0:00 - Should we talk about actual football Xs and Os? Nah. Jahdae Barron is Flex Seal. What made for TV products correspond with Broncos players? Which infomercial is Nik Bonitto?
15:29 - Sean Payton doesn't like to lean on one particular offensive weapon. He likes distributing the ball to all of his guys. To reinforce this point, Brett dives into the stats from Sean's beloved 2009 Saints.
32:29 - Adam Schefter says the Browns could legitimately carry 4 QBs on the roster heading into the season. Really? What's the endgame here? Heck, the Broncos carried 3 last year and we all lost our minds about it.
15:29 - Sean Payton doesn't like to lean on one particular offensive weapon. He likes distributing the ball to all of his guys. To reinforce this point, Brett dives into the stats from Sean's beloved 2009 Saints.
32:29 - Adam Schefter says the Browns could legitimately carry 4 QBs on the roster heading into the season. Really? What's the endgame here? Heck, the Broncos carried 3 last year and we all lost our minds about it.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Mosher, Lombardy and Caine on demand. Listen live
every weekday morning from seven to ten on Altitude Sports
Radio ninety two five and on the Altitude Sports Radio App.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I remember us doing Malcolm Jenkins out of Ohio State
and he was a corner there. He played outside boundary corner.
Our vision was nickel for him year one with safety flex.
Our vision I think with John A is nickel with
corner flex. That's pretty valuable. If you can play outside,
(00:40):
you can play inside. It's very smart. As the game
went on last week, you know, he really got involved
and made some really good plays. But the vision for
him is, you know, he's got that ability to play
inside but also flex outside. His size is plenty big enough,
and his speed and physicality those are all things that
(01:03):
help him at that position.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
This is how we need to start every show, Like
I need this vibe, so calm waiting into a nice
little Wednesday show.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Dude, that song brings back memories? Man?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
What kind of memories?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Thirsties like very specific memories.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Whoa good for you?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I mean it's like weird. How Moser is usually the
guy that does this stuff. How music jogs the memory
bank for me? It really never does, except this one does.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And Nelly, why are you playing this song?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Because this is by Shoda shod A Baron by the way,
new nickname for Jada Baron, Jade Baron. He used the
word flex forty five times. It's flex all. He is
our flex all Lebroncos flex all.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
They kept he kept saying how many times this offseason?
Do we hear that damn word?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Joker?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I mean he's that for the defense though.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah, he's flexed. He go to instead of boats and
in damns, it's kind of joker.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Kind of need someone on the inside of my right
elbow down at the golfer's elbow at the bottom off
the tennis lubo at the top of the bottom. I
think I kind of need some.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
You think that would work a little pain, Just kind
of spray that on right there.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
I like it. I'll tell you us this camp goes on.
You know why I'm so encouraged. Let me tell you
why I'm encouraged. Vic Brett, all the listeners out there,
and Nelly, every single guy on this football team is
kick ass. Every guy really feels that way. Well, no,
(02:49):
but it's every guy's playing great every guy is this,
every guy is smooth. Nobody's making a mistake. This guy's
I mean, the op themism is through the roof. Now.
I haven't heard, never heard a discouraging word from Payton
(03:09):
or nobody else. I mean, for God's sake, this entire
camp has been well Sean Payton thinks it's team, then
you better win a freaking super Bowl shot all right.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
By the way, I think it, TeX's right, isn't it
flex seal, not flex all?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
No flex flex a flex all four fifty four. It's
like icy hot.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah for the body I did. Sorry, I didn't mean
to out your age there for a second. Did confuse
the two with flex seal, flex all and flex seal.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I have the full package of flex.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
By the way, you can buy the complete package with
the spray, the glue, the tape, the foam.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
You can buy it all in one sitting. And I
got them all I need to know.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
By the way, Nelly, look up the dude's name.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Who was Minski? No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
This guy the guy commercials No, it's not Billy Mays.
That's not Billy Mays.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Was the old guy oxy clean?
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yeah that's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It was Billy mays, it's this guy. And then it
was slap Chop Guy.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Slap Chop guy hooker. Yeah, listen, I am not here
to slap shot. What a day, slap shot. I'm not
here to promote products.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
On the serbian hooker that would be an endorsement. But
I'm telling you right now this stuff that he's he's
howking that stuff works.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Phil Swift is the man's name. By the way, have
you ever tried that? Also sounds like an off brand
of Flex seal. It feels Phil Swift like I've never taken.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
A boat out on a lake with my Flex all
taken that. I want to try it now.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I want to like it.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
It's not Flex all tape. It's just Flex tape, flex whatever. Dude,
All right, you know that's right, hang on hand on hand.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Also, the slap Chop guy was the sham wou guy.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I forgot what a sham wow was though. What was
that thing again?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Then that you draw your car with you draw your car,
you make sure you get all the drips off the car,
the drips, you know, the drips.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah, but it's but it's made out of like a
microfiber I guess. But a shammy is actually made out
of like calvskin.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
All right, calm down, Nerd.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Anyway, enough of this crap. Is every single guy in
the Broncos having an awesome camp? Is it? Has anybody
screwed up at all? Well, because Benito's ready to get paid,
he's been killing I mean, everybody has looked awesome.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
There was a time when Sean Payton would uh would
get into guy's butt, you know, get mad at a guy. Right,
he bite him a little bit. Not now, man, he
feels really good about this sham. Wow, he goes sham. Well,
but I'll tell you what it makes me feel. It
makes me feel encouraged that everybody is so encouraged.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, I'll put it this way. Do you guys remember
last year we were sitting at training camp last season
and we had a conversation that was centered around this.
You know what, the Broncos got a lot of good players.
I don't know how many great ones they have.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Do you guys remember.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Talking about that last year? Like, Okay, they have PS two,
who is an elite, blue chip caliber player. Is there
anybody else in this roster that's that? And at the time,
it didn't feel that way. In a year later, Vic,
your blue chip elite player that was patser Tan turned
into patser Tan and Zach Allen and Nick Benito and
(06:46):
Quinn minors. Then they became like they're the elites of
the league at their position group. How many more of
those can you get? The more of those guys that
you stack up, because the Broncos are still in the
same spot of I don't think you can point to
a single spot around this starting twenty two where you
would say they're really weak here. I don't think really
(07:10):
weak exists so far.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
No, don't don't. I don't think really weak exists either,
I really don't. I mean, I think that everybody's capable.
But here's the thing. I mean, they're gonna get scored on,
they're gonna get they're gonna have three and outs. I
mean every team does, right. Just there's just a lot
of optimism going around. That's cool, that's cool, let's let's
bring it on.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But it's it's again, it's not like your off season.
We're all happy because football is about here, so we're
gonna get excited about it. I think it's it's rooted
in something real like the Gronco should be a good
football team.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
They should be. Well, I'm the one who goes through
the schedule and says, dub dub yeah, dub maybe.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Dub l memos.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
You're just growing tired of the preseason height one, two, three, four, five, six.
I've got them winning six of their first seven football games.
Is that optimistic? Well, that you.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Should think they're pretty good?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Then I think they're I think they're pretty damn good. Yeah,
all right, son be The thing is yes, But it's
not like I don't expect to see a lot of
goodness in Week one against the Titans, because I do.
But yes, I would like to get to I would
like to get to September seventh. I'd like to get there.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
How about we assign assorted products that are sold on
television commercials to each player. Each bar is flex seal.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
How don't we just take a few corner flex but
also flex outside flex seal.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Is Okay, time on, time out, We'll do the list.
We'll do the list. So hold on, please hold plice,
hold please, I.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Got I got one for bounty. Hang wait, just wait,
I'm pretty excited about this.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I'm gonna take five guys from each side of the football,
and then you're gonna you're gonna come up with something
for him. Okay, okay, all right, So let's start on
offense or no, you said Baron and Diva will start.
So Baron is your your flex? Is it flex sealer,
flex off.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Seal, flex seal, he seals all flexes. He's flexible and
he seals.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
He's flex seal. So what does that make certain?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
But also flex outside?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Okay, let's think about something. Certan just shuts it all.
He's like a tablet of vicodin. All the pain goes away.
What is he?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
He's a tarp because he covers everything.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Oh, Nelly, I can't like it.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yeah, but you can't just be.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
There. I like Joebu gorilla glue.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Okay, gorilla glue. That that could be good.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, because he keeps the defense together with what he does.
He keeps it together.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Okay, he just los it down. I guess all right,
Zach Allen is what.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Let's think about this. See, he's like Bounty. He's Bounty
Brownie or Bounty Bronnie is the lumberjack guy.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Bounty is the I don't know, No, he's got to be.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Like he cleans up in the middle, he cleans up.
He is a paper town, he's a quicker picker. How
about how about this? He's a snowblower.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
He's moved stuff around.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You're just looking at It's not a product that's sold
a toaster?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Do you not understand this game? What's saw? How many
conversations more.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Wrong with you?
Speaker 5 (10:43):
A Toro snowblower? Time you saw by?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
That's just a paper towel.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah, but it's a specific Okay.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Have you ever seen a bounty commercial on TV? The
quicker picker uper, of course you have. Have you ever
seen a Toro snowblower commercial? He wants in your own
don't be dumb? How long have you been dumb?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I feel like, you know, it's like when you say Kleenex,
I mean, is it kleenex? Or is it just a tissue?
This is what you guys want to do? Is this
how you're gonna call me out?
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I got all right?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
What's benito?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Celis? I like it? It's you? Yeah, all right, all right?
Got it? Hey, you're you're endorsing the hell out of
this stuff? You would know? Cialis all right, give me another,
give me the four minutes. I'll tell you more about it.
Two more, two more on defense? We got Benito? What's Banita? Celis?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
See allis?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Oh, I'm I thought, I said Zach Allen.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I know, but I said I got Benito. You got
Zach Allen. Zach Allen's gonna Brownie or bounty?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Which one do you want?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Motion, Bronnie, It's it's the becamber Jack.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, all right, Allan is Brownie? And then you got
green Law? What's green Law?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Let me think for a second.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
What's an awesome product that I see? Just off as
it comes? Uh?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Is there a commercial for those uh, those little vacuum
cleaners that go on their own a rumba yeah, but
they're always breaking, yeah, rumba.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
He's a room rumba yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, it's all over.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
You don't know where the hell they are, just cleaning
stuff up, cleaning stuff up, but on occasion they get
into bad business.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
All right, So let's go to offense bow.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
All right, mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Bo is.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Help textures, Help help us out, everybody, help.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
This is on you people.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Do you have fifty you guys did this?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:45):
No, it's a little bit better than that.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
No, it's just it's too it's too stocky. Someone said
bo is a tide pod. I don't get that one.
Just put him in the Uh yeah, this is a
dumb exercise. You're right, What else do you want us
to do?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Never mind?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Sit here and talk about the season like we've done
every day for the last forty five days.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
What do you want us to do?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I'll talk about the last three practices like everybody's doing today.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
What do you want us to do?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Talk about how Benito discussed his future signing, like everybody
else is doing.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
You want us to do that?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I got stuff like that, didn't over like that? Bo
is Bluebell ice cream.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
This is the first.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Day of the second season. He found a new running back.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I like that Bluebell ice cream.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Anyway, So I do have things to discuss today, despite
what Vick said, here's some good news. By the way,
you can listen this Friday to Valor at Pine Creek
on ninety two five. You can also watch it on
Altitude Plus and guess what they're offering a free trial
if you had to Altitude plus dot Comedy's the promo
(13:57):
alt seven free.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
To say alt altitude, you have to go all out.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I alt fanatically. It's an easier way to do it,
say lt seven free.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
We don't call ourselves altitude Hey, so the uh it's
a free seven day trial? Can I get through this?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Both of you?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It's a free seven a trial. The revamped Altitude Plus
features DVR functionality, it's got multiview and the opportunity to
save forty bucks by signing up for the new annual plan.
More info at Altitude plus dot com in the promo
code for that free sevendy trial is out seven free.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Hold on a second, let's back up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Do you did you? Because I did not.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I'm not aware of this. So the app now has multiview.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Multiview baby, okay, all right, let me tell you why
this is a big deal. There are at least twenty
one occasions this year on the schedule where the apps
and nuggets play on the same night.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Yes, sir, and multiview could come in very handy, as
it would have in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I did not know that the app now has multiview
and DVR again, DVR functionality, multiview and you can save
forty bucks by signing up for the new annual plan.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
So there you go. Visit Altitude plus dot com and
that promo code for that seven day free trial out
seven first.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Buddy back all of this.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Put your finger down right now, don't you dare point
that finger.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I'm sorry, I gotta say something. I'm not technically sound right.
I don't know technotronics. I don't do the techtronics.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I just went to that Altitude plus app.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I haven't been there in a while. It's revamped and
updated for those who have it and haven't seen it
in a while. This thing is sweet.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
It's it's like.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
It's it's completely different than the one that was laid
out there a year ago.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
This is sweet, like, this is easy to use. Now,
got everything good?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And again God Altitude plus dot com. You can get
forty dollars. You can save forty dollars by signing up
for the new annual plan. And it's also got, as
we just told you, DVR functionality and multiview so you
can have all of those for the upcoming season.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Just quickly.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I had I did some digging last night about what
does a Sean Payton offense look like at its peak?
And you know what I noticed in all of these years,
and I went through multiple years from the Super Bowl win,
all the way through the next four or five when
they're a really good team winning eleven to thirteen games
every regular season. Because we think of the Saints offenses
(16:53):
under Sean Payton with Drew Brees as this high flying,
can't stop them sort of attack, right, so you would say,
I think that would breed numbers from a lot of
people on those offenses. Let me just give you a
couple here, so starting, we'll go all the way back
if you guys would like to. Two thousand and nine.
That was the year that they won the Super Bowl.
(17:14):
Drew Brees finished second in the MVP vote. Their leading
receiver that year was Colston who had a seventy catch
one thousand and seventy four yard, nine touchdown season. You
might say to yourself, gosh, that sounds familiar. It should.
That's basically what Colton Sutton did last year. That's our
(17:36):
leading receiver. Do you know who was second.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I'll bet it was somebody like uh was it the
tied end of the running back?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It was maar it was another wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Oh, okay, it was Devrey Henderson who had fifty one
catches for eight hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
That's pretty decent for his second wide out.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
After that it was Jeremy Shock you had forty eight
catches for five sixty nine. After that, it was Reggie
Bush with forty seven catches for twenty thirty five. And
I was like, all right, so what does the leading
rushers look like? Well, their leading rusher was Pierre Thomas,
who had seven hundred and ninety three yards.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So what you're saying it was a balanced offense.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's nobody goes crazy in these offenses.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, Like it's a it's a refined, efficient, balanced offense.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
When you look at like Jamar Chase's year last year
and with t Higgins, you're like, those are two thousand
yard wide outs that went crazy. Or you look at
some of the guys in Detroit and some of the
numbers they put up last year, it's like they're eye popping.
Go and look at the Sean Payton offenses.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
The individuals on those rosters really don't have these eye
popping years.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Do me a favor. Look up the twenty eleven New
Orleans Saints offensive numbers. Twenty eleven.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Okay, I'm good. Twenty eleven, got it? Okay, who did what?
That year was actually a big year for a couple
different people.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Well, yeah, because Drew Brees threw for fifty five hundred
yards let's find out.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Okay, so and by the way, forty six touches. Their
leading receiver was me Graham. He had ninety nine catches
for thirteen hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
That's a that's a big year.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Do you know who their second leading receiver on that
team was?
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Your mom with eighty Your mom had a good season.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
That was twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Oh uh.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Their second leading receiver after Jimmy Graham with eighty six catches,
was five foot six Darren Sprolls. Oh did you hear
the after that? It was Colston again, he had eighty catches.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
The interview with Diana Russini and Chase Daniels when they
asked Sean Payton, what player from the past would you
most want for this team? Do you know what he said,
Darren Sprolls.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, right right.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Sprolls was so fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
He was just like a pogo stick man.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Or I would say it's more like a really fast
like electronic car.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
One of my kids in the neighborhood on the nine
has one of those, one of.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Those what do you call it? A remote control code
of remote control car that goes really fast, right right right.
That was Sprols.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
That's what he did to give me the rushing stats
of twenty eleven, because every fifty season here, No, no,
but I was curious.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I think this is fair. Their leading rusher that year
was Darren Sproles with how many yards do you think at.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Seven twenty?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Very good guess most six hundred and three yards. After that,
Pierre Thomas had five sixty two, Mark Ingham had four
to seventy four, Chris Ivory had three seventy four. They
had four different backs, so that basically shared the wealth.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
In conclusion, the Sean Payton offense is not designed to
produce singular stars. Is designed to produce a team of
efficiency and a team that can beat you in many
different ways.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Also, it doesn't appear that Sean Payton will go out
of his way to try to get a thousand yard rusher.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
That's the thing.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
He but you the passing game as a running game
as well, like out of it. I mean, it's it's
clear to see.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Out of all of these different things. And what I'm
trying to get at here is this, when people look
at the Broncos offense and I just saw something on
ESPN they had as a group, the Broncos wide receivers
were ranked thirty first in the league. And the reason
for that is because I think there's no Justin Jefferson
or Jamar Chase or somebody like that in the group.
Like Courtland Sutton's a very good wide receiver, but he's
(21:28):
not somebody that is just household. Everybody would want him
as their number one immediately on their team. He fills
his roster with a whole bunch of guys that do
a little bit of everything. And in those years you
mentioned most, whether it's two thousand and nine when they
won the Super Bowl or twenty eleven, the year that
you said Breeze went crazy, do you how many Pro
Bowlers they had on those offenses. The answer is one Brees,
(21:52):
Drew Brees. Except for twenty eleven, Jimmy Graham was one
that was it.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
That's a very good point. When the Broncos play another two,
they may look at the receiving corps other fans and
say who dat Yeah, like we know who they are
because we live in Denver, much like when teams come
here and you may not recognize some of the names
and that's fine. You're not here to be recognized, You're
here to win. Who cares?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Yeah, By the way, I got to mix in something
that's sort of sticking in my craw bick. How old
do you think Alvin Kamara is today? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Uh thirty.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Eight? Mikes? Yikes? Bro bro he's only thirty.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I don't know, okay, Broke.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
He didn't get him the Lee til twenty fifteen, bro,
And and you got him back in oh nine and whatnot?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Also, how old do you think my mom is?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Twenty three?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Close?
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Very very close? She was a standout wide out though.
Back in her day her and Fred Bulitnikoff were just
killing it. See it.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Just to point to all of this is if you're
expecting individual monsters.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Sorry, Nelly just had a good one.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
If you're expecting individual monster seagent seasons from guys on
offense for the Broncos, it's just probably not gonna happen.
It's just not It's never been that way under Sean Payton. Now, well,
can I go back here a little bit though? Is
Drew Brees a very special quarterback? I think he would
be called one of the best ever.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Okay, do you also have to give him a little
bit of credit for listen, opposing defenses want to take
guys away, so he's able to locate other guys in
the offense. I mean, he's not fixated that kind of thing.
Give him some credit for being able to maneuver the
football all over the field to find different guys.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Consider my credit given to try Now.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I'm not saying that the current guy can't do that
as well. I'm just saying Drew Brees is a Hall
of Fame quarterback. If you want to you see what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It's just funny to me that it's like bo Nicks
has from people who are doubters.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
He's got a tag of like timmy check down right. Oh,
all he did was he checked down the football, And
I'm like, well, that was kind of what Sean Payton's
offense does. They checked down the football a lot.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Sean Payton takes great offense to that too. If you
call him a check down Charlie or whatever you call him.
Peyton didn't like that, well, because.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Peyton's probably like, he's running my offense. This is what
my offense is.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
You know that year that we were talking about, Sproul
says eighty six catches, and it was either I think
Pierre Thomas had like seventy.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
This is why the drafting up bow Nicks is so important,
because Sean Payton is so particular. It was evident when
he was running the Russell Wilson experiment. He's so particular
in that quarterback whoever is in charge doing what he
instructs them to do that if they don't, all hell
breaks loose. Right yeah, now they have some ability to
(25:09):
add lib when things break down, no problem. But here's
the play, here's the read, here's the process of reeds.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Follow along, and if they don't follow.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Along is when he loses it. By the way, o
Knicks is a guy he drafted particularly because he could
follow along.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yea, that is correct. I want to correct something in
twenty fifteen. Alvin Kamara was at Tennessee. He came to
the Saints in seventeen. Yeah, I want to correct that.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
By the way, Just last thing and then we'll move
on because I got a hockey thing for you. Motion
just quickly that twenty eleven offense you're talking about, think
about this for a second. Mark Ingram had one hundred
and twenty two carries. Pierre Thomas had one hundred and ten,
Sprolls had eighty seven, and Chris Ivory had eighty. So
(25:58):
this had sound different backs that all had eighty to
one hundred and twenty carries on the year.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Okay, now replace those names with current Broncos. R. J. Harvey, JK.
R J. Harvey had one hundred and eleven carries. J Yeah, JK.
Dobbins had one hundred and three carries. It's just what
he does.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
He has to spread that around.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
You know, you're sure to. I admire what you're doing.
You're giving us a comp but you're doing exactly what.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
I hate, which is I don't care about his New
Orleans teams.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Oh but I just think it gives you a read
on what what his tendencies are got you. That's it.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
But if you think that, all I'm pointing out is
if you think that R. J. Harvey or JK. Dobbins
is going to be a thirteen hundred yard rusher, it's
just not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I get it. When Peyton Manning came here to play
for the Broncos, he was Peyton Manning the Bronco. We
didn't sit here and harp on his indie days every day.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
That's all we do with Sean Payton, That's all we do. It.
Just what I think is.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It gives you a wealth of evidence to try and
I give something.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
We all get it, okay, all right, But every comp
is about a former saint.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Oh this guy is uh Michael Thomas, Oh this guy,
this guy is there?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Oh, this guy, I think, but this guy's this guy.
I think the only reason that it comes up like
that is because the head coach himself sort of looks
at it that way and refers to it that way.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
All right, Well, and beyond that, it's something that I have.
If there's one big reservation I have about Sean Payton
is that he's just trying to replicate what he used
to do with new talent, and I just don't know
how much that can work. Like you have to be
a little bit malleable, you know what I mean. Like
if he had Saquon on this team, I would really
(27:52):
hope he's not trying to get four different backs eighty
carries right at the course of the year. So I
just hope that that's the case. Anyway, mos he as
made a move yesterday.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
It's not they haven't signed anybody for anything yet. Well,
they're expected to. There is what I should say, They're
expected to. This is expected to happen.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
This feels like another one of those classic super low risk,
high high reward type of moves that they've been really
good at in the past. When you look at your
Jonathan Druins and you look at your Valnachushkin's a guy
like that. If this actually happens, the rumors are that
the Avs will sign Victor Olofson, who was a longtime Saber,
(28:36):
went to Vegas last year and is back on the
open market now. He's a guy that can provide some depth,
obviously for your third and fourth lines, which the Avs need.
He is a very good goal scorer. I don't know
what else he really brings to the table outside of that.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Well, his past if you look at that year a
couple of years ago, the twenty two to twenty three
with Buffalo, So I guess that's three years ago, pretty
dang good. I mean, twenty eight goals in seventy five
games is good. Why is he available, vic, I'd have
(29:12):
no idea. He missed time the following year with Buffalo
only played in fifty one games, and he was miserable
series and he was Yeah, he played. He wasn't very
good at all.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Incidentally, now can you just blame Buffalo for that, Like
a bunch of guys can in the past.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
He had he had forty points, He had twenty eight
and twelve. Buffalo is not a high scoring team anyway.
He was a minus twenty three. Yeah, so that happens.
He dash twenty three. He's like Winnipeg in the winter, right, yep.
And then you look at h then you look at
uh at the late year last year with Vegas, he
(29:47):
had an upper body, he had lower body vic I
don't know why he was still out there, other than
maybe teams are just hesitant, you know, to sign a
guy who's got, you know, a couple seasons of injury history,
even if it's not super major. I really have no
idea why he was still available here in the middle
(30:08):
of August. Toward the end of August.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, here's the deal. He's the guy who's had he
had forty point seasons in three out of four in
Buffalo from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty three. That he
had the really bad year where only had fifteen points
in fifty one games.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
He goes to Vegas.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Hurt a lot last year, but he put up twenty
nine and fifty six and you're talking about the dash
twenty threes, and he had two of those when he
was in Buffalo. His one year in Vegas, which is
a much better hockey team, he was a plus seventeen. Correct,
but it's a hell thing for him. I heard somebody
comp him. I can't remember who it was to, like
(30:48):
an e Rod. E Rood spent a lot of time
in Buffalo. You didn't really know who he was. He
goes to Pittsburgh, he has that one really good year
where he's what he have like forty some points in
a full season, and then the Ash take a flyer
on him, and then all of a sudden he becomes
a multi year guy for a Stanley Cup champions.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I think guy has a multiple Stanley Cup champion.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I would say my first reaction when I saw that
this could happen, because it hasn't happened yet. I hope
that it would, but I thought this is pretty intriguing
to me because the guy has scoring ability. All right,
that's just natural. That's pack of a one timer, right, Yeah,
he's got a great shot. Well, I mean yeah, he's
(31:28):
just got a great shot period. So he's got a
bit of an instinct for that, which is good. Is
it a reclamation project it would look like one. And
hopefully how old is he now? Thirty? I think okay,
at the age of thirty, he's been around. You've got
a veteran who knows what the National Hockey League is
(31:48):
all about. If you can get him for a cheap price,
and the rumors are it would be a cheap price,
should they do it, then.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
The rumor is one year for about a milli and
a half.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
And that seems to me like a very intriguing piece
for this roster. Yes, especially the style of the AVS
play and the guys who will be around him. Yep. So,
And I think he's he's shown that he can play
with other top players in the league and not look
out of play. So should you need to elevator him
up and down, you're gonna be able to do that,
(32:21):
I believe. If this deal gets done.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That's out there in the ether.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
And again, I until the FSA we've signed Victor Willifson,
they haven't signed him yet.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Fair Fair. You can listen to us anywhere on the
Altitude Sports Radio AP, but it is powered by the
Will Height Law Firm injury. Lauri's going to Will Heightwinds
dot Com. That's Will Heightwinds dot Com. All right, I
gotta play something for you guys. I don't know if
you've been following this story or not, but there is
a player in Cleveland that's gotten a lot of tension
(32:53):
over the last few days. And no, it is not
chidor Sanders. You guys know the name is a Bond. Yes,
Texas wide receiver was widely seen as maybe like a
Day two pick. Shortly before the draft, he was charged
with sexual assault. He went undrafted, but has now had
(33:15):
those charges dropped so he faces no more criminal investigation.
He's now going to the league. He signed as an
undrafted free agent rookie a three year, three million dollar
deal with Cleveland, which is a hefty price for an
undrafted free agent, but considering the circumstances, well, he shows
up in front of Cleveland media yesterday and speaks to
(33:39):
them for the first time. Here's what he said.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Very excited to be a Cleveland Brown. I've been playing
football since six I know It's a great privilege to
play in the NFL, and I'm very, very grateful for that.
I know there's gonna be questions about allegations, but my
agent and my attorney have advised me not to go
in deep. Since day one, I proclaimed my innocence, and
I'll stay here today. In that same way, I'm very
(34:03):
excited to get to know my teammates. He saw the
Cleveland Brock community, why they made the right decision.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
The charges aside. How many times did he rehearsed that
thing in the mirror before he stepped in front of
that podium, do you think.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Yeah, that's tough. I would never advise someone just to
read from a piece of paper.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
He did so, he didn't read.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Oh, he didn't read it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
That's what I'm saying. He did not read that. He
looked at them in the eye.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
But you can tell that was done about five hundred
times in the mirror before he went in front that flight.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Probably he's a twenty one year old kid. I remember
reading about the story and the grand jury said, there's
I'm the first time.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I don't know any details.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, I know nothing about the story.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Well, he was accused of a sexual assault but the
grand jury came back and said we can't. There's not
enough evidence for anything. Okay, so it's called it's called
a no bill, is what it's called. So there's not
enough evidence. Yeah, we're not going to charge them with
any I mean, there's no you can't charge you. Okay,
So there you go. And the grand jury is a
pretty pretty heavy duty thing. Yes, So either way, I mean,
you're probably right about that. And I know, I do
(35:13):
know this. I know the Browns. I remember reading the
Browns scouted him pretty hard, like, yeah, they were all
over him.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Again he was he was supposed to be like a
second round pick or something like that, and then this
came out beforehand. Now there's another quote out of Cleveland,
this from Adam Schefter on ESPN the other day. What
do you guys think of this?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I expect the Cleveland Browns to carry four will do that?
Four quarterbacks on their final fifty three man roster. I
expect to have four there. They're gonna keep both rookies,
they're going to keep Flacco. So we're really talking about
Kenny Pickett, and I expect he makes the roster because
quarterbacks are the wind.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
What's the windy when Adam says somebody called him.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
The Cowboys straight for Kenny Pickett, or maybe or maybe
somebody calls about one of the rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
When Adams says something like that, he said it with
some chests, some confidence there. What you doing, you guys
remember last year when we talked about for an entire season,
why is Zach Wilson on one of the fifty three
man roster spots. If they just aren't gonna use them,
they're gonna take another one on top of that. So
(36:25):
imagine the conversation we had about Zach all of last year,
saying is this just a trade chip? And the answer
was no. He was on the team until the end
of the season and then he was gone.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
They got four and five include Deshaun Watson, and I
think Sean Payton liked him.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I mean, sure he liked him, but like ay Man,
we don't want him to go anywhere. Right.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
But what if you're just there's no football teams carrying four.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
There's way on a fifty there is no way you
go to game one of the season as the Cleveland
Browns with four active quarterbacks. There's just a trading one.
I think they absolutely have to. VIC. I guess we'll
find out on Monday. Is it Monday? Monday? Okay?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Can I ask you this, Vic? You were very much
in this camp yesterday. I gave these stats, by the way,
about Anthony Richardson at the end of the appetizer. If
you guys weren't listening, then which what do you do it?
If you weren't, it's a great appetizer. Warren Sharp had
these numbers. If you wanted to know why was Anthony
(37:31):
Richardson benched in favor of Daniel Jones? How about this, Vic?
Over the last two years, fifty five different quarterbacks in
the NFL have attempted at least one hundred and seventy
five passes. Out of those fifty five quarterbacks, Anthony Richardson
ranks fifty fifth inaccuracy. He is fifty fifth in completion percentages.
He is fiftieth of fifty fifth of fifty five in
(37:53):
touchdown interception ratio. And I said, what would the trade
market be for Anthony Richardson if you were put on
the market right now.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
And I told you there wouldn't be one.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Would Shadoor command a higher draft pick than Anthony Richardson?
If put on the market right now.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Too unproven right now, Well, I'm just saying, but I'm
just asking you they would get traded for something, whether
you think it's a six seventh round pick of sixth something.
All you have to do is watch a game and
you could see the difference between Shadoor and Anthony Richardson.
Shador can read a defense.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
And when he thought that, Anthony Richardson can. I think
more importantly, when Shador lets the ball go out of
his hand, it goes to where he wants it to go,
as opposed to who knows where the hell that thing's
going to end up.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
He could process, and you know that. I think that's one.
It's an undervalued skill that Shador had. You know, he
was running for his life a lot when he played it.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Cu.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah, he scrambled a little too much, he got a
happy feet at times, but he could also process and
he did a good job doing that and got the
ball where it needed to go.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
I wish I could find things. Okay, here we go.
It's from Orlowski. Richardson. Since the start of college into
the National Football League has about seventeen hundred total reps. Okay,
Bonnis has over five thousand. Yeah, that's Jaydon Daniels has
(39:17):
over four thousand. CJ. Stroud has over thirty five hundred.
I'm what I'm trying to tell you is that the
guy just hasn't played a lot of football enough. I'm
not gonna defend him. He maybe he can't read a
defense of Vick, but you know what, he also hasn't
had the flip and reps to try and and get
better and improve in that regard.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I was always a scout and a coach who sees
the raw talent, sure, who sees a guy like JaMarcus
Russell and says, oh my god, we're gonna mold this Clay.
And they can't.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
They just can't.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
There's not enough time.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
The coach doesn't have enough time because their jobs are
at stake at some point.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Right if you're giving a coach, he's have been saying,
you got all the time you want.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Your job is safe. Okay, that's an different story. Coaches
move on coaches like, Hey, my job's online here.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I ain't got time for this.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Can I can?
Speaker 4 (40:06):
I ask just a question because this can apply, and
I've if you want to move Schadora, I've got some ideas.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Go ahead. Well, first, first, so let me talk again
about the New Orleans Saints. I read, I'm always read
reading shock. Oh yeah, so do you know who? Do
you know who's battling for the starting quarterback job in
New Orleans?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
It's shocked? And and who's the other one? Why can't?
Why am I forgetting?
Speaker 4 (40:38):
And he looked terrible?
Speaker 5 (40:39):
And if I'm Mickey Loomis and I'm sitting there with
my teeth in my mouth and to buy you, and
I'm going, oh, for God's sake, I got this six
foot five geek out a Louisville, and I got Spencer Rattler,
who's looked not good at all. And and we're trying
to decide, you know, who the starting quarterback is going
(41:00):
to be. I would be on the phone with Cleven going, hey, look,
if you don't like the kid from Colorado. Uh, you know,
we'll throw something in your way. You want to you
want us to throw your bone? You want to throw
your fifth future fifth? Will do that?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Do you guys play this game in your head?
Speaker 5 (41:14):
Because I just did it.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
You imagine what somebody looks like in the uniform, and
can I tell you.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
She looks right?
Speaker 4 (41:22):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
So I'm just saying to myself, Vic, if I'm Mickey Loomis,
I just go if you if you don't like the kid,
you want to bury him forth on game day? What
do you want for him? I'll take him, you know,
talk to.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Me on Monday, boys, Monday is going to be insane
on this show. Monday is gonna have to be must listen.
When is the can you look it up real quick
because I'm incapable of speaking and gliding the internets.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
What you need?
Speaker 3 (41:46):
What you need?
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I need to know when are all the claims official
off the waiver wire?
Speaker 5 (41:53):
So cuts are made?
Speaker 4 (41:55):
This weekend? Cuts made?
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Oh they made Sunday or Monday morning.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
That's what I need to know. Winter cuts made. Because
there's gonna be over one thousand players.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Tuesday at two o'clock is the final. You have to
have fifty three.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
Tuesday two okay, okay, all right?
Speaker 4 (42:09):
So you know they trickle them out Monday and Stiff
exactly right. They're going to be rolling in Monday and Tuesday.
We'll know a little more about where these guys end up.
But that's exactly what's going to happen. New Orleans is
a perfect candidate that that's a team right now. Their
starting quarterback may not even be on the roster right now.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Here's the Here's the question I want to ask.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
You think Schador Sanders could compete with Shock Tyler Shuck
and and Spencer Rent. I like it.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I don't like how his name is Shuck and it's
spelled like show, spelled like schef. Yeah, either way, I
would think that I would think that this guy would
to this guy.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
I think that Sho Door would be able to give
those guys a run for their money.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
This is the question I want to ask, just real quick,
real quick. This applies to both quarterback and pitchers in baseball.
Why do people, scouts teams get so enamored with the
the big arm as to oppose the accurate army? Why
in football is the guy who puts the ball on
the money but doesn't have the strongest arms bucket.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Well, I think there's a cursory. You gotta have enough
of arm to throw a twenty yard out.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
If you can't do that, you can't play in the league, Okay,
And you have to get it there with a certain
amount of zip, otherwise it's going to take too long
for a play. To develop in all the degree. Yeah,
in all the best quarterbacks are signed to your exceptions
to the rule.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
But right now, they'll give me an example of a
of a guy with a bad arm that that.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Philip Rivers was insanely accurate. He could do Philip Rivers
terrible arm, but insanely accurate.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
He could hit the terrible arm.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
He could throw a ball. It looks weird.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Well, when you talk about zip vic, there was a
lot of zip on Philip Rivers arm, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
I remember watching Joe Montana versus John Elway in that
flag football game they played at the.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
Old Mile Hide. You remember foot ball? Yeah, yeah, And
I'm on the field. That was it. That was a
great football game.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
That was awesome. That's I'm on the field watching both
of these legendary quarterbacks throw the ball. And obviously l
Way with his distinctive zip, you know, he threw it's
so hard, so fast, and Montana was more of a
touch passer. But I do remember using your argument there
up right when he threw the ball, You're like, oh,
well that's not going to get there, and then all
of a sudden next thing, you know, oh my.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
God, it's always spots right in the bucket. It's almost
I've said this before, I'll reiterate it. When you watch
Joe Montana throw the football, you were like, oh, big arm,
Jeff George John Elway, that kind of thing. But if
the ball had to get there, the flipping ball got there,
and you're like, whoa, yep, I mean it got there,
Vic it did. You're right about that. Everybody wants a
(44:47):
Joe Milton. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
It is fun to watch though. See that's where I
get caught up. I'm like, it is fun to watch him,
Joe Billmore, Joe Milton.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
His uncle Rico. I bet, I bet I throw football
court wow. And see that's what See, that's what Elway was.
Though Elway had the arm and he could play. He
was Sud's bucket. Yeah, dude, I mean the Joe Burrow
of SuDS bucket. I mean Matt Stafford at SuDS buck
You talk about the Lamar Jackson can be Sud's bucket.
Mahomes SuDS bucket.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
I'm gonna dust something off.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
Aaron Rodgers win his prime.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I'm gonna dust something off. Haven't done this in a while,
but we're getting close to the season. About another edition
of some NFL True False Get to it next.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
How do you know what that?
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Why are you clapping
This is Mosher, Lombardy and Caine on demand. Listen live
every weekday morning from seven to ten on Altitude Sports
Radio ninety two five and on the Altitude Sports Radio App.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I remember us doing Malcolm Jenkins out of Ohio State
and he was a corner there. He played outside boundary corner.
Our vision was nickel for him year one with safety flex.
Our vision I think with John A is nickel with
corner flex. That's pretty valuable. If you can play outside,
(00:40):
you can play inside. It's very smart. As the game
went on last week, you know, he really got involved
and made some really good plays. But the vision for
him is, you know, he's got that ability to play
inside but also flex outside. His size is plenty big enough,
and his speed and physicality those are all things that
(01:03):
help him at that position.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
This is how we need to start every show, Like
I need this vibe, so calm waiting into a nice
little Wednesday show.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Dude, that song brings back memories? Man?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
What kind of memories?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Thirsties like very specific memories.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Whoa good for you?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
I mean it's like weird. How Moser is usually the
guy that does this stuff. How music jogs the memory
bank for me? It really never does, except this one does.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And Nelly, why are you playing this song?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Because this is by Shoda shod A Baron by the way,
new nickname for Jada Baron, Jade Baron. He used the
word flex forty five times. It's flex all. He is
our flex all Lebroncos flex all.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
They kept he kept saying how many times this offseason?
Do we hear that damn word?
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Joker?
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I mean he's that for the defense though.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah, he's flexed. He go to instead of boats and
in damns, it's kind of joker.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Kind of need someone on the inside of my right
elbow down at the golfer's elbow at the bottom off
the tennis lubo at the top of the bottom. I
think I kind of need some.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
You think that would work a little pain, Just kind
of spray that on right there.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
I like it. I'll tell you us this camp goes on.
You know why I'm so encouraged. Let me tell you
why I'm encouraged. Vic Brett, all the listeners out there,
and Nelly, every single guy on this football team is
kick ass. Every guy really feels that way. Well, no,
(02:49):
but it's every guy's playing great every guy is this,
every guy is smooth. Nobody's making a mistake. This guy's
I mean, the op themism is through the roof. Now.
I haven't heard, never heard a discouraging word from Payton
(03:09):
or nobody else. I mean, for God's sake, this entire
camp has been well Sean Payton thinks it's team, then
you better win a freaking super Bowl shot all right.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
By the way, I think it, TeX's right, isn't it
flex seal, not flex all?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
No flex flex a flex all four fifty four. It's
like icy hot.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah for the body I did. Sorry, I didn't mean
to out your age there for a second. Did confuse
the two with flex seal, flex all and flex seal.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
I have the full package of flex.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
By the way, you can buy the complete package with
the spray, the glue, the tape, the foam.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
You can buy it all in one sitting. And I
got them all I need to know.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
By the way, Nelly, look up the dude's name.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Who was Minski? No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
This guy the guy commercials No, it's not Billy Mays.
That's not Billy Mays.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Was the old guy oxy clean?
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yeah that's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
It was Billy mays, it's this guy. And then it
was slap Chop Guy.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Slap Chop guy hooker. Yeah, listen, I am not here
to slap shot. What a day, slap shot. I'm not
here to promote products.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
On the serbian hooker that would be an endorsement. But
I'm telling you right now this stuff that he's he's
howking that stuff works.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Phil Swift is the man's name. By the way, have
you ever tried that? Also sounds like an off brand
of Flex seal. It feels Phil Swift like I've never taken.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
A boat out on a lake with my Flex all
taken that. I want to try it now.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I want to like it.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
It's not Flex all tape. It's just Flex tape, flex whatever. Dude,
All right, you know that's right, hang on hand on hand.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Also, the slap Chop guy was the sham wou guy.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I forgot what a sham wow was though. What was
that thing again?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Then that you draw your car with you draw your car,
you make sure you get all the drips off the car,
the drips, you know, the drips.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Yeah, but it's but it's made out of like a
microfiber I guess. But a shammy is actually made out
of like calvskin.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
All right, calm down, Nerd.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Anyway, enough of this crap. Is every single guy in
the Broncos having an awesome camp? Is it? Has anybody
screwed up at all? Well, because Benito's ready to get paid,
he's been killing I mean, everybody has looked awesome.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
There was a time when Sean Payton would uh would
get into guy's butt, you know, get mad at a guy. Right,
he bite him a little bit. Not now, man, he
feels really good about this sham. Wow, he goes sham. Well,
but I'll tell you what it makes me feel. It
makes me feel encouraged that everybody is so encouraged.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Well, I'll put it this way. Do you guys remember
last year we were sitting at training camp last season
and we had a conversation that was centered around this.
You know what, the Broncos got a lot of good players.
I don't know how many great ones they have.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Do you guys remember.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Talking about that last year? Like, Okay, they have PS two,
who is an elite, blue chip caliber player. Is there
anybody else in this roster that's that? And at the time,
it didn't feel that way. In a year later, Vic,
your blue chip elite player that was patser Tan turned
into patser Tan and Zach Allen and Nick Benito and
(06:46):
Quinn minors. Then they became like they're the elites of
the league at their position group. How many more of
those can you get? The more of those guys that
you stack up, because the Broncos are still in the
same spot of I don't think you can point to
a single spot around this starting twenty two where you
would say they're really weak here. I don't think really
(07:10):
weak exists so far.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
No, don't don't. I don't think really weak exists either,
I really don't. I mean, I think that everybody's capable.
But here's the thing. I mean, they're gonna get scored on,
they're gonna get they're gonna have three and outs. I
mean every team does, right. Just there's just a lot
of optimism going around. That's cool, that's cool, let's let's
bring it on.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But it's it's again, it's not like your off season.
We're all happy because football is about here, so we're
gonna get excited about it. I think it's it's rooted
in something real like the Gronco should be a good
football team.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
They should be. Well, I'm the one who goes through
the schedule and says, dub dub yeah, dub maybe.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Dub l memos.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
You're just growing tired of the preseason height one, two, three, four, five, six.
I've got them winning six of their first seven football games.
Is that optimistic? Well, that you.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Should think they're pretty good?
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Then I think they're I think they're pretty damn good. Yeah,
all right, son be The thing is yes, But it's
not like I don't expect to see a lot of
goodness in Week one against the Titans, because I do.
But yes, I would like to get to I would
like to get to September seventh. I'd like to get there.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
How about we assign assorted products that are sold on
television commercials to each player. Each bar is flex seal.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
How don't we just take a few corner flex but
also flex outside flex seal.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Is Okay, time on, time out, We'll do the list.
We'll do the list. So hold on, please hold plice,
hold please, I.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Got I got one for bounty. Hang wait, just wait,
I'm pretty excited about this.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I'm gonna take five guys from each side of the football,
and then you're gonna you're gonna come up with something
for him. Okay, okay, all right, So let's start on
offense or no, you said Baron and Diva will start.
So Baron is your your flex? Is it flex sealer,
flex off.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Seal, flex seal, he seals all flexes. He's flexible and
he seals.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
He's flex seal. So what does that make certain?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
But also flex outside?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Okay, let's think about something. Certan just shuts it all.
He's like a tablet of vicodin. All the pain goes away.
What is he?
Speaker 5 (09:41):
He's a tarp because he covers everything.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Oh, Nelly, I can't like it.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yeah, but you can't just be.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
There. I like Joebu gorilla glue.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Okay, gorilla glue. That that could be good.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, because he keeps the defense together with what he does.
He keeps it together.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Okay, he just los it down. I guess all right,
Zach Allen is what.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Let's think about this. See, he's like Bounty. He's Bounty
Brownie or Bounty Bronnie is the lumberjack guy.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
Bounty is the I don't know, No, he's got to be.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Like he cleans up in the middle, he cleans up.
He is a paper town, he's a quicker picker. How
about how about this? He's a snowblower.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
He's moved stuff around.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
You're just looking at It's not a product that's sold
a toaster?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Do you not understand this game? What's saw? How many
conversations more.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Wrong with you?
Speaker 5 (10:43):
A Toro snowblower? Time you saw by?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
That's just a paper towel.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
Yeah, but it's a specific Okay.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Have you ever seen a bounty commercial on TV? The
quicker picker uper, of course you have. Have you ever
seen a Toro snowblower commercial? He wants in your own
don't be dumb? How long have you been dumb?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I feel like, you know, it's like when you say Kleenex,
I mean, is it kleenex? Or is it just a tissue?
This is what you guys want to do? Is this
how you're gonna call me out?
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I got all right?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
What's benito?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Celis? I like it? It's you? Yeah, all right, all right?
Got it? Hey, you're you're endorsing the hell out of
this stuff? You would know? Cialis all right, give me another,
give me the four minutes. I'll tell you more about it.
Two more, two more on defense? We got Benito? What's Banita? Celis?
Speaker 4 (11:36):
See allis?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Oh, I'm I thought, I said Zach Allen.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I know, but I said I got Benito. You got
Zach Allen. Zach Allen's gonna Brownie or bounty?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Which one do you want?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Motion, Bronnie, It's it's the becamber Jack.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, all right, Allan is Brownie? And then you got
green Law? What's green Law?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Let me think for a second.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
What's an awesome product that I see? Just off as
it comes? Uh?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Is there a commercial for those uh, those little vacuum
cleaners that go on their own a rumba yeah, but
they're always breaking, yeah, rumba.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
He's a room rumba yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, it's all over.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
You don't know where the hell they are, just cleaning
stuff up, cleaning stuff up, but on occasion they get
into bad business.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
All right, So let's go to offense bow.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
All right, mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Bo is.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Help textures, Help help us out, everybody, help.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
This is on you people.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Do you have fifty you guys did this?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
No?
Speaker 5 (12:45):
No, it's a little bit better than that.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
No, it's just it's too it's too stocky. Someone said
bo is a tide pod. I don't get that one.
Just put him in the Uh yeah, this is a
dumb exercise. You're right, What else do you want us
to do?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Never mind?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Sit here and talk about the season like we've done
every day for the last forty five days.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
What do you want us to do?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
I'll talk about the last three practices like everybody's doing today.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
What do you want us to do?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Talk about how Benito discussed his future signing, like everybody
else is doing.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
You want us to do that?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I got stuff like that, didn't over like that? Bo
is Bluebell ice cream.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
This is the first.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Day of the second season. He found a new running back.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I like that Bluebell ice cream.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Anyway, So I do have things to discuss today, despite
what Vick said, here's some good news. By the way,
you can listen this Friday to Valor at Pine Creek
on ninety two five. You can also watch it on
Altitude Plus and guess what they're offering a free trial
if you had to Altitude plus dot Comedy's the promo
(13:57):
alt seven free.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
To say alt altitude, you have to go all out.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I alt fanatically. It's an easier way to do it,
say lt seven free.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
We don't call ourselves altitude Hey, so the uh it's
a free seven day trial? Can I get through this?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Both of you?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Sorry?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It's a free seven a trial. The revamped Altitude Plus
features DVR functionality, it's got multiview and the opportunity to
save forty bucks by signing up for the new annual plan.
More info at Altitude plus dot com in the promo
code for that free sevendy trial is out seven free.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Hold on a second, let's back up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Do you did you? Because I did not.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I'm not aware of this. So the app now has multiview.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Multiview baby, okay, all right, let me tell you why
this is a big deal. There are at least twenty
one occasions this year on the schedule where the apps
and nuggets play on the same night.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Yes, sir, and multiview could come in very handy, as
it would have in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I did not know that the app now has multiview
and DVR again, DVR functionality, multiview and you can save
forty bucks by signing up for the new annual plan.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
So there you go. Visit Altitude plus dot com and
that promo code for that seven day free trial out
seven first.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Buddy back all of this.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Put your finger down right now, don't you dare point
that finger.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I'm sorry, I gotta say something. I'm not technically sound right.
I don't know technotronics. I don't do the techtronics.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I just went to that Altitude plus app.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I haven't been there in a while. It's revamped and
updated for those who have it and haven't seen it
in a while. This thing is sweet.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
It's it's like.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
It's it's completely different than the one that was laid
out there a year ago.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
This is sweet, like, this is easy to use. Now,
got everything good?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
And again God Altitude plus dot com. You can get
forty dollars. You can save forty dollars by signing up
for the new annual plan. And it's also got, as
we just told you, DVR functionality and multiview so you
can have all of those for the upcoming season.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Just quickly.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I had I did some digging last night about what
does a Sean Payton offense look like at its peak?
And you know what I noticed in all of these years,
and I went through multiple years from the Super Bowl win,
all the way through the next four or five when
they're a really good team winning eleven to thirteen games
every regular season. Because we think of the Saints offenses
(16:53):
under Sean Payton with Drew Brees as this high flying,
can't stop them sort of attack, right, so you would say,
I think that would breed numbers from a lot of
people on those offenses. Let me just give you a
couple here, so starting, we'll go all the way back
if you guys would like to. Two thousand and nine.
That was the year that they won the Super Bowl.
(17:14):
Drew Brees finished second in the MVP vote. Their leading
receiver that year was Colston who had a seventy catch
one thousand and seventy four yard, nine touchdown season. You
might say to yourself, gosh, that sounds familiar. It should.
That's basically what Colton Sutton did last year. That's our
(17:36):
leading receiver. Do you know who was second.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
I'll bet it was somebody like uh was it the
tied end of the running back?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It was maar it was another wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Oh, okay, it was Devrey Henderson who had fifty one
catches for eight hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
That's pretty decent for his second wide out.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
After that it was Jeremy Shock you had forty eight
catches for five sixty nine. After that, it was Reggie
Bush with forty seven catches for twenty thirty five. And
I was like, all right, so what does the leading
rushers look like? Well, their leading rusher was Pierre Thomas,
who had seven hundred and ninety three yards.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So what you're saying it was a balanced offense.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That's nobody goes crazy in these offenses.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, Like it's a it's a refined, efficient, balanced offense.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
When you look at like Jamar Chase's year last year
and with t Higgins, you're like, those are two thousand
yard wide outs that went crazy. Or you look at
some of the guys in Detroit and some of the
numbers they put up last year, it's like they're eye popping.
Go and look at the Sean Payton offenses.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
The individuals on those rosters really don't have these eye
popping years.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
Do me a favor. Look up the twenty eleven New
Orleans Saints offensive numbers. Twenty eleven.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Okay, I'm good. Twenty eleven, got it? Okay, who did what?
That year was actually a big year for a couple
different people.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
Well, yeah, because Drew Brees threw for fifty five hundred
yards let's find out.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Okay, so and by the way, forty six touches. Their
leading receiver was me Graham. He had ninety nine catches
for thirteen hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
That's a that's a big year.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Do you know who their second leading receiver on that
team was?
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Your mom with eighty Your mom had a good season.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
That was twenty twelve.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Oh uh.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Their second leading receiver after Jimmy Graham with eighty six catches,
was five foot six Darren Sprolls. Oh did you hear
the after that? It was Colston again, he had eighty catches.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
The interview with Diana Russini and Chase Daniels when they
asked Sean Payton, what player from the past would you
most want for this team? Do you know what he said,
Darren Sprolls.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, right right.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Sprolls was so fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
He was just like a pogo stick man.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Or I would say it's more like a really fast
like electronic car.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
One of my kids in the neighborhood on the nine
has one of those, one of.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Those what do you call it? A remote control code
of remote control car that goes really fast, right right right.
That was Sprols.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
That's what he did to give me the rushing stats
of twenty eleven, because every fifty season here, No, no,
but I was curious.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
I think this is fair. Their leading rusher that year
was Darren Sproles with how many yards do you think at.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Seven twenty?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Very good guess most six hundred and three yards. After that,
Pierre Thomas had five sixty two, Mark Ingham had four
to seventy four, Chris Ivory had three seventy four. They
had four different backs, so that basically shared the wealth.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
In conclusion, the Sean Payton offense is not designed to
produce singular stars. Is designed to produce a team of
efficiency and a team that can beat you in many
different ways.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Also, it doesn't appear that Sean Payton will go out
of his way to try to get a thousand yard rusher.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
That's the thing.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
He but you the passing game as a running game
as well, like out of it. I mean, it's it's
clear to see.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Out of all of these different things. And what I'm
trying to get at here is this, when people look
at the Broncos offense and I just saw something on
ESPN they had as a group, the Broncos wide receivers
were ranked thirty first in the league. And the reason
for that is because I think there's no Justin Jefferson
or Jamar Chase or somebody like that in the group.
Like Courtland Sutton's a very good wide receiver, but he's
(21:28):
not somebody that is just household. Everybody would want him
as their number one immediately on their team. He fills
his roster with a whole bunch of guys that do
a little bit of everything. And in those years you
mentioned most, whether it's two thousand and nine when they
won the Super Bowl or twenty eleven, the year that
you said Breeze went crazy, do you how many Pro
Bowlers they had on those offenses. The answer is one Brees,
(21:52):
Drew Brees. Except for twenty eleven, Jimmy Graham was one
that was it.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
That's a very good point. When the Broncos play another two,
they may look at the receiving corps other fans and
say who dat Yeah, like we know who they are
because we live in Denver, much like when teams come
here and you may not recognize some of the names
and that's fine. You're not here to be recognized, You're
here to win. Who cares?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Yeah, By the way, I got to mix in something
that's sort of sticking in my craw bick. How old
do you think Alvin Kamara is today? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Uh thirty.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
Eight? Mikes? Yikes? Bro bro he's only thirty.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I don't know, okay, Broke.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
He didn't get him the Lee til twenty fifteen, bro,
And and you got him back in oh nine and whatnot?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Also, how old do you think my mom is?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Twenty three?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Close?
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Very very close? She was a standout wide out though.
Back in her day her and Fred Bulitnikoff were just
killing it. See it.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Just to point to all of this is if you're
expecting individual monsters.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Sorry, Nelly just had a good one.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
If you're expecting individual monster seagent seasons from guys on
offense for the Broncos, it's just probably not gonna happen.
It's just not It's never been that way under Sean Payton. Now, well,
can I go back here a little bit though? Is
Drew Brees a very special quarterback? I think he would
be called one of the best ever.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Okay, do you also have to give him a little
bit of credit for listen, opposing defenses want to take
guys away, so he's able to locate other guys in
the offense. I mean, he's not fixated that kind of thing.
Give him some credit for being able to maneuver the
football all over the field to find different guys.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Consider my credit given to try Now.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I'm not saying that the current guy can't do that
as well. I'm just saying Drew Brees is a Hall
of Fame quarterback. If you want to you see what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It's just funny to me that it's like bo Nicks
has from people who are doubters.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
He's got a tag of like timmy check down right. Oh,
all he did was he checked down the football, And
I'm like, well, that was kind of what Sean Payton's
offense does. They checked down the football a lot.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Sean Payton takes great offense to that too. If you
call him a check down Charlie or whatever you call him.
Peyton didn't like that, well, because.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
Peyton's probably like, he's running my offense. This is what
my offense is.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
You know that year that we were talking about, Sproul
says eighty six catches, and it was either I think
Pierre Thomas had like seventy.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
This is why the drafting up bow Nicks is so important,
because Sean Payton is so particular. It was evident when
he was running the Russell Wilson experiment. He's so particular
in that quarterback whoever is in charge doing what he
instructs them to do that if they don't, all hell
breaks loose. Right yeah, now they have some ability to
(25:09):
add lib when things break down, no problem. But here's
the play, here's the read, here's the process of reeds.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Follow along, and if they don't follow.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Along is when he loses it. By the way, o
Knicks is a guy he drafted particularly because he could
follow along.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yea, that is correct. I want to correct something in
twenty fifteen. Alvin Kamara was at Tennessee. He came to
the Saints in seventeen. Yeah, I want to correct that.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
By the way, Just last thing and then we'll move
on because I got a hockey thing for you. Motion
just quickly that twenty eleven offense you're talking about, think
about this for a second. Mark Ingram had one hundred
and twenty two carries. Pierre Thomas had one hundred and ten,
Sprolls had eighty seven, and Chris Ivory had eighty. So
(25:58):
this had sound different backs that all had eighty to
one hundred and twenty carries on the year.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Okay, now replace those names with current Broncos. R. J. Harvey, JK.
R J. Harvey had one hundred and eleven carries. J Yeah, JK.
Dobbins had one hundred and three carries. It's just what
he does.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
He has to spread that around.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
You know, you're sure to. I admire what you're doing.
You're giving us a comp but you're doing exactly what.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
I hate, which is I don't care about his New
Orleans teams.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Oh but I just think it gives you a read
on what what his tendencies are got you. That's it.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
But if you think that, all I'm pointing out is
if you think that R. J. Harvey or JK. Dobbins
is going to be a thirteen hundred yard rusher, it's
just not going to happen.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I get it. When Peyton Manning came here to play
for the Broncos, he was Peyton Manning the Bronco. We
didn't sit here and harp on his indie days every day.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
That's all we do with Sean Payton, That's all we do. It.
Just what I think is.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
It gives you a wealth of evidence to try and
I give something.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
We all get it, okay, all right, But every comp
is about a former saint.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Oh this guy is uh Michael Thomas, Oh this guy,
this guy is there?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Oh, this guy, I think, but this guy's this guy.
I think the only reason that it comes up like
that is because the head coach himself sort of looks
at it that way and refers to it that way.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
All right, Well, and beyond that, it's something that I have.
If there's one big reservation I have about Sean Payton
is that he's just trying to replicate what he used
to do with new talent, and I just don't know
how much that can work. Like you have to be
a little bit malleable, you know what I mean. Like
if he had Saquon on this team, I would really
(27:52):
hope he's not trying to get four different backs eighty
carries right at the course of the year. So I
just hope that that's the case. Anyway, mos he as
made a move yesterday.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
It's not they haven't signed anybody for anything yet. Well,
they're expected to. There is what I should say, They're
expected to. This is expected to happen.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
This feels like another one of those classic super low risk,
high high reward type of moves that they've been really
good at in the past. When you look at your
Jonathan Druins and you look at your Valnachushkin's a guy
like that. If this actually happens, the rumors are that
the Avs will sign Victor Olofson, who was a longtime Saber,
(28:36):
went to Vegas last year and is back on the
open market now. He's a guy that can provide some depth,
obviously for your third and fourth lines, which the Avs need.
He is a very good goal scorer. I don't know
what else he really brings to the table outside of that.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Well, his past if you look at that year a
couple of years ago, the twenty two to twenty three
with Buffalo, So I guess that's three years ago, pretty
dang good. I mean, twenty eight goals in seventy five
games is good. Why is he available, vic, I'd have
(29:12):
no idea. He missed time the following year with Buffalo
only played in fifty one games, and he was miserable
series and he was Yeah, he played. He wasn't very
good at all.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Incidentally, now can you just blame Buffalo for that, Like
a bunch of guys can in the past.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
He had he had forty points, He had twenty eight
and twelve. Buffalo is not a high scoring team anyway.
He was a minus twenty three. Yeah, so that happens.
He dash twenty three. He's like Winnipeg in the winter, right, yep.
And then you look at h then you look at
uh at the late year last year with Vegas, he
(29:47):
had an upper body, he had lower body vic I
don't know why he was still out there, other than
maybe teams are just hesitant, you know, to sign a
guy who's got, you know, a couple seasons of injury history,
even if it's not super major. I really have no
idea why he was still available here in the middle
(30:08):
of August. Toward the end of August.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, here's the deal. He's the guy who's had he
had forty point seasons in three out of four in
Buffalo from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty three. That he
had the really bad year where only had fifteen points
in fifty one games.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
He goes to Vegas.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Hurt a lot last year, but he put up twenty
nine and fifty six and you're talking about the dash
twenty threes, and he had two of those when he
was in Buffalo. His one year in Vegas, which is
a much better hockey team, he was a plus seventeen. Correct,
but it's a hell thing for him. I heard somebody
comp him. I can't remember who it was to, like
(30:48):
an e Rod. E Rood spent a lot of time
in Buffalo. You didn't really know who he was. He
goes to Pittsburgh, he has that one really good year
where he's what he have like forty some points in
a full season, and then the Ash take a flyer
on him, and then all of a sudden he becomes
a multi year guy for a Stanley Cup champions.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I think guy has a multiple Stanley Cup champion.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I would say my first reaction when I saw that
this could happen, because it hasn't happened yet. I hope
that it would, but I thought this is pretty intriguing
to me because the guy has scoring ability. All right,
that's just natural. That's pack of a one timer, right, Yeah,
he's got a great shot. Well, I mean yeah, he's
(31:28):
just got a great shot period. So he's got a
bit of an instinct for that, which is good. Is
it a reclamation project it would look like one. And
hopefully how old is he now? Thirty? I think okay,
at the age of thirty, he's been around. You've got
a veteran who knows what the National Hockey League is
(31:48):
all about. If you can get him for a cheap price,
and the rumors are it would be a cheap price,
should they do it, then.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
The rumor is one year for about a milli and
a half.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
And that seems to me like a very intriguing piece
for this roster. Yes, especially the style of the AVS
play and the guys who will be around him. Yep. So,
And I think he's he's shown that he can play
with other top players in the league and not look
out of play. So should you need to elevator him
up and down, you're gonna be able to do that,
(32:21):
I believe. If this deal gets done.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
That's out there in the ether.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
And again, I until the FSA we've signed Victor Willifson,
they haven't signed him yet.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Fair Fair. You can listen to us anywhere on the
Altitude Sports Radio AP, but it is powered by the
Will Height Law Firm injury. Lauri's going to Will Heightwinds
dot Com. That's Will Heightwinds dot Com. All right, I
gotta play something for you guys. I don't know if
you've been following this story or not, but there is
a player in Cleveland that's gotten a lot of tension
(32:53):
over the last few days. And no, it is not
chidor Sanders. You guys know the name is a Bond. Yes,
Texas wide receiver was widely seen as maybe like a
Day two pick. Shortly before the draft, he was charged
with sexual assault. He went undrafted, but has now had
(33:15):
those charges dropped so he faces no more criminal investigation.
He's now going to the league. He signed as an
undrafted free agent rookie a three year, three million dollar
deal with Cleveland, which is a hefty price for an
undrafted free agent, but considering the circumstances, well, he shows
up in front of Cleveland media yesterday and speaks to
(33:39):
them for the first time. Here's what he said.
Speaker 6 (33:42):
Very excited to be a Cleveland Brown. I've been playing
football since six I know It's a great privilege to
play in the NFL, and I'm very, very grateful for that.
I know there's gonna be questions about allegations, but my
agent and my attorney have advised me not to go
in deep. Since day one, I proclaimed my innocence, and
I'll stay here today. In that same way, I'm very
(34:03):
excited to get to know my teammates. He saw the
Cleveland Brock community, why they made the right decision.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
The charges aside. How many times did he rehearsed that
thing in the mirror before he stepped in front of
that podium, do you think.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Yeah, that's tough. I would never advise someone just to
read from a piece of paper.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
He did so, he didn't read.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Oh, he didn't read it.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
That's what I'm saying. He did not read that. He
looked at them in the eye.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
But you can tell that was done about five hundred
times in the mirror before he went in front that flight.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Probably he's a twenty one year old kid. I remember
reading about the story and the grand jury said, there's
I'm the first time.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I don't know any details.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, I know nothing about the story.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Well, he was accused of a sexual assault but the
grand jury came back and said we can't. There's not
enough evidence for anything. Okay, so it's called it's called
a no bill, is what it's called. So there's not
enough evidence. Yeah, we're not going to charge them with
any I mean, there's no you can't charge you. Okay,
So there you go. And the grand jury is a
pretty pretty heavy duty thing. Yes, So either way, I mean,
you're probably right about that. And I know, I do
(35:13):
know this. I know the Browns. I remember reading the
Browns scouted him pretty hard, like, yeah, they were all
over him.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Again he was he was supposed to be like a
second round pick or something like that, and then this
came out beforehand. Now there's another quote out of Cleveland,
this from Adam Schefter on ESPN the other day. What
do you guys think of this?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
I expect the Cleveland Browns to carry four will do that?
Four quarterbacks on their final fifty three man roster. I
expect to have four there. They're gonna keep both rookies,
they're going to keep Flacco. So we're really talking about
Kenny Pickett, and I expect he makes the roster because
quarterbacks are the wind.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
What's the windy when Adam says somebody called him.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
The Cowboys straight for Kenny Pickett, or maybe or maybe
somebody calls about one of the rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
When Adams says something like that, he said it with
some chests, some confidence there. What you doing, you guys
remember last year when we talked about for an entire season,
why is Zach Wilson on one of the fifty three
man roster spots. If they just aren't gonna use them,
they're gonna take another one on top of that. So
(36:25):
imagine the conversation we had about Zach all of last year,
saying is this just a trade chip? And the answer
was no. He was on the team until the end
of the season and then he was gone.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
They got four and five include Deshaun Watson, and I
think Sean Payton liked him.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I mean, sure he liked him, but like ay Man,
we don't want him to go anywhere. Right.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
But what if you're just there's no football teams carrying four.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
There's way on a fifty there is no way you
go to game one of the season as the Cleveland
Browns with four active quarterbacks. There's just a trading one.
I think they absolutely have to. VIC. I guess we'll
find out on Monday. Is it Monday? Monday? Okay?
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Can I ask you this, Vic? You were very much
in this camp yesterday. I gave these stats, by the way,
about Anthony Richardson at the end of the appetizer. If
you guys weren't listening, then which what do you do it?
If you weren't, it's a great appetizer. Warren Sharp had
these numbers. If you wanted to know why was Anthony
(37:31):
Richardson benched in favor of Daniel Jones? How about this, Vic?
Over the last two years, fifty five different quarterbacks in
the NFL have attempted at least one hundred and seventy
five passes. Out of those fifty five quarterbacks, Anthony Richardson
ranks fifty fifth inaccuracy. He is fifty fifth in completion percentages.
He is fiftieth of fifty fifth of fifty five in
(37:53):
touchdown interception ratio. And I said, what would the trade
market be for Anthony Richardson if you were put on
the market right now.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
And I told you there wouldn't be one.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Would Shadoor command a higher draft pick than Anthony Richardson?
If put on the market right now.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Too unproven right now, Well, I'm just saying, but I'm
just asking you they would get traded for something, whether
you think it's a six seventh round pick of sixth something.
All you have to do is watch a game and
you could see the difference between Shadoor and Anthony Richardson.
Shador can read a defense.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
And when he thought that, Anthony Richardson can. I think
more importantly, when Shador lets the ball go out of
his hand, it goes to where he wants it to go,
as opposed to who knows where the hell that thing's
going to end up.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
He could process, and you know that. I think that's one.
It's an undervalued skill that Shador had. You know, he
was running for his life a lot when he played it.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Cu.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah, he scrambled a little too much, he got a
happy feet at times, but he could also process and
he did a good job doing that and got the
ball where it needed to go.
Speaker 5 (38:56):
I wish I could find things. Okay, here we go.
It's from Orlowski. Richardson. Since the start of college into
the National Football League has about seventeen hundred total reps. Okay,
Bonnis has over five thousand. Yeah, that's Jaydon Daniels has
(39:17):
over four thousand. CJ. Stroud has over thirty five hundred.
I'm what I'm trying to tell you is that the
guy just hasn't played a lot of football enough. I'm
not gonna defend him. He maybe he can't read a
defense of Vick, but you know what, he also hasn't
had the flip and reps to try and and get
better and improve in that regard.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
I was always a scout and a coach who sees
the raw talent, sure, who sees a guy like JaMarcus
Russell and says, oh my god, we're gonna mold this Clay.
And they can't.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
They just can't.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
There's not enough time.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
The coach doesn't have enough time because their jobs are
at stake at some point.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Right if you're giving a coach, he's have been saying,
you got all the time you want.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Your job is safe. Okay, that's an different story. Coaches
move on coaches like, Hey, my job's online here.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
I ain't got time for this.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Can I can?
Speaker 4 (40:06):
I ask just a question because this can apply, and
I've if you want to move Schadora, I've got some ideas.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Go ahead. Well, first, first, so let me talk again
about the New Orleans Saints. I read, I'm always read
reading shock. Oh yeah, so do you know who? Do
you know who's battling for the starting quarterback job in
New Orleans?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
It's shocked? And and who's the other one? Why can't?
Why am I forgetting?
Speaker 4 (40:38):
And he looked terrible?
Speaker 5 (40:39):
And if I'm Mickey Loomis and I'm sitting there with
my teeth in my mouth and to buy you, and
I'm going, oh, for God's sake, I got this six
foot five geek out a Louisville, and I got Spencer Rattler,
who's looked not good at all. And and we're trying
to decide, you know, who the starting quarterback is going
(41:00):
to be. I would be on the phone with Cleven going, hey, look,
if you don't like the kid from Colorado. Uh, you know,
we'll throw something in your way. You want to you
want us to throw your bone? You want to throw
your fifth future fifth? Will do that?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Do you guys play this game in your head?
Speaker 5 (41:14):
Because I just did it.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
You imagine what somebody looks like in the uniform, and
can I tell you.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
She looks right?
Speaker 4 (41:22):
You're right.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
So I'm just saying to myself, Vic, if I'm Mickey Loomis,
I just go if you if you don't like the kid,
you want to bury him forth on game day? What
do you want for him? I'll take him, you know,
talk to.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
Me on Monday, boys, Monday is going to be insane
on this show. Monday is gonna have to be must listen.
When is the can you look it up real quick
because I'm incapable of speaking and gliding the internets.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
What you need?
Speaker 3 (41:46):
What you need?
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I need to know when are all the claims official
off the waiver wire?
Speaker 5 (41:53):
So cuts are made?
Speaker 4 (41:55):
This weekend? Cuts made?
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Oh they made Sunday or Monday morning.
Speaker 4 (41:59):
That's what I need to know. Winter cuts made. Because
there's gonna be over one thousand players.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Tuesday at two o'clock is the final. You have to
have fifty three.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
Tuesday two okay, okay, all right?
Speaker 4 (42:09):
So you know they trickle them out Monday and Stiff
exactly right. They're going to be rolling in Monday and Tuesday.
We'll know a little more about where these guys end up.
But that's exactly what's going to happen. New Orleans is
a perfect candidate that that's a team right now. Their
starting quarterback may not even be on the roster right now.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Here's the Here's the question I want to ask.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
You think Schador Sanders could compete with Shock Tyler Shuck
and and Spencer Rent. I like it.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
I don't like how his name is Shuck and it's
spelled like show, spelled like schef. Yeah, either way, I
would think that I would think that this guy would
to this guy.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
I think that Sho Door would be able to give
those guys a run for their money.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
This is the question I want to ask, just real quick,
real quick. This applies to both quarterback and pitchers in baseball.
Why do people, scouts teams get so enamored with the
the big arm as to oppose the accurate army? Why
in football is the guy who puts the ball on
the money but doesn't have the strongest arms bucket.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Well, I think there's a cursory. You gotta have enough
of arm to throw a twenty yard out.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
If you can't do that, you can't play in the league, Okay,
And you have to get it there with a certain
amount of zip, otherwise it's going to take too long
for a play. To develop in all the degree. Yeah,
in all the best quarterbacks are signed to your exceptions
to the rule.
Speaker 5 (43:33):
But right now, they'll give me an example of a
of a guy with a bad arm that that.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Philip Rivers was insanely accurate. He could do Philip Rivers
terrible arm, but insanely accurate.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
He could hit the terrible arm.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
He could throw a ball. It looks weird.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Well, when you talk about zip vic, there was a
lot of zip on Philip Rivers arm, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
I remember watching Joe Montana versus John Elway in that
flag football game they played at the.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
Old Mile Hide. You remember foot ball? Yeah, yeah, And
I'm on the field. That was it. That was a
great football game.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
That was awesome. That's I'm on the field watching both
of these legendary quarterbacks throw the ball. And obviously l
Way with his distinctive zip, you know, he threw it's
so hard, so fast, and Montana was more of a
touch passer. But I do remember using your argument there
up right when he threw the ball, You're like, oh,
well that's not going to get there, and then all
of a sudden next thing, you know, oh my.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
God, it's always spots right in the bucket. It's almost
I've said this before, I'll reiterate it. When you watch
Joe Montana throw the football, you were like, oh, big arm,
Jeff George John Elway, that kind of thing. But if
the ball had to get there, the flipping ball got there,
and you're like, whoa, yep, I mean it got there,
Vic it did. You're right about that. Everybody wants a
(44:47):
Joe Milton. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
It is fun to watch though. See that's where I
get caught up. I'm like, it is fun to watch him,
Joe Billmore, Joe Milton.
Speaker 5 (44:55):
His uncle Rico. I bet, I bet I throw football
court wow. And see that's what See, that's what Elway was.
Though Elway had the arm and he could play. He
was Sud's bucket. Yeah, dude, I mean the Joe Burrow
of SuDS bucket. I mean Matt Stafford at SuDS buck
You talk about the Lamar Jackson can be Sud's bucket.
Mahomes SuDS bucket.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
I'm gonna dust something off.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
Aaron Rodgers win his prime.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
I'm gonna dust something off. Haven't done this in a while,
but we're getting close to the season. About another edition
of some NFL True False Get to it next.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
How do you know what that?
Speaker 5 (45:32):
Why are you clapping
Popular Podcasts
Law & Order: Criminal Justice System - Season 1 & Season 2
Season Two Out Now! Law & Order: Criminal Justice System tells the real stories behind the landmark cases that have shaped how the most dangerous and influential criminals in America are prosecuted. In its second season, the series tackles the threat of terrorism in the United States. From the rise of extremist political groups in the 60s to domestic lone wolves in the modern day, we explore how organizations like the FBI and Joint Terrorism Take Force have evolved to fight back against a multitude of terrorist threats.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
Gregg Rosenthal and a rotating crew of elite NFL Media co-hosts, including Patrick Claybon, Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic get you caught up daily on all the NFL news and analysis you need to be smarter and funnier than your friends.