Michael Schratt

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Episode Transcript

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are we alone in the universe?I am your host, Katie Page,
Colorado, MUFON State Director and MarsAdministrator, and I have some kind
of exciting news about Mars too,and we'll get to that when Tara talks
about her Mars Case of the Week. Tonight, we are catching up with
a good friend of mine, MichaelSchratt. It'll be fun to see what

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he's up to and see what hethinks about all these exciting things have been
happening in the last couple of monthsand get his opinion on that. So
I'm looking forward to having him onthe show tonight. Let's bring in my
co host, my awesome co host. First, we have Tara Daulis.
You can see Tara right here onSkytour live stream with Mark di Antonio on
KGr A. Hi, Tara,how you doing. Hey, what's up?

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Katie? You good to see youagain. I know you made her
home safe as you guys know howspeak. She was right here in Colorado.
It was really fun having you herewith me to do the show.
I mean that was about because wewere we could feed off of each other
right here. So I kind ofmiss you. I'm like, I would
i know, just fly out everyweek. That would be a blast,

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you know, Okay, we'll bringShane. We'll just all three just you
know, rotate around. That's awesome, it would be great. That'd be
great. Speaking of Shane, ShaneHeard is Arizona Muffon's assistant state director.
He's also on the RT. Howyou doing, Shane. Good? Good?
We have found I know we havea little bit of a lag and

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some technical difficulties, but we heardyou. So you are here and I
can see your face. Yeah,I mean okay, yeah, I'm experiencing
some lag here. I may haveto shut down and rejoin you guys in
a few minutes. Let's see howit goes up. Okay, Well,

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I hope you come back soon andanytime, we'll catch up with Tarren.
See what she has for our memeof the week and our products. Yeah,
well, today's meme shows two alienscongregating around the hand sanitizer. You
know, one is saying to theother, I just don't ask. We
can all kind of relate to thehand sanitizer these days, the miracle goo.

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Right, So that's all right,that's right, and it's starting back
up. Tis the season, tisthe flu season, It is COVID season.
Everybody, just you know, keepthat hand. I'm mostly used that
hand sanitizer when I go to thegas stations. I have a thing of
it, the purel right there inthe jeep. You know, so yeah,

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real quick, I've gotten such ahabit of that. I'm so many
people. Sure, so many peoplehave gotten that habit as well. Just
well it's not too much of abad thing, that's for sure. Well,
right, you know, today's productswere found on Etsy, and being
up in Colorado made me want toget a little bit warm. So I
found a whole bunch of UFO andalien socks. So you have these are

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fun ones with UFOs on them,and then you have some with some blue
space aliens and galaxies and it feelsfun. Here's an alien that just beamed
down, so he's just checking outthe Earth. And these are some very
pink, peaceful aliens, you know, I love that. Yeah, very
fun. And you have some alienswearing Hawaiian shirt, little cru socks,

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and then you have some space travelersand those are funky and fun. Yeah,
how about some aliens peeking through somestripes. That's kind of fun.
And you know, here's some doyou know those are ships in the forest,
a little cruise that's cute, andsome footies. I love the purple.
And then here's some little trippy alienheads. You know, well,

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who doesn't love the alien socks?And found on Etsy, folks where you
can find just about anything. SoKatie and Shane, who's out there?
Are you staying hydrated today? Katie? You know, being in altitude you
have to so fuel up. Thereyou go. It has a proprietary formula
with the finest cellular hydration and ithelps support cognitive skills, focus, concentration,

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and energy. So there you go. Visit fuel up dot gg slash
move on for more information. AndKatie, so as we're waiting for Shane,
I'm wondering what you've moving up toolately. Oh well, I got
to go to a concert Friday night, so that was fun, and then
my granddaughter had her first birthday onSaturday, so it was a fun weekend

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for me. What about you,Yeah, well, nothing that exciting.
So just got back from Colorado andjust kind of recovering and playing with the
zoo. So you do have youcan you can share why we're waiting for
Shane to pup in. Tell usabout your animals, because I know you
do have quite the zoo there.We do. All of our animals are

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rescues and let's see the account.We've kind of shift account recently, but
we have five cats and two dogs, two giant tortoises that are about one
hundred pounds each, and a littlebunny that's about three pounds, and about
twenty birds and they're all these records. I have about three hundred birds,
but they all ave outside. Ohmy gosh, they do, and they're

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so beautiful. So well, speakingof that, since Shane's kind of not
back yet, I could certainly goon to the Mars case if you'd thought,
okay, let's do it. Let'sjump right into your Marsh case.
And oh so the special announcement thisChristmas is when we're going to be rolling
out. So yeah, so staytuned for on how and where and when

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you can access some of these awesomefiles. But let's get a sneak peek
at what's available. Yeah, andthere's tons of files. There's like ten
thousand files from if I'm remembering correctly, to give or take a few.
So starting out with Mars. Sothis week's Mark's case would be considered a
fairly recent one that occurred in Februarythird of two thousand. So it was

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near Rockmark, Georgia. So thisfile contains the report only and so not
the investigation, and it involves avery credible witness. So it was about
four am when a corporal for theCounty Police Department, was preparing to work
his early morning traffic shift. Sothere he was. He was parked on

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the there's a sketch in the signing. He was parked on the highway,
facing north with his lights off anddoing some paperwork. And at four oh
nine am, he looked at hisclock and then glanced at the highway and
surrounding area, and as he did, he noticed in the southern horizon and
object heading west at a very highrate of speed. And mccata's eye was

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a red glow outlining around shaped objectthat appeared to have a clockwise spinning motion.
And there you see his sketch andit shows the direction of that possible
spin. Wow. So he hadbeen looking out the front car window,
so he decided to get a closerlook, and after opening his car door,
he tried to get out of thevehicle, but he realized he still

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had his seatbelt on, and soit was at this point that he saw
the object at object at an angle, flying almost overhead. So he described
it as now more of a geometricin shape, almost triangular, but gray
in color, giving a full outlineof its edges. So that's kind of

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a side overhead view of how hedescribed that wow. After it passed at
the rear, he could only seea circular red glow. So the object
passed a nearby trader park and wasout of sight, allowing the officer to
directly view it for an estimated twoseconds, which is still quite a bit
of time. So there we show. There we show his sketch and his

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cars in the middle and the bottomof the blue, and from left to
right is the object as it flewoverhead. So he wasn't sure of what
he saw and waited for about fifteenminutes before contacting nine to on one and
dispatch to check on any reports ofhis strange sightings, and there were nine.

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So the officer stated that the pointhe first observed the object to seeing
it overhead, and then when itwas out of sight, there was no
smoke trails, nor was there anysound of an engine or propulsion system.
And he also said that the sightingliterally scared him because he knew it was
he wasn't looking at an airplane ora helicopter. And he added that he

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that he that he was sure thatwhat he saw was a physical object.
So that's his handwritten report there.So that's our Mar's case of the week.
And and I can't wait to getall these opened up for everybody to
see and these objects that people do. I love seeing the sketches that these

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witnesses draw. It's very telling andit's so funnyhow because we think like this
was this case was like from twothousand, correct, correct, And it
sounds so like not long ago,but it's twenty three years ago. In
my world, I hear like twothousand. I'm like that was yesterday.
But these older cases like this,I just love them because and this is

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true to this day too. Likeif you're a witness and you have a
sighting, sketches, drawings, diagramsare also helpful, especially when you go
back years or decades later and youhave those two reference and look at it.
I mean, it just puts youthere at the sighting. And you're
right, having that police officer actuallycalling to dispatch, I mean obviously affected

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him in a way. Yeah,And that circular motion the gray and that's
just your although he drew it asa disc and then he saw a close
up, you're right, it doesresemble a triangle shape craft. So that
is fascinating what state was that outof again, that was in Georgia,
Georgia, Georgia, yep. Soand the gray color is interesting too,
so you hear of you know alot of perhaps military drones being dirt gray,

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that battleship gray kind of color.So right, interesting, but the
size of it seems a little hardfor that. Yeah, no, sounds
all that kind of thing. Sothat's a fascinating case. And like I
said, so many of those casesas you know, Terra being on the
MARS team and going through so manycases and reading those you you know,
the work that went into those oldercases before we were spoiled with the Internet

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and kind of getting a little bitlasadaisical investigate. You know, well,
this case had some photographs that werephotocopied, and you know that that doesn't
do you very well. You knowone version that they just start getting black.
So hopefully, you know, Ithink there's a project in case.
I think Muman wants to start makingalso videos and photographs available and it's probably

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related to how the MARS is beingrolled out in other projects down the road,
So that'll be cool to see theactual submitted things. So it's right
now, the CMS cases are there, but the old cases are not so
right right. It'll be so goodto have them all together like they should
be, so very cool. Thanksfor sharing that, Tara. I think
we do have Shanebeck. I don'tknow if we can bring them up,

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and maybe he can do. Haveyou heard? I know he was going
to talk about and preview a newfilm that has recently come out. So
have you heard? Hey? Ihear him. Yeah, great, finally
worked. I had to switch tomy other Netted PC, my other PC,

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so well, thank goodness. I'mnot the same without your Shane.
So I'm glad you're here. Yeah. Thanks guys, painting the rear,
getting this together. But we're good. It is good, all right,
So you're ready for me? Iam take it away, Shane. Well,
have you heard? There's a newmovie out and the movie is called

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No One Will Save You and itcame out September twenty second on Hulu.
Don't worry, I'm not gonna revealany spoilers, but I do have a
few comments I'd like to make becauseI found this movie really interesting and intriguing.
Do you want to show the trailerfirst or second? Yeah, let's

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do it. Let's show the trailerfirst and then talk about it all.
Right, Yeah, love it?What what a It was awesome? So

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I've already watched it twice. Ohyeah, and you know what, turn
all the lights off and just makeit real spooky. It's great. But
what I wanted to talk about alittle bit is, first of all,
I want to recommend it to anyUFO person and stuff, you know,
but obviously careful too, because youknow it could trigger someone if if they

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have issues with that. So,but what's really different about this movie You
could kind of tell by the lookof it it's an alien movie but in
a horror style, and just alook of it you could tell is sort
of like, you know, hadthat look and feel of a horror movie.
But it was a great mix ofthat and you don't see that often.

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And then the other thing about itis, you know how in most
alien movies and horror movies, like, they never really let you get a
good look at the alien or atthe monster, or if you do,
it's kind of at the end andit's just a quick shot, and you
know, they build up suspense thatway and all that, but this movie

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you get a little bit of that. But then you get a look at
it, and you get a lookat it some more, and you can
look at it all you want fora long time. And I'm that's awesome,
right, because you could really youreally, they laid it all out
there. And what's another thing that'svery different about this movie, and don't

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let it turn you off. Theentire movie. There's no dialogue. I
think there's one line somebody says something. Really, but this actress, her
name's Caitlin Dever Dever or Dever andI'm not kidne you for ninety three minutes

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though she doesn't utter a word,you know exactly what she's thinking. She
was brilliant in this thing, andso I thought that was really intriguing.
And it was like twenty minutes I'minto it before I realized there was no
dialogue. You know, So theyreally, they really do a great job
of telling the story with with youknow, her acting skills and with the

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camera angles and you know. Thewriting is written by Brian Duffield, I
think, and it was it wassent out by twentieth Century Studios, so
it's a studio movie, but itwas released on Hulu Friday night, and
it's I think it's distributed through DisneyPlus like everywhere but America. But they

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kind of the interesting thing is thisthing was ready to go, uh,
you know, a year or soago. Do you guys remember the movie?
Nope? Yeah, yeah, noI did. I wasn't. I
wasn't a fan. Yeah yeah,it wasn't my cup of tea either.
But they postponed the release of thisone because COVID messed everybody schedule up and

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they were going to get release atthe same time. And Brian Duffield here,
he felt like, I don't wantto compete with Nope and I.
He hasn't really seen it, andhe didn't want to, you know,
either have two similar things out oryou know that kind of stuff. So
they released later and they released itto streaming. But you know, it's

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getting rave reviews. You know,some people don't like it, but you
know, in general, it's gettingrave reviews. So from that's that makes
it very different without that dialogue.But as I said, and I don't
want to do any spoilers here,but the movie is deeper than you think
on the surface, and you cankind of tell that, but it's kind

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of hard to follow a little bitbecause you're just so kind of shocked and
amazed at what you're seeing. Butthen when I watched the second time,
then you know, it just deffirmedwhat I was suspecting. But it's really
a deeper has a deeper meaning aboutthis, this main character's trauma that she

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experienced in childhood, and it setsreally the stage for all of these events
and ultimately how the aliens deal withher. And so it's it's an important
part of the story. And soI'm going to at least mention it so
that as you're watching it, justpay attention to her childhood things and the

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way people are treating her. Andthen the ending is very different, but
it's actually brilliant and and and itrelates back to this underlying thread the whole
movie. So I just really recommendeveryone watch it. Keep an open mind.

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It's visually beautiful, Uh, thestory is good. Uh, it's
great, and that the acting isjust you know, superb, I thought,
and and so it's well worth yourtime. It's only an hour and
a half movie, so you knowit doesn't you know, John, And
I just recommend do it. Watchit at night, turn all your lights
on, you know, con blanketon your sofa or you're you're bad,

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whatever you need to do, andget ready to be scared. But you
know it's not. It's not terriblyfrightening, but it's it's good. You
get to see the goods. Soright, here's homework, Tera, Terra,
we have homework. We both needto walk the film before next Tuesday
night. Next Tuesday night, we'regoing to revisit it and see what you
and I think about it, becauseI'm curious about well, just watching the

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trailer, I wasn't sure if itwas paranormal in nature or UFO in nature
or abduction, and if it isn'tabduction, it seems really terrifying. So
I'm it'll be curious. I'll becurious to have a discussion on if they
change that dynamic or if they didreally make it a terrifying event, which,
of course, when you're taking againstyour will that that's never okay,
right, and that's what we've talkedabout in the past, So I makexous

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to see it now. I amgoing to watch it tonight after the show's
trying to find a good movie andI will skip the Trials of Oppenheimer and
watch this instead. So thanks forthat tip, Shane we have a little
fun this week with something. Yeah, I love that. No, that's
always great. We should do amovie review every week. I love it
if it's you EVO related anyway,So two case of the week. I

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have a case of the week thisweek is case number one three three eight
nine three. It was a categorytwo, but it was switched to a
category one because there was no physicaleffects. This case occurred September fourth,
twenty twenty three, so a veryrecent case that was just recently closed out
of micro North Carolina. So basically, the witness state said, I took

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my dog out before bed. Sohow many cases do we get and move
on where they're out walking the dog, or they're out having a smoke,
or they're in the hot tub inthe backyard. In the backyard, those
are what you do in the backyard. Anyway, as I was about,
let's see, I want to tookmy dog up it before bed,
and I was about to close myback door when I noticed a bright blue

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light caught her eye through the trees. It was getting closer. I knew
it was something strange. I ranand I got my phone so I could
film it. I saw it wasa triangular shaped object. So even though
it was a quick look, Icould see the whole object and it was
huge, and it didn't make asound, and it was unbelievable what they
saw. There are all kinds ofmilitary planes that fly in my area all

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the time, and I am familiarwith their sounds and the way they look,
and nothing compares to this one.This UAP. I only wish I
had much longer to view it.It was very exciting to see what I
did. And now I look atthe sky much longer, now closed as
an unknown UAB. So I havethe original video we can show first m

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hmm took and I cropped it.I put it into Adobe after effects.
I cropped it down and I changedthe brightness and the exposure the best I
could to get a better closer lookat it. And in the bottom right
hand corner you can kind of seethe roofline of the house, so it
gives you a little bit better perspective. So, Chanelle, if you could
please run that second slowed down croppedversion of the video, and then I'll

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show a couple of photos. Thelighting and the blue is really unusual.

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The light configuration is very unusual,and the one I stopped it here because
she says she saw a triangular shapeand I look, I didn't see any
structure to the craft. But herein the bottom right hand you could see
the roofline of a house. Andthen I thought this light configuration where I
pause, it looks, you know, more more like a triangle perhaps.

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And then that second photo, thisI thought almost looked like maybe the back
end of a triangle. It's hardto say, or I don't know,
but I have not seen light configurationslike this on anything, have you,
Shane or Tara? No, No, that's and that color is pretty rare.
You know, you see a lotof amber or red or white or

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green, but that blue ish ispretty unusual. That's actually I love that
video. That that's pretty freaky.And when you played it in real time
up front, Yeah, look atthat. They they they're they're flashing or
or you know, intensifying. Andthen yeah, that's weird trees or what.

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Yeah, the witness I believe itwas a female. I'm not sure
on that, but I I thinkthe way it was written was a female.
But she states there were a lotof trees and that's why she couldn't
get such a clear view from outher from her camera. So what kind
of because I was wondering how youcould see it so clearly over here and
then you kind of lose it fora segment. I think it went behind
the trees, and she states itmade no sound at all, so and

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it looks fairly low as far aselevation goes. So really compelling case.
So that's a cool one out ofNorth Carolina. So if you're in North
Carolina, keep your eyes to thesky. I mean, do that anyway,
no matter where you are. Yeah. Yeah, so a cool case,
school case for sure. Yeah,reporting those to move on. I
just want one where I can freezeit and you can see the structure and

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we'll be like, yes, hereare is saras with figures inside behind the
windows. That's all we need.We're not asking for much, right right.
Well, I'm glad that Shane,we got your camera and video and
sound all figured out. I thinkit's a good time to bring in our

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guests. Michael Schrett let me readhis bio really quick. Michael is a
private pilot and aviation historian, hasbeen He has been investigating UFO encounters for
over twenty five years. Between twothousand and eight and two thousand and nine,
Michael meticulously reviewed a minimum of fiftythousand cases. We think nine thousands

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a lot. In Mars, he'sa fifty thousand, oh my totally count
which we're preserved at KUPO Center forUFOs Studies Archives in Chicago. In an
effort to maintain an important part ofour national history, Michael has recreated dozens
of highly credible UFO cases by theuse of drawings, illustrations, and commissioned
artwork. Many of these include USOSunidentify submerge objects, actual extraterrestrial encounters,

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and prehistory UFO cases which have neverseen the light of day. That is
so true, and that's what Ilove about Mars two is you get to
see the obscure cases. You know, we get a little tired of I'm
not not to say anything, butRendelshin and Roswell and all the you know,
even the Phoenix lights. Hate tosay it, we get a little
tired of just hearing these same oldcases over and over. So the fact

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that Michael has gone through these fiftythousand cases and is giving these new life,
breathing new life through these unbelievable illustrationsis just fantastic. Let's see where
was I. In addition, hehas performed the most exhaustive research effort on
the Leonard Stringfield UFO crash retrieval historicalcases. Michael has appeared on multiple media

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platforms, including the following Coast toCoast am History Channel, Paranormal Matrix,
UFO Hunters, Fade to Black,and an addition, Michael has been a
guest speaker at multiple UFO conferences,including the following Phoenix move On, Orange
County move On, International UFO Congress, move On Symposiums, and UFO con
and many more. It's always funto hang out with Michael at these conference

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So welcome to the show. MichaelSchratt. Good to be with you.
Ah, it's awesome, Michael.Four friends hanging out, that's right,
right. So, you know,when I contacted Michael to come on to
the show, he kind of islike, Man, I'm kind of you
know, Wayne and losing hope.I mean, and that's how we all
feel. I told him, I'mlike, we we all kind of go

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through that, especially with you know, the Mexican hearing or the hearings that
just happened and the himI masson andthen you got the whole you know,
with these what from my research thatI'm doing, looks like he's in a
little bit of hot water. There'smultiple different bones and these things, and
it kind of gives ufology a badname. And then you know, the

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whistleblowers are getting pummeled, and it'sthese where we feel like we're making progress
but we're not, and it kindof wears on you a little bit.
You know, you're just like,dang it. So Michael, what do
you think about all these things thathave been going on recently in the news.
You know, I think it reallyboils down again like it always does.
It's the physical evidence that counts themost. I mean, we're at

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a point now that we're way beyondneeding another CE one or CE two case
to file away. We've already gotthousands of those, so a CE one
case isn't going to do us anygood now. What we really need now
and doctor Greer has put a vehiclein place now in Washington, DC for
these witnesses to come forward, firsthandmilitary witnesses to come forward without any negative

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ramifications. And then that's going toinclude physical evidence, the witness testimony,
and that's what we need to movethis forward. Anything less than that,
we're just spinning our wheels. Iagree, you know, yeah, that's
where we're at right now. Andthat's why I think that it's the crash
or trivial cases that are the rosettastone for moving this field forward, because

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we need the bodies, we needthe craft, we need debris, we
need the autopsy photos, we needthe DNA analysis, and anything less than
that, we're going to be hereanother seventy five years. And yeah,
that is so true, because it'sgoing to take that for be. I
mean, I'm always stunned with howmany people just are just like oh ho
hum another day, Like you know, it's like wait a minute, are

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you not hearing what they're telling us? But you're right, it's going to
take all of the above, thesecrash retrievals, and Michael, if you
can share with us. I mean, there's some crash retrivals that were more
familiar with the Roswell crash, right, and some people are aware of the
Aztec crash. But there's I mean, how many crashes have there been and
so many of them are not wellknown. I mean, can you estimate

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how many crashes are been just inthe United States or worldwide. Well,
we'll share our screen. But withinthis book right here, there's one hundred
and nineteen crash or trieval cases really, so you know, and then doctor
Geer's got additional documented cases there.So now the number is much larger than
that. So and all we needis one to be correct, and the

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whole case for non existence of pressuretrievals completely falls apart. So the numbers
are in our favor. Numbers arein our favor. Wow, wow,
yep, right, Shane, didyou have a question? You're muted.
No, I'm just squirming because ofthis. You know, the same frustration
you guys are talking about. Andyou know, it's such a curious thing

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that that proof. You would thinkproof is not subjective, but it acts
really is. Nothing is true untilenough people except that it's true. And
it doesn't matter. I'm not talkingto just UFOs, it's anything, right,
And and so you know what,with this whole disclosure and all of

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these things, there is very fewI can only think of one thing actually
that most, if not all,people would accept as proof, and and
it's probably not pretty, and thatthat would be some sort of mass revelation

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of their existence on the part ofaliens. Uh, you know, maybe
like the Independence Day thing, thebig craft a coming out of the clouds
and you know, and for forenough people to see that, people's doubt
and government. Now to have thegovernment come out and say, oh,
we've got him, I don't eventhink that would do it that. I

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don't think that's proof. And evenif they you know, showed a crash
retrieval uh debris or you know,bodies, there will be a large number
of people that will not even acceptthat. So, but you know,
I think that's extreme and a minority. But but this whole disclosure thing is
very frustrating in that, like manyof us are convinced, you know,

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the phenomena is real, right thatthere's there's navy videos in the military and
now Congress and everybody's saying, hey, the phenomena, it does exist.
So to me, that's a great, big win. We haven't had that
in seventy five years. But now, as you guys have said, we
want to, we got to getbeyond that. Now that that's easy for

(34:44):
us to grasp. Right, maybepeople knew people out there, people who
don't pay attention. It was abigger deal to them than to us,
to us interested in UFOs, itwas the acknowledgement that was really you know,
valuable and important. So I thinkit's going to be a tough slog

(35:04):
to really get get the majority ofpeople to accept proof, and it just
depends on what it is. SoI mean, again, I have to
remain positive. We all do,right, we we know the reality of
this, but to get it acceptedmainstream, that's it's gonna be rough and
we're just gonna have to be patient. And I hope it happens in our

(35:25):
lifetime. But like you were saying, Terror, I think it's like one
step forward and two steps back,especially with Congress and NASA and the military,
the DoD that whole thing. Butyou know, there's encouraging signs.
You know, we have you knowa lot of whistleblowers and stuff coming out.
So we just have to keep thatpressure up and hopefully something pops.

(35:50):
So sorry, I didn't mean togrant, but no, no, I
agree, and Michael, I knowterror does too. Yeah, and it
does. I mean we all gothrough as a zufologists and researchers and investigators
the sense of like where we getdisheartened and a little like, oh,
you know, because we're trying topush through these stereotypes and that and it's

(36:12):
just until we have these. SoI'm really happy to hear Michael that you
are, you know, really focusingon these crash retrievals. And in fact,
I think you have a new presentationand I think we're going to be
privy to some of your slides thatyou wanted to share with us, so
you know it kind of take itaway on where you want to start with
this, and we'll share your screensso you can can share with us.

(36:35):
Can you see now? Can yousee it now? There is? You
do see it? Okay? Yeah, yeah, perfect, good, excellent.
Okay. I think we're all setup here. Now. What I
want to do here is I wantto review some of these cases that I've
previously gone over. But the differenceis we've added new drawings, new illustrations,
new full color graphics. So Ifelt it did warrant going over some

(36:58):
of these older cases. Now credithas to go to Rudy Garde on,
my friend, for doing the sketcheson these, so I want to give
credit for these. It's great,he's he's my artist, and so you
know the process here is we readthrough the Leonard Stringfield book and then we
pick up the best of the best. I'm talking about you know, one

(37:21):
of the military witnesses that has avery good background. He has a detailed
description of it, a sketch,maybe a drawing, rough pencil sketch,
a flight past something. There's there'sgot to be meat on the bones or
I'm not going to take it.It's it's got to be the best of
the best cases. From that point, we kind of like vet out what

(37:43):
we want to see here and doa rough first pass of the drawing.
And once we get that done,then we start refining the drawing and you
know, I kind of see thevision of what this thing should look like
just by looking at this and feelingthis out, and then that's how we
get a finalized, refined drawing.In a nutshell, that's how we do
this, all right, Yeah,fifteen minutes to the top of the hour,

(38:04):
So let's go about fifteen minutes in. I'll kind of give you a
heads up when when Bras come in, and then Roger that also want to
give credit to Joel, Christopher Payneand my friend Joseph Raith for also doing
the full color illustrations. Okay,Now, as we talked about before,
if you want the very detailed descriptionsof these crash retrieval cases, you have

(38:25):
to get this book. UFO CrashRetrievals by Leonard Stringfield nineteen seventy eight to
nineteen ninety four. This book isnot for the faint of heart. It
is a long book. It's detailed, it's completely text. There's virtually no
illustrations, there's no drawings, andso that's what my goal has been the

(38:47):
last it's almost been two years now, I guess, is taking these cases
from the first hand military witnesses andmaking them come alive through the use of
illustrations. Okay, so let's starthere. UFO Crash Retrieval in nineteen forty
two. So we're already talking beforeRoswell. Here we've got forty one Cape

(39:07):
Gerardo. Now we've got forty two. We're already prior to Roswell by years.
Here this was at an army basenorth of Georgia that Leonard didn't even
know where this was. And thisis page three nineteen in the book that
I just showed everybody. So ifthey want to get the details, it's
all in the book. Now,as this craft came down, the side

(39:28):
of the craft clipped the side ofthe building of the army base, and
there was a whole breach on theside of the craft. This thing was
fifteen feet wide ten feet high,and it had these hieroglyphic writings written on
the outer bottom circumference of the craftitself. There were three levels to this
thing. So there was a controlroom which was sort of on top that

(39:49):
had a panel with buttons and switchesand dials and lever That's what you see
on the upper section of the detailedview on the right. Now, the
mid section had what looked like fourbar stools and they were posted in back
of what looked like a wrap aroundwindow. So you know, that was
the second level. The third levelhad a trapdoor. Now, there were

(40:12):
four crew members taken alive. Theywere five feet tall, oversized head,
oversized eyes, slip for a mouth, minute nose, milky white skin.
This is back in nineteen This iswhat the witnesses are telling us that they're
seeing here. Now, I wantto move forward here just to give you
a little bit more of a detailedview of what this writing looked like.
And as we go through some ofthese, it's very evident. It's extremely

(40:38):
clear that the defense contractors in conjunctionwith the military industrial complex are absolutely desperate
and I'm talking desperate to breach thehaul of these craft to reverse engineer not
only the propulsion systems but the metallurgicscience that is involved with these because in

(41:00):
a lot of these cases, they'veused diamond tipped drillbots to get inside these
crafts and they can't get in.Then they use the stelling torches and that
doesn't work, and they use lasersand that doesn't So we figure out a
way to integrate this technology into ourfighter aircraft, we have the best leading

(41:21):
edge. We'd have a jump onthe competition for sure. Alright, well,
do you think maybe perhaps the wayto get in is something mentally?
That's a very good case, that'sa very good conclusion. It has been
said that the engines of these craftare integrated into the skin themselves. There

(41:42):
is no engine in these things.They're a part of the skin. So
then you have a symbiotic relationship betweenthe brainwave frequency of the pilots and that's
being plugged into the craft itself,so you know, the engine is actually
the skin. But that's a verygood thought. And the other thing that
I've heard too, and that's withinthe string field cases, is that in

(42:04):
at least one case, the onlyway they could crack the shell of these
craft is to dip the entire craftinto a vet of liquid nitrogen and cold
shock it and freeze it. Thenthey can get in. Wow, that's
how they're getting into these all right. Next one, right Field, Dayton,
Ohio, nineteen forty six. Thisis a primary witnesses text Martin.

(42:27):
He was six years old at thetime, and we're still before Roswell.
Here. This is crash retrievals,page two, two forty three. Now
what you're looking at here is rightPatterson Air Force Base hanger complex number four.
I can't guarantee you which hanger itwas, but I believe it's the
one on the far right. I'veactually been in that hair. And we'll
move forward here. Now, therewas a soda pop machine associated with this

(42:53):
particular case, so I wanted togive you just a quick shot of what
this thing looks like. So pairthat with the hangar here. Now there
is an adjoining cafeteria to this hangarcomplex, and the six year old boy.
He went to work that day withhis father and he was kind of
an electrical engineer and he was hiredas an independent contractor. So he's in

(43:17):
this adjoining cafeteria and there was ajanitor who asked this six year old boy
if he wanted to have a sodafrom this pop machine. And so he
asked his father, is it okayif I accept this wonderful gift from this
january. He said, yeah,go right ahead. So this janitor goes

(43:38):
into this pop machine. He getsthis six year old boy a pop and
as he's handing it to this boy, concurrently the doors opening and he looks
inside this hangar. It's unbelievable.Here's the original first sketch that we did
by route. He sees in thishangar are these eighteen wheeler tractor trailer low

(44:00):
boys. They are covering with atarp various type of debris that you couldn't
quite make out what it was,but there was these tarps over there,
and then there was a dish shapedcraft and I'm going to move forward.
Here here's the very first rough passsketch, and if you look at the
back of the sketch, you cansee him with the door open, there

(44:22):
were at least three humaniid looking bodiesabout three and a half to four feet
tall. They had oversized heads aswell. So now I want to take
you to our full final rendering here, and that's this drawing right here,
twenty feet in diameter, beautiful tripodlegs. There was a band wrapped around

(44:44):
the utter circumference of the craft,actually two bands, and we've got the
three small bodies here, and thisis what the witnesses are telling us.
Now, is it possible that one, two, or three, or a
low amount of number our hoax iswithin this book? Yes, absolutely certainly
it could be. But when youhave a hundred and nineteen military personnel,

(45:09):
pilots, engineers, aircraft, thecontrollers, people who worked at right Patterson
Air Force Base, people who wereon the retrieval team who brought in the
bodies the craft, the debris personnelwho are on the retrieval teams who loaded
these things up on eighteen wheeler tractortrailer to low boy trucks and shipped them
to right Patterson Air Force Base,you just can't discount a high level member

(45:35):
of these military retrieval teams. Youjust can't throw them all away. So
we took everything that we could puttogether from the primary eye witness and from
the three page report that came withthis case and Rudy sketch, and we
went to a full color rendering.And that's what we see right here.
That's awesome. So if we werehere, and he did say that the

(45:58):
disc shaped craft was off white incolor, so this wasn't kind of a
silvery disc. This is more ofan off right in color. And he's
just seeing this as this is goingdown. Now. His father was severely
reprimanded about all this, but thisstuck in this little boy's memory for all
these years until he heard a radiobroadcast regarding MUFON and it dawned on him.

(46:21):
Oh, now I understand what Isaw all those years ago. And
so this is nineteen forty six,right, Patterson. The detail in this
work blows my mind. The reflectionson the craft, like from the lights
above and the flooring and the like. I think what you're doing here is
so important, Michael, because thisis what gets the average person interested in

(46:45):
wanting to research and learn more,because so many people are just so you
know, visual, and we getour data so quickly now and this.
I mean, holy smokes, I'mjust I can't take credit for it.
Joel Christopher Payne is my artist.But you're right, Katie, because it
does help to make it come alive. And you know, we do have

(47:07):
the names and a lot of thesepeople they're not all dead. But as
our good friends Stanton Freedman Stead youknow many times that we're chasing the Undertaker.
We are chasing and we're way beyondit now because a lot of these
people have passed away. So reallythe torch has been passed to us and
this is the final curtain call ongetting the truth out. Yeah. I

(47:30):
feel the same way with the researchin Elbert County. I mean, it's
you know, this is mid tolate seventies times, a clique ticking away,
and you hope that these people thatexperience these things and have witness these
things tell their children, tell peopleto pass it down just like you know,
good old you know, storytelling infolklore. But you're right, you
know, we need to get outthere and go and find these people before

(47:52):
it's too late to get the fullstory. So good for you for bringing
them to like Okay, sorry tointerrupt, I'm just blown away. The
problem we do have a vehicle nowin place in Congress where these firstand military
witnesses they can come forward, theycan tell their story, and that's going
to help others to be convinced tocome forward as well. So that's the

(48:13):
goal that we're looking for here,all right. Next one Papaco's Indian Reservation
west of Globe, Arizona, Januarynineteen forty seven. So you know,
we're a couple of cases in herenow, and we're still prior to Roswell
here, all right. So northof Superstition Mountains, the primary witness serve
in the US Navy during World WarTwo. This is page ninety three of

(48:34):
the book Case A ten. Let'sgo to the sketch here. So we've
got two personnel going down this unimprovedroad. This is near Superstition Mountains,
west of Globe, and they runacross two military police armed with carbides and
their challenge, and you can seethat here in the drawing, their challenge
and they're told you're not allowed togo any further. And they got their

(48:57):
just right in the middle of aretrieval operation, right in the process of
it actually taking place. So theylooked off to the left another one hundred
and fifty feet, and here wasthis thirty foot diameter dish shape craft that
had augured in at a forty degreeangle. It was about eighteen feet high.
It had two rims wrapped around theouter circumference of the craft itself,
and then there was what looked likethese indented sections that were also wrapped around.

(49:21):
This is Rudy's drawing here, andthey're seeing all this. We know
the military personnel and mentioned before.We know the names of a lot of
these people. They should come forwardbefore it's too late. This is our
legacy. We need to preserve animportant part of our national history. So
let's take everything that we got fromthe witnesses, and we've got Rudy's drawing

(49:45):
here. Let's see if we canmake this come alive through a full color
illustration. I'm going to move forwardto the next sketch here the next slide,
and this is the full color illustrationsaying right in your backyard, isn't
this where we do our field anddestigator boot camp? Wow? That is

(50:07):
that should be a frame piece ofartwork. All these pieces yea framed and
hanging right here behind me? Yeah? Yeah, me three? So I
mean this. You know what CarlSagan stated is correct. Extraordinary claims require
extraordinary evidence. Now we know thatthey have these craft, we know they've

(50:28):
loaded these things up, we knowthey've taken right Patterson Air Force Base,
Eggland Air Force Base, Deal AirForce Base, Homestead Air Force Base.
We know the locations, we knowthe times, we know the dates,
we know the personnel involved in this. All of this information could be brought
out and handed to the scientific communityas a United Coal issue, and that's

(50:50):
how we're going to move this thingforward. All right, we got one
minute till break. We got oneminute. Okay, let's split up the
next one. Here July fourth,nineteen forty seven, and so now we're
finally getting into the Roswell timeline.Here, So this is White Sands Missile
Range, July fourth, nineteen fortyseven. The primary eyewitness was a technical
sergeant within the US Army Air Force, and this is page one ninety six

(51:15):
of the book. The primary eyewitnesssaw the entire thing from beginning to end.
This is one of these very rarecases. Now, when this thing
landed, it was absolutely huge.We're talking one hundred and fifty feet in
diameter. This all happened at night, so they had to bring in light
alls, they had to bring insearchlights, they had to bring in spotlights,

(51:36):
and this thing was excruciatingly well litup. And you can see here
with the drawings and where we've gotthe spotlights on here. I want to
mention that they had teams of personnelwas still cameras taking photographs. They also
see if you look to the righthere, they had motion picture film reels
documenting this whole thing. So whenwe hear senators and congressman get up over

(52:01):
at the congressional hearings and talk about, you know, we're lacking physical evidence
or any type of evidence at all, they absolutely have it, but they
may not have access to the material, you know, And we can pick
it up on the other side ofthe point, all right, on the
other side of the break this I'mmind blown, So we'll see on the
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connected only at kgradb dot com.And I have got to tell h Michael

(56:09):
when he gets back, he'll beback here in a second, and we're
going to play an evening on Earthwith an extraterrestrial. But just not too
long ago, I was sent inthe mail an interesting case also out of
white sands, that kind of hemight be interested. I thought it was
earlier before, like Roser. Ithought it was in like forties, but

(56:30):
it was actually in nineteen sixty seven, and he was a retired major in
the United States Air Force and sentme a case over or White Sands.
So I will send this to Michaelas soon as he gets back here,
so we'll wait for him. Ithink he thought maybe the break was a
little longer than it is. It'slike quick because only three minutes, right,

(56:54):
we barely have time to run downstairsthen refreshing our drinks. But what
do you guys think of his presentationso far? It's amazing. So Michael,
there you are. I was juststaring with everybody. How just recently
in the mail, I received froma retired ex major in the Air Force
an interesting case over White Sands.So I will kind of send this you

(57:21):
might be interesting. I thought itwas earlier in the late forties, but
it was actually nineteen sixty seven.But still, that whole general area there
in New Mexico was fascinating. Solet's send it to you in an email.
But are you ready to play anevening on Earth with an extraterrestrial back
to your presentation. Sure, herewe go an evening on Earth with an
extraterrestrial. So first of all,you're going to have a nice dinner with

(57:44):
an extraterrestrial. And where on Earthwould you like this event to take place?
Anywhere in the world? Anywhere inthe world? Okay, Tory Pines
Gliderport north of San Diego. Whythere because it's the best place in the
world for a view. Oh allright, it's beautiful. That's going on
my buck list. I've never heardof that before. And what food would

(58:07):
you be serving this extra treasure.It's going to be a Benny Hannah cuisine.
Cuisine nice. And what what songwould you like him to hear?
A kind of music? Type ofmusic? What song? Journey? Journey?
All right, don't stop, believeright, or or the ever popular

(58:31):
Neil Diamond coming to America because there'sa backstory on that anyway, are you
going to share the backstory? Wecould tailer alright? Alright, you know
I'm a huge Neil Diamond fan.I hate to admit that, I just
am. So, you know,the jazz singer and all of it.
All right, And what film wouldyou recommend for your eat friend? Back

(58:52):
to the future. Oh, goodchoice, good choice, good choice.
And then the one question you wouldask one cushion you, okay, I
would I would ask them, goodquestion, honestly, I would ask them
how the propulsion system works? Allright? Right, so we can catch

(59:14):
up and go travel. Although doyou believe, Michael, that we have
the ability to keep up with theTM We're just not sharing it at this
point. Uh. I think they'vemade progress on the propulsion systems and everything,
but to the level of where they'reat, because if they're light beings,

(59:35):
there's there's no amount of ace,hardware, nuts and bolts are gonna
get that's gonna match that technology.Good answer, All of those are excellent
answers, excellent as And I lovethat you said, Neil Diamond, because
you know that's great. All right, So let's go back to your presentation
here we're leaving off. This wasjust right right in nineteen forty seven,

(59:57):
correct, ninety seven, right,White Sands missile range. So the bottom
line here is they absolutely do havephotography of these events. They have motion
picture film reels of this, andthere's multiplayer repositories around the country. They
cannot operate on a single point failureyou know policy here, because if there's

(01:00:22):
a fire at right Patterson Air ForceBase at the warehouse, they're going to
lose all of their crown jewels.They've got to have redundancy. So it
only makes sense that they've spread theirassets around the country. It's that's exactly
what they've done. You can youcan bet that they've copied these films.
They've spread them out to different locations, underground facilities, in vaults that are

(01:00:45):
not accessible that congressmen and senators.And that's why we're having a problem here
because even they don't have the properclearances to get to this information. I
mean, it's not that the informationdoesn't exist, it's the fact that they
just can't have access to it.So how can they declassify something that they
don't have access or a clearance toget to. That's the fight that we're

(01:01:08):
under here, that's you know,the problem with deal and they can't they
can't even expose that that's a merepossibility. And that's always been my argument
with the Denver Roswell body thing thatI've been researching, as you know,
Michael, for I don't know threeor four years now, why put all
your eggs in one basket. Ijust don't think they would. It doesn't
make any sense for that very reasonthat you speak of. So and a

(01:01:29):
lot of this has been privatized becausethe way the way this thing went down
is when these crafts started coming downin the early nineteen forties, the United
States government, they put together adeal with the defense contractors, and the
deal was that we need this technologyso bad, we don't care how you

(01:01:52):
do it. You can, youknow, proprietary this thing. You can
profit from this thing, you cancommercialize it. That's the agree that they
made. That they can make billionsof dollars in commercial profits. But they
just wanted the technology. They wantedthe end results of the reverse engineering program.
And so that's the deal that theycut with these things. And that's

(01:02:14):
why so much of this is notclassified, but it's proprietary and put within
the hands of the defense contractors.And that's why we can't get to a
lot of this because when they privatizeit, it is null and void and
FOI requests do not apply to proprietaryprograms. Yeah, yeah, it's a
bummer. And do you think adeal was made with these extraterrestrials to gain

(01:02:37):
some of this technology that they canabduct and even mutilate cattle. Well,
see that's where it gets murky,because you know that the media tries to
put a spin narrative on this,and they try to promote a threat to
all of this. But again,if there was a threat, they could

(01:02:59):
have wiped us out decades, hundredsof years ago. But they've showed restraint,
and so I think that's something thatwe need to keep in mind.
Just is something that's important. Idon't mean to be hogging the questions here.
If Shane and Terry, I haveone more question, I'm sorry,
why so many crashes around this areaand we don't hear of crashes before like

(01:03:19):
nineteen forty five? Like did wedo something that is causing these crashes from
like you know, early forties onward? And good questions? We find nothing
before that? Okay, good,good questions. So that's something I've wondered
as well. Right, if thesetechnologies and if these cultures and civilizations and
et civilizations are hundreds of light yearsaway, there are thousands of light years

(01:03:44):
away. There there perhaps thousands ormillions of years in advance and technology.
Why are they're flying through the vastnessof space. They're they're going through gravity
wells, they're going through quarks,they're going through quasars, they're going through
different planetary systems, and they getto our atmosphere and they crash. They
came all this way and now they'recrashing. Why is this the case?

(01:04:08):
Okay, Well, one way wecan explain this, and this is a
very good it's got some good backinto it, is that the conniving military
industrial complex after they stole the informationfrom Tesla in nineteen forty three when he

(01:04:28):
passed away over in New York andthey grabbed his blueprints, his papers,
his designs. The United States Navymicrofilmed everything, so they've got all that
research. And then in the nineteenthirties and prior to Tesla had talked about
his death ray where he was talkingabout a directed energy weapon where he could

(01:04:53):
take out quote unquote legions and fleetsof aircraft. I'm talking about three hundred
aircraft at a time and you know, basically taking them out of the sky
instantaneously. So it looks like what'sbeen going on here, and this is
where it gets murky, is thatrogue elements of the military industrial complex are
targeting, tracking, and shooting thesecraft down for their propulsion systems and free

(01:05:19):
energy applications, and that appears tobe what's going on. Wow. And
if we're indeed shooting them down,wouldn't you think they have to retaliate at
some point? That's the whole pointof it, that they are showing restraint.
And that's what we're up against here. And so what the military is
doing and the media is doing isthey're trying to present this threatned narrative so

(01:05:41):
that they can cash in and it'sa defense contractor bonanza. That's what we're
up against here, that's what Andso they're shooting these things down to reverse
engineer the propulsion system because if theycan do that, you know, we're
talking about a multi trillion dollar industryhere. The polishing systems of these vehicles
would take out the oil industry,would take out the cold fire plants,

(01:06:05):
would take out internal combustion engines,would take out nuclear power plants, solar
and the wind generators. All ofthis would be obsolete overnight if they let
this technology out. And that's whatwe're up against, right, many money
money, Wow, that's what we'redealing with here. All right. So
now let's go to the full colorillustration based on the witness testimony on this

(01:06:30):
particular case and rudy sketch. Andhere's what we came up with if we
were actually there. Now they gotthey got filmed with this. They have
motion picture film reels and they've gotstill probably black and white and full color.
And this is not just one case. We're talking hundreds of these,
and that doesn't even go into thecases that they shot down recently in the

(01:06:51):
last seventy years. So you know, there's no telling what they've got warehouses
full of this. Michael, onthese these illustrations that you're doing, and
just so it's clear for everybody,maybe you can speak to that, but
everything that we see in these areare true to the era. I mean

(01:07:12):
the uniforms, vehicles, the technology, and you know this is stuff that
most people have never got to see. So, well, how did you
get your team together for that?I just wanted to make these cases come
alive because when I was reading Leonard'sbook, it's lacking any drawings, it's
lacking any illustrations, there's nothing there. I'm like, you know what,

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someone has got to dig down intothese cases. And they've got to make
these cases come alive through drawings andeverything. So I said, you know
what, that's going to be mycrusade, and that's what you see here.
So I have assembled a team aroundthe country who have helped me facilitate
that goal. Three particular artists.So we've got Rudy Gardier, We've got

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Joel Payne and Joseph Raith are myartists. And so I feed them the
case file and any references that Ican come up with that pertain to the
case, and then I also includeRudy's sketch and through a Photoshop, through
rendering three D Studio Max, througha number of other software programs, were

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able to come up with these visualaids, and I try to make them
period correct. So when you seenineteen forty six, you have nineteen forty
six jeeps. You've got personnel thatmatched the time period of the case itself.
Yeah, beautiful stuff. I'll haveto ask you after the show,

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Michael, But I'm wondering if anythree of those guys do any bookwork.
I need an illustrator from my ranch. Oh sure, sure, all right,
I'll get that talk to you aboutit later. But man, no
tall. Next one. This isUFO crash retreevial nineteen forty seven. Seen
it Aware House in Berkeley, Okay. So Albert Bruce Collins is the primary

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eyewitness. He's deceased. He wasa metallurgical engineer. And the page number
is one ninety seven from the book. So if you want to get more
details, it's all in the books. I'm not making any of this up.
I've got a reference paperwork documentation toback up each one of these cases.
So let's go through the case.Now we're at Berkeley University and this

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lab coat technician is at the rightplace at the right time when this eighteen
wheeler tructor trailer lowboy truck rolls intothe facility at Berkeley University. It was
an egg shap crap thirty feet acrossfifteen feet high. It had a whole
breach on the side of the craftshowing the interior yoke which was about three
feet in diameter, and on theforward section of this egg was a composite

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panel and then wrapped around the outercircumference of this yoke or central sphere,
was another composite annel that wrapped aroundthe outer circumference. Now there was a
band wrapped around this egg shape craft. And then he said that there was
shrapnel that was punched out on theright side, which you can see in

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this drawing here. So my questionis number one, was this the main
craft or was this the propulsion systemfor something much larger? This thing's already
thirty feet across. What could thisthing be powering that must be even larger
than this craft, that's my question, all right, Michael Hey, quick
question. It looks like the eggthat was seene in Sakaro, the craft

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that landed Annie Zamora. Yes,similar to Lanny Zamora. That's correct.
All right. So let's take everythingthat we got from the case itself,
and then let's take Rudy's drawn andlet's go to a full colored illustration.
And here's what we came up with. So cool. Yeah, so some

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were in Berkeley. They might havethis craft there. They've probably got all
the documented analysis, they've got themotion picture film reel of probably a reverse
engineering program. They've obviously got stillcamera photographs of this thing. And that's
what we're dealing with here. Youknow, he definitely mentioned that there were
shrapnel there, so I'm sure thatthey spent probably millions of dollars trying to

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figure out what the metallurgical science ofthis thing is. Is it growing?
Is it alive? Can it selfrepair? Can we retrofit that technology onto
our stealth fighter aircraft. I'm surethat question was brought up multiple times here.
And some of these must be,like you said, maybe not the
main craft or scouting crafts or dronetype of craft because we're not seeing bodies

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with some of these. Is thatright? Correct? That is correct,
That is correct, That's exactly correct, all right. Next one carrot patch
south the Salinas, California, JulyAugust nineteen forty seven, seen by two
nineteen year old workers in a nearbyfield. Leonard Stringfield dictation notes. Okay,
so the site here is these twonineteen year old boys. They're working

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in a carrot patch. Now,whatever this craft was, it came down
the night before the foreman alerted thesetwo nineteen year old boys. Now I'm
going to go to the next slide. Here, this is the sketch that
came the case. Wasn't a realbig craft, nine feet in diameter,
four feet tall. It had adouble row of indented windows wrapped around the

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outer circumference of the craft itself.We'll move on to the next drawing here,
and now you see the map Xmarks the spot. We know exactly
where this thing came down. Now, I doubt there's any debris leftover.
It's been a long time, butyou might still find something there if you
could get to this location near Gonzalez. This is not all that far from

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Pacific Coast Highway here, which isone heading north. So now let's go
to the first pass drawing. Here'smy first past autocat drawing against nine feet
in diameter four feet tall. Andlet's go to the first attempted illustration of
what this thing looked like. Youknow, kind of a crude color drawing,

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but just kind of a rudimentary colorillustration. And now we'll go to
Rudy's drawing. It gives you anidea what this thing actually want. Now
when the military got there, becausethese two nineteen year old boys, they
got there before the military even goton site. One of them, it
says in the report, one ofthese nineteen year old workers ran up to
this thing and kicked it with hisboot to physical contact with this thing.

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Now, while this is going on, the military convoy arrives at the scene
and these two nineteen year old workersare immediately told to get out of this
place right now. So they're aboutan eighth of a mile away, but
not too far that they didn't seethe entire retrieval operations. So now let's
bring in our full color illustration beginningwith the retrieval operation where they actually brought

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this craft onto the eighteen wheeler tractortrailer and then shipped it out. We'll
go to the full color illustration now, and this is what it looked like.
Here are you three? You wanta road trip to California? Yeah,
that's good. Let's go look atthat. Unbelievable It brings it to
life. So yeah, that's that'sthe goal. That's the goal. Kicking

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things probably do that too, youknow. So they probably have this at
right Patterson Air Force Base right nowas we speak. Now, I can't
guarantee it, but you know,during the forties, fifties, sixties,
all roads lead to right Patterson AirForce Base. Why easy. Number one.
They've got the Aerial Aerial Medical Labthere for autopsies, and they've got

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the Foreign Technology Division where they cantest and they can try out diamond tip
drill bits, the metallurgical science,drill presses, everything they can try to
reverse engineer these crafts. So that'swhy all roads lead to right Patterson hartfol
Space at least at that time.Hey, Michael, you said drill presses.

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It seems like I've heard you talka little bit about that, about
how they use drills to try topenetrate those shells of these and a lot
of craft. Correct. That isabsolutely correct. It is my understanding.
Now. I've got at least fourcases within my files where they absolutely mentioned
four word by word that they wereusing diamond tipped drill pit bits to try

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to get into the hull of thesecraft, and in each and every case
it was unsuccessful. I think it'skind of interesting too that in a lot
of cases, most cases in fact, that you really don't see landing gear
correct on UFOs right there. Imean the Cicaro case. You know,

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there are a few cases where theyhave bent waters that kind of thing.
But I just find that interesting.And then you know the size of the
shapes and the variations. Right,so you have like a you know,
in a comparable technology does like asingle seat or you know, aircraft or

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or you know, a bomber witha crew of eight or ten people or
whatever. Maybe that's you know,the concept with them, but always find
that interesting, and even with likethe tic TAC. But but the other
thing that really freaks me out toois is like the materials science behind this
stuff. And if you go tolike the tic TAC, you know,

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some people think it might be oursand stuff, but I just really wonder
what material on Earth do we evenpossess that could take eight hundred G forces
or you know, the temperatures thatwould would be you know, uh on
the surface of these things going youknow, from eighty thousand feet to fifty
feet in point seven eight seconds orwhatever it is. But when you look

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at this and you almost see overtime that the technology is morphed a little
bit even on their side. Right, whether whether it's a single source or
multiple sources, I don't know,but you know, the egg shape or
the lenticular disc shape is so common, especially in the earlier years. You

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know, it just really makes youwonder about the technology and what the purposes
and just all of that. Andyou know, I think your illustrations really
capture that variation, and it justit fascinates me that there could be that
much variety, but with humans likeboats. You know, a boat's a
boat, but they range from aircraftcarriers to hydroplanes to sell boats, and

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maybe it's the same thing going onthere. Its just these illustrations are beautiful
and and it's it also speaks toSpringfield's ability to you know, record and
write the details about these events andthat you can translate them into images that
are representative of that. So Imean, good on you, Mike,

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but also good good on Yeah.If it wasn't for Leonard Stringfield, we
wouldn't have any of these cases.Yeah, because he meticulously documented these cases
from military sources. Now, hewouldn't give up the names because that's the
agreement he've had. Now I havesome of the names, I don't have
all of them, but that's howhe was able to get these people down

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on paper, you know, torecord this for our own history. Yeah.
It looks like air cleaners or airfilters on the side of Yeah,
don't like you put into your heatersreal quick. So, Michael, we
have your book here too, Sofor anybody who might be interested, this
is his book number one, andI want to ask you are there more

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books coming, But he basically hasall of these beautiful illustrations in it,
and it's a fascinating book and he'sdone a lot of research. So I
highly recommended everyone. Thanks. It'son myself too. It's great, And
I told Michael I expect an autographnext time I get to see him.

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You know, the other thing thatwe should consider here is that let's just
say that, yes, these crashretrievals are true, that did happen.
We've got the military witnesses, andlet's just set a date nineteen forty one
as Cape Girardo, you know,the kind of the beginning part of all
this. So we've got you know, we're looking at good seventy five eighty

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years of black budget funding going intothese programs, and after all this time,
you would think that we got somethingfor our money, probably some thing
incredible. They've made a breakthrough inpropulsion in aerospace where these things don't fly
quote unquote. They it was describedas they float on an oil pathway in

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the sky. That's how they fly. They don't fly like an airplane fly.
So you can bet that we gotsomething for our money after all these
years. You better what did weget. We got We got a level
of technology that can the form,fit and function of et craft. That's

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what we got for our money.Although you know, I feel like,
you know, it's clear we haveproof that whatever, like whether it was
the F one seventeen A or theB two, you know, other you
know, exotic aircraft, that theywere developed really decades before we are even

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aware of them. So one couldlegitimately say that that whatever's really out there
is could be fifty years ahead,right, correct, which I you know,
I know that's a fact, right, just based on what I just
mentioned. But I also I strugglewith just how much that we really have

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been able to develop it, becauseyou just don't see it. You don't
see the technology, and you know, we fight wars in with very conventional
hundred year old airplane designs and thatkind of stuff, and I just wonder,
you know, I struggle with sayingthat you know, the tic TAC

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is ours or the triangles or oursand and that kind of thing. And
I get your logic, and yeah, you would think we would have something
for our money and all that effort, and maybe there are things in life
that we have that came from thattechnology. You know, maybe medical imaging
equipment or what you know, whatever, some you know, tech stuff.

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But I struggle with the fact thatwe have developed that. And one of
the reasons is, you know,we send off, you know, our
young men and women to war andto you know, yet we would have
a technology that would prevent the needfor war altogether. You know that.
So I always struggle with that.But I don't discount it. I don't,

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you know. I've always my mantraas anything's possible until it's proven not
to be. And so, youknow, based on that model, I
think there's a potential. But Ialso really struggle with thinking how much we
really got. You know, Iappreciate what you're saying. I do understand
what you're saying, but I wouldjust I would ask you to consider the

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fact that when the government, specificallythe military industrial complex, when they want
to keep a secret, they canOkay, yeah, there was nobody outside
of the Have Blue program that knewanything about a first flight of their aircraft
in nineteen seventy seven. That programwasn't made public until November the tenth of

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nineteen eighty eight. They had successfullykept the Stealth Fighter program under REPS for
literally over ten years and no oneknew about it, so they can do
it when they want to. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree,
And I don't even doubt that.I mean, look at look at you
know, the the atomic bomb rightright, So that part I don't doubt.

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I just but but you know itto your point, maybe you know,
this is a sad commentary, butmaybe it's so valuable we don't use
it in warfare or anything because it'sjust too valuable where everyone else is using
conventional, so you can go conventional. And and you know, like I

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said, it's sad commentary that humanlife is more you know, as is
expendable in comparison to you know,the value of that technology. But again
this is just shame. I agreewith you. I agree with and there
is a sinister kind of like whatyou were saying, they don't care about
human life. I somewhat agree withyou, because why would we want to

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send one of our silver bullet assetsto end a war immediately? Why don't
we just keep on cranking out Fsixteens and F fifteens and other type of
aircraft when we can we can makebillions on these old, obsolete aircraft.
Why would we want to get ridof our cash cow. It's it's a

(01:24:38):
gravy train for the defense contract.Yeah, you could send over a flying
triangle and wipe out an enemy likewithin a matter of minutes. Why would
we want to do that when wecan cash in on all these aircraft?
What do you think, Michael,what do you think it would take for
us to expose you know, theadvanced technologies and propulsions we might have.

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We did get this though, yousee if I could get at Okay,
it's gonna crash craft triable behind mefor us to expose the wall. I've
been exposing it for a while.But that's that's neither here nor there.
But all you gotta do is lookat what the witnesses are telling us.
Okay, just look at what thewitnesses are telling us. I'm going to

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give you an example. If yougo to nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety
in Belgium. Okay, you've gotthis huge triangle, and what the witnesses
are telling us is that it's makinga low frequency electrical humming noise like a
transformer or a sewing machine. Andthey're also telling us that it has tubes,
pipes and cylinders on the bottom ofthe craft, and a lot of

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these craft are tested on Thursday nights. When you put that together and you
link it up with January fift twothousand Southern Illinois Triangle, which also appear
to have this understructure that was verymechanical. They described it as a plumber's
device. It looked like stack lagos, It look like tubes, pipes and
cylinders. It had this electrical hummingnoise. This we're not looking at an

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et craft here. These things havefasteners, they have rivets, they have
zoos fasteners, they have composite panels, They use off the shelf components pre
existing within the military industrial complex.These are not et craft. These are
built with human hands using defense contractorfunds, black budget funds that have no
congressional oversight and no public scrutiny.That's what we're looking at here. So

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they can do it. They havethe technology, they have made the breakthrough,
and they've done it. They've doneit. What are the best ways
to tell the difference between what mightbe our you know, secret technology and
catch a trust or what are someof the signs we can look for.
I did a whole white paper onthis called stagecraft, you know, like

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is it live or is it memoricks? And number one okay, tested on
Thursday nights. This happened in theearly eighties up to the mid nineteen nineties.
Why Thursday nights number one? Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday is preflight.
Thursday is the test flight, Friday'sd brief, Saturday Sunday. There's no

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one at the base. So that'swhy they test on Thursday nights. And
what do we see when we goto the early nineteen nineties over Kettalina Island
over Los Angeles, we have theseair quakes coming over Los Angeles, waking
everyone up at five or six inthe morning, six or seven in the
morning, going over Kettalina Island,going over Los Angeles and going into Area

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fifty one tested on a Thursday,Okay, so that happened. Then you've
got you've got tubes, pipes andcylinders on the bottom of the craft.
You've got electrical humming noise. You'vegot lighting patterns where the reds go off,
the blues go off, the yellowsgo off, then the whites go
off, and this goes on andon as a pattern. This is not

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an et craft, even Stanton Friedman'sthat lights on an extraterrestrial craft could only
be for decoration. There's no reasonwhen they have light side. Oh yeah,
the week that probably was ours then, right, probably was ours.
And the said they are around alot of military bases. So that's another

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clue. There's another clue too nowfrom the newspaper clippings. Okay, it
is very very clear that the militaryindustrial complex, in conjunction with universities,
they were desperately trying to crack thegravity barrier and then made the breakthrough October
nineteen fifty four. That's where thewhole historical narrative shifted off to one side.

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They left us all in the dark, and the military industrial complex they
took their own railroad track and nowthey have all the toys and we're living
in this dream world with these internalcombustion engines that are hundreds of years behind
where we should be work. Andthat's not my quote, that came from
astronaut Gordon Cooper. We were ahundred years behind where we should be right

(01:29:02):
now. Wow, that's crazy.Michael the tic tac. So some of
those pictures, you know, itlooks like there maybe some antennas on it,
or some kind of projection off fayback end of it or whatever.
Do you think that's ours? Imean, do we have the technology with
our metal and structures stay together ata force going? So not only do

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I think it's ours, we havea witness that came forward that doctor Grier
presented this past June over in Washington, DC at the Press Club. He
was present when they were offloading oneof these things and there was a very
windy section as the cargo bay ofthe C one thirty came down, the
tart blew off and he got alook at one of these tic TACs.

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He described it exactly how the Feighteen pilots described and they have these prongs
or protrusions sticking out which are staticall tetrical discharge prongs. It's the same
thing that you see on multiple differentcases, including nineteen sixty six in Temple,
Oklahoma, where Eddie Laxon saw theexact same prong sticking out. So

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there has this historical legacy that datesback to the early nineteen sixties. There
you have it. You heard ithere on, Move on, what's up,
tacks. I mean, you cansee how deep this goes how sinister
this goes. I mean, thisis very deep, and you can see
why they've kept it under reps becauseyou've got the crown jewels, you've got

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ace in the whole technology. You'vegot silver bullets here. And when you
hear these terms, when you hearlike d D personnel talk about silver bullets,
that's these craft and they don't rulethese things out for conventional wars that
they're not going to do it.What do you say to people like when
you talk about back engineered technologies thatwe may have gleaned from these down craft

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actually tresh railcraft like fiber optics,But then you have the debunk or saying,
well know, we know the scientificprogression of how we aim to fiber
opposite optics. What do you sayto that? I mean, I mean
that's a good argument. So I'vekind of always like, yeah, that
makes a lot of sense, probablywasn't back engineered, But how what do
you say about that? I totallyagree with you. There is there a

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historical legacy of how you can tracewhere a lot of these technologies went.
Now one of them allegedly we've gotfiber optics, we've got the integrated hip
we've got night vision, we've gotvelcrow. A lot of these technologies were
already existing within the German military industrialcomplex long before we ever got on the

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scene, so we want to discussthat as well. But it certainly appears
that they have been running multiple tracksof black programs. When they take these
things, they bring them to rightPatterson Air Force Base, they get the
best people on them. And foryears we've been hearing that it's the Air
Force that's covering all this up,and you know they've got the all the

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information. Well, if you reallydig down deep into this, it is
not repeat. It is not theAir Force that's calling the shots. It
is the United States Navy in conjunctionwith the Atomic Energy Commission, that is
pulling the strings behind the scenes.They're the ones running the show. Again.

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You heard it here and move on. Whatsop? The Navy not the
Air Force. Oh see, I'mguilty of going it's the Air Force,
it's the Air Force. But it'snot. It's not. And it's really
interesting and maybe Shane, since you'rein the art and Tara too, the
cases you've worked, I find itinteresting that like some of these abductions and

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things seem to have families that aretied to the Navy. Have you noticed
that, I've noticed that. Yep. Yeah, you know, military families
are often our witnesses. There's nodoubt about that. Plenty of them,
even when we get the civilian reports. It might be you know, daughters

(01:33:09):
of or sons of or that kindof thing. So yeah, I mean
there's no doubt there's it's a nexus, it's a mix. And this is
what makes it so difficult, right, You've got this blend of is it
them? Is it it's you know, it feels very very contrived to you

(01:33:31):
know, like intended to to be, you know, obfuscate and throw people
off the scent and that kind ofthing. We all feel that, right
that we've seen it's that's a provenfact. So Michael, what do you
think it's going to take for usto expose what we have? And what
do you think it's going to takefor the Navy come forward? I mean,

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what has to happen here. It'sgoing to take a vehicle in Congress,
which we have right now, andthe military witnesses coming forward and them
them naming names, not any ofthis. Oh, I can't talk about
unless I'm in a skiff type thing. Right, we don't need any of
that. We need names, weneed dates, locations, and then we

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subpoena their superiors. We bring thatinformation and physical hardware before the American public
in the world in real time congressionalhearings that are stream live around the world,
so that there's no wiggle room andwe get to the physical evidence.
That's what it's going to take.That's what it's going to take. And

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what do you think to fall outfrom that would be? The fallout will
be that if the defense contractors donot fall in line, then they will
be held liable through RICO, They'llbe held liable and they'll be taken to
court and they could use they couldlose billions of dollars. Because these programs
were black and extra constitutional from theget go, so thereby it makes them

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illegal. And that's the legal standingwe have on They were illegal from the
get go. They were extra constitutionalfrom the get go. So these National
Security's and u SAPs are null andvoid because the program was extra constitutional from
the get go. Wow do youthink do you think that we would see

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a breakdown of let's say, youknow, countries and I mean if this
technology is exposed. It changes theworld, of course, it changes the
world. It changes the geopolitical structureof everything. And that's essentially what we
need to save this world is weneed to break down the walls and we
will no longer have these barriers,but we will become one people, one

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unit, one planet. That's theonly way we're going to get this thing
done. And it's directly tied tothe crash retrievals. Is directly tied to
those because they are the rosetta stoneto all of this. So, in
the time remaining, do we wantto cover some more crush retrible cases?
Yes? Please, sir? Allright? Can you have hi minutes fifteen

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minutes? Share screen share screen entirescreen share go here share. Okay,
So now I'm gonna go down hereand I'm gonna go into here, and
I'm gonna go from beginning slideshow frombeginning. Okay, can you see this?

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Are we good? All right?So let's try to rip through this
here, all right? See onenineteen flying box Cars, Sierra Madre Velly,
Mexico, prior to nineteen fifty one, so I'm thinking nineteen forty eight.
Time from this is another string fieldcase page thirty two. The primary

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witness was a engineer. He werein highway construction and this is a dish
craft that came down is about ninefeet in diameter. At least two bodies
were recovered. So let's go tothe drawing here and I want to take
you on the inside of the Cone nineteen flying box car. Now look
at that. Now, how dowe know that this craft was nine feet

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in diameter? Well, it's easy, right. All you have to do
is take an interior dimension with atape measure, and we've got nine foot
ten inches across. So the craftcan't be any larger than nine feet in
diameter because you have to leave fiveinches on either side for clearance. That's
how we gauge how large this craftwas. So here's the craft as it

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came down. This is the retrievaloperation. How you can see them loading
it into the ft cargo bay ofthe C one nineteen. And this is
all in the book. This isnot me. This is all in the
book, and you can read theintricate details within Leonard's book here. Now
let's go to the full color illustrationto give you a little bit better idea
of what this retrieval operation looked likeand here's the full color illustration. Rights

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that's awesome here. So okay,we've got the clamshell doors opened up,
we've got the retrieval operation. Bodiesso small, the bodies they have to
be, say, they have tobe small. There's no way they can

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get around it. Now, Iwill mention and it's kind of of a
gruesome detail here. But the gentlemanwho was at this retrieval operation that was
asked to be assisted, you know, the government, came up and would
you help us with this? Yes, I will help you. He said
that, uh, these bodies wereburnt. They were charred very badly,

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and when he touched the skin,the skin came off on his fingers.
That's what he said in the recall. So let's go a little bit more
of a blow up here shows you, you know, the retrieval operation as
they're actually doing this here, andthen we'll go ahead and move over to
the bodies here. So this isthe quote in the report. It says

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ah Senor He said they were handsome, those men, with fine features and
beautifully farm hands. But there musthave been an explosion in their craft,
for they were burnt black, andwhen I touched their face one of them,
the skin came off under my fingeras though it had been cooked.
So somewhere at Wright Patterson Air ForceBase, at McDill Air Force Base,

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at Eggland Air Force Base, theyprobably have these et bodies. Can you
imagine if you were one of thosesoldiers that witnessed or touched these little guys,
how that would just transform and changeyour whole view of the universe and
life. And just like I spokeabout earlier, you know, at some

(01:39:53):
point maybe they can keep it secretfor most of their lives. But I
personally put a lot of weight intodeathbed confessions. I know you about Michael,
but you're towards the end of yourlife. You know, you don't
have long to live. You've gotto tell somebody, even if it's your
son or your daughter or whoever.You know, do you find a lot
of credibility at waiting those deathbed confessions? And do you have very many of

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those that you've looked into only fromwhat's in the book. But I totally
agree with you, because what dothey have to lose? Right? It
really is the final curtain call,and some of these people are still alive
but not all of them. Ifwe don't take and do a management decision
on this whole process here, ifwe don't take the bull by the horns,

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we're all going to lose out onthis history all right Now? General
George C. Marshall, Army Chiefof Staff during World War Two? Why
is he important in all of this? That ties into the George Marshall Foundation,
Lexington, Virginia. So I wasdigging and I was trying to figure
out this guy know about what wasgoing on here. If you look at

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his papers and what is in thiscollection here, it talks about the time
frames nineteen forty five, nineteen toforty seven, American Battle nineteen forty nine,
nineteen fifty one. So when youlook at this, this is the
gentleman that would know about this.So I'm probably going to do a deep
dive in in his collection. ButGeneral George C. Marshall, he absolutely

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knows about these early Crasher treacles.This is the guy that would know.
So I just want to give peoplean idea of where you can go to
maybe find some more reference information aboutthis gentleman and the Crasher treacles. Okay,
next one, as we're moving alonghere Naval Air Stations, sunny Vale,
California, nineteen fifty hangar one whichyou can go to. You can
go in this hangar. I've beenin this hangar. This hanger is so

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large as its own weather. That'show big this hangar is. Eye witness
was a radar observer. His nameis Duer the Buddy Hawk. This is
UFO Crasher treebles case B five,page fifty seven. So picture here.

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He walks through a double door.He goes into this vast hangar and what
he sees originally was this large discshape craft. So now I'm going to
take you inside the hangar and showyou here. This is what he saw.
This thing was massive, for atleast one hundred feet. It filled
up the whole section of the hangarhere within about sixty seconds. And MP

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challenged him and told him get outof here, get out of here immediately.
Now, this thing was about onehundred feet in diameter and had a
dome on top and had a seriesof porthole windows wrapped around the utter circumference
of the disc itself. Now I'mgoing to go back one slide to give
you what he said, not whatI said, but let me give you
his quote here it says, quoteit was certainly no aircraft of ours.

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That's what he said. It washis impression that this was not one of
ours. This thing was massive.All right, let's move on to the
next one here. Now, thisnext witness was a military, former military
officer. He was at a classifiedmaterials library unknown US Air Force base.
This is page two thirteen, twotwelve to two thirteen. So he had

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some extra time. He's opening upthese file cabinets. He pulled out a
Manila folder and when he saw whatwas in there, it shocked him.
So I'm going to take you insidethe file now, and here's what he
said. He saw. He sawa report that mentioned crash retrievals clural,
there was talk of bodies, andthen he said that there was an eight

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by ten black and white glossy photographdepicting a retrieval operation of about a thirty
six foot diameter dis shape craft thathad a dome on top and windows wrapped
around the outer circumference. He alsosaid that there was a small pencil sized
hole within one of these port windows. Do you think that's what could have

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brought it down? Didn't mention that, not not in the report anyway,
But I want to talk about acouple of points that he talked about which
I think are important here. Numberone, military officer had the correct security
clearance which gave him access to aclassified materials library. Number two, reports
seen by witness made reference to crashesand that bodies were recovered. Okay,

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so that's the important. Number threein addition, diamond tip drill bits.
So this is the second instant.Now, these diamond tip drill business settling
torches were used to gain access tothe interior reference nineteen forty six craft seen
at right Patterson Air Force Base andthen also nineteen sixty three at a location
that is undisclosed. Now number four. Eventually technicians were able to gain access

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to the interior of the craft byway of a small entry hatch. The
report said, referring to the door, that it was almost as if the
material of the craft liquefied and thensolidified. Again. Wow, something that
we've heard again and again that itseems on these entryway hatches on the bottom
of these craft are so fully integratedinto the craft you could not put a

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razor blade in between here. That'show fully integrated these are. Now that
comes to my terminator too. Yeah, terminators that have liquid metal? Is
that technology? Wow? Something tothink about here. Okay, now why
is Farmington important? Well, wehave to talk about the Farmington armata.

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So this is Albuquerque Journal March eighteenth, nineteen fifty. Hundreds at Farmington report
large force of flying saucers. Nowthis was literally the largest one time flap
in all of history. There wereover five hundred dish shaped craft that we're
seen on one day. This happenedover the period of a couple of days,

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but on the primary day, whichwas March seventeenth, nineteen fifty,
there were five hundred disc shape craft. One of them, the quote unquote
leader, was red in color,and they were making these absolutely incredible maneuvers.
They were making ninety degree left handturns, they were going backwards.
Incredible technology they were using here.Now, in the early nineteen fifties,

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there was an Air Force standing alertthat went to our pilots to shoot these
things down so that we could retrievethese things. And rends familiar how this
went on fifties, Like, youguys need to shoot these things down,
and I don't care how you doit. You've got to get these things
shot down. So here's the newspaperclip in Cincinnati Inquirer, July twenty ninth,

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nineteen fifty two. Shoot saucers down, Jeff pilots so ordered in twenty
four hour alert. We'll go toa couple others here, Jets keeping twenty
four hour alert for saucers. Pilotsordered to the down't objects. If they
don't land on the saucer trail,pilots toad shoot them down. Jets on
twenty four hour alert to shoot downsaucers. Now why am I showing you

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these newspaper clippings. What's the reasonfor this. Well, here's the aircraft
that they were using to try tointercept these f ninety four starfire And if
you go to the Pima Air andSpace Museum in Tucson, Arizona, you
can see one of these things withthese rocket flaps in place. Now,
if you go to the Air ForceMuseum in Dayton, Ohio, they have

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the rocket flaps in the deployed positionso that they're retracted back so that you
can shoot these. So that's whereyou can see one of these ninety fours.
So here's the drawing of what itlooked like when they were trying to
intercept one of these crafties. Sothis is one of the craft that my

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major over White Sands. So thatlooks very similar. So credibility to the
wow. And they've got gun camerafootage all this. Where is that footage?
Why won't they bring that us?And exactly they haven't shown us right
going back to the Gulf War,going back to Vietnam, going back to

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the Korean War, going back toWorld War Two. They've got gun camera
footage. So there's there's thousands offilm reels from our Air Force pilots that
they've shot. Now, how dowe know that? Let me hit you
with this. This came from Leonard'sbook here. This was a letter to
Leonard Springfield from Mildred Bissell October second, nineteen seventy ninety. This is what
she wrote. It says, Iheard you speak at the Muvan Symposium in

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Dayton last year, and I aminterested in your research on retrievals of a
third time. I gave a talkat a local library last week, and
in the discussion period following, afellow told me that when he was a
gunner in the Air Force, hehad emptied his guns on a UFO and
had taken pictures with his gun camerathat clearly showed the shells exploding against the

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side of the craft. He saidthe camera was taken off the wing of
his plane when it landed and thepictures developed. At two am, a
couple of military policemen king and gothim out of bed and took him to
the base auditorium. They ran theseventeen seconds of movie of the UFO over
and over and questioned him and twoother crew members until ten am. He

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was warned never to tell anyone whathad happened. He said he had a
wife and family and a good joband a lot to lose. He seemed
afraid of the CIA and wouldn't evenkeep his name. So here it is
right from one of the pilots wherehe unloaded an entire magazines of shells on
the side of this craft. Andthey got it on motion picture film realm.
You know they were houses of thesefilms. Yeah. They We have

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five minutes left and I could spendabout another six hours. A lot of
these cases here. We got enoughtime, okay. Camp PAULK, Louisiana,
Summer nineteen fifty three, Private inthe Army case a one page eighty.
That's the reference. Okay, Nowwhat this thing looked like. It

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looked just like that one that cameinto Berkeley University and maybe the same craft,
who knows. And I'm just presentingit here as it was presented in
the string Field book. So thiswas an egg shaped craft about thirty feet
across. It had a rim thatwas still rotating. Now where it came
down, it had this kind ofa red dirt that was still warm to

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the touch when they got there.Now this is the retrieval operation. One
of the bodies was taken out ona stretcher. There were three other beings
that came out that were being quoteunquote assisted by military personnel. Now I
want to describe them. They wereabout three and a half feet tall.
They had oversized head, they hadoversized eyes slipped for them off minute knows.

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They were wearing a one piece typefitting flight suit. They had what
looked like helmets on, and theywere wearing mittens. Believe it or not,
they were wearing mittens. Now,the report said that whatever these beings
were, they left a knee jointso they could at the hips. So
they had the stairstep, you know, moving like they didn't bend either,

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and they refused together the ugly guysin Pescogo and night Walkers. Yeah,
so it was very interesting that thiswas mentioned in the case. Now we
want to go to the full colorillustration to take you to the scene.
Now, and here is the fullcolor illustration. Oh cool, this may
have looked like by Joseph Raith.And you can see the stretcher with the

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body. You can see the otherthree coming out with the hatchway open.
And I'm going to zoom in alittle bit here so that you can get
a better view. Now, here'sthe bodies beings walking out being assistant,
and we'll do a little bit blowup here. Now we see everything coming
into view. So he's being loadedinto the ambulance truck and I want to

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we'll get a little bit more ofa detailed view here and not being being
loaded here. So, oh mygoodness, yep, a lot of time
went into this one. So,oh, Michael, my goodness, I
wish we had more time. Everybody, you need to go get Michael Schatz's

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book Dark Files. It's an amazing, amazing illustrations. I can't thank you
enough for being here. I knowthe field gets frustrated, but your work
is incredible and it's so so important. I hope you know that, and
I hope we all we all appreciatethe work you're doing. It's invaluable,
honestly inspiring. Love it so much, Shane, Thank you so much.

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Thank you to all our listeners.Thank you to Chanel for running the back
end. We couldn't do it withoutyou. And thank you to Kgira and
Bill sky Watcher. Until next TuesdayNight, We'll see you next week.
Everybody, have a great rest,you ever your week, See you next weekend night