August 25, 2025 • 44 mins
0:00 - The Broncos wrapped up the preseason with a 3rd dub! What are our takeaways now that the preseason is in the books?
15:24 - Even though the Broncos went undefeated in preseason, do we still have any concerns about this team? Also, Shedeur Sanders had a rough outing in Cleveland on Saturday. The dialogue surrounding Shedeur is beyond toxic. It's polarizing to the max. It's unhinged. It's confirmation bias at its worst...or best, I suppose.
33:59 - College football is BACK, baby! What a nasty, sloppy, rainy, gross game of pigskin played across the pond in Ireland. Ultimately, the game was just one big ad campaign for an airline with a...questionable name.
15:24 - Even though the Broncos went undefeated in preseason, do we still have any concerns about this team? Also, Shedeur Sanders had a rough outing in Cleveland on Saturday. The dialogue surrounding Shedeur is beyond toxic. It's polarizing to the max. It's unhinged. It's confirmation bias at its worst...or best, I suppose.
33:59 - College football is BACK, baby! What a nasty, sloppy, rainy, gross game of pigskin played across the pond in Ireland. Ultimately, the game was just one big ad campaign for an airline with a...questionable name.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
The play pattern d Action, next Sat Open and to
Bill where yet it's it's a big play inside the
thirty so good some of the battlefield by.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Poe Knicks for a gain of forty three yards.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I'm playing for it the field. It's good play.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Touchdown.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Yes it is Cortland Sutton, no recognition at all from
any of the officials, but it is a score.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I know it's a Preseasar guys.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
You know, he's a really great veteran on a team
like this to have and you know, just to see
him go out there and play that hard for a
preseason three games just really unique.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Happy for him.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
No, he's gonna have a really strong start of the
year and along with a lot of other guys, but
it's good to have that back and forth, just kind
of see the field in his eyes and then you know,
make some adjustments.
Speaker 7 (01:20):
I have a feeling the Broncos first team offense would
still be playing football right now if they haven't had
a touchdown yet. Sean Payton was going to leave them
in for an entire preseason game if it meant that
they needed to get a touchdown before he took him
off the field.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
All I kept hearing after every series is no, no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (01:38):
Yeah, you get your ass back out there and finally end.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
No no no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Dude.
Speaker 8 (01:45):
Thought I thought it went pretty well because they finished
up with a touch and then they could sit and
feel good about themselves. But they also and I tweeted
that out then I said, you know what, that's not
exactly accurate.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Let me let me get rid of that.
Speaker 8 (01:59):
It was the roughing penalty, the unnecessary roughness penalty that
sort of just kept them going.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Otherwise they're probably dead in the water then.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
And that was on Harvey, right.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
No, the road is penalty on the New Orleans defense.
Speaker 7 (02:13):
No, no, no, I'm saying, but it wasn't that because they
blew up Harven in the middle of the play when yeah,
something something, I don't know. I didn't see a replay
of it, but yeah, that extended the drive allot them
getting the endze who cares like they just get a
touchdown and leaves yo gone. The most important details what
Vick always talks about. For the most part, they were unscathed.
(02:33):
Like Watson left a little bit late in that game,
but as far as first team offense, first team defense,
nobody left with an injury, which that's the entire goal.
If you're gonna play your guys during the preseason, have
them all leave walking under their own power.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
That is a thank goodness. Let's get on the bus
and let's get home. Yes, good news is I took
copious notes of that game. Bad news is I cannot
read my handwriting.
Speaker 8 (02:58):
At all.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
The old doctor, I mean, I have zero idea what
I was writing.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
I punched these into my phone. I actually like it
a lot better all these notes in my phone.
Speaker 8 (03:08):
Yeah, that's that's also a paint in the butt. Victim
me a favorite. Take a photo of actually, take a screenshot,
or just send me your notes and I will do
my best to translate them. Take a photo, okay, take
a photo of that.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Send it to me.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
I will do my best to translate what you have
written down.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Great, Please do read this.
Speaker 8 (03:26):
I used to You probably didn't know this, but back
in the day I was in I was in the
CIA were yeah, and I was in the basement at
Langley just decoding.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Writing and encrypted stuff. Well, here's what I've got from
what I can decipher. I thought Drake Greenlaw was going
to play. He was in full uniform, he was hyping
up the team pregame, he had his elbow brace on,
he's yelling smart things, hype things. And then he didn't play.
So Drake Greenlaw gets no run at all in the
(03:59):
pre s yep uh. And then after that, the Broncos
offense just sputters three and out to open the game,
including a penalty. You know those precinet penalties just drive
them crazy.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Well, delay against is a.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Pretty basic penalty for a veteran offense to have when
you're just trying to get a drive going in the
preseason that that can't happen. And I think that Sean
Payton intentionally didn't call a time out, like hey, I
want you to wear this, okay, wear that one.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And then crosshot punts the ball like four yards. I'm
not sure what the net was.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
I know that you don't care. I don't like I
don't like these bad punts. I don't like this at all.
No hangtime short like forty yards allows a return of
like twenty I don't like that.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
I wonder even though they spent even though they spent
a pick on it, I wonder if at some point
they'll bring somebody into compete, because he's just been hanging
by himself for quite Do you know what it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Sounds to me like? All right, so this guy's got
immense talent, otherwise he's not drafted correct. It sounds to
me like when you're getting a golf lesson and you're
trying to change your swing and you're just sort of
you're paralyzed mentally and you're thinking too much. It looks
to me like he's just thinking too much.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
Well, the Masters are coming up in two weeks, so
no more thinking too much. Just boot the ball, please.
You know, there is always this question this time of year.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You know.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
I think most of the cuts are going to happen today.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
You know, they'll have.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
I'm sure a few guys that they hang on to,
like your Matthessism, guys like that, to try and find
some sort of trade partner with. I think, all things considered, though,
it's not going to be that hard of a cutdown
for the Broncos once you get to.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
The last couple.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Maybe, but I think they've had about fifty guys set
in Stone for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Now, I agree. I want to see which player they
cut prizes us because there's always one surprise.
Speaker 8 (06:03):
There's gotta be right, always, Vicky, it doesn't feel like
it doesn't really feel like there's going to be I
hope there is because it gives me something to chew
on a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
But I doesn't. I'm with Brett.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
It feels like maybe there's one or two decisions about
and it's everybody they like.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It's not like they're like, yeah, we can cut this guy.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
It's man, do we need to keep one guy at
this position or one more guy at that position?
Speaker 7 (06:25):
We find five yesterday, just real quick, fick the five
from yesterday. Joaquin Davis, that big bodied wide out. He
was the first one to be like, oh, these are
all from Mike cliss by the way, joshuall Piket a corner.
I think he had a pick in that first preseason game.
He was like goo, mikeh Abraham another corner, Andrew Farmer
an outside linebacker, and then Clay Webb in interior offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
No real surprises there, no no real surprises. I tell
you who is making this team. And if you had
any doubt, all you had to do is watch that
game Tyler bidet Man. Yeah, not only just as a
running back, but as a kick returner. He returned that
to midfield. He has explosiveness about him. He has something.
You could tell why Sean Payton really wanted had that
(07:05):
itch to play him later last season. I got got something.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
I got you, by the way, Tyler Beday forty seven
yard kickoff return exclamation points, Yeah, I got I wrote that.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
You gotta read that one. Yeah, I wrote that. Oh
and before we move on, slow clap standing ovation for
our co host Brat Kane. I wasn't here last week
and I poo pooed your theory when you said that
Devon Veley could get a What did you say fifth
that the originally? And I laughed at you. I laughed
right at your face. In fact, I spit in your face.
(07:36):
I laughed at your face and I spit in your face.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It was yeah, it was a lot. It was You're
you're very rude to me.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yes, that was rude. And I want everyone to know
you are one hundred percent right. And I still even
though you were right, Even though you were right, and
I'm looking at some of the trades that are taking
place around the NFL. I cannot believe that guy got
a fourth and the seventh.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I know I can't either.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Can somebody tell me how that's possible, because look at
some of these other trades that are taking place, And
you tell me, from a value perspective, how does a
guy who's twenty seven, who started seven games one year
in get a fourth and a seventh? Well, here's we
made some comparisons. But before that, the only way that
(08:22):
happens is competition.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I didn't know there would be.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
It was rumored three teams were inquiring about Devon Veley,
and so that's I think that drove the price up
one number two. We did some comparisons, Vic Judy went
for a fifth and a sixth.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
That's what I'm Sayingdi. When you suggested he was gonna
get a fifth, I laughed at you because of the comps.
But there's no laughing today. You know. It just goes
to show you you're worth what you're worth, you're not
You're worth whatever you are at that moment. And when
you have leverage in the three teams vying for him, Yeah, right,
that's what got him the value, that's what got him. Sorry,
(08:58):
we're gonna go with this team. Okay, well we'll give
you a seventh two.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
I I wonder if there's anybody else that can net something,
you know, they Michliss said on was it Friday Moje
that they are shopping the Marri mathis and if he
doesn't get traded, he's going to be released. Maybe he
can get you something. People keep throwing out estimate. Estimate
is a good for him. He had a really good
(09:22):
final preseason game.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
He looked good. That touchdown run he had was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
He averaged five and a half yards of carry.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Hey, I don't think he's making this roster for because
of the reason you said earlier. Vic Tyler Biday, I
think is making this. I think that Sean Payton loves
that guy.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
Describe Au, Describe Vic probably didn't hear it. Describe Odrich what.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I say, He's a very he's a very bulky human being.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
No, a bulky behemoth of a human being.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Bulky behemoth of a human being.
Speaker 8 (09:51):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And then I made a joke.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
In their ears, you know, privately, privately private joke that
he he knew somebody looked like Drick Guess ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Uh. The point is he's I still don't get it.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
It's fine, You're fine, Rodrick Estimay, thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
You know what you're telling me that in my ears, Jeff,
I'm telling you right down, ninety of the listeners have
no idea what that joke is.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
It's fine, but the.
Speaker 8 (10:28):
One percent who do are probably good for you. But
they're probably spitting out their coffee, right Jeff Lakewold said
this last week.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
He goes.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
The concern that he thinks Peyton has about estimate is
he has one example of somebody that he cut in
his time at New Orleans that went on to become
a good player.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
That's Rob Ninkovic cut him from New Orleans.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
He went to New England, became a big player on
that defense and won Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
He actually talked about I mean yes, Peyton himself brought
that up and he's like, eh, so I bet those things,
I bet those things sting, and they sting for a
long time. Your second guessing is you can tell with
Sean Payton and he sixty's now the second guessing goes.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
On, well, because you don't want somebody to become a
big time player when you had him in your system. Now,
estimate feels exactly like Veyle. To me, Vele is a
good player. He was going to be a game day
inactive estimate if he makes this roster, You guys tell me,
is he going to be active on game days?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Doesn't doubt it? Ask yourself that the question. And I
asked this question last week. I listen, he's a domer.
I'd love to see him make this team. But what
does he do that the other running backs cannot? Yeah, well,
I mean other.
Speaker 8 (11:38):
Than he's he's a pretty let me go back to
Brett's point, he's a pretty thick runner.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, but it's not like outrageous thick.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
No.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You see him run the ball, You're like, oh, okay,
he's another running back. He doesn't look different than most.
That is correct.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Yeah, I just think you know, we have the audio, Nelly,
if you want to play it.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
This is estimate.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
After that final preseason game, again, to his credit, played
really well, made a nice last impression.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Actually I got it, Nelly, I got it. And here's
what he said.
Speaker 10 (12:10):
Made the team is not up to me. It's up
to the coaching staff, and it's honestly up to God,
and I feel like I did what I needed to
do to put myself in position to be on it.
But end of the day, it's Sean knows the best
of the team and I'm between my trust and guy,
and I feel like I did what I needed to do.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
You'll feel proud of what you've done this offseason and
you're getting in the end zone and all that.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Yes, I'm proud of my progression. I definitely got better
towards from last year to this year, and from the
beginning can towards the end. I definitely progressed a lot.
And that's all you could do is progress in this league.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
I don't think he's somebody that finds a draft compensation,
but he's probably somebody who's gonna get picked up off.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Let me let me translate for you, because he also
went on to thank the bro because for giving him
multiple carries late, Right, he knows that he got the
attention of another team out there. Yeah, that's that's what
he knows. He knows that there's a team he'll fall
into that program somewhere else. Right again, By two o'clock tomorrow,
they're going to be close to twelve hundred players available.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Yeah, get it a nice, little lasting impression and hopefully
somebody recognizes that and picks you up. So get more
into this as we go along today cutdown day. I'm
sure some of these will be trickling in during the show.
Can we give a shout out please on Friday to
our own coach Mike Sandford getting his first dub as
Valor head coach.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Very nice broadcast, Cracker and watch.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
I watched the job. I watched the whole thing. It's
interesting too, because when you see the close up photo
of a player, it doesn't look like the rings coming
down that hard. Then they show coach Sandford and he
looks like a wet pig, right, I mean he looks
like a drowned rat, does he not?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
On the south Okay?
Speaker 8 (13:47):
And then they show the lights and it looks like
an absolute monsoon.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Uh huh.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
But when you're actually focused on player on the field,
it didn't look that bad, but everybody else looked incredibly wet.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
It reminded me of the game at ten o'clock following
that day that Cannas State I would stay.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Game in Dublin was just a sloppy mess.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
The lines got erased on the thing stripes. You coudn't
even see the stripes anymore.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
They had to restripe it. I went, I was, here's
the geek I am. I'm like, I didn't think it
was supposed to rain. So I go to my weather
rapp Dublin, Dublin, Ohio. No, no, no, no, no, not Ohio, Dublin, Ireland,
and it was supposed to be cloudy, bud it. Yeah,
it was so Hey, Kathy Saban, who we all love.
(14:35):
Kathy's great, Kathy. What's with Dublin once you hook us up?
So we'll get to all this in a bit.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I just I really missed those stories about how Moser
confused Dublin for Dublin. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
We'll get to all were welcome, buddy in a bit.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Uh not to mention, Uh, we'll get to it a
little bit later. The Schnor Sanders thing is like whatever
you want to believe in how the NFL is perceiving him,
if they're doing it accurately or inaccurately. It's like, whatever
you wanted to believe, you got your chance to get
your opinion out, yes, or a couple days ago with
(15:11):
his final preseason game, because he is like the discourse
surrounding him is what I hate about the way that,
like Twitter in sports media talks about people.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So we'll get to all that in just a little bit.
Instagram gets it.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Up in time. That's the game, but the Saints hand.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
There was a lot of time by maybe the more time.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Man the Browns tossed down coming through is roll it
again boy to help his quarterback. I threw the ball
at a prayer up at the same time.
Speaker 9 (15:48):
I must feel unfair asking you because it's such a
heavy question, but you know.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You look forward to the future.
Speaker 8 (15:52):
Would you be thrilled to stay here or are you
looking to try to be a two somewhere else?
Speaker 9 (15:57):
That's a tough question. Unfortunately that's out of my hands,
and all I can control is my performance and how
I am on a daily basis, and so however it
works out, it works out. I love being here, I
love the quarterback room, I love this team. I'm really
excited for the direction that I think this organization is headed.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
That's a tough situation, isn't it. I think he handled
that diplomatically. That was Sam Ellinger. Is it Ellinger or Ellinger.
I still don't know. That's a great question I've heard.
I've heard both. I've heard both. I think it's Ellinger,
That's what I've always said. But Scottie Gage of nine
News asked him, you know you want to be a basically,
would you want to stay here and be the three
(16:36):
or you want a chance to be a two somewhere else.
I'm like, it's a tough spot to put a guy
in because I think everybody's answer would probably be I
want to be a backup because if the starter gets hurt,
then I play.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
That's what I want.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
But I wonder what Sean Payton wants. They took three
quarterbacks on the roster last year. Zach Wilson didn't do
anything at least as far as game purposes.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well, neither did Jared Stidham. Bow Nicks took every snap
of the season.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
But Jared Stidham was the next guy in line in
case something did happen that Wilson wouldn't have been.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
Some teams only carry two. I think the Bengals will
only carry two this year.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I think that.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
You should only carry two if you have a really
talented roster and you're trying to keep these guys at
the very edge of it, then what's the point in
keeping a third guy? And Allen Jerry thought had a
especially decent preseason, He had a decent camp.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
You know, it's really funny, I mean, especially when you
have this new emergency third quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
You know what's funny to me is the touchdown that
he threw, the go ahead touchdown late in the fourth quarter.
The amount of people on Twitter that thought that was
bo Nicks was hilarious to me because it did. It
does like his style looks a little bit like.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
He's scrambling around, he's doing a twisty twist and he's
kind of he threw it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I mean, let's be honest here, he threw it.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Up for grabs and it just went to the right spot.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, that's kind of that's kind of what it was.
Or maybe that's all what it was.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
I don't I want to give him the benefit of
the doubt vic that he actually he's like, that's my guy,
and I'm gonna throw this into the air and he's
gonna get it, like he planned it all out that way.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
But I don't think he did all right, you know,
the third team offense. Uh, clearly they had some flashes.
But I want to talk. I need to talk about
the first team. They didn't even go to their second
string quarterback because they know he's locked, right, Jared's Didham
is locked. He's good enough, he's locked. What concern do
you guys have with the first team offense? I've won,
(18:39):
and my one.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Concern is the inability to run the football effectively.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Is now in the preseason and no point did they
display to me. Now you may have seen flashes to
me a consistent run game.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Yeah, I agree, there were no big I mean with
the first team offense, there were nothing broke. If I broke,
I mean, nothing broke out. And what nobody you know,
nobody rattled off this or that.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Here's what's funny, Zach Stevens.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
The DNVR has this the Broncos if you care about
this kind of thing. The Broncos ranking during the NFL preseason,
they were the number one offense of the preseason. They
were the number two pass offense and the number three
run offense. On defense, they were the number one defense
of the preseason, number two pass defense, number two run defense.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
So I mean, I I agree with you. Vic it
didn't like, that's.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
A team stat not the first team. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I don't care about the third team. I don't care.
That doesn't matter. I agree, third team's not playing in
the regular.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
Sam Allen jerk, Yeah, I don't care. You know, he
had a nineteen yard gainer, that kind of thing, and
you're like, Okay, what's that's pretty big. It's quarterback scrambling
out and he's a third string quarterback, and blah blah
blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I care about stuff like that. I'm think I'm not freaking.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
I just I would hope to have seen you know,
either twenty seven or thirty seven bus through some for
a couple of big gainers.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Listen, and people are going to argue, well, they didn't
have a chance. They really didn't game plan anything. It
was all vanilla. Well, what is the run game. The
run game is vanilla. The run game has blocked the
guy in front of you, make a hole and run
through that hole. That's what it is. And I just
that's my only concern. After the preseason they did not
establish a run game. Yeah, not from the first team offense.
(20:24):
I'm looking at a couple of those drives. First drive
is three and now second drive, Tyler Bidet puts them
in ideal field position, takes it to midfield. On the
kick return, Boda Franklin for three yards, Voda Troutman for
two yards. Third and five, Bedegos nowhere. Again, they try
to run the ball on third and five, it goes nowhere.
They resort to a fourth down play in which bo
(20:48):
hits a perfect back shoulder pass to Courtland Sutton, to
which I want to ask, where is this offense without
Courtland Sutton right now?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah? Well, they looked in mid season form, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Oh, they look great. That's a great chemistry between those two. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
I was just gonna say, when when guys have it Vic,
you can tell that they bear on the same day.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
He feels something with Corlin. He knows where to throw it,
how to get it to him. Again, look at the
other drives. There was just never an opportunity to get
the run game going. Even on the scoring drive. I'm
looking at my notes. Where where was there a run?
(21:31):
Where was there a run of any consequence?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Well, texture makes it at least a decent point. I
don't think it. Dobbin's had to carry all preseason didn't.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That's why I would like to have seen.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
That's why I said I would like to have seen
twenty seven or thirty seven break you out a little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Harvey.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
What the first week he had he had the one
nice touchdown run where you had the great, the great
lead by throck.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Morton that kicked the guy out and he.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Squeezed through the hole. That I mean, that looks really good, Brett.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
But again, your that was not your first that was
not your first team offensive line out there either.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Don't make the mistake of thinking that just throwing different
running backs out there make make the difference. The run
game starts up front. You gotta find a hole, you
gotta find a crevice, you gotta find a And I
didn't see those out of the first team offense. Again,
I hope it's just a hey, no big deal. And
and come the opener against Tennessee, you see some wide
open gashes. But man, there is nothing that the Broncos
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starting offense did. This is a fact, and anybody can
dispute this with me. There is no run game in
the starting offense that gives you promise. You tell me,
did you see a run game in the preseason.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I mean it wasn't great.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
No, it was non existent.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, yeah, I sure, sure, that's all. No, I think
you're right.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I'm just trying to be fair. And it's a very
reason Sean Payton left that first team offense out there.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Well again, I think he would he would have kept
him in there the fourth quarter if they didn't have
a touchdown. He's like, I'm coming away with a TV
at some point, you guys should get me one now.
I think that's a totally fair statement of maketh. And
we'll get back to this in a second. Just curious
as you guys watched the I don't know if you
did or not, but I certainly did watched the Chador
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discourse take place live during his game. It's a really
bizarre sort of evaluation. And look into the sports psyche
of a fan. Whatever you feel like Shadoor Sanders was
heading into that draft and heading into this preseason, you
got the opportunity to justify it. What did Jeff Lagwald
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tell us that scouts were concerned about with Shador Sanders
heading into the draft, they're.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Taking too many sacks holding onto the football.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
He said, is that a choice or something he had
to do at see you to be successful. It very
much looks like a choice. I can't remember the exact amount.
Was it something like fourteen drop in that game and
five of them resulted in sacks.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
He just refuses to get to get rid of the football.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Then now there was one play where he did escape
a whole bunch of pressure and then threw a ball
on the money and the guy dropped it who was
wide open.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That doesn't help either. But either you think Shador.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Is that guy that played in the final preseason game,
was overhyped, not that good, blah blah blah, or you
think the entire NFL is out to get Shador because
Eric Dickerson said that the other day. And then I
will admit this was weird. Did you guys see what
happened at the end of that Browns game?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
So Shit came out and replaced him with Tyler Huntley,
who got.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Tyler Huntley, who they knew they were going to cut
for some reason, gave him the final two minute warning
drive to try and win the game.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Was it like a hey, thanks for coming in, here's
a little more film that you can.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Throw to somebody.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
But why wouldn't you want to see during Because maybe
you don't made up your mind that he's going to
be on the roster.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Are going to keep four quarterbacks on a roster?
Speaker 8 (25:04):
Well, Vickla's so, Nelly just sent this to us. Scott
Proctor tweets out this is wild and he shows the
play where one of the Sanders sacks.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Four of the.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
Five offensive linemen blocking for Shador Sanders were waived by
the Browns today.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Well, that's what happens when you're playing at the end
of the final preseason.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Well, that's correct. You can say that about Joe Ellinger
or Sam Sam Ellinger as well. I mean, look at
his offensive lineman eight. But okay, I'm not first of all,
I'm not doing Ellinger Ellinger, Yeah, you.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
Gotta make a choice. You I just confused him from
bow Nicks. Yeah, here's your every quarterback. Let's combine all three.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Listen, listen, listen back to the Chad. It's almost impossible
to refine about about Shador Sanders because there are so
many ridiculous opinions find out there that it's it's my numbing,
it's dizzying, I don't know what that the hell's going on.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Here's my favorite one.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
So Shiloh his final preseason game in Tampa. He gets
ejected for throwing a punch. And look, did he start it, No,
but he the ref saw him throw a punch. You
get ejected, that's the rule. He's also the first one
to get cut after that game. And I saw this.
I did my favorite thing, moj which was read the
replies and the amounts of people that said the NFL
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has it out for the Sanders family. And I'm like,
let's be clear about one thing. Whatever you think about Shador,
that's like a whole spectrum that you could fall on
of how good you think he is.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I like Shiloh, thank's a good guy. He's not an
NFL player.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Hey, he's not. Whoever made that statement that the Let
me tell you something. Shiloh is in Tampa's camp as
a favorite to his father.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Yes, Shiloh is not an NFL player. Okay, he's not.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
He hits hard, he's got a good attitude, but he
is not nearly fast enough to play that position, not
good enough at covering.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Now there's a whole bunch of things that he just
can't do. Chador, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
I am like, I'm more confused about Shador Sanders than
I've ever been in my life, because you had that
first preseason game where it looks great and then whatever
the hell that thing was. And you could blame it
on offensive line if you want to. Bottom line is, guys,
when that breaks.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Throw the ball away.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
You know what it tells me, though, Brent. It tells
me that the worst case team drafted him. Any other
franchise would have had a little better approach to this.
But the fact that he's he's now playing for. I
don't even know what you call the Cleveland Browns, this
smelting pot of quarterbacks. Any franchise out there that says, oh, yeah,
it's an opportunity to keep four starting quarterbacks, none of
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which we know is any good. It's an opportunity. What
are you doing? I don't know what is that.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
I can't think of any team in the last thirty
years or more that's kept four quarterbacks on the roster.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
That's my first of all.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
It's dumb. It's just dumb. You gotta get you should.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Every roster spot, Brett, you and I were at nauseam
talking about this on Thursday and Friday. Every single roster
spot VIC is worth its weight in gold. In the
National Football League these days. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I mean, you had fifty.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
Three dudes, but you play virtually all of them at
some point, and the difference between winning and losing could
be that one dude in that one position. So to
keep four quarterbacks where a lot of teams keep two
and then stash one guy, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
I hang it.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I can't believe they're really going to do that.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
There have been four, I'm sorry, five teams since twenty
thirteen to carry four quarterbacks on a roster into the season.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Was one of them, the Broncos during the COVID or
what no, because they had four quarterbacks at one point
and they all got suspended for a game.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
The last team to do it was in twenty twenty one.
It's kind of a cheat. It was the Saints because
they had Taso. Some come on, so it was Taysom
come on, Jameis Winston, Trevor Simeon and Ian Book come on.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Let me give you the other ones.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Twenty on the twenty twenty New York Jets had Sam Darnold,
James Morgan, Joe Fleco ironically again, and Mike White.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
They wait, they carried for they had they used for.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
They carried four into the into the season. Who the
hell's James Morgan?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Don't know?
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Is that?
Speaker 7 (29:25):
I think that's Captain Morgan. Twenty eighteen Miami Dolphins. They
had Tannehill, Rock Osweiler, Luke Falk and David Fayles.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Who the hell David fails?
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
So what did all those teams? What did all those
teams have in common?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
They stuck?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
They have been stuck. None of those quarterbacks. Yeah, were
the guys.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
There's one team that I feel like might have been good.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Now I don't know this for sure, but the twenty
thirteen Washington football team had Kirk Cousins, Pat White, Rex Grossman,
and RG three.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
So they kept four.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
White West Virginia.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
I think that's the Pat White, It says Patrick, but
I am Pat White. Let me see, Well, I just
googled Patrick White and he's a very old man who
was an Australian novelist and a playwright.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, that's him, and also and also could throw the pig. Yes, it,
but it just goes to prove again in hindsight, the
fact that Cleveland ended up with this Chadour show makes
it even more of a show. He needed to go
somewhere that's normal, Vic, would you agree that? In college?
Speaker 8 (30:33):
And I'll go back to his previous stint, and then
at Colorado, was he the best player on the offensive
side of the football.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Of course he was? Okay, in fact, in fact, everybody
looks Travis Hunter's a Heisman Trophy winner, right right. I
can make the argument and I'll say it with my chest.
Shador Sanders was the most important player on that football
team in the last two years. So when you look
at it, it was, hey, hey, look at me. I
know Travis Hunter was the most dynamic, Yeah he was,
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but the most important was Shediorge Sanders.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
So you guys agree, agreed. So Travis was you know,
he's a great receiver, don't get me wrong. Obviously Heisman
Trophy winner, but when he had the ball in his hand,
the offense was basically predicated on him extending plays, making
things happen. To finally get you to see what I'm saying, like,
he had to be the guy and so to try
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to to try to coach that out of him is
probably going to take some time. But he's got tremendous
talent and so you can see that's not going to
translate the National Football League, because even the Rams backups,
they were on your bacon, like crazy, they're on you
right now. And so you've got to get rid of
the football that can be coached out of him. But
the situation with the Browns is like it's almost like
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they're they're rooting against him inside the organization and so
and so I'm like, God, leave if that's the case.
How much if I was him, I would ask to
be released and I would want to go someplace else where. Actually,
somebody goes, you know what, We're going to coach that
out of you, and we're going to uh, we're gonna
we're gonna turn you into all.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
They asked him, they said, are.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Are you gonna make the team, And his answer was
obviously that's what he said.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Well, you know, you gotta watch the whole thing in context.
I guarantee you this. I'm gonna say this right here.
If you gave Shador Sanders the option right now and
it's too late now, if you gave him the option,
if you had a crystal ball, he could see where
he is right now, and you said one more year
of college football, do it? You think he would? Probably? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Probably, Well, although this quarterback class coming up is also
going to be a very good class.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Although I think if you told him that, he would
have thought this scenario that's playing out is so far fetched,
it would never happen.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Be like, nah, you're wrong.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Well, if you had told him back in March, and
you're not going to get drafted in the first round,
second round, third round, You're going to be one of
four quarterbacks. And here's what's gonna happen. Do you want
to go back to school and just figure it out
another year?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Give him that option and make more money.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, probably would have made more money to it. I
probably about it. We're gonna get into it later in
the show. College football kicked off this weekend and it
was glorious, glorious. I watched. I watched pretty much. I
watched three games.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Do you watch Mercer?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I didn't watch that game, but I watched.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Time out, time out, time out, timeout quick. That's you
see Davis playing mercery. You see Davis is in the
is in the big sky against un C BRO.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Why does that matter?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Go ag.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
Well, you see, Davis was the big rival of Sex
State back in the day, so I had a best
interest in this game. To watch the Aggies lose and
they actually beat the snot out of Mercer, right, So yeah, hey.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
So does that answer your question? Now?
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Questy questerson, No, I watched the damn football game. College
football is back. We'll get to that in a bit.
Stick around, Yeah, big pawn, where'd he go?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Nelly? Hey, guess what, guys, College football has returned. It
is back.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Got its football to cut some of that big twelve action.
Ten o'clock in the morning from Dublin, a very very
sloppy game that included I think fifteen fumbles verty sloppy start.
In fact, the first one, Kansas State holds Iowa State
two a three and out.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
They punt it to.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Dylan Edwards, who muffs it and then immediately walks off
the field.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
But do you know why an ankle problem?
Speaker 7 (34:36):
Didn't?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
He said? Do you know why he muffed it? Vic?
Do you know why the muff happened? I mean, muff's happened.
We all know that they do happen.
Speaker 8 (34:45):
The muff happens, and he gets his leg twisted up
because before the kickoff they shut off a ton of
fireworks at the stadium, and as they kicked the football
high in the air, the smoke, the smoke envelops the football.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
That's great, and it was raining.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
You're like anything else?
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Can you give me a sunglare?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah? Please?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Can you give me a laser pointer to the eye?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Right?
Speaker 8 (35:11):
And then and then and that guy, yeah, that guy
in the far intel with the laser pointer in his
face didn't help the And I'm like, dudes, I mean,
what do we I mean, I know you're.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Excited about it.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
And then there's then there's airplanes all air Lingus I know,
was the air Lingers Bowl or whatever you want to
call it. There's airplanes all over the place, tons of airplane.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Now I know why those games exist. The entire game
was a promotion to go fly and visit Ireland's exactly
with all the commercials.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
They gave a metric ton of money for an entire
tourism campaign was and look, hey, Vic, guess what it worked.
I want to go to Ireland so bad it looks amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I want to yes, but why does that airlines sound like?
I don't.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
I want to go to just want to take an
airplane Ireland.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I don't care which which.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Do that. Hey, let's let's get a little nasty with
our airline here, see if you can attract some customers.
All right, man, fly air.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
BJ next time.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
What you're doing? Okay, okay, listen, what is what is
going on? You watch?
Speaker 8 (36:23):
So it's it's it's derived from longus, which means fleet
or shipping in Irish.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
You ever flow, This is America. Okay, I'm trying to
give this above board here. I don't I don't know, Moser.
I really appreciate Mosler. I appreciate your explanation because you
are a cunning linguist. So thank you.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
If I'm gonna fly that was so good, you deserve
more for that. If I'm the guy not cracking the
foul jokes in everybody's ear, then this whole program has
a real problem.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Okay, because going I'm going to Asia, I'm gonna fly
reach around next time.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
No come back, come on, not even come.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
It's not even clever. You didn't even try on that one.
It's gotta be.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
A little bit coated.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Anyway, the point is there was a lot of airline. Yeah,
it is awful.
Speaker 8 (37:21):
I'm sitting in the middle of Rome and like flight
three two five from Dublin is late.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I'm like the only one who thought that. I was like,
what is going on with.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
Holy If you go around the US, you'll see that,
But on the East coast, especially Okay, and then especially
in Europe, dude, and we're flying all over Europe, right, yeah,
it's all over the place.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
You're like, hey, you can't escape it. And actually that's
enough with that point of order. I think Vic's airline
name was fantastic because if you want to reach around
at different corners of the globe's exactly just hop on
that airline exactly right. It makes total sense.
Speaker 8 (37:55):
But but but Vick, you probably don't know this, but
both of Brett's parents went to Kansas State, so there, oh,
I know this. They highly vested in the outcome of
that game.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I watched a lot of Big Twelve football on Saturday
because I watched the Kansas game against President State. They
devowered Presno State later that day. The Big Twelve, folks,
see who was in for a tough run this year.
The Big Twelve is not easy. It's never really been easy.
But there's some ballers in that conference. And the fact
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that Iowa State was able to overcome h K State,
and then not only that, what is with K State's
quarterbacks family members getting in a fistfight. His father, Avery
Johnson's father and brother outside the stadium fought each other,
fighting each other. Yeah, that was not good. Yeah, But
besides that, I had texted Troy.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
At t Willi and Brett early in the morning and
I said, you gotta do something about your quarterbacks hair.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
You gotta fix that.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
Agree, And not that I'm against you know, some good
flow like that, but that's middle lineback. If you want
to have some flow, you can have some flow sticking out.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
The bottom of your hot win.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
I don't think that kid's very good.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
He's not accurate.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
No, he's a he can't throw. He can't throw.
Speaker 8 (39:18):
Those first especially early on, throwing behind his receivers like
he had guys are wide open. He's throwing behind him
maybe like what football something, but he's he did that
all last year too.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
He's just he's not very talented throwing the ball.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
But got middle linebacker hair. You can't you can't have
middle linebacker hair on your running quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
That's my opinion. I'm watching his dad and his brother
fight and I'm what, what is going on? I don't
know what, And it's wet and there's a big puddle
and they just lost.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Yeah, the face down, the face is going on.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Hold on, if you're ended up. If your team lost
and your son and brother were the quarterback and you
two end up face down in a dublin puddle outside
the stadium's bat trip, that's not a good Yeah, that's
not a good trip to Ireland. Vic arlingis is like,
we don't want you on our airline.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
How do you think caused that fight? Do you think?
I don't know, you think that the brother said something
bad about giants?
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Beer beer beer caused that fight? Bo, I'm not I'm
not entirely sure. What is really crazy, though, is we're
four days away from CU's first game. They play Friday
against Georgia Tech, which is also equally as like, oh
my god, we're here.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Well, I'm glad we could talk football this week. This
is a week we could talk football. And let me say
this about see you. In my humble opinion, this is
the worst kind of opponent they could face in the
opening game, dude, the worst, the worst kind.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
Georgia Tech is just they play an entire season not
to win a championship, to ruin somebody else's year. They
they did that like multiple times last year, Brett, they
played to run the ball right up your face. Yeah, okay,
remember they took Georgia to what eighty five overtimes in
that one game. I can't remember how many overtimes they
went to before they finally said, forget it, let's end
this thing.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
They run the ball. They run the ball. And one
of the you watched the U last season against run
heavy teams Kansas Kansas State run heavy teams, they struggled.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
So this is what they did last year.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
By the way, they beat Florida State, and I know
Florida State was terrible at the time. That like the
opening week of the season. That was a big one
because they were ranked tenth. They barely lost to Louisville
was ranked nineteenth at the time. They beat If you
guys remember they dealt Miami their first loss.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Late season, that is correct, I do remember, they sure did.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
And then they lost in eight overtimes to Georgia the
final week eight.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
I remember watching that game and then had so many
opportunities to win and clinch that game and couldn't get
it done. But that was last year. I'm just saying, Brick,
their coach, their whole system. It's designed to run the
ball and churn out yards on the ground.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
And the reason why I think it's just a tough
opponent for SeeU is because See You is trying to
rediscover what it is. It's trying to re rejuvenate a
team that we don't know what we're gonna see Friday.
You know, like, wait, do you guys have any idea? No?
Speaker 8 (42:21):
I know, we don't even know who the starting quarterback is,
do we not yet? I've been, I've been, I looked
at the weekend.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
We're both gonna play.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
I'm almost convinced to that they if they haven't said
definitively anything yet, like they're gonna use both the guys,
I think, and try them out the first come we
see You.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
It's a sold out game. Most home games now are
sold out for See You. If ce you can find
a way to beat Georgia Tech, I'm gonna tell you
right now, that's a hell of a win. That is
a quality win against a very good team at home.
And people may poo poo that, And it's ironic because
these are the two teams that shared the national championship
back in nineteen ninety one. For those long time su fans.
Speaker 11 (42:58):
Yes, yes, uh, there is a history of CU football
and it starts before two years ago. They were once
a national champion. I don't know if you if if
your history goes back that far, but these are two
teams that shared the national title in ninety one.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
They meet again Friday night.
Speaker 8 (43:18):
When he talks like that, you see his eyeballs, Yeah,
you see what happened to his eyeballs.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
You know who that's you know who that's.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
For, Nelly.
Speaker 7 (43:24):
Let's get to Let's get Brian Howe on the phone
sometime this week. He's got to have more information on
this than than most.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Absolutely all, this is going to look like I'm looking
see you didn't exist until to your Oh there's a history.
It's gonna be a chillier weekless day. It's supposed to.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
Maybe rain every single day except Friday. Has the lowest
chance of precipitation according to weather my Weather RAPP at
twenty four percent, but sandwiched all around, it looks like
rain today through Sunday, or at least a good chance
anywhere from eighty six percent today to sixty eight to
seventy two to thirty nine to thirty six. So we
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may get some precipitation up there, Vic. The Buffs better
be able to run the football. So thanks, thanks Weather there, oh.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Up the one. Just open your big eyes.
Speaker 8 (44:12):
Oh weather and man, everybody talk about the weather man
weather em.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Give me, please, please please, Let's do another half hour
of percentages of rain possibilities for the next three weeks. Please, yeah,
with rain rain.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
I need somebody to ask Dian about the rain again.
I'm one of those good weather man.
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The play pattern d Action, next Sat Open and to
Bill where yet it's it's a big play inside the
thirty so good some of the battlefield by.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Poe Knicks for a gain of forty three yards.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I'm playing for it the field. It's good play.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Touchdown.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Yes it is Cortland Sutton, no recognition at all from
any of the officials, but it is a score.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I know it's a Preseasar guys.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
You know, he's a really great veteran on a team
like this to have and you know, just to see
him go out there and play that hard for a
preseason three games just really unique.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Happy for him.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
No, he's gonna have a really strong start of the
year and along with a lot of other guys, but
it's good to have that back and forth, just kind
of see the field in his eyes and then you know,
make some adjustments.
Speaker 7 (01:20):
I have a feeling the Broncos first team offense would
still be playing football right now if they haven't had
a touchdown yet. Sean Payton was going to leave them
in for an entire preseason game if it meant that
they needed to get a touchdown before he took him
off the field.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
All I kept hearing after every series is no, no, no, no.
Speaker 7 (01:38):
Yeah, you get your ass back out there and finally end.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
No no no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Dude.
Speaker 8 (01:45):
Thought I thought it went pretty well because they finished
up with a touch and then they could sit and
feel good about themselves. But they also and I tweeted
that out then I said, you know what, that's not
exactly accurate.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Let me let me get rid of that.
Speaker 8 (01:59):
It was the roughing penalty, the unnecessary roughness penalty that
sort of just kept them going.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Otherwise they're probably dead in the water then.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
And that was on Harvey, right.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
No, the road is penalty on the New Orleans defense.
Speaker 7 (02:13):
No, no, no, I'm saying, but it wasn't that because they
blew up Harven in the middle of the play when yeah,
something something, I don't know. I didn't see a replay
of it, but yeah, that extended the drive allot them
getting the endze who cares like they just get a
touchdown and leaves yo gone. The most important details what
Vick always talks about. For the most part, they were unscathed.
(02:33):
Like Watson left a little bit late in that game,
but as far as first team offense, first team defense,
nobody left with an injury, which that's the entire goal.
If you're gonna play your guys during the preseason, have
them all leave walking under their own power.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
That is a thank goodness. Let's get on the bus
and let's get home. Yes, good news is I took
copious notes of that game. Bad news is I cannot
read my handwriting.
Speaker 8 (02:58):
At all.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
The old doctor, I mean, I have zero idea what
I was writing.
Speaker 7 (03:03):
I punched these into my phone. I actually like it
a lot better all these notes in my phone.
Speaker 8 (03:08):
Yeah, that's that's also a paint in the butt. Victim
me a favorite. Take a photo of actually, take a screenshot,
or just send me your notes and I will do
my best to translate them. Take a photo, okay, take
a photo of that.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Send it to me.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
I will do my best to translate what you have
written down.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Great, Please do read this.
Speaker 8 (03:26):
I used to You probably didn't know this, but back
in the day I was in I was in the
CIA were yeah, and I was in the basement at
Langley just decoding.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Writing and encrypted stuff. Well, here's what I've got from
what I can decipher. I thought Drake Greenlaw was going
to play. He was in full uniform, he was hyping
up the team pregame, he had his elbow brace on,
he's yelling smart things, hype things. And then he didn't play.
So Drake Greenlaw gets no run at all in the
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pre s yep uh. And then after that, the Broncos
offense just sputters three and out to open the game,
including a penalty. You know those precinet penalties just drive
them crazy.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Well, delay against is a.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
Pretty basic penalty for a veteran offense to have when
you're just trying to get a drive going in the
preseason that that can't happen. And I think that Sean
Payton intentionally didn't call a time out, like hey, I
want you to wear this, okay, wear that one.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And then crosshot punts the ball like four yards. I'm
not sure what the net was.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
I know that you don't care. I don't like I
don't like these bad punts. I don't like this at all.
No hangtime short like forty yards allows a return of
like twenty I don't like that.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
I wonder even though they spent even though they spent
a pick on it, I wonder if at some point
they'll bring somebody into compete, because he's just been hanging
by himself for quite Do you know what it.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Sounds to me like? All right, so this guy's got
immense talent, otherwise he's not drafted correct. It sounds to
me like when you're getting a golf lesson and you're
trying to change your swing and you're just sort of
you're paralyzed mentally and you're thinking too much. It looks
to me like he's just thinking too much.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
Well, the Masters are coming up in two weeks, so
no more thinking too much. Just boot the ball, please.
You know, there is always this question this time of year.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You know.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
I think most of the cuts are going to happen today.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
You know, they'll have.
Speaker 7 (05:34):
I'm sure a few guys that they hang on to,
like your Matthessism, guys like that, to try and find
some sort of trade partner with. I think, all things considered, though,
it's not going to be that hard of a cutdown
for the Broncos once you get to.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
The last couple.
Speaker 7 (05:51):
Maybe, but I think they've had about fifty guys set
in Stone for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Now, I agree. I want to see which player they
cut prizes us because there's always one surprise.
Speaker 8 (06:03):
There's gotta be right, always, Vicky, it doesn't feel like
it doesn't really feel like there's going to be I
hope there is because it gives me something to chew
on a little bit.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
But I doesn't. I'm with Brett.
Speaker 8 (06:13):
It feels like maybe there's one or two decisions about
and it's everybody they like.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
It's not like they're like, yeah, we can cut this guy.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
It's man, do we need to keep one guy at
this position or one more guy at that position?
Speaker 7 (06:25):
We find five yesterday, just real quick, fick the five
from yesterday. Joaquin Davis, that big bodied wide out. He
was the first one to be like, oh, these are
all from Mike cliss by the way, joshuall Piket a corner.
I think he had a pick in that first preseason game.
He was like goo, mikeh Abraham another corner, Andrew Farmer
an outside linebacker, and then Clay Webb in interior offensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
No real surprises there, no no real surprises. I tell
you who is making this team. And if you had
any doubt, all you had to do is watch that
game Tyler bidet Man. Yeah, not only just as a
running back, but as a kick returner. He returned that
to midfield. He has explosiveness about him. He has something.
You could tell why Sean Payton really wanted had that
(07:05):
itch to play him later last season. I got got something.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
I got you, by the way, Tyler Beday forty seven
yard kickoff return exclamation points, Yeah, I got I wrote that.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
You gotta read that one. Yeah, I wrote that. Oh
and before we move on, slow clap standing ovation for
our co host Brat Kane. I wasn't here last week
and I poo pooed your theory when you said that
Devon Veley could get a What did you say fifth
that the originally? And I laughed at you. I laughed
right at your face. In fact, I spit in your face.
(07:36):
I laughed at your face and I spit in your face.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
It was yeah, it was a lot. It was You're
you're very rude to me.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yes, that was rude. And I want everyone to know
you are one hundred percent right. And I still even
though you were right, Even though you were right, and
I'm looking at some of the trades that are taking
place around the NFL. I cannot believe that guy got
a fourth and the seventh.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I know I can't either.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Can somebody tell me how that's possible, because look at
some of these other trades that are taking place, And
you tell me, from a value perspective, how does a
guy who's twenty seven, who started seven games one year
in get a fourth and a seventh? Well, here's we
made some comparisons. But before that, the only way that
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happens is competition.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I didn't know there would be.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
It was rumored three teams were inquiring about Devon Veley,
and so that's I think that drove the price up
one number two. We did some comparisons, Vic Judy went
for a fifth and a sixth.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
That's what I'm Sayingdi. When you suggested he was gonna
get a fifth, I laughed at you because of the comps.
But there's no laughing today. You know. It just goes
to show you you're worth what you're worth, you're not
You're worth whatever you are at that moment. And when
you have leverage in the three teams vying for him, Yeah, right,
that's what got him the value, that's what got him. Sorry,
(08:58):
we're gonna go with this team. Okay, well we'll give
you a seventh two.
Speaker 7 (09:01):
I I wonder if there's anybody else that can net something,
you know, they Michliss said on was it Friday Moje
that they are shopping the Marri mathis and if he
doesn't get traded, he's going to be released. Maybe he
can get you something. People keep throwing out estimate. Estimate
is a good for him. He had a really good
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final preseason game.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
He looked good. That touchdown run he had was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
He averaged five and a half yards of carry.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Hey, I don't think he's making this roster for because
of the reason you said earlier. Vic Tyler Biday, I
think is making this. I think that Sean Payton loves
that guy.
Speaker 8 (09:37):
Describe Au, Describe Vic probably didn't hear it. Describe Odrich what.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I say, He's a very he's a very bulky human being.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
No, a bulky behemoth of a human being.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Bulky behemoth of a human being.
Speaker 8 (09:51):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And then I made a joke.
Speaker 8 (09:55):
In their ears, you know, privately, privately private joke that
he he knew somebody looked like Drick Guess ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Uh. The point is he's I still don't get it.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
It's fine, You're fine, Rodrick Estimay, thank you.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
You know what you're telling me that in my ears, Jeff,
I'm telling you right down, ninety of the listeners have
no idea what that joke is.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
It's fine, but the.
Speaker 8 (10:28):
One percent who do are probably good for you. But
they're probably spitting out their coffee, right Jeff Lakewold said
this last week.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
He goes.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
The concern that he thinks Peyton has about estimate is
he has one example of somebody that he cut in
his time at New Orleans that went on to become
a good player.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
That's Rob Ninkovic cut him from New Orleans.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
He went to New England, became a big player on
that defense and won Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
He actually talked about I mean yes, Peyton himself brought
that up and he's like, eh, so I bet those things,
I bet those things sting, and they sting for a
long time. Your second guessing is you can tell with
Sean Payton and he sixty's now the second guessing goes.
Speaker 7 (11:04):
On, well, because you don't want somebody to become a
big time player when you had him in your system. Now,
estimate feels exactly like Veyle. To me, Vele is a
good player. He was going to be a game day
inactive estimate if he makes this roster, You guys tell me,
is he going to be active on game days?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Doesn't doubt it? Ask yourself that the question. And I
asked this question last week. I listen, he's a domer.
I'd love to see him make this team. But what
does he do that the other running backs cannot? Yeah, well,
I mean other.
Speaker 8 (11:38):
Than he's he's a pretty let me go back to
Brett's point, he's a pretty thick runner.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, but it's not like outrageous thick.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
No.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
You see him run the ball, You're like, oh, okay,
he's another running back. He doesn't look different than most.
That is correct.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
Yeah, I just think you know, we have the audio, Nelly,
if you want to play it.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
This is estimate.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
After that final preseason game, again, to his credit, played
really well, made a nice last impression.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Actually I got it, Nelly, I got it. And here's
what he said.
Speaker 10 (12:10):
Made the team is not up to me. It's up
to the coaching staff, and it's honestly up to God,
and I feel like I did what I needed to
do to put myself in position to be on it.
But end of the day, it's Sean knows the best
of the team and I'm between my trust and guy,
and I feel like I did what I needed to do.
Speaker 8 (12:25):
You'll feel proud of what you've done this offseason and
you're getting in the end zone and all that.
Speaker 10 (12:29):
Yes, I'm proud of my progression. I definitely got better
towards from last year to this year, and from the
beginning can towards the end. I definitely progressed a lot.
And that's all you could do is progress in this league.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
I don't think he's somebody that finds a draft compensation,
but he's probably somebody who's gonna get picked up off.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Let me let me translate for you, because he also
went on to thank the bro because for giving him
multiple carries late, Right, he knows that he got the
attention of another team out there. Yeah, that's that's what
he knows. He knows that there's a team he'll fall
into that program somewhere else. Right again, By two o'clock tomorrow,
they're going to be close to twelve hundred players available.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
Yeah, get it a nice, little lasting impression and hopefully
somebody recognizes that and picks you up. So get more
into this as we go along today cutdown day. I'm
sure some of these will be trickling in during the show.
Can we give a shout out please on Friday to
our own coach Mike Sandford getting his first dub as
Valor head coach.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Very nice broadcast, Cracker and watch.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
I watched the job. I watched the whole thing. It's
interesting too, because when you see the close up photo
of a player, it doesn't look like the rings coming
down that hard. Then they show coach Sandford and he
looks like a wet pig, right, I mean he looks
like a drowned rat, does he not?
Speaker 3 (13:46):
On the south Okay?
Speaker 8 (13:47):
And then they show the lights and it looks like
an absolute monsoon.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Uh huh.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
But when you're actually focused on player on the field,
it didn't look that bad, but everybody else looked incredibly wet.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
It reminded me of the game at ten o'clock following
that day that Cannas State I would stay.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Game in Dublin was just a sloppy mess.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
The lines got erased on the thing stripes. You coudn't
even see the stripes anymore.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
They had to restripe it. I went, I was, here's
the geek I am. I'm like, I didn't think it
was supposed to rain. So I go to my weather
rapp Dublin, Dublin, Ohio. No, no, no, no, no, not Ohio, Dublin, Ireland,
and it was supposed to be cloudy, bud it. Yeah,
it was so Hey, Kathy Saban, who we all love.
(14:35):
Kathy's great, Kathy. What's with Dublin once you hook us up?
So we'll get to all this in a bit.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I just I really missed those stories about how Moser
confused Dublin for Dublin. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
We'll get to all were welcome, buddy in a bit.
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Uh not to mention, Uh, we'll get to it a
little bit later. The Schnor Sanders thing is like whatever
you want to believe in how the NFL is perceiving him,
if they're doing it accurately or inaccurately. It's like, whatever
you wanted to believe, you got your chance to get
your opinion out, yes, or a couple days ago with
(15:11):
his final preseason game, because he is like the discourse
surrounding him is what I hate about the way that,
like Twitter in sports media talks about people.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So we'll get to all that in just a little bit.
Instagram gets it.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Up in time. That's the game, but the Saints hand.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
There was a lot of time by maybe the more time.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Man the Browns tossed down coming through is roll it
again boy to help his quarterback. I threw the ball
at a prayer up at the same time.
Speaker 9 (15:48):
I must feel unfair asking you because it's such a
heavy question, but you know.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
You look forward to the future.
Speaker 8 (15:52):
Would you be thrilled to stay here or are you
looking to try to be a two somewhere else?
Speaker 9 (15:57):
That's a tough question. Unfortunately that's out of my hands,
and all I can control is my performance and how
I am on a daily basis, and so however it
works out, it works out. I love being here, I
love the quarterback room, I love this team. I'm really
excited for the direction that I think this organization is headed.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
That's a tough situation, isn't it. I think he handled
that diplomatically. That was Sam Ellinger. Is it Ellinger or Ellinger.
I still don't know. That's a great question I've heard.
I've heard both. I've heard both. I think it's Ellinger,
That's what I've always said. But Scottie Gage of nine
News asked him, you know you want to be a basically,
would you want to stay here and be the three
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or you want a chance to be a two somewhere else.
I'm like, it's a tough spot to put a guy
in because I think everybody's answer would probably be I
want to be a backup because if the starter gets hurt,
then I play.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
That's what I want.
Speaker 7 (16:49):
But I wonder what Sean Payton wants. They took three
quarterbacks on the roster last year. Zach Wilson didn't do
anything at least as far as game purposes.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well, neither did Jared Stidham. Bow Nicks took every snap
of the season.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
But Jared Stidham was the next guy in line in
case something did happen that Wilson wouldn't have been.
Speaker 8 (17:11):
Some teams only carry two. I think the Bengals will
only carry two this year.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I think that.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
You should only carry two if you have a really
talented roster and you're trying to keep these guys at
the very edge of it, then what's the point in
keeping a third guy? And Allen Jerry thought had a
especially decent preseason, He had a decent camp.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
You know, it's really funny, I mean, especially when you
have this new emergency third quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
You know what's funny to me is the touchdown that
he threw, the go ahead touchdown late in the fourth quarter.
The amount of people on Twitter that thought that was
bo Nicks was hilarious to me because it did. It
does like his style looks a little bit like.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
He's scrambling around, he's doing a twisty twist and he's
kind of he threw it.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I mean, let's be honest here, he threw it.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Up for grabs and it just went to the right spot.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, that's kind of that's kind of what it was.
Or maybe that's all what it was.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
I don't I want to give him the benefit of
the doubt vic that he actually he's like, that's my guy,
and I'm gonna throw this into the air and he's
gonna get it, like he planned it all out that way.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
But I don't think he did all right, you know,
the third team offense. Uh, clearly they had some flashes.
But I want to talk. I need to talk about
the first team. They didn't even go to their second
string quarterback because they know he's locked, right, Jared's Didham
is locked. He's good enough, he's locked. What concern do
you guys have with the first team offense? I've won,
(18:39):
and my one.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Concern is the inability to run the football effectively.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Is now in the preseason and no point did they
display to me. Now you may have seen flashes to
me a consistent run game.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Yeah, I agree, there were no big I mean with
the first team offense, there were nothing broke. If I broke,
I mean, nothing broke out. And what nobody you know,
nobody rattled off this or that.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Here's what's funny, Zach Stevens.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
The DNVR has this the Broncos if you care about
this kind of thing. The Broncos ranking during the NFL preseason,
they were the number one offense of the preseason. They
were the number two pass offense and the number three
run offense. On defense, they were the number one defense
of the preseason, number two pass defense, number two run defense.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
So I mean, I I agree with you. Vic it
didn't like, that's.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
A team stat not the first team. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I don't care about the third team. I don't care.
That doesn't matter. I agree, third team's not playing in
the regular.
Speaker 8 (19:39):
Sam Allen jerk, Yeah, I don't care. You know, he
had a nineteen yard gainer, that kind of thing, and
you're like, Okay, what's that's pretty big. It's quarterback scrambling
out and he's a third string quarterback, and blah blah
blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I care about stuff like that. I'm think I'm not freaking.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
I just I would hope to have seen you know,
either twenty seven or thirty seven bus through some for
a couple of big gainers.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Listen, and people are going to argue, well, they didn't
have a chance. They really didn't game plan anything. It
was all vanilla. Well, what is the run game. The
run game is vanilla. The run game has blocked the
guy in front of you, make a hole and run
through that hole. That's what it is. And I just
that's my only concern. After the preseason they did not
establish a run game. Yeah, not from the first team offense.
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I'm looking at a couple of those drives. First drive
is three and now second drive, Tyler Bidet puts them
in ideal field position, takes it to midfield. On the
kick return, Boda Franklin for three yards, Voda Troutman for
two yards. Third and five, Bedegos nowhere. Again, they try
to run the ball on third and five, it goes nowhere.
They resort to a fourth down play in which bo
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hits a perfect back shoulder pass to Courtland Sutton, to
which I want to ask, where is this offense without
Courtland Sutton right now?
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah? Well, they looked in mid season form, didn't they.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Oh, they look great. That's a great chemistry between those two. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
I was just gonna say, when when guys have it Vic,
you can tell that they bear on the same day.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
He feels something with Corlin. He knows where to throw it,
how to get it to him. Again, look at the
other drives. There was just never an opportunity to get
the run game going. Even on the scoring drive. I'm
looking at my notes. Where where was there a run?
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Where was there a run of any consequence?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Well, texture makes it at least a decent point. I
don't think it. Dobbin's had to carry all preseason didn't.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
That's why I would like to have seen.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
That's why I said I would like to have seen
twenty seven or thirty seven break you out a little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Harvey.
Speaker 8 (21:47):
What the first week he had he had the one
nice touchdown run where you had the great, the great
lead by throck.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Morton that kicked the guy out and he.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Squeezed through the hole. That I mean, that looks really good, Brett.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
But again, your that was not your first that was
not your first team offensive line out there either.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Don't make the mistake of thinking that just throwing different
running backs out there make make the difference. The run
game starts up front. You gotta find a hole, you
gotta find a crevice, you gotta find a And I
didn't see those out of the first team offense. Again,
I hope it's just a hey, no big deal. And
and come the opener against Tennessee, you see some wide
open gashes. But man, there is nothing that the Broncos
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starting offense did. This is a fact, and anybody can
dispute this with me. There is no run game in
the starting offense that gives you promise. You tell me,
did you see a run game in the preseason.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I mean it wasn't great.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
No, it was non existent.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, yeah, I sure, sure, that's all. No, I think
you're right.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I'm just trying to be fair. And it's a very
reason Sean Payton left that first team offense out there.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Well again, I think he would he would have kept
him in there the fourth quarter if they didn't have
a touchdown. He's like, I'm coming away with a TV
at some point, you guys should get me one now.
I think that's a totally fair statement of maketh. And
we'll get back to this in a second. Just curious
as you guys watched the I don't know if you
did or not, but I certainly did watched the Chador
(23:19):
discourse take place live during his game. It's a really
bizarre sort of evaluation. And look into the sports psyche
of a fan. Whatever you feel like Shadoor Sanders was
heading into that draft and heading into this preseason, you
got the opportunity to justify it. What did Jeff Lagwald
(23:42):
tell us that scouts were concerned about with Shador Sanders
heading into the draft, they're.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Taking too many sacks holding onto the football.
Speaker 7 (23:49):
He said, is that a choice or something he had
to do at see you to be successful. It very
much looks like a choice. I can't remember the exact amount.
Was it something like fourteen drop in that game and
five of them resulted in sacks.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
He just refuses to get to get rid of the football.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Then now there was one play where he did escape
a whole bunch of pressure and then threw a ball
on the money and the guy dropped it who was
wide open.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That doesn't help either. But either you think Shador.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Is that guy that played in the final preseason game,
was overhyped, not that good, blah blah blah, or you
think the entire NFL is out to get Shador because
Eric Dickerson said that the other day. And then I
will admit this was weird. Did you guys see what
happened at the end of that Browns game?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
So Shit came out and replaced him with Tyler Huntley,
who got.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Tyler Huntley, who they knew they were going to cut
for some reason, gave him the final two minute warning
drive to try and win the game.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Was it like a hey, thanks for coming in, here's
a little more film that you can.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Throw to somebody.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
But why wouldn't you want to see during Because maybe
you don't made up your mind that he's going to
be on the roster.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Are going to keep four quarterbacks on a roster?
Speaker 8 (25:04):
Well, Vickla's so, Nelly just sent this to us. Scott
Proctor tweets out this is wild and he shows the
play where one of the Sanders sacks.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Four of the.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
Five offensive linemen blocking for Shador Sanders were waived by
the Browns today.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Well, that's what happens when you're playing at the end
of the final preseason.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Well, that's correct. You can say that about Joe Ellinger
or Sam Sam Ellinger as well. I mean, look at
his offensive lineman eight. But okay, I'm not first of all,
I'm not doing Ellinger Ellinger, Yeah, you.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
Gotta make a choice. You I just confused him from
bow Nicks. Yeah, here's your every quarterback. Let's combine all three.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Listen, listen, listen back to the Chad. It's almost impossible
to refine about about Shador Sanders because there are so
many ridiculous opinions find out there that it's it's my numbing,
it's dizzying, I don't know what that the hell's going on.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Here's my favorite one.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
So Shiloh his final preseason game in Tampa. He gets
ejected for throwing a punch. And look, did he start it, No,
but he the ref saw him throw a punch. You
get ejected, that's the rule. He's also the first one
to get cut after that game. And I saw this.
I did my favorite thing, moj which was read the
replies and the amounts of people that said the NFL
(26:26):
has it out for the Sanders family. And I'm like,
let's be clear about one thing. Whatever you think about Shador,
that's like a whole spectrum that you could fall on
of how good you think he is.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
I like Shiloh, thank's a good guy. He's not an
NFL player.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Hey, he's not. Whoever made that statement that the Let
me tell you something. Shiloh is in Tampa's camp as
a favorite to his father.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Yes, Shiloh is not an NFL player. Okay, he's not.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
He hits hard, he's got a good attitude, but he
is not nearly fast enough to play that position, not
good enough at covering.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Now there's a whole bunch of things that he just
can't do. Chador, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
I am like, I'm more confused about Shador Sanders than
I've ever been in my life, because you had that
first preseason game where it looks great and then whatever
the hell that thing was. And you could blame it
on offensive line if you want to. Bottom line is, guys,
when that breaks.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Throw the ball away.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
You know what it tells me, though, Brent. It tells
me that the worst case team drafted him. Any other
franchise would have had a little better approach to this.
But the fact that he's he's now playing for. I
don't even know what you call the Cleveland Browns, this
smelting pot of quarterbacks. Any franchise out there that says, oh, yeah,
it's an opportunity to keep four starting quarterbacks, none of
(27:47):
which we know is any good. It's an opportunity. What
are you doing? I don't know what is that.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
I can't think of any team in the last thirty
years or more that's kept four quarterbacks on the roster.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
That's my first of all.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
It's dumb. It's just dumb. You gotta get you should.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Every roster spot, Brett, you and I were at nauseam
talking about this on Thursday and Friday. Every single roster
spot VIC is worth its weight in gold. In the
National Football League these days. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I mean, you had fifty.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
Three dudes, but you play virtually all of them at
some point, and the difference between winning and losing could
be that one dude in that one position. So to
keep four quarterbacks where a lot of teams keep two
and then stash one guy, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
I hang it.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
I can't believe they're really going to do that.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
There have been four, I'm sorry, five teams since twenty
thirteen to carry four quarterbacks on a roster into the season.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Was one of them, the Broncos during the COVID or
what no, because they had four quarterbacks at one point
and they all got suspended for a game.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
The last team to do it was in twenty twenty one.
It's kind of a cheat. It was the Saints because
they had Taso. Some come on, so it was Taysom
come on, Jameis Winston, Trevor Simeon and Ian Book come on.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
Let me give you the other ones.
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Twenty on the twenty twenty New York Jets had Sam Darnold,
James Morgan, Joe Fleco ironically again, and Mike White.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
They wait, they carried for they had they used for.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
They carried four into the into the season. Who the
hell's James Morgan?
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Don't know?
Speaker 9 (29:25):
Is that?
Speaker 7 (29:25):
I think that's Captain Morgan. Twenty eighteen Miami Dolphins. They
had Tannehill, Rock Osweiler, Luke Falk and David Fayles.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Who the hell David fails?
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Right?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
So what did all those teams? What did all those
teams have in common?
Speaker 4 (29:41):
They stuck?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
They have been stuck. None of those quarterbacks. Yeah, were
the guys.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
There's one team that I feel like might have been good.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
Now I don't know this for sure, but the twenty
thirteen Washington football team had Kirk Cousins, Pat White, Rex Grossman,
and RG three.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
So they kept four.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
White West Virginia.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
I think that's the Pat White, It says Patrick, but
I am Pat White. Let me see, Well, I just
googled Patrick White and he's a very old man who
was an Australian novelist and a playwright.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, that's him, and also and also could throw the pig. Yes, it,
but it just goes to prove again in hindsight, the
fact that Cleveland ended up with this Chadour show makes
it even more of a show. He needed to go
somewhere that's normal, Vic, would you agree that? In college?
Speaker 8 (30:33):
And I'll go back to his previous stint, and then
at Colorado, was he the best player on the offensive
side of the football.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Of course he was? Okay, in fact, in fact, everybody
looks Travis Hunter's a Heisman Trophy winner, right right. I
can make the argument and I'll say it with my chest.
Shador Sanders was the most important player on that football
team in the last two years. So when you look
at it, it was, hey, hey, look at me. I
know Travis Hunter was the most dynamic, Yeah he was,
(31:01):
but the most important was Shediorge Sanders.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
So you guys agree, agreed. So Travis was you know,
he's a great receiver, don't get me wrong. Obviously Heisman
Trophy winner, but when he had the ball in his hand,
the offense was basically predicated on him extending plays, making
things happen. To finally get you to see what I'm saying, like,
he had to be the guy and so to try
(31:24):
to to try to coach that out of him is
probably going to take some time. But he's got tremendous
talent and so you can see that's not going to
translate the National Football League, because even the Rams backups,
they were on your bacon, like crazy, they're on you
right now. And so you've got to get rid of
the football that can be coached out of him. But
the situation with the Browns is like it's almost like
(31:45):
they're they're rooting against him inside the organization and so
and so I'm like, God, leave if that's the case.
How much if I was him, I would ask to
be released and I would want to go someplace else where. Actually,
somebody goes, you know what, We're going to coach that
out of you, and we're going to uh, we're gonna
we're gonna turn you into all.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
They asked him, they said, are.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
Are you gonna make the team, And his answer was
obviously that's what he said.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Well, you know, you gotta watch the whole thing in context.
I guarantee you this. I'm gonna say this right here.
If you gave Shador Sanders the option right now and
it's too late now, if you gave him the option,
if you had a crystal ball, he could see where
he is right now, and you said one more year
of college football, do it? You think he would? Probably? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (32:36):
Probably, Well, although this quarterback class coming up is also
going to be a very good class.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
Although I think if you told him that, he would
have thought this scenario that's playing out is so far fetched,
it would never happen.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Be like, nah, you're wrong.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Well, if you had told him back in March, and
you're not going to get drafted in the first round,
second round, third round, You're going to be one of
four quarterbacks. And here's what's gonna happen. Do you want
to go back to school and just figure it out
another year?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Give him that option and make more money.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, probably would have made more money to it. I
probably about it. We're gonna get into it later in
the show. College football kicked off this weekend and it
was glorious, glorious. I watched. I watched pretty much. I
watched three games.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Do you watch Mercer?
Speaker 3 (33:24):
I didn't watch that game, but I watched.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Time out, time out, time out, timeout quick. That's you
see Davis playing mercery. You see Davis is in the
is in the big sky against un C BRO.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Why does that matter?
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Go ag.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
Well, you see, Davis was the big rival of Sex
State back in the day, so I had a best
interest in this game. To watch the Aggies lose and
they actually beat the snot out of Mercer, right, So yeah, hey.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
So does that answer your question? Now?
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Questy questerson, No, I watched the damn football game. College
football is back. We'll get to that in a bit.
Stick around, Yeah, big pawn, where'd he go?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Nelly? Hey, guess what, guys, College football has returned. It
is back.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Got its football to cut some of that big twelve action.
Ten o'clock in the morning from Dublin, a very very
sloppy game that included I think fifteen fumbles verty sloppy start.
In fact, the first one, Kansas State holds Iowa State
two a three and out.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
They punt it to.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Dylan Edwards, who muffs it and then immediately walks off
the field.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
But do you know why an ankle problem?
Speaker 7 (34:36):
Didn't?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
He said? Do you know why he muffed it? Vic?
Do you know why the muff happened? I mean, muff's happened.
We all know that they do happen.
Speaker 8 (34:45):
The muff happens, and he gets his leg twisted up
because before the kickoff they shut off a ton of
fireworks at the stadium, and as they kicked the football
high in the air, the smoke, the smoke envelops the football.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
That's great, and it was raining.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
You're like anything else?
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Can you give me a sunglare?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah? Please?
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Can you give me a laser pointer to the eye?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Right?
Speaker 8 (35:11):
And then and then and that guy, yeah, that guy
in the far intel with the laser pointer in his
face didn't help the And I'm like, dudes, I mean,
what do we I mean, I know you're.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Excited about it.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
And then there's then there's airplanes all air Lingus I know,
was the air Lingers Bowl or whatever you want to
call it. There's airplanes all over the place, tons of airplane.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Now I know why those games exist. The entire game
was a promotion to go fly and visit Ireland's exactly
with all the commercials.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
They gave a metric ton of money for an entire
tourism campaign was and look, hey, Vic, guess what it worked.
I want to go to Ireland so bad it looks amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
I want to yes, but why does that airlines sound like?
I don't.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
I want to go to just want to take an
airplane Ireland.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I don't care which which.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Do that. Hey, let's let's get a little nasty with
our airline here, see if you can attract some customers.
All right, man, fly air.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
BJ next time.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
What you're doing? Okay, okay, listen, what is what is
going on? You watch?
Speaker 8 (36:23):
So it's it's it's derived from longus, which means fleet
or shipping in Irish.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
You ever flow, This is America. Okay, I'm trying to
give this above board here. I don't I don't know, Moser.
I really appreciate Mosler. I appreciate your explanation because you
are a cunning linguist. So thank you.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
If I'm gonna fly that was so good, you deserve
more for that. If I'm the guy not cracking the
foul jokes in everybody's ear, then this whole program has
a real problem.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Okay, because going I'm going to Asia, I'm gonna fly
reach around next time.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
No come back, come on, not even come.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
It's not even clever. You didn't even try on that one.
It's gotta be.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
A little bit coated.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Anyway, the point is there was a lot of airline. Yeah,
it is awful.
Speaker 8 (37:21):
I'm sitting in the middle of Rome and like flight
three two five from Dublin is late.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I'm like the only one who thought that. I was like,
what is going on with.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
Holy If you go around the US, you'll see that,
But on the East coast, especially Okay, and then especially
in Europe, dude, and we're flying all over Europe, right, yeah,
it's all over the place.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
You're like, hey, you can't escape it. And actually that's
enough with that point of order. I think Vic's airline
name was fantastic because if you want to reach around
at different corners of the globe's exactly just hop on
that airline exactly right. It makes total sense.
Speaker 8 (37:55):
But but but Vick, you probably don't know this, but
both of Brett's parents went to Kansas State, so there, oh,
I know this. They highly vested in the outcome of
that game.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
I watched a lot of Big Twelve football on Saturday
because I watched the Kansas game against President State. They
devowered Presno State later that day. The Big Twelve, folks,
see who was in for a tough run this year.
The Big Twelve is not easy. It's never really been easy.
But there's some ballers in that conference. And the fact
(38:25):
that Iowa State was able to overcome h K State,
and then not only that, what is with K State's
quarterbacks family members getting in a fistfight. His father, Avery
Johnson's father and brother outside the stadium fought each other,
fighting each other. Yeah, that was not good. Yeah, But
besides that, I had texted Troy.
Speaker 8 (38:47):
At t Willi and Brett early in the morning and
I said, you gotta do something about your quarterbacks hair.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
You gotta fix that.
Speaker 8 (38:55):
Agree, And not that I'm against you know, some good
flow like that, but that's middle lineback. If you want
to have some flow, you can have some flow sticking out.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
The bottom of your hot win.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
I don't think that kid's very good.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
He's not accurate.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
No, he's a he can't throw. He can't throw.
Speaker 8 (39:18):
Those first especially early on, throwing behind his receivers like
he had guys are wide open. He's throwing behind him
maybe like what football something, but he's he did that
all last year too.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
He's just he's not very talented throwing the ball.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
But got middle linebacker hair. You can't you can't have
middle linebacker hair on your running quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
That's my opinion. I'm watching his dad and his brother
fight and I'm what, what is going on? I don't
know what, And it's wet and there's a big puddle
and they just lost.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Yeah, the face down, the face is going on.
Speaker 8 (39:53):
Hold on, if you're ended up. If your team lost
and your son and brother were the quarterback and you
two end up face down in a dublin puddle outside
the stadium's bat trip, that's not a good Yeah, that's
not a good trip to Ireland. Vic arlingis is like,
we don't want you on our airline.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
How do you think caused that fight? Do you think?
I don't know, you think that the brother said something
bad about giants?
Speaker 7 (40:18):
Beer beer beer caused that fight? Bo, I'm not I'm
not entirely sure. What is really crazy, though, is we're
four days away from CU's first game. They play Friday
against Georgia Tech, which is also equally as like, oh
my god, we're here.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Well, I'm glad we could talk football this week. This
is a week we could talk football. And let me say
this about see you. In my humble opinion, this is
the worst kind of opponent they could face in the
opening game, dude, the worst, the worst kind.
Speaker 7 (40:48):
Georgia Tech is just they play an entire season not
to win a championship, to ruin somebody else's year. They
they did that like multiple times last year, Brett, they
played to run the ball right up your face. Yeah, okay,
remember they took Georgia to what eighty five overtimes in
that one game. I can't remember how many overtimes they
went to before they finally said, forget it, let's end
this thing.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
They run the ball. They run the ball. And one
of the you watched the U last season against run
heavy teams Kansas Kansas State run heavy teams, they struggled.
Speaker 4 (41:25):
So this is what they did last year.
Speaker 7 (41:27):
By the way, they beat Florida State, and I know
Florida State was terrible at the time. That like the
opening week of the season. That was a big one
because they were ranked tenth. They barely lost to Louisville
was ranked nineteenth at the time. They beat If you
guys remember they dealt Miami their first loss.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Late season, that is correct, I do remember, they sure did.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
And then they lost in eight overtimes to Georgia the
final week eight.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
I remember watching that game and then had so many
opportunities to win and clinch that game and couldn't get
it done. But that was last year. I'm just saying, Brick,
their coach, their whole system. It's designed to run the
ball and churn out yards on the ground.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
And the reason why I think it's just a tough
opponent for SeeU is because See You is trying to
rediscover what it is. It's trying to re rejuvenate a
team that we don't know what we're gonna see Friday.
You know, like, wait, do you guys have any idea? No?
Speaker 8 (42:21):
I know, we don't even know who the starting quarterback is,
do we not yet? I've been, I've been, I looked
at the weekend.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
We're both gonna play.
Speaker 7 (42:27):
I'm almost convinced to that they if they haven't said
definitively anything yet, like they're gonna use both the guys,
I think, and try them out the first come we
see You.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
It's a sold out game. Most home games now are
sold out for See You. If ce you can find
a way to beat Georgia Tech, I'm gonna tell you
right now, that's a hell of a win. That is
a quality win against a very good team at home.
And people may poo poo that, And it's ironic because
these are the two teams that shared the national championship
back in nineteen ninety one. For those long time su fans.
Speaker 11 (42:58):
Yes, yes, uh, there is a history of CU football
and it starts before two years ago. They were once
a national champion. I don't know if you if if
your history goes back that far, but these are two
teams that shared the national title in ninety one.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
They meet again Friday night.
Speaker 8 (43:18):
When he talks like that, you see his eyeballs, Yeah,
you see what happened to his eyeballs.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
You know who that's you know who that's.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
For, Nelly.
Speaker 7 (43:24):
Let's get to Let's get Brian Howe on the phone
sometime this week. He's got to have more information on
this than than most.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Absolutely all, this is going to look like I'm looking
see you didn't exist until to your Oh there's a history.
It's gonna be a chillier weekless day. It's supposed to.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
Maybe rain every single day except Friday. Has the lowest
chance of precipitation according to weather my Weather RAPP at
twenty four percent, but sandwiched all around, it looks like
rain today through Sunday, or at least a good chance
anywhere from eighty six percent today to sixty eight to
seventy two to thirty nine to thirty six. So we
(44:02):
may get some precipitation up there, Vic. The Buffs better
be able to run the football. So thanks, thanks Weather there, oh.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Up the one. Just open your big eyes.
Speaker 8 (44:12):
Oh weather and man, everybody talk about the weather man
weather em.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Give me, please, please please, Let's do another half hour
of percentages of rain possibilities for the next three weeks. Please, yeah,
with rain rain.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
I need somebody to ask Dian about the rain again.
I'm one of those good weather man.
Speaker 7 (44:33):
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Speaker 4 (44:38):
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