August 26, 2025 • 45 mins
0:00 - The Broncos waived Audric Estime yesterday. The writing was on the wall. It has been since the playoffs last year. Also, this segment goes weirdly off the rails because of a squash and a putter. But what else is new?
17:02 - The backup QB carousel spins and spins every year! Brett doesn't understand how it works. At all. How do teams assess the trade value/on-field value of a backup QB?
33:40 - What's a realistic standard to set for CU football this year? What should we expect from Prime's squad without Travis and Shedeur? How important is the result of Game 1 vs Georgia Tech this weekend?
17:02 - The backup QB carousel spins and spins every year! Brett doesn't understand how it works. At all. How do teams assess the trade value/on-field value of a backup QB?
33:40 - What's a realistic standard to set for CU football this year? What should we expect from Prime's squad without Travis and Shedeur? How important is the result of Game 1 vs Georgia Tech this weekend?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Is the touchdown for Denver.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
He weaved his way through traffic. It looked pretty solid.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
I thought we ran the ball better in the second
half per carry than.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
The first in terms of estimator fred to see it,
I said, I thought we ran the ball better. I
thought Aldrick did a good job in general.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Yeah, made the team is not up to me. It's
up to the coaching stife and it's honestly up to God.
And I feel like I did what I needed to
do to put myself in position to be on it.
But end of the day, it's Sean knows the best
of the team and I'm just being my trust and guy,
and I feel like I do what I needed to do.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That's right. Adric estimate let go yesterday. He's one of
the big names of camp. To be let go. We
felt like writing was on the wall, didn't it Like
not a surprise. We kind of noticed a trend as
camp went along that Rodrick Estimay was begetting farther and
(01:19):
farther lost in the shuffle, right.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
It seemed readily apparent as time went on, you're not
going to keep that many backs. Even yesterday we assumed, okay,
he's gone, who else will be gone? Well it turns
out it's Watson, whom I think they're going to try
to get back on the practice squad. But they've got
they've got four and Beday.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Because well, there's no doubt about it because of of.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
His I would say, ability to do different things.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Again, if you've got guys who do this, this and this,
excuse me, and then you had that Swiss army knife, Yeah,
that can kind of do this, this, this and this,
you're like, uh, okay, a little bit of everything. Okay,
that guy can be valuable in certain situations, and that's
why he's here. And plus I think they really like him,
and I think they like Watson as well. But it
(02:13):
just becomes a numbers game after a while, just a
numbers game.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's the same situation I saw with Vele It's okay,
even if you're a talented, talented player that you'd like
to keep, are you ever going to be active on
game day if everybody's healthy?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And the answer is Now, he wouldn't have been well
rest to me as much as he you know, the
alluring body type, the pounder, the guy that just pounds
the rock. He didn't do that enough to distinguish himself
from the rest of the pack, Like what does he
do that the other backs do not?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Like?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I'll be honest, MOJ. There was a guy that whether
you agreed with this or not, this is how he
was sort of classified when he played for the Avs
a while ago. That reminds me of Estimate. Estimate had
the body of somebody that you think would be a bruiser,
but it wasn't really that. I don't remember him just
(03:09):
bouncing off of tackles and needing three guys to drag
him down. It kind of reminds me remember big Z. Yeah,
the key is the door off. Yeah, he had the
body of somebody that felt like he was gonna put
you through the glass, and there have times did it.
There were times when he did, but not nearly as
much as he should have. That is correct.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Jerry Bennar always had the great quote about him, and
that is he can't be a gentle giant out there. Yeah,
he's got to play a kind of game.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That's gonna keep him here or keep him someplace.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And I mean he can blow guys up, he can
smoke dudes, he just doesn't do it. I mean he
has done it, but he just doesn't do it nearly enough.
So for Beday, it's that, Yeah, he runs more like
a smaller back. I don't want to criticize either. I'm
not damn sorry talking about Estimate. I don't want to
(04:04):
criticize him. He's gonna latch up with somebody.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
He's gonna find a team, he's gonna have find a
job someplace. But yeah, you would like to move to
a big, bruising back, that kind of thing, smoking guys.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Like you said about him here, like he doesn't look
different than the other backs. And here's what's funny. When
they're in pads. I think you notice who Estimate is,
but it's not nearly as much when he doesn't have
pets on it, you know what I'm saying. Like he
is so like thick and wide. Sure that you noticed
that the interview I saw after the last preseason game,
(04:37):
it's like his shoulders didn't fit in the TV shot.
He was that big.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, I think he has a problem of running into traffic. Yeah,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yep, like like not a lot of vision, what sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Maybe not enough down shifting, you know, the ability to
pick up. In college, it's a different game. You can
take guys with you, right, it's a different game in college.
The pro game is a step up where a linebacker
can put you down, a safety can put you down
and set you up. Yeah, so you can't do the
(05:13):
same thing. The same running style doesn't apply in the
pros as it did in college, and perhaps they saw
that early.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I do think that there is there's like a silver
lining to this with both him and Devon Vley that
kind of proves where the Broncos are at today as
opposed to last year. You had hopes that maybe estimate
with takeover as your feature back last year, right, that
he would be the guy that's the number one guy
(05:39):
on the depth chart that's getting the bulk of the carries.
You had a lot of hopes for Devon Vley that
he could be a big time piece of this team
for years moving forward. And then what happened was.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
He I guess he got hopes for that, but the
reality was that you're talking about square pegs in around
holes type of situation.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, I don't think that was the case for Vala.
I think Le worked in this. I mean he did,
but he was He's never gonna be a star bro No.
But here's what I'm getting at. Those guys were seen as,
hopefully they can be big parts of your offense moving
forward in some capacity, and the Broncos just said, neither
(06:18):
of you are good enough. Now, I think that's a
good thing that you you looked at two guys that
you're like, hey man, these guys have potential, and you're like, yeah, yeah,
but we got guys are better.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
When you're letting go of players that you can see upside,
it means that your roster is pretty damned. I'm saying, yes,
it does. And remember now they're given they still got
a lot of players to cut today, the bulk of
which will end up on the practice squad.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
The theoretic quad. Yeah, I mean theoretically. I mean, I
hope some guys don't get claimed.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Why is there a squash in the studio? Any reason
why we have this squash?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, he's a weirdy.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Are you growing squash?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Nelly? Oh?
Speaker 6 (06:59):
I I I didn't bring it in. There was some
squash in the breakroom. I think somebody brought him in
to give away, and somebody brought it in here.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I don't know why we're gonna give what We're gonna
give this squash away today.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Oh, we have something else we're gonna give away. Yeah,
but here's how we're gonna do it today.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Whoever can guess the team odric Estime ends up on
first wins this squash. I admit something to you, m M.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I've seen that in that kitchen area and now in
this studio for about a week. I had no idea
what that was.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You know, this is a squash of squash is like
a weird looking Yeah, but that's not like a real squash.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's more like a that's more like a that's more
like an alien.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Squash, which end you know what I mean. It's a
cucumber with bad skin, comber with acne.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
That's yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So again, the winner of this squash to the person
who first can predict where adric Estimate ends up.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Uh is this ready? Brett or Brett? Good lord, what
the hell is going on this morning? Because he's having
a private show in my ear, Like this is what's happening.
All Nelly's done. He's cracked five jokes in my ear.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
About the squash.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yes, Nelly, if you're not gonna called Nelly my own name, Nelly.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Yes, Steven. The keyword is ready. We could do this giveaway.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
All right, here's something we're actually giving away.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yes, a brand new No no no no no no
no no no no no, no no no no.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
We're not giving that away. We're giving this. No, we're
not giving that away. Look at this baby. I was
gonna take that.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, you can't just take everything in the studio.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I don't take anything, but I was gonna take that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, you're not taking that. Somebody took all our money.
Our money's gone my money mostly.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
This is a really cool Potter by the way, it's
really nice. I actually I with Mos. I was about
to bring in Potter and the new Odyssey putter? Is it?
If you remember Mos at the tournament on Friday, somebody
was going to win this if they sank that long putt.
Nobody ever did. Nobody did.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
What size putter is it? Can you check the length?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Uh? Yes I can. It is an Odyssey a one
cruiser double wide putter.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
What size hudder length is it? It looks pretty toll?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
No, what how how would I know? Let me let
me see it, Let me see it. I don't use
your eyes. Tell me how long is more?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Is that thirty five inches? Thirty four inches? Is it
a thirty eight thirty eight inches? Is it the kind
that's designed to anchor to your your hand, your your arm?
Is it that the pacifics? These these need to be told.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It can anchor to a part of known squad. It's
it's it's more like it. Right now.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
It feels like a Hastings putter. But you can grip
down or you can have it. It's cut that you
have a reshaft.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Okay, time out, Who cares vic It's a brand new
nice potter. That's all you gotta know. And we're giving
it away if you just text the word shank and
we're giving this squash away. Shank in your first and
last name. The three oh three five oh four oh
nine two five? What terrible?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That is terrible.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's designed like that. It's the cruisers, so design.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah, you anchor, well you're not allowed to anchor anymore,
but you can anchor it on your arms. Finish this
thing while you guys, Hey, what moron uses the word
shank when given away.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
A golf tool. It's a golf term.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You don't say that term shank in your first and
last name.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You don't say that.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Some of us spoke. Some of us aren't mentally weak
like you, Vic, where we don't get we don't cringe
when we hear a word. So text shank in your
first and last name to three oh three five oh
four five Stop it? People stop saying going, because man,
can I finish this?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Good Lord?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
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Speaker 6 (11:11):
I think Ramos Law needs to help the car accident
that has been this opening segment of the show.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I agree, my word. Everybody's texting you to try to
win this stupid squash. What are you doing? People?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
You trust me what I tell you. You don't want this squash.
It's been handled by numerous people. In fact, VIC right
now is handling it and fondeling it. You don't want this, squash,
He'll stop it. Squash, We'll see where Estimated's up.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You don't want it.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
There's gonna be a team that I guarantee you he's
gonna have one of those games and this is going
to happen, so be prepared for it. He's gonna have
one of those games where he's just rumbling and rumbling
and he's gonna have one hundred and twenty yards. You're
gon go God, you know, why didn't that happen here?
Sometimes people need to be challenged like that.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I'll make you a bet.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
You know, people need to be challenged like I go
back to Chauncey Phillips. Chauncey phillips first tour of duty
wasn't good. Then he got challenged and then he had
to turn it up a notch and he became and
he became a champion, he became a Hall of Famer. Yeah,
I'm not saying that's gonna happen with this guy. I'm
just saying you need to be challenged early at times.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Let me let me make you a bet. Oudrich Estimate
will not rush for one hundred yards in his career
in a single.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
In a single game. I'll make that bet with you,
all right, what do you want to bet? I'm holding it.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So am I. It's happening this morning. I don't know
what's happening. He comes in, he grabs the squash, and
the whole show goes off the rails. I'll tell you
what the second happened was when Vic said, what's the
length of the potter? Like, I'm supposed to eyeball this
thing and just know it by heart. Brough there's a
sticker on the front of the grip.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Usually stickers give that away. Don't care.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's because he didn't know.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Don't care. How many more cuts did the Broncos need
to make twenty twenty?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah it's up there. Yeah, okay, they got quite a
few laughs.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So so they could still throw a couple guys on
the injured reserve if they need be. They've got sixteen
that go to the practice squad.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, I think the way the rule works, you can
only designate two guys for IR to return at this point,
and then you can do some roster gymnastics, like a
lot of times, what guys do, what teams do? They'll
go to somebody and be like, we're gonna cut you,
don't do a damn thing. It's the guys that don't
need to go through waivers anymore, the veterans. We're gonna
cut you, don't do anything. We'll bring it right back,
(13:26):
but we need to get this fifty three man roster set.
Then we'll do the short term ir on other guys
and bring you back. So a lot of gymnastic, Yeah, kind.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Of a complicated situation, a lot of jumping around, a
lot of agreements behind the door.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You know, it's a lot of to put it up up.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Uh, some guys will like, screw you. I'll find a
job someplace else, and maybe they will. I don't know
where Estimate is going to end up, Vic, there are
plenty of teams that could use a running back either way.
Even if it's not today or tomorrow, he's gonna find
a job before week two ends.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I can promise you that there's another name. By the way,
if if of note, I'll say yesterday that was cut
as well. And that was to Mary Mathis, who they
were trying to find a trade partner for and I
guess couldn't find one. So he ends up being released.
You guys, remember he actually goes in the same category
we were just talking about with Vele and arodric estime.
(14:18):
Marie Mathis was attempted to be your starting corner opposite
of Cirtan a couple of years ago. Remember that was
twenty twenty I think his rookie year. I think twenty
twenty three is what I think it was. Two years ago, well, he.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Was twenty two and then twenty three. He kind of
got replaced mid season and played the first few weeks
and it didn't go well, and then they never really
went back to him. But he tried to work his
way back in that cornerback rotation and just never really stuck.
But again, another guy that you had high hopes for
that You're like, we're good, Sorry, moving on, but yes,
(14:53):
there's still a lot of cuts to go.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
What are you still holding that straight up in the air?
Broadcasting for the back is in Shanker Studios, Serious lawyers
with seriously injured. In forty five minutes, Adam Schefter will
make his return to the airwaves with us.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It's got on his feet right now. I'm sure he's
furiously typing away cuts.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Oh yeah, has been all morning.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Hey, I wonder if he wants this squash.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Right, So Eugene types in from the nine oh seven
to one, Eugene, we'll call you Eugene. So I said, look,
don't don't try to guess this.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
You don't want this squash. And so people are putting.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Eugene is pushing back, Moser, don't tell me how to
live my life.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Sucka. Yeah, so I guess it. Look, Eugene, I know
it's best for you at this particular moment, not in
anything else in life, but this. You don't want this squash.
You don't want vic grubby hands that have been all
over you don't want it.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Actually, this is a great lesson. If you interrupt a
segment with tom foolery, as Moser usually does, the penalty
for interrupting and Steve will be the judge and jury here,
the penalty is you have to hold the squash for
an entire segment upright like this? Okay? Is that is
(16:14):
that fair?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Is that a?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Is that a good penalty?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Sure? That means I'm shutting up for the rest of
the day, No, sir, enjoy yourselves.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, if you if you have a great show boys,
if you do something dumb to ruin a segment. You
hold the squash up, you hold it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I think you deserve to hold it for two segments.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No, this is just a great example of how we're
going to start policing this show. A programming note. I
just said. Schefter is joining us at eight o'clock.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
He's pushed to nine already nine o'clock, so he's so
he's he's being fast and furious right now with the
with the release.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Maybe something BIG's about to happen. Who knows.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
He told me that he got his wires cross, so
he will be on first take, and then after first take,
we'll be at second take at nine am.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Oh, second take at o'clock. All that second take, All right,
stay tuned, stay around, go if you clean to time,
bab most you're gonna tell you something. Yeah, thirty eight special,
you won my favorite banch era. I love thirty eighty
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Speaker 2 (17:15):
Nelly, you want that squash, don't you?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I you know what.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I don't want the squash, but I'd like the beginning
of that because one more stands and you get the
squ Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
The opening riff is so good, though, Nellie, can you
go back now?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
No, no, you will hold the squash and Nelly don't
indulge the addict.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
But if I if I played the intro and it
makes him hold the squash, no it worth it.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's got hold the entire segment. Trust me.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
So there was an interesting move yesterday, and I have
a question for Adam Schefro now joined us at nine
o'clock this morning about this. The Browns who were fully
prepared to carry four quarterbacks into the season and ended
up trading Kenny Pickett to the Raiders. Ad and O'Connell
is out six to eight weeks. Here's my question. Do
you think that was the Raiders preference or was that
(18:08):
the option the Raiders were given?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
What I mean, what do you mean the preference?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Do you think they would have looked for Gabriel or
Shodoor instead and the Browns going, no, we want those guys,
but we can give you pick It.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I think that, if I'm not mistaken, Pete Carroll said
over the weekend that they would prefer a veteran, a
guy who's been around.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
It didn't say that, yeah, yeah, so that would that
would rule out the two rookies. But I RAPAPORTISCUSLT just
released from the Bills. You're kidding. So he can't find
he can't find a spot.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
He never Man, you talk about a great collegiate player
that never really took it to the next level.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
God, he was fun to watch though.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
He was an amazing all purpose player for the Colorado Buffaloes.
I mean when they needed a first down they went
to Leviskaschenault. He was always the guy.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
They put in my quarterback. You're like, get the ball
and just go right up.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
They ran that wildcat with him and said go get
the first down, and he just didn't translate. You could
tell from early on it just did not translate.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I don't know why. So Chanel let go from the
Bills and he is back on the market now.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I mean he went Jags, the Panthers, to Seattle, to
the Chargers to the Bills.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Wow. But most when it comes I get that that
they want a veteran to back up Geno Smith. Somebody's
gotta explain this to me because I don't understand it.
Values of backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Kenny Pickett has
(19:37):
been bad, has he not? Like he was a first
round pick that didn't last two years in the place
that drafted him. He's now been traded three times in
five years. What makes him desirable?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
That's a great question. Perhaps if you need him as
a spot starter, just a spot starter here in there.
Because but he's bad. I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
You know that. Yeah, he's nobody's long term answer at all.
But he's a guy. But he's bad.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
But why But he's been somewhat serviceable at times. And
if you need a guy to be somewhat serviceable, predictable,
I suppose that's the guy.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
But look, look if either rookie, if you're talking to
the Browns, but hang on, hang on motion. Here's what
I'm saying. Gino Smith goes down with an injury, the
Raiders are dead. Why not be dead with somebody who
might be better than him? Well? Do you try somebody else?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Smith? How do you know those other two that you
mentioned are better than him?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
You I don't know. I don't. But here's the thing
that I know what Kenny Pickett is. Yeah, I don't
know what they are, you know what I mean? Like,
why not take the if you're gonna lose anyway? Like
does Pete Carroll think that Geno Smith if he goes
down for five weeks or eight weeks. Don't worry, Kenny
(21:11):
Pickett's gonna take us six to two, you know, like
that's not happening. But he's traded. Remember how we were
shocked that Devon Valley got a fourth? Von Valley is
gonna play? Can you pick Itt got traded for a
fifth and you're hoping he never sees the field ever.
(21:31):
You know, Jared Stidham is getting five million dollars a year.
He's attempted one hundred and ninety seven passes in five years. Like,
just the value of backup quarterbacks is something I just
I don't I don't totally understand. I actually really understand them.
For if you have a viable backup and you're a
contending team in the NFL, I get that because if
your starter goes out for a couple of weeks, you
(21:53):
don't want that to ruin a playoff chance, right, so
you'll invest in the I don't know Carson Wentz type
as a backup quarterback, be like, you know what, if
I have him as my backup here, we should be Okay,
that's exactly what Minnesota just did, Yes, exactly. But Pickett
stinks like he's just not good good for the Broncos. Well,
(22:17):
would you rather wound a second? Mitchie? Trubisky keeps finding jobs.
There's a lot of guys, Jacobe Brissett finds John a
lot of guys. Would you rather? Would you rather have
Kenny Pickett or Jared did?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Jared's did it? Especially the way he shined in this preseason.
I think the jury is it's done. Yes, thank you,
We'll take Stidham.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I just I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Which I again, if the Raiders, in my mind the
way that I'm thinking, want to mess.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
This up, then go ahead and mess this up, and
you're forgetting one key aspect here. Aid and O'Connell will
be back in four to eight weeks and when he returns, goodbye.
Can he pick It's just a temporary fix. It's just
a patch, that's all. This is.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
One rounder for like a six weeks.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Are we sure?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
And I'm quite frankly I don't give a rats rip
and listen affects the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
No, but reason is a mentality across the league that
I just don't get. Well, you don't have to get it.
Are we sure that Aidan O'Connell's better than Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I take him over Kenny Pikett.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
What the hell has ain't O'Connell done you?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
You could put down a list of at least twenty
backup quarterbacks who've circulated around the league that are all
eh meh. I mean, you know what I'm saying. Really well,
that's where it's a great job if you can get it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
My whole thought process towards this is, instead of taking
the guy I know is bad, why don't I take
a younger guy that's maybe not played and just see if.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
They don't have time to catch him up.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
You don't have time.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You don't have time for that. You're you're now in season,
You're now that the season is going week three. You
don't have time to get a young, unproven player up
to speed. You want somebody who's been in the league
that can sort of handle that.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
They're basically the same guy, Aide o'connelly, County picket. They're
the same dude, same dude.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, Aid O'Connell never did that though, didn't play it again, Nelly,
what do you do?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Picket hands? He never did that. The ball got stuck.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
He attempted to throw and then did a front flip
without actually throwing the ball. I don't think that's ever
happened without being touched, by the way.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
But I'm looking at their stats completion percentage, touch down
to interception ratio. I guess O'Connell's a little a little
bit better. Their rating is about this exact same.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
So I'll give you I just out of curiosity motion,
I looked this up and just said best back up
quarterbacks in the league. CBS Sports has the top ten
heading into this year. I'll tell you what it is,
top ten backup quarterbackup quarter in the league. Yes, at
number ten, they have Tyson Baigent, the Bears.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Kid, who, by the way, did you see how emotional
he got when he signed his contract? Oh? Yeah, God,
that was cool to see. Was this cool?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Did his old man go and uh arm whistle?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Somebody, dude, you gotta go back and look at this
press conference.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It was really hard crying.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yes, very emotional.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Number nine Trey Lance.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I disagree with that. I think I did too. I mean,
why why is Trey Lance? Is just a name? But
what has he done?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
He's done nothing, but he's still so young. Number eight
is Jackson Darky.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Again unproven, but that's fine if you want to throw
improven guys on there. Number seven steady, yep, I knew
he'd make the top ten. Number six is Anthony Richardson.
Number five is Malik Willis in Green Bay. Okay, God,
this is a bad list.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Number four is Tanner McKee in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
What the hell is going on with this list?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Number three is Carson Wentzon in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Finally, Number two is Jimmy g Rams. Number one is
Kirk Cousins for Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
That's a bad list.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Here's what I don't get. Why isn't Jamis on here?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
He's not Jamis is a three right now? I would
take Marcus Mariota, who's the backup in Washington, over like
the first six guys we named him that list.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I don't like this list. Jacoby Brissetts better than three
of those names on that list.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Agreed, who's the kid the backup in Cincy? Browne? Remember,
played pretty well when he was in for Burrow.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Take that list.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
That's stupid, lest bad list, bad list, CBS taking the
squash the squash. He just brought up the dumbest list
in America. I'm not holding it. This is CBS's fault.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That's a bad list.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I gotta put it on my computer.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Put on the computer. CBS is whole. That's entire segment.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I'm not doing that with that's next question.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh, by the way, Coach Prime speaks today, Today's Coach
Prime Day ten fifteen, three days.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Well, I know, yeah, I know he speaks. I hope
this is the who's starting quarterback stuff? Why do I
get so fascinated by that? Because I think both guys
are going to play.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Why do you get fascinated on who's starting a quarterback
because it's a big deal. Well, I guess, but I
mean both guys are going to play.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I'm more concerned. I'm not worried about who's starting a quarterback.
I don't know what style of football they're playing, Like
we knew what they were last two years, Like I
knew what what you were going to see? Like what
are they what are we going to see?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I would go as far as to say this, VIC,
I think they need to look different, like from like
run the ball. Yes, they new clock. Let me give
you what I believe Scrammatically, it's I don't think anybody's
ever suggested this before, but I think I just came
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up with something brilliant. Guys, ready, I'm ready. I think
the Buffs, if they want to be a good football team,
need to run the ball and stop the run a
lot better.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Oh man, Yeah, I know why.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I don't think anybody's ever thought of that concept before.
But if they do that, I think there'll be a
much better football team.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Well, they're gonna have their hands full against the Georgia
Tech team that does run the ball, and run the
ball well and choose up clock and has very long
possessions series. Yeah, you know, this is their kryptonite. Again,
you don't want to mess with the team like this.
If they get the ball, they're gonna hold the ball.
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That's the biggest storyline for me. The story isn't who
starting a quarterback, because it's what's that quarterback going to
do this? This isn't Shador Sanders throwing it left and
right like we've seen the last two years. I don't
expect to see that, do you, guys?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I really haven't. I really think I really we've got
is my witness? I really have no idea? Look, I
really so I will find out Friday night.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Here do me a favor, Do me a favor.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Hold on to this for a few minutes, because I
get a lot of questions about CEU that I want
to get to. Okay, at seven forty five again, Adam
Schefter is gonna join us at nine o'clock this morning.
There is one thing that happened yesterday that I'm wholly
confused by. It felt like the biggest waste of time,
I think in training camp history. So there's a guy
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by the name of Desmond Watson. Oh yeah, he's a
he's a big guy. He was with the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers kind of if you remember vic, Desmond Watson was
the six foot five, four hundred and fifty pound defensive
tackle out of Florida that was not allowed to practice
because he was quote out of shape. So he walked
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around with a towel around his neck for three months
at Tampa Bay's training camp, and then they caught him yesterday.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Trying to shed weight. Was that what the intent was?
Speaker 4 (30:04):
What?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
What was he doing there?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
That's what I'm asking. It felt like the most pointless
camp body ever right most Like he didn't he didn't
take a single practice nap because he was out of shape,
and I'm like, you signed a man that was four
hundred and fifty pounds. What did they expect him to do? Well? He?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I guess he had a really great pro day, okay,
and I mean he bench pressed like crazy. He ran
the forty yard dash in under six seconds for a
four hundred and sixty pound guy. He could jump, He's
kind of like the fridge. You could jump really high.
But they needed him to slim down and he just
never either caught or did. And so what he did
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is he walked around in pads with a towel around
his neck, kind of mo opened the whole camp.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
It was crazy. But the if you want a chihuahua,
then why did you get a great day? I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
An outside chance he could give them a look that
they like. He never produced it, but they did.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
He never got down in a three point stance once.
He just walked around the field. That's all he did,
which I'm again I asked, what was the point in
all of that other than like it felt like it
was just a public shaming every day of that.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
He was an undrafted free agent, so it's not like
they wasted a pick on him. But yeah, I mean
I think the guy himself. Look, I don't know. I
don't know how you don't slim down to have a
National Football League career.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I don't know they have. I mean, how many nutritionists
would you guess they have on staff with Tampa?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
They have a lot. But you know what, it's not
as easy as it looks to the probably gain probably right,
it's not that easy. I can't gain weight, can't do it. Tried, tried,
Everything won't happen. Ain't happening.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
It's been a weekend on the immogi. We'll put a
couple of pounds on you.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Do you know where I eat?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well, that's what I'm saying, right, you can't.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Is food an issue for me of actually eating food?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Do you know where I eat every day?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Your mom? Okay?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Do you know how much he cooks?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah? A lot?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Okay, so it is food the problem.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Well again, me and mos can start dipping into some more.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
There are those no, there are those who can't lose,
and there are those who can't gain, and that's just it.
And then there are those who are up and down
all over the place.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Vick, I'm telling you, do you want to gain weight.
Give me a month. Every weekend you go to the
same place as I go to, which start drinking beers.
See how quick that you put on weight? Then, but
his tummy, the bubbles will hurt his tummy. Somebody told me.
Uh so it was a guy who was a bartender,
but he is also a personal trainer. Very odd back
and forth. He said, every beer you drink is like
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eating a sandwich. And I go, I've had eight sandwiches today. Yeah,
and I mean giving He was like the caloric intake
with all like all the stuff that's in beer is
like eating a sandwich. Yeah, huh. And I said, can
I have a ninth sandwich? Because I'm not quite done yet?
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Three h three five four nine two five. So I
do want to get to see you. Here's my question.
Go back to the first couple of years of Dion's tenure,
Game one and ask yourself this, how much did the
results of the first game actually mean? Because we're gearing
up for this Georgia Tech game because it's going it
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should be a good one. How much did the first
game affect the way that we thought about the rest
of the year. We'll get to it next, all right,
As you got to get down to a fifty three
man roster by two o'clock today. Some cuts, Mike Cliss says,
the Broncos have waived offensive lineman Willis Sherman, the former Buff,
so he did a little bit of tackle and guard.
(33:54):
Sort of a versatile offensive lineman. Hopefully somebody that maybe
comes back to a practice squad if not picked up elsewhere.
Uh and and chocking news, the Browns have released Deontay Johnson.
How many guys are gonna try and pick that guy
up just to cut him? Great point, it's happening over over,
(34:15):
over and over again. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Did you see the Raiders are bringing back Marik Cooper?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I did? That's okay, And that came right after. Did
you guys see the Jacoby Myers trade request yesterday? Yeah?
Jacoby Myers a good player. Yeah, I don't think that's
if I'm a Raiders fan, I'm like, so we brought
back Mari Cooper, who looks like he can't really play anymore,
right after our good wide receiver requested to trade. I
don't like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Weird happenings. Yeah, in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Nobody feels happy there ever, Why is that? I don't
know Max Crosby basically was begging to get out of there,
and then they said, here's a Brinks truck full of money.
All right, I'm happy again. Cool.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well, it's one of the franchises. Can I tell you who?
It's owned by a guy who's made the money on
the franchise. They don't have an alternative form of income. Yeah,
like that is you know what I'm saying. Mark Davis
has never really had a job. I mean, look at
the franchises that are owned by owners who simply make
money off the franchise and that's it. Cincinnati, Yeah, Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
They can't reach in something Walmart, well, they always.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Have the capability, they don't have access to that that
funnel of cash. They just don't.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Get more into this with Adam Schefter later, I.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Guess that's the If that's the case, Vig, then why
did Tom Brady want a piece of that? Because it's
if they're gonna be a poverty Because he could buy it,
because he actually have.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
A piece, because he can buy a NFL owner.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, because he could buy it because it's available. Because
Mark Davis says, hey I need some any.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
A tiny piece. It's a small piece and you get some.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Credibility with him.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh still though, mo, Derek Jeter bought a piece of
the Marlins. Like, it's like if you if you're capable
of being a part owner, you know what your money
is going to do, make more of it.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Don't you want a piece?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Well, I'd love a piece. God, I would love a piece.
I just want just a piece, please.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
You could buy a piece of the Packers.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
No, that is the biggest rule. It's such a going
by the way.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I just have to say this, and I'm not going
to get into detail. I went somewhere last week and
there's a bunch of Packers fans and they saw my
name and they went gaga, thinking I am no relation
whatsoever to Vince Lombardi. None, but the mistake was made.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Look wherever you were at and did you sell it?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Did you sell? I would have sold it? It is crazy? Yea,
how crazy they get?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Like are you related to vinceland Bardy be like, oh
you're talking about pop up?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But how do you know that you're not related?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I mean you could be zero relation.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I've had no relations with that man. No relationship. Okay,
my parents are off the boat.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Yeah, I understand that, but maybe from the old country.
You never know, the DNA might be swimming in there.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I can't believe Mosure passed the opportunity for a Clinton
that he tedd you of no, and he just didn't
take it anyway. I have a question about seeing you
their first game. Next question, go back to the last
couple of years. Do you guys remember the first game
from last year?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
All right, hold on, let me don't look up, don't
look at yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. North Dakota State.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Nds US And it wasn't down to the wire.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
It wasn't easy.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I was at that game.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
How do I not remember that game?
Speaker 4 (37:54):
I thought you were going back two years ago because
I remember the TCU game very clearly.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yes, well, both of these for different reasons. Here's what
I'm getting at. So see you last year had this
really tough opening game against North Dakota State that we
all said, like, North Dakota State's a very very good
football team. Gotta be a little careful with them. They
have beaten people up week one in upsets multiple times
(38:18):
in the past. So they eke out that win. The
next week they do what.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
They win.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
No, they lost to Nebraska. Remember, no, I'm twenty eight
to ten. I guess I'm locked on twenty twenty three
because they couldn't. They couldn't, I understand most because.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
They beat TCU, they beat Nebraska, they beat Colorado State,
and then things with the crap.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Nebraska sack Shadour like six or seven times during that game.
They had no running game going, they couldn't do much
of anything, and Nebraska was up twenty eight to nothing
at half.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Right, I'm gonna look now because now I'm stuck on
twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Here's the point. A really bad start to last year.
Eke out of winn against North Dakota, get you bucks
kicked by Nebraska. All and all, you had a pretty
damn good year last year. You were at the very
end of the season fighting for a big twelve championship appearance.
You go back to the year one under Dion, they
have the amazing upset of TCU. They follow that up
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with the Nebraska win, right, and then we're thinking that
was the shootout against the Rams, Well, maybe this team's
gonna be great. And then they lost like seven in
a zero or something like that after the.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Rams, which is why Georgia Tech scares me. Take a
look at that schedule last year.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
But here's here's my point, just real quick, Vic, are
we allowed to have a takeaway from the Georgia Tech game,
good or bad? Considering what we've seen the last two
years that they've flipped after the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, Like last year, they had an awful start to
the year, but it was a pretty good year overall.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
If anything, I am more willing to give this version
of the Buffs a longer leash simply because they lost
two key players, one of which is a quarterback whose
jersey's been retired. Yeah, so if you don't have that established,
don't you automatically get a longer leash.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Well, we've talked about this, Vic, because you think that
you would. But he's being paid ten million dollars a year.
He's amongst the highest paid coaches in the entire genre
of college football. And that being said, Vic, these other
teams in other conferences lose great players every single year,
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and you know what they do. They reload and they're
ranked in the top ten. So I think the expectations
should be that they should not drop off that much. Man,
if he's getting talent in there and he surrounded himself
with good people and he's being paid ten million per
you're not reverting back to six wins.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Bro, It's not happening. I understand the chasm between these
two schools from a football perspective, but Ryan Day doesn't
get a leash because Will Howard's not on the team anymore.
You know what I mean? Now, would you say this mosch,
does Boise State get a little bit longer leashed with
no more ashing genty? Absolutely? Well?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Are you comparing yourself the Boise State or you want
to compare yourself to the big dogs.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I'd like to for ten million bucks a year, I'd
like to compare myself to the big dogs.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
You know. I want to say that. It's funny you
bring that up. Notre Dame is about to play Miami Sunday,
and I have no idea what to expect from Notre
Dame with a new quarterback CJ. Carr, a freshman taking
over for Riley Leonard, a season veteran. I have no
idea what to expect. And you talk about leashes, That
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leash will last about as long as the first two
minutes off the class and they'll be like, let's go
yep like that.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
It's just that's what college football is. I don't think
you can talk about roster turnover anymore. Everybody has it.
Do you have a line on that game?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Do you have a line. I know nothing about that game.
I know that Carson Beck is playing for Miami and CJ.
Carr's quarterback. He noted. So that's the stories. Teams hate.
These teams hate each other immensely. They've hated each other
for history. That's that's the story I hate. Let me
say this, Catholics versus Convicts. If they're if they're are
Miami grads, and I know many in town, I hate
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you so much. Okay, I hate Miami football more than
I hate any program in the country.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Lakers college football. I'm talking what are they ranked though against?
Like Lakers, Chiefs, Raiders.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Oh, back in my college days there have been number one,
and right now now you're drumming up some old days.
I hate Miami football. Jimmy Michael Irvin, that era, I
hate him. I hate him with a passion. I hate
him so much. I hate you, Steve Walsh, that era.
Everything about you and that hate is respect, by the way,
(42:38):
because I also respect you. I respect the hell out
of what they did for all those years.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
The point is they lost the number one pick in
the National Football League draft and cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
And what do they do? They just go get Carson Beck.
He leaves Georgia to go to Miami for a lot
of money. Not much of a bet guy.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Well, yeah, I mean neither.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
They obviously thought enough of him to pay him a
lot of cash. We could go over there. The point
is Miami's ranked tenth. They lost the number, they lost the.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Best player in the drafts Ward, Yeah, I mean so
so and the ranked tenth, I mean so what should
our expectations been?
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Lying in that game?
Speaker 4 (43:15):
But uh irish minus two and a half on the road,
will you come in six six versus ten?
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Six? At ten?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
By the way, this this weekend, there are so many
dang good football games college football games this weekend.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Phoenix three or three rights vic. The entire country hates
a Notre dame. I don't care. You hate them all
you want? You want to be them, though, don't you thought?
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Another update from roster cuts. Every year you get this
Broncs waiving Michael.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Bandy for him.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, just the squad grinder, training camp grinder. He's there
every year, every single single year. So Michael Bandy is
the latest. Uh again, Nelly, can you look up how
many guys have been cut in total? Because I want
to see how many more the Broncos gotta like go
to get to fifty three. But it's got to be
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I think you mentioned Vico's. It's probably around it's still
twenty twenty, Yeah, somewhere in that ballpark. But did anybody
even think that Bandy had a shot. No, I don't
want to. I don't want to poop po He's he's
a small little guy. He's not. I don't know. Look,
I've said this before, like it's a very being the
(44:43):
guy who's on the on the practice squad and training
camp invite every year is not a bad gig. Motion,
it's not. It's not a bad gig.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yes, but it's also an.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
NFL wide receiver at the fifty three man level.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
But but it's also reality, especially with this team.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
This tiam traded Veley because they didn't have room. I mean,
all of these guys, whether you're Walking Davis or anybody else, Yeah,
you're you're gonna have a really tough time making this roster.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Is the touchdown for Denver.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
He weaved his way through traffic. It looked pretty solid.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
I thought we ran the ball better in the second
half per carry than.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
The first in terms of estimator fred to see it,
I said, I thought we ran the ball better. I
thought Aldrick did a good job in general.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Yeah, made the team is not up to me. It's
up to the coaching stife and it's honestly up to God.
And I feel like I did what I needed to
do to put myself in position to be on it.
But end of the day, it's Sean knows the best
of the team and I'm just being my trust and guy,
and I feel like I do what I needed to do.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That's right. Adric estimate let go yesterday. He's one of
the big names of camp. To be let go. We
felt like writing was on the wall, didn't it Like
not a surprise. We kind of noticed a trend as
camp went along that Rodrick Estimay was begetting farther and
(01:19):
farther lost in the shuffle, right.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
It seemed readily apparent as time went on, you're not
going to keep that many backs. Even yesterday we assumed, okay,
he's gone, who else will be gone? Well it turns
out it's Watson, whom I think they're going to try
to get back on the practice squad. But they've got
they've got four and Beday.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Because well, there's no doubt about it because of of.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
His I would say, ability to do different things.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Again, if you've got guys who do this, this and this,
excuse me, and then you had that Swiss army knife, Yeah,
that can kind of do this, this, this and this,
you're like, uh, okay, a little bit of everything. Okay,
that guy can be valuable in certain situations, and that's
why he's here. And plus I think they really like him,
and I think they like Watson as well. But it
(02:13):
just becomes a numbers game after a while, just a
numbers game.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's the same situation I saw with Vele It's okay,
even if you're a talented, talented player that you'd like
to keep, are you ever going to be active on
game day if everybody's healthy?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And the answer is Now, he wouldn't have been well
rest to me as much as he you know, the
alluring body type, the pounder, the guy that just pounds
the rock. He didn't do that enough to distinguish himself
from the rest of the pack, Like what does he
do that the other backs do not?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Like?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I'll be honest, MOJ. There was a guy that whether
you agreed with this or not, this is how he
was sort of classified when he played for the Avs
a while ago. That reminds me of Estimate. Estimate had
the body of somebody that you think would be a bruiser,
but it wasn't really that. I don't remember him just
(03:09):
bouncing off of tackles and needing three guys to drag
him down. It kind of reminds me remember big Z. Yeah,
the key is the door off. Yeah, he had the
body of somebody that felt like he was gonna put
you through the glass, and there have times did it.
There were times when he did, but not nearly as
much as he should have. That is correct.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Jerry Bennar always had the great quote about him, and
that is he can't be a gentle giant out there. Yeah,
he's got to play a kind of game.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That's gonna keep him here or keep him someplace.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And I mean he can blow guys up, he can
smoke dudes, he just doesn't do it. I mean he
has done it, but he just doesn't do it nearly enough.
So for Beday, it's that, Yeah, he runs more like
a smaller back. I don't want to criticize either. I'm
not damn sorry talking about Estimate. I don't want to
(04:04):
criticize him. He's gonna latch up with somebody.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
He's gonna find a team, he's gonna have find a
job someplace. But yeah, you would like to move to
a big, bruising back, that kind of thing, smoking guys.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Like you said about him here, like he doesn't look
different than the other backs. And here's what's funny. When
they're in pads. I think you notice who Estimate is,
but it's not nearly as much when he doesn't have
pets on it, you know what I'm saying. Like he
is so like thick and wide. Sure that you noticed
that the interview I saw after the last preseason game,
(04:37):
it's like his shoulders didn't fit in the TV shot.
He was that big.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, I think he has a problem of running into traffic. Yeah,
if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yep, like like not a lot of vision, what sort
of thing.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Maybe not enough down shifting, you know, the ability to
pick up. In college, it's a different game. You can
take guys with you, right, it's a different game in college.
The pro game is a step up where a linebacker
can put you down, a safety can put you down
and set you up. Yeah, so you can't do the
(05:13):
same thing. The same running style doesn't apply in the
pros as it did in college, and perhaps they saw
that early.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I do think that there is there's like a silver
lining to this with both him and Devon Vley that
kind of proves where the Broncos are at today as
opposed to last year. You had hopes that maybe estimate
with takeover as your feature back last year, right, that
he would be the guy that's the number one guy
(05:39):
on the depth chart that's getting the bulk of the carries.
You had a lot of hopes for Devon Vley that
he could be a big time piece of this team
for years moving forward. And then what happened was.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
He I guess he got hopes for that, but the
reality was that you're talking about square pegs in around
holes type of situation.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, I don't think that was the case for Vala.
I think Le worked in this. I mean he did,
but he was He's never gonna be a star bro No.
But here's what I'm getting at. Those guys were seen as,
hopefully they can be big parts of your offense moving
forward in some capacity, and the Broncos just said, neither
(06:18):
of you are good enough. Now, I think that's a
good thing that you you looked at two guys that
you're like, hey man, these guys have potential, and you're like, yeah, yeah,
but we got guys are better.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
When you're letting go of players that you can see upside,
it means that your roster is pretty damned. I'm saying, yes,
it does. And remember now they're given they still got
a lot of players to cut today, the bulk of
which will end up on the practice squad.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
The theoretic quad. Yeah, I mean theoretically. I mean, I
hope some guys don't get claimed.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Why is there a squash in the studio? Any reason
why we have this squash?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, he's a weirdy.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Are you growing squash?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Nelly? Oh?
Speaker 6 (06:59):
I I I didn't bring it in. There was some
squash in the breakroom. I think somebody brought him in
to give away, and somebody brought it in here.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I don't know why we're gonna give what We're gonna
give this squash away today.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Oh, we have something else we're gonna give away. Yeah,
but here's how we're gonna do it today.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Whoever can guess the team odric Estime ends up on
first wins this squash. I admit something to you, m M.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I've seen that in that kitchen area and now in
this studio for about a week. I had no idea
what that was.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You know, this is a squash of squash is like
a weird looking Yeah, but that's not like a real squash.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That's more like a that's more like a that's more
like an alien.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Squash, which end you know what I mean. It's a
cucumber with bad skin, comber with acne.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
That's yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So again, the winner of this squash to the person
who first can predict where adric Estimate ends up.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Uh is this ready? Brett or Brett? Good lord, what
the hell is going on this morning? Because he's having
a private show in my ear, Like this is what's happening.
All Nelly's done. He's cracked five jokes in my ear.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
About the squash.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yes, Nelly, if you're not gonna called Nelly my own name, Nelly.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Yes, Steven. The keyword is ready. We could do this giveaway.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
All right, here's something we're actually giving away.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yes, a brand new No no no no no no
no no no no no, no no no no.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
We're not giving that away. We're giving this. No, we're
not giving that away. Look at this baby. I was
gonna take that.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Well, you can't just take everything in the studio.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
I don't take anything, but I was gonna take that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, you're not taking that. Somebody took all our money.
Our money's gone my money mostly.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
This is a really cool Potter by the way, it's
really nice. I actually I with Mos. I was about
to bring in Potter and the new Odyssey putter? Is it?
If you remember Mos at the tournament on Friday, somebody
was going to win this if they sank that long putt.
Nobody ever did. Nobody did.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
What size putter is it? Can you check the length?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Uh? Yes I can. It is an Odyssey a one
cruiser double wide putter.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
What size hudder length is it? It looks pretty toll?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
No, what how how would I know? Let me let
me see it, Let me see it. I don't use
your eyes. Tell me how long is more?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Is that thirty five inches? Thirty four inches? Is it
a thirty eight thirty eight inches? Is it the kind
that's designed to anchor to your your hand, your your arm?
Is it that the pacifics? These these need to be told.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It can anchor to a part of known squad. It's
it's it's more like it. Right now.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
It feels like a Hastings putter. But you can grip
down or you can have it. It's cut that you
have a reshaft.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Okay, time out, Who cares vic It's a brand new
nice potter. That's all you gotta know. And we're giving
it away if you just text the word shank and
we're giving this squash away. Shank in your first and
last name. The three oh three five oh four oh
nine two five? What terrible?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
That is terrible.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's designed like that. It's the cruisers, so design.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah, you anchor, well you're not allowed to anchor anymore,
but you can anchor it on your arms. Finish this
thing while you guys, Hey, what moron uses the word
shank when given away.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
A golf tool. It's a golf term.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You don't say that term shank in your first and
last name.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You don't say that.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Some of us spoke. Some of us aren't mentally weak
like you, Vic, where we don't get we don't cringe
when we hear a word. So text shank in your
first and last name to three oh three five oh
four five Stop it? People stop saying going, because man,
can I finish this?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Good Lord?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
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Speaker 6 (11:11):
I think Ramos Law needs to help the car accident
that has been this opening segment of the show.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I agree, my word. Everybody's texting you to try to
win this stupid squash. What are you doing? People?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
You trust me what I tell you. You don't want this squash.
It's been handled by numerous people. In fact, VIC right
now is handling it and fondeling it. You don't want this, squash,
He'll stop it. Squash, We'll see where Estimated's up.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
You don't want it.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
There's gonna be a team that I guarantee you he's
gonna have one of those games and this is going
to happen, so be prepared for it. He's gonna have
one of those games where he's just rumbling and rumbling
and he's gonna have one hundred and twenty yards. You're
gon go God, you know, why didn't that happen here?
Sometimes people need to be challenged like that.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I'll make you a bet.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
You know, people need to be challenged like I go
back to Chauncey Phillips. Chauncey phillips first tour of duty
wasn't good. Then he got challenged and then he had
to turn it up a notch and he became and
he became a champion, he became a Hall of Famer. Yeah,
I'm not saying that's gonna happen with this guy. I'm
just saying you need to be challenged early at times.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Let me let me make you a bet. Oudrich Estimate
will not rush for one hundred yards in his career
in a single.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
In a single game. I'll make that bet with you,
all right, what do you want to bet? I'm holding it.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So am I. It's happening this morning. I don't know
what's happening. He comes in, he grabs the squash, and
the whole show goes off the rails. I'll tell you
what the second happened was when Vic said, what's the
length of the potter? Like, I'm supposed to eyeball this
thing and just know it by heart. Brough there's a
sticker on the front of the grip.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Usually stickers give that away. Don't care.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
It's because he didn't know.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Don't care. How many more cuts did the Broncos need
to make twenty twenty?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah it's up there. Yeah, okay, they got quite a
few laughs.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So so they could still throw a couple guys on
the injured reserve if they need be. They've got sixteen
that go to the practice squad.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, I think the way the rule works, you can
only designate two guys for IR to return at this point,
and then you can do some roster gymnastics, like a
lot of times, what guys do, what teams do? They'll
go to somebody and be like, we're gonna cut you,
don't do a damn thing. It's the guys that don't
need to go through waivers anymore, the veterans. We're gonna
cut you, don't do anything. We'll bring it right back,
(13:26):
but we need to get this fifty three man roster set.
Then we'll do the short term ir on other guys
and bring you back. So a lot of gymnastic, Yeah, kind.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Of a complicated situation, a lot of jumping around, a
lot of agreements behind the door.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You know, it's a lot of to put it up up.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Uh, some guys will like, screw you. I'll find a
job someplace else, and maybe they will. I don't know
where Estimate is going to end up, Vic, there are
plenty of teams that could use a running back either way.
Even if it's not today or tomorrow, he's gonna find
a job before week two ends.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I can promise you that there's another name. By the way,
if if of note, I'll say yesterday that was cut
as well. And that was to Mary Mathis, who they
were trying to find a trade partner for and I
guess couldn't find one. So he ends up being released.
You guys, remember he actually goes in the same category
we were just talking about with Vele and arodric estime.
(14:18):
Marie Mathis was attempted to be your starting corner opposite
of Cirtan a couple of years ago. Remember that was
twenty twenty I think his rookie year. I think twenty
twenty three is what I think it was. Two years ago, well, he.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Was twenty two and then twenty three. He kind of
got replaced mid season and played the first few weeks
and it didn't go well, and then they never really
went back to him. But he tried to work his
way back in that cornerback rotation and just never really stuck.
But again, another guy that you had high hopes for
that You're like, we're good, Sorry, moving on, but yes,
(14:53):
there's still a lot of cuts to go.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
What are you still holding that straight up in the air?
Broadcasting for the back is in Shanker Studios, Serious lawyers
with seriously injured. In forty five minutes, Adam Schefter will
make his return to the airwaves with us.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It's got on his feet right now. I'm sure he's
furiously typing away cuts.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Oh yeah, has been all morning.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Hey, I wonder if he wants this squash.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Right, So Eugene types in from the nine oh seven
to one, Eugene, we'll call you Eugene. So I said, look,
don't don't try to guess this.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
You don't want this squash. And so people are putting.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Eugene is pushing back, Moser, don't tell me how to
live my life.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Sucka. Yeah, so I guess it. Look, Eugene, I know
it's best for you at this particular moment, not in
anything else in life, but this. You don't want this squash.
You don't want vic grubby hands that have been all
over you don't want it.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Actually, this is a great lesson. If you interrupt a
segment with tom foolery, as Moser usually does, the penalty
for interrupting and Steve will be the judge and jury here,
the penalty is you have to hold the squash for
an entire segment upright like this? Okay? Is that is
(16:14):
that fair?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Is that a?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Is that a good penalty?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Sure? That means I'm shutting up for the rest of
the day, No, sir, enjoy yourselves.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, if you if you have a great show boys,
if you do something dumb to ruin a segment. You
hold the squash up, you hold it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I think you deserve to hold it for two segments.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
No, this is just a great example of how we're
going to start policing this show. A programming note. I
just said. Schefter is joining us at eight o'clock.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
He's pushed to nine already nine o'clock, so he's so
he's he's being fast and furious right now with the
with the release.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Maybe something BIG's about to happen. Who knows.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
He told me that he got his wires cross, so
he will be on first take, and then after first take,
we'll be at second take at nine am.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Oh, second take at o'clock. All that second take, All right,
stay tuned, stay around, go if you clean to time,
bab most you're gonna tell you something. Yeah, thirty eight special,
you won my favorite banch era. I love thirty eighty
time out.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Nelly, you want that squash, don't you?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I you know what.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I don't want the squash, but I'd like the beginning
of that because one more stands and you get the
squ Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
The opening riff is so good, though, Nellie, can you
go back now?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
No, no, you will hold the squash and Nelly don't
indulge the addict.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
But if I if I played the intro and it
makes him hold the squash, no it worth it.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
No, it's not.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's got hold the entire segment. Trust me.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
So there was an interesting move yesterday, and I have
a question for Adam Schefro now joined us at nine
o'clock this morning about this. The Browns who were fully
prepared to carry four quarterbacks into the season and ended
up trading Kenny Pickett to the Raiders. Ad and O'Connell
is out six to eight weeks. Here's my question. Do
you think that was the Raiders preference or was that
(18:08):
the option the Raiders were given?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
What I mean, what do you mean the preference?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Do you think they would have looked for Gabriel or
Shodoor instead and the Browns going, no, we want those guys,
but we can give you pick It.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I think that, if I'm not mistaken, Pete Carroll said
over the weekend that they would prefer a veteran, a
guy who's been around.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
It didn't say that, yeah, yeah, so that would that
would rule out the two rookies. But I RAPAPORTISCUSLT just
released from the Bills. You're kidding. So he can't find
he can't find a spot.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
He never Man, you talk about a great collegiate player
that never really took it to the next level.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
God, he was fun to watch though.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
He was an amazing all purpose player for the Colorado Buffaloes.
I mean when they needed a first down they went
to Leviskaschenault. He was always the guy.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
They put in my quarterback. You're like, get the ball
and just go right up.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
They ran that wildcat with him and said go get
the first down, and he just didn't translate. You could
tell from early on it just did not translate.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I don't know why. So Chanel let go from the
Bills and he is back on the market now.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
I mean he went Jags, the Panthers, to Seattle, to
the Chargers to the Bills.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Wow. But most when it comes I get that that
they want a veteran to back up Geno Smith. Somebody's
gotta explain this to me because I don't understand it.
Values of backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Kenny Pickett has
(19:37):
been bad, has he not? Like he was a first
round pick that didn't last two years in the place
that drafted him. He's now been traded three times in
five years. What makes him desirable?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
That's a great question. Perhaps if you need him as
a spot starter, just a spot starter here in there.
Because but he's bad. I don't disagree with you.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
You know that. Yeah, he's nobody's long term answer at all.
But he's a guy. But he's bad.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
But why But he's been somewhat serviceable at times. And
if you need a guy to be somewhat serviceable, predictable,
I suppose that's the guy.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
But look, look if either rookie, if you're talking to
the Browns, but hang on, hang on motion. Here's what
I'm saying. Gino Smith goes down with an injury, the
Raiders are dead. Why not be dead with somebody who
might be better than him? Well? Do you try somebody else?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Smith? How do you know those other two that you
mentioned are better than him?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
You I don't know. I don't. But here's the thing
that I know what Kenny Pickett is. Yeah, I don't
know what they are, you know what I mean? Like,
why not take the if you're gonna lose anyway? Like
does Pete Carroll think that Geno Smith if he goes
down for five weeks or eight weeks. Don't worry, Kenny
(21:11):
Pickett's gonna take us six to two, you know, like
that's not happening. But he's traded. Remember how we were
shocked that Devon Valley got a fourth? Von Valley is
gonna play? Can you pick Itt got traded for a
fifth and you're hoping he never sees the field ever.
(21:31):
You know, Jared Stidham is getting five million dollars a year.
He's attempted one hundred and ninety seven passes in five years. Like,
just the value of backup quarterbacks is something I just
I don't I don't totally understand. I actually really understand them.
For if you have a viable backup and you're a
contending team in the NFL, I get that because if
your starter goes out for a couple of weeks, you
(21:53):
don't want that to ruin a playoff chance, right, so
you'll invest in the I don't know Carson Wentz type
as a backup quarterback, be like, you know what, if
I have him as my backup here, we should be Okay,
that's exactly what Minnesota just did, Yes, exactly. But Pickett
stinks like he's just not good good for the Broncos. Well,
(22:17):
would you rather wound a second? Mitchie? Trubisky keeps finding jobs.
There's a lot of guys, Jacobe Brissett finds John a
lot of guys. Would you rather? Would you rather have
Kenny Pickett or Jared did?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Jared's did it? Especially the way he shined in this preseason.
I think the jury is it's done. Yes, thank you,
We'll take Stidham.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I just I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Which I again, if the Raiders, in my mind the
way that I'm thinking, want to mess.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
This up, then go ahead and mess this up, and
you're forgetting one key aspect here. Aid and O'Connell will
be back in four to eight weeks and when he returns, goodbye.
Can he pick It's just a temporary fix. It's just
a patch, that's all. This is.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
One rounder for like a six weeks.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Are we sure?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
And I'm quite frankly I don't give a rats rip
and listen affects the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
No, but reason is a mentality across the league that
I just don't get. Well, you don't have to get it.
Are we sure that Aidan O'Connell's better than Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I take him over Kenny Pikett.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
What the hell has ain't O'Connell done you?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
You could put down a list of at least twenty
backup quarterbacks who've circulated around the league that are all
eh meh. I mean, you know what I'm saying. Really well,
that's where it's a great job if you can get it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
My whole thought process towards this is, instead of taking
the guy I know is bad, why don't I take
a younger guy that's maybe not played and just see if.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
They don't have time to catch him up.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
You don't have time.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You don't have time for that. You're you're now in season,
You're now that the season is going week three. You
don't have time to get a young, unproven player up
to speed. You want somebody who's been in the league
that can sort of handle that.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
They're basically the same guy, Aide o'connelly, County picket. They're
the same dude, same dude.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, Aid O'Connell never did that though, didn't play it again, Nelly,
what do you do?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Picket hands? He never did that. The ball got stuck.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
He attempted to throw and then did a front flip
without actually throwing the ball. I don't think that's ever
happened without being touched, by the way.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
But I'm looking at their stats completion percentage, touch down
to interception ratio. I guess O'Connell's a little a little
bit better. Their rating is about this exact same.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
So I'll give you I just out of curiosity motion,
I looked this up and just said best back up
quarterbacks in the league. CBS Sports has the top ten
heading into this year. I'll tell you what it is,
top ten backup quarterbackup quarter in the league. Yes, at
number ten, they have Tyson Baigent, the Bears.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Kid, who, by the way, did you see how emotional
he got when he signed his contract? Oh? Yeah, God,
that was cool to see. Was this cool?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Did his old man go and uh arm whistle?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Somebody, dude, you gotta go back and look at this
press conference.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It was really hard crying.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yes, very emotional.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Number nine Trey Lance.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I disagree with that. I think I did too. I mean,
why why is Trey Lance? Is just a name? But
what has he done?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
He's done nothing, but he's still so young. Number eight
is Jackson Darky.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Again unproven, but that's fine if you want to throw
improven guys on there. Number seven steady, yep, I knew
he'd make the top ten. Number six is Anthony Richardson.
Number five is Malik Willis in Green Bay. Okay, God,
this is a bad list.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Number four is Tanner McKee in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
What the hell is going on with this list?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Number three is Carson Wentzon in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Finally, Number two is Jimmy g Rams. Number one is
Kirk Cousins for Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
That's a bad list.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Here's what I don't get. Why isn't Jamis on here?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
He's not Jamis is a three right now? I would
take Marcus Mariota, who's the backup in Washington, over like
the first six guys we named him that list.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I don't like this list. Jacoby Brissetts better than three
of those names on that list.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Agreed, who's the kid the backup in Cincy? Browne? Remember,
played pretty well when he was in for Burrow.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Take that list.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
That's stupid, lest bad list, bad list, CBS taking the
squash the squash. He just brought up the dumbest list
in America. I'm not holding it. This is CBS's fault.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
That's a bad list.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I gotta put it on my computer.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Put on the computer. CBS is whole. That's entire segment.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I'm not doing that with that's next question.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh, by the way, Coach Prime speaks today, Today's Coach
Prime Day ten fifteen, three days.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Well, I know, yeah, I know he speaks. I hope
this is the who's starting quarterback stuff? Why do I
get so fascinated by that? Because I think both guys
are going to play.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Why do you get fascinated on who's starting a quarterback
because it's a big deal. Well, I guess, but I
mean both guys are going to play.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I'm more concerned. I'm not worried about who's starting a quarterback.
I don't know what style of football they're playing, Like
we knew what they were last two years, Like I
knew what what you were going to see? Like what
are they what are we going to see?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I would go as far as to say this, VIC,
I think they need to look different, like from like
run the ball. Yes, they new clock. Let me give
you what I believe Scrammatically, it's I don't think anybody's
ever suggested this before, but I think I just came
(28:04):
up with something brilliant. Guys, ready, I'm ready. I think
the Buffs, if they want to be a good football team,
need to run the ball and stop the run a
lot better.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Oh man, Yeah, I know why.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I don't think anybody's ever thought of that concept before.
But if they do that, I think there'll be a
much better football team.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Well, they're gonna have their hands full against the Georgia
Tech team that does run the ball, and run the
ball well and choose up clock and has very long
possessions series. Yeah, you know, this is their kryptonite. Again,
you don't want to mess with the team like this.
If they get the ball, they're gonna hold the ball.
(28:42):
That's the biggest storyline for me. The story isn't who
starting a quarterback, because it's what's that quarterback going to
do this? This isn't Shador Sanders throwing it left and
right like we've seen the last two years. I don't
expect to see that, do you, guys?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I really haven't. I really think I really we've got
is my witness? I really have no idea? Look, I
really so I will find out Friday night.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Here do me a favor, Do me a favor.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Hold on to this for a few minutes, because I
get a lot of questions about CEU that I want
to get to. Okay, at seven forty five again, Adam
Schefter is gonna join us at nine o'clock this morning.
There is one thing that happened yesterday that I'm wholly
confused by. It felt like the biggest waste of time,
I think in training camp history. So there's a guy
(29:33):
by the name of Desmond Watson. Oh yeah, he's a
he's a big guy. He was with the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers kind of if you remember vic, Desmond Watson was
the six foot five, four hundred and fifty pound defensive
tackle out of Florida that was not allowed to practice
because he was quote out of shape. So he walked
(29:55):
around with a towel around his neck for three months
at Tampa Bay's training camp, and then they caught him yesterday.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Trying to shed weight. Was that what the intent was?
Speaker 4 (30:04):
What?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
What was he doing there?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
That's what I'm asking. It felt like the most pointless
camp body ever right most Like he didn't he didn't
take a single practice nap because he was out of shape,
and I'm like, you signed a man that was four
hundred and fifty pounds. What did they expect him to do? Well? He?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I guess he had a really great pro day, okay,
and I mean he bench pressed like crazy. He ran
the forty yard dash in under six seconds for a
four hundred and sixty pound guy. He could jump, He's
kind of like the fridge. You could jump really high.
But they needed him to slim down and he just
never either caught or did. And so what he did
(30:43):
is he walked around in pads with a towel around
his neck, kind of mo opened the whole camp.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
It was crazy. But the if you want a chihuahua,
then why did you get a great day? I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
An outside chance he could give them a look that
they like. He never produced it, but they did.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
He never got down in a three point stance once.
He just walked around the field. That's all he did,
which I'm again I asked, what was the point in
all of that other than like it felt like it
was just a public shaming every day of that.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
He was an undrafted free agent, so it's not like
they wasted a pick on him. But yeah, I mean
I think the guy himself. Look, I don't know. I
don't know how you don't slim down to have a
National Football League career.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I don't know they have. I mean, how many nutritionists
would you guess they have on staff with Tampa?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
They have a lot. But you know what, it's not
as easy as it looks to the probably gain probably right,
it's not that easy. I can't gain weight, can't do it. Tried, tried,
Everything won't happen. Ain't happening.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
It's been a weekend on the immogi. We'll put a
couple of pounds on you.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Do you know where I eat?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well, that's what I'm saying, right, you can't.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Is food an issue for me of actually eating food?
Speaker 4 (32:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Do you know where I eat every day?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Your mom? Okay?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Do you know how much he cooks?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah? A lot?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Okay, so it is food the problem.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Well again, me and mos can start dipping into some more.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
There are those no, there are those who can't lose,
and there are those who can't gain, and that's just it.
And then there are those who are up and down
all over the place.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Vick, I'm telling you, do you want to gain weight.
Give me a month. Every weekend you go to the
same place as I go to, which start drinking beers.
See how quick that you put on weight? Then, but
his tummy, the bubbles will hurt his tummy. Somebody told me.
Uh so it was a guy who was a bartender,
but he is also a personal trainer. Very odd back
and forth. He said, every beer you drink is like
(32:48):
eating a sandwich. And I go, I've had eight sandwiches today. Yeah,
and I mean giving He was like the caloric intake
with all like all the stuff that's in beer is
like eating a sandwich. Yeah, huh. And I said, can
I have a ninth sandwich? Because I'm not quite done yet?
(33:11):
Three h three five four nine two five. So I
do want to get to see you. Here's my question.
Go back to the first couple of years of Dion's tenure,
Game one and ask yourself this, how much did the
results of the first game actually mean? Because we're gearing
up for this Georgia Tech game because it's going it
(33:32):
should be a good one. How much did the first
game affect the way that we thought about the rest
of the year. We'll get to it next, all right,
As you got to get down to a fifty three
man roster by two o'clock today. Some cuts, Mike Cliss says,
the Broncos have waived offensive lineman Willis Sherman, the former Buff,
so he did a little bit of tackle and guard.
(33:54):
Sort of a versatile offensive lineman. Hopefully somebody that maybe
comes back to a practice squad if not picked up elsewhere.
Uh and and chocking news, the Browns have released Deontay Johnson.
How many guys are gonna try and pick that guy
up just to cut him? Great point, it's happening over over,
(34:15):
over and over again. Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Did you see the Raiders are bringing back Marik Cooper?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I did? That's okay, And that came right after. Did
you guys see the Jacoby Myers trade request yesterday? Yeah?
Jacoby Myers a good player. Yeah, I don't think that's
if I'm a Raiders fan, I'm like, so we brought
back Mari Cooper, who looks like he can't really play anymore,
right after our good wide receiver requested to trade. I
don't like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Weird happenings. Yeah, in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Nobody feels happy there ever, Why is that? I don't
know Max Crosby basically was begging to get out of there,
and then they said, here's a Brinks truck full of money.
All right, I'm happy again. Cool.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Well, it's one of the franchises. Can I tell you who?
It's owned by a guy who's made the money on
the franchise. They don't have an alternative form of income. Yeah,
like that is you know what I'm saying. Mark Davis
has never really had a job. I mean, look at
the franchises that are owned by owners who simply make
money off the franchise and that's it. Cincinnati, Yeah, Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
They can't reach in something Walmart, well, they always.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Have the capability, they don't have access to that that
funnel of cash. They just don't.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Get more into this with Adam Schefter later, I.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Guess that's the If that's the case, Vig, then why
did Tom Brady want a piece of that? Because it's
if they're gonna be a poverty Because he could buy it,
because he actually have.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
A piece, because he can buy a NFL owner.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, because he could buy it because it's available. Because
Mark Davis says, hey I need some any.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
A tiny piece. It's a small piece and you get some.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Credibility with him.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh still though, mo, Derek Jeter bought a piece of
the Marlins. Like, it's like if you if you're capable
of being a part owner, you know what your money
is going to do, make more of it.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Don't you want a piece?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Well, I'd love a piece. God, I would love a piece.
I just want just a piece, please.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
You could buy a piece of the Packers.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
No, that is the biggest rule. It's such a going
by the way.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I just have to say this, and I'm not going
to get into detail. I went somewhere last week and
there's a bunch of Packers fans and they saw my
name and they went gaga, thinking I am no relation
whatsoever to Vince Lombardi. None, but the mistake was made.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Look wherever you were at and did you sell it?
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Did you sell? I would have sold it? It is crazy? Yea,
how crazy they get?
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Like are you related to vinceland Bardy be like, oh
you're talking about pop up?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But how do you know that you're not related?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I mean you could be zero relation.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I've had no relations with that man. No relationship. Okay,
my parents are off the boat.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Yeah, I understand that, but maybe from the old country.
You never know, the DNA might be swimming in there.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
I can't believe Mosure passed the opportunity for a Clinton
that he tedd you of no, and he just didn't
take it anyway. I have a question about seeing you
their first game. Next question, go back to the last
couple of years. Do you guys remember the first game
from last year?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
All right, hold on, let me don't look up, don't
look at yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. North Dakota State.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Nds US And it wasn't down to the wire.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
It wasn't easy.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I was at that game.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
How do I not remember that game?
Speaker 4 (37:54):
I thought you were going back two years ago because
I remember the TCU game very clearly.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yes, well, both of these for different reasons. Here's what
I'm getting at. So see you last year had this
really tough opening game against North Dakota State that we
all said, like, North Dakota State's a very very good
football team. Gotta be a little careful with them. They
have beaten people up week one in upsets multiple times
(38:18):
in the past. So they eke out that win. The
next week they do what.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
They win.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
No, they lost to Nebraska. Remember, no, I'm twenty eight
to ten. I guess I'm locked on twenty twenty three
because they couldn't. They couldn't, I understand most because.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
They beat TCU, they beat Nebraska, they beat Colorado State,
and then things with the crap.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Nebraska sack Shadour like six or seven times during that game.
They had no running game going, they couldn't do much
of anything, and Nebraska was up twenty eight to nothing
at half.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Right, I'm gonna look now because now I'm stuck on
twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Here's the point. A really bad start to last year.
Eke out of winn against North Dakota, get you bucks
kicked by Nebraska. All and all, you had a pretty
damn good year last year. You were at the very
end of the season fighting for a big twelve championship appearance.
You go back to the year one under Dion, they
have the amazing upset of TCU. They follow that up
(39:14):
with the Nebraska win, right, and then we're thinking that
was the shootout against the Rams, Well, maybe this team's
gonna be great. And then they lost like seven in
a zero or something like that after the.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Rams, which is why Georgia Tech scares me. Take a
look at that schedule last year.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
But here's here's my point, just real quick, Vic, are
we allowed to have a takeaway from the Georgia Tech game,
good or bad? Considering what we've seen the last two
years that they've flipped after the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, Like last year, they had an awful start to
the year, but it was a pretty good year overall.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
If anything, I am more willing to give this version
of the Buffs a longer leash simply because they lost
two key players, one of which is a quarterback whose
jersey's been retired. Yeah, so if you don't have that established,
don't you automatically get a longer leash.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Well, we've talked about this, Vic, because you think that
you would. But he's being paid ten million dollars a year.
He's amongst the highest paid coaches in the entire genre
of college football. And that being said, Vic, these other
teams in other conferences lose great players every single year,
(40:24):
and you know what they do. They reload and they're
ranked in the top ten. So I think the expectations
should be that they should not drop off that much. Man,
if he's getting talent in there and he surrounded himself
with good people and he's being paid ten million per
you're not reverting back to six wins.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Bro, It's not happening. I understand the chasm between these
two schools from a football perspective, but Ryan Day doesn't
get a leash because Will Howard's not on the team anymore.
You know what I mean? Now, would you say this mosch,
does Boise State get a little bit longer leashed with
no more ashing genty? Absolutely? Well?
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Are you comparing yourself the Boise State or you want
to compare yourself to the big dogs.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I'd like to for ten million bucks a year, I'd
like to compare myself to the big dogs.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
You know. I want to say that. It's funny you
bring that up. Notre Dame is about to play Miami Sunday,
and I have no idea what to expect from Notre
Dame with a new quarterback CJ. Carr, a freshman taking
over for Riley Leonard, a season veteran. I have no
idea what to expect. And you talk about leashes, That
(41:29):
leash will last about as long as the first two
minutes off the class and they'll be like, let's go
yep like that.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
It's just that's what college football is. I don't think
you can talk about roster turnover anymore. Everybody has it.
Do you have a line on that game?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Do you have a line. I know nothing about that game.
I know that Carson Beck is playing for Miami and CJ.
Carr's quarterback. He noted. So that's the stories. Teams hate.
These teams hate each other immensely. They've hated each other
for history. That's that's the story I hate. Let me
say this, Catholics versus Convicts. If they're if they're are
Miami grads, and I know many in town, I hate
(42:03):
you so much. Okay, I hate Miami football more than
I hate any program in the country.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Lakers college football. I'm talking what are they ranked though against?
Like Lakers, Chiefs, Raiders.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Oh, back in my college days there have been number one,
and right now now you're drumming up some old days.
I hate Miami football. Jimmy Michael Irvin, that era, I
hate him. I hate him with a passion. I hate
him so much. I hate you, Steve Walsh, that era.
Everything about you and that hate is respect, by the way,
(42:38):
because I also respect you. I respect the hell out
of what they did for all those years.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
The point is they lost the number one pick in
the National Football League draft and cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
And what do they do? They just go get Carson Beck.
He leaves Georgia to go to Miami for a lot
of money. Not much of a bet guy.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Well, yeah, I mean neither.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
They obviously thought enough of him to pay him a
lot of cash. We could go over there. The point
is Miami's ranked tenth. They lost the number, they lost the.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Best player in the drafts Ward, Yeah, I mean so
so and the ranked tenth, I mean so what should
our expectations been?
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Lying in that game?
Speaker 4 (43:15):
But uh irish minus two and a half on the road,
will you come in six six versus ten?
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Six? At ten?
Speaker 4 (43:26):
By the way, this this weekend, there are so many
dang good football games college football games this weekend.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Phoenix three or three rights vic. The entire country hates
a Notre dame. I don't care. You hate them all
you want? You want to be them, though, don't you thought?
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Another update from roster cuts. Every year you get this
Broncs waiving Michael.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Bandy for him.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, just the squad grinder, training camp grinder. He's there
every year, every single single year. So Michael Bandy is
the latest. Uh again, Nelly, can you look up how
many guys have been cut in total? Because I want
to see how many more the Broncos gotta like go
to get to fifty three. But it's got to be
(44:20):
I think you mentioned Vico's. It's probably around it's still
twenty twenty, Yeah, somewhere in that ballpark. But did anybody
even think that Bandy had a shot. No, I don't
want to. I don't want to poop po He's he's
a small little guy. He's not. I don't know. Look,
I've said this before, like it's a very being the
(44:43):
guy who's on the on the practice squad and training
camp invite every year is not a bad gig. Motion,
it's not. It's not a bad gig.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yes, but it's also an.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
NFL wide receiver at the fifty three man level.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
But but it's also reality, especially with this team.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
This tiam traded Veley because they didn't have room. I mean,
all of these guys, whether you're Walking Davis or anybody else, Yeah,
you're you're gonna have a really tough time making this roster.
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