Paul Sinclair

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:10):
Our government's denight, military denial,even the mainstream media denies it. But
they are here, and they've beenhere for a very long time. The
Mutual UFO Network has been on thefront lines uncovering the truth since nineteen sixty
nine, and now we're sharing thattruth with you. Welcome, move on.

(00:33):
What's Up with your hosts Katie Paige, Shane Heard and Tara guy juis
exclusively on the KGRA Digital Broadcasting NetworkWondering What's Up? Sum a week.

(00:56):
Whats up? Everybody? It isTuesday night and you are listening to moof
on What's Up Radio, The showthat says discovery starts with curiosity, and
curiosity starts with Mofon. Brought toyou by kg R a dB dot com.
It is great to be back.We've been on a little bit of
a hiatus. I was filming withBeyond Skinwalker. So many great things happen.

(01:19):
I can't wait for those episodes tocome out and for the time I'll
be able to share with all ofyou what happened out there. But I'm
happy to be back. I hopeyou guys haven't have had a great couple
of weeks. As always were endorsedby mofon the Mutual UFO Network, always
asking that all important question, arewe alone in the universe? I am
your host, Katie Paige, Iam with Colorado Moofon, and I'm just

(01:42):
I'm so excited we have Paul Sinclairewith us tonight, all the way from
the UK. Paul has an amazingwebsite. I hope you guys all check
it out, truth Proof. Heruns the Truthproof YouTube channel truthproof dot UK.
Check out his website. He hasso much great information. Just came
out with a new film called wolfLands. It's available on YouTube or Amazon

(02:08):
Prime. I'm sorry I bought itas well worth it. I hope you
guys get a copy of that andwatch it. It's really good. So
I'm anxious to have Paul on alittle bit later. But let's bring Tara
Diulis my co host. You cansee Tara right here on kg IRA's with
Sky Tour livestream with Mark D'Antonio.How are you, Tara? How are
you back? Good? Good,going great? What's up with you?

(02:31):
Oh? Just busy, busy,busy as always, like so many of
us. It's a busy time ofyear, right it is. He's begun
my holiday shopping man, and it'ssneaking up on us really vast is it
the holidays? It is? Iknow, right holiday shirt on? Hey,
that's an awesome one. Look atthat. I like that. That's

(02:52):
and unfortunately we don't have Shane withus tonight, but you know, Shane,
whatever you're up to, we hopeyou're back next week. Next week
we're gonna have Bob Spearing on togo into some in depth research he's been
doing. But we do have himjust to share some exciting news here in
a little bit. But first wehave product and memes. So what do
you have tonight to think? Oh, Katie, I know it recently snowed

(03:15):
near your home. You know itlooks so beautiful, but I just wonder
does it make you want to goout and play in it? Or do
you you know, does it?Well? I was inspired. So today's
means we have two aliens taking thetime to go out and play while it's
snowy. Still love that fun.It shows a little Gray and the alien

(03:35):
Zeno more just sticking their tongues outcatching the calm winter snowfall. And you
know how fun for them? Right? When was the last time you went
out and did that any of us? I think we just yesterday and we're
just working about how in Colorado herewe have that dry snow, so it's
like it's like powder and it's justgone. I'm like, go on a
snowball fights and it's just a lotof fun. It's ah, have fun.

(03:58):
Well, good, we should allbe inspired to play in the snow
at least once this season. Sothey don't get much snow here in Arizona.
But I got a chance a weekor so ago, So oh that's
awesome. Yeah, let's all bekids. Yeah yeah, why not?
Well, you know what I wantedto bring for those of us, like
it is the holidays, if youkind of need some last minute gifts.
I found on Amazon a fun stockingstuffer, or perhaps the last minute gift

(04:21):
for everyone's. It's a big footpen and pencil holder. It's from Jodge's
trunk and it's really a multi useholder and it is basically a handcarved statue
and it's a muscular, bipedal creatureI know, hiding behind the trunk.

(04:42):
Well. He's about seven inches talland his eyes are dark and allegedly glow
red at night. So allegedly right, But they say it loves to hide
behind makeup brushes and toothbrushes and smalltools and plants. And apparently people have
reportedly had encounters with this product intheir offices, so you know, it

(05:03):
can be known as a desk organizeras well. But this and all sorts
of fun Bigfoot alien related products canbe found on Amazon, so check it
out today. So I love thatkind of we're of a makeup broaches,
tooth brushes, plant and yeah,and add a few brushes for my paints

(05:25):
behind me. I think that thereyou go, Oh my gosh. Well,
so next, I'm so excited.Today we have the international Director of
Investigations for MOOF on with us andBob Spearing is here to talk to us
about Project Aquarius and Project Mars.And here we are Bob Spearing, see

(05:45):
you ladies. How are you goodto see you? Holidays? Yes?
Yes, so Bob, what haveyou got to share with us today?
Well, I've got some really excitingthings going on fun right now. Project
Aquarius, our digital library, isgoing to be launching on New Year's Eve

(06:09):
and make it a good Christmas presentalso December twentieth, and basically it's going
to be in two formats. Ifyou're a member of the public not a
MUFON member, you can purchase ayearly subscription for fifty dollars. If you
want an enhanced membership, a VIPmembership that also includes Project Aquarius will be

(06:32):
offering that as well. So wehave a red logo and we have a
blue logo. Okay, Now,the interesting thing is what is Project Aquarius.
Well, a long, long timeago, and Katie was involved with
this fairly recently. They decided abouttwenty five years ago to start scanning thousands

(06:54):
and thousands and thousands of UFO relateddocuments from the government from a Colonel repelled
from Leonard Stringfield, and part ofit was the Mars files, originally called
the Pandora and Tara was on theMars team as well, so she did
a lot of that reaction work alongwith you, Bob. The three of
us here now, Tis and youwere the last project manager of the Mars

(07:19):
project. I believe you changed thename to Mars from Pandora if I'm not
mistaken, that's right, Well,Ken Saint John and then yeah, it
kind of evolved from there, butit really started Debbie Ziegelmeyer and a team
years ago started really digitizing and organizingthese folders, and it just kind of
went through metamorphosis through the years,and now Bob Sparryan and your excellent team

(07:42):
is merging it into Project Aquaria.So I can't learn. I can't wait
to learn to see what you wherethis is going. Yes, So basically,
when we finished redacting Mars, itsort of sat there and I said
to Dave McDonald's executive director, Hey, it's been twenty five years of people
on Facebook are like still waiting forthese files. And he goes, I'm

(08:03):
fine, do it. And sobasically what I realized was that over the
past twenty five years, not onlydid we scan Mars files, which are
the original paper reports that were mailedinto Moufan between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen
ninety five before our computerized system wentinto effect, they've all been scanned,

(08:24):
they've all been redacted to protect witnessesnames. And that's going to be the
first of seven rooms in the ProjectAquarius library. Do you have the graphic
of the seven doors available that wecan pop up? Yeah, let me
find it. Seven doors and I'mlooking for it. Hold on, you're

(08:46):
not talking about this, are youthere? There? Was the Project Aquarius
logos. There was right here,go for it. Any there we go.
Okay, thank you. The rooms. Okay, so the very first
room is going to be Mars.It's approximately eight eight hundred files, six
thousand pages of which are the originalMoufon paper reports that witnesses sent to us.

(09:09):
This is what Katie has been reactingentiret and myself for several years.
To the left on the screen isa newspaper clippings gallery. Basically, the
Archives for the Unexplained in Sweden hasgiven us access to a lot of newspaper
clippings, including all of the filecabinet clippings from APRO, not what David

(09:35):
Marler just discovered, but the originalones that have been around for a decade
or so. So there's going tobe thousands of newspaper clippings. This room,
in particular, will be free tothe public. Anybody can access and
look at all of these clippings.You don't have to do a membership,
you don't have to do a subscription, you don't have to be a Moufon

(09:56):
member. Anybody can access the newsclippings gallery. To the left of that
is the witness sketch gallery. Basically, Muffon has one hundred and thirty five
thousand computerized case reports, and wescoured them and came up with seven thousand
drawings. And some of these peopleare artists, they're incredible. And what

(10:22):
we discovered with several things is thatall of the drawings are listed by case
numbers, so they're in chronological orderessentially. And basically what we found was
that like say, for example,case twenty seven thousand to twenty eight thousand,
there'll be a preponderance of triangles andthen at another time there'll be another

(10:46):
type of flap. The other thingis that when you go through these drawings,
you will see over and over andover again people drawing the same thing.
Without doubt, this is one ofthe best visual tools anybody's ever come
up with. We're also we've alsoput up all of the Muffon journals from

(11:07):
Skylook from nineteen sixty seven up untiltwo thousand and ten, I believe,
and we're going to be adding moreas we go, but you're going to
have forty something years of Muffon journalsthat the public hasn't seen ever early on
including Skylook magazine. Not only thejournals but our original publication Skylook, we're

(11:33):
going to have a historical records collectionfrom various people like Colonel Belt which is
being uploaded now. Leonard Stringfield.We still have to readact some sensitive information.
We need to protect people who arestill alive. John Warren Mindy Tautfestar,
director of Training, has gotten theHayden use collection. Hayden News was

(11:58):
very interesting fellow back in the sixtiesand seventies. He had dialogues going on
with Warna von Braun, with PresidentEisenhrrow, with Einstein, and he had
his own set of UFO reports.I just went to fun headquarters last week
to see what we might be missing, and I found the MJ twelve files

(12:22):
and I found the disc when theywere scanned, and we're putting that up.
That's an entire file cabinet drawer fromnineteen forty seven up until the eighties.
And then in the file cabinet wherewe have the actual Leonard Stringfield notebooks,
in the bottom drawer there were thesethree big folders and I opened it

(12:43):
up and it was the Humpcat,Walter Webb's Humcat all right from seventy You're
seventeen ninety until nineteen eighty one,and then I found the disc for that
that's been scanned. So all Ican tell you is that this is going
to be one incredible package from membersof non members alike. That's awesome.

(13:03):
I think we have a short video, is it okay? If we run
that for that Project Aquarius. Wejust finished this the other day. It's
ready to go. Okay, let'stake a look. Thanks hot I'm Ethan
here at the headquarters of the MutualUFO Network. Are you looking for the
ultimate gift for a loved one thisChristmas? We have a unique and important

(13:24):
idea for the UFO investigator in yourfamily, introducing the new Project Aquarius Digital
Library. It will be offered asa standalone fifty dollars annual subscription to the
public, no membership necessary, andwill also be part of our new Research
Level membership. The Project Aquarius DigitalLibrary will consist of seven rooms going forward.
Initially, this is where you canenter any room by simply clicking on

(13:46):
a door. Room one contains oversix thousand pages of Mars paper UFO reports
mailed to move on between nineteen sixtyseven and nineteen ninety five. Room two
will be a drawings gallery of witnesss, initially consisting of over seven thousand illustrations
from our one hundred and thirty fivethousand UFO report database. Room three a

(14:09):
public domain library of thousands of newspaperarticles. No subscription or membership will be
needed for this room. Room fourwill contain all Moufon journals between nineteen sixty
seven and twenty ten. Room fivewill be a private researchers collection room that
will launch in stages. Among thesecollections will be those of Bob Pratt,
Colonel Edward Rupelt of Project Blue Book, and Leonard Stringfield. Room six will

(14:35):
contain all Moufon symposium preceding booklets betweennineteen seventy one through two thousand and two,
with the more recent ones being scannedin now. Throughout twenty twenty four,
Aquarius will be expanded to include morecollections, the MJ twelve files,
and finally a multi level interactive UFOmap. Pre sales begin on December twentieth,
then access will begin on December thirtyfirst, twenty twenty three. No

(14:58):
Moufon membership is needed for the fiftydollars library card in our move On store.
Go to MoveOn dot com and clickon the store menu at the top
of our homepage. Research level membershipsinclude our e Journal, Paper Journal,
move On TV Research Level, giftBox, Researcher Level Certificate, and finally,
the Project Aquarius Library. Click onour join button on our move on

(15:20):
dot Com homepage to join today.There is a reason we are number one
in the field. We export ourknowledge to you in wighs. No other
UFO research organization on Earth can weare moved on. Wow. How exciting
to know this is going to rollout within what less than a week now,

(15:41):
so I know what I'm getting forChristmas. That's amazing. It's so
happy to see it finally getting launched. More than one five years is twenty
five years in the making. Ijust want to give credit to these besides
both of you, and some otherpeople way way back when this thought it
was people like Michael Swartz, RobertPowell, Richard Hoffman, John Schussler,

(16:03):
and several others I can't think ofoff the top of my head. But
we're so proud that we're finally goingto be able to make this available to
the public. The one thing that'snot ready yet is the multi level map,
and that's because we're in the middleof water marking our drawings and videos
and such. And the Level oneis going to be the CMS cases from

(16:26):
MUFAN with pictures and videos of allone hundred and thirty five thousand mapp uple
cases. Level two is going tobe Nightcap Chronology, which fram Ridge of
Nightcap gave us AFU and Isaac Cooyhas given us permission to use the Larry
Hatch database. We also have Debbyziegel Meyer's USO map, and af YOU

(16:51):
is also putting into production and Excelspreadsheets so that we can translate the Norwegian
and Swedish databases, and we're workingon some other countries to get them on
board too. So that's the onlything that's going to be delayed till about
March. Everything else is ready togo. That's amazing, Bob, good
work. Thank you to you.You've been hard at work for years and

(17:15):
years on this and thanks for nevergiving up on it. So thank you
for sharing with all of us.It's like sneak peek, we're the first
to know. Yeah, So that'sawesome, And like I said, we
will be honored to have you nextweek be our guest and we're going to
talk more about this and some otherthings you've been diving deep into. I
can't wait to get you back on. So thank you for coming on,

(17:37):
Bob and sharing all this exciting news. Okay, great, thank you for
having me. Yeah you guys,you take care, Bob, Merry Christmas.
See you next week, Chris,next week. Thank you so much.
Speaking to Mars, Tara, didyou have I do have a Mars
case. So this Mars case tookplace from August nineteen sixty eight, so
that's the second year that that basicallythey had these digitized things. That's what

(18:03):
he was just saying. But thiswas took place out of Mogador, Ohio.
It was reported fifteen years later byone of the witnesses, and it
was around two am on a clearand quiet night, and two seventeen year
old boys were driving out in thecountry near Mogador Lake. Okay, all
right, let's not be judge.Two am, two boys driving in a

(18:26):
dark, secluded area. So inthe report they said they were out there
talking about what all seventeen year oldboys talk about, girls, right,
Yeah, So these are just somesnippets of the case. But as they
came around the bend in the road, they entered into a clearing near the
lake, and they noticed a reddishorange glowing object just above the trees.

(18:49):
Oh right up Bob's alley. Helikes those orange orbs, Is that right?
Well, they thought it was awater tower with red lights, but
then they realized they had been outthere are hundreds of times and there wasn't
a tower. So they continued drivingand as they went up a little rise
in the road, their headlights shutwere shining in the direction of the lights,

(19:11):
and they both turned to each otherat the same time and said exactly
the same thing, A flying safe, right, So they turned and looked
at each other, and you canjust hear what I'm saying it. They
turned back to look at the objectonce more and it was gone, and
you know, so too scared toget out of the car, they looked

(19:33):
around and they searched through the skythrough the car window, and they couldn't
find anything. But it made nonoise. But they saw it long enough
and clear enough to never forget it. And this is the sketch he drew,
so kind of near the bottom middleis the vehicle coming up that rise
in the road. And you canimagine as they're going up that road,
the headlights are shining above that littlecraft that's above those trees right now,

(19:56):
Yeah, which is which is reallykind of cool. So the boys talked
about what they had just seen andfound that they had not only said the
same thing at the same time,you know, the flying saucer, but
they both had the same thoughts aboutthe tower before they had said anything.
The only difference is one thought theysaw the one. The only difference that

(20:18):
one saw the the other was thatone saw the lights as yellow orange and
the other saw them his reddish orange. So so the reporting party stayed that
he couldn't sleep that night, kepthearing noises on the roof, which he
guests were probably the wind blowing thetrees. But he knew that night that
they were coming to get him,and he was scared, but he didn't
mind going as long as they tookthe other boy too, because he didn't

(20:41):
want to go by himself. Huh. But fure enough, Yeah, it
gave him long enough. Fifteen yearslater he submitted this report to move on
and it's just another cool sighting forfurther investigation in the marsh. Yeah,
and it's a great example of probablyyou'll find in those photos. I mean,
the drawings and stuff of these areincredible, and I'm so glad that

(21:04):
they have a door just for drawingsand sketches because I think we can learn
a lot from that data. Sothat's really cool. Yeah, all right,
well Tara, have you heard?Thank you for sharing my case.
Have you heard? Have I heard? Actually I have heard? And missing
Shane today we are going to Shaneleft us a message, So here we

(21:25):
go. Hey, everybody is Shanehere? What's up? Due to circumstances
beyond our control, we are unableto do a live segment this week,
but we wanted to pre record somethingfor you. Something I think is you
know, really important is happening thisweek. So I'm coming to you kind

(21:48):
of TikTok style here live from myhome in Arizona. And it's about four
thirty am, So forgive me ifit's a little rough. But what I
wanted to do was see if you'veheard that there is pushback now on the
UAP disclosure Bill. This is spearheadedby Chuck Schumer and others and was a

(22:11):
bipartisan effort to bring forth disclosure forUAP in a controlled manner by forming a
nine person panel to review UAP informationfor release to the public without risking national
security issues such as methods and resources. Right, So that's reasonable. They

(22:36):
had bipartisan support all of those things. But now it's being pushed back on
by Senators and House members from theRepublican parties such as Mitch McConnell, Mike
Rogers, Mike Turner, and others. Mike Johnson, the news Speaker of
the House, seems to be pushingback on this bill. So the question

(22:57):
is why why push back on anissue of transparency of our government. Many
of these Republicans claim that that's whatthey value and they want to see that
happening, as well as Democratic membersof both the House and the Senate.
And yet they're pushing back on this. Well who question is why? Well,

(23:19):
whose interests are they serving yours andI as an American public, who
demand transparency on this issue or arethey protecting their own interests or the interests
of the military industrial complex members suchas Lucky to Martin, bowing Raytheon,
and no doubt many others. Andso this is a great concern and this

(23:42):
is where we the people need topush back. So I recommend contacting your
representatives and letting them know that thisis not acceptable, that we demand transparency
on the issue, and that thisreasonable bipartisan bill is an excellent step in
making that happen. So again,I felt like this was important enough that

(24:03):
we need to talk about we needto keep in the public eye, and
it's that public pressure that's going tobring this disclosure forward. So please contact
your representatives and otherwise have a greatweek. Thanks bye you, Shane.
We miss and Jane's absolutely correct thatit's a very important issue, and it

(24:26):
does make you question what the pushbackis all about. What do you think,
Tara, why do you think?Why does it just not surprise me?
It's just so disappointing. Take onestep forward in a few steps back.
But you know, both persevere.It's okay. They can do whatever
they want. So we know we'vebeen at this for decades now. I'm
going to slow down now the pressures. But I know, O, Katie,

(24:53):
what's going on next? Who dowe have coming up? Well?
We have all times, Claire,and I'll tell you I've been a guest
on his Truth Proof and just awonderful guy. I can't wait to get
on him on the show. SoI'm just going to read his quick bio,
we'll get him right on. So. Paul Sinclair is recognized within the
field of unexplained phenomena for his honest, no nonsense approach to the subject.

(25:19):
He prefers to follow the research whereverthat may lead, and I love that
about him, even if it meansputting himself in locations and situations most people
would not want to be in.And I'll tell you I can relate to
that, like, oh, really, you're afraid to go there? Let
me in there. So we havethat. Paul lives on the northeast coast
of Yorkshire with his wife and familyand has been investigating hundreds of strange phenomenon

(25:41):
in the area since two thousand andtwo. His two thousand book Truth Proof
contains first hand accounts of local UFactivity, missing people like David Pilates he
looks into that alien, big catsand I can't wait to ask him about
that missing aircraft and other anomalous phenomenon. It is the first in a four
part book series. He hosts hisshow truth Proof on YouTube on the YouTube

(26:06):
channel. He is also the authorof Night People and most recently released his
first full length film, Wolflands,which can be seen on Amazon Prime.
Paul is the most thorough investigator whois known for his credibility and confidentiality,
and proof showcases the strange truths thatsurround him every day, from the intelligent

(26:27):
light form seen locally on land andout to sea, to reports of strange
creatures including small humanoids stocking farmland,giant cats, giant cats on the Yorkshire
Woods, and even werewolves. Paulmost prefers being stood out on a cliff

(26:47):
edge with a camera around his neck, or an interviewing a witness or experience,
or Paul Leicese prefers sitting on apanel, theorizing what it all might
mean, or pounding in a wayat a laptop. I couldn't agree more
than that. Please, welcome tothe show, Paul Sinclair. Paul,
thank you so much for being hereall the way from the UK. You're
welcome. Honestly, Katie Terra,You're welcome. It's wonderful to be speaking

(27:10):
with you guys, and thank youfor that lovely intro, far better than
what I deliver on the Truth ProofChannel. You know, just I you
know you've been at this for awhile, Paul, I mean you say
two thousand and two. But Imean it sounds like you've sort of had
interactions with the phenomenon for you know, most of your life? Is that

(27:33):
true? And it kind of whatgot started and interested in this phenomenon to
begin with. I would think,yeah, most of my life obviously when
when you when you leave home andyou get a job, you're forging a
living. Why for girls we've gotyou know, it's not on the back
burner. It's always there, justlike you guys, just like your listeners.
It's always there. But when timeallows, and I packed in work

(27:57):
and Katie, I don't have alove of money, but I've got enough
money to do what I wanted todo. And I packed in at forty
eight, and I'd devotd twenty fourto seven to this now. And I
never thought I'd write a book myprevious career knocking nails in wood as a
joiner, but I wrote the firstbook and it's rolled from there. And

(28:18):
yeah, the experiences what I wroteabout in Night People my own experiences.
And obviously a little boy does notkeep a diary. But I would have
thought about the age of four tosix years old, it started, it
began, and you know, youcarry these things around in your head,
don't you know. I didn't eventell Mary, my wife, I don't
know, probably till I was abouttwenty eight, you know, thirty one,

(28:40):
even when we moved here where weare now, in East Yorkshire,
and things began again. It switchedoff at fourteen, don't know why,
and began again in nineteen ninety three. So I'm sixty one now. I
think I was thirty one, thirtythirty one then and it began. It's
almost as though your life's pre mapped. And I don't think I'm special.
I mean is because I don't meanI've forgot what happened in childhood. It

(29:03):
was always there. I couldn't goto bed on a night with the meat
time when you've got when the girlsare just buzzing around you during the day,
you know, for young girls,little girls, but when you've got
that me time and you're laid inyour own silence. I used to night
people's about cameos of events from mychildhood through to about fourteen, and some

(29:25):
later life events. But I've notgot a start, unlike say Travis Walton
or Whitley. You know, whenI've spoken to Whitley at length and I've
spoken to Travis, but not atlength. But you know, been good
friends with Whitley for years, andhe kind of knows not everything, but
he's got quite a lot of detail. I've got cameos of events, and

(29:48):
I refuse to fill those gaps inwith what I think might have happened,
you know, because otherwise, youknow, we're not cheating ourselves, but
we're cheating the reader as well becausethey're not know the grays in between what's
true and what isn't true. SoI just try to speak about what I
remember. Yeah, and it wasterrifying. Sorry, I was gonna say.

(30:11):
I love that honestly about you andwhat you're talking about. I hear
time and time and time again withthese age ranges, like starting like you
said, around four to six andthen it kind of it kind of ebbs
and flows, and then fourteen.These are common ages that do you hear
this too error with experiencers. AndI love the way you approach. I

(30:33):
mean, when people come out andtell you like, oh, I know
exactly who they are, what theyare, what they want, what you
got to run because we won't havethe answers. Katie, You're so right.
I'm sorry to cut across you there, but I've really got still got
no idea what their agenda was.But it was fear based, I believe,
But that doesn't mean I'm correct.Maybe a little boy is gonna feel

(30:56):
that fear when he sees these things. But nothing about it felt good,
you know, when you wake up. We had I lived in a modest
house, a council property council ownedthree bedroom, semi detached house with pasture
at the back and cattle in thefields. And this will relate in a
moment. My dad was very heavyhanded. That's the kindest thing I'm going

(31:17):
to say about him. It wasalways smack first and ask questions later.
I would have never told him whatwere happening. But and I've seen cutting
the grass, You're thinking, where'she going with this? It cou'll make
sense. It poured the long clippingsover and the cattle would come to the
fence. I'd look at their bigblack eyes and I didn't realize what I
was taking in. And then thefirst experience that I've got, the first

(31:38):
memory, is waking up in thenight in that back bedroom. The curtains
were gray, like a silver graycolor. They were made of fiberglass.
I have no idea if anybody canremember fiberglass curtains, but they were and
they kind of sparkled, but notI don't think, you know, they've
got, you know, fiberglasses laid. And I'm looking at things in the

(31:59):
curtain. I see eyes. Ican see four sets of eyes, and
these curtains are a silver gray color, and I'm I'm looking and I'm a
little boy. It's the silent hours, and I'm not frightened at this point,
and I'm staring at them and thesort of coming in and out,
and I'm just thinking, these arethe eyes of cows. That's the only

(32:19):
thing I could relate, you know, it's all we've got our life experiences
to draw on. And at ayoung age, I've got next to no
life experiences, right the cows.But then the next thing I know,
and the beds at the side ofthe wall. Here's where it gets freaky.
These beings are around me. They'rearound either side of me, which
is impossible because my beds outside ofwall. So I don't know how to

(32:42):
get the head around that one.And I'm crying. There's no sound coming.
There's no sound at all, andI'm crying. Then it's daytime.
I've wet the bed. When Iwake up, the first thing I get
is a smack off my dad fordoing that. The bed wetting continued pretty
regular. The visitations were very infrequent, but the bed wetting continued until about

(33:02):
the age of fourteen. Strange.If we ever went to visit grandparents in
Scotland or anywhere, stay there fortwo weeks, nothing, no problem,
go to bed, wake up,I'd be terrified I wet in bed for
the embarrassment. But it never happened. Never happened, just there, you
know. I'd go to when Iwoke up in the morning. And I

(33:23):
don't know whether you wanted to jumpinto this, so I apologies if you
didn't. This is great. WhenI woke up in the morning, the
first thing I hoped was that Dadhad gone to work. That avoided getting
smacked without a doubt, and soI'd wake up in the morning. But
as soon as it was daylight andI was awake, it was like that

(33:45):
I was another person. I wasnot that little boy in that bed.
That night, I went to school. There was a small school. There
were only twenty eight. I wasthe in the school, little village,
and when school played the games,just ordinary kind of little boy, didn't
think of anything special. Well,I weren't. Soon as he got to
the last five six o'clock that itcrept in on me. Well, the

(34:07):
fear to bed, and I saidit in night people. I used to
bunch the covers up as tight asI could into a little ball, and
if I could have climbed in wall, I would have done. I was
so frightened, and I'd leave thelittle gap because I was waiting for him.
I was always never there. Iwas never ready when they came.
I was always waiting. Eventually,as all little boys doing little girls,

(34:30):
you know, when they want anextra half an hour or an hour and
they think they can play up.But if you leave them long enough,
they're going to go to sleep.I never said a word to Mom and
dad. It wasn't just because Iwanted to stay up. I just don't
get I'm waiting. And it wasalways I was always immersed in the the
experience before I realized it was happening, or it was over before when you

(34:52):
realized it had happened, and itwas terror. You know, I spoke
at this year's Awakening, you knowthe Zohar Stargate awakening and Forbidden Knowledge TV
and sorry, yeah this year itwas this year, apologies and that,
you know. And I talked aboutthe Night People. That's the first time
I'd ever openly talked about it.And I showed photographs Back in nineteen ninety

(35:15):
seven ninety eight, I were goingto the doctors on a regular basis.
I obtained my medical records, soI've jumped from childhood y and how people.
Apologies for that, and you know, I've got all the records and
I put them up there on thetalk. It will be available. I
would have thought online somewhere Zoha willput it out. Or is it Billy

(35:36):
Carson's Stargate? I'm not. Isit Stargate not? Is it it's forbidden
knowledge? In't it? Apologies?So, and the doctor's notes say,
we're perplexed by the punch hole lesionsthat keep appearing on this young man's body
every three to six months. Iknew what were going off, but I
couldn't tell anybody. I couldn't saya word, you know. One It

(36:00):
kind of petered out in nineteen ninetyeight. And don't stop me if you
want to go in another direction Ithink this is I mean I personally tearor
too probably, And I know forsure our listeners relate to this. So
many people have experienced and we're soused to telling you know, little kids,
it's your overactive imagination, it's theboogeyman. Oh, there's nothing to

(36:23):
it. And so you learn tojust like what you say, Paul,
you learn to be quiet, shutup. You don't want to get smacked,
you don't want to be ridiculed,and so you kind of suffer in
silence. And I don't know aboutyou, but you know sometimes that can
go on for decades until I wouldimagine Sarah and Katie that there's people listening

(36:45):
to this looking for their own piecesof the puzzle, looking for their own
clue, and never going to saya word. Do you know that?
And perhaps I'm not encouraging people tospeak, but perhaps they maybe should consider
it. Even if they say,I will tell you about this book,
I don't want it publicizing. Iwould not like my story talked about because
it's such a relief when witnesses havespoken to me. For the witness it's

(37:08):
almost like lifting a weight off them. As you guys know this, I
know, and in nineteen ninety eight, myself and Mary had been out.
I had a bite to it,I had a few drinks that evening.
Come back home Sarah, our earliestdaughters old enough to babysit. We go
to bed. This is the lastone. And I didn't all going to

(37:29):
talk about this because I could haveshowed you the photographs and there may be
something night people that. So Iwoke up in the early hours of the
morning and I kind of knew somethingwas wrong. It's almost this phenomena or
elements of the intelligence that is thephenomena. It's deceptive and it's a trickster.
And I saw lights on the wallin the bedroom and there's nothing at

(37:52):
the back of our property to putthe lights on the wall. And I
looked at them and then they wereat that side, and it's almost rabbit
in DLin. It's it's kind ofwatched this hand, but the magic's taking
place in this one. I wokeup once again in bed. My wife's
as side of me, but they'rearound me in bed. So am I

(38:13):
having these images placed in my mind? Something tells me I'm not because of
the scars, the wounds, oram I being taken somewhere else, but
being led to believe that I'm stillin my bed because they're either side of
meriem. They looked like gray typicalwhat people would call grailings, but taller

(38:35):
gray gray blue colored beings, emaciated, no you know, rod type arms
and legs. No, no,no sign of any genital region or anything,
just just almost plaster scene. It'sstrange. But I've thought about the
larger head, you know often andnot just in my case, but I

(38:58):
think to myself people say big thatthese entities heads look, but usually that
it may say to they've got smallshoulders. Would would then comparison if they
filled out a normal sized head.I don't know. Well, I was
just gonna say, it's interesting hearingyou talk about this and and about not

(39:19):
talking to people. We've had someguests on and that's kind of a programming
that that may be done that youyou remember it, but you still don't
talk about it, and you stillquestion yourself. They kind of confuse you,
like you said the trickster, andyou know, that's kind of a
frightening thing to think about, andit really is. And they were saying
to me, and I couldn't hearanything audibly, don't worry, don't worry,

(39:43):
everything will be all right. Andthen I received the most horrendous pain
in my back. Uh, thepain, and if I can find the
photograph when we when you go toa break or see if I can find
it. The pain was off thescale, and they were telling me it
was a bet spring of all thingsturning in the bed. There's no bed

(40:04):
springs patruling the abit, you know, and that's what they were saying.
And I believe I must have passedout with the pain. I really believe
I must have passed out. Thenext morning, daylight arrives, there's a
knock on the door. I couldhear somebody knocking on the door. There's
the four girls. One of themwill be up, probably Jessica, because
she were all us up before everybodyelse. The guy talking at the door.

(40:24):
I didn't get up and have veryearly rise on me. But unusually
I didn't get up. And laterwe'll come to that one in a moment,
because it does tie in with thisU. As I sort of come
around, sit on the edge ofthe bed, sat there no shirt on.
Mary must have woken up and lookedat me, and she was Paul
I don't believe it, said whatshe said, You've got three holes in

(40:46):
your back, and I went wat. She says, Paul, No,
this because I'd had them all overmy arms. I've still got the scars
on my arms. I've still gotthe scars on my back. And if
I get I'm very pale skinned,and if I get so light on my
skin that you can see loads ofthem. It's almost like you imagine somebody
dropping a little bit of acid onyour skin and it creates a lovely ol,

(41:07):
like like the old that you'd seenice. When you see the liquid,
it's weird anyway. And they've healedwith what's called giant foreign body cells
as though there's a procedure being takenplace. That's what the doctor's notes say.
So where I'm I with this?Yes? So she says, no,
Paul, this is serious. Shesaid, these are bad. So
she got up out of bed,put a dressing gown on them. I

(41:29):
don't know a few minutes later,not even that, she comes in with
one of them polaroid cameras where youtake a picture. She took the picture,
Thank god, she did, youknow, not that it's proof of
I couldn't do it, But youknow, I don't know what it's proof
of. It's proof that something happened. Yeah, So we got that,
and that was probably the the lasttime I'd had any kind of physical contact

(41:52):
with these things. But that morning, the guy who would come across was
called Peter, Peter Garner. Hewas a neighbor, and he knocked on
the door to see if we wereall okay. Peter had worked in a
foundry all his life, and hedamaged his lungs with the chemicals or the
materials that he'd used, which meantthat he didn't sleep lying down. He

(42:14):
slap sat in a comfortable chair,usually in his front room, his wife
upstairs in bed, and it's oddtime, and he still smoked like a
chimney despite having bad lungs. Buthe'd sit there and he was looking directly
across the tower house, he says, And in the early hours of the
morning, I never told him.I never told him what had happened.
He said, it looked like awelders torch lighting up, like flashes of

(42:37):
light inside the rooms of your house. He said, there was an electrical
fault. He said, I nearlycame across at one time, banging on
the door. But I was waitingto see if I could see flames or
anything, he said, But itwas a blue white light. So that's
Peter's part in it. But sowhat year was that that that happened.

(42:59):
That was nineteen nine. Let meask you, So this was like kind
of right before you started delving deepinto this topic. Correct? Oh?
Yeah, were you already kind oflooking for answers at that. I've been
constantly throughout my life looking for answers. I just worked vocal. I just

(43:19):
wasn't about it, you know.And Mary, when it started when we
moved into the property in ninety three, a huge house. I mean,
I'm sat here at the moment ina little room I've made in one of
the outbuildings. But it started innineteen ninety three. We bought this huge
Victorian terrest house. You know,nothing absolutely special, but it's on three

(43:43):
floors, it's a big mahogany staircase, and well, we could only afford
a wreck, if you know whatI mean. I couldn't have afforded a
property like this done up, sowe bought it. I would come up
on a weekend and work on thisproperty, and within the first I don't
know a few days of working onit used to come up with Sarah,
our eldest daughter, would put amattress on the top floor of the house

(44:07):
we had. There were a TValready in the house from the previous occupants
because we bought it lock stock andbarrel everything. It was just like somebody's
house. Yeah, but it werehonestly Terah, it was all old and
dilapidated. What had happened briefly,because it's not one to explain phenomena this
an old lady and her husband hadowned the house all their life and brought

(44:27):
their family up. The gentleman passedaway, she remarried a sweetheart from childhood.
There's a tip to everybody to makea will. She passed away and
he inherited the house. So everythinginside the property, family pictures, everything,
personal letters, everything that was personalto the couple that had lived there

(44:50):
all the life meant nothing to thisguy. He moved away and it just
went up to sale and inherited thelot. Why we were there, Why
we were in this house full offurniture, beautiful mahogany staircase. We'd only
been there probably a week, twoweeks and it's the weekend. And here's
another story. This is when itkicked off again in ninety three. I

(45:14):
I we'd been working on property allday. Sarah's at this side of me
on the mattress, and I'm lookingout. It's on the floor onto the
mahogany staircase and a monstrous staircase,huge, great, big landings. And
I woke up in the night andthere's a little alcove, little two foot
pillar of brick and then a rightangle and not a mahogany door. It

(45:36):
was painted with what's called wood grain, so it's dark. And I woke
up in the night and I thought, we've painted staircase white. And I
thought, do we haven't? Wehaven't painted it white? Why there's only
me here and Sarah and the wallswere an olive green. And then I
thought I could see a shadow,a huge shadow shape on the door,

(45:58):
and I'm looking at it, andthe pol sinclare me. I would normally
get up and investigate what it was, but I just laid there. Can
I see this? Can't I seethat? Am I imagining it? And
I looked at Sarah and she's asleep, And then I looked and the spindles,
you know, the wooden spindles onthe staircase and the handrail. They're
white, but they're getting whiter.And I'm looking at it and I'm staring

(46:21):
and I can't believe it, andit's getting whiter and whiter and whiter.
And this landing where you could lookover and look right to the ground floor,
because you know, this had anindependent one staircase that came up.
I'm still on the floor and Ican see beings coming up. Oh my
god, they're there. And doyou know when I wrote Night People,

(46:43):
I thought it were going to bringback lots of memories. Before writing Night
People, this is the only memorythat came back before that. The spindles
went white and they looked like fluorescenttubes. And the next thing I remember,
it was morning. But during thewriting of Night People, I remembered
the beings coming up, and they'rethere, and it looked like a Nativity
scene, but it wasn't biblical.I'm just trying to put that picture into

(47:07):
people's minds. It looked rich andlustrous and glowing. They were beings.
I can't I can't think of anotherway to explain it. And then the
spindles became so white on the staircaseand the andrail that they look like fluorescent
tubes, and everything just went white. And that was it. Next thing
I know, it's morning and Isay to Sarah, wake up. And

(47:30):
I say, right this Sunday morning, said to Sarah, Well, we're
work till about two o'clock, Sarah, then we'll go home to your mum
and your sisters. Sarah's not working, but she's she's old enough, she's
enjoying coming up with her dad.And so anyway, I just stretch out
my arms such as you know whatyou do, and they covered the peppered
in little holes all over my arms. And they're not they're not painful.

(47:52):
They're completely painless. There's no blood. You can see into them at this
point. They're only as big asthe head of a match both. I
mean, those on my back theylooked like, I don't know, it
looked like a small fire bullet all. You know. They're like ab character

(48:13):
from your side of the world,but you know, the kind of like
that. The proper holes, threebig goals in my back which were deep
when because they did a biopsy onthe ones on my back back in nineteen
ninety eight, you know, tosee and asked me who was abusing me?
Who was doing it? Done itmyself. And then I sat there
with the doctor, lying to thedoctor because he knew I was lying,

(48:35):
but I did tell him. Ithought, by telling him what what I
know has happened is going to beworse for me than letting the lie role.
Do you know what I mean?Well, back then it wasn't talked
about, and it's not like itis now and not in the mainstream,
so I didn't really expect talking aboutabout night people. I don't know,
I didn't mind. I'm happy todo that, you know. No,

(48:58):
I'm really happy your share in allthis. And Paul, you kind of
you didn't really come right out andsay it, but it sounds to me
like there was some telepathic communication goingon during some of these like hey,
you know, everything will be okaynow you heard that just in your mind?
Yeah, it wasn't affordible, Itwas just in my mind. You

(49:22):
know, you can't stay calm orwas that effect? Everything will be okay?
And it's a bed spring of allthings. It's a bed spring turning
in your back. You know,it was a spot gasping, just so
so bizarre and kind of touch wouldapart from strange things happening in the property,

(49:45):
almost like poltergeist activity, it's justcontinuing throughout the years. You know,
nothing else has happened now with itbeing such a big property. When
the girls left, you know,the four girls, me and my wife
still thought what we going to dowith this spot. And because because of
my job as a joiner, wegot planning permission. I turned it into

(50:05):
three flats, so we've got theground floor flat. Never told the tenants
about anything. So a lady thatlived in there for one of the tenants
for seven years knocked on the doorone day, rang the bell, Paul,
have you got a minute. Canwe have a word? Can I
have a word? Yeah, yousaid this place an I said, why
do you say that? Actually,she said, this is the same room

(50:30):
when I had that experience, theback bedroom. And she said, she
said, the strangest thing last night, and I know it's not UFO related,
really, she said, I waslaid in bed and she had a
little Yorkshire Terrier called Buster. Shesays, Buster was laid on the bed,
very yappy, little doggie one.But the soundproof so it didn't bother
us too much that she said thebed went down. Someone sat on the

(50:52):
bed. She says, I movedmy feet about and I could feel Buster.
I knew it weren't him because itwere too heavy anyway, And I
said, who's there? I hada conversation with somebody called Alexander Saint Clair.
I have no recollection of we have. I'm Sinclair s A N C
L A r AI R. Butwe don't know anybody in our family line

(51:15):
called that. And I said,and what else did he say? And
she said, I can't remember,but it was just with bizarre one.
And then in the top flat,Bob Brown's in the top flat. Bob's
come to us, he said,And how does this work? He said
that a dark shadow of a personbipedle has walked straight through my living room
on more than one occasion. Isseeing this. We made a point of

(51:38):
not noting anything. Well, I'msaying this. I don't be done.
Hear it. There's a guy inthe middle flat. Now I've never said
a word to him, you knowwhat I mean. But it's just I
don't know. I think sometimes myI wouldn't say, you can evoke this
stuff, but you know, ghostHunt to Sea ghost UFO researcher. I

(52:00):
think you can perhaps bring this typeof thing through. I would never advocate
the use of the wigi board thatright away, I'd never advocate the use
of it. But where am Igoing with this? The people experience.
I've used the wigi board invariably itstarts with a bit of a thrill.
They're trying to connect to something.I know there's people who use it seriously

(52:22):
and maybe they can get good resultsfrom it. I wouldn't use one.
But where I'm going with it isthe phenomena. The intelligence that is the
phenomena kind of interacts with the individualon an almost playful level. It gives
them what they want at first,and as their enthusiasm grows, as their
knowledge grows, or they supposed knowledge, because they're not in control even if

(52:46):
they think they are, it getsout of hand and this genie that they've
uncorked becomes quite uncontrollable until they canget some help. And you know,
we get that, you know theskin Walker the skin Walker Ranch. People
go there and they will allegedly takeback that would the hitchhiker effect, take

(53:07):
back something with them. The essenceof what is there and the area that
I research here in Bempton we getthe same kind of thing, Katie.
You know it's a multi phenomenal areawhere these things this do you know?
I'm not sure if it's more thanone intelligence that's presenting. I'm not sure

(53:30):
if it's And I don't mean sorry, are you going to break? Well?
No, And we got about fourminutes to a break and after we
play an evening on Earth with anextra treasure. I really want to dig
deep into the high strangeness kind ofthings. But really quick, before break,
you mentioned poultric ice activity and youknow, seeing shadows and what I

(53:52):
speculate would be maybe a ghost perhaps, And then you also have the ET
contact, I mean marks on yourback and your arms and that. Do
you connect these two phenomena, theghost and the UFO contact or do you
consider them separate? No? Iconnect, one hundred percent connect. And

(54:14):
if I sound forceful to anybody that'slistening, there's only my opinions. I
could be wrong, but I canI connect them all. There are threads
of the strangeness running through them allthat have similarities. Let's let's take him,
for example, a UFO encounter moreoften. And I know you want
to pick this up after the afterthe break, but often you'll see the

(54:35):
witnesses will recall report what I callthe lower silence. Other people have said
the ospact call it the lower silencein the truth of course, this descent
into this strange, disjointed silence thatover overwhelms everybody. Now we get that
with the cryptids. So it's thesame exotic science that's been employed, even

(54:55):
if it's not the same intelligence that'semploying it. It's almost like this unknown
other that resides beyond this firewall thatthe human might intelligence can't get past.
Remembers firewall, analogy, the ILF, the intelligent life are all words that

(55:22):
are put in the books that Idon't think you've heard anywhere else. Have
you tried to cleanse your house atall? Have you done anything like that?
No, But there's a good onewhere when we we'd moved in,
we've been in the property for youknow, I worked on it for a
few weeks to get it actually habitable. There was no hot water when we
first moved in. So when weactually moved in, Mayor myself, Mary

(55:45):
and the girls, we've been inabout a week and there's a knock on
the door and people can google thisman. I've got to the door.
I've got my little troop of girlsbehind me because we didn't know anybody in
the area. And there's a there'sthe Reverend Tom Willis stood at the door,
introduced himself. He said, I'vebeen to the property before, I've

(56:05):
blessed it before. He says,I'd like to bless the house. So
he proceeded to go all around thehouse saying things, and me and Sarah
are following him. He gets tothe top room and he actually said I
wouldn't let your children sleeping that room. Well, as Sarah's stood behind him,
she looks horrified. So Tom Willisand you can pick up on this
after the break if you want,because there's a bit more to him.

(56:27):
They've made documentaries about him. Inthe nineteen nineties, he was the official
exorcist for the United Kingdom. ForBritain, there would have been more exorcist,
but he's renowned. They made TVprograms about him. I didn't know
HIMY just come and knocked on thedoor. But ye, you know,
so he'd been to the property before. And what I didn't say when I
was talking about this, the activitythat we encountered when we first moved in.

(56:52):
When we stripped the wallpaper back andgot back to this property, there's
pentagrams on wall. We found bagsand bags of letters that I wasn't I
were not even aware of what theseletters were. And there were spirit letters
out automatic writing, and the oldcouple had been practicing spiritualism and other things

(57:14):
by the looks of it. Yeah, it's time for break, but I
want to dig into this more becauseI think that opens doors. So hanging
in there with us and we'll seeyou guys on the other side of the
break. All right, Welcome backeverybody. My god, I've been like

(57:36):
riveted for the first part of theshow. I mean what you're talking about,
Paul, I think more people experiencingwhat we even imagine. I had
very similar things, Tara, haveyou experienced similar things. It's similar things
that just happened recently. So yeah, it's kind of strange. So to
tell you, no, no,no, I woke up with fluorescence on

(57:59):
my life. I sent you thatpicture and I have no idea what it's
about. So I'm doing my ownlittle investigation on it and just documenting it.
And right, Yeah, Darryl Simskind of taught you how to look
for the pescence and Sodo you sentme Terre. It's a very unusual pattern.
I know. It's it's looked likea chain link, a link of

(58:19):
chain that's going across both of mycalves. So and it only lasted about
twenty four hours, forty hours.How did you know that, Tara?
Did you perceive that something unusual hadhappened during the night. That's a good
question. Not during that night.But I'll tell you for the last week
or so before I found this,I've been needing to get a UV like

(58:42):
and it. You know, Derek, I talked to Darryl I got you
know, he didn't tell me todo any of this, but I was
inspired by his book and it wasjust something inside me that you don't tell
everybody. Get a UV light andI the first day I checked and I
found that. Wow, I don'tknow, and it's like, how convenient?
Yeah, right, but I can'texplain it. And I've showed it
to a few people and you've notfound it since. It's not since I've

(59:06):
been looking every day since and it'sbeen fascinating and I don't mean that that's
not true. It is fascinating.It's almost like occasionally we'll take different people
who've never been up to the clifftops of bempt and these remote areas,
and very occasionally but you'll take someonenew up and there's a little bit of
activity. It's almost as though itputs on a display or it gives you

(59:30):
something and you've you've saying to yourself, I must get a UV light.
One of the first times that youtry, you've got that. Incidentally,
before we jump into it, Imet Daryl. We got on like a
house on fire to conference earlier.What a genuine guy. And if he's
listening to this, I mean thatthat's from the heart. There was lots

(59:52):
of speakers at the conference. I'venot got a bad word to say against
anybody, but I spent all daymixing with anybody that would come to me
and sharing information. Do you knowelse did Dearyl Simms? But a lot
of those other speakers didn't. Theydid their talk and disappeared approachable. All
credit to Daryl Simms and quickly whatsame you know when he came last year

(01:00:14):
super so you know for that menot your guys. No, so I
started a little game, you know, it's kind of fun and interesting.
It's called an evening on Earth withan extra terrestrial. So maybe maybe this
is your tall, grayish blue guy, which that you added the blue one

(01:00:37):
there, because when I first gotinto this, I'm always looking. I'm
like, we're the blue ones.We are the blue ones, and the
what you describe is very similar.So it makes me wonder if we've interacted
with the same species. Anyway,Well, let's say this guy comes down
to Earth. Where would you liketo have an evening? Where on Earth?
One place on the planet Earth?Where would you go? I hope

(01:00:58):
I'm not combining two questions here,but I think where I would I like
to go? I'd like I'd liketo sit for an evening at home with
him and ask in the questions thatI've always wanted to have answers to.
Probably I'll end up going to thegrave without these answers, but yeah,
great question. So you're at home, that's a perfect location. And so
you're going to serve your eat friendssome food. What would you like him

(01:01:21):
to try? Definitely olives and cheese, olives and beautiful ham. You know,
I like food. Look at me, I love food, but you
know nibble food, nibbley type foods, beautiful ham, olives, nice cheesers,
crackers. Yeah, all day,that's perfect. And what music would

(01:01:42):
be playing in the background. Whatmusic? I don't know if you have
heard of this band, Well,well, I play some of my daughter's
music because she's she's a singer,but we haven't got any to play.
But I resound if you want tolook for her on YouTube. And they've
done that, They've done all shedoes, all the harmonies in wolf Lands,
you know, all the music thatgoes through it. It's a full
score. And I might as welljust boast about that for a moment,

(01:02:05):
because brag about your daughter. Ilove you well, Jessica. A guy
contacted me said he liked what wewere doing with Wolflans and he'd liked to
help us with the music. AndI've become good friends with in the Colin
Mick Park and they were very famousin the nineteen nineties and eight two thousands
for producing dance music top top ayeshalon dance music or He has worked with

(01:02:30):
bands such as You two and RubyTurner and Robbie Williams. But he's done
along with my daughter Jessica. They'vecreated the music for Wolflans. Probably want
to listen to some music such asDavid Gray. And if you've heard of
David Gray, David Gray or SkunkerNancy. So there you have to find

(01:02:51):
this music people and they'll be peoplelistening thinking what's he on about? But
yeah, this is exactly why Ido this segment because now you just turned
me on to a few great itokay is one of their songs, and
David Gray's got one called Babylon,so I'm going to check that out for
sure. And so you're going torecommend a film for this et to watch.

(01:03:14):
What film would you recommend? ThatA great question because I don't watch
many films, but probably one thatkind of stirred me and made me feel
a bit emotional because I can crylooking at the color purple. Oh good
one, And that's a good film. And of course you're going to have
to share your own film with himas well, with plans. Look at

(01:03:36):
this, I would say, mister, look at this one. You have
one question in this game, Sowhat one question would you want to answer?
First and foremost? Yeah, whata good question. And I've never
been asked the question, what wouldI ask them? Uh, could I
go back in time? M hm, Well, if you yeah, what

(01:03:57):
would you do? Would you change? I'd want, well, could I
go back and observe then my childhoodand see I want to know why they
did what they did. But Isuppose if we've got different types of beings
coming through, and when we sayET, Katie Tera, I don't subscribe
to the notion that they're necessarily fromup there. I think they're already here.

(01:04:20):
But but we just play with theidea if we've different types of beings
coming through. The one that you'retalking about who wants to be in touch
with Paul Sinclair might not have beenanything to do with what interacted with me
in childhood, but I'd love childhood. Do you get a sense of that,
Paul? I mean, have youfelt like your early ET contact has

(01:04:41):
led you on a path perhaps thatyou have felt guided. It's definitely led
me on a path. It's probablysteered me in the direction that I don't
see much good in what is comingfrom these visitors to coin Whitley's terminology for
them, the visitors, you know, and this year at the new conference

(01:05:03):
that we'll be talking about the NewAwakening in February of twenty twenty four,
Steve Mihra and Vitally. The themeof the conference is the Dark Side of
Uhology upology, and you know,I had no problem thinking of things to
talk about regarding the dark side ofupology. I'm sure that there are good

(01:05:24):
things that happen, and full powerand credit to the people. I'm not
disrespecting anyone that has those experiences,but they've never been mine. So yeah,
I think i'd like to he said, it's such a great questions there,
but olive and cheese probably I loveit. I mean, it's not

(01:05:45):
like something you could leave out forSanta as well, you know, without
a doubt, without a doubt,a sophisticated Santa, that's right. So
I have a question for you,Paul. You know, you've talked about
the aliens and then the shadows,and you've seen so many different things,

(01:06:06):
and I'm just curious, if youknow, it seems like they're doing different
things. You hear of abductions andthey're doing things to people, and these
shadow things all I hear and I'msure I don't have the scoop of it,
but they're just peeking around or runninghere and there, and you know,
so do you do are they allyou said they're related? Do you

(01:06:27):
think they're those shadow things are doingthings that we just aren't aware of.
They're they're anesthetizing as I mean,do we just not know what the other
folks are doing because I don't knowwhat they're doing? Versus do we know
what? We don't know? Thethe et if we want to call them
eat is that these intelligent others aredoing. Do we actually know that?
You know it's and when I saythat all related, I mean the so

(01:06:50):
I think it's the same. Icall it the exotic science that's that's being
used. I think there's so manythreads that run through this that that at
least show that the same technology,if that's the word, is being employed.
Like we touched on the lower silence, this dissent into the feace,

(01:07:10):
we're people in the cryptid community,the ghost community, the UFO community that
a fear just suddenly overwhelmed me.And I don't know from where that everything
went silent as we touched on before, and there's lots of threads that run
through it all that tell me,even if it isn't the same entities using
different masks that you know as ultimatelyyou know, when we talk about the

(01:07:38):
poltergeist phenomena, it starts off almosta meebeish. It's like, did that
happen? I just thought I sawsomething move in the peripheral or with a
click like a light switch. Butas we become aware, it grows,
it develops, it becomes more intelligent, almost as we become more aware of

(01:08:01):
it. It really is a difficultone. I've been having my big screen
TV not only turn on at randomtimes, but now turning off. So
this last couple of weeks, youknow, I've been out filming for Beyond
skin Walker again, and the onethe last day of filming, I'm getting
up. Normally I'm staying in adifferent town, but for this last night
it's a long story. I endedup stay at the house and boom the

(01:08:25):
TV. And it's interesting how ourbrains. I think, if you're a
reasonable human, you're like, okay, is this set on a timer?
Like you're always looking for explanations orI didn't see what I thought I did
out of my prefer like you're saying, so we're always trying to explain things
away, And I agree with you. Paul. The more we're tuned in,
it seems like it grows more intelligentor something. You're correct, but

(01:08:47):
you both you're spot on the asgood researchers, as not even not just
research as anybody who's looking for theanswers we're doing and you're doing it.
You're doing it to it. We'lllook for the logical answer first. We've
got to do that in all instances. The thrill, if that's the word,
is actually exhausting all those avenues andthen realizing that you're left with a

(01:09:11):
true unknown. That is the thrill, because you know, I do find
it. It's edgy, I reallydo, even though it's not nice.
Some of the stuff that I've beenlooking into, the animal mutilations and things
like that twenty seventeen to twenty nineteenin our area, which we could touch
on if you wanted, but Idon't have to. You know, some

(01:09:32):
of it's not nice, but Ikind of I like the edginus have.
I had that overwhelming fear come overme twice on those cliff tops, and
I've done these cliff tops on andoff for the last twenty years and various
other places because I noticed in theintro you said you maybe thought it was
a wrong spelling when you said thewolves. Well, the wolds. This

(01:09:56):
is the eastern North Yorkshire Wolds.It's an area of barren land and wolves
in our terminology is the wilds,the wildlands if you went back in time,
you know, so it's the wolvesas they call them. But yeah,
I've spent years in these locations andon farmland getting permission. Invariably,
the phenomenon, as you know,does not present to order. It will

(01:10:18):
not show because Paul Sinclair stands atthree in the morning opening will see something.
It's it kind of smacks you inthe between the eyes when you're least
expecting it. But it's exciting.You only need that one ingredient or that
one trigger to set you off again, you know what I mean. Yeah,
now this is an excellent segue.Do you mind, Paul if I

(01:10:41):
share the truth proof research clip thatyou have. I think it's an excellent
clip. So if we can rollthat terror with proof research, and let's
tell us a little bit more aboutwhat he does. Thank you. Okay.
I come into the would two orthree times a week, so I'm

(01:11:02):
a collector of stories of the unusual, of the strange of the bizarre.
Today we're at danes Dyke and we'regoing to have a little wander around the
area because as part of my researchover the years, lots of unusual things
have been seen and reported about thespheres of light that have been seen around
danes Dyke. I saw these twored orange the brightest red orangebes have ever

(01:11:27):
seen, well, the brightest redorange light. The Beast of Barmston Drains

(01:11:47):
six miles up the road, Flixtonten miles inland, the Flixton warewol Why
are these stories concentrated around this area? And I do think that there's other
realities or something inter dimensional. Andif you have got one, was it
the edge of these houses stirred thebomb off that lunch lake fluffed and up

(01:12:12):
and down and backwards and forwards andup and down. We started all calling
and we started laying on it.The boat was going over. There was
a hell of a lot of weight. The start had side come out of
the water, and I actually therewas an ejector scene. So I actually

(01:12:33):
winched him aboard and he come aboardin one eight and we're putting far side
of the Whitehouse. When we're talkingabout things out at sea many time we've
been up there, and we keepher in this noise, so it's a
rumbling noise and we're trying to explainabout where it comes from, and it
sounded at sea. I absolutely lovethe fact. I mean you and I

(01:13:23):
have that in common, the highstrangeness and we're talking. I mean,
you kind of go somewhere I haven'tgone really, which is the missing people?
And I want to talk about thatright out of the gate here because
you met. I mean, there'ssome articles there are missing people this bird
what is the bird woman? Whatis that? I want to know about
that, but actually go out anddo the work and do the interviews.

(01:13:45):
I can't tell you how much Iappreciate the work that you're doing because just
even the conversations that we've had,we're tying in, you know, these
disembodied voices in these strange boxes andI'm like, holy cow, and I
be talking to some of the crewlike this is happening in the UK and
we're making connections. And the onlyway you can do that is by doing

(01:14:05):
the work that you do, Paul. So thank you. Yeah, bird
woman, it's actually and you've notgot it wrong, but it's b Briddlington,
but I would probably do it exactlythe same. So I realized when

(01:14:27):
you read the Wolves and I justsaw you think he's got this spelling wrong,
and I thought I would come back. But the Missing People is that
way. If you want to goon touch on that for five ten minutes,
let's do it. Struggle when Italk about the missing people, And
for why do I struggle? BecauseI realized that there's there's relatives still alive,

(01:14:50):
There's there's there's somebody's sown, somebody'sdaughter, somebody's husband, somebody's wife.
And I think as researchers, asinterested part is we should never forget
that ingredient. This is not entertainment, so you know, and I'll try
to be as respectful as I can. And in the first book, I
wrote about the missing people at Benton, and I did it in the second

(01:15:12):
book, and I think I talkedextensively on Dreamland a few times to Whitley
and on Coast about them. Butthen it's kind of dropped off, not
because of any pressure from anyone.I just struggle with it for the reasons
I've given you, Because but wecan't ignore the fact. I think providing
as researchers, we acknowledge the factthat we haven't a clue where they've gone,

(01:15:35):
and we cannot say that this isUFO related, cryptid related, or
any other. But we have toaccept the fact that they've gone missing,
vanished off the face of the earthin an area that it produces highly unusual
phenomena. So if I feel comfortable, if I can just keep at that
and examples, there's quite a fewthat I've covered, but these I found

(01:16:00):
these interesting and asking me to pluckdates at at the top of my head.
But it was December twenty thirteen aman took his camp a van v
W camper van to the nature reserveat Bempton Because primarily a lot of my
research stems around the area of Bempton, and these at Bempton start at two

(01:16:23):
hundred foot sheer wall, rock wallsup to four hundred and twenty foot and
there's fencers around them and all artabsolutely sheer drop. You can't climb them.
It's all chalk and they're a bitloose. In the summertime. It's
a seabird colony. Well it's aseabird colony all year round, but they
come and visit and nest, soyou get a lot of visitors in the

(01:16:45):
daytime. I now get reports frompeople visiting the seabird colony saying the seen
unusual things, heard unusual thing whichis fascinating. But with the missing people
December the twenty first, twenty thirteen, so it's late on in year,
the seabirds have all flown. Buthe visits the area, parks his Campa
van in the car park, spendsa few days there. The red flag

(01:17:11):
went up when his van had beenleft in the car park all day,
no parking ticket paid for, andhe'd vanished. No sign of this man
ever. Again, I've looked carefullyat the people that have gone missing,
Katie Terra. I've looked carefully tosort of weed out anybody that might have
had a history of depression, anybodythat I don't know. Found out that

(01:17:33):
the wifer husband's having an affair andit's absolutely pushed them over the edge,
you know, literally, and they'velost the taking their own lives. None
of this has figured in what otherpeople I have looked at. So he
vanished. It's very close as wellto Arif Bentton, the former radar base
that closed in it came to thearea in nineteen forty, closed in nineteen

(01:17:55):
seventy. Why am I going onabout that. It's a subterranean base as
a nut type rotor. There's anunderground was a complex, but there's a
large expanse of passageways and rooms belowground. It was a radiar secret radar
base at some time in its operationin the fifties as well. When it
closed, it was used intermittently bya Satanic cult. But I'm not connecting
the cult to the missing people.But I'm just putting that in there.

(01:18:18):
It's literally you can see it fromthe visitor car park right twenty third of
December, he vanishes, huge policesearch, and a lot of the newspapers
would just touch on this one willalways attribute somebody to taking their own life
off the cliffs. Of course they'reon the edge of the cliffs. But

(01:18:39):
it makes the news even more becausewhen someone goes missing up there, you
get the Coastguard, you get thelifeboat, you get airc rescue, you
get the police, get all theservices looking for these people. Somebody goes
missing in town, it's just theplaces so they've gone. Let's go over
now into twenty four team we haven'teven gone a month, and there's a

(01:19:02):
guy then decides he wants to visitthe cliff tops to view and walk because
a lot of walkers go. Hegets a train from a town city called
York, which will be about thirtyfive forty miles away. The train breaks
down, he gets a taxi puton by a British rail and it drops
him off on Cliff Lane. It'sa single track mile long range lane with
nothing else on it that goes tothe nature reserve. It was seen on

(01:19:26):
CCTV walking up cliff Lane, sowe know his last whereabouts. Never been
seen since, so there's not evena month gone. Then we'll go twenty
nine miles out of the up thecoast. Now this one's a little bit
further out of the range where Inormally go, but because of the close
proximity in time that we go toa place called Whitby, just all along

(01:19:48):
that coast though the sea, youknow the sea, and a guy parks
his car on I think it wascalled Ullapol Road, which is very close
to the seafront. Never seen since. So the first two the guy white
train and got dropped off. He'sactually on ground zero. He's gone to
the top of their Vanish campavan man. He's on ground zero, the same

(01:20:10):
location vanished one uh and they calledhis name, but I don't. I
don't think there's a law that saysyou can't. All the papers have put
the name. Just feel for thepeople, you know. For a day's
fishing fifteen miles up the coast,he took his two spaniel dogs with him
and his provisions for the day thenet. The following morning, a walker

(01:20:32):
or someone on the cliff tops foundhis dogs running about on his and his
fishing tackle and he'd gone so disappearedin thirty eight days. You guys have
anything in common. I know DavidPlattis talks about these German physicists that go
missing, and you know, guyshave anything in common. They've got things
in common. By age. Theywere all a similar age and a similar

(01:20:55):
build. But that and I'll tellyou another strange one. And David Plydis
did reach out to me years agoabout a guy I would gone missing on
Benton Lane just out of Bridlington,a case I just put up online and
somebody must have touched on it forhim, and we did exchange a little
bit of information and I'm happy totalk to him again if he ever wanted

(01:21:15):
to. But I've not pursued it. Let's put it that way. So
where am I going with this?So come on, Paul, because I
sidetracked myself with the Benton Lane one, didn't I. Yeah, another thing.
During the course of these missing peoplefrom two thousand and four, I've
been looking into them with a guythat vanished on in two thousand and four,

(01:21:36):
parked his car on the car park, never been seen since. Most
of them have gone missing on awaning gibbus moon. That's interesting, now,
you know what. I weren't lookingfor the phases of the moon.
These guys are on the edge ofthe North Sea and I wanted to check

(01:21:56):
the tides to see whether they'd goneover the lifts and potentially worthy on the
rocks. There's no beaches below thesecliffs. It's inaccessible in most places all
year round, and boats don't comein because it's it's it's horrendo. If
you if you look back in time, you'll see off Benton and Flamber ahead.
There are more shipwrecks in than anyother place in the Kingdom. There's

(01:22:21):
five rip tides that converge. It'sa, it's a it's a really hostile
bit of sea. And so Ifound myself looking at the tides and the
tides also you know when if youlook at the tide tables, they'll give
you the phase of the moon,and I thought, look, hell,
we're getting a waning gibbus moon ona lot of the missing people, which
I found fascinating, just like,excuse me the month of June. I

(01:22:45):
don't know whether this has occurred tothe to the researchers at Skinwalker, but
whether certain months are more prominent,but the month of June's seems whether it
does, does coincidence exist every isanything random with unexplained phenomena, because it
seems to if it's random, westill can't capture or get an handle on
what's happening. But there's so manythings happened in June, unexplainable things,

(01:23:10):
Katie, and I don't want tojump off on it. If you have
any questions to ask about what I'vejust been saying. I was just curious
about the different types of tides.Is there some sort of electromagnetism anomalies there?
Do you get you know, welllike that, I don't know if
you know, Steve Mirror an absolutelyincredible guest for you to have on is

(01:23:30):
it really works really well. AndSteve has done a lot of research on
the magnetic anomalies and things happening inpositive magnetic anomalies. Well, I can
tell you know, the area ofBempton and Flamber is on a very very
strong negative magnetic anomalaly negative. Youknow, there's not a great deal of
difference that the magnetic strength I supposethat's scientifically minded, is weaker in that

(01:23:56):
area. That makes it a magneticanomal a negative magne Nettick anomaly. Get
your team and I'll tell you whatelse. So it's also on a prime
meridian line this area as well,which is interesting. And I don't know,
there's so many quirky things that youfind out. Like I talked about

(01:24:17):
June. You know, on Junethe fifteenth, nineteen ninety eight, Z
seven two three, which is atornado was flying off the coast of Bempton
and Flambor and vanished from radar.When I say vanished, I don't mean
it just disappeared. It's probably gonebelow radar and so it's gone not traceable.

(01:24:38):
The UFO researchers of the day desperatelywanted to pin this to UFO related
phenomena. I wasn't I knew ithad happened, but I was one of
those, probably like your listeners,got an avid interest. I've got my
own experiences and I'm just watching andcollecting information for myself. But there's a
loads of activity, loads and loadsof UFO activity over the North Sea,

(01:25:00):
over Bemton Flamboro at the time thatit vanished June the fifteenth. I found
then in an archive very short timeafter, not even weeks after that.
Fishermen and I've spoke to the fishermennow reported seeing a large dark object descend
from the sky and land on thesurface of the sea. Lifeboat I went,

(01:25:23):
I got freedom information, I gotthe log and they went out and
the investigated. They watched it fora length of time on the surface,
you know, on the sea.But when the lifeboat got there to investigate,
there was nothing there sea. There'slarge dark objects should not fall out
of the sky. I've got reportsof triangles entering the sea around the same

(01:25:44):
time. If we stay with Juneand why June, it could just be
coincidence. But June the fifteenth,twenty twenty, a fifteen seagull vanishes from
radar Benton and Flamborough. All right, you know, we know there's a
lot of years in between. Ifwe got to June the eighth, nineteen
seventy two, a cessna, orat least we think the cessna's in the

(01:26:06):
sea, there's a pilot inland flyinga cessna. Shouldn't have been over the
North Sea. And this is anotherquirky coincidence. You saw the guy with
the tattoos in the s film.There he was. He was a crew
member on board a troller called theBetty. He was the guy that found
the navigator from z A six tenin nineteen December the twelve, nineteen eighty

(01:26:29):
five. But let's jump back tonineteen seventy two, June the eighth,
so we're in the month of June. He's on the Betty, the same
boat, just off Flamberhead and Benton, and he says to his two crew
members, there's a man in thewater. There is six miles out in
the North Sea. The life expectancyif you were in the North Sea,
it's probably a minute in minute you'vegone. And it's just how they didn't

(01:26:55):
believe in but the Tuckies worked forit because he's a formidable guy, is
Tom. He said, you knowthe duo. You know he's a nice
guy as well in years. Sowhat he said, he says, we
steamed out to it and sure enoughhe's in the sea. We pull him
aboard. Is still alive by thetime search and rescue comes passed away.
Now he just got normal trousers ona butt, not shirt. It was

(01:27:18):
the pilot of a cessna that hadbeen in land. They never found the
cessna. Do we a tribute thisto UFO related information? We can't.
It's June the fifteenth, June thefifteenth, two thy and eleven. There's
a small animal park two miles fromBempton and Flamborough and two miles from me.

(01:27:40):
I'm it's about slap bang in themiddle. I'm in Bridlington, so
behold they call it. They've hadall sorts of little animals, monkeys,
macaques and wallabies. The biggest,the biggest wallabies the Bennett's Wallabies. And
that is prominent when I say whatI'm going to say. On June the
fifteenth, and I went and satand spoke for hours with the head zookeeper,

(01:28:00):
the first of the wallabies got decapitatedand they never found ahead and it
was absolutely prestine. If that doesn'tsound too MCRB for people, So he
said, then over the course,and you'll see where I'm going with this
research. Am I okay talking aboutthis, Katie? Yeah? Yeah,
absolutely. Then he said, overthe next four or five days, and

(01:28:24):
even though we're keeping a close eyeon the wallabies and we've had them for
decades and nothing's ever predated on them, and we've only got fox and badger
that could probably disturb them. Inmind are the biggest of the wallabies as
well, so he doesn't believe afox could even do anything like this.
But over the next four or fivedays, all of the wallabies were decapitated.

(01:28:45):
They never found what was responsible,but the authorities blamed it on a
fox. Now let's let's end theresearch. Let's extend the research. I
then continued to look and throughout theUnited Kingdom in small animal parks in those
months, wallabies wore decapitate. Whatthe heck? So now let's extend the

(01:29:11):
research and let's go ten thousand milesto New South Wales and I contacted lots
of animal parks. Yeah, wallabieswere decapitated. Coff's Coast, Emerald Coast,
Canberra. They were finding wallabies decapitated, And now do I think that's
true and explain phenomena. I actuallywant to jump off fence and say,

(01:29:31):
yeah, I do. Something verystrange was happening. The cuts the bodies
that they'd found, there's very littleblood in Australia. They were saying they
were looking for somebody with a samuraisword. The cut was so clean.
Can you imagine trying to even catchone of them? Really, only person
who really looked into and contacted theseother locations. I don't think anybody else

(01:29:58):
has ever looked into it in thethat I've looked into it. And that's
not a boast people. That's that'swhat I went on midnight in the desert.
And I think they're long shows.Three hours. I think we did
three hours just on the Wallabies extensiveyou know, years ago, that one.
But yeah, but it's fascinating.So as if it's not intriguing enough,

(01:30:19):
I was actually looking at the monthof June and I found that everything
else. Then I looked in theUnited Kingdom and then I discovered that annual
bunny park. I can't think ofthe names of the the other animal sanctuaries,
but they weren't just one or two. There were lots of animal parks.
But the thing was it never madeany national news. So our local

(01:30:42):
paper reported it and said the foxesto blame. We think it's a fox.
Wolds there was an animal park.They thought it was a fox that
was to blame. It's almost asif all foxes have got together on phone
and said at the memo. Ifound it fascinating and I thought, well,
why not let me just have alook if any of this is migrated

(01:31:05):
to Australia, And sure enough hehas. You know, when I spoke
to a professor who has been areally nice guy. But sometimes I do
find that the explanations put forward byacademia are more related, more more ridiculous
than just accepting that it could betrue and explain phenomena that's responsible for this.

(01:31:26):
Well, he believed it was aninternet craze. He believed that it
hadn't caught on and then sort ofmigrated to the other side of the world.
I just the logistics in trying tocatch a wallaby. Can you imagine
they're so fast. Can you kindof link those beheadings to the animal mutilation

(01:31:51):
phenomena and can you talk about thata little bit. I mean, you
mentioned you have cattle on your ownproperty. Have you ever experienced that?
And you could talk about what's happeningin your area, because in the Midwest
it seems to kind of you know, through Montana, Wyoming and Colorado,
Oklahoma, through the United States,you have something similar there in the UK,

(01:32:13):
Yeah, and more sheep than cattle, Katie, you know. In
twenty seventeen, it was New Year'sDay. Myself and Mary we touched on
in that short bit of film.I talked about danes Dyke. It's an
ancient earthwork that's two and a halfmiles long. It's Neolithic, so it's
over three and a half thousand yearsold, and it cuts Flamberhead off the

(01:32:33):
mainland. There's a road running throughit now, but and it's a small
woodland. And New Year's Day,myself and Mary took some food for the
man who lived basically wild in danesDyke. Peter that call him a lovely
guy, lived there for thirteen yearsin a tent. I seriously lived for
thirteen years in a tent, didn'tdo drinks, didn't do drugs, just

(01:32:57):
a nice guy, and lots ofpeople liked him and we did, and
we used to take him food.So we took him some food. And
this does relate to the animals,by the way, and I don't just
want to talk about an almost guy. So I took him the food and
he said, you've just missed thepolice. I said, really, Peter,
why, well, what's been happening, because well, they wanted to
know if I'd seen an unusual animal, in particular a very strange looking dog.

(01:33:21):
I said really, and he saidyeah. I said why. He
said, well, they wanted Ithink it's in connection with some sheep that
had been killed at Bempton, andwell this one was slightly different era,
but it's no less interesting. Sothat got me my little ears pricked up.
And I found the farmer and wentand spoke to him, sat in

(01:33:44):
his room, had a couple ofcups of tea with him, and came
great friends over years, and Isaid, I'd like to help you look
into what's killing your sheep. First, he gave me a breakdown of what
had been happening, and he'd lostabout twenty seven sheep, and I said
nothing about unexplained phenomena or anything ofthat nature. I just said I'd help
him. So I went onto thisparticular field where at times, at the

(01:34:05):
peak of the lambing season was fourhundred sheep on. And I went on
in between four point thirty and eightam every morning for not every morning,
three or four times a week,for from twenty seventeen when I got established
with the guy, to just aftertwenty nineteen when it peetered out, and
I'd going in a morning to agrid section of the field. Then i'd

(01:34:28):
drop into this little wood and I'llbreak all this down because it's so fascinating
on the carb. But at timesit weren't every week, but it were
happening over that course of that twoyears, and i'd find an animal,
I'd find the carcass of a sheep. The other farmers were telling him crows
were taking the eyes well, androoks and ravens well. The reason I

(01:34:48):
we're going that early were to disprovethat I got there there was lambs in
the field. Sometimes you would findthe fully grown you seventy five to eighty
five kilou on its side, thelamb at the side of it stood the
side of its mum. So theseanimals we've only got Fox and Badger have
took down the eye and left theeasy prey. They've left the lamb.

(01:35:12):
This is my carb, people,so I apologize, but they've not broke
into the carcass. They've stripped itsface of skin, literally took its ears,
took its eyes, sometimes a frontleft leg. Don't know why that
would be yeah expression advised. Soso yes, he won my carb.
And I were finding that up overthe next two years, as well as

(01:35:34):
roe deer, as well as Badger, and as well as Fox. One
morning I went onto the field andI did the grid section, and I
dropped into this little bit of woodland, and I've got my wife's little dog,
women Wolfed. They called him onhis tiny little dog apps just a
company of beautiful dog look and Ireally did. He would just brilliant and

(01:35:57):
he'd walk around. Do you knowsomething, just before we get to the
unexplained phenomena. When I first wentonto the field, when the farmer gave
me permission, uh, I hadthe dog on the lead and say,
this forum the cheap it was.It was just like a herd just moving
away from me. You could seethem because they were frightened. They were
frightened. After the two years hadpassed, they knew me. I could

(01:36:19):
walk them on with dog and everythingthey knew and it was nice. I
actually got a lot of respect forthese animals and liked them. Anyway,
I dropped into the woodland and Iheard voices right next to me, electronic
voices. It was robotic, shouldsay robotic and yeah, yeah, experience.

(01:36:43):
Now there was a field. It'sonly a narrow strip of woodland,
and you've got danes dyke at theside of it, and you've got a
field with the purple flower. It'scalled borridge. I don't know whether they
call it that in the States.It produced a starflower oil. And there's
a bield of borridge, and Iand had you don't like going across crops
because I've been brought up on farmsall my life as a child around farmland,

(01:37:04):
and I'm thinking, I'm off overthat field. This has unnerved me
that he really did. It unnervedme. I'm on my own, it's
not even quite light and I've heardthese voices. Wow. So anyway,
I continue to walk through the woodand then I thought, well, I'm
not going to go out field.I'm coming back. It's getting light now,
and I walked through it as Icome back, and we've not found

(01:37:25):
a sheep this particular morning, butthere's been a roadier running about with the
sheep. I think he wore he'dgot antlers, but I don't think you
were mature enough to mix with thefully grown ones, So he will keeping
out away. And as I'm walkingacross the field, the farmer's coming towards
me and he's got me a cupof coffee, which happened quite regular,
because you know, I was kindof helping him and I weren't telling people.

(01:37:47):
The rule was I didn't disclose wherethe place was, and I still
haven't, never have. And evenif I did, and you knew the
name that this field's called, eventhat ties in with it's crazy. So
anyway, walking across he goes thefirst thing he said to me was you
know that rodeo that that's been infielder. I said, yeah, I
said it's He said it's over there. I said, what do you mean?

(01:38:08):
He says, it's near the kissinggate, in a little gate that
you go through, because I usedto pull would drive past all that and
park in his again, his farmyard. So we walked over to it,
and sure enough his face has stripped, eyes removed. Ears were there,
but eyes removed. So that's therodeo. Then he said to me,
and I found this fascinating. Hesaid, saw lights last night. I

(01:38:30):
said, well, he said,in my bedroom as well, or a
lad listening to music. We headphoneson and I saw some lights moving around
wall. I said, well,torch, He went, I don't think
so, because it weren't to ba. I said, didn't you get up?
He went no, And I kindof he had a check why character

(01:38:50):
for this man? You know,you were quite a formidable man, you
know, And I couldn't understand that. And we just found the rodeo.
So then I said to him,he's got some decking out front. Bearing
in mind this farmhouse is stood inthe middle of nowhere, so he can
sit in front of his house allnight if he wants. There's not disturbing
nobody. And I said, I'vejust heard some voices, some like robotic

(01:39:11):
voices, as I walked through.He says, I heard him. I
said. When he says, Isaid, when he says, I,
I sat on my deck in havinga drink and he didn't. I don't
think you drink alcoholic a coffee ortea. And I said where he went
there? And he pointed his deckin off the ground, say eight or
nine inch he's got a few chairson it. And at the side of
the field, not not where i'djust been, where the vorage was.

(01:39:33):
There's varley or corner. I'm notgoing to say which I remember. And
I said where He said there?I said, what it is about twenty
foot in? There's no tracks inCorn, there's nothing. The area just
exhibits everything all manner of the unexplained. It's crazy multi phenomena. Course,

(01:39:53):
that's what it is. And there'sso many similarities. So one more than
unless you've got anything to ask,Well, it's going to say, we
only have about thirteen minutes left,and I wanted to talk about your movie
wolf Lands, and so one ofthe maybe I hate to start the change
the subject, but maybe you couldtalk about that for the few minutes we
have, right, and we dohave the clip of your I don't know

(01:40:15):
if it's bloopers or footage that didn'tmake it, and we can play that
when you queue it. But canyou tell us a little bit about the
project first before Yeah, first andthe counts, and I've spent time in
the forests with the witnesses, nightsin the forest. I mean, some
of these witnesses have brought down intears when they've come out in the morning
where they've seen something that they couldonly describe. I'm sorry for saying it

(01:40:39):
like this, because I don't thinkthese things exist, not on the earth
plane. They're coming from somewhere else. But they can only describe them as
a werewolf or a dog man.If that's the terminology people want to use.
I'm happy with that. But yetso which took us three years to
make. I think we thought wewere going to do it in twelve months,
but we've done it in three yearsto make. It went on Amazon
Prime and for ten weeks it wasin the top one hundred with the documentaries,

(01:41:04):
with everybody's documentaries I'm talking about likeBlue Planet and all the other things.
I can't believe it got to numberten at one time. So we're
proud of it. But it's justthe first hand witnesses. And he also
showed the multi phenomena aspect as well. We blended into it the light form
phenomena that people seen. And I'mcourtious, wary of the time, are

(01:41:27):
aware of the time. I'll giveyou one. A gamekeeper two thousand and
two in North Yorkshire at a placecalled Cropton and state these forests walking along
the logging road with his cousin who'dcome to stay with him for a week.
And he's living in an abandoned farmhouse. The gamekeeper Bonifid gamekeeper working there.
He says, as we're walking,it says, a sphere of light
just shot up from the side ofus, size of a baseball ex marine

(01:41:50):
this guy, he said, andwe're close to aria Filingdale, So he
said, I thought there were squadsin the forest. I grabbed my cousin
and I dropped him to the floorbecause I expected to come out. I
thought we'd touched a trip by aflare, and he said, but nothing
happened. I looked for scorch marksthat night, I looked the next day.
Nothing Now wolf Lands. Although we'vetouched on the Bigfoot where wolf phenomena,

(01:42:14):
we touch on the Bigfoot as well, so that's where I'm going.
I must pull myself up here,he said. After that had happened,
my cousin went home. Not becauseof that. It would have just went
home, says me. And theother gamekeeper then heard a baby crying in
the forest, the human infant,he said. Whenever we went to where
we thought it was, it hadset off deeper in the forest. And
there is a quite big forest,he said. And I didn't get to

(01:42:36):
the back bottom of what it was. Then one night, I'm in the
farmhouse, the doors barricaded up atthe back. I've got a bolt on
the front door, no curtains.It's in middle of forest. It worked
there for years and never knew itwere there. He just went off the
logging road and found this house ina clearing one day, seriously in the
middle of the forest. It hadbeen not been occupied since nineteen fifty six.

(01:42:56):
Wow, it's laid feet to thefire, he says, And I
woke up. I don't know whyI woke up, he said, but
I did. And I'm looking atthe window, he says, in this
huge figure came to the window andit's looking in. He said. It's
taller than the window. So Idon't see ears, I don't see glowing
eyes. I just see this monstroushead and there's even bigger shoulders. This

(01:43:16):
guy's for If you watch Wolflans,this guy's formidable. And he said.
The next night, or a fewnights later, he said, because I
was. I was troubled but unnerved. He said, I felt like I'd
been watched everywhere I went, hesays. In front of the house,
about thirty to forty feet away werepine trees, and pine trees at the
sides, he says, And Igot down in the pine boughs with a

(01:43:40):
tarp on the floor and warm clothing, and I waited, he saysn't sure
enough. In the early hours ofthe morning, it came out of the
forest and went a lot. Hesaid, So you've got the farm house,
and then it drops down to lowerbuildings. He said. Its head
was higher than the gutter. Andit arrived and looked in the window,
he said. But it didn't walk, he said. It arrived, it
glided, did leg movement. Sorry, I said. It reminds me of

(01:44:05):
Pasca googlle a little bit. Howthey just yeah, yeah, yeah,
So it just arrived, he said. So here I'm out, he said,
And I've packed up sleeping bag inthe in the house. Look to
look like me basically, he says, so here am I watching it watching
me in the house. Another onewas watching me. Wow. He said

(01:44:27):
it stood there for ten minutes.This is just one of the accounts from
Wolflans. I think there's about sixor eight. It's there for ten minutes
and then just went back to whereit came. He said. The most
uneasy part for me was going backto the farmhouse in case it had entered
the farmhouse somehow from round the back. A few days later, he left
and he never came back, youknow. And that's one of the accounts.

(01:44:48):
That's the gentleman that was on theshow with me when I was your
guest. I came in and heis correct. Yeah, and that's a
very very just my favorite. Iknow you want to talk about wolf Lands,
But can you guys see those woundson my back? Right? Oh
yeah, I know it's a blackand white picture, people, but fund

(01:45:12):
and and and these are the actualdoctor's notes that I've put in. I
haven't written these. Do you knowwhat you can see the doctor? I
don't know if you can see he'sdone a drawing. Yeah, yeah,
I did see that. These arethose are pretty big wounds that had to
be very So is it okay withyou if we run this street proof or

(01:45:32):
the wolf Lands deleted scenes video sopeople can get a if we I think
it's just okay if we can runthat really quickly. Yeah, all right,
here we go today. We've cometo the other side of the river

(01:46:04):
Derwent, the opposite side to wherethe guys got trapped in the forest a
few years ago. For a reason, we want to look at a place
called more Rig. Pretty insignificant name. You might think you know initially when
you're looking on a map, butI've done quite a bit of research into

(01:46:24):
the names on these maps, andmore Rig spelt m aw is quite significant.
It really is when you actually lookat it. In Viking terminology,
the more represented more than just amere word, a simple word. The
more we're literally in the realm ofjaws more Rig, and the more represents

(01:46:53):
the hound of hell Man. No. I just think that showcases the depths

(01:47:20):
in which you research. I mean, not only do you go out to
the field, you interview witnesses,your research name. You're trying to link
things from around the world, andyou have such a connection to this high
strange it's phenomenon that really like yousaid, it ties all these things in.
I mean, these anomalous sounds thatyou're hearing, the disembodied voices.

(01:47:42):
And how much time do we haveleft terror We have about minutes, six
minutes, darn it, gosh,darn it, five and a half minutes.
You kind of made a point thatyou believe perhaps these things are already
here. They're not coming from somewhereelse where. Do you think they are?
Number one, And let's talk aboutportal activity for a minute. Where
do you think about that portal?It's a word inter dimensional and other word.

(01:48:08):
We're just playing with words. Thinkwe're playing with words. They're from
some other sphere of existence. Let'slook at it like it's a record,
and there's all these lines on therecord, and it's almost like they can
just step over into our realm,into our sphere of existence. I've spoken
to American Indians who say much thesame thing, that you know, these

(01:48:28):
things have got the ability to livebetween worlds, and and I think that
the things that were described in wolfLands excuse me, we're flesh and blood
were but there's there's an element tothem that's that's sort of metaphysical. And
where do I think some of thealien type stuff come. Well, I'm
going to use a word here onceagain. Please remember where you've heard it
first, because it's going to bethe title of my new book. And

(01:48:50):
they're coming because I know you,I know you're going to use it.
I know people are going to usethis, but I want people to realize
Paul Sinclair said it first. They'recoming. They're coming from the sub universe,
the submerged universe, below the oceans. That's where they're residing in the
sub universe. When you consider thatI'm not necessarily talking about the cryptid here,

(01:49:11):
but when you consider that there's ninetyto ninety five percent of the world's
oceans uncharted, we've got a vastamount of uncharted land if you want it.
In for ont of a better way, we know it's liquid that we
were on the surface, but there'sa lot of area there that people know
nothing about, so it's possible.But basically we're on the edge of the
North Sea here, and I'm documentingthese these things that I've coined the ilf's

(01:49:36):
the intelligent light forms. These lightsare appearing and presenting over the sea.
They're coming from the sub universe.In my opinion, And I think a
lot of this intelligence that we're dealingwith could be coming from the sub universe.
When you say sub universe, you'retalking about maybe the Earth or the

(01:49:57):
itself. Are you thinking dimensions aremaybe both? I'm saying that these things
could reside beneath the oceans of theworld. Then this is the submerged universe,
the sub universe, So things aren'tcoming from tier. I'm not saying
that things aren't coming through dimensions.I can't think where these cryptids could possibly
hide in a postage stamp sized countrylike the UK. They've seen and we've

(01:50:24):
got too many witnesses claiming to seethese things and have these terrifying experiences for
them not to be real. We'vejust got to establish what is the real
And I don't think it's the bonifide, flesh and blood type reel that we
associate with a horse or a bovine. Yes, it makes it. It
makes it hard to get our headsaround because I'm dealing with the same thing

(01:50:46):
here at these high strength branches,Like we know we have aquifers underground,
but there's dirt and rock and minerals. Where are they hiding are there?
How does this work, and Ithink that's what we're all trying to get
our heads around and try to figureout. I want to mention you've been
an amazing guest and I hope thatyou'll come back and visit us because there's
just so much to cover with you. But I want to shout out your

(01:51:09):
website again, you know, makesure you guys check out his website,
truthproof dot UK. There's so manygreat links there. Please check out his
YouTube channel truth Proof on YouTube andfor sure, I highly recommend you check
out Woolflands on Amazon Prime. Socheck that out. You won't be disappointed.

(01:51:31):
I bought it so I have it. I can watch it over and
over and over again. I can'tthank you enough for being here. Shane.
We miss you. We hope you'reback with us next Tuesday. We
have Bob Spearing and he's been lookinginto something quite interesting, so I can't
wait to dive deep with Bob Spearingnext week. On that. Tara,
thank you so much, and Chanel, we miss you. We hope you're

(01:51:53):
back with us next week next week, and thank you to all our listeners.
Thank you to KGRA. Are wegood time wise or We're good?
We haven't got one minute left actually, so let's bring up his book real
quick so people can get a wholeseries here. He has truth for one.
I'm getting there. There we go, There we go, one,

(01:52:13):
two, three, and four,and then of course your night people.
I definitely am going to get myselfa copy of that and again check out
with Lands. So, Paul,thank you so much for being here.
Thank you, and we will haveyou back sometime soon. Yes, thank
you, thank you, Thanks bye, everybody,

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

The Breakfast Club

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Paul Sinclair

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}Stuff You Should Know

Dateline NBC

The Breakfast Club

All Episodes

Paul Sinclair

Stuff You Should Know