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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the deep dive. Today, we're going to
sidestep the usual suspects.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yeah, the flashy names, the ones everyone.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Knows exactly, the Al Capones, the Tony Spilotros, the guys
who's violence you know it made the headlines. We're looking elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Today, we are We're focusing instead on a different kind
of power, the power of the let's say, the strategic survivor.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Absolutely so, our mission is a deep dive into the
Chicago outfit, and specifically we're analyzing one of its most
quietly influential figures, Joseph the Builder. Andreaki.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Hmmm, a fascinating figure.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
If Capone was the showman, Andreaki was maybe the ghost Architect,
a name that you rarely hit the front page, but
one that law enforcement certainly knew and treated with calculated caution.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Right, and Andreaki, he really represents an important transitional period
for the outfit. He's one of the last true links
really to that old school Chicago mafia.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
But his methods were different.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh, completely decidedly modern. He wasn't focused on bruts back.
He was well the calculating force guiding the outfit through
some really intense federal crackdowns.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Transforming it. As you said before, we started from maybe
a street operation into something else.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Into what investigators started calling a corporate style criminal empire.
It's a huge shift.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Okay, So we're analyzing the mechanics of subtle power here.
Our goal really is to understand how a man survived
decades in the incredibly violent, paranoid world simply by prioritizing loyalty,
absolute competence, and maybe most critically, that strategic invisibility.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's a masterclass in organizational control in a way, staying power.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Let's start right there with the foundation. Why did the
Chicago outfit, which was maybe different from some of its
East Coast counterparts, why did it specifically need a builder,
someone focused on structure and business.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, the outfit structure almost demanded it if you look
at the history. Unlike say New York's Five Families, which
were often warring, right, more fragmented, exactly, this the cogo
out that had generally been more centralized. It came out
of prohibition and pivoted very quickly, focusing almost entirely on business.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
What kind of business post prohibition?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
The classics controlling gambling, loan sharking, and critically labor racketeering,
and not just in Chicago, but really throughout the Midwest.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So by the middle of the twentieth century, the network
was becoming pretty complex.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Oh very it wasn't just about street corners anymore. It
was getting integrated deep into the city's commercial life, which.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Means the power dynamics shifted.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
That's right by the nineteen seventies, maybe the eighties. Real
power in the outfit didn't necessarily come from being the
fastest trigger. It came from quietly pulling the right strings,
influential strings. Okay, so they needed reliable, really effective operators,
people who could handle large, complex business stuff without drawing
a lot of heat. That demanded a certain kind of discipline,
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the kind Andreochi had, the kind antriarchy embodied.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, and his background. He was born in Chicago, early
nineteen thirties.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yes, grew up in those you know, working class Italian neighborhoods,
places where frankly mob ties ran deep, sometimes seen as
a way up, a path to respect or stability.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So how did he climb the ladder without being known
as like a big earner through violence or a flashy killer.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He was just exceptionally good at the job, simple as
that almost by the fifties and sixties he was gaining influence,
but not by boasting or seeking the spotlight. No headlines,
no headlines. He was relentlessly reliable, followed orders, kept his
mouth shut, and handled the business side of things flawlessly.
That combination loyalty and sheer competence in the outfit that
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was priceless. He provided stability, quiet stability.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Which I guess brings us right to that nickname the builder.
If he wasn't literally, you know, pouring concrete or framing houses.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Right, he wasn't swinging a hammer.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
What did the builder actually signify about his role?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Okay, so the nickname it stemmed directly from the outfit's deep,
deep infiltration of the building trades decades, that whole construction
racket that was his world, his domain, And what.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Made constructions such a perfect vehicle for this kind of
well corporate style organized crime. Why wasn't it just another
income stream?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Ah, because it's kind of the perfect racket. It looks
legitimate on the surface, right, everyone sees buildings going up.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Sure, it's commerce, it's progress.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Exactly, But underneath, construction is just fertile ground for systemic fraud.
You've got bid rigging, huge kickbacks, manipulating the unions.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And Andreaki managed all that.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
He managed that whole complex system. He was the guy
making sure that the let's say, outfit friendly contractors got
the really lucrative jobs, city jobs, private jobs, big money.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
This is a long way from fighting over Speakeasi's liking
Capone's day. It's about controlling the city's actual infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Precisely, and that gives you immense power, the power to
disrupt commercial life. Think about it. If you refuse to
play ball, refuse to cooperate with the builder system, problems
would just appear mysteriously. Yes, project gets delayed, materials don't
show up, maybe your site gets vandalized or sabotaged. In
a city like Chicago, where construction and political connections are
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just constant, that ability to stop or start commerce that
gave him enormous quiet, clout, real leverage.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
So by the seventies and eighties, his competence is reliability.
It basically guaranteed him a seat at the top table.
Who was he working closely.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
With then he was definitely in the inner circle. Trusted.
He worked closely with figures like Joseph Iyopa, who was
the boss for a long time.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Joey Dove's right.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
That's the one, and John Serone Jackie the Lackey, a
major lieutenant and crucially when Josephiiola took over as boss
in the mid eighties.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
A more volatile period a bit.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, and Andreaki was his indispensable advisor and lieutenant. He
provided that level headed, organized presence they really needed as
law enforcement pressure started seriously mounting.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And that pressure it really ramped up, especially with Operation
Family Secrets, that federal investigation. I mean it was headed
by mobster's own kids turning informant. That must have felt
like an existential threat to the outfit.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh, it absolutely was probably the biggest threat they ever faced.
It led to this huge wave of indictments, exposed or
convicted a lot of the old guard, the top guys. Yeah,
Andreocky Andreaki remained largely untouched when all the courtroom chaos settled.
He was still standing, still operating.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Now we know from FBI records he was definitely on
their radar. They strongly suspected him of overseeing major outfit operations,
especially on the north and northwest sides of Chicago.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
No question they knew who he was so.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
If they knew who he was and basically what he
was doing. How effective was this invisibility we're talking about?
Was it real?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
It wasn't about hiding his existence, you see, it was
about mastering plausible deniability. His invisibility was strategic. It was
all about covering his legal tracks.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Ah okay.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
His specific survival tactics became well, almost legendary within the organization.
He didn't put things in writing, ever. He avoided sensitive
fun conversations like the plague, and photos, fanatically careful not
to be photographed with known criminals. It sounds simple, but
the discipline.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
He operated like a legal ghost. Just imagine the sheer
psychological discipline required to maintain that level of silence, that
scrutiny for fifty sixty years.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
That's the truly remarkable part. While others were loud, flashy, greedy,
getting caught on wire taps, Andriacki operated with this like
surgical precision, sticking to the rules, absolutely, adhering to the
cardinal rule keep your mouth shut and make damn sure
there's zero physical evidence tying you to anything illegal. That
ironclad discipline it ensured his influence lasted while guys all
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around him fell to indictments.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So if we look at his whole career, he's really
more than just an old mobster who got lucky. Yeah,
he's kind of a transitional figure for organized crime itself.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I think that's exactly right. He is the bridge between
the flamboyant, headline seeking bosses of the past and the quieter,
post Riicho corporate style criminals of today. He was part
of the generation that learned directly from past mistakes very quickly.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Speaking of post Reicho, the New York families, many of
them really crumbled under that pressure, but the outfice survived, adapted.
How did Indreaki help engineer that survival strategy? And just
for listeners, RIICHO is the Racketeer, Influence and Corrupt Organizations Act,
the big federal tool that led authorities go after entire
criminal enterprising. Right.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Reco was a game changer. The outfit survived largely by consolidating,
downsizing in a way and emphasizing discretion above absolutely everything else.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Less visible, fewer members.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Fewer made members probably and definitely way less visibility. By
the two thousands, Andreaki was clearly an elder statesman regarded
inside and outside the outfit as one of the top figures,
maybe underboss, maybe Conseigliere, the exact titles shift, but still active,
oh yeah, overseeing the core operations that continued, gambling, loan sharking,
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and of course the labor racketeering that was always his specialty.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And law enforcement. They kept naming him right well into
the twenty tens, even in the twenty twenties. Is a
high ranking figure, but still no major convictions.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Never It frustrated them immensely. You can imagine. They even
compared him sometimes to Paul Castiano, the head of the
Gambino family in New York.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Interesting comparison why Castellana.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Because of the style. Both were seen as calm, business
minded leaders focused more on white collar crime than street stuff.
But here's the crucial difference, the reason one survived and
one well didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Jasiana was assassinated right.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Castellana was perceived as arrogant. He lived in that ostentatious mansion.
He drew massive public attention, fatal mistakes. Andreaki, though he
was the anti Capone, the anti Castellano, he never sought fame.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
His defining trait was maybe just professionalism caution I think.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So professionalism and extreme caution. He commanded respect through competence.
He often mediated disputes rather than just resorting to force.
He understood fundamentally that fame or infamy, that just an
express ticket to a federal indictment.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
A risk he wasn't willing to take.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Never, his focus was ensuring the organization operated smoothly, quietly,
and profitably full stop.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
That quiet survival really is the core of his story,
isn't it. His career isn't about the dramatic shootouts, are
overwhelming greed we often associate with the mob. It's about
calculated patients, strategic management. He really does seem like the
prototype of the modern strategic, invisible mob leader.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
And that brings us, I think, to the final maybe
provocative thought for you, the listener, to consider. For all
those decades of investigation, for all the FBI resources poured
into watching the Chicago outfit, Joseph Anddriaki remains largely unknown
to the general.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Public, still a ghost in a way.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Still mostly a ghost. He embodied that golden rule of
organized crime, perhaps better than anyone. The less they know
about you, the more power you actually wield. True control
in that world thrives entirely in obscurity something to think about,