Lights, Camera, Oscars: Navigating the 97th Academy Awards Buzz

**Host:** Alex First
**Guest Critics:** Sandy Kaye, Peter Krause
**Episode Summary:**
In this lively episode of First on Film & Entertainment, host Alex First is joined by critics Sandy Kaye and Peter Krause for a spirited conversation leading up to the 97th Academy Awards. With excitement in the air, the trio discusses the nominations and their predictions for the big night. The episode kicks off with a humorous exchange about the Oscars and the quirky happenings surrounding the event, setting the tone for a fun-filled discussion. The critics delve into the standout films nominated for Best Picture, including *Conclave*, *The Brutalist*, and *Emilia Perez*, sharing their insights on storytelling, performance, and cinematic artistry. Alex challenges Sandy and Peter to a trivia quiz about the longest films in Oscar history, leading to surprising revelations and friendly banter. As the conversation unfolds, they explore the significance of inclusivity in this year's nominations and highlight the contributions of Australian talent in various categories. Listeners can expect a blend of insightful critiques, engaging trivia, and a passionate celebration of film as the Oscars approach.
**Highlights:**
- **Oscar Predictions:** A spirited debate on the Best Picture nominees, with *Conclave* and *The Brutalist* emerging as frontrunners.
- **Trivia Fun:** A light-hearted quiz on the longest films in Oscar history, showcasing the hosts' knowledge and camaraderie.
- **Australian Talent:** Acknowledgment of the significant contributions from Australian filmmakers and actors in this year's nominations.
00:00:00 - Sandy Kay and Peter Kraus discuss the Oscars ahead of time
00:02:52 - There are 10 nominations for best picture this year, Sandy. What have been the longest
00:05:34 - Alex asks some trivia questions about the Oscar nominations for best picture
00:08:03 - Three films received 10 or more nominations in this year's Oscars
00:12:20 - Timothee Chalamet is 12th person to portray Oscar nominee
00:13:23 - We haven't talked about Australians. We gotta talk about Australians, don't we
00:15:31 - Porcelain War is nominated for documentary feature Oscar
00:16:53 - Nominations for best picture go to Conclave, Dune Part 2
00:21:11 - Sandy says Conclave will win best film
00:23:29 - So let's go to Best Director. Who do you think will win
00:26:27 - Peter Howell picks his favourites for best actor and best actress
00:30:13 - Sandy: I'm rooting for Demi Moore. I think she did a sensational job
00:32:45 - Peter Sheridan: Excellent film. I think it works extremely well
00:34:13 - Sandy thinks Kieran Culkin will win Best Supporting Actor
00:36:01 - Best Supporting Actress, Monica Barbaro for A Complete Unknown
00:37:26 - Okay, let's go for the next category being Best Original Screenplay
00:40:08 - We haven't seen a lot of the best animated feature films yet
00:41:27 - This is Best International Feature. Of international features. Amelia Perez from France nominated in Spanish
00:42:21 - Dan: I think Seed of the Sacred Fig will win cinematography Oscar
00:46:39 - Peter Howell gives odds for the Oscars in various categories
00:49:18 - Best Actor is short priced favourite for Adrian Brody
00:52:48 - Do you think the host will do a decent job at the Oscars
00:53:20 - Gene Hackman died at 95 from apparent carbon monoxide poisoning
00:55:18 - We got to go. Let's, uh, circle the wagons and see how we did at Oscar ceremonyJoin the First on Film & Entertainment team for this engaging episode, and stay tuned for more film insights and reviews in the weeks to come!
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
First on film and entertainment, Get it all and with
me today, Sandy Kay and Peter Kraus. The others have
deserted us so highly reliant upon your good Gray, Sandy
and Peter, you're a calcil trends.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Is that all right?

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Web calc trad as always.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I'd be very disappointed otherwise, Sandy, we're going to bring
sanity into this conversation. Correct.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I think I'm not known for that, but okay, I'll try, Yeah,
be a level best.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
It's all right, we'll sort of battle through it all
with just three rather than what five of us. Having
said that, these are the days of awe before the Oscars, right,
we're talking about literally a day before. But that's okay.
This is when it's everyone's a winner. Right. It's kind
of like before the football season starts. Sandy, you know

(00:50):
every one of the eighteen teams you're not.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Going to the football Please spare I shall, yes.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
The Mighty Bombers. How many times can I insert as
andration O Wooden spooners? Ay? Ay, that's Richmond this year.
Having having said that, it is an exciting time and
of course Nova has a big event each year, does
it not? Peter and what do you I don't attend.

(01:17):
I watched by myself. Actually I like to make notes
and so on in that context. But you know I'm
anti social. So what does that say about? Well, it's
about it's a special event for the media, isn't it
it is.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I'll be there on Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well yeah, and being tomorrow. So having said that, do
you get Nibley's and all that sort of stuff as well?

Speaker 3 (01:39):
We get two drinks and a snack box for thirty
three dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
And a snackpot And what is the is the snack
box full of healthy food? Peter?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I would say probably not, but I mean big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, lashing out there you go, sanity. Have you ever
been to Nova.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
To the Well, I've been to Nova, but I certainly
haven't been to this event. And I have to say
I missed out on an invitation. So what can you do?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh well, I'm sure that have you, Sandy? That everybody?
What have you? You're the life of the party. It's
just a question of being invited, right, So let.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
You can't be the life of the party if you're
not invited to attend.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, that's true, that's true. Like maybe maybe we can
change that in the future, who knows. I wanted to
make some general remarks about what these are the ninety
seventh Academy Awards. Now obviously a lot more inclusive than
they have been in years gone by. I mean, the
last what three four years have been much more inclusive.
There are a number of Australians that feature, and I

(02:44):
always like the quirkies, and so there are a few
quirky bits and pieces. So maybe we'll start there. Let's
this is my pick for Best Picture and Best Director,
and we've known that for some time, and also Best Actor.
But it's two hundred and fifteen minutes long, excluding the

(03:04):
interval of fifteen twenty minutes whatever it is, But that
makes it the fifth longest Best Picture nominee of all time.
Now I haven't pre prepared the other two, but I'm
going to pose this question to both of you, and
we're only talking about those pictures that have been nominated
for Best Film in the history of the Oscars. What

(03:27):
have been the longest? There are four others? Would you
like to hazard a guess, either of you?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Laurence of Arabia in fact, no, no, okay, Gone with
the Wind, Yes, that's that second Prize at two hundred
and thirty eight minutes, so we're doing it.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Gone Gone with the Wind, and we've got the Brutal
List at two fifteen being number five, so there's still
one better than Gone with the Wind in terms of
running time. Nomine Patrick, very good, that's it two and
four eight minutes. Now the other two, so I'll go
up the Brutalist the Ten Commandments at two hundred and

(04:07):
twenty minutes, Lawrence of Arabia at two twenty two, Gone
with the Wind at two thirty eight, and Cleopatra at
two forty eight. There you go. Trivial pursuit questions. Okay,
if you look at the there are ten nominations for
Best Picture this year, sany Now, if you put them
one after another, that makes it the longest Best Picture

(04:30):
lineup ever. It runs for twenty four hours and forty
five minutes. Who says movies are not too long? Peter,
I do, right, and there you go. But this is
the longest in the history of the Oscars. Now, hopefully
the ceremony isn't the longest in the history of the Oscars,
because that's one thing a lot of people complain about.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Do they not be to some extent, but Colin and O'Brien,
i'm sure will have some funny things to say to
make the event watchable.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I'll tell you what it's a It's a hard it's
a hard road to hope because it doesn't matter how
clever you are, you can you can be found out,
can't you? I mean need this sort of environment and
not everything goes down well?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
And terms can you watch it here on Monday night?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Pardon me?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Where can you watch it? In Australia on Monday night?

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Ten o seven? It's Live to Wear at eleven o'clock
and then repeated at ten o'clock PM.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh awesome, Okay, that's great, Thanks for telling us that.
Can I just tell you which of the nominations for
Best Picture of the ten?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
We'll get there. And I just want to go through
a bit more trivia, not not that I'm trying to
closere Are you love your trivia? Alex go far trivia?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Right?

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay? So okay? Now the ray Fines, who has been
nominated for Conclave as Best Actor twenty twenty eight years
after his first nomination for Which movie Peter ray Fines
think about it? Ah?

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Goodness? Do you have to think about it.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, so go back twenty eight years. I mean, that's
the blink of an I for you when you were
born in about when when Adam was a boy. So
you know, I know it's like yesterday. So a very
well known film that not everybody appreciated, I've got to say.
And it's a three word title which you have to
be patient to endure.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Oh the English patient?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah exactly. Yeah. So now that makes him the second
that's the second largest gap in the category, after whom Peter,
after whom. Right, that's that's a harder that's a harder question.
This is this is when we need Greg because he's
a trivial pursuit buff right yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
So you know, no idea, You just here to embarrass
me and Peter, are you alstra hell?

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Female?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's a male. That's correct though, and you're right absolutely,
I've injuc.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I'm glad you're targeting Peter though not me, is it,
Daniel day Lewis, No, No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
He was but a boy Henry Fonda and ah, yes,
one year gap right right? Okay, So now it's the
first Brazilian film, of course, to be given a Best
Film Oscar not at least or gong or nomination. So

(07:35):
that's that's important thing. And okay, let's look at a
complete unknown Timothy Shalla May, the twelfth person to receive
an Oscar nomination for somebody who has oh might guess what?
My notes have suddenly disappeared from the screen. It is shocking.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
You might have to live like the rest of us.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Then, oh no, okay, so well, okay, so let's go
to Fernando Torres, the second Brazilian nominated for an acting Oscar,
and the other one was Fernanda Montenegro. Right, yes, and
the two of them joined Judy Garland and Eliza Minelli
as the only mother and daughter nominated for best Actress.

(08:23):
There you go to that. Okay, that was that went
down like a lead balloon.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Could have.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Sorry, what was that? Sandy?

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I really could have lived without that information, are you?

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I'm losing this war very well. Hang on, I'm now
going I'm now going back to try and find the
other I reckon, this is great. Somebody must have done
a lot of hard work to actually come up with
these these trivial facts. But don't don't most of us
like trivia.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I mean, I'm just because that's what.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, can I just say one quick thing, The French
Bizarre Academy Awards have just been announced and Amelia Perez
was the biggest.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Winner that, which doesn't surprise me at all. Yeah, and okay,
so let let me say Amelia Perez received thirty nominations
for the Oscars, the most for any non English language
film in Academy Awards history. I mean, that's that. And
so the previous best was ten, So that's really outstripping it.

(09:29):
And we're talking Roma and Crouching Tiger, Tiger, Hid and Dragon. Now,
for those for those people interested in where I'm getting
this trivia from bad luck, I'm not going to tell you, no, no, no,
it's only fair if you go to next Best Picture
dot com it lists and good on them. Stats and

(09:49):
trivia from the ninety sixth Academy Award nominations by somebody
called Daniel Howard Howat. We're going to credit him with
a lot for having sort of given me all of
So three films received ten or more nominations in this
year's Oscars. Right now you should be able to tell me, Sandy,
one of them at least. Well, I've given you Amelia

(10:10):
Perez what are the others? Right, there's two more?

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Can you pull? I can tell you yes, So that's
anist correct yep, and there and with oh Wicked.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, and that's the fifth time that this has occurred,
dating back to nineteen sixty four. So there you go.
And a couple of people this year received four individual
nominations for the year. That's that's pretty amazing. Sean Baker
and Jacques Audiard are the two. Which is an Jacques

(10:44):
Curdiard for Amelia Perez of course, which we've just talked about. Okay,
so there was that one bit that I'm trying to
move down to. There are so many facts and figures
here it's not funny, and I'm trying to get to now.
Wicked is the fourth film the score ten nominations without

(11:05):
a Best Director nomination, so obviously WI could just took
care of itself.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Peter, Well, it's happened several times. I mean, think of
Driving the s Daisy where Bruce Beresford wasn't nominated.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
No, that's true, that's true. Well, and you know the
with with regards to what's her what's her first name? Gascorn?
The is oh, yes, fifth openly queer person nominated for
portraying a queer character pla yeah, yeah, yeah, which so

(11:37):
that that's that's following Jodi Foster in Niad Coleman Demingo
and Audustin, Stephanie Hugh in Everything Everywhere all at once,
an Ian McKellen the Gods and Monsters. So that's that's interesting.
And then Zoe Saldana, who I think is laid down
mosta win Best Supporting Actress. Sird Fro Latino nominated for

(11:58):
Best Supporting Actress, following Perez and Hariana de Bose. So
and yeah, so that's and it's the first time to
Afrotino performers were nominated in the same year because Domingo
was nominated this year as well, Black Actor. Right, Yes,
so there's that, And now I can give you finally

(12:23):
complete the one about Timothy Shallo may twelfth person to
receive an OSCAR nomination for portraying a real life Oscar
nominee or a winner in Bob Dylan, right, because Dylan
won the Oscar for Best Original Song for Things Have
Changed from Wonder Boys, and Chalomy is the eighth person
to receive an Oscar for portraying a Nobel laureate. I
was surprised by that. I mean that's a lot, but

(12:46):
I suppose Nobel laureates, by their very nature, have got
stories to tell. Yes, we're talking Walter Pigeon as in
Madame for Madame Curie, Greer Garson in Madame Curie, Alexander
Knox for Wilson as in Woodrow Wilson, Jack Nicholson for
Red's portraying Eugene O'Neil, Russell Crowe, a Beautiful Mind, John

(13:10):
Nash Junior, Morgan Freeman in Invictus for Nelson Mandela, and
Gary Oldman Darkest Hour for winstant Churchill. That'll do, won't it?
For trivia? Now you can find for we haven't talked
about Australians. We've got to talk about Australians, don't we,
surely before we go into the category. Okay, So Guy

(13:30):
Pierce the Brutalist is the Obvious and memoir of a Snail,
Adam Elliott and Liz Kearney. Yeah, yes, I mean that's
pretty There are some other ossies as well. Visual effects
that are quite a few, and visual effects better Man,
David Clayton, Keith Hurfton, Peter Stubbs alongside the VFX producer

(13:52):
Luke Miller, and then Kingdom of the Planet of the
Apes of the Apes Rodney Burke and Aleyen Romulus. And
I'm going to mispronounce his name and iologize Nelson sepul Vida Fauser.
So there you go. That's for visual effect. I'm sure
I've left something.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Oh, I'm getting lots of noise in the background, you Alex, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Me me shuffling. But there's cinematography Greg Froz Dune part two.
There's I Am Ruddy Warden documentary short film. There are
a couple of others, producer Maya Gnips that they're they're
the ones I know, Well what else? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (14:32):
What a good name? I might change mine?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Maya Gnips, Gnips.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Andy Gnipps. How does that sound.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Nips g n y p Yeah, nip nationality?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Is that just for a bit of trivia?

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Well these days you couldn't tell, could you. I mean,
I'm now I'm now using this to Google machine? Is it,
mister or which which Google machine? I'm just them here
her she we there you go from Wikipedia. If we
can trust Wikipedia. A film producer based in Australia and
the United States. So what one night in each place

(15:10):
and mayag Nip is a she. Yeah, and I'm just
looking at Wikipedia again, produced documentary executive producer of a
TV series, Muslim Matchmaker. There you go, commissions.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
It's another film to mention an Australian production with international directors.
Is Porcelain War nominated for Documentary Feature?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Oh? Is it really? Okay? There you go, I've missed
Porcelain War, you know, throw the baby out with a
bath border right. I'm just looking at the official trailer,
A two minute twenty one thing, a war wage by
professional soldiers against ordinary civilians. There you go, Peter.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
It has lots of artistic visual effects and so on,
because it's about Ukraine and artists who are living and
surviving in war.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
And it won the Director's Guild of America Award. There
you go, Peter. So yeah, and I'm looking at it
from Awards Daily. Porcelain War masterfully illustrates the enduring power
of art in the face of adversity. And that's what
we're about. We're artistic, aren't we? The three of us.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Face of adversity.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Absolutely, I'm full of adversity.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
You are. I'm full of admiration because I put up
with your adversity.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
This week?

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Do I deserve? Do I deserve an Oscar? For that?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Peter and Honorary Oscar.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Now, Sandy, over to you. You can give us the
Best Picture nominees and then you can give me your
fancy and you're under Bubbler, the one that may may
throw a cat amongst the pigeons.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
So that's the drum roll. There's nominations for Best Picture.
Go to Anora the Brutalist. A Complete Unknown Conclave June
Part two, Amelia Perez, I'm still here. Nickel Boys, the
Substance and Wicked.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
All right, so before we give you before you give
me your under bubbler, and you're your winner. I've seen
nine of the ten. The only one I haven't seen
is Nickel Boys. What about you, Sandy.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I've seen eight of the ten, but the two I
haven't seen is June part two, and I haven't caught
up with. I'm still here yet, I have seen Nickel Boys.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Ah, Okay, Peter, I've seen them all.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Oh, Peta, of course you have.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Okay, see you're you're you're the ultimate arbiter here, Peter. Okay, Sandy,
go for it. What's your what's the one that's going
to push your winner to the ultimate extreme.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I if I was the Academy and the vote depended
on me, I would give it to Conclave without a doubt.
I thought that was a tremendous story, fabulously acted. It
was not only inspiring and educational, but also thoroughly entertaining
and extremely timely given what's happened happening right now in

(18:14):
the world. So I would go Conclave, and my under bubbler,
as you called it, I'd haven't. And it's really hard
because i'd have now, or I guess I would have
to give it to Amlia Perez as the under bubbler.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Okay, And bear in mind where we, like everybody else,
wish the Pope extremely well, and it's very sad that
only the twenty four hours he's taking a turn for
the worse as well, and he's been a real fighter.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
But at least now we know what happens once he goes.
I mean, he's going to go sooner or later, right,
And we know then what the whole process is. Because
it's Conclave, we understand a whole lot more well, certainly
that I never knew about, and I'm sure a lot
of people listening also never understood that process of how
they get there, and Conclave was based on the actual

(19:05):
process that all of these priests go through to choose
a new pope. I thought it was spectacular.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, it's interesting. I mean, I must admit I knew
most of it, Peter, did you have? I just thought
it was really well done with the twist at the
end and so on as well. But I mean I
knew the process, did you not, Pete.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
I've seen a couple of other films dealing with popes
and the election process, and so I was semi familiar
with the process. But the twist at the end of
Conclave is the big surprise, I think.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Also, Sandy. I mean I presume you were certainly where
in terms of the smoke coming out of the chimney
and all of that.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Once I knew, I just didn't know what the whole
deal was before that. However, you know, you talk about
the twist at the end, and without giving anything away,
I thought that was actually the weakest part of the
film really. I mean, I think it's sent a good message,
but it kind of played into political correctness, and I

(20:09):
just I'm not sure that was actually necessary.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
It's interesting, so it's the duplicitousness of it, the conspiracy,
the fact that all of these people are human beings
before one one rises to the to the mantle of pope,
that's what you admire.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I really liked it. It
made all of those contenders seem very normal, and the
whole process very political, and it was certainly something that
I didn't expect from the Roman Catholic Church. Not that
I sat in judgment over it, but I was certainly

(20:47):
enlightened by it, and I thought the acting by all
the players was really fine.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
And don't forget, it's based on a novel, so obviously
it's pure supposition about the twist and the out the
parts of the process.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Now, Peter, you give me yours, and I'll give your
minds how to speak.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Okay, I'll give you my racalciturnt and you give me yours.
Now anyway, Now, look, it's a fairly wide open field
based on previous awards that other guilds and Screen Actors
Guild and everyone else has been giving. And I've been
watching Variety very carefully to see what their feedback is

(21:29):
from some of the voters, and so my hunch, obviously
it's just a hunt. Is that. I agree with you, Sandy,
Conclave will win Best Film and the Underbubbler is going
to be Anora.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah, it's a good choice. I like Tomora a lot.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, I liked Anora a lot as well. I'm going
to stick with the film that I When I saw it,
I thought, my golly, this is going to win. And
I mentioned that earlier. The brutalist. I thought it was stunning,
really richly woven taine tale of pain and perseverance, and
I mean the brutalist refers to the style of architecture,
and we're talking about something in the wake of World

(22:13):
War II, and somebody coming to America, the opportunities presented,
and the barriers that are put in front of him
as well, and the character that he is, and then
his wife joins him, and so on and so forth.
I thought it was an amazing film, very very richly painted,

(22:35):
very powerful, very distressing, all of those sorts of things,
and it's sort of epic in nature, and I thought
it was based on a real human being. It was
only after because I never read about a film beforehand,
and it was only afterwards when I looked it up
that I realized this was a sort of inspired by
real life architects and designers, but wasn't real. So I

(22:59):
picked the Brutalist and the two that I also thought
Anora was an amazing film, and I also like The
Complete Unknown. I'm a complete Unknown, I might say, even
though it was only for a period of time in
the life of Bob Dylan. But I thought Conclave was
probably the second best film as well. So yeah, Conclave

(23:22):
through the three of us. Conclave probably gets more votes
if you're going ten dount of one. But I'm going
to go with a Brutalist for best Film. So let's
go to best Director, Sandy, do you want to do
this one?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Best Director? Yes, I can definitely do that. Best Director
Jacques Audiard Familia Perez, Sean Baker for Anura, Brady Corbett
for The Brutalist, Coralie Fargate for The Substance, and James
Mangold for a Complete Unknown.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Thank you now, Peter, you go first for this one.
I think this is laid down mosaic. Go for it well.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
I think Brutalist won't win Best Film, but I think
Brady Corbet will win for Best Director.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Totally agree with you. Yes, and so why is that? So?
Why do you have a director who wins the Ultimate
Prize but his film doesn't.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Well, don't forget that there are a number of people
that contribute to a film. There's screenwriters, there's a production design, costume,
all that sort of thing. So the director's vision is
one thing, but the totality of a film, the whole package,
is the Best Film award, So they can be separated. Actually,

(24:37):
he expressed.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
It very well, very very well. Indeed, I would simply ask, though,
should we not know the vision of the directors at
some point? As reviewers ourselves? It'd be nice to know
that because then you can juxtapose what they say they
are trying to achieve with what they have achieved.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I'm not convinced about that. It's like asking an hour
artist what they were intending to do with a piece
of art and then having to agree or disagree and
formulate an opinion based on that. It has to stand
up for itself.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Interesting. I wouldn't mind knowing that quite frankly, But I
understand your thought, Sandy, who do you think will win?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Who do I think or win? Or who would I
like to win?

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, well, go both? Who would you like to win.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I think who would I like to win. I'd like
to see Coralie Faget win for The Substance. I thought
that was sensationally done. But who I think will win
will be Jacques Boudyard from Mini Perez.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Really okay, yes, fair enough, you think, But me, what
do you think? No? I think that I think Brady
Corbey will win for The Brutalist. I don't think there's
any doubt.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, you might be right. I don't not really put
off The Brutalist. I was really expecting too much. It's
awful when you go into a film with high expectators,
whether you read about it first or whether you just
hear from other people what it's like, or and then
you can't help but to be disappointed if you've got
high expectations, and you know, for a movie like The

(26:13):
Substance that I walked into with absolutely no expectations, I
was totally blown away. The same with Emilia Pereres, the
same with an Aura actually, but The Brutalist. As a
result of the build up, I was quite disappointed with Well.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Let's go to best actor, and in that category you've
got Adrian Brady for The Brutalist. You've got Timothy Chalomy
for a Complete Unknown, then you've got Coleman Domingo in
sing sing, Rape Fines for Conclave, and Sebastian Stan the Apprentice. Again,
I don't think there's much argument here that I will
be interested to see. I think that the performances hastured

(26:50):
out for me were Timothy Shalomy thought it was amazing
as Bob Dylan put five years or five and a
half years of his life into getting that down, pat
that singing as well as the performance. He's a guy
who will win the Best Act to OSK, I have
no doubt about it. His career, the trajectory of his
career has been amazing. So but I and I thought

(27:12):
Ray Fines was very very strong in Conclave, not that
the others were bad, but I think Adrian Brady will
win for the Brutalis. What do you think better?

Speaker 3 (27:21):
A few weeks ago, I was thinking Adrian Brody, But
with the Screen Actors Guild Awards and a few other
events that have been happening, I think it'll be either
Timothy Chalo Maay for Complete Unknown or Ray Fine for
Conclave SCENEY.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I would definitely give it to Ralph Fine for Conclave.
I thought his performance was outstanding, not that the others
weren't great. I'd go Ralph and then probably Adrian Brody.
I think he's a very high contender in this too.
I mean Timothy Shallo May was grow good. I don't
know that it actually required a whole lot of acting.
I mean give it to him for his learning to

(28:01):
sing like Dylan in the acting. He just had to
underplay everything. So I'd definitely go Ralph or Adrian on
this one. However, in saying that both Common Domingo and
Sebastian stan did the Apprentice were also fabulous.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Did you like a complete unknown? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
I think another one that I had my expectations built
too high. I thought it was okay, it wasn't. It
wasn't amazing. I thought it was too long. It was
quite a good story, but I didn't think it was outstanding.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Best Actress Cynthia and Arrivo for Wicked. You've got Karla,
Sophia gascon Familiar, Perez, Mickey Madison, Mikey, Mikey, hang on,
don't we use that on trains by? Sorry it's Mikey,
Is it okay? Mikey? I apologize, Mickey there's no sea.

(29:00):
Sorry about that. I apologize Mikey Mikey Madison for a nourra,
Demi Moore for the substance, and Fernanda Torres. I'm still here.
I'm still here. You just saw that as well, Sandy.
What a performance by Fernanda Torres.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Eh, I haven't seen it. That's the one I have
to say.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm sorry, I apologize.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I know I'm going to go. I'm really going to
quickly go.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Okay, well, if you need to go, you need to go.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
I know.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Demi Moore is going to win this one.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yes, I'd love to say that.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Whight't that be great? I really in terms of you
think about this and Pamela Anderson, who also came back
to prominence in terms of the movie that she's just
starring in at the moment, the two of them, I mean,
this is the year of the Resurrection, Peter, how religious?

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Can you get it?

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Exactly? Exactly? Now? Don't well, don't you think Demi is
going to win?

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Look, I'm a big equivot. I'm equivocating about this. I
think it would be no for her to win. But again,
based on some other awards that are made happening, I
have a feeling Mikey Madison might win it.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I mean she was brilliant in an aura, no question. Look,
is there any sentimentality amongst the voters? You know, the
members of the Motion Picture Arts and Academy. What's it
called again? That the full book title?

Speaker 3 (30:25):
He has the associates associated, It's the Academy of Motion
Picture Arts and Sciences.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
That's it. So is there no sense of career here?
They make a decision based on that year? Or do
they not? What do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Well, when you say they, there's over eleven thousand members,
so you'd have to survey each of them to find out.
But because it is such a diverse membership now and
a much broader membership, I don't think sentimentality comes into it.
I think it's a personal opinion from each of the members.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, I think it does come down to those two.
What about you, Sandy.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Quote? Do I think I would like to see DEMI
want more win for the substance, So she's in my mind,
the standout. You know, I don't think we should overlook
Cynthia or Evo for a wicked either. I think she
did a sensational job. Mikey Madison, I think she was
really good, but you know she's I think she's got
another fifty years of acting where she can win one.

(31:31):
So I would really like to see them. And it
is pronounced to me, not Demi, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (31:35):
It is to me? You're right, I want her.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I'm rooting for Demi Moore.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
You're rooting for Demi Moore. Okay, let's let's good.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
And can I just add one thing, Sandy, never call Raife? Fine, Ralse,
you will tell.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
You off I would do with somebody if my parents
had called me Ralph. I wouldn't like that, either to
be like we're full birthdy.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Or say we've offended every Ralph listening to us now.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
But ever ralph listening doesn't call themselves Rafe. Why does
he even call himself Rafe?

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Well, because he can? You know, names are made up.
There's an X in every third name, now, isn't there? Right?
I mean called Ralph.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
His parents clearly intended for him to be called Ralph,
not Rafe. He's just modified that because he could.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Right, we're presuming, but we don't know that, do we do?
We help?

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I think the real story behind rape fines his name.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yes, there is some Irish background to him, and I
think that's why it's pronounced Rathe.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Well, you know, I'm going to call him Ralph. He
can tell me what.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
We'll have to have a conclave to discuss this.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Now best supporting actor we have got Eura Borason in
An Aura as Igor Kieran Kalkan Are Real Pain, which
was nowhere near as good a film as it needed
to be excellent film.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
No, how could you say that, Peter.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
It was an excellent film and is getting awards left right.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Excellent about it. My trip to Poland was far more
interesting than theirs.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
There you go. See, I don't disagree with you, Sandy.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
I'm sure it was so rubbish.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
He was.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Karen Carlquin, who is nominated for Supporting Actor, was really
good in it, but he was at song character he
played in in succession. He's always the same. But I
can't believe you liked that film, Peter. I've lost the
mat lo to respect for you.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Now why?

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Because it was so well written by Jesse Eisenberg, who
has used his anxieties and issues and post Holocaust sort
of situation to fashion a much more inviting story for
a younger generation. I think it works extremely well.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I mean they didn't even go into the house. They've
gone all the way to Poland to see the grandmother's
house and didn't even enter it.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
The what the Yeah, I I totally agree with you,
so Andy. I sat there thinking what where he's fuss about?
And I having said that, I also applaud Karen Kulkin.
I think he's going to win, by the way, the award.
But Edward Norton was really good in a complete unknown
guy Pierce a really showy role in the You didn't

(34:20):
like it?

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I hated gride Peers and the Brutalist, but that was.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
The whole idea. No, no, but I didn't.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I didn't like his acting.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
I thought he's he's acting.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I just saw him. Did you say you've obviously seen
the movie inside the Australia now that he acts brilliantly
and that I would give him the award for that
foot role?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, I was going to say roll for sure, but
I thought he really over acted in The Brutalist.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
I didn't like, don't agree.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Paid for this big role? Here to do to discuss,
aren't we we bet?

Speaker 1 (34:54):
And for once I don't like agreeing with Peter about anything,
but on this occasion as I do agree with the
because I thought he played the role as he was
asked to play it. And I mean, there's this sort
of belligerent person who barged his way through life, right,
That's that's the role in the brutal Is. Having said that,
there's also Jeremy Strong from The Apprentice, So Sandy who's

(35:15):
going to win Best Supporting Actor?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Kieren Caulkin will win it, Yep, he seems happy for him.
I like him, but he can't. I don't think he
can play anything else other than that for Signa. I
think that's probably who he is. Is a bit like
Debora Faness. She can only ever play deborly Faness. I mean,
and if you know her, you know that's who she
plays each time. I think Kieran Culkin's a bit like

(35:37):
that too, having seen his other stuff. But I yes,
I think Kieran Culkin's going to win it. Although I
do like you were a Borisov in Honora too. I
think that was quite good.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, I think Kieran had a more substantive role. Not
that that make anything, you know, that's not a guarantee.
Peter Kieren Definitely Kieran Colgan okay, Best Supporting Actress Monica
Barbaro for a complete unknown, Ariana Geronde for Wicked Felicity
Jones the Brutalis, but me Isabella Rossalini for Conclave, and
Zoe Saldana laid down misre for Zoe? Isn't it Pete?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Absolutely? She's got it one.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
I mean, and she did it in various languages. She danced.
She's saying she just does it all, doesn't that? I mean?
It's such a prominent performance. And quite frankly, I reckon
she should have been nominated as Best Actress and the
other way around in Carlo Sephia Gascon should have been
Best Supporting Actress. What do you yeah?

Speaker 3 (36:39):
That was up to the studio.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I know, I know, disappointing in that regard. I thought,
not that I've got anything against Carlo Sephia Gascon. Do
you think Zoe will win it too?

Speaker 2 (36:50):
I think she's a shoe in because the other's role.
The other roles as Best Supporting Actress were really minor roles.
We didn't see a whole lot of any of them.
Grande has a shot at it. Hers was quite a
large role. I think she was quite good in Wicked
Felicity Jones in The Brutalist, Isabella Rousselenni we hardly saw
in Conclave, and Monica Barbaro complete unknown, unmemorable. So yes, definitely,

(37:16):
zois Holdana for a million pairyers.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Monica Babaro is a terrific singer, beautiful singer in complete.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Well, then they should give her the Best Singing Award.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Okay, let's go for the next category being Best Original
Screenplay and Nora The Brutalist A Real Pain September five.
I wish September five be nominated for more awards. That
was an extraordinary film. And The Substance. So we're talking
Sean Baker, Brady Corbet and Mona fast Vold, Jesse Eisenberger

(37:47):
Real Pain, my Ritz Binder, Tim Ferlbaum co written with
Alex or by Alex David for September five and Coralie
Fargate for The Substance. Okay, this is a tough category.
I reckon, I haven't got a real handle on it.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
What do you think, Sandy, I'm definitely going the Substance.
I thought that was very original. I remember when we
talked about it, you reminded everybody that it was kind
of similar to I can't even remember what, but it
was a bit like something that had happened in the past.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
But I really liked the.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Story in the substance, and I guess this is what
that award is for. I would go the Substance, but
I think that the Brutalist or no, I think if well, yeah,
the screenplay of the Brutalist was actually yes, it's an
original screenplay. That's a good one too, And I reckon
Jesse Eisenberg might pick it up for a real pain.

(38:43):
I wouldn't be happy about that, but he might.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Okay, so what about you, Pete.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I think Jesse Eisenberg will win it for a real pain.
It's getting awards for the screenplay, but the backup, of course,
is the Brutalist.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, I'll go the Brutalist. Brady Corbay and on a
fast foal. So Best Adapted Screenplay, Conclave's got that one,
hasn't it. Peter Strahan based on the novel by Robert Arra,
complete unknown, James Mangold, Jay Cox based on the book
Dylan Goes Electric by Elijah Wald, Amelia Perez, Jacques Audiard
collaborating with Thomas bidegain Leah Missius and Nicholas live Chi

(39:22):
based on the opera libretto Amelia Perez by Jacques Audiard
the novel Ecoute by Boris Raison. How's that? I mean?
I'm reading directly off things. I've lost the next page.
This is not gonna Nicol Boys, Sing Sing are the
other two? What are you going for there? Beat?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
There's a lot of love for the film Conclave. That's
why I'm thinking it'll win Best Film, so I think
it will win Adapted Screenplay and Sandy.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I'd really like to see Sing Sing When the adapted screenplay.
I thought that was really well done and very under
a pri preciated film. I thought the story was fabulous
and they've done it really well. I'd love to see
them when.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Well, okay, well fair enough. We haven't seen a lot
of the best animated feature films yet, seeing Flow this week,
Inside Out too. We've seen Memoir of a Snail actually,
and The Wild Robot was really good too, and Wallace
and Grommet Vengeance, most Foul Pete. Have you seen all
of them or not? Or only four of the five?

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Four of the five. I'm waiting to see Flow. It's
a tough one because it also just won Best Animation
at the Cizar Awards, But I think Wild Robot will
run with Flow as a backup.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, I think I agree Wild Robot Sandy.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I'll go inside out too on this one.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, it's been very very popular, hasn't it. It's done
remarkably well.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
And it's an adult film that kids have been flocking
to and young adults just can't get enough of. Similarly,
Memoir a snail, I have to say, but I'd go
inside out too.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
And I think The Wild Robot is what a proposition
that really surprised me when I saw that, Pete. It
really sort of took off no pun intended, But I
thought it was a really strong story and it was
quite compelling.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yes, yes, it had a nice mix of sentimentality and
family sort of issues and so on. Yes, I agree.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Now there's a number of these we haven't seen as well.
I haven't seen The Girl with the Needle. This is
best international feature. Go there, Pardon me.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I was really hoping you'd want to talk about this.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Yeah, Amelia Perez Flow, Amelia Perez from France in Spanish, Flow, Latvia,
The Girl with the Needle, Denmark in Danish, and I'm
still here Brazil in Portuguese and The Seed of the
Sacred Fig German. So it's a hell of a combination
of international features. I actually hope that in the future

(42:02):
we're going to get more international features nominated for Best Film.
I'm surprised that we're in twenty twenty five and that
hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Peter, Well, there's still that focus on American films because
it is the American Oscars.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Don't forget no, no, exactly. So okay, let's start with you, Sandy,
where are eating?

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I think you would the hands down. I would give
it to the Seat of the Sacred Fig. Now it
says that that comes from Germany because its director had
to flee Iran before the film was released. He had
already been jailed a couple of times for films he
made in Tear Run before this one, and the expose

(42:46):
that this provides of the treatment of women in Iran
is just sensational. The mix of actual phone footage with
the story of this family whose.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Father was don't tell me because I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
It's the best movie out It is powerful. I can't
stop thinking about it. So it doesn't really come from Germany,
except that he's found exile in Germany. It comes from
Iran and it is fabulous, the Seed of the Sacred Fig.
I would go for that hands down.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
And it's in Persian as well, so you've seen it, yes,
Farsi rather than Persian.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
I have seen it. And it's a German production because
there was no money to produce the film in Iran,
and of course, as you said, Sandy, the director was
not able to make the film legally, so Germany stumped
up all the money. That's why it's a German entry.
And look, I would like Seed of the Sacred Fig

(43:45):
to win, and my backup is Amelia Perish.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Okay, that's yeah, Well again, I wonder you don't think
I'm still he is going to again. I thought there
was a remarkable You don't think that's going to feature.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
I don't think so. I think it was a late
entry to some extent. And there's no buzz from variety
about the film in terms of winning an award, so
I don't know. It looks a lot of these awards
are wide open and expect surprises. But yeah, I'll go
with Seat of Sacred Fig.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
With the media.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Peis is back up.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
And I haven't seen it, but because of the chat
around it, I think the Seat of the Sacred Fig
seems to be the popular fancy. In terms in terms
of the Oscar best cinematography, it's always a challenging one,
and this is one where I think a film like
Dune Part two, which looks pretty spectacular, could fare pretty well.

(44:47):
You've got the brutalist Lowell Crawley, you've got June Part two,
Greg Fraser, Amelia Perez, Paul Glame, Maria ed Lachman, which
I thought was actually a disappointing film, not good, could
have been and nos Ferratu, which was quite again I
didn't particularly love it, but it certainly was atmospheric. Jaron Blashkey.

(45:15):
I suppose, I'm I'm thinking maybe June Part two. What
do you think, Pete.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
I think brutalists will win cinematography because of its use
of camera angles and different approaches.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Sorry, yeah, we're talking. Yeah, perhaps perhaps correct. Maybe I'm
confusing production design or whatever with it.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Yeah, I think June will win visual effects.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Visual effects. Yes, that's sorry, that that's what I confused
it with. Yes, you're quite right, because with visual effects,
Alien Romulus better Man June Part two Kingdom of the
Plant of the Apes and Wicked. Yes, I agree. I
think that's the one that I confused it with, So
I'll go Brutalist as well, Sandy, for there's Brutalist.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
For cinematography, I'd actually go nos Ferratu. I thought that
was fabulously shot, and you know you mentioned Maria. I
don't understand why it's been re released about a month
after it was previously released. Is that to coincide with
the Oscars?

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Peter, Yes, it is. The producers decide to re release
films if they get some nominations or whatever.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
And it might do better the second time around. Yes,
and I think they'll be disappointed. Yes, I go nos Feratu.
I'd like nos Feratu to win, but I think you're right.
The Brutalist is going to sweep that one up. And
for visual effects, I would absolutely have to go either
Better Man or Wicked. They were fabulous. But then again,
I think June Part two is going to get that too. Unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Now, what I want to do at this point, and again,
there's all sorts of betting agencies that take a bet.
I don't want to take a bet. But what I
want to do is I want to give you the
odds for the pictures, not that we're encouraging bettings. So
folks don't think that I want to bet you want
a bit in the There has been a year I

(47:02):
picked everyone bar one in all the major categories. But
it's rare, so you know, it doesn't It doesn't happen
all the time. Now, I've got no idea about one,
you know, one thing versus another. The one that I've
looked at in the past, and this is overseas obviously,
is something called odds checker o double ds checker, because

(47:27):
that also talks about the history of the betting. I
don't know why, and I'm just having a look here.
The problem that I've got with this when I'm now
looking at it is there are so many numbers here
that I'm not sure what the current betting is based
on based on this, I'm just having a look at

(47:48):
the Well, we'll start there with the best picture. We
may not go through all of them, but we we
the There is a strange figure here which makes absolutely
no sense to me. It basically has Conclave as the favorite.
Well actually no, it's got Anora at nine to four on,

(48:09):
which makes that the favorite. Anora is the favorite apparently
for Best Picture. Conclave is the second favorite at three
to one, and then this is a really weird number,
eight hundred and forty three over one hundred. I've never
seen that eight and forty three, So that's sort of
eight point four to three to one, right, and then

(48:32):
then it blows out after that, very strange. I'm not
clear on that at all. I think I'll take the
previous numbers, which were Anora number one, Conclave number two,
the Brutalless number three are complete unknown at number four
and that was fifty to one, and you can forget
the rest, right, So does that surprise you that Anora

(48:53):
is the favorite?

Speaker 4 (48:55):
No, it doesn't, you, Peter No, because it won the
I just think that Good Yeah is the best really not.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Best film, sorry for Mikey Madison. So there's a lot
of love for Anora with the British Academy, and there's
a lot of crossover membership of the British Academy and
the Oscars.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Well, okay, so the next category just happened to be
up is the Best Actor, and basically the Adrian Brady
is a very short priced favorite five to two on
versus two two for Timothy Schallamey Ray fines fourteen to

(49:39):
one as the third favorite for Conclave. So even though
you guys seem to be favoring, very favoring that best actress,
well you'll be very pleased to know. Yeah, absolutely, seven
to four on compared to twos for Mickey Addison, So

(50:01):
Demi's the favorite, and then twelve to one for Fernanda
toroies I'm still here, and then it goes on from there.
Then okay, it's interesting how the various categories are not
necessarily in the order that I would have expected them
to be. I'm not sure why oscars and they where's

(50:22):
the best director? Why can't I find out best director?
Oscar with this thing best Animated Feature while I'm fiddling
best actor? Best director? Here it is best director, it's
a category lower down the page. So best director a
Nora at nine to four on with the Brutalist at

(50:44):
second at thirteen over eight, thirteen over eight, And then
is this I find this best director? And then and
then and then Emilia Perez at twenty to one, so
and Nora versus the Brutalist for the best director category.

(51:04):
Then we have got one. Are the others best? I
bet best supporting actress and supporting actress, we need to
go to best supporting actress. I'll start with and I
reckon this is going to be Zoe absolutely twenty five
to one on. She's basically you put on twenty five
bucks and you get a cent or something like that

(51:26):
for it. If I've got that right, And Ariana Grunde
for Wicked after that at ten to one, and Isabelle
Rosalini for Conclave that's after that, So Ameli has got
that sewn up. And I would be surprised if when
I click onto this page it won't be Kieran Culcan
even more forty one to one on for Kieran Culcan,

(51:48):
ed that's amazing. Edward Norton twelve to one. Tell you what,
you'd be pretty disappointed if you were Kieran Culkin. You
went along to the awards and you didn't win a.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Except those betting agencies are very much like horse racing.
The favorite does not necessarily go to win.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
But has Kieran Culkin not won one of the major
awards in this area? I thought he'd won everything he has, Yeah, right, okay,
and I think I'm not sure about a million PA
pair is what about Zoey has as well as as well? Yeah? Exactly, okay,
so best animated feature. I think I'll go there next.

(52:26):
In terms of the odds, not surprisingly three to one
on the Wild Robot, and then nine or four is
Flow and inside Out. Wow. No, that's that's an outsider,
as his memoir of a snail, So just.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
The way to back an outside? Do I like an underdog?

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I think? I think that's very it's very worthy. Sandy Well,
I hate to say this, folks, but we're almost out
of time. So is there any other trivia that you
want to throw in or any other thoughts about the Oscars?
Do you think, Peter, I'll ask you this. Do you
think that the host what's his name.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Again, Honan O'Brien correct?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Do you think he's going to do a decent job? Yes?

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I do. He's remember seeing some of his shows, and
he's a very clever, astute, well researched interviewer as well
as hosts, so I think he'll be fine and we should.
Speaking of boskers, what about the two time Oscar winner
Gene Hackman, who just died?

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Yeah, so sorry, yes, I meant to. I mean that
was shocking that was shocking, is what sixty three sixty
four year old wife was there one of the three.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Is that the bit that you think is shocking that
he's him at ninety five is married to a sixty
three year.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Old No, not at all. No, no, the fact that
they were no, no, no comment on the age gap
at all. It was more that they all were all
died in different rooms and whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Mystery yet to be sold, isn't it?

Speaker 1 (53:51):
It is well, I mean they've said there's two options
at this point, there were two likely options. One was
gas and the other one was what was the thing?
The other the other pardon me, pills filled pills? No, no, no, no, no, no murder.
Oh no, golly, you're going No. Both of them were

(54:13):
clear substances that that suddenly started appear, That appeared, and
they died without even knowing it kind of thing. Yes,
I don't think that that's no likely.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah, I think it's it's very very sad. I mean
it really sad that, yes, and it doesn't matter what age.
It's interesting. One of his daughters said he was in
good health. The last photo of him, he didn't look
like he was in good health. Did you see that
photo for a year.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yes, well, yeah, I always don't like speculating about health
of people. I mean, it's just a shame that he's
died and has such a great body of work.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Carbon monoxide poison that was the And again it depends
on what you read as to the age of his wife,
but you know with it sixteen three, sixty four, sixty five,
that doesn't matter. It's the fact that, you know, if
somebody was going to live longer and then died in
these circumstances, very very shocking. We got to go. We've

(55:19):
got to go. Let's let's circle the wagons and see
how we did. Enjoy the Oscar ceremony at the Nova.
You can be bitter and twisted. You weren't invited about it, Sandy,
but Net, thank you, Thank you both for your contributions,
and wish you well for the weak ahead, and we'll
do it all again very soon. On First On Film

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and Entertainment,