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who's credits include television, stage and VOS over work. She's

(02:32):
currently starting in one of my favorite series on BT,
Tyler Perry's The Oval, which airs every Wednesday on BT,
Like I stated, and she's also starting in another series
that I've fallen in love. It's a sci fi series
from the d C universe called d C Stargirl, which
airs every Tuesday on the c W. Please welcome to

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Money Making Conversation Karen More. Hello, thank you, yes, great,
Thank you so much for having me. First of all,
thank you for taking the time to call him out.
You know, when you watch a character, Let's let's go
back to the very first episode. Okay, in a fight,

(03:13):
got gott take a breathta take here, gotta take breath here,
let's more, I gotta take bro, you know, drag out
physical fight with the President of the United States. Let's
hold that thought. Hold that thought. Then let's go back
to you getting the script, okay from Tyler Perry, who
all knows a genius. Let's go and admit that publicly.

(03:36):
If you don't know what I'm telling you, he's a genius.
What were your thoughts, you know, President, you know Michelle
Obama coming out of the White House and you playing
this over exaggerated character of an African American female entering
the White House in a dramatic series. What were your thoughts?
When I first got the side for the audition, I

(03:59):
was is horrified because I thought to myself, how could
I possibly I'm an actress and I'm just like, I
don't know how I can pull this off. This character
is so opposite my personality. I'm just like, Wow, what
what do I have or what can I pull from
to bring this character to life? Um, And so I

(04:23):
thought at the challenge and uh, in that first chool,
I didn't know how the audience would really stun but
it was shocked. Value. I mean, that's the first scene
of the series and what like what like a casual
slap slap no, no, no, this was a knockdown, drag

(04:45):
drag out beat down like the entire hotel room. And
um yeah I was. I was afraid going into it.
But once we started rolling, oh my gosh, we had
so much fun. Okay, now now you said this is
this character is not like your personality? What is your personality?
It's more honestly, I've always been py um. So I

(05:10):
think I've come out of my sinus a little bit book,
but I'm kind of an introvert. Um. I will say
that the character is strong, and I think I have
a strong I have strong views, and I have a
strong personality. But I am yes, but I'm not. I'm
not overt like so I'm not over and over selfish, Uh, domineering, Uh, sexist, uh,

(05:36):
child abuser uh liar Uh going and going a dressing
shop and beat the heck out of your husband's mistress, uh,
taste your daughter. Uh come on now, it's a lot
of qualities issue. Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm Benny the
best things in my real life. I want people and

(05:59):
you know they're just like you. It doesn't um come caring. Now,
here's the funny thing about it is that we're gonna
have a good time with it. Were already having a
good time. I'm talking to one of the stars of
the Oval. She plays uh the first League first lay Lady.
Victoria's the name correct that word lading. Her husband's name

(06:20):
is Hunter. Now, as the story as the series evolved,
you know, you're starting to get a little bit the
pieces about the background of your family and how he
got there. But let's go to the beginning of the
series here, because first of all, you want to say, Rashan,
how successful this has. Has the reaction to this series
been okay? First of all, it's been renewed for a

(06:41):
second season, which we all know in the acting game
is a blessing. Come on that because you started like
preparing life a little bit okay, you know, because people
don't the stand and you're in the acting game. It's
like it's almost like check to check. You can't you
can't buy a car, you might not make the notes

(07:02):
because you don't know if you're gonna get a job.
It's really came about how it really starts. You really
have to be a person that's really patient and also
and just really just have strong faith and also have
a good, good people around you that a support system. Now,
the original series has been a hit for b et.
We're talking about The Oval some highlights. Is now in

(07:23):
the first half of this debate season number one new
scripted series on cable for all audiences eighteen to forty nine,
Number one in both broadcasting cable for African Americans eighteen
the forty nine, which is an incredible number cover number. Now,

(07:43):
you know, when the series came out, I didn't know.
I wasn't watching it in the beginning. So I had
to bend drop because people couldshan because they always know
I like watch. I watched a lot that would tell
me how do you manage to watch some of TV
and read some of the books When I get a
good series like this though, that's that every every episode
is like really really, So I'm a back off a

(08:06):
little bit. Here, tell us about just let's let's tell
about tell about tell everybody about the family dynamics of
the Oval Office. If you miss anything, I'm I'm a Phelian. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Well,
the Oval overall is it's people like to compare it
to just Initially they like to compare it to Scandal,
but it is that it isn't a political sell. Oh no,
it's not political. Oh no, it's not not at all.

(08:29):
No about it's all about relationships and the drama within.
So it addresses the upstairs, downstairs thing that goes on
in the White House where you have the first family,
and we pulled back the curtain on this family who's
been placed in the White House by the powers that be,

(08:51):
and all of their dysfunction is completely uncovered. And then
we find the White House staff home and they have
a whole other at a drama while dealing with the
drama in the White House, which is a lot to
handle for anybody at work. And then they go home
and deal with their own personal things. So there's drama
on both sides of it. Now she's left out so

(09:13):
much good stuff. Okay, the daughter, the daughter who was
sleeping with the drug dealer, right, and then your boy
good please described everybody. What is what? What is your
son Jason? What is his character? What? What is he?
He could keep hopping he's a pervert in the series,
what what what? What? What is it? I've heard that

(09:35):
word throwing out a lot in the series. He's a pervert.
He's a pervert. What exactly is Jason's character in The Oval. Okay, Jason,
who has played by Daniel Corey Henderson, and he's like
a wonderful actor. He's nothing like this. By the way,
he is nick he's saying naked most of the time
in the series. By the way, y'all just let y'all
know about that, he's all the way naked. He's naked

(09:58):
and most and he's disturbed. But here's this thing about
the kids. Um, people don't understand. They hate They don't
hate me, they hate me and and they kind of
hate Hunter too. Because what we've done is we brought
them through the Mayor's office, as govern his office and
now the White House. So these children have been brought

(10:20):
up in a bubble and have had their lives, you know,
under a microscope, and so protected from a normal life
that they act out in ways that's probably other other
children wouldn't, but they asked out. Um, they act all
the way out, all the way. So they're they're just
they're yeah, they're disturbing. Jason is in him, He's got

(10:42):
a lot of he's got a lot of issues that
will be uncovered as the season goes. Um, I don't
want to get too much away. There were there were
more what we're gonna talk about, we'll cover enough to
make you want to watch the rest of the seas
Like I just tell you number one. Note you number
one for a reach and not eighteen fortnight because you

(11:02):
got your boy, your boy and seen it at all. Now,
see this is see the great thing about the lady
Victoria character, which is the first lady, and then Hunter
he's the president. Then Jason and Sophia they're they're their kids,
outrageous kids. Then, like she said, it's more even juicier
storylines when you get to poll Nancy, Richard and crazy Barry.

(11:25):
Crazy Barry does he have emotional Barry is the son
of Nancy and Richard, and he came by the White
House one day to help out, and all hell broke
loose because he got in the room with Sophia, and
Sophia says something later on Gail Gail, Yeah, it was
girl like Paola. Gail and Jason correct so many series

(11:47):
in my head, Gail and Jason are the character. They
are your children. So Gail got in the room with Barry,
and then she made the story by Barry, and then
it just calls j Richard to lose his job, and
but the storyline didn't stop after that. These story lines
are just so so outrageously juicy that they make you
want to see more. Correct they are they are, and

(12:09):
they're so so twisted and intertwined. It's it's really interesting
to see them unsold and see how the White House
staff and their families um are a part of the
actual family of the White the first family. It's really
interesting to see how they're connected and in ways that
you wouldn't think they would be. But yeah, my daughter Gail, yes,

(12:32):
she had a relationship. Her boyfriend was a drug dealer,
is the cousin of Barry, who was the son of
our butler, who was fired because Gail accused him of
rape when he was, like you said, helping out. And
then you had the Then you then you had to
change your dought. I had to. Lady Victoria had went

(12:58):
as far as she can go, but she tasted the
daughter to see if it worked. That's what That's what
I loved about. You taste your daughter to see if
it could work. And then but that's your story. Now,
if you got some extra juice, what you left out,
what you left out before before Victoria tastes sale, Gail

(13:19):
jumped from the moving car on the way to these
and when we got to the White House, Yeah, found
it necessary that. Oh my good. You know we were
about to break here and we haven't gotten to yet too,
d C Star Girl, I want to get to that.
It's a couple of more questions I got to ask

(13:39):
you the next break because it's just can I say congratulations?
You want an amazingly entertaining, juicy soap operative soap opera
format that uh, it is funny, is sexy, is over
the top? And your character, like I said, you know
when you made a pass it poor Sam, he didn't

(14:00):
know what to do. That's about the third guy in
this series. You made a really strong pass up. The
little white guy turned you down earlier in the season.
You're just a but but then but then you always
making like you were really talking to them, just kind
of talking past. But I want to wrap up a

(14:22):
few more questions about the oval uh uh Salmon Priscilla character.
You know, Sam, he worked security at the d C
h at the White House and you made a pass
in him, or that they seemed to be the most
stable characters on the show. Unless unless I missed something.
I usually called every episode. But Sam and Priscilla seemed

(14:42):
to be the most stable characters on the show. I
thought Nancy and Richard was, but they both of them
crazy too. But what about Sam and Priscilla? Sam, and
I would venture to say that they do have the
most stable relationship so far. They have the most stareful

(15:04):
relationship thus far, you know, but there is a whole mess,
and she has a way of working her way into
people's lives and causing causing trouble. Yes, okay, now let's
here's an interesting backstory, because I finally at your grandmother, okay,
and it seems to me that your family, your family

(15:26):
in particular, okay, sent your way. You know, they got money, okay,
and they got influence, and so, like Hunter said, you know,
they shocked me when I became mayor. Then they shocked
me when I became governor. And now I am the
President of the United States. And I don't I didn't
ask for any of this, And so what what what
what was your role in all of this? Your characters role?

(15:47):
Were you along for the ride or you just afraid
to make a uh say no because of who your
parents were you know a little bit of both, because
Victoria is about the business of money, right, but she
had she had a sumultuous childhood where her her her family.
She felt as though her family didn't love her. She
was a blessing of the family, and there is pun

(16:10):
intended there. Um and her her parents are they're they're powerful.
They're one of the top five families in the country.
They run the country. So they sent her away when
she was a child, and Um, she's always felt like
she was under their control, but she never felt their acceptance.
So in trying to trying to be accepted by her family,

(16:32):
she's left herself onto this man who they found to
be Um kind of like a catalyst, you know, to
to to place their influence into the White House and
and and its apologies and procedures. And so Victoria is
along for that ride, but she's really trying to get
off the roller coaster, you know, honestly, she she she's

(16:53):
done everything that she can and now it's she wants
his money and she wants out. You want to talk,
but then you have then you have Donald's character and
Coyle's character their lovers. Okay, but it seems to me
now they've been with you guys a long time, because
the storylines seem to talk about they know about the family,

(17:14):
your family, and they know what they can do. So
give me a little backstory on them, if you can.
Just being nosy now and just being nosy, Well, their
story is currently unfolding. So um yeah, so so Donald,
I don't know how unfolding. It could be the man
with naked in his bed, buck naked in his and

(17:36):
then I got to see you got to see the
brother got to see his butt in the hotel room. Okay,
when when Lily showed up and told the girl that
told the girl to get the heck out? Okay, so so,
but but I digress. I digress later, Victoria, please continue.
So she's from Staff and he has been a White

(18:02):
House namestaate, but he's relatively new too, um Hunter's wife.
But what Hunter doesn't know is that Donald is somehow
connected to one of these five families. I can't say
whether it's you know, our family or not, but he's
connected to one of these thy family who's puppeteering, you know,
the people in the White House. And so he's got
to stay in line. That's why he needs to stay

(18:23):
Mary to Lily for the optics of it. But he
has Kyle as his look right right that that that
that that was previous lovers. Then the Kyle cheated on him, Okay,
then they broke up. And then when he broke up,
that's when she found found Lily from watchs She's from
watch the Community or don't know? She said, boy, you

(18:45):
do watch this series, don't you? And and so, but
I got to go back to the biggest food in
the show. I got to go back to before we
move on Barry. Oh god, Okay, before I go to Barry,
I want to just compliment Tyler Perry on this sets
in this series. I have not been to his campound.

(19:06):
I'm based in Atlanta, but the sets you're based here, Yes,
the sets are amazing. The sets are amazing. Listen. What
he did was he built a white house almost to
scale on his campus. It only took a couple of
months to do. We watched it be erected as we
were preparing for the show, and it is amazing. As

(19:29):
an understatement, whenever everything calms down and we're going to
get back to normal, I encourage you to come to
the campus and tour it. It is phenomenal. I'm looking
at it. You know, I've been fortunate. Guy. I was
in the Oval Office, I met President Obama, so I
know walking down that hallway, I know, going in that room,
I know exactly. You know how this stuff lays out.

(19:51):
I want. They gave me a complete tour of the
White House. So when I'm going room, when you guys
are going room in the room and going that's a
authentic That's what authentic. That's legitimate because you was like,
once you go on something you know you're only gonna
adventure into once in your lifetime. You kind of like
making snapshots so you can remember the experience because they
won't let you take photos. They won't let you take photos,
and so the photos they take of you, as a

(20:12):
professional photo photographer didn't have to screen the photos, and
they eventually was sending the photos to you are the
ones they took of you, taking taking of you while
you were at the White House. But when I when
I look at Barry's character, another over the top character,
that's funny and uh that that that that can you
explain to me? How could we say stupider or dumber

(20:36):
or how many bad decisions can you make? In one season.
Let's just say poor decisions. But he was he started
off at this advantage because this poor child was auge
over rage. Okay, and he didn't do it. But then
you know, he used to be involved with this, uh,
this woman who's going to call and they had a

(20:59):
child together. She comes in with her cult members and
kidnaps his kid, and so he's looking for his kid
and he goes into you know, neighborhood shouldn't be at
a part of Oh my god, and we forgot that.
I forgot the fact that the Gail got you know,
got taken around the corner about five dudes. I forgot

(21:20):
about that little storyline you know that was you know,
Gail snuck out of that white house to be with
her dealer boyfriend and in the in the course of it, yeah,
he was almost read by some gang members and Sir
Richard happened to be in the area and picked her up.

(21:41):
And it's a whole drummer. But but you know, before
I move on to d C Star Girl, Bobby, Now,
what is Bobby is he comes some kind under He
plays like he hasn't he knows some people who are
trying to get dirt on some more dirt. What is
Bobby's roll? I know he's having an affair with Lily,

(22:04):
and Lily you know she went to him at the
that the Big John in with the I got God,
this story's crappy. Oh my gosh, core Bobby, Bobby, Bobby,

(22:26):
he was an insider at one point, and it's not
been real, Lady Victoria, a sexy insider because I've yet
to see him with his clothes on. Uh, the scene
may start with his clothes on, but the brother gonna
be out of his clothes really quick in that scene.
You know that, right. I know his tattoos, I know

(22:51):
the dimples in his but I know the muscles on
his shoulder. I could count the lot apps on his stomach.
The little and this man don't keep his clothes on
long at all. It makes me feel really bad when
I watching him though he looks. Don't feel about listed.
I mean, it's to have a body like that a
lot like Why finished with your description of this fool, Bobby.

(23:15):
I just had a break in and just tell y'all
what I see. No, Bob. Yeah, Bobby is definitely the
sexual chocolate of the show, and he really was. Yeah,
he's an insider, and he hadn't yet revealed it's exactly
his relationship. But he's an insider, and he knows a
lot about what's going on in the White House and

(23:36):
a lot about the family that's controlling what's going on
in the White House, and so he's trying to tell
really literally you and danger Girl. So's he's he's let's
have sex first. Let's let's get Yeah, let's get let's
get down first, and then I need you to go
back to take sure of the business. Right, Oh my god,
Oh my god. Okay, cool, um, let's go on to

(24:00):
this next fantasticist. Because you know TV every Wednesday and
your TV which is on the b Et every Wednesday
with the Oval, now every Tuesday, we can catch you
on an exciting new sci fi series called DC star Girl,
and you play an extremely different character. You're a doctor
little nerd ish type doctor ish uh, the daughter to

(24:23):
one of the characters I believe that's eventually going to
become one of her sidekicks. I'm talking about Stargirls sidekick.
Tell us about that character and the opportunity it brings
to just show your acting range. Well, HC Star Girl,
like like you said, I play a character. Her name
is Dr Chapel, and she is she's a medical doctor,
and she's brilliant and she is a completely buttoned up nerd,

(24:47):
that's what she is. And um, she's unaware of what's
about to unfold in her daughter's life. But yeah, her daughter,
it's Sandersville. But well we'll find out this come this Tuesday,
what happens. But she may be one of the recruits,
um star girl, to join the the new Justice League.

(25:08):
You know, Yeah, it's fun playing her. She's completely opposite Victoria. Um,
she's still intelligent and polished, but on the complete opposite
end of the spectrum. You know, her hair is natural,
you know, she's understated, buttoned up. It's fun. Well, it's
first of all, your your life that you're living right now.

(25:29):
Congratulations on the Oval on bt B renewed for a
second season. Congratulate because we know what that's a blessing.
And then to be on television in a totally opposite
role in the mainstream show, that's what Starker this is.
Stark is a mainstream show. And and then and may
be accepted in that role and having fun at and
being nerdy ish and being able to look authentic in

(25:52):
that in that role, and I was, you know, it
was kind of you know, because I was I watched
a series and so I was kind of like, oh,
I wish I could interview her right after two because
that would be more juicy stuff to talk about. But really,
but really, this Oval, I took up the whole show.
That's how amazing that is. So that what that means
is that you gotta come back on my show if
you don't mind. I really loved interviews. You're funny, you're entertaining,

(26:16):
you're beautiful, you're smart. Uh, please don't stop being you
and uh again, I can't wait till the season finale.
But I'm just dropped this little dam on you because
everybody keeps saying there's an insider, there's an inside somebody,
there's a leak in the White House. There's a leak
in the White House. You know who I think it is?
Who do you think, Jason? You think it's yes, m Well,

(26:40):
let's keep well, we'll see stay tuned and every Wednesday,
The Oval, starring Lady Victoria and Hunter as the two
dashing members of the White House who it's not about
changing America, it's about holding that white house together because
it's exploding with sex, passion, evil, double crossing, backstabbing, murder.

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That's the Oval on b ET every Wednesday, and don't
we get You can see this nice, charming, smart, brilliant
young lady on Tuesday's o DC start you out on
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much for having me. That was such a warm intro
that we're warm, but but you're in Detroit, right Betray
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know I lived. I was like, I'm in the wrong place. Well,
first of all, used in New York doing working at
Wall Street. Correct, when I graduated, Yeah, I went to college.
I went to college at fam you a Ka, Florida
and m Universal when I was there exactly exactly, And

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so I studied business finance. And I decided that in
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start because I wanted to stop complaining about the industry
and instead of be the changes, we just stop complaining
about an industry. What do you mean? What what were
the complaints about the industry? So yeah, I started the

(31:14):
lit bar because I was completely frustrated with the beauty industry.
I hated it's lack of diversity, its excessive amounts the chemicals, um,
just this idea that that beauty looks like one particular
thing and like in one way. So I found, you know,
of a country full of women black and white that

(31:34):
was trying to fit into this very small beauty box
of like what's considered socially and societally accepted as beautiful.
And I was like, no, like, why are we all
trying to conform to be something that we're not in
terms of like that that beauty image. And it's like
I felt like we had been taught that you can

(31:55):
only be one thing in order to be beautiful. And
it's always been then my my understanding that everyone has baby,
you know, and everyone is beautiful. But the conditioning of
the media and the beauty companies, you know, it consistently
told this story in this linear LFE and so that
was my frustration. I hated that people were made to

(32:17):
feel like they were not enough, and so I decided
to create the lip far to remind women that they
don't have to transform and be beautiful. They're already beautiful. Okay,
now you degree was it? What? Now? Business finance? Okay,
business finance. And so I'm just reading your bio, so
you will created the formula or you mixed it, or

(32:39):
you made the brand or the lip bar in your
Brooklyn kitchen. To my understand that I've read that wrong. Yeah,
you know, you read it right. So I did not
have experience in the chemistry. I was working on Wall Street,
like looking at stocks and bombs and still spreadsheets all day. Um,

(32:59):
but that's what happens when you when you're operating in
purpose and you're operating with determination. Like no, I didn't
know how to make lipstick, but I did everything in
my power to learn and I'm not going to say
it was easy. It took probably a thousand batches of lipstick,
you know, me making these products before I got to
a good one. It was a story of resilience, and

(33:20):
I think that's largely the lit Bar story. Now, the
real product is a vegan product. Correct. Every single thing
that we make is vegan and cruelty free. So that
means that we don't use any animal products, we don't
test on animals, and we try to be as natural
as possible without compromising the products. The brain what you're
saying that you do, which is really important now, you know,

(33:42):
I love your energy. First of all, um, I have
a newsletter there I had set out every Friday nine am.
And a good friend of mine I found out about you,
was and Simbowski Ward, she's the CEO of Yes. She
she texts me said, Shan, you got to put it
on your show. Who Melissa lip Bar. She's really good

(34:06):
because you know she lives in Detroit and she lives
in Minnesota, and so that's how I found out about you.
Then I then every Tuesday I meet with my staff
and I said, uh, I've been recommended to interview a
young lady by the name of Melissa Butler as she
owns the lip Bar. And then my staff go, we've
already contacted her, so you're already on their radar. My

(34:29):
staff's radar people that I should bring on my show
is entrepreneurs. So the blessings are is that a good
friend of mine who was or I loved the death
and she's a fantastic smart person, and you know, a
good person to recommended you. And then my staff already
was greater to book you. So with that being I

(34:50):
love and to death, I love that woman. She has
been so hopeful in my journey. She she called your
boy right now, told me that this as a person
I should have on the show because you're a blessing.
You're gifted. And that's what I do on money making conversations,
I bring brands in and I use my brand free charge.
I'm not here to try to make money. I'm just

(35:10):
trying to give a platform to entrepreneurs that they can
talk to tell their story when no no, when no
hidden agendas. It's about so the nuggets that you share
on my show, hopefully other people hear it and go wow,
I can do it too. That's what this shows about.
Motivating people believe that they can do it too. Like
my degree. Just a little quick backstory, very short backstory.

(35:32):
My degree is in mathematics and computer and sociology. That's
my degree. I got into mathematics, and I went to
work for IBM and left IBM to pursue a career
as a stand up comedian and became a sitcom writer
and managed talent and marketing, branding gurgle for Fortune five
companies and producing television shows and film. That's my background. Okay,
but I didn't start out like that. I was a

(35:53):
math My degree is a mathematic Just like you said,
you know your your degree wasn't in chemistry. That didn't
stop you. So with that, I said, I'm trying to
because but that's a that's a big swing. I just
went from telling from mathematic to telling jokes. That wasn't
that big of a jump. I just I just got
your jump is huge. Here. I'm I'm trying to figure

(36:14):
out how confident did you have to be? So could
you walk me through the steps? Not trying to reveal anything,
but that's pretty impressive, miss Butler. The fact that you
were confident enough, and I'm sure you were the guinea pig,
of your of all your stuff, maybe some close friends
and things like that. Once you got going there a
little bit because you wanted to try it on different

(36:34):
skin tones and different skin textures and things like that.
So when you thought of just talking about the time
that you said, Okay, I want to do this, what
did other people say to you? Oh? I mean, people
thought I was crazy. My mom thought I was crazy.
My mom was like, oh, wait, you're quitting your job
because and two years in, I quit my job not

(36:57):
because I was making a ton of money, but because
I really believed in what I was doing, and I
knew that what I was doing could be powerful and
could really impact to women across the country. Um So
when I quit my job, I wasn't even replacing my salary.
I wasn't even gonna be able to pay myself a salary.
But I knew that that was the risk that I
was willing to take it because I knew that I

(37:18):
didn't have any other real responsibility. So for me, it
was more so like I would rather risk it all
and and either fall flat on my face or regret
not going after it. And so that was a decision
that I had to make and yeah, you're right, like
you have to have some level of confidence. But at

(37:38):
the end of the day, I didn't know what I
was doing. I had no idea what I was doing
or you know, how big or how small it could get.
But I knew that what I was doing was important.
So you know, for all business owners, they they told
you to make sure you're starting with a problem, right.
So I very clearly knew that there was a problem

(37:59):
within the in the street. And I was like, you
know what, I don't know. I don't know how this works.
I don't know anything about the beauty industry. I don't
know anything about manufacturing. But I'm going to try because
I think this is a problem that's worth solving, and
you are and obviously people are reacted to it. Here's
there's something funny. I'm just let you know. I have
a newsletter that goes out every Friday at nine am,

(38:19):
goes out like to ninety thousand subscribers and so on.
And I told mar my staff, I said, trump one
of her and you know, one of your ads, uh
banners in there with the link and everything. It was
the most clicked link in my newsletter two weeks ago.
That's how popular your brand is it? And I always

(38:43):
tell people, you know, wow, it was the most click link.
It was like it was crazy because you know, I
said it out on Fridays and on Mondays meet with
the staff and I go at eight am when I
go zoom because when the pandemic time. And I go,
They said, what, what's trying to give us a update
on newsletter? I said, all the most clicked link in
the newsletter was the lip box. And and you know

(39:08):
the reason, I just have to say that because it
wasn't tied to you a famous person. It wasn't. It
was just your product and either the name recognition or
your product of the first of all, the marketing it
looks so you have a beautiful looking product, first of all,
and and doing a tre minute job of marketing it
and so and so. So I didn't know what to

(39:30):
expect when I put in there. I just know that
I support, you know, African American entrepreneurs. That's the purpose
of where I created money making conversations. But I also
noticed that when people clicked, you have you know, you
have unique clicks and you have a total clicks, all right,
And people just kept going back to your ad. So
I always tell people that generally is a sign that

(39:51):
people were buying things when they keep going back, you know,
they go they go back to try and figure stuff out,
and go back and go back and go back. Usually
when people click one time, there could be some sales,
but usually, you know, because you rather do people click
and they just go through the process of buying unless
they really know what they're doing. So I just know
that you are doing a great job of marketing and

(40:12):
the story you're telling on the air with me right now,
it's pretty impressive. Um, thank you. I'm not finished with
any I just want to thank you. How do you
want to thank you? You know what I'm I'll be
having celebrities in there. You know, Erica Campbell, you're learning
the Adams, Kelly Rowlands. You know, I have a superstar paddler,

(40:34):
but I have superstars being they're selling stuff in my
news letter. And then little lot ms clip bar click
click click click click, congratulations, We go back with my
friend like the little bar ceo. She moved from New
York to Detroit and may ain't there was snowing in Detroit.

(40:54):
She to know what she had gotten herself into, but
she's a happy person. There's a lot of cliches. You
hear a lot in this business of being successful. You know, gifts, passion, um,
don't sleep on who you should really be. A lot
of quotes on the phone as a person who um
got a degree, family, family, rattlers down there, will packer

(41:17):
down there. You know. My board did two movies with
him Thinking like a Man and Think Like a Man too,
and just a number of great things. Before we go
into further into your brand, I want to talk about
the HBCU experience. I always like to talk to the
individuals and I have that experience, that level of education,

(41:38):
and to reflect on the importance of HBCUs. Can you
can you talk to us about it? Melissa oh man, Um,
I mean, if I'm gonna be honest, family changed my life,
Like honestly, it changed my life. I before I got
to fam you, I didn't know how culturally diverse Black

(41:58):
people are. Um, I didn't. I didn't really know how
to fill myself. I didn't know what made um a
special And like you know, when you grow up, you
always here that you know, we have to work prices hard,
and I think at an institution like FAMU and like
other HBCUs, you know, you're surrounded by black excellence, so

(42:22):
it doesn't become something that that you have to strive for,
it becomes your default. So FAM you taught fam You
taught me how to make excellence to my default. And
it taught me how to have just such such pride
in the diversity of black people. Now I'm from Detroit,
so Detroit is one of the blackest cities in America.

(42:43):
Is not the blackest city in America. So I've always had, like,
you know, the very strong racial pride. Like I've always
been a very proud black woman, but like going to
FAMU it really cemented that. And and I'm I'm just
really proud to have had merely black experiences because I've
never had the question who I am. I've never I've

(43:05):
never been in an environment where I felt the need
to assimilate, even when I was working on Wall Street
and I'm surrounded by you know, older white men. It
was my days at FAM YOU that prepared me for
those moments. So, like, I just really feel so blessed
to have have gone to that university. If I'm gonna
be honest, well, I'm just telling you, congratulations also it

(43:26):
also taught you that that be fearless obviously in developing
this liber Yeah, let's talk about because I mentioned the
newsletter and I and how it was the most clicked
um a banner or link in my newsletter that week.
How did the marketing starts talking? You talked about the product, okay,

(43:48):
and how you developed that. Let's talk about the marketing
and the art work. How did that come about and
who did you work with? So it's a couple of
different facets of the lit bar as a company. So
number one, I always say that that we don't like
the product is just something that we happen to sell,
But what we do is empower women. So like what

(44:11):
we do as a company is empower women and remind
them that they are enough. And then what we happen
to sell the byproduct of that is you know, these
vegan and cruelty free and high quality makeup products that
we actually sail on the website. So just understanding that
our goal is always to remind people that they are
enough and to allow themselves to be seen within the

(44:32):
beauty industry, that then dictated the rest of the marketing.
So if our goal is like okay, we're gonna increase
representation within the beauty industry, then that automatically decides what
models we use. So we're not going to use the
same models that you see in every single and and
every other ad because that is that is the default.
And we're trying to expand the minds of our customers

(44:54):
and show them that they are enough. So so it's
a lot of storytelling, and that storytelling really comes from,
you know, who we are as a company and who
we who we're trying to serve as a company. So
you know, we make sure that we're using you know,
women of all complexions, deep deep skin tone, um women
with no hair, women who are plus sized, the women

(45:16):
who um are Muslim. We're we're using all sorts of
women just to show that again, beauty doesn't come in
one shape or size, or one hair texture or one complexion.
Beauty isn't all of us. And so that really dictates
the marketing and it's just constantly telling the stories of
those women because ultimately, that's that's what it's about. It's

(45:37):
not about the product. It's about how this product makes
that woman feel and where this woman uses the product.
You know, where is this product accompanying her in her life. Um,
and that's that's really like what dictates all of our marketing.
Well he's done with it? Well, yeah do I'm on
the website now and seeing this as six products seven

(45:57):
minutes your full faith? What exactly is that? Yeah? I'm
so have you asked? So we just launched our fast
face system. It's called fast Face System, right yet, fast face? Yeah?
Slow down? You know, I got six sisters. But you
you know, just a world. I gotta stay, stay in

(46:19):
the loop with you. Don't you just race out there
like your boy. Know what you're talking about here? Okay,
I feel you. I feel so. So it's called the
fast Face. I found is that a lot of women
buy makeup and wear makeup, but they don't really know
how to use it, and they all really know what

(46:40):
works for them. It's kind of like when you go
to the grocery store if you don't know how to cook,
and you're just buying a bunch of seasonings, but you
still don't know how to put them in youth. It's
very it's a very funny analogy. It's very funny. I
like that, Yeah, you can't cook, then you can't cook.
You get buy every easy thing in the store, don't

(47:01):
make it mean that addition, don't turn off better. And
so we've we've found that a lot of women were
buying makeup products but didn't really know what worked for them,
what worked for their complexion, how to use the product
um And so we were like, we need to solve
the problem of the lack of education around makeup because

(47:21):
makeup is one of those things that that's been around
for a really long time. You just automatically expect that
people know what they're doing, but they don't. Like my
my customers are not makeup artists. They're not the people
who are watching YouTube videos. They don't have time, you know,
they're raising kids, or they're they're growing in their careers,
or they're just spending time more time on what actually matters.

(47:44):
And I'm gonna be honest, we've we've never believed that
makeup was the most important thing, and it should never be.
So we were like, okay, well, how do we allow
our customers to show up there as their best selves
without having to spend so much time trying to learn it.
So we launched our Face, our fast Faced system, which
is basically like the proactive of makeup where in six

(48:07):
products and it's designed to give you your full makeup
look in seven minutes or less. And we tell you exactly,
you know how to use the products, and we curate
what works for your complexion for you. So once we
know your foundation, we select all the rest of the
products for you, so you don't have to think about
what Blessed works from my complection, what likst it works

(48:28):
for me. If we know your skin tone, then we
select every single item in that fast Face kid, this
is awesome. Um so I'm just looking at your sight here,
I'm looking at her site as uh, the lip bar
dot com. That's why I got the information about the
six products, seven minute minutes your full face, which is
the fast faced system that she was talking about. And

(48:49):
then you have then then I clicked tutorials and then
you have the was that the fast Faced challenge right there? Yeah,
that's that's that's so much fun. That's like the content out.
You know, I'm just going through your site having fun.
I'm just always just clicking just but you know, I'm

(49:09):
very complimentary of you because of the fact that, uh,
it's a you know, everything I love walking in I
love branding I love trying to figure out what white
people relate to anything. First of all, your your lines
and your artwork clean. They're very clean, and and and
and everything's very it's it's just it's just almost like

(49:31):
it's three dimensional, but it's not. It's just done that well.
And so you tell a really good, fun story on
your website, and that's important because you know it's online,
it's online business, and so you're not working out of
a storefront, and so that is important. So when I'm
just having fun and going, I'm at the fast Faced

(49:52):
Challenge that clicked tutorials. I got options, I'm not I'm
not limited. I got the shade find I got the eye,
the face, the lips, the as faced kids. All this
good stuff is a guy. I'm a guy now, older
guy that not wearing in it. And I'm having fun.
So I can imagine that the women that come to
your site, and now I can see why your site
was so clicked. When people they click, they had to

(50:15):
come back. This is fun, This is fun. You tell
a great story that's hilarious. Thank you. Honestly, we had
to learn how to tell that story because when we
when we launched, you know, a lot of small businesses
out there. You don't you don't have money to launch
into a retail store. You don't have money to open
your own store. So we were like, all right, well,

(50:35):
we're selling something that people traditionally buy in person. How
do we make the most impactful moment possible online to
give that customer confidence to place in that order. Now
we have a little bit of flexibility because we're on
Target stores across the country. I mean, that's a little

(50:56):
bitty town aking okay, doing the girl Columbia sok at
the town that Columbia, rock Hill, South Carolina, Charlotte, North Carolina.
Congratulations here this is all I mean when when they
you crossed the board here, So you know, I also
know that they can buy you through the Amazon because

(51:16):
I went online, you know Amazon. I'll be I'll be
doing my little research. I don't know if you know, miss,
but I don't just get on the phone just start
talking to somebody trying to confused. I've done my homework
on you, and you got your little act together, little
miss fam you little miss I was in New York
just doing it and I got tired. I just went
on back home. Detroit said, hey, I'm gonna make it happen,

(51:37):
and you all making it happen. If you had to
say anything to anybody who listened to your shows. The
lift bar dot com our own lines of very use
in front of side. You can go to the store
locator and find out the nearest target near you. And
believe me, it's gonna be a target near you. I'm
going through this little thing and it's it's so you know,
when you scroll down, you get tied scrolling down. I'm

(52:00):
tired of scrolling down. That's how many target stories she's
she's wearing me at Warren, Michigan, Greenville Northline. I'm telling
you something I I as a stand up comic. I
used to travel this country all over. I know how
small Greenville, North Carolina. See that's a compliment. See when
you're in cities like Greenville, North Clina, that means everybody
buying her product. Everybody understands the value of her product.

(52:23):
And it's only get bigger. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. This is awesome.
I'm excited for you. What's the what's the what's the
goal here? Ms Butler, Well, you're gonna take over the world.
You are hious. I'm excited for you. You know, this
is a beauty of Chester Peake, Virginia. You're just rocking

(52:45):
the rod Woodbridge, Virginia. I mean just just you' all
the target stories. This is beautiful. So what's the what's
the what's the ultimate goal here? My friend? You know,
it just started out to make sure that everybody should
not understand that beauty doesn't start with the product starts
with them. Then the product only enhances it. And and
it's organic, it's vegan, you know, and it's not cruelty related.

(53:08):
What's the future, lip bar? The future just to make
sure that every woman knows that they are enough and
to keep growing this, this black owned business as big
as it can so that we can start reinvesting in
our community. Well, my friend, I'm gonna drop you back
at my news letter this time. You know it's coming.
I'm sure it's gonna be the most click thing in

(53:29):
my newsletter. And uh god, bless you girl, don't you change.
I'm glad I got you on my show like ms
Abouski war that's my girl. She introduced me to you.
My staff already knew about you because I'm an old dude,
don't know nothing about the lipstick. But now I do
cause I know where the lip bar dot com is.

(53:50):
I got the story local, i'mna take my little twitter
two year old daughters say, let's go lip bar shopping. Okay, oh,
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television user, best known for her current role as the

(56:02):
start of we TV's hit series Braxton Family Values. She's
also an entrepreneur of Ladybug Skincare, new cosmetic line. That's
why I really got on the show. She's an entrepreneur
of y'all. The products are created for all skin types
and gives the user a young, natural and refreshing glow.
Please work with the money making conversation, my friend. To
wind up, Braxton, thank you for having you. Know, Tota,

(56:27):
I want to just tell you, thank you for doing
the show. And the first time I want I was
sitting in the screening room and uh, it was a
misguided behavioral movie makes I was screaming that movie with
a good friend of my Sharon Tomlinson. It's a very
good friend of mine. Pray for her every day. And
uh and so and I said, who's that? Who's that?

(56:47):
She says, Because I don't want look at reality shows
all the time, I said, Now, I formerly managed Steve Harvey,
and I remember you guys came into our studios in
Atlanta and we interviewed guys as a group. We had
all stacked up, some of y'all in front, I'm all
in the back road. So I met you then, okay,
and so we have a little physical history of meeting

(57:08):
you and I go. I know I told her that.
I know, I told her, just an acting debut. You
need me on the stage doing your thing and there. So,
so you talk about that, that's a love that I
saw in you, a skill I saw in you that
surprised me. And and you know, I'm a guy always

(57:30):
looking for new talent, always looking for different ways to
to bring people to the forefront of their their dreams.
That's all I'm assuming acting, there's a dream of yours.
Talk about that the whole acting background, because you get
caught up in the reality the world and people think
that's all you want to do, that's all you can't
do because you're already known as a notable singer. But
just talk about their love for acting to wander. Okay,

(57:51):
So like back in the day when I was a child,
I used to always be in all the elementary school plays.
And then when I got to h Junior high school,
I was in all the plays then. Um and then
you know, I always made sure I went I didn't
go against the grain when it came to my family

(58:12):
because singing with the family's business. Um. So when when
I went to college, I um we did when we
said university, you talk about that? So um And we

(58:32):
did off Broadway show called String Girls and I played
Larrell Um and this was in Maryland. And then the
director was also a professor at Howard University UM, and
he was also a personal friend of the families. And
he never knew that I really wanted to act. So

(58:53):
when you know, he as the director, he always called
me about my character named Mourel. Did you did you've
ever take any acting classes? And I was like, al Sir,
I never took any. He was like, are you kidding me?
And I'd be like, al sir. And all the actors
that he had in the play outside of me and
my sisters were from Howard University UM, and they were
just amaze that I never took any classes. He was like,

(59:14):
you have a raw talent. He said, Um, I want
to give you a theater scholarship at Howard University. And
I didn't take it. I turned it down because for one,
like I said, I was in the family's business and
the family's business of singing, although my passion and my
love was acting always, and you have a talent for

(59:37):
thank you, thank you, thank you. So I went ahead
and did the family thing. You know, we me, Tamar
and Trina signed with air Aris I'm sorry, I'm Atlantic Records.
And we tried. We we toured with muth of van
Ross in al sitter Tony. So, I mean we had
some moderate success that the overseas. UM, but I still

(59:58):
really wanted to add so I took some I started
taking some acting classes um in Atlanta. I mean, I
was really trying to own into my craft. Um. And
then I was accepted into a Lee Straussburg acting classes
in l A. Um, you can active there, Okay, you

(01:00:20):
act the rest that dude right there for a person
and that right. So I was really I was so
excited that I was accepted into that school. So I'm
a good friend of mine. He's like a brother. He's
like one of my male best friends in the business.
Carl Payne, he said yes, she said, come on, tee,

(01:00:44):
I got this movie. I want you to be in
this movie. And um, I was like cool. And then
and then what I love about having friends like like
Carl is he didn't just have me in the movie
just because I was his friends. You know what I
mean I had I mean, I had to work towards
you know because me being his friend. If he was

(01:01:04):
just doing it as my friend, he would have made
me in the least. And he was like, no, this
is what you're gonna do. So he gave me a
part in the movie. U. I earned a part in
the movie Get the Time, right, earned right. I earned
a part in the movie. And I was so super
super happy. Um, that was my That was the first
time that I really got my feat wet um as

(01:01:26):
being an actor in the in the movie. When I
when I always talk about people on the show about entertainment, entrepreneurship,
and I always tell people to value and the importance
of relationships. Okay, this is this is what I speak
of when I say relationships because again, you know, we
were talented, we'll get you so far. I would tell

(01:01:48):
relationships will keep you in the game. Okay, yeah, And
this is what you could talk about the value relationship
not only just the opportunity you got with you know,
calling this movie, but also in the industry overall. How
to help you having been having a relationship of having
talent and extending you and giving you a career in
this business. Absolutely, yes, So you know what, it's one

(01:02:11):
thing about just having the the UM. I guess the
gift of whether it's singing, act and producing is one thing.
Just to have that gift of being able to do
those things is another thing. Of how you perceive yourself
in front of individuals. And I always say that the
st the toes that you step on today may be

(01:02:33):
connected to the ask you have to kiss tomorrow. So
you have to be extremely careful with how you treat people.
You just have to, you know, I know in in
the entertainment industry, people get on your nerves. Everybody isn't
always on the up and up and people there are
a lot of users, not just an entertainment industry but

(01:02:53):
across the board in the world. UM. So you have
to be careful UM. And you have to be sharp
as well. So it's very important to maintain relationships. Just
be nice to people. It doesn't take nothing, just to
smile and just to say thank you, um and and
those things will take you a long way. Like um

(01:03:14):
and it took me to another situation where I've been.
I'm very close friends with Terry Vaughan and Cast Figgers,
who who's an incredible writer. She's written Yes, Yes and
she and and Terry is she's an incredible or phenomenal
actor and she's a phenomenal director. Um so I was able.

(01:03:35):
I was able to um have an opportunity to be
in another movie and it was a Christmas movie with
David and Tamela. Man keep braggingly embracing the fact that

(01:03:56):
this is something that I love, so I get excited about,
you know. I mean I talked about my music and
I talked about singing with my family. But that's to me,
that's like second nature. That's like greeting, you know, And
that's something that was the family, which is important, Which
is important. It's so important, and that's why that's that's
why I wanted to bring that out because a lot

(01:04:17):
of a lot of times people they want to just
label you on what they know about you. And when
I try to get money making conversations allow my guests
to have a conversation and also to talk about the
things that excite them. Because like you know, I got
my degree in mathematics, I wanted to work for EEL.
It's just like you said, you know, you know, family
bears a singing, but that doesn't necessarily make I was

(01:04:38):
going to be working at ibing for the rest of
my life. So now it's time to explore what makes
me happy, what motivates me to get out of bed,
and you have to take rest. They're no, they're no guarantees.
Now it's guarantee you can go on that stage and
hit the note not to wander. There's no guarantee. You
don't know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.

(01:04:59):
Nothing that's that's doesn't But a gift doesn't necessarily mean
that's your passion, right, You got to speak on that come.
That's that's why I brought you on the show. You
didn't know why he was coming on this show. You said, Okay,
I hear by RuSHA. They got me schedule for this show.
Money make comes in. I'm gonna make this phone call

(01:05:20):
and see what's going on, you know, just the promotion.
But I can't tell everybody but your story, your story
of a motivation, story about following your truths. And that's
where law is about your truths. But you know, when
the business making money, so we'll do some things to
make money to pay the bills. But remember, in the end,
before you die, before you before you give up hope,

(01:05:42):
at least try to participating what you really wanted to do.
And so so when I saw you a miss guy
to behave, I started smile and I said, yeah, I
remember she came. She came with Steve Harvey. She I
had a booked on our show, and that the first
time I mentioned it was a casual meeting. And to
see you there because because to me, reality shows it

(01:06:03):
what they are there their reality. You know what I'm
saying there there, and some of the ways are improvised
in some of them over arched. I'm not saying your show,
but in general and so so, but that's not acting.
And so when I say a naturally talented person skilled
look comfortable, because I know the difficultures of acting. When
I look at acting, I go wow. I really appreciate

(01:06:24):
people who can translate words because I did Tom come
from Jamie Foxx, the Parkers Sister sister. So I've seen
my words come to life a lot, and so to
see you do that, to want to don't stop, please,
don't stop. Thank you, Thank you, thank you for saying that.
Thank you. Be right back on, lady. I'm gonna go

(01:06:46):
to this break. We're gonna go to this break. I
gotta talk about your entrepreneur career and also just talk
about you though, what did you gain and the lessons
you learned of doing a reality series and things like that,
But just to just to understand point of its just
a career, because we all know that's a stepping stone
and you want to bigger steps and higher steps on
that ladder. I would like to stop the show for

(01:07:07):
a minute because I'm an advocate. I did not go
to an hbc U, but that doesn't stop me from
being an advocate and promoting HBCU is because of the
fact that the contributions that they bring to us that
a lot of people don't recognize on a regular basis.
Please tell us about attending HBCU. Why you recommend, you know,
individuals to go to black and white male female to

(01:07:29):
go to HBCUs. Well, you know what, First of all, UM,
when I was growing up and I went to my
secondary schools, it was predominantly white. And I have to
say that, UM, I know this is gonna sound bad
to say, but culturally, Um, it was a cultural shock
for me to even go to Booty State University because

(01:07:50):
I saw so many of my people. But I think
it's so important, Um, for us to embrace HBCUs, to
support hbc USED because that's how we learn. We learned
from other individuals, that's in our own culture, you know.
And I learned so much stuff that I didn't learn
when I was in school because of course they don't

(01:08:12):
teach everything, and you know your secondary schools. I mean,
I learned about the isis paper. I learned. I mean
I just started reading stuff. I had no idea about UM.
And then just culturally, wed black Black people were party
different we speak differently, we support differently, and I just
think that that's so important to go to an HBCU

(01:08:34):
and I pledged. I'm a zata and I'm a sick
a sweetheart nine member. Okay, you're talking to a man
right now, right, so right, I think we're going for
and then and then the reason that I even pledge

(01:08:57):
data UM is because I went to this UM. I
went to this nonprofit dinner and I had no idea
that we was sponsored by the Blue and White Family
and UM Mayor Barry was there. I mean, there was
so many prominent people there because I'm from the the
DNB area, UM and the dinner was NBC and baby Faces.

(01:09:17):
But he just went because the baby Face was performing.
I got tickets, you know, and he get to the table,
So maybe Face was performing. After seven was there Cavan
and El DeBarge there was performing. And then they started
talking about a lot of a lot of men with
high pitched voices were performing. That's that's really really sick

(01:09:39):
talking about or you know how Laskey kids in the
board of Babies and all of that. And I had
no idea that the Blue and White Family was connected
to those organizations. And I was like, wow. And I'm
not a person who really brags about everything that I
do or you know, I don't always want to paddle
my back for supporting or helping some one, and that

(01:10:01):
was more of my personality. So I was like, oh
my god, I want to join the organization. And I
became Zeta and the single sweetheart. Congratulations. I always tell people,
you know, when I talk about HBC overbcus across the
country and the only a role of the African American
student and despite constitute only three percent for your colleges
in the country, HBC used produced eight percent of the

(01:10:24):
black judges, of the black lawyers, of the black doctors,
forty of the black engineers of the Black members of converences,
percent of all Black STEM graduates and of the black
CEOs in America. That is why I needed to hear
your story of Towanda, because it's in that mix that

(01:10:45):
we need to keep telling people when every year talking
about we need to why we funding HBCUs? Do you
know how you have to? What else do we have? Really? Um?
And then another thing is I don't agree with like
some of these EPCs. You It's like, why are they
falling apart? Why are they falling by the wayside? Because
even State University, who was the first teacher's college in

(01:11:07):
Maryland might add black, sorry the first black because college
now it's under the University of Maryland system, And I'm
like how it happens? Right? Well, you know I think
that that's why I'm really promoting and I got some
things under the work said I'm gonna be announcing in
the month of August just to shine more light. And
it's like anything you know, you don't know about Ohio State,

(01:11:28):
you don't know about Maryland. Because people's promoted and this
brand has to be promoted and signed the light of success.
Like those numbers that I'm talking about, they need to
be shined on a regular basis, not only just the
African Americans, but to the world, and people go, really,
what kind of education that they're doing over there, education
that your kids can go to, your kids can go to,

(01:11:49):
because it's it's the it's HBCUs are tied to diversity,
and that's something that a lot of people don't admit
to happening. And so and so in twenty eleven when
they was like a really strategized campaign to try to
diminish the accomplishments of HBCUs and hurt HBCUs. And so

(01:12:09):
my motivation now is like, okay with Sean, you know
this is what you do. You're marking in brain. And
so whenever I have a fantastic person who's attending an
HPCU like you, I always just like carve out a
moment in the show. Do you think you're tap dance boy?
Come on, do you think they're th HBC moment? What's
about to do with that? I'm gonna set aside my
time for h b c U s and it's gonna

(01:12:31):
get bigg to wander. Now. Did I know now that
I know blue and white, blue white, you can be
here from your boy, But before we get out here,
I'll be remiss. But I if I don't talk about
your entrepreneurship and if let's let's let's talk about first
of all, Um, you know we talked about acting. Now

(01:12:52):
we're gonna talk about Ladybug skincare. Yea, let's let's let's
set to to Wanda's deemed itself as responsible for you know, okay, acne,
dull skin and other skin impurities. It's a new cosmetic
cosmetic line. What inspired you to do this? Because you're
naturally attractive. You got good skin, Like I said, God

(01:13:13):
gave it to you. Okay, I didn't have to work hard.
You're the women that don't have to work hard for
our face. Okay with her face all good? Okay, But
everybody's not like you, Okay, Tamantha, right exactly exactly. Um.
You know what, I've always been a person who didn't
really drink water. I don't like drinking. I love, Oh

(01:13:34):
my god, unless your heart it tastes like askering to.
But I always wanted my skin to look amazing, right. Um.
So I met with Miss Charlotte Wilson, who is the
skin god like. She's incredible with skin like she does
Porsche skin she does um, um wasn't a black China
skin Who's entre skin is impeccable. Um, she does Lisa

(01:13:58):
raised skin. Her skin is most tawless, uh, Cynthia Bailly.
I mean she does everybody's skin. And then I met
up with Miss Charlotte and I was like, I want
my skin to look like like I don't have any
makeup and I don't want to wear makeup like that anymore.
And she was like, I got you. Um and she
was like, Twanta, you have good skin because all like

(01:14:19):
I said, I've always been into skin and I have
skin and be like most women when you go to
when you see a woman who has beautiful skin, you
always compliment her like, oh my god, you skin is beautiful. Um.
So she said let's do a line together, and I
was like, oh my god. I felt so honored that
she was willing to do a line with me because,
like I said, she's a skin guy. Like that's amazing.

(01:14:39):
Everybody wants to do a line with Miss Charlotte. Um
so um. She sent me some samples of different soaps
and different combinations of things, and um we we came
up with um ages timeless so it's a it's an
anti aging um skin care line. And I'm I'm a
woman of a particular age now I'm past forty. So

(01:15:03):
I used to have I used to I used to
look like a panda bear like without bake up. I
used to have dark circles gonna make my eyes. And
I thought it was because I wasn't drinctly enough water,
wasn't enough rest. But it was because my pigmentation and
a little of it is that hereditary. So my dad
used to have it. When he started using Ladybugs. Seme here,
he doesn't have dark circles anymore. Okay, okay, stop it.

(01:15:25):
That's my that's my curse right there, dark circle, you're
telling me, don't get mad at you because you're boy,
I'm gonna gonna make a purchase. That I'm gonna make
a purchase. You said that ladybugs can't care, can give
rid circle, dark circles. Okay, I'm stark circles and and

(01:15:47):
and then it get rid of some of the fine
lines and wrinkles, doesn't run your eyes. That happens after
you become a particular age um. And then it reju
and ate and it restores, and it takes away a
layer of the dead skin that you've bring caring around
for so long that you did not know that you
were carrying around because you you know, you were exfoliating,
but you weren't exfoliating properly with the right ingredients. Again,

(01:16:08):
the ladybugs in't here is all natural? Yeah, because you
know I used mirror. I used mirror, and you know
when I used you know, and so you know, and
that's expensive. Okay, So it's not a portion of It's
not a question of money with me. It's right getting
the right product that that you know, just kind of
hold back some days, not years, just hold back some
days off my face. That's all. I'm just trying to

(01:16:29):
hold back some days. That's all to want. Okay. And
you're telling me I'm talking to the ladybugs. Can just
talking just we're gonna do. First of all, I'm gonna
make an order. But but I got to get the
word out. I'm not saying you don't have the word. Okay.
I do news for every Friday, goes out at nine
a m. Every Friday to ninety thousand of my fans.

(01:16:52):
Everything every Friday. Like last week I had Yolanda Adams
Husky Loads and Venus and Venus Williams Hub beauty line.
I had Kelly Rowlands and I had Erica Campbell her
Wig line in there. So every four, every week I
feature four you know, it's free. First of all, it's free.
Let's just later, and I feature four entrepreneurs. That's for

(01:17:13):
my shots about you know, entrepreneurship and entertainment and so
and so. I thought it would be cool to put
you know, friends of mine, other people I didn't know.
But your product is worth being it's the story being
told out there. And so if you can get to
me banner and a in a link or whatever you
want to drive it to, if you want to do,
if you want to say, or whatever you want to do,

(01:17:34):
I would put it in my newsletter. No charge has
never been a charge. It's not tied to a charge
because Ladybucks can't care. First of all, has me as
a customer right now, okay, And I want to just
change them to wander. I want them foolish people. Okay.
When I like something, I go my wife forgo cool boy.
We just stopped buying stuff. Hey, I like what I like? Okay, yeah,

(01:18:01):
it's gonna love it. I'm telling you I have so
many success stories and it makes me smile because that's
just doing your skin. That's one thing that you can
take by yourself and what you're being the largest organ
of your body and it just happens to be on
the outside of your body. Why not make that one
organ beautiful? You know, I'm so excited about Ladybugs skincare um.

(01:18:23):
I use it, my family uses it. Tamar uses it,
you know, right, and you already know Tamar the type
of person. Let me think country behind. Everybody don't know
how country is. Well, I'm gonna tell you this to one.
You owe me a banner. You got me as a customer.

(01:18:44):
I just want to first of all, thank you for
coming on my show, because thank you for having everybody's
doing my show. I feel so blest that I get
a person like you on my show and other other
talent that's coming on my show and hearing about my
brand and hearing how I want to just tell that story,
but but I was to promote their brands and promote
what they're doing with their life. Besides the story that
everybody knows you have an open break, you are an HBC,

(01:19:08):
you grant, you are a memory of the divine node.
And you are an entrepreneur, lady books can't care, and
more importantly, you are an actress. And thank you for
coming to my show to Wander Braxton. Thank you for
this amazing I mean by so fast like I'm well,

(01:19:32):
that means but you gotta give me that better, gotta
give me that links. I take care of you. I will.
I'm gonna call and make sure he sends it to you.
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He's an h B c U graduate of Hampton University.

(01:21:19):
He obtained his bachelor's degree in two thousand four, master's
degree in two thousand five, followed by his PhD. He's
a doctor, y'all. He has dedicated his professional career to education,
specializing in serving schools and organizations that serve urban and
culturally diverse communities. Teach, hustle, Inspire offers driven and passionate
educators a transformatal a transformational experience in a way that

(01:21:43):
is fun, engaging in life changing. Please work for the
money made conversation for the very first time, Dr Sean Woodley,
thank you so so much for having me. I'm excited
to be here. I'm I tell you that. Yeah, everything
right though, you know, you know I how to make
sure I brought you, brought you the forefront, right doctor,
That's all I'm saying. Man, very much appreciate that. Thank you, sir. Well,

(01:22:09):
we're we're we're are yet right now in this in
this in this country of America. We're yet right now, sir.
I'm not too far from you here in Atlanta, Okay, great? Great? Um.
You know education, I know I come from Houston, Texas,
born in fifth ward. Uh. My degrees in the mathematics
and my money and sociology, so I know they important
of continued education. I always tell people who always tell

(01:22:32):
young people just go to college and just just see
what college has to offer to you. How it changed
my life. Education changed my life. I would not be
talking to you because when I came out of high school, Sean,
I wanted to be a forklift driver and got a
job as a forklif driver. That was my dream because
that was those were my mentors. My mentors were guys
who don't load the trucks. From I was fifteen, sixteen

(01:22:53):
years old, I saw it. I went, wow, this is cool,
and that stayed in my mind. Despite having my best friend,
she Gret she went to Rice and graduated. My other
best friends she went to Purdue and graduate. So it
wasn't like I was. I was surrounded by a bunch
of dummies. My whole little crew was smart and I
was smart too, But I wanted to take the easy
way out, a comfortable way out. I felt, you know,

(01:23:15):
get to that, get to that finish line real quick.
But but what But that wasn't the right finish line
for me. So when we were talking about education, that's
your passion, I just wanted to tee it up for
how the type of conversation I'm gonna have with you
and we're gonna go into a lot of things and
these UH in this call we have today. But I
want to let you know the guy you're talking to
was the guy who who was was was not there.

(01:23:36):
I was not that was not motivated to pursue a
four year opportunity and academics and and and it changed
my life. So talk to us about UH. Education and
from your standpoint, I firmly believe that education and is
just really it's a key that can unlock so many

(01:23:58):
doors in so many different directions. One of the limiting
things that I'm working very very hard for, particularly in
urban and culturally diverse schools, as you mentioned, is exposure.
We need to be sure that we the bright young
scholars in these four walls, in the four walls of
these classrooms across this country are being exposed so that

(01:24:20):
they have something to shoot for, and education can do that.
What are we exposing them to? What are we allowing
them to see? And more importantly, what are we allowing
them to see and how they think into that as
it can be a contributing member to society. What are
we showing them, what are we putting them and how
does it connect to their everyday lives. Whether we understand

(01:24:45):
the value and importance of that or not, it is
absolutely critical. We need to make sure that we are
showing these students what is possible. And that's why I
work so hard so that they can see something to
shoot for. Let that service the engine that rides them,
whether it is that four year degree, whether it is
that a two year degree, whether it is a trade,

(01:25:05):
something beyond just going to do the quote unquote their minimum.
And I making sense absolutely because I always tell people that,
you know, you can't readport or degree. Okay, my degree
in that wall. Nobody's gonna come back and say, hey man,
you know some I'm gonna take that back. They can't
do that. I earned that. You know you can. You
can't call me stupid, you can't call me a dummy.

(01:25:27):
It's right there. Okay, what story are you telling that?
I've been recognized as a person who knows how to
apply himself. I'm goal oriented, okay, and I know how
to finish what I start. That's what the degree means
to me. And when I talk about when listen to
your passion is a passion that I didn't have because
I did not understand And so and we know that

(01:25:49):
the stop gap or the the or the jump off
point in this game of competition that we call in
this country we call America is education because it's not equal.
Education not equal, and so which leads to a different story.
And I think that private sect, private sector should come
in and stop trying that we should stop trying to
get the government to fix the situation. I feel, I

(01:26:10):
believe the sexual sector come in because they're the ones
who seek our money in movies, seek our money, android
phones they seek our money, and technology they seek our money,
and grocery stores they seek our money in so many
different ways. But they don't return that money to us
when it comes to lifestyle, when it comes to education

(01:26:31):
making a difference in our community, because they they've they've, they've, they've,
they've they've, they've developed a nice system, they keep the money.
They don't help out anybody but themselves, okay, And then
they said the government is supposed to do that. So
so that's one of the things that we know when
I look at this change in our community is civil unrest,
the pandemic. You know, I'm sitting down trying to create

(01:26:53):
an agenda, a plan of action, and the plan of
action is the old way ain't gonna work for the
new way. So we have to hit a new plan
in place for the new way to even have a
shot at working. And it has to include the private sector.
And that's that's a that's a statement from me. And
when I talked to me, to worldly people like you,

(01:27:15):
educated people like you, who know what I'm talking about
when I say education is not equal because it's tied
to it's tied to property tax. You know, it's tied
to the lot of program in each state, which doesn't
really do anything for education, like they say, because most
of the program goes most of the money goes to
the company that sets up a lot of and so
and so these things drive me. I've been fortunate. Man.

(01:27:39):
You can google my name and there's a lot of
things come up about me, and so you have you
have an image of who I am or idea who
I am? Who is Dr Shaun Woodley? Let me tell
you something, Dr Sean Woodley is. I'm a husband, i
am a father, I am a believer, and I am
an educator. I do a lot of things under that

(01:28:02):
education umbrella, but it all boils that back down to
being an educator. I get to leverage my creativity um
in what I do, and that has that fuels my
passion for entrepreneurship. I've been able to uniquely combine the
field of education and entrepreneurship to not only do what

(01:28:24):
I love, but serve others while doing it. It's like
the it's it's like a beautiful mix that allows me
to be who I authentically am at this while at
the same time giving back and contributing to society, making
a difference in the lives of teachers who evidently make

(01:28:44):
a difference in the lives of their students. That that
is who I am, and that is how I think.
That is what I believe God to give to me
is to give to the world. Right. You know, when
I when I look at your HBCU grad I said
that your curtis Hampton State University. You know, just tell
you this, doctor, Dr Sean. I get a lot of
HBCU Hampton guests on my show. I think it because

(01:29:07):
of the executive producer of the show. She graduated from
Hampton University. I think, really she graduated and I seem
to get a lot of I'm not disappointed. At end
of the guests I'm just telling you straight out standing
guests like you come on my show from Happy University.
But I think I think she's using my brand to

(01:29:30):
promote the brand of Hampton University, which is an outstand
at HBCU school. So tell us about your HBCU experience
and the value of attending a school like HBCU, school
like Hampton University. Let me tell you something. Hampton University
is my family. I stand by it, and it was
absolutely one of the best decisions I've ever made. The

(01:29:52):
reason that I ended up at Hampton or I grew
up in New York and my father uh raising us
in the church. He was a musician to Hampton University
every year during the summer has Ministers and Musicians conference
that my father attends all the time. He's the one
that told me about Hampton University. And this goes back

(01:30:14):
to what you mentioned earlier about kind of why how
we can promote the idea of education to the youth.
I was never told in high school about HBCUs, about
what schools like Hampton A and t Spellman Morehouse. I
would never exposed to those things other than what my

(01:30:36):
family told me. And I'm so glad that my dad
put that battery in my back at a young age
to be aware of what Hampton was doing and how
it could benefit me. Uh. He took me down there
to take the tour of the campus. We went as
a family, my mom, my brothers, and after that we
you know, I have two uh younger siblings actually three

(01:30:57):
excuse me, in that far HBCU attend and or graduates.
So like, this is something that I feel I was
able to set an example for them because of what
my dad and my mom showed me and my as
we like to say, my matriculation that wonderful, you know,
it was. It was life altering for me, if I

(01:31:20):
could say, because I mean what I've learned there, who
I met, it was it was a microcosm of just
really love and education, um that you yearn for that
you cannot get at another p w Y you can't
get that. I ask any HBCU crab and they'll tell

(01:31:43):
you about that family element that you just you can
you can imitate, but you can't duplicate that. I love it.
I love it. I'm talking to my man, Dr Sean Woodley.
He is a half the universe. The hbc U two
thousand four bachelor is good. Huh. Two thousand four bachelor's degree,

(01:32:04):
two thousand five master's degree, then followed up with his PhD.
We're gonna be back and more, talking about his brand
of education, his books, all those great things, and first
of all, he know now about money main covers. You
know a lot of people call my show. They call,
you know, people tell them it's to show the call.
But once they get here, I talked, they hear my past.
His brother right here, he's on my list now. So

(01:32:26):
when I called, when he when he called me to
be on this show, our absolutely with a Okay. They
took me seven years to get my degree. Uh, I
was arrogant. I thought I'd be in and out. But
what I did when I went to college, I was
just trying. I'm gonna tell you something, Dr Sean. I
was just trying to go to I was trying to
find an easy degree. Okay, the first four and a

(01:32:48):
half yield. I was looking for the easy degree. My
friends go, he's an easy teacher. He's an easy teacher.
I went to and when they had no symbtoms of
what they had to do with my degree plan, I
was trying to find easy teachers. I found them all,
and then I found one easy teaching in physics that
gave me an elf that woked me up. That woked
me up because they realized that you have to work.

(01:33:09):
Life is about working hard and being consistent. And when
I look at your brand, when you talk about education,
you have to be consistent and you have to create
a model that people can believe it and can use
to teach other people. Talk about your brain a little bit.
Dr Sean Sure, Sure, I'm I am preach and teach, teach, hustle,

(01:33:30):
inspire and and here's what it means. Teach, hustle, inspire
is not just three particular words that I randomly put
together and threw it up as a logo. They have
intention behind each of those. When I talk about teach,
it's about how we unlock our students and our own
intellectual treasure. That's what it means. How can we create

(01:33:52):
transformative learning experiences for ourselves, for our students in our classroom.
That hustle park, That's that's my Favorit reports that hustle
is about how we can't stop that won't stop learning.
Mr McDonald see here, and it kind of has that
nineties dd bad boy vibe twins to it just a
little bit. That's that's my personality in there, in there

(01:34:13):
a little bit. But how do we keep how do
we stay on top of the current research, How do
we stay on top of what we need to know
to continue because see, education don't stop, Education does not stop.
How do we continue to learn to be that the
best we can for ourselves and our students and that
inspire it means to spread love and likely what we

(01:34:36):
do with educators, that can be a thankless profession. Sometimes
with the inequities in the curriculums that we see, with
the inequities and distribution of funds, we sometimes we feel
like we're all we have. So we have to be
sure that we're spreading that love and like to one another,
pouring back into ourselves and taking care of ourselves so
that we can take care of our families. You can't

(01:34:58):
give from what out that. It's really amazing when I
when I think about it, you know, when we still
talk about unequal education and we still talk about, you know,
denying people an opportunity to get an equal education, and
that's usually tied to the community that you grow up
in and you're in Atlanta in the South, and you

(01:35:21):
know that that what you really was the reason we
have HBCUs because it was a time where the southern
schools wouldn't let a black person in the school and
then the northern school headquarters or limitations. So it was
out of necessity that we had to create these hbc
used which are now the backbone of education, especially for
African American success stores in this country today. That's one

(01:35:44):
of the reasons why I take the time to be
able to articulate the value and the need. Now when
you talk about education and you you you broke down
the whole teach, hustle, inspiral, what is it all about?
But how did they come about? You know what? What
the what? What? What Launch did? Though? Dr Sean? What
Launch did? That came from a need for me to

(01:36:07):
try and find a unique and creative way to pour
into the lives of educators and give back. I am.
I'm a speaker and consultant and you know all in
the under the umbrella of educating that is that is
what I do. I wanted to find something that could

(01:36:28):
connect us in the education world, something especially those of
us that serve in urban and culturally diverse communities because
there are specific challenges that we are simply at a
fundamental level not prepared to deal with. And again it's
not because something is wrong, it's just that we are
not prepared. So I created this with the mind with

(01:36:51):
the mindset of how can I help prepare dedicated and
talented educators to face the lenges that can arise in
urban and culturally diverse communities so that we can now
move this agenda forward and balance these scales a little bit.
But it really just came from my desire to what

(01:37:14):
to serve, to want to unite and start a movement,
and I just it's it's not something that I just
thought of one particular day to teach hustle inspire kind
of it seems like it came out of nowhere. But
what you're seeing are the results of years, years of research,
years of practice, and years of trial error, failing, fail again,

(01:37:39):
fail forward, fail some more, try it again. That's what
you're seeing now are the results of that. And this
is just the beginning. That's that's powerful words UM and
so those are some of the when you say obstacles,
you know it's one of the course over to me,
ums are the obstacles, Uh, disbelievers are obstacles yourself, sometimes

(01:38:01):
doubting whether it is this will be received. What exactly
are the obstacles that you're talking about. Some of the obstacles,
UM definitely do come in the form of self sabotage
and questioning whether or not you are the one that

(01:38:22):
should be doing this. As far as t hustle inspire,
inspire is concerned that that can the obstacles can start
from within. And if I am not careful, if I
am not emotionally aware enough to examine that it is
nothing more than just self sabotage and that I can overcome,
that it can be something that consumes me. But my

(01:38:45):
passion and desire and understanding to know that I'm called
to do this outweighs those obstacles and makes them speed
bumps at the post hurdles. So now what I can
do is with the understand thing that and not to
get churchy on you. But God doesn't call to qualify,
He qualifies the call. I understand that this is a

(01:39:07):
mission for me, and now I'm growing, and that as
long as I stay true to who I am and
what the Good Lord has for me, I can't tell us,
Oh no, you won't, you won't. That's why I set
up this show. My friend is passionate driven, and the
information that I give through my faith and through my passion,
I educate people who listen and follow my brand. So
we're on the same page. Now, tell us about your

(01:39:29):
art coming um conference for urban educators. Sure. Sure. I
wanted to create a unique experience called the super Teachers Summit.
And what happens is this is going to be a
unique online virtual event. We we you know, we have
to be cautious with everything happening coronavirus wise, about large

(01:39:53):
gatherings and so forth, but that still doesn't put a
stop on the work that needs to be done because
come August, except Timber, there are still children that are
going to need to be educated. So I wanted to
come up with a unique way to garner educators attention
to help solve some of the problems that they will
inevitably face. And I created this unique event to be

(01:40:15):
an online, interactive, virtual experience, more than just someone sitting
in front of a screen and then now alright, everything
is going in one ear and out of the other.
I wanted to make this a little bit more than
simply just your average teacher conference, if you will, And

(01:40:36):
so I I gave it a theme. I embedded some
of the research and some phenomenal speakers that I know
of that are really doing the work in this field.
And I'm putting together what I know will be a
Dynamites event in August. So is there a set date
for August yet or just August? Still planning, still planning.

(01:40:58):
It's going to be the first weekend in Orgust. Do
you want to make sure I want to be a
part of that. Whatever I can do to promote it
through my social or my newsletter goes a weekly every
Friday at nine am, I'll make you're part of that conversation.
Before I was a couple of things. But I want
to talk to about before we leaves. I wanted I
did not read your best selling book MC means Move
the class, How the spark engagement and motivation and urban

(01:41:19):
and culturally diverse classroom? Tell us about that? And then
I also want to close and response from you about
what's going on in America right now. Okay, absolutely, the
book for me came from my experiences teaching. I spent
ten years teaching in urban schools, and while doing that,
because I was I knew that there were things that

(01:41:42):
I wanted to do. I had a side hustle at
the DJ. So literally Ms McDonald, I would pull up
to the schoolyard and teach during the day and being
the club at night with my turn tables in the
literally and it was it was so fun. Yeah, I mean,
you talk about parties, club weddings, bar miths was barbecues.
It doesn't matter if they had if they were paying

(01:42:04):
and needed music services. I was in there. And so
what I began to notice is that I was growing
as a DJ and growing as an educator simultaneously, and
some coincidental not my coincidental, some emerging commonalities started to

(01:42:25):
really make a way about both professions, about being a teacher,
about being in DJ, and so really that that mc see,
you know, back in the day when I grew, I
grew up on Long Island and Eric being rock camp
had from Eric B as president the song um excuse
me um, Eric B as president, not second verse where

(01:42:47):
our cam talks about Eric B on the cut scratching
the medicine no mistakes allowed, because to me MC means
moved the crowd and that line always stuck to me.
It really because what stands out about that is what
rock Him was telling us is that his his role
as an m C it's it's not just a position,

(01:43:08):
it's a responsibility. Mr McDonald. That's that's my responsibility to
move this crowd. So I took that and and with
that same mindset, it's my responsibility to move this class
and as a DJ, as a as a teacher. You know,
in both roles, I'm a motivator. I am the reason
that you're going to in this club dance, or I'm

(01:43:29):
the reason in this classroom you're going to learn. In
both roles, I curate specific content so that when in
the timing of winning his place to create an absolute
experience for either the people in the club or the
students in my classroom, making real time decisions, making sure
that I am on top of everything, and making sure

(01:43:51):
that I can change when needed, making those adjustments to
really read the crowd and feed off of that energy.
It becomes sick. Wow, that's hot. You know that's hot
because I hear the passion, I hear the planning out here.
It's a it's authentic, that's what I hear the most doctor,

(01:44:12):
and that's why, that's why, that's why it works, because
it's not something you made up. It's tied to a journey.
You know. The journey in the world that we're living
in right now is um I did an interview this
morning and I was telling them that one out of
one thousand black men and boys will be killed by
a police officer. That's one out of one thousand. That's

(01:44:35):
two point five times higher than white men and white boys.
And when people ask us, why, why the unrest, why
the protests, what is your response? Dr Shaun Woodley? Hello,

(01:45:00):
do you cannot tell the oppressed? Essentially, It's been quoted
and said so many times, but you can't tell the
oppressed how to respond to their oppression. You can't do that.
What you're seeing are the results of years of years
and years, hundreds of years of outcries, hundreds of years
of just simply making a plea not to be treated better,

(01:45:23):
Mr McDonald, for being treated the same. That's all we want, Yes,
that's that's at the end of the day. We just
wanted to be treated the same. And so now what
has resulted from that is the the emotional outburst of
the people that has been held down far too long. Absolutely,
I always tell people I just want my child to
have a better life than our hands. And I think

(01:45:45):
that anybody who's not my color wants the same thing.
So just give me my shot. But when I'm stopped by,
at least don't allow a lobby not to be afraid. Now,
allow me to not believe that this might be a
stop I might not drive away from. That's all I'm asking.
And when I say one out of one thousand, that's
an incredible number. Two publicly say this documented story came

(01:46:06):
out of the Los Angeles time. I read it and
been have and I've been horrified ever since. Dr Sean
would let I hope you enjoyed coming on my show.
It's a it's a journey. It's a journey about it's
your journey. I wanted to share with my listeners on
money making conversations and no, you have a friend and
uh and when the when the conference comes out, the
Urban Educator's Conference comes out in August, if you want

(01:46:26):
to come back, the doors open, if you want to
just send banners, the doors open. And I would promise you.
I promoted in my news letter which goes out to
ninety thousand people every Friday at nine am, and I
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is a comedy legend. I could only put it like that.
He is a legend. I had a good fortune of
meeting him several times when I managed Steve Harvey, and
he made a surprise visit on stage when I was
producing BT's Comic Views, so I know him well. He
makes his Netflix original comedy special premiere with We'll Do
It for Half, I saw twice as brilliantly funny. He's
an entrepreneur with restaurants based on authentic Mexican cuisine from

(01:48:37):
his grandmother's traditional recipes. He has toured with some of
my favorite comedians like Adie Griffin, D. L. Hugley and
Cedric the Entertainer, And mostly importantly, he is a trailblazer.
When he's started his self produced ABC sitcom, he stand
up comedy specials, examins race, ethnic relations, and especially the
Mexican American culture. Please welcome to money making Conversations, my man,
George Lopez. How are your voice? Man? You know? Uh,

(01:49:02):
I saw this specially to me a little links so
I can see it early. Is I want to make
sure I saw it before I interviewed you. And uh,
how you did to Joe it? Okay? First of all,
what somebody calls you a comedy legend? What is that?
How do you feel with somebody says that about you?
You know, I mean it's it's so if they were
if there were doctors, you know, there's so many different
doctors and different in different variety of fields. You know,

(01:49:24):
so someone would say, you know, he's a scientist, he's
a biotech science, he's a heart doctor, he's a brain surgeony,
this guy's a dentist. This guy's a general practitioner O B.
G y N you know, oncologist. So I look at
myself as almost a bit of a multi faceted doctor.
You know. One of the things that on this sporting

(01:49:46):
one year journey that I did. You know, I grew
up very alone. I grew up without a male figure.
I never knew my father, I didn't know my mother.
My grandparents were very you know, removed from me, and
you know, there was just something growing up that made
me feel like I was different than everybody else, not better,

(01:50:08):
just different. And I couldn't put my finger on it,
but it was that feeling of being different or having
a better instinct than everybody that surrounded me that made
me do something that was probably the most terrifying thing
anybody could ever do, and do it for years without
ever seeing any improvement. So legend in the mind of

(01:50:32):
of of the people, but just somebody who you know,
worked hard to create a different narrative than the narrative
that I saw. I let me tell you some being
a former stand up comic, did they have comedy jam
did all the all the comedy specials? Myself, I've been
blessed like that. So when I saw your special, and
I've seen your specials in the in the past, where

(01:50:53):
one of your funny, but all these specials are funny,
one of them that really made me laugh with when you,
I think Cedric entertained was backstage and when you ended
this show, you crawled through your your name to get
off stage. Man, that last so hard on that with
Joe Hodge. What was running through your mind? That was funny, dude? Well,
you know we that that one. We did live at
the Kennedy Center. I was there for Eddie Murphy's March Twain.

(01:51:16):
And then as I stood there and I got a
couple of jokes off and I got a huge response,
I thought, you know, if I'm gonna do my HBO,
specially they wanted to do it and broad Away you
couldn't find a theater. But then being there at Eddie Place,
I thought, you know, like this room, it's a perfect size,
it's a great place. You know. Politically where we were

(01:51:37):
with the wall and then everybody was a shade of
having the American flag upside down because upside down means distress.
And as we had a meeting months before the production,
because I had to start to build the set, we
were under an agreement that the director, Troy Miller, who's
an incredible director, to the arrest of development crazy stuff,

(01:51:58):
that we told him that we weren't gonna put the
flag upside down, but he said, hell, no, man, We're
putting the flag upside down. So it wasn't until I
got there that day to rehearse that. We noticed that
the flag was upside down, and then he said, hey, Jean,
you know at the end of your show, you should
crawl under the wall here. I said, under that, yeah said,

(01:52:22):
and and I did it about it, man, I'm telling
you so. Man, I laughed so I wouldn't grab my
wife and played that back to look at this food.
He he crawled under his name under the wall, and
then backstage said he was laughing bad. That was just
That's what I'm talking about, legendary stuff, man, because that's
a stand up you know. I know the pressure it
takes to be able to go on stage be original.

(01:52:44):
And when I look at you, when I watched this special, man,
this is my This is what I say about stand up.
When I look at a special, I go wow, I
would never thought of that joke. I wouldn't never thought
that joke. And that that's your special, man, and in
its own Netflix, and it's your very first one on
them Netflix. And we'll do it for half and and
just tell us about the whole process of getting it

(01:53:05):
over to Netflix and and taping it in San Francisco. Well,
you know, let me say, let me say this before
you because you just stand up. So one thing I
think inherited and everyone is some people everybody has a
sense of humor, whether they take themselves too serious, or
they need to lighten up, or they're dry. One of
the things about about comedy and comedians is even the

(01:53:29):
odds of even getting a little bit of light shown
on you is so nearly impossible. But you know, there's
so many guys that I saw growing up, and that
I saw in the clubs in the eighties, nineties, in
the last twenty years that were so good, that we're
so clever, that we're great writers, and whatever fortune, whatever fate,

(01:53:52):
didn't let anything shine on those guys. And as as
much as the world needs drafter, there's a whole group
of idiots who are incredibly funny that no one will
ever hear of. That's why whatever you do, do it
because you love it. Because you know there's no guarantee
that you're not gonna be one of those cats that

(01:54:13):
gets any love. But if you feel good about what
you do, then that's already becoming a success. You know successes,
and like everybody knows your name, people see you. Yeah,
that that's great. But the one thing is that you
never loosen You're never loosening your grip on something that
you can't really get a grip on, Like I think

(01:54:33):
you work harder when you get a little love and
you start to do theaters and you start to do
arena and you start to meet the people that you
started to to meet on the way up. I've seen
a lot of guys stayed out, but I always work
the hardest when I had my show, when I had
my top show, when I had the specials. So it's
just been something that I've never been able to relinquish.

(01:54:53):
So going to San Francisco and go into the war
Field and knowing the history of it, knowing that Jimmy
Henders lay there, Janni's, Joplin, Santana, the Ravana, the gates,
your bed, everybody that's anybody's been in there, and you
know you can do it anywhere, but when you do
it in a place that has historical significant. Going to

(01:55:15):
be Apollo. Chris Spencer asked me to do this thing
at the Apollo, and going there. It may not mean
anything to anybody else, that's not for me to decide,
But what it meant to me to be on stage
with the Apollo to go to the road thill to
go do Radio City is beyond you know, anybody's true
imagination or level of appreciation. I'm just I'm just kind

(01:55:38):
of honored to be able to do the things that
I've always wanted to do, you know, And and and
thank you for explaining that, because I remember I was
producing bats Comic View and you may not even remember this,
and the Anthony Brown was hosting that that run Betis
Comic View and you came and uh, and we're trying
to get you to go on stage. Oh no, it's
not my thing. It's not my thing, you know, as y'all.

(01:55:59):
I'm just here to watch and just wash everybody good luck.
And I remember we got you to go on stage,
and you walked on stage, we introduced you, and the
whole room of black people stood up and gave you
a standard ovation. And that to me, you know, because
you know, you're always famous with your group, you know,
like you know, like jeffs I felt he famous with
his crowd, and you know, and you you established your

(01:56:20):
brand of just being a funny guy. But in my mind,
the mex American culture was your was your was your
home rock. And when I walked when I saw you
walk out that charge, and these black people stood off
because you know, black people just like Hispanics, you know,
they don't they don't give it up unless they respect it, okay.
And when they walked out there and gave you a
standard ovation, man, I went, this dude got it, man,

(01:56:42):
he got something extra going on in his life. And
I just I just That's why I called you a legend, man,
because when you cross all these different lanes man with respect,
that's beautiful, dude, that's beautiful. You know. You know I
was my grandmother raised me. My grandmother was in my
that would say, you know, my grandmother was was actually insensitive,

(01:57:03):
like like your grandmother's and everybody's grandmothers recially insensitive. So
part of my material is about her relationship with African
American people and then coming to the door, not opening
the door, her relationship with black people, saying you know what,
Like I said, I said, my first girlfriend, here's a
here's a true story. And it hurts and it's still

(01:57:26):
funny to this day. Like when I was in seventh grade,
there was this girl that looked like get Christie Love.
She was in seventh grade. Her name was Christina Husky fro,
light skinned, tall, beautiful, and she liked me, and all
my friends gave me a hard time, and I would
walk with her to class and and I, you know,
I dug her and she was cool. She lived on

(01:57:48):
the other side of the street from where I lived,
the main street, And one day I was walking home
with her and my grandmother, I guess must have got
off work early and saw me and roll the one
down and hunkle horn and did a U turn on
San Frando mission, roll the window down and said, hey, shat,
which your ass home? To call me shat? When I

(01:58:11):
was walking with this African American girl, i' how to funk? You?
You what? Who shaft was? But she's like a shot
get home, you know? And she fripped out. So I said,
so what what if I like the black girl? So oh,
I no, No, I said, what what? What? Why? Why
is it your concerned? She goes, because I don't like her?
And if you do, they're gonna see me with you,
and they're gonna think I like him and I don't.

(01:58:32):
I mean That's how she thought. And then and then
and then in school, Christina came over to me one
day and said she didn't feel that I should spend
any more time with her because people wouldn't get it,
and it was just becoming an issue, and and and
we I never walked her to class. I never walked
her home from school after that. And you know, when

(01:58:53):
I was a young kid, still made quite an impression
on me. But um, you know, in order to look
at end up as all of the stand up, being
racially insensitive to different groups, especially Latinos, was part of
my mix. So you can't pull one thing out and say,
you know, he's racist towards African American people when I've

(01:59:14):
said worst things about everybody else. One of the things
that made Richard Pryor, or did Gregory or you know,
George Carlin, or made anybody you Steve Cedric d l
Eddie Griffin, who makes anybody anything is not if you're
gonna shoot the gun, shoot the gun. Don't hold the
gun and not shoot it. Then put the gun down.

(01:59:36):
So in comedy, if you're gonna take the shot, take
the shot. Don't dance around the shot. Don't don't don't
don't hamm and hall. Don't look at an audience and
say I can't do that. You know, there's so many
people that I can't do that. The honesty is who
gets the respect and and the legacy is somebody never
pulling a punch. Now I'm talking to George Lopez, the

(01:59:58):
brilliant George lopayers. He has a Netflix special that's coming
out of June Tuesday, June thirtie. It's called We'll Do
It for Half. We'll Do It for Half. When I
started your interview, George, I told you I watched your
special twice, okay, and this is why I watched this.
But first of all, I enjoyed it. And then I remember,
you know, as we all were in the beginning, we

(02:00:18):
just won't get a stage, so we tell some jokes
so we could be funny. That's the goal, just to
be funny. Go from the opener to a middle act
to a headline, to get that get that first class
ticket and you you're traveling, and all that good stuff
and anything else that comes along is a blessing. Okay,
that's stuff that's the life of a stand up of
the average stand up comic in this country right now. Now,
then I want your website, and I saw your brand,

(02:00:42):
I saw restaurants, I saw blue halls, I saw your foundation,
I saw COVID nineteen face mask. I so we can't
breathe T shirts and so so now when I look
and I said, then, then I looked at your special
again and I put into perspective all that weight that
you're now carrying on stage with you now when you're performing.

(02:01:05):
So in the beginning, you didn't carry all that weight.
Employees and COVID and eighteen and all that stuff. All
that's going on stage with you now, and that's a
lot of people don't understand that. To be funny man
under that amount of global understanding. Gave me a truly
different perspective and appreciated your comment even more when I

(02:01:26):
saw it the second time. You understand where I'm coming from.
It's absolutely you know, um uh, I think everybody like me.
When my show started. You know, my show wasn't a
huge shit, but it did a hundred and twenty episodes.
That did you know five and a half years on ABC,
which I had a company, But that was the family

(02:01:46):
show with an edge. But I'm gonna tell you right
now that I lost a lot of people, including people
when I started to vocalize and I started to have
my opinion on issues, but also at the Grammys and
two thousand eight Senator two thousand and eight. The election
was in November of eight. Chris Rock called me on
a Monday after the Grammars had said, can I give

(02:02:09):
Barack Obama your telephone number because he wants to ask you,
you know, something about your support Hillary Clinton's office had
sent a fact to the office, very impersonal, and I said, sure.
So I'm watching CNN at one fifty two. Barack Obama's campaigning,

(02:02:29):
he's a senator, and it's a one fifty five and
he's leaving. And I said, there's no way that this
guy is gonna call me at two o'clock. If I'm
watching CNN and he's leaving an event, there's no way
call call at two thirty or three two o'clock. Phone
rings low, Uh, George Alta, Yes, hold for the Senator.

(02:02:51):
Garri's Barack Obama. Hey, I saw the Yeah, yeah, I said.
He said, listen, I don't know where you are politically,
but you know Latino vote means a lot to me.
I think the communities have a lot in common. I said, listen, man,
you know I will help you. And then I did
what maybe was the most difficult thing to do in Texas,
in South Texas is I would go to these theaters

(02:03:14):
and people would be lined up to see me twice
in an afternoon. I would talk about half an hour
to be a political to mayor, and they'd be some
political speeches, and I would go to a half hour,
maybe four or five minutes, and then I would say
that I'm gonna support a Barack Obama. And they would
boo and they would yell and they would hiss, and
I would be like, listen, listen, listen this, wait a minute,

(02:03:36):
hang out a second. They would walk out on me,
and and I kept on the message. I stayed and
I started to say, listen, you know, I will vote
for somebody just because she's not African American. And that's
how you go by the same beer every time because
your dad brought it, bought it, by the same soup
because your mom bought it. I said, there's choices, and
we shouldn't just follow it. Man. It was the most

(02:03:59):
deaf called to have your own people turn on you
for your political stance of getting someone who's different, who's
African American. A lot of there's a lot of racial
division between our cultures as well, and they just they
just didn't get it until I kept doing it and

(02:04:19):
he started to do it. But at one time in
New Mexico, we had a rally out there about you
of them, and they tore the gates down trying to
get and they expected twenty thou people. That's fifty thou
people out there. Wow, you know they're learning around. It's
amazing thing. And when I'm talking to you, I'm talking
to I'm almost talking to a historian. Okay, that's a

(02:04:41):
compliment right there, because when you said forty one years
of comedy, man, because we are people. People understand by
comedy community is good comedians. We really just document things
and did we twist them on stage, But we really
are telling the truth in a way if you just
really broke down what we were saying, we just making
just make it, make it funny because we made real
short left the right turns, and that's where the humor

(02:05:01):
comes from. But we're really just telling you the truth.
And when I when I look at COVID nineteen, if
you don't mind me talking about right quick, it's affecting
the Hispanic community of Latino community and the black community
is being devastated by the COVID nineteen and then I
went on the website and I was so happy to
see that you are doing your part providing COVID nineteen
face masks. How did you get into that and what

(02:05:23):
motivated you to participate at that level. Well, first of all,
you know we're not and and let's not even go
in to talk about medical and our medical conditions. So
I had a kidney transplant in two thousands five from
when I was married by my wife An gave it
to me. But this was stuff that should have been
detected when I was a child. I went to bed,

(02:05:44):
you know, kids went the bed, you know, And instead
of saying that maybe there's something wrong, because there was
something wrong, I just didn't do it because I drank
so much water I couldn't keep that in. And I
mean I had a narrow year. I was born early,
went undetected. I could have had both my original kidneys.
If I had come from a culture where when somebody
went to bed, you take him to the doctor. If

(02:06:05):
I would have had a bottle, I had an m
R I or something, I could have saved myself. So
so the fact that we ignore situations of our health
until clearly we can't get out of bed. I knew
something was wrong. So so with colvid and and and
uh compromise immune system, and knowing that that it could
spread the family and that it's invisible, then that you

(02:06:28):
had to take it serious. It was a no brainer, man,
to to get involved in the mass, to donate money
to charity, to try to get people the mass as well.
But also, you know, let's talk about D. L. Hugley,
who uh go ahead, uh asymptomatic, So you look at
pre existing conditions. But also I said this, you know,
and I haven't talked to him about this, but I

(02:06:50):
just feel like, as as you never want to fall
out on stage, you never want to fall out anywhere.
Could have been driving, could have been anywhere. That may
have been the best thing for him personally, because if
it had happened in the hotel room, he probably would
have thought, I'm fatigued, I didn't eat. I've been traveling
and and and look past the COVID until maybe it

(02:07:13):
was further along and now it was more serious. So
he raises the fact that he sat out in Nashville.
A larger issue is that maybe we shouldn't be rushing
back to the clubs as comedians and as an audience
because this is a real, real thing and as hard
as it is to get by because a lot of

(02:07:33):
us don't have disposed income. You only have one life,
and that's the life that you need to protect. I
was right talking to George Lopez. Is Comedy Special examines
race ethnic relations, especially they have Mexican American culture. Anything
different than this special there's air and on Netflix up
on June. George Lopez, you know, I think just being
incredibly funny. You're being funny in that, dude, you and

(02:07:55):
I want to take you too special. You do one
in English and you do one in Spanish. You know that, right,
that's true? What yea? So? So I think I think
creating the narrative of the uncle that was like going
to the doctor at Gangerine and Astralia commune disease and
our disease, creating a also ego also, you know, using
wanting to know where all the food comes from, uh,

(02:08:18):
wanting to be in other people's business. All this whole
thing about parents and all these people, if they have
one thing consistently is they're all older white women. Because
everybody else has found a way to mind your own business.
When I was married. I was married to a woman
that if she saw a kid without a parent and

(02:08:39):
the parent was sitting down two feet away, She's like,
you shouldn't leave your kid unattended, usaid, and you're gonna
get knocked out, you know, minding your own business. So
we as a culture mind our own business. But when
someone thinks they're superior to you, they don't have a
problem walking up to you in a restaurant when you're
eating asking why you're not wearing a mask. But if
someone sees me, or sees any buddy of color and

(02:09:00):
a convenience store and you're starting to throw a word around,
you started to throw some disrespect, you're gonna take. You're
gonna take a twoth piece combo right by the five
hour energy drinks and those vitamins that can stop your heart.
You're too much, man, too much, You're too much. Everyone,

(02:09:21):
every one of those leagues has taken what they deserved.
They go back to your taking floss like a like
a heavy bag. Yes, yes, yes, my man, I appreciate you.
George Lopez, man uh, I just wanted to talk to
you man on this on my show, and UH can
come from a different It is the fastest whatever I think. Yeah,

(02:09:47):
it really is. It's like twenty three minutes right now.
But I just want to let you know, just when
people come on money, make a conversation. Man, I have
no agenda, but your greatness need to be discussed. I
just want to let people hear a little bit of you.
You because there's a man behind those shakes. Let me
say that. Let me say that, you know, the restaurants
and the beer and all that stuff came to me
as an opportunity. You know. If there's one thing that

(02:10:08):
we have is we have an imaginative mind. You can
be an inventor and come from no place. Everybody who's
an in mentor has come from from not from wealth.
They come from their own idea. If you have an
idea for an invention or something you think is different,
don't just live with that idea. Look online, look for
these places. Look for a place, because listen, the strangest

(02:10:29):
things can happen to you. Nothing is impossible. And if
you have an idea that you think is relevant and
it's good, somebody will find that idea. If you reach
out and say I have this great idea for something
that's true, that's very true, that's very few George Lopez.
I don't want to hold you, but man, thank you
for taking the time to come on Money Making Conversation
and speaking to me. Rashan McDonald my brother, Stay safe,

(02:10:52):
and I will be promoting you throughout my social media
and my fan club because people need to know whom
you are. Brother, your star, man, you a legend, your
accommodation to appreciate. Be safe now, okay, appreciate appreciate it.
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