Moon Star Pride 2023 Part One

It's time for the Moon Star Pride 2023 Double Feature Special!

Regular hosts Alex & Chris are joined by special guest Rhett for a colorful look at LGBTQIA+ themes in Sailor Moon, other anime, and a candid discussion of our personal experiences with LGBT representation in media.

Do you remember how it felt the first time you saw Hillary Duff tell off that girl for saying "that's so gay" back in the day? What about Ellen, Rosie, and all the rest? Moon Star Pride 2023 starts now!

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Episode Transcript

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Today together any nay day. Welcometo Moonstar Pride twenty twenty three. I'm
one of your hosts, Alex andtoday I am excited for you guys to

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join Chris and special guest Rhett fora colorful conversation about lgbt QI a plus
representation in Sailor Moon another anime.Also, we will discuss our own personal
journeys regarding both Sailor and Moon andLGBT representation, and also Hillary Duff.

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Trust me, you're gonna want tosee how that comes into play. You
might think you already know all thereis to know about our sailors, but
again, Moonstar Pride twenty twenty three. Arm one starts, sound well,

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thank you so much. Both.Well, Chris, you're always here,
but thank you Rhett for agreeing todo this. Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, go ahead and introduce yourselfto everyone. Just give me a good
sound bite. Okay, I amRhett. I go by mister Rhet on
Instagram, TikTok YouTube, I collectSailor Moon things and I make videos online.

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I don't really know how else todescribe myself. Where would you say
you predominantly post? Definitely Instagram becauseI do a lot of photography, and
that's like my preference. So I'mon Instagram the most, but it all
kind of bleeds over into other things. I'm trying to do more YouTube content

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because I think YouTube is still goingstrong. You know. I love YouTube
as a medium. It's one ofmy favorite. I struggle with TikTok.
It's so short and yeah, howdo you know? Go ahead? What?
No? You go ahead? Iwas gonna say, how do you
feel about TikTok? Like making thatkind of content. It's funny because I
feel like for a while I hadlike a stride with it, like I

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was doing it a lot, becauseI got into TikTok kind of later.
I feel like I started it maybea year ago and maybe two years ago,
I don't know, and I justposted one video for shits and giggles
for my friends and it popped offand I was like, oh, okay,
so maybe this is a great placeto also maybe I should pay attention

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to this place more. And Iwas using it quite often, and now
I've just been in a period wherelike I don't even like get on it,
Like I don't use it to lookat videos. I don't interact with
it that much. Because I justdon't have the time. But yeah,
so it's now it's more of likea chore to post something on it,
just because like, yeah, likethe short form stuff. It's like it's
a totally different way of making contentand it's a different mindset too. And

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I've noticed it doesn't feel as thisis maybe the wrong word, but renewable
in the sense that when a lotof people make YouTube videos, there's not
always but there's usually a lot ofproduction value. There's like a lot put
into the storyboarding in a lot ofcases, and it's like a full episode
almost of something a lot of thetime, and you can go back and

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rewatch that. It has a lotof like shelf life value, I feel
like. But a lot of TikTokvideos it's kind of like they're interesting for
how many weeks and then they're goneforever, almost right, just like whatever's
following the trends. I've always beenreally like against that, Like I never
I was a little emo kid,and so I've always been against doing what's
popular. So I think that's maybewhere I struggle with TikTok a little bit.

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Chris, isn't that kind of yourscene too? Yeah, I mean
I didn't start posting on TikTok untillike heavily, until the past year.
I only postum like gension cast interviewstuff on there, So that's all I
do. Oh, I was asking. I thought you said before you were

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like more of an emo kid aswell. Oh, to a degree,
not not. I didn't like dressheavily like that back then or anything would
if you had to pick, likea high school I guess identify her,
what would you say yours was?I don't even know if there's really a
name for it, but I meanin high school, that's when I started

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wearing like vintage band shirts and gettinginto all that and doing my hair in
a more like how I have itnow, like more of a preptro feathered
style. So I guess just Idon't know vintage vintage, Okay. I
was definitely the orchestra dork, themusic, the weird music, kitch go

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figure. I love your people,thank you. I love all your people
too. So your collection is prettyimpressive. Before we get into the rest
of the episode, can you justtell people what tip types of sailor moon
and stuff do you like to collect? Definitely dolls, primarily anything that is
from the nineties, and that canbe Japanese stuff or North American stuff,

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anything that has that kind of likechildlike vintage vibe. Just think like it
just makes me really happy to lookat. You know. There's a lot
of Sailor Moon merchandise like going outin like box lunch and hot topic these
days, and it definitely caters tolike adults, and to me it's not
as exciting, and I don't thinkit's meant to be exciting. Just like,

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hey, like Sailor Moon, here'sa key chain or something like that.
So I just think it's special toyou know, see that old stuff
and see kind of where toymakers werewith Sailor Moon back then. It's just
you know, we all grew up. You know, Yeah, I'm right
there with you. There's something uniqueabout the merchandise from to me specifically,

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like anything I guess before what wouldyou say, like two thousand and five
or earlier, something like that,maybe a little older that just isn't present
today. And it's almost because likethe stuff today is so mass produced,
there's so so much of it,you know, and so many options.
It kind of waters it down alittle. Do you have a favorite piece

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in your collection. I've been askedthis a lot on TikTok and I think
it probably changes, but probably myfavorite. Oh jeez, I don't know
from just right now? What areyou like fasting today? I have a
baby doll, a Little Sailor SuperSailor Moon baby doll. She's the same

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size as like all the other ones, she's like eleven inches tall, but
she's like cheevy, So she's gota big head and she has like kind
of like a cloth body, andshe's just she's cute and she's cuddly and
she's kind of hard to come byin good conditions. So when I got
her, I felt like I hadreached a milestone, like I made a

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big achievement finding her. That's alwaysfor any kind of collector, that's an
exciting moment. And yeah, weall have different little markers like that,
right, Chris, you collect productionartworked, Have you had a mark like
that in like and what context?Like something that you had either saw that

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you were like, that is somethingI really need and it feels just great
to get it, or maybe somethingyou've had your eye on for a long
time, you know. Oh yeah, I mean because my biggest wish list
with Sailor Win production arc was Huddardgun me too and kimonos from episode one
or four, And I didn't thinki'd really Yeah, I didn't think I
ever be able to achieve that.So when I had, when I got

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the opportunity, when I was offeredthat sketch set, um, I just
I freaked out and I, umit was affordable too, um because the
guy just didn't he didn't really care. It was nice enough, he just
didn't really care about valuing something intoday's current market just to sell it to
me. And yeah, I don'tknow if I would ever have found anything

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from that episode of them like thatotherwise. That is such a great choice
though, because now that you're sayingit, probably my favorite, like as
far as them out in there,not their typical clothing, they just put
so much into and like their kimonodesigns for each of the girls. They
all look so great in that episode. Yeah. Plus many Moon comes in

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and is hilarious. It's so funnyanyway, So that's our little intro here.
Also, can you spell your Instagramtitle for everybody? Or handle?
Okay, this is where it getsconfusing, because I think I'm going to
do a transition to mister rhet.But right now it's red collects. So
that's our h E T T cO l L e c T s.

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Ret collects like recollect, like you'reremembering something. Recollect. Yes, I
love that, okay, and I'llput that link in the description, and
then when it updates let me knowwhen I'll add it in as well.
Cool beans, All right, let'sget into it. I'm gonna do the
little intro part solo later, sodon't worry about that now. But this

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is the Moon Pride episode, whichis going to be this guessing LGBT themes
in Sailor Moon and some other thingsas well. But at the top in
case, I'm sure we have somelisteners who are not part of the LGBT
community. I kind of hope wedo who are going to stick through this
episode. So for anyone who doesn'tknow, let's define some things real quick.

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LGBT is sort of the shorthand thefull acronym as of twenty twenty three
from what I could find is LGBTQI A plus. Chris, could you
go through the definitions for each letter? Yeah, so L is lesbian,
G is gay, B is bisexual, and A is asexual, and then

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m Q is I think you couldprobably say not different things for Q,
but is it it's queerer questioning.Yeah, that's why I thought. Yeah,
and I is kind of similar,and it's intersects. Do you know
what that is? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So for people who don't,
intersects is a group of conditions inwhich there's a discrepancy between the external

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genitals and the internal genitals. Theolder term for this is hermaphroditism. And
there's a lot of misconceptions about this. A lot of people just think,
oh, you're born with both partsor whatever, but it's kind of like
yes, and any variation on that, right, So that can even include
someone who externally everything looks like theywere born assigned male, but then they

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also have ovaries inside or a uterus, you know what I mean. So
there's all kinds of things that theeye or intersects can include. Also,
T for transgender, those who identifyand or expression differs from cultural expectations.
Being transgender does not imply any specificsexual orientation. Some non binary people identify

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as trans while others do not.And as you said, A for asexual,
do you know what the plus is? M hmm. It's just there
to leave room for anything that includeYeah, so demisexual, pan sexual,
or anything that's like we haven't discoveredyet. We don't have to define ourselves

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on here, but we are alla member of one of those, right,
m okay. So that's kind ofwhere we're coming from here. And
I think the first thing I wantto touch on is general LGBT representation in
Japanese animation in manga. Chris,what did you find about this? Yeah,

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so the first at least as faras I think. I don't know
if it started with um yeah representationfirst, which is um men um.
But the earliest thing I've found forwomen um uri, which is the name
for lesbian media and anime and manga, was a manga, a one shot

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manga called shroy Heya no Futari whichmeans couple in the White Room. That
was back in nineteen seventy one.And that's the earliest date of anything to
do um. I don't know ifit was just I don't know if it

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was just lesbian, but um that'sthe first any kind of LGBT manga that
had a bigger impact or had awidespread release in Japan. But I heard
you said that was in nineteen seventyone, right, yeah, And did
you find anything after that, likewhat the next would be? There were
just a number of them that cameout that kind of after that happened,

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made it more normalized, I guess, but I don't, at least in
terms of eurie female gay media andanime or one guy, I don't think
really the next big huge thing wasnot until a Revolutionary Girl Utina in the
late nineties, right right, Ratt. What was your first experience with LGBT

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representation in any kind of media,in any kind of media? Yeah,
um, oh, honestly, Ihave no recollection. If anything, it
would probably be Sailor Moon because youknow, Sailor, Yarnus and Neptune are

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in it. And when I wasa kid, I was super involved in
like forums and websites, and beforeI even watched Sailor Moons the season that
they're introduced in, I already knewlike who they were and what the deal
was. And I was a littleskeptical of it at first because of the
society we lived in and like whatI was told, So I was like,

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oh, no, there's a couplelike that, Like can I watch
this show like kind of thing,and that was probably like my first time
like encountering that sort of representation thatat least that I can recall. I
asked it like that because I knowthe two of you are about eight to
ten years younger than me, soI was it was my first experience with

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it too, was Sailor Moon.But I was just curious if it was
different by the time you guys were, you know what I mean, because
we have that discrepancy and time period, so it's interesting to me. That
was also your first one, Chris, do you remember yours? Yeah,
I honestly think it was. Yeah, was the exact same thing. I
didn't already know anything about, um, you're in a certain neptune until I

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saw the show for the first timethough, but um, yeah, that's
the That's the earliest thing I rememberas far as representation goes. Yeah,
same, And I had to havea friend spell it out to me.
I was very very literal as akid, so they're like, you know,
they're lesbians, right, and Iwas like, oh my god,
that's why they touched so much,and then I got it. But yeah,

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definitely the same for me, andit had a huge impact on me
and I'm sure for you as well, And we'll get more into that later.
Um, I just want to setthe tone for when this Sailor Moon
was sort of first coming out SOTaround nineteen ninety two in Japan to nineteen
ninety five. Here, the generalattitude towards gay people was not great still,

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and there was like sort of apush going on in America at the
time, But as far as mainstreamculture or went, I would say our
representation was, Oh, at thistime, Ellen sitcom, you know what

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I mean? Have you ever heardof it? Not the show, the
sitcom? Yeah, yeah. Andwhat happened with that was she came out
ended up. I think she mayhave gotten outed, but then her character
was gay on the show eventually afterinitially being straight, and it was like
people stopped watching it over it,and they thought it was going to destroy
her career and all the stuff.After she came out, I think the

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only other person I heard about besidesher was possibly Rosy O'donald. Yeah,
and then people gave her all ofthis like nonsense because she had one time
said she had a crush on TomCruise on her talk show, and they're
like oh, you were being fakeor whatever, you know, taking into
account the climate and how dangerous anyway, So it was totally a different time,

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you guys. I'm sure you knowwhat happened with the AIDS epidemic,
right, how the government essentially ignoredit because it was happening to gay people.
It got labeled a gay disease.That's why there was not a lot
of research put into it for along time until it started affecting like the
heterosexual community. So I would sayin the nineties it was still a pretty

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hostile time towards LGBT people, andwe were kind of slowly taking steps forward.
And I think that's important because tohave this much LGBT representation in a
show, I feel like took couragefrom the creator. Do you agree with
that? Yeah? Oh yeah,I totally agree. What do you think?

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I don't know much about Nayoko Takiucci, but do you guys have any
speculation what do you think made herher? Right? Like that include all
these characters you can go if youhave any idea. I would like to
believe. I mean, it couldbe a lot of things, but I
know that it's not uncommon even forthat time for anime to kind of play
around with sexuality a little bit.Yeah, but I would like to believe

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that Nawko is just such a lovingand caring person that she wanted to put
in an effort to show every formof love, because that's kind of the
theme of Sailor Moon is love.So I think she wanted to just put
out every form that it can takeitself in. That's at least what I
would like to believe. But youknow, I don't know. She's such

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a private person. She is veryprivate. But actually I think that's perfect,
the perfect way to interpret it,because that is the message of the
show, don't you agree? Yeah? And I think that at the time,
with the context that we had andthe frame of reference, she actually
pushed that boundary a lot with severalof the characters and helped open up conversations

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that the world maybe would have gottento eventually, but maybe not as quickly.
Yeah. Yeah, So let's nowthat we sort of set the tone,
let's get into Sailor Moon. Thedebut of Sailor Moon and our first
LGBT character we see, which asfar as I know, is Zoisite.
Am I missing somebody? No?I don't think any yeah, okay,

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let's for people who need a refresherrhet. Can you describe Zoysite? Oh
my gosh, how do what like? In what way? So? Like
Zoasite is a villain? Well,Zoasite is introduced as a villain in the
show, but I believe in themanga, which I'm not a super read

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up pro about it, but isone of King and Damian's guardians. That's
right, am I right about that? So there is an importance for Zoasite
but is later portrayed as a villainbecause of Queen Beryl or Queen Mettallia whatever.
So you know, it's one ofthose tropes where it's like, I
don't know, the gay person's thevillain, but I don't see it in

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that way. But is that agood enough just for who? Yeah?
How would you interpret either one ofyou can answer? But how would you
interpret their character in terms of likeLGBT references? I mean, I think
the main thing is just the relationshipwith quin Site, and that's very obviously
it's nothing, it's nothing, youknow, intimate, but it's just very

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explicitly shown that they're that they havethat kind of relationship with each other,
and the more that zoostes Art goeson. You see that displayed clearly the
more and more that they appear onscreen together. Yeah, and I think
that their relationship is sort of moreevidence for what HTT was saying about displaying

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all the different forms of love,because right away in season one we have
obviously the beginning of Usagi and Mamaro, and then we have the whole thing
with Ray and Mamaro, but alsoin the villains world there it's still present
even though they're bad and they're thevillains, which I think is a really
important detail. And right away intheir world it was an LGBT relationship that

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we got to see. And Ithink something Naioko does especially well with villains
as she makes them very sympathetic oryou know what I mean, like you
feel for them. You don't wantto see them get like completely screwed,
and it's sort of sad when theydo. I think a lot of the
time. Yeah, was zoy SiteNo, you were saying you probably saw

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Ernest or Neptune first though, right, Yeah, I saw zoy Site,
but it was Kristen Bishop. Sofor me, it was a female and
I did not clock that it wassupposed to be a mail again until my
friend told me and I was like, oh, okay, yeah, he's
got that long ponytail. Yeah,but so did I. Yeah. I

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told my parents one time I wantedto grow my hair out. They said
no, and I said, oh, it's my hair. You said no,
you'll I'm gonna make it look terrible. You'll see. I love that
I write we all have to.That was like the most rebellious thing I
ever did, though, So whatever, how do you think we could have
our own like experiences with neptune andyourness and everything? But what does it

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feel like to see yourself reflected insomething for the first time? Like,
how would someone feel seeing voice?I do think who hadn't seen any representation
before. I kind of feel likethat depends on your age or when you're
reflecting on it. I mean,I feel like the time that I grew
up and is very different from today'stime where you see more representation. So

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it is hard for me to imaginewhat that's like. But seeing it now,
it's always a good feeling because itjust like it's nice to know that
you exist and that people with moneyacknowledge that you exist. You know,
the people producing shows and movies andstuff like that. So it's just nice
to feel that you are worthy oftaking up space and being vocal about who

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you are. Yeah. I neverthought about that aspect of it. The
people who have money are noticing you, let's see value. That's interesting,
Chris, what do you think?Yeah, I feel the same. Since
Rhett and I are the same age, I wouldn't have really, I don't.
I don't think anybody would really,you know, have a deeper reaction

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to it in the context of sexualityor discovering yourself until you were of a
certain age. It's for the timeperiod I was growing up. And it's
so hard to explain because you haveall of these external negative pressures about that
stuff, right, and you don'talways know before like most of the time,

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other people know before you do,or that's used to be how it
was because you're an effeminate cat orwhatever, and then they can kind of
clock it in you before you figureit out. And then if you are
in the misfortune of being around ahomophobic place, they can start the abuse
immediately, do you know what I'msaying. Yeah. So, unfortunately,
I think a lot of LGBT peoplewho grew up when I did. We're

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going through that. And when youthen see something on TV like that and
it's like, wait a second,that is a thing that's existing somewhere in
the world, and this is notthe attitude towards it. It's really confusing
at first because you're trained to thinkthat the things you're feeling are terrible,

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wrong, everyone around you saying somevariation of like you're going to hell,
you're not a human, you know, all kinds of disgusting things. And
then you actually see it, likedisplayed in a loving way, and you're
like, okay, okay, andthen it kind of lets you recalibrate a
little. Like first's confusing, andthen you can pause and be like,

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I'm going to look at my selfinstead of listening to all the garbage going
on around me. And it's almostlike a life raft. Yeah, you
know what I mean. And Ithink Sailor Moon for a lot of kids
in the nineties, a lot ofLGBT people in nineties, it was kind
of the thing that got us throughuntil things got a little better. Yeah.
So I think zoisite Uranus, Neptunecharacters all contributed in some way to

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that. I mean, I'm surethat's it sucked. I mean, I
wasn't watching the first season when itwas airing on TV, but I'm sure
it sucked to Like if you knewwhat was going on in Japan with the
show, if you knew that,so so then you see these characters being
like what's the word, like straightwashed or whatever, so like Zoeysite being
a female, like, then thatsucks because it's like, oh, there

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would be my representation, but we'restill being censored, you know, almost.
But I think this is where there'sa generational difference, because it was
almost like the fact that the originalcreation was there at all, Yeah,
and then the fact that we gotit at all was such a big deal
that it's kind of like we atthe time, we're used to looking for

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coded characters, and it was almostlike if you saw a character like that,
you knew there was a gay inthe writing room somewhere that made that
happen, do you know what Imean? And it was kind of like
a wink through the television to letyou know, like, hey, we're
here too, and that's the waythings used to be. And I think

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now it's easy to look at thatstuff and feel like what you were describing
and that's very justified, you know, to feel like that could have been
so great because it could have been, but unfortunately it wouldn't have been either
in that time period. It justnever would have happened. It's it's weird,
like, yeah, I get whatyou're saying, because it's like at

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that point, like we're all kindof in the closet. So it's like
it you see a character like thatand you feel like you know this like
secret thing, like you're like,I know because I am that way too,
and then you have that in commonwith each other that the censorship is
how you censor yourself as well,and it almost teaches you how to be
safe in an environment where you haveto also do that. Totally as weird

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as that sounds, because there's alot of LGBT people who even today have
to mask, I would say,is the best word for it when we're
out in certain public areas because wejust know if we're our flamboyant, true
rainbow selves, we might get shotor whatever, you know, depending on
where you are. So yeah,definitely interesting dichotomy there. Oh I put

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this in here. I ask thisChris to Chris earlier, and I think,
he says, he remembers, Butdid you ever see those don't Say
gay commercials on MTV? Do youlike this tough so gay? Really?
Yeah, it's totally gay. Youknow you really shouldn't say that. See
what we'll say that something's gay whenyou mean it's bad, it's insulting.

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What if every time something was bad, everybody said, ah, that's so
girl wearing a skirt as a top. Oh you are, those are cute
teen stuff. When you say that'sso gay, do you realize what you
say? Knock it off? They'rethe one I remember is with Hillary Duff.
When you guys were growing up,was the thing that that was addressing

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still happening in schools? Do youremember, like were you getting called gay
constantly or fag or whatever? Oh? Yeah, my whole time growing up.
I was more so in middle school, not so much high school,
but in middle school that was whenI was like openly telling people that I
was. I didn't say it wasgay, so I was by then.

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But um, in middle school thatwas when I was getting all of that,
but I didn't really Fortunately I didn'tdeal with any of that in high
school. I think you guys arekind of like your generation was the tail
end of that, probably because doyou remember how old you were when you
saw those videos. I want tosay that that was around two thousand and
eight, right, something like that. So I was a little earlier.

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I was in middle school, andI grew up a big Hillary Duff fan.
Let the Nag Show I'm Coming.I had all her CDs. She

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was my favorite entity in the world. And so I also had my AOL
kids account and I she would popup in the news there all the time.
And I don't know, I don'tI doubt that particular one popped up
there, But I watched MTV withmy sisters, and I remember thinking,
like, Hillary Duff is so cool, Like it's just like the coolest thing

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well seeing And that's a really importantdelineation, though, someone that you have
that much reverence for doing a commerciallike that twenty years later people laugh at
it and make fun of it.Oh my gosh, was that so important
at the Yeah, And how itfelt to see someone that you looked up
to that much standing up for you. It's like, I don't know how

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to really describe that feeling. AndYeah, the commercials are like hokey pokey
and silly or whatever, but Ithink you can both attest to this.
I would say about maybe five toten years after those dropped, it really
became not cool to just openly behomophobic anymore, don't you think. I
think so, and not everywhere,but like, it definitely has gotten a

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lot better. So I do thinkit made an impact, And I just
wanted to bring that up because Ithink that's something from our listeners time period
that they can remember. Yeah.I think is probably single handedly why that
was so important because for younger kidslike me that basically were raised by Hilary
Duff, that that it kind oflike she taught us at the formative age

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not to do that. So thensome of us were going into the future
knowing that that's not okay, youknow, yeah, and it's it's not
going to be an instantaneous effect either. Yeah, you're right, Like,
because we had I love Lizzie,Lizzie, I love I grew up on
Lizzie McGuire. Did please tell meyou went to Lizzie McGuire movie in theaters.

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No, I watched on Disney Channelfor reruns. Okay, well it
was fantastic. I don't think mysmall town theater even had that movie.
Oh my god. I was liketo my poor parents, I was like,
we are going so many times becauseevery time I hear the words,
hey, now that song starts inmy head. Hey no heyno. Anyway,

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Yeah, no, it was soimportant to see those that kind of
thing. So Sailor Moon was givingus LGBT representation and a really tumultuous time
for people here. And let's kindof dive into the full diversity of Sailor
Moon. So, do you guyshave your outlines up? No, but
I can pull it up. Yeah, it up for me real quick.

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All right, Rhett, can youjust kind of go down through the cannon
female homosexuality section? Yes, sostarting with Uranus and Neptune. Yeah.
So, Uranis and Neptune are theonly two openly homosexual Sentshi of this series.
Senshi's stands for soldiers or translates notstands for but their relationship is cannon.

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In both the anime and manga,they were in a relationship from their
very first appearance, and we're quitehonest about it. Hadika flirted with other
girls quite often, particularly Usagi,and Mitschuru occasionally flirted with men, but
they were dedicated to each other.They later became baby Hutaru's mama and papa,

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and then you want me to dothe Itali sized part. Yeah,
I just thought that was interesting.I had that in there. So at
the San Diego Comic Con in nineteenninety eight, now Cootecuci, the creator
of Sailor Moon, confirmed that SailorYuranis is into women by saying that,
yes, Sailor Neptune and Uranus wereintended to appear as lovers and were indeed
a couple. Yeah, and Iput that in there and I bolded nineteen

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ninety eight because I think after wejust set that whole tone, Naoko having
the confidence to go in an interviewand be like, yeah, they're lesbians
and what I think that's really important. And it was still a debate even
after Sailor Moon was done airing inJapan. Apparently it was a debate as
to whether or not they were gay. I don't know. I was saying,

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if she had to clarify that,then I guess people were like,
yeah, yeah, why would shehave to say that. It's so it's
so clear anyway, and whatever.That's odd. I guess it. At
the time, though, unless youblatantly stated it, people would do anything
to like not exactly exact people heardthe like, oh they were roommates,

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yep, that whole thing right,all right, let's go through Starfighter Okay,
Starfighter also known as Saya. Saya'slove for Usagi in both the anime
and manga could be seen as straight, but her natural form as female and
her affections seemed equally strong as SailorStarfighter. It should also be noted that
in the manga, it was itwas a sorry, it was very heavily

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implied that Sailor Starfighter, who likeall the Starlights, merely cross dressed to
disguise herself as a boy. Inthe manga, had an unirequited how do
you say that word? Unre okayhad had an unrequited love for Princess Khakiu.
This affection was also, but lessheavily implied in the anime. In
the Korean dub, Sayah became awoman in civilian billion form, and her

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relationship with Usagi was made into ahomosexual relationship. I didn't know that about
the Korean dub. That's fascinating.I didn't either, and I was just
going to say I noticed something elselater about another dub where they had something
similar, And I think a lotof time, in the terms of the
Sailor Moon universe, I'm guilty ofthis. We think about it as like

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Japanese or English period, and there'sso many different interpretations and translations of it.
And think in one of them,the cats Luna and Artemis are lesbians
for a minute, and then they'renot later, like Artemis is a girl
for like a couple episodes, andthen he's a man, and then after

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that he's a man, and you'relike, okay, so yeah, I
love hearing about the other dubs likethat kind of info. Sailor Starfighter,
Chris, do you have anything toadd about Starfighter? Well, I guess
the man thing would I remember It'smore so in the context of the whole
season overall. But I remember backwhen I interviewed Susan Roman, and I

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think I had to tell Barbara Radeckito the original voices of Jupiter enough tune.
They didn't know, like specifically whythe last season wasn't brought over back
then. I remember Linda Valentine andKatie Griffin knew when I talked to them

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so I just thought it. Ijust remember thinking it was really interesting that
like Susan and Barbara didn't know.I don't think they ever because, like
we were saying back when this wasbeing dubbed, it was like the internet
was different too. I don't knowif they would have had any way to
see it unless the studio gave itto them or something. Maybe, Yeah,
so that could be why. Butyou know, you're right, it

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seems like some of them, likewhat do you think half of them know
and half of them don't. Yeah, probably, I mean, I'm sure,
I know. I mean it wouldmake more sense why Linda knew because
she is Sailor Moon so and she'sthere during that season. Well, so
so was Susan. I would guessthat it was probably like maybe some of
them asked more questions about production thansome of the other actors who maybe were

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busy and just like did their linesand left where maybe some stuck around,
or maybe they were talks trying tosecure like who was going to go on
to the next season or not,and only like the more prominent voices got
asked first and then it got shotdown because I know they had the materials
because they were planning on releasing aneternal Sailorman Dahl in the two thousands,

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so it was something that they hadmaterials for and were planning. But I
don't know, you know, ifthey ever began to do any production on
the fifth season. You're right though. And they also had not the card
game that I plays, like Pokemon, but the picture collectible cards. I
think the dark flat cards. Theyhad Eternal and Star stuff, didn't they.

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I don't know. I don't collectthose. I have a handful,
but I don't I don't remember someonesaying that. I think it was Kousu
actually she said, yeah, Isaw the like Sailor Stars merchandise, and
I was like, wait a second, what's that? Because we didn't get
that Yeah over here, I sawthe only way. The first thing I
saw of Stars was from Negavision,which we've covered some of their stuff on

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here. Have you ever heard ofthem? I have not looked them up.
After they were an old fan dubway back in the day and they
had started to do some Stars.Yeah, and I got there like VHS
volumes. Yes, No, Ido know what you're talking about. I've
forgot what they were called and stufflike that. I have such reverence for
them, because it was literally likethe first attempt that I think we had

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that was serious from the fans tobring it over when we realized they weren't
going to you know. Yeah,so I have such respect for them.
Let's get into some of the fancannon relationships for the female homosexuality. So
fan canon means this is speculation thefandom has made based on facts or observations
from the manga and the anime.Chris, can you read the Mercury section?

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Yeah, so Ami Mesno was alate bloomer when it came to romance,
causing some fans to interpret her relationshipswith the other girls as crushes.
According to some fan theories, DarkMercury of Pretty Guardian Sentlerman in the live
action, had an unrecorded crushed onhis saggy and thus acted as a jilted
lover. However, she did showinteresting boys on a less regular basis and

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the other Innercentury and seemed to carefor neph Right's human form, possibly as
a parallel of the ambiguous relationship betweenDark and Dark Mercury and neph Right.
I find the concept of amy kindof interesting here, although I think that
a lot more people as we seein Jupiter her section next, they usually

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think that there's something going on betweenthem, right, That's what I've always
heard. I've seen things poke pokedaround like that before, based on the
dance episode, which I think soKristen, she mentioned that recently, Yeah,
I mean people, especially in thepast like year or two years,
a lot of anime esthetic social mediapages loved the post that array of screen

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of screen caps of Amy and thendancing expand like have their own cannons with
it since it ties in I'll readthe Jupiter one. Makoto Keino's inability to
settle her affections has made some fansspeculate that she was in the closet.
In the anime. She twice blushedfiercely after seeing up sailor mercury skirt,
which we just had in the KittyChaos episode. That's I think the first

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time we see that moment. Andshe also appeared to have a romantic crush
on Harka at one point when shewas aware of Haroca's true gender and is
that the Scarf episode, Yeah,scar So in the Japanese she has a
crush after she knows she's female.Did they keep that, do you remember.

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I mean, I would have tolike see the original English deb of
it again, but I don't thinkthey really started much around that. I
don't think they cut anything out ofit, because you know, by that
point, when Sailor Moon was onCartoon Network, they weren't really heavily editing
it anymore. Yeah, that's true. It was just to get through the

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red tape, it says in truththough, she's merely wanting to become a
strong independent woman, not necessarily alesbian, which I think is if Naoko
has confirmed that, that's fine.I don't know. In Pretty Guardian Sailor
Moon, she eventually dated Motoki andaccepted his proposal at the end of the
special Act, but there's a lotof little moments between Jupiter and Mercury.

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I think. So I can seewhy fans might speculate about that rhet.
Can you read? Yes, So, ray Hino was straight in the anime,
but in Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon shegot to be very close to Minaco.
Some fans interpret their relationship to becloser than a simple friendship. These

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fans theorize that the only reason itis not canon is because the live action
series was intended as a children's show, hence the sub subtleties and ambiguity.
Oh my gosh, hence the subtletiesand ambiguities, Oh my god, ambiguities.
Let me start over again. Hencethe subtleties and the ambiguities. Also

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the trivial behaviors, special zoomed inshots and so forth that were not supposed
to be noticed by small children,but by their parents watching with them in
their interactions. As seen in theshow. Ray was also shown to be
close to Minaco and the manga thatanything beyond that is speculation. Did I
totally butcher that paragraph? I'll editit together, don't work. I'm sorry

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all the editing. I didn't evenlook at the words in this when I
copied that. So those that's like, um, it's like a RuPaul's drag
race teleprompter challenge. No, youdid find something I think is interesting about
mars character though, is in themanga, and we've said this before,
she's kind of like man hating becauseI had a lot of negative experiences with

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men in her life at a reallyyoung age. Part of her character is
a little more LGBT. I neverreally thought of her in that way,
have you No, No, Idon't think so, because she's always been
with Richio in the anime, andthen what is her sit is he get
shitted with him in the manga.I don't know. I haven't read the

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manga in about ten years, andI've sped through it. It's been a
long time. We'll update them later, then we'll find out. There is
that one little part I don't Idon't know if it's just anime only,
but there is that one little partin the one of the early episodes of
season three where Usagi is giving Rayshit for owning a magazine that's about like

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women in Japan dressing up as menand like doing stage plays, and then
Ray gets all flustered and says,like, you shouldn't be going through my
stuff. Also, now that yousay that, her and Usagi have a
couple of moments that I'm just like, I could see it going that way.
Yeah, especially the way she fightsfor her harder than anybody else.

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If you've noticed that, I getmore like sister Vibes, like big sister,
little sister vibes, and an extremelyloving way. I don't have siblings,
so I don't know what that's like, but I could definitely see that
too. Yeah, I don't know. Out of this list, I think
she makes the least sense to me. And then it actually has Aluminum Siren

(45:52):
and led Crow listed here from SailorStars. For people who might not be
familiar, who are those characters?Chris? There are two of them,
two of the villains in the finalseason of Galaxia's Anima Mates or Galaxia's Servants,
and they're kind of partnered up,and not in that kind of way

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explicitly, but just like as avillainous duo. So they were both shown
in the anime to share a prickleader friendship, where led Crow was defensive
of exasperated by Siren's behavior. Somefans have taken led Crowe's affections for her
working partners evidence for them being lovers, or for evidence of her having an

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unrecredited love for Luon and Siren.These fans also sometimes point out that there
are parallels between these characters and Zoociteand Quinsite. In both cases, the
less experience of the two was killedby the leader despite please of the more
experienced one, and when the moreexperience of the two later died, they
called out. They called out theother's name, right. Have you ever
noticed that relationship between them? Ohyeah, definitely. I recently did a

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rewatch with my fiance and he neverwatched Sailor Moon, and he really liked
those characters, and we pointed outthose things about them. Oh nice.
Yeah, it's been so long sinceI've seen it, I'm blanking on it.
But I think the second I watchedit again, I'll be like,
yeah, okay, I got it. Oh yeah, they're really touching.

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I never realized though, those parallelsbetween Zoisite and Koonsite. That's interesting.
Yeah. I wonder why she didn'tmake that more explicit. Maybe she was
just like, there's already so muchgoing on this season with like Starfighter and
usage and then Momru being gone andall that. She was just like,
yah, we don't have room forit, right yeah. And then yeah,

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and then this was the Luna Artemisthing I mentioned earlier. It's in
the French dub. Both Luna andArtemis were female when they first appeared,
which implied they were lesbians, andthen later Artemis was referred to as a
male. And that's all of thefemale homosexuality or lesbian representation and Sailor Moon.
We're going to move into the malehomosexuality section, and this little blurb

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at the beginning it says, well, the show's protagonists and antagonists were mainly
female, especially in the later storyarcs. Several men were presented as homosexual
in the series, more so inthe anime continually or continuity than anywhere else.
And we obviously talked about Koonsite andZoysie already from season one, so

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we can jump ahead. I knowfish Eye is one of your favorite Chris,
can you tell us about fish Eye? Yeah, so, blurb says.
In the anime, fish I waspresented in a similar manner to Zoo
Site as an feminine gay man,and in fact was arguably more feminine and
zoasite, which I would agree withtoo. Fishye was not in a study

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relationship, and over the course ofSailor Moon's supers was attracted to several men,
including mam Ru. He also isa frequent cross dresser and commonly pretended
to be a girl in order toattempt to attract these men. One exception
to this it was an episode oneforty when he addresses a man when pursuing
Yoshiki Usui implying that Usui was openlyhomosexual. In the manga, however,
fish I had a much smaller part, similar to that of a Monster of

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the Day, when he was summonedby the Amazon's Quartet to try to seduce
Ami as part of the Dead Moon'splan of getting rid of the Sailor Scouts.
Yeah, I forgot about that.The fish I wasn't as big of
a character, and I was watchingSupers recently for fun, and the Amazon

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trio was like, I think morethan the first half of it, they're
a long time. Yeah, theyI feel that they kind of overstay their
welcome. I love them, butthose episodes really drag out, so it
does feel like they're there for along time. That's what I was noticing.
I was like, I think wecould have had I loved the episode
with their last one though, butI was like, oh, yeah,

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have been like four, four orfive earlier, I think we would have
been good. Because it just doesn'tthen the quartet part just sort of happens
quickly. It's a little odd.Yeah. What was your experience with fish
Eye, Rhett? My experience,I feel like, so watching the original
English dub fish I was a femaleand I don't know, there was always

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something weird about her, but youknow, they're circus people. But I
feel like later in life, Iappreciate the character and I feel that it
fish I might be one of themore what's the word progressive characters in the
show, like even more so thansome of the other ones, just because
of you know, all of thelike can I say gender bending or whatever,

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but kind of like there's an unclearness, but also just the mannerisms in
the way fish Eyes animated and voiceacted. It's very I appreciate, you
know, the character a lot.Yeah, I can't agree with all of
that. What about you, Chris, Yeah, since you know, having
the seeing it on TV and havingthe tapes of the fourth season back then

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that was my first experience as well. But it also I, like reht
said, it did feel off ina way. Um and like so many
other people where I was just Iwas so eager, um once I knew
that uh Viz was redubbing Sailor Moonand I was like super eager to see

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which who which, which guy wasin the vo community. Um was going
to be voicing Fishy and Um.Eric Comaro did a really great job and
voicing him like how he was alwaysmeant to be voiced in in English as
well. I haven't actually heard himyet, so I'm going to have a

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fun time with that when I getthere. But yeah, fish Ic character
I think is so fantastic and importantbecause it creates a lot of important conversations
whatever version you're watching. And alsothe thing that I really loved about it
is there's something about fish Eyze characterwhere it's like, I don't even think

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fish I knows what their deal is. They're just trying to be themselves to
ye. And that comes to becausethey're kind of like, man, woman,
whatever I'm gonna wear, what I'mgonna wear, I'm gonna, I
guess in this case, target whoI'm going to target, and You're just
going to deal with it. Andthat kind of a character, especially in
that time period. It takes somuch just inner strength to live that way

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period and I really admire that inFish Eye. And we talked about this
Chris in What's sort of Happening Nowwith the nineties dub is because of these
changes they made with Zoie sites voiceand fish Eye vocals, they kind of
accidentally provided non binary and transgender orlike gender fluid representation, because Voy site

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very clearly if you wanted to interpretthat character as someone who was that way,
you could, and same with fishIM. We just it's just not
necessarily stated. And I actually thinkit's possible that Nayako just didn't have a
language for it. I don't know. So I love fish I. I
think it's a great character. Doyou guys want to add anything about them

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on one little thing? I wasgonna say that like the first I know,
like early on when rhetin I hadmet each other on Instagram, I
left a couple of comments on someof those videos saying that he should have
been like the one to dove fishI. I appreciate that so much.

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What is the vibe of fish I'snew voice? If you had to give
it, let's say, like giveit on a scale of oh god,
I don't want to do numbers.I don't know a scared fem to mask.
Where in the spectrum is it.It's very it's very feminine, but

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it's not, at least in myopinion, it's not like over the top.
I don't know if if you've heardum if Red has heard anything.
I have because when the dub wasreleased on Hulu. Um, I think
I watched like a couple of myfavorite episodes just to see like how the
new dub sounded, you know,just to hear it differently. Um,

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And I've definitely heard Fishey's voice,but I didn't, like, I haven't
watched all those episodes in English.Yeah, so I can't personally rate where
it's at. I can kind ofhear it in my head a little bit,
but I would definitely say it's um, it's a it's a a male's
feminine voice for sure. I wascurious, well because I was curious to

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see if they were going to gothe full way with it, which would
have been that, or if theywere going to kind of like masculate wash
it. Do you know what.I don't know how to like just put
like a straight up like any man, you know what I mean? Because
I feel like you guys can probablyrelate to this. We all have some
well I don't want to speak foryou guys. I have the gay accent

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sometimes and you know what that is, right, It's like just hear it.
And in history it's not necessarily beenlike celebrated that much in at least
not what I've seen in media.So I'm glad they made that choice and
to not get rid of that,I think that's important. Yeah, h

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do you want to touch or doyou want to tell us about Fiore Chris?
Yeah, so one of my favoritecharacters, not just in Sailor Moon,
but in anime in general. SoFury, if anyone doesn't know,
is an original character for the firstmovie, and he looks and a goal

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to alan or Iyelum in the DoomTree arc of the second season. That's
right. So, Fiori's obsession withMamaro in the r movie has led many
fans to conclude that Fiori was gay. Amy suggested that mamer was popular with
men in referenced this in that movie, which allowed the other girls to jokingly

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call her perverted. However, however, it is quite possible that the alien
was only obsessed with Mamroo as hewas the only friend Fiori could ever remember
having when um Fiori landed on landedon Earth. Yeah, and as a
kid growing up, Fiori's character andso the nineties version of this movie and

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the Japanese version are probably very verydifferent. Which versions where you did you
guys? See first, probably theEnglish right, Yeah, I watched the
English one first, and then thefunny thing is they had the VHS version
and then the DVD version or actuallydifferent from each other of that versions,
like they've removed one of the songs, and then they like on the VHS

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all of the violence got replaced bywhite flashes, like right, not all
the blood the blood and stuff.Um so I that was the first version
of this I saw, and Imean, there's not much you can do
with this movie to not make itfeel gay. It's the hardest fan canon
one to deny because it's you know, everyone points it's it's so it's just

(57:30):
like it's big gay whenever I watchedit, and I love that. I
don't know what made them go thathard with it on the first Sailor Moon
movie, because they don't know withthe other two. But it was just
something she had like hair, Idon't know, but she was just like

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she was feeling her oats and shewas like, this is gonna be It's
literally, for those who know thereference, it's like the Sasha Vlur reveal
of Sailor Moon when you pull thewig up and then the rose petals fall
out. Oh yeah, so itreally is. And m Fiori's character specifically

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is kind of an interesting villain becauseit's like based on love it kind of,
but the negative aspects of it almostWhat was your when you first saw
Fiori? Did you clock him rightaway? I think for me anyway,

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M not so much in the firstviewing, just because I was so so
young, but not long after that, like when I saw it again in
my I don't know, late childhoodand early teenage, that yeah, you
can definitely tell that it's you know, not just not a friendship kind of

(58:58):
thing. Man. Yeah a second, Oh no, I'm good. I
think the first time I watched it, yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't
thinking about that, like that wasnot on my radar, but probably when
it got redubbed and like put intheaters and stuff like that. I think
it wasn't even a moment where Iwas like oh, it was more like
oh duh, like it was youknow. I think this was an instance

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of my friend having to tell meagain. But to be fair, I
think I started watching it at apretty young age, and like I said,
it was before there was really anyrepresentation, so it was kind of
like not on my radar, butyeah, it's it's undeniable. And what
makes Fiora one of your favorite characters, Chris, A combination of things.
Um. The art style is alwaysa big thing for me, and whatever

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it is, but just the wholeinteraction with Mamroo and the history and his
interactions with um Usagi and how thathow she or she makes him realize what
his real feelings are. And Iguess both English performances are all the all

(01:00:08):
the performances too, but um,yeah it was. And I've talked about
this with Alex Um. I'm surethe clip or showed him the clip,
but U Ben diskin his voice actorin the re dub. It was funny
because Ben, oh I didn't realizehe was the voice actor for that.

(01:00:29):
Oh soe I fed. I fearedyou knew that that was I know who
he is. I I've met him. I had no idea that was who
he was. I think I knew, but I'm just now connecting the name
in the person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it was funny because
I told him that, like,Fioria was probably my single favorite character that
you've done. And Ben said that, Um, he thought he thought he

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thought that was funny that I thoughtthat, because when he was recording that,
he just like totally in his mind. He totally half asked it because
the first thing he thought was like, Okay, so he's sad, but
just like in a sexy way.Yeah. Didn't you say, say the
voice actor you were just talking about, is that the Viz or the nineties?

(01:01:15):
And didn't you say He kind ofjust was like he could tell right
away and he just kind of wentin that direction. Yeah, yeah,
okay, the way he described hedid an impression of like sad but sexy
about it or something. When hewas telling you that, it was so
funny. Okay, so Fiori isfantastic. Then we get these are some

(01:01:36):
lesser characters, but I'll just kindof name them quickly. Live Action zoy
Site and the live action series Zoysitewas presented as being protective over Prince and
Damien to the point of obsession.He wants to break up and Damian and
Serenity, whom he did not trust, and this led to the notion of
Zoysite having an unrequited love for Endamianbeing popular with the fans. Yeah,

(01:02:00):
okay, this sort of interesting.The live action is a weird universe,
but fun. Have you guys bothseen it? Seen like clips of a
that's right? What about you?Ritt? Hi, I'm here. There's
something weird going on in our lobby, but I'm here now. What was
your question? I'm sorry, it'sokay. Have you seen the live action?

(01:02:23):
I have not. It's something thatI've been It's like on the list
and I feel like I'm a fakeSailor Moon fan because I can't haven't seen
it yet. You know, it'sone of the few things you still have
to dig for a little to kindof find it. I think so,
I think that's fair. But no, it's fun and it's weird. You
both should watch the whole thing eventually. But yeah, so there was some

(01:02:45):
representation with the zoyset character there.Can you read the next section? Chris
as mentioned in fish Eyes section anepisode one forty fish I pursued the affections
of a man without approaching him anddrag this They indicate that us is openly
gay, or at least known personto be gay. Of a fish Eye
and his profession, fashion design issometimes stereotypically portrayed in fiction as being a

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career choice popular with gay men.There is some implication that is Assistant maybe
his lover or at least attractive tohim, as Phishi's interventions caused the two
to row and the cat. Thetwo made up at the end of the
episode after fish I left. Alsoin the dub, the assistant was identified
as USU's brother, Um, andthis change is said to your own reminiscence

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as the how to God Meets Youcensorship. This is the target? Which
is this the one where fish eyeIt's like the painter guy. No,
that's the one. Forty is thefashion design? Oh well, it is
the fashion I think I'm picturing thecorrect guy and mixing up his profession.

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Um. He was sort of avery very minor character, and then same
with the next one site house suit. I know, how do you say
his name? Suguo or yeah,Suko bow. He was the manager for
Minaco in the live action series,and he was pretty flamboyant and infeminine.
I kind of remember him. Iwould have to see it again. Someone

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in this series was obsessed with turtlestoo, but I think that was the
character of Andrew or Motoki. Forsome reason, he was always around turtles.
I kind of enjoyed that but yeah, that's the end of the male
homosexuality representation for Sailor Moon, atleast for here. And then I have
a little section on the trans andnon binary gender fluid representation, But most

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of this is speculation because a lotof it hasn't necessarily been stated directly,
and we're not going to go throughall of this because we kind of talked
about it already. But those characterswould have been zoisite Haruka. Even though
she's pretty much clearly referred to asa lesbian and a woman, there are

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some people who think because of theway she dresses sometimes maybe she's like gender
fluid or non binary. Could youguys see that? Yeah, I guess,
yeah, it's kind of open tointerpretation. Hi, I'm sorry real
quick, I need to step away. There is something crazy happening in the
lobby, So I'll be back inlike five minutes. You can continue without
me and I'll pick up and asRhett steps away. That's our queue to

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end Part one of our Moonstar Pridetwenty twenty three. Special for any of
our listeners who want to answer whatforms of representation are important to you?
Remember, whoever you are is goingto depend on that's going to influence what
is important for you. If youare someone who's trans, you're going to

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care about trans representation. If youare someone who is just a person who
I don't know, Like you getwhat I'm saying, Like, whatever is
unique to you, that is goingto be what you're looking for in media.
I remember I had a friend whohad a thing where there are small

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bumps that would appear on their arm, and when we were watching there's something
they were just like, it's askin disorder, right, A lot of
people have it, and this personwas just very insecure. And when they
saw someone on a show that wewere watching together who had that who they
were being successful. It wasn't somethingthat people were even discussing or pointing out

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or talking about. They actually commentedon it to me and they were like,
it just makes me feel good tosee someone who has that same issue
on TV and like doing well.And so it can literally it can be
anything down to if someone has asimilar tooth to you. I don't know,

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but yeah, what forms of representationmatter to you? And I want
to know when did you, guysfirst start to see a positive image of
yourself reflected back to you? Inthe media you were watching. I think
as representation grows and we get moreof it, younger generations are just not

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aware of what it felt like forthose of us who lived in a world
where we were still pretty much invisible, or maybe there was a lot of
misrepresentation going on in some cases.And that's why I want to share these
stories. That's why we're having conversationslike this, because I'm not the first

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person to say it. As youtake steps forward, you can take steps
back at any time. And ifyou know the way that it was before,
it's easier to avoid going back there. And also if we do end
up going back there, you mightbe more prepared to deal with it if
you know kind of how it was, you know it won't be the same.

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But anyway, Yeah, so goahead and sound off in the comments,
let us know what your experience hasbeen regarding that. And also a
right, we're still kind of inthe middle of our coverage of the LGBT
representation within Sailor Moon, but ifyou have any favorite specific moments from the

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show that you want to start talkingabout, start going off about them now.
We might talk about them next timeor on the part two. You
never know. All right, we'renot done yet. The second hour drops
July fourth, so be sure totune in to hear the thrilling conclusion of
our conversation, which does include aspecial time capsule segment at the end in

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which Chris, myself and Rhett allgive our candid feelings on what it's like
to be living as out lgbt QIAplus individuals in the United States in twenty
twenty three, and I'll explain alittle more about that in that episode as
well. All Right, that's it, let's hit the plugs. For more

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of Rhett, you can check himout on Instagram at m y s t
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