August 4, 2025 • 42 mins
0:00 - Zach Allen gets a new deal! Coach Sanford and Raj discuss what makes Zach Allen so unique and rare in the NFL right now. They also discuss when Nik Bonitto might be up!
12:28 - Coach and Raj breakdown what else needs to be seen from Bo Nix as we head into week 3 of training camp.
31:38 - How many REAL training camp battles do we have with the Broncos right now? Coach and Raj discuss which defensive or offensive position battle will have the most affect on the outcome of the season.
12:28 - Coach and Raj breakdown what else needs to be seen from Bo Nix as we head into week 3 of training camp.
31:38 - How many REAL training camp battles do we have with the Broncos right now? Coach and Raj discuss which defensive or offensive position battle will have the most affect on the outcome of the season.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Shut It, Git shot G. I ain't worry about Marvel.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Could Marvin know he not about to cut that ball
back across the middle?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
That's all I really have to say on that. And
Walder like a mosquito, bro, you need to worry about that.
I could lose this way. He can't change them. Looks
you feel what I'm saying. So that's all I got
to say.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
About mar I don't really stay in tune to the
exactness of it, but I knew we had gotten closer,
and two days ago said to him, I said, it
appears the ships can see each other on the horizon.
And then I asked him how long is the horizon
and his answer bothered me, said twenty miles.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It's eight miles.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Well, I did google it and it did say on
a cruise ship at like the high point of a
cruise ship, it can be twenty so it depends on
the ship. But no, I mean it's yeah. I mean
there's conversations and it's a business. But it never got
like contentious, And I think that was the cool thing
was just the way that everybody handled it. It never
felt like, you know, oh, you know, people are trying
(01:37):
to screw it, like and I said the word in
the beginning.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Trust.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
It was really you know, going into this, the trust
that both sides had was incredible.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
No Drama Training Camp twenty twenty five continues Welcome back
to Broncos Park Training Camp twenty five. It's the morning Sprint,
Alex Ryan, Emmy, the coach, Mike Sanford. And the reason
why we continue to have no drama, Well, the Broncos
have extended defensive ends Zach Allen to a four year,
one hundred and two million dollars contract that happened over
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the weekend on Saturday. So all of the chaos that's
happening in Cincinnati, in Washington, in Dallas, it stays far
away from the Mile High City.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, almost as you can't even see it on the horizon.
And might I add that Sean Payton is beyond mid
season form with his analogies. I was at the media
scrum on Saturday and there was a lot of different
talk about mileage from cruise ship to potential boat and
(02:37):
how that all meant, how close to the two sides.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Of negotiation either way.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
My coaching acronym game is also in midseason form because
we are live from the acronym NDTC no drama training camp,
and that's where we're at. Man, the Denver Broncos are
are the first this thing from anything that is drama.
Now we'll find out here of the next couple weeks.
(03:05):
John Franklin Myers, will there be any drama around his
potential deal or no deal? Nick Benito? Will there be
any drama around his deal or no deal? As of today,
I don't feel it whatsoever, but we shall see.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
The hope is that you just eventually get these deals
done as the days go by, and it doesn't feel
as though Benito's going to get to the point that
Parsons or Hendrickson has out there in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
The Jonathan Franklin Myers, well, you can't resign.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Everyone, right.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
That's where you get to a head is it can't
be everybody. They've gotten the most important deals done thus far, right,
like those two players still under contract. You can play
on good deals right now going into the twenty five
or twenty five to twenty six season and eventually get
them done in the offseason. Now Benito is the one
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that I want to get done sooner rather than later
because he has the highest ceiling out of anyone else
that's looking for.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Does that make sense for the Broncos right?
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Like I don't see Jonathan Franklin Myers playing himself into,
you know, a top seven defensive tackle deal in the league.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
He's probably a top thirty tackle now.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Nick Benito, if he goes out there and throws another
thirteen fourteen fifteen SAX season, he goes into top three,
he goes into j Watt, he goes into what Michaeh.
Parsons wants, and even then, Micah Parson's single high season
for sex is fourteen.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Nick Benito does it every year. He does. That's that's why.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Parsons is to fourteen consistency, and he's been available here
some odd sacks in four seasons.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
Like he just does it every year.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Nick Benito.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
If he's if he's wise and his agent is I
think advising him correctly, he doesn't look to sign a
deal Nick Benito, because what I see out here at
training camp, what I saw on film last year, Nick
Benito's physical attributes warrant him to be in the top
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three discussion. If he chases up his chases his twenty
twenty four season with an as good or better season
in twenty five, he is top three, maybe top five
outside linebacker pass rush specialist money.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Now to get out our you know, nautical slides here
the reason why the two ships haven't linked up with
each other when it comes to the Broncos and Nick Benito.
Now they have obviously with Zach Allen, right, you get
that four year, one hundred and two million dollar deal done.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
The reason why you were able to get that done is, well,
there aren't other deals like.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Zach Allens that are happening in the league right now.
The reason why the Benito deal hasn't happened, it's not
because Benito doesn't want to sign. It's not because the
Broncos don't want him here, or even because of you know,
taking a fun little topic that we had on Friday, well,
could you use Benito in a trade possibility for for
michaeh Parsons. None of that's the reason. The reason why
he hasn't signed is because Hendrickson and Micah Parsons are
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the two contracts that the.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
Benito camp are waiting on.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Right, you're gonna get slotted underneath at least Parsons, likely
underneath Hendrickson. Maybe it's probably like the same deal between
Benito and Hendrickson. But you're gonna get slotted right Benita
or right beneath Michaeh Parsons. If Parsons signs that forty
million dollar deal, you're automatically.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Making more money.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
It would be a dumb thing for Nick Benito to
sign before Parsons gets extended in Dallas or elsewhere. I
don't think you're holding out. The holding out is a
bad word. I don't think you are refusing to put
pen to paper for the whole season and betting on yourself.
You're waiting for Parsons to deal, for that deal to
get done.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's almost as if the word cop exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I don't know if you heard any of my back
and forth with Sean Payton about the cop for Zach
Allen or really what I think. And I asked him
genuinely wanted to know, Sean, do you do you have
a modern cump for Zach out?
Speaker 7 (07:07):
Actually we do have that. Let's hear from it right now.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
This is Coach's question with Sean Payton over the weekend
on Zach Allen Zach on.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Day like today, how much this guy like Vans, Joseph,
how much scene meant you played in his scheme in
the fit of that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
With me to play?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yeah, I mean, I'm forever grateful to Vans. He gave
me my start in Arizona and he was a major
reason why I came here, so kind of be able
to share these milestones across the way with him as
meant a lot. And that's kind of the cool thing
about this. You know, obviously the money is the money
and everything like that, but to be able to, you know,
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to share it with the people that have helped you
get you here, that's that's the coolest thing is because
it is you know, it's i don't know, status symbol whatever,
it's kind of where you're standing in the league is
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's respect thing.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
And you know, to be able to have a guy
like Vance believe in me a year after year and
you know, kind of helping me day out yesterday now,
he's been incredible, forever grateful for minute.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
So that was a question I asked of Zach Allen
after the podium availability of Sean Payton, and so we're
talking about comps. But what I found, so I tweeted
out the morning, within about ten minutes of the news breaking,
I believe this is Jordan Schultz that broke the news.
I find I'm mistaken on Twitter and in social media
spaces about Zach Allen and his and his new new
(08:25):
contract that is a fantastic contract for him. I think
it ends up putting him with at twenty five point
five million dollars annual.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Is that right?
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Twenty five and a half.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
He trails only Milton Williams and Chris Jones as like
interior defensive lineman slash defensive ends.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So my fascination was Zach Allen the dirt defensive ends
correct kind of fine, and that's that was what my
the question that kJ hopefully we'll have a chance to
grab that. I kind of went back and forth a
little bit with Sean about is there really a modern
or even a historical comp Zach Allen, because my point was, yes,
(09:02):
he calls his home base really interior defensive lineman or
a four technique, which means you line up head up
over an offensive tackle. In a three to four structure
of defense, that position is something between a d tackle
and a defensive end. But what struck me and even
just hearing Zach Allen talk about that Vance Joseph is
(09:25):
very influential and why that day Saturday morning of putting
pen to paper in it being such a massive game,
really life changing type of a contract for Zach Allen
and his fiance. Congratulations to them very much deserved, is
the fact that Vance Joseph will very frequently use Zach
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Allen not just as a as a three technique which
plays over a guard, not just as a four technique
which plays over the offensive tackle. He'll put him directly
over a center and play the zero technique. At times,
he'll play him as a two I, which means that
you lineup in the a gap between a guard and
a center. That is rare for a player that will
also on third down be used as an edge player.
(10:07):
And there were times last year, and I went back
and watched the film, there were times where you would
see Zach Allen lineup as a nine technique, a wide
nine technique, and you would have three defensive linemen on
the opposite side, and that would typically be Malcolm Roach
and or DJ Jones and John Franklmeer some combination of
two of those three, and then Nick Benito as the
other guy, or Jonathan Cooper. You're freeing up who is
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typically an interior defensive lineman to get a one on
one pass rush opportunity, because what's unique about him is
his ability to bowl rush and use his hands, and that,
to me is what makes him such a unique player.
That he's not a true defensive end, he's not a
true defensive tackle, but he also can play like interior
nose tackle, which usually is only that position, the two eye,
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the zero the one technique that's typically used for a
guy that weighs three hundred and thirty seven pounds the
body type is Malcolm Roach or even DJ Jones. That's
what's so unique about him, and that's why I think
there is no comp Sean had zero answer for a
cop and it kind of pissed him off. It was
almost like it stumped him. But I think he was
like in being stumped, he was right. Sean was right.
(11:15):
There really isn't the guy that I can think about.
People want to say he's like Jared Allen. I'm like, no,
Jared Allen's a defensive end man. He's a pass rush specialist.
People want to say, you know, name any white defensive
lineman that's twitched up, and that's what people want to say,
and that's not the case. He's not JJ Watt, He's
not TJ Watt. He spent time with JJ Watt in Arizona,
picked up some tricks of the trade to add to
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his toolbag. But man, this guy is so dang versatile.
And the word versatility is what defines what is so
unique about this football roster for the Broncos is that
they have so many players that can play in so
many different spots. And I think Zach Allen is the
ultimate front seven Unicorn.
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Speaker 2 (12:28):
Coach back to Zach Allen.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Is there an NFL comp historically that you can think
about the plate essentially every position in the front.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, and let's make sure we understand though his feature,
you know, is playing over that three technique he can
go to the edge. I'm sure there is. I want
to avoid any comps.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
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had a full breakdown of what we saw on Saturday.
So before we get back into Zach Allen in his
four year, one hundred and two million dollar deal and
how that affects the Broncos moving forward with guys like
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Jonathan Franklin Myers and Nick Benito in particular, what did
we see Saturday?
Speaker 7 (13:40):
We had a scrimmage. Broncos will have their first preseason
game coming.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Up a week from that Saturday this weekend in San
Francisco against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
We saw a pretty sleepy day.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It was not the fireworks that we probably anticipated or
frankly a year ago.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It was the boat.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I thought that that Saturday scrimmage, even if it was
situational as Bowick's coming out party, it was his introduction
to me, not that he gives two craps about what
I think, but it was for me. I was like,
that's an NFL starting quarterback and that Saturday was the
first time I'd seen it really during the training camp last.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Year, well at this point last year when the first
depth charts came out, we can expect the depth chart
within the next I was gonna say thirty six hours,
like it could be as early as today, could be
as late as Wednesday morning.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
We can expect a depth chart.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
The first depth chart last year had Bo Nick's third
last year, so it was Jared Stidham one, it was
Zach Wilson two and Bo Nicks three. It's not quite
what Indianapolis did today, which was Anthony Richardson or Daniel
Jones a first as first string quarterback, but Bo was
a distant third there at this point last season. I
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think we could have expected Saturday's practice and scrimmage to
be a little slower if we had listened to what
Sean Payton had to say on Friday during his thirty
three minute press conference on a Friday afternoon, thirty three
minutes coaches asking four minute questions. He did tell us
it's going to be a lot of walkthrough. It's gonna
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be a lot of situational blow the play dead, do
it again, not live, take guys to the ground. And
that's kind of what you say.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It's what it was.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
It was a day where I thought Bonick started on
fire through some really good off platform throws. Why don't
you hear the buzzword from US quarterback idiots in the
media of off platform throws, it means any type of
throw that is not in a traditional pocket sense. When
you're you know, scrambling to your right and you throw
(15:38):
slightly across your body and you know, throw a bit
of a fade away, that's an off platform throw. When
you are retreating away from a pass rush and you
end up finding an arm slot which is either high
higher than your normal arm slot and a little bit
more over the top, or if it's a little bit
more sidearm, that's an off platform throw. Bonicks showcase that
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early on there was a bad decision made by Bonnicks,
and I wouldn't call it of the variety that I've
been asking for, which is, see if you can fit
a ball in there with a lot of confidence and
maybe it gets picked off. This was like throwing the
ball off your back foot up in the air in
the back of the end zone. Overthrowing would be receiver
and Patzertan just cleaning up the mess.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Okay, So it was really really easy to see when
Caleb Williams was doing it this weekend.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
It looked like that, but not nearly as best. Okay,
so what Caleb Williams did throwing that ball in a
what I think was like a real like scrimmage move
the ball setting. I was like, that guy can't play
football for you, Like that guy can't be an NFL
starting quarterback long term if those things continue to creep.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
If you guys haven't seen the Caleb Williams video, it
was flushed out of the pocket right, very clearly a
sack's gonna happen, and he chucks a ball.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
It was like a hook shot, a Nola cookshot over
the middle of the field, five hundred live, Like, go
get the ball.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I hope one of my guys comes down with it
rather than throwing the ball away.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
It's very clearly easy. It's very easy to see.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Rather like Williams made a terrible decision there in a
practice environment from the train guy. As a coach who's
looking at progression from a quarterback, how do you differentiate
between he was trying to he was trying to fit
a ball into a tight window that he normally wouldn't
do during the regular season.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It's Peyton Manning, and that's what I think. The Peyton
Manning training camp experiences, right. Everybody talked about Peyton threw
a ton of picks. Yeah, in training camp, but he
was seeing he was trying to see it consistently.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
If I if I just get close.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
To touching the hot spit right, what's my red line?
Where can I get burnt?
Speaker 6 (17:40):
How do you find the difference between touching the stove
and either being overmatched or making stupid decision?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, I don't think there's ever play.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And Sean Payton was asked about this, and I believe
it was Friday's training camp post presser post practice presser
where he I think the exact question was asked of
Sean if it's good for quarterbacks to test the limits,
and he just said every play is unique, and the
way I coach every play is there's a essentially a
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right answer for every play, and so why have varying
degrees of right answer if it's training camp versus if
it's regular season. And that's where I think where you know,
the Bonnicks interception that happened to Patzertan the second was
a little bit more. It felt a little bit more
of the bad variety where he's probably gonna get his
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his He probably got his butt ripped this weekend in
in uh in meetings with John Payton.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
But he wouldn't get it. He wouldn't get ripped from
the Whufonga.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And you could tell with Sean's reaction to that particular interception,
You're like, he kind of made the right decision. It
was a run pass option, and Hufonga came from his
two high safety alignment and was fitting down into the
box to fit the run game. But he came to
a spot about seven yards from the line of scrimmage
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in a what was more like a linebacker position linebacker stance,
and he baited Bo into throwing the glance post, which
is a deeper slant pattern, and I think he's thrown
it to Courtland Sutton, and he baited him and was
lurking low and then just jumped in the sky and
grabbed a ball out of the sky that was driven.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I mean it was. It was a red line all
that bo Nicks has.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
And it was eight feet away from the line of
scrim so close.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I mean, that's that's what made it such a unique interception.
And then he just he snatched it. Talking about Whufonga
and immediately he had blood on his on his mind man.
He was looking for blood and he was He went
pick six right off the bat.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
So when we look at these read pass option offenses
that are you know, they're obviously very prominent now throughout
the league. They hadn't really been that way three, four
or five years ago, but now as college football permeates
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
We talked about this the upward trend.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
It's not trickle down Reagan in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
You get concepts from college and the eventually get brought
into the National Football League.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
When you look at RPOs plays like that, is.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
That solely on the quarterback to have to find a
safety that's lurking in a linebacker position? Or are there
any safety valves where a center with his head up
before he snaps the ball can see that and give
some type of.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Can I call to a QB? Can I give you
a little secret? I would love to hear trick of
the trade.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So I've coached in very heavy RPO offenses and the
first time I coached in an offense where it was
basically every play was a semblance of an RPO was
not my system. I went and was hired at as
an offensive coordinator at the University of Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
To run somebody else's system.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So I I learned everything you could learn about RPO
against really good defenses.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Shoot.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
One of the decoordinators I faced is out here today
is essentially the next guy up as the defensive coordinator
in Jim Leonard at the University of Wisconsin, one of
the best defenses. Talk about a hell of a lurking safety.
That guy hit hard. He did, and he trained other
safeties under his.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Tulits into the same thing.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But the two tricks of the trade is this, when
you're doing it from the college level. Number One, if
it's gray, If the safety is in a gray area.
The quote that I always told I tell quarterbacks to
this day, you're never wrong to give hand the ball
off to the running back. You can always live to
see another day. So you want clarity from that safety
of what he's doing. And I'd say what Hufonga did
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was an unbelievably good acting job, but it was just
gray enough where if I'm watching the film, I said,
I'd say, hey, bo, what am I gonna tell you?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You're never wrong to give The.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Second thing is if I know that a safety or
a nickel or a linebacker that we're reading in the RPO.
It just depends on what RPO you're running, what what
run scheme you're running. Some of them are off of
a ten personnel no tight end, kind of an inside
zone where you're blocking the four down and the mic,
and there might be a hang player, a nickel or
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a dime player that you're reading. There's times where as
as the play caller, I'll have a quarterback systemically look
over to the sideline and if I think that there's
something that could be a trap that the defense is
setting that could lead to take a turnover, I just
simply tap my hand and say hand it. So I'm
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I'm making the decision pre snap for him, just knowing
that it might be a great.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
So there are there are.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Safety measures in place because there's so much happening at
the line of scrimmage for a quarterback, even outside of
an RPO offense. But you add the extra wrinkle of
having the ability to hand the ball off to a back,
take it yourself, pass to a number of three different receivers.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
How it goes. There's checkdowns in RPO football team. It
just got to be it's got to be very question.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
So there are a possiabilities for you to have like
a safety valve in place that if he's going through
this multitude of options in front of him, that you
can dumb it down to someone sees something, someone says something.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Right that that that's one hundred percent the case. The
thing that I find interesting.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
This is my explain it to me like I'm twelve
month with CRPO.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So think about this.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
We've all seen John Gruden go on his rants about
two things that he hates about the modern game of football.
Number One, he hates the clap cadence. Despises it that
that college football has gone away from a verbal cadence
and there's no why did he Why did he hut
(23:39):
hot hot easy easy, black spider two white banana right?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
He hates it.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
The other thing is he early on is cadence got
some heads to snap out on the field there.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I love that boy. I probably should watch myself there.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's probably hit a little too close to because I
truly coached in this exact same offense for five years
at Stanford from a from a casepective and terminology standpoint,
So they're like, what the hell's that guy doing over there?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Is that moron with a valor.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
What do he have on over there doing the other
thing that you hear, especially in the early days of
John Gruden adapting to the modern college offenses. When he's
doing his shows with quarterbacks, he calls it AAA, you
guys run that ridiculous protection offense.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You guys call it RBO What is that all about?
And he despises it. Well.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Sean Payton and John Gruden are true contemporaries that came
up together. They carve their teeth at the same time
in the same league really with the exact same verbiage
in terminology within the West.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Coast offensive system.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
What is made in my opinion, Sean Payton so much
more relevant and hirable outside of the fact that Sean
Payton has an he hasn't had any disparaging emails towards
any classes in society like John Gruden has. It's also
because Sean Payton's been a willing to adapt to what
the college quarterbacks are really really good at it.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
He was talking about that on Friday actually, in particular
Boe in the two minute offense and utilizing those clap
cadences h to get the ball out on time, to
get his reads looking not necessarily having to look toward
the sideline. You know, get the the whole collegiate thing.
If you know you're you're throwing up for.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
The four poster boards of emoji's.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You got it. You got the poop emoji. You've got
You've got the.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
The green marital aid emoji.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Correct the uh, the egg plant emoji.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I don't think I've seen that one. Stay, We'll steer
clear front of the egg plant.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
He was talking about how you have to you have
to adjust to what these kids.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
And honestly, that's that's what they are coming up.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
I know I'm young, but like those guys younger than
I am, what these kids have have been accustomed to
coming into the league. And the other thing that he
had to be okay with is BOE's.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
A mobile quarterback like Drew. Drew's a true pocket passer,
climb the pocket, shorter quarterback, so.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
A lot for he threw from on platform like ninety
percent of the time. I think Drew Brees actually he
revolutionized the quarterback position for how he worked in the pocket.
He had a wide base. Do you remember that his
feet would be a lot wider than you.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Can't throw those balls at that size without having the
best platform.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
In the league. And he did, and he's the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
When I was training young quarterbacks, I would show Drew
Brees film about how to manipulate the pocket, how to
stay on platform as much as you possibly can.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
On platform, off platform with bon Nicks. This coming from
NFL Pro Insights. Did you show that last years bow
Knicks threw for eight to get nerdy high nine hundred
If we haven't been nerdy enough with RPO literally went
into RPO.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
One of guys in your ridiculous protection offence.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You gotta slow down, will you?
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Did you know this?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Last year bo threw for a league high nine hundred
and four yards, including eight touchdown passes while on the run,
which qualifies as moving at eight mile hour or more.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
This past year.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
It's the fourth most of any quarterback in the season
since twenty sixteen, only behind Patrick Mahomes back in twenty eighteen,
when Mahomes threw for nine hundred and forty five yards
nine hundred and fifty one yards. Two years after that
and two years after the nine to fifty one season
threw for over one thousand yards while on the run.
Nix is the most proficient running or throwing on the
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run quarterback in the league.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I always called a OTR because I have to. It's
a very long verboth showey yeah term. So it's a
it's an like we do on the run drills when
you're training quarterbacks. When Bonix was coming out and the
combine didn't necessarily showcase arguably his best his best trait
and that's off schedule or bootleg passing game phenomenal. The
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combine's all about on schedule three step drop from under center,
throw a slant, five step drop from under center, throw
a base out, seven step drop from under center, throw
a dig or a deep post right. That's not exactly
bo Nick's his strength. Up here you can see twenty
twenty four stats. The numbers from inside the pocket aren't
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on platform, weren't great off platform and out.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
On the move.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
That's where he makes his hay. And that's where Sean
Payton has adapted to what his skill set is more
so than what Drew Brees's skill set was. Because Drew
was a good off platform thrower, Drew is a good
on the run thrower. Drew's just really good man. He's
a really good player all around. But Sean Payton. As
the season went on, I felt like Sean was going
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more to design to throw on the run, and it
ended up opening up Bo's abilities and it grew as confidence.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
You saw both feel more comfortable.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Did you know his final eight games in the season
were they were excellent regular seasons?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yes? Yeah, I mean obviously the playoff game wasn't.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
I'm throwing I kind of throw the playoff game out
the window. You were you were ahead of sk schedule
last year, Like I understand, I understand fans demand excellence
here in Denver, like that is, that is what you
have been given for years, is championship excellence. But after
the better part of a decade of sucking, you being
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ahead of schedule and making the playoffs last year, getting
blown out by Buffalo, who's a bona fide Super Bowl contender,
should not feel like underachievement. That's why I kind of
throw it out the window. It happens this year, then
I go, it's an abject failure.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I completely agree that you should never look at a
postseason appearance in a season where you were predicted to
win about four games as anything. He sure wins, but
you do start you started having to get into the
discussion of how does Bonicks perform in the games where
he is needed to win the game, not the defense solely,
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which is a.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Lot of what the season was Last year.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
The NFC South was a really nice safety net for
you to build your confidence as an offense, and your
defense was absolutely incredible against all teams that were below
the five hundred line.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
And those games are gonna be Cincinnati Philly this year,
maybe Houston at least one of the Kansas City games.
I think you can throw the home game against Green
Bay in there, and maybe at Washington. Like there's six
games that you're gonna have to key in where it's
bo has to elevate the team this year, at least
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from from a quick glance, those are my schedule markers
this year is you have to be excellent in those
games for the Broncos to be above five hundred. And
if you're above five hundred and those maybe even at
five hundred and those six games three and three, they're
a bona fide playoff.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Team if not competing heavily for the AFC West Crown.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
This is what what I've seen my eyes, having now
been trained a little bit more with what a training
camp looks like. This is a team that is contending
actively to win the AFC West Championship.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
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Speaker 7 (31:40):
Training Camp twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
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Broncos Country. Coach Mike Sanford, Alex Ryan Emmy. We have
no pads on it practice today. I wouldn't expect pads
on today, tomorrow or maybe even the next day. Prior
to the joint practice tomorrow, I don't know, man, Like
the joint practices are heavy, consistently padded with San Francisco,
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maybe you'll.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Get them to the Michelle's. Maybe tomorrow might be uppers.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
So basically helmets and shoulder pads, whereas today is just
solely helmets for everybody except for essentially the interior alignment.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Like I don't wearing spiders, I.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Don't expect us to see the harder hitting, fully padded
practices that we saw at the end of last week.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, it was. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
One of the things that I've been telling you everybody
that loves football, and you know, especially guys that are
in the high school or coach or college coaching landscape.
A lot of friends that I still keep in touch
with that are reporting to training camp in college or
high school coaches in the area. A lot of people
think that the NFL's the soft league, right, It's where
you don't see a lot of padded practices. You never
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see tackling to the ground from a practice perspective.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
You're laughing, Yeah, I'm laughing at that because we went
through was it Friday's practice that was fully padded that
they went through a tackling sir get at the end
of right.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And so that's what I think is very unique and
different about what I'm watching out here, especially last week.
Six days in a row, which doesn't sound crazy to
probably you at home, like, well, that's what they do, right,
they're professional football players. They should be practicing. But six
full practices, none of which were short of two hours
except for practice number one. Do you remember that it
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was last Monday, a week ago Monday that was the
hour and eighteen hour softest practice we've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
And then maybe Sean heard it because Tuesday through Friday
we're even though the one day that you had where
spiders were just gone, it was.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Two hours and twenty minute practice.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
So that's what I've been telling people is that this
is not this is not the Nathaniel Hacket training camp
of camp, feel good camp, you know camp just whatever
you're feeling, whatever your vibes are, just say, man, just
do you ben. This is a Sean Payton saying this
is how we do it. This is how we're gonna practice,
and we're gonna be physical. We're gonna have the equipment
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on required to play the game of football. The way's
supposed be played. I got some information from just some
just some sources that I have in and around that
the overall improvements that have been made with with the
with the health of this franchise actually ties back into
the science. Bou Lowry is the guy that was brought
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in from LSU. He's an unbelievable sports science the crossroads
of sports medicine and the strength program. He's been He's
been a godsend for the Denver Broncos in their health
that you've seen over the last two years. I've heard
that part of his belief and part of the Broncos
organizational belief in why you would go padded practices for
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five out of six days is that you can't expect
to train soft and then all of a sudden play
hard when it counts on a Sunday. And that's what
the Broncos are doing on the It's brilliant the numbers
that we've seen of injuries. It's almost like the best
way that you could get callous to get the game
of football is by actually playing the game of football.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
That is the that's the popular term when you talk
about hitting during the training or during training camp periods
and why there's so many soft tissue injuries that happened
early on in a season as well, the players haven't
been calloused enough.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
It was, you know, you're taking it easy because.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
You're so nervous about a non contact injury in the
middle of July and August that when you ramp it
up and October twelfth comes around and you're four weeks
into the season, a guy's tearing in his acl he's
popping a hamstring, You've got rotator cuff injury.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
That's what I think they're trying to compat against right
now in practice and training camp. Obviously, no pads on today,
but it will be a physical week of practice, especially
when you go out to San Francisco for the joint sessions.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That'll be interesting to get the news from San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
And one of my favorite follows on social media on
x is a San Francisco I would call him. He's
the ultimate Kyle Shanahan troller. But he's at practice every
single day. His name's Grant Kohne co h N. In fact,
I think we need to get him on as a
guest because he loves throwing shade at at Kyle Shanahan
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thinks that there's a massive overpay in brock Purty, but
he will give us a very very I would say,
scathing and accurate report of what's happening from forty nine
Ers and Broncos joint practices. It's gonna be fascinating to see.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
I was looking at ESPN's latest rankings that they had
in terms of biggest position battles around the league, and
I think it's very, very easy, Like.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
Off the top of your head, what's the biggest position
battle here in Denver?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Running back?
Speaker 7 (36:42):
It is running back?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
And even closer is there is there really another? I mean,
I say wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
There's some some jockeying for position of who's wide receiver?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Two and three? I would say, sure, yeah, sure they're
all gonna play.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And Sean proved that last year he played six to
seven receivers or six receivers throughout the course the year.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
The biggest one in Denver is without a doubt running back.
Who gets the touches outside of JK.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Dobbins. Is it going to be your rookie that you
took in the second round in RJ? Harvey?
Speaker 6 (37:08):
Can you lean on a formerly undrafted player in Julia McLoughlin,
who Sean Payton can't stop talking about in his post
practice pressers. Do you do you even roster a fifth
round running back from last year in audrick estimate out
of Notre Dame after being a healthy scratch going into
the postseason against Buffalo, San Francisco's biggest position battle this year,
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safety and they let Talano Hufanga lead.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, and that's when I bring up Grant Cone of
San Francisco's beat great codes one of those players or
one of those members of media that will consistently point
out that you, as a franchise, meaning the forty nine ers,
chose a monster contract for brock Perty, which certainly could
argue that's the right play.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
He took him to a super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
You always search for a fifty million dollars quarterback if
you don't have one, you're looking for, correct.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
But were you?
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Did you make that decision while also paying a premium
for Trent Williams, while also paying for wide receivers. You know,
at the time, obviously it was a yuk a little
bit of Juwan Jennings. You're gonna pay him, you know.
Christian McCaffrey is a is a huge contract in George Kittle,
and you're gonna let two of your most impactful defensive
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players walk and join the Denver Broncos organization just like that.
It's exactly what the forty nine Ers did, is they
made that decision to allow two players that I think
were highly, highly instrumental in getting to a super Bowl
in twenty twenty three for that forty nine Ers franchise.
You let him walk, and now now the Broncos are
benefiting it. I got an update just eyeball test on
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Dre Greenlaw watching him go through some stretch. He went
through the entire Dynamics stretch. Looks bouncy, looks explosive. Everything
at this point looks like he's just being held for
cautionarily good.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Are there any players that there any players that stand
out to you right now? And I don't know if
I want to be the guy that looks three years
down the road, like when bo Is eventually do a
sixty million dollars a year contract. Who are the players
on this team that scream talanoa hufanga, that scream Dray Greenlaw,
that's scream, hey, we have to get rid of, we
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have to get rid of Deebo, Samuel like those types
of guys that are currently on the roster right now
that when Bo gets his deal, you're eventually gonna have
to cut ties with.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I know the timing doesn't necessary, it doesn't add up
with what you're asking, But Marvin Momms Junior is a
player that at some point you're gonna find You're gonna
find out what Sean Payton really thinks about Marvin Mims Junior.
We're gonna find out how much he's utilized in the
game plan early on in this season, because it took
it took weeks to be able to really get Marvin
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Mims activated as a as a full skill set player
as opposed to just a return man.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I think afting tells you the answer to that question
way more than anything else.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
I like the fact that you brought brought up a
wide receiver, right.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
They're always gonna draft one, if not two, wide receivers
every single year. Mims is the only wide receiver in
the book that doesn't fit the prototype for Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
So he hasn't gone out, He hasn't gone out and
drafted a four to three forty guy that's fired even right,
He's allowing it to breathe and marinate with mims.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
If I look at last year's draft, you know the
player that comes to mind that when when Bo's do
his you know the guy who's gonna be the short
end of the chopping block or chopping block.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Is it gonna be Devon?
Speaker 6 (40:38):
I don't think it's Devon Vley. I think it's on
the defensive side. Brother, I think it's Riley Moss.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
There's a reason why you drafted Ja Day Baron, right,
It's because you need to have that that go to
nickel player. But eventually, when your quarterback needs sixty million
dollars a year, you're gonna have to cut a couple
of guys.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
I'll tell you guys who are going to be due
to get paid.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
This.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
This is that people are that are listening to this
right now are gonna row whatever at their at their radios,
in their car, French fries or maybe some Chick fil
a sauce. But the replacement for Riley Moss eventually is
not going to be John A. Barron is an outside
corner You've seen him rage does is he built with
the length required to play outside cornerback in today's NFL.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
No, he's got a Jabrill Peppers build.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
He's a nickel.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
It's okay, it's gonna be Chris Abrams Drain. That guy's
had a really good training camp. Chris Abrams Drain had
a really nice end of the season. The second matchup
in Los Angeles against the Chargers, the interception right before halftime.
I like his length, I like his he looks like
a plug and play corner. And in fact, if if
you ever did have a significant injury to a Riley
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Mosster Patzer ten the second the next outside cornerback up
at that position, I believe wholeheartedly is ka d Chris
Abrams Strain.
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Shut It, Git shot G. I ain't worry about Marvel.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Could Marvin know he not about to cut that ball
back across the middle?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
That's all I really have to say on that. And
Walder like a mosquito, bro, you need to worry about that.
I could lose this way. He can't change them. Looks
you feel what I'm saying. So that's all I got
to say.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
About mar I don't really stay in tune to the
exactness of it, but I knew we had gotten closer,
and two days ago said to him, I said, it
appears the ships can see each other on the horizon.
And then I asked him how long is the horizon
and his answer bothered me, said twenty miles.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
It's eight miles.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Well, I did google it and it did say on
a cruise ship at like the high point of a
cruise ship, it can be twenty so it depends on
the ship. But no, I mean it's yeah. I mean
there's conversations and it's a business. But it never got
like contentious, And I think that was the cool thing
was just the way that everybody handled it. It never
felt like, you know, oh, you know, people are trying
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to screw it, like and I said the word in
the beginning.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Trust.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
It was really you know, going into this, the trust
that both sides had was incredible.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
No Drama Training Camp twenty twenty five continues Welcome back
to Broncos Park Training Camp twenty five. It's the morning Sprint,
Alex Ryan, Emmy, the coach, Mike Sanford. And the reason
why we continue to have no drama, Well, the Broncos
have extended defensive ends Zach Allen to a four year,
one hundred and two million dollars contract that happened over
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the weekend on Saturday. So all of the chaos that's
happening in Cincinnati, in Washington, in Dallas, it stays far
away from the Mile High City.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, almost as you can't even see it on the horizon.
And might I add that Sean Payton is beyond mid
season form with his analogies. I was at the media
scrum on Saturday and there was a lot of different
talk about mileage from cruise ship to potential boat and
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how that all meant, how close to the two sides.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Of negotiation either way.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
My coaching acronym game is also in midseason form because
we are live from the acronym NDTC no drama training camp,
and that's where we're at. Man, the Denver Broncos are
are the first this thing from anything that is drama.
Now we'll find out here of the next couple weeks.
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John Franklin Myers, will there be any drama around his
potential deal or no deal? Nick Benito? Will there be
any drama around his deal or no deal? As of today,
I don't feel it whatsoever, but we shall see.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
The hope is that you just eventually get these deals
done as the days go by, and it doesn't feel
as though Benito's going to get to the point that
Parsons or Hendrickson has out there in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Now.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
The Jonathan Franklin Myers, well, you can't resign.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Everyone, right.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
That's where you get to a head is it can't
be everybody. They've gotten the most important deals done thus far, right,
like those two players still under contract. You can play
on good deals right now going into the twenty five
or twenty five to twenty six season and eventually get
them done in the offseason. Now Benito is the one
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that I want to get done sooner rather than later
because he has the highest ceiling out of anyone else
that's looking for.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Does that make sense for the Broncos right?
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Like I don't see Jonathan Franklin Myers playing himself into,
you know, a top seven defensive tackle deal in the league.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
He's probably a top thirty tackle now.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Nick Benito, if he goes out there and throws another
thirteen fourteen fifteen SAX season, he goes into top three,
he goes into j Watt, he goes into what Michaeh.
Parsons wants, and even then, Micah Parson's single high season
for sex is fourteen.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Nick Benito does it every year. He does. That's that's why.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Parsons is to fourteen consistency, and he's been available here
some odd sacks in four seasons.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
Like he just does it every year.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Nick Benito.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
If he's if he's wise and his agent is I
think advising him correctly, he doesn't look to sign a
deal Nick Benito, because what I see out here at
training camp, what I saw on film last year, Nick
Benito's physical attributes warrant him to be in the top
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three discussion. If he chases up his chases his twenty
twenty four season with an as good or better season
in twenty five, he is top three, maybe top five
outside linebacker pass rush specialist money.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Now to get out our you know, nautical slides here
the reason why the two ships haven't linked up with
each other when it comes to the Broncos and Nick Benito.
Now they have obviously with Zach Allen, right, you get
that four year, one hundred and two million dollar deal done.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
The reason why you were able to get that done is, well,
there aren't other deals like.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Zach Allens that are happening in the league right now.
The reason why the Benito deal hasn't happened, it's not
because Benito doesn't want to sign. It's not because the
Broncos don't want him here, or even because of you know,
taking a fun little topic that we had on Friday, well,
could you use Benito in a trade possibility for for
michaeh Parsons. None of that's the reason. The reason why
he hasn't signed is because Hendrickson and Micah Parsons are
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the two contracts that the.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
Benito camp are waiting on.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
Right, you're gonna get slotted underneath at least Parsons, likely
underneath Hendrickson. Maybe it's probably like the same deal between
Benito and Hendrickson. But you're gonna get slotted right Benita
or right beneath Michaeh Parsons. If Parsons signs that forty
million dollar deal, you're automatically.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Making more money.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
It would be a dumb thing for Nick Benito to
sign before Parsons gets extended in Dallas or elsewhere. I
don't think you're holding out. The holding out is a
bad word. I don't think you are refusing to put
pen to paper for the whole season and betting on yourself.
You're waiting for Parsons to deal, for that deal to
get done.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's almost as if the word cop exactly what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I don't know if you heard any of my back
and forth with Sean Payton about the cop for Zach
Allen or really what I think. And I asked him
genuinely wanted to know, Sean, do you do you have
a modern cump for Zach out?
Speaker 7 (07:07):
Actually we do have that. Let's hear from it right now.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
This is Coach's question with Sean Payton over the weekend
on Zach Allen Zach on.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Day like today, how much this guy like Vans, Joseph,
how much scene meant you played in his scheme in
the fit of that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
With me to play?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yeah, I mean, I'm forever grateful to Vans. He gave
me my start in Arizona and he was a major
reason why I came here, so kind of be able
to share these milestones across the way with him as
meant a lot. And that's kind of the cool thing
about this. You know, obviously the money is the money
and everything like that, but to be able to, you know,
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to share it with the people that have helped you
get you here, that's that's the coolest thing is because
it is you know, it's i don't know, status symbol whatever,
it's kind of where you're standing in the league is
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's respect thing.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
And you know, to be able to have a guy
like Vance believe in me a year after year and
you know, kind of helping me day out yesterday now,
he's been incredible, forever grateful for minute.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
So that was a question I asked of Zach Allen
after the podium availability of Sean Payton, and so we're
talking about comps. But what I found, so I tweeted
out the morning, within about ten minutes of the news breaking,
I believe this is Jordan Schultz that broke the news.
I find I'm mistaken on Twitter and in social media
spaces about Zach Allen and his and his new new
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contract that is a fantastic contract for him. I think
it ends up putting him with at twenty five point
five million dollars annual.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Is that right?
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Twenty five and a half.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
He trails only Milton Williams and Chris Jones as like
interior defensive lineman slash defensive ends.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So my fascination was Zach Allen the dirt defensive ends
correct kind of fine, and that's that was what my
the question that kJ hopefully we'll have a chance to
grab that. I kind of went back and forth a
little bit with Sean about is there really a modern
or even a historical comp Zach Allen, because my point was, yes,
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he calls his home base really interior defensive lineman or
a four technique, which means you line up head up
over an offensive tackle. In a three to four structure
of defense, that position is something between a d tackle
and a defensive end. But what struck me and even
just hearing Zach Allen talk about that Vance Joseph is
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very influential and why that day Saturday morning of putting
pen to paper in it being such a massive game,
really life changing type of a contract for Zach Allen
and his fiance. Congratulations to them very much deserved, is
the fact that Vance Joseph will very frequently use Zach
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Allen not just as a as a three technique which
plays over a guard, not just as a four technique
which plays over the offensive tackle. He'll put him directly
over a center and play the zero technique. At times,
he'll play him as a two I, which means that
you lineup in the a gap between a guard and
a center. That is rare for a player that will
also on third down be used as an edge player.
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And there were times last year, and I went back
and watched the film, there were times where you would
see Zach Allen lineup as a nine technique, a wide
nine technique, and you would have three defensive linemen on
the opposite side, and that would typically be Malcolm Roach
and or DJ Jones and John Franklmeer some combination of
two of those three, and then Nick Benito as the
other guy, or Jonathan Cooper. You're freeing up who is
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typically an interior defensive lineman to get a one on
one pass rush opportunity, because what's unique about him is
his ability to bowl rush and use his hands, and that,
to me is what makes him such a unique player.
That he's not a true defensive end, he's not a
true defensive tackle, but he also can play like interior
nose tackle, which usually is only that position, the two eye,
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the zero the one technique that's typically used for a
guy that weighs three hundred and thirty seven pounds the
body type is Malcolm Roach or even DJ Jones. That's
what's so unique about him, and that's why I think
there is no comp Sean had zero answer for a
cop and it kind of pissed him off. It was
almost like it stumped him. But I think he was
like in being stumped, he was right. Sean was right.
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There really isn't the guy that I can think about.
People want to say he's like Jared Allen. I'm like, no,
Jared Allen's a defensive end man. He's a pass rush specialist.
People want to say, you know, name any white defensive
lineman that's twitched up, and that's what people want to say,
and that's not the case. He's not JJ Watt, He's
not TJ Watt. He spent time with JJ Watt in Arizona,
picked up some tricks of the trade to add to
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his toolbag. But man, this guy is so dang versatile.
And the word versatility is what defines what is so
unique about this football roster for the Broncos is that
they have so many players that can play in so
many different spots. And I think Zach Allen is the
ultimate front seven Unicorn.
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Speaker 2 (12:28):
Coach back to Zach Allen.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Is there an NFL comp historically that you can think
about the plate essentially every position in the front.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, and let's make sure we understand though his feature,
you know, is playing over that three technique he can
go to the edge. I'm sure there is. I want
to avoid any comps.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
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had a full breakdown of what we saw on Saturday.
So before we get back into Zach Allen in his
four year, one hundred and two million dollar deal and
how that affects the Broncos moving forward with guys like
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Jonathan Franklin Myers and Nick Benito in particular, what did
we see Saturday?
Speaker 7 (13:40):
We had a scrimmage. Broncos will have their first preseason
game coming.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Up a week from that Saturday this weekend in San
Francisco against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
We saw a pretty sleepy day.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It was not the fireworks that we probably anticipated or
frankly a year ago.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
It was the boat.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I thought that that Saturday scrimmage, even if it was
situational as Bowick's coming out party, it was his introduction
to me, not that he gives two craps about what
I think, but it was for me. I was like,
that's an NFL starting quarterback and that Saturday was the
first time I'd seen it really during the training camp last.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Year, well at this point last year when the first
depth charts came out, we can expect the depth chart
within the next I was gonna say thirty six hours,
like it could be as early as today, could be
as late as Wednesday morning.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
We can expect a depth chart.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
The first depth chart last year had Bo Nick's third
last year, so it was Jared Stidham one, it was
Zach Wilson two and Bo Nicks three. It's not quite
what Indianapolis did today, which was Anthony Richardson or Daniel
Jones a first as first string quarterback, but Bo was
a distant third there at this point last season. I
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think we could have expected Saturday's practice and scrimmage to
be a little slower if we had listened to what
Sean Payton had to say on Friday during his thirty
three minute press conference on a Friday afternoon, thirty three
minutes coaches asking four minute questions. He did tell us
it's going to be a lot of walkthrough. It's gonna
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be a lot of situational blow the play dead, do
it again, not live, take guys to the ground. And
that's kind of what you say.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It's what it was.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
It was a day where I thought Bonick started on
fire through some really good off platform throws. Why don't
you hear the buzzword from US quarterback idiots in the
media of off platform throws, it means any type of
throw that is not in a traditional pocket sense. When
you're you know, scrambling to your right and you throw
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slightly across your body and you know, throw a bit
of a fade away, that's an off platform throw. When
you are retreating away from a pass rush and you
end up finding an arm slot which is either high
higher than your normal arm slot and a little bit
more over the top, or if it's a little bit
more sidearm, that's an off platform throw. Bonicks showcase that
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early on there was a bad decision made by Bonnicks,
and I wouldn't call it of the variety that I've
been asking for, which is, see if you can fit
a ball in there with a lot of confidence and
maybe it gets picked off. This was like throwing the
ball off your back foot up in the air in
the back of the end zone. Overthrowing would be receiver
and Patzertan just cleaning up the mess.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Okay, So it was really really easy to see when
Caleb Williams was doing it this weekend.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
It looked like that, but not nearly as best. Okay,
so what Caleb Williams did throwing that ball in a
what I think was like a real like scrimmage move
the ball setting. I was like, that guy can't play
football for you, Like that guy can't be an NFL
starting quarterback long term if those things continue to creep.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
If you guys haven't seen the Caleb Williams video, it
was flushed out of the pocket right, very clearly a
sack's gonna happen, and he chucks a ball.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
It was like a hook shot, a Nola cookshot over
the middle of the field, five hundred live, Like, go
get the ball.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
I hope one of my guys comes down with it
rather than throwing the ball away.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
It's very clearly easy. It's very easy to see.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Rather like Williams made a terrible decision there in a
practice environment from the train guy. As a coach who's
looking at progression from a quarterback, how do you differentiate
between he was trying to he was trying to fit
a ball into a tight window that he normally wouldn't
do during the regular season.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
It's Peyton Manning, and that's what I think. The Peyton
Manning training camp experiences, right. Everybody talked about Peyton threw
a ton of picks. Yeah, in training camp, but he
was seeing he was trying to see it consistently.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
If I if I just get close.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
To touching the hot spit right, what's my red line?
Where can I get burnt?
Speaker 6 (17:40):
How do you find the difference between touching the stove
and either being overmatched or making stupid decision?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, I don't think there's ever play.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And Sean Payton was asked about this, and I believe
it was Friday's training camp post presser post practice presser
where he I think the exact question was asked of
Sean if it's good for quarterbacks to test the limits,
and he just said every play is unique, and the
way I coach every play is there's a essentially a
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right answer for every play, and so why have varying
degrees of right answer if it's training camp versus if
it's regular season. And that's where I think where you know,
the Bonnicks interception that happened to Patzertan the second was
a little bit more. It felt a little bit more
of the bad variety where he's probably gonna get his
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his He probably got his butt ripped this weekend in
in uh in meetings with John Payton.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
But he wouldn't get it. He wouldn't get ripped from
the Whufonga.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
And you could tell with Sean's reaction to that particular interception,
You're like, he kind of made the right decision. It
was a run pass option, and Hufonga came from his
two high safety alignment and was fitting down into the
box to fit the run game. But he came to
a spot about seven yards from the line of scrimmage
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in a what was more like a linebacker position linebacker stance,
and he baited Bo into throwing the glance post, which
is a deeper slant pattern, and I think he's thrown
it to Courtland Sutton, and he baited him and was
lurking low and then just jumped in the sky and
grabbed a ball out of the sky that was driven.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I mean it was. It was a red line all
that bo Nicks has.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
And it was eight feet away from the line of
scrim so close.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I mean, that's that's what made it such a unique interception.
And then he just he snatched it. Talking about Whufonga
and immediately he had blood on his on his mind man.
He was looking for blood and he was He went
pick six right off the bat.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
So when we look at these read pass option offenses
that are you know, they're obviously very prominent now throughout
the league. They hadn't really been that way three, four
or five years ago, but now as college football permeates
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
We talked about this the upward trend.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
It's not trickle down Reagan in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
You get concepts from college and the eventually get brought
into the National Football League.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
When you look at RPOs plays like that, is.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
That solely on the quarterback to have to find a
safety that's lurking in a linebacker position? Or are there
any safety valves where a center with his head up
before he snaps the ball can see that and give
some type of.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Can I call to a QB? Can I give you
a little secret? I would love to hear trick of
the trade.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So I've coached in very heavy RPO offenses and the
first time I coached in an offense where it was
basically every play was a semblance of an RPO was
not my system. I went and was hired at as
an offensive coordinator at the University of Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
To run somebody else's system.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
So I I learned everything you could learn about RPO
against really good defenses.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Shoot.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
One of the decoordinators I faced is out here today
is essentially the next guy up as the defensive coordinator
in Jim Leonard at the University of Wisconsin, one of
the best defenses. Talk about a hell of a lurking safety.
That guy hit hard. He did, and he trained other
safeties under his.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Tulits into the same thing.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
But the two tricks of the trade is this, when
you're doing it from the college level. Number One, if
it's gray, If the safety is in a gray area.
The quote that I always told I tell quarterbacks to
this day, you're never wrong to give hand the ball
off to the running back. You can always live to
see another day. So you want clarity from that safety
of what he's doing. And I'd say what Hufonga did
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was an unbelievably good acting job, but it was just
gray enough where if I'm watching the film, I said,
I'd say, hey, bo, what am I gonna tell you?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You're never wrong to give The.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Second thing is if I know that a safety or
a nickel or a linebacker that we're reading in the RPO.
It just depends on what RPO you're running, what what
run scheme you're running. Some of them are off of
a ten personnel no tight end, kind of an inside
zone where you're blocking the four down and the mic,
and there might be a hang player, a nickel or
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a dime player that you're reading. There's times where as
as the play caller, I'll have a quarterback systemically look
over to the sideline and if I think that there's
something that could be a trap that the defense is
setting that could lead to take a turnover, I just
simply tap my hand and say hand it. So I'm
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I'm making the decision pre snap for him, just knowing
that it might be a great.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
So there are there are.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Safety measures in place because there's so much happening at
the line of scrimmage for a quarterback, even outside of
an RPO offense. But you add the extra wrinkle of
having the ability to hand the ball off to a back,
take it yourself, pass to a number of three different receivers.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
How it goes. There's checkdowns in RPO football team. It
just got to be it's got to be very question.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
So there are a possiabilities for you to have like
a safety valve in place that if he's going through
this multitude of options in front of him, that you
can dumb it down to someone sees something, someone says something.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Right that that that's one hundred percent the case. The
thing that I find interesting.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
This is my explain it to me like I'm twelve
month with CRPO.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
So think about this.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
We've all seen John Gruden go on his rants about
two things that he hates about the modern game of football.
Number One, he hates the clap cadence. Despises it that
that college football has gone away from a verbal cadence
and there's no why did he Why did he hut
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hot hot easy easy, black spider two white banana right?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
He hates it.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
The other thing is he early on is cadence got
some heads to snap out on the field there.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I love that boy. I probably should watch myself there.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
It's probably hit a little too close to because I
truly coached in this exact same offense for five years
at Stanford from a from a casepective and terminology standpoint,
So they're like, what the hell's that guy doing over there?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Is that moron with a valor.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
What do he have on over there doing the other
thing that you hear, especially in the early days of
John Gruden adapting to the modern college offenses. When he's
doing his shows with quarterbacks, he calls it AAA, you
guys run that ridiculous protection offense.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
You guys call it RBO What is that all about?
And he despises it. Well.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Sean Payton and John Gruden are true contemporaries that came
up together. They carve their teeth at the same time
in the same league really with the exact same verbiage
in terminology within the West.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Coast offensive system.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
What is made in my opinion, Sean Payton so much
more relevant and hirable outside of the fact that Sean
Payton has an he hasn't had any disparaging emails towards
any classes in society like John Gruden has. It's also
because Sean Payton's been a willing to adapt to what
the college quarterbacks are really really good at it.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
He was talking about that on Friday actually, in particular
Boe in the two minute offense and utilizing those clap
cadences h to get the ball out on time, to
get his reads looking not necessarily having to look toward
the sideline. You know, get the the whole collegiate thing.
If you know you're you're throwing up for.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
The four poster boards of emoji's.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
You got it. You got the poop emoji. You've got
You've got the.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
The green marital aid emoji.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Correct the uh, the egg plant emoji.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I don't think I've seen that one. Stay, We'll steer
clear front of the egg plant.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
He was talking about how you have to you have
to adjust to what these kids.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
And honestly, that's that's what they are coming up.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
I know I'm young, but like those guys younger than
I am, what these kids have have been accustomed to
coming into the league. And the other thing that he
had to be okay with is BOE's.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
A mobile quarterback like Drew. Drew's a true pocket passer,
climb the pocket, shorter quarterback, so.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
A lot for he threw from on platform like ninety
percent of the time. I think Drew Brees actually he
revolutionized the quarterback position for how he worked in the pocket.
He had a wide base. Do you remember that his
feet would be a lot wider than you.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
Can't throw those balls at that size without having the
best platform.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
In the league. And he did, and he's the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
When I was training young quarterbacks, I would show Drew
Brees film about how to manipulate the pocket, how to
stay on platform as much as you possibly can.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
On platform, off platform with bon Nicks. This coming from
NFL Pro Insights. Did you show that last years bow
Knicks threw for eight to get nerdy high nine hundred
If we haven't been nerdy enough with RPO literally went
into RPO.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
One of guys in your ridiculous protection offence.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You gotta slow down, will you?
Speaker 7 (26:48):
Did you know this?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Last year bo threw for a league high nine hundred
and four yards, including eight touchdown passes while on the run,
which qualifies as moving at eight mile hour or more.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
This past year.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
It's the fourth most of any quarterback in the season
since twenty sixteen, only behind Patrick Mahomes back in twenty eighteen,
when Mahomes threw for nine hundred and forty five yards
nine hundred and fifty one yards. Two years after that
and two years after the nine to fifty one season
threw for over one thousand yards while on the run.
Nix is the most proficient running or throwing on the
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run quarterback in the league.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I always called a OTR because I have to. It's
a very long verboth showey yeah term. So it's a
it's an like we do on the run drills when
you're training quarterbacks. When Bonix was coming out and the
combine didn't necessarily showcase arguably his best his best trait
and that's off schedule or bootleg passing game phenomenal. The
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combine's all about on schedule three step drop from under center,
throw a slant, five step drop from under center, throw
a base out, seven step drop from under center, throw
a dig or a deep post right. That's not exactly
bo Nick's his strength. Up here you can see twenty
twenty four stats. The numbers from inside the pocket aren't
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on platform, weren't great off platform and out.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
On the move.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
That's where he makes his hay. And that's where Sean
Payton has adapted to what his skill set is more
so than what Drew Brees's skill set was. Because Drew
was a good off platform thrower, Drew is a good
on the run thrower. Drew's just really good man. He's
a really good player all around. But Sean Payton. As
the season went on, I felt like Sean was going
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more to design to throw on the run, and it
ended up opening up Bo's abilities and it grew as confidence.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
You saw both feel more comfortable.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
Did you know his final eight games in the season
were they were excellent regular seasons?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yes? Yeah, I mean obviously the playoff game wasn't.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
I'm throwing I kind of throw the playoff game out
the window. You were you were ahead of sk schedule
last year, Like I understand, I understand fans demand excellence
here in Denver, like that is, that is what you
have been given for years, is championship excellence. But after
the better part of a decade of sucking, you being
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ahead of schedule and making the playoffs last year, getting
blown out by Buffalo, who's a bona fide Super Bowl contender,
should not feel like underachievement. That's why I kind of
throw it out the window. It happens this year, then
I go, it's an abject failure.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I completely agree that you should never look at a
postseason appearance in a season where you were predicted to
win about four games as anything. He sure wins, but
you do start you started having to get into the
discussion of how does Bonicks perform in the games where
he is needed to win the game, not the defense solely,
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which is a.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Lot of what the season was Last year.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
The NFC South was a really nice safety net for
you to build your confidence as an offense, and your
defense was absolutely incredible against all teams that were below
the five hundred line.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
And those games are gonna be Cincinnati Philly this year,
maybe Houston at least one of the Kansas City games.
I think you can throw the home game against Green
Bay in there, and maybe at Washington. Like there's six
games that you're gonna have to key in where it's
bo has to elevate the team this year, at least
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from from a quick glance, those are my schedule markers
this year is you have to be excellent in those
games for the Broncos to be above five hundred. And
if you're above five hundred and those maybe even at
five hundred and those six games three and three, they're
a bona fide playoff.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Team if not competing heavily for the AFC West Crown.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
This is what what I've seen my eyes, having now
been trained a little bit more with what a training
camp looks like. This is a team that is contending
actively to win the AFC West Championship.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
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no pads on it practice today. I wouldn't expect pads
on today, tomorrow or maybe even the next day. Prior
to the joint practice tomorrow, I don't know, man, Like
the joint practices are heavy, consistently padded with San Francisco,
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maybe you'll.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Get them to the Michelle's. Maybe tomorrow might be uppers.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
So basically helmets and shoulder pads, whereas today is just
solely helmets for everybody except for essentially the interior alignment.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Like I don't wearing spiders, I.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Don't expect us to see the harder hitting, fully padded
practices that we saw at the end of last week.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, it was. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
One of the things that I've been telling you everybody
that loves football, and you know, especially guys that are
in the high school or coach or college coaching landscape.
A lot of friends that I still keep in touch
with that are reporting to training camp in college or
high school coaches in the area. A lot of people
think that the NFL's the soft league, right, It's where
you don't see a lot of padded practices. You never
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see tackling to the ground from a practice perspective.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
You're laughing, Yeah, I'm laughing at that because we went
through was it Friday's practice that was fully padded that
they went through a tackling sir get at the end
of right.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
And so that's what I think is very unique and
different about what I'm watching out here, especially last week.
Six days in a row, which doesn't sound crazy to
probably you at home, like, well, that's what they do, right,
they're professional football players. They should be practicing. But six
full practices, none of which were short of two hours
except for practice number one. Do you remember that it
(33:22):
was last Monday, a week ago Monday that was the
hour and eighteen hour softest practice we've ever seen.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
And then maybe Sean heard it because Tuesday through Friday
we're even though the one day that you had where
spiders were just gone, it was.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Two hours and twenty minute practice.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
So that's what I've been telling people is that this
is not this is not the Nathaniel Hacket training camp
of camp, feel good camp, you know camp just whatever
you're feeling, whatever your vibes are, just say, man, just
do you ben. This is a Sean Payton saying this
is how we do it. This is how we're gonna practice,
and we're gonna be physical. We're gonna have the equipment
(33:57):
on required to play the game of football. The way's
supposed be played. I got some information from just some
just some sources that I have in and around that
the overall improvements that have been made with with the
with the health of this franchise actually ties back into
the science. Bou Lowry is the guy that was brought
(34:20):
in from LSU. He's an unbelievable sports science the crossroads
of sports medicine and the strength program. He's been He's
been a godsend for the Denver Broncos in their health
that you've seen over the last two years. I've heard
that part of his belief and part of the Broncos
organizational belief in why you would go padded practices for
(34:43):
five out of six days is that you can't expect
to train soft and then all of a sudden play
hard when it counts on a Sunday. And that's what
the Broncos are doing on the It's brilliant the numbers
that we've seen of injuries. It's almost like the best
way that you could get callous to get the game
of football is by actually playing the game of football.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
That is the that's the popular term when you talk
about hitting during the training or during training camp periods
and why there's so many soft tissue injuries that happened
early on in a season as well, the players haven't
been calloused enough.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
It was, you know, you're taking it easy because.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
You're so nervous about a non contact injury in the
middle of July and August that when you ramp it
up and October twelfth comes around and you're four weeks
into the season, a guy's tearing in his acl he's
popping a hamstring, You've got rotator cuff injury.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
That's what I think they're trying to compat against right
now in practice and training camp. Obviously, no pads on today,
but it will be a physical week of practice, especially
when you go out to San Francisco for the joint sessions.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
That'll be interesting to get the news from San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
And one of my favorite follows on social media on
x is a San Francisco I would call him. He's
the ultimate Kyle Shanahan troller. But he's at practice every
single day. His name's Grant Kohne co h N. In fact,
I think we need to get him on as a
guest because he loves throwing shade at at Kyle Shanahan
(36:14):
thinks that there's a massive overpay in brock Purty, but
he will give us a very very I would say,
scathing and accurate report of what's happening from forty nine
Ers and Broncos joint practices. It's gonna be fascinating to see.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
I was looking at ESPN's latest rankings that they had
in terms of biggest position battles around the league, and
I think it's very, very easy, Like.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
Off the top of your head, what's the biggest position
battle here in Denver?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Running back?
Speaker 7 (36:42):
It is running back?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
And even closer is there is there really another? I mean,
I say wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
There's some some jockeying for position of who's wide receiver?
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Two and three? I would say, sure, yeah, sure they're
all gonna play.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And Sean proved that last year he played six to
seven receivers or six receivers throughout the course the year.
Speaker 6 (36:59):
The biggest one in Denver is without a doubt running back.
Who gets the touches outside of JK.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
Dobbins. Is it going to be your rookie that you
took in the second round in RJ? Harvey?
Speaker 6 (37:08):
Can you lean on a formerly undrafted player in Julia McLoughlin,
who Sean Payton can't stop talking about in his post
practice pressers. Do you do you even roster a fifth
round running back from last year in audrick estimate out
of Notre Dame after being a healthy scratch going into
the postseason against Buffalo, San Francisco's biggest position battle this year,
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safety and they let Talano Hufanga lead.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, and that's when I bring up Grant Cone of
San Francisco's beat great codes one of those players or
one of those members of media that will consistently point
out that you, as a franchise, meaning the forty nine ers,
chose a monster contract for brock Perty, which certainly could
argue that's the right play.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
He took him to a super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
You always search for a fifty million dollars quarterback if
you don't have one, you're looking for, correct.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
But were you?
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Did you make that decision while also paying a premium
for Trent Williams, while also paying for wide receivers. You know,
at the time, obviously it was a yuk a little
bit of Juwan Jennings. You're gonna pay him, you know.
Christian McCaffrey is a is a huge contract in George Kittle,
and you're gonna let two of your most impactful defensive
(38:24):
players walk and join the Denver Broncos organization just like that.
It's exactly what the forty nine Ers did, is they
made that decision to allow two players that I think
were highly, highly instrumental in getting to a super Bowl
in twenty twenty three for that forty nine Ers franchise.
You let him walk, and now now the Broncos are
benefiting it. I got an update just eyeball test on
(38:48):
Dre Greenlaw watching him go through some stretch. He went
through the entire Dynamics stretch. Looks bouncy, looks explosive. Everything
at this point looks like he's just being held for
cautionarily good.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Are there any players that there any players that stand
out to you right now? And I don't know if
I want to be the guy that looks three years
down the road, like when bo Is eventually do a
sixty million dollars a year contract. Who are the players
on this team that scream talanoa hufanga, that scream Dray Greenlaw,
that's scream, hey, we have to get rid of, we
(39:23):
have to get rid of Deebo, Samuel like those types
of guys that are currently on the roster right now
that when Bo gets his deal, you're eventually gonna have
to cut ties with.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I know the timing doesn't necessary, it doesn't add up
with what you're asking, But Marvin Momms Junior is a
player that at some point you're gonna find You're gonna
find out what Sean Payton really thinks about Marvin Mims Junior.
We're gonna find out how much he's utilized in the
game plan early on in this season, because it took
it took weeks to be able to really get Marvin
(39:54):
Mims activated as a as a full skill set player
as opposed to just a return man.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
I think afting tells you the answer to that question
way more than anything else.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
I like the fact that you brought brought up a
wide receiver, right.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
They're always gonna draft one, if not two, wide receivers
every single year. Mims is the only wide receiver in
the book that doesn't fit the prototype for Sean Payton.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
So he hasn't gone out, He hasn't gone out and
drafted a four to three forty guy that's fired even right,
He's allowing it to breathe and marinate with mims.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
If I look at last year's draft, you know the
player that comes to mind that when when Bo's do
his you know the guy who's gonna be the short
end of the chopping block or chopping block.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Is it gonna be Devon?
Speaker 6 (40:38):
I don't think it's Devon Vley. I think it's on
the defensive side. Brother, I think it's Riley Moss.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
There's a reason why you drafted Ja Day Baron, right,
It's because you need to have that that go to
nickel player. But eventually, when your quarterback needs sixty million
dollars a year, you're gonna have to cut a couple
of guys.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
I'll tell you guys who are going to be due
to get paid.
Speaker 6 (40:56):
This.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
This is that people are that are listening to this
right now are gonna row whatever at their at their radios,
in their car, French fries or maybe some Chick fil
a sauce. But the replacement for Riley Moss eventually is
not going to be John A. Barron is an outside
corner You've seen him rage does is he built with
the length required to play outside cornerback in today's NFL.
Speaker 7 (41:18):
No, he's got a Jabrill Peppers build.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
He's a nickel.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
It's okay, it's gonna be Chris Abrams Drain. That guy's
had a really good training camp. Chris Abrams Drain had
a really nice end of the season. The second matchup
in Los Angeles against the Chargers, the interception right before halftime.
I like his length, I like his he looks like
a plug and play corner. And in fact, if if
you ever did have a significant injury to a Riley
(41:45):
Mosster Patzer ten the second the next outside cornerback up
at that position, I believe wholeheartedly is ka d Chris
Abrams Strain.
Speaker 6 (41:53):
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