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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you care?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah? Yeah, uh do.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
You care that the first team offense didn't look sharp
in game one the preseason?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Is it even mildly concerning to you?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I could not care less. I think they're gonna be good, man.
I think that if unless I see that in week one,
in the first two series against the Tennessee Titans, uh,
then I there's no There's nothing that I could see
that would make me believe they're going to regress at all,
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not not even in the slightest So I uh no, man,
I have I'm a shoulder shrug on that. Big deal.
No big, it's no biggie. Not only that, but vic
I also believe that even if the offense does regress,
this defense is gonna be so damn good. I mean,
you want to win a bunch of fifteen to ten games,
That's fine with me, man, sounds good. I look, I'd
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like to be entertaining, but this defense is gonna to
kick some major butt.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'd be lying if I if I.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
If I said I wasn't a little disappointed with bow
knicks and some of his throws, but I think they can.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It can be fixed. Yeah, it can be easily fixed.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I just think he's got to learn, especially when throwing
the ball to Courtland, Sutton put some air under it,
let him go get it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
He did once Courtland dropped it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm not concerned. Look, I would have felt better if
they played better, but I don't. I don't put much
stock into it. I'm sure they'll have it figured out
by the time the first week rolls around. I disagree
with something that you said the MO they have no
excuse to regress.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Agreed, they have no excuse. Yeah, I completely agree, Keeter.
I don't know when to make it sound like I
would make an excuse or I would think that they would.
But if for some reason they did. Look, I mean,
even if God forbid, knock on your wood boys, if
something happened to bow Nicks or whatever, that defense, I
think he's just gonna ball out all year long. I mean,
I just think they're gonna be really good. So I
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don't have any concerns whatsoever. The only regression would be okay, well, really,
I mean I know that when defensive coordinators get film
on a guy and a lot of film and what
it is now, it's not that it's not that they're
gonna be able to stop him completely. But they want
to take away what makes him comfortable and then force
him to do other things. And that's when the best
quarterbacks start to really elevate their game because they go
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off script and they go off of what really they
really like to do. But I think he's gonna be
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well, look at that play where he took the safety
on the penalty.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I mean they brought a blitz, he didn't see it
in time, he turned his back and drew a penalty. Yeah,
and he's gonna look at that and say, God, I
should have just checked down to the running back over
the middle who was wide open.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Just take your losses. Maybe he's trying something though, maybe
he wants to.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Maybe the play call was one that, hey man, we'll
take our chances. I'll try and spin out of this
and see if I can go deep because I know
he's gonna be there. I don't know, but in a game,
the proper play there is to check it down to
that running back.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
That's the proper play. If there's good things that happened offensively,
I mean, Stidham looked good. If anybody cares, your backup
quarterback look pretty good. Made a great throw to Shearfield
right before the end of the half to get a
touchdown and a great catch by by Sherfield.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
To hole that. Let me put some truth sermon too.
You sure open open wide? Do you really care? Nope? Okay, okay,
I mean he did, he did, And I like Jared's Didham.
I have no reason to not like Jarrets Didham. But
I mean the fact of the matter is bon Nix
is your one. Right, nothing can't listen to. I'm just
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saying he's your one, dude.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'll say this. There has been times and there is
going to be a time where Bonnicks is gonna have
to miss a couple of weeks for one ailment or another.
And if you could keep it together with your backup quarterback,
it's always a good thing. Then have a backup going.
Remember when Tua went down and they didn't know how
long he was going to be out after that concussion
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there like could be like a week, could be eight weeks,
and they brought in who was it? Was it Skyler
Thompson and it's just like, oh God, you have no
shot to win when this guy came in the end
League zero. It's good to know that you've got somebody
that can at least hold it together.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The nice thing is, and you're when you said the
word regression talking about the offense. One thing I think
is really going to help in that department is if
they have a running game, which I was very encouraged
from what I saw from Harvey early in that game.
I was encouraged hell from what I saw from guys
like Bidet and Blake Watson. I thought that they looked
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explosive when they had a hole, they burst through. It
picked up big games. Jaliel had a big run that
was called back if you guys remember, Yeah, he took
one all the way like thirty yards to the pylon
and then I don't know if it was a hold
or whatever, whatever it was.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Let's not discount something too that this is a factor,
and you may not think it is. During the regular season,
the whole week is basically run throughs un There's not
much physicality. Yeah, last week Thursday, they got physical. That
was like a game they got physical with the with
the Niners. So I'm not saying they played two games
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one week, but maybe their bodies weren't quite there yet.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Maybe that's they're trying to get them calloused.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Right, Yeah, maybe that's one reason why the starters didn't
look as sharp as we think.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
They should. Let them build that that.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Cardio because they're gonna need it. They're not in game
shape quite yet.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
On the texture says basically that we should be more
concerned about the offense. I'll just I mean, I'll just
throw this out there. There's a couple of different guys
fro at the course of this preseason, a couple of
different teams that I looked for, in which it's always
obviously more encouraging when you do well than when you
do poorly, but you can be faked out a lot
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by this stuff. Like I'll tell you this much, there's
a couple of teams that I got my eye on
because I think they face really interesting situations that just
other teams don't Like the Broncos. There really isn't questions.
We said a heading into camp, there's not a lot
of questions surrounding this team. Basically, you knew every starter
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the first day we got there for camp, right. There
wasn't really position battles. It was just like, we know
exactly what the team looks like. Let me ask you
a question Jackson's Dart in New York had a pretty
good first game for them, big touchdown pass, he threw
one hundred and some yards, blah blah blah. Do you
remember what they did before camp even started, when they
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had Russell Wilson, Jamis Winston, Jackson Dark. Davill just went
out and said Russell Wilson's the starter on this football team,
without even a practice. He just said he's the starter.
And I'm curious if Jackson Dark plays well, how short
is that leash for Russell Wilson, Like, is it too
bad games and he's gone.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I don't know. But he did play pretty well preseason game.
I mean he really did. Russell only threw a couple
of passes then got the heck out of there. He
looked pretty good, did the rookie. But I mean, you
have it clearly established and ready to go. I don't know.
I think Dave Ball realizes that, I mean, is his
job on the line, because if it is.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Oh my god, most yeah, he's one of those guys.
He could be fired a month in the season if
things Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
So if it is, you're gonna go with the guy,
You're not You're not You're not playing a rookie unless
he just completely balls out, and I know the Jackson
Art team.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Meanwhile, in Cleveland, the reaction from UH Cleveland Browns head
coach Kevin Stefanski after Shadoor Sanders shined in his debut
was one of hmm, I don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
We ain't talking about that. Let's take a look at
our personnel and see what we have. But he was
so he did.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
He did everything he possibly could to dodge the Shadoor
Sanders question.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I think he understands the powder keg that surrounds any
answer with him, and I think he's doing his best
to avoid it. Like if he came out and goes, wow,
he played a lot better than I thought he'd play,
and he's gonna get first team reps down next week,
he can't do that because it would just be a firestorm.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So he also said, look, yeah, he's he said, look,
he's got things to work on to clean up. I
mean that that was the first thing out of his mouth,
not like, hey, yeah, he played pretty dang good.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I think that's the mission of the whole team is
downplay it, downplay it. Downplay it. Just keep downplaying it,
don't say anything. Don't I think that from day one
that was.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Their mission on handling this situation.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Like, don't you guys think that Maybe part of the
reason why schadur fell is that a lot of teams
didn't see him as a starter. They saw him as
a backup, and then they did that sort of like
balance scale of backup attention distraction stuff, you know, the
same thing that happens with guys like uh. Tebow certainly
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had some of that when he lost when the Broncos
brought in Manning, he was looking for a gig somewhere
else and he went was it the Jets after the Broncos?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Right, yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And teams are just kind of like, if I'm not
bringing this guy into start, how much of the distraction
of him just being there is going to be worth it?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
But this guy, I mean, in my mind, should Dors
Sanders is going to be a starter or that's what
the long term goal is, not a career backup in
the national foot Yeah, I mean, he's got tremendous ability.
Showed it off.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Use your eyes did you watch the game? What did
your eyes tell you that he can. Told me I'll
take that over Kenny Pickett. I'll tell you take it
over Kenny freaking Picket.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I mean his two touchdown passes.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
That first touchdown toss, I defy you to find a
better pass over the weekend to have a throw.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
He threw it in hive where only receiver could catch it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yep, yep, kind of rolling out the the opposite way, yep.
I mean it's he played well. And I'm telling you
you said earlier Vic. People point out the quote flaws
of Shador and it's just that's I think more of
a matter of perspective, like he does have for all
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of the things that you would knock him for. His
big thing was he holds on the ball too long.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
He did that.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I watched the game. He took a couple of sacks,
and he had a couple of plays where he was
like held onto it for five seconds of evading pressure
and blah blah blah. But I'll tell you as far
as two details that you go unquestioned about him. Number One,
he might be the toughest sob I've ever seen in
my life. The amount of shots that he took last
year at see you and kept popping back up. Was
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pretty crazy. Number Two, He's a riser to the occasion,
Like I'm telling you. The most impressive thing to me
about that was that has to be one of the
more anticipated preseason debuts of a player that we've seen
in a long time, just because of the attention and
the story surrounding him. And God, did he live up
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to the moment. He played great. And he always seems
to do that. How many times last the last couple
of years, guys, was see you down late in the
game and you're like, they need a touchdown here, and
he just throw a touchdown on the board. You know
what I mean. Happened over and over again. He rises
to the occasion when it's called upon. That's big time.
One other thing, real quick, I'm curious what you guys
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think about this. There's a team in the NFL that
was really good last year that is now trying out
a new quarterback. Camp hasn't gone well for him so
far according to reports, and he didn't have a great debut.
I mean, Minnesota was fourteen and two heading into the
final week last year, got rid of their quarterback, and
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now they're doing this McCarthy thing. I still wonder what
happens if that team goes like nine to eight this year.
How did they react?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Well, I think the decision was pretty simple. Donald can
get us there, but not get us over the top,
over the hump. They can get it, you know, and
they want a quarterback long term that can get us
over the hump. Yeah, that was their decision. You're gonna regress.
You're gonna regress because you're going to a rookie. Essentially,
he didn't play last year. So the regression you just
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gotta pay for. You got to eat it. But you
think his ceiling is so much higher than the guy
you had before, that's what your banking like.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Imagine imagine this moj The Broncos go fourteen and three
with Russell Wilson, they lose the first game of the playoffs,
and you kind of know there's a ceiling there, and
then they go to blow knicks and they go like
eight and nine the next year. What do you do
with that?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Right? I well, no, I completely agree. But when you
look back at that draft, Okay, you look at Caleb Williams,
you look at Jayden Daniels, Drake May. I'm just going
through the quarterbacks, Pennix, McCarthy and Nix. What did I say?
I said, two of these guys are gonna be studs,
two of these guys are probably going to, uh, you know,
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be okay NFL quarterbacks, and two we're going to flame out.
I don't know who's who yet overall, but Jayden Daniels
pretty damn awesome and Bonix had a terrific rookie year.
Those two are the standouts right now. Caleb did not, obviously,
but Karthy was hurt, Pennix didn't play all that much,
and Drake May it feels like they do like him. Yeah,
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they do. And now the Rabel's in there, maybe, look,
things will happen for him. But right now, it's the
second overall pick, in the twelfth overall pick. Out of
those six quarterbacks, it's those guys that have shined the
most so far. So listen, if I'm Minnesota VIC and
I picked him tenth overall, he's still my guy and
he's still a rookie. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Some news over the weekend if you guys missed it,
that is going to make for a very busy holiday
coming up soon. We'll get to it. Next. It's gonna
be a pretty busy Christmas for us here in town
because you have the Broncos playing the Chiefs that night,
and also the late game in the NBA on Christmas
Day is going to be the Tea Wolves at the Nuggets.
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So it sounds like VIC there's probably gonna be a
little crossover betause. Yeah, yeah, a.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Little bit, thankfully that.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, the way it's gonna work, the Broncos game will
probably carry you through nine to nine thirty. Yeah, Nuggets
will be at halftime at that point, so you'll catch
the second half of Nuggets clean.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Doesn't that game on Christmas Day? Does that start usually
later than even usual primetime games?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Thirty?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Depends on I don't. I don't know the exact tip off,
but we knew it was gonna happen. Yeah, I knew
it was going this way.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
What's a crazy day for Denver fans. They'll think about that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You enjoy time with your family, then you have Broncos
and Nuggets the same night.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
On Christmas Night.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Snuggle up on the couch, wait in, look at your
new toys that you got your new gifts, and then uh,
watch the Broncos and the the Nuggets close things out,
but yeah, it's gonna be a very busy Christmas later
in the year. Something else. I saw a picture of
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Johnny Damon. I don't know what's happening here, but Johnny Damon.
And maybe it's just like you. I watched an athlete
that was, you know, an all star during my lifetime
and and he was seen as some sort of hunk
in the MLB. Have you guys seen the picture of
him when he was wearing the pin stripes over the weekend?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
A little, uh, little chunky.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
How can I how can I describe Johnny Damon? Well,
Vicky's got I mean his hair now, it's long. It's
how you describe.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It, Brett, I can't see anything there.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, he's got long hair, and he's a little thickened,
a little little little it's like he's the the neck
down is going to Sabbathia Route.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
He's going Giant Niggan and.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
The next the neck up is going like, uh, you know,
Robert plant led Zeppelin route. Why was he in That
wouldn't mean anything to you, Vic, but that's that's what
I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Why was he in uniform? Oh? Was this the the
old timers game that that uh yeah, that the Rivers Achilles.
It's always dangerous, really dangerous.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You know the Yankees. The Yankees have had these old
timers games forever, right, It's always been a tradition with
the Yankees. What I think of Yankees old timers. I'm
thinking of Joe DiMaggio. And now it's like Andy Pettitt,
Johnny Damon, and I'm going like, good God, do I
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have one foot in the grave already? I mean, don't
don't answer that, but you know what I mean. It's like,
good God, when I was a kid, you know, and
here comes the greatest loving ball player, Joe Demagio, Phil Rizzuto, right,
And I was like Andy Pettitt, I'm like, I think,
I just I just pats hurt. What world do we
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live in? Where? Johnny Damon?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
But you know, it's funny about athletes when they retire,
most like offensive lineman and.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Football, they drop way, they melt, you know, they drop weight.
They like they transform other positions.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Running backs. Look look at a.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Retired running back as opposed to a retire offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah, lineman gets smaller.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, it's always weird that works.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Hockey play by play, guys get bigger.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
The Yankees have held an Old Timers game since nineteen
forty How old were the guys in the Old Timers
game in nineteen forty seven? What did I say?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Nothing? All right?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
What'd you say?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So? He cracked a joke about me, like getting bigger
or something.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Now you never do that, losers.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Not with this show.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Look sitting in an XL. Pretty good.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Now, it's it's an excel slim vic. Yeah, that's what
that is. It's a slim fit Excel.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
By the ways, off today, back at it. Tomorrow will
be a training camp tomorrow through Thursday.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Cardinals will have a joint practice with the Broncos on Thursday,
and then game time Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And this is it. This is the final week of
training camp officially, and then they're on their own.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Whatever. Yeah, so are you into the are you part
of me? Because because the first team offense kind of
spluttered around a little bit, I do want to see
that second preseason game. You know, all right, let's let's
get some things in order, you know, let's let's do
it right. Let's kick it up a notch here, feel
good about it. You know that sort of thing. And
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that's again what Saturday night right on NFL NET. So okay,
kick it up a notch, you know, do your think,
get back into the positive flow. But the other part
of me is like, man, I just want to get
to Week one against Tennessee. I did just want to
get to that day first game.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Did Peyton and apologize if I miss this? Did he
say if the starters were playing in all of the
preseason or did he just talk about that game specific.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I'm not sure if he specified all the preseason.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
He just talked about that last game last week that
the guys are going to go Yeah, because I wonder
if they're going to continue to do that.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Well, would you if you're Sean Payton, with what you
saw out of that first team offense, would you want
to see them run a couple more series.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Part of me feels like, if you're doing the joint practices,
then I don't know if I would feel like this
need to run my starters out there every week during
the preseason. I feel like the joint practices are a
version of that. I guess you want bringing people to
the ground totally still.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
See the physicality level.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I mean it goes up when they're doing these practice
sessions against the other team, so it feels like a game.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well that's what I'm saying. Like, if you're doing that
which they did last week, and then they're doing it
again this week, I feel like you don't you don't
have to trot your guys out there again, because you like,
there's always that balance right between experience and not getting
guys hurt in games that don't matter, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Hey, we talked about Shador Sanders debut. Would you guys
think of Travis Hunter.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I don't know how much of a look you saw
from Travis Hunter, and my I have one taken away.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Way too early to say this.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He looks very slight he.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Does on defense.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He I noticed the same thing. So look, I didn't
watch the Jags game.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I don't know when it was on whatever, but I
saw somebody put a package of all the plays that
tramas Hunder was on both offense and defense. And I
will say, what's fun with him? Especially on offense? So
he caught this little I think it was just a
like a bubble screen. But when as we know very well,
when he turns the Jets on it was only like
a five yard play, but it's like he goes from
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zero to one immediately, and I just think that's cool.
But I noticed the same thing as you, Vig. He
looked the same thing I said about Bryce Young when
he got in the league. I said, he looks small,
and I don't mean like height and stuff, but there's skinny.
Yeah that, It's just it's noticeable in the league.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Well, the reason I say it is if you're gonna
play him a corner end receiver and he's got to hit,
you know, he's got to take on blockers full bax
tight ends. He's got to hit running backs coming at
him full speed. It's only a matter of time, guys.
I mean that is not gonna be easy. I'm not
taking away from his toughness, all right. We've seen him
to the Saint College though. Man, this is the NFL.
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These are big dudes coming at you.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
It's not about toughness, and it's not about conditioning, because
he's got that down too. I don't think conditioning is
a problem. It's the amount of hits that you're gonna
have to take.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And his body take that.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, right, Well, I mean we heard Devonte Adams last
week say there's no way he can do it because
you're you're just doubling the amount of hits. And if
that's the case, you're not gonna be able to play
at your best level at either position. You're gonna have
to pick one and then spot duty the other. If
that's what it is right now, they do have to
save him from himself because he wants to do everything.
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He wants to do it all. He's always done it all.
I get that there might come a time again, Vic
when you it's not just this hit and that hit
and that hit. It's the accumulation of hits. Yeah, the
accumulation of bam. I mean, the biggest men in the
fastest men in the world, blowing you up. And it's
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the accumulation that takes its toll. Maybe he'll save himself
from himself down Beline, Well, he.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Tried to make an arm tackle in the game the
other night and I just ran right out of it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
That's not work in the National Football League. You gotta
use your body to make a tackle. Arm tackles don't
work here.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And I just wonder through the course of many games
how much that'll impact which.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Side of the field right now.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
If it were my call, just play Mountain offense and
then ease him in a defense. Ease man. I think
they're gonna do it the opposite way.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I know.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I don't know why I would.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I think he's more of an offensive player, really yeah,
because of the fridge only. I just think he's not
got get some meat on those bones.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Like look at look at some of the DB's when
you when you watch the Broncos. Patrick Certani is filled
out right, Riley Moss's body is filled out today. Barron,
he might be small, but he's filled out. It just
seems like Travis looks skinny out there.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
You know, he's one of those I I think when
he came out for the draft, you know, some people
had him as the highest rated wide receiver and highest
rated corner. I think there was a bigger gap between
him and the next best corner, which I think was
probably barren than it was between him and the wide
receivers that came out in that same draft class. But
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if you were to choose a position or two positions
that you would even have a remote chance at doing
at the same time, it would be those two, right.
You couldn't be like a a left tackle and a
defensive end. That would be insane. You're gonna kill somebody.
You're you're too physical in the trenches every single play.
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You couldn't even do it a running back. Running back
takes too many hits. You couldn't play both sides if
if there's one way to do it. And I just
will say this, I just think it's so damn cool
that somebody's trying.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Oh I do too, but I put it this way
when I saw it. You know, when you think about it,
you like, of course you can do.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
But when I saw it, I was like, I understand
now where people pause. You think the physicality is going
to make a bigger difference on defense than offense, because
I think it'd be offense.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Well, I just think there's ways that offensive players can
avoid physicality.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
They know how to absorb it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Get down to get down on the ground.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Dude, when you're a corner and they're running.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
A play to the outside, you got to take on
the blocker and then you got to try to.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Make a tackle. Yeah, your luck with that. You gotta
you got a guard pulling right right at you. Have
fun with that.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
That's where you ever had a guard you ever played
corner in the guard polls and you got to take
on that guard, or you got to take on the
fullback or the tight end. I don't care who the
hell it is. You gotta take the b to allow
your teammate to make a tackle.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
That's Brett Kine making a business decision.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
No, I was a hitter. I'd hit people I had,
I had there was one play that we ran. They'd
put me in motion. They would intentionally not block the
defensive end, so they'd have the entire offensive line push
to the left as I'm motioning in. They would run
a toss towards my side, and every time defensive end
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had no idea was it was just a free hit.
It was almost I felt cheap doing it because every
time the guy is not looking for it. But I would,
I would. I would go for what's his name? Who's
the hockey guy who got in the golf fight. What's
his name? Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I can't remember his name?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Oh uh.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Bye?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Like that? Yeah that was me bye.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Anyway, Yeah I I I think it's just it's cool
to see him actually giving this a shot, and who
knows what it's actually gonna look like. Like, I don't know, Vic,
did you see how many plays total that he had
in that game?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Because that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
No, I did not.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I didn't get the total number. I mean he didn't
play as much. He didn't play the whole game. I
mean you're talking about just minimal exposure. Yeah, you get
a seventeen game season of exposure doing that.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I just don't know how long you hold up.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Oh, it's tough. Most it was, by the way, was
it was a Nick Tarnaski Tarnasky is right. Uh, most
just quickly here because I think this happened after you
guys got off the air on Friday, that the the
ABS wropped back Kiev roont on a one year, one
two five deal. Thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
He's he's a bottom six guy. Remember you remember me
talking about the bottom six and I said, I think
they're gonna have to fill that out a little bit.
They'd like a young guy to be able to take
over a role there on the bottom six, but they
need to fill that out a little bit old. Now,
I was assuming he's like, yeah, he's like twenty nine thirty.
He's right there somewhere. But I was I was saying
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to everybody you know, they just gotta. They gotta whether
the move comes now or it comes sometime in the season,
I think they're going to address it. Well, that was
me assuming that Kivvy was gonna be gone. I thought
that he was going to be out of there. He's yeah,
he's twenty nine years old. I thought he was going
to be a goner. But it's a team, you know,
it's good for him and what one point too, I
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think it is and good for the team because obviously
he knows this team. And Kivvy, you know, he's he's
kind of like an offensive cuckoo clock. You know, he
shows up, he goes cuckoo cuckoo. Right, there's a couple
of goals and then and then then he's gone for
a while. Yeah, but he's he's a good p K
or dude. His motor is always going and he's a
guy that again Jared Bednar, every time he throws him
(27:43):
on the ice, he's pretty damn assured exactly what kind
of shift he's going to get.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Well, by far the best year of his career. Last
year he had sixteen goals. He's never had more than
eight in the season previous to that.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But I'm not sure that I would expect that to continue, Brett,
And that's not a that's not a slide on kivvy
at all.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
But again, he cuckoo clocked. It's he shows a cuckoo.
Cuckoo gets a couple.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Of tallies and then he's then he's back for a
long time, right, and then he comes back out. So
where'd a lot of guys like that over the years?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Where are they at right now? How many more guys
do they need?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Really, they don't need any more. You still have Logan
O'Connor who's out and going to be out right, but
he'll he'll eventually show up, and then you're gonna have
again an opportunity for a couple of young guys to
take a spot on that blue line. Not on the
blue line, I'm sorry, in that bottom six you're going
to have a cheat.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Your best guess? Is it Ivan?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Ivan?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Is it? Steinberg?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Push up off? Who is it?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I think it's any guy that proves in training camp
that he wants to be there, And it's not just that.
Here's what if you're the Colorado Avalanche, what the ultimate
goal is You take that spot and you play well
enough that you're never gonna give it up so they
don't have to do anything right, that you are going
to be relied upon, that you are now a true
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NHL or brot. I really don't know. The fact of
the matter is though all these guys are still young guys.
They're still young guys. And of course they made the
deal with with the San Jose Sharks. Right Allison is gone,
They're gonna have guys grinding and looking for real opportunity
to stick with the parent club. Let's hope that somebody
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actually grasps control and takes it.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
What's crazy is that we're about a month away from
training camp.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
That's what's crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Is it crazy for you guys to think about this
that hey, gablandis dog is back playing gablandistog hockey.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
No, I think I've already had that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I mean you had that moment, Vick. Yeah. What about
when you see him a training camp just doing game stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I mean, he's back. I mean I don't know what
else to say. He's got a new knee, he's ready
to go.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
It took me about like that first game was like
cute to welcome home, but I was still like I
don't know if this guy could play or not. And
then about I think it took about two games I
was like, oh, he's still a really good hockey player.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Good. But when you talk about top six, right, you
talk about you know, the the the way the lines
are going to be configured by Jered Bednar, You're like, oh, yeah,
Landy right there on the A line there with brought
elf and no big deal.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Well, I'm excited about me.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It's the first it's the first time in three flipping years,
bro that we've been able to actually, oh, yeah, that's
that's what the assignment.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Well, I'm more excited that they just got a year
now where they can get their chemistry down as opposed
to like trying to throw that together in the middle
of the playoffs, where it's like brock Nelson was already
new trying to figure things out, and then it's like here,
Tack Atlantiskog, do something with this, right.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
You guys will be happy to know.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I'm hearing that Jamal Murray spend an awful lot of
time and continues to do so in Denver training working
looks good.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It didn't looks good, didn't John Wallace tell us that
about a month ago that he was like he spent
the summer in Denver working out, which, yeah, it's good
to hear.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Looks fit.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Meanwhile, Joker in that euro Basket training camp, pregames, friendly games.
What do you do the other day against Grease twenty
three and nineteen?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah? Hum mm hmm do you guys? You guys my tweet? No,
if you up didn't happen to catch the tweet I
had about that?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
No, I didn't, I said, was my day did not
stop when I saw that tweet?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Now, well it should have, because I retweeted twenty twenty
three nineteen and what something seven or something whatever it
was in twenty seven minutes. I said, Oh, I couldn't
have happened to a nicer country.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Oh you're taking a Oh yeah, I'm taking a rip
at Grease?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yes, yes, mos, your elephant. An elephant never forgets, bro,
I will not.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I one day want to go to Greece and have
a euro You guys are fine people.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Do you think I've never hold on? Man, I've never
been to Greece. And all the Panathonikos, all those fans,
they're the only people. Everybody else is totally cool. It's
the Panathonikos peeps that that we have a problem with.
Do you think the euro in Greece is any better
like the pizza in Italy?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, I'm a connoisseur of Euros, dude, I mean, listen,
I can I can house a good Euro all over
the pulled.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Up I've asked the super sandwiches in Euros.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I am the king.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I've asked this question before, and I don't think there's
a single person that has ever disagreed with me. I
was previously, in a previous life of mine, an expert
at the stumble out of the bar two am and
find the food truck game like that. That was I was.
I was an expert at it, and I've been to
multiple euro trucks. Okay, if the guy had the Greek accent,
(32:54):
I knew it was gonna be an absolute banger. Okay,
if they have the accent of the food they make,
it's like you're in for the best experience.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Like dumb question.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I'm not an authority on Euros, but isn't a Euro
basically a taco? No no no, no, no, no no
no no.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You are so out of it man.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
The delivery vehicle.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Is it's folded bread like a t but it's first,
it's a pa It's got it's like the lamb meat
with with the tomatoes and the zeky sauce and the onions.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's it's it's a whole thing. Bro, God, how would
you why would you even ask that? Questions?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So stupid?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Shut up? Thick?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Okay, So what's got on a euro and a seven?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Isn't it isn't a piece of just sort of like
a pancake?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, exactly, I mean, bro, stupid.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Don't think you can take a shot at me with
the seven eleven burrito joke, because I'm not having it.
I'm just curious. I'm just curious if it's the hamburger.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Just kind of like a boloney sandwich, you know, it's
got two pieces of bread.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Is there anybody who's been anybody listening in our earshot
right now that's been to grease and can tell me
if a greekyidle is better than like a guy from Greece.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Quit pronouncing it like you're from there.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I'm not saying Gyro and I'm not saying Euro. I'm
saying Youuro. That's the way it's supposed to be pronounced.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
One of those freaks on the news who keeps rolling
his rs incessantly.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Bro, I'm just curious, texture wonders. Isn't spaghetti just lomaine.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Ramen? Is a gnocchi? Just sort of a cheesy pizza
pocket pizza roll? M How's how's that treat you.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
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Speaker 2 (35:07):
I got a real problem, Brett, I got a real problem.
I got a real problem with your partner over there. Yeah, hey, Vic,
when you were growing up and your mom sent a
lunch with you to UH to school every single day,
what kind of sandwich did you have?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Mortaldella perscooto?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Gosh come I okay. Do you see the way he's
pronouncing that dude like he's, oh, look at me, I'm
some sort of fancy European.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I'm gonna be dead. I'm gonna be dead. Serious. Vic
could have made up the last two and I have
no idea if he's making them.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Up me too.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I say, here's the difference.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Here's okay, here's because you have Italian blood.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yeah, okay, that's my first thing.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
That's my first language. I'm allowed to do that. Yours
Greek as I I am Irish.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
So enough with the yeah, okay, well I got Nick.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I say this stits.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Although you can't speak German at all anyway, man, But
one of my favorite movies of all time, and I'm
not afraid to say it, so I'm gonna say it.
I loved My Big fat Greek Wedding. I love that movie.
I thought it was hysterical. Man. The old man was great.
But when he's introducing his whole family on the front
lawn to uh, to the dude's parents, he's like, this
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is Nick, Nick, Diane, Nick, Diane, Nick, Nick and Diane,
and so we get Nick, who chimes in on the
text line. It's so Greek, man, Nick is so Greek,
he says, most love how you're saying it. Greek citizen
here living in Denver, heros and not tacos vic I
love that. So according to a true Greek named Nick,
(36:54):
you can't make it up. I'm kicking ass with that one, killing.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It killing watch him hung right now? Does this surprise you?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
We just lived through an era of the NFL that
was dominated by the veteran quarterbacks. Name the greatest qbs
from I don't know, like six seven years ago, and
it was Manning, Brady, Roger, Ayron, Yeah, it was Breeze,
Donold was in, there was.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Well, you know what I'm saying though, that that era
of quarterback he felt like those guys from age thirty
years old to forty two.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
We call that a mature era.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yes, how many quarterbacks do you think are over the
age of thirty right now? Starting qbs?
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Aaron Rodgers is one?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Aaron Rodgers one?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
A Aaron sat.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Stafford's thirty seven?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Two? Let me go up and down? Gino Smith, Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Gina Smith is three? Is thirty four? Russell Wilson, Yes,
thirty six. There's four of them, Okay, Joe Flacco starts.
Flacco is counted on those lists.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
He will start five. How old is Dak?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Dak's thirty two? That's six, Ah Boom could play. And
then you have two thirty year olds in Jared Goff
and Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
But the guys that I would say the older guard, right,
the guys who are mid forty or mid thirties are higher.
That is Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford, Joe Flacco,
and Aaron Rodgers not quite the older guard that we
saw in the last generation, which means all of the
guys that we're seeing right now that are really good.
(38:37):
I mean, think about it, your best quarterbacks. Mahomes is
still twenty nine, Josh Allen is still twenty nine, Lamar
Jackson is twenty eight, Joe Burrows twenty eight. Like that
guard that's going to be that group is still like
seven years away from being in that category. That's what's
crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Are we are we to think that those guys are
going to be as good in their mid to late
thirties as that previous group was. I mean, Josh Allen
runs the ball a lot. I know he's a big
studley dude, but he runs the ball a lot. Are
they still gonna be that same with Lamar? Are they
still gonna be that effective when they're you know thirty
five thirty six.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Lay ran the ball a lot and he played into
his late thirties. You know, if you avoid serious injury,
there's no reason why you can't the question is how
many of these guys are gonna want to play that
long given the money's so different now, the financial incentives
for playing that position now they make so much more,
and maybe you just lose that edge.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I don't know, we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Those can say, you know, they're pretty protected though. These
guys don't really take shots all that much anymore, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Dude, if you ask John Away, hey, would you like
to play in an era where they can't hit you late,
They can't jostle your wide receiver to the ground basically
when the ball's in the air.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, they protect you at all costs, even when you're
out of the pocket. They can't hit you helmet to
helmet head on, and you could pretty much do what
you want as a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
You think you think he'd thrive in this air a
little bit?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Most?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Why not? Would he would be one of those guys
that plays well into his forties. It feels like right.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
So let me ask you today if if John played
today's game, if he played today, would he be the
best quarterback in the National Football League?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I think you probably would be. Yeah. I mean, Brett,
do yourself a favor because he was gone before you
really started being a human. I mean you were still
kind of a mango, you know, a mongo little cure member.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Super Bowl, I remember it.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Go back and watch some of his throws, dude, watch
his rollouts in his in his you know, I get
so enamored with the hip swivel and everything. But just
go watch it, dude, and watch the football through the air.
I mean it made the air mad, the football did
because they were so much darts, such power. It was
a total joy. John, if you're listening, you've heard me
(41:06):
say it before. It was a total joy to watch
you throw the football and play the game. Man. Yeah
he would. He would kill it today, absolutely kill.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
You think Joe Montana, who could process the team and
throw a ball in a window that you think he'd
do well today?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
He's a bum. Just kidding.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I have to say Otto graham Man, he auto graham
Man with a single face mask.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Lan Dawson, I have to say something. I have to.
It's must. Tom Brady is one plastic surgery thing away
from me being like you're gross to look at I
just I have to say it. He looks plastic. He's
(41:49):
enough enough with your fillers and your boatoxes and you
like it's okay to have a wrinkle on your forehead
for crying out?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
What did where did he see this?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:59):
When he was doing is he did the statue on
veil at at uh in Foxborough and so he did
the speech and I'm like kind of over the Brady speeches.
But he somebody said it he looks like Uncle baby
Billy and he really does.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, he kind of does.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
Are you a legend that Baby Billy's gotten the plastic
work done too well?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I mean the big fake teeth and the just like
it's I can't be the only one that that is
bothered by looking at Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
What's that actor's name that plays Uncle Baby Billy.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Walton?
Speaker 3 (42:32):
So does he have fake teeth or those is real?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Oh, he's got those are fake.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
I think those are I think those are real.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
He's got pretty big teeth. He's got pretty big teeth.
He's got little Tommy uh Freeman, uh Freddy Freeman going on.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
No way, those are his real teeth.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Next time I watch his commercial for the the Goggin Goggles,
I will I'll check it out. I'll really pay attention.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Because yeah, they they're there. There's some Freddy Freeman's man,
and Freddie ain't rocking his real his real stuff in there.
He's got that, he's got the high beams that are
on you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
You don't never.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Understood that's Freddy's real, real grill. No chance, are you
kidding the fake t thing? You know, because eventually I
may need fake teeth. But if I ever get to
that point, I'm just gonna tell the doctor. Can we
ease up on the ultra whites? Yeah? Can we just
give me a little dirt in there?
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Can you give me?
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Not Rex Ryan, you throw some dirt in there, just
muddy it up like a baseball muddy up.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I mean, that's not normal, but I'm just I'm just asking.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Brett Bretty's looking like a real housewife, a Beverly Hills
sort of thing. Like it's getting pretty close to it,
and it's freaking me out.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Like enough, he looks really skinny, he looks like, uh
something that he's looking a little it's looking a little weird.
Somebody did what on twitch?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Put up me with fake white?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Oh yeah, when we put the Freddy Freeman's on you, Yeah,
in fact, man, I please do that. Please, It's just weird.
It's weird.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
It is we You know why it's weird because your
eyes go there, Your eyes go there first and foremost,
and they stay there. If you don't want on your
ultra white teeth, don't get ultra white teeth.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
If if you did it, though, the doc would have
to go in, look at that bottom row and say,
all right, we gotta take a couple of poe out. We gotta,
we gotta. Well, if you did, if you.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Did it, they'd have to remove the Copenhagen marks and
your gums and then.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
They'd have to shave that whatever that is under your lip.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Brent is I'm gonna read it exactly what it's written.
Brent is only Hayter and it is not working. Okay, okay,
you want to call me tom Brady her totally true.
I admit to it. I hate Tom Brady. I especially
hate just be yourself, man, I mean, for crying out loud.
(45:10):
You don't need to do the fake tan, the fake teeth,
the fake cheeks, the fake chin, the fake everything fake.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
I like fake funny, funny funny.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
There's nothing wrong with being fifty and looking fifty. Nothing
wrong with that. And Tom Brady, you're almost fifty.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Relax, What if you're fifty six and you wanted to
look fifty three.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
What if you're fifty six and you look sixty three?
Speaker 4 (45:36):
True about that's fifty six and you're helping your brother
and the kids, his kids move, and somebody says it's
so nice.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
That grandpa came along to help the family. What if
that happens? Which happened to me?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Oh, I just I thought that was purely hypothetical. I
didn't think that was a real thing at all. Twice
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Do you care?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah? Yeah, uh do.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
You care that the first team offense didn't look sharp
in game one the preseason?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Is it even mildly concerning to you?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I could not care less. I think they're gonna be good, man.
I think that if unless I see that in week one,
in the first two series against the Tennessee Titans, uh,
then I there's no There's nothing that I could see
that would make me believe they're going to regress at all,
(00:36):
not not even in the slightest So I uh no, man,
I have I'm a shoulder shrug on that. Big deal.
No big, it's no biggie. Not only that, but vic
I also believe that even if the offense does regress,
this defense is gonna be so damn good. I mean,
you want to win a bunch of fifteen to ten games,
That's fine with me, man, sounds good. I look, I'd
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like to be entertaining, but this defense is gonna to
kick some major butt.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'd be lying if I if I.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
If I said I wasn't a little disappointed with bow
knicks and some of his throws, but I think they can.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It can be fixed. Yeah, it can be easily fixed.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I just think he's got to learn, especially when throwing
the ball to Courtland, Sutton put some air under it,
let him go get it.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
He did once Courtland dropped it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm not concerned. Look, I would have felt better if
they played better, but I don't. I don't put much
stock into it. I'm sure they'll have it figured out
by the time the first week rolls around. I disagree
with something that you said the MO they have no
excuse to regress.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Agreed, they have no excuse. Yeah, I completely agree, Keeter.
I don't know when to make it sound like I
would make an excuse or I would think that they would.
But if for some reason they did. Look, I mean,
even if God forbid, knock on your wood boys, if
something happened to bow Nicks or whatever, that defense, I
think he's just gonna ball out all year long. I mean,
I just think they're gonna be really good. So I
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don't have any concerns whatsoever. The only regression would be okay, well, really,
I mean I know that when defensive coordinators get film
on a guy and a lot of film and what
it is now, it's not that it's not that they're
gonna be able to stop him completely. But they want
to take away what makes him comfortable and then force
him to do other things. And that's when the best
quarterbacks start to really elevate their game because they go
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off script and they go off of what really they
really like to do. But I think he's gonna be
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well, look at that play where he took the safety
on the penalty.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I mean they brought a blitz, he didn't see it
in time, he turned his back and drew a penalty. Yeah,
and he's gonna look at that and say, God, I
should have just checked down to the running back over
the middle who was wide open.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Just take your losses. Maybe he's trying something though, maybe
he wants to.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Maybe the play call was one that, hey man, we'll
take our chances. I'll try and spin out of this
and see if I can go deep because I know
he's gonna be there. I don't know, but in a game,
the proper play there is to check it down to
that running back.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
That's the proper play. If there's good things that happened offensively,
I mean, Stidham looked good. If anybody cares, your backup
quarterback look pretty good. Made a great throw to Shearfield
right before the end of the half to get a
touchdown and a great catch by by Sherfield.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
To hole that. Let me put some truth sermon too.
You sure open open wide? Do you really care? Nope? Okay, okay,
I mean he did, he did, And I like Jared's Didham.
I have no reason to not like Jarrets Didham. But
I mean the fact of the matter is bon Nix
is your one. Right, nothing can't listen to. I'm just
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saying he's your one, dude.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'll say this. There has been times and there is
going to be a time where Bonnicks is gonna have
to miss a couple of weeks for one ailment or another.
And if you could keep it together with your backup quarterback,
it's always a good thing. Then have a backup going.
Remember when Tua went down and they didn't know how
long he was going to be out after that concussion
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there like could be like a week, could be eight weeks,
and they brought in who was it? Was it Skyler
Thompson and it's just like, oh God, you have no
shot to win when this guy came in the end
League zero. It's good to know that you've got somebody
that can at least hold it together.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Now.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The nice thing is, and you're when you said the
word regression talking about the offense. One thing I think
is really going to help in that department is if
they have a running game, which I was very encouraged
from what I saw from Harvey early in that game.
I was encouraged hell from what I saw from guys
like Bidet and Blake Watson. I thought that they looked
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explosive when they had a hole, they burst through. It
picked up big games. Jaliel had a big run that
was called back if you guys remember, Yeah, he took
one all the way like thirty yards to the pylon
and then I don't know if it was a hold
or whatever, whatever it was.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Let's not discount something too that this is a factor,
and you may not think it is. During the regular season,
the whole week is basically run throughs un There's not
much physicality. Yeah, last week Thursday, they got physical. That
was like a game they got physical with the with
the Niners. So I'm not saying they played two games
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one week, but maybe their bodies weren't quite there yet.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Maybe that's they're trying to get them calloused.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Right, Yeah, maybe that's one reason why the starters didn't
look as sharp as we think.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
They should. Let them build that that.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Cardio because they're gonna need it. They're not in game
shape quite yet.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
On the texture says basically that we should be more
concerned about the offense. I'll just I mean, I'll just
throw this out there. There's a couple of different guys
fro at the course of this preseason, a couple of
different teams that I looked for, in which it's always
obviously more encouraging when you do well than when you
do poorly, but you can be faked out a lot
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by this stuff. Like I'll tell you this much, there's
a couple of teams that I got my eye on
because I think they face really interesting situations that just
other teams don't Like the Broncos. There really isn't questions.
We said a heading into camp, there's not a lot
of questions surrounding this team. Basically, you knew every starter
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the first day we got there for camp, right. There
wasn't really position battles. It was just like, we know
exactly what the team looks like. Let me ask you
a question Jackson's Dart in New York had a pretty
good first game for them, big touchdown pass, he threw
one hundred and some yards, blah blah blah. Do you
remember what they did before camp even started, when they
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had Russell Wilson, Jamis Winston, Jackson Dark. Davill just went
out and said Russell Wilson's the starter on this football team,
without even a practice. He just said he's the starter.
And I'm curious if Jackson Dark plays well, how short
is that leash for Russell Wilson, Like, is it too
bad games and he's gone.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I don't know. But he did play pretty well preseason game.
I mean he really did. Russell only threw a couple
of passes then got the heck out of there. He
looked pretty good, did the rookie. But I mean, you
have it clearly established and ready to go. I don't know.
I think Dave Ball realizes that, I mean, is his
job on the line, because if it is.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Oh my god, most yeah, he's one of those guys.
He could be fired a month in the season if
things Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
So if it is, you're gonna go with the guy,
You're not You're not You're not playing a rookie unless
he just completely balls out, and I know the Jackson
Art team.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Meanwhile, in Cleveland, the reaction from UH Cleveland Browns head
coach Kevin Stefanski after Shadoor Sanders shined in his debut
was one of hmm, I don't know yet.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
We ain't talking about that. Let's take a look at
our personnel and see what we have. But he was
so he did.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
He did everything he possibly could to dodge the Shadoor
Sanders question.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I think he understands the powder keg that surrounds any
answer with him, and I think he's doing his best
to avoid it. Like if he came out and goes, wow,
he played a lot better than I thought he'd play,
and he's gonna get first team reps down next week,
he can't do that because it would just be a firestorm.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
So he also said, look, yeah, he's he said, look,
he's got things to work on to clean up. I
mean that that was the first thing out of his mouth,
not like, hey, yeah, he played pretty dang good.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I think that's the mission of the whole team is
downplay it, downplay it. Downplay it. Just keep downplaying it,
don't say anything. Don't I think that from day one
that was.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Their mission on handling this situation.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Like, don't you guys think that Maybe part of the
reason why schadur fell is that a lot of teams
didn't see him as a starter. They saw him as
a backup, and then they did that sort of like
balance scale of backup attention distraction stuff, you know, the
same thing that happens with guys like uh. Tebow certainly
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had some of that when he lost when the Broncos
brought in Manning, he was looking for a gig somewhere
else and he went was it the Jets after the Broncos?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Right, yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And teams are just kind of like, if I'm not
bringing this guy into start, how much of the distraction
of him just being there is going to be worth it?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
But this guy, I mean, in my mind, should Dors
Sanders is going to be a starter or that's what
the long term goal is, not a career backup in
the national foot Yeah, I mean, he's got tremendous ability.
Showed it off.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Use your eyes did you watch the game? What did
your eyes tell you that he can. Told me I'll
take that over Kenny Pickett. I'll tell you take it
over Kenny freaking Picket.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I mean his two touchdown passes.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
That first touchdown toss, I defy you to find a
better pass over the weekend to have a throw.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
He threw it in hive where only receiver could catch it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yep, yep, kind of rolling out the the opposite way, yep.
I mean it's he played well. And I'm telling you
you said earlier Vic. People point out the quote flaws
of Shador and it's just that's I think more of
a matter of perspective, like he does have for all
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of the things that you would knock him for. His
big thing was he holds on the ball too long.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
He did that.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I watched the game. He took a couple of sacks,
and he had a couple of plays where he was
like held onto it for five seconds of evading pressure
and blah blah blah. But I'll tell you as far
as two details that you go unquestioned about him. Number One,
he might be the toughest sob I've ever seen in
my life. The amount of shots that he took last
year at see you and kept popping back up. Was
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pretty crazy. Number Two, He's a riser to the occasion,
Like I'm telling you. The most impressive thing to me
about that was that has to be one of the
more anticipated preseason debuts of a player that we've seen
in a long time, just because of the attention and
the story surrounding him. And God, did he live up
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to the moment. He played great. And he always seems
to do that. How many times last the last couple
of years, guys, was see you down late in the
game and you're like, they need a touchdown here, and
he just throw a touchdown on the board. You know
what I mean. Happened over and over again. He rises
to the occasion when it's called upon. That's big time.
One other thing, real quick, I'm curious what you guys
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think about this. There's a team in the NFL that
was really good last year that is now trying out
a new quarterback. Camp hasn't gone well for him so
far according to reports, and he didn't have a great debut.
I mean, Minnesota was fourteen and two heading into the
final week last year, got rid of their quarterback, and
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now they're doing this McCarthy thing. I still wonder what
happens if that team goes like nine to eight this year.
How did they react?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Well, I think the decision was pretty simple. Donald can
get us there, but not get us over the top,
over the hump. They can get it, you know, and
they want a quarterback long term that can get us
over the hump. Yeah, that was their decision. You're gonna regress.
You're gonna regress because you're going to a rookie. Essentially,
he didn't play last year. So the regression you just
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gotta pay for. You got to eat it. But you
think his ceiling is so much higher than the guy
you had before, that's what your banking like.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Imagine imagine this moj The Broncos go fourteen and three
with Russell Wilson, they lose the first game of the playoffs,
and you kind of know there's a ceiling there, and
then they go to blow knicks and they go like
eight and nine the next year. What do you do
with that?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Right? I well, no, I completely agree. But when you
look back at that draft, Okay, you look at Caleb Williams,
you look at Jayden Daniels, Drake May. I'm just going
through the quarterbacks, Pennix, McCarthy and Nix. What did I say?
I said, two of these guys are gonna be studs,
two of these guys are probably going to, uh, you know,
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be okay NFL quarterbacks, and two we're going to flame out.
I don't know who's who yet overall, but Jayden Daniels
pretty damn awesome and Bonix had a terrific rookie year.
Those two are the standouts right now. Caleb did not, obviously,
but Karthy was hurt, Pennix didn't play all that much,
and Drake May it feels like they do like him. Yeah,
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they do. And now the Rabel's in there, maybe, look,
things will happen for him. But right now, it's the
second overall pick, in the twelfth overall pick. Out of
those six quarterbacks, it's those guys that have shined the
most so far. So listen, if I'm Minnesota VIC and
I picked him tenth overall, he's still my guy and
he's still a rookie. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Some news over the weekend if you guys missed it,
that is going to make for a very busy holiday
coming up soon. We'll get to it. Next. It's gonna
be a pretty busy Christmas for us here in town
because you have the Broncos playing the Chiefs that night,
and also the late game in the NBA on Christmas
Day is going to be the Tea Wolves at the Nuggets.
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So it sounds like VIC there's probably gonna be a
little crossover betause. Yeah, yeah, a.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Little bit, thankfully that.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah, the way it's gonna work, the Broncos game will
probably carry you through nine to nine thirty. Yeah, Nuggets
will be at halftime at that point, so you'll catch
the second half of Nuggets clean.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Doesn't that game on Christmas Day? Does that start usually
later than even usual primetime games?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Thirty?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Depends on I don't. I don't know the exact tip off,
but we knew it was gonna happen. Yeah, I knew
it was going this way.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
What's a crazy day for Denver fans. They'll think about that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You enjoy time with your family, then you have Broncos
and Nuggets the same night.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
On Christmas Night.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Snuggle up on the couch, wait in, look at your
new toys that you got your new gifts, and then uh,
watch the Broncos and the the Nuggets close things out,
but yeah, it's gonna be a very busy Christmas later
in the year. Something else. I saw a picture of
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Johnny Damon. I don't know what's happening here, but Johnny Damon.
And maybe it's just like you. I watched an athlete
that was, you know, an all star during my lifetime
and and he was seen as some sort of hunk
in the MLB. Have you guys seen the picture of
him when he was wearing the pin stripes over the weekend?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
A little, uh, little chunky.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
How can I how can I describe Johnny Damon? Well,
Vicky's got I mean his hair now, it's long. It's
how you describe.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It, Brett, I can't see anything there.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, he's got long hair, and he's a little thickened,
a little little little it's like he's the the neck
down is going to Sabbathia Route.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
He's going Giant Niggan and.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
The next the neck up is going like, uh, you know,
Robert plant led Zeppelin route. Why was he in That
wouldn't mean anything to you, Vic, but that's that's what
I'm thinking of.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Why was he in uniform? Oh? Was this the the
old timers game that that uh yeah, that the Rivers Achilles.
It's always dangerous, really dangerous.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You know the Yankees. The Yankees have had these old
timers games forever, right, It's always been a tradition with
the Yankees. What I think of Yankees old timers. I'm
thinking of Joe DiMaggio. And now it's like Andy Pettitt,
Johnny Damon, and I'm going like, good God, do I
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have one foot in the grave already? I mean, don't
don't answer that, but you know what I mean. It's like,
good God, when I was a kid, you know, and
here comes the greatest loving ball player, Joe Demagio, Phil Rizzuto, right,
And I was like Andy Pettitt, I'm like, I think,
I just I just pats hurt. What world do we
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live in? Where? Johnny Damon?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
But you know, it's funny about athletes when they retire,
most like offensive lineman and.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Football, they drop way, they melt, you know, they drop weight.
They like they transform other positions.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Running backs. Look look at a.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Retired running back as opposed to a retire offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah, lineman gets smaller.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, it's always weird that works.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Hockey play by play, guys get bigger.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
The Yankees have held an Old Timers game since nineteen
forty How old were the guys in the Old Timers
game in nineteen forty seven? What did I say?
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Sorry?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Nothing?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Nothing? All right?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
What'd you say?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
So? He cracked a joke about me, like getting bigger
or something.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Now you never do that, losers.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Not with this show.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Look sitting in an XL. Pretty good.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Now, it's it's an excel slim vic. Yeah, that's what
that is. It's a slim fit Excel.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
By the ways, off today, back at it. Tomorrow will
be a training camp tomorrow through Thursday.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Cardinals will have a joint practice with the Broncos on Thursday,
and then game time Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
And this is it. This is the final week of
training camp officially, and then they're on their own.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Whatever. Yeah, so are you into the are you part
of me? Because because the first team offense kind of
spluttered around a little bit, I do want to see
that second preseason game. You know, all right, let's let's
get some things in order, you know, let's let's do
it right. Let's kick it up a notch here, feel
good about it. You know that sort of thing. And
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that's again what Saturday night right on NFL NET. So okay,
kick it up a notch, you know, do your think,
get back into the positive flow. But the other part
of me is like, man, I just want to get
to Week one against Tennessee. I did just want to
get to that day first game.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Did Peyton and apologize if I miss this? Did he
say if the starters were playing in all of the
preseason or did he just talk about that game specific.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I'm not sure if he specified all the preseason.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
He just talked about that last game last week that
the guys are going to go Yeah, because I wonder
if they're going to continue to do that.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Well, would you if you're Sean Payton, with what you
saw out of that first team offense, would you want
to see them run a couple more series.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Part of me feels like, if you're doing the joint practices,
then I don't know if I would feel like this
need to run my starters out there every week during
the preseason. I feel like the joint practices are a
version of that. I guess you want bringing people to
the ground totally still.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
See the physicality level.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
I mean it goes up when they're doing these practice
sessions against the other team, so it feels like a game.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well that's what I'm saying. Like, if you're doing that
which they did last week, and then they're doing it
again this week, I feel like you don't you don't
have to trot your guys out there again, because you like,
there's always that balance right between experience and not getting
guys hurt in games that don't matter, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Hey, we talked about Shador Sanders debut. Would you guys
think of Travis Hunter.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I don't know how much of a look you saw
from Travis Hunter, and my I have one taken away.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Way too early to say this.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He looks very slight he.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Does on defense.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He I noticed the same thing. So look, I didn't
watch the Jags game.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I don't know when it was on whatever, but I
saw somebody put a package of all the plays that
tramas Hunder was on both offense and defense. And I
will say, what's fun with him? Especially on offense? So
he caught this little I think it was just a
like a bubble screen. But when as we know very well,
when he turns the Jets on it was only like
a five yard play, but it's like he goes from
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zero to one immediately, and I just think that's cool.
But I noticed the same thing as you, Vig. He
looked the same thing I said about Bryce Young when
he got in the league. I said, he looks small,
and I don't mean like height and stuff, but there's skinny.
Yeah that, It's just it's noticeable in the league.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Well, the reason I say it is if you're gonna
play him a corner end receiver and he's got to hit,
you know, he's got to take on blockers full bax
tight ends. He's got to hit running backs coming at
him full speed. It's only a matter of time, guys.
I mean that is not gonna be easy. I'm not
taking away from his toughness, all right. We've seen him
to the Saint College though. Man, this is the NFL.
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These are big dudes coming at you.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
It's not about toughness, and it's not about conditioning, because
he's got that down too. I don't think conditioning is
a problem. It's the amount of hits that you're gonna
have to take.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And his body take that.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, right, Well, I mean we heard Devonte Adams last
week say there's no way he can do it because
you're you're just doubling the amount of hits. And if
that's the case, you're not gonna be able to play
at your best level at either position. You're gonna have
to pick one and then spot duty the other. If
that's what it is right now, they do have to
save him from himself because he wants to do everything.
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He wants to do it all. He's always done it all.
I get that there might come a time again, Vic
when you it's not just this hit and that hit
and that hit. It's the accumulation of hits. Yeah, the
accumulation of bam. I mean, the biggest men in the
fastest men in the world, blowing you up. And it's
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the accumulation that takes its toll. Maybe he'll save himself
from himself down Beline, Well, he.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Tried to make an arm tackle in the game the
other night and I just ran right out of it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
That's not work in the National Football League. You gotta
use your body to make a tackle. Arm tackles don't
work here.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And I just wonder through the course of many games
how much that'll impact which.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Side of the field right now.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
If it were my call, just play Mountain offense and
then ease him in a defense. Ease man. I think
they're gonna do it the opposite way.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I know.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I don't know why I would.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I think he's more of an offensive player, really yeah,
because of the fridge only. I just think he's not
got get some meat on those bones.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Like look at look at some of the DB's when
you when you watch the Broncos. Patrick Certani is filled
out right, Riley Moss's body is filled out today. Barron,
he might be small, but he's filled out. It just
seems like Travis looks skinny out there.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
You know, he's one of those I I think when
he came out for the draft, you know, some people
had him as the highest rated wide receiver and highest
rated corner. I think there was a bigger gap between
him and the next best corner, which I think was
probably barren than it was between him and the wide
receivers that came out in that same draft class. But
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if you were to choose a position or two positions
that you would even have a remote chance at doing
at the same time, it would be those two, right.
You couldn't be like a a left tackle and a
defensive end. That would be insane. You're gonna kill somebody.
You're you're too physical in the trenches every single play.
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You couldn't even do it a running back. Running back
takes too many hits. You couldn't play both sides if
if there's one way to do it. And I just
will say this, I just think it's so damn cool
that somebody's trying.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Oh I do too, but I put it this way
when I saw it. You know, when you think about it,
you like, of course you can do.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
But when I saw it, I was like, I understand
now where people pause. You think the physicality is going
to make a bigger difference on defense than offense, because
I think it'd be offense.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Well, I just think there's ways that offensive players can
avoid physicality.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
They know how to absorb it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Get down to get down on the ground.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Dude, when you're a corner and they're running.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
A play to the outside, you got to take on
the blocker and then you got to try to.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Make a tackle. Yeah, your luck with that. You gotta
you got a guard pulling right right at you. Have
fun with that.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
That's where you ever had a guard you ever played
corner in the guard polls and you got to take
on that guard, or you got to take on the
fullback or the tight end. I don't care who the
hell it is. You gotta take the b to allow
your teammate to make a tackle.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
That's Brett Kine making a business decision.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
No, I was a hitter. I'd hit people I had,
I had there was one play that we ran. They'd
put me in motion. They would intentionally not block the
defensive end, so they'd have the entire offensive line push
to the left as I'm motioning in. They would run
a toss towards my side, and every time defensive end
(25:34):
had no idea was it was just a free hit.
It was almost I felt cheap doing it because every
time the guy is not looking for it. But I would,
I would. I would go for what's his name? Who's
the hockey guy who got in the golf fight. What's
his name? Oh?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I can't remember his name?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Oh uh.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Bye?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Like that? Yeah that was me bye.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Anyway, Yeah I I I think it's just it's cool
to see him actually giving this a shot, and who
knows what it's actually gonna look like. Like, I don't know, Vic,
did you see how many plays total that he had
in that game?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Because that I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
No, I did not.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I didn't get the total number. I mean he didn't
play as much. He didn't play the whole game. I
mean you're talking about just minimal exposure. Yeah, you get
a seventeen game season of exposure doing that.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
I just don't know how long you hold up.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Oh, it's tough. Most it was, by the way, was
it was a Nick Tarnaski Tarnasky is right. Uh, most
just quickly here because I think this happened after you
guys got off the air on Friday, that the the
ABS wropped back Kiev roont on a one year, one
two five deal. Thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
He's he's a bottom six guy. Remember you remember me
talking about the bottom six and I said, I think
they're gonna have to fill that out a little bit.
They'd like a young guy to be able to take
over a role there on the bottom six, but they
need to fill that out a little bit old. Now,
I was assuming he's like, yeah, he's like twenty nine thirty.
He's right there somewhere. But I was I was saying
(27:01):
to everybody you know, they just gotta. They gotta whether
the move comes now or it comes sometime in the season,
I think they're going to address it. Well, that was
me assuming that Kivvy was gonna be gone. I thought
that he was going to be out of there. He's yeah,
he's twenty nine years old. I thought he was going
to be a goner. But it's a team, you know,
it's good for him and what one point too, I
(27:23):
think it is and good for the team because obviously
he knows this team. And Kivvy, you know, he's he's
kind of like an offensive cuckoo clock. You know, he
shows up, he goes cuckoo cuckoo. Right, there's a couple
of goals and then and then then he's gone for
a while. Yeah, but he's he's a good p K
or dude. His motor is always going and he's a
guy that again Jared Bednar, every time he throws him
(27:43):
on the ice, he's pretty damn assured exactly what kind
of shift he's going to get.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Well, by far the best year of his career. Last
year he had sixteen goals. He's never had more than
eight in the season previous to that.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But I'm not sure that I would expect that to continue, Brett,
And that's not a that's not a slide on kivvy
at all.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
But again, he cuckoo clocked. It's he shows a cuckoo.
Cuckoo gets a couple.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Of tallies and then he's then he's back for a
long time, right, and then he comes back out. So
where'd a lot of guys like that over the years?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Where are they at right now? How many more guys
do they need?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Really, they don't need any more. You still have Logan
O'Connor who's out and going to be out right, but
he'll he'll eventually show up, and then you're gonna have
again an opportunity for a couple of young guys to
take a spot on that blue line. Not on the
blue line, I'm sorry, in that bottom six you're going
to have a cheat.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Your best guess? Is it Ivan?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Ivan?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Is it? Steinberg?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Push up off? Who is it?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I think it's any guy that proves in training camp
that he wants to be there, And it's not just that.
Here's what if you're the Colorado Avalanche, what the ultimate
goal is You take that spot and you play well
enough that you're never gonna give it up so they
don't have to do anything right, that you are going
to be relied upon, that you are now a true
(28:58):
NHL or brot. I really don't know. The fact of
the matter is though all these guys are still young guys.
They're still young guys. And of course they made the
deal with with the San Jose Sharks. Right Allison is gone,
They're gonna have guys grinding and looking for real opportunity
to stick with the parent club. Let's hope that somebody
(29:19):
actually grasps control and takes it.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
What's crazy is that we're about a month away from
training camp.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
That's what's crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Is it crazy for you guys to think about this
that hey, gablandis dog is back playing gablandistog hockey.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
No, I think I've already had that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I mean you had that moment, Vick. Yeah. What about
when you see him a training camp just doing game stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I mean, he's back. I mean I don't know what
else to say. He's got a new knee, he's ready
to go.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
It took me about like that first game was like
cute to welcome home, but I was still like I
don't know if this guy could play or not. And
then about I think it took about two games I
was like, oh, he's still a really good hockey player.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Good. But when you talk about top six, right, you
talk about you know, the the the way the lines
are going to be configured by Jered Bednar, You're like, oh, yeah,
Landy right there on the A line there with brought
elf and no big deal.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Well, I'm excited about me.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It's the first it's the first time in three flipping years,
bro that we've been able to actually, oh, yeah, that's
that's what the assignment.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Well, I'm more excited that they just got a year
now where they can get their chemistry down as opposed
to like trying to throw that together in the middle
of the playoffs, where it's like brock Nelson was already
new trying to figure things out, and then it's like here,
Tack Atlantiskog, do something with this, right.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
You guys will be happy to know.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I'm hearing that Jamal Murray spend an awful lot of
time and continues to do so in Denver training working
looks good.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It didn't looks good, didn't John Wallace tell us that
about a month ago that he was like he spent
the summer in Denver working out, which, yeah, it's good
to hear.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Looks fit.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Meanwhile, Joker in that euro Basket training camp, pregames, friendly games.
What do you do the other day against Grease twenty
three and nineteen?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah? Hum mm hmm do you guys? You guys my tweet? No,
if you up didn't happen to catch the tweet I
had about that?
Speaker 4 (31:22):
No, I didn't, I said, was my day did not
stop when I saw that tweet?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Now, well it should have, because I retweeted twenty twenty
three nineteen and what something seven or something whatever it
was in twenty seven minutes. I said, Oh, I couldn't
have happened to a nicer country.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Oh you're taking a Oh yeah, I'm taking a rip
at Grease?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yes, yes, mos, your elephant. An elephant never forgets, bro,
I will not.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I one day want to go to Greece and have
a euro You guys are fine people.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Do you think I've never hold on? Man, I've never
been to Greece. And all the Panathonikos, all those fans,
they're the only people. Everybody else is totally cool. It's
the Panathonikos peeps that that we have a problem with.
Do you think the euro in Greece is any better
like the pizza in Italy?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, I'm a connoisseur of Euros, dude, I mean, listen,
I can I can house a good Euro all over
the pulled.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Up I've asked the super sandwiches in Euros.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I am the king.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I've asked this question before, and I don't think there's
a single person that has ever disagreed with me. I
was previously, in a previous life of mine, an expert
at the stumble out of the bar two am and
find the food truck game like that. That was I was.
I was an expert at it, and I've been to
multiple euro trucks. Okay, if the guy had the Greek accent,
(32:54):
I knew it was gonna be an absolute banger. Okay,
if they have the accent of the food they make,
it's like you're in for the best experience.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Like dumb question.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I'm not an authority on Euros, but isn't a Euro
basically a taco? No no no, no, no, no no
no no.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
You are so out of it man.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
The delivery vehicle.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Is it's folded bread like a t but it's first,
it's a pa It's got it's like the lamb meat
with with the tomatoes and the zeky sauce and the onions.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's it's it's a whole thing. Bro, God, how would
you why would you even ask that? Questions?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So stupid?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Shut up? Thick?
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Okay, So what's got on a euro and a seven?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Isn't it isn't a piece of just sort of like
a pancake?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, exactly, I mean, bro, stupid.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Don't think you can take a shot at me with
the seven eleven burrito joke, because I'm not having it.
I'm just curious. I'm just curious if it's the hamburger.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Just kind of like a boloney sandwich, you know, it's
got two pieces of bread.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Is there anybody who's been anybody listening in our earshot
right now that's been to grease and can tell me
if a greekyidle is better than like a guy from Greece.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Quit pronouncing it like you're from there.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I'm not saying Gyro and I'm not saying Euro. I'm
saying Youuro. That's the way it's supposed to be pronounced.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
One of those freaks on the news who keeps rolling
his rs incessantly.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Bro, I'm just curious, texture wonders. Isn't spaghetti just lomaine.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Ramen? Is a gnocchi? Just sort of a cheesy pizza
pocket pizza roll? M How's how's that treat you.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
All? Training camp coverage as we just discussed with food
from Greece UH on Altitude Sports Radio is brought to
you by Ramos Law. Got a fact checker coming on
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Speaker 2 (35:07):
I got a real problem, Brett, I got a real problem.
I got a real problem with your partner over there. Yeah, hey, Vic,
when you were growing up and your mom sent a
lunch with you to UH to school every single day,
what kind of sandwich did you have?
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Mortaldella perscooto?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Gosh come I okay. Do you see the way he's
pronouncing that dude like he's, oh, look at me, I'm
some sort of fancy European.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I'm gonna be dead. I'm gonna be dead. Serious. Vic
could have made up the last two and I have
no idea if he's making them.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Up me too.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I say, here's the difference.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Here's okay, here's because you have Italian blood.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yeah, okay, that's my first thing.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
That's my first language. I'm allowed to do that. Yours
Greek as I I am Irish.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
So enough with the yeah, okay, well I got Nick.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I say this stits.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Although you can't speak German at all anyway, man, But
one of my favorite movies of all time, and I'm
not afraid to say it, so I'm gonna say it.
I loved My Big fat Greek Wedding. I love that movie.
I thought it was hysterical. Man. The old man was great.
But when he's introducing his whole family on the front
lawn to uh, to the dude's parents, he's like, this
(36:34):
is Nick, Nick, Diane, Nick, Diane, Nick, Nick and Diane,
and so we get Nick, who chimes in on the
text line. It's so Greek, man, Nick is so Greek,
he says, most love how you're saying it. Greek citizen
here living in Denver, heros and not tacos vic I
love that. So according to a true Greek named Nick,
(36:54):
you can't make it up. I'm kicking ass with that one, killing.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It killing watch him hung right now? Does this surprise you?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
We just lived through an era of the NFL that
was dominated by the veteran quarterbacks. Name the greatest qbs
from I don't know, like six seven years ago, and
it was Manning, Brady, Roger, Ayron, Yeah, it was Breeze,
Donold was in, there was.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Well, you know what I'm saying though, that that era
of quarterback he felt like those guys from age thirty
years old to forty two.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
We call that a mature era.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yes, how many quarterbacks do you think are over the
age of thirty right now? Starting qbs?
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Aaron Rodgers is one?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Aaron Rodgers one?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
A Aaron sat.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Stafford's thirty seven?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Two? Let me go up and down? Gino Smith, Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Gina Smith is three? Is thirty four? Russell Wilson, Yes,
thirty six. There's four of them, Okay, Joe Flacco starts.
Flacco is counted on those lists.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
He will start five. How old is Dak?
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Dak's thirty two? That's six, Ah Boom could play. And
then you have two thirty year olds in Jared Goff
and Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
But the guys that I would say the older guard, right,
the guys who are mid forty or mid thirties are higher.
That is Geno Smith, Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford, Joe Flacco,
and Aaron Rodgers not quite the older guard that we
saw in the last generation, which means all of the
guys that we're seeing right now that are really good.
(38:37):
I mean, think about it, your best quarterbacks. Mahomes is
still twenty nine, Josh Allen is still twenty nine, Lamar
Jackson is twenty eight, Joe Burrows twenty eight. Like that
guard that's going to be that group is still like
seven years away from being in that category. That's what's
crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Are we are we to think that those guys are
going to be as good in their mid to late
thirties as that previous group was. I mean, Josh Allen
runs the ball a lot. I know he's a big
studley dude, but he runs the ball a lot. Are
they still gonna be that same with Lamar? Are they
still gonna be that effective when they're you know thirty
five thirty six.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Lay ran the ball a lot and he played into
his late thirties. You know, if you avoid serious injury,
there's no reason why you can't the question is how
many of these guys are gonna want to play that
long given the money's so different now, the financial incentives
for playing that position now they make so much more,
and maybe you just lose that edge.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I don't know, we'll find out.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Those can say, you know, they're pretty protected though. These
guys don't really take shots all that much anymore, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Dude, if you ask John Away, hey, would you like
to play in an era where they can't hit you late,
They can't jostle your wide receiver to the ground basically
when the ball's in the air.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, they protect you at all costs, even when you're
out of the pocket. They can't hit you helmet to
helmet head on, and you could pretty much do what
you want as a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
You think you think he'd thrive in this air a
little bit?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Most?
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Why not? Would he would be one of those guys
that plays well into his forties. It feels like right.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
So let me ask you today if if John played
today's game, if he played today, would he be the
best quarterback in the National Football League?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I think you probably would be. Yeah. I mean, Brett,
do yourself a favor because he was gone before you
really started being a human. I mean you were still
kind of a mango, you know, a mongo little cure member.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Super Bowl, I remember it.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Go back and watch some of his throws, dude, watch
his rollouts in his in his you know, I get
so enamored with the hip swivel and everything. But just
go watch it, dude, and watch the football through the air.
I mean it made the air mad, the football did
because they were so much darts, such power. It was
a total joy. John, if you're listening, you've heard me
(41:06):
say it before. It was a total joy to watch
you throw the football and play the game. Man. Yeah
he would. He would kill it today, absolutely kill.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
You think Joe Montana, who could process the team and
throw a ball in a window that you think he'd
do well today?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
He's a bum. Just kidding.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I have to say Otto graham Man, he auto graham
Man with a single face mask.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Lan Dawson, I have to say something. I have to.
It's must. Tom Brady is one plastic surgery thing away
from me being like you're gross to look at I
just I have to say it. He looks plastic. He's
(41:49):
enough enough with your fillers and your boatoxes and you
like it's okay to have a wrinkle on your forehead
for crying out?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
What did where did he see this?
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (41:59):
When he was doing is he did the statue on
veil at at uh in Foxborough and so he did
the speech and I'm like kind of over the Brady speeches.
But he somebody said it he looks like Uncle baby
Billy and he really does.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, he kind of does.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
Are you a legend that Baby Billy's gotten the plastic
work done too well?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I mean the big fake teeth and the just like
it's I can't be the only one that that is
bothered by looking at Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
What's that actor's name that plays Uncle Baby Billy.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Walton?
Speaker 3 (42:32):
So does he have fake teeth or those is real?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Oh, he's got those are fake.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
I think those are I think those are real.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
He's got pretty big teeth. He's got pretty big teeth.
He's got little Tommy uh Freeman, uh Freddy Freeman going on.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
No way, those are his real teeth.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Next time I watch his commercial for the the Goggin Goggles,
I will I'll check it out. I'll really pay attention.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Because yeah, they they're there. There's some Freddy Freeman's man,
and Freddie ain't rocking his real his real stuff in there.
He's got that, he's got the high beams that are
on you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
You don't never.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Understood that's Freddy's real, real grill. No chance, are you
kidding the fake t thing? You know, because eventually I
may need fake teeth. But if I ever get to
that point, I'm just gonna tell the doctor. Can we
ease up on the ultra whites? Yeah? Can we just
give me a little dirt in there?
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Can you give me?
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Not Rex Ryan, you throw some dirt in there, just
muddy it up like a baseball muddy up.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
I mean, that's not normal, but I'm just I'm just asking.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Brett Bretty's looking like a real housewife, a Beverly Hills
sort of thing. Like it's getting pretty close to it,
and it's freaking me out.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Like enough, he looks really skinny, he looks like, uh
something that he's looking a little it's looking a little weird.
Somebody did what on twitch?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Put up me with fake white?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Oh yeah, when we put the Freddy Freeman's on you, Yeah,
in fact, man, I please do that. Please, It's just weird.
It's weird.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
It is we You know why it's weird because your
eyes go there, Your eyes go there first and foremost,
and they stay there. If you don't want on your
ultra white teeth, don't get ultra white teeth.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
If if you did it, though, the doc would have
to go in, look at that bottom row and say,
all right, we gotta take a couple of poe out. We gotta,
we gotta. Well, if you did, if you.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Did it, they'd have to remove the Copenhagen marks and
your gums and then.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
They'd have to shave that whatever that is under your lip.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Brent is I'm gonna read it exactly what it's written.
Brent is only Hayter and it is not working. Okay, okay,
you want to call me tom Brady her totally true.
I admit to it. I hate Tom Brady. I especially
hate just be yourself, man, I mean, for crying out loud.
(45:10):
You don't need to do the fake tan, the fake teeth,
the fake cheeks, the fake chin, the fake everything fake.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
I like fake funny, funny funny.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
There's nothing wrong with being fifty and looking fifty. Nothing
wrong with that. And Tom Brady, you're almost fifty.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Relax, What if you're fifty six and you wanted to
look fifty three.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
What if you're fifty six and you look sixty three?
Speaker 4 (45:36):
True about that's fifty six and you're helping your brother
and the kids, his kids move, and somebody says it's
so nice.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
That grandpa came along to help the family. What if
that happens? Which happened to me?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Oh, I just I thought that was purely hypothetical. I
didn't think that was a real thing at all. Twice
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