0:00 - The Avalanche signed former Sabres & Golden Knights forward Victor Olofsson. What can he bring to the team?
15:55 - Brett likes to think of himself as a well-rounded intellectual human being. But can he argue AGAINST an argument he made? Can he argue the opposite perspective of something he believes in? Let's see.
Next, Conor McGahey is out in Carbondale with Moser and the Altitude TV crew. Let's have him hop on the headset to see what he thinks of the Broncos offseason.
33:01 - Conor sticks around and offers his insight into the Victor Olofsson signing and what his role will be on the team.
15:55 - Brett likes to think of himself as a well-rounded intellectual human being. But can he argue AGAINST an argument he made? Can he argue the opposite perspective of something he believes in? Let's see.
Next, Conor McGahey is out in Carbondale with Moser and the Altitude TV crew. Let's have him hop on the headset to see what he thinks of the Broncos offseason.
33:01 - Conor sticks around and offers his insight into the Victor Olofsson signing and what his role will be on the team.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
We as you were saying yesterday, Hey, I don't want
to I don't want to comment on this because it's
not done yet. Well guess what it's done. The Avs
have acquired Victor Olafson one year, one and a half
mill thoughts.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I think it's a good risk. I mean one and
a half mill is for It's not peanuts, you know
what I mean. It's it's pretty good for a guy
who is looking for a job. But I think he's
a guy that if he can recapture his form of
a couple years ago and stay healthy, I think it's
a good bet by the Colorado Avalanche. He certainly helps
(00:58):
fill out what I think is the boss him six
right now. And if he can add that goal scoring
touch back to his to his game effectively enough. I mean,
if he was a half a point game with Vegas
essentially last year is what he was, right.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
If you could be a half a point, half a
point a game guy, yeah, yeah, half a point of
game guy. If you can stay healthy and be a
half a pointed game guy, that's a that's huge for
this Avalanche team.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Huge. I mean it's huge for any team for a
guy to rack up forty points in the season, you know, when.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Playing that on a third, third line, fourth line. Yeah.
Not to mention, he seems to be good enough to
where if in a pinch, if you need to elevate him,
he can probably do that too. He can do a
special stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, he's got skilly and skated. To me, it's just
a matter of staying healthy. The last two seasons for
him have been you know, he's played just over fifty games. Yeah,
and so you're missing a significant amount of time. So
if he can stay healthy, I think that's that's the
whole key here and again in Knock on your Wall
and I say, if he can stay healthy, you hope.
(02:03):
You can't pretend a guy is gonna get injured. But
that history is there, so good people, I have no
problem with it whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
He was the best guy left on the market, right,
or at least one of them, I think.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So, Yeah, it's a it's a good gamble for the
Avalanche to take.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes. That way, It's not like Uh, you mentioned it.
It's not nothing, but it's a relatively low risk, you know.
It's it's still the Aves have been very, very good
at one thing over the last few years. You take
sort of the cheap flyer on somebody and just see
if if you can get something out of him, Like
(02:41):
whatever you thought of Jonathan Drew and he wasn't good
enough to receive a bigger contract from the Avs this year,
especially with how cap strapped they were. Uh, but he was,
for the money, a really good investment over the last
two years for the Avs. Vala Chushkin obviously one of
those guys where you you take a flyer on him
and then you're like, oh, no, he can he can
(03:03):
play play Okay, got it?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah? And with Kivvy back in the mix as well,
and Parker Kelly under contract now with his new deal.
When you look now bred at the Avs, when Logan
O'Connor comes back, I keep talking about, gosh, you really
would like one of those kids from the Eagles to
be able to solidify a spot, right, that would be great.
I mean, if one of these guys can actually become
(03:26):
a National Hockey League player anytime soon, you know, consistently.
Then that's a I think you need that right for
the future, you need that. That being said, when Loc
comes back, you won't need that because when you look
at the presumptive lines, you've got Lekkingen with McKinnon in
the middle and Natus on the right hand side. Second line,
(03:49):
you have brought Nelson in the middle, on his left
his game and on his right his val That's a
that's a pretty heavy duty line. It's a big line. Yeah,
pretty heavy duty. They look at that third line, you
got Jack Drury in the middle, you got Ross Cole
on one side, You've got all of Sudden on the
other side. And then if you go down to the
fourth line, Parker Kelly Tivvy is gonna is gonna anchor
that that the middle and you've got Kivvy and you've
(04:09):
got Loc. Theoretically that's you know, I mean, and and
again as you're hoping for.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You're hoping for like maybe an Ivan Ivan can prove
he can play at that level or somebody else, right, Yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Know, Steinbergy really kind of anybody to be honest with you, so.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Moj I know that you had this is personal time.
It wasn't professional time, or you were out with EJ
the other day, But uh, EJ say anything to you
about what plans are conversations anything like that, anything that
really rivied information. I guess no, not really. I think.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Look, he's in great shape, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Working out with the guys over family.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I think I think he can still play the game.
I'm sure he thinks he can still play the game.
But uh, I don't know that it's going to be
with the Colorado Aval. But you know, I think that
he can help somebody. Put it that way. Yeah, I
think he could definitely help somebody. Is all of sen
a second power play unit?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Guy? Is he on that second team?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
He's got that ability. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't
mind seeing him there.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Because your first one, he's your first one's pretty sad.
We know what the first one is gonna look like.
But that second one, I mean, I feel like he
can be a fit on that thing, right and those guys,
let's I mean, let's be honest about it. The first
power play unit takes about a minute and forty seconds
and then second power play comes in, Like if they
can get one rush down the ice, then that's it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Kinda kind of that's kind of the way it is.
I believe I'm guessing that coach Bednar is going to
have a highly experimental second unit at camp. Yeah, because
what you're what I mean, you know who's got skill
and obviously this kid's got a great shot. You know
who's got skill. You know who's got size to bang
(05:58):
in front of them that you know all these things.
M h. But how do guys work together? And do
you want to you know, do you want to keep
two D on that second power play or do you
want to do like you do with the top unit
and just have one D? You know, is it just tasers?
It it's you know, he and Sammy.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
G do a pretty good job.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I don't know. I mean, we'll find out in a
month here when we get to camp, and we'll find
out when we get the preseason, you know, exactly what
he wants. When did we start talking to the coach again?
By the way.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Tv P, Well, it always feels like it's right around
camp or the season, right around that season charity tournament, right,
that's kind of the first time we get to talk
to Bedsy and then it's like a couple of weeks
after that season starts, So I would assume then you
want me to uh but to have his his weekly start.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Now I text him and go, hey, what are you
gonna do with the second power play? Yes? Hey, man,
he'll probably say, shut up. Uh, I don't even know.
Let's find we'll find out in a month. That kind
of thing. Hey, although you know you know that he
you know that he right now he takes some time off.
He likes to mow his lawn. You know, he gets
(07:12):
on his tractor and he mows his lawn, and he
probably takes his boat out a little bit, you know
that kind of thing. The mountains gets way, the mountains
chop some wood, and you know, do.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You think he chops his own? Do you think he
chops his own? Like he goes out and he starts,
he starts hacking away with an axe on top of
a tree stump.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's sort of therapeutic, man, maybe maybe.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Before I want to do it. Well, you've never chopped wood,
never chopped wood? Have you ever? Have you ever?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You haven't ever.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I've done a slap chop. Okay, you want me to
chop up some onions for like vegetables and crap, I'll
chop up some onions for you.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
No, but but it can be therapeutic, man, it can
be uh, you know, just you chopping wood, you and
your axe, just doing your thing.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You can up a nice mirror plaw.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
But does anybody really have a fireplace anymore? Like a
fireplace fireplace or is it just you flip the switch
in the gas cot.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
My old house had one. I never used it because
it looked really dirty and I had to get it cleaned.
And it was in a room that I was never in.
Like if it was in my living room, different thing,
I might have used it a lot more. But it
was like it was in this off room to the side,
and I'm like, I'm never sitting there, like.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
A basement bathroom. You got a you got like a.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, it's okay, your living room in our house.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Fireplace is in the garage. You didn't really make much sense.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
No, no, no, it's so in our house. You walk
through our old house, our front door, there was a
living room and there was the kitchen, and it was
one of those it was like you had like three
steps to get down to where the patio area was
in the backyard to the sliding door, and it was
a room that was like that, and I was like,
I've never used that room. It was just there. It
was a waste of space. Anyway, Hey, I was just
(08:59):
reading this article on ESPN and I actually think this
is this is kind of like a fun exercise. So
it's an article by Ben Solac. He ranks all thirty
two teams in the league by a very subjective metric,
but that metric is watchability. For years, the Broncos have
(09:24):
been not just bad, but boring and like unwatchable. Right
if you go back to that Hacket year, it was
like it was death on your eyeballs. It was so
bad that people would leave a game as the game
is heading into overtime saying I've had enough of this.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
There was zero excitement, man, there was I recall us
more of myself, even lamenting. Man was the last time
I jumped off my couch? Remember that?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
When was the last time I had a off the
couch moment? I mean that had and that went on
for years around this, around this place.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So forget where Ben sol has them ranked for a second.
I'll tell you and in a moment, as far as
watchability for the Broncos, how excited are you going to
be to just watch every game of them this year,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, Harry, Yeah, I mean, first of all, I think
the defense is going to be bludgeoning. I'm really I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Excited about that side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I can't wait to watch them go to work against
some very good teams and see how they stacked up,
because I think they're gonna be very good. But I
look at the offensive weapons. You know, we were talking
about R. J. Harvey and him darting through between the
tackles right and getting skinny, and again Throckmorton made a
terrific block. Yeah, I mean out in front of the play,
(10:43):
make a terrific block on the dB. But watching him
get skinny, it's these kind of things. Now, Brett, plus
the Poppy's got you know, and and so these kind
of things. Yeah, it's really it's wetting my whistle that
I think there's gonna be big, you know, some big plays.
But I think they're gonna be a one team because
they've got skill. They're not I'm not talking about high
end craziness, but they've got skill, and I think they've
(11:06):
got the ability to spread it around. They're gonna find guys.
I just think it's gonna it's gonna look the part,
it's gonna move, the part.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Watchability is almost exclusively about offense. Right, You're very rarely
tuning into.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Me you got unless you got Nick Benito just and
Zach Allen's just blowing guys up.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
But I'm just saying the the casual fan I don't
think would tune into a game to be like, I
have to see this team play defense, right, it's about right,
who's gonna throw the eighty yard bomb? Which running back
is gonna break the sixty yard run? Whatever? I think
the Broncos are going to be as watchable as they've
(11:46):
been god man prop Yes, since like Manning, since that,
like this is going to be the best version, the
most exciting version, at least it should be in a
law long time.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I don't want to say that there that there haven't
been exciting moments, because there have been, and even last year,
I mean last year was more exciting than because and
by the way, you know what helps that bread winning
winning helps that winning winning winning is very watcha Yeah,
winning is fun. Winning Winning makes everything more watchable and
more exciting. And there have been big plays. I mean
(12:22):
even you know, watching Teddy with his with his business decision,
I guess that was that was watchable, right, likes he doing.
But I think that that the winning adds to all
of that. The winning adds to to you look at
it through a better and more pleasing lens, And so
(12:44):
even plays that you might find mundane in the past,
you might go, hey, man, that I really like that
because you're winning.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Right by the way, so like has them as fifteenth
in the league for watchability reasons.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Who do you think is he seems go ahead, That
seems that seems entirely reasonable to me.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Me too, Yeah, I think so Who's what are you
saying who's most watchable? Well, here's here's how he did
his metric. Again, this is all subjective, but I kind
of like this. He said, what am I grading watchability on?
Big plays, close games, star players? And then he has
one that says cool stuff?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
All right, let me let me take Let me take
a guess. It's got to be the Lions. The Lions
are third third, Okay, it's gotta be Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Buffalo is oh, Buffalo's down the list.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
They're eleventh to n Well, because Josh Allen running the
football is exciting, and he's you know.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
He's Josh Allen Colleen, who do I well?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Washington's fun. Jaydon Daniels is fun to watch, that's Jackson's
fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Washington. Number one is Washington, Number two is Baltimore, three
is Detroit, four is Cincion, five is Philly. I think
that's that's all of those teams are. Like if they
are playing, how about this, here's how you'd measure watchability.
Your team is not involved in the game. It's Thursday
night football, right, Washington's on, I'm gonna watch, Baltimore's on,
(14:22):
watch Detroit's on. You'd watch like I think all of
that would apply. Now if that game is if it's
if it's Tennessee versus Carolinrolina, I might have it on
the background, not not.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Fully focused Tennessee versus Carolina. That's socked drawer time, right,
that's say, man, I got to clear a little bit
of this out here. Yeah, that's funny. What do you
think is last Well, it's it's one of those teams.
It's it's Carolina, it's Tennessee, it's no is it the Browns.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It's the Cleveland Browns' he has he has like they've
got they've got players there.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
He has two paragraphs on basically every team going down
this list, except here's what he said to Cleveland at
number thirty two. No thank you well, and then he goes, well, actually,
I'll watch the first Shodor Sanders start in week twelve
just to enjoy the pasgeantry of it all. But other
than that, no thanks.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
They've got some players there, man, I that's well.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Kill Flacco's a drip. I get that.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
But I don't know, man, what he'd rather watch the
Carolina Panthers play football? Really? Yes, okay, answer you mention.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I was gonna see you're gonna say the Saints.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
The Saints don I have a quarterback, so that's gonna
make it abysmal to watch.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Dude, this is so okay. There's there's one more detail
in this list that I totally agree with that I
think is gonna blow people's minds.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
We'll get to next, the millionaire and his wife right back.
Then you'll hear you.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
They're delay. You're delayed first of all, because you're on delayed,
not even on the beat. And that is not Gilligan.
This is a big timers still.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Sounds it sounds like the theme song the Gilligan's New
Least stopped for one second?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Can we just please?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
No, just could just would you humor me for two seconds?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Please?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Because I can't be alone in this and Vic's not here.
One to eat his crow and two to back me
up on this. Find the theme song to Gilligan's Island
and just tell me that they didn't rip him off.
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
That's all I'm That's all I'm saying. Call it a
rip off. They would call it sampling.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
No, they call it flattering. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
That's what it's called. It's using a sample. Okay, so
it's it's not very much like that's that's not that part.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Hut no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
You gotta get to the point with your lickin the
skip BIRDO.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Okay this God.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Fast forward, Nelly, fast forward.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Here you go, thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah. Yeah, it sounds just like it mosh ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
The whole thing was ruined because Nelly went to the end.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
That's okay. It's called by the way, it's called sampling.
It's like when Chris Stapleton made the song Tennessee Whiskey.
That song is originally Atta James, I'd rather be blind
that he made into Tennessee whiskey, both phenomenal songs.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Sounds like a rip off to me, But what do
I know?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It's called sampling all right.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
By the way, Connor's here, No.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Enough but enough now, No doesn't work, I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's the same damn song. It's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Uh So anyway, anyway, we'll talk to Jeff Lagweald at
nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I got ailed in.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I think this is a healthy exercise for human being. Okay,
I think you should all do this, no matter what
we're talking about, whether it's your job or your personal
life or whatever. You have an opinion on something, it
is healthy to be. Like, if I had to argue
the opposite side, what would I say? And I think
that helps you get perspective and moser. I've done this
(18:27):
sometimes where I've actually changed my mind. I'm like, I
made such a good argument against myself. I changed my
own mind.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
So you convinced yourself that you were wrong, and now
you convince yourself that you're now right. Yes, that sounds
like a psychological issue, but go ahead, I.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Would call it somebody. I would call that being a
healthy human being who is a malleable person that's able
to have their mind changed.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, well that's yeah by another person making a good argument. Okay,
go ahead, here's what.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm getting at. The Broncs have done a lot of
right things, a lot of things. I've been like, you
know what, I agree with this move. I agree with this.
I agree with this when it comes to the Vley trade.
If I had to argue the opposite side, what would
be the argument, what would be the reason why they
shouldn't have done this?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
You can never have too much depthed wide receiver, right,
I mean, all it takes. And again they've been remarkably healthy.
All you've got to do is look at the San
Francisco forty nine ers. And by the way, one of
their whiteouts is now getting suspended for three games.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Do you see that? Yes? Four games or three games?
You're right, DeMarcus Robinson.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
DeMarcus Robinson's out for three games for his dui thing,
and then everybody else has hurt except for Ricky Pearsall
that would be a case for a good lord. We
need devond Veiley like yesterday on this roster, would it
not that that would be the only thing, or maybe
he develops into some sort of you know, pro Bowl star.
(19:51):
I don't think that's gonna happen. I think his ceiling
is what it is, and he's a good player, not
a great player, but a good player. You know, you
trade them away for a fourth and the seventh and
he becomes a pro bowler. That that's kind of what
happened with Jerry Judy. But that experiment had already run
its course here. So here's Yes, that's a part of it.
(20:12):
But the well, either of those arguments, and they make sense,
would either one preclude you from making this deal? Now?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I am? I am. I'm telling you right now, I
am not able to convince myself of the opposite side.
But if I had to argue, what it's this if
you are in a Super Bowl window, Sean Payton said it. Okay,
I am not saying this. This is Sean Payton. He said,
And I think the quote was I have coached seven teams.
(20:39):
Was it seven teams that I think were capable of
winning a championship? And he said, this is my eighth.
Wasn't it something along those lines. That's what he said. Yes,
that's basically what he said. Yeah, if you feel like
you're in that window and you have a player that
is talented enough to be flipped for a fourth round pick,
should you be in the business of trading good players?
(21:01):
That's the question. Should you be in the business of
letting a good player go for a future's asset when
you're focused on the now? That would be the argument
now here.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, no, because because that because that roster spot right
is for the now, That roster that that's that roster
spot is not for down the road in two years.
That roster spot is for right now. We're gonna we're
gonna keep a guy that we feel can help us
better win a Super Bowl championship.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Here's my argument against my argument, which is against my argument.
Thank you for the guy that laugh the the that's me.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I'm just sitting here listening.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, during the next commercial break, we're going to move
our location across the patio so that we can turn
the cameras so he can jump on and hang out.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Cool. No, I'm just enjoying listening.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Connor. Listen to my argument against my argument, which is
against my argument. Here's what it is. Yes, take notes
here roadmap.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Uh uh I.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
The reason I don't buy the you don't. You aren't
in the business of trading away good players when you're
in the championship window. Is the good player has to
be a guy that's gonna play. And I understand the
point to depth. Here's what I feel like they think
Devon Vley is. Here's what I think he is. He's
a good player who's replaceable. Like I think that you
can take somebody like a Joaquin Davis and make him
(22:25):
who Veley was. Bailey's not ultra fast. He did a
good job of getting open. The one thing he did
really well, which nets teams. He's ultra tall. I mean no,
he's tall. In reliship, he's a yes, you put it
within the catch radius. He grabs the football. That's what
a good wide receiver does. It's because when you've got value.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
When you look at Trent Sherfield, Uh, he's not tall. No,
you see what I'm getting out of me? Like you
you don't just say, Okay, we've got Trent Sherfield and
you know, well, she's not He's not.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
A little guy.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I'm going more like to the Courtney Jackson who's under
six feet Okay, Man Mims right, Okay, Okay, let me
go to Corny Jackson. He's a little pass catcher. Bailey
was a big pass catcher. You're not gonna turn that
guy into what Bailey was in terms of jump balls
and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I keep bringing this up, though, there's I think there
is a firm ceiling above the head of Devon Valley
of who he is. Like he feels like one of
the guys that are like this motion. I'm sure you've
seen this a million times in the NHL. The guy
gets into the league and you're like, pretty good player,
and you know, within like six or seven months, you're like, oh,
that's all he is. Though, Yeah, he's just that there's
(23:37):
no room for this guy to get better and better
and better, you know what I mean. Like, there's guys
threads that feel that way.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Well, but there are guys that all they need to
see him is for three games and I'm like, yeah, this.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yes, yes, you're like this is all that guy's gonna be,
which is fine, which is a fine player, but if
you want something more, you weren't getting that out of him.
And I think that's who.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Vele is and Connor. Would you would you agree with
that statement? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Would, Yes, I would, thanks for speaking from you today.
The part of Connor mcgehe will be played by Mark
mos Yes, but but no, honestly right on the money,
because there's some guy and it doesn't pick a sport,
it doesn't matter. The eye test never fails. I feel
like you and you don't have to be a scout.
You don't have to be you know, a Mike Sandford
(24:27):
level genius of knowing ball to figure that out. Yes, right,
I think you know right away more often than.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
That, yep.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And I just I think that's what the Vley story was.
He's a good player that they thought they had better of,
and they he had a firm ceiling. Now but but
you know, Brett, and we go back to this, to
this deal.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
And listen to that. Though that sounds weird now, kind
of yeah, you want me to go out here, You're fine.
We go back to this. It's just the echo goup
for one, I'm facing this location lack of my face. No,
we go back to this deal, though, Brett, and the
idea is that there's nobody against this. Nobody's looking at
it and saying, oh man, this is a bad trade,
or this is you know, this is Yeah, this shouldn't
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have gone down the way it's gone down. I can't.
I can't think of a reason unless you're a member
of Veley's family and you think he's gonna be a
future Hall of Famer somehow at the age of twenty seven.
Other than that, how could you not like this deal?
I haven't heard me, and you won't hear one curse
word about it at all.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well, I got one text writes this, Okay, I like
this because it's been It's been very lovey dovey with
the Broncos. Now I want to see, like, if is
there something else here? Well?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I think I think it should be.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Here's what a Texas says. Broncos wide receivers are mid.
Their wide receiver depth is trash. The hype for this
team is completely insane. Unproven rookie in mid vet running
backs and a twenty six year old mid quarterback in
his sophomore season. Defense is awesome if healthy. I that that?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Okay, Hello, Kansas City fan, I mean what you would
have been saying, Pillow Raiders fan. What do you want
me to say to that person? Here's the thing that
sounds like it.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, look, I think it's it's fine to have a
level of skepticism without without actually saying it. Like, I
think there's things that are over the top. I just
saw cow Herd the other day. He was doing his
uh what is it, that stupid thing called the Herd hierarchy.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, but he's he's a little he's a little over
the top with it because he and Sean are are
are buddies.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Well, I've always said that if you hear Colin Cowherd
saying something about the Broncos or Sean Payton, that's positive.
Take it with a healthy grain of salt, because I'm
pretty sure those guys FaceTime each other every night or
something like that. You know, it's uh, they're very good friends,
I guess after their Fox stuff. But the deal is,
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he has his top ten teams, he calls it the
Herd hierarchy, and he has the Bronco's at fourth. And
I'm like, all right, dude, let's let's calm him down
a little bit on the fourth best team in the league.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
That it's a little that's a little crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
But I think having skepticism emotion is fine. I think
if you weren't to acknowledge, they are much better offensively
than they were last year. I think that's not being
fair either.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Is it fair to see that they're also better now defensively?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
If they're healthy? Y, yes, had you had.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
A top five defense last year and I think you
only got better with the addition of green Law and Ufonga. Okay,
So that being said, dude, what is there not to
like about what this team is doing? Like from the
five to one to four at hahap or lol Champagne
is joke. Broncos have no shot at winning a Super Bowl.
Me maybe it's a long shot, but they got a shot.
(27:37):
I mean they do. And people are thinking that the
you know, this guy's mid, this guy's mid, this guy's mid.
They got better offensively. You added a great weapon in Ingram.
Now health is gonna be a big factor. You upgraded
the running back spot. Your quarterback's going into year two,
so he's not learning the playbook. He's gonna play and
just be a free quarterback. Why are people all against this?
(27:59):
Why are pep so bitter about it? Right now?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Mcgaheere, you are the voice of Mile High Stadium. We
hear your your voice thundering and echoing that throughout that thing.
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Well, I just.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Where does Veley fit on your list of wide receivers
on this team right now? What number number five?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It would have been fifth?
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Okay, if you have a chance to get not one,
but two draft picks for your fifth, fifth wide receiver,
I say you do that every single day of the week. Yeah,
we motion and I were playing here yesterday and that's
when the press release came out and we both had
the same reaction.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
That makes a lot of sense to.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Me because you can achieve both goals at once. You
can have your big guns play one through four wide receivers,
and you're requiring capital to keep this window that you're
now in open longer. I think that's that's great management,
uh from the Denver Broncos. And what again, Like we
(29:04):
were saying earlier, Vele I think is Devon Vley Like
that's where he's going to be. He's not going to
be anything higher than a fifth, you know, a number
five receiver on this team. If you can get that deal,
I think it pick a sport. You do that anytime anywhere.
I really do.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Plus it's that roster spot too, but that we've been
talking about. Yeah, you get that roster spot and those
are just in case. Yeah, they're very, very valuable. I
don't I don't see. I don't see how anybody could
be against this deal, how anybody could view it as
anything other than an absolute win for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
So again, we'll we'll talk more with Connor mcgahe about
the Lofson deal, because I really you know what's funny
to me is that all these names, whether it's a Lausen, Olisen, Olifsen,
I don't know why I.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Get so hot on this for you.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Olafson a good good job. Yes, I'm having a lot
of trouble saying that one.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Oh Newie, thanks for keeping that, Nelly, I appreciate that one.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Were you trying to say Newfoundland to him, I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
For the life of me, I couldn't say Newfoundland. I
struggled for three times.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Burton only can't say Scotia like Scotia Banks saddled home.
He can't say Scotia, Scotia, Brett Scotia. Yeah, Bert can't
say that word.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Can't do it.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Say it like Burt would say it, man, And come on,
give me a little.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Please tonight at night? What is it what is it called?
What the the arena call? He'll say, Okay, he'll say
squ He'll say squig. He'll see at Scotia Bank Arena,
something like that. Pretty good, pretty good. I'm losing my
burdo now. I think I've done so many shows with
Berto when you guys were out in Italy that I
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it's like I've lost my touch. Feels that way.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Wouldn't it be the opposite. You would be all fine
because you're right. You're just It's like if if you
live in Spain for a year, all of a sudden
you speak Spanish.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
No, I feel like I don't around.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
So now you speak Berto.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
No, It's it didn't translate that way.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Interesting. It's it's almost like when I did a Todd
Bowles yesterday after Nelly did it. When I did it
before Nelly did it, I felt like it was better
than after when Nelly did it because Nelly's.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Because Nelly's is so good. Yes, Nelly, one more time?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
They playing noise? You know they got a dome right?
So good? How did I miss that?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
So you want to get the conn Airs thought on
on ol of sin.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, you want to do that. When we come back.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Sure, Yeah, why don't we do that? If we're gonna
tell you what we'll do, we're gonna move to a
better location because obviously I got the tape. Yeah, this
one's gotten a little bit, a little bit closed in here,
and the sun's moved on, and so on and so forth.
I'm trying to look good for you.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
It's not gonna work.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Whatever. Whatever you feel more most comfortable doing most So
you go ahead and you shuffle around during the break.
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when we return McGahee Moser the hockey Man, we'll talk
about the trade that it was made or I'm sorry,
the acquisition of Victor Olafson and what he can bring
to the Avs this upcoming season, where he fits, could
he be a power play guy. I will get to
(33:00):
all of that next all right, Jeff like, well, it's
gonna join us in about fifteen minutes. Stay tuned for that,
as he will will get his reaction to the Devon
Vley trade and where that leaves the Broncos as far
as the fifty three man roster heading it into the
final week of the preseason. You like this better? Is
that a little good for you? It looks fine. Motion
didn't complain about it before, but whatever again, whatever your
(33:21):
heart desires you it. Yes, So the Victor Olofsen acquisition
yesterday a one year, one and a half million dollar deal.
He looks to be a third line guy for the
Avs and potentially maybe second power play dude. But overall, Connor,
you like Moje. You've watched a whole bunch of hockey.
You've watched a whole bunch of Victor Olifson.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
What's your thoughts, well, I mean, like anybody, he struggles
in Buffalo. That's just a that's a hard and fast
rule of sports is that you struggle. If it's not
nineteen ninety nine and Dominic Hashik is your goaltender, you
struggle with the Buffalo Savers. So he comes to Vegas
last year and it's a left handed shot. You know what,
I'll tell you what. We're missing. That left handed shot
(34:04):
one timer right now a big time. I would not
be shocked if Olison ends up on a power play unit,
if maybe not the top power play unit you had
Drew n out right, and the way that Olison can
shoot the pucket, it's actually perfect, I think for the
ads and how it sets up thirty goals. You're talking
(34:25):
like half a point per game guy, Like you guys
said yesterday, that's exactly what you want for your bottom six.
The top six, I would make the argument, is the
best top six in the National Hockey League. Again, went healthy, but.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Bottom six needs a little bit of help.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
You need NHL guys, And he was I think he
was the top sort of free agent left for me.
I think as far as forward.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, we were talking, Yeah, we were talking about it. Too,
a little surprised he was still out there.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Again, I think maybe he was shopping around a little bit.
What can I get? You know, there's no I guess
hurry unless you know somebody's gonna throw a five million
year at him. That was not gonna happen. But we
were talking about it earlier, Connor. I don't know what
Coach is gonna do in terms of his power play
units this year, Brett, because now you've got you've got
a guy who will go hard to the front of
the net and Valenciers gonna we know that, and you
(35:11):
got the captain back and that's his role. He's gonna
be at the front of the net. He's gonna be
retrieving poks, he's gonna get second opportunities. That's gonna be
what he.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Does as well.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
So those but both those guys sort of fill that
same role. Although they can play on the half wall
and don't don't get me wrong, but they sort of
fill that same role. So will you split them up?
And you're talking about the top unit being out there
for a minute forty five and then this second unit
gets fifteen seconds of time, and uh, maybe that'll change
a little bit maybe it'll be you know, it'll hey,
both units can roll, right, So we'll see, we'll see
(35:43):
how it works out. Because I'm sure he's going through
that right now in his own head.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Because he's a twenty goal guy and he's been multiple
times in the NHL. You know who he kind of
gives me vibes of is Andre Berokowski for whatever reason.
I mean, talk about a pure sniper in the league.
I mean that twenty two Cup run, Rokowski had some
big goals. I honestly think that Olison can be that
type of guy, especially in your bottom six. So I
(36:07):
actually really like this a lot. The money works out again,
kind of like Drew in two years ago, one year
to DLC if it fits, and again the cap is
going up and that helps nobody more than the Colorado Avalanche.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
From this year to next.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
So this this is good all around for the as.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
By the way, moj I don't buy this for a second,
not a single second, that they are going to split
the time evenly between the first and second time. If
you think that Nate McKinnon is coming off the ice
before a minute off on that power play.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Fine, maybe it'll be. Maybe it'll be a hybrid. But
are you gonna put ninety two? You gonna put Landeskaga
and that you was going to the same unit.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Sure, yeah, sure, let's go ahead. What do you know,
prober Sure, I like you will do it, and like
you will do it too.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Obviously you know what I mean. But more five on five.
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I mean you have Lecky Val and Gabe. You got
net front guys. Now, yeah, you need that circle open
and all often is I mean the left handed one
timer that you had with Miko Ranton and I do
honestly think is back now with Victor Oi.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
And if if McKinnon is dishing across man finding that
scene for the one timer, yep, this guy's just gonna
be able to bomb at the front of the net bomb.
So I guess we'll see. I can't wait to get
the camp. We got about a month here, a little
less than a month before training camp starts for about
a month September eighteenth. There you go a little less
than a month now, So we'll find out. I mean,
(37:31):
we'll we'll see what what jar Bendar wants to do.
In fact, talk amongst yourself for a second'll text talk
amongst yourselves.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I'll give you a topic.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Why do we talk on driveway from drive on parkways discuss.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
So you know what's funny, uh, Connor, is that I've
said that the Avs this offseason have been basically the
Pablo Escobar meme of just silently looking out the window
at everybody else doing things. But I don't think it's unexpected,
right what this offseason has been considering. I mean, you
have a team that you feel like is really good
and you didn't. You don't feel like you have to
change too much. I keep going back to this, and
(38:05):
sorry Avs fans to bring up bad memories, but it's
like during the Dallas series, you were better than what
Dallas was five on five, but the second it got
the special teams, they capitalized on what felt like every
opportunity they got, and you just didn't. And maybe it's
over simplifying this, but I feel like sometimes it is
just kind of as simple as you score a few
more times on the power play and that series is
(38:27):
over in like five or six games.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I make the argument Brett that it was you were
two power play goals away. Yeah, maybe from just winning
that series and the margins are so much thinner in
the playoffs. We talk about that cliche all the time,
but it was so evident in that series last year.
It really was that it just it boiled to the surface.
You had the power play struggles, you had Kill mccarr's struggles.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Just unlucky.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I mean, all the luck that the Abs had in
twenty two, they had absolutely none of it in that
series last year.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Hey, I know that Edmonton got to the Cup Final.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
What did you do? By the way, where did you go? Oh?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
I texted Jared to see his head swimming or if
he's totally cool with his units? All right?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Copy that.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I know Edmonton went to the final and it's a
damn fine team. I just I don't believe in the
Edmonton I just don't believe that they're a Cup winning team.
And I know that they I know they they keep
getting there and they keep doing this and they keep
doing that. But I just I think when when I
look when I look at the Central and I look
at the Avs in Dallas and Winnipeg, and Winnipeg obviously
the regular season they're fine. Postseason, they're they're goalie falls apart,
(39:35):
and he's a super vegientis stud the margin of error
between even for Dallas too, the margin of error against
the Avalanches razor thin. And if you know, if the
Avs win, there's no doubt in my mind, they're certainly
in the West Final. If not the Stanley Cup Final.
I'm not saying they'd win, but I'm saying they'd be there. Well,
no doubt, my.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Mush, I would look. I used to be a betting man.
I am not any more. I was told by people
within this company that you shouldn't be doing that. So
I'm like, okay, fine, all stop. But if I were
still your wife worked for this company, Brat, if I
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were still a betting man, I would put a sizable
amount on Edmonton not making the finals again, because we
know how hard it is to make a finals trip
back to back. Now, teams ironically have done that three
different three different teams have done that repeatedly over the
last few years. But it's one thing to do that
when you win, to go back to back like Florida did.
(40:40):
It's another thing to get there and lose twice in
a row and to keep that same sort of a
luck because you do need some luck when you make
runs like that. Health all the different things it takes
to make it. I heard Draymond Green say this, and
it's easy for him to say it because he has
multiple rings to his hand. But Raymond Green said, if
you don't in the title, you almost want to lose
(41:01):
in the first round, to not be worn out the
following year, to not have the grind of that playoff run,
to come up shortses and come away with nothing.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
The late great Peter McNabb and I talked about this
so much, man, even for Florida, I wouldn't bet, even
though those guys took a discount to go back and
try for a three peat. I dig, you know, and
they're a great, great team, incredibly well coached by Maurice,
but they've played so much important hockey the Cup final
the year before they won. Now they've won two in
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a row. Dude, that's you're talking about multiple years in
a row of going deep, deep deep, and it's really
it's it's really hard. I mean, it really is. It's
it takes a toll on bodies, and you know, if
you're not a spring chicken anymore, then it adds up
over time. And I agree with with your assessment of
(41:51):
Edmonton as well. Look, Vegas is a good club. The
La Kings are a good club, maybe even great club.
Great stuff. Oh gosh, okay, what don't read that, Vic,
Stay off of there. He's just gonna make yourself bad.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I was going for the Corey Perry tech is true,
and they're terrific clubs. But the path to get there
is easier in that division than it is in the
central period and the story and so you know it.
Playoff hockey's hard, no matter what division you're in, no
matter how it stacks up, But the path to get there,
in my opinion, is easier out there.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
And I honestly think it's gonna it's more demoralizing Brett
to your point, than it is motivating. You know, Yes,
Abs in twenty one, losing four in a row to Vegas,
that's motivating to go back and kick ass the next year, right, yes,
last year, I think that exit versus Dallas is motivating
to come back this year and win. I think it's
demoralizing more than motivating. To go to the Cup final
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twice with what everybody says is the best player on
the planet and lose twice to the same opponent.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
That has to be absolutely sole crushing. Well, you want
to know what that's like, Like, go back to I
think it was two days after that final game when
Edmonton lost and McDavid had that press conference, and remember
he was talking about his future and he's like, yeah,
we got away options, whether that's here or wherever or
he said something like that, and you're like, what did
(43:18):
you Yeah, well that's kind of you know, Moser, you
brought this up and we've talked about this before. You
know what's crazy about this town Denver? All four of
their major sports teams might reside in the best divisions
in their sport, like very well might like when you
(43:39):
talk about I think the Nuggets absolutely are the hardest division,
the Northwest in the NBA, it's the toughest. The Avs
certainly have a an argument that they're on the toughest
division in all of hockey.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
The Atlantic is tough, don't get me wrong. The Atlantic
out east is tough, but not but the Metros.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah, in the Pacific, look Central Atlantic Metro. That's that's
how I got That's how I do it as well.
You don't have to convince me the AFC West is
the toughest division you've got you've got three Super Bowl
winning coaches and another one that went there and then
also won in Natty, and you've got quarterbacks goo.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
I mean, it's the only arcupation.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
And maybe the NFC North at least last year. I
don't know what Minnesota is gonna be this year, but
they had two fourteen Winter fifteen and a fourteen win
team and eleven win team like North was good. But
I think the AFC West this year is probably the toughest.
And then even the Rockies. I mean, I know nobody
cares because they suck, but you're in a division with
the Dodgers that's not fun, and the Giants and the
Padres and.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
The Potterys are playing good ball.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
And the d Backs went to the World Series a
couple of years ago, like this one. That's no cakewalk either.
Like all of them reside in arguably the toughest divisions
in their sports. Sucks.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I just want to move.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
You don't because if you get through it, man again,
but the path is tougher and I don't want to
sit here in lament paths and you, oh god, you
gotta play this team. It's I think the playoff seeding
in the NHL is stupid, but I think it's a factor.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Hey, it's not the Bronx. Would the Broncos be the
sad sack suck team of the last decade if they
played in the AFC South, I bet they wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
The South, right if, right now, if the Broncos were
in the AFC South, I would guarantee at least twelve
wins right this second, in a division win, That's what
I would I would guarantee.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
It right very and I think in the last what
what nine years, they would have had at least three
playoff win.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yeah, they go five and one of that division. This
season they play go five and one and and win
the division.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Well, we got Jeff Leagwall come up, Connor, always going
to talk to you a buddy. Things for stopping mind anytime, boys.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
We as you were saying yesterday, Hey, I don't want
to I don't want to comment on this because it's
not done yet. Well guess what it's done. The Avs
have acquired Victor Olafson one year, one and a half
mill thoughts.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I think it's a good risk. I mean one and
a half mill is for It's not peanuts, you know
what I mean. It's it's pretty good for a guy
who is looking for a job. But I think he's
a guy that if he can recapture his form of
a couple years ago and stay healthy, I think it's
a good bet by the Colorado Avalanche. He certainly helps
(00:58):
fill out what I think is the boss him six
right now. And if he can add that goal scoring
touch back to his to his game effectively enough. I mean,
if he was a half a point game with Vegas
essentially last year is what he was, right.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
If you could be a half a point, half a
point a game guy, yeah, yeah, half a point of
game guy. If you can stay healthy and be a
half a pointed game guy, that's a that's huge for
this Avalanche team.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Huge. I mean it's huge for any team for a
guy to rack up forty points in the season, you know, when.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Playing that on a third, third line, fourth line. Yeah.
Not to mention, he seems to be good enough to
where if in a pinch, if you need to elevate him,
he can probably do that too. He can do a
special stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, he's got skilly and skated. To me, it's just
a matter of staying healthy. The last two seasons for
him have been you know, he's played just over fifty games. Yeah,
and so you're missing a significant amount of time. So
if he can stay healthy, I think that's that's the
whole key here and again in Knock on your Wall
and I say, if he can stay healthy, you hope.
(02:03):
You can't pretend a guy is gonna get injured. But
that history is there, so good people, I have no
problem with it whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
He was the best guy left on the market, right,
or at least one of them, I think.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So, Yeah, it's a it's a good gamble for the
Avalanche to take.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes. That way, It's not like Uh, you mentioned it.
It's not nothing, but it's a relatively low risk, you know.
It's it's still the Aves have been very, very good
at one thing over the last few years. You take
sort of the cheap flyer on somebody and just see
if if you can get something out of him, Like
(02:41):
whatever you thought of Jonathan Drew and he wasn't good
enough to receive a bigger contract from the Avs this year,
especially with how cap strapped they were. Uh, but he was,
for the money, a really good investment over the last
two years for the Avs. Vala Chushkin obviously one of
those guys where you you take a flyer on him
and then you're like, oh, no, he can he can
(03:03):
play play Okay, got it?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah? And with Kivvy back in the mix as well,
and Parker Kelly under contract now with his new deal.
When you look now bred at the Avs, when Logan
O'Connor comes back, I keep talking about, gosh, you really
would like one of those kids from the Eagles to
be able to solidify a spot, right, that would be great.
I mean, if one of these guys can actually become
(03:26):
a National Hockey League player anytime soon, you know, consistently.
Then that's a I think you need that right for
the future, you need that. That being said, when Loc
comes back, you won't need that because when you look
at the presumptive lines, you've got Lekkingen with McKinnon in
the middle and Natus on the right hand side. Second line,
(03:49):
you have brought Nelson in the middle, on his left
his game and on his right his val That's a
that's a pretty heavy duty line. It's a big line. Yeah,
pretty heavy duty. They look at that third line, you
got Jack Drury in the middle, you got Ross Cole
on one side, You've got all of Sudden on the
other side. And then if you go down to the
fourth line, Parker Kelly Tivvy is gonna is gonna anchor
that that the middle and you've got Kivvy and you've
(04:09):
got Loc. Theoretically that's you know, I mean, and and
again as you're hoping for.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You're hoping for like maybe an Ivan Ivan can prove
he can play at that level or somebody else, right, Yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Know, Steinbergy really kind of anybody to be honest with you, so.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Moj I know that you had this is personal time.
It wasn't professional time, or you were out with EJ
the other day, But uh, EJ say anything to you
about what plans are conversations anything like that, anything that
really rivied information. I guess no, not really. I think.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Look, he's in great shape, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Working out with the guys over family.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I think I think he can still play the game.
I'm sure he thinks he can still play the game.
But uh, I don't know that it's going to be
with the Colorado Aval. But you know, I think that
he can help somebody. Put it that way. Yeah, I
think he could definitely help somebody. Is all of sen
a second power play unit?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Guy? Is he on that second team?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
He's got that ability. Yeah, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't
mind seeing him there.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Because your first one, he's your first one's pretty sad.
We know what the first one is gonna look like.
But that second one, I mean, I feel like he
can be a fit on that thing, right and those guys,
let's I mean, let's be honest about it. The first
power play unit takes about a minute and forty seconds
and then second power play comes in, Like if they
can get one rush down the ice, then that's it.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Kinda kind of that's kind of the way it is.
I believe I'm guessing that coach Bednar is going to
have a highly experimental second unit at camp. Yeah, because
what you're what I mean, you know who's got skill
and obviously this kid's got a great shot. You know
who's got skill. You know who's got size to bang
(05:58):
in front of them that you know all these things.
M h. But how do guys work together? And do
you want to you know, do you want to keep
two D on that second power play or do you
want to do like you do with the top unit
and just have one D? You know, is it just tasers?
It it's you know, he and Sammy.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
G do a pretty good job.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I don't know. I mean, we'll find out in a
month here when we get to camp, and we'll find
out when we get the preseason, you know, exactly what
he wants. When did we start talking to the coach again?
By the way.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Tv P, Well, it always feels like it's right around
camp or the season, right around that season charity tournament, right,
that's kind of the first time we get to talk
to Bedsy and then it's like a couple of weeks
after that season starts, So I would assume then you
want me to uh but to have his his weekly start.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Now I text him and go, hey, what are you
gonna do with the second power play? Yes? Hey, man,
he'll probably say, shut up. Uh, I don't even know.
Let's find we'll find out in a month. That kind
of thing. Hey, although you know you know that he
you know that he right now he takes some time off.
He likes to mow his lawn. You know, he gets
(07:12):
on his tractor and he mows his lawn, and he
probably takes his boat out a little bit, you know
that kind of thing. The mountains gets way, the mountains
chop some wood, and you know, do.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
You think he chops his own? Do you think he
chops his own? Like he goes out and he starts,
he starts hacking away with an axe on top of
a tree stump.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's sort of therapeutic, man, maybe maybe.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Before I want to do it. Well, you've never chopped wood,
never chopped wood? Have you ever? Have you ever?
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You haven't ever.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I've done a slap chop. Okay, you want me to
chop up some onions for like vegetables and crap, I'll
chop up some onions for you.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
No, but but it can be therapeutic, man, it can
be uh, you know, just you chopping wood, you and
your axe, just doing your thing.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You can up a nice mirror plaw.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
But does anybody really have a fireplace anymore? Like a
fireplace fireplace or is it just you flip the switch
in the gas cot.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
My old house had one. I never used it because
it looked really dirty and I had to get it cleaned.
And it was in a room that I was never in.
Like if it was in my living room, different thing,
I might have used it a lot more. But it
was like it was in this off room to the side,
and I'm like, I'm never sitting there, like.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
A basement bathroom. You got a you got like a.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, it's okay, your living room in our house.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Fireplace is in the garage. You didn't really make much sense.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
No, no, no, it's so in our house. You walk
through our old house, our front door, there was a
living room and there was the kitchen, and it was
one of those it was like you had like three
steps to get down to where the patio area was
in the backyard to the sliding door, and it was
a room that was like that, and I was like,
I've never used that room. It was just there. It
was a waste of space. Anyway, Hey, I was just
(08:59):
reading this article on ESPN and I actually think this
is this is kind of like a fun exercise. So
it's an article by Ben Solac. He ranks all thirty
two teams in the league by a very subjective metric,
but that metric is watchability. For years, the Broncos have
(09:24):
been not just bad, but boring and like unwatchable. Right
if you go back to that Hacket year, it was
like it was death on your eyeballs. It was so
bad that people would leave a game as the game
is heading into overtime saying I've had enough of this.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
There was zero excitement, man, there was I recall us
more of myself, even lamenting. Man was the last time
I jumped off my couch? Remember that?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
When was the last time I had a off the
couch moment? I mean that had and that went on
for years around this, around this place.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So forget where Ben sol has them ranked for a second.
I'll tell you and in a moment, as far as
watchability for the Broncos, how excited are you going to
be to just watch every game of them this year,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, Harry, Yeah, I mean, first of all, I think
the defense is going to be bludgeoning. I'm really I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Excited about that side of the ball.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I can't wait to watch them go to work against
some very good teams and see how they stacked up,
because I think they're gonna be very good. But I
look at the offensive weapons. You know, we were talking
about R. J. Harvey and him darting through between the
tackles right and getting skinny, and again Throckmorton made a
terrific block. Yeah, I mean out in front of the play,
(10:43):
make a terrific block on the dB. But watching him
get skinny, it's these kind of things. Now, Brett, plus
the Poppy's got you know, and and so these kind
of things. Yeah, it's really it's wetting my whistle that
I think there's gonna be big, you know, some big plays.
But I think they're gonna be a one team because
they've got skill. They're not I'm not talking about high
end craziness, but they've got skill, and I think they've
(11:06):
got the ability to spread it around. They're gonna find guys.
I just think it's gonna it's gonna look the part,
it's gonna move, the part.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Watchability is almost exclusively about offense. Right, You're very rarely
tuning into.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Me you got unless you got Nick Benito just and
Zach Allen's just blowing guys up.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
But I'm just saying the the casual fan I don't
think would tune into a game to be like, I
have to see this team play defense, right, it's about right,
who's gonna throw the eighty yard bomb? Which running back
is gonna break the sixty yard run? Whatever? I think
the Broncos are going to be as watchable as they've
(11:46):
been god man prop Yes, since like Manning, since that,
like this is going to be the best version, the
most exciting version, at least it should be in a
law long time.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I don't want to say that there that there haven't
been exciting moments, because there have been, and even last year,
I mean last year was more exciting than because and
by the way, you know what helps that bread winning
winning helps that winning winning winning is very watcha Yeah,
winning is fun. Winning Winning makes everything more watchable and
more exciting. And there have been big plays. I mean
(12:22):
even you know, watching Teddy with his with his business decision,
I guess that was that was watchable, right, likes he doing.
But I think that that the winning adds to all
of that. The winning adds to to you look at
it through a better and more pleasing lens, And so
(12:44):
even plays that you might find mundane in the past,
you might go, hey, man, that I really like that
because you're winning.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Right by the way, so like has them as fifteenth
in the league for watchability reasons.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Who do you think is he seems go ahead, That
seems that seems entirely reasonable to me.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Me too, Yeah, I think so Who's what are you
saying who's most watchable? Well, here's here's how he did
his metric. Again, this is all subjective, but I kind
of like this. He said, what am I grading watchability on?
Big plays, close games, star players? And then he has
one that says cool stuff?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
All right, let me let me take Let me take
a guess. It's got to be the Lions. The Lions
are third third, Okay, it's gotta be Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Buffalo is oh, Buffalo's down the list.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
They're eleventh to n Well, because Josh Allen running the
football is exciting, and he's you know.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
He's Josh Allen Colleen, who do I well?
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Washington's fun. Jaydon Daniels is fun to watch, that's Jackson's
fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Washington. Number one is Washington, Number two is Baltimore, three
is Detroit, four is Cincion, five is Philly. I think
that's that's all of those teams are. Like if they
are playing, how about this, here's how you'd measure watchability.
Your team is not involved in the game. It's Thursday
night football, right, Washington's on, I'm gonna watch, Baltimore's on,
(14:22):
watch Detroit's on. You'd watch like I think all of
that would apply. Now if that game is if it's
if it's Tennessee versus Carolinrolina, I might have it on
the background, not not.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Fully focused Tennessee versus Carolina. That's socked drawer time, right,
that's say, man, I got to clear a little bit
of this out here. Yeah, that's funny. What do you
think is last Well, it's it's one of those teams.
It's it's Carolina, it's Tennessee, it's no is it the Browns.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
It's the Cleveland Browns' he has he has like they've
got they've got players there.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
He has two paragraphs on basically every team going down
this list, except here's what he said to Cleveland at
number thirty two. No thank you well, and then he goes, well, actually,
I'll watch the first Shodor Sanders start in week twelve
just to enjoy the pasgeantry of it all. But other
than that, no thanks.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
They've got some players there, man, I that's well.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Kill Flacco's a drip. I get that.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
But I don't know, man, what he'd rather watch the
Carolina Panthers play football? Really? Yes, okay, answer you mention.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I was gonna see you're gonna say the Saints.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
The Saints don I have a quarterback, so that's gonna
make it abysmal to watch.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Dude, this is so okay. There's there's one more detail
in this list that I totally agree with that I
think is gonna blow people's minds.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
We'll get to next, the millionaire and his wife right back.
Then you'll hear you.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
They're delay. You're delayed first of all, because you're on delayed,
not even on the beat. And that is not Gilligan.
This is a big timers still.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Sounds it sounds like the theme song the Gilligan's New
Least stopped for one second?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Can we just please?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
No, just could just would you humor me for two seconds?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Please?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Because I can't be alone in this and Vic's not here.
One to eat his crow and two to back me
up on this. Find the theme song to Gilligan's Island
and just tell me that they didn't rip him off.
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
That's all I'm That's all I'm saying. Call it a
rip off. They would call it sampling.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
No, they call it flattering. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
That's what it's called. It's using a sample. Okay, so
it's it's not very much like that's that's not that part.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Hut no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
You gotta get to the point with your lickin the
skip BIRDO.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Okay this God.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Fast forward, Nelly, fast forward.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Here you go, thank you.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah. Yeah, it sounds just like it mosh ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
The whole thing was ruined because Nelly went to the end.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
That's okay. It's called by the way, it's called sampling.
It's like when Chris Stapleton made the song Tennessee Whiskey.
That song is originally Atta James, I'd rather be blind
that he made into Tennessee whiskey, both phenomenal songs.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Sounds like a rip off to me, But what do
I know?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It's called sampling all right.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
By the way, Connor's here, No.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Enough but enough now, No doesn't work, I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's the same damn song. It's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Uh So anyway, anyway, we'll talk to Jeff Lagweald at
nine o'clock.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I got ailed in.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I think this is a healthy exercise for human being. Okay,
I think you should all do this, no matter what
we're talking about, whether it's your job or your personal
life or whatever. You have an opinion on something, it
is healthy to be. Like, if I had to argue
the opposite side, what would I say? And I think
that helps you get perspective and moser. I've done this
(18:27):
sometimes where I've actually changed my mind. I'm like, I
made such a good argument against myself. I changed my
own mind.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
So you convinced yourself that you were wrong, and now
you convince yourself that you're now right. Yes, that sounds
like a psychological issue, but go ahead, I.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Would call it somebody. I would call that being a
healthy human being who is a malleable person that's able
to have their mind changed.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, well that's yeah by another person making a good argument. Okay,
go ahead, here's what.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm getting at. The Broncs have done a lot of
right things, a lot of things. I've been like, you
know what, I agree with this move. I agree with this.
I agree with this when it comes to the Vley trade.
If I had to argue the opposite side, what would
be the argument, what would be the reason why they
shouldn't have done this?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
You can never have too much depthed wide receiver, right,
I mean, all it takes. And again they've been remarkably healthy.
All you've got to do is look at the San
Francisco forty nine ers. And by the way, one of
their whiteouts is now getting suspended for three games.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Do you see that? Yes? Four games or three games?
You're right, DeMarcus Robinson.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
DeMarcus Robinson's out for three games for his dui thing,
and then everybody else has hurt except for Ricky Pearsall
that would be a case for a good lord. We
need devond Veiley like yesterday on this roster, would it
not that that would be the only thing, or maybe
he develops into some sort of you know, pro Bowl star.
(19:51):
I don't think that's gonna happen. I think his ceiling
is what it is, and he's a good player, not
a great player, but a good player. You know, you
trade them away for a fourth and the seventh and
he becomes a pro bowler. That that's kind of what
happened with Jerry Judy. But that experiment had already run
its course here. So here's Yes, that's a part of it.
(20:12):
But the well, either of those arguments, and they make sense,
would either one preclude you from making this deal? Now?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I am? I am. I'm telling you right now, I
am not able to convince myself of the opposite side.
But if I had to argue, what it's this if
you are in a Super Bowl window, Sean Payton said it. Okay,
I am not saying this. This is Sean Payton. He said,
And I think the quote was I have coached seven teams.
(20:39):
Was it seven teams that I think were capable of
winning a championship? And he said, this is my eighth.
Wasn't it something along those lines. That's what he said. Yes,
that's basically what he said. Yeah, if you feel like
you're in that window and you have a player that
is talented enough to be flipped for a fourth round pick,
should you be in the business of trading good players?
(21:01):
That's the question. Should you be in the business of
letting a good player go for a future's asset when
you're focused on the now? That would be the argument
now here.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, no, because because that because that roster spot right
is for the now, That roster that that's that roster
spot is not for down the road in two years.
That roster spot is for right now. We're gonna we're
gonna keep a guy that we feel can help us
better win a Super Bowl championship.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Here's my argument against my argument, which is against my argument.
Thank you for the guy that laugh the the that's me.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I'm just sitting here listening.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, during the next commercial break, we're going to move
our location across the patio so that we can turn
the cameras so he can jump on and hang out.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Cool. No, I'm just enjoying listening.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Connor. Listen to my argument against my argument, which is
against my argument. Here's what it is. Yes, take notes
here roadmap.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Uh uh I.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
The reason I don't buy the you don't. You aren't
in the business of trading away good players when you're
in the championship window. Is the good player has to
be a guy that's gonna play. And I understand the
point to depth. Here's what I feel like they think
Devon Vley is. Here's what I think he is. He's
a good player who's replaceable. Like I think that you
can take somebody like a Joaquin Davis and make him
(22:25):
who Veley was. Bailey's not ultra fast. He did a
good job of getting open. The one thing he did
really well, which nets teams. He's ultra tall. I mean no,
he's tall. In reliship, he's a yes, you put it
within the catch radius. He grabs the football. That's what
a good wide receiver does. It's because when you've got value.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
When you look at Trent Sherfield, Uh, he's not tall. No,
you see what I'm getting out of me? Like you
you don't just say, Okay, we've got Trent Sherfield and
you know, well, she's not He's not.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
A little guy.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I'm going more like to the Courtney Jackson who's under
six feet Okay, Man Mims right, Okay, Okay, let me
go to Corny Jackson. He's a little pass catcher. Bailey
was a big pass catcher. You're not gonna turn that
guy into what Bailey was in terms of jump balls
and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I keep bringing this up, though, there's I think there
is a firm ceiling above the head of Devon Valley
of who he is. Like he feels like one of
the guys that are like this motion. I'm sure you've
seen this a million times in the NHL. The guy
gets into the league and you're like, pretty good player,
and you know, within like six or seven months, you're like, oh,
that's all he is. Though, Yeah, he's just that there's
(23:37):
no room for this guy to get better and better
and better, you know what I mean. Like, there's guys
threads that feel that way.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Well, but there are guys that all they need to
see him is for three games and I'm like, yeah, this.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yes, yes, you're like this is all that guy's gonna be,
which is fine, which is a fine player, but if
you want something more, you weren't getting that out of him.
And I think that's who.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Vele is and Connor. Would you would you agree with
that statement? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Would, Yes, I would, thanks for speaking from you today.
The part of Connor mcgehe will be played by Mark
mos Yes, but but no, honestly right on the money,
because there's some guy and it doesn't pick a sport,
it doesn't matter. The eye test never fails. I feel
like you and you don't have to be a scout.
You don't have to be you know, a Mike Sandford
(24:27):
level genius of knowing ball to figure that out. Yes, right,
I think you know right away more often than.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
That, yep.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And I just I think that's what the Vley story was.
He's a good player that they thought they had better of,
and they he had a firm ceiling. Now but but
you know, Brett, and we go back to this, to
this deal.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
And listen to that. Though that sounds weird now, kind
of yeah, you want me to go out here, You're fine.
We go back to this. It's just the echo goup
for one, I'm facing this location lack of my face. No,
we go back to this deal, though, Brett, and the
idea is that there's nobody against this. Nobody's looking at
it and saying, oh man, this is a bad trade,
or this is you know, this is Yeah, this shouldn't
(25:07):
have gone down the way it's gone down. I can't.
I can't think of a reason unless you're a member
of Veley's family and you think he's gonna be a
future Hall of Famer somehow at the age of twenty seven.
Other than that, how could you not like this deal?
I haven't heard me, and you won't hear one curse
word about it at all.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well, I got one text writes this, Okay, I like
this because it's been It's been very lovey dovey with
the Broncos. Now I want to see, like, if is
there something else here? Well?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I think I think it should be.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Here's what a Texas says. Broncos wide receivers are mid.
Their wide receiver depth is trash. The hype for this
team is completely insane. Unproven rookie in mid vet running
backs and a twenty six year old mid quarterback in
his sophomore season. Defense is awesome if healthy. I that that?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Okay, Hello, Kansas City fan, I mean what you would
have been saying, Pillow Raiders fan. What do you want
me to say to that person? Here's the thing that
sounds like it.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Well, look, I think it's it's fine to have a
level of skepticism without without actually saying it. Like, I
think there's things that are over the top. I just
saw cow Herd the other day. He was doing his
uh what is it, that stupid thing called the Herd hierarchy.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, but he's he's a little he's a little over
the top with it because he and Sean are are
are buddies.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Well, I've always said that if you hear Colin Cowherd
saying something about the Broncos or Sean Payton, that's positive.
Take it with a healthy grain of salt, because I'm
pretty sure those guys FaceTime each other every night or
something like that. You know, it's uh, they're very good friends,
I guess after their Fox stuff. But the deal is,
(26:45):
he has his top ten teams, he calls it the
Herd hierarchy, and he has the Bronco's at fourth. And
I'm like, all right, dude, let's let's calm him down
a little bit on the fourth best team in the league.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
That it's a little that's a little crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
But I think having skepticism emotion is fine. I think
if you weren't to acknowledge, they are much better offensively
than they were last year. I think that's not being
fair either.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Is it fair to see that they're also better now defensively?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
If they're healthy? Y, yes, had you had.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
A top five defense last year and I think you
only got better with the addition of green Law and Ufonga. Okay,
So that being said, dude, what is there not to
like about what this team is doing? Like from the
five to one to four at hahap or lol Champagne
is joke. Broncos have no shot at winning a Super Bowl.
Me maybe it's a long shot, but they got a shot.
(27:37):
I mean they do. And people are thinking that the
you know, this guy's mid, this guy's mid, this guy's mid.
They got better offensively. You added a great weapon in Ingram.
Now health is gonna be a big factor. You upgraded
the running back spot. Your quarterback's going into year two,
so he's not learning the playbook. He's gonna play and
just be a free quarterback. Why are people all against this?
(27:59):
Why are pep so bitter about it? Right now?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Mcgaheere, you are the voice of Mile High Stadium. We
hear your your voice thundering and echoing that throughout that thing.
What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Well, I just.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Where does Veley fit on your list of wide receivers
on this team right now? What number number five?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It would have been fifth?
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Okay, if you have a chance to get not one,
but two draft picks for your fifth, fifth wide receiver,
I say you do that every single day of the week. Yeah,
we motion and I were playing here yesterday and that's
when the press release came out and we both had
the same reaction.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
That makes a lot of sense to.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Me because you can achieve both goals at once. You
can have your big guns play one through four wide receivers,
and you're requiring capital to keep this window that you're
now in open longer. I think that's that's great management,
uh from the Denver Broncos. And what again, Like we
(29:04):
were saying earlier, Vele I think is Devon Vley Like
that's where he's going to be. He's not going to
be anything higher than a fifth, you know, a number
five receiver on this team. If you can get that deal,
I think it pick a sport. You do that anytime anywhere.
I really do.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Plus it's that roster spot too, but that we've been
talking about. Yeah, you get that roster spot and those
are just in case. Yeah, they're very, very valuable. I
don't I don't see. I don't see how anybody could
be against this deal, how anybody could view it as
anything other than an absolute win for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
So again, we'll we'll talk more with Connor mcgahe about
the Lofson deal, because I really you know what's funny
to me is that all these names, whether it's a Lausen, Olisen, Olifsen,
I don't know why I.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Get so hot on this for you.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Olafson a good good job. Yes, I'm having a lot
of trouble saying that one.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Oh Newie, thanks for keeping that, Nelly, I appreciate that one.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Were you trying to say Newfoundland to him, I couldn't.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
For the life of me, I couldn't say Newfoundland. I
struggled for three times.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Burton only can't say Scotia like Scotia Banks saddled home.
He can't say Scotia, Scotia, Brett Scotia. Yeah, Bert can't
say that word.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Can't do it.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Say it like Burt would say it, man, And come on,
give me a little.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Please tonight at night? What is it what is it called?
What the the arena call? He'll say, Okay, he'll say
squ He'll say squig. He'll see at Scotia Bank Arena,
something like that. Pretty good, pretty good. I'm losing my
burdo now. I think I've done so many shows with
Berto when you guys were out in Italy that I
(30:55):
it's like I've lost my touch. Feels that way.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Wouldn't it be the opposite. You would be all fine
because you're right. You're just It's like if if you
live in Spain for a year, all of a sudden
you speak Spanish.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
No, I feel like I don't around.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
So now you speak Berto.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
No, It's it didn't translate that way.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Interesting. It's it's almost like when I did a Todd
Bowles yesterday after Nelly did it. When I did it
before Nelly did it, I felt like it was better
than after when Nelly did it because Nelly's.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Because Nelly's is so good. Yes, Nelly, one more time?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
They playing noise? You know they got a dome right?
So good? How did I miss that?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
So you want to get the conn Airs thought on
on ol of sin.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, yeah, you want to do that. When we come back.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Sure, Yeah, why don't we do that? If we're gonna
tell you what we'll do, we're gonna move to a
better location because obviously I got the tape. Yeah, this
one's gotten a little bit, a little bit closed in here,
and the sun's moved on, and so on and so forth.
I'm trying to look good for you.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
It's not gonna work.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Whatever. Whatever you feel more most comfortable doing most So
you go ahead and you shuffle around during the break.
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when we return McGahee Moser the hockey Man, we'll talk
about the trade that it was made or I'm sorry,
the acquisition of Victor Olafson and what he can bring
to the Avs this upcoming season, where he fits, could
he be a power play guy. I will get to
(33:00):
all of that next all right, Jeff like, well, it's
gonna join us in about fifteen minutes. Stay tuned for that,
as he will will get his reaction to the Devon
Vley trade and where that leaves the Broncos as far
as the fifty three man roster heading it into the
final week of the preseason. You like this better? Is
that a little good for you? It looks fine. Motion
didn't complain about it before, but whatever again, whatever your
(33:21):
heart desires you it. Yes, So the Victor Olofsen acquisition
yesterday a one year, one and a half million dollar deal.
He looks to be a third line guy for the
Avs and potentially maybe second power play dude. But overall, Connor,
you like Moje. You've watched a whole bunch of hockey.
You've watched a whole bunch of Victor Olifson.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
What's your thoughts, well, I mean, like anybody, he struggles
in Buffalo. That's just a that's a hard and fast
rule of sports is that you struggle. If it's not
nineteen ninety nine and Dominic Hashik is your goaltender, you
struggle with the Buffalo Savers. So he comes to Vegas
last year and it's a left handed shot. You know what,
I'll tell you what. We're missing. That left handed shot
(34:04):
one timer right now a big time. I would not
be shocked if Olison ends up on a power play unit,
if maybe not the top power play unit you had
Drew n out right, and the way that Olison can
shoot the pucket, it's actually perfect, I think for the
ads and how it sets up thirty goals. You're talking
(34:25):
like half a point per game guy, Like you guys
said yesterday, that's exactly what you want for your bottom six.
The top six, I would make the argument, is the
best top six in the National Hockey League. Again, went healthy, but.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Bottom six needs a little bit of help.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
You need NHL guys, And he was I think he
was the top sort of free agent left for me.
I think as far as forward.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, we were talking, Yeah, we were talking about it. Too,
a little surprised he was still out there.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Again, I think maybe he was shopping around a little bit.
What can I get? You know, there's no I guess
hurry unless you know somebody's gonna throw a five million
year at him. That was not gonna happen. But we
were talking about it earlier, Connor. I don't know what
Coach is gonna do in terms of his power play
units this year, Brett, because now you've got you've got
a guy who will go hard to the front of
the net and Valenciers gonna we know that, and you
(35:11):
got the captain back and that's his role. He's gonna
be at the front of the net. He's gonna be
retrieving poks, he's gonna get second opportunities. That's gonna be
what he.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Does as well.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
So those but both those guys sort of fill that
same role. Although they can play on the half wall
and don't don't get me wrong, but they sort of
fill that same role. So will you split them up?
And you're talking about the top unit being out there
for a minute forty five and then this second unit
gets fifteen seconds of time, and uh, maybe that'll change
a little bit maybe it'll be you know, it'll hey,
both units can roll, right, So we'll see, we'll see
(35:43):
how it works out. Because I'm sure he's going through
that right now in his own head.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Because he's a twenty goal guy and he's been multiple
times in the NHL. You know who he kind of
gives me vibes of is Andre Berokowski for whatever reason.
I mean, talk about a pure sniper in the league.
I mean that twenty two Cup run, Rokowski had some
big goals. I honestly think that Olison can be that
type of guy, especially in your bottom six. So I
(36:07):
actually really like this a lot. The money works out again,
kind of like Drew in two years ago, one year
to DLC if it fits, and again the cap is
going up and that helps nobody more than the Colorado Avalanche.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
From this year to next.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
So this this is good all around for the as.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
By the way, moj I don't buy this for a second,
not a single second, that they are going to split
the time evenly between the first and second time. If
you think that Nate McKinnon is coming off the ice
before a minute off on that power play.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Fine, maybe it'll be. Maybe it'll be a hybrid. But
are you gonna put ninety two? You gonna put Landeskaga
and that you was going to the same unit.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Sure, yeah, sure, let's go ahead. What do you know,
prober Sure, I like you will do it, and like
you will do it too.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Obviously you know what I mean. But more five on five.
But you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I mean you have Lecky Val and Gabe. You got
net front guys. Now, yeah, you need that circle open
and all often is I mean the left handed one
timer that you had with Miko Ranton and I do
honestly think is back now with Victor Oi.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
And if if McKinnon is dishing across man finding that
scene for the one timer, yep, this guy's just gonna
be able to bomb at the front of the net bomb.
So I guess we'll see. I can't wait to get
the camp. We got about a month here, a little
less than a month before training camp starts for about
a month September eighteenth. There you go a little less
than a month now, So we'll find out. I mean,
(37:31):
we'll we'll see what what jar Bendar wants to do.
In fact, talk amongst yourself for a second'll text talk
amongst yourselves.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I'll give you a topic.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Why do we talk on driveway from drive on parkways discuss.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
So you know what's funny, uh, Connor, is that I've
said that the Avs this offseason have been basically the
Pablo Escobar meme of just silently looking out the window
at everybody else doing things. But I don't think it's unexpected,
right what this offseason has been considering. I mean, you
have a team that you feel like is really good
and you didn't. You don't feel like you have to
change too much. I keep going back to this, and
(38:05):
sorry Avs fans to bring up bad memories, but it's
like during the Dallas series, you were better than what
Dallas was five on five, but the second it got
the special teams, they capitalized on what felt like every
opportunity they got, and you just didn't. And maybe it's
over simplifying this, but I feel like sometimes it is
just kind of as simple as you score a few
more times on the power play and that series is
(38:27):
over in like five or six games.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I make the argument Brett that it was you were
two power play goals away. Yeah, maybe from just winning
that series and the margins are so much thinner in
the playoffs. We talk about that cliche all the time,
but it was so evident in that series last year.
It really was that it just it boiled to the surface.
You had the power play struggles, you had Kill mccarr's struggles.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Just unlucky.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I mean, all the luck that the Abs had in
twenty two, they had absolutely none of it in that
series last year.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Hey, I know that Edmonton got to the Cup Final.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
What did you do? By the way, where did you go? Oh?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
I texted Jared to see his head swimming or if
he's totally cool with his units? All right?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Copy that.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I know Edmonton went to the final and it's a
damn fine team. I just I don't believe in the
Edmonton I just don't believe that they're a Cup winning team.
And I know that they I know they they keep
getting there and they keep doing this and they keep
doing that. But I just I think when when I
look when I look at the Central and I look
at the Avs in Dallas and Winnipeg, and Winnipeg obviously
the regular season they're fine. Postseason, they're they're goalie falls apart,
(39:35):
and he's a super vegientis stud the margin of error
between even for Dallas too, the margin of error against
the Avalanches razor thin. And if you know, if the
Avs win, there's no doubt in my mind, they're certainly
in the West Final. If not the Stanley Cup Final.
I'm not saying they'd win, but I'm saying they'd be there. Well,
no doubt, my.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Mush, I would look. I used to be a betting man.
I am not any more. I was told by people
within this company that you shouldn't be doing that. So
I'm like, okay, fine, all stop. But if I were
still your wife worked for this company, Brat, if I
(40:17):
were still a betting man, I would put a sizable
amount on Edmonton not making the finals again, because we
know how hard it is to make a finals trip
back to back. Now, teams ironically have done that three
different three different teams have done that repeatedly over the
last few years. But it's one thing to do that
when you win, to go back to back like Florida did.
(40:40):
It's another thing to get there and lose twice in
a row and to keep that same sort of a
luck because you do need some luck when you make
runs like that. Health all the different things it takes
to make it. I heard Draymond Green say this, and
it's easy for him to say it because he has
multiple rings to his hand. But Raymond Green said, if
you don't in the title, you almost want to lose
(41:01):
in the first round, to not be worn out the
following year, to not have the grind of that playoff run,
to come up shortses and come away with nothing.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
The late great Peter McNabb and I talked about this
so much, man, even for Florida, I wouldn't bet, even
though those guys took a discount to go back and
try for a three peat. I dig, you know, and
they're a great, great team, incredibly well coached by Maurice,
but they've played so much important hockey the Cup final
the year before they won. Now they've won two in
(41:30):
a row. Dude, that's you're talking about multiple years in
a row of going deep, deep deep, and it's really
it's it's really hard. I mean, it really is. It's
it takes a toll on bodies, and you know, if
you're not a spring chicken anymore, then it adds up
over time. And I agree with with your assessment of
(41:51):
Edmonton as well. Look, Vegas is a good club. The
La Kings are a good club, maybe even great club.
Great stuff. Oh gosh, okay, what don't read that, Vic,
Stay off of there. He's just gonna make yourself bad.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I was going for the Corey Perry tech is true,
and they're terrific clubs. But the path to get there
is easier in that division than it is in the
central period and the story and so you know it.
Playoff hockey's hard, no matter what division you're in, no
matter how it stacks up, But the path to get there,
in my opinion, is easier out there.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
And I honestly think it's gonna it's more demoralizing Brett
to your point, than it is motivating. You know, Yes,
Abs in twenty one, losing four in a row to Vegas,
that's motivating to go back and kick ass the next year, right, yes,
last year, I think that exit versus Dallas is motivating
to come back this year and win. I think it's
demoralizing more than motivating. To go to the Cup final
(42:50):
twice with what everybody says is the best player on
the planet and lose twice to the same opponent.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
That has to be absolutely sole crushing. Well, you want
to know what that's like, Like, go back to I
think it was two days after that final game when
Edmonton lost and McDavid had that press conference, and remember
he was talking about his future and he's like, yeah,
we got away options, whether that's here or wherever or
he said something like that, and you're like, what did
(43:18):
you Yeah, well that's kind of you know, Moser, you
brought this up and we've talked about this before. You
know what's crazy about this town Denver? All four of
their major sports teams might reside in the best divisions
in their sport, like very well might like when you
(43:39):
talk about I think the Nuggets absolutely are the hardest division,
the Northwest in the NBA, it's the toughest. The Avs
certainly have a an argument that they're on the toughest
division in all of hockey.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
The Atlantic is tough, don't get me wrong. The Atlantic
out east is tough, but not but the Metros.
Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah, in the Pacific, look Central Atlantic Metro. That's that's
how I got That's how I do it as well.
You don't have to convince me the AFC West is
the toughest division you've got you've got three Super Bowl
winning coaches and another one that went there and then
also won in Natty, and you've got quarterbacks goo.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
I mean, it's the only arcupation.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
And maybe the NFC North at least last year. I
don't know what Minnesota is gonna be this year, but
they had two fourteen Winter fifteen and a fourteen win
team and eleven win team like North was good. But
I think the AFC West this year is probably the toughest.
And then even the Rockies. I mean, I know nobody
cares because they suck, but you're in a division with
the Dodgers that's not fun, and the Giants and the
Padres and.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
The Potterys are playing good ball.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
And the d Backs went to the World Series a
couple of years ago, like this one. That's no cakewalk either.
Like all of them reside in arguably the toughest divisions
in their sports. Sucks.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
I just want to move.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
You don't because if you get through it, man again,
but the path is tougher and I don't want to
sit here in lament paths and you, oh god, you
gotta play this team. It's I think the playoff seeding
in the NHL is stupid, but I think it's a factor.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Hey, it's not the Bronx. Would the Broncos be the
sad sack suck team of the last decade if they
played in the AFC South, I bet they wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
The South, right if, right now, if the Broncos were
in the AFC South, I would guarantee at least twelve
wins right this second, in a division win, That's what
I would I would guarantee.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
It right very and I think in the last what
what nine years, they would have had at least three
playoff win.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Yeah, they go five and one of that division. This
season they play go five and one and and win
the division.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Well, we got Jeff Leagwall come up, Connor, always going
to talk to you a buddy. Things for stopping mind anytime, boys.
Thank you, Jeff Lagwall DESPN dot com.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Do you love watching a humming bird fly around? It's
kind of cool?
Speaker 2 (45:45):
All right? You can turn them off, Nelly, as I
go to break, I don't want the stream of consciousness
from Moser to distract me anymore. Yeah, there's a bird
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