Ep 320: UFC Perth Recap. UFC 320 Preview. Distribution Deal For Zuffa Boxing

Episode 320: We look back at Carlos Ulberg's impressive win at UFC Perth. UFC 320 is Saturday night...is it a must win for Alex Pereira? Zuffa Boxing is headed to Paramount+. All the latest news. 











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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up everybody?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome back to MMA after Hours. It's Michael Carlisle and
Micah Frankle.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Micah, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Man?

Speaker 4 (00:11):
Oh? I am great. We went from a locked and
loaded action packed Saturday there were four fights that we
cover at a cagemons dot com and then you go
to this week where we've got everything almost under the
sun that the UFC and everyone else provides all in
one weekend.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm will also thanks thanks for asking.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Oh, I'm just excited. I mean we we could get there.
You ask me, and me I was like, ugh, taking
a breathy, got to get loaded up. How are you
doing today?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I don't feel like.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
You mean it, you know, I definitely meanah. When someone
asks you how you're doing that, you returned the favor.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Well, how was your Saturday? It was busy? I know
you were busy in a whole different way. How was that?

Speaker 1 (00:57):
It was better than Manda la silva Saturday?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
But yeah, everyone Saturday had to be better than Vanderley
Silva's Saturday. That is a dude, We're not We're like
the finish line of a limbo. If that's how low
you're or yeah, limbo, if that's how long low. You're
setting that freaking line man like, like that's at somebody's knees.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Come on, now, well, I mean, you know, just saying
is better than his, better than some not as good
as others.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Sure, yeah, no it was great.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
No, I'm fining enjoyed it. Yeah, I'm just giving you
our time. Yeah, no, I'm good. But that was my
angle to quickly mention the what was an ugly scene
at the end of that fight after Silva gets disqualified
for headbutts and the whatnot.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Obviously we won't spend a lot of time on this.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Does he have to fight at this age? Is that
why he's doing Is it the love of the game,
that the competition, because I'd like to see him doing
something else.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
I don't know. It would seem to me that the
easy answer is yes, he needs the money.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
One yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Two Maybe costs of living where the lifestyle or the
lifestyle he's trying to lead is costing him too much
money to get to Three. Maybe that UFC check that
possibly he's getting hasn't cut yet. Or again, a lot
of what vander Lay Silva like we talked about a
couple weeks ago Anderson's Silva getting a fruitful amount of

(02:43):
money from the lawsuits, and a lot of fighters from
yesteryear getting handsome sums, some better than others. But I've
even talked to lesser guys who have talked about a
quarter of a million dollars possibly coming their way and
that signifying the end of their fight career. Vanderlay silva
fight career primarily took place in Pride. I don't think

(03:04):
he's actually getting his big as sum as a Anders
and Silva, And maybe at this point, because of his
financial situation, it is necessity which he is still taking
place in some of these spectacles.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
It's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
It sure seemed like, look, I say, we spent a
lot of time on this, and here I'm about to
break down the fight.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Jesus Christ. It sure seemed like.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
He didn't really want to be there. The numerous headbutts,
they all seem pretty intentional. It looked like he was
there because he needed the paycheck, but he was also
looking for his way out and didn't want to actually
have to fight this dude.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
I can only assume when it went from Vitor Balfourt
versus vander lay Seva, which already doesn't sound like a
good idea right to Uh, you're gonna have to give
me the other fighter's name. I don't remember it because
I did not watch. I did not indulge that deep
I did hear though he was a former like one
hundred and thirty one hundred and thirty five pound boxing

(04:04):
world champion from Brazil.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Is Leno frietis probably close.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
See, I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Really.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
It screams to me that both gentlemen did this for
the money. I know that I saw members of the
Nogera team and family, the fighting Nerds, several prominent Brazilian
gyms all had key influencers in attendance. It was some
sort of black tie event. I guess this is similar

(04:38):
to what Anderson and Chaal had did earlier in the year,
except Vanderlay doesn't play like Anderson and Chill. I this
was a bad idea from the.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Get go okay. Last thing on this, I promise.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
So this past year, Vandala, during the usc ANTI lawsuit settlement,
filed a letter stating that he feared his career may
have During his career, he may have suffered traumatic brain
injuries and that he's exhibiting symptoms.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Consistent with CTE.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
How can anybody allow him in a boxing ring after this,
never mind commissions and especially in lesser than places, How
can people around him allow this to happen, the fight
just to fight himself, knowing that he says he suffers

(05:34):
these symptoms.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
It's incredibly irresponsible. It's a sad state. And you got
to wonder because I've heard some people speculated between a
financial possibility and also in an addictive state. Adrenaline is another drug?
Uh could it be an addiction to this kind of atmosphere?
But like you said, it's it's criminally irresponsible to say

(05:58):
you care about him and then allow vander Lay to
go into a circumstance like this, knowing where his health
is and what he put under oath. And from that perspective,
it's sickening to think that the promoters went through with
this kind of event and using literally using this kind
of an athlete.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Absolutely disgusting in my opinion. But that's just me.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
All right, enough of this, Micah, Sorry, we had to
start off that way.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
We got a lot to get to, big stuff going
on this past weekend. We've got UFC pay per view
this weekend. Where would you like to start?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Good, Sir, oh, let's get right to what was a
great day down Under for most of the Australian contingent
talking about home field advantage matters. UFC Perth proved that
true and maybe we have a new number one contender

(06:57):
after that main event, I.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Think you got to have the conversation.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Carlos Olberg gets it done and does it in very
impressive fashion the first round TKO over Dominic Reyis. I
don't know what else Olberg could have done to stake
his slaim to number one contendership.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
I thought it was beautiful first off, how Elberg won
the leg kicking game. They both went to feel each
other out, and it looked like as soon as Alberg
landed a few more, maybe landed a little bit harder,
it deterred. It already took something away from the offensive
arsenal of Dominic Reyes, who at that point was way

(07:39):
too alright with being secondary. He was not pressing the action.
He was alright with allowing Alberg to dictate the pace,
be more aggressive than he normally was, but still yet
avoid trading in the pocket until it seemed like frustration
built up, and that's when Reyes exploded. Olberg was able

(08:01):
to pull out his counter game, which was timing perfectly
the entry of Reyes. So I don't know, like you said,
if there's much more that we could see, because that
would be the knock from the last two fights. You
beat a former title challenger, you beat the former champion.
But you did it very tactfully, you did it very

(08:21):
game planning, You did it very unexcitingly. And this is
a game where you could end up with a nine
fight win streak if you don't have enough followers or
enough exciting finishes. You have to make that case ironclad
and that stiff one two hitting that job, turning the angle.

(08:41):
It's also the visual because it makes a beautiful highlight
reel moment that you hear John Anak I saw on
social media. So that might have been one of the
Christmas one to two knockouts he's seen in the UFC history.
That elevates the stock of Carlos Alberg to where I
hadn't really given much thought to it. It felt like,

(09:02):
and we'll get to it later, but it felt like
the other light heavyweight title fight this weekend was a
de facto number one contender fight, and even though we
had this one on the books. It was just a
this is a nice fight night main event, This is
everything that we said at middleweight no one was able
to do. This is that wow fucking moment, and Carlos

(09:23):
Olberg did it.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Like you said, next week, we'll have a much better
idea after Yuri and Rountree and Hell also after that
main event, after Ankleja and Alex, because depending on how
that plays out as well, that could have some effects
on what's next for whomever the light heavyweight champion is.
But certainly on Saturday night in Perth, Oldberg couldn't have

(09:48):
done much more to stake his claim.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
It was just it was quick. He made it look easy.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Like you said talking about Antek on social media, it
was very crisp. I don't know what else he could
have done. We'll see what happens this weekend and then
we can probably rehash.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
This discussion next week.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Well, that's a part of where I think Carlos Olberg
was very wise. I don't really love his mic skills.
He could benefit a little bit from watching some pro wrestling,
but immediately saying I want to be at the pay
per view this weekend, he doesn't need to be the
backup fighter but he needs to be there because you

(10:27):
need to be able to scream, yell and talk to
every media member that's going to be there, not to
knock fight night in Perth. But I don't think as
many media members travel down there as of if it
was a pay per view title fight. I truly think
this is a moment where you get to go to
the pay per view, stake your claim and keep that visual.

(10:49):
I think that becomes a very wise move for Olberg
just to be there to make his case. A closed
mouth doesn't get fed, and in this industry making noise man.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
It does the flip side.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
And this fight Dominic Reyes, who had been on a
bit of a role as of late, certainly tough loss
for him.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
It was almost too composed. Were worried about guys being
too reckless and running into things. There was almost too
much composure and too much respect, allowing Alberg to dictate
what was happening, allowing Olberg to get into his zone
in his flow. I wonder, what was this a surprise?

(11:32):
Is this the most that we can expect from Dominic Reyes?
And we have to now realize the chin is a liability.
It's something that he has to be ultra careful of
his defensive priorities have to be at the utmost over
his offense. It seems like in his next fight.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, this probably at what is he thirty five?

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Now?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, not that he can't continue to.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Fight at a high level, but I don't know how
you this probably ends his run of trying to get
back into title contention. Now, Khalil round Tree is also
thirty five, and he's enjoying a heck of a career resurgence.
And when we talk about this weekend's pay per view,
we're going to talk about him and Yuri trying to
stake their claim to be next for the.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Winner of Anklia Emperreira.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
So, I mean, I wouldn't totally slam the door, but
it's only cracked open a little bit.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
It's not that the it inevitably ends up being the
title fight. It's what this fight meant. It was the
litanus test, and not even a litanist test. It's the
measuring stick that was Carlos Alberg. Because wins over Dustin Jacoby,
Anthony Smith and Nikita Krailov only say so much about

(12:57):
the resurgence of Dominic Ray. We were wondering if we
were going to get back to seeing the dominic rayes
that was beating a Vulcan Uzdamir, a Chris Widman, the
guy that was pushing towards the title fight, and instead
he was beating guys at the bottom of the top ten.
And the first time you touch that upper echelon once again,

(13:19):
you get sent back. That's the worry. Maybe he hangs
around at this level for a little bit longer, but
that's where you say, the guys above you that could
crack harder. How much of a liability will that chin
become against all four of the guys fighting this weekend?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, performance of the night for Oldberg, also a performance
of the night coming in the co main event, Jimmy Krut.
If Olberg made it look easy, I think you gotta
say Jimmy Krut made it look pretty easy as well.
First round submission over ersling.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Jimmy Crue almost the finish look easy. But he feels
like a guy that tries to make things look hard.
They're just in that fight where they're scrambling around, flipping around.
He ends up on his back and yeah he's able
to reverse that position, But there was a moment I
think where you saw all of the air let out
of the RCAA arena. Everyone went, oh my god. When

(14:16):
Jimmy got put on his back from a Arthlain, you
thought the ground of pound onslaught was about to come
down on his head. It's now two in a row.
And that was one of the most brutal, just physically
brutal submissions I've ever seen. They called it a rear
naked choke on the website. I put camel clutch. I

(14:37):
heard there's a different jiu jitsu turn for I don't
know what else to say. When you just wrench a
man's neck all the way back and start to contort
his spine, that's closer to a twister than a rear
naked choke because there was no choking emphasis. That was
a whole bunch of spine and fear of paralyzation that
had Ursulain tapping. That might be a submission the Year contender, honestly,

(15:01):
because it was so creative and unique.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
And it seemed to come out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
I was just settling back down into my seat for
you know, to get ready to enjoy the co main event,
and just as I'm getting comfy, Damn Krutz slapped the
submission on. A very impressive win for him for sure,
great way to rebound.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
He was the favorite coming into the fight. This was
I don't want to say set up, but this was
a test that he needed to pass. More experience, better
grappler ursulaon. Now, I think this is going to be
a quick exit from the UFC. He went out there
and fires everything he has in the arsenal, but just
is not able to land a great performance from Crew,

(15:40):
just like I thought same thing in the feature fight
where we get Jack Jenkins over Ramon Tavars. Very good
fight from Jenkins, who I thought had a multitude of
things that he did well in this fight. Managed the
fight like he said, He's a guy that can work
putting things together, and I think he's starting to show

(16:01):
some of the promise that had people talking about him
in that killer leg kick game when he came into
the UFC. Real quick also shout out to Tom Nolan.
I thought he was about done. Charlie Campbell was hitting
him with some damn shots and then he's able to
come back turn that fight all the way around, gets
the rear naked choke, shows off that Brazilian Jiu jitsu

(16:24):
black belt that he has. That was another really solid
finish on the main card. Jake Matthews Neil Magni is
gonna end up being in no contest, right, I.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Don't think so.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Now Matthews is appealing the decision, trying to get it overturned.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
In Australia, an Australian fighter.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I still don't think it's getting overturged. Honestly, it should
be overturned to a Matthews win is what it should be,
even though terrible decision by the referee. What have we
been told since to be of time? Referee's decision is final.
He steps in just before the horn in the first round.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Matthews have for those who.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Didn't see it as a guillotine choke on Magne's arm
goes limp. The referee steps in stops the fight just
before the horn. Magni, who was not out, immediately jumps
up and starts protesting. The fucking referee allows the fight
to continue and Magni eventually gets to win. This was
just the proverbial shit show, Micah, and it's gonna wind

(17:30):
up not being fair whatever happens to either fighter. My
guess is Magni's win stands, but Matthews got robbed because
the referee overturned his own terrible decision.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
The fight's gonna end up being an o contest, I
believe in Australia with an Australian fighter. With the audio
evidence that we all heard of the ref yelling out
stop two seconds before the bell goes off, I think
we're gonna lead to a no contest. I think it's
gonna be reversed. It should have been a Matthew submission

(18:09):
victory there that probably would have ended up much like
Dan Argetti's ended up being overturned to a no contest anyway,
because it wasn't really a submission. The ref made the
wrong call, but they let the fight continue. Matthews had
a good second round, third round, Neil Magni comes back,
he ends up getting the Daris choke victory. I wonder

(18:31):
how much of an emotional depletion there was from Jake
Matthews after getting robbed, your hands raised, you're the winner,
and then you're told you got to come back out there.
I don't know, after you won the fight, after you
celebrate that exhilaration, if you can immediately be mentally in

(18:52):
tune to go back out for round two. And once
you're out there for round two, can you really get
to round three thinking I shouldn't even fucking be here?
What did this ref just do to me?

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (19:03):
You had the adrenaline surge, the adrenaline.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Dump, and then you had to go back.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I want to be fair to the referee here. Now
he's right there, but watching on TV, I thought Magne
was out. I get how he got to that decision,
but immediately after it was very clear that Magnie was
not out.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's an unfortunate situation.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
To me, and I get trying to right or wrong,
but the unfortunate situation was made even worse by.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Oh no, that was my bad. Let's just keep fighting.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I thought you took a bad situation there, and you
actually made it worse.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
You gotta own it. That's what we're both saying. We
believe you got to own it. You made the initial
call to call off the fight, to call the submission
win for Jake Matthews. That's where we should be at
right now, because it's agregious to oh no, never never,
never mind, I didn't stop, but it was the bell.
It was the bell. I heard the round. No, dude,
you were yelling stop. We all heard it. We all

(20:09):
clearly heard the bell. It's one of the most egregious
situations that we've seen in quite a while. And either
Magni or Matthews get screwed in this situation. But hopefully
the UFC financially takes care of both guys, and I
think we just end up with a no contest after everything. Now,
there's three things that I wanted to point out from

(20:30):
the prelimbs. Cameron Rosto that guy. That was a lot
of fun. Yeah, that was a what is it? It
was deceptively effective because I don't think everyone noticed that
little cheeky left hook that landed to the temple and
all of a sudden, Petrowsky is just loopy. That was
That wasn't a big shot. It was just nice, clean

(20:50):
and technical. So Cam Rstow somebody to keep an eye on.
You could go the same thing with Michelle Montague Alexa
Taynara then both show off incredible grappling. Tainara should be
here in the top fifteen now after halting the low Malock,
Boommey success and Brando Park, we need another heavyweight, so

(21:13):
nice to see a heavyweight at a first round win
and look good, because well we all know we need
more heavyweights. So if he's ready to fight in like
two weeks, the UFC should get this guy active and
get this guy experienced, because if I didn't say it already,
we need heavyweights.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
We need heavyweights, Micah, if I'm looking correctly here, Matthews
was the only Australian slash New Zealander to lose, right, yes,
yes he was, yeh, And I don't bring that up
to go but to go back to highlighting the bad referee,
call it just you said this out the outset a
big night for the Australians in Perth.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
The card was loaded with him and they went out
and got it done.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Really and navahos Sterling, hey, you maintained that prospect status.
I don't know if he done anything to wow us,
but Siriah dominant for that Oceanic region getting to fight
at home. Never underestimate how big home field advantage is
in mixed martial arts.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
For sure, I enjoyed this card.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
There were things about it on paper going into it
I didn't like after you got past the first two fights,
but all in all, I thought this card really delivered,
enjoyed it. Of course, UFC back at it this weekend
in Las Vegas UFC three twenty.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
We'll talk about that a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
But Vandala and UFC Perth not the only things that
happened this past weekend, Micah, We had a bunch of
other stuff we should probably touch on as well.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
So our friends at BKB the Mighty Try Gone bk
B forty six Empire State Brawl. The chaos got going
before we ever got to the Try Gone the day before.
At the Way Ends, we end up with a cancelation
of the main event. Harold McQueen no shows the Way

(22:59):
Ends Yambert Rodriguez will be fighting at a later date
for the BKB featherweight title that he was unable to
fight for on the night. No follow up on what
happened to McQueen where he went A big shout out
to former light heavyweight champion Cup Hawkins, who jumps up
in his super middleweight debut. Him and Brett Williams are

(23:22):
willing to take that main event showcase. Hawkins ends up
with a beautiful victory, huge windmil overhand right for a
crushing knockout win. Also in super heavyweight action, a fellow
that we know from our area, Juan Adams, improves to
three to zero. Wan got Chin checked about three times,

(23:43):
knockdown twice. This is super heavyweight action, people, And in
one of the craziest scenes I've ever seen, Adams lands
a short right hand on the inside to Richard Carmack
and is leaning on Carmack. The ref breaks them up
because of a lack of action and Harmack face plants.
Apparently when you see on the replay, he kind of

(24:05):
went lights out, and Adams, with his strategy of imposing
his size and weighing on his opponent turned out to
just be holding Carmack up, who goes down and is
down for longer than a ten count three and Zher
now in bare knuckle for Jan Adams. And speaking of
bare knuckle, earlier on on Saturday, DKFC eighty one took
place from Manchester two of the most heralded boxers I've

(24:27):
ever seen stepping into the bare knuckle ring, with the
former gold medalist two time super middleweight world champion Games
de Gaul taking on the fifteen and two Australian Matt
Floyd and for two of the most Herald of the technical
boxers I've ever seen. This was the dirtiest bare knuckle
fight I've ever seen. This was think back to those

(24:48):
boxing matches where they load up there, they're feeling each
other out, they're looking for that opening. There's one shot
thrown and then they clinch. Yeah, that's exactly what This
was a lot of clinching, a lot of rab punching.
In the end, the damage was done by DeGaulle. He
gets the victory. Austin Trout, for my money, has still
looked like the most appropriated boxing for a bare knuckle

(25:12):
of any of the guys that we've seen, you know,
making the sport look like, oh you can box in
this bare knuckle. Aaron Chalmers social media star. He gets
a second round TKO and Johnny Graham with a second
round knockout devastating right hook gets a BKFC UK lightweight title.
We also had LFA two eighteen two names to keep

(25:36):
an eye on at seven to zero. Alvi Dyceva is
someone to know a knee to a jumping right leg kick,
knocking his opponent down and finishing with ground strikes. And
also Daniel Hoyt, what do you do after you get
held down for two minutes, you get up, you push
your opponent away, and then you stick a spinning back

(25:57):
kick in their liver and follow it up with the
ground and pounds strip. So look out for those two
young men as they maintain their unbeating records in Spain.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
For sure, for sure? What about you got?

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Oh? You mean like fight announcements?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I didn't know if there was anything else on the
weekend we needed to hit on.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Oh no, sorry, that was everything for the weekend. I
was trying to give you another hand signal, got you,
got you, got you owing for the third down and
deep hell Mary time.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
So a couple of news things I wanted to hit on, Micah.
We got the announcement the other day, ZUUFA Boxing headed
to Paramount Plus and CBS.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
For all the talk that boxing's dead, and maybe it is.
We don't know the particulars, the amount of money.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
All that just yet, but ZUFA Boxing in twenty twenty
six headed to Paramount plus and CBS, and.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
I believe that that's gonna be a monthly series. At
this point, it looks like we have twelve events schedule
for Paramount and there's possibility of some of them being
simulcasted on CBS. There seems to be a lot of
questions to still be answered about what was announced. More
like Dana White and what we understand to be his

(27:12):
vision for Zuofa Boxing is rebuilding boxing. The UFC is
its own thing. It's not MMA, it is its own
way of running MMA. That's what they wanted to do
with ZUFA Boxing, right, and that is what they're gonna
attempt to do. So it sounds like we're gonna have
a contender series, a fine night series primarily. And then

(27:34):
you did really quickly hear Dana White because of his
buddies there at Ring and read odd season that there
will also be some really big superstar fights with names
that you already recognized because they're still doing that big business.
So well, we're reforming boxing. There's still gonna be attached
to a company that is very much gonna do boxing,
and they're gonna be a fader to that company.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
It looks like, well, I think you're having your cake
and eating it too, and I like the idea of it.
We'll see if it works out, but yeah, you're gonna
do your own thing. To go on a little more
of what you were referring to Zoofa. Boxing doesn't intend
to rely on WBAWBO, WBC IBF, the traditional sanctioning bodies.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
They're gonna create your own championships.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
But yes, you are going to have the occasional big money,
big star fights as well. So you're attempting to rebuild
boxing and the image you want it to be in.
But at the same time, you're not totally letting go
just yet either, so you're kind of if it works
out the way they want, I think it's gonna be

(28:38):
fantastic for them. Is it gonna work out that way?
We'll have to wait and see. But I think it's
a very interesting strategy and I am very intrigued by it.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Hopefully it works out better than it did for the
Golden State Warriors. This is the two timeline strategy. Yeah,
you're trying to milk the stars of today well grooming
what you want tomorrow to look like in a much
more financially manageable perspective for the company. I believe that's
how the interviewer was laying it out when he was

(29:10):
talking to Dana White.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll be interesting. I think it's going
to be easier said than done. But I do like that,
and they look they're not idiots. I'm sure they've known
all along this is what the plan was. But now
that we're able to see it a little more, it
is interesting for sure.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Is it gonna work to your point?

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And you use the NBA analogy with the Warriors that
one hadn't worked out so.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well, So we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
And part of it to me is they have to
make boxing more compelling and more exciting. This is one
of the things where I wonder because combat sports fans,
it really played out to me watching Canelo Crawford, the action,
the the level of a excitement that was brought from

(30:02):
UFC not Cha cannot compare to what was delivered at
Rian Season, Like infinitely more exciting, infinitely more violent, infinitely
more action pack from MMA, even though it's easier to
say infinitely more star studded from what we got from
Canelo Crawford. It wonders to me how we make boxing

(30:25):
more exciting in a error where jiu jitsu, power, slap,
bare knuckle, all of these sports are producing violence. I
think on a at highlight reels on a much higher level.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Micah, I want to ask you about this, because last
week we fantasy booked the entire card at the White
House coming up in twenty twenty six. Connor McGregor this
week says that he definitely wants to fight on the card,
but he's not negotiating with UFC on this one. He's
negotiating with the United States government and he wants a

(31:02):
hundred million dollars. Do you think Connor really believes's gonnaet
a hundred million dollars to fight at the White House?

Speaker 4 (31:09):
What did Dwayne Johnson tell us last time he sat
at a interview on a prominent late night talk show.
He said, if we're talking, it's all work. It's always
a work. Connor McGregor is a work. He has a
piece of work in all of the best ways. And
the scary Connor McGregor headlines are at least gone for

(31:29):
five minutes. And that's a nice funny one that you
could chuckle about. This dignitary, this ambossador of the great
country of Mma, is now negotiating with the President for
his spots on such a magnanimous car.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
He is negotiating on behalf of Ireland with the United States. Look,
if Connor gets a hundred million dollars for this. He
ain't fighting again afterwards. It just not happening. UFC's not
giving him this money. Somebody else would have to be
giving the money. And then when he comes back and says,
all right, Dana, let's do another one, that money ain't

(32:06):
there this time. So unless you're doing it in Saudi
Arabia somewhere and they're picking up the tab.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
You can't tell me that whoever fronts that hundred million
that it's not the worst investment ever.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
So you're saying the US government may be putting up
the money. They've been known this money away and that's
not political against that's whoever's in office. It happens a lot.
You should look into it.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
We're talking about also that going against read season. I
don't really I guess you could say with all the
sports washing that all that boxing and WWE has been
good for them, but I don't think it's really done
that well.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
It'll be interesting to see if we finally get Connor
McGregor and Michael Chandler several years after we thought we
were gonna get it. Mic go back to ZUFA Boxing
for a second. The recently retired Dustin.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Poier maybe still has that itch.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
He was chatting with fans on social media answering questions
and was asked if he missfighting. He said, of course
I do. He was asked if he would take a
boxing match, and he said probably, and then he followed
that up with ZUFA boxing twelve rounds me and Nathaniel.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
I'd do it, only one more fight I'd take. Are
you here for Dustin.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Poier Nate Diz twelve rounds in a boxing match?

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Micah, You know, on the contrary to when I meet
Nate Diaz and I will grovel at his feet and
tell him how great he is. I can't sit here
right now and say I'm clamoring for the next Nate
Diaz fight after I don't even really remember how that

(33:58):
boxing match with him in the Horror Hey mosmitt All went.
So I just on the outset.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Not really.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
My first thought was the biscuits ain't even cold and
off off the freaking oven. They're not even off the
window sill yet that pie is not even served yet.
From Dustin fucking employer's retirement two months ago, where we
had to create a whole entire fucking event swan song
love letter to his career. This dude wouldn't even be
back in camp in a normal timeline, and he's already

(34:29):
talking about how much he misses fighting. I didn't expect
to see him back at the desk three days later
talking about how much he missfighting. But these guys missfighting
as soon as the next fight's over. I'm surprised that,
you know Islam a hashnav stays away and only fights
once a year. From how much all the fighters misfighting
the moment they're not fighting.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Well, look, I get it to be fair, and I'm
with you.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Look, they created an entire event for.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
His retirement, but this would be different, Micah, because this
is boxing, this isn't MMA, and you'd still be doing
it under the ZUFA umbrella hypothetically speaking. So yeah, clamoring
for it. No, could I see it happening one hundred percent?
Do I think it actually happens.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
No, I don't think to put a piggyback on that one.
I don't think Dana White wants to build that bridge.
I think the fighters would love to see it. I
think the media wants to speculate it. I think Dana
White would love nothing more than zoop of boxing to
be completely autonomous and separate from the UFC, especially roster wise.

(35:37):
Maybe not talent, maybe not reporters, maybe not broadcasters, but
when we're talking about in ring competition, fighters, completely separate
rosters and pools. Agreed.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Hey, speaking of guys you are or aren't clamoring to
see You're clamoring to see Jorge masdidol back in an octagon.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
You know when I bring up the name Adeis and
I incidentally, and I did mention Jrae Mosittal. Dude, the
sun is setting quite quickly on that. And I know
a lot of people if you're not a hardcore McGregor fan,
some of these guys, and I'm sorry even to the
Michael Chandler if you're not active, I understand people are
gonna care, but it's gonna be less people each year

(36:20):
that goes by.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Would you be surprised if I told you Horay Mazddal
says he really wants to be on that White House card.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
No, that does not surprise me in the least bit.
He was a big Trump supporter down in Florida, so
that one seems quite logical that he would jump on
a card. That our president is having. I could definitely
see Jorge coming back into circulation, and I was thinking
that he was gonna bring this up because the thought

(36:50):
process was when was the last time he was relevant
in circulation?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah, no, I'm with you on that.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I'm surprised it took this long for him to publicly
say I want to be on the White House card,
because he was actually one of the first guys I
thought of when they started talking about this. Not that
I necessarily amplamoring for it or think he deserves it
or anything like that, but he would seem to fit
that mold of guys who would want to be on
this card.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I don't think anything has worked out well for Hora
Mospital post the Colby Covington incident. There was a point
where Horror Mosmital's Icon Fighting Championships was quite active on
UFC Fight Pass. That's evaporated. His Bare Knuckle MMA is evaporated.
Most of the guys that were becoming relevant in that
promotion are now either Dirty Boxing or BKFC. It feels

(37:41):
like grasping at something that has faded. You have your
moment in time and you have to capitalize on it.
And he was not able to agreed.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Agreed what Unfortunately? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
What else you got?

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Micah. So, I also have.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
This thing that I've been watching on Netflix for a
couple seasons, and it blends Titan Game and a couple
other of those like Ninja Warrior, those physical competitions that
we like were it's different teams, different people, different aspect
of finding out what kind of athlete is the best. Well,
this series Physical one hundred on Netflix. It focused on

(38:17):
Asia to start out, and we saw Yushano Kami was
in the last season. I believe in the first season
they had Don Young Kim and it was basically focusing
on the Philippines in one season and then I believe
South Korea and another season. So now for the third
season upcoming, they're gonna do teams and they're opening up

(38:39):
where Japan, Korea, the Philippines, Australia, multiple of those nations
will be involved and a lot of familiar names to
combat sports fans will be on these teams and captaining
their teams. Don Young Kim is coming back, Stun Gun,
You're gonna have Yushino Kami back for the Japanese team.

(39:02):
For the Thailand team, you will have Muay Thai champion
from one Championships, super BONWN, the Big One from the Philippines,
the former. I believe he was a congressman. Benny pakiaw
is going to be a part of this reality show,
not to mention one of my favorite off time MMA
fighters from Australia, Robert Whitaker. You also get Kano Wantanabi.

(39:24):
I believe also on that japan team Bellator VET. You
have several prominent wrestlers, so we're gonna get physical competition
and we get to see what a bunch of these
fifty year olds look like as they try to lift things,
run a bunch of wacky competitions. So I do branch
out from combat sports slightly, but not that far.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
I love how you said Paki, and I believe he
was a conference mentioning nothing about his Hall of Fame
boxing career. I think he was in politics in Philippines
somewhere or something.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I think that's where I've heard the name.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Uh, that's have to check that out. You asked me
during a break while ago if I was familiar with it.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
I said I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
As you were talking about it, I have heard about it.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
My interest hadn't been peaked in it, but maybe it
is now we'll have to see.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
It's fun. I'm not telling you it's the greatest competition
so ever, but I will tell you I've been through
both seasons and you know it was worth the we're
spent to watch the entertainment.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
All right, all right, we could check that out. I
suppose you have some fight announcements for us.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
We do got some fight announcements, so first time in
a while that we're gonna be mentioning them this week
the PFL. We're gonna be getting to a fight preview
for the PFL. But before we do that, they did
have some huge news for December thirteenth. They're gonna be
crowning two world champions, not season champions, but world champions.
A heavyweight world champion will be decided when Hennen Fahada

(40:54):
takes on the Deem Nemkov. A lot of speculation that
Francis and got to parting ways WITHFL, where as possibly
already told PFL he has designs on only wanting to
box primarily here on out, So a heavyweight champion to
be crowned in the PFL same card, we're also gonna
get Chris Cyborg versus unbeaten Sarah Collins for your first

(41:17):
official PFL Women's Featherweight world champion. Cyborg already having the
PFL Women's featherweight super fight titles.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
So she wasn't actually the champion, she.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Had a super fight title apparently from that last bout.
Is what we just found out.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
To be fair to PFL, I know that this was
something that they talked about, I believe last week and
admitted it was partially their own doing. But confusion around
who are champs, who aren't champs? Why are these fights
happening if they're not really title fights, and that is
something that they are looking to clean up and make
it more clear what's on the line with these fights.

(41:58):
So I will applaud them for them.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
On top of the PFL news, these aren't fight announcements,
but a couple of additions Viviana Araujo and Ariani da Silva,
two UFC vets, have now been added to that women's
flyweight roster. I think for the world tie, it are
gonna end up doing Dakota Ditchiva versus Liz Carmoush, but
you would add these two fighters into the next season

(42:23):
tournament for a number one contender. So at least PFL
trying to do something to showcase at least opponents for
Dakota Ditschiva, one of the few striving talents that we
could really buy into on their roster. Now we get
to the UFC announcements. I guess we'll start off with
the big one. No surprise, we were talking about it

(42:44):
last week October eleventh, the real main event. It's official.
Gamrod Olavera happened probably minutes after we published the episode.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Probably so and yeah, look, Gamrot was down. You knew
Olavera wanted to stay on the card.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
He was probably going to be down for the fight.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
It made too much sense not to make this your
your new main event.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Olivera still fighting in Rio. We can all be happy
about that. November one, we get Jeremiah Wells, Timbo Guaramo,
the Rock's Favorite Fighter. We have Talit, the Alan Carr
versus Ariana Karrasoli. Again, those are both editions for November first.
Gabriel bon Fime Randy Brown had been scheduled for that

(43:28):
Rio card on October eleventh. It instead been moved to
headlining duties for the UFC Finite in the Apex on
November eighth. That card has also gained Arian Janiez versus
Christian Canons and Ricky Simone versus Hayanni Barcelos, Titcha Pennington
versus Denise Combs. We also look back now on that

(43:50):
October eleventh card because they have two editions, well one
edition it's Simon Olivera versus Luan le Serda. Unfortunately, Santiago
Ponza ni out and Vacente Luke is now going to
take on Joel Alvarez, the Spaniard moving up from one
point fifty five to one seventy probably a good idea.
He was having some rough weight cuts, a massive individual.

(44:13):
Benil Daryush and ben Wasil Sintony two guys that we
thought should take that Rio fight instead, they're gonna be getting.
It's not a bad opportunity. It's Madison Square Garden, it's
November fifteenth, it's UFC three twenty two, so heck they
both held out that in take the Rio fight works
out pretty well for both of them.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
UFC Katar we have an adjustment where Jose Luis is out,
Denzel Freeman, the former LFA champion, is in to take
on mayor beek Bulo. And here's an interesting one. Moving
up from lightweight to welter weight. Molte Bec Oral Baiev
will be taking on moving down from middleweight to welter
weight Jack her Manson. So lightweight moves up, middleweight moves down.

(45:00):
We meet at one seventy Oral Bia Hermanson also November
twenty second in Katar, UFC fight Night December thirteenth, Steve
Asplan will make his official debut against Sean Sheriff. We
need more heavyweights.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
We need more heavyweights Micah UFC three twenty this Saturday.
We'll get there in one second. But UFC not the
only game in town this weekend, right.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Not the game in town, not the only game trying
to muscle in on Saturday night. But let me take
a deep breath after all those fight announcements. Big week
in Las Vegas. You know when they go home, they
like to do it big. When it is a full
fight week doing it big, what do you mean, Well,
let's start off at the APEX on Thursday night because

(45:49):
Mikey Mussamechi and Kevin Carasoa are going to battle for
the UFC BJJ bantamweight title. And you get Carlos Henry
defending his UFCBJJ lightweight title against Matthews Gabriel. I believe
in all it's a nine fight card. You also get

(46:11):
the return of Andy Verrella, who fought for the inaugural
middleweight title. So exciting Thursday night, that's free on YouTube.
Friday night on YouTube. Also from the UFC, well not
the UFC, but right adjacent you got Power Slab. So
Power Slap brings us a trilogy match between sorry, I

(46:34):
was looking for the right word, a trilogy match between
Brandon Bordeaux and Isaiah Cannoni's as the duel for the
men's middleweight title. Former prospect in the MMA world, Abby
Mantas who has fought for Bellator PFL. She's in a
women's featherweight bow And if you're from the pro wrestling world,

(46:54):
Finna fought too, who's been around MLW quite a few promotions. Yes,
he comes from the Bloodline. He will also be a
part of that card, So that's free for you on YouTube.
Huge week in Vegas leading up to the UFC card.
But before we get to that UFC card, we also
have BKFC eighty two, the debut for the promotion in Newark,

(47:18):
New Jersey, the Prudential Center. Probably a bad weekend to
be doing this. I would love to have seen this
on Friday night. I gotta be very vocal about that.
The King of Violence main event. I'm being told it's
one hundred and seventy five pound weight class. Not sure
about the exact number, though that might change, and I'll

(47:38):
let you know about that in a minute. Mike Perry
Jeremy Stevens, we've got two of the hardest hitters in
bare knuckle. You got to expect that size is gonna
make a difference. When Mike Perry took on Eddie Alvarez,
Alvarez landed shots but was unable to really deter Perry
from moving forward. The size, the ability caused damage was

(48:01):
the difference there. I don't know if this turns out
any different, even though I do think Jeremy Stevens a
harder puncher than Eddie Avarez, which Avarez was able to land,
so that could spell some danger for Perry. But you
do understand he should come in as a big favorite.
They made the adjustment. That's the King of Violence, the
Queen of Violence. According to Dave Feldman, now officially the

(48:24):
co main event. We'll see if that happens or not.
Where are women's featherweight champion The ten and one Christine
Faria takes on the women's featherweight champion Jessica Borga. Jessica
Borga got a interview up with her at cageminds dot com.
The only woman in bare knuckle history to land a
clean knockout. Things have went from friendly to very vicious

(48:48):
between these two in the lead up to the fight.
Go check out the interview to hear when Jessica said
things turn personal. This one is a big fight in
that division where Frea has been this volume puncher causing
dad image. No one's lasted long enough than a round
to see what Borga can do if the fight gets long,
so that's an intriguing factor. Frank Jeger, the hometown Hero,

(49:08):
takes on Jimmy Rivera, both from that area. They used
to train together. That's gonna be an interesting one with
the bare knuckle and for you UFC fans. Also, Carl
Roberson takes on Ola Wale Bambouge. I know you'll recognize
those names, Carlyle, so you'd get bare Knuckle also on
his own on Saturday Night, Like I said, I think

(49:29):
I would have Rent Friday Night with this card if possible.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
I believe that would have as well.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
UFC three twenty on Saturday t Mobile Arena two title
fights at the top of the card. Are you at
all concerned, Micah that it's only Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
And we're already down a.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Fight unfortunately Ozzie Diaz pulling out undisclosed injury. Just gonna
cross my fingers, cross my eyes, cross my toes and
hope that this is the last adjustment that we have.
I'm gonna be hopeful. I'm not sure for sure.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
And I bring that up because that was going to
be your featured prelim fight on ESPN Plus. So Ozzi
Diez is out, does it look like he's uh that
we're gonna get a replacement fight there? So so we're
just gonna have one last fight top of that card though, Micah,
you got the light heavyweight title on the line Maga.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Mat and Kalia versus Alex Perera.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
You've also got the comin event bandamweight title Morob defending
against Corey Sandhagen. Let's start right there at the top, Micah,
light heavyweight title on the line, Perhero wants his belt
back and Elijah not looking to give it up.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Unfortunate that Gutier is not going to get to fight,
that they're not going to get him a replacement. Top
prospect there at the middleweight division was looking forward to
see what he was gonna do. I thought he was
gonna crush Diaz. That's unfortunate, Alex, Pereira, Maga met and Calia.
Huge question is what could be different in this fight
besides the slight modifications to the signature chunks of Alex Well.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Alex says for their first fight, he was only at
about forty percent. If that is true, I do expect
a much different fight this time. And if you believe
that as well, and you're into placing a little friendly
wager on these fights, you should jump on Alex at
plus two hundred as the underdog coming in. I don't

(51:24):
know if he was really at only forty percent. I
guess we'll find out more on Saturday, but I do
think if that's the case, this fight's going to look
a whole lot different than the first one did.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
It's like, what do you believe? How much did Ankilaia
figure it out? Pereira, how much did injury take away
from a Parreira who I don't know what was injured
on him, Probably a broken fucking back from carrying the
whole goddamn UFC last year. Uh, but to not taking
away from that Parra did nullify the takedowns, but well

(51:55):
he did that. He didn't get his back off the cage.
He was held behind the black line. He was held
on the cage for way too long. Was injury a factor?
Was that also a reason why an Kilia looked so
much faster. We know that there's a statuesqueness, an imposing
figure that Pererra provides, but this motherfucker was stagnant. He

(52:17):
was literally a HS piece. He didn't have much movement
to him at all. How much did those injuries hamper
him and how much was it the aggressive nature of
an Khalia that made the difference. Ankulia has to mix
up the game. I think he has to apply pressure
from the beginning, always making Perreira work. You want to
make this a fight and make this dirty, make Perira uncomfortable.

(52:40):
If you're Perreira, you have to get to the leg kicks.
That was something that he started in the first round
of the first fight. Was not able to magnify. If
you saw the Amblohovich fight that gave ankulaa fits, the
leg kicks were readily available. They were available in this fight.
And I wonder if there was some kind of leg
injury or alma that hampered Perera for wanting to throw it.

(53:01):
So you have to see a much different, much more
act of willing to fight Alex Barreira or I don't
know what we can do. A second lackluster performance is
not possible. You got well and you go out on
your shield. You at least save your marketability. That's right,
And I was going to ask you, does Alex have
to win? Here is the mystique. Look at thirty eight

(53:21):
years of age, another loss to anklelav.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Are we looking at the end of Alex?

Speaker 4 (53:30):
A competitive split decision, a controversial decision, it depends on
how the fight plays out. But another lackluster, volumeless performance,
it just takes away the mistique and it's hey, thanks
for showing up, and I guess you and Nina Drama
can ride off into the sunset. Which do you buy into?

(53:50):
People wondering if there's much like a Drake curse that
there could be a Drama curse in the UFC.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Dude, I so don't care one way or the other
that I have not given it.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Any thought whatsoever. But she did wreck Sean Strickland.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Yeah, maybe I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
I don't know, man, I I don't even care.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Do you know how long I had a search on
social media to find that shit to be able to
pull that question out of me, to get to you,
to try to get a question that I thought that
you might want to indulge in, because I didn't think
you were gonna be into the conversation of how big
of an aspect of this fight is hand fighting going
to be? Because I think when we get in that

(54:36):
in that first space, it's gonna be can Ankula get
close enough to shut down the leg kicking gain by
possibly implementing hand fighting? And does that make Pereira uncomfortable?

Speaker 3 (54:46):
See?

Speaker 4 (54:46):
I didn't think you want an indulge in that question
versus well drama.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
That was almost as crazy because the last thing ankle
I have and I get it, trying to nullify the
leg kicks. The last thing ankle I have wanted to
do is get closer to Alex because will put him
on his ass.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
That's what I think he has to get closer though,
and make him fight though, because I don't think sitting
back is going to be good, and you might actually
open up the teat kick that body jab, and then
if you're getting those two hits, then you're really going
to be susceptible if you're kept on the outside for
the leg kick. That's why I think ham fighting might
become something. While it's wildly crazy to get closer to Alex,

(55:25):
it might be a better idea than if he's healthy's
staying all the way at that third level distance and
playing the kicking game with Alex.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Win or lose, is is Alex's last fight at light heavyweight.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
I could see it going in that trajectory, or I
could see there being a possibility of there being the
Carlos Olberg fight after this one. It's it's a name
not on his list and the calendar is wacky, and
depending on what happens, I don't know truly. The DAANEA

(56:00):
White Hunter Campbell standpoint on John Jones, you make a
very good point. If Alex wins, is it easier to
say if Tom beats Cereal? Sorry for just using first
names everybody, but if the main event looks like the
bang odds expected to at UFC three twenty one. Is
it easier to just move Alex up right away? That

(56:20):
feels like the perfect storyline, maybe the perfect way that
TKO will push this now, But it just doesn't feel
like the UFC thing to do to have Alex rematch,
to want to elevate him in that manner. Maybe it does,
maybe it doesn't, but I'm not fully sold on Alex
the heavyweight just yet.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Well, it's gonna happen sooner rather than later.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Again, he's thirty eight years old, so if it's gonna happen,
and I don't even think John Jones necessarily plays into
it other than it's another name in the division.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
And if you do Bearra and Aspinall, either Aspinall's.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Resume all of a sudden looks brighter to John, or
the thoughts of taking on Alex is a.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Little too enticing for John.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I don't think we see Pararah at light heavyweight again,
regardless of what happens in this match.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
But that's just me.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
I've been wrong before and I might be wrong again.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Why is Alex Ferira not fighting Tom aspinallt you just
see three twenty one.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Because he's got in his mind, his warrior mentality. He
has to avenge this loss, and he doesn't want to
move up coming off of a loss.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Now a loss on.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Saturday, there's nothing left for him at light heavyweight anyway,
other than taking a number one contenders fight, which I
don't think interests him. So at that point in time,
you do say effitt and move up, I think if
you're Alex, but yeah, well why has he not already
moved up?

Speaker 3 (57:52):
He's got to avenge this loss.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
If he loses to Ankliath, maybe the move up comes,
But then I feel like you got to probably win
one before you're able to get that title fight. So
I'm guessing that it's at least one more fight before
he fights for the heavyweight title. After this one, your.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Co main event, Morob Davish, Philly takes on Corey Sanhagen.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Bandamweight title on the line here and the champ micah
is a huge betting favorite.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
He is a minus four hundred favorite.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Corey Sanahagen comes in as the plus three hundred underdog.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Well forget John Senna, because the champ is here and
has been here all damn year. It ain't a retirement tour.
It is the tour of the wallash Philly through Tkoh,
possibly putting a capstone on the twenty twenty five Fighter
of the Year if he gets this done. You're talking
about a guy that, quite literally, with everybody sitting on
the couch, is lapping the bantamweight division. No one is,

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for some reason as active as the wallash Philly. He's
gonna end up on that demetrious mighty Mouse Johnson kind
of path where we're like, is he really defending the
title against the number ten guy in the world. Well, yeah,
because everyone else has already been beaten by the incredible
machine from Georgia. You understand why the betting odds are
what they are because somehow, as good as he is,

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Da wallash Philly just keeps getting better. We all thought
that sitting on the sideline allowing Al Jermaine Sterling to
do his thing well d wallash Philly was on a run,
might have been detrimental to his career. You only have
these moments. We've already talked about it on the show.
Take advantage of the moment, Take advantage of your prime
when you have it. Well, he waited, and he waited,

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and he showed that he's wiser than all of us,
because now he's even putting together a more epic run
than his best friend. And it is just incredible the
way that he is running through these challengers.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Remember way back in the day, Oh I don't know,
December of twenty seventeen, Rob makes his UFC debut, dropping
a split decision, follows it up in April of twenty
eighteen with a submission lost to Ricky Simone, and you're
not really thinking about him. And since then, all that
m effort has done is go out and roll off

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victory after victory after victory after victory after victory, and
I could keep going, but I won't. And it looks
like an unstoppable machine.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
The most vicious cardio in all of MMA. He makes
tiredness will make cowards out of all of us, and
he makes cowards out of some of the greatest martial
arts in the world. An ability to just rag dog guys.
There's this visual of how tired they are in the
championship rounds. We are not able to keep up with

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the pace of a Marabdy Wallash Philly. This is a
guy that's swimming laps in lakes in the middle of winter.
He is just bread different. And when we thought he
was just a one dimensional wrestler holding John Dotson against
the cage, holding Jose Aldo against the cage. Now the
dude is like, no, I'll fuck around and stand on
the feet with you. I will throw my big overhands
and even though this stuff is not effective, We're just

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gonna keep throwing so damn much. Now I'm gonna wear
you out. I am getna dog you down. Now, how
do you stop that? If you're Corey Sanagan, you have
to figure out a way to throw harder. You have
to plant your feet, you have to make the calf
kicks count, and you have to go for those jump knees.
You have to know that it's inevitable if you get
in these grappling situations, you're gonna end up on your back.

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That's fine because the wallash Philly is not a submission expert.
He's gonna put you on your back to let you
get up because he wants to hire you out. So
throw some spinning wheel kicks, go for some big highlight
reel moves because that might be the only way to
execute and to get the victory. Because you have to
get that kill shot to get the victory. You're not
winning five rounds against this man at this level in

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the form that he's at right now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
No disrespect to Corey san Haagen at all, but barring injury,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Really see a path to victory for him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I just think Morob is now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Look, anything can happen, don't get me wrong, but something
really wonk.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
He's gonna have to happen in this fight. If you're
Corey Sanhagen.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
I believe that you have to make a finish, You
have to make something happen. And we don't know what
the next level of evolution is now for Dwaller's Philly
adding that secret weapon that's Dimitrius Johnson to his camp,
they've been really close. Now that you're learning from the go,
oh my gosh, where are the skills? Where's it going
to go this time? Do we see a more efficient,
more ruthless operator on the ground. If he's able to
piece that together. It's scary to think of the potential

(01:02:22):
that the champion can even reach another level. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
We talked about the light heavyweight feature fight a little earlier.
Let's get into it a little more now. Uri Pochaska
versus Khalil Rowntree Junior. This may still wind up being
for the number one contender ship, although we talked about
Carlos Oldberg and its impressive performances past weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
But what do you think about Uri and Khalil Rowntree.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
This one's probably the leader in the club house for
fight of the night if you wanted to put odds
on that one. This is going to be a spectacular fight.
Both guys are straight up strikers. It feels like much
in the mold of man. Carlos Conda did it for
a ment. There were a couple other guys that failed
to win the title, but they walked away with this
fucking aura where you were like, they want something that

(01:03:06):
was much more prevalent, an understanding of their game in themselves.
And that's what we saw Khalil Roundtree do against Jamal Hill.
We saw him put things together and even though you
might have seen strike counts that looked similar, the impact,
the way that round Tree is able to land is
much different. And will Uri Protoska is a knockout artist.
The dude still hangs his chin out there a mile

(01:03:29):
in the air and makes it a nice big target.
Well you can believe that there is spectacular. There is
unexpected and unorthodox offense to come out of Uri Prochaska.
Khalil Rountree is tight, he is technical, he is bound
to his Muay Thai game, and he is a slugger.
There is a reason why I'm sure on the odds
they really favor round Tree on this one. And this

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is the kind of last gas effort for the now doctorate.
I believe her master's degree earning Euri Protroska. He did
some take some time off, he went to school. You
need to show that brain in the fight IQ in
this one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Khalail Rowntree, by the way, a plus one forty five
underdog and I love Rountree in this fight. Josh Emmett
Yusef Zalal pair of top ten featherweights.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Zilal is ascending. His grappling has been coming together. Of
these two guys, he is the faster and more athletic.
With being the younger fighter, josh Emmett has been through
some mores. He has taken some damage and most worriesome
is He looked a step slower in his last fight,
but the big power is still there in the back

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pocket from Josh emmittt what makes him always dangerous? This
is I think Zalal's fight to lose that Emmitt is
always dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Biggest betting favorite on the main card Zialaal minus five hundred.
You've also got opening up the pay per view, Micah,
Joe Pfeiffer, and Macha Metov.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
Who doesn't love Joe Pifer. He's big as hell, he
hits hardest shit. He is a opening round killer. But
after that first round we don't know what to expect.
Aboost Magametov has more experience. He has crumbled a couple
of times, so you could see Joe Pipher being possibly
a favor, possibly being really liked on this fight. But
the longer it goes the experience, does he have that

(01:05:16):
cardio to keep it up? From a Maga Meta who
has sowed the potential to excel but is a really
inconsistent performer.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Yep, yep. What stands out to you in the prelims?

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
You get Chris Guterres versus Freid bosherot It's can Guterra's
match the volume? Can his leg kicks be implemented to
stop the mobility? A dynamic unbeaten Basherah who's known for
his grappling. He has a lot of submission finishes, but
he's more like a club and sub guy. He's a
more dynamic mover. He's the younger fighter, so you wonder

(01:05:49):
about the kind of damage that's accumulated over Gutira's's career.
A big opportunity for a basharat as Guterras is hanging
around that top fifteen, just maybe top twenty for so long.
Also love the patchy Mix versus Jacob Wicklock. I'm probably
way off on that one, but we'll see how they
actually pronounce the Polish fighter. This is former Belator champion

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versus former ks W champion. Both guys operate best on
the ground. Mixed thirteen submissions. Jacob ten wins by submission,
a debut, a real test for both of them, but
where the Mario Boutilli stuff fight with stylistically opposing of
what Mix does. Jacob has most of his wins by
a submission. He's going to want to play on the ground,

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but Mix is the better wrestler, so you're actually gonna
see the Polish fighter want to operate outside of what
he normally does and he wants to turn this into
a striking matchup and try to stay long. I think
if your mixed, you got to get right to being aggressive,
closing that distance, looking to control, maybe shoving some knees
in on the clinch. I think that he hasked to
Also if he gets stuck on the outside, if he's

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not able to show some more dynamic head movement or entries,
it could be a long night. So this one I
slightly face patchy mix because we've seen him in these
high level situations more often. One other fight that sticks
out to me is Puno Soriano versus Nikolai Vertenikoff, just
because Soriano has been on the roster for so long,

(01:07:14):
want to see what he could do. We saw a
much improved version of him at one seventy. He's a
big power puncher. Of at Tennakoff coming down from eighty
five is the longer fighter. It's range versus aggression For Tennakoff,
he has to have desperation in this fight. He's one
and two in the UFC. One in three, bro, that's
the four fight deal. You're out of here. Two and
two you might get to stick around. So there's a

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lot of desperation from a Vertenni Koff, who can't end
up on his back against Soriano. Soriano maybe wants to
implement leg kicks because of the reach disadvantage he's going
to be in. He has to shut down that movement
so you can get on the inside. I feel like
there's a lot of intriguing factors in that one. You
also get the return of Austin Vanderferd taking on Ramianz Bahima,

(01:08:00):
and this one can strike interest because normally Vanderford likes
to implement his wrestling game. He has to use that
to reverse to stay on his feet because Braheima really savvy,
tricky submission game Vanderford if he keeps the standing, how
does this one play out? Because Braheima not thought of
as a big puncher. His last win though, he need
to get a TKO, So that one screams out to

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me as interesting. Not to mention, Hey, Carlisle, Jonasantos back
one more time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Don't care? Don't care?

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Oh come on, I thought you always cared about Yannasanthos.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
No, she's a plus one fifty underdog and she's probably
gonna win because that's the way life goes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
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Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Vegas, and then Shabazian. If he gets a win, does
he now? I think that'd be three in a row.
Do we return to having faith in him as a
middleweight prospect? This is a fight I think that's very
well against the moonees. That is only good if he's
able to get his positions on the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Ask me that next week. I'll have a better answer
for you than I would right now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
I forgot to mention it where I wanted to get
to you earlier on that On that Women's Queen of
Violence title fight between Faria and Borga weight was a
huge contention, one twenty five champion, one forty five champion,
the at one point with sets and beat at one.
They said, no, we need to make it a bat

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and weight fight. We're gonna have it as a weight class,
so that means one thirty five. Well, in the interview
that we conducted with Borga, she's like, yeah, it's one
thirty seven plus one, so it's listed as a bad
and weight fight. Actually one hundred and thirty eight pounds,
wondering if weight was going to make a difference in
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