October 6, 2020 • 31 mins
My guest Jody Watley is a Grammy Winning Trendsetting Pioneer In Music, Video, Fashion, and Style. Jody is listed on Billboard Top 60 Hot 100 Female Artist Of All Time. She is Top 25 Dance Artist Of All Time; she became the first artist to release a million-selling video "Dance to Fitness, "which had not been achieved by a black woman or musician. She was the first woman of color to play Rizzo on Broadway in the hit musical GREASE. She is an entrepreneur, and she is producing and releasing her music. She is on the show to talk about being an artist during the pandemic and coping with the work stoppage. Jody Watley is finding her sanctuary in the kitchen amidst during these uncertain pandemic times. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Jody Watley.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to Money Making Conversations. I am your host with
Sean McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions
of success. For some insercisable paycheck. Mine is helping people
wake up and inspiring them to accomplish their goals and
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that's what I'm going to do for you. I want
you to stop tripping over small challenges and prepare to
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rise above the bigger obstacles that life will present to you.
That's what we do with Money Making Conversations. Welcome to
the ride. My guest, Jody Watley, Miss Jodie Rockley is
a Grammy winning, trend setting, pioneering music, video, fashion, and style.
Jody is listening on Billboard's Top sixty Hot one hundred
Female Artists of all time. She's top twenty five dance
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artists of all time. She became the first artist to
release a million selling video, Dance to Fitness, which had
not been achieved by black woman or musician. She was
the first woman of color to play Rizzo on Broadway
and to hit musical Greece. She's an entrepreneur. She has produced,
She's releasing her own music. She's on the show to
talk about being an artist during the pandemic time and
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coping with the work stopics. Miss Jordie Watty is finding
her sanctuary. That's what I found this on the I
was just doing our research and found it. And Miss
Jodie Watty finding her sanct You were in the kitchen, amiss,
all these uncertain pandemic times. She out there, she out
there clicking dishes and pots and payers and over a
hot stove, you know, like like she in the South
or somewhere. Please walk with the money made conversation, Miss Jody?
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What hey? Where is introduction? You know? After that, I
feel like a boxer about to go in the ring.
Hey Jody, you know, here's a funny point about Jody.
And she was laughing so low. She was just laughing
so low, and then she just opening this middle interview,
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She's gonna start laughing. Introduction's gonna just laughing at the store.
I love to thank you, and I'm so excited to
be talking to you. Well, I'm excited to be talking
to you off court. You know, a fan of your music,
fan of your talent. You're a beautiful person and uh
that watch you and danced dance with you so many
(02:08):
years on the dance floor, so this feels like okay,
you know, okay, you know the music is still great, Jody,
but you know, music back in the day, I can
remember exactly where I was at on certain songs and uh,
you know, and that's where I can get kind of
missing the day because you know, you're throwing the music
videos in there, so you kind of go back to
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the video before you go back to the moment when
you was on that in that in that basement party,
you know, just getting sweat, not enough like to see
when you're dancing with you know, but you're they're just dancing,
you know that. And that is something about music, and
it's true. It's so associated with growing up and memories
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and you know, just in so many ways and you know,
good time, bad time, uh and and between times and
so you know, my music, uh, it is a blessing
because it spans so you know, continuing on. But you
know it represents um, you know, always a good time
for people and that makes me happy. But what makes
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me happy is that she and a person who you know,
has has to sustain career relevance in this entertainment business
because I've been in it, you know, for a long time,
and being in it, you know, trying to stay because
it's such a hard business because you can get and
the discrimination happens, or ages and happens, sexism happens, and
you know all those things, well you know, who is
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she or what has she done later? What has he
done later? What have they done lately? That really permeates
really big in the entertainment game. It's kind of sad
because of the fact that there's so much uncertainty in entertainment.
How did mentally from a mental standpoint, how have you
been able to cope with that? Jody? You know, I
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think throughout my life I'm very focused. I've always been
a person that UM has tried to have balance in
my life, which is very important in any profession. And UM,
you know, never get too highs at the highs and
too low at the lows. And you know, it's always
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been important for me to UM, to be authentic and
what I do, uh, to learn the business because I
think a lot of people get messed up getting in
the entertainment industry and I did started as a teenager.
But I've always been business minded. I mean when I
was in junior high school. Um, I would I had
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I call him side hustles. I was so close for people,
I'd make pillows at my dad's church, or fry fish
and and bake cupcakes to make money. We're gonna chicken
and all that little bit later. Don't behind this stuff earlier,
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So I understand. So my journey has always been and
I think that really has helped me sustain in this business.
The uncertainty is because I've never been afraid of the work,
never been afraid to say no, um, and very meticulous
about what I do. And so if someone has I'm
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not just enough, I'm not that enough, it never really
faces me. And I think it's important in life that
you have to believe when no one else believes, and
to keep doing the work in find ways to get
it done. If if doors, I mean doors have closed
on me, and I've opened new doors for myself because
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I'm continuing to do the work, you know, um, And
it's very important and it really is important because really,
when I look at your career, you know, because you've
had success in a group okay Salama, and then you've
had tremendous success as an individual artist talk about working
with people and then the burden of being a solo artist.
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There are different different things. That's a task when you
buy yourself and you don't have nothing that nobody to
lean on but yourself, and the decision and the appearances
all on you. So talk about the success in a
group and the success as a solo artists just from
an entertainment standpoint, so people can understand the difference. Well,
you know, being in a group, being the only girl
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in the group and not actually being protected was very
challenging for me, and you know it made me um.
You know, again, I had to be tough, I had
to carry myself in a certain way being a woman
in the business. If you're not kind of flighty or whatever,
you know, you get labeled things that aren't always very flattering.
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But again it's like I know who I am and
I learned learned from it. So going solo actually has
never been a burden. Actually it's been such a blessing
because I get to do I get to own it
and to be in control of it and take people
to work with and not just do what I'm told,
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but to really craft. I've been able to really craft,
uh my own niche as an artist. For you know,
I've been a solo artist now for over thirty five years,
um and seven years before that and Shalo Marso I've
been you know, on this, on this journey. But then
a solo I like, I like running my own business,
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I really do, and so it's a joy. It's like,
you know, it's a lot of responsibility picking you know,
musicians and producers and um, but I'm about the business
and so so I enjoy all the aspects of this.
But you're live performer, and we know the value of
being a live performer. And the downside was the pandemic
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they are nobody saw our comming. I knew. I didn't
see it coming, and not to the extreme when they
talk about shut down, you know, because that really doesn't
hit you what they're talking about until it actually happened.
What does that mean shut down when you're talking about
venus or close? Was they're talking about, you know, restaurant
your clothes? And how did that whole process in your mind?
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How was it starting the process as being just what
they're talking about shutting Now? How did that whole process
work for you? Because I'm jiousing it freaked me out. Okay,
I think it's it had to freak all of us out,
and I think, you know, at first, actually, to be
honest with you, one of the first things that I
thought about was, I'm glad I've always lived below my
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means and above my means because you know, I'm glad
that I'm a songwriter. And I thought, you know, God,
thank god I'm a songwriter, because I'm really going to
be living off my royalities now because there's not gonna
be any concerts. And you know, two months into it,
I went through a moment where I felt kind of that,
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you know, because I like to hustle bus I love
performing and just you know, having this moment of pause.
I've always taken time off here there, but to actually
be forced into it um and so we're trying. What
I've really done is trying to find new ways to
keep myself busy, create some new revenue streams for myself.
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And it's very important to again is not be defeated
by the situation, to find ways to make things happen.
And so you know, that's what I've been doing. Well,
you know, not to understanding that you have some facial masks,
are they out now they're coming out. Yeah, I have well,
I've had an online bouchique for about twenty years now
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and uh I have you know, different merchandise coming in
all the time. And facial masks are one of the
new items. Um and um you know those came as
a result of the pandemic. You know, you gotta jump
on stuff. I give a portion of the proceeds defeating America,
so it's for a good cause. Um. You know I've
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got sanctuary candles and uh room stray man um and
you know, and then the music. My current song is
the Healing and it's a timely song. Um. I got
Jodi Whitley coopering, so you know, okay, what you ain't
gonna do take on my show. Now, I started with
(10:15):
the facial man. Now you have to WHOOPI read now
it's it's a it's a method to this madnic when
you come on money and make conversation. We got to
talk about each one so it could be clearly heard.
Miss wait, I see, I see right now. We're gonna
have a great relationship, but we're gonna learn to make
money roushan wait okay, slow and effectively, Okay, because what
(10:37):
we're gonna do. First, we're gonna you know, we're gonna
put the mask out right now, are yeah? Okay, cool?
They are, they are available, Okay cool. So what we're
gonna do is we gonna get a little post a
picture with you with the mask, and we're gonna put
it on my social media this week. Okay, put that
it was over to me, okay, because I got eight
hundred Facebook following and any percent of my women Okay,
(10:59):
because my bacon don't ain't because they love me. They
just love those cakes. I'll be bo. So so so
we're gonna put that in. Then next Wednesday, my newsletter
comes out and then there's ninety thousand fan club subscribers
to that. So we're gonna drop the facial facial mask
in that. Okay, So we're gonna so that's the face.
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That's how that's how you do business. When you come
on money making conversations, we ain't no hurry to make money,
which about relationships. That's how we lasted this long because
the relationship the about five and dead people that ain't us,
that ain't a we're long we're long term, long term.
So so then you then you talked about these candles.
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Talk about these candle come tears them. Are these the
big fat candles that you can put it in your
in your bathroom while you're taking up a bathroom when
you outside reading the book? What type of countles are they?
So the sanctuary can't be the glass the big candles
those sold out. So the new shipment of candles are trumps,
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their tens, travel tens. So you know it's very compact, uh,
the luxury soy candles, but they are they're not the
big oversized glass one this one because these are easier
to ship right. Well okay, so now that's sold out,
you say, right, the new travel tens those just arrived today. Okay, cool.
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So so so we can put that on social media too, yeah, okay, cool.
So you old me every time. I don't think you're
calling money make conversation just to have a money make conversation.
You're not making their money because you got you know
what say to miss miss Jody Whiteley. You was saying
miss r Whiteley. So so we got there, we got
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the facial mask. We just got a new shipment of
sanctuary candles in gott to do a banner for that.
So this Talco have we gotten to the be arranging,
then got today yet right, no, I'm flowing down. Okay,
learned quick learner, and you know you gotta listen to people. Okay. Now,
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so now let's talk about the music song Healing. Let's
talk about that. What you know, I know, you have
a racial unrest, pandemic is over the avertly affecting the
African American community. We have an election here that uh,
it's just emotionally charging this The country in the world
is watching. And so when I hear a song called healing,
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tell us what the story behind it and what you're
trying to achieve with what your music, who you're trying
to reach with the healing? I mean, you know, because
my music has progressed so much over the years, and
I wrote this song before the pandemic came out, came about,
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and really I wanted to do a song to remind
people to no matter what's going on in the world,
never let anyone jim your life, your wattag, the wattage
lived within you, and to encourage people to live in
and now because now it's what we have and what
we make of life. And it's a dance room because
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I know people like Ms Jodie. Part of my brand
is the dancing, but it's an inspirational song and it
just so happened that the pandemic hit and then you
know a black Lives Matter and everything, and so it
was one of those things to me, the universe had
the ultimate timing, uh in me putting it out. And
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when you how does the how is the music being
distributed to streaming and work work work platforms. It's on
all digital platforms and streaming services, so you can download
it from iTunes or you can stream it listen to
it on Spotify, Apple Music. And also you know YouTube
of course, and and I do have a Jodie Whitley
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YouTube channel. No, no, I don't know that channel. I
know a Miss Jodie Watterley YouTube channel. I don't know
Jodie Wattley YouTube child. That must be that must be
like a knockoff. That must be a knocker because I'm
saying I only talking to Miss Jodi wat This is
Miss Jordi Watley YouTube channel line I'm promoted in now
I'm just gonna throw the miss in front. That's how
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I met you. That's how I met you. I love
talking about you now let's get to the hoop ear
ring rings. Now, who thought of this idea? And it
sounds so much fun? Talk about the hoop the rings, Well,
you know it's a Jodie Whitley signature. The jumbo hoo
bearings have been since my so little debut for a
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New Love and people, Yeah, a journey. If you saw
me doing some bad dance and moves, you know that
the old man moved. You know, I really think I've
still got it going on. But obviously if you saw me,
you go, Okay, stop, you really need to stop trying
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to dance to that something like that. I just had
to let you know that I was doing some bad
things over here, acting like I still had the skill set.
But I don't so the hoopiere rings because it's not
so much fun. First of all, Miss Joy. Yeah, I'm
enjoying this anyway because your energy is just on fire.
And and and we let me just tell you something.
You know, we we live in a stressed time because
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of the fact that we um and I said that earlier,
we are talking about the election coming up, and it's
just great fear, you know, as as a black man,
you know, as a black person in general, but the
police has not been uh throughout our lives, not something recently.
We've always had concerns when we got pulled over, especially
(16:55):
at night. And so unfortunately for George Floyd, like white
well see it for the first time or acknowledge it
being stunned. Okay, yeah, and really it was eight minutes.
They didn't stopped because I like it when I see
white people out there protesting for for my carse yes,
I and I agree with you because I think that
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will make the ultimate difference because like you said, we
were used to this unfortunately, but it's gonna take white people,
um to get involved. So seeing them out there protesting
and you know, I mean, you know, painting Black Lives
Matter on their cars and businesses and everything. But we
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really do need um some change here, and um you know,
but they that was a big difference because I've never
seen that many um you know, that diversity and so
that yeah, I was I was stunning myself. Okay, Okay,
you know when you when you see it march, you know, okay,
white people, white people walking by the camera, white people,
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white people, black white people, white people, black black white people,
white people. We need this. We need this because because
because of the fact that it's not it doesn't become
like these horrible black people out here tearing up our cities.
These horrible black people, you know, you have to be
fearful of them. You know, lock your doors, don't let
them in your neighborhood. They're going to tear up your city.
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And that's what that's what was gonna happen without their participation.
And so because I because I could, I can see
you an iconic individual because of the fact that when
you these hoop ear rings, when you can take a
signature piece like a hoop ear ring, you know, and
then and then the people recognize as a style and
then you said, you know, I'm gonna make this a
fashion moment and then people buy it. How does that
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make you feel? I mean, I feel very empowered by that.
And um, you know, as a black woman, it's you know,
um to the part of you know, other black artists
that trans that really transmitt being on the music and
so to be in that category of style icon or
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you know, things of that nature. Um, it's a good
ceiling because it's like it's it's me. It's a part
of who I am and bringing great style and class
has been always very important to me. Now, let's let's
get the real deal. Now. When I've been waiting on
the kitchen talk, she dropped a little you know, when
(19:30):
I was in junior high. You know, fry fish, she
makes some cupcakes and all that stuff. She she was
just setting us up that she didn't just start cooking
last week, or she didn't just start cooking during the pandemic,
just like act like she don't have nothing to do.
I've been cooking to the middle school. Yeah, okay, cool.
So uh you know, I'm If anybody knows anything about me,
(19:52):
Joda is that I'm a foodie. I love food. I
will eat my dessert for I eat my meal in public?
Are you taking to the fine out and strong? I go,
excuse me, excuse me, give me my desert. Men and
people have looked at me strange and go or you
did that stuff. I needs to know what I'm gonna
get right now, and so so talk about this whole
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the early stages of cooking and then cooking. Now you
know and how does how does it? Is it a
calm the calming effect for your life, for your career?
And um, you know because you know, because you know
your fitness person, wool, you probably eat a little bit
different than me because I I'll make you mad. Jody
be going because I make a lot of people mad. People,
How does he stay like that and eat like that?
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I get there a lot for people. You make me sick.
I get a lot of You make me sick with Sean,
you get on my nerves, get out my face. You know,
I eat a double King burger with relish double cheese,
uh with large fat fries and a large strawberry shake,
and won't miss a beat if that's a fat that's
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a fat burger for people who knew. She knew exactly
what I was talking about. I did. In fact, it's
funny you should mention fat burger because the original uh well,
used to the popular one used to be in l
a last end in the kind of the Beverly Hills area,
and it used to be the spot people would go
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there and parked out there on the weekend. Mean it
was the best. Uh So, yeah, I know about that burger.
She didn't break. She didn't break. Try when I started
rattling off that men, Yeah, yeah, that's a king Bourbon,
that's double king right there. Yeah, Yeah, come a large
fat She said, he ye he talking about he talking
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about fat burger right there, Lord strawberry shake yeppy, Yeah,
he really on point when everything he said right there,
he has not stun He is truly a guy who's
been in fat burgers. And I you know, I love
I love food. Um, you know, I started cooking and
junior high the necessity initially because my mom and dad
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split up and when I was did with my dad, um,
somebody had to do the cooking. So my mom was
a good so I just kind of remember things that
she made and uh and so you know, growing up,
I've always enjoyed cooking. It's relaxing, um, you know, like
since I've been in entertainment for you know, most of
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my life since a teenager. So it's always a treat
to make a home cook meal being home and people
look at me and say, oh, she probably can't cook. Absolutely.
You know, you're attractive, you know everything. Yeah, everybody don't
know you have to you know, you don't look like
you did have bad days. You know for people look
people looking at they make assessments of you. You know
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what you didn't cook? Look at that. You know, the
second time around, you know what I'm saying. That's right,
you know, you know she has somebody because of h
But I love to cook, cook, and I love to bake.
One of my favorite things to bake my kids. I
have a daughter and a son their young adults now,
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but Thankgiving, I do uh tiny butter rolls and from
scratch with the yeast that rises that take three hours
and the whole bit. But it's always love. So I
think I love you could love into cooking like so,
I understand your passion. And and food is a thing
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like music. It makes people happy too, doesn't happen? Well,
it made me happy. And I know I'm having a
fantastic time, you know, talking to you about just life
in general, because of the fact that you know, first
of all, you're an entrepreneur and your independent thinker and
uh and the part about success, I know that and
I tell people all the time, you know, being successful
(23:53):
in the entertainment business rough because everybody sees your can
see you. Okay, you know you've been successful it IBM,
nobody sees you. I'm not saying this name, but nobody
sees you. But when you're entertainment, they see you. They
know they might know how much money you're making. They
can they know the ticket prices, they know the size
of the venues you play, and so that takes a
mental toll on what people can perceive you being a
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wanting to be a capable of producing and so so
it's important that these relationships. And I'm just gonna let
you know, Jody, I'm in your life now. Okay, So
so you know you you got stuff dropping, don't you
don't don't do don't you got no world? Said when
we shot, I forgot about you said it's gonna be
a problem between me and you, Miss Jodie Wide. I'm
just let you know, you know, around trying to shut
(24:37):
down your YouTube channel. That's what I'm gonna be doing that.
You know. You know this bru Shawn's trolling Jody while
on on social media. He's crazy, man, he's crazy. Is
he a sick o? Joe? I only did one interview
with I don't know what's wrong with the dude. I
just do want any of you to do. He've been
(24:57):
trolling Mirror because somebody's stop him. No, I'm just know
it's a joy. It's a complete joy because I wanted
to meet you and you're a person that because even
though you're behind the scenes, I want to tell you
I'm the kind of person like I like researching people
like well, who especially successful people as well? Who's on
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this team? Who you know? And then again it goes
back to when I was middle and I used to
read about four models and I was like, I wonder
who who runs for my models? And I went to
the library and looked up I leaning forward. So I
like to know about people. So I've been knowing about
you for a long time. Thank you, And I have
so much respect for you. So you control me all
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you like. Well, but before we go, I I don't
want to. I can't be you know, I kind of
you know, people get mad. Well, you're starting talking about
the kitchen. Didn't you just stop talking? So let's talk
about that the kitchen. What you're doing now? What's some
of your favorite meals? And because you mentioned you mentioned
some good Southern starters fry fishing, cupcakes. To get some
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good black people rolling right there, right there, right there
talking about you talking about skills. Well, you know what,
one thing I encourage people that follow me, I do
meatless Monday. Um. Last week I did a black eyed
tea and um. So I, you know, gave the recipe
and everything, and I had it with a chale salad
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because I in this pandemic. Also everybody can be always
felt and have a double double. Are you trying to
hit at me? Are you trying to hit at me?
I'm the only person on talking about a double double
double meat double t Stop nicking up. So I share
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healthy recipes and um, and then you know, my cheat days,
my indulgences and everything. Because also being a woman, it's
like people would look at different. So I try to
stay in shape, but I let people know you can
have robust, the wealth season, great healthy food and then
you can have your cheat days where you can have
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your fried chickens and you know, with extra hot sauce
on it and greens with me. But you can also
have the greens without me, so you know, I so
I mixed it up and you know, and to inspire others, okay, cool,
let me asine U. These are like short videos or
or that you can upload and stuff like that or huh.
(27:33):
They just you shoot them live and that's where they
live on your social media. I put them on my website.
Dye Whitley got net do a blog. I don't feel
them yet, well not true, I do feel them, okay,
if you feel them. And it's short version to me
and I put on my Saturday because I always you know,
I had tim tim ARII just recent relationships or all that.
(27:55):
I would love to post some of your work. If
you have photos, if you have photos, food that you've
cooked and just the recipe, I post that. Let's let's
do that, let's have let's have some fun with this,
and let's have some fun with two photos and some recipes.
I start posting it on Saturday, just just you know,
just having fun, just showing people another great side of
your your brand, your career, what you're doing out there.
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But more important than just having fun in life, you know,
because people need to see that, and it's it's just amazing.
So so let's tell everybody about social media girl and
your websites. And you know it's it's thirty minutes now.
You know we've been talking for thirty minutes. You know that, Jody,
it just went so quick. I've known you all my life.
We're just friends out If you're thirty minutes now, I'm
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just gonna let you know. It's so funny people are
talking to Shine. I go, hey, dude, it's thirty minutes.
We really need to stop. So people get there a
lot to go. Wow, that's it. That's it cool. So
tell about your social and your website, and you owe
me before we can show you that you owe me. Um,
you know the facial mask. You'll meet candles and you'll
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me some and you'll meet some photos of food along
with the recipes. And I swear to you, Jody, I
will post and I swear to you, I put it
I I I don't ever get on this. And if
you're talking about something, I want to I've committed to
your success, continued success, let me say it straight. Your
continued success and just being able to share another side
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of you as an entrepreneur and a home or home body.
That's what I call people cook at the own whole bodies.
You know, entrepreneur is the is the sanctuary candles and
the facial mass. That's the entrepreneur side of you. And
when you're and now my headquarters is in Atlanta. I
have in my office my building. I bought a building.
I'm just gonna brag a little bit. I bought a
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big build here and so and so I have a
full or full kitchen in my building. When you come
to Atlanta, invite you to come by and we're gonna
cook in the kitchen, and were don't videotape it. Okay,
we're gonna put that on social media. Okay, you know
we're gonna no, but just we're gonna do, Jody, We're
gonna argue in the kitchen. That's gonna be fun. Okay,
because what you're gonna do is come my kids to
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tell me what to do. I can I can tell that,
but I'm a lively time ms. Joe Rochan tell us
about your social media website, Joe that you've been so
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much fun. Let's let's get it out there. Okay, all
my socials are verified Joey Watley j O d y
W A T l Y because you know some people
still can't spell. Website is Jodi Watley dot net and
it links to all my socials, my boutique and everything.
So I'm very accessible and holler at your girl, Ill
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at you girl. I hollowized your girl for thirty minutes
and it's been awesome. And you know you you have
called blast to come on my show again. In the future.
Because what we're gonna do when you get near Chris Smith,
like November, wanta come on back? Promote stuff that you know,
the Hoopie rank and all that stuff I so people
can buy for Christmas. President get that hype rolling. And
then I always do like a Black Monday, and I
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dropped all of my friends stuff in there and I
put it out on social media. Does really well. So
know that that the rushawn got you already lined up
for for some addition, as they say, mailbox money, Joey,
I love you girl, Thank you, thank you for coming
to Money Making Conversations. Okay, we talked soon. Alright, bye
bye bye. If you want to hear more money Making
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Conversation and if you please go to money Making Conversation
dot com. I'm with Sean McDonald. I am your host
Welcome to Money Making Conversations. I am your host with
Sean McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions
of success. For some insercisable paycheck. Mine is helping people
wake up and inspiring them to accomplish their goals and
live their very best life. These are my passions and
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rise above the bigger obstacles that life will present to you.
That's what we do with Money Making Conversations. Welcome to
the ride. My guest, Jody Watley, Miss Jodie Rockley is
a Grammy winning, trend setting, pioneering music, video, fashion, and style.
Jody is listening on Billboard's Top sixty Hot one hundred
Female Artists of all time. She's top twenty five dance
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artists of all time. She became the first artist to
release a million selling video, Dance to Fitness, which had
not been achieved by black woman or musician. She was
the first woman of color to play Rizzo on Broadway
and to hit musical Greece. She's an entrepreneur. She has produced,
She's releasing her own music. She's on the show to
talk about being an artist during the pandemic time and
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coping with the work stopics. Miss Jordie Watty is finding
her sanctuary. That's what I found this on the I
was just doing our research and found it. And Miss
Jodie Watty finding her sanct You were in the kitchen, amiss,
all these uncertain pandemic times. She out there, she out
there clicking dishes and pots and payers and over a
hot stove, you know, like like she in the South
or somewhere. Please walk with the money made conversation, Miss Jody?
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What hey? Where is introduction? You know? After that, I
feel like a boxer about to go in the ring.
Hey Jody, you know, here's a funny point about Jody.
And she was laughing so low. She was just laughing
so low, and then she just opening this middle interview,
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She's gonna start laughing. Introduction's gonna just laughing at the store.
I love to thank you, and I'm so excited to
be talking to you. Well, I'm excited to be talking
to you off court. You know, a fan of your music,
fan of your talent. You're a beautiful person and uh
that watch you and danced dance with you so many
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years on the dance floor, so this feels like okay,
you know, okay, you know the music is still great, Jody,
but you know, music back in the day, I can
remember exactly where I was at on certain songs and uh,
you know, and that's where I can get kind of
missing the day because you know, you're throwing the music
videos in there, so you kind of go back to
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the video before you go back to the moment when
you was on that in that in that basement party,
you know, just getting sweat, not enough like to see
when you're dancing with you know, but you're they're just dancing,
you know that. And that is something about music, and
it's true. It's so associated with growing up and memories
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and you know, just in so many ways and you know,
good time, bad time, uh and and between times and
so you know, my music, uh, it is a blessing
because it spans so you know, continuing on. But you
know it represents um, you know, always a good time
for people and that makes me happy. But what makes
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me happy is that she and a person who you know,
has has to sustain career relevance in this entertainment business
because I've been in it, you know, for a long time,
and being in it, you know, trying to stay because
it's such a hard business because you can get and
the discrimination happens, or ages and happens, sexism happens, and
you know all those things, well you know, who is
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she or what has she done later? What has he
done later? What have they done lately? That really permeates
really big in the entertainment game. It's kind of sad
because of the fact that there's so much uncertainty in entertainment.
How did mentally from a mental standpoint, how have you
been able to cope with that? Jody? You know, I
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think throughout my life I'm very focused. I've always been
a person that UM has tried to have balance in
my life, which is very important in any profession. And UM,
you know, never get too highs at the highs and
too low at the lows. And you know, it's always
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been important for me to UM, to be authentic and
what I do, uh, to learn the business because I
think a lot of people get messed up getting in
the entertainment industry and I did started as a teenager.
But I've always been business minded. I mean when I
was in junior high school. Um, I would I had
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I call him side hustles. I was so close for people,
I'd make pillows at my dad's church, or fry fish
and and bake cupcakes to make money. We're gonna chicken
and all that little bit later. Don't behind this stuff earlier,
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So I understand. So my journey has always been and
I think that really has helped me sustain in this business.
The uncertainty is because I've never been afraid of the work,
never been afraid to say no, um, and very meticulous
about what I do. And so if someone has I'm
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not just enough, I'm not that enough, it never really
faces me. And I think it's important in life that
you have to believe when no one else believes, and
to keep doing the work in find ways to get
it done. If if doors, I mean doors have closed
on me, and I've opened new doors for myself because
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I'm continuing to do the work, you know, um, And
it's very important and it really is important because really,
when I look at your career, you know, because you've
had success in a group okay Salama, and then you've
had tremendous success as an individual artist talk about working
with people and then the burden of being a solo artist.
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There are different different things. That's a task when you
buy yourself and you don't have nothing that nobody to
lean on but yourself, and the decision and the appearances
all on you. So talk about the success in a
group and the success as a solo artists just from
an entertainment standpoint, so people can understand the difference. Well,
you know, being in a group, being the only girl
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in the group and not actually being protected was very
challenging for me, and you know it made me um.
You know, again, I had to be tough, I had
to carry myself in a certain way being a woman
in the business. If you're not kind of flighty or whatever,
you know, you get labeled things that aren't always very flattering.
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But again it's like I know who I am and
I learned learned from it. So going solo actually has
never been a burden. Actually it's been such a blessing
because I get to do I get to own it
and to be in control of it and take people
to work with and not just do what I'm told,
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but to really craft. I've been able to really craft,
uh my own niche as an artist. For you know,
I've been a solo artist now for over thirty five years,
um and seven years before that and Shalo Marso I've
been you know, on this, on this journey. But then
a solo I like, I like running my own business,
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I really do, and so it's a joy. It's like,
you know, it's a lot of responsibility picking you know,
musicians and producers and um, but I'm about the business
and so so I enjoy all the aspects of this.
But you're live performer, and we know the value of
being a live performer. And the downside was the pandemic
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they are nobody saw our comming. I knew. I didn't
see it coming, and not to the extreme when they
talk about shut down, you know, because that really doesn't
hit you what they're talking about until it actually happened.
What does that mean shut down when you're talking about
venus or close? Was they're talking about, you know, restaurant
your clothes? And how did that whole process in your mind?
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How was it starting the process as being just what
they're talking about shutting Now? How did that whole process
work for you? Because I'm jiousing it freaked me out. Okay,
I think it's it had to freak all of us out,
and I think, you know, at first, actually, to be
honest with you, one of the first things that I
thought about was, I'm glad I've always lived below my
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means and above my means because you know, I'm glad
that I'm a songwriter. And I thought, you know, God,
thank god I'm a songwriter, because I'm really going to
be living off my royalities now because there's not gonna
be any concerts. And you know, two months into it,
I went through a moment where I felt kind of that,
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you know, because I like to hustle bus I love
performing and just you know, having this moment of pause.
I've always taken time off here there, but to actually
be forced into it um and so we're trying. What
I've really done is trying to find new ways to
keep myself busy, create some new revenue streams for myself.
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And it's very important to again is not be defeated
by the situation, to find ways to make things happen.
And so you know, that's what I've been doing. Well,
you know, not to understanding that you have some facial masks,
are they out now they're coming out. Yeah, I have well,
I've had an online bouchique for about twenty years now
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and uh I have you know, different merchandise coming in
all the time. And facial masks are one of the
new items. Um and um you know those came as
a result of the pandemic. You know, you gotta jump
on stuff. I give a portion of the proceeds defeating America,
so it's for a good cause. Um. You know I've
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got sanctuary candles and uh room stray man um and
you know, and then the music. My current song is
the Healing and it's a timely song. Um. I got
Jodi Whitley coopering, so you know, okay, what you ain't
gonna do take on my show. Now, I started with
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the facial man. Now you have to WHOOPI read now
it's it's a it's a method to this madnic when
you come on money and make conversation. We got to
talk about each one so it could be clearly heard.
Miss wait, I see, I see right now. We're gonna
have a great relationship, but we're gonna learn to make
money roushan wait okay, slow and effectively, Okay, because what
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we're gonna do. First, we're gonna you know, we're gonna
put the mask out right now, are yeah? Okay, cool?
They are, they are available, Okay cool. So what we're
gonna do is we gonna get a little post a
picture with you with the mask, and we're gonna put
it on my social media this week. Okay, put that
it was over to me, okay, because I got eight
hundred Facebook following and any percent of my women Okay,
(10:59):
because my bacon don't ain't because they love me. They
just love those cakes. I'll be bo. So so so
we're gonna put that in. Then next Wednesday, my newsletter
comes out and then there's ninety thousand fan club subscribers
to that. So we're gonna drop the facial facial mask
in that. Okay, So we're gonna so that's the face.
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That's how that's how you do business. When you come
on money making conversations, we ain't no hurry to make money,
which about relationships. That's how we lasted this long because
the relationship the about five and dead people that ain't us,
that ain't a we're long we're long term, long term.
So so then you then you talked about these candles.
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Talk about these candle come tears them. Are these the
big fat candles that you can put it in your
in your bathroom while you're taking up a bathroom when
you outside reading the book? What type of countles are they?
So the sanctuary can't be the glass the big candles
those sold out. So the new shipment of candles are trumps,
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their tens, travel tens. So you know it's very compact, uh,
the luxury soy candles, but they are they're not the
big oversized glass one this one because these are easier
to ship right. Well okay, so now that's sold out,
you say, right, the new travel tens those just arrived today. Okay, cool.
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So so so we can put that on social media too, yeah, okay, cool.
So you old me every time. I don't think you're
calling money make conversation just to have a money make conversation.
You're not making their money because you got you know
what say to miss miss Jody Whiteley. You was saying
miss r Whiteley. So so we got there, we got
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the facial mask. We just got a new shipment of
sanctuary candles in gott to do a banner for that.
So this Talco have we gotten to the be arranging,
then got today yet right, no, I'm flowing down. Okay,
learned quick learner, and you know you gotta listen to people. Okay. Now,
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so now let's talk about the music song Healing. Let's
talk about that. What you know, I know, you have
a racial unrest, pandemic is over the avertly affecting the
African American community. We have an election here that uh,
it's just emotionally charging this The country in the world
is watching. And so when I hear a song called healing,
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tell us what the story behind it and what you're
trying to achieve with what your music, who you're trying
to reach with the healing? I mean, you know, because
my music has progressed so much over the years, and
I wrote this song before the pandemic came out, came about,
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and really I wanted to do a song to remind
people to no matter what's going on in the world,
never let anyone jim your life, your wattag, the wattage
lived within you, and to encourage people to live in
and now because now it's what we have and what
we make of life. And it's a dance room because
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I know people like Ms Jodie. Part of my brand
is the dancing, but it's an inspirational song and it
just so happened that the pandemic hit and then you
know a black Lives Matter and everything, and so it
was one of those things to me, the universe had
the ultimate timing, uh in me putting it out. And
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when you how does the how is the music being
distributed to streaming and work work work platforms. It's on
all digital platforms and streaming services, so you can download
it from iTunes or you can stream it listen to
it on Spotify, Apple Music. And also you know YouTube
of course, and and I do have a Jodie Whitley
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YouTube channel. No, no, I don't know that channel. I
know a Miss Jodie Watterley YouTube channel. I don't know
Jodie Wattley YouTube child. That must be that must be
like a knockoff. That must be a knocker because I'm
saying I only talking to Miss Jodi wat This is
Miss Jordi Watley YouTube channel line I'm promoted in now
I'm just gonna throw the miss in front. That's how
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I met you. That's how I met you. I love
talking about you now let's get to the hoop ear
ring rings. Now, who thought of this idea? And it
sounds so much fun? Talk about the hoop the rings, Well,
you know it's a Jodie Whitley signature. The jumbo hoo
bearings have been since my so little debut for a
(15:49):
New Love and people, Yeah, a journey. If you saw
me doing some bad dance and moves, you know that
the old man moved. You know, I really think I've
still got it going on. But obviously if you saw me,
you go, Okay, stop, you really need to stop trying
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to dance to that something like that. I just had
to let you know that I was doing some bad
things over here, acting like I still had the skill set.
But I don't so the hoopiere rings because it's not
so much fun. First of all, Miss Joy. Yeah, I'm
enjoying this anyway because your energy is just on fire.
And and and we let me just tell you something.
You know, we we live in a stressed time because
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of the fact that we um and I said that earlier,
we are talking about the election coming up, and it's
just great fear, you know, as as a black man,
you know, as a black person in general, but the
police has not been uh throughout our lives, not something recently.
We've always had concerns when we got pulled over, especially
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at night. And so unfortunately for George Floyd, like white
well see it for the first time or acknowledge it
being stunned. Okay, yeah, and really it was eight minutes.
They didn't stopped because I like it when I see
white people out there protesting for for my carse yes,
I and I agree with you because I think that
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will make the ultimate difference because like you said, we
were used to this unfortunately, but it's gonna take white people,
um to get involved. So seeing them out there protesting
and you know, I mean, you know, painting Black Lives
Matter on their cars and businesses and everything. But we
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really do need um some change here, and um you know,
but they that was a big difference because I've never
seen that many um you know, that diversity and so
that yeah, I was I was stunning myself. Okay, Okay,
you know when you when you see it march, you know, okay,
white people, white people walking by the camera, white people,
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white people, black white people, white people, black black white people,
white people. We need this. We need this because because
because of the fact that it's not it doesn't become
like these horrible black people out here tearing up our cities.
These horrible black people, you know, you have to be
fearful of them. You know, lock your doors, don't let
them in your neighborhood. They're going to tear up your city.
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And that's what that's what was gonna happen without their participation.
And so because I because I could, I can see
you an iconic individual because of the fact that when
you these hoop ear rings, when you can take a
signature piece like a hoop ear ring, you know, and
then and then the people recognize as a style and
then you said, you know, I'm gonna make this a
fashion moment and then people buy it. How does that
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make you feel? I mean, I feel very empowered by that.
And um, you know, as a black woman, it's you know,
um to the part of you know, other black artists
that trans that really transmitt being on the music and
so to be in that category of style icon or
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you know, things of that nature. Um, it's a good
ceiling because it's like it's it's me. It's a part
of who I am and bringing great style and class
has been always very important to me. Now, let's let's
get the real deal. Now. When I've been waiting on
the kitchen talk, she dropped a little you know, when
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I was in junior high. You know, fry fish, she
makes some cupcakes and all that stuff. She she was
just setting us up that she didn't just start cooking
last week, or she didn't just start cooking during the pandemic,
just like act like she don't have nothing to do.
I've been cooking to the middle school. Yeah, okay, cool.
So uh you know, I'm If anybody knows anything about me,
(19:52):
Joda is that I'm a foodie. I love food. I
will eat my dessert for I eat my meal in public?
Are you taking to the fine out and strong? I go,
excuse me, excuse me, give me my desert. Men and
people have looked at me strange and go or you
did that stuff. I needs to know what I'm gonna
get right now, and so so talk about this whole
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the early stages of cooking and then cooking. Now you
know and how does how does it? Is it a
calm the calming effect for your life, for your career?
And um, you know because you know, because you know
your fitness person, wool, you probably eat a little bit
different than me because I I'll make you mad. Jody
be going because I make a lot of people mad. People,
How does he stay like that and eat like that?
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I get there a lot for people. You make me sick.
I get a lot of You make me sick with Sean,
you get on my nerves, get out my face. You know,
I eat a double King burger with relish double cheese,
uh with large fat fries and a large strawberry shake,
and won't miss a beat if that's a fat that's
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a fat burger for people who knew. She knew exactly
what I was talking about. I did. In fact, it's
funny you should mention fat burger because the original uh well,
used to the popular one used to be in l
a last end in the kind of the Beverly Hills area,
and it used to be the spot people would go
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there and parked out there on the weekend. Mean it
was the best. Uh So, yeah, I know about that burger.
She didn't break. She didn't break. Try when I started
rattling off that men, Yeah, yeah, that's a king Bourbon,
that's double king right there. Yeah, Yeah, come a large
fat She said, he ye he talking about he talking
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about fat burger right there, Lord strawberry shake yeppy, Yeah,
he really on point when everything he said right there,
he has not stun He is truly a guy who's
been in fat burgers. And I you know, I love
I love food. Um, you know, I started cooking and
junior high the necessity initially because my mom and dad
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split up and when I was did with my dad, um,
somebody had to do the cooking. So my mom was
a good so I just kind of remember things that
she made and uh and so you know, growing up,
I've always enjoyed cooking. It's relaxing, um, you know, like
since I've been in entertainment for you know, most of
(22:28):
my life since a teenager. So it's always a treat
to make a home cook meal being home and people
look at me and say, oh, she probably can't cook. Absolutely.
You know, you're attractive, you know everything. Yeah, everybody don't
know you have to you know, you don't look like
you did have bad days. You know for people look
people looking at they make assessments of you. You know
(22:51):
what you didn't cook? Look at that. You know, the
second time around, you know what I'm saying. That's right,
you know, you know she has somebody because of h
But I love to cook, cook, and I love to bake.
One of my favorite things to bake my kids. I
have a daughter and a son their young adults now,
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but Thankgiving, I do uh tiny butter rolls and from
scratch with the yeast that rises that take three hours
and the whole bit. But it's always love. So I
think I love you could love into cooking like so,
I understand your passion. And and food is a thing
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like music. It makes people happy too, doesn't happen? Well,
it made me happy. And I know I'm having a
fantastic time, you know, talking to you about just life
in general, because of the fact that you know, first
of all, you're an entrepreneur and your independent thinker and
uh and the part about success, I know that and
I tell people all the time, you know, being successful
(23:53):
in the entertainment business rough because everybody sees your can
see you. Okay, you know you've been successful it IBM,
nobody sees you. I'm not saying this name, but nobody
sees you. But when you're entertainment, they see you. They
know they might know how much money you're making. They
can they know the ticket prices, they know the size
of the venues you play, and so that takes a
mental toll on what people can perceive you being a
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wanting to be a capable of producing and so so
it's important that these relationships. And I'm just gonna let
you know, Jody, I'm in your life now. Okay, So
so you know you you got stuff dropping, don't you
don't don't do don't you got no world? Said when
we shot, I forgot about you said it's gonna be
a problem between me and you, Miss Jodie Wide. I'm
just let you know, you know, around trying to shut
(24:37):
down your YouTube channel. That's what I'm gonna be doing that.
You know. You know this bru Shawn's trolling Jody while
on on social media. He's crazy, man, he's crazy. Is
he a sick o? Joe? I only did one interview
with I don't know what's wrong with the dude. I
just do want any of you to do. He've been
(24:57):
trolling Mirror because somebody's stop him. No, I'm just know
it's a joy. It's a complete joy because I wanted
to meet you and you're a person that because even
though you're behind the scenes, I want to tell you
I'm the kind of person like I like researching people
like well, who especially successful people as well? Who's on
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this team? Who you know? And then again it goes
back to when I was middle and I used to
read about four models and I was like, I wonder
who who runs for my models? And I went to
the library and looked up I leaning forward. So I
like to know about people. So I've been knowing about
you for a long time. Thank you, And I have
so much respect for you. So you control me all
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you like. Well, but before we go, I I don't
want to. I can't be you know, I kind of
you know, people get mad. Well, you're starting talking about
the kitchen. Didn't you just stop talking? So let's talk
about that the kitchen. What you're doing now? What's some
of your favorite meals? And because you mentioned you mentioned
some good Southern starters fry fishing, cupcakes. To get some
(26:02):
good black people rolling right there, right there, right there
talking about you talking about skills. Well, you know what,
one thing I encourage people that follow me, I do
meatless Monday. Um. Last week I did a black eyed
tea and um. So I, you know, gave the recipe
and everything, and I had it with a chale salad
(26:24):
because I in this pandemic. Also everybody can be always
felt and have a double double. Are you trying to
hit at me? Are you trying to hit at me?
I'm the only person on talking about a double double
double meat double t Stop nicking up. So I share
(26:50):
healthy recipes and um, and then you know, my cheat days,
my indulgences and everything. Because also being a woman, it's
like people would look at different. So I try to
stay in shape, but I let people know you can
have robust, the wealth season, great healthy food and then
you can have your cheat days where you can have
(27:12):
your fried chickens and you know, with extra hot sauce
on it and greens with me. But you can also
have the greens without me, so you know, I so
I mixed it up and you know, and to inspire others, okay, cool,
let me asine U. These are like short videos or
or that you can upload and stuff like that or huh.
(27:33):
They just you shoot them live and that's where they
live on your social media. I put them on my website.
Dye Whitley got net do a blog. I don't feel
them yet, well not true, I do feel them, okay,
if you feel them. And it's short version to me
and I put on my Saturday because I always you know,
I had tim tim ARII just recent relationships or all that.
(27:55):
I would love to post some of your work. If
you have photos, if you have photos, food that you've
cooked and just the recipe, I post that. Let's let's
do that, let's have let's have some fun with this,
and let's have some fun with two photos and some recipes.
I start posting it on Saturday, just just you know,
just having fun, just showing people another great side of
your your brand, your career, what you're doing out there.
(28:17):
But more important than just having fun in life, you know,
because people need to see that, and it's it's just amazing.
So so let's tell everybody about social media girl and
your websites. And you know it's it's thirty minutes now.
You know we've been talking for thirty minutes. You know that, Jody,
it just went so quick. I've known you all my life.
We're just friends out If you're thirty minutes now, I'm
(28:39):
just gonna let you know. It's so funny people are
talking to Shine. I go, hey, dude, it's thirty minutes.
We really need to stop. So people get there a
lot to go. Wow, that's it. That's it cool. So
tell about your social and your website, and you owe
me before we can show you that you owe me. Um,
you know the facial mask. You'll meet candles and you'll
(29:02):
me some and you'll meet some photos of food along
with the recipes. And I swear to you, Jody, I
will post and I swear to you, I put it
I I I don't ever get on this. And if
you're talking about something, I want to I've committed to
your success, continued success, let me say it straight. Your
continued success and just being able to share another side
(29:24):
of you as an entrepreneur and a home or home body.
That's what I call people cook at the own whole bodies.
You know, entrepreneur is the is the sanctuary candles and
the facial mass. That's the entrepreneur side of you. And
when you're and now my headquarters is in Atlanta. I
have in my office my building. I bought a building.
I'm just gonna brag a little bit. I bought a
(29:45):
big build here and so and so I have a
full or full kitchen in my building. When you come
to Atlanta, invite you to come by and we're gonna
cook in the kitchen, and were don't videotape it. Okay,
we're gonna put that on social media. Okay, you know
we're gonna no, but just we're gonna do, Jody, We're
gonna argue in the kitchen. That's gonna be fun. Okay,
because what you're gonna do is come my kids to
(30:06):
tell me what to do. I can I can tell that,
but I'm a lively time ms. Joe Rochan tell us
about your social media website, Joe that you've been so
(30:26):
much fun. Let's let's get it out there. Okay, all
my socials are verified Joey Watley j O d y
W A T l Y because you know some people
still can't spell. Website is Jodi Watley dot net and
it links to all my socials, my boutique and everything.
So I'm very accessible and holler at your girl, Ill
(30:51):
at you girl. I hollowized your girl for thirty minutes
and it's been awesome. And you know you you have
called blast to come on my show again. In the future.
Because what we're gonna do when you get near Chris Smith,
like November, wanta come on back? Promote stuff that you know,
the Hoopie rank and all that stuff I so people
can buy for Christmas. President get that hype rolling. And
then I always do like a Black Monday, and I
(31:11):
dropped all of my friends stuff in there and I
put it out on social media. Does really well. So
know that that the rushawn got you already lined up
for for some addition, as they say, mailbox money, Joey,
I love you girl, Thank you, thank you for coming
to Money Making Conversations. Okay, we talked soon. Alright, bye
bye bye. If you want to hear more money Making
(31:33):
Conversation and if you please go to money Making Conversation
dot com. I'm with Sean McDonald. I am your host
Host
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