Jeremy Ray

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Episode Transcript

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in the universe? Tonight, wehave a very special close friend of mine
Jeremy Ray, and I'm anxious tohave Jeremy Ray on the show tonight.
Talk to him about all sorts ofthings UFOs. I mean, he's been

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involved for so long with so manydifferent avenues and different TV shows, so
it's going to be great to catchup with Jeremy here in a little bit.
As always, i'd like to bringon my co host. We have
Tara di Ulus. Look at aboutpop goes a weasel? Tara happens to
me, No, I didn't callher know anyway, We've been hanging out

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for the last twenty fours, Arry, Yeah, can you tell TERA's been
here on vacation and clar Springton isgreat to have her right here in the
studio, so welcome Tara. Youcan see Tara right here on KGIRA two,
a guy tour live stream with Markd Antonio, so check out that
show as well. And let's bringin all the way from Arizona. Shane

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heard the Arizona move on assistants say, director Shane, welcome to the show.
Sorry you're over there. We're surehere to weed have a whole party,
but yeah, I'm over here atone hundred degrees and you guys are
chilling in the beautiful color. Ithails no cold, she's freezing her butt
off. I'm not used seventy soheah, someday that would be a lot

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of fun. So, Tara,what do you have to kick us up?
Oh? Oh? Today? Well, today's mean shows two aliens sitting
next to each other at the InterstellarConference. Their name plates identify one as
being from serious and year from notso serious. I guess right now,
hold on which one is not serious? Oh my god, so serious.

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We're both not so serious. That'swhy we get along so well, Oh
my gosh, pret serious. We'reall in good company, you know.
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need rest after the show. I'lldrink that s what's up? What's up
with you today? Have you heard? Oh? Have you heard? Oh?
That's you heard. Yeah, thatMexico had its own congressional hearings this
last week. And I think youguys know, I'm very respectful of others

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of different ideas, and you know, I treat everyone with dignity and respect.
I'm gonna clarify that, but Ido have a little bit of criticism,
and you know, let me justjust say it straight out. So
it's very cool that the hearings wereheld and a couple of folks we know

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were able to participate, Ryan Graves, for example, and Robert Salas.
But also who attended that was HeimiMussan. And for people who don't know,
himI has been a long time uhUFO investigator and television personality in Mexico,

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and he's really big. And hepresented U two what are purported to
be mummified alien bodies. Yes,and of course that was sort of the
talk of the town, right,And my thoughts on that just simply are

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that, you know, himI wasalso associated with two other occasions of little
mummified little mummies purported to be alien. I think one was like the Atacama
mummy, and then in twenty fifteenthere was another one in which he actually
had a big pay per view kindof the event in Mexico City. But

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shortly after that presentation it was youknow, identified as a a child,
the mummy of a child. Sowhether you know it's a hoax, this
current presentation is a hoax, orif it's mistaken identity, if it's intentional
unintentional, I don't know, butlet's just say I do have my serious

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doubts based on past experience plus whatI was seeing now. In their defense,
they presented some scientists who who conductedsome research on these mummies and and
made some claims about a certain levelof authenticity that kind of thing. However,

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I will make the point that youknow, even if scientists are are
you know, genuine in their intheir presentation of this stuff, we can
see that there's at a minimum therecan be a difference of opinion. And
so for example, climate change,right, you can find sinus on one
side that say it's not real andon the other that they do right.

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So almost I'm also wary about thataspect of it. Now, if they
continue to make them available for peerreview research, which is gonna take some
time. You know, I'm openminded to that, but I just you
really have my doubts at this point. And like I, like I say,

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with everything UFO related, anything ispossible until it's proven not to be
right. So I'll wait for theproof one way or another on it.
But I would just say people needto calibrate their BSS meter and if it's
ping in right now, you havegood reason too. But you know,

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respectfully, I would say that's myviewpoint until we get some you know,
proof one way or another. Thesecond thing that happened just a couple of
days ago is NASA produced its reportof its committee that it's formed earlier this
year too kind of review the arrowcasesand come up with you know, sort

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of a you know, a dispositionin their mind. And they held a
press press conference and they basically said, in a nutshell that we found no
evidence of aliens, but we alsodon't know what these things are yet,
so so that that's pretty much Sothat's what we expect NASA to say,

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isn't it right? Yeah? Andagain, with all due respect, you
know, NASA never a straight answer. It really felt like that. However,
again with all cleue respect, theyare a legitimate organization, scientific governmental
and they have to walk and tiptoequite carefully. And you could see that

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in the in the news conference.In fact, our good buddy James Fox
was there and he was actually thefirst person to pose questions to to that
committee, in fact, Bill Nelsonhimself, and he had two questions,
and the first was, hey,how if you don't know what they are,
how can you identify what they aren't? Right? How do you prove

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a negative kind of a thing?The second question was, if you do
find evidence of aliens, what's yourplan for communicating that to the world,
to the public. And I couldsee Bill got his hackles up a little
bit on that, and he madea point of saying that, hey,
you bet you, we're gonna reportit if we find it. But he

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didn't really detail any kind of aplan, and he really didn't answer the
first question either. So you know, this is what we're getting what we
expect from these governmental organizations. However, I am hopeful that with continued pressure

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and a lot of us watching andthe tide is turned in terms of the
public's opinion of it. That youknow, once the Civil War and the
US government kind of gets hashed outbetween the disclosures and the non disclosures.
I'm awful we're going to get something, but at this point it was very

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predictable and it was what we allanticipated. So that's just my two cents
worth on the issue right now.Great, have you heard a lot going
on? I mean every week there'smore and more and more coming out,
more hearings, more, you know, press conferences and whatnot. Shane,
do you think it's true that whenwe went to the moon. Do you

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think that they actually astronauts encountered aliens? And there was sort of like,
that's why we haven't been back,and are they fearful of that was a
deal hash. I mean, whatare your beliefs there? And maybe that's
why they're really walking on eggshells here. Yeah, yeah, I think.
You know, I'm sixty two yearsold. I was eight nine years old

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when they went to the Moon,and I can tell you the entire mindset
of the entire nation and people was, you know, hey, by the
year two thousands, and we're gonnahave flying cars, and we're gonna have
basis on the Moon. We'll gothere for vacations. I mean, there
weren't that much optimism. Yeah,yeah, there was. Yeah, but
when they abruptly aborted Actually, Apolloeighteen nineteen and twenty, we're basically nearly

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on the pad, right. Theywere in the program, they were funded,
they were built, they were readyto go, and they abruptly just
stopped them. Was really shocking.I think it was shocking to the public.
And of course their explanation as well, you know, we've found what
we needed and uh, you know, why spend the money and that kind
of thing. But that didn't holdwater because again, how government works,

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money is appropriated years in advance andand you know, budgeted for. So
I'm just, you know, prettyskeptical. Now as to the claims of
uh, you know that there werealiens on there and we got warned up
again, I go back to mydefault. Anything is possible until it's proven
not to be. And there arecomments from you know, astronauts. There's

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a two minute and thirteen second gapin the radio conversation there. There was
a Ham operator who picked up onthat signal and picked up on that conversation
where you know they they I thinkJohn Glenn or maybe it was Neil or
Yeah, Neil Armstrong had made comments, Hey, they're over on the crater

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there and they're looking at as thatkind of thing. I think that's compelling.
And so when you you put thosethings together, and then you know,
I always appreciate like Donna Hare ifyou don't know who she is,
she was a subcontractor with NASA andwhose job was basically to retouch photos from
the moon. And so fortunately,you know, indicated that that they are

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brushed a lot of stuff. SoI mean there's enough little pieces and points
of view and just uh, youknow, whistle blowing, that kind of
thing that it does. You putall together and there's doubt, right,
there's a room for legitimate room fordoubts. So I'm in the camp where
I love Stan Freedman. What hesaid he had a gray or a white

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basket, a black basket and agray basket. And again like ninety eight
percent of the UFO stuffs in mygray basket. You know, I mean
there's some definite black and some definitewhite, but mostly gray. And I'd
say that's in my gray basket.But uh, you know, I think
it's a distinct possibility. But thequestion is, then why are we going
now what changed If we got warnedoff, then you know, why are

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we doing it out? And andfrankly, look at China, India,
Japan. They have all landed crafton there before we have, uh you
know in the latest round and theSoviets tried it and crashed and burned.
So, uh did they not getthe alien memo? I don't know,
or you know what, has therebeen some authorization that worries when they beat

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us there? Maybe they're making newsor people that's sitting on the because the
Chinese were on the back right,So yes, make wonder. I know
what, I'm very fascinating. I'mgetting them a great basket. You're gonna
have it. I'm gonna get yourgreat basket, Shane. It's Christmas.

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Yes, it's that's really cool.Yeah, yeah, I think it's fast.
I think your perspective. I supportwhat you're saying, Shane. You
have such a good ability to recallwhat has happened and share that with us.
And I really I watched the moonlanding live as well when that first

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happened, and we just thought,who knows, you know, we were
all going to be on the moonby this time. I thought I would
be on the moon. So it'skind of sad that we're not there,
but it is exciting that they're going. But did you go to Mars Tarra?
I would go in space in asecond. If anybody's offering I'll take
you up, I would go.I would. I had no issues with

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that. Be fun. You haveto bring your animals with you, like
sneak sneak in. All right,let's see, let's get the case of
the week here. I'm doing somethinga little different this time. Typically I'll
do a case of the week that'sbeen already closed, but this one came
in. I thought it was alittle bit of intriguing. And you know,
Shane wrote the book, wrote areally great book on investigations. So

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I am and having our Colorado moveon. Chief I I here too.
I'm going to get his opinion onthis when we bring them on. So
I'm I kind of This is anopen case. This is one that just
came in. It's case number onethree three nine seven two. It occurred
on September tenth, twenty twenty three, nine fifty pm at oh Fallon,

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Missouri, and it's a Category twocase and basically the witness says seven craft
that were captured over our deck flyingin formation super crazy colors. The craft
were orange with a blue tinge andan aerodescent glow. They moved silently,
then stopped and hovered over us fora few minutes. Now that's an important
part right there, that they stoppedand hovered. Remember that I would guestimate

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the craft to be twenty feet acrossor more, and they were fairly close
to us, like a couple ofhundred feet up in the air. So
I have a couple of videos thatI actually have the originals, So Chanel,
if we can run video one firstand then we'll do the sped up
one. Thank you. H Originally, I think it's like, originally like

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a five six minute video, soI chopped it down to you know,
kind of the juicy part. Butwhat's interesting are and I'll let you analyze
it a bit here in a minute, Shane and Taro. But when I
sped up the video, it's kindof interesting when I get your opinion on
this, So Chanell, if youcan run video number two please? Isn't

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that interesting? What do you think? Shane suspect? Yeah, that's at
first when it was the three dotsand they were like doing this. I
thought maybe they were just turning thecamera, but then you could see that
they clearly change positions and that couldbe like if if it's stationary like this,

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but then it changed, you know, did that and the three dots
look like in a different alignment.But I think that's actually really interesting.
That's an interesting video that the colorthe contained you know, look to them
and then the movement. I mean, clearly not airplanes, clearly not a
planet. I mean you start goingthrough the checklist about the things that it

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can't be in your left with whatcould it be? Right? What's really
interesting? You know when I whenI did some contrast work on the photos,
so if you could put in thatfirst one with contrast, if you
see on the top yeah that noback one please yeah, that one you
could see this red street that goesa top on the top light. Now,
when I did contrast and played withthings, that streak was there.

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And same with the second one withthe four lights, that top light had
that streak. You can barely seeit on there, but it's really faint.
There's only that top light had astreak across of it, which was
really strange. I thought, I'venever seen that before, so I can't
wait for you know, a photoexpert to take a look at this.
And then it seems as though there'sa darker shadow to the left of the

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screen there where the lights kind ofdisappear. I don't know that's a roofline.
But when I played with the contrastand that, it was like only
the lights would contrast and change,but the black surroundings would not, which
made me question the authenticity of thevideos and the photos in the first place.
So I don't know, there's gonnabe needing to have some forensics done

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on the videos for sure. Well, there was that Condon light the bottom
of that that kind of came in, yeah, a couple of times when
it kind of went lower, andso I couldn't tell if that was close
to the ground or of that,what the perspective of as far as what
the angle is because it's so dark. So that was kind of strange.
The investigations not complete. No,they're going to have their work cut out

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for them in Missouri. So helflickMissouri with the heck case and let us
know. I'll check it, youknow what, I'll check back with it
and let you know what they comeup with, because, like I said,
it's it's an open investigation. NormallyI don't share those, but I
thought it was pretty intriguing. Sookay, yeah, yeah, Chinese lanterns
don't stop and hover, no solace. Yeah, they totally. The color

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was similar, but the behavior wasnot correct, right, interesting, So
Tera, did you do a Marscase? Yeah, we do have a
Mars case this week, And thiscase is from December eighth, nineteen seventy
three in Council Bluffs, Iowa.There had been a recent storm and about
one forty five am, four individualswere in traveling in the car going northbound

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on I twenty nine, and thenafter their ride, they observed what they
described as a solid, domed greenlight about the size of a mountain,
you know, that was near theground basically, you know, And upon
questioning they revealed that at arms length, that was about the size of a
grape fruit, which is really bigat arms leange. So, men,
Shanelle has that first picture of thedome on there, and this is a

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sketch drawn by one of the witnesses. It's a twenty eight year old accountant
and the mid upper left there's aschool for the blind that I circled on
red or and with the green domevery nearby to it to the right.
So at first they thought it wasa bomb or an explosion, but then
after about five seconds, the greendome disappeared suddenly, so the men were

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confused and agreed not to say anythingfor fear of ridicule. However, the
next day the witnesses did go publicwith their sighting and several articles were revealed
in the newspaper about it. Sothere were three different cases. The field
investigated. Investigation was really thorough,so you can go through the other articles
too. Sane, Yeah, there'sI think that might yep. So this

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investigation also includes the weather, soyou have the basically, again, these
are old cases and so there's alot of leg work going on and mail
we're going on. So there that'sthe weather report. So they will have
to go and get physical logs ofwhat the ceiling was and what the weather

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was like. It's so cool,so also spoiled. Now, oh my
gosh, it feel difficult, socan you imagine. So also a lot
of correspondence was in the file,including this letter from the local power company
that reveals there was a power outagenear the Iowa School for the Deaf at
the time of the sighting, andremember this was winter, and the letter
reveals that ice on the overhead powerlines caused three fuses to blow. So

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the field investigator then interview and consultedwith an electrical engineer, and he was
told that the power lines when anarc occurs, can give off a flash
of varied colors, and in thiscase, it was found that ice on
the lines caused high vibrations like aviolin stream, and this will weaken the
wire from metal fatigue, and thefuses blue when the ice caused the wires

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to fall. The fallen wires touchedeach other and or other material on the
ground and caused an arc. Sothere's a picture of where the down power
lines. The power companies sent thisto them. Most most power lines have
a percentage of copper and corrosion naturallyoccurs over a period of time. And

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since the power lines in question wereold and there was icing accumulated from the
recent storm, conditions for a greenflash of light were very favorable. So
consequently it was found that the greenlight on or near the ground was the
result of a power line failure.So it's pretty cool that you get to
see a giant green dome and thiswas just a case that they were able

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to identify it. But it tooka lot of late legwork. So what
do you guys think about that?It was to the electric company for you
know, participating, not just blowingthem off or something. And it went
from from trouble to do a designand drawing and all that. That's awesome,
but that's exact. Customer service wasgood at man something. Yeah,

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it was really cool. So allthese fun cases again are in the Mars
files and they're available this year theend of this year for people to get
in and research and review very funstuff in there. Oh no, that's
a great example of I mean,just like you said, the legwork that
these investigators had to do back before, we were all spoiled with you know,

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going to heavens above and weather undergroundand all for what was the weather
on this date? You know,we're so spoiled, aren't we? In
some regards though, I think investigatingcases has gotten more challenging at the same
time, again, something we cantalk to Jeremy about that idea for sure.
For sure. Well, I thinkwe covered everything we're going to cover.

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So what do you say we bringJeremy on it. Let me read
off this bio. So, JeremyRay is the chief investigator of Colorado move
On. The last eighteen years,Jeremy has been conducting UFO investigations in California,
Texas, and Colorado. In twothousand and eight, he was promoted
to the Star Team investigator and workedwith Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Studies Space Studies BASS

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on high level UFO cases. Jeremyhas represented move On on several radio and
television shows such as Hanger One,The UFO Files, The Alaska Triangle,
and Ancient Aliens. Please welcome tothe show, my good friend, Jeremy
Ray. Jeremy by doing. I'mthank you for having me on the show.

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It's about time. I've been tryingto get this guy on the show
for a year, but all thesegetting all these new big jobs everywhere.
I mean, I had a jobat Lockheed Martin and it was great job,
but we were kind of short staffedand so there was like no vacations,
no time off and everything. Yourpodcast was during my working time.

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But now I work at Ball inAirspace and yeah, they they give me
time off. I need it,so it's nice. I like it.
That's awesome. Yeah, I'm reallythankful you got the time off for doing
this. You got time off justto do the show. So thank you
for being here so much. Jeremy. You know so many of our guests
I like to ask, you know, I mean, I think you're You're
originally from Texas, right, Jeremy. Yeah, born and raised, born,

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eraised Texas. So you kind ofgot your start in Texas. But
what got you interested in this field? Did you have a sighting and experience?
I had an experience. Yeah,it was okay. So if we
go before my experience, I wasinto I mean, and I found UFOs
interesting, but I didn't believe thatthey were real. You understand. I

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was a kid and grown ups toldus, you know, UFOs are not
real. It's funny business, thatkind of thing. But when I had
my own personal sighting, you know, I say this often, that one
day changed my entire life. Imean, I will actually take it a
step further that Jeremy Ray is deadand a new Jeremy Ray was created.

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Like my whole mindset, you know, I had these plans. I was
at a military school, it kindof felt like a prison to me.
But we had an allowance, soI was even. You know, we
get twenty dollars a week, andI was putting in a way because one
of my buddies had a pickup truck. I didn't have a driver's license during
time, but we were going togo down to South Padre Island and for

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spring break, so I was realexcited. I planned this trip. I
know it sounds terrible, but fora kid, you know, looking for
freedom, almost six months in advance, I was. I was really jeeves.
I had it all planned out well. That day, I was walking
over to my friend's house and Isaw this light and I stood there for

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about five minutes. I couldn't figureout what it was. But it was
low. It was like treetop level, a little bit above the telephone poles.
It was big because it stretched acrossthe street. But was weird,
is what I'm gonna try to describe. What looked like. It was like
if the sun was bouncing off likea car bumper and you saw the reflection

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of you know, like a chromebumper. That's what it looked like.
It was very bright, it wasbrighter, It was brighter than the sun,
but it didn't hurt your eyes tolook at it. And for me,
my first impression of it was itdidn't it seemed like it didn't belong
there. Okay, it just itlooked like some cheap well when it took

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off, it looked like some cheapStar Trek special effects. Like I said,
he just didn't look like it belongedthere. So I stood there for
five minutes. I couldn't figure outwhat it was. I wasn't thinking aliens
or UFOs. I was thinking thiswas some kind of weather phenomenon or something.
And I figured I didn't have theanswer that I should get a grown

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up to hey. So, lookingabout five minutes standing there, I walked
across the street rang a doorbell.I didn't know this guy. I've seen
him Mowy's yard many times, butI lived, like, I don't know,
probably about eight houses down, sothis is like a neighbor I never
talked to and rain doorbell. Hecame out and he looked at me.

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I said, Hi, my nameis Jeremy Ray. I'm your neighbor down
the street. I'm sorry to botheryou, but I see this light in
the sky and I was hoping youcould tell me what it is. And
so he had this long, kindof like awning type thing, so he
couldn't see it. So had towalk out in his yard. And I
remember I was like, it wasright there, and I pointed at it
wasn't there no more. So Ifigured it was gone. And the next

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thing, I looked at him,and he looked at me and he goes,
Holy Merry, Mother of God.I mean he was, you know,
and then he just double timed itand I looked up and it was
like right there, and I waslike, oh, yeah, there is.
So he runs in the house andI was like, left you there.

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That's a little eccentric whatever word Iwas looking quarter that time. And
I was like, that's okay,I'll just ring the next door. So
I walked down the sidewalking out abouthalfway and then I hear him. He
comes out with his wife and hehad sunglass. He had some sunglasses you
brought with him, and he hada camera. Now this is March.
I don't know if I told youa date, but it was March twentieth,

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nineteeny six, and it was aboutthree o'clock in the afternoon. It
was a Wednesday. The sun wasin the sky right here, and the
UFO was like right under the sun. Okay, so the sun was hurting
my eyes, but like I said, this was brighter than this object was
brighter than the sun. So Idon't know. We're trying to figure it
out and we're talking back and forthand Dick goes, well, I was

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like, so, what do youthink it is some kind of weather thing?
And he goes no, no,no, And I was like,
you don't think it's like a kite, you know, aluminum kite reflecting,
because that that was the only thingI could think of. But it didn't
move. It was perfectly still,and he was like no. He's like,
I'm gonna get a picture of thisbefore it leaves whatever it is.
So when he brought the camera upand I'm standing on his left side,

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he's on my he's on my right, and when he brought the camera up,
the UFO went like this into thesun, and you know you so
basically it was like a light andthen it had these things coming out like
a beam, and if you followthe leading edge, it became transparent,
so all you could see was thosebeams. When it stuck up in the
sun. I thought it was gonnatake off, and I said, Dick,

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put the camera down. And sowhen he put the camera down,
the object came back to an exactposition. And then both of us were
like, we knew it was undersome kind of intelligent control. And as
a hyper kid, I was reallyhyper back then. I was kind of
weird. You know, neither ofmin I'm not a hyper are you.

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I'm a lot tamer as a fortyfive year old man, Jay, you
would kicked me on my house,I was so hyper, you gotta keep
but uh But anyway, so I'mlike all excited, and they were very
scared, you know. So I'mlike, well, I'm gonna walk up
towards it. I'm gonna try toget under it. I can see what
it is because the sun's hit mein the face. Yeah. Actually,

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before that happened, Dick had thesunglasses on, and what he's like,
you could see structure in there,and I go they he can't. He
goes, yeah, you can't here, look, and he gave me sunglasses
and I put them on, andwhat I saw in that light was like
four iron bars and I could seethe light pulsating around it to where you
didn't see the bar and then slowlypulsate to where you see it. And

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it was about that slow. Itwasn't like rapid. It was real slow.
Now you see light, Now yousee I call them iron bars,
but these black lines, so everystructure up there. So I wanted to
see what was under it. SoI said, I'm gonna walk out there
and I'm gonna try to get underit, and I'm gonna and I'll tell
you what I see. So Istart walking and they go, it's moving

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and I'm looking right at it,and I'm like, no, it's not.
And I keep walking. They go, yeah, it's moving back,
it's moving back. Keep in mindthey're staying still and I'm walking towards it.
All I see is the objects rightthere. I'm just not getting to
it, okay, you know.And it was so it's a blue sky.
I don't have any telephone, polesor anything to give me a point

(35:50):
of reference. I'm just looking rightat it and it looks like it's right
there, but I just I justcan't get to it. So I still
don't believe them. I just thinkit's an optical illusion. So I turn
around. I can't get to it. I come to the edge to where
I can't walk any far farther.So I turned around and walked back to
them, and they go, it'sfollowing you. It's following you. So
I turn around and I walk backwardsright, and yeah, to me,

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it just looked like he was stayingperfectly still. The reason why is because
it was staying at the pit atmy pace and I stopped. It stopped,
so to me, it just lookedlike it was there. But for
them standing still, they were like, no, it's moving. It's moving.
It's moving. I say, okay, fine, if it's following me
and it's not letting me get underit, I'm gonna walk past you,
guys, and when it comes overyour head, tell me what you see.

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So I walked past them and tothem, it comes right up to
them. It stops, it doesn'tgo over him, and so I take
advantage of that and I flank itand I go around to Miss Porchet's yard
and I'm in missus Ladwick's yard andI'm standing there. So it kind of
got the UFO sandwiched in between Dickand his wife and me, and I'm

(37:00):
looking at it. We're just tryingto figure out what to keep the mind.
This thing hung around for fifteen minutes, and I'm gonna I'm gonna sum
it up real quick. So thelast thing that happened, missus Ladwick saw
me in her yard, came outto see what was going on. And
by this time I'm thinking it's usobecause the grown ups are acting a lot
more crazier than me. They shouldhave more LaSure, you know, but

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there are mind bloom. So Igo, miss Labbick, You're not gonna
believe this, but you got afreaking ufo right a buck right over here,
right above, right above your tree. And she walked out and she
said, oh my god, andshe walked and she got under it.
And when she got under it,that's when it left. And the best
way to describe it is if youtake well, what I saw was everybody's

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shadows got darker. I mean likethere was no sound, there was no
wind, And I looked at imkeeping it. I can see that everybody's
everything the shadows got dark. ButI can also see the object taken off
off. So if you had arubber band and you cut it, Shane,
you and me held both ends andwe let go of it. That's
what it looked like. It lookedlike, okay, if you took a

(38:08):
rattlesnake, right and you have scales, those scales flashed colors. That's what
it looked like. There was purple, pink, and blue, and it
just flashed real pretty and then bam, it was gone. But it looked
like it folded up on itself.I can't tell you really, it could
have took off. It was justso fast. It was there emslong now.
Missus Ladwick was blinded by She wasdizzy. She had to take a

(38:32):
knee, and she told me itwas very similar. I believe from my
memory that if you take your fingersand push them really hard on your eyes.
I'm pretty sure you guys done thisbefore, and you let go and
you don't see, it's like black, and then it starts to kind of
phase in and then you start tosee. That's what she described it.
That one day changed my entire life. And I gotta add you one more

(38:53):
detail. I had like a consciousnessconnection to it, and as a young
kid, I didn't know how toarticulate this. It was nineteen nineteen ninety
six. Somebody just asked me,what what you're so anyway, Yeah,
So what I'm trying to say isI planned this trip. I really wanted

(39:17):
to go. I wanted to tryto get a girlfriend or something, you
know what I mean. To day, all I had to do was tuck
it, wear some doctor pants andtuck in my shirt and I could buy
beer. It was a little lenientback there. So I had this plan,
We're gonna go party. And whenthat incident happened, I didn't care
about any of that. I didn'tgo do it. It didn't matter that

(39:39):
that stuff was not important anymore.So I ran home and I went to
tell my mom. She wasn't there, and I called my nan all and
I was like, it's an emergency, get her here. Well, finally,
about forty minutes later, my momshows up with a distant cousin that
was a motorcycle guy and I nevermet him before, and so we had

(40:00):
company. Great. So anyway,I just interrupt them and I go,
mom' let me tell you what happened. And so I told her just like
I told y'all. And my momwas like drinking her coffee and she's like,
that's great, son, that's greatanyway, and she continued the conversation
that made me so mad, dudethat it's probably one of the first times

(40:21):
I've ever said a bad ward inthe house. I'm not gonna stay on
the show, but we'll sleep it. But anyway, I said, Mom,
how much coffee do you got?And she goes, I got a
whole pot. I go, good, don't blanking drink it. And I
remember my mom was like, ohmy god, and she's like, get
back here. And I ran outthe door, right and I grabbed my
neighbors and I was like, dude, she doesn't believe me. You gotta

(40:42):
tell her, you know. SoI brought Dick over. His wife didn't
want to come. She was like, uh, you know, but missus
Ladwick came. So keep in mindmy mom that never met these people.
Okay, So here I am bringingtwo strangers in the house, right,
And it was awkward. Science mymom stopped talking and everybody's just standing there.

(41:05):
You've got four grown ups and you'rejust like this, and I'm pouring
coffee and I'm like, tell herwhat happened, And so they told her.
And that's when my mother got worriedbecause in her first thought was what
my son could have been in dangerand all this shed you know, you
know what I mean. So itstarted my journey. Uh And and I've

(41:32):
had more sightings like that throughout mylife. That's that's just the main one
that changed my life. But likeI said, there was a consciousness connection.
There was a reason why I wasgetting so happy. I felt love.
I felt that the fact that itwas following me and you know,
doing all this that I don't know. I can't, like I say,

(41:54):
even to this day, I don'thave the correct terminology to explain. But
there was there was something going onthen, just a structured craft up there.
Okay. It could be something equivalentto like somebody having a religious experience,
Okay, And that's why I'm sayingmy brain was rewired, but my

(42:16):
thinking changed. We don't have allthe answers, they're grown ups, don't
have all the answers. And inmy town, reputation was very important.
You know. You know, everybodyknew my dad, and that's Joel ray
Son. He was like president ofthe bank. But to me, I
didn't care about that. It didn'tmatter about my reputation. We need to
figure out what this is, andI was gonna tell everybody about it.

(42:37):
And I didn't stop, and Ididn't stop, and I think most of
the people thought I was crazy.I'm gonna give you one one good example.
One of my skateboard buddies. Idon't know if I should say his
name on the air, but Itold him the story and he was like,
that's awesome. But he didn't believeme, and he never told me
that. And then when he sawme on I don't know, Hanger one

(42:57):
or one of these shows, hecalled me. He goes, I believe
you now years you never let itgo, And I was like, that's
all it took. I thought youbelieved me in the first minute. But
it's kind of hard to believe,you know, especially back during that time.
UFOs were heavily ridiculed. You haveone good show back then called Sightings

(43:22):
maybe Unsolved Mysteries would would play agood snippet. That's about all you got
and if you talked about it,yeah, yeah, I know. But
it's a different time now, definitelydifferent. I think the more people coming
to me asking me questions that Iwas asking twenty five years ago, you
know what I mean. But anyway, that's what started oh one, more

(43:44):
so the move on relationship with this. About a few years ago after that,
somebody came up to me and said, Hey, Jeremy Moufon's coming to
Victoria, Texas. And I go, what's move on? They go their
UFO investigators, They got one.There's a woman coming to give a talk
at the convention center. You needto go, and you need to tell
her story. I was like,oh, I'm there. So it was

(44:05):
the first time that I ever talkedto somebody that didn't give me that one
step back, you know what Imean. She was like, oh,
yeah, I've seen things like thisbefore. I mean, she her name
was Doris up Church. She wasCorpus Christi Texas Field Investigators. She's not
with us anymore, but she passedaway several years ago. But yeah,
I was just stunned that she hadthe knowledge that I've been trying to find

(44:30):
other people in the Bible Belt.Yeah, don't talk about UFOs. That's
a devil, Bobby Bouche. That'show I was treated down there. So
yeah, you know from the movie, Yeah, I forgot right. So
I think sometime in college, I'mstudying it, and I was like,

(44:52):
I just didn't want to do thiswith my life, trying to learn a
trade, and I just kept lookingup how much do UFO investigators it paid?
And I went through I spent alot of research trying to find out,
well, you got to be aprivate investigator and then you're gonna have
to you know, pay your ownmoney, get the license, and then
you're gonna have to be You're you'regonna be the one man army or the

(45:14):
one boss. And I was like, oh, is there an organization I
knew move On was volunteering. AndI was like, you know what,
screw it. I'm gonna do thisan I'm gonna do it anyway. I
want to do it well. Andonce once I got in, I think
it was two thousand and six,and I've been with them ever since.
I think it's going on eighteen yearsnow, having left. And of course,

(45:37):
one thing that blew my mind iswhen we finally got okay. Back
then we had to take our teston paper and I had to mail it
in. Uh I can't think ofher name right now, but everything was
done on paper and you mailed itin, you know. Then we got
the CMS and that just blew mymind because I always thought maybe there might
be a real sighting. Once everyyear or two years or five years.

(46:00):
You know, I never knew everyday. Every day, every day you
know you're sighting and a move on, Jeremy. I told Doris about it,
but we didn't fill out any formsI gave. I gave Doris the
picture of the object. I forgotto tell you a story. We did
get two pictures. I wish Icould get that picture back. I don't

(46:22):
have a picture of original picture anymore. There's a mystery behind that. Somebody
broke into Dick's house and that's allthey took. They took the whole photo
album and it took all the negatives. And then just around the same time
I lost my pictures, I gotguys that was gold to me. Okay,
that was like my and they justdisappeared. So but I didn't.

(46:43):
I didn't happen around a time whereI gave to move on and then sure
enough everything to go on. ButI do have a copy of a copy
of it, but it's it's noteven worth it, you know, it
was a z Rocks copy. Butyeah, I wish I had the negatives
these days, you know, comeback in. We didn't have CGI,
you know, so and I caughtit I got one picture of it where

(47:07):
it's the blue sky and it's straight, and then one picture of miss This
is pictures that Dick took Missus Ladwick'shouse. You can see the house,
you can see the tree and theobjects angled like like this. And I
never remembered it ever being that lowand angled like that because it was always
like right above us. I couldhave thrown a rock at it or shot

(47:29):
at with a BB gun. Butanyway, that's what started me on this
journey. I have had other incidencessimilar to that throughout my life. So
be careful what you seek, becauseit might come seek you. That's that's
that's a true thing. Huh.Well, you know, you know what
your story confirms for me that I'velearned as an investigator and a member of

(47:52):
the RT is just you recounting itright now. We can see the emotion
behind it and the impact on you, and that it was actually, you
know, a traumatic event, alife changing event. And I always say
that when there's probably nothing that makesyou a believer in UFOs like seeing one

(48:14):
right right, and and you didand you had that experience, and so
whenever I deal with anyone, uh, you know, as an investigator on
the RT side. I'm very awareof, you know, the potential for
that traumatic experience to have occurred,and you need to treat people with you

(48:34):
know, dignity and respect on thatand and you know it clear whatever happened,
clearly, you know, made ahuge impact. And so you just
reinforce I've seen over and over again, and that was a really cool account,
Jeremy. And thanks for sharing that, because that pretty pretty impressive.
Thank you, Thanks for listening.I think I've told it so many times,

(48:58):
but I remember it like yesterday,right, and there is no there
is no like that was a longtime ago, no way. And then
for many years, that's a tenyears, I thought about it every day
every day. Yeah, and I'mgonna you know, you know, I
know you fairly well, right,and so you know we've sat around the

(49:19):
table and talked about things and infact, and I don't know, maybe
later in the show, after thebreak, I'll share a really strange experience
Jeremy and I had. But asyou were telling your story, Jeremy,
it's in my last case because it'sso powerful, I'll go ahead and tell
tell everybody. Okay, let mego for it, Okay, I'll do
it right now. Before the dayI was dying. And but one day,
so Jeremy and I have had similarunusual experiences being pulled out of elementary

(49:44):
school and testing and headphones, andwe were just recounting some strange, kind
of weird things that and we're like, oh, you know, and I
saw also at the Elbert County Ranchof bright Light and just similar kind of
experiences we had. And as youwere telling that story, Jeremy, I
was telling like it came for you. It sounded like you had a connection
to whatever that experiences was in Texas. So I said, as a matter

(50:06):
of fact, when I was alittle kid, I used to write in
hieroglyphics and like in columns, andI used to draw this symbol all the
time. And Cassie was there,and Jeremy goes, oh, I used
to draw the symbol all the timetoo. So she hands Jeremy a sticky
note and me a sticky note,sends Jeremy upstairs at his house and I'm
down on the table and Cassie said, okay, you two draw your symbol.

(50:27):
Let me get out of my glass. Yeah, there it is.
So here is I would have uploadedthem if I wouldn't know this was a
symbol, Jeremy, jor do youremember this, Jeremy. Yeah, but
turn it, turn it, turnit. That's how I always draw that
over and over, elementary school,high school. I don't know why,

(50:49):
right, and so, and here'sthe one I drew, same way.
Yeah, that was mine. Wow, here's mine, and here's Jeremy.
Yep, freaked us out. Youshould have said, well, actually the
first one, the first one,you're the one that you drew. I

(51:12):
drew that for years. And thenthere was this guy in in high school
that showed me how to draw threedimensional so that was my. But it's
it's just basically a line with thetwo dots and they were black. Yeah,
so that was a that was thatthat kind of that spooks. There
was no psychic thing going on inbetween me and Katie. It's just I'm

(51:34):
just gonna draw the symbol that thetime that a doodle and she drew hers,
and then rest is history. Whatdo you mean? What does it
mean that canny? I always thoughtit meant to me alien, It meant
something, yeah, and for meit was a connection to something extraterrestrial.
For sure. It was a connectiontoo. I wouldn't say extraterrestrial at the

(51:57):
time when I did it, becauseI wasn't into eats and aliens and all
that kind of stuff. But Iknew it was a connection to something out
there, whatever that was, youknow. And we've talked about that kind
of too, like being connected toanimals and nature and and but this was
a connection to something out out offplanet. So yeah, so that that's
really interesting. I had another quicklittle question for you too, was this

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isn't a small town. Yeah,I'm sorry. The town is Victoria,
Texas. And the neighborhood it wasa nice neighborhood to grow up as a
kid, bramble Bush, good peopleall around. So I was. I
played with you know, riding onthe bicycles like you see in the old
goonies, and you know, thatwas us kids playing and that's that was

(52:45):
growing up, you know, playingcowboys and Indians or whatever, water guns.
And I kind of knew everybody inthe neighborhood. But those neighbors i've
I've never that was the first time. And by the way, Dick and
before, I don't think they're aroundanymore. But we we kept in touch.
So every time i'd come to I'dalways stop by their house and come

(53:07):
visit, and we'd always talk aboutthe sighting that we had. And Dick
said to me the last time Italked to him, he goes, I
am so happy that you came andranged at doorbell and brought me out.
That was one of the greatest,most beautiful things that I've ever had to
experience and one of the things inmy life. And the minute, you

(53:30):
know, I think I was.I think I was just about to join
an army during that time. Butthey moved, and I think they moved
the they were elderly, so Idon't think they're around anymore. That's that's
too bad. But but I didn'ttalk to missus Ladwick and uh yeah,
we rekindled the stories. So it'scool. I'm not crazy, you know,

(53:52):
and I win. This is butthe whole town was like something not
right with that boy. But nowyou last right? Who laughs? Last
laughs? Best day? Yeah,go for it. Well, I I
was curious about you said that youfelt that connection, that of love.

(54:13):
You know, I've had like amother, like yeah, okay, I
don't remember, Okay, one ofmy first memories I do remember being in
a baby carriage. I do.Some people don't remember that far, but
I do remember screaming for my mom. Now before that, I have no
memories of anything. But the wayit felt to me was like a mother

(54:35):
holding their baby, you know,like I'm the baby. I know sounds
stupid, but there was some kindof strong It's like love, but more
intense. But I don't know howto explain it. It wasn't something to
make me fall down on my kneesand like I'm stunned because I was still
in denial on the whole experience.But the feeling that I was feeling was

(54:57):
psychic. It was a connection.It was consciousness between me and that that
craft or whatever it was, andit knew how it knew how I was
feeling, you know what I mean. And it felt like it was happy
too. I don't know how toexplain that, but that's yeah, like
a belonging or yeah, every union. It wasn't like hey, as a

(55:20):
longtime friend. No, it waslike I just can't find the right words
for it. I'm really not doingit justice explaining it this way. It
was a feeling, but and therewas a connection, definite connection between me
and the craft, not the factthat it was following me. But there
was like a psychic a third uh, you know, extrasensory perception, emotion

(55:45):
and feeling. Okay, I wantedit to do certain things, and it
was doing certain things. You know, when I look back on it,
I kind of now the stuff thatwe know now. Of course it makes
sense, but as a total nubeand not this is my first experience.

(56:05):
You put blockages up on that.You just think it, you know,
But no, there was a connection. And actually this wasn't the first time
that many others that had I wasgoing to ask you, we have less
than a minute until we take ourfirst break, and when we come back,
we are going to play a newsegment. I had it called an
Evening on Earth with an Extraterrestrial Sowe'll play that when we get back.

(56:30):
But I was going to ask youreally quickly, you know, in less
than thirty seconds, has that connectionstayed with you? And we'll touch more
on that when we come back tothe break, But has it stayed over
the time we talk about it.I know it sounds nuts, but there's
like a ripple of time, likea wave in a swimming pool. I'll
explain this real quick it's still detectinga March of twentieth, nineteen ninety six

(56:52):
from that moment. So I knowit sounds weird. I know. I
don't have no proof, but theripple effect or what I did with my
every time we talk about even ustalking about it, I wouldn't be surprised.
That's all, all right. Soafter break we will be back with
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We're not We're not being silly atall here. All right, So
new segment for Jeremy. We doan evening on Earth with an extraterrestrial Jeremy.
So, first, I want toknow what species of alien alien will
you be dining with this evening?M I just make one up, whatever
you want to do. Well,who is it going to be? I

(01:01:21):
don't know a typical one that whateverit looks like, it doesn't matter,
you know. Let's just say somebodya friend from out of town. Okay,
a friend from out of town fromgreat reptilian and sectoid human. He
likes them all. They're all onebig family. Where on Earth would you

(01:01:42):
want to meet this et so theycould see the coolest place on the planet.
Oh well, for me, itwould be more selfish reason. I
would like an isolated location. Idon't care. It could be ugly,
just so we could don't get met, get in trouble with big brother or
any prying eyes I can have.It could be. It could beat the

(01:02:04):
desert. It could be. Idon't care, you know. But the
most beautiful place, well, there'sso many on planet Earth. I don't
want to know where. You'd gosomewhere isolated, an isolated dessert with shade.
Probably probably Nama Bay sharmel Chik that'sin Egypt. Perfect kind of down
there. That's like a It's likethe Cancoon for Europeans, you know what

(01:02:27):
I mean. It's a it's areally cool spot. But anyway it would
be I would just like to havea It doesn't matter. You could put
me on their craft that we canhave a conversation. It's just as long
as covering over the desert because there'sprobably water or his neighbors. You wanted
me to show off the planet,you know, pick a pretty spot.
I don't know. Hawaii, wecould we could be hundreds of them.

(01:02:49):
Yeah, I've never been to Hawaii, but as well go it's really pretty.
But what food would you serve thisextraterrestrial? Now I would be worried
about is health. I wouldn't wantto harm them, so I would try
to think of what's the safest foodthat humans could eat, And that probably
would be like maybe a spruit orsomething if they don't, if they're if

(01:03:13):
they're carnival, you know, thenmaybe a cow. But I don't know
if depends on the beach our cow? Right? Carberry ice cream is carberry
ice cream? I like that.I eat the steaks, Yeah, they
like that. It depends on whatthey want to eat or what do they
eat? You know, I needto know that do they eat at all?

(01:03:36):
Right? Right? So pills accordingto the one or put things under
skin and they like pancakes. Ihere anyway? And and what what music
would you play? If you knowyou'd want to introduce them to some earthly
music? What song would you playfor them to represent humanity? Well,
then we're going to go back tomy teenage days. There's so many I'm

(01:04:00):
sorry. I am a fan ofthe pesche Mode, so I might play
a depeche Mode song for him.I don't care. Now that wouldn't be
I don't that's a weird question.But if it was for humanity, it
would probably be Bach or Beethoven orwhatever you know from the old times,
and then show I wouldn't show themtoday's music. I don't know. Maybe
I'm getting old, but I don'teven you know, but it's not something

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cold from the good times, youknow, eighties and nineties or whatever you
know, or some classic rock.Yeah, good choices, and recommend you're
gonna recommend a film for this extraterrestrialto watch. What film would you recommend?
Oh, Dan, I don't know. Star Wars? Why not?

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Good? Of course? Why not? Of course? Yeah? Yeah,
probably or something sci fi. Idon't you know, something that I like.
Uh, I don't know. Idon't know if they would enjoy.
Uh, but you don't know.I can only assume maybe they would enjoy.
Maybe they would correct us on theStar Wars saga. They'd be like,
Okay, then we'll go Star Trek. We'll go Star Trek, and

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I'll find a piece, a peacefulepisode whatever, an episode of Star Trek.
I think my girlfriends are trekky andI'm more Star Wars. So I've
learned a lot about Star Trek.Actually took her took her to a Star
Trek convention and she got to meetthe captains and all that. That was

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many many years ago. All right, and you get one question for this
extraterrestural just one? Can I havethree? I got so many? I
got stupid questions? Uh, whoare we? Why are we here?
What is this place? Lets getto the point that's kind of get one

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wish so it'd be one of thosethree questions, Like I, I mean,
everybody has their own view, LikeGeorge Norri told me one time,
He's like, I would ask themif they believe in God? Well,
that's an important question. But Istill think, you know, I would
like to ask technical questions like whatstar system are you from? How'd you

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get here? What kind of propulsioncan we blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah. You know, But ifif I could ask a question, who
are we? Why are we here? What is it? What is this
place? Can you explain our realityto us? Because we're humans, We're
going to work, we're eating,we're doing entertainment, we go to sleep,
we rinse and repeat. Most ofus do in a question our reality,

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and I'd like to get that answeredyou know, or what it might
not be there? What did theybelieve? You know, maybe they're not
saying they're maybe we're on the sameIQ level, or maybe they're hired IQ
or maybe it maybe they could youknow, depends. It could be from
their culture, if they have aculture. I don't know, it would
It all depends on the situation.On what question I would ask, So,

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sorry, I can't do one.I just can't do that. That's
great. No, that's honest,that's honest answers Jeremy, and I really
like that, you know, thenature of reality? Question? Yes,
question it? You know, yeah, sure, got to It makes it
makes it fun, you know whatI mean? It does make it fun.

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And you're you're really fun. Jeremy. We've got to meet a couple
of times and got to meet you. But I have to admit, the
first time I ever saw you wason Hanger One and you talked about how
there wasn't much stuff on TV.And I loved that show because there wasn't
anything and we're just starving for information, and so I want to know,
can you tell us how you gotinvolved with Hanger one and maybe talk about

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some of your favorite cases perhaps andsure, I'll try to do it quick
because it's a long story. ButI was approached by Paul Villadoid. He
wanted to interview me. I don'tremember it was rubin your Day or somebody
in Moufon recommended me. And Ithink they interviewed like hundreds and hundreds and

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hundreds of Moufon build investigators for theshow, you know, you know.
And I was like, yeah,he can call me. I'm not gonna
be on those TV show, butI'll give him good pointers. So who
he should get. So I remembergetting them on. I'm like, man,
you need to get they're not alivenow, but you know, astronaut
edgar Mitchell. Get him to talkabout about the base on the backside of

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Moon that'll be explosive. Or getStan Freeman, he's a nuclear physicist.
Get somebody credibility on this, youknow, just blah blah blah. And
I was throwing it out and theywere interested in me. And I remember
having a discussion with a family memberand I was like, I'm not going
to do that. I don't wantto, you know. They were like,

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you know you're gonna regret that inlife. You should do it,
And so I was like very nervous, very very nervous about it, and
they filmed me to go through thepilot. It was me and John Greenwald
and a few others, and yeah, I was a nervous wreck dude,
because in my mind, the onlything I was thinking when they pointed that

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camera at me is millions of people, you know, and this is my
first rodeo. So I was Iwas all over the place, you know.
I don't even I can't even believeI could get a line out.
But it was just a pilot.It never aired, and when I found
out about that, I was like, yes, okay, I'm happy.
And then it was kind of likeone of those uncomfortable things. But when

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they called me back a year laterand ago we got we're doing the show.
It's gonna be on History Channel andyou're gonna be on season one.
I was happy about it. Iwasn't nervous, and I was like,
you know what I'm going you know, so once in a lifetime opportunity.
All these books I've read, weshould we should really hit the public hard

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with this, and I was thinkingmore for the UFO community, and Paul
was like no, no, no, Jeremy the people that don't care about
UFOs. We're trying to reach familypeople, you know family, you know
people out there different. I forgotwhat the word they used, but we
want you instead of giving a Iwas like, yeah, I'll give you
a military briefing and we'll leave itfor the viewers to the side. And

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they were like no, They're like, we need you just to tell the
story, like you're sitting around acampfire, and we'll do all the extra
stuff. I was like, oh, okay, I can do that.
So yeah, they sat me ina chair. I think it was almost
like fourteen hours. Oh my goodness. Thrilled me. And the problem was
we're in La, it's a summertime, it's hot. They couldn't turn the

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A C on because it was justfor the sound equipment. So I was
sweating and I was I was veryuncomfortable, but whatever. And then when
we went back season two, theygave me ice packs to put under my
suit and that funny but ice packunder here, ice pack under here.
I'm just telling you behind the scenes. But yeah, and then I was

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able to You know, when you'reuncomfortable, it's hard to to focus or
remember dates and names and things.Like that. But uh, you know,
if you do this over and over, I just ignore the camera and
I just look at the director andit's just like chain you and me having
a conversation. Once I get mymindset on that, trying have to say

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bad words or something stupid, youknow, you know what I mean?
Yeah, and you're okay, butno, it Actually I kind of felt
like I had it help. Youknow, you ever feel like sometimes something
talks through you. I know itsounds weird, but when I look back
on it, I'm like, man, I was spitting out those dates and
facts, but I was just hyperfocused. You know. Awesome. I'll

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never forget. I knew you win, Jeremy, because we a little party.
I can't remember who's where. Weat Berry's house. I think we
went to Berry's house and we didthe premiere. Remember that. Oh yeah,
doctor made a special little gift andeverything. Remember I still have it.
I haven't it good? Yeah,I haven't. Hanging up in my

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game room downstairs. They gave me. They gave me a trophy and and
and even though I went to militaryschool, I didn't play football. I
was varsity cross country. I neverever got a trophy. So that's my
first trophy, thank you. Yes, yes, but yeah, we sat

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there, we watched it, andI didn't have any lines. It's the
first episode, and uh yeah,I expected it to be a little different.
I didn't expect it to be likefive minutes one topic and then hop

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to an the topic and hop becausesome of these cases you could do a
whole episode, you know, andI for me, I'm a detailed guy,
and I just but they were doingthe short and skinny and I understand
people's attentions fan these days or likereally yeah yeah. So overall it flowed

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and then kind of had a littlepoint at the end or a little conclusion.
And I think season two is myfavorite because Mufon heavily got involved in
it where they overseed everything and Ifelt very comfortable talking about this material because
Muffon gave the approval. But duringthe first episode, there were some things

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that were questionable, like Jeremy,what kind of aliens? What kind of
species of aliens live under Denver InternationalAirport? That kind of stuff. I
was like, oh boy, youknow, no comment, you know.
But but but the second season,I guess I was seasoned and I had
I was very organized and I wasready to fire those torpedoes. So it

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was just, you know, it'sa learning thing, you know what I
mean. But Season two rocks.I love it. I love Season two.
Year one was more roswall for usUFO people. We've heard these stories
a thousand times, and at leastseason one or season two brought current cases

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in the two thousands with military personnelor uh, you know, good stuff,
you know. And some I remembersome UFO researchers, some state directors
I'm not gonna say their names,came up to me and they were like,
I never heard of that before.And I had to get into it
and go down that rabbit hole andwow. But yeah, same year.
I'm guilty too. There's some ofthese reports. I was like, whoa

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this happened. Yeah, it's amove on report. Read it. Wow?
Yeah, now tell us tell usin a camp fire story types in
the I gotta tell you my JeremyRace story. Sure. So, I
don't know what year that was thatthey were played Hanger one. I think
maybe twenty fifteen ish or something,twenty fourteen, twenty five. I'd have

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to get on IMDb and look,so I had seen you. I'm like
I like that dude. And thenit's kind of when I came into UFOs
and I think I saw you atthe International UFO Congress, Jane. I
remember that day and I remember talkingto you. You do oh yeah,

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but no that that makes me feelgreat. Guy. I remember our conversation,
but you you I want to hearit from your memory. Yeah.
Well, so I was kind ofall start struck, you know, and
I'm like, oh, man,I love this guy and I just love
to pick his brain and stuff.But you know, who am I?

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But I thought, well, whereat the conference and people come up and
talk to you know, everybody anyway, So I kind of you know,
braved it and then had that conversationwith you and stuff, and I'm like,
yeah, I use he's a gooddude and everything, and you know,
I was proud of myself for,you know, not being too scared
and did it. And then youknow, we kind of made that connection

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then. And then later at otherconferences, I think maybe Vegas. I
don't know if you had gone tothe move On in Vegas or I went
to everyone every moved On conference separatethe COVID one that we missed. Yeah.
So then and then the last onein Denver, and then we got
to hang out quite a bit anddid the room crawls and stuff like that.
But anyways, you were you weremy one of my heroes, and

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I got to meet you and thenwe ended up hanging out later. So
one of the absolute coolest things aboutbeing involved with ufology, in my opinion,
is how gracious everybody is and howwe have so often we all just
have this instant connection. You know, Yeah, I really hit it off

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and stuff. So I just wantedto kind of tell you that story because
you know, it's something that youknow, it's important to me. So
really good. Thanks one, Shane, Thank you, Shane. And that's
a memory that I'll always remember too. But one thing is, I think
the reason why we're very family oriented, at least from my perspective, is
the ridicule factor for so long andthen you come into a group of like

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minds, there's no judgment. Let'shear about your experience and you know the
the that's that's great, you knowwhat I mean, because it's everybody that
you're around is into the subject matter. It's just like, h it's like
going to a comic corn or avideo game convention. Everybody's in the video
games and y'all could so that wascool. But I remember, correct me

(01:17:57):
if I'm wrong. I remember youapproached me and we were kind of hidden.
There was like a column here thatblocked so I was going this way
and you came and you you youambush, and so we we actually had
a private, short conversation, andyou told me you saw me on the
show, and and you're not theonly one. What's the other guy?

(01:18:20):
Uh uh? I'm so sorry.It's not bad at names. But people
that saw Hanger One, that reallyenjoyed the show, they met me,
and then they became and then theywere interested in joining move on. I
was like, oh yeah, doit. And then look and a lot

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of a lot of these people arehigh up and move on right now.
So I didn't realize the power oftelevision and the influence of being teleported and
everybody's living room at one time.You know who knows. I mean for
me as an individual, I've gotto be honest, I was a nervous

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wreck. I was like, don'tmess this up. You're represent and move
on. So remember that, don'tdon't give your opinions. To state the
facts and you'll be saying stays onthat show, Jeremy, Or did they
sway quite a bit, because notwhen I was talking, I just read

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the you know, but but thenbut then later on you know this the
they would have reenactment scenes and someof it wouldn't be accurate enough, but
it didn't matter. What bothers usmilitary vets is the uniforms need to be
at least with the right era.Season two, her name was Melissa Tilda

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Tilda or I can't always tidle.She I remember. She was like on
this Facebook thing trying to find it'slike for Hollywood actors, it's like and
trying to find a person to playa military role. And she had this
fifty or sixty year old man.She goes, I'm thinking about having him
as that corporal. And I waslike, that's what we would call in

(01:20:09):
the military a turd. You don'thave a fifty or sixty year old corporal.
You need to find a twenty yearold. A fifty year old man
would be like a general or likea you know, And so yeah,
I did it great. If youever watched season two, uh, their
Lieutenant Schneider and his men looked likeskinny twenty years old. That's very accurate.

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You know, don't get an oldman in there, because that that
guy would have been kicked out inthe yard. I've never heard of a
fifty year old corporal. It mightexist maybe in a National Guard or right,
but yeah, so, but yeah, it was a cool experience to
be behind the scenes and see howthey did it, and I really enjoyed.

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What was really cool is the directorswere into UFOs instead of like,
yeah, we don't believe in us, We're just doing a show. They
had to passion too, which Iknew would probably be a good show.
If they have the passion, weall do. Let's see where it goes.
And yeah, I actually I'm gladI did it, and I have
no regrets doing it, but myfear was definitely clouding my judgment during and

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I'm glad I had families saying,go do it, you know, yeah,
yeah, did you have great stagefright? It's actually not anymore.
Sometimes Katie shoves me up on thestage. I try to hide, you
know, I kick him, like, yeah, they're like, where's Cheerman.
Don't y'all notice when you try tocall me on stage? I'm like

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disappeared, right, But I don'thave stage fright. I just don't have
a planned speech. But once Iget up there, after that first minute,
you know, I just you can'tget me shut up. So that's
your passion. Yeah, we lovethat about you. Yeah, I think
that's important when people's passion shows.I mean, you can tell that,

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you you know, but it bringsout energy and all of us. When
people are passionate, we all getexcited, and it's it's you know,
are yeah, Are there any worksfor move On doing another show similar to
hang Over one in the books oryou know, I unfortunately didn't make it
to the symposium this year. Isthere any buzz? You know? I
mean, I think I'll tell youwhat got my attention David McDonald's speech.

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When he was up there handing outrewards, he said two things that made
me go, I've been waiting forthat for a long time. So I
used to be on the Star teamback when Bigelow h Robert Bigelow funded u
f A research and move On wasa part of that project. It was
called the SIP project stood for StarImpact Project, and of course Star is

(01:22:49):
another acronym for Strike team for yourresearch so I was part of that team
and we did get paid. Thatwas cool. So it's nothing that's so
awesome when you got a hobby andyou're getting paid to do it, you
know. And I don't even seethis as a hobby. I actually see
this as serious business. And Ithink one of the great things about move
On people is how I feel islike it's not that we're like serving our

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country, We're serving the world.We need people like us watching the guys,
you know, and then we talkto this and instead of hiding that
information, you know, we wehelp everybody people that have traumatic events with
ets. We have a team calledthe RT that deals with fall that so
and chain, you know. SoI see it as uh, I don't

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know. I'm very proud to bea part of move On. It's an
honor to me, and it's anhonor to meet everybody that's a part of
move On a family. That's howI feel so well. I think that's
how they can keep a lot ofthe volunteers there is. Yeah, it's
it's a lot of work, andit's a lot of work. If you
don't you're pretty so with ridicule,so free with oh yeah, yeah,

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everybody I'm anna season. I'll tellyou what, I'm pretty pretty seasoned with
the ridicule of the deal with thewhole life, and I actually use it
to my advantage. One job,when I was working security, I had
some people that liked me and they'dcome up and tell me their life stories.
I got a lot of work todo, and they would just suck
my energy. So finally I'm justlike, yeah, let's talk about cattle

(01:24:25):
mutilations. See how far this goes. Dam I never see them again,
you know, I about Yeah,it's not mean to people. Let's just
let's you want to get crazy,let's get but but no, I would
say, I'm season on approaching somebodythat might not have any knowledge of it
and know how to approach them.And I've had I've had many you have

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too, we all have. Butin the beginning, growing up as a
kid and knowing to me that wasreally important, I would say ninety nine
point nine percent, everybody thought didn'thappen, you know, impossible. There's
a just things, the UFOs,you know. But yeah, times have
changed. Now you got Congress,you got the government, you got everybody

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coming out. What's happening right now? Jeremy meet on the grand scale,
like being up looking down. Idon't think it's for us at all.
I think it's for the normies,the people that don't care about this kind
of stuff. And even though forus, for like NASA didn't say anything
or you know, blah blah.It's it's a drip drip drip drip drip

(01:25:32):
drip drip flood that's coming, youknow what I mean. So, and
it's to get everybody on board slowly, but surely it might be a year
or two, it might, youknow, unless an events coming that they
know about. Now, I'd saythe real secret keepers are the are the
UFOs, And if they really wantto, they could just show up and
yeah, what's are But they're realsecretive and just kind of I don't know

(01:25:57):
if discreet st word, but discreet. But you think that in our lifetime
Jeremy, Yes, you do.I used to not think so, but
I do. Yeah, I suredo you have reasons for that premonition?
Oh yes, Uh, I gotfriends in high places. I don't know
what the word, what the wordis, but yeah, the ball is
rolling. So it's for the normansand it's to get you know, get

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everybody acclimated. You don't want toyell bomb and fire on a plane,
Okay, rights right, or yeahwhatever. So that's just my belief.
I have no proof, but Iwant it. I want I would like
to learn something new. My ideaof disclosure is holding it in your hand,
experiencing it for yourself, instead ofhaving all these talking heads. That's

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fine, that's good. But I'vebeen doing this for eighteen years. Let's
take me, take me, letme check it out. Let me be
Jackie Gleason, you know, letme you know Jackie, you know the
story. Or let I would liketo touch the craft and learn his Put
me in a skiff. I'll keepmy mouth shut and let's go through the
files. I'd like to learn asmuch as I can something new. I've
been doing this for quite some time, and I'll say this, I know

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UFOs are real, but the agendabehind it, you know, we don't
still unknown to me, you know. I mean, We've got the lore
out there and we have all thesestories and try to put the pieces of
the puzzle together. But yeah,I'd like to know more. And that's
why I still stay in. It'sjust, uh, there's a lot many

(01:27:30):
reasons why I still stay in.I'm in for life. I'm not going
anywhere unless Katie fires me. Sojar what what? What? Uh?
Evidence? Uh? Huh? Youknow catches your attention the most? What

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because we know with UFOs investigation youhave everything from photos and videos and witness
testimony and credibility and credibility and andand you know, I'm sure you've investigated
hundreds of cases and we always havethose lights in the sky, And how
do you really tell whether they're anomalousor not? I mean, is there

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a is there a form of evidencethat really you value and catches your attention
in particular? Okay, I'm I'm, I'm okay. ART is like a
whole nother group. But before youguys started, I did both. You
know, we all did both.I was always interested in the et cases.
I would love to be in onART, but I want to retire

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so I can go full on Montebecause you know, you know what I'm
saying. So, but no,I what I find fascinating on the type
of people is military personnel, militarypilots, astronauts. People. I like
those. If I could, ifI could pick and choose, I would

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love to just invest since I'm exmilitary, a secondary born paratrooper, I'd
just like to talk to soldiers abouttheir experiences at crash retrievals or whatever.
You know, the list is huge. Yeah, I like that that anybody,
it doesn't matter so evidence wise,go ahead, Katie. I was

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gonna ask you if you had opinionon why you think the Navy's been more
forthcoming and maybe the Air Force isn'tso forthcoming. Okay, I'm sorry,
I think the name Okay, let'sthink about this for a minute. Air
Force flies airplanes, right, Naviesdeals with ships. Right. That's probably
the reason why I've always figured thatif anybody was gonna get it. Yeah,

(01:29:40):
the Air Force got Project Bluebook.That's cool. But you know,
I think the Navy probably gets mostof the I'm guessing most of the money
to deal with that kind of stuff. And if we're doing all world like,
uh, what's that hacker, thatBritish hacker Gary McKinnon. Yes,
you know that there were ships.I wouldn't be surprised that that would be

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the Department of the Navy because theyIt's just me. I don't know.
I would if we were making abet, I would bet on it.
But I bet you and I wouldthink the Army would be doing most of
the crash retrievals, you know,like a special army team or something that's
separate from these branches. You know, you know, we've seen enough.

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I'm not saying like men in black, but a special team that specializes in
that. Whether it's in the intelligencecommunity, like the CIA have their own
special crash retrieval program to deal withthis kind of stuff, it could be
a whole probably the Defense Intelligence Agency, because the Defense Intelligence Agency is the
one that funded Robert Bigelow for thatmove on SIP project. So anyway,

(01:30:50):
get back to the symposium. Thetwo things that David said was he was
going to we're gonna be working andhelping the intelligence community with the UFO reports.
He did sell those words, andthen right after he got done saying
that, he said, we're goingto reactivate the Start team. So we

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already have a star team, right. It's about how he choosed his words
and trying to figure out what themeeting is. But the re Start team
in the beginning was funded and itwas paid, and so maybe that might
happen in the future. I don'tknow. I haven't got confirmation of that.
But I think that would be adream come true. All our hard
work that we've done and we stilldo, it'd be nice to have,

(01:31:35):
you know, some funding to takeit to the next level. And I
want you to know that when wedid have the s I've heard many different
stories, but from my end,one of the greatest things about the Start
team for the Bigelow program. Itshowed that move On was very capable of
having like a quick reaction force todeploy at a moment's notice, be out

(01:31:56):
the door in twenty you know,and be on the side of twenty four
hours. Say everything covered. Imean, you had a per damn rental
hotel. I didn't have to planall this. They planned all that.
I just need to make sure mycar was packed with all the gear and
it's got to be ready to beJohnny on the spot, you know.
And I like that that military.That's the trick is to beat the military

(01:32:17):
there then you gotta step away.But but the Star Team, Jeremy does
the Star Team for those people whodon't know, is it by state,
because I was on I'm on theStar Team in Arizona as well. When
I was doing investigations but wouldn't likethe main mouf on Star Team go out
to some of these cases if they'rereally big. I mean, who Okay,

(01:32:41):
so let's go back in time.Back in the day, they only
had like maybe I think there waslike three or five. Later on it
became five Star Team and that wasit. And that was and then when
Bigelow came in, then they wentaround and they gave everybody these applications to
fell out and they were looking fora certain thing things like PhDs whatever.
I qualified because I had law enforcementmilitary qualifies as law enforcement. That's the

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only thing, you know. Andthen I got it. I don't know
who approved all of it, andit was Richard Lange was a Star Team
manager. He was in Virginia,but he was coordinating all Star Team cases.
And then he was the one voicethat talked to Robert Bigelow. Okay,
so he was the one that managedall that and he took the lead.

(01:33:28):
He would tell me what I neededto do, and he was great.
I learned a lot from him.Great guy. So that and then
the Star Team ended when Big whenthe project was over with, so it
was kind of like you had thepatch, but we still did the same
thing as field investigators did, andthen sometimes like Katie, like Doug had

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something different, like everybody can docategory twos and threes. Katie wants me
to assign season people, and aseason person is a Star Team guy because
or gal is because they had todo a lot of cases to get to
that point. You know, youknow what you're talking about. You know
what you're doing. So when Ialso want you to question me that we

(01:34:11):
can put a Star Team person asthe head investigator. But I also if
you're non Star team, get themin there and get them trained, because
you know a lot of field investigatorswant to work up to Star Team and
they really don't get the experience ofthose good cases, right unless you put
them on those good cases. Sothat's how we do it here in Colorado,
and different states do it differently,but yeah they do. I just
do what Katie tells me to do. Okay, But I think if if

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my fantasy becomes real, my fantasyis big budget, and if you're on
the Star Team, you're already in. We want smart people so that you
just think about it. Once peoplefind out, oh they get paid,
you'll have like a Horde zombies comingright, you know, I want to
be a part of it, right, So I always look at it this
way. If you were a volunteerand you've been here and you've been doing

(01:34:57):
it your heart, I think thesepeople should be Star Team. And if
we could fast track him or gethim on it, you know, if
we're gonna reactivate the Star Team.Those were his words to me. That
just sounds very similar to the BigelowSIP project. Because but I can't,
I can't read David's mind. Thisis just my fantasy. Well, well,

(01:35:17):
we'll see what happened, and ofcourse there would be like I mean,
it would be an interesting kind ofthing to joke will because and who
gets what and where now and allthat. But maybe there's a system for
it. There is a question foryou there, Jeremy though, with speaking
of Bob Bigelow, and do youthink he first of all, question number

(01:35:39):
one, what was he looking for? And did he find it? Okay,
I actually met mister Bigelow, talkto him. I could talk about
that. But what he was interestedwas if anybody got inside the ship and
they saw the cockpit or what ifyou want to call it, the control
panel, they were willing to payfor that type of information. Okay,
so you and use your own thathamster turney and try to figure out why.

(01:36:03):
But you know, what does hedo, right? He sees deflatable
space modules up in space and partnershipwith NASA, so it's probably for aerospace
to try to re engineer or seehow they do it. But they were
interested in that kind of stuff.When I met mister Bigelow, I would
I didn't know him. I didn'tknow that he. I didn't know anything

(01:36:24):
about it. All I knew wassome wealthy billionaire came in to fund UFO
research. And I for me,I like, I like this guy because
if I was a billionaire, Iwould do the same thing too. So
I remember, just like you,Shane, how you cornered me. I
went to I came up in corner. Damn what I did to Richard Doughty.

(01:36:47):
But there's a there's a long versionof his story, but I'll keep
his short and skinny. I shookhis hand and said, sir, I
just want to thank you for usingyour hard earned money to fund UFO research.
And he went, he goes,it's not my money. We have
sponsors, and he winked at me. You know, during that time,

(01:37:08):
it went over my head. Butlater later on, we found out that
that the Defense Intelligence Agency was startinggoing around funding you up for research groups,
and Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Based Studies wasone of them. That money,
of course, came to this SIPproject and trickled down and that's how I
got paid by your taxes. Iguess right, that's tax payer money,

(01:37:30):
right, taxes I could go outand investigate. But no, it was
great. I actually was. Iactually believed I was going to make a
living in doing this. I waslike, this could be my career.
But I only got two cases fora in a period of a year,
so you can't make a living offit because they just paid by the case.

(01:37:51):
But no, it's awesome. Thatwas a piece of history. Be
honest, there was a time whereI was dry having doing the case.
I have to admit I did feellike Agent Moulder. I did. But

(01:38:11):
yeah, now keep in mind allthat Star Team stuff, all that was
way before I got on Hanger One. That came way way later. So
yeah, when when I look ateighteen years of move On, it seems
like I've done a lot, butnot really. It's just been spread out
over time. You know, andyou've got some people that work really,
really hard. But I'm just tryingto retire so I can do it one

(01:38:35):
percent. That's my goal mine too. They have more years. Oh are
you lucky? I don't have anykids, so I figured I can do
it as soon as possible. ButI need a little bit more money.
And I think I'm there. I'llget there soon. Worry. Yeah,

(01:38:57):
and then, Katie, you won'tyou You think I don't know. I
want to be international director A move. Fine, I'm serious, but I
need I want to make sure Igo one hundred percent and not have other
things going on. You know,we'll manifest it. Oh yeah, thank
you. Awesome, we're rooting foryou. Yep, I'll vote for you.

(01:39:18):
Thank you. I'd vote for youtoo, if you wanted to do
it, Shane, any of y'all. Katie, I don't want to do
it. I know I wouldn't wantto do it now in my head,
all right, everything taken care of. Yes, definitely, full on Lante,
I'd do it so cool. Isthere any other crazy questions you guys
want to ask? Yeah, yeah, I do. I do. Like

(01:39:41):
what is your two again two partquestion? What's your favorite case? In
ethology Number one and what's your favoritecase that you've investigated yourself? Okay,
uh yeah, yeah, that wouldbe how much time do we got?
We got about fifteen minutes. See, I can't do the case justice.
I just give you a short andskinny. The one that I did was

(01:40:01):
a Star Team case for the Bigelow. That was one of my Actually I
talked about it so much on podcasts. I should think of a different case.
But there's many. I've had.Some that dealt with police officers chasing
UFO. UFO goes over, townshuts down all the when it's shot up,
all power and town went out.Even dispatch lost radio communication and even

(01:40:26):
their generators didn't work either. Andit's cool when you got police officers that
already wrote up the police report andtheir supervisors like, nope, we're not
accepting it because in the news andso they he meet their police report and
they've done all their investigative work.They knew it wasn't the power company.
It was really great. I likecases like that dealt with law enforcement military.

(01:40:49):
But the one, the Bigelow onehad an entity involved. Two guys
were taken in the car. UFOcame over and took them, obviously.
But while they were being chased byUFO, this neck and man was running
through the desert kind of coming outof trajectory to meet up with the car.
And when it came up, therewas no genitalia and it wasn't human.

(01:41:12):
The head was like an upside downtear drop, and it looked like
it had a hard time holding itshead up while it was running up to
the car. As soon as hehit the car, you know that video
of that alien kind of described itwas. He was running like this,
but his head was crooked, andhe came in and hit the car.
And keep in mind they were tryingto outrun this UFO. So they were

(01:41:33):
going about eighty five miles an houror more and when the thing hit the
car, thing filled up white lightand they felt like they were being lifted
up. They had two hours ofmissing time. They actually forgot about the
event until they were driving down theroad and one of the passengers like,
didn't we hit something? Did wehit a rock? Or give me hit

(01:41:55):
a person? And it had arental Because they were coming from a from
a vaca. They were driving backthrough Texas and so they were worried about
the car, and they got outand they were looking at the car,
and that's when their memories got cameback. And so they contacted move On
and Bigelow's teams showed up right away, and they were really they were really

(01:42:16):
mad. They were very mad becausethey contact move On. They didn't know
who these people were. They feltit was very big brother like and they
didn't want to talk to move On. So Richard Lang knew I was very
not practical, but I could goup to anybody, doesn't matter what your
culture is, and I can talkto you. And these people didn't want
to talk, and so he pickedme to go do it, you know,

(01:42:39):
and I just they were really upsetfor twenty minutes, but I got
them to trust me and ye andspill the beans. But that's just short
and skinny. There's a lot moredetails. But I always found that case
fascinating. I could see the fearand these guys they really had a traumatic
event and they were hoping I hadan answer, and I don't, but

(01:43:01):
I can support you and thank youfor you know, fining report and all
that kind of stuff. But andthere was another part of your question.
I didn't answer the first part whatwas your first part of question? Your
favorite just UFO case in general?Just I like the one. Uh,
there's a lot of them, butI do like the one I'm having.

(01:43:21):
Uh what's it called. It wasin nineteen sixty four UFO landing, Uh
tomorrow in New Mexico. Yeah,thank you, Skor. I was trying
to say, sport. I likethat case. I like the Bentwaters case.
I like the cases that deal withnukes. Oh, UFOs, all

(01:43:43):
all of them, and uh,Robert Hastings his documentary fantastic. I like
that kind of stuff of UFOs.I mean, dude, I can go
on. But anything that deals withthe military or astronauts and they have contact,
just all that. I'm that's Ilike that stuff. But it doesn't
matter. I'm a whole I cantalk to anybody about their sighting, but

(01:44:08):
very interested when you've got like wehad a case where in Texas of military
intelligence officer female was inside I thinka C seventeen or C one thirty and
she took a picture of a ticTAC out of window. Those cases I
like, even though it's a Texascase, I would have loved to have
had that. Yeah, Jeremy,do you think some of these objects are

(01:44:31):
ours, yes, yeah, Andis there any way to differentiate which ones
or do you know which ones youthink? Or well, I know we
can go back to the eighteen hundredsand we can still hear about triangle craft,
you know, So you can't sayit's t R three B unless they
got time travel or then we getlittle woo woo. Here gotta come to

(01:44:53):
a down to earth explanation when Ilook for a structured craft. Okay,
okay, okay. So I'm onthe fence with this tik tak. Guys,
I don't care if anybody gets madat me. I've had people to
attack me on this. I knowthat Commander Fraber he thinks it's from out
of this world, because there's noway that you can do these pink point
maneuvers and have a pilot inside.There's no way they can stand at inertia.

(01:45:15):
But you know that Commander Fraber probablywasn't read in or didn't have the
need to know, you know whatI mean. And what an awesome opportunity
to have a high tech drone thatcan go underwater, in the air and
in space, and let's fly upby one of our pilots because there's a
couple of things about it. Hewas on a training mission, he didn't
have live ammo. Okay, justa couple of things. I'm fifty fifty

(01:45:41):
on it. But you know,if I had a place a bet,
I would bet it's ours. That'sjust me unless you give me more information
I need. I need more informationinstead of these grainy little videos that they're
showing up public. I know theygot better pictures in that. I know
the gun cameras got better pictures thanthat, and I know that satellite footage
not showing it to us all yougotta be in a skiff to see that.

(01:46:01):
Well, I can't wait till theday where they show it to us.
I want, you know, fourK eight quite, you know,
excellent quality, uh, instead ofthese grainy little okay you you know,
Shane and Katie and that we gotbetter pictures in our move on CMS database
than what they're showing out here inCongress and all that kind of stuff.

(01:46:24):
So to me, wasn't that frustratingwhen they tried to show the video that
that first congressional heoric and then theycouldn't. They couldn't. I was like
screaming at me. And then I'mlike, why that for us UFO guys,
yes, but for an average person. I mean people at my work
were like whoa, and I'm likeyeah, I'm like, you know anyway,

(01:46:46):
yeah, there done that. Iwould I would say that advanced I
would I would make it. IfI can make a guess, I would
say eighty five percent of them oars. Wow, Okay, that's fair enough.
Air aerospace companies. I'm not goingto name the names because I don't
know for sure. I'm just whynot right you talk about having flying cars,

(01:47:09):
we should have flying cars right now. It's been rich the father of
I forgot but Blockheed Martin when hestepped down, he said it would take
an active He says, you'd takean act of God to get these stuff
out of the black projects to benefithumanity. And then once you roll this

(01:47:30):
out, it might not even beit might not even be extraterrestrial. It
might be Nicola tells as stuff thatthey hidden a long time ago. Because
you know what I mean. Butwhen you're talking about other UFOs that are
dimensional or lights or like experiences thatyou and me have had, Katie,
I do not think that was ours, because I don't know the conscious texts

(01:47:53):
you in a different way that consciouspeace. Yeah, so to me,
I knew by instinct it's not fromhere. It didn't it doesn't belong there.
You know, this is something totallydifferent. So you got all this
going on. But I wouldn't Iwouldn't be surprised that we have our own
UFOs. It's like the t Rthree B, and I hear there's many
other models that are way better thanthat one, the Space Force. I

(01:48:17):
actually I heard that if you lockon a t R three B that it
could and I actually said this onHanger one. The UFO files that it
can manipulate your radar to show multipleTRV three R t R three vs.
So while it's doing this ping pointmaneuver and you've got multiple popping up all
over your radar, good luck tryingto lock on one, you know.
So that's pretty And then some ofthe cloaking technology are some of them look

(01:48:43):
like clouds, say that again,but I like, are some of these
not actual crap? But like projectionscould be used, like maybe project there's
a lot of sides. Just beplaying a jet and just project other jets
and confuse that mean, okay,well how about this We had a two
investigators almost say their names, butyou know they are. They did a
cattle mutilation case. They wrote aboutit in their book, and they had

(01:49:06):
a helicopter hover right above the car. But they couldn't see the helicopter,
you know what I mean. Butthey could feel the wind, they could
hear it, but they couldn't seeit too. Moved on, investigators.
You know, so clocking technology isreal. I assure you on that it's
pretty it's pretty good. I've seena UFO that was inside a cloud and

(01:49:27):
let me know it was in there, and then it when it turned slights
off, it stayed the cloud.But I watched the cloud when it started
to dissipate that the other part ofthe cloud would come back in and tuck
in. So I got to lookfor a long time, got to look
at this, and I figured thatone was Uncle Sam. I know,
maybe I'm the lucky guy. Let'sfly. Let's fly our high tech craft
over Jeremy race house and see becauseit looked like a donut, but it

(01:49:51):
was it was. It was metal. It was a dull metal. But
it was about the size of acar, you know, so it wasn't
a big op Silent Week, butit had a cloud cloaking technology on it.
And then another part of cloaking islike filming the ground or no filming

(01:50:11):
above you, and they're projecting theimage on the ground. But I think
they got something better than that.And I'm very interested to see the schematics
on it. But yeah, Iwould say that most most of these things
might be ours and some and mostand some of these aren't. So you
just you know, No, that'sas much as I can say on it.

(01:50:32):
I think the tick techs ours.I don't care. I want to
write, I want to do it. Why why do you have these like
backward l things on it? Youknow, these little antennas right, you
got those on ICBMs or whatever kindof I don't know. It's just you
know, just kind of try tocome to it down to earth explanation,

(01:50:54):
and if you can't, then it'san unknown. Doesn't mean it's alien.
It just meant we did our checklistand you know it. Anyway, that's
my two cents on it. Butit would be great to have some of
these black projects revealed or opened upand where you could not only for the

(01:51:14):
specific thing that they're developing, butthe development process. And I actually think
I think what we should do isinstead of just finding your top scientists in
the world and hiding them in anarea, you know, controlled area,
and have them try to figure itout, I think you'd probably need an

(01:51:35):
Einstein to figure some of this stuffout if it's truly eat right. So
your next Einstein might be a kidthat's in a third world country and poverty
and not having a good education,you know, and probably but a genius,
but will never have the opportunity towork on something like this. And

(01:51:56):
this kid right here would be theone to solve the mystery. So I
think we should have everybody involved,all walks of life. This isn't about
what country, this is about humanity, Okay, so every country should be
on board. Every walk alife broughtsmartest minds for us to start to solve
this mystery and to better ourselves too. Yeah. Well, Jeremy, that
that kind of kind of goes toyour point about how you know they're looking

(01:52:19):
for people on the Star team whowere credible, you know, very credible
witnesses, because there is something aboutthat when you're doing your field investigations.
But a lot of these witnesses arejust average people like me, and I
feel I'm incredible, you know,but I know there's a scale, but
you know, get everybody involved becausewe all do have something important to sexually.

(01:52:43):
I think we just need to findout what the standard is and if
you can meet the standard, thenyou become star team, you know.
I mean like if I don't knowhow many cases it is, but just
just yeah, and if they're gonnarevamp it or reactivate as Dave said,
then we've got we've got everything readyto rock. He should do it.
Everybody should do it. We onlyhave this time flew by. Okay,

(01:53:08):
you had one of our I thinkKathleen, one of our listeners. Thanks
for all of our listeners for beinghere. Like we need three hours on
the show, because Jeremy, you'vebeen fascinating. We only have what four
minutes left? And yeah, yeah, I know it flew by, But
I would you know, kind onterrorist track as far as what would you
like to see for you fology inthe next year, I mean, what

(01:53:30):
can we all do to kind of, you know, help push forward.
And I think we should. Ithink we're doing it. Davis Dave has
been going back and forth. Inobody hears about this, but he've been
talking to Congress, you know,and I don't really have a lot of
faith in Congress. But it's astep okay, It's even like NASA,

(01:53:50):
not always a straight answer. ButI think we all need to work together
and share information and try to solvethis mystery. I think there's people that
already have solved the mystery. Weneed those people to come forward. I
know David Krish is spearhead in amovement. I'm more excited about the whistleblowers
that work on these projects, thatare standing in line waiting to come forward.

(01:54:14):
Do you think more people are goingto do that because they're I mean
the one the couple that just cameforward, they're giving them quite the hard
time. And is that intentional?Do you believe in the faction there's some
that don't want this out, sothey're attacking and to make an example out
of David with his post traumatic stress. That's that's pretty that's that's pretty weak.
But anyway, basically, what Iwas gonna say was trying to scare

(01:54:40):
the other important ones that are behindthem. Maybe we shouldn't talk, you
know, but I think I thinkthis the time. I think people need
to have some courage. It's notabout you, It's just about humanity.
And if I worked at a atop secret thing like that and I had
some answers, yes, you betI would stand up there. I would.
I risk my life, I would. Yeah, just get it out,

(01:55:03):
yep. So it's well said.So all this, I mean,
I stay away from certain platform mediasocial media platforms out there because I hear
it's getting kind of nasty out there. So a little message out, you
know, just knock it off andhave respect and put everything in that gray
basket, like the gray and thegreat folder. I have the great cabinet.

(01:55:30):
Yes, well yeah, well,thank you. I want to personally
thank you, Jeremy for all thehard work and dedication that you do give
to not only Big Move On,but Colorado move On in particular. You
are fantastic with our field investigators,and you've just been so wonderful to having
a great mentor for so many people. And you do matter, and all
of us matter, and what wedo and what we give to others and

(01:55:54):
our witnesses and just being an earfor people, because like you said,
there's people you know we're ridiculing.Sometimes feel a little odd man out and
so to have have that camaraderie andthat support is really important. So just
personally, I want to thank youfor everything you've done, and thank you
for being a guest on our showand move on. What's up Saia to
Cassie for me, Shane, thankyou, tear Off, thank you,

(01:56:16):
thank you for being here. Fun. We went to the book center today
and saw some wolves. It wasa lot of fun. And and thank
you to Chanelle for running the backend. We missed you while you were
gone, so we're happy to haveyou back. I really appreciate. Thank
you to Bill Skywatcher and Kgrra andstay tuned. Who's coming on next week?
Oh, next week we have MichaelSchratt. Michael Schrott will be with

(01:56:40):
us next Tuesday night. So wehope to see you guys back here next
week live and until then, havea great rest of your your week,
everybody, and thank you for beinghere. Thanks Jerry, thank you,
Shane. You guys have a goodnight. Thank you