E388: Meagan Good, Keith David, Teresa Caldwell, Dr. Tammira Lucus & Jasmine Simms

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Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host, Rashan McDonald.
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overcoming the arts, and how to live a balanced life.
My next guest is a very very popular film and
television actress. You've seen her in movies like Thinking Like
a Man, Think Like a Man Too, The Intruder, and
Shazam of Next Year starring Sony's Monster Hunter, which will
be released hopefully this year. And with the pandemic gears,
so everything's kind of odd, but this movie Monster Hunters.

(02:32):
Everybody's waiting to see that movie that she's starting in.
She was recently seen on owns new series of Girlfriends
check In. I checked it out myself. She wrote a
Game Chaman relationship book with her husband entitled The Weight
At Powerful Practice for finding the Love of your Life
and the Life you Love, which I love that title.
She's a philanthropist, started the Greater the Greater Good Foundation

(02:54):
with our sister and an entrepreneur. Were good girl raps
about making good. There are multi funk multi funks on
hair accessory that could be warm when you're out and
about work out a bedtime. Look, I am going to
buy that for my daughter. Please work with the money
making conversations making good. Uh, it's so funny making I

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saw the wraps right, and so because I was, I said,
my daughter was up tested. I said, I said, my
name is christ Christie. How to get down here. I
gotta show your something. I gotta show you something simple.
You know, she's twenty two senior in college. I think
I finally found something because she comes down here with
these these things on her hair. Megan, I'd be like,
I'll just be staring at them. This is not We

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do have money, baby, we do have a little money.
You can do better than that. And so I showed
her this and she said, uh, Dad, this is just
she picked out like three different options that we're gonna
buy it. Just tell us about the whole concerts. I'm
just letting you know as a man, I saw it,
our dad, I saw it. I fell in love when
my daughter picked out three of them, and I think

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of just beautiful. You can we can? You know, we
should go to the store. She can wear when she
goes to the gym, she can work out in them.
She can, Thank God, she can go to sleep and
wake up. And I'm not terrified when she comes into
the kitchen. Well, I don't know what she got on
her head making, but at least when she comes to
the kitchen now with your your half your hair wrap,
I'll be excited and thankful that she's my daughter. I

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got your truth that I'll be struggling with the head
wraps that I don't know. You know, we, like I said,
we had a little success making in that life. But
the good girl rap that you have produced a my
favorites now okay, oh yeah. I was like super excited
to create them because you know, um from one of
my silas. Um, I have two nicea Oliver and Carrie,

(04:49):
and we created the Goddess locks the dreadlocks look together. Um.
And so what happened was I was wearing the South
so much and I was going to the gym gym
and trying to work out everything that I did, my
hair was flipping my face and then I'd be trying
to wash my face and I couldn't sleep comfortably and
it was just like a whole thing. And so we
developed this wrap and it literally was like a lifesaver.

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And then the more I would we're at workout videos,
people would ask like, well, where did you get that?
And what is that? And I was like, you know what,
I just need to create a line and make them
available and also just make it some people can choose
their different styles and what better fits like you know,
how they want it to be. So that's really how
it came about. And uh and it did really really
well the first day. We sold out on the first

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run collection and now we're on the second collection, thank you,
and so we're getting ready to start the third collection now.
And the cool thing is, like, you know, I'm able
to see people's input, like oh, I would really love
to see more this kind of color, that kind of coming,
more prints or whatever. So that's that's the full thing
is like every collection, I really take people input into
account and try to create something that all women feel

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good and comfortable with and even some men are able
to wear them as well. So I saw that, I
saw some photos, you know, and of course you know
if you have dreadlocks, and thing was like that, and
you know, they definitely will be perfect for that, and
I thought that was just all I know is that
when I saw it, I immediately liked it and I
felt this was a natural, comfortable look. It could be jazz.
You can wear them out, you know, to a restaurant.

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You can wear you know, you we out to it
if you depending on the look that you buy, I
want to feel well, you can go out to a
party with him wearing it. So I really felt comfortable
with the look, and I just wanted I was excited
about you coming on my shoulder to discuss it. And
because as an entrepreneur, you know, we all have great ideas,
and so how you know you talked about the journey
about it, you know, because it was just your idea.

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What made it real though, what made it like, Okay,
we let's do this, because a lot of people stop
at the idea because they don't think nobody's gonna buy it,
or nobody's gonna even want to show them how to
produce it, right. I mean, I was starting working um
with the company. I was creating a line of flannels
because you know, I'm an eighties babies, so in the nineties,

(07:00):
lather and if flannels was always like a staple part
of your outfit. So I was already creating a flannel
line with my sister and I where the money that
we were raising through the flannel line was going to
our foundations, and so I already had the relationship. And
what I realized is, you know, once I was wearing
my rap, if people just kept asking for a year
that the question never stopped and people were always interested.

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So I was like, all right, it's been a consistent thing.
People are into it. I think they'll buy it. Let's
just you know, give it a run and we'll see
what happens. And um, and people really took to it
really well. So I was like, okay, well, let's you know,
create even more. And so it's it's been. It's been
really great because I know, as a woman rather you
have dread twists, very big curly hair that you don't

(07:44):
want to wash and style every day or whatever. It is, like,
I know for a fact that this is a product
that I would use and I wish I had had earlier.
And that made me feel confident that somebody's going to
get some great use out of this. So congratulations again.
You know, when I look into when I look at
your career, like when I was managing Steve Harvard when
we started together back in two thousand, the first time

(08:05):
I really got to see you and introduce myself to
you was the movie You Got Served, And uh, that's
way you know, it's way back then, way back then.
Just to talk about your your body of work, because
you begin starting in commercial at the age of four,
and I've done over sixty thou sixty sixty national TV
commercial in an untold number of films and television shows.

(08:28):
I just only missed a small amount of your success.
In fact, I didn't even mention any of the television
series that you've started very successful on. So how what
has helped you to make that transition from a child
star to an adult star? Because that's a hard make
sometimes because you're so cute qute see and when you
become an adult, people don't buy the qt qte see

(08:50):
or you know, mature correctly, or you don't have the
support system. What has helped you? Megan? Um? I think
you know. The first thing was like prayer. You know,
nineteen I was I was struggling. I still looked fifteen sixteen,
and it was the first time in my life where
I was like, Okay, I'm seeing people around me getting
work and I'm not getting work. So the first time
I prayed, I was like, all right, God, is this

(09:11):
what I'm supposed to be doing? And and here's the thing.
I'm gonna just put it on the altar and say
I want what you want for me more than what
I think I want for myself, and I want what
you want for me more than what I think I
want for myself. Um. And so that was the first
time I had gotten confirmation that this is the business

(09:33):
that I should be in. But that's it's bigger than
than you know, being able to do something that I
love and I'm passionate about. It's bigger than being in
an industry people consider you celebrity, whatever it is. It's
bigger than all that. It's really about using the platform
that God has given you as an ability to as
an opportunity to build the kingdom, and to really be
used in whatever way He wants to use me. So

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once I got that confirmation, that gave me the confidence
to know that, like, okay, so I'm gonn to be
okay because this is bigger than me anyways. And I
just kept trucking along and trying to make smart decisions.
Um and and you know, show however I could like okay,
I'm becoming a woman now and trying to watch that
that balance because you know, at that time there was
all the men's magazines and I did a bunch of them.

(10:17):
But I remember efforts. Yeah, when I did it, it
was like okay, so no baby, but there's a message
that when you did them. We're talking about the King
magazines and all those type of magazines and were but
they said a bad message or the incorrect message of
who your or what your brand or who you represented.
Don't you think? No, I don't because I think at

(10:39):
that time that is who I was, you know. And
my thing is like I've you know, I've I've come
under fire a lot about saying like as a Christian,
I don't mind being sexy, and I own that part
of myself. I love that part of myself. Um and
what I realized, you know, my my journey has been
unique to you know. I didn't grow up in the church,

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but my mother was always read your Bible, get to
know God, have a relationship, not a religion with him.
And so as I pursued a relationship with God, I
got saved when I was twelve, I got three baptized
when I was nineteen on my own. So at that
time and I was doing the King magazines, a black
man or whatever it was, and I was twenty three,
my feeling was like I'm gonna own who I am

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and be comfortable with who I am. But what I'm
gonna do is I'm gonna go into a place that
some would consider dark and I'm gonna spread light. So
if you look at each one of those interviews, not
only did I not wear you know, lingerie or bathing
suits or do any backshots or anything that was too
suggested that item feel comfortable in my spirit about, but
I also every single interview I talked about that, I

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talked about my relationship with that, I talked about being Christians.
I talked about there's a there's a way to still
be comfortable with your sexuality without overtly, you know, doing
things that are really about look at me, look at me,
versus I love me, I embraced me, And so for me,
it was it was walking a line of like what
feels my and my spirit that I'm not lying to myself.

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I'm being honest, like whatever God places in my spirit,
I'm owning that. But I'm also not conforming to what
people say a Christians should be because I know my
heart and I know who I am at the core,
and God knows me and we talk. So at the
end of the day, I can do religious and I
can do what people think I should do and who
they think I should be. Or I can own who

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I am in every season and allow me and allow
him to guide me. And so that's what I did.
And so I think my my journey has definitely been
an interesting one, but I've always been in tune with
God do all of it. That's beautiful, and that's beautiful,
and I'm glad you're saying that. That's why I'm kind
of like being quiet. Let you say your conversation, because

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people need to hear without interruption, the message you're trying
to deliver. And that's important because of the fact that
you know, we we we we have a preconceived notions
of who people are, just how they look or just
how they dress. And that's what you're saying. Okay, I
embrace you who I am, but that doesn't mean I
can't embrace my love of God or the respect that
I have for Him. And if you want to read

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something differently, while are you looking at that photo, read
the article? How about that? Right? Read the story, open
the book, okay, and and and go through go through
the messages I'm trying to tell the consistent values I'm
trying to say, and I think for young people that
that's important because especially with social media today, we can
get caught up and like some getting caught up and

(13:25):
and trying to look a certain way and pose a
certain way in order to grow our fan base. And
you're saying that honestly, honestly, what yourself is the key
to that, That's what you're saying, Like, yeah, transparency. What
people are gonna respond to is you not trying to
be anybody else but being yourself. The honest people who
are gonna like you, dig you, that are going to

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be your tribe and support you, are going to support
the truest version of you. So I'm comfortable with knowing
that at ten years old, I was doing off Broadway
shows with drag Queens. And I'm still a Christian. So
the way I see the world, all the way I
perceived drag Queens, the way I perceive a lot of
things may be different than some other Christians, but I
know that God allowed me to have that experience and

(14:08):
the mindset that I have when we talk about what's
appropriate or what's modest, but my different my version of
modest is gonna be different than yours based on my upbringing.
So as long as I own that and I lean into,
like God, what do you say as it pertains to me,
that's the only thing I have to do. And I
try to encourage other people, especially young people to do
that as well, because they think that if you don't

(14:29):
fit into a certain box, you can't you have to
choose to do that box. And having a relationship without
or not having a relationship with do you have a
past because you have a party. I'm tell you some girl,
you I'll tell you. You know, I like to believe
I recognize town. Okay, you got this, you got the
acting down, pat But your motivational skill and your own
point about what young people need to hear and old

(14:51):
people need to get people in general, male and female, everybody,
because your your conversation is welcoming to everybody. And if
you have thought about doing a podcast, start if you
have thought, because I feel that your message and then
you know it needs to be heard if you just
just think about it, like you said, if you never
I'm sure you've heard this before, just like the wraps.

(15:12):
You know, people kept telling your girl, I need that,
I need it, I need it. When we sat on
McDonald's coming along and you know something, um, excuse me,
you need to be worldwide on your own platform where
your message won't be interrupted and you can share and
get other like minded people who look like you, don't
look like you, and and be able to you know,

(15:33):
this is about love, your message about love. It is
so clean. When I hear you talk, Megan, it's amazing.
It's just like it's like drinking a good cold glass
of water on a hot sunny day. Oh it feels good.
Oh it feels good, don't it. Oh my god, you go, oh,
I feel good. And that's what there. You're talking so clean,
there's no stuttering, there's no there's no pause about, no revelation. Well,

(15:58):
let me think about it. It's just like and I said, well,
do you think that was against your braind No, No,
it was not you. You did not like you did
like hesitate, Rachel. I know who I am, and that
is important. When people get caught up, get caught up
in de cyber bullying, get caught up and should I
look this way so that A dressed his way? And
you're saying God defines you, believe in him, believe in

(16:19):
yourself and don't don't. Let's they say um er left
or right and that's what you're saying. Yeah, beautiful, beautiful,
exactly what I'm saying. I think it's important that we
that we have a relationship a guy where we hear
from him for ourselves. I want to be in a
position where someone comes up to me and they say

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I have a word from God. I can say, yes,
I received that, my spirit agrees, or no you don't.
I don't. I don't feel your spirits that's for me
is not from God. And then have that type of confidence.
I feel like that's how internial God we have to be.
And when you're in that, when you're that in tune,
it doesn't matter that some people are not going to
understand you because they're coming from a different place. You know,

(17:00):
I'm told when you're talking out there, I'm sure you
do public speaking? Are they're passing the plate? They gotta
be good. I want to get to the book. The
wait I read the book. I want to ask a
couple of questions that some fervorite lines. I want to
run by it. But I got to talk about Shazam. Okay,

(17:21):
when um you made an appearance in that, but it's
one of my favorite movies. In fact, when you when
you finally make an appearance and the other adult versions
of the kids making the appearance. It's one of my
favorite parts of the movie. But one of my one
of my endearing parts is how you were able to
be an adult but you maintain that childlike quality in

(17:43):
your acting performance. Uh. That was I mean I smiled
every time I see it, and I go wow, you know,
you know, you know, people are talented, but certain things
that you can show goes. That's an extra gear of
talent that she has. Talk about that whole what I'm
talking about. And Shazam is a very popul superhero, you know,
he said Sheasam is a little fitting your boy, and

(18:04):
he becomes this adult superhero care character were a long way.
You know, there's these kids at this foster home and
you play your your childlike characters. Was one of those kids,
and you eventually in the in the movie at the ends,
and you became an adult version of your child character,
but you still had those childlike characters characteristics. Yeah, talking

(18:26):
talking to us about that, maintaining that little reaching its
side and hold holding onto that little baby Magan. Well,
baby Megan is always in there, you know, and I think,
you know, it might come as more of a shock
to people just because you know, again, like do my twenties.
I was kind of like that sexy girls. People don't

(18:47):
realize often times that there there's there are a lot
of different years and that you know sometimes like the
me in my twenties that was kind of one year
was like, yeah, that's the side of me, you know,
but there's so much more. And so the cool thing
about Sasam was like I have started my I had
started my workout journey like maybe barely two years before that,
because I told Devon, I said, they really want to

(19:08):
be a superhero like I want to do like DC
or Marble. And he was like that's great, honey. What
are you doing to meet? Got halfway and I said
what in my mind you? I had my glass of
wine in my hand. I'm watching my Scandal or something.
He said, what are you going to meet? The halfway?
And I was like, wow, you're right. Face without work
is dead. Okay. So I said my little self to
the gym. I got a trainer, I changed my eating habits,

(19:31):
I cut back on my wine. I started working out
like five times a week for about a year and
a half, and then I got this audition for Shasam
I didn't even know what it was. I had no
idea it was a superhero movie. I was just going
in there and being a seven year old and then
I get the call that I got the part, and
I was like, so, what is it. They're like Shazamn.
I was like, oh, Kazam was like shocks back in

(19:52):
the day. They're like, no, shazamne and I looked it up.
I was like, wait, what this is superhero movie? And
I like, I did you not? I bust out crying.
I was like in the middle of a strip mall.
I was like say, yeah, yeah, that's on a crying
outside of like a nutrition store. Like ran in and
told like the lady behind the counters like, I just

(20:12):
gotta you've seen movie and she's like, oh forgot. I
mean it's like and it was crazy because it was
the perfect thing for me, because you know, this type
of superhero where we actually our children that hasn't been
done that and it's a it's a very fresh take
and it's something that I can do. I've been doing
a little kid voices like my whole life. People just
don't only see that side of me. So it was
like the perfect purpose superhero for me and perfect kind

(20:33):
of blessing from God, and also a testimony, a testament
for like meeting God halfway and him saying, Okay, here
you go do the work, and I provide the way
and the opportunity, and you people, you'll be ready for
the opportunity. You know. I'm gonna just tell you that
I've seen since I Am at least six times. I'm
just a guy. I've seen that ending probably about ten
times because it's just so cute and when you and

(20:56):
all the characters recognized that they go to adulthood, and
when you somehow it works so perfectly for you and
you just you gotta downpack congratulations. I just want to
just tell you that dis congratulated. It's it's it's believable.
It's very cute. It makes me smile. Even when I'm
talking to you about right now. I'm smiling because it's
just one of my favorite parts of the movie. And

(21:18):
I can't wait to exam too, because I know that
character is gonna be fleshed out a little bit more
and we'll see it a lot earlier than the movie
instead of the end of the movie. And I don't
feel I'm giving away the movie. If anybody has not
seen it, maybe you'll watch it now because when you
get to that part of the movie, you'll be smiling
just like Rashan McDonald. I want to make a trader.
I want to make a transition to you, to you,
you and your husband. On the cover of the book

(21:39):
to Wait. First of all, compliments to both of you guys.
Very attractive couple. Y'all look fantastic. It's called The Way,
A Powerful practice for finding the love of your life
and the life you love. Why did you write this
book with him? Um? It's interesting because the short version is,

(22:02):
you know, when Devon and I got together, Um, I
just came out of a kind of a verbally abusive relationship.
And it wasn't just the other person, it was both
of us. We were not good for each other. But um,
I literally said, Lord, what am I supposed to be doing?
And he told me three things. He said, get out
of that relationship. I need you to be celibant, and

(22:23):
Devon is your husband, and I said divine is. And
I was like wait, And I was like, what am
I supposed to do? And God was just like nothing,
just work on yourself. So from that point forward, I
worked on becoming celibant. I wasn't you know, successful immediately,
but ultimately I was. And about a few months into it,
about five months into getting that revelation, I told a
friend of mine that Divon was my husband. And she said, oh, girl,

(22:45):
she's you know he's a preacher, right. I said no,
and I said, well, I thought would have scared me away,
but I know what God told me, so it's okay.
And I said and I said, and you know, um,
she said, you know that he's celibant, right And I said, well,
I'm celibant too. She said, no, girl, he's for real selibank. Yes.
So because he was preaching, he had been selevant for years. Um.

(23:08):
And she was like, yeah, you and you you're few
months girl? Yeah? Whatever you know anyways, and so um,
when Divided and I got together, it was like, you know,
it was we were sublevant for that for our our
year together before we got married. And it was the
best experience of my life because I got to know
him the way that it's like I got to know
him in like four months, the way it took me

(23:29):
to get to know someone in four years. And that's
because there was no It was intimacy in terms of
like emotion and spiritually, but there was no physical intimacy
it that way. So really all I had to do
was desides, Do I like you as a human being?
Do I enjoy being with you? Do I want to
spend a lifetime with you? Are you? Are you about
the same thing as in life? Are we going to

(23:50):
the same place? We compliment each other in their purpose?
So all that stuff was so clear because there was
no distractions. That the reason we ended up writing the
book it is because people kept asking us about it
and you know, we'll tell them the story whatever, and
they were like, we really would love to have a
book about this, and the like, I guess we'll just
will write a book. Not to be preachy and I
tell people to do, but to tell them what our

(24:11):
experience was and just to be transparent about that. And
if it helps someone and blessing someone great, you know,
and well I'm ben't even helping a lot of people.
There's two things I want to bring out about the book.
The way, it's not about sex, but it begins with sex.
It's a book about relationships. And one of my favorite
lines in the book is this um the way the

(24:32):
way you stop is okay, in your book, the way
you stop stop picking and choosing which parts of the
Bible you will follow. I read that and I just
bust out laughing, because not only do is does that
line apply to me, but so many people we go,
we'll do this. It's too much work to do everything,
so I'm gonna follow this over here. But as you say,

(24:55):
you can't part time follow God. Yeah that's what you're saying. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, I think that's the biggest thing is that
I think we do tend to pick and choose, and
especially as it pertains the sex, because we feel like, well,
you lord, you have to understand this party. You gave
us some parties. You know you don't want to do it.
You know, all the Christians and things, is doing it

(25:16):
not come all? And you make you know, just like
when I when I first left my virginity, I you know,
I said I'll wait till I'm gonna get married. I
left my virginity at nineteen and it was later than
most of my friends. But it was also like I
was like, well, this is my first love. I'm gonna
marry him, so you know it's my husband anyways, and
the point it wasn't um, but I realized, you know,
I lived my life like every times where I felt

(25:39):
bad and I would like repent and I would not
have sex for months, and then you know, and it
just I realized that I was really picking and choosing
and giving myself license instead of saying, let me just
try to do the hardest thing that there is to
do in terms of the commandments, and let's see how
that goes. And what I realized is the once I
conquered that, and I found that discipline within myself for

(26:01):
delaid gratification and to not pick and choose. It gave
me the freedom and the power to have more self
control over so many areas. I hated working out, and
you know it was never gonna happen because the discipline
I learned from the weight is why I was able
to work out, which ultimately resulted in Shazam and ultimately

(26:21):
resulted in me about to be thirty nine. I'm in
the best shape of my life because my lifestyle changed,
because my discipline change because of the way. So it's
not just relationships, it's it's across the board. It changed
my life because you guys got out with correct and
I have to say, i'd have to say, like I said,
I'm a fan of yours. I have to say that

(26:43):
period between and now I have to say, it's been
the most the best part of your career. I don't
want to be sound insulting. I'm talking about the movies,
the films, the projects, your your brand, your your your
bill of your luck. You glow. You know when you're
with your husband, y'all, you glow. And that comes back

(27:07):
to discipline and honesty with yourself. And that is my
That is one of the takeaways that I had with
the book to Wait And if you don't mind it's
it's because it's on my shelf at my home because
I gave it to my daughter. She read it, and
I have a home in Houston and Atlanta. Have it
keep it in my Atlanta home. Uh is still available

(27:27):
to be bought the book, Yeah, yeah, Amazon, just about anywhere.
So if you if you feel a little surge in
book sales, because Roushan McDonald's gonna do this. I have
an eighty thousand fans fan Club email newsletter I sent
out every Friday at nine am. I'm gonna put this
book in my news letter. Okay, and because I feel

(27:52):
that there's so many inconsistencies I've had in my life
and one of the things that doing money making Conversations
has allowed me to. You know, I made a lot
of people famous, I made a lot of corporations money
in my life. But what I've what I've done is
found with Sean McDonald and I just talking to you
on this doing this interview, it's just so fulfilling to

(28:14):
me because of the fact that you got it, Megan,
you you you you clearly are comfortable with yourself. You
clearly are happy with yourself, and you're a beautiful person.
That's that's a that's awesome. Congratulations. Wow, that bless me.
Thank thank you, thank you for that. You know, I
have to be honest because of the fact that and

(28:35):
I try to do this show and and expose people.
Be uh when I when I dropped the whole idea
of money making conversations. You know, we may talk about
your career, why you talk about this when the people
come on the show, But I always want to pull
back the curtain so people can just talk. And I
want to play no music. I have no ambush questions.
I just want them to just really talk and this

(28:55):
is gonna be well received in my platform, this interview
and you're just special. I just wanted to keep winning
and uh, and I'd like to get your husband voone
on the show to talk about it. Like I have
something that call a power Couples. I bring power couples
on my show together so they can talk. And uh.
That's a very popular series I have with money making conversations.
But more importantly, you know, you know you made me happy.

(29:17):
We're gonna do exam to You're coming back in that.
You're standing in shape, so you're gonna be ready for that.
The girl girl raps. You know, we sold that in
certain things right now, but we're gonna get that up
and running because guess what, I'm gonna put that in
my newsletter. That means sold. That's a good thing. Make
it sold, that's a good thing. You have a good,
great good foundation. But that you started with your sister
that's doing great things and the and the weight is

(29:38):
a blessing that I want to put back that put
out there in my platform to the world. Eight percent
of my followers are female and they need to hear
the word, and the word is being delivered by you
and your husband, and it's a written word. And guess
what the Bible is written word, not saying it's the Bible,
but the reflections of the reflections of what you're talking about.
I guide it from the word, and that's important that

(30:01):
people need to read and also share. And I want
to thank you for calling my show making. Yeah, I
want to thank you for even thinking to have me
and wanting to out me, and thank you for affirming
me as well importing into me as well, because it
seems like a small thing to say the things that
you said, but it's not. And I really appreciate it
and I really received it. And I thank you for

(30:22):
having you with my hands. My hands are put together
my borrowing forward and a blessed state and a prepare
like state because we will talk again in the future.
Be safe during these pandemic times. Tell your husband high
and anytime you want to promote I might have them
reach out and if they can get some art work
or something like that. I just want to put anything
tack out there, especially about your wraps and all this stuff.

(30:43):
We were staying close with my staff to make sure
that anytime you're releasing the thing in a movie and
the sitcom. Anything you do in television or as an entrepreneur,
all with your foundation, bring it to me so I
can promote it. It's not about I don't charge you
the money with my social media. I just want to
spread love and litter. I know that you can win,
and you win it through relationships, and that's what you're preaching.

(31:04):
A young lady. Keep on preaching. Thank you, Thank you
to play here. We've been preaching on this showy make conversation. Okay,
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discover their true worth. She is an activist, self improvement
spooks to me, self empowerment speaker, entrepreneur, talent manager and
author of I Once Was Her. She is famous with

(33:35):
Me and the Mamager or a talent manager to wrapp
her film and television star lil Ba. Wow. Please, welcome
to Money Making Conversation entrepreneur and author Teresa Cardwell, Hi guys,
how are you? Hihi Atrisa? How you doing? My friend?
Oh my god, I'm so blessed. It's been a long time, right,

(33:55):
it's been you know, it's really interesting. Let's let's go
back and give a history of how we met. We
met in Los Angeles a little by and by a
thousand people came into the Steve Harvard Morning Shows radio
booth and that was the first thing counter we met.
You know, it's a rising star and uh in the business,
and uh I like to believe that Steve and I helped, uh,

(34:16):
you know, fuel his success by supporting him in the music.
But you stood out because you were his talent manager
and still the talent managers today. Correct, Yes, well right now,
I only managed television and film, and I do like
branding and marketing. Awesome, awesome, So talk about you know,
first of all, you're coming on the book, coming on show,

(34:37):
talking about the book. I once was her. I read
the book a very good read, very fast read, because
of the fact, because of the fact. You know, if
when you read the book, Teresa Um, if this was
a play, if it was a dramatic play, because you
introduced different people who are important relationships in your life,

(34:58):
I would sit. That would put you in the middle
of room, and I have a spotlight on you, and
the entire room will be dark, okay, and then a
light would shine on Curtis Martin. He stand up, and
he says, and then a night was signed up on
another person. They stand up. Because that's how that was
the feeling that I had when I read the book,
because it felt like various levels of testimonials about not long.

(35:22):
I mean, they're just one of some of them one pages,
some of them were two or three pages, the little
and so, but they were important because they described layers
in your life. There the changes in your life, and
how they were important. So talk about the the angle
and the thought and putting that did I described the
approach to your book from a theatrical standpoint, right, Yes,

(35:46):
you did, you did? And see what the reason why
I chose to write the book that way. First of all,
I'm not a big reader, right, so I wanted to
make my book different because I wanted to catch you know,
my readers. I wanted them because you know, a lot
of times were the book. We'll start reading a book
to put it down. But I wanted my book to
be an easy read. So I'm so glad that you
got that. You took that from the book. I wanted

(36:07):
to be an easy read, and I wanted it to
I wanted my readers to feel what I went through.
And I wanted each one of my friends to write
something about me, like what did they experience with me
or by me being their friends? And I picked the
I picked the girls who were you know, who are
the closest to me to start each chapter. And I

(36:29):
picked Curtis Martin to do my forward because that's my brother,
and he knows everything about me. Right. Well, you know
the thing about the book, uh, and I'd say it's
a testimonial, it's a it's a shout out to UH survival.
It's out overcoming the odds, single parenting from a woman's perspective,

(36:54):
choosing the right mate, and also more importantly the importance
of fatherhood UH in a young girl's life. Because I
have a daughter, she's twenty two, and I always, I
always have the firm belief that she's going to pick
a version of me when she goes out there making

(37:14):
her selection process. And so I'm very conscious in my
communications with her. She can talk to me about anything. Uh.
I will stop when I'm doing if she had if
she wants my attention, not because I'm trying to baby her.
I just want to know what's through her mind because
she may have a question they might shape especially when
you're young. When you're young, you just grab information that
people don't understand that that information that people grabs as

(37:37):
a young person will hang can hang through to them
for the rest of their lives. And so and that
was you you know your your your father who's now deceased.
Play you know he was played an important role in
shaping you initially, and let's talk about that. That the
importance of a male figure in your life at an
early age. I feel like, for me, and I only

(37:59):
speak for my experiences, I feel like, for me, as
a little girl, the first man that we will love
as our father. I feel like that love that we
get from our father or a father figure is so
key until a little girl when she grows up, because
that's the type of man that she's going to search for.

(38:20):
So for me, I didn't have that type of father love.
So I I searched for what I knew and the
and I searched for the love that I that I
got from my father, and it wasn't the best love.
So I attracted, you know, men who treated me kind
of like my father, who were verbally abusive, who felt

(38:43):
like I wasn't good enough, who I always tried to
prove to my father that I was going to be
great and it was just hard. So for me, those
are the type of men that I chose, you know,
my younger age. I chose those type of guys. And
then I also chose the type of guys that my

(39:05):
mother dated. And my mother dated abusers, so I watched
my mother get abused, so I attracted abusers because that's
what I knew. And so with me, I had to
stop the cycle. So there was the time I would
never remember. I would never forget it when I got
beat so bad that my ex guide the abuser, he

(39:28):
knocks my I looked like the elephant man's little sister,
Like that's why. Yeah, And so for me just looking
at my face and just look at my body, just
look at how I looked. And I had to lie
to my son and tell my son that I fell
down the stairs. And from that point, yeah, from that point,
I was just like, you know what, I gotta break

(39:49):
the cycle. Like I don't want to be anything like
my mother, and I don't want to dake anything like
the guys my mom dated and I And so that
right there was a wake up call for me. Know,
let's let's talk about that. Because I know when he
when he abused you, you even called his father, and
his father came over and he saw what he had
done to you physically, he told him he would beat

(40:10):
him up if he did that to you again. And
guess what, he still did it anyway, And so so
what people don't understand about abuse. And I'm not saying
I'm an expert expert an expert in abuse. It is
a book, but there's a journey. There's years like you
got kicked out of the house when you were stiff
team because the fact that the boar friend that was
dating your mom at the time was physically beating her

(40:32):
up and your only recourse was to call the police.
They arrested him from the mom, like the most domestic situations,
sided with the man and told him that you had
to go, and you were thrown out with no guidance, snow,
no support system. If your mom had four sisters, they
didn't want anything to do with you, and the state
of Ohio was not only became a prison for you

(40:54):
because you didn't know what to go, We had no
options you you might as well have been in jail
because you didn't have any support and so so so
it's just struggling to find yourself. And then along the way,
of course you got pregnant. Twife one of the second
child was And so love is really interesting when I
read about it in your book, because there is emotional love,
and there's physical love, and then there's loving yourself let's

(41:18):
let's talk about the emotional love and let's talk about
the physical love in that order, because the emotional love
of what you were trying to get from your parents
and you didn't get it. Yeah, the emotional Yeah, the
emotional love that I was searching for. You're absolutely right,
was the love that I was trying to get from
my mother and my father, and I didn't get that.
And then you can continue, Teresa, I apologize. Yeah, so

(41:43):
so so when you when you were searching for that
emotional love, it's really hard where you don't get that
from your your parents, Like I didn't get it, right,
I didn't get it searching for it, and it was
sad because of the fact that you know I'm talking.
Just just set up everybody talking to Teresa Caldwell. She's
the author of the new book and it's uh. You

(42:04):
can order pre ordered right now. It's called I Once
was her Um. It would be out officially in June
June this year. Uh. It's a good book to I'll
tell people are there now. But because of you, ared,
she become a New York Times bestseller based on the
pre orders, because boom, you know, I know the system
a system and so, but one of the things that
when I'm when I'm reading the book and we're about

(42:25):
to close out this first break, is that you know,
as a man, I felt helpless reading your story because
as a man, I would not have done any of
these things to any woman, not let alone you. So
so when you when you when these men try to
play what you consider an important role in your life
and you accept that they're gonna abuse you, when is

(42:47):
the acceptance becomes okay to an abuse it or do
you even know when it's okay you just accepted? Can
you answer that question? You know what, like speak to
my experiences, like you really don't know. I didn't know
because I just accepted it. I accepted it because I

(43:11):
felt like for me, because I saw that going up.
I felt like that abuse, the hits and all that stuff.
At the beginning, I felt like that was his way
of showing me that he loved me. You know, I
felt like that was his way of showing me that
he loved me because in my mind, I felt like,
oh my god, because I saw my mother go through it.
I felt like when he hit me and then like

(43:35):
he would apologize and be like I only did that
because you know, I want you to know that I
care for you, I care about you, I love you.
That's the only way. That's why I did it. So
that's what happens. Like for me, that's what I thought, like,
oh my god at the beginning, like he believe loves me.
I was young, but he loves me. To hit me,
to abuse me, he loves me, and to keep coming

(43:58):
back and supporting it. Yeah, what's the blind slide. But
the sad part about it is that you were young.
We have women in the thirties, for these fifties and
sixties that are dealing with these situations. I'm talking to
Teresa car World, This beautiful, well put together woman has
had her share of tears and mountains to climb. Teresa's
book is a Row, Row, Look a Row, looking to
the dark side of her life growing up before fame

(44:20):
and fortune, and that tells the story of rejection, abandonment,
and physical abuse. Will be right back with more. We're
talking about her online taste, online boutique, but more important,
a testimony of overcoming the odds, a testimony of realizing
that one has to love themselves first in order to
understand the path out of the domestic abuse. You have

(44:42):
to look in the mirror and said, look, I am important.
I am the person that should be on top of
this game. If you don't ever admit that to yourself,
you will always be in a state of abuse. Not
by your not because somebody is giving it to it,
because you are accepting it the beauty of it. Like
I said, we met in Los Angeles. U came into
the radio studio, and uh, I always thought we had

(45:02):
a good relationship because I understood I was a talented
manager for then Steve Harvey and dealing with all the
ins and out. But you are mom manager, which is
a different perspective because of the fact that you know
as a manager, you you you basically I was the father, priest, accountant, uh, motivator,

(45:23):
crisis guy, and so to have an actual relationship with
a young man like like wow, and then to send
him off at a very early age under the under
the chair of Suge Knight, under the care and guiding
some snoop dog. Talk about that moment and all those

(45:44):
moments because you had to be uh like biting your
fingernails on that one. But you have no options, I know,
you know what like for me like it was. It
was fun. I must say it was. It was fun
um and I recognized early on and that you know,
Bod was smart ize I recognized his talent. And I

(46:05):
also it was his dream. You know, it was a dream.
So what I did was I was like, you know what,
this is something that he wants to do. This is
his gift. So as a parent, I wanted to make
sure he was able to live out his dream. So
I trusted Snoop. I trusted shuld like the relationship that

(46:26):
I had with Shugg you know back in the day,
like I didn't like. I had a great relationship with
all of them, and they all looked out for Bout's
best interest even when I wasn't around, you know. So
it was all about trust and it was all about God.
I thought that God was in it. So I feel
like when God is in it, you feel safe. So
I felt like God was in it and it was

(46:46):
his gift. Well, I love it. I loved it. But
where Snoop comes to you go, you know, some I
really not. I really am not a good example or
role model because I know Snoop and and he Snoop
will smoke some weed. People understand he was the brother
is a no It's like America has caught up with Snoop,

(47:08):
which is really funny because he was not gonna change.
He confessed publicly all the time he did it. And
now when you're seeing that it's being being sold and
stores for medical reasons or just clear for just for
for sale with profit reason, you have CBD and all
these different uh, instead of being brought out because of
marijuana usage. It's really amazing. But when Snoop I read

(47:31):
that part of the book that I went that Snoop
because one thing about Snooper there is a there's a
business side to him. He is a family man who
if everybody's father's life, you see, he is a family man. Okay,
he is a family man. And so he came to
you and anybody know his whole career how he has
been a mentor or I want to stand like a
pseudo father for the community by starting the football league

(47:52):
and many young men he's helped to get scholarships and
in college football has been a testament to him. But
let's go to you in particular. You know that you know,
like you said, you you started dating hood dudes and
then you started dating pro athletes, you know, and youre
getting into this theme. You went from the hood dudes

(48:13):
you know who was out there, you know, beating you,
selling drugs. But your lifestyle was uh, you know, it
was there. You didn't have all benefits of the lifestyle,
but at least you had the lifestyle. And then you
went to the athletes, which is also a confusing world
because you know, it's a competitive world because you know,

(48:33):
they go from different city of the city. So let's
talk about where you came from. Okay, at fifteen, you
got kicked out of the house, then you got pregnant. Unfortunately, sadly,
you lost your first child. Then you hadow and then
you start raising them, and then all of a sudden
you got this young man was taken care of. He's
kind of like the first far the figure for Bow
Wow and uh and but he was into drugs. And

(48:56):
then you decided, hey, you know something, I'm gonna do
it too because I got to pay off this debt.
And we won't get any more detail. Read the book.
It's fantastic how she is showing you when you cornered
in the state of desperation, you can start crying, but
have a plan while you're crying because one thing I
took away from this book is that you if you're

(49:17):
in a crisis situation, especially in a violent crisis situation,
you gotta have a plan B. And that's what you
say a lot the reason you stayed in so long.
You never had a plan B. When you got that
plan B, you got out. I got up. Yes, yes,
that is so true. Um. I I felt like, you know,

(49:38):
when I got myself in a situation, of course I
didn't have a I didn't have a plan. I didn't
have a plan b RC. So in order to me
to get myself out of the situation, I have to
have a plan. So I stayed in it a lot longer,
and so I got a plan. So once I got
a plan, and you know, that's when I got myself out.
So I went from that, and I, you know what,

(49:58):
I don't don't regret any of the things that I
went through because that the street life made me understand
the entertainment world, because it was kind of to me
back then, it was the same thing. It was just
one was legal and one was illegal. So that's how
I looked at I looked at the music industry back then.

(50:19):
You know, it was. It was. It was brutal. So
I looked at it like, okay, it's the same thing.
It was street dudes one and stuff. You know, it
was the same. So I was built for it. You know,
when they came at me, I was able to, you know,
to to stand up for myself because of what I
had already gone through. So I went from that to dating,
you know, you know dating, well, I went from that

(50:43):
to being married and then once I got my divorce
and that's when I started getting the poor athletes. Was
that you know, with with dating and athletes, like there's
good thing that you know, it comes along with that.
There's a lot of her, Like you said, it gone
a lot and not around. But there's a lot of
parts to that, you know. And and and for me,

(51:06):
for me, you know, I can't sit here and um
and really say like bad things about the guys I dated.
It was just like when I look back at everything,
like all the relationships, you know, I kind of like
was the type of girl who was like, you know,
after going through a marriage and divorce, I was like,

(51:28):
I don't want to be married or have kids or
have kids like I had. That was made up in
my mind, like I don't want to be married and
I don't want to have any children. So for me,
you know, dating me was like it was only it
was only gonna go but so far because I'm making
it known that I don't want to be married, I'm
not having any kids. But you know, it was good

(51:51):
for me to hear that, because that's taking control of
your life to me. You know, that's telling people I
can make a decisions, I can try to myself and
it doesn't have to be determined by a man's being
determined by me. And that's what I you know, I
when I opened up when you when I introduce you
said your your purpose is for women to discover their

(52:12):
true worth. And that's what this book is about. I
once was her. I'm talking to to to Therecha Cardwell,
it's a as a as a memoir about her life
before she was managing. Was kind of like it slid
into when she started when Biba became famous a little
Biba became famous under that name a little by Wall
at the time. But it's really about the beginning and

(52:34):
how I shaped her as a businesswoman because it was
a tough life that she grew up on. It kicked
out of the house of fifteen, had a baby to
think sixteen and another child which is all by wall today,
and raised him. And and what I loved about is
that you didn't allow men to negatively shape your son's

(52:57):
vision because when he had a child, speaking of Shad,
you made sure that he understood his role in that
young girl's life. Talk about that. Yes, I made sure
that when Val had a daughter, because of how hard
it was for me, it was important to me that

(53:19):
I instilled in him that you have to be a
great father, not a good father, but a great father
because you have a daughter, you know, and so and
I told him, like, it is so important because you
will be the first man that she will ever fall
in love with. The way you teach her and the

(53:39):
way you treat her and the way you raised her,
and the way you're in her life, that's going to
set the standards for when she gets older, when she
starts dating, the standards are gonna be so high because
she's gonna be like, you know, my father treated me
like this, my father this, my father that, And I
think that you know, And I told him, like, I

(54:00):
told him that, like it's important. I mean, I know
I probably got on his nerves talking about it all
the time. But I but the relationship that that he
has with his daughter is priceless. Now if you look
at their videos and stuff, you can tell that he
plays a big role in her life and it's all
about love. You can tell, yeah, it's important, it's important.

(54:24):
And then our relationship, like you know, like even with
with my with bal and I like our relationship. The
things that I talked about what we went through a
little bit. I I touched on that a little bit
in the book, like how hard that was, you know, um,
you know, being a mom and being a manager and
you know, trying to step away to two. It did
put a strain in our in our relationship, we did

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go through some things, you know, because we want was
best for our children. And then you know, like me,
like my fear was I never wanted my son to
be on drugs, Like that was a fear of rhyme,
you know, and being in the in the industry, like
so much can happen and drugs are like they give
it to him, And that was a big I feared that.

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I tried to protect him. And you did a good
job because you in the book you said, I had
to want I had to take off my talent manager
hand and put back on my mama hat because sometimes
you gotta let him know, Look, I brought you into
this world. I have a different level of passion that dude.
The well, he just wants that. Dude, just want to
start our tickets over there, your mama day one, this

(55:26):
day one, that day one, mama right here, they want,
and we'll be here in the end when all this
is going on the way, I'm still gonna be there
for you. And that's what you that's what you stayed
in the book very clearly that yes, I I did
accept the role and the professional role as his talent manager,
but I never lost the mama hat, the mom and

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that was really important. Before we get out here, I
want to I want to put on that entrepreneur hat
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I've had that boutique forever. Like my passion is fashion

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at homes, like you know, a lot of athletes is
like my number one client, So I do a lot

(56:28):
of those homes in my store. Is you know, I
have a passion for fashion. I love to see my
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The book, I won't recommend everybody to go out, and
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Oh but mom has just nailed the perfect car seat
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the stars of the Own Network series green Leaf. To
show a premiere on June twenty three on Own. He's

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one of my favorite Hollywood's actors because he can swing
between comedy, sci fi, Bossover, dramatic, Road Broadway. He has
an incredible acting range. Like I said, Broadway, Something About
Mary one of my all time funny movies. He appeared
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He has won three Emmy's performing Forceable Work, Please Work.

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In The money Making Conversation discussed the final season of Greenleaf,
the actor and singer that you did a lot of
you guys don't know about. He plays Bishop James Greenleaf.
Please welcome. Keith David. How are you doing, sir? I'm
well man, how are you doing? It's really good, really good? Uh.
Four seasons down, a fifth season ago. We know about television,
sometimes you can get green leading and don't even last

(01:00:31):
beyond the burning of the candle. Uh, going into the
five season. Talk about that. Talk about the journey of
this series so far before we get into details. From
a personal perspective, has been an incredible journey for me
because um years in my life, like I used to

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fantasize about being a preacher. I used to want to
be a preacher, and uh uh I didn't. I didn't
want to be a kind of Jack leg So I
decided to pursue other areas of my life, you know,
in the life of an artist, and I believe that

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they're both are calling. So now you know, I feel
that acting is my ministry. Uh. But when Greenley's came along,
it was like dream being fulfilled. I mean, it was
truly a blessing. If you don't you know, if if
you don't believe in God, well, uh, that's that's your business.

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But God loved you anyway, and that was I believe
in God, blessing. I believe in God, So keep talking,
keep talking. Well, I mean that was that was that
was living proof that you know that that God is
always looking out for me, and take better care of
me in that care and take it myself. Absolutely, I

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believe in that, and I believe that focus get you there,
and the blessings are based on your hard work, and
your career is showing a body of work that is
tied to you know. The thing I like about your
career is that, you know, I'll always tell people wherever
the opportunity is pointed, give it a hundred percent and
go forward, you know, voice over work, going forward, singing

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Broadway comedy, drama. That's a really versatile plate of as
they say, food that you're dining on there, sir, talk
to us about being able to have that range and
that ability and and and and that that blessing right there,
be able to do all these different things. Because some
people just good at comedies, some people just good at
dramatic roles. But you've being able to you're able to

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swing back and forth. Talk to us about that. Well,
first of all, I'm lucky to be able to do that.
But that's what I trained for. That's what I spent
my life training for. You know, I spent I spent
ten years of my life in class training, right, you know,
from from high school and college and uh and and

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you know, the the greatest I think, and I get
to do it, yes, sir, which that which I prepared
myself to do. You know, isn't that great? I mean
it is great. I mean that's I mean, that's the
blessing beyond my wildest imagination. And I appreciate that. Now,
let's let's talk about Greenleaf. Okay, last season, let me

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just talk about your character a little bit because the
last season, you know, Grace character became a dominant character,
Lady Maide, and we saw what Charity was doing and
underminded the family, and Carissa character kind of undermined the
relationship she had with Jacob. The men, the men character
I felt were kind of like like like, well pushed

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a little bit to the back of the female and
none negative back when I say that, none negative because
you got the storylines you have to develop you. Then
I see this trailer for the final season and you
you you preaching through the whole thing. You're praying through
the whole thing. Bishop, Are you trying to send us
a message? Is your voice coming to the fore front
of the series with prayer and leadership for the fifth season?

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Talk to me, well, you know, uh, the Family journey
has always been about, you know, been about re establishing
ourselves in the church and uh, Grace coming, Grace coming
back home to uh uh just rectify what what what

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had gone on previously in the family and so and
I think that when we when we started this series,
Bishop was in a place where he was ready to
atone for whatever he had you know past. Uh, discrepences,
you know what you know, and and and and faced

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them head on. Of course, Now when you when you
you say you're ready for that, when the moment comes,
you say, oh, God doesn't have to be right now,
you know. So he's gone through all of that. But
you know in season five, you know, uh, we see
you know, you know, everything has a ripple effect, it

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really does. Yeah, and so and so he's gonna he's
gonna deal with that and so. Um that's what season
five is about. This that final referee. Come on, now,
come on, now, what what you know what it's like,
you know when you have to you know, it's you know,
it's uh, it's like, uh let me let me let

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me aagine this, Keith, about about your character, about the show. Okay,
because of the fact that the finale set up a
lot of a lot of storylines that finale I'm talking
about season four for nowe. You know Charity, she you
thought you could convince her to vote the right way.

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She did, Okay, that I'm sure shocked your character. You
thought she would see the right way. Then she got
kicked to the curb by Phil. When Bob Whitmore, the
owner of H and H, told her, if you want
to stay some stay have power in this whole situation
with this church, you gotta marry my daughter who happens
to be white. If you're not following the series. So

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those are just a small level of dynamics when you
when you get this script, and these scripts have to
be juicy at the table reading, these scripts have to
be juicy. When you shot him. You can just see
all this stuff playing itself out. And then but but
Charity for the fifth season, she's undermined the family. How
do you bring her back into the family without destroying
the storyline that we have not seen yet for the

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fifth season? You know, you you you raise your kids
should be good people, right and you and you try
to convince him to to do the next rightst thing,
and then you then you have to let go and
let God handle it the way he's going to handle it.

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And I think that also that's also one of the
one of the big lessons that the bishop learns is
you know, in spite of your intentions, it's gonna go
way God intends it to go. And and we have
and we just have to pray for the grace to
deal with that because it may not be. It may

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not be exactly the way you wanted it, no matter
what your intentions are. You know, you know, you know
deal with that. You know you got that great voice there, Keith.
You know you got that that profound voice as they say,
you know when I when I do TV shows, uh Injoy,
they called the voice of God. It's so eloquent, it's
so it's so strong. Come on, let's go and tell

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the truth about this. And so, like I said, you
have that natural gift to be to be able to
resonate like a minister. And so so you're the Bishop.
James Greenley f on the series The premieres Greenley for
series June twenty. Premiers June three on the Own Network.
Now in the trailer, Now in the trailer, I see
your kissing lady. May uh huh Okay, Now, I know

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you've been wanting to huh. Well, you know, but job,
you'll kind of had a little discard over the years,
and these these are these final seasons here, come on, now,
come on, like I'm not if you, if you you
don't have to be with somebody for five years to
have a little discord attle so you can believe after

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fort or five years there are they're gonna be some
challenges that arrived, sir, But you know, but you know
with you know, uh, with the belief and the God
of your under you know, God will find a way
absolutely if it's meant and if it's meant to be,

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so you so you know that's where we are. Okay,
So so okay, now we got Charity. You gotta bring
her back in the fold. I catch you kissing Lady
May in the trailer, which is a good thing. Which
is a good thing. Now are y'all y'all all praying
holding hands? The entire family. Jacob was in there, Zora, Sophia,

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Carissa and so so everybody's living at this house, this
giant house is a beautiful house as a lake on
the property. And Carrissa has issues because she's tired of
living in your mama's house, your daddy's house. So so
as as the man of the house, the bishop, how
does that play out as far as far as the

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characterization of what you're trying to do and what you're
trying to deliver on this show as the bishop, not
only at the church what you've lost, but holding onto
the house that you may leave lose basos and information
that Charissa got from Fernando. Can you talk to me
about that. I cannot talk to you about that. Come on,
come on, come on, come on, come I can't. I

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can tell you, um that that that will that will
play out, that will play out, And I think you're
going to be, um, you know, wonderfully surprised because the
story is so exciting and and but you know, the

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thing that I think is so wonderful about it is,
you know, uh, you know, God works and so so
many mysterious ways. We don't know what the ways of
God are and what the lessons are to be looking
and that's what makes that's what makes I think the uh,
the series so compelling, is that, uh, in the midst

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of this, you know, this storytelling is so u this
there's such a relationship with real life and what happens
in life, because in life it doesn't always turn out
to be as hunky dorry as you like it now,
you know, and and and we have to deal with that.

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And that happens that happens in ministers families, that happens
in bishops families, that happens in church families, that happens
in families that never go to church. It just happens
because it's life. You know, it's really interesting. You will see,
you will see a wonderful way of life unfolding in
this season. Oh believe me. Last season was you know

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when Grace was trying to reconnect with a J. Now,
you didn't tell M. S. Rashan, look at the story,
look at your story. Look tell them all my fans.
You're not gonna give us any extra any little in
roads into what may be happening in season five. Watched
the episode now when at the end of the last
season that Grace was at Fate's grave site and this

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gentleman who looked like a J but he wasn't a
J walked up to her at the grave site and
he walked away. Any inkling of what that character was.
Was he an angel? What was he? Well, you know
I have to leave that up to you because you know,
um in life again, I love the way our imitates

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life because there there are many times when you have
an experience like that. You know, that reminded me of well,
he looked like he could have been so and so
son and have maybe maybe it was maybe it wasn't right.
You know. I mean, you know sometimes when we when
we have dreams and they speak to us, and I

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mean I've had dreams that were so real that, uh,
if you would have asked me today did it really happen?
I would not have good conscious be able to swear
that it didn't. Mm hmm I agree. So so, you know,
I mean, that's the way I see that moment is
one of It's one of those sort of god shot

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moments where you don't you know, was that him? Was
that not him? Whatever it was, it was, it was
it was a momentary miracle. It was it was if
that she needed she needs, she needed some Godly reassurance
of some kind, and she got it. Oh that that
And it was well written because her she was questioning

(01:13:43):
her faith, looking down at the great side of faith,
and then this character came up to out of mystery
and spoke to her. And I want to don't want
to tell everybody everything, because everybody should if you hadn't
watched this here and go watch one to three four
and get caught up before you start June and watching
season five. The thing about it is that I just

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want your opinion, sir, because I got you on the
show give me your thoughts on each one of these
people who are in your life. They play characters. But
what are your thoughts about feel what who works under
barb with Moore or h Who's I mean? I mean,
you know, here's the guy, here's here's the here's the
here's the guy who I believe starts out with some

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kind of some kind of faith. But you see, the
devil is a click and and and puts all kinds
of temptations in front of you. Sometimes it's a beautiful woman.
Sometimes it comes in the form of money. Sometimes it
comes in the form of power, sometimes it sometimes it
comes in the form of some combination of all of those,

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uh but at all. But but you know, the devil
can also uh disguise himself in ambition, and you know,
and the ego is a monster because the ego could
fool you to thinking that it is you, and it
will it will, you know, start motivating you in ways

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that you think is pure, but it's really couched behind
some uh it going needs that's that's stoked by greed
uh and and the worst parts of ambition that becomes
selfish and you become selfishly driven so that you know,
uh you lose your way, said, they can't see the

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you can't see the forest for the trees. So started up.
I think he started out, you know, because he wanted
to have his own church. He got an opportunity, You
got an opportunity to work with this man who you know,
promised him big things, one of which that he wouldn't
yes one day he would have his own church. So Okay,

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if this sacrifice I have to make is being a
ghost writer, I mean that may not be the biggest
sin in the world. Okay, fine, uh, but then it
leads you to do other things. But when it becomes
you know, I mean the thing about phil when it
comes down to taking down your own and that is
that is that is both you know, uh, familiarly and spiritually. Uh.

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Then you know, then you have you know, you have
to question those motives, and you know which the bishop
does from the beginning. Bishop questions his motives from the
from the beginnings. You know, sees teas and knows who sees,
and knows who he is because he knows who Bob
who is Let's go right there? Who is Bob? Is
he the devil? Well? I mean again, the devil has

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many forms which many names, many many disguises, and you
know I mean what I mean, I can't call out
every ambitious preacher uh in the world. But you know
sometimes when they when they ambition uh overrides your true

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sense of spirituality. Then that if there's something to be questioned,
because you know, we have to watch out for false gods,
and money is one of them. Actually we live, we
live in a society. Well, money isn't necessary. I mean,
you know, even in biblical times, you know, uh, the
money wasn't the same as it as it is now.

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But you know, people, you know, people got got lost.
You know, you know how many camels do you have?
How much bread do you have? You know, they were
all kind they were all kinds of ways to disguise
that that particular evil of greed. And that's and that

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you know, that seems to be the center storyline. Greed.
Greed happens in this in the story, especially Bob, you
know that's for lad feel down this path twenty years
and like you saying, ghost writing and never getting credit
and then misleading, I don't I don't know, do you
do you did? I read this role? I felt that
Phil really did care for charity, but then when it

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pushed came to a shop and denying his dreams tied
to greed, he denounced that relationship to follow the path
of greed? Am I wrongest saying that I don't. I
don't think so that's you know, I mean, you know
and and and you don't have to also understand that whatever,
whatever your interpretation is when we're telling stories in a

(01:18:46):
parable in a powable situation, whatever it is that you
need to learn, that's your lesson. Now you watch it again,
you may get a different lesson. True, true, but that's
the that's the lesson you got watching it the first time. So,
I mean, I can't tell you that that's not true
or that's not a part of uh stop what's to

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be learned here? That is one of That is certainly
one of the least. Now Jacob, Jacob has not lived
a good life. He's had something that we all have had,
but we stumped out foot and made mistakes. And both
as a single man, as a married man and as
a father. What are your thoughts about his as a
relationship with you in the direction he's grown as a

(01:19:30):
character as a man on this show living under your
house under your roof again, you know what I mean?
And there you know, I can't at this very second
quote to you who in the Bible Jacob reminds me.
But you know, and here is here is a man.

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You know, he's like like like I think maybe maybe
Joseph's brother brothers. Um, here's a Here's a man who's
lived under the shadow of his father his whole life.
He had you know, he's had everything. He's ever you know,
everything has been given to him. Uh. And and he's
but his his mother has also been very protective. You know.

(01:20:14):
It's yeah, in spite of what his father might have,
you know, his father has always wanted them to be
you know, go out and uh find his own self.
I mean, I remember, I think it's in season two
or three. I said to him, I said, look at
me and tell me. Get out of my face, old man,
let me do my thing. But you won't even do that, right,

(01:20:35):
you won't even specify in your way. I can't give
this to you. I can't give you nothing. You have
to earn us. And that's a lesson that a man's
got a life. Absolutely absolutely it is. Really when I
when I look at your the journey of this show,
and we're talking to Keith David, one of the stars
of Green Lift. The series premiers June twenty three on

(01:20:56):
the Own network. He plays the bishop on the series.
Um it really I would just telling you this, uh,
And I've enjoyed this run of the first four seasons.
I'm looking forward to the final season because it allows
me to stay calm. It allows me, as you can see,
like you said, Raean, you might look at it on
one episode, didn't look at it two weeks later and

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see something or be mostly driven by something else. And
that really is what this series is about. It allows
you choices. It allows you to be able to understand
the values that you have for yourself, whether whether you
believe or you don't believe. But if you believe, these
are the options that you have to make decisions based on.
It has to be just an amazing Like you said

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early on when you started this interview with me, you
always wanted to be a minister, and this blessing came
about where for five seasons you could play a bishop
on a on a role that also look inside yourself
and feel compelled that you're you're changing people's lives. Even
though it's a role you still are changing people's lives.
Do you believe that? Well, I mean, you know, praise God,

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there is that potential and uh and and and I
have absolutely loved that opportunity to be able to tell
those kinds of stories. I mean, that's I mean, that's
a that's what we do. You know. You know, I'm
an actor, I'm an artist, and and we and we

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we tell stories in order to inform our lives that
there are there is another way of doing things. You
know that. You know, it's not that there's not just
one way to get through any given situation, you know.

(01:22:47):
And I mean, you know, I believe that even now
in this COVID situation, God does not put us in
situations that he doesn't provide a way out of at
and I really have to be wait uh to what

(01:23:08):
those possibilities are before we close out. I just I
know when you've got other projects other than green Leaf
premier in June twenty three, if you if you want
to shout him out, I got a project with Alison
Weaves coming up, a project on Amazon. You want to
expound on those a little bit before we wrap up here,
Mrs David, I am I'm working right now. I'm working
on the show based on the life of Joe Williams

(01:23:30):
and uh and uh. My great hope is that it
will be uh, you know, the the the pandemic will
um allow us to move into theaters and into and
you'll get to that. You will get to see it

(01:23:53):
when it's time. Absolutely, absolutely, but be on be on
the lookout, absolutely, Joe with absolutely, my friend, Chief David,
thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations. I really
appreciate it that you allowed me to talk to you,
you know, and and and I know you can't give
me too much of Steven five, but you gave me
enough leading up to season five to let me know
that I need to be watching season five. I want

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(01:26:02):
both motherhood and entrepreneurship, they knew exactly what was needed
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Since seventeen, they have launched over a hundred and ten
mom owned businesses. Please walk on to Money Making Conversation.
Dr Tamira Lucas and Miss Jasmine Sam's thank you for

(01:26:23):
having us. We are well you know, you know, I'm
a guy, I really uh around a lot to shows
about entrepreneurship and I know that you know, women are
exploding in entrepreneurship, especially African American women are exploding there.
I like to get a response from each one of
you about why do you think that is so? Starting

(01:26:45):
with you Dr Lucas, So, women are exploding in entrepreneurship
because we build businesses based off of necessasi from out
um that we need every single day. And know that
these things like very cliche is like, well everybody builds
a business also necessity, but women are those as you

(01:27:08):
take go back to our history, um, you know we
were creating solutions to problems within our household because women
were the ones that were, you know, mainly taking care
of the households by the male work. And those things
kind of exploded from, hey, this is a necessity that
I need for my family and my children. UM. And

(01:27:28):
we kind of think a little bit differently. We're always
thinking strategically, we're always thinking innovatively because we meet these
things right now, UM, and right now it is the
year I know here in Maryland. We're located in Maryland,
and the governor has um said that of mere the women, UM,
and we are really stepping up to the plate to

(01:27:50):
grow businesses. But gentlemen and I want to make sure
that we're not just starting businesses, but we're growing and
scaling those businesses so that we can be um, the
small time millions of those individuals, or those women and
moms can be the next multipmillion dollars businesses that our country. Um.
Are birthdays cool? And the reason you think differently, That's

(01:28:11):
why I wanted UH seems to have a response because
you know, I always tell people you're successful by thinking differently,
but you're even greater, which is greater heights of success
when you can operate as a team, and that's what
you're doing now. MS sim's your response on why women,
especially African American women are just exploding in the entrepreneurship fields.

(01:28:34):
So not only do we see needs that are immediate,
but we've always warned so many hats and our families
and in our communities, and so we have so many
talents and most of those coming the form of hobbies
or you know things we do offer too ples oude
our families and the people around that. And so people

(01:28:56):
like Tenere and Uh we see that and our neighborhood
and we see it was time to take their hobbies
and turn it into money making activities for them in
their communities. So and then coupled with more of our
women are going to school to get the education that

(01:29:16):
can help them actually pursue those goals. And then we
have more resources that we can go online and look
at the information we need, or we have differ programs, webinars,
seminars that we can go to to get the information
we need to actually turn these hobbies into businesses. So
it allowing us to cataport ourselves beyond where we were
able to go before. So Mirror said and then all together, well,

(01:29:43):
I don't know the thing about it. You know, I'm
a curious guy. You know, I'm going through Black enterprise.
I come across this nice article about the two of you,
and I have six sisters. None of them have out
ball uh followed in the entrepreneurial lane that you who
are striving for women to pursue But there, you know,
but they're they're my sisters. You know, they're African Americans.

(01:30:05):
And when I see women stepping beyond the norm the
norm is when I say that not to stay at
home mom. The normals not just a forty hour week
job that may include over time, but saying hey, I
trust my natural instinct, I have a plan of action.
I can go out there. I can get Alan. I
won't get me Alan. I'm gonna figure out a way
to pursue my dreams and aspirations and build this brand.

(01:30:26):
That's a lot of work. Why and when I read it,
since seen YouTube have been responsible for over fifty six
mom owned businesses. Lunch, talk to me about that. That's
a that's a that's that's a a champion right there.
That's a champion talking about a champion of the community, ladies.

(01:30:47):
Well we need to st a little bit because it's
been over about Okay, all I getting stuff from my buffer,
people say me stuff, I pull it out, I put
it on here. Okay. So what you're not gonna do, jas,
what you don't go to do is come on my show.
And he's like, I'm just selling bad information. Now if

(01:31:09):
you say it's over a hundred, you say it earlier,
he say the first time, and beat your beat your
and you gonna go. I gotta stop this brother. His
brother spread bad news about you know us, you worked
too hard to build us, you know. So how many
of that number right there? So I can repromote that
what's that number? Is not fifty six? What is it?

(01:31:35):
And one more row? Okay? See hours is remarkable by yourself.
But we've been able to take it even from almost
double it because we were able to running in academy.
We thought it was one. Let me fix this, says
they have launched over a hundred and ten mom owned businesses.

(01:31:58):
Please walk into money making conversation, dr to Mirror Lucas
and its jazz scens. See that's how we're doing the
money making conversations. That's that's how we're doing on money,
make conversations. We're in the business of being accurate, being right,
you know. So when this, when this ads on podcasts
and all my platforms, we're gonna promote exactly the success

(01:32:19):
story that you guys are putting out there. Now. The
interesting thing about see all I do is go on
your I go on your website. I pulled information that
says Dr Lucas your trailblazer among professionals and a powerful
voce for moms teaching business balance and babies. Co found
up the Cube Coworker, Maryland's first and only coworking space

(01:32:39):
that provides babysitting services. Then this SAMs Salon, consultant industry
expert with over twelve years of beauty and hospitality experience.
Am I is that correct? Just want to make sure
that I can handle one of you guys on the

(01:33:00):
tool y'all. We're gonna get this straight moving forward. So
let's talk about this as a co found of the
Cube co work. Because the thing about is going on
with the pandemic. You know, the you know states have
been shut down, they're starting to reopen and guess what,
some people are gonna go back to reopen to no jobs.
And then and then some people are being called back

(01:33:21):
to work and childcare centers are not even open or
they're starting to reopen. So how can you go back
to work and you don't have no place to deliver
your child to be taken care of? Why you're working?
So when you talk about the que co work, tell
me how it's being effective now effective now affected now
with the pandemic, and how does it actually work? So

(01:33:45):
we created the que co workus there myself as a
space jasmine and our train these moms. We will come
to contact with other mom entrepreneurs that started business but
they could they were struggling with down n seeing their
families and and their kids. And coworking is a cool
um industry to be in. It's a cool um idea,

(01:34:08):
innovative ideas working in a space with complete strangers, but
being able to do network and grow which we all
need to grow out businesses. But when you add, when
you think about childcare costs, you can buy a Toyota
at least the Toyota Corolla every single year for the
amount that you'll pay in childcare fees. Right, So we

(01:34:29):
had to think about, well, how are these moms that
are living a little the poverty levels, starting businesses gonna
be able to afford childcare. And I created the coworking
space that has babysitting services inside of it so that
one moms or dad because we have both parents, UM
can focus on their work. But not only can they
focus on their work, but they can also not have

(01:34:50):
the burden of high childcare costs because it's how our
fee structure. Now, before we were fully UM, we had
our membership with pretty much full because of the baby
Sydney s that UM that it was a pretty quickly. However,
UM there you know, there were still a lot of
businesses that were working inside of their traditional office space. Well,

(01:35:13):
places like Facebook and Twitter. These companies are now giving
an option for for parents, I mean for their workers
to work from home. And I feel that this will
be the trend in the in the industry of UM
those type of companies or companies periods saying hey, you
can work from home, and now that childcare part is

(01:35:33):
going to be UM critical. So working in a in
a space where you can come in and get four
hours of uninterrupted or three hours of uninterrupted work done
and then you can like do whatever else you need
to do for the rest of the day is going
to be kind of ideal. So right now, although we're
not open and physically, we created a model that will

(01:35:55):
help us the same over time, um hopefully, but we
can anticipate that we're going to have a large number
of people knocking bold, parents knocking at outdoor to utilize
our services because we know that business is not going
to be as usual. Want everything we finally reopen. Absolutely
this pandemic has shown, like Twitter made an announcement that hey,

(01:36:19):
stay at home, work at work remote which is going
to have our effect on real estate offers real estate
in the future, because that's the one industry that has
a lot of uncertainty. As we spoke about moms as
entrepreneurs um an area of growth that's exploding out there
in the entrepreneur world. That's one of the reasons why

(01:36:39):
I'm motivated to start one of the reason I was
motivated to start Money Making Conversation just to provide information,
free information and bring what I feel in individuals like
uh dr Lucas and ms Sam's on the show just
to share their stories and hopefully they can you can
you can get some nuggets of information on how they're
doing and how they're applying their the lanes. Because when
you when you're an entrepreneur, there are no consistent days

(01:37:02):
of saying it's gonna be done this way. Every day
it changes every day. You have to be prepared for
that change and you cannot be frustrated by that change.
What you can do is plan for change. And as
you plan for change, then you can overcome the obstacles
that may frustrate you. Um On the focus on Miss
Jasmine sam uh I read earlier sal Salon consultant industry

(01:37:24):
expert in the beauty arena, whether twelve years of experience
and the beauty and the hospitality experience. We know what's ending.
What's happened in this country or with the pandemic, especially
in the African American community where we are overtly affected
by the COVID nineteen virus. How is the in the

(01:37:46):
Maryland area, how's it being happened? And people coming to
you advice and what advice are you giving them? Um
my advice? You know everyone so ready to either reopen
or just to go through their hair and nails done,
and you know they are ways to take kids of
those things. Yourself at home and the movie times. The

(01:38:08):
health of your head and the health of your skin.
The health of your nails is most important, but also
the health of you as an individual, because if you
are dead, you cannot get your hand and nails run
again unless you buy more a ticitions. So stay in
the mouth. Follow your state regulations or your county regulations,

(01:38:29):
and follow your state board of Cosmtology or your barber's board.
Follow the regulations that place here. So you're saying that,
don't put beauty ahead of safety. No, don't do that.
People like I said, I talked to my my younger

(01:38:49):
brother here. He showed me photos. He showed me a
video showing he's had to put shower curtains, clear shower
couraging between each stall in his Barbara salon. He has
removed all the chairs out of his barber salon and
everything's about plumbing. Only he's had to go out and
by he's bought goar goals, he's bought mad. Of course,
he has hand sanitizers, he his lights hole spray And

(01:39:12):
the problem with that is that that was not part
of his budget. That has suddenly become part of his budget.
And so when you have uh in this pandemic world
that we're living in and you have women or moms
trying to break into the entrepreneurial space. It's a different
model now, correct, right it is. You know when what

(01:39:35):
we got noticed that the city and the state was
starting to shut down, we had to begin to get creative.
So in our business, I have a hands on an
emails on we begin to sell off the inventory that
we hadn't started to create at home kit to sell
to our clients. So that was one way to continue

(01:39:58):
ce revenue generation right right right so, and and also
we are membership Beast, so that was another way to
make sure that when things are slow or things like
this happened, we have a way to kind of maintain
our brand and keep ourselves in the full front either
when you know we may not be able to operate,

(01:40:19):
then to keep us alive during this time as well,
right right so, as as as zoom as the as,
the as the social media world be important during this time,
and how do you use the social media to promote
your brand? You know, mom as entrepreneurs and Dr Lucas
could be you it's Jazz and Spill, it could be
responding or both of you guys can respond because my

(01:40:41):
whole thing is that I know this is a joint
effort to you know, guys use y'all different ways of thinking,
like you stated earlier, which makes this, uh, this partnership work,
and uh I go with you first, Dr Lucas, so
Jasmine and I have definitely gotten very creative collectively and
individually for our businesses and ensuring that all of our

(01:41:05):
brands that we have, whether it's Mom's Entrepreneurs or our
personal brands are a continues to be alive. But we
really utilize those platforms to really tell the story but
also share the resources and the and the things that
we knew that most entrepreneurs needed at this time. So
within a week of UM COVID nineteen hitting M Desmond,

(01:41:28):
were immediately sharing UM advice resources and anything anything that
we that we were able to access or even have
a knowledge of. We was immediately using UM those platforms
to share that information. So I know, I strongly I
had so many beauty experts. As a business consultant, I

(01:41:49):
worked with all types of entrepreneurs and I had a
lot of UM beauty and beauty entrepreneurs in the beauty industry,
a lot of Mom entrepreneurs in the beauty industry preach
old and say well what am I supposed to do?
And quickly, you know, giving them advice on how to
pivot and their business so that they can to say
because a lot of times, well the resources that were

(01:42:11):
the funding the release programs that originally went out for
COVID nineteens did not support those type of entrepreneurs. They
didn't support the duty industry entrepreneurs that may not be
taking a pay checks or have contractors and do not
have employees. So giving them education and support on how
to pivot their business so that they're still generating some

(01:42:35):
type of income UM was extremely important. And also what
did we have available UM from a mom as entrepreneurs
pust doctor. So we immediately our workshops while academy is
normally face to face, and we do that UM specifically
face to face, so that we can have the sole

(01:42:55):
attention of the parents, I mean of the mom as
they're working towards starting their business. We had to pivot
that online UM. That online virtual Academy started March I mean,
I'm sorry, May eighteens UM and then we also created
this fund because we knew that a lot of my entrepreneurs.
A lot of black mom entrepreneurs were pushed out of

(01:43:16):
the relief efforts. So we knew that, Okay, we don't
have millions of dollars, but we know that we have
a network that could possibly donate into a fund to
help us support the mom owned businesses that are across
the country that are suffering every day. We're always overlooked,
We're always grouped into women owned businesses. We are women,

(01:43:38):
but we are moms and that's totally different. The the
the investment that I make is solely contingent on the
impact that is going to have on my child or
on my family. And if you are if you are
a woman without kids, you can take a much greater
risk in starting something or investing this stuff to because

(01:44:00):
you only have yourself to worry about. So that was
on the forefront of Jasmine in our mind of like,
how do we support these moms. We're moms, Um, we
have a great support system. We support one and now
there we have a really good support system. UM, I
would say collectively, but that's not the case for a
lot of moms, especially in Baltimore. We're in Baltimore where

(01:44:22):
most of the households are ran by single mothers. So
if we want to continue to keep crime down, if
we want to continue to UM have our economy operating
UM and a decent faster, we need to make sure
that these moms have what they need financially the same businesses.
I know either the two who can talk. Now, Dr Lucas,

(01:44:45):
you don't talk. You almost ate up all the pole
Jasmus time she's lean all into the beauty side of
the conversation that you were rocking the roll. And then
I was like, hey, he got right down. And when
our credits is motivational speaker because she can speak, that's right.

(01:45:11):
But let's let's talk a little bit of miss Jasmine.
What's just the most rewarding part about being a philanthropist?
Because I do see the on the cover of your website.
I went there and it talks about you know, you
have twenty six contributors Moms Give Life, Moms Give Community,
hashtag giving Tuesdays. You know, over a thousand dollars been
raised so far. I'm a contribute to that. So my

(01:45:32):
name pop up in there this week. UM. What I
love to be able to do. I have a newsletter.
It goes out every Friday on time and at UH
nine a m. To ninety thousand fan club members. I'd
love to put this video or some type of banner
in telling your story, your your organizational story, moms and entrepreneurs,

(01:45:57):
and see if we can get some more contributions. Is
that cool? We love beautiful than beautiful. It's just beautiful,
just beautiful. I know you don't have much time left
because you know your business partner can talk. You know,
as my mom says, talking talk her head off of
a dog. You know what I'm saying. Do you know

(01:46:19):
where they go? Well, you know Dr Lucas was talking. Well,
I would say the most rewarding thing about being philanthropic
is just the success that we need to see from
the minds that we support and ultimately thank you, thank you.

(01:46:39):
Going when when we get calling in my business or
and the things that I'm doing, I can't. I can't
quit because I have this team of other women who
have looked up to me in tam Era and have said,
you know, if they can do it, I can do it.
So if I quit or Tamara decides to quit, does
that mean it's okay for them to quit? And we

(01:47:00):
don't believe that So for me, just seeing that the
work they're able to put in, the self motivation that
they've they've been able to develop because a lot of
them thought out very discouraged and believing that this is
not something that making these but someone told them about
the school mare and saying, maybe you should give it
a shot. You're very talented, you're very still it sounds

(01:47:22):
for you to put their emotion and so just seeing
these women just grow and build their businesses and become successful,
that's the most people in part. You know, I've seen
organizations like one hundred Black Men um you know in
a CP National Urban League, you know, started one location
and then become a affiliates or throughout this country. What

(01:47:43):
what just the future of your organization? M moms as
entrepreneurs as far as a national platform. So it's funny
because covid has allowed us that opportunity to go national
as we always um engngetions to do so. So now
that we have this um FUN, it's not just a

(01:48:04):
fund for Moms and Baltimore to access. For this a
fun that anyone, any mom in the United States could access.
And also our virtual academy. So it pushed us to
really step out there and get out to the world,
into the United States until now we are a national organization.

(01:48:25):
That's a beautiful thing. I'm speaking to my friends. I'm
calling my friends now. You know, we laugh. I've been
corrected on the air, you know, on my own show.
You know. That's what's not gonna do is run over
these two moms. Okay, you know, but they're gonna pull
you to the side. But see they could put me
to the side on the ready. You gotta tell us

(01:48:46):
about that's wrong. That's wrong, nothing's wrong right there. We
have launched over one hundred and ten mom owned businesses
since we in twenty seventeen, we launched Moms and Entrepreneurs.
I wouldn't thank Dr Tamara Lucas and Missus jasmth Sins
were coming on this show, and I want to thank you. Know,
like I said, when I saw the article in The
Black Enterprise, I was motivated to contact you too, and

(01:49:08):
I was thank you for taking the time and come
on money making conversations and share part of your story. Again.
I want to reach out to you, Samantha, my executive
producer of the show, to get some banners so we
can put in the newsletter because you have a cause
of trying to generate revenue. I went through the payroll
protection program and it's not set up for an independent
um and uh entrepreneurs, it's not you know. Uh, that's

(01:49:31):
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Round is only seven and seventy nine thousand loans distributed
versions of the first Go Round when he was just
passing that checks like it was free money. So again,
thank you for coming on the show and we were
stay in touches that good. Appreciate. If you want to
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