Jason Guillemette

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Jason Gilmet. He is here.He runs u A P Studies podcast.
Awesome friend. I've known him fora couple of years now and I'm anxious
to get him on the show herein a little bit. First, I'd
like to bring in my co hostTara Diulis You can see Tara right here
on uh live stream sky to ourlive stream on kg R ray. How

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you doing, Tara, Hi Steiterwith Mark D'Antonio. That's right, I
think astronomy, I'm doing great.Tomorrow's Happy Valentine's Day. So I made
a fun little thing for the twoof us to wish all our listeners out
there a happy Valentine's Day. Tara'slike, I'm ready to go already,

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smiley, and I'm looking a littlehesitant, like I'm not sure about this.
So I want to listeners a happyValentine's Day. And I also want
to talk about a couple of conferencescoming up. We have Contact in the
Desert coming up here end of MayMay thirtieth through June third, and you
can find more information about Contact inthe Desert at Contactinthetheesert dot com. And

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also the big move On Symposium inTexas this year, so you can go
to contact or move On Symposium dotcom to learn more about the big symposium
out there in Texas. So thoseare gonna be some fun events great always
always so many of those in thespring or summer, you know, spring
and summer's always off yep, right, right, right, yep, so

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true. So what do you haveto kick us off tonight, Tara?
Well, hey, Katie, watchme pull a human out of a hat.
That's great. Today's meme shows ustwenty five years into the AI revolution,
don't you know? You just seeall the AI the robots sitting around.
Watch me pull this human in thatguidness there. So what you're saying

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is we're like rabbits probably, AndI love bunnies. I have some of
my own. So how many bunniesdo you have? Just one? I
have a little holland blop and youdid the little tiny thing sweet as can
be. So it's sweet too.In another over and meet all your animals
sometimes I'm in Arizona. I'm doingthat. Okay, I'm gonna hold it

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to that, Katie. So it'llbe fun, be fun. So well,
I just want to show you alsotoday what I found on Amazon.
There's some really colorful, excuse me, colorful and charming portraits of alien couples.
This is vaccine and learin. Theseimages are actually puzzles created by a

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company named Cross and Glory. Yeahand cool. All of their puzzles are
extremely vibrant and they have stellar artwork, and so you dive. Isn't that
just amazing? So you just diveheadlong into a fascinating universe with these things.
And there we are with Santara andthe car. I guess that is

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Nimera and dan Tar. I thinkthese are all thousand piece puzzles. And
now's the time of year to dopuzzles like it is your winner. Time
you're indoors. I mean, I'msnowed in a lot up here. So
our guest Jason, he's in Canada. You know they get snowed in a
puzzles. I know. Well,the artwork is striking. All the Crossing

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Glory puzzles are they're so fishy,like so many some of them are that
Zora and the e trucks and thepuzzles are a great way to challenge your
brain. You know, it's reallygood. And then I think up next
we have Mira and Zaric. Ilove just the colors and the colors patterns
will really test your skills at puzzling, right, and especially that like plain

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background. That's when a puzzle getshard. There's nothing to match the pieces
too, so frustrating, it's challenging. It's good for it's good for your
brain's silas and eerily. I guess, aren't they a lovely couple. Yes,
So puzzling can provide hours of funfor yourself or for the family.

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But they're not just puzzles. Theseare portals into another world. I mean,
I just can imagine getting lost inmy imagination watching looking at all these
pictures. So, but you canfind these and more beautiful cross and glory
puzzles and gangs on worlds but Amazon. So I'm gonna check them out.
Work of those two because those wouldbe so cool to frame because they are

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so colorful and vibrant they are,and they have other subjects other than just
aliens. I just should do those. But they have a variety of things,
so I'm so you could find somethingyou like. It's just beautiful,
so oh cool. Yeah, thecelebration of Valentine's Day, all those wonderful
alien fish couples. But maybe theylook like that because you know, I

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think, you know, there mightbe some truth to them hiding out under
our seas and maybe through the throughthe millennia, they're growing gills and such,
and I mean, we do havealiens with suction cups on their fingers
and all these fun little things.At least have a lot of people born
with the webbing web fingers and toes. And you never know, true,
you never know as all right,part of our lost DNA, I guess.

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So yeah, So do you havea Mars case to share with us?
To I do have a Mars case. Let's see. Oh, here
we go, let me get myselftogether. So today's This file contains information
about several cases that might possibly berelated. The first sighting occurred over the
busy airport outside Bahia Blanca, Argentina, and there's Argentina there. On July

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twenty second, sixty eight at twopm. Astonished viewers on the ground saw
a craft circle the field in analtitude of only two hundred feet, apparently
preparing to land. So this isthe airport, and that the people were
outside and witnesses were able to studythe object with binoculars and could find no
markings or insignia except for the threesmall black squares and one larger one.

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So all the witnesses agreed that itsdelta wings seemed far too short to support
a craft this size. So what'sinteresting about these cases is that the fundamental
rule of aerodynamics is that the shorterand airplane's wings are, in comparison to
its overall size, the faster itmust go to maintain left right. So

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these all had this had short wings. So the second case involves a rancher
in Calgary, Canada, who inOctober sixty five saw a small airplane parked
on the ground in his pasture.That's there, been there, It's beautiful.
It was silver gray in color,and it had swept back wings.
So he wrote his He rode hishorse over to the craft and he was

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able to cautiously examine it. Canyou imagine you're on your horse, I'm
gonna go over to the craft.Okay, sorry, I have So it's
in Calgary. So during the CalgaryStampede, they're all running over to the
UFO after on their horses. Ohmy gosh. So the exterior surface was

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like a waffle and it had atransparent plastic light dome cockpit. There were
no visible motors, propellers, orjets. No hold off, she now
that's the next one. Please.Yeah. So there were no identifying marks,
but it was it's there was noidentifying marks of any sort. So
apparently it was built for small pilots, So if you were to catch a

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glimpse of this object passing overhead,you had probably wouldn't give it a second
glance. So so the witness inthat case submitted a light detector test and
was examined by train psychologists. Sothat's interesting case. Yeah. So the
third case mentioned was a sighting inJuly of nineteen sixty eight Here we Go

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Chanel where a woman and her daughterwere driving in Saint Louis, Missouri,
and it was around nine pm,so that was them driving, and then
the object came from behind them,low, slow as a helicopter, but
it was too large to be aplane. It had no wings or you
know, no blinking lights, onlya row of rectangular lighted windows that went

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around something like the body of abig plane. Right. The first thought
I had was like a blimp,Yes, and they thought it was a
blimp, but there was nothing inthe undercarriage of it, and there were
no lights of anything, so therewas nothing they could see underneath, and
there was nothing. But they couldn'tsee the edges of this fair enough,
fair enough, So there you know, always the debunker. Yeah, no,

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but that was a that's a goodthing. You have to look at
everything, so as it passed overheadthey couldn't. They never could make out
the shape clearly because it was notlit. But suddenly it changed its angle
and approach and started approaching a nearbyradio transmission tower, and on approach to
that, it just disappeared. Itblinked out, disappeared, didn't shoot off

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anywhere, just large just blinked out. So wow, in that street,
it didn't like it wasn't a balloonthat popped in so very was an Arizona
that was in Arizona. This onewas in Saint Louis, Missouri. Oh,
Saint Louis, Missouri. So thisnext one occurred also in Saint Louis,

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Missouri. A woman and her motherwere stopped at a red light.
This happened on July third, nineteenseventy two years later, a red light
when they observed what they first thoughtwas a helicopter, same as before,
but it was too small. Andthen there was an outline of a jagged
white light off to the front ofthe craft. So you can see that
there to the left. The entirecraft except the tail, glowed softly pink

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in a crosstached woven straw or waffleeffect. There's a waffle again. There
was a small, stubby, rectangularwing supported by two strut struts kind of
you can kind of see that nearthe top. It was too short to
support a plane in flight. Gosee how short those wings are. So

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the craft turn so only its frontjagged light was seen and that so that's
the image that was looking head onand they could see two tiny silhouettes struggling
to maintain the craft's equilibrium. Andwhat they said was a sudden wind and
then it shot sideways at high speedinto the southwest. So strange that is.

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I mean again, when you lookat that drawing, well, first
of all, I'm thinking ice soundsreally good, I think, But after
that thought went away, I'm thinking, okay, next lot. Is it
kind of looks like a man madehomemade blighter or something like that. Yes,
but then you're talking about this jaggeday and it shoots off at high
speed, so that kind of negatesthat. I don't know, it's so

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unusual, it's weird. Well,all four cases reflect objects with small or
no wings, no identifying marks,and they either disappeared or shot away at
high speed. And what's also interestingis that the two cases referenced that unique
waffle texture exterior of the craft.So that's so cool that you found all

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these cases that have this waffle thing. I had not heard that before.
Really, No, I don't knowany make what is it? And they
were all within just a couple ofyears of each other, so they might
be related, but definitely more worthmore investigation and go to move on dot
Com, get your library card andstarted investigating all those cases that they have
available now, right, we needall sorts of people out there going into

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the archives getting your library card forthis historical data, or going and visiting
David Marler's place, and y doI think that's the important work, like
finding all these common cases that havethings in common like UFOs with pink lights
or UFOs with waffles, or abduction, reports of aliens eating pancakes. There's

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nothing, it happens. It happens, And I think this is an important
part of this field that we likelook at all those cases that have commonalities
and having the Marsh files and nowhaving that available for everybody to go in
and kind of pick your passion.Right, everybody has their own individual interests,
and I just think that's just animportant part of this field. So

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I hope people get more active.You know, it's one thing to sit
and listen to all of us.Ah, get out there and do you
do something. And you know,even if you're just reading them for fun,
it's it's interesting and you might comeacross something that rings a bell to
you or just boks your interest andmay take on a journey you never thought
you'd go to. A lot ofpeople in this field just come into it

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and we're just then we kind oftake this different turn and look where we
are now. So I know,and that's just it. I sometimes get
overwhelmed, you know, with thedifferent things going on in my life in
this field, and I'm like,how did I get here? So be
careful because it could start very innocently. I'm like, just try and find
out what was going on on thatrand, and then all of a sudden,

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you're like, what's going on now? So it could take you places
you just don't even expect, andit takes you down these rabbit holes.
And as a matter of fact,our guests tonight, Jason, I bet
you that's what happened to him.And we're going to find out do we
have anything else? We need toshare or we can we can? We
No, I think we're good.I'm looking forward to him, so all
right, all right, let meread his bioh Okay, Jason Gilmet is

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steadily becoming a renowned figure in therealm of unidentified aerial phenomena studies. Gilmet's
journey began at the age of thirteen, when a life altering event left an
incredible mark on his consciousness. Onthat faithful September nineteen ninety four evening,
as he and his twin brother cycledhome under the evening sky, their ordinary

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lives were illuminated by an extraordinary encounter. Bathed in an intense red light that
appeared from above, they came faceto face with an otherworldly phenomenon. An
oblong school bus sized spacecraft hovered silentlyeighty feet above them, Holy Smokes,
casting an intense crimson glow upon them. This event would forever ignite Gilmet's passion

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for the unexplained and launch him intothe intriguing world of UAPs and UFOs.
Exactly what I was talking about him. Jason's relentless pursuit of knowledge and truth
led him to embark on a lifelongjourney of exploration. He delved into the
depths of UAP and UFA research.I really like and appreciate how he uses

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both terms. You know, it'ssuch a hot debate UFO UAP, We'll
ask him about that. Immersing himselfin books, documentaries, obscure websites,
and online forums with unwavering determination,he sought to uncover the hidden truths and
mysteries surrounding these extraordinary phenomena. Inhis role as the creator and host of

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the highly acclaimed UAP Studies podcast,Jason has provided a platform for experts,
scientists, military personnel, reporters,investigators, and researchers from all corners of
the globe. His podcast has becomea beacon for those who dare to challenge
the boundaries of conventional wisdom, invitingthe best minds to share their insights and

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knowledge. Please welcome to the show, Jason Gilmot. Jason, how you
doing good? You know what atchat GPT helped me with that, and
you read it out loudness sounded reallygood, but I was like, I
cannot credit I couldnot take credit forthat at all. Awesome, well done,

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I appreciate it. Well well done, and all the research and work
you've done. I mean, obviouslyI want to jump right out of the
gate with that incredible encounter with youand your twin brother. Yeah, so
I'm assuming you know you could tellme the location nineteen ninety four. This
is in Canada, I'm assuming itis. But there's been recent new discoveries

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on my part and my family thatI found quite interesting. Tell us then
you hear it here first, exactlyexactly the same location that my twin brother
and I had our sighting or closeencounter in nineteen sixty I forgot the maybe
sixty six. I Anyways, mymom is maybe about eight years old,
nine years old, and it's onlytwenty minutes away from the same sighting that

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where Bruce and I would have oursthirty somewhat years later. But she was
on the lake with her grandfather's fiveam. The sun hadn't risen yet,
they had just cast their their fishingline into the water, and all of
a sudden they get hit by thisintense bread light and above them is a
It's just an intense light. Theycould barely make out if there's a shape,

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and Grandpa panics and he tries tostart the boat, but of course
the boat won't start, and thenthere's a blip, but she doesn't remember
what happened. But the sun's upa little bit higher. The light's still
above them, and both her andher grandfather are just looking at each other
on the boat, and they weresort of days and confused, and she
looks up and this thing just goestakes off. Now, my mother's never
told me that story before until maybeabout a year ago. And the only

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reason she did is because I dowhat I do. But yeah, I
say what I guess that would makeher tell you, But wow, that's
yeah. But she kept like.She said that she told my dad.
My dad laughed at her. Shewasn't able to tell anybody, And so
she asked Grandpa before he died aboutthat event. He said, yeah,
that's not the first time I've seenthem, And I guess his grandpa was

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somebody that they had an interest in. My mom just happened to be there.
But then my twin brother and Ihave had a couple of incidentss together.
Well wait, well, I don'tmean to interrupt you before before you
get to you, before you getinto you and your brothers. I kind
of want to go back to yourgrandfather. For a minute, why might

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you think they would be interested inyour grandfather. Did he have a military
background, what did he do?So my grandfather worked in the mines,
but he was They fought during youknow, they uh, this is weird,
but during at the mines, duringtheir breaks, they would take off
their shirt and they would go andthey would fight, you know, for

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extra money, extra cash. Andhe was the number one fighter at that
place. He was so tough thathis brothers once got him completely drunk,
completely hammered, and the goal waswhen they walked home, they were going
to jump them and finally be ableto kick his butt because he never worry
able to no, he doesn't,yeah, exactly, just like the nineteen
forties or fifties whatever. So hewakes up and he's got a black eye.

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So he's like, oh, myaunt, my brothers need to answer
to this. He opens the door, no morning, and both of them
are black and blue, their noseis broken. He still beat the crap
out. So he was one ofthose tough guys. But the thing is
that I tried to I try tothink about it now, knowing who he
was a little bit that would havescared the crap out of him, because

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that's something that's not normal, andhe would have known that he could handle
a man, you know what Imean, just fine, no threats there.
But that's a completely different story.And even though my mom told me
that, and I just keep thinking, how many people out there have similar
stories that they never told, right, we we're talking in a millions,
like across the globe, right,So yeah, it's fascinating. That's a

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really good point. And maybe that'swhy ET was interested in your grandfather because
they're like, man, that guy'stough up. He's mining our minerals that
we need. I don't. Imean, who knows? You do know?
All of us know it runs infamilies. It tends to well,
Calvin Parker was very similar to mygrandfather, Right, Calvin Parker is the
only person that I know abductee thatpunched an alien, only one that I

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know like that takes that takes guts. Right, maybe your grandfather did too,
We just don't know where he doesn'tremember. I mean, oh no,
I think it's scary. Yeah,but I mean if Grandpa had seen
one, my mom's seen one,my brother and I've seen one. Like
obviously it runs like there's no way, Like, why are the odds of

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us all having these encounters, reallyclose encounters, like where something's above our
heads. It makes no sense,right, And Katie, you scared the
crap out of me last time youwere on my podcast. Okay, you
don't remember this, but I do. Okay, it got burt in my
memory. I told you this storyabout my brother and I and you asked
me, well, there's any missingtime. We were at the end of
our podcast. You were about toleave, friends coming over, and I

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said, uh, You asked meif there was any missing time. I
said, well, no, Idon't really think so. You said,
well, do you ever ever dreamsof abductions? I said, of course
I do. Like look at thefield that I work in. You're like,
yeah, you were probably abducted.I gotta go, and you logged
off. You just logged off?What hilarious? Who does that? All

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the rest of my after do AndI'm like, what you mean? That's
hilarious? Okay, Okay, we'reall going to figure it out here tonight.
Okay, So what happened to yourbrother and you? Oh, well,
here's the thing. When we werewhen we were little, we moved

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out to be see in Quebec allthe time. And it wasn't because my
parents were in the military. Theyjust were poor and they kept running away
from the bill, so they thoughtit was easier to move in between provinces.
That's not the problems. The mailboxreally fast. Yeah, you don't
even have time to remember your address. You know you're gonna move in a
few days. Anyway, So wemoved out here and it was really weird

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when we moved to this house,and it was a farm area, and
we would always see like this blackdisc off at a distance, just hovering,
and we always thought it was soweird. This is nineteen eighty six,
eighty seven. Maybe no, I'mlying eighty eight because we moved out
of here in eighty seven. Okay, so it was eighty eight. But
we could always see this black disk. We were always wondering what I was
doing because it would stay there forlike an hour and not move, and

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I thought maybe it was a remotecontrol helicopter, like you try to reason
things out when you're a kid.Sure, so we kept seeing it over
a period of a month or two, and then one day my older brother
yells, guys, guys, comeand see it. It's right here.
It was three houses down, justhovering above a house. So again my
brother told me this, my olderbrother, because I phased out that memory

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goes dude, Yeah, we sawthem there, and not even a few
years later, my brother and Ialso end up on another farm and there's
a dilapidated barn and behind the barnthere is a big field that's not really
cut, the grass has been overgrownstuff like that. But we're playing in
the field and there's a round thingabove us. All we could see is
just a black circle. Well that'sweird, so we run across the field.

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They would follow us across the fieldlike almost like it was playing with
us. We'd cross again and itfollow us, and then we got scared
and we because it stayed above us, and it went and just took off,
never made a sound, just tookoff towards the other town at the
other end, and we freaked out. We ran home. So those were
the two incidentss in BC. Thenwe moved to Cadillac, Quebec, which

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is listen, the town is sosmall that if you leave town to go
get groceries, they have to changethe population sign because it's that small.
Right, but it's a mining town. So when my brother and I I'm
a home. It's a late September. I'm thinking mid September, late September.
This is the same year, samemonth as the aerial school phenomenon Tip

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place. So we're almost home andwe cut across there's a skating rink and
it's just a whole gravel field,but there's no lights or anything. It's
just dark. And then we seethe road of mobile homes where we lived,
maybe about two hundred three hundred feetaway, and I'm being doubled on

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the bike because we're poor, sowe may do with what we had.
We had one bike, where twinsyou may do. So you have Did
you have the banana seat? Nope? No, no, no, it
was great, straight up the buttlike it just someone to sit on the
gears like it was uncomfortable, likea whole days out, like you would
feel at the end of the day. But all of a sudden we get

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hit with this intense red light.I keep it on. We're in a
dark area at this point, andit's so bright that we can't we can't
look up. We have to lookdown, and I can't even squint my
eyes open looking down to see whatit is. It's that bright, but
you actually my eyes adjusted and Bursahas stopped the bike. At that point,
every rock around me, the hairon my arms, everything was lit

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up red, bright red, asif my vision had just changed the red.
And initially your thoughts, you know, your mind processes things very very
fast. It tries to reason itout. For some reason, I thought
it was a transformer on top ofa telephone pole that had blown up,
because if you've ever seen those thingsfull up the light up the night sky.
But it wasn't. When we lookedup directly above our heads about eighty

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feet is this buzz shape size Iwould say it's like fifty four feet or
more, but it's not fifty fourA little bit smaller than I'm sorry,
bus size, school bus size thatsits fifty four people, is what I'm
meant to say. But it wasjust yeah, it was just hovering above
us at eighty feet, cutting thisperfect red light on my brother and I

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and it was no light bleed.Like if you put a flashlight on the
ground, you'll have your main spotand around it you have light bleed.
This did not have that. Itwas perfectly, and it just yeah,
we just looked at it and justthe underneath it, and it looked like
the light came from the actual craft. There was no spotlight. It came

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from the craft was generating the light. And then it just silently flew away
from us. Never heard a soundat that close of range. It went
above the row of mobile homes andit's still shining the light. It turned,
followed the row of houses, shiningthe light on every house as if

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it's scanning the houses and the landand everything around it. And then it
disappeared over the treetops, lighting everybranch, every tree trunk on its way
out. And I just remember distinctlythinking, remember this, remember this,
you need to remember this. JustI focused on that, and I think
that's why I remember it. Butthe audit thing is is that we don't

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remember what happened after that. Wedon't remember telling our parents, we don't
remember ever talking about it until maybeabout twelve years ago. And when I
mentioned it to Bruce, I thoughtI was opening up to him because I
thought it was a friend of minethat was with me. I had totally
forgotten it was him, So I'mlike, hey, I had like this
incident and there was a red lightand he's like, yeah, you idiot,

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it was me, all right,Yes I was wrong. Some of
my memories a little askew, butyeah, that was an amazing, kind
amazing thing. It's interesting, Jason, that you said it it's a bus
size. That one Mars case thatI was talking about earlier, one of
the ones in Saint Louis. Whenthey looked at they said it wasn't a

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blint, but it was the sizeof a bus. I failed to mention
that. And it looked like abus because it had those rows of windows
along the outer edges of it.So kind of interesting. That was in
sixty eight, so that's kind ofaround that period. Well, even the
one they shot down in Alaska isjust now coming out that it was cylindrical

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shaped, maybe the size of acar. But these shapes are very common.
It's not just the orbs that we'redealing with where it's like a cigar
shape. I saw one up close, so I know they're there. Cool,
but yeah, that's that's weird.It's like, why that specific shape.
And throughout the ages, I mean, UFOs keep changing. We have
discs we have almost looked like aboomerang. Then you got so it's either

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different species or they have different brandslike Forge Chevrolet of UFOs Vans. Don't
go to the what's interesting something wehave in common too? You know,
my grandfather back in Wisconsin over LakeComo in the early sixties had a sighting
of oblong shaped craft over the lakeand Lake Como that was investigated by Jay

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Allen Heinich. And I'm still adamantlytrying to find that case because it would
be just so cool to have forfamily history. But again, yeah,
there we have a grandfather. Andthen my mother, my father, my
sister and I witnessed the same allbomb shop shape craft going from you know,
Wisconsin to our home in Illinois inRichmond, Virginia, and she said,

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we pulled over the old sixty sixViewett and I was just a little
baby at the time, you know, just I was born in sixty six,
so that was probably sixty six,sixty seven, and sixty eight in
those years in the little seat,and she said it was like catatonic.
After that, you're like mesmerized bythe lines in the middle of the road
where they're like shaking me, likeKatie snap out of it, but the

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same kind of thing. I'll blounchip Craft, do you. Yeah,
I mean so Canada in general,and I just tell correctly if I am
wrong here. But recently I heardthat the population of California, the state
of California, is actually larger thanthe whole population of all of Canada.
Was that about right? A millionis what we have in Canada? Thirty

(30:52):
three million? What do we havein California? Somebody should look that up
really quick. Well, yeah,probably a lot more than you saw.
So well, So my point beingis that it's pretty sparsely populated, right,
There's so much open country and lakesand trees and rivers and beauty.

(31:15):
I've never been to Canada's on mybucket list of to do. I've got
to get to Canada. But I'mthinking that what a what a place for
et to hide, you know?And like you said, a mining maybe
if they're coming down to mine andand what the question I have for you
if it felt like they were scanningthis road of homes, what in your

(31:38):
opinion? First of all, doyou think they're looking for specific types of
people? And if so, whatkind of types of people? Okay,
here's the thing. That's really weird. You have never I have never read
heard or even heard mentioned of acycle path or social path being abductee ever.
Yeah, so people there such AndI'm not saying mental illness, like

(32:01):
you could be bipolar or have SKEITCHOPHRENDII'm being abductee. That's fine because it's
not based on that. But it'sbased on the person's capabilities of compassion ability
for arts. So usually it's artisticpeople, people very open minded. I
used to talk to myself all thetime as a kid, and that was
weird because you know, I hada twin and I should talk to him.

(32:21):
But you know, I paint,I draw, I read, and
yeah, so everybody that is inthat line that has that sort of mindset
that is open creative, it's likeyou have an open source and somehow those
are the people they target. Andlike I said, like you have people
from different walks of life, butthey all have similar traits in common.

(32:44):
Animals love them, they love animals, They're compassionate, they feel other people's
emotions. But a lot of peoplearen't like that. That's that's very rare
people percentage of people. But thoseare the people that are saying look I'm
being taken now. I was talkingto Tracy Don't and recently with Rechel Dolan.
She mentioned, well, it mightbe related to the right brain left

(33:05):
brain, because if you're left brain, you cannot fathom the idea of extraterrestrials
or different experiences that happen to you, So you would completely dismiss it.
Your brain cannot even if that happenedto you, you cannot remember it.
But if your right brain your creative, you're open, you will remember those
visuals because you are visual. Thisis how you interpret things, and you're

(33:25):
open to it, so you willremember these experiences. And I thought,
well, that's a different take onit. I never thought of that,
but maybe that would help you explainto you. Well, when we do,
we hear so many musicians, actors, artists that have these connections to
this other realm, whatever it maybe. Move On symposium. Everybody there's

(33:49):
an artist or a musician of somesort, Like I talked to it at
mofon does something it's crazy. Yeah, Well there's there's some thought. A
lot of these people that have theseivities, some of a lot of that is
developed by trauma in their past,and you know, maybe it's some kind
of skill set that they use,perhaps to get through some of these instances.

(34:12):
When you see a craft with alight, you know that's not easy
for people to comprehend, and itmakes us maybe disassociate and become creative.
Well, there's what we do toourselves psychologically and then what they do to
us. And I think that combois deadly and we'll let anybody forget.
And you mentioned that like trauma.Yes, absolutely, when I was a
kid, there was trauma. Iwas poor, dirt poor. I mean

(34:37):
I had to joke around that homelesspeople used to give us change. You
not kind of poor, but butit's true. And if you go somebody
needed to give you guys an extrabike, somebody buy yourself something to eat.
Making me feel bad, but it'strue. If you know, there's

(34:57):
different things. The other thing isbeing in that path is you grew up
in a house with somebody who wasvery volatile, whether it's your mother or
your father. My father was veryvolatile, so I had to watch every
single move. Yeah, you haveto watch every single move twitch in their
faces to know what mood they're in. And my father was very mentally ill,
but not on medication. He wasborderline, which is horrible to live

(35:21):
with. But you know he wouldgo from laughing and grabbing the table to
flipping it over with all the dennerontel. He can't never know, right,
ye, But you you learn toread people their mannerisms. Like if
you're at a party and there's thatone person that's not in a good time,
your whole night will be focused onthat person because that person is a
threat in the room. That person'snot enjoying themselves. That's so true.

(35:44):
Yeah, but those you're right.I grew up with an alcoholic father.
Rest in peace, Dad, Butsame thing. You didn't know what dad
was coming through that door. Youknow, you don't leave this table until
you finish everything on that plate,and you know, food around the edge,
and then they lift the table,bathroom and all sorts of tricks.

(36:08):
But I totally get what you're saying, and you do get real sensitive two
very subtle things. And I dobelieve that does play a role, because
I've heard that over and over manyBut that's something that you develop and that
you're forced to develop. You're developingit. You know, there's aspect to

(36:30):
our beings that that we need tounderstand that there's probably more than just five
cents. Is there's there probably isthat sixth sense. And I do think
that your energy goes past your body. So if you know, when somebody
comes up to you and you feeljust that person's up to no good,
they're smiling, you know, likeserial killers, they'll do that until you're

(36:50):
in a van. Right. Butif you feel that energy, it's there's
a reason you're feeling it. That'syour sixth sense. Song you I pick
up on something that you're a theircues or other visuals aren't aren't picking up
and that's super important. And Ithink that has something to do with this
phenomenon as well. Yeah, that'sa question I have for you speaking of
that, because you're right, thesixth sense is so important. Do you

(37:13):
recall in those years when you're experiencingthis, you know, your brother Bruce
and yourself, did you experience anyother like paranormal things, shouted figures,
anything like that? And can youtalk about that because I think they're connected.
I don't know about you, butI'll do. I'll tell you one
that's funny because it involved the wholefamily. Because of me or because of
me, I found out later thatthe house that we lived in was haunted,

(37:36):
but I didn't know that when welived there. Nobody told us that
I'd been a murder or some crap. I don't know. But we always
ended up in those houses, yeah, exactly, as we were poor,
we always ended up. Nobody elsewanted them fifty people homicide, that's fine,
it's my bedroom whatever. Yeah,going on. The movie cycle was

(38:00):
shot here. The Uh. WhatI found funny is is one night I
woke up and I could hear thesink in the in the kitchen. No
please, I I always wanted tobe a snap convenient, so it gets
I heard the laughing at the tragedy, We're so sorry, laughing with you,

(38:23):
not at you, all right,exactly. We always kept our door
open in his house, and Ihad a straight view of the kitchen,
and I heard the tap in themiddle of the night, and it's dark
right right, So I'm like,what the heck. I get up and
I just looked, you know,on the side of my bed, and
I see my twin brother. He'spouring himself with a glass of water,
but he's looking at me as ifhe was expecting me to see him.

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And he's wearing my favorite T shirt, so he's because we're twins. Was
not to share shirts, and Ialways wanted that specific shirt, but it
was a red sweater with a stupidshoe on it. I don't know I
was obsessed with it, but Iwas, and it was always listen,
they were stylish shot at the time, but yeah, he was one of

(39:06):
my favorite sweater. And he's lookingat me, and then he starts smiling,
and I'm like, what are youdoing? And he's not answering me.
He just keeps looking at me.I'm like, what are you doing.
I'm getting mad at him. He'smy twin. I'm allowed and I
hear from that side of the roomwhen he's talking about Bruce just woke up,
and I look at him. He'slike, why are you yelling at
me? And I look back inthe kitchen and he's still there with the

(39:28):
shirt, looking at me, withthe smile on his face. But this
time it's as if he got caughtdoing something nasty, and I freak out.
So I leap back in the bedand I tell Bruce, look at
the kitchen. Look at the kitchen. He did, but not much.
All he saw was the dish rackwith a knife sticking out, and his
mind made a guy holding a knifefor this. So we both start yelling

(39:52):
at this point because I think thathe saw himself. You know, he
didn't tell me something out of theknife, and he doesn't know what the
hell is freaking out about. Sobecause of that, we woke up my
dad and rescue us. Yeah,but it was weird. It was just
like you get different vibes like thattoo, Like you know, you find
out somebody's been murdered in the house, you're not really comfortable, and you

(40:15):
tend to see things like even thoughif it's real or imagined, the phenomenon's
still real, sounds like a doubelganger. It was. It was,
and why my twin brother, becausehe knew he was a butthole and that
he always bugged me. So butyou know, there's different things like that
too, and that could attribute thatto maybe it was some weird sleep thing

(40:35):
because I woke up out of deadsleep. But it's just weird that I
heard the faucet and that's what wasbugging me, was that the fawcet wasn't
turning off. The faucet was neverwrong when my dad got out of the
bedroom to check around the house.He's like, no, Plus, we
had a big, great data atthe time. He's like, if that
was a natureder in the house,the dog would have known. I'm like,
yeah, but he was bruised mytwin brother, you wouldn't have done

(40:55):
anybody exactly. No, that's theonly other time. My twin brother,
Bruce is a huge believer in ghosts. He watches all the shows and stuff,
and I'm more on the side ofup's aliens, of course, And
for a long time I didn't lookat anything ghosts related, skin Walker related,
Bigfoot. I didn't care. No, it's only UAPs because that's the

(41:19):
only thing my mind was set on. But the more that I researched this
stuff, the more I'm like,damn it, they're all related, right,
They're all related, and I don'tknow how, but they are.
And we need different fields of studies, like you were mentioning, Katie,
everybody needs to step in. Ifyou're an artist or you know math,
or you could help with biology,like anything you could contribute to helps pile

(41:43):
up this massive, massive issue thatwe have that it like you were talking
about the thousand piece puzzle. Thisis like a million piece puzzle and different
pieces of the puzzle that are notreal to that puzzle. They're meant to
mislead us. And it's confusing,But that's exactly what euphology is. It's
a try to put a puzzle togetherwhen people are trying to deceive you at

(42:05):
the same time. Right, takepieces away, give you false pieces,
and I get stuck. I getstuck and believing in you know, new
videos that pop up. I'm like, wow, this is amazing. I
still get stuck on those sometimes,you know, like I'm so mad at
those people for doing such a goodjob of those fake videos. Well we're
almost so hopeful to find something real, you know, sad we want to

(42:25):
look at them and disc because it'sbound to happen. Like the phoenix flights,
it's bound to happen again. Andif that's the case, you imagine
this time around, having thousands ofvideos from different angles, from house cameras,
doorbells, to you know, peoplethat are gassed up at a gas

(42:45):
station, Like it will be irrefutable. And do you think the eteam knows
of our cell phones and cameras andare they going to try and hide away
from them, so maybe it won'thappen again in a big populated area for
that reason. I don't know.I'm just asking if you think that I
think they know we have technology.I think whatever it is, the craft
itself, it's so weird, butthe crafts tend to be conscious and they

(43:08):
know what you have on your person. They could even understand sometimes what you
think or control your thoughts. Likethere's an event of a black triangle that
goes above This was in the seventies, I think above a drive in movie
theater and nobody bats and eye.They just look at it. Nobody panics,
and it's Super Bowl commercial. Yeah, but it's like, why why

(43:31):
don't we panic? Is it thatwe are comfortable with them? Or is
it that they control the situation.And even in my grandmother and grandfather's case,
like you know, the blip thathappened, they unless they go through
it, not a regression or somethinglike that, I don't think they're going
to know what happened during that time. But so many people call that and

(43:51):
calls encounter that there's a blip andwhatever happens within that blip, like some
people end up being sick radiation Burns. Why what happened during that time?
And then, like you mentioned,you asked me Katie if there was any
missing time. I really don't know, because have you ever considered hypnosis?
Yeah, I reached out to somebodyrecently and I'm really debs she might do

(44:15):
it, but I don't know.I don't know I'd be interested in it.
It's just if you find out yournactual abductee, then you know,
it's like, I'm already scared mywife by doing this podcast. I don't
want to add to it, right, so I might keep it to myself.
I don't know. And I thinkon the topic of hypnosis, I
mean I got to know the pioneerdoctor Leo Sprinkle, PhD. At a

(44:35):
Laramie and Wyoming quite well when Iwas researching the ranch, and you know,
he was really well known for hypnosis, and so he put me under
for an hour and a half.And I would encourage you, Jason,
to do it just for the experiencealone. But I still question, like
is that my imagination coming out?But what make sure if you do it,

(44:57):
make sure you get you know,a couple of recordings, because if
your one recorder fails, you havea backup right, But make sure you
record it for sure, because theway I was speaking through that hypnosis and
the tone of my voice changed toa little girl's voice. So would be
interesting to see if you ended uphaving that like childlike kind of memories.

(45:20):
Because how old you are? Thirteen? So if you're talking again like a
thirteen year old through hypnosis, Imean, really, what's going to come
through? I think fascinating to seeif that would come I see the UFO,
it's above me. No, it'sgoing direction. I think it's interesting
too that you mentioned animals, becauseTara there has a lot of animals.

(45:45):
I if I you know, asa kid, same thing. I was
making my own dictionary of animals.I mean, if I could do any
other job, I should have workedwith animals, you know, I mean
big animals. Gorilla is my favorite. And you too, you said you
loved animals. So I find thisanimals. Yeah, I've never heard anybody
right. My wife is jealous ofthe dog. Yeah, the dog.

(46:05):
I cuddled the dog all the time. She's constantly the dogs fed up of
me. You know. I almostfeel like she's going to start with me
too, on me because it's justI'm constantly on that dog. But yeah,
I love I love animals. Ithink I get along better with animals
anything else. And even animals willpick up like if a person doesn't like
dogs, the dog doesn't like thatperson. There's usually a good reason.

(46:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, soyeah. I think animals are assigned that
there's something good about you, thatthere's something that the animal senses or sees
et picks up on that, ormaybe they're looking for people and their nurture.
They're crazy animals on their planet.Like we have all these animals,
we need people that are good withthem. I'll tell you. I'll tell
you a crazy story. I waswalking at a river, uh and it

(46:51):
was in a really remote part.But there's a lady come coming towards me.
She's maybe about one hundred feet away, and her dog just leaves her
to lab. He just leaves orher side and he runs towards me,
wagging his tail. I'm like,oh, aren't you beautiful? And I
just started and as she approached me, she looks at me weird. She
goes, you must be somebody specialbecause in seven years he has never done

(47:12):
that. Ever. Oh I don'tagree. I was so honored that the
dog had broken the rule for me. But there is something about you know,
if you're genuine, if you're agood hearted person that comes across.
Maybe not with it our own species, but animals can pick up on it,
right. It's it's good vibes.But in this day and nature,
I think we need all the goodvibes we can get. Oh, don't

(47:35):
you know it? Hey, youknow you had talked about UFOs and UAPs
and maybe you can help us allunderstand because you're kind of using both terms,
it seems like. But I alwaysthought the UFOs was it was flying,
So UAPs is it because they're notdoing flight maneuvers that they changed that?
Well, see, they changed itbecause obviously the stigma UFO came with

(48:00):
a bunch of baggage that they themselvescreated over the years. I'm sorry,
but it's a self created problem.So they're like, well, no,
if we're going to address that,we need to change the name. But
to me, yeah, UFO wasalready always an unidentified flying objects and that
was what we've always known it as. But recently there's been developments of just

(48:21):
weird things like the orbs that sortof seem to defy it's not an aircraft.
And they'll even merge together. I'veseen one here INBC, three of
them, one of them dropping onthe mountain and two of them just merged
together. And it was like,oh, is that possible? And that
is the phenomenon because it's like,Okay, it's aerial, but it's not
a craft. And people see weirdthings, weird shapes, portal looking stuff

(48:45):
like it's a phenomenon. But youknow, even saying UFO it is wrong
because we're only saying that it's flying. They're in the water as much as
they are in this story, orthey're landed. There's a meme going around.
I just saw it today like ifyou identify a UFO, then it's
just a u O. And ifit's landed, yes, the object,

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Oh my god, I have aquestion. Couldn't they be in the mountains
too. We've had guests that saythey've seen the objects where like the ground
just opens up, our melts andthey go in and it just comes back
as if drive right through it isif the mountains not even there volcanoes,
so it's not just water or air. But here's the thing. I think
it steps outside the boundaries of ourreality and things that we are capable of

(49:35):
doing. They're not limited by that, as somebody had mentioned or did.
I finally understood the concept, butsaid, you know, if you draw
a drawing of a stick person,then a box, and you say the
boxes a safe, and you puta dollar sign inside the box. Now
the person the stick man outside thebox, to him, the box is
closed. It cannot be open.It's all four sides are closed. But

(49:58):
you're a third dimensional. You couldpick the dollar sign from inside that box,
and that two dimensional creature would neverknow how you did it. Imagine
now that you have layers of dimensionslike that. Right, you think dimension
number three affects you when you livein dimension number nine, it's not the
same physics, it's not the samereality. And I think we need to

(50:20):
come to terms of saying, Okay, we live in a lesser vibration reality,
and these things appear like gods becausethey are technically living in higher dimensions
than we are. You just getto show up, yes, exactly,
indistinguishable from magic. Right, itsounds like the past. I don't have.
I think that's a chair behind you, Jason, and there could be

(50:43):
something sitting right there, right now, whether it's a relative, you never
and you never know. You wouldn'tknow because we see such a sliver with
our senses. And even people thathave out of body experiences or near death
experiences, they're like, dude,you have no idea. Like when we
came, we didn't want to comeback because it's coming back to a lesser
frequency. We were in a higherfrequency. You're like, oh, that's

(51:05):
cool. At least there's something tolook forward to. Yeah, I hope.
But we do live in we're verylimited because we only have the five
senses that we're given, and that'sonly to operate in this realm. We
don't need another other senses because wedon't operate in those other realms. And
I think that's the terrifying thing forus, is that it's alien to us

(51:27):
for a good reason, because wecannot wrap our ads around it. That
we're not designed to do that.So, however far we get with these
studies, and you know, whetherthey're interdimensional, extraterrestrial, or all of
the above, the amount of activitythat is happening globally as we speak,
worldwide with these things is non stop, NonStop, and you've got to think

(51:52):
about how big of an operation thatis not only for the crew that is
needed to operate these things, theoverall costs if there are any. Yeah,
and the one that freaks me outthe way they don't have money on
different planets, Well, they probablydon't operate that way. I think they
need to be different. They're nothumans, We're stupid. We got to
come up with some sort of system. I think they know if they're telepathic

(52:14):
too, they will all work together. Because if I could read your both
your minds, all three of uscould accomplish amazing things. I would have
all your knowledge, you would haveall of mind. I would understand your
feelings. You would never be hurtby me because I'd be hurting myself.
I imagine an entire planet culture thatworks that way. How nice, Right,

(52:34):
we have about four minutes until break, and when we come back from
break, we're going to play anevening on Earth with an extraterrestrial but with
four minutes left to that point,to your point of if all of us
could read into each other's minds,or if we have neural link and we
could just download what's in the computersand the Internet and all that knowledge,
which maybe someday we'll be able todo that and maybe within our lifetimes.

(52:58):
And I think the reason we're seeingprogress now. And I don't know about
you, but I want to knowif you have hope of maybe making some
leaps and bounds in these fields ofthe unknown. And I'm talking not only
UFOs but paranormal all of it,cryptids. Do you think having access to
the knowledge, to the Internet andnot having to go through these libraries and

(53:19):
books like we had to not solong ago, do you think that is
going to propel us to these answers? I think so. I think what
we have to watch out for islike usually with like the books that we
read, there's an editor that youknow, the facts have got to be
straight, you got to show thatyou did your homework. With the Internet,
you don't need to do that.So it's very easy to be deceived.

(53:40):
And with the people that have beenkeeping this secret from the start,
they're at it every day. Theygot people online creating things, false information.
There's still the you know, they'readapting with the times, but there's
still the old tactics of disinformation andor it's real information, but they throw
it in when there's so much crapgoing out that nobody pays attention to it.

(54:02):
Every time a war starts or abig thing happens, they drop a
uap piece of news as you noticethat Trump is being at Peach by the
way, piece are real? Youknow, war has a by the way
are real. They do that constantly. It's like, oh, you guys
are tricky, but they do that. They look for opportunities to drop just

(54:22):
nuggets here and there, and likethe collective, you eventually pull the information
together. So who do you thinkthey are. It's either they're protecting a
very scary reality from us that's somethinghorrible that we can't even imagine. Or
they're selfish and they're traders and they'reusing the technology for themselves with holding the

(54:45):
information of reality for the rest ofus lying omitting. So there's there's only
two possibilities here. There's no third. It's either they're in it for themselves
or they're hiding it to protect us. There's no who are they though?
Organizations special programs like you know RichardDody at this time, like they've trained

(55:07):
people since then. They yeah,they got plenty of people, says then
they know what they're doing. Butit's you know it's non stop, and
they spend billions of dollars every yearjust in these programs. Who knows how
much it goes towards keeping us silentor you know, keeping things out of
the news. A lot of moneymust be spent, yea, they spending

(55:27):
for it. It's taxpayers, right. You said we couldn't really wrap our
heads around all this. Is thatwhy? I mean? But it doesn't
matter. So does that mean therewon't be disclosure because we'll never be able
to comprehend it even if they tellus. Well, it's the panic.
So when the so called virus appeared, everybody here locally ran for the toilet
paper. I don't know how thetoilet paper got introduced in this, but

(55:50):
it was like, don't it's theend of toilet paper. Get as much
as you can. They're going tostop making it during this virus. And
it was stupid, like people arepunching each other in the face. That
cost go over toilet paper. Toiletpaper never start coming. There are newspapers
and we have alternative leaves. Idon't know that. You know pine cones,

(56:10):
you know, yeah, we getthe job done though, right,
all those little scoops. But whatyou know. That's what I think is
the biggest problem is that you know, individually we're smart. Collectively we're idiots,
and we react in herd mentalities likeyou hear people all the time like
why did you participate in you know, when they have riots, like I

(56:31):
don't know if everybody was doing it, you felt like you need to do
it. There's there's innate things thatwe do that are built in that we
deny that we have, but theyare instincts, and we follow instincts with
the rest of our species. AndI think if instincts of panic spreads across
the globe, even though we've beendoing it for years, will start getting

(56:52):
panicked too, because they're normal conditions. Right. These guys have studied human
psyche and all that, so theyknow how we work right right right on
that. Let's go to break andwe'll see on the other side. Gotta
do the dance, all right,all right, we'll go back. Okay,
there's lingering. Everybody got their toiletpa, I have my toilet paper.

(57:15):
I think I'm scarred from that wholeincident because if I get even a
couple like Rolls short, I panicstill toilet paper ptsday you run out of
toilet paper and you find out thehard way, you know what I mean,
Yeah, that's not good, andyou find out the hard way there's

(57:35):
none in the grocery stores. Idon't know if this is one of the
rolls they have, this new fancyroll. It's like the edges. It's
like pretty fancy. I feel likeI'm in a hotel. Okay, before
brilliant we do anytime you can feelfancy, that's funny. I mean that's

(58:01):
that's a good like like make everythingspecial, you know, glasses, garnish
your food, everything, whatever youcan do. What toilet paper, That's
that's when you know somebody is doinggood financially. You know, you can
always tell how somebody's doing financially bytheir toilet paper. Yes, I've been
in your bathroom. You got one, c how are things going? And

(58:22):
I've never been in a person's housewho has a golden toilet, not yet,
but that's on the golden toilet.Why all right, So let's play
an evening on Earth with an extraterrestrial. It's just a fun little way to
get to know Jason a little bitbetter. Okay, so et comes down,

(58:43):
I'm gonna throw in A new question. I've never asked this question before.
You're the first, Jason, Butwhat what type of et would you
like to be dining with? Somany species? Good point? Now would
I be eating or would it beeating too? You're both gonna be eating.
You're first, any Larry, whereyou're going to be dining, you're
going to be sharing a meal?Okay, I would want to do the

(59:06):
Grays. I think that they're theones I'm more focused on. So great
new question, Tall Gray? Howabout tall all right, Jason's meeting with
the tall Gray? Where on theplanet would you like to meet with this
tall Gray? New Zealand? Oh, beautiful Lord Rings right right in Hobbiton.
That's where I wanted to be,right, I'm a huge Lord of

(59:29):
the Rings fan. Actually behind meis all my Tolkien stuff. Same on
this side, you're I just dothis professionally in the back, you know,
look, look legit, not likea geek. Oh that that's me
too. As a matter of fact, we just got done watching the whole
extended thing and then they have theappendices, so there's like three six,
like nine hours of all and it'salmost better than the Moon's Luscky you can

(59:53):
have a Lord of the Rings podcast, Better Watch It podcast idea. Oh,
Jason, okay, so we're inhobbiton. This is great with the
tall gray. What are you guyseating? Mm? What are we eating?
I would say poutine because I'm CanadianPoutine. I don't know what that

(01:00:16):
is. It Poutine is French friescheese curds with gravy on top. Okay,
it's a Canadian dish. Now younormally have fries with you know,
gravy. That's fine, but addthe cheese to it. Add the cheese
to it, cheese curds, notgrated cheese. And you have it everywhere
in this this country, like yougo anywhere, and it's addictively good.

(01:00:38):
But it is also very fattening,so don't eat too much of it.
Yeah, but it's standard. Yeah, I gotta write this on my go
to Canada and eat What did youcall it? It's called poutine, I
say, Katie, Okay, okay, thank Vladimir Putin and you got poutine

(01:00:59):
there you go? Okay, interesting, I gotta try that sounds delicious,
yeah, I bet so. Andso, what music or what song would
you play for the et Texas floodby Stevie Raylan nice, right, Stevie,
Yeah, be Texas flood by StevieRayvan would be would be playing.

(01:01:19):
And now you guys are all filledup on your gravy fries with the Kurds
and you're gonna watch a movie.You're gonna sit on the couch and hobbit
in the little bitty couch that theHobbits sit on. You're watching a movie.
What movie you're you gonna watch?Clothes Encounters? And I'm gonna say,
how close are we to this?Yeah, that's a good way to

(01:01:40):
sneak in a second question because youonly get one question. So other than
that question, what question would youask your tall gray friend Larry? Are
the equals are equals? Yeah?Because in our own species we're not equals.
There's hierarchies in many different things,and then sub hierarchies within that.

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So are we equal to them inthe way that our life means as much
to them as it means to us? Are we equal in respect mutual mutual
respect? Or are we beneath them? Right, there's no way we're above
them, So it's either one ofthe two. But yeah, I'd be
very curious to ask them them.That's a great question, and that brings

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me to something that kind of triggered. So the last week or so,
we've been going through a lot ofjust historical documents, you know, apro
journals, all all sorts of stuff. I came across an interesting document that
talks about and you you brought thisup before the break, that perhaps the
truth that they're trying to cover andhide is so shocking and going to be

(01:02:51):
so damaging to our world views,I guess, and that we couldn't handle
it. And one of this dogone of these documents that came across is
said that ET is using us orusing us for our souls, for food
and that kind of thing. Doyou do you believe that that could be

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true? And do you think that'spart of what the cover up is about?
Something horrible like that? No,I don't actually believe in a threat,
thank you. Yeah, I don't, because there's so many cases where
compassion or sense of humor was detectedwhere a person is freaking out and it's
like given Whitley Steber and the femalelooking at it, he said, what

(01:03:34):
can we do to make you stopscreaming? Like they actually care? Or
medical procedures that are done, theperson doesn't know why, and it turns
out they had appendicitis and they justhappened to find it while they had them
there, so they chuck it outor healed from a disease or like there's
just yes, understand that some peoplehave been injured, but I don't think

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it's the same eats. I thinkthere's different forces and I think people depending
on who you run into wrong placeright time, depends on what event is
going to take place, and whetheryou have something that's benign, compassionate,
or not compassionate at all. Andlet's face it, there has been major
non compassionate situations, but a lotof the time it's aggression that showed towards

(01:04:18):
them first. I mean, keepin mind, we fire on them,
like even the Alaska shooting and whathappened here last a year ago, we
fire on them. They didn't fireon us, and there was no signs
of aggression, but we shot ahalf a million dollar missile at it to
bring it down. My biggest concernis who's calling the shots be on the

(01:04:39):
scene, because there's people saying,let's shoot them down and get more of
their technologies. They're making decisions forthe rest of us, and maybe it's
not the best decision to make atthis point because there's no way they're just
going to be passive and let itgo over and over again. So if
they have the capabilities of, youknow, completely shutting off some which I

(01:05:00):
think Kevin Knuth just mentioned that theSoul Convention there about the New Zealand submarine,
they have the capabilities of shutting planesdown, but we haven't shown but
they have showed no no signs thatwe know of of aggression unless we try
to target them first. That's theonly time I've ever heard of any conflict

(01:05:24):
between the two now, much lessthe conflict that we are bringing on them.
But we're bringing on ourselves because we'renot going to play fair, and
whatever technology we have, we're goingto use against us. Right, it's
about how can I gain alien techto use against my own people? And
that's the horrible part of this.It's not their schedule, it's what what's

(01:05:45):
our what's our agenda ultimately with this? Right? Yeah, that's with anything
with the government, you know,it's about how they can use it,
I would think. But this soif I want because I'm wondering if you
think that the grays could be AIsome kind of artificial intelligence, and maybe

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even some of the other objects.She said that the crafts have a consciousness.
Maybe that's artificial intelligence. And doyou think this intelligence might have evolved
enough to know that it doesn't havea soul and that's why we're trying to
harvest Well, here's the thing.I thought about this too, and at
first I thought along those lines.But there's certain people like recent I was

(01:06:30):
talking to Susan Alloway and she wasmentioning when she touched the gray and she
smelled her fingers, Oh gross,and it read her mind and it said,
no, not gross. We arethe same. So they're telling us
that somehow we are related. Theysay, we are you and you are
us. Why do they say that? Does it mean that the souls inhabit

(01:06:53):
different Like what if the souls arethe same, We just inhabit different species
at different locations. And the wholepoint is to raise global or universal consciousness,
regardless of the species. We don'tknow. There's so many theories we
can throw out there. But again, the compassion them making somebody stop screaming.

(01:07:13):
Terry Lovelace when he was on thetable and he said he's yelling,
which I would to keep in mindI would do. And the doctor maybe
you did shut up, he said. The gray looked at him. He
said, oh, be quiet.You know, we always put you back.

(01:07:33):
Oh that's what those little things thatpeople say. And that's what my
focus is on is the entities.Yes, I care about the technology,
but the technology must pale in comparisonto the entities. Imagine what their cities
look like. That's just the craftthat you're in. Imagine what their civilization
looks like. The technology the thingsare capable of doing, but the entities

(01:07:57):
themselves. If we want to knowwhy they're here, we have to look
at the dutees. They're the they'rethe people that we're going to find out
what they're up to. Why dothey follow family lines? What's their interest
in that? And why? Likehow do they know you move from Quebec
to b C and they find youlike there's no like do you have a
tracker? And they said, well, we could find you anytime we want,
Like you could go anywhere, We'llfind you, even the remote abductees,

(01:08:20):
Like I said, you know ifyou have a tracker, But real
quick to your point, Jason,and you bring up a great point here
that perhaps we our souls entered differentAnd we had a guest on Debbie solaris

(01:08:40):
right, and Tara you had afew meetings with her, And isn't that
what she kind of suggests, perhapsthat our souls can inhabit different universal species
throughout the universe. Well, Ithink that there's theories to that too,
that there's this universe is capable ofall sorts of type of life, and
there could be parallel you verses oryou know, all sorts of things.

(01:09:01):
But it's it's all about a source, a single source for all of it.
And some of the theories are thatsingle sources love and that frequency of
love and that compassion that you're talkingabout Jason. So and but the thing
is, if someone's alien, you'renot going to read like we're talking about
reading people. You're not gonna beable to read and the alien's motives or

(01:09:24):
intentions. But the fact that they'recontinuously in your mind, they know what
your thoughts are, they can talkto you, calm you down. Like
if they were not compassionate, theywould have no objective to do that for
you. They wouldn't care and whenthey're done doing whatever they doe to you,
they could shoot you out the airlock. There's no reason to bring
you back to your bed and tuckyou back in, do you know what
I mean? So when you startto think about it, yes, it's

(01:09:45):
traumatic, you know for the experience, whether it's during the day, at
night or whatever. But they bringyou back and for some reason the abductees
over time say like it's some sortof agreement, like I agreed to this
somehow So is that before you camehere in this lifetime? And if so,
then how deep does the implication ofthe UFO phenomenon does it extend it
to death? Is are they awareof when you're dead? You know what

(01:10:09):
I mean? Like it we haveto open our minds and the possibilities of
how big this goes and the reasonwhy it's being kept secret interesting? Do
you, Jason, do you orBruce or both or either feel like you've
been monitored and watched and sort offollowed throughout your life? Do you feel
like this is why you're doing whatyou're doing. No, I don't think

(01:10:30):
that have been monitored. But Ithink my philosophy is that we you know,
and I'm going to get all spiritualhere. But we come here for
a reason. And Katie, youchose to be Katie for a reason.
You chose this person. You arenot Katie. You're a different entity than
Katie, and you'll identify different thanKatie when you're out of your body.

(01:10:50):
The body is like a car.Eventually the car breaks down, but the
driver gets out. The driver alwaysgets elegia forgot you got and begin with
right. Yeah, But that's that'smy thing. I'm like, you know,
I do have frail health. Ialmost died twice within the last three
years. Never told the listeners.Been up in ICU for you know,

(01:11:13):
diabetes related complications. But while I'mhere, I'm going to do this because
this is what I came here todo. This is what I chose to
do and devote myself to it andlives behind the scenes. And you guys
know this. It's messy. Wehave families, we go through financial issues,
but we choose to come back tothis and why because it helps people.
If I'm able to connect people orconnect the dots for people, and

(01:11:36):
I do have that, people reachout all the time, and my heart
just like gets bigger and bigger becausethese people are saying, did you've helped
me come to terms with this oryou've shown me to join mof on or
whatever it is? Like that wasthe whole goal. That's the point.
It's the effect and touch somebody todo something else. I may not be

(01:11:57):
the next nick let Tesla, butthe guy I'm able to influence it might
be right. So then I didmy job. And that's why I look
at life. We all have ourlittle task to do and let's do it.
That that means you're for the rightreasons. Yeah, I do.
We have more of you. Imean, we have people out there muddy
in the waters, and I meanand that, and well they agree.

(01:12:20):
I mean I love connecting with peopleand hearing their experiences and just everybody collectively.
We're all trying to kind of justgraping our heads around all the open
here. But they say, thegood die young, so old people must
be really bad. My mom's ninetytwo. What did she do? No,

(01:12:44):
just kidding, I'm sorry, Mom, that's not good. It's not
nice. Jason, how important isit to you to know the truth about
what's going on? For myself,it's it's the only thing that really keeps
me. I would say going issaying, you know, if you know
something to be true, if youwitness something to be true. And for

(01:13:06):
me it was the age of thirteen, but my convictions is so strong I've
never shut up about it, evenwhen people were mocking me. I'm like,
dude, you have no idea they'rehere. I saw them. Are
you stubborn? Oh I'm stubborn,Yes, especially about things that I'm right.
But I'm honest and if I'm right, I will fight tooth and nail.
I don't care what somebody says.I am right, you are wrong.

(01:13:30):
And I think you know, peoplewant that, espucially in this community.
They got to trust that the persongiving them the information comes from an
honest point of view. And forme, it's like the podcast when I
first started. Katie knows this becauseshe was gracious enough to join me when
I first started. We know eachother for a few years now. You've
been on it several times. Butit's very near and dear to my heart
because when I first started, moveOn gives you a book that's maybe about

(01:13:54):
a half inch stick, and Ithought, there is no way I'm going
to learn eufology in this out ofpages. So I said, why not
why not reach out to people thatdo this, like Katie and have them
on and learn how to do investigations, learn what I'm doing instead of coming
at it. Look, I knowwhat I'm doing right off the bat,
I don't. So I started thepodcast because I thought, well, why

(01:14:15):
don't I just record what they sayso I could listen to it again.
That's the case, why don't Ishare it with people? But I think
the concept was there at the righttime because it blew up really fast,
which to me I'm still amazed at. But the vision is the same.
And I tell that to any ofthe co hosts that come on, and
we have doctor Michael Glossan on,but I tell them it's about the subject,

(01:14:38):
not about us. That people comeon the podcast, we ask a
question, we shut up, welet them talk, right, It's about
learning and no discrimination, and we'lldefend any of our guests. Somebody comes
on, somebody says something nasty aboutthem. Gone, you either. You
play by our rules, which wereshowing that be a gentleman, be ic,

(01:15:00):
be classy. That's what we needin this field. Twitter obviously is
not reflecting that at all. Stayaway from that, I hear so many
bad things. I'm terrified all thetime. I don't know why, Katie.
Every day I argue with somebody,I'm like, why why I do
this? Yeah? I shouldn't.You shouldn't have to. That drains so

(01:15:21):
much of your energy and it reallyit's what's sad about that to me is
it takes away people's passion to findthe truth and to find well, each
individual person. I don't want tosay truth, because each individual person has
their own perspectives and their own truthsand their own values and what they're going
to do with the information. That'swhy I said kind of like find your

(01:15:43):
niche and I would like to know, Jason, through this process, how
you found an area in this fieldthat is kind of like your wheelhouse that
you're more interested than others. Andwhat is it? Down abductions? Is
down abductions? Okay? Yeah,that is my main focus of study.
If I ever write a book,it's going to be on that. Yeah.

(01:16:03):
I love. And the thing isbeing a visual artist. I painted
that painting in the back there,but being a visual artist. And that's
from Travis Walton's point of view whenhe woke up because he said they had
the three entities around him. Yeah, I got the suits wrong though they're
black and he said they were orange, so I got that wrong. But
it looks more menacing this way.But I draw what the person says they

(01:16:30):
saw. If they're on the table, say I saw this, I saw
that, so I recreated and Iask them details. One detail I always
want to know is the smell.Can you please describe me the smell,
right, because it's the closest partof your memory in your brain. So
if you could trigger the smell,it could trigger a memory, same way
as when you walk in and somebodymeet cookies and it reminds you of Grandma's

(01:16:51):
cookies, right like, it's justit triggers that. So it's rare though
that I get a smell description.They'll remember the visuals, the pain,
mostly the pain. They'll remember that, they'll remember a conversation they had,
but they can't tell me that thesmell. But if they do recall the
smell, there's always a smell ofammonia or pe in a diaper, Like

(01:17:14):
you know, if a soiled diapermixed it with like almost like a parmesan
or a cheese. That's what therecent the exactly I don't mind you taking
me in the middle of the night, but the smell I brought. Yeah,

(01:17:36):
but yeah, it's very interesting thedetails that they say too, And
that's the part that I'm always fascinatedabout, is the what are the entities
saying to these people? You know, obviously people being hurt and pain is
never a good thing to remember andsaying, look in their presence, I
felt a lot of pain. Thatsucks. But is there a purpose behind

(01:17:57):
it? There has to be apurpose behind it, Like why do they
and especially with people who have beenabducted their entire lives, why is it
that they start almost amicable as kids, like they come and visit them and
talk with them and almost seem likefriends. And then when the child goes
through mostly women go through adolescents,now all of a sudden, the dynamics

(01:18:18):
shift and becomes more like medical procedures, very interested in her biological ability to
mate to reproduction. And then itchanges and throughout the lifetimes they have different
experiences and then they come to gripswith more and more information, but only
at the end of the cycle.And then by the time the women will

(01:18:42):
go through menopause, there's no morecontact. They stop because she can no
longer reproduce. Yeah, and that'sfascinating. It's like, okay, so
they're why are they so interested inthat? Because we birth people, we
birth souls. Maybe they don't,right. Maybe that's a fascination about this,
is that we have a capability ofwhat they can't do. Maybe they've
messed it up in the past.Look at what we're doing now amongst our

(01:19:05):
own species. So you know,multiply that about a million years. What
does that do? But it's veryfascinating. And men, it's the same
thing, but men will have lessalmost sexual related abductions cases like they'll be
seemen taken out, but the mendoesn't feel an orgasm. It's just taken

(01:19:27):
out and then they're shown around theship or some along those lines. One
theory, though, that I wantto mention to you is twins. Twins
are of high importance to these things. Yes, yeah, because recently even
Ross Coulthard mentioned that the military solvedthe problem on how to fly these shifts
that they have by using twins.It's the connection that twins have that another

(01:19:50):
person doesn't have. And I knowthat because I'm a twin brother, I
know the connection to my twin,and I'm like, okay, so maybe
it's that mental that when we're sayingthat the ship is almost it's conscious,
right, And even when you havepeople saying like Favor David Fravor saying you
went towards it, it pivoted towardsit like it knew it was coming at
it, almost like the ship itselfis an animal, and then it runs

(01:20:13):
circles around you and you know ithas fun with you. But that's the
part that's crazy. We can't dothat in the jet. If you want
to turn, you're turning for likea mile or so to be able to
make it decent. I think allpeople have that sense of connection or that
intuitiveness with other people, friends,family, mothers have it with children.
But I do know the research showsthat within twins it is definitely a more

(01:20:38):
intense connection. Yeah, because youfall together in a womb, yeah,
right, and then you both cometo a mutual understanding of each other's presence
in the womb. And then youknow, like even when we see like
little twins that haven't seen each otherfor hours, how they hug each other
and kiss each other. It's likeit's part of them. That person is
part of them. A twin coulddie if the other twin dies early,

(01:20:58):
like in childbirth, the other twinhas a good possibility of dying his wall,
like they need each other. Sobut that again, is a is
a fascinating thing. It's like,what is it? Is it that like
Gary Nolan talks about the basil ganglia, Is it that it's more acute or
more active in twins? Is thatwhat flies the ship? You know,
there's so many questions, like there'sno joystick or anything like that. Even

(01:21:19):
Travis Walton said it was just achair with buttons, like how does that
work? Like how do you maneuvership like that? So yeah, it's
very fascinating, very fascinating, fourbuttons, you know, forward reverse.
But when everybody crashes because it's anew learner, you know, a new
kid, some sixteen year old alienlearning to drive for the first time.

(01:21:41):
I said, park park. Butyeah, no, it's weird even you
know, when we look at theTravis Walton case, we're talking about compassion.
His friends left him after he gotshocked or whatever. His friends bailed
out on him, so they hadnone of their options but to go and
save them because his friends were comingback. They came back later, but
they didn't know that. They're like, we should get out of here.

(01:22:03):
What do we do with this guy? Ah? Crap, All right,
let's save them. And that's whathe did, and I think didn't Travis's
He kind of came to that realizationlater, yes, and naturally he would
because otherwise he said, well,no, there was a light that hit
me and then I was inside theship. Look, you are not a
chosen one. And when I saychosen one, the people they fall through
life. You're a one off.Now, the one offs happen all the

(01:22:25):
time. If you're in the carwith a person's abductee and it's their time
again you're going with or you stayparalyzed beyond the wheel of the car and
you have no recollection of it.But the one offs happen all the time.
Even kids will go sleep over somekid's house and then that kids get
taken at night that the kid's goingto right, they both got caught together
in the same room. You're comingwith. Those are the one Travis Walton

(01:22:48):
case though, I mean, youknow, talk about the Mars. We
had a very large file on TravisWalton there and I remember going and getting
him the little flash drive yeah,and taken it to Travis and there were
things in there he hadn't seen indecades and was like whoa. And I'm
like, are you okay? Becauseyou know we had Phil Class stuff in

(01:23:08):
there and all the things he wentthrough. But I believe to my recollection
anyway, that there was a familyhistory or lineage in Travis Waalam as well.
So again, you know, backin the day, during the film
class days, that might have beensomething people might have seen as negative.
But now I think we've come farenough to know that adds credibility to his
case, not takes it away,because we see this time and time and

(01:23:30):
time again. And the scary bitabout it too, to tell her the
truth is the people that come visitafter the fact, Like how do these
men in black or government or militaryofficial know that you had a visit the
night before or that you're going totalk to someone Like how do they know?
That's the part that you know.And even we interviewed or Ellie Flipping

(01:23:55):
recently. She's the niece of NGOsSwan, and she would tell you that
that there's people that work within thegovernment that have this ability, they know
where you are, they know howto find you. Even in Goswam when
he said, when you come upto sixty or sixty five percent accuracy,
put a note underneath your your padon your desk that says you did it,

(01:24:15):
and we'll come. And they knewit. He wrote it, he
put it underneath it and they foundhim. How these are abilities that maybe
we have that the government doesn't wantyou to know. Maybe the ets and
the higher consciousness opens up the mind. They don't want you to do that
because now that's a weapon they can'tuse. Maybe it's a weapon against them.
They can't control you. It's it'sour senses, and I think you

(01:24:39):
know they're being suppressed as often aspossible. They don't want us to be
aware of the abilities to hope youor be aware of things. And there's
people that are capable of doing thesethings. You know, I don't know
why. Maybe they're just wired thatway or but if we can't toss that
out now because we know the governmentfunded these programs, We know the government

(01:25:00):
wanted to know and looked into thisbecause it's a form of control. Now,
is it related to the et Oris it related to how do we
control the population and making sure wekeep them as dumb down as we can.
You know, create wars, createviruses, create you know, racial
issues, create political issues. Justkeep fighting amongst yourselves while we do what

(01:25:21):
we need to do. And that'sexactly we see it now in twenty twenty
four. Like how many politicians canit included that are dirty? Like Trudeau
is a dictator. It's scary,Like I think that's what happens is that
if the slogan of the podcast isare you paying attention? I know,
love I love it. Yeah,see, if you're paying attention, you

(01:25:42):
can't be deceived because you've been keepingup all this whole time. And it's
not so cool by the way,are you I am now? I am
now because I was cool sounding.I love that old lady British voice that
I do in that open ye.But yeah, no, it's it's super
important. I think this phenomenon isabove and beyond just entities. But I

(01:26:03):
think it has something to do withyou. A person has to do with
what you like. How do theyknow? Like I said, like you
look into some of Katie or somethinglike that looks into cattle mulation stuff like
that, Like they probably have afile on Katie, Like they know that
Katie's active, that she's out there, she might stumble across something that they
don't want her to stumble across.Even for me. I don't think that

(01:26:26):
I have a record with them,but they're monitoring everybody, right, If
you stumble across something on your podcast, Jason, and you were approached by
men of black or whoever these blokesare, what would you do? How
would you react? And would yoube quiet? No? Because I keep
thinking about that, like what wouldI do? Now? The only times
that I think would be freaky iswhen people have described that they come right

(01:26:47):
through a wall or right through adoor, which you're like, Okay,
a human can't do that, orat least not the way we know it,
unless they develop some sort of abilityto do so, so that be
more scary intimidating form. But Ithink they just knock on your door.
The first thing I would do isjust look at them and make sure they're
human, because I heard that theylook a little bit weird, and if

(01:27:08):
they don't look human, I havetons of questions for them. You won't
be able to say anything edgewise tome, that would be an encounter that
to me would confirm that what I'mdoing is spot on if the only thing
if they do that is spot on. And by the way, guys,
just for the record, I'm notsuicidal. So if you find me later
dead, it's sign from a suicide. It's not, it's not, it's

(01:27:35):
but yeah, that'd be a scarybit. Yeah. So well, seeing
or having an encounter with anybody relatedto the subject, I think would be
scary. Can you talk about maybeyour favorite case of regarding abduction that you've
encountered or personally experienced, famous caseor what's your favorite abduction case. Well,

(01:27:58):
there's actually twenty minutes way from myhouse is a city called Aldergrove,
BC. And back in the nineties, this lady was in the backyard with
a male friend or having some sortof coffee looking at the stars on her
patio. Any black flying triangle appearsabove their house. Now Here where I
live, it's nothing but black triangleseverywhere. People report them all the time,

(01:28:23):
everywhere in the valley. So wehave a big problem. But we
live in the Cascade Mountains, sharethe border with Washington State, and I
know for a fact. They're hidingsomething in there. People see too.
Yeah, sasquatch Erison is just tenminutes away from me. So she's hanging
out in the backyard and they getspooked and he decides to go back inside

(01:28:43):
the house. She decides just towatch for five minutes. She does the
craft leave, she goes back inside. He's furious with her. She's gone
for forty five minutes and he left. She left him alone with the kids,
and he's mad. She's like,she doesn't understand, but she was
gone for forty five minutes. Andthen she starts in these terrifying nightmares.
Then her daughter starts talking about thedoctor that comes and sees her at night,

(01:29:04):
and then draws the doctor and thisis only twenty minutes away from here.
And then she says, one night, she's closing all the stuff in
the house. So she goes upthe stairs to make sure the kids are
okay, and a gray comes outof her daughter's bedroom and looks at her,
and she just freezes in the stairs. And then it does this really
weird thing because they move very veryweird. They either hover, it's like

(01:29:27):
they don't use their legs much,but they'll hover or they look like they're
jumping from que position to another,almost like a quantum movement, but all
the way out the window and thatwas it. It was gone. So
they come and go through walls windowslike a one story house orhouse two StoryHouse
window. Yeah, and I canonly imagine. I mean, there's so

(01:29:47):
many cases and you guys have heardthis many many times of how many parents
are petrified because they can't do anythingabout their kids being taken. They know
that they're being taken, can't doanything about it, right, And I
could only assume, like even thatyou know, if you're getting taken with
your children, how much fear youhave as a parent, much more than

(01:30:10):
the kids, because you're like,were my kids? Were? My kids?
Now they're okay, they're behind you. What are you doing? Like
are you hurting them the way you'rehurting me? Like this is where my
compassion for these people come in,because who do you tell the next morning
you got to go to work andlook everybody and smile and do you want
coffee? And meanwhile, you gotthis going on in your life that you

(01:30:30):
don't really have any advice Jason forparents out there that might be having kids,
not only possibly being abducted, butseeing shadows or seeing ghosts or what
advice can you give for parents thatare going through that. Listen, That's
all you got to do is listento the kid and just acknowledge what they're
saying. Okay, and then whatdoes this happen? Does this happen often?

(01:30:51):
Because what happens we instantly Our parentsused to do that. You know,
I'm an eighties kid. If Iwent to say anything to my kids,
my parents like get out of thehouse for eight hours and don't bother
me, right literally, like youhave to get over the house for hours,
so they wouldn't believe you because you'rejust a kid. But if there's
something like that, I saw this, I'll pay attention to what my kids

(01:31:12):
are saying, like what did yousee? Can you give me the details?
What did you feel? Where wasit? Like that's all you got
to do, and the kid feelsat least that you listen to them,
and then you're okay, Well,if it happens again, let me know.
I care. I want to know. Dismissing what a kid sees is
to me is asinine because the kidsare a lot more open to this stuff
than we are over time, we'vebeen conditioned and trained to not do this,

(01:31:36):
not to talk about it. Thekids of it, they're brand new,
they're fresh new cars. They pickup things and signals and radio waves
that we can't right, So yeah, I absolutely think the kids are are
a great way. Like even theaerial school phenomenon. Yes, like those
kids faces, you could tell theysaw something. And again we see that

(01:31:57):
new documentary about that I think goeson that Flix like Encounters or something.
And there was that one witness thatstepped forward and said he hoaxed the whole
thing. What did you think ofthat if you saw it? Uh?
Okay, First of all, theway he was moving and twitching, that's
a drug addict. So I thinkhe was offered money for a lot of
drugs to do that, because whywould you recant that thirty years later and

(01:32:20):
say you pointed to a janitor orrock. The other aspect of it,
too, was the Now she's aprincipal, but she was a teacher and
she said that they showed up inher bedroom about a month later. Right,
did they land an aerial school becauseof her in the first place?
You know, that's the question thatI had. They talked to the kids.

(01:32:40):
Maybe it was just all they happenedto be ery'll talk to them.
And again, this is weird thatone little dude spoke to sixty kids and
gave him all different messages at thesame time. I think about the brain
power or the universal power. Yougot to have to be able to do
that. But they showed up,they took her out. She remembers think

(01:33:00):
it was funny because obviously she wason a small, little thin table and
she's a big woman, so shethought, boy, do they have the
wrong table for me? Interesting?You remember, it was little details.
It's the details, even the BettyBarney Hill when they came in tugging on
her teeth and he was all excitedtalking to his friends somehow, but he

(01:33:23):
was tugging on her teeth. Andthen he asked her, why aren't your
teeth coming out? Your husband's did, and she asked to explain to him
what denures were. So just littledetails like that, You're like, wow,
like who would come up with that? That's crazy. Yeah, So
that's that's the part for me,Like my heart, my compassion is with
abductees because I find them more andeven the one i'm working with right now,

(01:33:45):
Like, I'll show them the artworkthat do I have this? Correct?
Was this the color of your dress? You know what? What was
the environment like? Was it?Sonny? Was it? Like? I
want to know the details as muchas possible. And like I said,
I find the compassion is there,though somehow it might not be compassion the
way we understand compassion, but intheir own way they care. Otherwise they
wouldn't do the things they do,they wouldn't say the things that they say,

(01:34:09):
and the government wouldn't be freaked outabout them as much as they are.
Right, And these abductees that youhave interviewed and talked with, do
you have these projections like you hearthese large rabbits or you know, owls
or animals. Do you hear thatoften? And if so, what have
you heard about that? Well,recently I've been working with Susan Alloway and

(01:34:30):
the jack rabbits. I can't waitto show you the Oh yeah, but
yeah. Initially when she stopped thecar, it was thirty jack large three
foot tall jack rabbits in the road. Oh wow. And when she got
out of the car and looked atthem, they were all just at different
poses. Somewhere up somewhere down,And when the flash happened and it got
blinded and her vision came back,it was thirty grays looking at her.

(01:34:54):
It wasn't jack rabbits. So theydo that though, like even they'll remove
the stars from sky. When you'redriving on the highway, like you mentioned,
the moon disappears. You're like,how is this possible? Like reality
itself changes in their presence, andthat's what people don't understand. You could
recount the story of what happened,but the feeling and what you actually saw

(01:35:15):
are indescribable to people, and unlessthey go through it themselves, they have
no point of reference, so theycannot imagine what you're talking about. But
if we had telepathy, like wewere talking earlier, and I could transfer
those emotions, those scenes in myhead to you, there would be no
denying of what happened. So Ithink that hinders our species more than anything.

(01:35:39):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I justwhen you were just talking about the
telepathy and and and I'm sorry,I kind of got off my tracker.
I guess I let me start over. What knowing what you know? Now?

(01:35:59):
If you were that thirteen year oldboy, what would you do differently
in your life. You'll take memaybe, yeah, But you know,
here's the thing is that for me, it's more the acknowledgment of people in
my life that is more important.Now. The thing is really weird.

(01:36:20):
I've been doing the podcast for fouryears, four and a half years.
I've never met a fan in personon this side of the border. My
in laws don't care about what Ido. They don't understand it. My
family supports me, but they're notinto this as much as possible. So
it does feel alone a lot ofthe time. I know I'm not alone

(01:36:41):
because the viewership is there, sothat's great, but everybody feels that way.
Regardless of how many podcasts you do. You'll feel alone in your field
of study because it is a lonelyfield right now, and we're still facing
the stigma of people that just cannotwrap their heads around anything. People that
are not creative, just simple,they cannot get there. So for them
it'll be a lot more devastated ordevastating when disclosure happens, or when a

(01:37:06):
big global event like the Phoenix lightshappen. They won't be able to handle
that. Those are the people wegot to watch out for the most I
think religious people will handle it alot better than those people. To tell
the truth, I think somebody who'sspiritual can be open to that, but
somebody who's just mentally blocked. Weall know that, you know, CEOs
and cycle paths of big corporations.They can't wrap their heads around this stuff.

(01:37:30):
And those are the people person Idon't really care if they do,
but the general population should know becausethere's nothing the government could do to stop
it. Nothing we could shoot themdown, that's if we catch them.
But if they decide to show upand get you in the middle of the
night, there's nothing you could do. There's nothing they could You can't call
nine one one, right, Soit's an individualistic I would say, even

(01:37:56):
deeper than just your physical body hasto do with your spirit. Who you
are an entity that is affected bythis, And that's the biggest scariest part
of the phenomenon I think that thegovernment won't even broach for a long time,
is the spiritual aspect to it.Let's just admit that they're here,
they're in the water, in thesky. We'll break the news in of
how deep this actually goes in people'slives later on right, Yeah, well

(01:38:19):
you're right. And for me personally, you know this, this creates a
great deal of anxiety, which youknow can be managed to some degree and
stuff. But I personally have hadsome fluorescences show up, which is just
high strangeness. I don't know whatit came from. I don't have any
memory of anything. But you know, like you said, your life goes

(01:38:42):
on nobody else. It's just withyou internally and you're thinking, well should
I care about this or should Inot? And by the next thing,
you know, for or five weekshave gone by, but it's still there
underlying it. And that's for me. That's so minimal to somebody who maybe
have been a or had some otherbig trauma going on. So how people
can manage to live their daily liveswith this and just try to ignore it

(01:39:08):
is incredible, but most don't.To be fair, a lot of people
end up in divorces, They losetheir kids, they lose their jobs if
they step forward and mention anything.And you got to think, like,
how terrible is that? Like youimagine if the me too was like that
that any woman who spoke up gother life wrecked, lost everything, and
the people that be never lost anything, right, So it's like this is

(01:39:30):
exactly the same thing. It's aviolation of all your rights, but yourself
as an entity, your freedom tobe an entity. Are you really free?
Because when they show up, theynumb you down, they do what
they want. Are you really free? And that's when I was saying,
are we equals? Is it thatthey do that just protect themselves because we're
at bigger and we are violent asa species or is it that No,

(01:39:54):
No, you don't get to partakeyour lights out. So that there's so
many question in this, and themore we delve into this, the more
they're like, man, why didthey do that? I can't it's alien
to us. So it's a it'sarm and to grasp I think this is
go ahead terror. Well did youthink it is alien or do you think
some of this is humans as wellthat are doing the abductions? Well interesting

(01:40:19):
lessons, Yeah, there's but youknow, there are many cases where people
have seen military personnel in the roomswith them during medical procedures, people in
full uniform standing off to the side. They're there to observe somehow, So
it's very interesting. Okay, well, they know what's happening to the general
population. Because the people in aDoD are having the same experiences as the

(01:40:42):
general population. Let's not exclude themhere, people in the military, in
the Air force, even we've interviewso many people in the CIA or military.
It's like, yeah, they wakeup in the middle of the night
and there's three of them in myroom. Okay, So that means you're
not excluded, right, So that'sa scary bit. It's saying, Okay,
it doesn't matter that you work forso and so, it doesn't rule

(01:41:04):
you out of their playbook. Sothat's the interesting part. And yes,
there's always there's a lot of humansbeing seen or human like entities being seen.
Even the Travis Walton case, hesaid that it was a tall man,
blonde blue eyes. It was me, guys, it was me.
It was on the ship and escortedthem out. And you're like, okay,

(01:41:26):
so people mention these Nordics or whateverquite often, so the have we
I can't toss anything out. NowI have to look at everything. Okay,
there's a possibility of that. NowI have to go investigate that too.
Like it just keeps piling ups,like books, you know, the
other to read books and I likethat for my my cases or things I
want to research. It's like,ah, that's good to have to go
on a back burner, right.So yeah, Actually terrorist's question is tied

(01:41:50):
right into mine, which is,how often with these abduction cases do you
hear multiple types of species in theabduction? Well, the typical one of
the grays, so the grays,the short grays, the tall grays.
They call them the brown grays becausethere's no other word for them, but
they're brown looking, but they're alwaysdescribed the same sort of like almost a

(01:42:13):
robotic form of movement, like theymove very precise. I'm trying to do
it myself for people listening, butI can move very very weird and very
odd. And then there's the tallones. And the tall ones tend to
be like the ones that are overseeingthings, like the doctor will normally be

(01:42:35):
a really taller grade than the shorterones. But they all work together and
so they don't speak like you couldhear them supposedly. The one case that
I'm really fascinated by Matthew Roberts,I think I had on recently and he
was aboard the limits when the incidenthappened. He became so obsessed with the

(01:42:56):
nimets that he manifested them. Somehowthey showed up in his right and I
was like, okay, So ifyou think about them enough, you obsess
about them enough, do you callthem? Like? What happens? But
is stories similar to another incident thattook place in the eighties or another gentleman
in Australia where they wake up witha female on them in the middle of
a sexual act and they're like,what's going on? But the female's very

(01:43:19):
beautiful, pale, looks kind ofhuman. You can tell about the eyes.
It's not so if this happens tomales. I mean I don't hear
it often, but it's happened toa couple of people across the world.
And females are getting pregnated as well, although the pregnancy don't really normally last
past three months before the embryos aretaken again. But what's the purpose of

(01:43:42):
that then, right? Like whythe breeding program? And much less?
Like they don't want to shock youor they make you think that it's a
dream somehow, but it's not.You know, it's real. The one
gentleman in Australia said the bitter becauseshe put his head in her breast because
he was waking up any bitter,and she got off of him, and
there was another female and you couldhear them telepathically talk to each other saying

(01:44:05):
something's wrong, he's not doing whathe's supposed to do. And the other
lady sell, kay, let's leave, and they left, and he's like,
it's broad daylight. It's like threeo'clock in the afternoon. He was
napping. So everybody says that thishappens that night, only that it must
be related to sleeper else is nottrue. People get taken during the day

(01:44:26):
in the morning, they go towork, it doesn't matter, it happens.
So that's a scary bit. Ithink of this phenomenon is the abduction
because there's nothing anyone could do.You just answer my question like is there
anything anybody know? Just nothing?Anybody nothing, nothing, You're going along
for the ride. Unfortunately, it'slike somebody's spiking your drink with who loosinogenic

(01:44:48):
drugs. You're just for the rightnow, baby, Yeah, So but
you know that's that's a scary bit. And also the missing hours, Like
I was talking about Susan Alloway andthe jack rabbits after or that she woke
up nine hours later, wow,in a diner three hundred and sixty miles
away from where the abduction happened,in a different state. How like it's

(01:45:10):
mind blowing. It just it ismind bowling. And how do they know
you're going in that direction? Howdo they like do you tell them?
Do they know? Like, yeah, it's that The fact that the mind
reading is the part that to meis so fascinating because it's like, can
you, like Eve, when we'retalking about the craft that I saw going
over the houses, can they listeninto your thoughts or what you're doing is
at the time you're doing it likeit's us And you hear that with cryptids

(01:45:34):
or sasquatch as well, like ifyou're armed, or you know, they
they know somehow they know it's likea threat, like they know you're going
to be a threat, right right, Or that you have a photo a
camera to take a picture or somethingthat seemed to know. Well, somebody
once said, we ever thought thatmaybe Bigfoot is just blurry, that's why
the pictures always come out mess Soyeah, it's probably true. Probably probably

(01:46:00):
is true. So we what Idon't know how much time we have here
maybe eight or eight minutes or so. But so, what do you what
do you think is going on withthe congressional hearings and Grush and you know,
taking one step forward, two stepsback kind of thing. Jason,
what do you think is happening?And why now? What's going on?
What are your theories? Because Iknow you interview so many people that are

(01:46:24):
much more knowledgeable about this than Iam, and what very knowledgeable well in
certain areas, just like all ofus, we all have our discredit yourself,
I don't keep up on that aswell as I should because it's like
almost you know, a weekly nowwhere something's going on. Yeah, it
is a great soap opera. Whatare your conclusions on this? What do

(01:46:45):
you think? What do you thinkis happening? Are we on a timeline
of some sort? Well, itdepends, you know. Lou Alizondo once
led on a podcast sort of theindication that they're on their way type thing,
like there's a certain time limit here, and that's why he was pushing
it for it so hard. DavidGrush mentioned something to that effect too,

(01:47:08):
They could be on their way.John Ramirez mentioned that twenty twenty seven,
they'll be here. So, andthat could very much be the case.
I don't know how this all works. I know that whatever activity is going
on here is because they're here,but that could just be the vanguards.
That could just be the people thatwere sent here to take care of things
to begin with, and then thenext phase of the whatever galacted plan they

(01:47:32):
have is coming up next. ButI think the biggest issue. Even when
you have Congress, you got Timbershettand his team trying to bring people.
What is frustrating is that whenever that'sthe question, the person says, well,
that's not my department. I don'tknow that that would be this person.
The information is dispersed where they can't. It's like who knows this?
Like can you get me this guy? Or you know, even the military

(01:47:55):
charge here? Yeah, like whodo I like exactly? Like Bill?
Nobody? Nobody as a parent,isn't it it's a wizard of Oz.
Nobody who's in charge anymore? Butyou know, I would say that I
know who's in charge. Hold on. But the Air Force has a huge
part to play this, and you'vegot to ask yourself, why isn't the

(01:48:17):
Air Force said anything we heard fromthe Navy? Weird from NASA, but
the Air Force zero. And youknow the Air Force is the one funding
all these programs for reverse engineering.But why do they feel they don't have
to answer? And timber Shed goesthere to get some answers and he looked
at him right in the face andsaid, you're not getting it right.

(01:48:40):
He's their boss, that's Congress.They're supposed to answer to Congress. And
he looked at him and said,like they're officially saying it's so big above
your heads that we are not accountableto you anymore. Keep paying and shut
up, right, that's the mentalitythat they have. It's but I think
we got progress. We need morewhat's blowers. We need to protect the

(01:49:00):
whistleblowers because a lot of them aresaying their lives are being threatened. So
if there isn't anything there, whyare you threatening these people's lives? Right,
if there's nothing there? And thething is, do they want this
to come out? Now? Arethey doing a strategy? You're saying,
Okay, let's just give them abit like fifteen percent of the information and
keep the rest just to appease them. Yeah, it's just like Richard Doughty,

(01:49:21):
you high lies in truths some truth, weave it with lies, confuse
everybody. Yeah, spoonful, eatwhat you want, believe what you want,
and it's causing division. Now.One of the things I hate about
your for Twitter is with everything goingon, everybody's an expert. Everybody's a
couch expert. They're sitting on theirtoilet hooles writing a review on something that

(01:49:44):
you did exactly. But to me, it's not equal Wait, like when
you have a Jacques Vallet on aradio show or a talk show and then
you got just some dude who doesn'tbelieve in it, it's not equal weight.
It doesn't it's just an opinion.This guy's done all the research.
He's been out on the field,like you guys been out on the field,
you know what it's like. Andsomebody just the comments said, well

(01:50:04):
you don't know what you're talking about. It's like, okay, well why
don't you get off your couch,put down the Cheetos and come and help
hold. And I think that's thebiggest problem. Yeah, I left Cheetos.
That's the biggest problem in this isthat it's not just let's not just
put it on the shoulders of Congressand government, but let's us take responsibility
on this too. If they don'twant to tell us, let's not wait

(01:50:27):
for them to tell us. Let'slook in at ourselves. Right, Moufon's
been doing an air Force's job sincenineteen sixty nine, Right, that's true,
because since then they haven't done anythingand we don't won't hear anything from
them. The Air Force is stillquiet about this, which I think they're
the main culprits behind all of this, but yet they're not being approached.

(01:50:49):
Do you think it's liability, Jason? I mean, if these black access
programs were ever revealed, or thesehidden technologies, who knows where maybe these
branches they might be liable for somethings. Maybe they just don't care at
all. Apparently they don't. That'scrimes. It major crimes against your men.

(01:51:09):
We have no idea how many,but to keep that secret in ninety
Look how much damage we could doin one year. Imagine ninety years of
that. The amount of people's livesgot ruined, not just like financially,
careers, divorce, killed, gomissing, just really aggressive cancers that come
out of nowhere kill the person withina week, Like how is that possible?

(01:51:30):
It's poisoning it's weapons that are usedagainst people. Keep them quiet.
Right. The scary bit is iswhatever technology they come up with, whatever
weapons, alien weaponry they come upwith, they're going to be used on
us, not them. It's onus, that's where it's coming. That's
why they want to keep that quiet. I want you to know what I'm
planning for you. Right. Wow, that's a scary bit, right.

(01:51:55):
And yeah, like I said,if they show up and he say,
look, we're going to teach youa different way of life, a different
way of thinking, I'm all earsbecause always not working at all. Hey,
it never has so yeah, that'smy thought on them. Well,
Jason, this has been a fantasticshow, captivating conversation. You're a joy

(01:52:17):
to talk to about all this,and I know you know I love the
fact that your UAP Studies. Ihope you check out Jason's podcast UAP Studies
because he's doing it for all theright reasons and it's so refreshing to me
to hear that. So thank youfor everything you do, and thank you
for being our guest. Thank youChanelle in the back, thank you for
running everything, thank you Tara forbeing here. Thank you Bill Skywatcher,

(01:52:40):
and KGRA and thank you to allof our listeners out there, and I
hope you all have a wonderful Valentine'sDay tomorrow. Treat yourself to something nice,
enjoy the day, and have afantastic rest of your week everybody,
and we will see you guys nextTuesday night on KJRA What's Up? So
take care everybody, have a goodnight.

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