June 24, 2020 • 29 mins
Keith David is a classically trained actor, winning 3 Emmys out of 6 nominations as well as being nominated for a Tony award. He co-starred with Chadwick Boseman in "21 Bridges," which was in theaters last year. Later this year, Keith will be seen in the feature "Horizon Line" with Allison Williams ("Get Out"). He is filming "Black As Night," a Blumhouse anthology series for Amazon. He co-stars in the OWN network series Greenleaf, Bishop Greenleaf. He is on the show to discuss how his acting talents can swing between comedy, sci-fi, voice-over roles, and drama and most importantly we will discuss the final season of Greenleaf, he plays Bishop James Greenleaf. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations, Keith David.
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My guests is one of the stars of the Own
Network series green Leaf, to show a premiere on June
twenty three on Own. He's one of my favorite Hollywood's
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actors because he can swing between comedy, sci fi, bosover
dramatic roads Broadway. He has an incredible acting range. Like
I said, Broadway, Something about Mary, Run of my all
time have funny movies that he appeared in Pitch Black,
Sci Fi, Barber Shop, Teenade, Mutant, Ninja, Turtles. Plus he
has won three Emmy's performing forceable work, please work. In
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the Money Making conversation discussed the final season of Greenleaf,
the actor and singer that you did a lot of
you guys don't know about. He plays Bishop James Greenleaf.
Please welcome, Keith David. How are you doing, sir? I'm
well man. How are you doing? Really good? Really good? Uh?
Four seasons down, a fifth season ago. We know about television,
sometimes you can get green leading. They don't even last
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beyond the burning of the cantle. Uh, going into five season?
Talk about that. Talk about the journey of this series
so far before we get into details. From a personal perspective,
tell has been an incredible journey for me because, um
years in my life I used to fantasize about being
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a preacher. I used to want to be a preacher,
and uh uh, I didn't. I didn't want to be
a kind of Jack leg. So I decided to pursue
other areas of my life, you know, and in the
life of an artist, and I believe that they're both
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are calling. So now you know, I feel that acting
is my ministry. Uh. But when Breenley came along, it
was like dream being fulfilled. I mean it was truly
a blessing. If you don't you know, if if you
don't believe in God, well uh that's that's your business.
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But God loves you anyway. And that was well, I
believe in God, blessing. I believe in God. So keep talking,
keep talking. Well, I mean that was that was That
was living proof that you know that that God is
always looking out for me, and take better care of
me than that care and take it my absolutely, I
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believe in that. And I believe that the worker focus,
we'll get you there, and the blessings are based on
your hard work, and your career is showing a body
of work that is tied to you know. The thing
I like about your career is that, you know, I
always tell people, wherever the opportunity is pointed, give it
a hundred percent and go forward, you know, voice over work,
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going forward, Sinking Broadway comedy drama. That's a really versatile
plate of as they say, food that you're dining on there, sir,
talk to us about being able to have that range
and that ability and and and and that that blessing
right there, be able to do all these different things.
Because some people are just good at comedies some people
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just good at dramatic roles. But you've being able to
You're able to swing back and forth. Talk to us
about that. Well, first of all, I'm lucky to be
able to do that. But that's what I trained for,
That's what I spent my life training for. You know,
I spent I spent ten years of my life in
class training, right, you know, from high school and college
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and uh and and you know, the the greatest I think,
and I get to do it, Yes, sir, that which
I prepared myself to do. You know, isn't that great?
I mean it is great. I mean that's I mean,
that's the blessing beyond my wildest imagination. And I appreciate that. Now,
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let's let's talk about green Leaf. Okay, last season, let
me just talk about your character a little bit because
the last season, you know, Grace character became a dominant
character lady maid, and we saw what Charity was doing
and undermined the family, and Carissa character kind of undermined
the relationship she had with Jacob. The men. The men
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character I felt were kind of like like, well, like
we'll pushed a little bit to the back of the
female and none negative back when I say that none negative,
because you got the storylines you have to develop. And
then I see this trailer for the final season and
you you you preaching through the whole thing, You through
the whole thing. Bishop, Are you trying to send us
a message? Is your voice coming to the forth front
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of the series with prayer and leadership for the fifth season?
Talk to me, well, you know, uh, the Family Journey
has always been about, you know, been about re establishing
ourselves in the church and uh grace coming, grace coming
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back home to uh uh just rectify what what what
had gone on previously in the family. And so and
I think that when we when we started the series,
Bishop was in a place where he was ready to
atone to whatever he had, you know, past uh discrepancy,
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you know what you know, and and and and face
them head on. Of course, now when you when you
say you're ready for that, but when the moment comes,
you say, oh, God doesn't have to be right now,
you know. So he's gone through all of that. But
you know in season five, you know, uh we see
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you know, you know, everything has a ripple effect, it
really does. Yeah, and so and so he's gonna he's
gonna deal with that and so, um, that's what season
five is about. This final referee. Come on, now, come
on thatw what what you know what it's like, you
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know when you got to you know it's you know,
it's uh, it's like, uh, let meagine this, Keith about
you're about your character about the show. Okay, because of
the fact that the finale set up a lot of
a lot of storylines that finale. So I'm talking about
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season four for nowe. You know Charity, she you thought
you could convince her to vote the right way. She did, Okay,
that I'm sure shocked your character. You thought she would
see the right way. Then she got kicked to the
curb by Phil when Bob Whitmore, the owner of H
and H, told her, if you want to stay some
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stay have power in this whole situation with this church.
You gotta marry my daughter who happens to be white.
If you're not following the series, So those are just
a small level of dynamics when you when you get
this script, and these scripts have to be juicy at
the table reading, these scripts have to be juicy. When
you shot him. You can just see all this stuff
playing itself out and then but but Charity for the
fifth season, she's undermined the family. How do you bring
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her back into the family without destroying the storylines that
we have not seen yet for the fifth season? You know,
you you you raise your kids to be good people,
right and you and you try to convince him to
do the next rightst thing, and then you then you
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have to let go and let God handle it the
way he's going to handle it. And I think that
also that's also one of the one of the big
lessons that the bishop learns is you know, in spite
of your intentions, it's gonna go away. God intends it
to go and and we have and we just have
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to pray for the grace to deal with that because
it may not be, it may not be exactly the
way you wanted it to, no matter what your intentions are.
You know, you know, you know deal with that. You
know you got that great voice there, Keith, You know
you got that that profound voice as they say, you
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know when I when I do TV shows, uh Jury,
they called the voice of God. It's so eloquent, it's
so it's so strong. Come let's go tell the truth
about this and so like I said, you have that
natural gift to be to be able to resonate like
a minister. And so so you're the bishop James Greenley
f the series. The premieres Greenley for SIS June premiers
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June three on the Own Network. Now in the trailer.
Now in the trailer, I see your kissing lady may huh. Okay,
Now I know you've been wanting to huh my wife.
Well you know, but job, you'll kind of like had
a little discard over the years, and these these are
these final seasons here, come on, now, come on, don't
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act like I'm not going if you, If you, you
don't have to be with somebody for five years to
have a little discord a little bit, so you can
believe after forty or five years there are that they're
gonna be some challenges that arrived, sir. But you know,
but you know with you know, uh, with belief and
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the God, if your understanding, you know, God will find
a way absolutely if it meant and if it's meant
to be. So you so you know that's where we are. Okay.
So so okay, now we got Charity. You gotta bring
her back in the fold. I catch you kissing Lady
May in the trailer, which is a good thing. Which
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is a good thing. Now are y'all y'all all praying
holding hands? The entire family. Jacob was in there, Zora, Sophia, Carissa,
and so so everybody is living at this house, this
giant house is a beautiful house as a lake on
the property. And Carrissa has issues because she's tired of
living in your mama's house, your daddy's house. So so
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as as the man of the house, the bishop, how
does that play out as far as far as the
characterization of what you're trying to do and what you're
trying to deliver on this show as the bishop, not
only at the church what you've lost, but holding onto
the house that you mainly lose basis and information that
Karissa got from Fernando. Can you talk to me about that?
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I cannot talk to you about that. Come on, come on,
come on, come on, I can't. I can tell you,
um that that that will that will play out, That
will play out. I think you're going to be, um,
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you know, wonderfully surprised because the story is so exciting
and but you know, the thing that I think is
so wonderful about it is you know, uh, you know,
God works and so so many mysterious ways. We don't
know what the ways of God are and what the
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lessons are to be looking and that's what makes that's
what makes I think the uh, the series so compelling
is that, uh, in the midst of this, you know,
this storytelling is so such a relationship with real life
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and what happens in life. Because in life it doesn't
always turn out to be as hunky dory as you
like it. Now, you know, and and and we have
to deal with that. And that happens, that happens in
ministers families, that happens in bishops families, that happens in
church families, that happens in families that never go to church.
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when Grace was trying to reconnect with a J. Now
you didn't tell music Roshan. Look at the store, Look
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episode now when at the end of the last season
that Grace was at Fate's grave site and this gentleman
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who looked like a J but he wasn't a J
walked up to her at the grave site and he
walked away. Any inkling of what that character was. Was
he an angel? What was he? Well, you know I
have to leave that up to you because you know,
um in life again, I love the way our imitates
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life because there there are many times when you have
an experience like that. You know, that way reminded me
of well, he looked like he could have been so
and so son and maybe maybe it was maybe it
wasn't right, you know. I mean, you know sometimes when
we when we have dreams and they speak to us,
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and I mean I've had dreams that were so real that, uh,
if you would have asked me today did it really happen?
I would not have good conscious be able to swear
that it didn't. Mm hmmm, I agree. So so, you know,
I mean that's the way I see. That moment is
one of It's one of those sort of god shot
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moments where you don't you know, was that him? Was
that not him? Whatever it was it was, it was
it was a momentary miracle. It was it was it
that she needed, she needs, she needed some Godly reassurance
of some kind, and she got it. Oh that that
and it was well written because her she was questioning
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her faith looking down at the gray side of faith.
And then this character came up to out of mystery
and spoke to her. And I want to don't want
to tell everybody everything, because everybody should if you hadn't
watched this, sire, and go watch one, two, three, four
and get caught up before you start June twenty third
and watching season five. The thing about it is that
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I just want your opinion, sir, because I got you
on the show. Give me your thoughts on each one
of these people who are in your life. They play characters.
But what are your thoughts about feel what who works
under barb with more or h Who's I mean? I mean,
you know, and here's the guy, Here's here's the here's
the here's the guy who I believe starts out with
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some kind of some kind of faith. But you see,
the devil is a click and and and puts all
kinds of temptations in front of it. Sometimes it's a
beautiful woman. Sometimes it comes in the form of money,
Sometimes it comes in the form of power, sometimes it
sometimes it comes in the form of some combination of
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all of those. Uh but at all. But but you know,
the devil can also uh disguise himself in ambition, and
you know, and the eager as a monster, because the
eagle could fool you to thinking that it is you,
and it will it will you know, uh start motivating
you in ways that you think is pure, but it's
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really couched behind some uh it going needs. That's that's
stoked by greed. Uh and and the worst parts of
ambition that becomes selfish and you become selfishly driven so
that you know, uh, you lose your way that they
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can't see the you can't see the forest for the trees.
So started up. I think he started out, you know,
because he wanted to have his own church. He got
an opportunity, You got an opportunity to work with this
man who you know, promised him big things, one of
which that he wouldn't yes one day he would have
his own church. So Okay, if the sacrifice I have
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to make is being a ghost writer, I mean that
may not be the biggest sin in the world. Okay, fine, uh,
but then it leads you to do other things. And
but when it becomes you know, I mean the thing
about phil when it comes down to taking down your
own and that is that is that is both you know, uh,
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familiarly and spiritually. Uh. Then you know, then you have
you know, you have to question those motives, and you
know which the bishop does from the beginning. Bishop questions
his motives from from the beginnings. You know, sees tees,
that knows who sees and knows who he is, because
he knows who Bob. Let's go right there, who is Bob?
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Is he the devil? Well? I mean again, the devil
has many forms, which many names, many disguises, and you know,
I mean what I mean. I can't call out every
ambitious preacher uh in the world, but you know sometimes
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when they when they ambition uh overrides your true sense
of spirituality. Then that there's something to be questioned, because
you know, we have to watch out for false gods,
and money is one of them. Absolutely. We we live,
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we live in a society. Well, money isn't necessary. I mean,
you know, even in biblical times, you know, uh, the
money wasn't the same as it as it is now.
But you know, people, you know, people got got lost.
You know, you know, how many camels do you have?
How much bread do you have? You know, they were
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all there were all kinds of ways to disguise that
that particular evil of greed, and that's and that you
know that seems to be the center storyline. Greed, greed
happens in this in the story, especially Bob, you know's
that's for lad feel down this path twenty years and
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like you saying, ghost writing and never getting credit and
then misleading, I don't, I don't know, do you do?
You did? I read this role? I felt that Phil
really did care for charity, but then when it pushed
came to a shop and denying his dreams tied to greed,
he denounced that relationship to follow the path of greed.
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Am I wrongest saying that I don't. I don't think
So that's you know what I mean? You know and
and and you don't have to also understand that whatever
whatever your interpretation is, if when we're telling story in
a parable in the powable situation, whatever it is that
you need to learn, that's your lesson. Now you watch
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it again, you may get a different lesson. True, true,
But that's the that's the lesson you got watching it
the first time. So I mean, I can't tell you
that that's not true or that's not a part of
uh stops to be learned here that is one of
that is certainly one of the least. Now, Jacob, Jacob
has not lived a good life. He's had something that
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we all have had. We stumped out foot and made mistakes.
And both as a single man, as a married man,
and as a father. What are your thoughts about his
as a relationship with you in the direction he's grown
as a character as a man on this show living
under your house, under your roof again, you know what
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I mean? And there, you know, I can't at this
very second quote to you who in the Bible Jacob
reminds me? You know, and here is here is a
man you know, he's like like like I think maybe
maybe Joseph's brother brothers um, here's a Here's a man
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who's lived under the show. Know if his father his
whole life, he's had you know, he's had everything. He's
ever you know, everything has been given to him. Uh
and and he's so but his his mother has also
been very protective, you know, yeah, despite of what his
father might have. You know, his father has always wanted
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them to be you know, go out and find his
own self. I mean, I remember, I think it's in
season two or three, I said to him, I said,
look at me and tell me get out of my face.
So man, let me do my thing. But you won't
even do that right, you won't even specify in your way.
I can't give this to you. I can't give you nothing.
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You have to earn us. And that's a lesson that
a man's got a lot. Absolutely, absolutely it is really
when I when I look at your the journey of
this show and we're talking to U. Keith David, one
of the stars of Green lift Or. The series premiers
June twenty three on their own network. He plays the
Bishop on the series. Um it really I would just
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telling you this, uh. And I've enjoyed this run of
the first four seasons. I'm looking forward to the final
season because it allows me to stay calm. It allows me,
as you can see, like you said, Raean, you might
look at it on one episode, didn't look at it
two weeks later and see something or be mostly driven
by something else. And that really is what this series
is about. It allows you choices. It allows you to
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be able to understand the values that you have for yourself,
whether whether you believe or you don't believe. But if
you believe these are the options that you have to
make decisions based on. It has to be just an
amazing Like you said early on when you started this
interview with me, you always wanted to be a minister,
and this blessing came about where for five seasons you
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could play a bishop on a on a role that
also look inside yourself and feel compelled that you're you're
changing people's lives. Even though it's a role, you still
are changing people's lives. Do you believe that, well, I mean,
you know, praised God, there is that book central and
uh and and and I have absolutely loved that opportunity
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to be able to tell those kinds of stories. I mean,
that's I mean, that's ah, that's what we do. You know.
You know, I'm an actor, I'm an artist, and and
we and we we tell stories in order to inform
our lives that there are there is another way of
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doing things. You know that. You know, it's not that
there's not just one way to um get through any
given situation, you know, And I mean, you know, I
believe that even now in this COVID situation, God does
not put us in situations that he doesn't provide a
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way out of and I doesn't have to be wait
uh to what those possibilities are before we close out.
I just I know when you've got other projects other
than green Leaf premier in June twenty three, off year,
if you want to shout him out. I got a
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project with Alison Weaves coming up, a project on Amazon.
You want to expound on those a little bit before
we wrap up here, Mrs David, I am. I'm working
right now. I'm working on the show based on the
life of Joe Williams and uh and uh. My great
hope is that it will be uh, you know, the
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the pandemic will um allow us to move into theaters
and into and you'll get to that you will get
to see it when it's time. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, but
be on be on the lookout. Absolutely absolutely, my friend,
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Chief Adam, and thank you for coming on money Making Conversations.
I really appreciate it that you allowed me to talk
to you, you know, and and and I know you
can give me too much on seven five, but you
gave me enough leading up to season five to let
me know that I need to be watching season five.
I want to thank you for coming on money Making conversations, sir,
thank you man. Appreciate it. If you want to hear
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My guests is one of the stars of the Own
Network series green Leaf, to show a premiere on June
twenty three on Own. He's one of my favorite Hollywood's
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actors because he can swing between comedy, sci fi, bosover
dramatic roads Broadway. He has an incredible acting range. Like
I said, Broadway, Something about Mary, Run of my all
time have funny movies that he appeared in Pitch Black,
Sci Fi, Barber Shop, Teenade, Mutant, Ninja, Turtles. Plus he
has won three Emmy's performing forceable work, please work. In
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the Money Making conversation discussed the final season of Greenleaf,
the actor and singer that you did a lot of
you guys don't know about. He plays Bishop James Greenleaf.
Please welcome, Keith David. How are you doing, sir? I'm
well man. How are you doing? Really good? Really good? Uh?
Four seasons down, a fifth season ago. We know about television,
sometimes you can get green leading. They don't even last
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beyond the burning of the cantle. Uh, going into five season?
Talk about that. Talk about the journey of this series
so far before we get into details. From a personal perspective,
tell has been an incredible journey for me because, um
years in my life I used to fantasize about being
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a preacher. I used to want to be a preacher,
and uh uh, I didn't. I didn't want to be
a kind of Jack leg. So I decided to pursue
other areas of my life, you know, and in the
life of an artist, and I believe that they're both
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are calling. So now you know, I feel that acting
is my ministry. Uh. But when Breenley came along, it
was like dream being fulfilled. I mean it was truly
a blessing. If you don't you know, if if you
don't believe in God, well uh that's that's your business.
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But God loves you anyway. And that was well, I
believe in God, blessing. I believe in God. So keep talking,
keep talking. Well, I mean that was that was That
was living proof that you know that that God is
always looking out for me, and take better care of
me than that care and take it my absolutely, I
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believe in that. And I believe that the worker focus,
we'll get you there, and the blessings are based on
your hard work, and your career is showing a body
of work that is tied to you know. The thing
I like about your career is that, you know, I
always tell people, wherever the opportunity is pointed, give it
a hundred percent and go forward, you know, voice over work,
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going forward, Sinking Broadway comedy drama. That's a really versatile
plate of as they say, food that you're dining on there, sir,
talk to us about being able to have that range
and that ability and and and and that that blessing
right there, be able to do all these different things.
Because some people are just good at comedies some people
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just good at dramatic roles. But you've being able to
You're able to swing back and forth. Talk to us
about that. Well, first of all, I'm lucky to be
able to do that. But that's what I trained for,
That's what I spent my life training for. You know,
I spent I spent ten years of my life in
class training, right, you know, from high school and college
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and uh and and you know, the the greatest I think,
and I get to do it, Yes, sir, that which
I prepared myself to do. You know, isn't that great?
I mean it is great. I mean that's I mean,
that's the blessing beyond my wildest imagination. And I appreciate that. Now,
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let's let's talk about green Leaf. Okay, last season, let
me just talk about your character a little bit because
the last season, you know, Grace character became a dominant
character lady maid, and we saw what Charity was doing
and undermined the family, and Carissa character kind of undermined
the relationship she had with Jacob. The men. The men
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character I felt were kind of like like, well, like
we'll pushed a little bit to the back of the
female and none negative back when I say that none negative,
because you got the storylines you have to develop. And
then I see this trailer for the final season and
you you you preaching through the whole thing, You through
the whole thing. Bishop, Are you trying to send us
a message? Is your voice coming to the forth front
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of the series with prayer and leadership for the fifth season?
Talk to me, well, you know, uh, the Family Journey
has always been about, you know, been about re establishing
ourselves in the church and uh grace coming, grace coming
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back home to uh uh just rectify what what what
had gone on previously in the family. And so and
I think that when we when we started the series,
Bishop was in a place where he was ready to
atone to whatever he had, you know, past uh discrepancy,
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you know what you know, and and and and face
them head on. Of course, now when you when you
say you're ready for that, but when the moment comes,
you say, oh, God doesn't have to be right now,
you know. So he's gone through all of that. But
you know in season five, you know, uh we see
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you know, you know, everything has a ripple effect, it
really does. Yeah, and so and so he's gonna he's
gonna deal with that and so, um, that's what season
five is about. This final referee. Come on, now, come
on thatw what what you know what it's like, you
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know when you got to you know it's you know,
it's uh, it's like, uh, let meagine this, Keith about
you're about your character about the show. Okay, because of
the fact that the finale set up a lot of
a lot of storylines that finale. So I'm talking about
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season four for nowe. You know Charity, she you thought
you could convince her to vote the right way. She did, Okay,
that I'm sure shocked your character. You thought she would
see the right way. Then she got kicked to the
curb by Phil when Bob Whitmore, the owner of H
and H, told her, if you want to stay some
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stay have power in this whole situation with this church.
You gotta marry my daughter who happens to be white.
If you're not following the series, So those are just
a small level of dynamics when you when you get
this script, and these scripts have to be juicy at
the table reading, these scripts have to be juicy. When
you shot him. You can just see all this stuff
playing itself out and then but but Charity for the
fifth season, she's undermined the family. How do you bring
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her back into the family without destroying the storylines that
we have not seen yet for the fifth season? You know,
you you you raise your kids to be good people,
right and you and you try to convince him to
do the next rightst thing, and then you then you
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have to let go and let God handle it the
way he's going to handle it. And I think that
also that's also one of the one of the big
lessons that the bishop learns is you know, in spite
of your intentions, it's gonna go away. God intends it
to go and and we have and we just have
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to pray for the grace to deal with that because
it may not be, it may not be exactly the
way you wanted it to, no matter what your intentions are.
You know, you know, you know deal with that. You
know you got that great voice there, Keith, You know
you got that that profound voice as they say, you
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know when I when I do TV shows, uh Jury,
they called the voice of God. It's so eloquent, it's
so it's so strong. Come let's go tell the truth
about this and so like I said, you have that
natural gift to be to be able to resonate like
a minister. And so so you're the bishop James Greenley
f the series. The premieres Greenley for SIS June premiers
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June three on the Own Network. Now in the trailer.
Now in the trailer, I see your kissing lady may huh. Okay,
Now I know you've been wanting to huh my wife.
Well you know, but job, you'll kind of like had
a little discard over the years, and these these are
these final seasons here, come on, now, come on, don't
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act like I'm not going if you, If you, you
don't have to be with somebody for five years to
have a little discord a little bit, so you can
believe after forty or five years there are that they're
gonna be some challenges that arrived, sir. But you know,
but you know with you know, uh, with belief and
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the God, if your understanding, you know, God will find
a way absolutely if it meant and if it's meant
to be. So you so you know that's where we are. Okay.
So so okay, now we got Charity. You gotta bring
her back in the fold. I catch you kissing Lady
May in the trailer, which is a good thing. Which
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is a good thing. Now are y'all y'all all praying
holding hands? The entire family. Jacob was in there, Zora, Sophia, Carissa,
and so so everybody is living at this house, this
giant house is a beautiful house as a lake on
the property. And Carrissa has issues because she's tired of
living in your mama's house, your daddy's house. So so
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as as the man of the house, the bishop, how
does that play out as far as far as the
characterization of what you're trying to do and what you're
trying to deliver on this show as the bishop, not
only at the church what you've lost, but holding onto
the house that you mainly lose basis and information that
Karissa got from Fernando. Can you talk to me about that?
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I cannot talk to you about that. Come on, come on,
come on, come on, I can't. I can tell you,
um that that that will that will play out, That
will play out. I think you're going to be, um,
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you know, wonderfully surprised because the story is so exciting
and but you know, the thing that I think is
so wonderful about it is you know, uh, you know,
God works and so so many mysterious ways. We don't
know what the ways of God are and what the
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lessons are to be looking and that's what makes that's
what makes I think the uh, the series so compelling
is that, uh, in the midst of this, you know,
this storytelling is so such a relationship with real life
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and what happens in life. Because in life it doesn't
always turn out to be as hunky dory as you
like it. Now, you know, and and and we have
to deal with that. And that happens, that happens in
ministers families, that happens in bishops families, that happens in
church families, that happens in families that never go to church.
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when Grace was trying to reconnect with a J. Now
you didn't tell music Roshan. Look at the store, Look
at your store. Look tell them all my fans. You're
not gonna give us any extra, any little in roads
into what may be happening in season five. Watch the
episode now when at the end of the last season
that Grace was at Fate's grave site and this gentleman
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who looked like a J but he wasn't a J
walked up to her at the grave site and he
walked away. Any inkling of what that character was. Was
he an angel? What was he? Well, you know I
have to leave that up to you because you know,
um in life again, I love the way our imitates
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life because there there are many times when you have
an experience like that. You know, that way reminded me
of well, he looked like he could have been so
and so son and maybe maybe it was maybe it
wasn't right, you know. I mean, you know sometimes when
we when we have dreams and they speak to us,
(16:56):
and I mean I've had dreams that were so real that, uh,
if you would have asked me today did it really happen?
I would not have good conscious be able to swear
that it didn't. Mm hmmm, I agree. So so, you know,
I mean that's the way I see. That moment is
one of It's one of those sort of god shot
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moments where you don't you know, was that him? Was
that not him? Whatever it was it was, it was
it was a momentary miracle. It was it was it
that she needed, she needs, she needed some Godly reassurance
of some kind, and she got it. Oh that that
and it was well written because her she was questioning
(17:42):
her faith looking down at the gray side of faith.
And then this character came up to out of mystery
and spoke to her. And I want to don't want
to tell everybody everything, because everybody should if you hadn't
watched this, sire, and go watch one, two, three, four
and get caught up before you start June twenty third
and watching season five. The thing about it is that
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I just want your opinion, sir, because I got you
on the show. Give me your thoughts on each one
of these people who are in your life. They play characters.
But what are your thoughts about feel what who works
under barb with more or h Who's I mean? I mean,
you know, and here's the guy, Here's here's the here's
the here's the guy who I believe starts out with
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some kind of some kind of faith. But you see,
the devil is a click and and and puts all
kinds of temptations in front of it. Sometimes it's a
beautiful woman. Sometimes it comes in the form of money,
Sometimes it comes in the form of power, sometimes it
sometimes it comes in the form of some combination of
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all of those. Uh but at all. But but you know,
the devil can also uh disguise himself in ambition, and
you know, and the eager as a monster, because the
eagle could fool you to thinking that it is you,
and it will it will you know, uh start motivating
you in ways that you think is pure, but it's
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really couched behind some uh it going needs. That's that's
stoked by greed. Uh and and the worst parts of
ambition that becomes selfish and you become selfishly driven so
that you know, uh, you lose your way that they
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can't see the you can't see the forest for the trees.
So started up. I think he started out, you know,
because he wanted to have his own church. He got
an opportunity, You got an opportunity to work with this
man who you know, promised him big things, one of
which that he wouldn't yes one day he would have
his own church. So Okay, if the sacrifice I have
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to make is being a ghost writer, I mean that
may not be the biggest sin in the world. Okay, fine, uh,
but then it leads you to do other things. And
but when it becomes you know, I mean the thing
about phil when it comes down to taking down your
own and that is that is that is both you know, uh,
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familiarly and spiritually. Uh. Then you know, then you have
you know, you have to question those motives, and you
know which the bishop does from the beginning. Bishop questions
his motives from from the beginnings. You know, sees tees,
that knows who sees and knows who he is, because
he knows who Bob. Let's go right there, who is Bob?
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Is he the devil? Well? I mean again, the devil
has many forms, which many names, many disguises, and you know,
I mean what I mean. I can't call out every
ambitious preacher uh in the world, but you know sometimes
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when they when they ambition uh overrides your true sense
of spirituality. Then that there's something to be questioned, because
you know, we have to watch out for false gods,
and money is one of them. Absolutely. We we live,
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we live in a society. Well, money isn't necessary. I mean,
you know, even in biblical times, you know, uh, the
money wasn't the same as it as it is now.
But you know, people, you know, people got got lost.
You know, you know, how many camels do you have?
How much bread do you have? You know, they were
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all there were all kinds of ways to disguise that
that particular evil of greed, and that's and that you
know that seems to be the center storyline. Greed, greed
happens in this in the story, especially Bob, you know's
that's for lad feel down this path twenty years and
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like you saying, ghost writing and never getting credit and
then misleading, I don't, I don't know, do you do?
You did? I read this role? I felt that Phil
really did care for charity, but then when it pushed
came to a shop and denying his dreams tied to greed,
he denounced that relationship to follow the path of greed.
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Am I wrongest saying that I don't. I don't think
So that's you know what I mean? You know and
and and you don't have to also understand that whatever
whatever your interpretation is, if when we're telling story in
a parable in the powable situation, whatever it is that
you need to learn, that's your lesson. Now you watch
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it again, you may get a different lesson. True, true,
But that's the that's the lesson you got watching it
the first time. So I mean, I can't tell you
that that's not true or that's not a part of
uh stops to be learned here that is one of
that is certainly one of the least. Now, Jacob, Jacob
has not lived a good life. He's had something that
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we all have had. We stumped out foot and made mistakes.
And both as a single man, as a married man,
and as a father. What are your thoughts about his
as a relationship with you in the direction he's grown
as a character as a man on this show living
under your house, under your roof again, you know what
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I mean? And there, you know, I can't at this
very second quote to you who in the Bible Jacob
reminds me? You know, and here is here is a
man you know, he's like like like I think maybe
maybe Joseph's brother brothers um, here's a Here's a man
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who's lived under the show. Know if his father his
whole life, he's had you know, he's had everything. He's
ever you know, everything has been given to him. Uh
and and he's so but his his mother has also
been very protective, you know, yeah, despite of what his
father might have. You know, his father has always wanted
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them to be you know, go out and find his
own self. I mean, I remember, I think it's in
season two or three, I said to him, I said,
look at me and tell me get out of my face.
So man, let me do my thing. But you won't
even do that right, you won't even specify in your way.
I can't give this to you. I can't give you nothing.
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You have to earn us. And that's a lesson that
a man's got a lot. Absolutely, absolutely it is really
when I when I look at your the journey of
this show and we're talking to U. Keith David, one
of the stars of Green lift Or. The series premiers
June twenty three on their own network. He plays the
Bishop on the series. Um it really I would just
(25:01):
telling you this, uh. And I've enjoyed this run of
the first four seasons. I'm looking forward to the final
season because it allows me to stay calm. It allows me,
as you can see, like you said, Raean, you might
look at it on one episode, didn't look at it
two weeks later and see something or be mostly driven
by something else. And that really is what this series
is about. It allows you choices. It allows you to
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be able to understand the values that you have for yourself,
whether whether you believe or you don't believe. But if
you believe these are the options that you have to
make decisions based on. It has to be just an
amazing Like you said early on when you started this
interview with me, you always wanted to be a minister,
and this blessing came about where for five seasons you
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could play a bishop on a on a role that
also look inside yourself and feel compelled that you're you're
changing people's lives. Even though it's a role, you still
are changing people's lives. Do you believe that, well, I mean,
you know, praised God, there is that book central and
uh and and and I have absolutely loved that opportunity
(26:08):
to be able to tell those kinds of stories. I mean,
that's I mean, that's ah, that's what we do. You know.
You know, I'm an actor, I'm an artist, and and
we and we we tell stories in order to inform
our lives that there are there is another way of
(26:32):
doing things. You know that. You know, it's not that
there's not just one way to um get through any
given situation, you know, And I mean, you know, I
believe that even now in this COVID situation, God does
not put us in situations that he doesn't provide a
(26:55):
way out of and I doesn't have to be wait
uh to what those possibilities are before we close out.
I just I know when you've got other projects other
than green Leaf premier in June twenty three, off year,
if you want to shout him out. I got a
(27:15):
project with Alison Weaves coming up, a project on Amazon.
You want to expound on those a little bit before
we wrap up here, Mrs David, I am. I'm working
right now. I'm working on the show based on the
life of Joe Williams and uh and uh. My great
hope is that it will be uh, you know, the
(27:37):
the pandemic will um allow us to move into theaters
and into and you'll get to that you will get
to see it when it's time. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, but
be on be on the lookout. Absolutely absolutely, my friend,
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Chief Adam, and thank you for coming on money Making Conversations.
I really appreciate it that you allowed me to talk
to you, you know, and and and I know you
can give me too much on seven five, but you
gave me enough leading up to season five to let
me know that I need to be watching season five.
I want to thank you for coming on money Making conversations, sir,
thank you man. Appreciate it. If you want to hear
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