July 31, 2025 • 55 mins
What does it actually feel like to hear from God?
In this episode of More Than Reality, we (Adam & Danielle Busby) open up about our most personal experiences with hearing God’s voice — from quiet moments of peace to bold steps of obedience that completely changed our lives. Whether it was the decision to move, navigating health challenges, or choosing faith over fear during some of our biggest parenting struggles, we walk through what spiritual discernment looks like in real life.
We also answer some big questions we’ve been getting lately:
This is our story — raw, honest, and full of hope for anyone wondering how to trust God, even when it doesn’t make sense.👣 Mentioned in this episode:
In this episode of More Than Reality, we (Adam & Danielle Busby) open up about our most personal experiences with hearing God’s voice — from quiet moments of peace to bold steps of obedience that completely changed our lives. Whether it was the decision to move, navigating health challenges, or choosing faith over fear during some of our biggest parenting struggles, we walk through what spiritual discernment looks like in real life.
We also answer some big questions we’ve been getting lately:
- “How do you know it’s really God?”
- “Why would you leave something so good?”
- “What does obedience look like when it’s hard?”
This is our story — raw, honest, and full of hope for anyone wondering how to trust God, even when it doesn’t make sense.👣 Mentioned in this episode:
- John 10:27 — “My sheep hear my voice…”
- The story behind our move and stepping out in faith
- Danielle’s knee surgery and what it revealed spiritually
- Real-life moments where God showed up in unexpected ways
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
This is More Than Reality podcast where we dive into
all things faith, family, and marriage and share that there
is so much more than the reality that you see
on the surface. Welcome to More Than Reality with Adam
and Danielle Busby.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
What's up Hello, We're still in the news space. This
is More Than Reality Podcast with Adam and.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Danielle Busby and guys. Adam loves gadgets and we have
new headphones. He hates the big air puff headphones and
I like him.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's not that I hate him, it's just I don't know,
it's just not necessary.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And I feel like I'm wearing a headband, and then if,
like my hair is dirty, I feel like it covers
up some of it. So now I have to be
more cautious about what my hair looks like and everything.
But these are theingse are more comfortable, and I guess
you can see, like if I have earrings on and stuff,
because those other ones always covered up, and like I'm
an earring person, fell naked without earrings, and I have
all kind of different rings on today because I'm so
(01:13):
inflamed and swollen, I can't fit any of my jewelry
on my fingers.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So these are all of.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
My All the moving got Danielle's inflammation up, Yeah, big time.
She had to go to Oh but this is episode
forty three, by the way. Oh but yeah, this week
you had to go to the doctor. Yeah, she's got
a band aid on her knee. She had Danielle had
(01:38):
a bunch of fluid taken out of her knee. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I mean ever since I had carried the quintuplets, one
of the things that my body suffered with was losing
a lot of cartilage in my joints just with the
weight in the impact of carrying quintuplets. So I had
knee surgery. I don't know, like maybe like a year
and a half after having them, Like I remember them.
(02:04):
Their mobile were in the Moldi home, which was we
didn't know was Mouldy home at the time.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
But I want to.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Say that they were like maybe a year old or
nine ten months old maybe something like that. I don't remember,
but I know I had knee surgery, had torminiscus and
like eleven centimeters of cartilage just floating around cause and
so basically now I have like arthritis in that knee
because I just rubbed joint to joint and it fills
up with fluid and it's just it's just ultra painful.
(02:33):
And so I haven't done anything to it because when
we switched insurance a while back, I need it to
be like a year of no treatment for preexisting or something.
And then that led to oh I forgot, Oh I forgot.
But I just live in pain, and I'm like whatever,
I'm just deal with it. During this move, I was like,
I can't, like I can't barely walk, and there's so
(02:53):
much we gotta do.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I gotta go get done, something done to it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So luckily we have friends in hype places. I have
a very close friend of ours owns a big medical practice. Yeah,
so you need to come to the office. Yeah, So
that was we'll take care of that.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I was like, this is amazing, bullow that flew it
out and then put me some gel, you.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Know, put me some cartilage in there.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So that's what it was. It wasn't like a cortizone shot.
They like put gel in there and like cushion it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, and I've done that in the past before, but
I hadn't done that in a long time, in years,
and so it's just been so bad, and you could
just see, like my knee it looks like an old
person's I call it my fat knee, a fat knee.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I do it's it looks like a completely different leg
to me.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
But anyway, so, yeah, my leg is feeling better, my
knee is feeling better. And he said, yesterday, make sure
just take it easy since we did some you know,
work to it. And I got home in like seven
thirty last night, and I'm like, uh, I didn't really
take it easy today, just not getting home.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Well, it's just it goes back to like all the
times whenever the coins were babies.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, likely he never recovered carrying multiple kids up and down,
up and down, up and down the stairs all day long. Yeah,
and then in the car and then here we are.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
We're in the middle of a move. It's a two
story house. Been moving stuff up and downstairs. I know
the other day you were like from house. I remember
going back, but my knee really feels like it's just
about to break. Like my knee feels like it's about
to break. Yeah. So and you don't really know, like
I don't know what that feels like, but.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Had like instant really, I mean, it keeps me up
at night like I can't. I can't sleep because it
hasn't been in so much pain. I have to move
constantly and adjust it. But I had instant relief just
with the fluid coming out of it. But it takes,
you know, a day or two for four forty eight
seventy two hours for that jail to really like kind
(04:59):
of coat the joint and not really feel that pain anymore.
But it feels feels a whole lot better, even though
it's still kind of achey right now.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I bet it feels a lot better after getting all
that fluid out helps a lot. Daniel sent me a
photo of the syringe, like, I mean, it was like
this big around if you're watching on YouTube, it was
like this big around and it was full.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And I've had two full ones of those pulled out
money before.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, this is like one in like a quarter of
another one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
He's like, you're too young to have this much fluid.
I'm like, yeah, welcome to my life.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You try having quints, A lot of weird stuff happens
to you.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, And you know, it's one of those things that
like it's something that like, you know, would this have
happened in my life.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
If I didn't carry the quints, I don't know image
happened a lot sooner.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, And it's one of those things that even though
I you know, have a lot of hell struggles and
like pains and my joints in my back, a lot
of that is because of carrying babies and stuff, and
so it's something like it's hard to complain about because
it reminds me how blessed I am in a way
(06:14):
to be able to like have the life with the girls.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And so the pain is just worth it.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
It's just the gift.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
We'll call the pain a gift, yeah, but I mean
it is. It's a constant reminder to this is worth it,
and I'm going to live with this pain and it's fine.
I mean, it's fine, but it's a suffering that we
all in theory, we all are sinners in a way,
and so I'm kind of like trying to relay that
to that we all live in sin but to remind
(06:45):
us we need Jesus, right, And so this is my
whenever I'm going all the things in my head right now,
but it is just a reminder to me that like
my pain, it doesn't connect to you.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Connects in my head. I'm just not saying it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
What's Jesus? Is it Doug jail or is it him
removing the sin which is your fluid?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I haven't thought that far yet. It just was making
sense in my head. But you know, you know sometimes
things I don't say it outright. So we're just let's
move on.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Trying to connect the dots here. I'm trying to track.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I know it was tracking to me, but you know,
got a little conjamed in.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
There, condemned yep added to the board.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Then I think that's already on the board. Actually, I
say that one a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I mean this week, obviously, we're still we've still been
moving stuff around and trying to organize a house, and
we're still waiting on a lot of pieces of furniture
to come in so that we can organize. And so
I mean there's still stuff in boxes everywhere and.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
In close everywhere because we don't have rooms.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is the worst. Everything's just already.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Have a bed and a nightstand with no dressers. The
closet's a lot smaller, but whatever, whatever, it's fine, it's good.
It's a cozy home.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It is. We still I mean, I love and I
mentioned it on the last week's podcast. I just I
missed that neighborhood feel like it is here. I mean,
obviously the houses are a lot closer together, and so
you just have that neighborhood feel like you walk outside
(08:35):
and like your neighbor is, you know, forty feet away
instead of one hundred yards away. So you know it,
it just makes it a little bit more homie and stuff,
and you know, you can just say how to your neighbors,
and it's just different. I mean the girls have had
especially the Quints. The Quints have had friends over every
(08:59):
single which they're here right now, right on the other
side of this wall.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, it was nine thirty this morning. Oh I'm frontier,
you bring them on in. I'm like, I love it.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Though, like I realized really quickly that I need to
get it. I need to install a ring camera or
a doorbell video camera on the south because now my
office is upstairs instead of being right.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Inside see what's going on down there.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
In my old office, it was literally right adjacent to
the front door, which when somebody would come and ring
the doorbell or knock on the door, it's like, oh,
I can just look over and see who it is.
But now I have to get up from my desk,
walk downstairs, look and it's just a pain. And sometimes
it's like four times in a matter of thirty minutes
with little girls coming over and ask if the Quints
(09:42):
can play.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
The other day, I mean, Reese was here spending the night,
but there were some other kids in the house, and
I was like, Adam comes downstairs and I'm like feeding
them pizza or like whatever, and I'm like, hey, Adam,
this is I don't remember the name. This is Libby,
this is Emma, this is And he's like, okay. He
just thought I was making up names for all the kids,
and then I thought you were like a game with
Later he's like, oh wait, there are more kids here.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
It's happened before. The girls will be like role playing
or yeah, just believe playing the house or something like that,
and they'll give each other different names. And so I
walk in and I know Reese was here the Quints
from from our old house neighborhood, and she was here
to spend the night, and so I just thought that
you were telling me a new name for Reese. And
(10:27):
I was like, oh, hey, blah blah blah. And then
I'm getting something in the kitchen and I'll look up
and there's like two other girls in the house. I'm like, oh, okay,
these are new kids. We're not playing is there? Actually
they just kind of blend in with all the other
other blonde heads and the Yeah, they're like.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Literally all the same. It's been It's been really fun.
The girls are loving it for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, we walked over and met two of the neighbors.
One of the girls that has been here almost every
day playing was one of the very first girls that
the Quin's met, and we went and met there her. Yeah,
there were cool people. I mean, we're slowly but surely
like meeting neighbors and it was funny story. So I'm
walking out of the house yes or two days ago,
(11:12):
and the lady that lives right next door to us,
which I've only seen her a couple times here and there,
just coming and going, but she's never sat high. And
then she was like passing, she's inner car, and she
was passing in front of the house, and she stopped
and rolled her window down and like yelled at me.
She's like, hey, I'm sorry, I haven't said hi yet Yeah,
(11:33):
I'm just an old lady with a walker. And then
she stops for a second. She's like, oh my god,
are you Adam Busby. I just started laughing and like
threw me off because I was just walking up to
like introduce myself, and she was like, oh my god,
are you Adam Busby? And then and she's like, I
thought I saw Ava walk running down the sidewalk. I
(11:57):
was like, all the of all the kids, you thought
you saw Ava. It was just funny. Yeah. So she's like,
oh my gosh, I'm so so happy. Y'are right next door.
If you never need anything, I'm just right. I'm always at.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Home, So thank you. So I'm using my phone today
for notes.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Adam doesn't like Adam doesn't like this, but I got
to have structure like pinpoints and so I don't ramble
on and you try to have to connect the dots.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
But well, over the over the course of the last
few podcasts, we've gotten a lot of just great messages
from people talking about man like this hits close to home.
We just recently moved, or we're thinking about a move,
or we're thinking about a better a better fit for
our family, a better place to raise our family and
(12:43):
stuff like that, and so a lot of the things
that a lot of the and just been wrestling with
the change, and a lot of people have been reaching
out saying thank you so much for just this is
good timing. This has encouraged us so much, you know,
just watching your guys story play out, it's spoken to
me in this way or whatever. And so we've gotten
so many it's.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It's like moving closer and closerus.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
This is like angler backwards. But you know, I've gotten
a lot of great feedback and a lot of great
messages from people just like thanking us for just being
open and sharing our story just of obedience, just hearing
from God's direction and stuff and just following that. You know,
we've also gotten a lot of people that just don't
(13:29):
understand it. Yeah, you know whether.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
And some of it's very like why would you move
away from that house that had everything and had the
pool and the yard and the space, and why would
you move away from your sisters?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Why would you move away?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Like why would you make such a change and do
this to your kids? And it's a solid question, yeah,
And it's a question that I know that we've like
pondered ourselves. But you know, this is what we really
wanted to kind of do our best to kind of explain.
I'm sure I will ramble and hopefully Adam can take
(14:04):
the ramble and like make it clear.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But I was like, please don't.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
That's why I'm like, I gotta look at my notes.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I was like, I think we should. I think we
should talk about this and address it. But I'm just
bringing this on you right now because it's so fresh
and so new. I don't want I don't want us
to like stumble through it.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
We don't know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
We're just gathering our thoughts about answering these questions. But also,
Danielle and I leave bright And early tomorrow morning. My
parents are coming in tonight to stay with the girls,
and we're leaving bright And early in the morning to
fly to for We had mentioned like we're going away
for a little anniversary trip, and so I got to edit,
(14:46):
upload and all this stuff with the podcast. I'm like,
please don't be all over the place because it's gonna
be hard to edit this podcast and I don't have
that much time. It's okay, I don't have all day
tomorrow Tomorrow is usually my editing day where I can
just like get everything knocked out, but I don't have
that luxury. Yeah, anyway, I'd rather not do it on
(15:07):
an airplane.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
What we wanted to talk about was how how do
we explain obedience to someone who doesn't understand?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And also like.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
What what does that look like like to us? Because
a lot of people don't quite understand. Like, whenever we
talk about how do we feel we feel like God
led us to do this? We feel like God led
us or spoke to us in this way? And how
are you following that? What does that look like?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Okay, so how do you discern that it's from God?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So let's start with that. How do we when we
say that we are following in obedience and it's hard,
it's not always easy, but we know that this is
from God? Yeah, how do we discern those voices in?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
You know?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And I know that you've said like, sometimes it can
be an audible sometimes it can be a vision. Sometimes
it can be you know, God speaking through other other
people your community and over prayer in or it could
be a legit audible voice.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And I had experienced that through this season of you know,
transition to the New School, which that's very rare. That's
was the first time that ever ever happened.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Top if it's a legit audible voice, and that's like
God needing to grab you by the back of the
head and say, hey, I'm trying to get your attention,
you know, So that doesn't happen very often. The people
that I've spoke with that have like heard from God
and you know, very astute, very prominent figures in faith
(16:49):
that we follow and stuff like that. I mean one
person in particular that you know, we look to for
a lot of just wisdom and stuff like that. He's like, man,
you know, in my forty years of ministry, that's probably
happened to me twice. So it's not that's not something
that has a very common occurrence. God speaks to us
(17:11):
in other ways.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, And you know so Scripture in John ten twenty
seven says, my sheep listen to my voice. I know
them and they follow me. If I can say, how
do we know that? Voices from God? So take this
analogy of Adam and I are parents to our six girls.
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If our six girls hear our voice over some other adult,
they know it's our voice.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
There's going to be a comfort level in there. There's
going to be a I trust.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
You level in there, and I'll follow you because you're
my parent.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Right And we would never put our kids in danger.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yes, yes, and so there's a love behind all all
things that we would speak and say to our children.
But what I'm getting at is that your kids know
your voice. There is a different, distinct voice, whether the
voice that you hear can be from prayer, from your community,
(18:15):
from church services, or podcasts that you're listening to. Like
God can have his voice not always audible, but can
be in a vision, so like that's the Holy Spirit.
It can be seen to you as you interpret that
as from God. Okay, So just as your kids can
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know the difference that this is your voice versus someone else.
This is kind of how I would say, we know
this is from God because it's outside of us. But
it's a peace and a trust that we instantly know.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, right, And it's a piece you know, the Bible
talks about a piece that passes all understanding. If God
is speaking to you and he's revealing something to you,
you know there is it's going to be accompanied by
an overwhelming amount of peace about and and just clarity
(19:09):
of oh yeah, and this is the way God is,
you know. And I've talked about this before, like God
just like shining a light to the next step that
you need to take. And it's like so clear because
it's a it's a bright light and shining that next step.
And sometimes he may just give you that next step
to just to see if you'll take it. Yeah, and
then and it's hard.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I mean sometimes it's hard, especially for my instincts as
like someone who lights control. It's been a whole long
process of trying to let go of what do I
want to do and think and think what's best versus okay,
really taking the time to like listen and listen and
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be in the moment. And sometimes that is a quiet,
still moment, and sometimes it's an overwhelming sense of a
peace or some something happens, as we talked about in
our past stories earlier on the podcast about you know,
finding out we're pregnant with the quins and being told
that we need to reduce down to twins and how
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do you do that? And it's not something I ever
wanted to do, and you know, us having to really say.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Okay, God, what do we do? How do we do this?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And you know, you can go back and listen to
the earlier episodes in the podcast to really feel the
deaftness of these stories. But in that moment, as we
call it on forty five, there was an overwhelming sense
of peace. And there's no way to explain that except
it just felt right. It felt right, and you felt protected,
(20:47):
and you felt comforted, and you felt loved, and you
just and just felt like there was no other option
but this, because that's what we were flooded with was
we know this is from God because the amount of
peace that we felt with a hard decision to make,
and I relay that into this whole season of moving
(21:08):
and the questions that a lot of you know, some
of the followers have that are like, why would you
leave something that was so good? Because it's not about
it's not about the pool, It's not about what we
had there and what we have there. It's about the family.
The family. You know, when we think of eternity and
(21:29):
life and what are what are we.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
All doing here? We can't take.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Those things to heaven with us. I want nothing more
than to see my family and the people around in
heaven in eternity. Right, I can't take this plant, I
can't take my favorite pair of shoes, but like I
can't take this pool in this house. I can't take
all these worldly things. It's and that, yes, we get
(21:54):
so strung up in like things we like and hobbies
and all this and that, but like when it really
comes down to it, what really is important? And this
was one of those decisions. Like, man, we're feeling like
we're feeling like God wants a change for us. We
don't really know, but like, and it's been a journey
and it just slowly, slowly trying to like pray about
(22:16):
it and ask for prayer and be vulnerable with our
close circle, and like looking in scripture of how to
be obedient, how to follow God and how to listen.
It takes practice, just like you would with any other
thing that you're going to learn new and try to
be good at or try to understand in anything you do.
(22:37):
It takes practice to learn how to be obedient and
how to hear and receive was this from God? Or
was this me right? Communication? And just not always been
easy to even have Adam and Eye two different heads
(22:58):
of like how we says how we think and how
we communicate, and you know, it's a big struggle between us.
But sometimes when I can feel so strong about this
is from God and it might take a.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Little bit more.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I haven't heard that yet.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
He hasn't heard that yet.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
So we have to talk about that, because like we
want to be together on what is God saying for
us for? And I think that can also to be
different gifts that one can carry more stronger than the
other as far as like discernment and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
I think that I can discern a little.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Bit quicker than you can also, but doesn't mean that
I'm making its decisions.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Daniel also has the spiritual gift of gifting of faith yea,
And so it comes very natural to her and very
easy for her because that's where she her gift lies
is in faith. And so you know, whenever God says
move or God says jump, there's open and acts on
(24:03):
it and and so.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
It's still but don't get me wrong, it's not always easy.
It's not always easy. Like this was a big life change,
but I was so I would say it was one
of the easier decisions to make because it felt right
and like I go back and say this, you know,
in times.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Of careers or work, or I can look.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Back and say, like me, and I really do think
that that was me controlling the situation and that's why
X y Z happened or or it didn't really prosper
the way that I thought because it wasn't God's timing.
It wasn't I was trying to like lead that and
not let him lead that season of life in a sense,
So you know, trying to understand, trying to explain these
(24:53):
feelings of like how do you how are you obedient?
And what does that feel like? How would you explain it?
As you you know, because I you say that I
have gift of faith, and so like I'm it comes
easier to me, and so I can tune in and
discern a lot quicker and can feel that, which is
(25:14):
very funny because I'm not a very filly person, but
I am with the spirit. So but that's taken a
lot of practice too, and I feel like I feel
like I feel feel differently when I'm focusing on that,
which therefore, in a sense inspires.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Me to keep going.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah. Right, So it's like I like, just yes, and
like now if I look at like our move. I'm like,
we're here and like I've already seen like little fruits
God winks, we said, and we've been in here for
a week, like there's just been I mean, it's it's
just so different, you know, and it's only twenty thirty
minutes away?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, And how how would we do that? Why would
we do that? Because this is what God wants and
we really do trust and believe that, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, because like a lot of a lot of people
will say, well, why did you completely uproot and you're
only like twenty to thirty minutes away. I mean it's difference.
It's a good thirty minutes. But I mean it's a
completely different town, completely different community dynamic, completely different, just
like community structure around us. And so there's a lot
of factors that aren't in play whenever it comes to
(26:28):
just like location. I mean, there's so many other things
that carried weight in that decision. But also you know,
if God said I want you to move the next
neighborhood over, okay, well so be it. Yeah, so we'll go. Yeah,
And so I feel like God orchestrates obviously it takes
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us to be open and to be close. I mean,
God wants us to draw near to him, and he'll
draw near to us and like he wants us like
he's you know, if you look at what is that
that painting? Is it in the six sixteenth Chapel where
God's like reaching out to like Adam and God has
his hands stretched out. It's like God's always like reaching
(27:13):
for us and like wanting to guide us and like
carry us through something. But if you look closely the
way that they depicted that in the painting, Adam's hand,
his fingers are like curled back because he's not doing
what he should in that moment and he's and it's
like a beautiful representation of like us, like it calls it.
(27:36):
It requires us to draw near and if we're not
close with God, like close in our walk, reading our Bible,
spending time just in prayer and not just in prayer,
like just talking to God, like sometimes God just wants
you to be quiet so that he can speak, like
shut up so I can talk to you, you know,
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in a sense.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And that is a whole I remember a couple of
years ago going through like Women's Retreat, and that was
one of the things that we have practiced and we
did a book over the summer and it was about
how to be still and silent with God. And it
was starting and having two minutes of solid quietness, no disturbance,
(28:20):
which you sit for fifteen seconds with no noise with
your eyes closed. It's hard, So, I mean, it's hard,
but there is a.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Lot of distructions out there.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
There's a lot of distractions, a lot of distractions, but
it's so it's so nice when you can get yourself
to just be still, be still. And that's what God's
been telling me for you know, about two years now,
Like be still, Danielle, be still, be still, be still.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I've noticed the biggest seasons in my life. And a
lot of people make fun of me for saying seasons.
But times in my life that I have had the
most anxiety and worry and fear, or those times where
my walk with crisis, like I'm not close, like I'm
(29:11):
not reading my Bible like I should, I'm not spending
time just in prayer or just meditating on Like God,
what do you have for me? You know, in order
to give me wisdom or direction or guidance. And I
can look back at the past and see that like
man in that season when I was dealing with this
(29:32):
time of just anxiety and worry. Where was I with
my walk with Christ? And it directly correlates to just
distance and so drawing near to God, like he draws
near to us, and you know, he's near to us,
and especially like in when we're broken hearted, like he's closer.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, and so good, Like I mean, I have seen
God heal anxiety, seen God heal depression through you know.
I mean I ran into a friend the other day
and she has just had major life trauma and she
spoke about it. She lived she has lived with years
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and years of just like abundance amount of anxiety, and
she is an amazing Christian woman and she talked about
she shared a little bit about like how she went
through this process and whatnot and spiritual thing with trying
to allow and accept God to heal her.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
And she.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Has zero anxiety, alpha medication, all the things, and she's
like it is like a completely different life. She's a
mom's got four kids, married, you know, and is a
because I remember this, I mean from fourteen years ago.
Like she has been struggling this for so long and
God heals and so I believe that I've lived that,
(31:02):
I have walked it. I've been in close proximity with family, friends,
and community. That God heals, He heals the broken hearted,
he heals the hurting, he heals the suffering, he heals
the sick, and he still does this today and he
can still do this for you. But I love what
we were talking about at church this past week about
(31:24):
you know, God is always with us, and Brian's analogy
of like the boating and you know, God is the dock,
the doc is firm, and you were in the boat
on this unsteady water, right, and someone throws the rope
out to you. You have to pull yourself closer to God.
He's not gonna the Doc's not going to come to you.
(31:48):
You have to go to the dock the boat, right.
And so I love that, like God is there for you,
but you have to be willing to pull yourself into him,
allow yourself to have quietness, allow yourself to read scripture.
And it's some scripture still to this day, I have
(32:08):
a hard time interpreting and understanding it. And that's where
you know, there's different forms of like forms, there's different
versions of scripture like the Bible and stuff and King
James would not recommend start reading that because I don't
understand what he's saying. But I love the Bible that
I just recently got a new living translation application Study Bible. Oh,
(32:33):
like it's like and I'm not a reader. I love
reading that thing because it makes sense to me. Yeah,
there's just so good.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
So there's a couple John and Lisa Bevie. They will
have like a very in depth discussion about certain topics
in the Bible, but they always they do it so much.
They'll reference there's a version of the Bible, a translation
called the Message, and they'll reference the Message a lot
just because it's so real world language like right now
(33:07):
that allows people to be able to like understand what
it's talking about. So they'll a lot of times, you know,
they'll talk about a subject and then they'll reference a
verse in the Bible, but then also bring in the
message that is a little bit more applicable to like
our tone and our voice right now this day.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Like there's those reels and stuff about like the uh,
what do you call the the teen talk?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
How the teens talk?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Like risk?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, have you seen those reels on Instagram whatever where
it's like the pastors wherever they're going in saying the
scripture in the way that the teens talk today.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
It's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
But I mean also it takes an immense amount of trust.
And just like trust in God, I mean, there's a
lot of things that happen in our lives that we
will not know the answers to on this side of heaven,
and you know, whether it's good or bad or I
feel like God is constantly orchestrating things in our lives
or allowing things to happen in our lives that we
(34:09):
don't understand why. You know, say you have, you know,
a death of a loved one or something, and you
just you have an immense amount of hurt by it
and you don't know why and causes you to distance
yourself from from God, thinking that God did this to me,
and that is could be furthest from the truth. Like God,
(34:30):
God brings good gifts, yes, yeah, you know, all good
things come from above. And you know, people that are
out there that are struggling with like you know, a
child that passed away or something like that, they're like, well,
God wasn't here for me for this. I mean, there's
some things that we're never going to understand on this
(34:52):
side of heaven, but things can come from that. Situations
in our life can come from that. Could be years
down the lad road where God gets your attention on
something and either reveal something or a door opens or
something like that. And so I know there's a lot
of people out there that are struggling with like, you know,
(35:13):
this happened, or wanting to blame God for something. God
is not a god of like hurt or pain or
allowing you know, like a death. I mean like, hey,
we have a very real and present enemy on this
world that is wreaking havoc on things and orchestrating things
and I mean nothing, and he's seeking to steal, kill
(35:34):
and destroy and his only mission is for you to
doubt God and for you to pull you away from God.
Danielle was talking about, you know, I believe that God
will heal, and yes he will, but sometimes it just
doesn't happen. You know, you just got to have that
mindset of like God, he wants you to draw nearer
and he wants you to be close, and he wants
(35:56):
the best for you. But something sometimes it doesn't always out,
and you know, you just have to have faith that
there's a there's a bigger purpose, there's a greater purpose,
and some things will just never understand. And so like
I feel for the people that like, oh, this didn't happen,
just didn't come through God, didn't heal me. It's hard
to have an answer for that. Yeah, but you know,
(36:20):
we have faith.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
But I believe that that is purposeful for whatever was
the will be done.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
It's purposeful. It's just sometimes our human nature.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It's hard for us understanding. It's hard for.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Us to understand in the way that they do right,
especially if they don't happen the way that we want
them to.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
So even in a.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Small like whenever whenever Satan did enter this world, I mean,
so did death and sin and destruction and disease and
all these things. Until you know that final battle where
God casts them out and back into hell, you know
those things will be here, you know, and he's freaking
have it on the world and he's his sole focus
(37:02):
is to is to pull you away, pull you away
from drawing to God and running to God in those situations, and.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
So yeah, and sometimes I mean it's hard, So like
if I look at you know, us wanting to feeling
that we knew we were going to be over here
in this town, and we had that house and it
just felt right.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, I wanted it to work, and then like last minute,
it didn't, and it was like, man, that was crushing,
And so it was hard to be like, man, did
we seek too strongly for that specific place? Did we
what we're like, what were we doing? What was I
maybe possibly trying to control and make that happen? And
(37:48):
it wasn't the will of God? Yeah, you know, and
so I trust and I see that that rejection was protection,
which I loved that phrase.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I shared the podcast or two again.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
And here we are over here, and I'm just like, man,
I'm just so thankful that that house didn't work out. Yeah,
you know, And though we're in a situation where we're
like here in a temporary face for however long, But
that's okay because it's been so good here and.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
We're going to look back maybe two years from now,
because like I mean, right now, we have a you know,
we signed a lease on this house for a year.
I mean, we may be here right at that or
maybe a little bit, who knows, but you know, he may,
you know, we may be looking back two years later
at this perfect house in the perfect location and stuff
(38:39):
and realize, oh, it was all because of this. You know,
he had this for us and he wanted us to wait,
and so you know, we we try to look at
you know, these rejections and stuff as protection and a
blessing and a blessing in disguise sometimes. But you know,
going back of you know, hearing from God and stuff,
(39:03):
and like what does that look like to me? Uh,
just just in the past and the things that you know,
I felt at times where like I've heard from God
and stuff. And I remember very distinctly back whenever we
were going through so much trying to get pregnant with
our first daughter get pregnant with now Blake. I mean,
(39:26):
it took us years of going through infertility stuff and
me going to getting test doing testing and trying different
drugs and stuff like that, and then waiting two months
and and then Danielle doing the same thing, and it
went on and on and on for years to the
point where I mean you just get beat down and
like you just get consumed of is is just this
(39:51):
is just not going to happen, or you know, it
builds like this wall and this frustration between us, and
like all this stuff starts building and building. And it
was just one night, very clearly, I was waking up
like in a dream and I saw Danielle and I
and a little girl and I was just feeled with
(40:13):
this like overwhelming amount of just peace about just trust me.
And that was right about the time that we just
stopped and we focused on you know, like, Okay, God,
like what do you have for us right now? What
do you what do you want us involved in? What
do you want us to do? Where do you want
(40:33):
us to put our our attention right now? And that's
whenever we kind of moved into high school ministry for
a little bit and just focused on that, and we
stopped trying going through all the fertility stuff, and we
just took a break. And then God spoke to you
one day through that season of just like out of
(40:55):
the blue and do it and said okay, like it's time. Yeah,
and she Danielle told me, Okay, it's time. I think
we need to like let's try one more time or
let's try, and like I just feel good about it.
And then boom, within like two months, like we were pregnant. Yeah,
(41:16):
it was that very that very first time we were
pregnant with Blake, and you know, just God wanting us
to draw near to him and focus on him and
being obedient to him through that time, and you know,
He immensely blessed us through that and we were able
to have Blake, and and.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
It's so it's so hot, Like I think Adam and
I could go story after story of all the blessings
that we have been poured out onto from God by
being obedient. But there's also time after time where we
(41:59):
still struggle and we still have a hard time, you know,
with things because there's so much distraction. And you know,
I say this a lot where I'm like I just
want to take us and just like just remove us
from all of this, like all of this nastiness in
the world. You know, like let's just move, you know,
(42:20):
not not saying like let's move to the island or whatever,
but you know what I mean, like move away from
all the things that are distracting. And like, yes, there's
a lot of like our world today that we live
in as far as like you know, business and stuff
where it's you're listening to a form of social media
and like that's a lot of things that we do
(42:41):
and how do we utilize that for business and to
support our family and stuff. But there's so much bad
that comes from it too, And so raising kids, how
do you want to raise your kids to adapt? But
let them know that me and like, that's not important.
(43:01):
There's a lot of things that are just not important.
And I think as I look back at those times,
you know, I guess I was saying that to say,
like we can talk blessing after blessing and stories after
stories of like when we are obedient, but we still today,
Still we're not perfect and will never be and we
know that, we know the good that comes from being obedient,
(43:23):
but it's still very hard to be obedient. Yeah, because
we're selfish, we're needy, we want our own ways, we
like control, and we want to do things our ways.
And sometimes that is what is crippling us, is our
own self. You know, we're crippling our own selves. So
I guess for you know, like just encouragement. I think
(43:43):
what has helped us to stay on track with being
obedient is really having that close circle of christ centered
friendships where we can say, man, this is hard. I
feel like God's telling us something. Adam doesn't get it yet,
but I feel so. I feel like God has spoke
(44:05):
to me and we need prayer. We need prayer so
that we can align and make sure this is from God.
And just that is like the power of prayer is
so powerful and I believe in that, and I've seen
the works of that, and I mean weird testament to prayer,
(44:26):
like living through people praying for us when we had
no control over anything, you know, with the quintuplets and
the nick you and the blessings that came from all
of that.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
But like I said, even so, just like the provision
and the protection that God brings us.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Obviously having is a heavenly Father for sure, and.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Having a TV show on secular television for ten years,
you get attacked from all sides, and it feels sometimes
it feels like the world is like completely rooting against you.
And you know, people are constantly out after you because
they see a marriage and they've seen things that have
(45:08):
happened in the past with other people in our position,
and they're like, ya are never going to last. But
they see but we see that, and I feel like,
you know, this is one of those things of like
God using us as an example to show other people
because Daniel and I could not be any more opposite.
And then we've gone through ten years of just being
(45:31):
in the public eye and just getting criticism and scrutiny
on every single front. And here we are today because
just celebrating and He's carried us through and you know,
this weekend we're going to be celebrating our nineteenth wedding anniversary.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
And I want and I and I've said that from
the beginning, Like I think we both handle commentary to
our lives very differently, differently for sure, very differently. I
like what we're doing right now in saying we're actually
answering the questions of the people who don't understand.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
And I like that bit of I love.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
The support in the community that we have around people
who walk.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
With us and like know who God is.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
But I also love the fact that there's people who
are still coming and asking questions, are skeptical and saying like,
I don't know why you do that, Well, let us
try to explain it and it might and you know,
just for that hope of something we might have said
today that would help one of you something click and
(46:40):
say Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
And to me that's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
It's it's not about there's going to be always so
much negativity and so much destruction, especially public figures coming
towards us. But a lot of that to me, Adam
will get worked up about it and want to fight,
but I'll always I also see like, oh, that's it.
There's a challenge right there. I see what can we
(47:06):
do in this situation, like kind of what we're doing today,
Like let's see what are the people who don't know
what we know? How can we better teach that? And
how can we better talk about that? And you know,
and there's a hard topic.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Obviously, there's a big difference between like somebody coming you know,
from and behind the position of just like like wonder
and just doesn't really understand and maybe ask like a
legitimate question about like what does that mean? I don't.
I don't understand it, or in my point of view
(47:39):
right now, I don't I necessarily agree with maybe a
decision that you've made, but I don't because I don't
know what that looks like. I don't know what like
hearing from God looks like. But then obviously there's the
other side of it, and you know people that either
or unbelievers or something like that, they just think we're
(48:02):
lunatics and and think we're just dumb, and they just
want to attack. And you know, obviously that's not from God.
And you know, those people just want to attack and
they just want to fight, and they want you to
they want a response, and I mean sometimes I give
it back. Sometimes I'll just like kind of ignore it.
(48:24):
But sometimes I'm just in a mood. I want to fight.
It's fun to me sometimes. But if I have, if
I have a fifteen or twenty minutes to like engage
with somebody, like, oh, I'll poke the bear sometimes. But
it's it's all in good fun for me. Like it's
not really rattling me that much. It's just like, okay,
(48:47):
well this is why. But so but there's there's also
been you know, I gave like one or two examples
of like times that we've heard from God. But you know,
all through the tuplet pregnancy and through different aspects of
you know, trying to get pregnant with the clintuplets, and
then the revelations that God has given us through you know,
(49:09):
the fear of the things that the doctors have said
to Danielle. You know He's spoken to us, you know,
in those ways, He's spoken to us through people in
those times, in our times in the Nicku, whenever the
kids were in the nicu, and you know, the times
and the peace that God has given us and and
the red relations that He's given us through those moments
(49:30):
of things are going to be fine, You're going to
be okay. I've got you, and you just feel I mean,
you feel the presence of God.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
And in that peacefulfilling is.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Because it's because what the Bible says is surpasses all understanding.
It's so hard to explain unless you have felt it before.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
And I want everyone to experience that because it's it's
like magical in a way, because it's like I don't
even know. It's so hard to explain because and this
has happened to me a couple of times where this
overwhelming sense of peace has taken over and it's just
this complete love of comfort and you just feel protected
(50:21):
and you know this is it. And you know, obedience.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Is hard.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
It's hard, but it's not about control. It's really about trust.
So trusting in us part of my life. Oh, trusting
is hard. Life story I think I've talked about it
a little bit, but you just you don't have to
(50:50):
know the whole plane. You just need to be able
to take a faithful step forward and that comes with
just trusting. Trusting, like you said, like there's this one spotlight,
I'm just gonna go there, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
So sometimes God just wants us to take that next
step just to see if you'll be obedient in it,
and then he'll shine a light to the next So
a lot of sometimes it could just be like a test,
like hey, are you going to take this stuff? Like
I want you to go here, but I'm not going
to show you that yet. I'm going to show you
this and what's right in front of you. Just take
(51:23):
the step and then I'm going to reveal something then.
You know, sometimes in our life, like we don't get
the full picture. We just get that next step. Yeah,
and he wants to see if you'll take it. And
you know a lot of times I mean that through
this journey, when I follow that step, coming to the
realization of closing down the store, we're going to sell
(51:46):
the house, we need to move away. I feel like
through that season, like God's been showing like Okay, take
this step, take this step, let's say, and we're.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Like what what God?
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah, this was all these steps were not taken lightly.
Like there was a lot of you know, we know
we need to do this, we feel we need to
do this, we know you're calling us to do this.
We want to be obedient. And nothing happened overnight. Guys,
it's been months and months of understanding what is the
(52:18):
obedient path that we need to take. Some people's stories
things can happen in you know, a miracle overnight, and
some people's it takes time, it takes years. I mean,
if you look at like Abraham and Sarah when what
was she like ninety hundred years old? He's like, you're
gonna have a baby, It's like, okay, my wife's old
and they did. So timing is not like our time
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is not the same as when it comes to God's timing.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
And so.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
I just want to say, like, you know, we we
thank you for listening, and we are very thankful that
above all the things that we've gone through in life,
that we are here today to be able to like witness,
to share and to hopefully help some of you grow
a little bit closer into understanding like your walk and
what that might look like in today's episode of like
(53:10):
what does obedience look like? And how did we experience obedience?
And I really do hope that's something through here because
it's kind of hard to talk about because you don't
really know how to explain.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
It's hard to fully explain unless you've felt it, unless
you've lived it, unless you've.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
But there's fruits, there's, like I can tell you in
stories of like when we are being obedient and following
the path that God, we feel God is shining the
light on, there's so much fruits that come from that.
But when we sidetrack and go off on our own self,
there's destruction. There's a lot of hard things. There's a
lot of brokenness, there's a lot of hurt, like when
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we try to step away from that and it's.
Speaker 4 (53:50):
Like, man, I don't want that. I don't want that fight.
I don't want that struggle.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Like God, bring me, bring me this way, bring me
this way, keep me aligned with scripture, keep me in
ligne with with my you know, focus on you, because
when I think of that first and do that first,
all things fall in the pieces, you know, And that's
it's true. Just I just want to say it's true.
You follow the right path, it will lead to joy.
(54:18):
You follow the wrong path, the darkness, it's going to
lead to destruction.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
You know. So thank y'all for listening.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
And yeah, we hope that God's use some of our
words to touch you today and that might bring a
little bit closer, a little bit more questioning of what
else do you want to know from us.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
And how can we help? So thanks for listening.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah, thank you guys for listening to episode forty three
More Than Reality Podcast, and we will see you in
the next one.
Speaker 4 (54:51):
And take that step even if it's hard.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Ye, Love you guys, all right, Love you guys.
This is More Than Reality podcast where we dive into
all things faith, family, and marriage and share that there
is so much more than the reality that you see
on the surface. Welcome to More Than Reality with Adam
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What's up Hello, We're still in the news space. This
is More Than Reality Podcast with Adam and.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Danielle Busby and guys. Adam loves gadgets and we have
new headphones. He hates the big air puff headphones and
I like him.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's not that I hate him, it's just I don't know,
it's just not necessary.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
And I feel like I'm wearing a headband, and then if,
like my hair is dirty, I feel like it covers
up some of it. So now I have to be
more cautious about what my hair looks like and everything.
But these are theingse are more comfortable, and I guess
you can see, like if I have earrings on and stuff,
because those other ones always covered up, and like I'm
an earring person, fell naked without earrings, and I have
all kind of different rings on today because I'm so
(01:13):
inflamed and swollen, I can't fit any of my jewelry
on my fingers.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So these are all of.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
My All the moving got Danielle's inflammation up, Yeah, big time.
She had to go to Oh but this is episode
forty three, by the way. Oh but yeah, this week
you had to go to the doctor. Yeah, she's got
a band aid on her knee. She had Danielle had
(01:38):
a bunch of fluid taken out of her knee. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I mean ever since I had carried the quintuplets, one
of the things that my body suffered with was losing
a lot of cartilage in my joints just with the
weight in the impact of carrying quintuplets. So I had
knee surgery. I don't know, like maybe like a year
and a half after having them, Like I remember them.
(02:04):
Their mobile were in the Moldi home, which was we
didn't know was Mouldy home at the time.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
But I want to.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Say that they were like maybe a year old or
nine ten months old maybe something like that. I don't remember,
but I know I had knee surgery, had torminiscus and
like eleven centimeters of cartilage just floating around cause and
so basically now I have like arthritis in that knee
because I just rubbed joint to joint and it fills
up with fluid and it's just it's just ultra painful.
(02:33):
And so I haven't done anything to it because when
we switched insurance a while back, I need it to
be like a year of no treatment for preexisting or something.
And then that led to oh I forgot, Oh I forgot.
But I just live in pain, and I'm like whatever,
I'm just deal with it. During this move, I was like,
I can't, like I can't barely walk, and there's so
(02:53):
much we gotta do.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I gotta go get done, something done to it.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So luckily we have friends in hype places. I have
a very close friend of ours owns a big medical practice. Yeah,
so you need to come to the office. Yeah, So
that was we'll take care of that.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I was like, this is amazing, bullow that flew it
out and then put me some gel, you.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Know, put me some cartilage in there.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So that's what it was. It wasn't like a cortizone shot.
They like put gel in there and like cushion it.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, and I've done that in the past before, but
I hadn't done that in a long time, in years,
and so it's just been so bad, and you could
just see, like my knee it looks like an old
person's I call it my fat knee, a fat knee.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I do it's it looks like a completely different leg
to me.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
But anyway, so, yeah, my leg is feeling better, my
knee is feeling better. And he said, yesterday, make sure
just take it easy since we did some you know,
work to it. And I got home in like seven
thirty last night, and I'm like, uh, I didn't really
take it easy today, just not getting home.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Well, it's just it goes back to like all the
times whenever the coins were babies.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, likely he never recovered carrying multiple kids up and down,
up and down, up and down the stairs all day long. Yeah,
and then in the car and then here we are.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
We're in the middle of a move. It's a two
story house. Been moving stuff up and downstairs. I know
the other day you were like from house. I remember
going back, but my knee really feels like it's just
about to break. Like my knee feels like it's about
to break. Yeah. So and you don't really know, like
I don't know what that feels like, but.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Had like instant really, I mean, it keeps me up
at night like I can't. I can't sleep because it
hasn't been in so much pain. I have to move
constantly and adjust it. But I had instant relief just
with the fluid coming out of it. But it takes,
you know, a day or two for four forty eight
seventy two hours for that jail to really like kind
(04:59):
of coat the joint and not really feel that pain anymore.
But it feels feels a whole lot better, even though
it's still kind of achey right now.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I bet it feels a lot better after getting all
that fluid out helps a lot. Daniel sent me a
photo of the syringe, like, I mean, it was like
this big around if you're watching on YouTube, it was
like this big around and it was full.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And I've had two full ones of those pulled out
money before.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Yeah, this is like one in like a quarter of
another one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
He's like, you're too young to have this much fluid.
I'm like, yeah, welcome to my life.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
You try having quints, A lot of weird stuff happens
to you.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, And you know, it's one of those things that
like it's something that like, you know, would this have
happened in my life.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
If I didn't carry the quints, I don't know image
happened a lot sooner.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, And it's one of those things that even though
I you know, have a lot of hell struggles and
like pains and my joints in my back, a lot
of that is because of carrying babies and stuff, and
so it's something like it's hard to complain about because
it reminds me how blessed I am in a way
(06:14):
to be able to like have the life with the girls.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
And so the pain is just worth it.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
It's just the gift.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
We'll call the pain a gift, yeah, but I mean
it is. It's a constant reminder to this is worth it,
and I'm going to live with this pain and it's fine.
I mean, it's fine, but it's a suffering that we
all in theory, we all are sinners in a way,
and so I'm kind of like trying to relay that
to that we all live in sin but to remind
(06:45):
us we need Jesus, right, And so this is my
whenever I'm going all the things in my head right now,
but it is just a reminder to me that like
my pain, it doesn't connect to you.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Connects in my head. I'm just not saying it.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
What's Jesus? Is it Doug jail or is it him
removing the sin which is your fluid?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I haven't thought that far yet. It just was making
sense in my head. But you know, you know sometimes
things I don't say it outright. So we're just let's
move on.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Trying to connect the dots here. I'm trying to track.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I know it was tracking to me, but you know,
got a little conjamed in.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
There, condemned yep added to the board.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Then I think that's already on the board. Actually, I
say that one a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I mean this week, obviously, we're still we've still been
moving stuff around and trying to organize a house, and
we're still waiting on a lot of pieces of furniture
to come in so that we can organize. And so
I mean there's still stuff in boxes everywhere and.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
In close everywhere because we don't have rooms.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is the worst. Everything's just already.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Have a bed and a nightstand with no dressers. The
closet's a lot smaller, but whatever, whatever, it's fine, it's good.
It's a cozy home.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It is. We still I mean, I love and I
mentioned it on the last week's podcast. I just I
missed that neighborhood feel like it is here. I mean,
obviously the houses are a lot closer together, and so
you just have that neighborhood feel like you walk outside
(08:35):
and like your neighbor is, you know, forty feet away
instead of one hundred yards away. So you know it,
it just makes it a little bit more homie and stuff,
and you know, you can just say how to your neighbors,
and it's just different. I mean the girls have had
especially the Quints. The Quints have had friends over every
(08:59):
single which they're here right now, right on the other
side of this wall.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yeah, it was nine thirty this morning. Oh I'm frontier,
you bring them on in. I'm like, I love it.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Though, like I realized really quickly that I need to
get it. I need to install a ring camera or
a doorbell video camera on the south because now my
office is upstairs instead of being right.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Inside see what's going on down there.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
In my old office, it was literally right adjacent to
the front door, which when somebody would come and ring
the doorbell or knock on the door, it's like, oh,
I can just look over and see who it is.
But now I have to get up from my desk,
walk downstairs, look and it's just a pain. And sometimes
it's like four times in a matter of thirty minutes
with little girls coming over and ask if the Quints
(09:42):
can play.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
The other day, I mean, Reese was here spending the night,
but there were some other kids in the house, and
I was like, Adam comes downstairs and I'm like feeding
them pizza or like whatever, and I'm like, hey, Adam,
this is I don't remember the name. This is Libby,
this is Emma, this is And he's like, okay. He
just thought I was making up names for all the kids,
and then I thought you were like a game with
Later he's like, oh wait, there are more kids here.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
It's happened before. The girls will be like role playing
or yeah, just believe playing the house or something like that,
and they'll give each other different names. And so I
walk in and I know Reese was here the Quints
from from our old house neighborhood, and she was here
to spend the night, and so I just thought that
you were telling me a new name for Reese. And
(10:27):
I was like, oh, hey, blah blah blah. And then
I'm getting something in the kitchen and I'll look up
and there's like two other girls in the house. I'm like, oh, okay,
these are new kids. We're not playing is there? Actually
they just kind of blend in with all the other
other blonde heads and the Yeah, they're like.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Literally all the same. It's been It's been really fun.
The girls are loving it for sure.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, we walked over and met two of the neighbors.
One of the girls that has been here almost every
day playing was one of the very first girls that
the Quin's met, and we went and met there her. Yeah,
there were cool people. I mean, we're slowly but surely
like meeting neighbors and it was funny story. So I'm
walking out of the house yes or two days ago,
(11:12):
and the lady that lives right next door to us,
which I've only seen her a couple times here and there,
just coming and going, but she's never sat high. And
then she was like passing, she's inner car, and she
was passing in front of the house, and she stopped
and rolled her window down and like yelled at me.
She's like, hey, I'm sorry, I haven't said hi yet Yeah,
(11:33):
I'm just an old lady with a walker. And then
she stops for a second. She's like, oh my god,
are you Adam Busby. I just started laughing and like
threw me off because I was just walking up to
like introduce myself, and she was like, oh my god,
are you Adam Busby? And then and she's like, I
thought I saw Ava walk running down the sidewalk. I
(11:57):
was like, all the of all the kids, you thought
you saw Ava. It was just funny. Yeah. So she's like,
oh my gosh, I'm so so happy. Y'are right next door.
If you never need anything, I'm just right. I'm always at.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Home, So thank you. So I'm using my phone today
for notes.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Adam doesn't like Adam doesn't like this, but I got
to have structure like pinpoints and so I don't ramble
on and you try to have to connect the dots.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
But well, over the over the course of the last
few podcasts, we've gotten a lot of just great messages
from people talking about man like this hits close to home.
We just recently moved, or we're thinking about a move,
or we're thinking about a better a better fit for
our family, a better place to raise our family and
(12:43):
stuff like that, and so a lot of the things
that a lot of the and just been wrestling with
the change, and a lot of people have been reaching
out saying thank you so much for just this is
good timing. This has encouraged us so much, you know,
just watching your guys story play out, it's spoken to
me in this way or whatever. And so we've gotten
so many it's.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It's like moving closer and closerus.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
This is like angler backwards. But you know, I've gotten
a lot of great feedback and a lot of great
messages from people just like thanking us for just being
open and sharing our story just of obedience, just hearing
from God's direction and stuff and just following that. You know,
we've also gotten a lot of people that just don't
(13:29):
understand it. Yeah, you know whether.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
And some of it's very like why would you move
away from that house that had everything and had the
pool and the yard and the space, and why would
you move away from your sisters?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Why would you move away?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Like why would you make such a change and do
this to your kids? And it's a solid question, yeah,
And it's a question that I know that we've like
pondered ourselves. But you know, this is what we really
wanted to kind of do our best to kind of explain.
I'm sure I will ramble and hopefully Adam can take
(14:04):
the ramble and like make it clear.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But I was like, please don't.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
That's why I'm like, I gotta look at my notes.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I was like, I think we should. I think we
should talk about this and address it. But I'm just
bringing this on you right now because it's so fresh
and so new. I don't want I don't want us
to like stumble through it.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
We don't know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
We're just gathering our thoughts about answering these questions. But also,
Danielle and I leave bright And early tomorrow morning. My
parents are coming in tonight to stay with the girls,
and we're leaving bright And early in the morning to
fly to for We had mentioned like we're going away
for a little anniversary trip, and so I got to edit,
(14:46):
upload and all this stuff with the podcast. I'm like,
please don't be all over the place because it's gonna
be hard to edit this podcast and I don't have
that much time. It's okay, I don't have all day
tomorrow Tomorrow is usually my editing day where I can
just like get everything knocked out, but I don't have
that luxury. Yeah, anyway, I'd rather not do it on
(15:07):
an airplane.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
What we wanted to talk about was how how do
we explain obedience to someone who doesn't understand?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
And also like.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
What what does that look like like to us? Because
a lot of people don't quite understand. Like, whenever we
talk about how do we feel we feel like God
led us to do this? We feel like God led
us or spoke to us in this way? And how
are you following that? What does that look like?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Okay, so how do you discern that it's from God?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So let's start with that. How do we when we
say that we are following in obedience and it's hard,
it's not always easy, but we know that this is
from God? Yeah, how do we discern those voices in?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
You know?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And I know that you've said like, sometimes it can
be an audible sometimes it can be a vision. Sometimes
it can be you know, God speaking through other other
people your community and over prayer in or it could
be a legit audible voice.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And I had experienced that through this season of you know,
transition to the New School, which that's very rare. That's
was the first time that ever ever happened.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Top if it's a legit audible voice, and that's like
God needing to grab you by the back of the
head and say, hey, I'm trying to get your attention,
you know, So that doesn't happen very often. The people
that I've spoke with that have like heard from God
and you know, very astute, very prominent figures in faith
(16:49):
that we follow and stuff like that. I mean one
person in particular that you know, we look to for
a lot of just wisdom and stuff like that. He's like, man,
you know, in my forty years of ministry, that's probably
happened to me twice. So it's not that's not something
that has a very common occurrence. God speaks to us
(17:11):
in other ways.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, And you know so Scripture in John ten twenty
seven says, my sheep listen to my voice. I know
them and they follow me. If I can say, how
do we know that? Voices from God? So take this
analogy of Adam and I are parents to our six girls.
(17:34):
If our six girls hear our voice over some other adult,
they know it's our voice.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
There's going to be a comfort level in there. There's
going to be a I trust.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
You level in there, and I'll follow you because you're
my parent.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Right And we would never put our kids in danger.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yes, yes, and so there's a love behind all all
things that we would speak and say to our children.
But what I'm getting at is that your kids know
your voice. There is a different, distinct voice, whether the
voice that you hear can be from prayer, from your community,
(18:15):
from church services, or podcasts that you're listening to. Like
God can have his voice not always audible, but can
be in a vision, so like that's the Holy Spirit.
It can be seen to you as you interpret that
as from God. Okay, So just as your kids can
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know the difference that this is your voice versus someone else.
This is kind of how I would say, we know
this is from God because it's outside of us. But
it's a peace and a trust that we instantly know.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, right, And it's a piece you know, the Bible
talks about a piece that passes all understanding. If God
is speaking to you and he's revealing something to you,
you know there is it's going to be accompanied by
an overwhelming amount of peace about and and just clarity
(19:09):
of oh yeah, and this is the way God is,
you know. And I've talked about this before, like God
just like shining a light to the next step that
you need to take. And it's like so clear because
it's a it's a bright light and shining that next step.
And sometimes he may just give you that next step
to just to see if you'll take it. Yeah, and
then and it's hard.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I mean sometimes it's hard, especially for my instincts as
like someone who lights control. It's been a whole long
process of trying to let go of what do I
want to do and think and think what's best versus okay,
really taking the time to like listen and listen and
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be in the moment. And sometimes that is a quiet,
still moment, and sometimes it's an overwhelming sense of a
peace or some something happens, as we talked about in
our past stories earlier on the podcast about you know,
finding out we're pregnant with the quins and being told
that we need to reduce down to twins and how
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do you do that? And it's not something I ever
wanted to do, and you know, us having to really say.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Okay, God, what do we do? How do we do this?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
And you know, you can go back and listen to
the earlier episodes in the podcast to really feel the
deaftness of these stories. But in that moment, as we
call it on forty five, there was an overwhelming sense
of peace. And there's no way to explain that except
it just felt right. It felt right, and you felt protected,
(20:47):
and you felt comforted, and you felt loved, and you
just and just felt like there was no other option
but this, because that's what we were flooded with was
we know this is from God because the amount of
peace that we felt with a hard decision to make,
and I relay that into this whole season of moving
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and the questions that a lot of you know, some
of the followers have that are like, why would you
leave something that was so good? Because it's not about
it's not about the pool, It's not about what we
had there and what we have there. It's about the family.
The family. You know, when we think of eternity and
(21:29):
life and what are what are we.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
All doing here? We can't take.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Those things to heaven with us. I want nothing more
than to see my family and the people around in
heaven in eternity. Right, I can't take this plant, I
can't take my favorite pair of shoes, but like I
can't take this pool in this house. I can't take
all these worldly things. It's and that, yes, we get
(21:54):
so strung up in like things we like and hobbies
and all this and that, but like when it really
comes down to it, what really is important? And this
was one of those decisions. Like, man, we're feeling like
we're feeling like God wants a change for us. We
don't really know, but like, and it's been a journey
and it just slowly, slowly trying to like pray about
(22:16):
it and ask for prayer and be vulnerable with our
close circle, and like looking in scripture of how to
be obedient, how to follow God and how to listen.
It takes practice, just like you would with any other
thing that you're going to learn new and try to
be good at or try to understand in anything you do.
(22:37):
It takes practice to learn how to be obedient and
how to hear and receive was this from God? Or
was this me right? Communication? And just not always been
easy to even have Adam and Eye two different heads
(22:58):
of like how we says how we think and how
we communicate, and you know, it's a big struggle between us.
But sometimes when I can feel so strong about this
is from God and it might take a.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Little bit more.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I haven't heard that yet.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
He hasn't heard that yet.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
So we have to talk about that, because like we
want to be together on what is God saying for
us for? And I think that can also to be
different gifts that one can carry more stronger than the
other as far as like discernment and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
I think that I can discern a little.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Bit quicker than you can also, but doesn't mean that
I'm making its decisions.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Daniel also has the spiritual gift of gifting of faith yea,
And so it comes very natural to her and very
easy for her because that's where she her gift lies
is in faith. And so you know, whenever God says
move or God says jump, there's open and acts on
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it and and so.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
It's still but don't get me wrong, it's not always easy.
It's not always easy. Like this was a big life change,
but I was so I would say it was one
of the easier decisions to make because it felt right
and like I go back and say this, you know,
in times.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Of careers or work, or I can look.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Back and say, like me, and I really do think
that that was me controlling the situation and that's why
X y Z happened or or it didn't really prosper
the way that I thought because it wasn't God's timing.
It wasn't I was trying to like lead that and
not let him lead that season of life in a sense,
So you know, trying to understand, trying to explain these
(24:53):
feelings of like how do you how are you obedient?
And what does that feel like? How would you explain it?
As you you know, because I you say that I
have gift of faith, and so like I'm it comes
easier to me, and so I can tune in and
discern a lot quicker and can feel that, which is
(25:14):
very funny because I'm not a very filly person, but
I am with the spirit. So but that's taken a
lot of practice too, and I feel like I feel
like I feel feel differently when I'm focusing on that,
which therefore, in a sense inspires.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Me to keep going.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah. Right, So it's like I like, just yes, and
like now if I look at like our move. I'm like,
we're here and like I've already seen like little fruits
God winks, we said, and we've been in here for
a week, like there's just been I mean, it's it's
just so different, you know, and it's only twenty thirty
minutes away?
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yeah, And how how would we do that? Why would
we do that? Because this is what God wants and
we really do trust and believe that, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, because like a lot of a lot of people
will say, well, why did you completely uproot and you're
only like twenty to thirty minutes away. I mean it's difference.
It's a good thirty minutes. But I mean it's a
completely different town, completely different community dynamic, completely different, just
like community structure around us. And so there's a lot
of factors that aren't in play whenever it comes to
(26:28):
just like location. I mean, there's so many other things
that carried weight in that decision. But also you know,
if God said I want you to move the next
neighborhood over, okay, well so be it. Yeah, so we'll go. Yeah,
And so I feel like God orchestrates obviously it takes
(26:49):
us to be open and to be close. I mean,
God wants us to draw near to him, and he'll
draw near to us and like he wants us like
he's you know, if you look at what is that
that painting? Is it in the six sixteenth Chapel where
God's like reaching out to like Adam and God has
his hands stretched out. It's like God's always like reaching
(27:13):
for us and like wanting to guide us and like
carry us through something. But if you look closely the
way that they depicted that in the painting, Adam's hand,
his fingers are like curled back because he's not doing
what he should in that moment and he's and it's
like a beautiful representation of like us, like it calls it.
(27:36):
It requires us to draw near and if we're not
close with God, like close in our walk, reading our Bible,
spending time just in prayer and not just in prayer,
like just talking to God, like sometimes God just wants
you to be quiet so that he can speak, like
shut up so I can talk to you, you know,
(27:58):
in a sense.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
And that is a whole I remember a couple of
years ago going through like Women's Retreat, and that was
one of the things that we have practiced and we
did a book over the summer and it was about
how to be still and silent with God. And it
was starting and having two minutes of solid quietness, no disturbance,
(28:20):
which you sit for fifteen seconds with no noise with
your eyes closed. It's hard, So, I mean, it's hard,
but there is a.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Lot of distructions out there.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
There's a lot of distractions, a lot of distractions, but
it's so it's so nice when you can get yourself
to just be still, be still. And that's what God's
been telling me for you know, about two years now,
Like be still, Danielle, be still, be still, be still.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I've noticed the biggest seasons in my life. And a
lot of people make fun of me for saying seasons.
But times in my life that I have had the
most anxiety and worry and fear, or those times where
my walk with crisis, like I'm not close, like I'm
(29:11):
not reading my Bible like I should, I'm not spending
time just in prayer or just meditating on Like God,
what do you have for me? You know, in order
to give me wisdom or direction or guidance. And I
can look back at the past and see that like
man in that season when I was dealing with this
(29:32):
time of just anxiety and worry. Where was I with
my walk with Christ? And it directly correlates to just
distance and so drawing near to God, like he draws
near to us, and you know, he's near to us,
and especially like in when we're broken hearted, like he's closer.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, and so good, Like I mean, I have seen
God heal anxiety, seen God heal depression through you know.
I mean I ran into a friend the other day
and she has just had major life trauma and she
spoke about it. She lived she has lived with years
(30:15):
and years of just like abundance amount of anxiety, and
she is an amazing Christian woman and she talked about
she shared a little bit about like how she went
through this process and whatnot and spiritual thing with trying
to allow and accept God to heal her.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
And she.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Has zero anxiety, alpha medication, all the things, and she's
like it is like a completely different life. She's a
mom's got four kids, married, you know, and is a
because I remember this, I mean from fourteen years ago.
Like she has been struggling this for so long and
God heals and so I believe that I've lived that,
(31:02):
I have walked it. I've been in close proximity with family, friends,
and community. That God heals, He heals the broken hearted,
he heals the hurting, he heals the suffering, he heals
the sick, and he still does this today and he
can still do this for you. But I love what
we were talking about at church this past week about
(31:24):
you know, God is always with us, and Brian's analogy
of like the boating and you know, God is the dock,
the doc is firm, and you were in the boat
on this unsteady water, right, and someone throws the rope
out to you. You have to pull yourself closer to God.
He's not gonna the Doc's not going to come to you.
(31:48):
You have to go to the dock the boat, right.
And so I love that, like God is there for you,
but you have to be willing to pull yourself into him,
allow yourself to have quietness, allow yourself to read scripture.
And it's some scripture still to this day, I have
(32:08):
a hard time interpreting and understanding it. And that's where
you know, there's different forms of like forms, there's different
versions of scripture like the Bible and stuff and King
James would not recommend start reading that because I don't
understand what he's saying. But I love the Bible that
I just recently got a new living translation application Study Bible. Oh,
(32:33):
like it's like and I'm not a reader. I love
reading that thing because it makes sense to me. Yeah,
there's just so good.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
So there's a couple John and Lisa Bevie. They will
have like a very in depth discussion about certain topics
in the Bible, but they always they do it so much.
They'll reference there's a version of the Bible, a translation
called the Message, and they'll reference the Message a lot
just because it's so real world language like right now
(33:07):
that allows people to be able to like understand what
it's talking about. So they'll a lot of times, you know,
they'll talk about a subject and then they'll reference a
verse in the Bible, but then also bring in the
message that is a little bit more applicable to like
our tone and our voice right now this day.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Like there's those reels and stuff about like the uh,
what do you call the the teen talk?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
How the teens talk?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Like risk?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, have you seen those reels on Instagram whatever where
it's like the pastors wherever they're going in saying the
scripture in the way that the teens talk today.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
It's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
But I mean also it takes an immense amount of trust.
And just like trust in God, I mean, there's a
lot of things that happen in our lives that we
will not know the answers to on this side of heaven,
and you know, whether it's good or bad or I
feel like God is constantly orchestrating things in our lives
or allowing things to happen in our lives that we
(34:09):
don't understand why. You know, say you have, you know,
a death of a loved one or something, and you
just you have an immense amount of hurt by it
and you don't know why and causes you to distance
yourself from from God, thinking that God did this to me,
and that is could be furthest from the truth. Like God,
(34:30):
God brings good gifts, yes, yeah, you know, all good
things come from above. And you know, people that are
out there that are struggling with like you know, a
child that passed away or something like that, they're like, well,
God wasn't here for me for this. I mean, there's
some things that we're never going to understand on this
(34:52):
side of heaven, but things can come from that. Situations
in our life can come from that. Could be years
down the lad road where God gets your attention on
something and either reveal something or a door opens or
something like that. And so I know there's a lot
of people out there that are struggling with like, you know,
(35:13):
this happened, or wanting to blame God for something. God
is not a god of like hurt or pain or
allowing you know, like a death. I mean like, hey,
we have a very real and present enemy on this
world that is wreaking havoc on things and orchestrating things
and I mean nothing, and he's seeking to steal, kill
(35:34):
and destroy and his only mission is for you to
doubt God and for you to pull you away from God.
Danielle was talking about, you know, I believe that God
will heal, and yes he will, but sometimes it just
doesn't happen. You know, you just got to have that
mindset of like God, he wants you to draw nearer
and he wants you to be close, and he wants
(35:56):
the best for you. But something sometimes it doesn't always out,
and you know, you just have to have faith that
there's a there's a bigger purpose, there's a greater purpose,
and some things will just never understand. And so like
I feel for the people that like, oh, this didn't happen,
just didn't come through God, didn't heal me. It's hard
to have an answer for that. Yeah, but you know,
(36:20):
we have faith.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
But I believe that that is purposeful for whatever was
the will be done.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
It's purposeful. It's just sometimes our human nature.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It's hard for us understanding. It's hard for.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Us to understand in the way that they do right,
especially if they don't happen the way that we want
them to.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
So even in a.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Small like whenever whenever Satan did enter this world, I mean,
so did death and sin and destruction and disease and
all these things. Until you know that final battle where
God casts them out and back into hell, you know
those things will be here, you know, and he's freaking
have it on the world and he's his sole focus
(37:02):
is to is to pull you away, pull you away
from drawing to God and running to God in those situations, and.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
So yeah, and sometimes I mean it's hard, So like
if I look at you know, us wanting to feeling
that we knew we were going to be over here
in this town, and we had that house and it
just felt right.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, I wanted it to work, and then like last minute,
it didn't, and it was like, man, that was crushing,
And so it was hard to be like, man, did
we seek too strongly for that specific place? Did we
what we're like, what were we doing? What was I
maybe possibly trying to control and make that happen? And
(37:48):
it wasn't the will of God? Yeah, you know, and
so I trust and I see that that rejection was protection,
which I loved that phrase.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I shared the podcast or two again.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
And here we are over here, and I'm just like, man,
I'm just so thankful that that house didn't work out. Yeah,
you know, And though we're in a situation where we're
like here in a temporary face for however long, But
that's okay because it's been so good here and.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
We're going to look back maybe two years from now,
because like I mean, right now, we have a you know,
we signed a lease on this house for a year.
I mean, we may be here right at that or
maybe a little bit, who knows, but you know, he may,
you know, we may be looking back two years later
at this perfect house in the perfect location and stuff
(38:39):
and realize, oh, it was all because of this. You know,
he had this for us and he wanted us to wait,
and so you know, we we try to look at
you know, these rejections and stuff as protection and a
blessing and a blessing in disguise sometimes. But you know,
going back of you know, hearing from God and stuff,
(39:03):
and like what does that look like to me? Uh,
just just in the past and the things that you know,
I felt at times where like I've heard from God
and stuff. And I remember very distinctly back whenever we
were going through so much trying to get pregnant with
our first daughter get pregnant with now Blake. I mean,
(39:26):
it took us years of going through infertility stuff and
me going to getting test doing testing and trying different
drugs and stuff like that, and then waiting two months
and and then Danielle doing the same thing, and it
went on and on and on for years to the
point where I mean you just get beat down and
like you just get consumed of is is just this
(39:51):
is just not going to happen, or you know, it
builds like this wall and this frustration between us, and
like all this stuff starts building and building. And it
was just one night, very clearly, I was waking up
like in a dream and I saw Danielle and I
and a little girl and I was just feeled with
(40:13):
this like overwhelming amount of just peace about just trust me.
And that was right about the time that we just
stopped and we focused on you know, like, Okay, God,
like what do you have for us right now? What
do you what do you want us involved in? What
do you want us to do? Where do you want
(40:33):
us to put our our attention right now? And that's
whenever we kind of moved into high school ministry for
a little bit and just focused on that, and we
stopped trying going through all the fertility stuff, and we
just took a break. And then God spoke to you
one day through that season of just like out of
(40:55):
the blue and do it and said okay, like it's time. Yeah,
and she Danielle told me, Okay, it's time. I think
we need to like let's try one more time or
let's try, and like I just feel good about it.
And then boom, within like two months, like we were pregnant. Yeah,
(41:16):
it was that very that very first time we were
pregnant with Blake, and you know, just God wanting us
to draw near to him and focus on him and
being obedient to him through that time, and you know,
He immensely blessed us through that and we were able
to have Blake, and and.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
It's so it's so hot, Like I think Adam and
I could go story after story of all the blessings
that we have been poured out onto from God by
being obedient. But there's also time after time where we
(41:59):
still struggle and we still have a hard time, you know,
with things because there's so much distraction. And you know,
I say this a lot where I'm like I just
want to take us and just like just remove us
from all of this, like all of this nastiness in
the world. You know, like let's just move, you know,
(42:20):
not not saying like let's move to the island or whatever,
but you know what I mean, like move away from
all the things that are distracting. And like, yes, there's
a lot of like our world today that we live
in as far as like you know, business and stuff
where it's you're listening to a form of social media
and like that's a lot of things that we do
(42:41):
and how do we utilize that for business and to
support our family and stuff. But there's so much bad
that comes from it too, And so raising kids, how
do you want to raise your kids to adapt? But
let them know that me and like, that's not important.
(43:01):
There's a lot of things that are just not important.
And I think as I look back at those times,
you know, I guess I was saying that to say,
like we can talk blessing after blessing and stories after
stories of like when we are obedient, but we still today,
Still we're not perfect and will never be and we
know that, we know the good that comes from being obedient,
(43:23):
but it's still very hard to be obedient. Yeah, because
we're selfish, we're needy, we want our own ways, we
like control, and we want to do things our ways.
And sometimes that is what is crippling us, is our
own self. You know, we're crippling our own selves. So
I guess for you know, like just encouragement. I think
(43:43):
what has helped us to stay on track with being
obedient is really having that close circle of christ centered
friendships where we can say, man, this is hard. I
feel like God's telling us something. Adam doesn't get it yet,
but I feel so. I feel like God has spoke
(44:05):
to me and we need prayer. We need prayer so
that we can align and make sure this is from God.
And just that is like the power of prayer is
so powerful and I believe in that, and I've seen
the works of that, and I mean weird testament to prayer,
(44:26):
like living through people praying for us when we had
no control over anything, you know, with the quintuplets and
the nick you and the blessings that came from all
of that.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
But like I said, even so, just like the provision
and the protection that God brings us.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Obviously having is a heavenly Father for sure, and.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Having a TV show on secular television for ten years,
you get attacked from all sides, and it feels sometimes
it feels like the world is like completely rooting against you.
And you know, people are constantly out after you because
they see a marriage and they've seen things that have
(45:08):
happened in the past with other people in our position,
and they're like, ya are never going to last. But
they see but we see that, and I feel like,
you know, this is one of those things of like
God using us as an example to show other people
because Daniel and I could not be any more opposite.
And then we've gone through ten years of just being
(45:31):
in the public eye and just getting criticism and scrutiny
on every single front. And here we are today because
just celebrating and He's carried us through and you know,
this weekend we're going to be celebrating our nineteenth wedding anniversary.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
And I want and I and I've said that from
the beginning, Like I think we both handle commentary to
our lives very differently, differently for sure, very differently. I
like what we're doing right now in saying we're actually
answering the questions of the people who don't understand.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
And I like that bit of I love.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
The support in the community that we have around people
who walk.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
With us and like know who God is.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
But I also love the fact that there's people who
are still coming and asking questions, are skeptical and saying like,
I don't know why you do that, Well, let us
try to explain it and it might and you know,
just for that hope of something we might have said
today that would help one of you something click and
(46:40):
say Okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
And to me that's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
It's it's not about there's going to be always so
much negativity and so much destruction, especially public figures coming
towards us. But a lot of that to me, Adam
will get worked up about it and want to fight,
but I'll always I also see like, oh, that's it.
There's a challenge right there. I see what can we
(47:06):
do in this situation, like kind of what we're doing today,
Like let's see what are the people who don't know
what we know? How can we better teach that? And
how can we better talk about that? And you know,
and there's a hard topic.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Obviously, there's a big difference between like somebody coming you know,
from and behind the position of just like like wonder
and just doesn't really understand and maybe ask like a
legitimate question about like what does that mean? I don't.
I don't understand it, or in my point of view
(47:39):
right now, I don't I necessarily agree with maybe a
decision that you've made, but I don't because I don't
know what that looks like. I don't know what like
hearing from God looks like. But then obviously there's the
other side of it, and you know people that either
or unbelievers or something like that, they just think we're
(48:02):
lunatics and and think we're just dumb, and they just
want to attack. And you know, obviously that's not from God.
And you know, those people just want to attack and
they just want to fight, and they want you to
they want a response, and I mean sometimes I give
it back. Sometimes I'll just like kind of ignore it.
(48:24):
But sometimes I'm just in a mood. I want to fight.
It's fun to me sometimes. But if I have, if
I have a fifteen or twenty minutes to like engage
with somebody, like, oh, I'll poke the bear sometimes. But
it's it's all in good fun for me. Like it's
not really rattling me that much. It's just like, okay,
(48:47):
well this is why. But so but there's there's also
been you know, I gave like one or two examples
of like times that we've heard from God. But you know,
all through the tuplet pregnancy and through different aspects of
you know, trying to get pregnant with the clintuplets, and
then the revelations that God has given us through you know,
(49:09):
the fear of the things that the doctors have said
to Danielle. You know He's spoken to us, you know,
in those ways, He's spoken to us through people in
those times, in our times in the Nicku, whenever the
kids were in the nicu, and you know, the times
and the peace that God has given us and and
the red relations that He's given us through those moments
(49:30):
of things are going to be fine, You're going to
be okay. I've got you, and you just feel I mean,
you feel the presence of God.
Speaker 4 (49:39):
And in that peacefulfilling is.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Because it's because what the Bible says is surpasses all understanding.
It's so hard to explain unless you have felt it before.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
And I want everyone to experience that because it's it's
like magical in a way, because it's like I don't
even know. It's so hard to explain because and this
has happened to me a couple of times where this
overwhelming sense of peace has taken over and it's just
this complete love of comfort and you just feel protected
(50:21):
and you know this is it. And you know, obedience.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Is hard.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
It's hard, but it's not about control. It's really about trust.
So trusting in us part of my life. Oh, trusting
is hard. Life story I think I've talked about it
a little bit, but you just you don't have to
(50:50):
know the whole plane. You just need to be able
to take a faithful step forward and that comes with
just trusting. Trusting, like you said, like there's this one spotlight,
I'm just gonna go there, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
So sometimes God just wants us to take that next
step just to see if you'll be obedient in it,
and then he'll shine a light to the next So
a lot of sometimes it could just be like a test,
like hey, are you going to take this stuff? Like
I want you to go here, but I'm not going
to show you that yet. I'm going to show you
this and what's right in front of you. Just take
(51:23):
the step and then I'm going to reveal something then.
You know, sometimes in our life, like we don't get
the full picture. We just get that next step. Yeah,
and he wants to see if you'll take it. And
you know a lot of times I mean that through
this journey, when I follow that step, coming to the
realization of closing down the store, we're going to sell
(51:46):
the house, we need to move away. I feel like
through that season, like God's been showing like Okay, take
this step, take this step, let's say, and we're.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Like what what God?
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah, this was all these steps were not taken lightly.
Like there was a lot of you know, we know
we need to do this, we feel we need to
do this, we know you're calling us to do this.
We want to be obedient. And nothing happened overnight. Guys,
it's been months and months of understanding what is the
(52:18):
obedient path that we need to take. Some people's stories
things can happen in you know, a miracle overnight, and
some people's it takes time, it takes years. I mean,
if you look at like Abraham and Sarah when what
was she like ninety hundred years old? He's like, you're
gonna have a baby, It's like, okay, my wife's old
and they did. So timing is not like our time
(52:43):
is not the same as when it comes to God's timing.
Speaker 4 (52:45):
And so.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
I just want to say, like, you know, we we
thank you for listening, and we are very thankful that
above all the things that we've gone through in life,
that we are here today to be able to like witness,
to share and to hopefully help some of you grow
a little bit closer into understanding like your walk and
what that might look like in today's episode of like
(53:10):
what does obedience look like? And how did we experience obedience?
And I really do hope that's something through here because
it's kind of hard to talk about because you don't
really know how to explain.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
It's hard to fully explain unless you've felt it, unless
you've lived it, unless you've.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
But there's fruits, there's, like I can tell you in
stories of like when we are being obedient and following
the path that God, we feel God is shining the
light on, there's so much fruits that come from that.
But when we sidetrack and go off on our own self,
there's destruction. There's a lot of hard things. There's a
lot of brokenness, there's a lot of hurt, like when
(53:47):
we try to step away from that and it's.
Speaker 4 (53:50):
Like, man, I don't want that. I don't want that fight.
I don't want that struggle.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Like God, bring me, bring me this way, bring me
this way, keep me aligned with scripture, keep me in
ligne with with my you know, focus on you, because
when I think of that first and do that first,
all things fall in the pieces, you know, And that's
it's true. Just I just want to say it's true.
You follow the right path, it will lead to joy.
(54:18):
You follow the wrong path, the darkness, it's going to
lead to destruction.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
You know. So thank y'all for listening.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
And yeah, we hope that God's use some of our
words to touch you today and that might bring a
little bit closer, a little bit more questioning of what
else do you want to know from us.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
And how can we help? So thanks for listening.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah, thank you guys for listening to episode forty three
More Than Reality Podcast, and we will see you in
the next one.
Speaker 4 (54:51):
And take that step even if it's hard.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
Ye, Love you guys, all right, Love you guys.
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