Ep 318: Crawford vs Canelo Does Huge Business. Noche UFC Recap.

Episode 318: Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford does huge business. Noche UFC Recap.  Latest news. 










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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up everybody? Welcome back to MM After Hours. It's
Michael Carlisle alongside Micah Frankel.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Micah, how you doing man.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Man, I'm doing well. Feeling like featherweight is on fire
right now.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Terrence Crawford's on fire.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Featherweight's on fire, coming off of No Cha, coming off
a huge boxing event, and headed into a weekend.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
With absolutely nothing.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Does a fire count if no one sees it, it
still burns Because people it took them way too long
to notice that Terrence Crawford is a blaze. We're talking
like forty two to zher like you didn't know like more.
Part of the narrative that needs to be corrected from

(00:55):
this weekend is the weight jump they're talking about. Terrence
Crawford jumped up two weights to beat Canelo Alvarez.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
That's right, but that was one freaking fight.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
He was actually the longtime reigning one hundred and forty
pound world champion. Most of the career of Terrence Crawford.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Is at one forty.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
He jumped up four weight classes from where he had
implemented most of his career.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
That is even more astonishing.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
It is, and I know that was something we talked
about last week previewing the fight that all right, if
he goes to the judges, it's probably gonna swing Canelo's way.
But yeah, the weight difference in Crawford jumping up might
be too much. Canelo was gonna be the bigger guy, theoretically,
the stronger guy, and all that sounds good on paper

(01:46):
until you step in the ring and the bell ring
and the bell rings. But Canelo had no answers whatsoever
for Terrence Crawford.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
He dictated the pace, he did.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
What he wanted, and he kept Canelo on his heels
pretty much the entire fight.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
It felt like I can't remember the name of the cartoon,
but it felt like turns Coffer was mega mind, like
his brain was just so much bigger than Canelos. Because
I think it was a combination of different ideas, different
tools being able to implement them, and then that foot
speed en hand speed advantage really came into optimal play

(02:27):
from all of the techniques and strategies that Crawford was implementing.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
I know that they had the fight.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I think it was like four to two, four to two,
and seven to five on this judge's scorecards. I could
have seen a nine to three. I thought that for
many of the rounds. Once I went back and rewatched it,
that just the precision that Crawford was landing at and
the way that it seemed like he was pawing out

(02:55):
that job and saftly landing Canelo just to annoy him.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
I don't think I've ever seen Canelo that frustrated.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
So how do you think this happened?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
I don't think it's shocking that Crawford won, although Canelo
the favorite and understandably so. But did Canelo not take
it seriously? Did Crawford just have a flawless game plan
and Canelo didn't have an answer for it?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
What happened once the bell rang?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
That got us to the point where Crawford was able
to basically impose his will and Canelo never really got
off his heels.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Terence Crawford managed to be everything, the bigger man, the
faster man, the stronger man, the more imposing figure in there,
and he had an answer for every time Canelo tried
to cut off the ring. Canelo is usually able to
cut off the ring, land his big shots, even implement
his job to set you up, and Canelo from the

(03:54):
get go cannot implement his job, and every time he
would try to cut off the ring put Crawford in
the corner, he saw Crawford be able to shook him off,
throw him off. He was the bigger man, he was
the stronger man. And I think there's something to be
said about the desire. This was the fuck you to
the boxing establishment for all of the non respect that

(04:14):
Terrence Crawford got throughout the first forty fights of his career,
because or thirty nine fights of his career, because I
don't think he got critical acclaim until you were seeing
the Earl Spence Junior victory in a Cowboys stadium. So
I think this was the fuck you, and this was
his moment. I think there was just a lot more heart,
want and desire rather than a Canelo Alvarez who's getting

(04:38):
a nine figure payday. We've seen him kind of slowing
down anyway, and he knows if he wants to fight,
there's another nine figure payday on the horizon. So I
think there was a lot of determination and effort that
was different on the night.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I think you're right on all that.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
I also think, and I know Crawford talked about, hey,
I'm not taking this fight for the money.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I'm taking it for the legacy.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
But Canelo getting north of one hundred million for the
fight and Crawford getting ten million. I understand Canelo probably
deserved a little more, but that's a huge discrepancy despite
Crawford's desire to fight for legacy and not for money.
You know that had to bug the ever loving shit
out of him that there was that much of a

(05:21):
discrepancy in the pay, and I think that probably was
a bit of a motivating factor as well.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I think there's a lot that spurned him on, and
you saw all of that piss and vinegar come out
in a nearly disrespectful performance against Canelo, some of those
shots turning Canelo's chin from one direction all the way
across his body to his shoulder. There were several times
where you saw Canelo with his head down him almost
look away to his corner, almost in a way of confusion.

(05:50):
Where what can I do here? I don't know how
to solve this puzzle. Truly remarkable performance from Terrence Crawford.
And before you out ask me, uh Canel alverz is
fighting Jake Paul next and Terence Crawford, I have no
clue what he's doing, because David Benavitaz might be too

(06:11):
damn big to make one sixty eight again. So I'm
not sure what the name is that's gonna allure the
next biggest payday for Bud Crawford.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Oh, I think it almost has to be ben avidas
doesn't it?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
It does, but he's not making the weight. This is
a guy that years ago when he was committed to
the weight class, had major issues, and now for the
last two years he said never mind. Now, I know
you're gonna tell me that one hundred million dollars that
the Turkeyola cash at the we Odd Season Bank will
will make you reconsider that. All it's gonna do is
get us to the scale and see David Benavitez coming

(06:47):
at one seventy, and then we're gonna have a whole
storyline about him Kelvin gastling up a huge boxing event.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Well, that's not nice, Mike h I uh, I think
it's gonna be Benavidez.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
You're right, you got to figure out the wait. I
would be very surprised if it's not that.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I don't know that. Canelo goes immediately to.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Jake Paul, although that's always a possibility, I suppose. But
you look at this fight and Crawford really made a
statement here and I don't I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Man.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Again, I don't think it's shocking that he won, although
I picked Canelo and I believe you did as well,
but just the manner he did it, the overall dominance.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Look, the dude's gonna be full of confidence right now.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Hell maybe he's fine going up and wait again, now
that's gonna be a mistake at some point in time.
But if you're if you're concerned about Benavidez making weight,
maybe you're you're looking at a at another weight class.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
We'll see what happens on those ones. And I I
gotta give a shout out to the three people I'm
most proud of on the night, who had the best
performances of the night. The judges actually scored the fight
pretty close to reality. And it's not that I didn't
believe that Terence Crawford could out box or beat Canelo

(08:18):
Alvarez in a fight. I severely died of the thought
in Vegas that they're going to score that shit in
his favor. That surprised me most of all, not just
for what we saw, but even when we went to it,
the question was do.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
The judges agree with our own eyes?

Speaker 3 (08:33):
So hey, shout out to those guys for being in
reality for one night, and yeah, there's a whole world
of possibilities for both boxers. I'm not enough in the
boxing game to really give you a good identity, but
when there's no one in the division that's that herald
it yet.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Seventy thousand, four hundred and eighty two people in attendance
at Allegiance Stadium, the biggest boxing match in Las Vegas history,
forty one point four million worldwide watching on Netflix. This
was a huge ass efing event. And may as well

(09:10):
talk about this a little bit as well. TKO boxing
their first big event. They got off to a good start.
I'm not one hundred percent sure where they go from here,
but this was a massive success on all fronts for
everyone involved, even Canelo in defeat because he pocketed a
shit ton of money.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
But this whole event.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Was just a massive success, huge success, big boxing.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Parking back to the old days where ninety thousand people
were outdoors or one hundred thousand, where you see these
black and white photos of endlesses of humanity. HARKing back
to the days, I think I heard was it Frasier
All Lee on TV or Ali Lewis something like that
where they had like ninety million viewers because you only

(10:00):
had like four channels back at that time.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
So yeah, a huge commercial success, big boxing. It was
a huge night.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
I know that all the people in Vegas, they loved it,
at least the ones that showed up, because you said
it seventy thousand people and if you could believe this,
somehow they all got to their seats from arriving during
the comin event the most cavernous, most awkward prelimps.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
I have ever seen.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
It looked like you.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Were watching a WrestleMania rehearsal.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
It was so empty in there for everything until you
got to Netflix and then it finally kind of started
to fill in a bit a endlessly long night that
I can honestly tell you, I did not make it
to the.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
End of.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
How did you not make it to the end.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Because I was asleep and I rewatched that shit yesterday.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Ah my goodness. That's that's that's that's that's unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Look, the this is something that boxing deals with, especially
in Vegas, in UFC for that matter in Vegas. But yeah,
it's going to be a late arriving crowd. There aren't
gonna be a ton of people there for the prelims.
It was further highlighted being an Allegiance stadium that a
lot of people were taking their time to get in.

(11:27):
But doesn't matter that from from the standpoint of success
and selling the tickets. The tickets were bought and paid for,
so from that standpoint when they came in was a
little irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
But I hear you early on.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
You're like, damn, where's everybody at where's everybody.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
At this place is? But yeah, I mean it is what.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
It is, endlessly awkward of an optic and, like I said,
an endlessly long night that I tapped out on when
the pay per view starts or the Netflix special starts
at seven. I also think that there was a slight expectation,
as you said, TKO boxing, at least from us crossing

(12:10):
over to the MMA side, because we've been pulled over
from TKO and this is a Dana White Zoo for production.
I think we expected some more staffy, snappy pacing, and
I've heard rumors that there could be some other financial
influencers who slowed things down to what we have seen
is these traditionally long ass paced read season events.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
And what would you be referring to.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
That real season?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Authorities wanted multiple celebrities on camera, they wanted extra spots
that they okayed more musical performances than the production had
and originally anticipated in that elongated the show thirty minutes,
forty minutes, maybe possibly even an hour from the original strip.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Gotcha, gotcha, We don't have to move away from Crawford
Canelo per se.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
But I'm curious your thoughts on was the biggest.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Winner of the night in the eyes of TKO actually
Callum wash Walsh, because that seems to be Dana's guy,
and that seems to be who they want to build
TKO Boxing around. If he goes out and loses to
Fernando Vargas Junior, that puts a huge monkey wrench in
the plans.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Look, yes, the draw obviously was Crawford and Canelo, There's
no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
But if Callum Walsh is the future, he needed to
go out and deliver and he was able to do that.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
First biggest winner Terence Crawford, Second biggest winner Canelo third
biggest winner TKO Boxing, fourth biggest winner Turkey all the cash.
I don't even know if I can get Colin wash
on the first hand, because he didn't get a undermatched
shouldn't have been there in the moment, Fernando Vargas Junior
out of the ring, and I've seen quite a bit

(14:02):
of displeasure online with his performance, just feeling that we
understand you're trying to build around Color Walsh, but quite
possibly this wasn't the right Comaine event for such an
esteemed event because they felt that both guys didn't have
the performance. I haven't really went back through the Walsh
fight to dissect it that much. We know him, We've

(14:25):
seen him around the UFC stuff. We know that he
is a presence and a Dana White guy. He does
keep moving forward. I think he needed a knockout to
get on the right side of people because they felt
that this was such a good matchup for him to
be able to display his skills versus yes, someone that

(14:47):
has a bigger record but isn't as well polished.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Look I could get on board with name recognition wise,
this seemed like an underwhelming comain.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I got you on that, but.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
There aren't gonna be, but so many of these money
fights that TKO is gonna get involved with, and Walsh
is obviously Dana's guy, and that's who they want to
build this around.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
So I felt like he needed to do. He did
what he needed to do.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
If you want to tell me it was a little
underwhelming because people are expecting a knockout, I can get that,
but I thought he did what he needed to. Now,
I felt like the fight was a little bit closer
than the scorecards might indicate. You just if you didn't
watch the fight and you just look at the scorecards,
you just assume, well, Walsh just dominated and it was
kind of a snoozer. I did think it was a

(15:39):
little more competitive, and maybe that was one of the
things actually that people were not happy with because they
wanted Walsh to just walk through Fernando Vartis Junior and
make a huge statement, and maybe that didn't happen, but
he went out and got the win and continues his climb.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
You're right, that's it.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
I really don't have anything on a fight that that
I didn't take that much interest into because I expected
Wash to win, but I expected him to be more dominant.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
He was not. He is a Dana White guy. He
will keep moving forward.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
He got the win, as you said, but he needed
to be impressive to be in the co main event
for being the TKO guy. Say they're doing a smaller
fight night, he's on the marquee this time. It did
nothing to impress upon as a consumer, to make me
more encouraged about his career.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Let's see, it did me because he went out and
got the win. And the only reason I'm focusing on
him is, look, you aren't going to have a ton
more of these huge ass fights. Walsh is going to
be the guy that TKO builds around. You needed him
to go out and at least get the win. Would

(16:55):
you have liked it to have been more convincing. Would
you have liked to have seen a knockout? Of course,
but him losing throws a huge monkey wrench into the plans,
So you kind of.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
You got around that hurdle.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
All the TKO events ain't gonna be in domes, They're
gonna be in arenas, and you're more what you're more
accustomed to seventeen eighteen, nineteen, twenty one thousand people whatever,
and Walsh is the guy that That's the only reason
I focus on him at all, because to the point,
I think you were trying to make it a nice
way a little earlier in the grand scheme of things,

(17:30):
this wasn't that significant of a fight for this card.
It was really about Canelo and Crawford and then there
was everything else. But I'm just looking at it from
a long term TKO perspective. Colin wash is your guy.
You couldn't have him fuck this up and go out
and lose, And at least he went out and got
the win.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
I hear what you're saying from that, but he far
went under the bar of anything you were expecting for
him to build this brand, to be that face, to
do anything. Most of these bouts were of non consequence,
which is almost sad for the magnitude of the main event.
And also to go on from that, it's if you

(18:12):
were saying we're not getting bigger fights, then the rest
of this was an infomercial for this is what TKO
kind of prospects will be presenting us. It did nothing
to change my totem poll of combat sports, where I
would rather talk about CGI, all of the regional MMA
promotions and all of the bare Knuckle Promotions before we

(18:33):
ever get to boxing.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I hear you on that, and look, I don't disagree.
I think.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
I wasn't sure we were going to go down this road,
and we don't have to go far down it if
you don't want. But yeah, I do think boxing is
in trouble.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
But just based on everything we've.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Heard from from the announcement of TKO Boxing and pay
strategies and things like that, Yeah, look, you have an opportunity,
especially if you're bringing in an outside partner to work with,
to put on mega fights, but there are only so
many mega fights left out there. That's not going to
be your bread and butter until you build up a

(19:17):
wallsh or whomever. So those fights on the undercar probably
were important. But I do agree with you, not just
the late arriving crowd. I don't think that many people
watching at home paid that much attention too much of
the undercard until you got close to the main event,

(19:38):
So that is an uphill battle. But I think TKO
is going to be in it for the long haul,
one way or the other, and they're prepared for that.
But look again, that was the only reason I brought
up a wa wash in the grand scheme of things
on this card. Not really a significant presence one way
or the other. But neither was anybody else not named

(19:59):
Terrence Crawl Canelo Alvarez.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
This was a huge fight. This was a fight that
had been talked about for like a year and a half.
It had built up. These were all two. These were
two all time generational greats for a long time, and
it does nothing to change my stance on boxing moving
forward that it's not in a good place. Every so often,
they could come up with a one off spectacle, but

(20:26):
just like Tyson Paul did massive numbers, no one cared
about the Jake Paul doubleheader a couple of weeks ago
in Florida. A non monumental name still doesn't generate a
huge interest from combat sports fans about boxing. So I

(20:47):
it was a great one night super Bowl, but no
one cares about their regular season.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Damn it.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
You cut me off before I could even make the
point I was gonna make, because you're one hundred percent right,
I was going to bring up. Look, forty one point
four million people around the world tuned in to watch
Boxing Ain't Dead. Total viewership live thirty six point six million,
the peak audience twenty four million for big fights. People

(21:17):
will tune in to your point, and you are one
hundred dead.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
On the big fights.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Ain't the issue. There's a reason we don't have top
rank boxing on ESPN anymore. There's a reason HBO and
Showtime got out of the boxing business weekend, week out,
month in, month out. It's a hard sell and it's
not getting any easier. And maybe at some point it

(21:44):
levels off a little bit, but I don't know that
it starts to get easier again.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Maybe you can kind of stop the bleeding.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
But yeah, it's not the big fights, it's everything else
that's a hard sell.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
No, totally, that's the problem, and I don't know how
we're remedying that will be the TKO challenge to make
boxing as relevant as the UFC is where they have
that continual familase where we're getting ten to fifteen thousand
people every time we hit the road. You're not doing
that in boxing, but you're doing that when you go

(22:18):
to UFC.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
No cha, right, And look even viewership and people can
whine and complain all they want about fight nights at
the APEX.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
People still tune in and watch them.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Now, Look, not the same level as a pay per
view event, obviously, but they still tune in.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Those numbers are fairly on par with on the road
fight nights.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
So yeah, to that point, people tune into to UFC
whether it's a fight night, whether it's a pay per view,
whether it's a mega pay per view or whatever, boxing
if it's not a Paul Brother or a huge mega matchups.
It's the old adage, if a tree falls in the
woods and nobody's around, does it make it Does it

(22:59):
make it sound?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
You know?

Speaker 1 (23:02):
And that's tough, and that's not something you're gonna change overnight,
and I'm not sure you can change it ever.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Carlisle has kept the conversation on boxing for a long time.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Right now, I don't I don't know how to go.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
What was bigger this past weekend than the boxing? Micah,
don't tell me no Cha? And look, no Cha was
a fantastic event, and if I'm being honest, I enjoyed
it a whole lot more because that's more my thing.
But I mean, goddamn, you got forty one million people watching.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
It was kind of a big deal. I get it.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
The one fight was the big deal and fight and
we covered the greatness of that one fighter that one
and the unapplicable no damage to the armor of the
other fighter that lost. I don't have much else to
go from because this is MMA after hours. Uh Cagemis
dot com has wrote about a lot of stuff this week,
and we didn't write about the boxing event that well,

(24:02):
mostly because we don't cover a lot of big boxing events.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
I help out the local So then.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know what fuck it? Tell me all about BKFC
that no fucking body watched.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Well, BKFC. Okay, so we had BKFC eighty back in Florida.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
Nobody.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I really didn't expect you to just jump in like that.
I was trying to make a point there and I hear.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Real quick.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
I think that they had a sold out hard rock
so we probably had or seminal hard rock. So you
do get five thousand people. And the really funny part is,
and I know it doesn't matter, but when the prelim started,
there were probably more fucking people there than there weren't allegiance.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
I know this is not a chance, not a chance
at hell.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Know, there were like ten fucking people are you counting staff?
I'm like, I'm sure with staff it was.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
A seventy thousand no.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
No, look, look, you're not wrong about the sparse crowd
at the beginning, but it's a seventy thousand seither.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Look, Okay, Friday night, I was at a I was
at the Rose Bowl for a football game.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Thirty one thousand people there, and I felt like I
could have sat there and counted every one of them
because it looked so sparse in such a huge stadium.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
There were considerably more.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Than five thousand people at the beginning of the prelimbs
for boxing, it just looked sparse as shit because you're
an Allegiance stadium.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Okay, maybe it felt like there were like one person
every section there were.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
There was a few fights where it looked.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Embarrassing, But either way, BKFC still sold out in Florida.
I'm not sure viewership on their app because they keep
those private like a bunch of other apps keep their
viewership private until they announced it, like you know, the
ESPN side of stuff. But we did have a great
crowd there in Florida once again for Bare Knuckle. Leonardo

(25:56):
Perdomo Big jab drops are Adams right away. Adams wants
to get back the revenge, huge knockdown again, a left
hook to the right eye. Down goes Adams. Perdomo not
over celebrating, composed this time so the ref can do
his tenk count. Adams in more pain than anyone was

(26:20):
the entire night of boxing. And that is serious because
that sport locks violence, cut man not needed. The smashing
left hook destroys the orbital bone of Arnold Adams, and
it looks like at this point Leonardo Perdomo undeniably the
number one contender in the heavyweight division. I know that

(26:41):
Big Ben Rothwell had been matched up with a super
heavyweight powerlifter in Australia. He had been trying to also
deal with Oh, possibly Andre Rlofsky. There's quite a few
things from the heavyweight division and BKFC going on, and

(27:03):
now we have a undeniable number one contender in Leonardo Perdomo.
Nine knockouts, nine first round finishes. We also have a
six and oh winner and Edgar Polazola BKFC. Surprising once again,
it looked like Gary Fox, who was there at the

(27:25):
Champions Summit, was having face offs and stadowns with Kay Stewart.
He was going to be a line to take on
Kai and that did not come to fruition and said
he has to take on Edgar Palazola. Palazola un harolded
but unbeaten. Now six and oh, I guess we got
to take notice. I've been taking notice the whole time.

(27:48):
Big right hands, He's able to crack Fox several times,
a knockdown in the third. By the end of the
fourth round, Fox's right eye is wearing a ton of damage.
A huge performance from Palazola. This should give him the
opportunity to take on Kai Stewart, number one contender in

(28:09):
the featherweight division. I think that Kai Stewart has been
trying to go up to lightweight. He's been looking for
a big opportunity. But as the defending champion, you should
have to take on the number one contender, especially if
the belt is just being stagnant at the point. So
it looks like on the night Leonardo Perdomo should be
next for Big Ben Roeth, well, Kai Stewart should be next,

(28:31):
or should get Edgar Palazola next. So the heavyweight title,
the featherweight title, we know the direction for both of
them to go in. And then we also on the
card got the BKFC debut of Joel Romero. He had
to be admonished in the first round for superman punches.
Those are illegal in BKFC. This is a boxing bag sport.

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No spinning stuff is allowed. You're not allowed to jump
like that. This isn't dirty boxing where those kind oftics
are allowed. And Romero, he is able to compose himself,
put it together, gets a jab knockdown first and then
two uppercut knockdowns to get the finish in the first round.
It was a heavyweight debut, and I know a guy

(29:15):
that you're a huge fan of, Joel Romero. He announced
after the fight going down to two hundred and five
pounds to the cruiserweight division. So with that announcement, I
wouldn't be surprised with the kind of tenure that we've
seen from BKFC. Heck, they were giving Andre Rolovski a
face off for his first victory with a world champion.

(29:36):
You've have Alexio Sakara versus Chris Camosi now met up
set for Rome Italy. I would expect that Yuel Romero
dropping down to two oh five, he's gonna do that
in a heavyweight setting, immediately getting the winner of the
Rome fight between Sakara and Camosi, because BKFC looks to

(29:57):
be trying to squeeze whatever reduce out of that relevancy
from these former MMA names.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
That they have on top Immediately, Wow, you.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Know I love you, michaeh Right, Yeah, what's up? What
in the actual fuck are we doing right now? You
just shit all over.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Me because I wanted to talk about the biggest combat
sport event of the year that happened this past weekend,
and you rushed me through that so we could talk
about what's next for Ben Rothwell and how the fuck
Andre Arloski fits into the picture, and the BKFC debut
of Joel Romero. What are we and not shitting on

(30:37):
those guys, although I guess I am, But what are
we actually doing?

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Right?

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I was gonna bring this all back around to MMA,
That's where we were gonna go next.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
But and I get it, boxing yours, and if I'm.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Being completely honest, boxing really ain't my thing anymore either,
But you can't ignore how big of an event it
was and give it its flowers.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Instead, we just rushed through.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
To find out who the fuck Ben Rothwell's ducking and
who he's not, and if Andre Olaski can figure out
his way to squeeze into the title picture and Joel
Romero Superman punching people illegally in BKFC and announcing he's
gonna move down, I'm at a loss.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Right now, Mike, I truly am.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
We spent twenty minutes on the boxing match.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
I spent longer than that thinking if I was gonna
even watch it, And really the entire fucking notes I
sent you was the scorecard and the the.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Amount of viewership.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
I literally thought we were gonna take five minutes to
talk about a sport that we never acknowledge.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Well, much like boxing fans, we acknowledged the big stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Now, look, you're right, we don't.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
We didn't spend a lot of time breaking down Jake
Paul and Mike Tyson.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
How much we spend on this fight last week.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Ah, probably five minutes.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
That's why twenty minutes in I was surprised we were
still talking about the outcome from it, Cuz I literally
had no notes that I sent you about it.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
That's why I was surprised.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
So when you said BKFC, I was like, shit, I
should just walk through this damn door.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Fine, tell me what happened on LFA this past week,
bikah Oh.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Gable Steven Steveson just absolutely wrecks a chap. He grabs
a single leg, puts Brendan Peterson on his back, and
then was able to announce to mount easily start the
ground and pound. Felt so comfortable. I've never seen this.
The dude stood up from mount and just stood over
his opponent started ground and pound him. Eventually, the fight

(32:40):
is just called as good as it could be for
Gable felt it out on the feet for about ten
to fifteen seconds. I don't even know if he officially
threw a strike before grabbing the single leg.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
That's one to know.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
That's some Olympic pedigree wrestling on display. A great first
step in mixed martial arts for him, one that I
really hope that we slow roll quite a bit, because.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Then again, I don't know if we need.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
A slow roll at Actually, this is a guy that
signed a big contract with WWE signed a big contract,
or at least a contract.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
With the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I think Gable Steveson is in for making money, so
I would almost want them to slow roll his career
to the UFC. But I don't know if he's going
to be in for that or if he's going to
be looking for a big money opportunity immediately.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
He's going to fight at the White House.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
If nothing adversely happens in his career between now and then,
he will be on the UFC roster by June of
next year and we'll be fighting at the White House.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
That still gives us nine months.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
We could still possibly get him three fights that did
not take but a minute. And I just like to
see some seasoning on Gable before there's someone that all
of a sudden stuff's to take down. He's forced to
stand and he looks like a deer in the headlights.
I just would like to see the maximum amount of
ability for him to succeed. And I feel like a
little bit of seasoning would definitely help that chicken.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Cook.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Mikah, you got some fight announcements for.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Us, A gut runching fight adjustment to start off with
Anthony Fluffy Hernandez all of a sudden injured, Well not
all of a sudden, guys, come on, he was just
in a fight. He is, though injured and out, say
Ranier dere Ruler will now be taking on Brendan Allen
in the main event of UFC Vancouver on October eighteenth.

(34:32):
Jose Delgado Nathaniel Wood added to UFC three twenty one
October twenty fifth by Sangar Sir Sirkaia versus Eric mcconico
Junior Sir Sakaia of getting that Chev treatment. With this
accelerated start to his UFC career, second fight already booked.

(34:52):
Most of the dudes on the Contender series are still
trying to heal up. Angela Hill, Fatima Klein, and Gerald
Mershar versus Kyle Dakas all three of those fights UFC
three twenty two October fifteenth, Sergei Spivac Samiel Gaziev addition
to the UFC Quitar card on October twenty second, Macy

(35:16):
Barber is back. She'll be taking on Kaarne Silva UFC
three twenty three on December sixth. Back to that first
one For Carlisle's reaction, though, Anthony Hernandez out RDR Allen,
did you Mavov just become the number one contender only
worrying about Sean Strickland.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Possibly.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Uh, It's a bummer for sure, great opportunity for.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
For Allen, I suppose, but yeah, it's it's it's unfortunate.
It's a bummer.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
It's a bummer. I think we now lock in Chi
mayef I Mavov unless unless you're really gonna go Strickland
she Mayev at the White House. That's the only other option.
But that was the biggest fight announcement to jump out unfortunately.
Now this is interesting for Alan. He likes to grapple.
He probably should stay away from that. With RDR, he

(36:11):
might be the bigger puncher, but RDR is going to
come in reckless and cause that clinch. So all bets
are off when they do clinch up for sure.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
All right, Micah, This past Saturday, we had not cha
UFC in San Antonio, your main event. The featherweight's going
at it. Diego Lopez a statement win against Geene Silva.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Holy shit, that was a wild ass fight. They are
exchanging calf kicks. There's a slow feeling out tempo where
it explodes into Silva starting to the land strikes. He
over exposes his back and that's the first sign of
his unpredictability and possibly too big of a tool bag.

(36:55):
Headed into a cage. Is that a possibility you can
answer me that in a while. The takedown leads to
obviously showing, and we know that Kyle Biholo came in
to the UFC as a grappling expert. We saw him
taking many a guy's back his jiu jitsu. The rest
of the fighting nerds apparently do not have that same pedigree,

(37:16):
and once again the grappling becomes a problem for Gene Silva,
who miraculously survived but got hacked up with elbows a
ton in that first round back on the feet, where
once again kind of even we get into the second round,
Silva's starting to have his success being the better striker.
Oh my gosh, Diego Silva also on the list in

(37:37):
the conversation greatest chin in MMA history. He ate some
whoppers on the night and still kept going. That spinning
and overexposing cost Silva again a takedown, but this time
he's able to get back up. The over aggression costs
him majorly, running into a spinning back elbow that at
one point I wanted to say.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Did Lopez fight well?

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Was that a lucky show?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Apparently it was scouted out and practiced on there's photos
from the back. He expected that aggression to leave Silva
wide open. The Fighting Nerds are crashing down. There's so
many things to hit on. Where did you want to start?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Hell, let's start with the Fighting Nerds crashing down. I
want to tell you how wrong you are on that,
but unfortunately I don't have anything to back up my
argument that you're wrong on that. You have to go
to recent success or lack thereof, and the last few
fights it hasn't been there.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I don't think it's all doom and bloom for the team.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I don't think they're over and done with, but they're
highs and lows in this game, and at the very least,
Fighting Nerds are in a low spot right now.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
They're in a low spot. They've been exposed. The grappling
is a major issue and they have to find a
way to remedy that. From their backs. Both Silva and
Hoofy looked incredibly vulnerable and quite just frantic, like they
hadn't been in the positions before. That is some big
holes exposed in their games at the elite level.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
And for Gene.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Silva, there's also this thought that is he too emotional?
Is there too many tools in the bag, because he
looked like a guy. And I've seen many people saying
this out there, and I gotta agree. Was he just
possibly button mashing? Just a button mashing twelve year old
out there? I have all these tools, all these things
I can do, and he's so many ideas and so

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care free that if he really just honed in and
was using the basics, that fight probably lasts a lot
longer if he's not making such big mistakes.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
You know, you live by the sword, you die by
the sword.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
One of the things that's made Silva so good is
that recklessness, that unpredictability. He won't be the first fighter,
but it might also be his downfall, the thing that
keeps him achieving, from achieving everything that he can.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
It's a delicate balance, unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
And.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Again I really want to tell you you're wrong, Micah,
but I can't.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Is there is there too much.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Already drama emotion, as we say, just in that entrance,
coming out, everything with his with his coaches, with his wife,
the emotion, the build up to the walk. Is there
too much of a created persona that we think created
pressure because it seemed like that's what it was. All
of a sudden, some voice created pressure in his own

(40:45):
mentality that said, I've got to become aggressive right now.
I think we credit a lot of that to Lopez's
chin being able to wear those shots, causing Silva to
want to become so reckless and aggressive at that moment.
But I feel like there's a lot more we can
just diy steck from. Is that emotion is it something
you can harness in the right way or do you

(41:07):
think it has became almost a pressure and a reaction. Oh?

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I think you can definitely harness it in the right way.
Has it become an issue again? And I think we
kind of touched on this last week. Was this going
to be an issue? And I kind of brushed it off.
I still want to brush it off, but I again
I can't because until we see his next fight and

(41:34):
him do a better job with that, you kind of
have to go on the assumption of, yeah, that's there's
something to that, and again, it's all correctable. You can
harness it and use it to your advantage. But I
don't think you did that on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Huge issues in the spinning attacks going to the well
too often, and it felt like there was a redus
determination to land that spinning back inverted elbow kind of deal,
and that visualization might have also been a detriment to him,
where I'm thinking Silva saw at some point this was
going to be open, this is how I'm finishing the fight,

(42:15):
and he went to that well to get that water
so many times.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
I think that plays against him.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Now, on the other side, did we learn anything new
about Diego Lopez?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I think we learned he's pretty damn good.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I think we also learned he is right back in
the conversation for a title shot against Volkanovski now, and
I know this is something you want to get to
and we can.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
That's also a crowded field.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
But volk himself even acknowledged you got to put Lopez
right back in there now based off that win. Look,
he went out and did exactly what he needed to do.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
He gets the when he gets it in spectacular fashion.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Now again, if you want to tell me Silva was reckless,
there were things going on and he didn't fight smartly
and that cost him all. Right, maybe, but I don't
think you can deny Lopez's performance. He went out and
like I said, he did exactly what he needed to do,
and he made a statement.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
It was good and bad because the amount of abuse,
the amount of shots that diego Lopez ate. I still
feel that the vulnerabilities in his defense are very present,
and that is still concerning well.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Much like your concerns about the mental focus and all
that other stuff with Silva, I have that with Lopez
with the eating punches and damage. But that's something we've
seen him do before. He's for better or for worse,
He's comfortable doing that.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Will that bite him at times?

Speaker 1 (43:57):
It absolutely well, it bites almost every single fighter that
adopts that mindset.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Like my point is, I don't know how much.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Of that was Silva just making it happen or Lopez allowing.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
It to happen, If that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
I feel like I learned.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Also, Lopez got to give him more credit for the
fight IQ and game planning aspect, if you weren't giving
him credit for that.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
But where I kind of again see a negative.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Do you see this fight indicating that a second Volkanovski
fight would be any difference if Volkanovski because age and
slowing down is always a possibility on that side of
thirty five, if Vulcan is still the same guy they
first meet. I don't think this changes the equation at
all these adjustments that we saw out of Diego.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
It might change it a little. Does it change it
enough to change.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
The outcome from the first one, which I think is
your point? It may not, but I think Lopez continues
to evolve.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
I think he learned from that loss. I think he
learned from this win. Is it enough? Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
I'm totally on board to make a solid argument that
Lopez should be next again, whether it's Murphy, whether it's
evulov Hell, whether it's Aldremaine Sterling. There are a lot
of guys there clamoring to be next for vulcan Certainly,
I think the win gets Lopez in that conversation.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Is it enough?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
I don't know, And I think I'd kind of like
to see him fight at least one more before we
really have that conversation.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Laying out the featherweight division.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
At least in my opinion right now, from everything we've seen,
I think that vulcan Ovski Lron Murphy is the next
title fight.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Do you agree? Probably?

Speaker 3 (45:57):
I think that's the next title I wo'd be interesting
to see if that's December. Rumors maybe maybe rumors Vegas, December.
That's a possibility. After that, I had different thoughts on
this one. Okay, the Lopez Yair Rodriguez has a storytelling
aspect to it, has some legs to it. There's a
conversation if al Jermaine Sterling close lost to Movsar two

(46:22):
wins in the division, got a raw deal against O'Malley
past a chord like that, thinking he's a former champion
selling a pay per view, Maybe that matters. Maybe Lopez
takes on Sterling. I think all that gives away to
we run back the rematch from his debut, and now
we face and we make Moltsar Evlov take on Diego

(46:45):
Lopez on a full camp and that is the de
facto number one contender fight where Yair Rodriguez, because he's
waited so long, ends up having a fight Al Jermaine Sterling.
At least I believe that's how all the those names
in that top six kind of play out. And then
Arnold Allen is probably looking at a Steve Garcia coming

(47:07):
out out for him.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah and yeah, hear might be more closer to that
Arnold Allen position than he is a Lopezevulov position.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
If you take the Lopez fight when you have the drama.
We're probably looking at this differently, but yeah, I think
you're right. Murphy probably next for volk.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Lopez, ev Youlov your winner gets next. I wouldn't totally
count Sterling out, but I think Ev, you Love Lopez,
Murphy are all a little more compelling against Volkanovski right
now than al Joe is.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
So I could see al Jo getting the odd man
out of the title eliminator, like we said Rodriguez. Yeah,
and then that leaves Brendan Allen as the real od
man out. We know that Josh emmtt is having to
take on Yusaf as the law. That's why I wonder
if the surging name Steve Garcia comes into play and
we start to get some fresh blood trying to force
their way into the championship conversation at one forty five.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah, it's certainly possible.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Co main event, David Martinez gets the unanimous decision against
Rob Font.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Well, holy shit, who saw that the opposite stances would
just eliminate the best weapon from Rob Font? He was
no longer able to job.

Speaker 4 (48:32):
How do you solve the job?

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Let's go offsite stances where a jab is rendered ineffective.
Now accordingly as a boxer, Font did change it up
to the right hand, but it looked like the dynamic
speed of David Martinez, his willingness to just unleash kicks
without any kind of thought of consequence. This is a

(48:55):
kid who has never touched the stove. He has seen
the fire, he has obviously been in there with all
the kickbox experience in Cambate, America experience he has. But
you know what, you don't realize the knife is sharp
until that shit cuts you. And this is a young
man who has never been cut because he just went
in there recklessly, fearlessly attacking a top ten guy in
the world, like he didn't understand the size of the arena,

(49:18):
the size of the moment, or maybe it's just this
unbreakable nerves of someone that already, as we understand it,
is a doctor in his real life. David Martinez put
together a special performance. Rob fought back well and with
the fight in the balance in the third round, Martinez
was the one. Okay, I played my speed game, I
hit you a lot. Now, fuck it, I'm gonna show

(49:39):
you on the more powerful striker that one. Definitely I
did not see coming and he was knocking Rob Faut
around towards the end of the fight. Holy shit, seize
the moment, take opportunity when it's there, David Martinez, that's
a breakout fucking performance. It was no.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
He did what he needed to do and I felt
like he made a state and at the end of
that fight.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Holy shit.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
And to upset the apple cart in such a way.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
We thought that Raoul Rosas Junior was going to be
the next upstart. Now David Martinez jumps in, takes his
spot in the rankings, and what is going to be
too much? I would have said this was going to
be too much? What is going to be too much
then for the next book? And where should they send
David Martinez. That's going to be an interesting question because

(50:28):
I think he's right in the mix. I didn't look
at the rankings, which I'm ashamed him. He's eleven right now.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
Yep, Oh, let's go.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
This is going to get interesting really quickly for David Martinez.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Maybe they do pump the brakes.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Maybe you give him six eight months, really let him
try to acclimate some new skills before you push this.
But in the UFC, we'll see him back in there
in four months.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Uh probably probably.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
But yeah, he debuts in the rankings at eleven, but
big jump for him.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Garcia and Gordon. Garcia gets to win.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Should you fight the day after being involved in a
car accident, Micah.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
I would say no.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
If I was a manager, if I was a coach,
I would tell the athlete no. But I'm not allowed
to make these decisions for certain reasons. Obviously because my
favorite word has only two letters in it, and most
companies like the three letter words.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
So I would say no.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
All in all, though, let's take our hat off for
an absolute warrior Jared Gordon, who came out there, swung hard,
put together some great combinations. He was right in the
fight till that lack of movement really took a toll
on him. You could see he just wasn't himself and
a big shot landed. I think that the takedowns were

(51:48):
easier for Garcia to point because of the knee injury.
I think the knee injury limited Gordon from being able
to push. But it's still a victory for Garcia. He
still moves forward the boxing and the defense still looked
the best it ever had from Rotha Garcia, So I
don't want to want to overlook where we saw many
major improvements from a guy that outright I thought just

(52:09):
had a lot of grappling skills. The striking under cup
Swanson is really coming together. But you can't say this
fight wouldn't have been different if Gordon wasn't injured.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
But we can't play that game.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
Gordon unfortunately takes a step back, probably not too more
far of a step back because of the injury, but
a huge step forward for Garcia it is.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
And look, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
You don't want to take anything away from Garcia, but
my man got hit by a car.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Out of place.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
You're right, that's ultimately on him. Though, Look I get it.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
You're not going to back out of a fight like
in that situation. If there's any way you can go.
He should have withdrawn, he should not have fault. But
such a life, he goes out and.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Gives it his best. So yes, sir, well real quick.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
I wanted to give a congratulatory to Alex Hernandez four
fight win streak he gets the second or it's the
second round knockout of Diego Fajeta. I wanted to get
to that one before we start getting into people that
we got a shit on. I wanted to be like
nice to one more person because I feel like the
conversation after this ain't gonna be so nice to a

(53:20):
couple people. So I just wanted to get the greatness
of Alexander Hernandez, who probably deserves an opportunity at somebody
at the bottom of.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
The top fifteen.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Now after you know, two knockout victories in two months
and four wins in a row, now we can get
to where I think you.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Were gonna go.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
All right, impressive win for Hernandez. Yes, where I wanted
to go next. If I asked you a minute ago
if one should fight the day after being hit by
a car, then I have to ask you, should one
be allowed to fight if they have problems pushing themselves
away from the dinner table, to walk on the fucking
scales to weigh in? And yes, I'm talking about you,

(53:56):
Kelvin Gastolen.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Do you know how I thirty five percent is hard
to turn down, But if I'm in the dustin Stutfold's corner.
Most people were very adamant as.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
I was last week about how.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
The strengths and weaknesses of this matchup aligned to be
in the favor of Calvin gastolom There was a reason
why he was a betting favorite. I'm not saying you
chicken out, but I don't know if I would have
told my athlete to take this fight with a thirteen
pound weight miss with one hundred and ninety nine pound opponent,

(54:32):
I kind of fault the stole foods corner, but they
did get thirty five percent Gasolum. I took the fight
on four weeks. Notice, well, how big were you? You're
originally a welterweight, You're.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Now up a middleweight.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
You knew coming in missing by thirteen pounds is appalling.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
You had four weeks. If if you know you can't
make the weight, don't take the fight.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
If you take it out on a week's note and
gave it all he had to try to cut the weight,
that's understandable.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
You had a month, you had it seems like kind
of requisite time. I'm sorry, you knew, you knew where
you needed to be. You could do the calculation right
there if I can or can't make it. And this
is somebody do we fall in the UFC? This is
somebody with weight issues, and you call the amount a
month's notice. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice,

(55:27):
shame on you. You can't be fool three times.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
And this is by time.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
So how are you going to call on Calvin Gasselam
on a month's notice and enable him for the opportunity
to go with the five.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
P cause you assume it's a month and he can
make weight. I would be getting you asked the question
a second.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
I'd be curious at what he was walking around at
when he got the call, because I mean he was
he was what five pounds over?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I nowhere close? Thirteen thirteen thirteen? I'm sorry? Where f
I from?

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Even though where sounds close? Right? Nowhere close? Yeah, that's that's.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
That's rough man, that's yeah, I there's I don't give
a shit how much notice you had.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
That's unacceptable, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Calvin Gaslom Hopefully he can get it together. I'm assuming
with the fifth time the UFC is not gonna release him.
But uh, that that's unfortunate, and maybe I'm getting wrong.
He either weighed one ninety one or one ninety nine,
so it was it was five it was one ninety one, Okay, Yeah,
somewhere I saw it, said one nine.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
That's where I was getting thirteen from sure dog says
it was five.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Okay, we'll go with five either way. Five pounds is
still a lot. And still at some point during the
week you knew you weren't making.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
That weight exactly right, don't torture yourself. Go to the
UFC then.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
And say, look, I can't make this. I'd like to
still fight. I'd want to screw dusting over. Can we
talk about a catch weight or something? You know, which
is ultimately what they did anyway, But you go through
the motor.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I don't know, and then that's rough.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
And then, as I predicted, Kelvin Gastolm's faster hands and
smoother boxing got the decision win. And I don't know
if any of us felt good about it, but he
got the win.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I don't think anybody felt good about it other than Gastolm,
I guess, and I don't know that he felt good
about it.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
You probably didn't because you got to figure you lost
money on this campaign. Everybody, the agents, all the money
that you just lost, the stole foods. Yeah, you didn't
make a damn dying probably on this fight the only
one that probably did Fielwers was Saji Kris Dumas.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
If you're UFC, do you make the decision for Gastolon Hey,
if you want to keep fighting, we'll book you, but
it ain't gonna be at middle eight.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
You just tell him straight up, bro, we're booking you
at heavyweight. Well maybe, or do you feel like you're
sick sick in englely enabling someone at that point, because
if you tell me he's over two hundred and ten
pounds or two hundred and fifteen pounds at some points
in camp, I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
I wouldn't be surprised that's possible.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Uh No, I don't know that you're enabling him.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Well, I would be very concerned about booking him in
anything that resembled a prominent spot on a card at middleweight.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
So I don't. I don't know how you allow him
to fight it in that weight class. Again, I just don't.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Two in a row, Brian Battle was gone. This is
five overall for Calvin Gastolm. Something has to change. It's
unfortunate not want to spend a whole lot of time
on it. First fight that opened up the card, Joaquin
Silva Claudio police A split decision. I think they got
it right. I thought that Silva lended the harder shots

(59:11):
pulled away at the end. Did you have any dispute
with the split?

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Nah, it was fine.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
It was fine. Shout out to Jesus Aguilar.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
That was a nice performance in getting the win over
Luis Goodlat. I thought that one was highly entertaining, as
I expected it between two guys that stood on the
stood on the feet, traded it out. Shout out to
Alden Corea because that was a big victory the third round.
TKO announce yourself coming into the UFC, say thing for
Donn and Chenko winning that tough contract, big knockout victory,

(59:45):
crushing blows Tatiana Suarez.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
This isn't good for the women's strawweight division and and
it's a bounce back when but I don't know if
I'm compelled to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Really say this is this is reaching the level of
expectation that we saw many improvements off of the title fight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
The strawweight division is very balanced.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
There's a lot of fighters that are very close in
skill set. Any given night, anyone can beat any Did
I did I do a good enough job?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Not shitting on it?

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
There's parody.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yes, there's parody. Micah, there you go, there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
You go, There is parody in the women's strawweight division.
And uh, do you have anything to say about Dumas
and the incredibly hard low blow in the audio that
now comes out that says, I don't think I can
feel my right testicle. Ouch, reminds a ball, But yeah,
son of bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I might be looking to sue a cup manufacturer. Yeah,
that's that's rough. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I got nothing to say except ouch, damn thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I hope everything still works.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
Will there should there be? Does there need to be?
And do there need to be adjustments to no Cha?
Ufc Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
It shouldn't be a love letter to Brazil, which is
you had considerably more Brazilian fighters than you did Mexican fighters.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
It felt like, and probably a lot had to do
with with Canelo Crawford, but it felt like this year's
no Cha was really an afterthought.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
It felt like it was an afterthought. And when we
go from Chevchenko Grosso one two Chevchenko Grosso two with
O'Malley Morab and the fucking Spear two and we've got
two top rank featherweights.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Oh, yeah, and they're from Zell.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
If you're gonna go all in on not Ja being
a yearly or event, you need to identify what's it
going to be. Is it a pay per view? Are
we going to try to put a title fight every
year on it with some sign of kind of Hispanic
lineage connections, or are we just going to go with
this being a really good fight night in a Latino market.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
I think that the UFC.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Should at least validate the idea of what they're doing
with a solid direction of how they want to run it.
And you're probably right that Canelo Crawford did obstruct some things,
But that leads to I don't really want to get
into this, but a much bigger concern that people had
with Dana White running so many organizations, his involvement with SLAB,

(01:02:48):
his involvement here, his involvement there, now, his involvement with TKO,
would something be put on the back burner And we
thought that with Hunter Campbell and all the people already
in place, that the UFC would run like clockwork. Well,
it really did feel like Notchi became a secondary event.
The first time TKO Ring Boxing is on the plate,

(01:03:09):
It did.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Feel like a second class event.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
I don't think that had anything to do with Dana
White having too many irons in the fire. It had
that Dana, yes, but Tko committed to boxing. You got
the opportunity to be involved in a Canelo fight on
you know, on that weekend, you're not passing it up.

(01:03:35):
You have a we'll talk about this on our wrestling
podcast as well. You can check that out Pro Wrestling
after Hours about some stuff there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
But you have a responsibility to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Your shareholders, your a publicly traded company, to give them
the biggest return on their investment. So once you have
that opportunity with Canelo Crawford, that's where your money is.
That's where you're Setty plus thousand people were in the arena,
that's where the forty one million people watching on TV.

(01:04:07):
At that point, you had to juggle two different things
because you weren't going to scrap no cha after two
years and oh well we don't really care like we
said we did. You had to do it. One of
them had to suffer. It wasn't going to be the
cash cow one. So it had And I'm not justifying
any of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
It's an issue and you know, are you going to
be in the same situation next year. It's entirely possible.
You need to figure it out because Notch felt less
than and it should not have.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
It's something they're gonna have to work on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
And that would be again the worst nightmare of the
MMA consumer that because TKO has so many irons in
the fire, that their corporate direction will make MMA less
than And if you're not a boxoxing fan, you could
find that to be a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yeah, and look, that is a misconception.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
And to the point you made earlier when I wanted
to keep talking about the boxing and you wanted to
move it on, you're we don't spend a lot of
time talking about boxing generally speaking. The misconception that I
wanted to allude to everybody just assumes on the outside, well,
if you're a UFC fan, you're a boxing fan, you're
a grappling fan, You're that really ain't the case.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Now for some people it is, and maybe for a
lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
It is, But specifically MMA boxing, I don't think there's
quite the crossover.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
In the fan base that some people think there is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
It's not to say there's not any, but I don't
think it's nearly as big as people think.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
And I think that of that seventy thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
That was in the house, i'd be generous if I
said I thought thirty five thousand were actually boxing fans,
a lot of what you see as in luencers, random
people around. It's the spectacle of I was there. It
is to the success financially of boxing that it is a.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
One percent er event.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Almost it's almost a part of society of esteem that
I was there at the big fight. I know people
that don't care about boxing that have made those kind
of conversations about previous Mayweather or Canelo fights. So I
inherently think that, yeah, you're right, there's a different audience,
and we also look at the cost of those tickets

(01:06:33):
that it does show that kind of esteem for being
at those events.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
I would disagree with your number breakdown, but your your
overall point. I think you're one hundred percent right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I don't think it was half boxing fans half influencers,
but no doubt, and look, we've seen this at UFC
events as well. There are people who might take I've
got to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
It's it's the spectacle. I don't even really care about
the sport, sure, one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
But the overall point, TKO had to choose which one's
the A event, which one's the B event, and the
one that's making you considerably more money is going to
be the A event every single time. And unfortunately for
MMA fans and for UFC fans, that came at the
expense of no.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Chain seventy two thousand fans in attendance, forty one million
on Netflix.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Will get us to talk about you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Also top three in the world pound for pound fighter
and Niate in a way fought a couple hours later.
And I'm just bringing that up now because I figured
Carlisle never was Japanese fighter. Huge victory probably made millions
of dollars, crushing it in like his his third or
fourth weight class, all of a sudden, Boxing overall is

(01:07:45):
in an interesting place.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
When it's good, it's good, and I speak monetarily eyeballs,
and when it's not, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
And i've heard this debate also not don't even know
if you want to weigh it was a good fight.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
It was a tactical fight. That was my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
I've been told it was the best fight in two decades.
I've been told the fight overall was.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Okay, are we back on Canelo Crawford? Now?

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
What was your thought just overall of the fight, because
I've heard many of different perspectives and I kind of
landed towards the Crawford skill is amazing. But you cannot
feel that there was a great fight when you see
something like the violence that no Cha packed in compared
to the tacticialness of a boxing match.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Well, I wouldn't compare the two events.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
I would compare the boxing to other boxing, the MMA
to other MMA. To your point, I don't know that
it was the best boxing match in two decades. I
was more hung up on how impressive Crawford was and
how he imposed his will. If you want to tell

(01:08:58):
me it was the best in two decades, I probably
wouldn't argue too much because I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
But it was good. It was enjoyable. I think.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
I think if you watched it at home, you felt
like you got your money's worth on that month's Netflix subscription,
or if you actually had to didn't have a Netflix
account and had to get one to watch it, you
felt like it was probably worth it, and that's probably
the best you could hope for but no, I just
thought Crawford was so dominated that that was my takeaway

(01:09:32):
from it. It never occurred to me to rank it
amongst other boxing fights boxing matches.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
To be honest, Connor McGregor has pulled out of his
candidacy for the presidency of Ireland, I believe, and John
Jones called Dana why apologized. Dana accepted, but still said,
the trust ain't there, baby. You can't just call me
and come on over and give me the hey, baby,
and let's netflix and chill.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
I don't know that you can call what conn of
is pulling out?

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
If if it's decided for you, are you pulling out?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Like he couldn't get on the ballot, he couldn't get
the signals, So I don't think he just said, well,
I'm pulling out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
He realized, Fuck, this ain't happening. So so that was that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Yeah, John and Dana, Uh, it's a story as old
as any other story you want to tell. I love you,
I hate you, I need you, I want you, I
hate you. Go away, please come back. Hey, We're good now, right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
I will not be.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Surprised in the least if John Jones fights at the
White House, it will not shock me at all. If
I'm UFC, there's no way in hell I do it.
And if I do it, damn sure ain't a title fight.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
There's no need to call John Jones until after UFC
three twenty one. But hey, they've at least had some communication.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
That's good to know. This weekend. Not a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Going on in the calmbat sports world. Don't want to
touch on what is because we'll get to that in
pro wrestling after hours, but do you feel like there
was an over booking this weekend? Just in general from
combat sports entities? Like it feels like someone should take
advantage of this open weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
If O were anybody not named UFC or TKO Boxing,
I would have moved my events from this past weekend
to this coming weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Would it have mattered that much? It would have had
to have mattered some.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
If you had to decide between no Cha and BKFC,
you were probably choosing no Cha, So BKFC specifically probably
could have gotten more eyeballs this weekend. The way the
calendar falls, you had the boxing and no Chase same weekend. Unfortunately,
you couldn't help that, and one of those was gonna
come off as a little less stand. But yeah, from

(01:11:54):
the combat sports world, there's a hole this weekend and
nobody stepped up take advantage of it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
BKFC was at least on Friday night, so they weren't true.
Well true, it's true Chane Canela.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
So maybe they weren't as hurd as we thought because
they were just on their own app It wasn't a
Desonne card, so not really sure.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
If that one how that was affected or not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
But well, you you could have moved it to this
weekend and done a Saturday night and maybe gotten more
eyeballs for that way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
But but you're right, being on a Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Maybe didn't hurt it as much, but you could have
helped it more if you had moved it.

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Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
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Do you have a favorite memory because you're a more.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Uh my favorite memory is right over my shoulder.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
It's uh Manny Pacio and Hatton a picture from that fight.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
So yeah, certainly, rest in peace to Ricky Hatton.

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