Phil Mantle and Irena Scott

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Episode Transcript

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Government's tonight, Military's tonight. Eventhe mainstream media denis but they are here,
and we've been here for very longtime. The Mutual UFO Network has
been on the front lines uncovering thetruth since nineteen sixty nine, and now
we're sharing that truth with you.Welcome LUFA. What's Up with your hosts

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jam packed with so many great topicsand I think you guys will totally enjoy
it. As always, we areendorsed by mufon The Mutual UFO Network,
always asking that all important question,are we alone in the universe? I
am your host. Katie Page isthe Colorado MUFON State Director and MARS administrator,
and we have unbelievable, super great, awesome guests, and I'm so

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excited. I've been wanting to meetfilm Mantle for a long time. He's
been on that short bucket list.So we have film Mantle and doctor Irena
Scott here here shortly, and I'mjust so excited to have them on the
show. What an honor. First, I'd like to bring in my co
host, Tara Diulis. You canalso see Tara right here on KGr on
Skytour Live with Mark d'Antona Tonio.Tara, how are you doing? How

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is your weekend? Hey? Hello, everybody? What's up? Weekends?
Nice? It's it's cooling off.It's only down to one hundred and thirteen
these days, so awesome. Higherplace going in the back right up here
in the back of the mountains.So I just know it's just hot year
around there. Just let's just getit over with. Every Tuesday it will

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be like it's hot. I wasit in Arizona. Hot in Arizona hot.
Still very beautiful though, wouldn't liveanywhere else Arizona. You just stay
inside all the time. Yes,I know, it's fun, it's fun.
So what do you have to kickus off? Today. Well,
have you guys, have you everbeen out and brought some stuff home with

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you, such as like puppies oranything. Well, I wonder what aliens
do you know? I'm wondering ifabductions or something like that, like lost
humans. So today's me it's avintage meme shows the interior of a UFO
and you can see stars and spaceout the window, and standing there with
his hands in his pocket is likean average Joe. So there are two

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aliens next to him and one issaying to the other, you abducted him,
you feed him. It looks likehe has a beer gut. To
me, I think you know,a six pack of you. Even the
aliens have the same shape. Ohit funny, that's hilarious. Good,
Oh my gosh. Well, I'mso excited to get to talk to our

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guests today. They have so muchto share, and I want to introduce
you to their cool website called Flyingdisc Press. Well, this is a
film. Mantle started this, andif you go there, you can go
to the shop button and find allsorts of unique products that you get to
customize yourself. So the thing is, you find you can't find these signs

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elsewhere anywhere. So how it worksis you choose from hundreds of products and
you add your own photos or theirimages and text and they can print it
and you can make yourself or makeit for yourself or your favorite people,
make them happy with the gift,because seriously, the holidays are coming up,
right, So this is for instance, this is an image representing the

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alien abduction of Calvin Parker and CharlesHickson. This happened on October eleventh in
nineteen seventy three and Pascagoula, Mississippi. I don't know, and we're in
for a treat because our guests areexperts in this and we look forward to
hearing more about what actually happened.But you can get this image on their

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website printed on so many items,so such as this, this is a
square refrigerator magnet. Yes, it'sreally cool. And then they have some
how about some t shirts or handbags. You know, there's hoodies and tank
tops and t's and this is afun one. Everybody needs a set of

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coasters. I'm a coaster fanatic.I have coasters everywhere I am everywhere.
I know, yes, well youknow I'm ordering copper. Are they pretty?
They're cool. So this is animage of the Roswell report that they
have. Arguably it's the most famousu UFO crash of all time. But
it too can be printed on allsorts of fun items, including T shirts

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and hoodies and aprons, and theyhave children's sizes too, And again you
can't find these images anywhere else,so I encourage all of you, and
let's see if I can get tothis. Go to go to Flying Discpress
dot com and you can create yourown items or choose from that are already

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there and just directly from the catalog. So kind of neat stuff that you
can get for yourself or friends forChristmas. And what do you think,
Katie? I love it. Andit's never too early to start that Christmas
wish list for sure, So yeah, I'm gonna put in an order.
That image is fantastic, And ofcourse with the sad passing of Calvin Parker,

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which we honored him last week onour show and we'll get to doctor
Irena Scott and film mantle about himand his legacy. So yeah, very
cool products. So I hope peoplewill go out and check out their website
and order some things up and supportthe work date they do. It's very
important, absolutely, and they havelots of other images, not just those
two. So but lastly, rememberto fuel up and stay hydrated. Everyone

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I'm making sure're always drinking, andI'm drinking hot cocoa. No, just
joking. It's not that cold night. There's never a bad time for hot
coco even if it's one hundred andthirteen now because I am as alcoholic.
So so, Katie, have youheard? No, what have you heard?

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Well, we're missing Shane today.Have you heard? Shane's under the
weather everyone, and he really wantedto be here today, so darn it
was really really really disappointed. ButShane, we hope you get well soon,
get better soon. It's never beingsick. So taking those movies and
drinking hot chocolate, hot chocolate,hot tea, hot tea, will we

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miss you? Yep? Didn't focus? Get better soon, yeah, so
Katie, what do you have forus? Then, well, I have
a case of the week. Soit's a little lengthy, and I need
my reading glasses. And before werun the video or show the image,
let me just read this to Thisis case number one one six three two

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seven. It occurred on May eighthof twenty sixteen, so it's a bit
a little bit older of a case, but it's a fascinating case. Nonetheless,
happened at three o'clock in the morning, which is important in Fresno,
California, Category two case. Andthis is what the witness had to say.
He was he was a third truckof four in like a convoy,
running together on the highway. Theyleft Oakland after a concert they were touring

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with. So this is a bigconvoy of and I'm curious, like I
wonder what banded or something headed.Yeah, there were headed to San Diego.
It was about three o'clock in themorning, and he happened to see
a light shine out across in frontof us, maybe two miles or so
ahead of us, and then itwent to the right, and then the
light went out, and he didn'tthink much of it. He said,

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I thought at first someone was shiningdeer like out hunting, but at three
in the morning, you know whatI mean. And then he saw a
beam shine downward and didn't see anythingelse. The origin of the light looked
to be about one hundred feet abovethe ground. Then it went out.
Then you could see white marker lightsas it crossed the five and turned north
on the other side and came rightat them before it reached us. It

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turned back and went south and crossedback over the five to the west,
and the lights all went out andI couldn't see it anymore. The fella
in the truck in front said hesaw it off the right, just sitting
there, hovering. That's an importantlittle notice that it was covering there.
I saw a light shining in mypassenger side window, coming at me from
a little behind me. I thoughtit was going to slam into the side

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of my tractor. It came straightstraight at me. There were three very
white lights across the front edge ofthis thing, shining right into my side
window. It came to an almosta complete stop, rotated, tipped on
its edge, and slid over thetop of my tractor and out over the
front of my windshield. It hadno visible propulsion system. Could it could

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be a new military style drone,but ken drones hover without propellers or fans
systems of any kind. I knowthis investigator who took this case, well,
she's in California, and she closedit as an unknown UAB. Now
it's important to note here is thatagain this is three o'clock in the morning.
This is several witnesses in this convoyof big rigs, and so let's

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first bring up the image of thiscase that came. This is what the
witness drew the trucker okay of thecraft, and he had a good look
at it. It was right outsidehis window. Image. I'm sorry,
Oh you're not hold on, yeah, I think I put it up.
Did I put it up top?If you see it, click on it

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and I'll take it down. It'soh here, here it is. It's
at the very end. I gotyou. Thank you, You're welcome.
I normally put that in order.I'm sorry, Tara anyway. So here's
the bottom view as it came rightup over their truck. Would have these
three light ridges on the edge andthen a light in the back. They
said it moved very slowly, silently. Again it hovered, it banked,

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it made an abrupt turn. Now, if we run the video here,
possibly a large I won't touch anyof the dials anymore, it's all your
Possibly a large military drone. Again, I don't know. Let's just run
that video and we'll get your opinionon it. Here we go, it

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does kind of bank like a plane. Yeah, you know, wow,
wow, it was really low.You would think it was a plane.
But there were no blinking lights.Now that was that black and white image.
But now that's on. So truckersare required to keep these cameras on

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their trucks, right, And hewasn't sure if he captured. So what's
interesting this narrative. And I didn'tread the whole thing because it's quite lengthy,
but they talked about seeing it andthen so and they have this encounter
with it coming very close, hovering, and then it kind of banked off
to the right and then back overthe freeway again. So this, you
know, this lasted. This wholeencounter was four to five minutes long.

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And again it was witnessed by severaltruckers. So was it just a military
craft? It didn't behave like that, according to the witness testimony, so
very intriguing case. Cat two casecloses as an unknown. So that's my
case of the week. You havea MARS case you'd like to share?
Very cool, Yeah, okay,let me get up here. So MARS
again is the move on archive researchand reporting system. And we are so

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lucky that we now get to delveinto the databases for these and Katie and
I and Bobby whole team of reallytop notch people went through and made thousands
and thousands of redactions. And thisis just a short case. Today's case
is a report only, so notthe investigation. And it took place in

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San Bernardino, California, shortly beforeChristmas of nineteen seventy five, and a
sergeant in the US Air Force,so credible witness, was driving on the
highway around four pm, which isdaylight then, and he noticed what he
just described as glittering to the south, so he pulled over, along with

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a whole bunch of other people.Basically, he pulled over, and when
he looked closer, he observed adark object which appeared to be moving slowly
towards him. So the object camewithin a thousand feet of the sergeant and
at which point it remained stationary inthe air, about five hundred feet.

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He first thought it was a helicopter, but as it came near the shape
became more distinct, and he's trainedto know what's in the sky and especially
during the daytime. He described theobject as being like a clam shell with
the small bolt in the front end. Never seen an image like this before,
but as clam shell remind you of, We're gonna ask Phil Mantle about

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the clamshell. I do believe thatPascagoula was kind of CLAMSHELLI ish if my
recollection is correct. So the witnessdrew this image and just amid those top
little lines over the bulges. ButI didn't want to edit his image at
all. But he described it aboutthe size of it. It was described

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it as midnight black and except foroccasional reflection from the central bulge, which
he gave the impression that that bulgehad some ridges on it. And he
described it as being about the sizeof a dime if being held at arm's
length. Right, Okay, Soafter stopping, the object slowly moved off

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towards the mountains and disappeared in thedistance, and there were dozens of other
cars who stopped in the same areaobserving the phenomenon, but there was no
indication of the duration of the sightingor information as to the investigation or the
final disposition. And this image showsan eyeball on the left looking but i've

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almost looks like a clamshell. Butthat was kind of his perspective of it
as well, which is, it'sneat. It's neat to see these witness
drawings, and you don't have tobe an artist to draw what you think
you see. So yeah, butthat's it. So have you ever you
talked about the paschool? Have youever heard of a clamshell like that before?
Well, in that case, Ido believe it's described that way from

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time to time. If I'm wrong, they can correct me on that.
But you know, for me,seventies is the best decade. And in
nineteen seventy three, again just ahuge wave, so many cases, so
many important cases. And I noticedeven in you two terror going through the
archives, it seems like the phenomenachhas changed. It seems like there were

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more landings, more beings on theground and working on craft and cases being
fixed. And you know, ofcourse my ranch stuff was from nineteen seventy
five to nineteen seventy eight, Soof course I'm very biased when it comes
to decades, and the seventies forme is my favorite decade to research.
And that's why I'm really excited tolook in in the nineteen seventy three case

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here too today and and and forme because there's so many close encounters and
sketches of these not only craft butet beans. There's so many parallels and
connections that can be made. Imean, how many different species are we
being visited to buy? And especiallyin the Pascagoula case, talk about an
unusual looking et you know, thatwas very unique indeed, So I can't

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wait to talk more about that.So we're gonna catch up with Bob Sparring
for international case next week. Andso I just wanted to ask you,
Tara. You know I heard youguys celebrated your fi's there in Phoenix move
On. Oh, yes, wehad. It's really a great organization to

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be involved with Arizona move On andthe state director every year puts on a
nice dinner for everybody and we allgo out and get to meet everybody and
in one room, you know,usually we're emailing each other or seeing each
other at the meetings. And here'shere's Stacy and Marianne and myself and in

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the center is a state director andmary Anne's also a field investigator and she's
been a guest on our show withUAPPD as well. So really fun,
such a good friend. Yeah,they're they're doing a lot that's picking up,
so it's very cool. But it'sjust really neat to be in the
presence with a whole bunch of peoplethat are interested in the same things you're
doing, and you can ask themquestions if you have, you know,

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cases that are stumping you, orjust get advice or just kind of just
have some fun. So it wasgreat, great mine. And those are
those nights that well really late becauseyou have so many great things to talk
about and I know, I'll moveon. We meet the second Saturday every
month, and we had a specialguest, Margi k come in and she
gave a fantastic talk on both fastwalkers and winged aliens, which was really

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fascinating because I didn't know a lotabout moths man and she talked about these
butterfly people from Oklahoma that we're savingkids out of a tornado. I'd never
heard this before, so it wasa really fascinating I think I have an
image there of marg k talking withus. I'm looking, okay, I'm
getting there, I'm getting there.Here it is there she is. Yeah,

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yeah, the pterodactical type beans andso yeah, and you know,
went out with her after to dinnerand got to know Margie a little bit
and fascinating woman with terrific books.So that was always a great, great
time, a great guest. AndI learned a lot about these winged aliens
in these cryptids, so very fascinatingstuff. Well, you know, she's
she's talking in the sandwich about pterodactylsand that's my you know, my nickname

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pterodactyls. So how did you getthat nickname? Though? I just don't
know. I'm not going to doit well without Shane here and without Bob.
I think, you know, sincewe have so much to talk about,
how about we bring in our guestsa little bit early today without further
ado. Let's do it. Letme read these wonderful bios and then we'll

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be okay on them. Right now. So Phil Mantle is an international UFO
researcher, lecturer and broadcaster. Hisbooks have been published in six different languages
around the world. He is theformer Director of Investigations for the British UFO
Research Association and former Moufon Repper Senativefor England. Philip has written articles and

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features for numerous publications around the worldand has been both editor and assistant editor
of High Street UFO Publications. Heis the founder of Flying disc Press now.
Doctor Irena Scott received her PhD fromthe University of Missouri College of Veterinary
Medicine, did post doctoral research atCornell University, and has had a professorship

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at the Saint Bonaventure University. TheDefense Intelligence Agency the DA employed her in
PhD level GS eleven research in satellitephotography, including in the air Order of
Battle section of its Photographic Interpretation Office, which involved aircraft identification with above top

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secret Sensitive COMPARTMENTAD information clearances. Thatis fascinating, Oh my goodness. He
was employed as a physical scientist photographerin the DMA Aerospoke Center, which is
now the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency,and she worked at Btel Memorial Institute.

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She has been sent for work relatedpurposes to write Patterson Air Force Base and
has been in the secured areas,including the Blue Room. I got to
ask her about this blue room,the blue room in a SIC building.
She was an astronomer at the OhioState University Radio Observatory the Big Year,
and was a correspondent for Popular Mechanicsmagazine. Her publications includes several books several

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It's just like Phil as well andworks in scientific journals, magazines and newspapers.
Her photography has been shown on televisionand in magazine's, books and newspapers.
And she has taken the scientific approachto the UFO phenomenon and published papers
about UFO data and her preer reviewedScientific journal and If Memory Sears mccreg She
played a very important role here inMuffon as well and takes that scientific edge

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which is so important in the field. So please welcome to the show,
Philip Mantle and doctor Irena Scott.Welcome to the show, guys. Yeah,
good evening, good evening. Thankyou for being with us all the
way from the UK. Yes,thank you for reading Irene as a CVO
in full. It really puts mineto shame. We joked about this with

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each other before, so you know, and the funny thing is too I
chopped it down even more so.I mean talk about impressive. I mean
doctor Arena, Oh my goodness,what an impressive background. And you two,
Philip Mantle, I mean you two, You've done so much for the

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field, and you've researched so manydifferent cases. And I know we're really
going to be focusing on your newbook that you collaborated together to work on,
Beyond Reasonable Doubt, the Pascagoula alienabduction, which is again this occurred
in nineteen seventy three. Correct,absolutely, yes, yeah, in seventies.
Great, And I think I hadseen I think it might have been

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a Facebook post that in nineteen seventythree you're coming out or your your your
is it? Kevin Randall did abook on nineteen seventy three, Can Eat
Hell. Yeah. I've done anumber of books back by Kevin, and
he's a new one out on Octoberthe first, and it's simply called nineteen
seventy three the Year of UFO Sighteens, landings and abductions. Because, as

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you mentioned, Junior, your youryour chat there, the nineteen seventies,
in nineteen seventy three especially were werethe decade in the year for all things
high strangeness. It was the completedecade, was and so Kevin knew of
our work on our on our book. So is it's kind of a you

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know, a follow up if youlike. No, it's it's it's it's
fascinating. You know, I've gotthankful I've published it and I've got a
copy year. But it will beout officially on October the first, right
right, everybody put that on therewishes us to this book. Now,
Calvin Parker, you know, unfortunatelywe just recently lost him, but didn't

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he kind of he kind of remainedin the shadows for quite some time and
it wasn't until recently that he startedreally talking about his case. Can you
kind of walk us through, youknow, I'm sure some of our listeners
are really familiar with the Pascagoula case, but others might not be. So
if we can kind of, youknow, just give an overview of the
case and then I mean luck.In nineteen seventy three, Calvin had just

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got engaged to his fiance Waynette,and he lived near a Lodell in Mississippi,
which is a couple of hundred milesfrom Pascagoula, and he was working
several jobs and uh, you know, Waynette, I never see you.
So Calvin's father said, why don'tyou give Charlie a call. Charlie extent
their families had grown up in parallelwith each other. He says, he's

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a farming in the shipyard. Hemight be able to get your job.
So Calvin did. Charlie said,yeah, there's an opening, that there's
a job, no problem. Sothe idea was that Calvin would live with
Charlie and his family Monday to Fridayand then go home on a weekend.
He was getting married in November,so this was Toally the eleventh, nineteen

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seventy three, and it was Calvin'sfirst and only day working in the shipyard.
You know. So we got ajob there as a welder. Everything
went well that day. He wasalmost nineteen years of age, Charlie was
forty two. And on the wayhome, Calvin had got a brand new
car, so he's driving. Andthe one thing that both gentlemen enjoyed,

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of course, was fishing. Theyboth had a love of fishing. So
Charlie says, there'll be a fishingtonight. Yeah, So they got the
gear, you know. They boughtsome baits and Charlie said, I'll show
you where to go. Calvin didn'tknow the area at all, so we
directed him off Highway ninety down bythe Pascagoula River, also known as the

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Singing River. And why is itknown as the Singing River? Does it?
That's another long story. I mean, that's the pier on which they
were were on. It's an oldabandoned peer. You can see the road
bridge going over the river. Andthey passed the no entry sign. They
parked the car. They fished inone spot and got, you know,

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bitten by insects. So they movedto this old abandoned pier and started fishing,
and they were a little noise,and then this blue light came from
behind them. Calvin thought, it'sthe police. We're going to spend the
night in jail for trespassing. Andthen we shouldn't have ignored that no entry

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sign. Both gentlemen turned around atapproximate at the same time, and of
course it wasn't the police. Therewas an object descending the shape of a
rugby ball or a football as youmight call it American football, was overshaping
two lights at one end. Itstopped about two feet above the ground,

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and this light from it was reallyblinding. An opening appeared and out of
which poured more light, and theyhad to shield their eyes from it.
And out of this opening came thesethree beings. Again. They didn't touch
the ground. They literally that's them. They floated across the ground, and

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they were described as being about fivefeet tall, no neck, bulky appearance.
They had pointed protrusions out of theside of the head and one out
of the front. Their arms werea bit longer, and they had either
mitten or pincil like appendages. Thelegs didn't move, they were stuck together
all the time. They were graincolor, and described their skin, if

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that's what it was, as thatlike that of an elephant, you know,
gray and wrinkling. Two got outof Charlie, at which point he
felt like a prick in his forearm. He was paralyzed, but it was
relaxed. One got over Calvin andthey took them into this thing. Charlie
went to the right, Calvin tothe left, and Calvin said they placed

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him on a transparent table. Thiscreature, he just calls these creatures,
the big ugly ones. It stoodin the corner, he said, almost
like a robot, and he feltthis presence from behind him, and another
being appeared, and which was female, almost pretty much like a human female
apart from she had long middle fingers, and she opened Calvin's mouth pupped the

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fingers in. At one point theyremoved his lower clothing and his shoes and
socks, and Calvin said, theystuck something in my foot and it hurt,
and he felt almost as if hisblood was being drained from him and
it was being replaced by something else. And Charlie had had a similar experience

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that these things came out of theceiling and zoomed around them as if taking
pictures or things of that nature.And they were then picked up by these
ugly guys and put back out onthe pier and they watched this thing,
you know, literally fly away.Both guys would extremely traumatized, Calvin more

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than Charlie. Charlie had been inthe army, added four in career,
and had been under fire as well. So they decided we're not going to
tell anybody. Burning mind, calvin'sdueto get married the following month. He
thought, my father in law,we'll never let me marry. You know.
They go to the car. Iremember this is a brand new car.

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As they opened the passenger side,the window is completely shattered and just
falls out. Calvin gets in todrive it. It will not start.
It took them about twenty attempts toget the car started and they finally got
going. And then Charlie had achange of heart. He said, no,
we have to tell somebody. Whatif these things come back, what

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if it's an invasion, what ifthey can you know? So Calvin agreed,
but on one commission, this says, well, I'll say I saw
this thing and I saw these creatures. But he said, I want to
say I passed out at that pointand can't remember anything else because I don't
want to talk about it. Youknow. There was some trapatized. So
they pulled in at a little shopthat had a pay phone, and they

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first phoned me by Keslo Air ForceBase and they just said, we're not
in the UFO business anymore, youknow, ring the police. So they
round the police and they said staythere, we'll send a car out to
get you. So they did senda car out. They gave him a
sobriety test and then they followed theminto town. So they ended up at

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Jackson County Sheriff's department, where theywere interviewed separately at first, and quite
frankly, they weren't believed, youknow. So what the sheriff and his
deputies did. They put Charlie andCalvin in a room together and the deputies
said, I'm just going to getsome coffee, guys, ollive you ollive
your loan. And what they didn'tknow there was a secret tape recorder in

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the desk next to them. Sothe deputy came back a few minutes later
took something out of the drawer.They didn't know what it was, and
they thought, we'll catch him.Now they're going to be laughing and joking,
these two ties guys, you know. But of course when they played
it back, they weren't. Theygot Calvin is crawling up the wall and

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Charlie is amused, I mean totallytotally permused. So now the law enforcement
changed their attitudes towards them. Theytended to think, you know, something's
happened to those two guys. Sothey said, you know, get yourself
off home, and Charlie and Calvinsaid, okay, but please don't tell
anyone. So the sheriff agreed,so they go home. The next morning

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they get up to drive to work, Calvin noticed there's a few extra cars
in the parking lot, and immediatelythey're summoned to the boss's office and he
said, what what have you twobeen up to? You know, we've
got journalists here. Their phone willsnot stop reading. We can't get any
work done. So they tell himand he gives them the assistance off their

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lawyer, you know, company lawyer, if they need it. They have
no idea how the story got out, not a clue. They blamed the
sheriff. He turned up. Hesays, it wasn't me. So they
went to the Singing River Hospital fora checkup. They were fine, apart
from being traumatized and nervous as somebodymentioned radiation. So ironically, they were

(33:19):
then driven to Keyslott Air Force Base, which had turned them away on the
telephone the night before. They werechecked for radiation, which was negative.
But the office is in charge atthe time, so we'll come on in,
gentlemen and tell us what happened toyou. So they did, you
know, and we know what theysaid because Keyslott Air Force Base had the

(33:42):
use of a stenographer, so theywrote every word down and we have in
the book. We have a seventeenpage transcript of that meeting, plus all
the officers names, everybody was there. There's nothing redacted. We also have
the transcript of the secret tape thatwas done in the Sheriff's office, so

(34:06):
this is information. It came inliterally, you know, right at the
time. And whilst Calvin and Charliewere at the Singing River Hospital, Sheriff
Diamond gave an into interview to alocal journalist and we have that interview.
It's you know, and so wetranscribed that as well for the book.
So it's literally the you know,the day after and you know, the

(34:30):
sheriff is in support of these gentlemen. And and to this day we have
no idea how the story got out. It wasn't Charlie or Calvin. The
sheriff has said, it's not me. Calvin thought maybe somebody who had one
of those police scanners perhaps heard it. And what is interesting, we have
been in contact with the police dispatcherand was on duty that night, so

(34:53):
he's the gentleman who took the callfrom Charlie. Instead I took another fifty
plus calls that night of people reportingnew evos and back to the police station.
There were people there in person reportingit as well. So that is
in a nutshell the beginning of thecase. Charlie was able to embrace it.

(35:16):
Calvin wanted nothing to do with it. I mean, it's literally sent
him off his head. So eventuallyhe disappeared off back home, like I
said, was two hundred miles away. Gooded that his future father in law
wasn't going to let him get married. He ended up in hospital one night
with a bit of a breakdown.He did get married, you know,

(35:39):
and you know when that was withhim up until the day he sadly died
in August and me and that wasthe story that we had. This was
Calvin's first book. I located himin twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen because I
got the rights to child Hickson's bookthat he wrote with William Mendez in nineteen

(36:02):
eighty three. I was going torepublish it and I wanted an interview if
I could, with Kelvin. Andyou know, it's a long story,
but eventually it took Calvin. I'dlike to I'd like to leave a legacy
Philip. He'd already been seriously illbefore I contacted him, and I said,
well, what legacy do you wantto leave? It's all I want

(36:23):
to tell my story. Plus it'sthe best way to do it is in
a book because nobody can change it, you know, it's your words.
So we agreed to write the bookon one condition, and that was that
I didn't change a word of it, which I didn't, you know,
And we were up and running,and that's how it all began, right

(36:43):
And then I mean, just reallyquickly, you're clear in the UK,
you know he's here in the States, and doctor Irena Scott, that's probably
did you really work to kind ofbridge that location gap? Absolutely, because
when Calvin stepped out into the publicdomain published his book, other of the

(37:04):
people we either located or then cameforward. And what happened was Calvin did
a little eight minutes special for ourlocal journalist and it was filmed and they
did it as a newspaper feature aswell. The little film at one point
ended up on YouTube and I wasreading the many comments underneath it, and

(37:30):
one of the comments was my motherand father were on the opposite side of
the river that night and they sawthe UFO two. Now, thankfully this
person had used her real name.I managed to locate her on Facebook,
explained who I was, and said, could we speak to your mum and

(37:51):
dad please, such as they'll getback to you. Came back. Yeah,
my mom and dad were you know, Jerry and Maria. Here's the
telephone number I spoke to them.That's that's that's Maria on the left.
Jerry when they were first married,you know, in the in the in
the early seventies. And I startedspeaking to terms. She said they'd seeing

(38:15):
the lights. They'd also seen thiscreature in the water. That's Maria now.
And I briefly spoke to Jerry,but I needed somebody in the States.
I'd already published three of IRENA's books, so I knew of her background,
and so I asked Irena if shewould come on board and assist with

(38:40):
this. I think was Irena thatdid much of the shall we call discussions
with Maria and Jerry. But Irena, do you tell them how how things
progress? From that initial call Imade, Well, this was my very
first interview of anybody, and Ijust I didn't really have any background or

(39:04):
anything. So I called her andshe told about what happened to him.
She was she and her husband werein a car and they were by a
pair which happened to be across fromwhere Charlie and Calvin were, but they

(39:25):
didn't know who they were or anythingthen, and they were there was a
ship at the end of the pair, and they were waiting for a supervisor
to come because they were then goingout and going out to supply some oil
rigs or something. But the supervisorwas late, and so Jerry went to

(39:45):
sleep, and Maria was watching whatwas going on, and she said she
saw this airplane. This was courthree year, I mean some time ago.
She all this airplane, I meanwhen I talked to her, and
she said it was behaving in anodd manner that just kept flying around,

(40:08):
but it wasn't going anyplace. Andshe kept thinking the pilots lost, the
pilots s thirting or something, butwhat's the pilot doing? And then she
and then Jerry decided to take asclose to the ship, and it was
about nine o'clock and he walked downthe pier first, and she was behind

(40:30):
him, and she said, thisthing that looked like a man flopped up
on the pier right in front ofher and then flopped back down the water,
and she couldn't figure it out becausehe didn't come up for air or
anything again, and she thought,we have to come up for air,
and she was really scared, andso they went on down to the boat,

(40:53):
and then she said they came.She came back at twelve o'clock at
night, and she was scared andshe ran to her car. And that
seemed funny too, because you know, they were newly weds, But I
can't figure out what they were doingfor three hours on the boat, But
anyway, newlyweds, I wonder.But anyway, she was very, very

(41:21):
emotional about this thing that flopped upon the pair right in front of her.
And she was really emotional. Andalso I kept wondering about and the
hours of how long it took herto get back there too, And so
I talked to her for about Italked and wrote to her for about two

(41:45):
years, and I could just tellhow emotional she was about this thing that
flopped up, the thing the sire, and we just kept talking about not
getting anywhere because she couldn't figure outwhat was going on. But I could
tell she was really emotional. Aboutit and really scared when she came back.

(42:07):
So then her husband, unfortunately becamevery ill, and just I guess
he didn't have anything to lose aftera while. I mean, he had
been a skeptic up until then.And when I talked to him on the
phonnel, he had said is thathe saw a big splash. I think

(42:29):
it was at the end of thepair, I'm not sure, and some
thought it was a blimp or something. And then he handed the phone to
her real fast, and she saidhe was a skeptic and he didn't think
anything about UFOs or anything, butshe was. And so anyway, then
right before he went for a seriousoperation, he told her that they had

(42:52):
been abducted and he remembered it andthey had been on board, and he
had been on board and just tolda little bit, and then he went
out of a ventilator and couldn't talk, and so she just had to guess.
But she taped that and she hadhim talked to Philip about it.

(43:16):
And so this put a whole newlight on the whole thing, because her
feelings might have been due to thepossible abduction, and then she had been
she began to remember more after that, I spoke well with hypnosis, that
this thing came flopped up and sortof hypnotized her and took things out of

(43:38):
her mind and things that's Maria onthe hypnosis the ladies laid out is Maria
Blair. The ladies sat in actibodiesthe hypnotherapist and literally, as as Irene
said that Jerry made Maria filmy fromthe hospital. He was sat on his

(44:00):
hospital dead the day before his operationand told me what had happened. And
then Maria phoned him on the cellphone as well, just a short clip
which we have because he wasn't sureif he was going to survive the operation.
He did, and as Irene said, it revealed a bit more to
her. And even though he wassuing feel Maria was as mad as hell

(44:22):
with it, you know, becauseshe kept it from her all these years.
When I first spoke to Maria andon she said to me, then,
she says, she said, Ioften wondered if something similar hadn't happened
to us. I said, whyyou say that, Maria? She said,

(44:43):
when I have these these vague recollectionsof something almost like I can I
can make it out out of myperipheral vision, but I can't quite see
it, you know. But shehad little flashes and that's why she was
so emotional about it. There werethose she knew there was something, yeah,
but she couldn't quite grasp it.Sadly, Jerry died and they both

(45:07):
met Calvin beforehand and became friends.And then there's there's Maria and Calvin down
by the river, and she mentionedthe possibility of hypnosis. She knew Calvin
had been on the hypnosis before,and I said Noah the first time because

(45:28):
she was still very upset about losingher husband. She mentioned it again and
I said, okay, let's let'slet's see what we can do. So
I, you know, I wentonline. I looked at a number of
practitioners around the area, told themnothing in particularly, just asking, and
one lady by the name of CrystalSlaughter says, yeah, I can do

(45:51):
regressive hypnosis. And she was alsowilling to come out to you know,
a location. So the hypnosis tookplay last year at Calvin Parker's house because
Calvin could reassure Maria, you know. And we didn't tell the hypnotherapists anything,

(46:12):
I mean, not a thing,just a day to time in a
location, and that was it.She put Maria under hypnosis. We had
it filmed professionally. You saw usstill from the from the film just then
there. So this is in Calvin'shouse. We have a close up camera
and we have a wide angle camera. And again she was very emotional under

(46:37):
the hypnosis, and sometimes it tookher a while to reply, and she
recounted some some of the bits andpieces that Jerry had told her. And
it's got to a stage where shesaid that these creatures were taking her eggs
and they were interested in human DNA, and they wanted to create children that

(47:02):
could walk home on us and wouldn'tbe recognized. Wow. And you should
have seen the look on the hypnotherapist face, you know, because she
had no idea what the subject matterwas at all, you know. And
so again we recorded all this andin the new book there is a full

(47:22):
transcript of the hypnoticed session. It'snot always easy to get the emotion,
but it's all there, and makeof it what you will. Then a
few weeks later we use the samehypnotherapist to put Calvin Parker on the hypnosis.
Calvin had been under before, sohe knew the score. So basically

(47:44):
Calvin wasn't really living the events.He was just telling you what he could
remember. So this just this isa little important point. When I did
this time, I gave the hypnotherapist a couple of questions to ask because
she how new the subject matter,and I said, ask Calvin before anything

(48:05):
happens. He's standing on the pierlooking out across the river with his rod
and line, you know, justdescribe what he can see. So it
does. He says, yeah,I can. I can see that he's
on the end of that pier.I can see the bridge that's there on
the left. You can see thisboat going out to see He even could
tell you that the company name thatwas on the side of this boat.

(48:29):
And right at the end of thishe answered to this little question. He
says, oh, I see twofigures on the other side of the river,
those two figures mister and missus Blair. Perhaps he's too fat see them
or is it someone else? Wereally don't know. And then, you

(48:50):
know, so we posed that questionin the book. Were just and again
Calvin's full transcript of the Hypnotis isin the new book. Sorry, somebody
was trying to ask us a question. No, that's that was part of
the question. And I was wonderingif if they if she described the creatures
or the beings. She finds itdifficult because she's so emotional. But they

(49:12):
were similar, if not the same, as as encountered by Charlie and Calvin.
And there was Irene Will confirmed thiswasn't didn't. Didn't mister Blair have
a problem with one of them inparticular Irena. Yeah, when he said
that he kept his eye on whenthey swam back towards the other paired worrek

(49:39):
Calvin and Charlie were and he saidhe was keeping his eye and he pointed
to his eye on the one,and he called the one a doctor.
And she thought that maybe this doctorthing had done something to him that,
you know, she said, maybehe was too physical with him or something.

(50:00):
He had done something to him thatmade him real nervous about him,
and he paid attention to that onein particularly. Maria is of the opinion,
and he says it's his only opinionthat this encounter was meant for them
that night and not charleing Calvin.That Charleing Calvin were like collateral damage,

(50:22):
so to speak, because remember theyonly decided to go fishing whilst driving home
from work that night, just toshow you Calvin's outlook and sense of humor.
He said, Philip I got hired, fired and abducted on the same
day trifectory. But with Maria andJerry, their their departure on the on

(50:50):
the boats was pre planned. Itwas just late they were, you know
there its supervisor was late, butthe actual date, time and location was
already pre planned. It's just theway Maria, I mean, I tries
to get to grasp for the thingsright. It's fascinated to me. I
mean Maria mentioned or you had mentionedthat, she said that, you know,

(51:15):
one of these beans went into thewater and she's like panicking because it
needs to come up for air.So to me, that would be so
you would be completely panicked. Imean, is somebody drowning? Do you
jump in? And then and thenthe fact is it Jerry, her husband,
he kind of denied, And youknow, I'm a skeptic. You

(51:36):
hear that time and time again fromyou know, abductees in contact. What
it is really interesting that first littlepost on YouTube that we saw was from
their youngest daughter A little bit Imissed. She said, my mother and
father saw what on the other sideof the river that night, and they
too saw the UFO. Then added, but they were not abducted, so

(52:01):
they haven't even told her daughter,or she has two daughters. They were
totally unaware of it until mister Blairdecided to almost provide us with a deathbed
confession, you know, and it'sclearly didn't like talking about it, but
he said the reason he kept itfrom Maria and he was just trying to

(52:23):
protect her, you know, andshe understood that, but on the other
and she was still as mad ashell with him, you know, for
not telling her. So no,everything, that's an important factor. These
are people who are not out tryingto you know, make a living with
their story or trying to. Imean, they obviously had an encounter and

(52:45):
experience that they never forgot about.They were traumatized by it and possibly you
know, had blocks about you know, talking about it. And we hear
this time and time again. Ifind that really fascinating was Journey started talking
and Maria could make more sense outof those little little clips and bits and
pieces that she could remember and whento her in like a dream. Stay

(53:08):
no, she could remember it,but it s what she said it.
When it turned out when she wasunder hypnosis, it wasn't in a peripheral
vision. She had her eyes closedand she squeezed her eyes open a little
bit, and that's what she wasseeing. You know, she still had
her you know, she was squintingbasically, but she could make things out

(53:30):
enough. And we've had people alreadycome forward and say, oh, these
two people were just looking for theirfifteen minutes of fame. No they didn't.
They didn't come forward. It wasjust a little comment made on YouTube
that I happened to read, andthat was by their daughter. Had had
I not read it, had theirdaughter not posted it, we would probably

(53:52):
never have found found out about themwhatsoever. Arena. And she didn't have
an idea, I mean, maybesome vague idea like he said, of
being abducted or anything like that.She just had a lot of feelings about
the thing that flopped out of thewater and being terrified. But you know,

(54:13):
I talked to her a long time, you know, thinking there might
have been an abduction here, andshe didn't have a remember recall of that
at all at that time. Forabout two years, other than just some
vague feeling, right, So thereyou go. They didn't they didn't step
out, you know, into intothe lime light. That we we located

(54:35):
them, and that's how that's howI Rene and I started working together.
We were as sister at one pointby a gentleman called Douglas Wilson. Very
well Douglas is in the book,including a photograph him. A very handsome
man with the beard if I remembercorrectly, and we've been you know,
we were were ever so thankful.So again, you know, when when

(54:58):
we spoke to other witnesses, israther than I have a strange sounding fellow
from across the Atlantic calling at differenttimes, I cannomic at the time zone,
right, you know, it wasmuch better that we had a lady
from from the United States ringing atthe correct time, and it just seemed
to work. That's that's it.Yeah, No, Doug, Doug Wilson

(55:20):
was the Colorado state director before hehanded over the reins to MOA. He
was just he is a wonderful mentorand a wonderful guy and yes, very
divin here. If you again,please please tell him a big thank you
from me. Yeah. He showedup a couple of months ago at a
meeting. I was so happy tosee him, so I'll definitely say hello

(55:44):
to him for you. We onlyhave about a minute before break and before
we go to break, and there'sso much to unpack here. I really
after break and we're gonna play mynew game and eating on Earth with an
extraterrestrial. But after that, Iwant to get into talking about you know,
we know I always called him theMichelin Man. He looks like the
michelin Man me with the tires,the ugly ones. But I want to

(56:07):
delve into this other female a littlebit more and learn about more about this
female character because I don't know alot about that. If I want to
mention too before we go to break. You both have wonderful websites. Doctor
Irena Scott has a great website whereyou can find so many of her books
and information as well as Philip Mantle. So I hope you guys can go
and check out their website. Thereis Irena Scott dot com and so many

(56:30):
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we're on a short little delay fromtime to time. You know it's Fredrick
grade. Are we out of thatyet? Anyway, we are back.
Welcome back to the show, everybody. I want to start just a little
fun thing. I started an eveningon Earth with an extraterrestrial. We're gonna
start with doctor Irena Scott on this, so we're gonna pretend extra extraterrestrial comes

(01:00:50):
down on Earth. Could have beenthe ugly guys. I don't know whichever
species of alien you want to pick. But first of all, where on
Earth would you want to have thisevening with an extraterrestrial? One place on
the planet you'd like to visit?Well, I'd like to have a whole
lot of witnesses, so like timessquare might be good. Oh, good
answer. That's a great answer,time square. And what food would you

(01:01:15):
like this extraterrestrial to try? Blueberries? I don't know, blueberry pancakes.
I hear extraterrestrials love blueberry pancakes,or at least pancakes are interesting pancakes pieces
out there? Okay? In asong or music, what would you have
played? Oh, maybe something byBeethoven, like oh de joy or something.

(01:01:37):
Oh all right, that's and you'regoing to recommend a film he wants
to see a film while he's visitingEarth? What film contact? One of
my favorites, Foster. All right, good answer. And the one question
you would ask an extraterrestrial, whatwould that be? Well, to explain
everything the universe to me, likelike in the movie Paul where he does

(01:02:01):
the download WHOA, then you canwhat you need that, just explain the
I love it. And Phil,where on Earth would you meet your extraterrestrial?
Yeah, I'm checked him back towhere I was born and raised some
what small mining village and still remainssmall to this day. And I'd ask,

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you know, in return, whatwas it like where you will born?
Anything remont be similar? Account imaginethey would be, But you never
know, You never know, younever know. I've read some old books
that they're kind of fun to read, these really old publications from like the
late forties, early fifties, andthey describe like some very earthlike living rooms

(01:02:45):
with photographs, and I'm just like, huh, maybe they do live like
us. So, So what foodwould you like to serve your extraterrestrial food
for extraterrestrial. Well, you know, my favorite is that tradition in the

(01:03:06):
UK against fish and chips. Can'tbeat it. I cannot, so sorry.
I've tried them in America and they'renot the same. I am dreadfully
sorry. And again i'd say,what you know, what he finds me
buying yourself, you know, havea taste of these. You're absolutely correct.
I've been to London once and thatwas I made sure I got the
fish and chips. There's nothing likeit. And if you serve an extra

(01:03:30):
terrestrial fish and chips, they're goingto visit often because it is what music
and what film music will be.My favorite rock band, which is English
band called Status Quo. Sadly theynever made it, you know, in
bigging in the States, so youdon't know what you're missing. And I'd
ask I'd asked the et do youhave music where you come from? You

(01:03:51):
know, maybe you don't. Andmy favorite film is ben Her and again
do they have entertainment and movies whereit comes from? Those are all excellent
questions and excellent choices. Yeah,I often wonder that too, you know,
do do they have entertainment? Dothey have music? And sense it's

(01:04:13):
a humors. You know, Ithink humans are very unique in that in
that regard, we're so creative andtalented. I wonder if they are too,
you know, Yeah, these uglyones maybe not so much. But
maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they're reallygreat on the saxophone. I don't know.
They don't have mouths. What kindof instruments are they playing? Oh

(01:04:34):
my goodness, great answers guys.So so I, you know, talk
about the ugly ones and not alot, or at least for me,
I don't know a lot about thisfemale. Can you talk about what Calvin
says about this female extraterrestrial, howshe would describe what her role perhaps was

(01:04:56):
these kind of things. Yeah,I mean lying on this transparent table or
bed and whatever you want to callit, at a certain angle, and
this big ugly thing was kind ofstood to attention away in the corner,
not moving. And that's said.At first he felt this presence from behind
him. He ate a little noise, and he for whatever reason, female

(01:05:21):
presence, and of course this creatureappeared. She was looked pretty much like
you know, a human female,apart from the middle fingers. They were
exceptionally long. So she pressed hischin down to open his mouth, because
Calvin is paralyzed at this point,can only move his eyes, and she

(01:05:44):
puts this finger up inside him,up into his nasal cavity, and then
it hurt. So it wasn't bestpleased because Calvin, you know, in
his family, he was the onewith the muscle. You know, he
didn't start a lot of fights,but he certainly knew how to finished them
if he did. He was astrong guy. Well, this is what

(01:06:06):
happened. He's lying there helpless atthis time, it's paralyzed, and as
I said, they removed his clothingand stubbed something in his foot, and
then at one point he's getting hisclothes back on and the paralysis is gone
for an instant, and he gotthis female around the head and literally banged

(01:06:29):
her head against the wall, andshe made some kind of motion to the
ugly creature which got older Kelvin.He was paralyzed again and then was taken
back out onto the pier and depositedthere. What we don't cover in this
books. This book only deals withthe events in nineteen seventy three. He's
that in nineteen ninety three Calvin wentout fishing again. This time on a

(01:06:53):
little boat on his own, andhe said he was only going for a
couple of hours, so he justtook a bottle of water and a sound
we seek and again caught in along story short, he had another encounter.
He ended up speaking to a friendof it who knew a little bit
about the subject, and he says, do you know, Bod Hopkins,

(01:07:16):
he's speaking at a UFO convention inFlorida this weekend. I think you ought
to speak to him. So theyliterally got in the car. They drove
the twelve hours to Florida unannounced,and the convention was in a hotel.
Calvin wouldn't go in, he saidhis friend. His friend found Bod explained
what was the situation. So Budsays, he is my hotel key.

(01:07:41):
I'll meet you in my room andyou know, in an hour or two
hours whatever. He did, andhe actually put Calvin under hypnosis and he
talked all about this nineteen ninety threeencounter. Calvin this time said, I
mean he got really mad, reallymad. He said, I've had enough

(01:08:01):
of this. He says, ifthere's a door on this thing, I'm
going out of it. And she'sand she's coming with me to manage to
somehow get looks of this paralysis andgrab hold of this this female and then
try and beat the living daylights outof her. Wow, but what was
interesting under the hypnosis, Bud said, And he let us see this this

(01:08:30):
woman before seen her at any othertime, any other place. And Calvin
recounted two incidents when he was ayoung man, and the common denominated amongst
all these four encounters was this female. She was She was in all four
of them. So maybe the encounterwas meant for partner. Yeah, maybe,

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And I won't I won't use thewords that he called her. But
they weren't very they weren't they werevery polite. And but what is curious
as well, he said that atone point she looked as if she was
wearing some kind of mask and enduringthe first the encounter in nineteen seventy three,

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she showed Calvin images. He callsthis a curse, and he did
not like talking about it. Hedidn't talk tell me for quite a while.
He said, I saw images ofour past, present, and future,
and specifically the images of the future. He said it was a curse.

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He said, we're going to beravaged by you know war, you
know, man against man and disasterand so on, and that, I
mean, the whole thing disturbed Calvin. That disturbed him even more and he
didn't like talking about it. Hecalled it a curse. He called it
a curse. And of course wefound out that Bod Hopkins archives were now

(01:10:06):
held by doctor David Jacobs. Spothas since passed away. Contacted, doctor
Jacobs only gave us the tape ofthe hypnosis session, so we have it
all. And then we found outthat Charlie Hickson had been regressed by Bod
Hopkins twice in the nineteen eighties,one in nineteen eighty five and once in

(01:10:28):
nineteen eighty nine. And again wegot the transcripts that we've got the tech
copies of the tapes and transcribed them. And believe it or not, Charlie
had a couple of encounters when hewas a young fellow as well. Calvin
wasn't involved. Calvin wasn't there,and Charlie became what we'd probably call a
contact tea after the events in nineteenseventy three, he got messages. He

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thought something fantastic was going to happenon Earth, and of course it didn't.
But normally. You know, hewas the torch bearer for the case,
and he died in twenty eleven,and Calvin remained hidden pretty much until
twenty eighteen. Wow. So dowe know if either kel you know,

(01:11:16):
Kelvin or Charles had family histories?I mean, if they were both contacted
earlier, did they have family membersthat were also contacted? Well, I
think I can't. I think itwas. I'm not sure if it was.
Charlie said that, you know,one of his part I think it
was. His mum mentioned something,but nothing in any great detail. What

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did happen though, a few yearsafter the nineteen seventy three they were coming
back from visiting his mother in lawin the car, so the whole family
were there, and then had anotherUFO sighting and Charlie wanted to pull the
car over and get out because hethought, here again I'm going to go

(01:12:01):
meet him again. But his familywouldn't allow it, wouldn't let him get
out of the car. And whatis interesting for our book I read it
this is not me, but sheinterviewed Eddie Hickson, who's who's Charlie's son.
Remember some of the things that Eddietold you, Irena yeah. Well,
one thing he emphasized was that Charliewasn't trying to make money, and

(01:12:27):
he emphasized that over and over thatCharlie didn't want to give the impression in
making money because he wanted people tobelieve what he said, right. And
I asked him what Charlie thought aboutUFOs before all this happened. He said
once when he was a kid,he asked his father and his father said
it was nothing to it. Sohe wasn't like a believer or anything when

(01:12:50):
it has happened, and he seemedreal sincere Eddie really liked his father and
he was in the army when ithappened, and then I think he heard
about it. No, yeah,but I think I think Eddie was in
the Marines. Was it was inIrene, it was a marine, and

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he heard about it. He heardabout it indirectly, and then I thought
it spotted. But he was veryadamant that his father wasn't making money,
and his father wanted to say thatbecause it actually happened and he was telling
the truth. And one other thingyou asked about the family, Well,

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I think I could be wrong.I think Calvin's father worked in area fifty
one once. Yes he did,yeah, yeah, he did connection there,
Yeah he was. I think itwas in construction there were they were
building something that he was involved.I think. I think Eddie also said
that his mother was more afraid thanCharlie because she thought, what if they

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come back for him, you know, if this happens again, and she
was said she was forever sort oflooking over her shoulder. So you know,
whilst whilst Charlie and Calvin were traumatized, it also affected their family as
well. And I don't know,I like for Calvin. I don't know
if anyone remembers the nineteen eighties seriesof The Hulk Dr David Banner, you

(01:14:23):
know, yeah, and they arehunted by a journalist and every time the
journalist gets near the pack upon movedto the next town and so on.
Calvin did that in real life literallywhen they got married. He spent a
year in the Royal Marines himself.And again he doesn't talk about that a

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lot, because a journalist caught upwith him and he went to see his
commanding officer and said, well,perhaps it's better if he leaves. So
so you know, he got,you know, a nice discharge, but
It made him angry, and heliterally went from one town to the next
with his wife and then their theirfamily. There was a point where he

(01:15:08):
even used a false name, andhis boss called him into the office one
day and it says you fired.He said, what fall? He said,
what, your name doesn't match.She's also secured him, you know,
he lied on his application. Hewas a false name. And how
it all came about before I,Just before I contacted Calvin, him and

(01:15:31):
his wife had been to a funeralof a friend and I was the comment
out of the place. They signeda book of condolence. So Calvin wrote,
Calvin Parker, and the people behindhim when they saw his name,
they're doing the wink wink, nudgenudge, you know. And Calvin didn't
like that because it was disrespectful tohis dead friend and his wife. Waynette

(01:15:56):
said, well, why don't youwrite your store down to everybody knows what
it is. Even then she didn'tknow the full story. He hadn't told
her the full story. So hesays, yes, darling, I'll write
I'll write a book, darling,you know. And then, of course,
a couple of weeks later, that'sa strange sounding fellow from across the
Atlantic on the phone to him,and he pretty much did the same to

(01:16:18):
me. He was very polite,you know, but he didn't tell me
an awful lot, and all theywanted was an interview. And then I
called him again and he says,well, Philip, I've been thinking about
writing my own book. So Isent him a contract and that's it.
That was the first one. AndI said, look, you know,

(01:16:42):
if you want to leave a legacy, write it down. Nobody can change
it. Then. So we agreedand the rest was history. Yeah,
he wished he'd done it sooner,because back in nineteen seventy three there are
all of people made accusations against Annieand Calvin or they made fun of them.

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Was phil Class one of those peopleI know back in the seventies of
Travis Walton, you know he hadto fight phil Class in that and yeah,
it was a different time back then. People really, I mean,
it really could affect negative ways.I'll give it a story about Philip Class.
Charlie Hickson was doing a TV showsomewhere and he asked Calvin to come

(01:17:28):
along, not to go on,just to meet him. Yeah, I
can't remember where the location was,so Calvin said, okay, I'm seeing
you in a long time, Charlie. So he turned up and Calvin said
it was supposed to being on televisionwith some kind of scientists. When he
got there, this scientist had refusedto go on the television show with Calvin,

(01:17:50):
and this had all been arranged bya journalist. This journalist said,
you know, come on guys,look, I'll take you over the road
for some dinner. Calvin, he'stotally been mere was. He had no
idea who this fella is. Hedoesn't know what the problem is. So
they go across the road to arreston sit down. By this time,
Charlie and this scientist and even lookingat each other. But it wasn't as

(01:18:12):
scientist as such. It was PhilipClass. So they sat down at dinner
and this this journalist, I don'tknow who it was. He said to
Philip Class, why would you notgo on television with Charlie Hickson And he
says, because he's a liar.So Calvin said, well, you're calling

(01:18:32):
him a liar. You're calling himme a liar. And Calvin made it
quite plain to mister Class if hecalled him a liar again that he might
regret it. How can I putit in a physical nature because Calvin said,
I don't care if anybody doesn't believeme, yeah, but if anybody

(01:18:54):
calls men. So they got thrownout of the restaurant after that, and
Calvin said, we went home thatnight without any dinner. But what we
did again in our research for myselfand Irena, I found Philip Class's whole
file on the pastor. It's onehundred and sixties on pages long. We

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published in another book an unpublished threepage article by Folic Class about the Pastor
Gula case. And in this filethere is no research whatsoever. All he's
trying to do is to try andfind some dirt that it can throw at
Charlie or Calvin, mainly Charlie becauseCalvin wasn't it couldn't contact him, and

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of course he couldn't find any youknow, he couldn't find any whatsoever.
And it was desperate at times,you know. And so we published that
article and on Calvin Calvin as awebsite. You know, it's just Calvin
slash Parker dot com. The hopefullyplus file he's on that website. Is

(01:20:03):
it on there? Oh? Interesting? You don't have to believe me,
that can go and read it forthemselves. Call and but Calvin left mister
clus in no doubt, what wouldhappen if he called him Alayat again?
You know, somebody not to putthat guy in his place, because that's
that's what he was a pro at. He just looked for things to try

(01:20:26):
and shoot stories down or discredit people, even Travis Walton. And and what's
interesting looking back at some of youknow, his his reports or what he
spewed out there to the world,some of the things that he used to
take people down, actually, nowthat we know more about the phenomenon,

(01:20:46):
actually adds credit to their cases.And it's almost like a positive thing,
not a negative. So yeah,that's really would say something that oh,
he acted like he was a scientist, and he wasn't a scientist as all.
He was a writer, but hewould always say, well, this
is a scientific opinion, and likehe had all facts behind him and everything.

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I was with Jenny Zeidman once ona radio show here and she got
attacked by Phil class on the coinhelicopter case, which happened right here,
and he came up with a lotof things and doctor Heinik said, well,
this is wrong. It can't dothat, and it can't do this,

(01:21:35):
and so on, like phil Classsaid, this was just a meteor.
Well, whatever happened, the helicopterrose a whole lot of feet in
the air when it was about theChrist when the thing went over, and
there was a green light in it, and everything else that wouldn't be caused
by a meteor, and a lotof things that he just didn't. He

(01:21:59):
just went for any explanation that soundlike it would convince people that were wasn't
true or scientific or anything else.H Well, I mean, you know,
with the pastor Ghoula case, Imean, mister and Missus Blair weren't
the only witnesses. Of course,there was a gentleman right back in nineteen
seventy three called Jerry Booth went home, and we have some old archived film

(01:22:23):
of mister Booth saying, you know, stepped outside one night and then this
thing. You know. But oneof the criticisms was that, you know,
there is the road bridge, andwe saw on that photograph nobody on
the road bridge has come forth.Well they did. The chuck called mister
Rusty Anderson, Charles Rusty Anderson,and he said he was driving over the

(01:22:45):
bridge that night with his wife cominghome from some function, and he saw
this thing down below it, whichof course is the general area where Charlie
and Kelvin were. He says itwas whitish blue. He called it an
aircraft. He didn't that was theonly frame of reference he knew. And
he said it was so low hethought it was going to crash. I
don't know if it was the nextthe next day or the day after.

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He went to visit a relative orlooked down by the river and then said,
you never guess what I saw theother night, And he said,
oh, yes, I will.Now. Another gentleman, Calvin, was
having a book signing in Pascagoula,and he sat down with his wife Wayne,
and this gentleman came up and tobuy a book. Mister Parker,
I plead sign it, and hesaid, oh, by the way,

(01:23:30):
I saw the UFO that night andit walked away. Luckily for us,
somebody was taking photographs, so wehad a photo of this gentleman buying the
book, so we put it onsocial media. We were contacted and they
said, well I know that isI said, well, you could you
ask him if he'll speak to us. They came back, Yes, it

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will. His name was mister LouisLee. That night, mister Lee was
working in the shipyard on the otherside of the river. She was a
crane operator. And he said,Philip, I got in my cab just
about ten feet off the ground,and he says, soon I got in
it, he could see this damnthing out across the river. So I've

(01:24:16):
never seen anything like it, youknow. And he watched it for a
good while, and it only originallytook his eyes off it because there's a
colleague down below shouting iron. Youknow, look what you're doing, and
I want to turn back here.And so I said, you know,
to mister Leader, did you tellanybody about this? He said what I

(01:24:39):
told my family. And I said, did you report it? He said,
well, Philip, this is nineteenseventy three. There is no Ghostbusters
to go in nineteen sate. Sowe interviewed him, Irenas spoken to him.
The testimony of both those gentlemen arein the Sally. Mister Less passed

(01:25:01):
away, so we have a littlehard respect to him in the book.
But what was interesting as well,mister Anderson, Arena and I have been
involved in making a new documentary witha British production company that should be out
this year, and they were inthe States last year filming and they interviewed
mister Anderson amongst many others. Sowe put a little post on his Facebook

(01:25:25):
page, so I've been interviewed,and then one of the comments underneath it
was a lady saying, oh,I saw the UFO that night. So
I contacted her. She's called Pamelareally Eves, and she told me she
was putting the children to bed thatnight and she went to close the curtains.
It looks out over the river andshe saw this blue thing in the

(01:25:46):
distance, only a brief siting.What was interesting that she and rusty mister
Anderson are actually cousins. Interesting inthe world. I can tell you know
of each other's sighting until he putthe post about being interviewed. That's that's
amazing. You are making me reconsiderreading people's comments because I've always been one

(01:26:12):
to never look at comments because idon't want to see any negativity. I
don't want to allow into my intomy world like nothing. But you wouldn't
have found these people if you didn'tneed it. I get a television show
here a couple of weeks back.It's called The Unexplained with Howard Us.
That's been put on YouTube. ButI think I look just before joining you

(01:26:35):
ladies tonight, and I think theyhad had over three hundred thousand views of
it, and there is a longlist of comments. And I thought,
well, I know what I'm goingto be doing tomorrow, you know,
in some reading. But that's howwe've monished to find people. You know,
a lot of people haven't stepped forward. They might make a brief comment

(01:26:57):
somewhere. And then I have thisterrier, this Ohio terrier across the Atlantic.
She's called doctor and Irene and Scott. Remember here's the details, you
know, please speak to them.And I don't think, I don't think
hardly anybody has turned us down.And I read how many people have you
interviewed for our new book? Oh, I've here you probably thirty or more.

(01:27:23):
Wow, And we have a takesthat's amazing to me. We have
forty witnesses in the book. Wehave forty. I can't wait to see
it. Well, you know,and what is also fascinating, and it's
it's kind of topical at the moment. Just a few weeks later. I
think it was November the sixth,nineteen seventy three, in the same stretch

(01:27:46):
of water on the Pasca gol andHer just a little bit further out,
with the waters a little bit deeper. There were three little boats three little
skiffs when out fishing, and theyuse nets and they saw something under the
water circular. It was illuminated andit was in sections, and they said

(01:28:11):
it looked like one of the oldSecond World War parachutes when you view it
from the top of it was segmented. They got up close to it and
they were able to hit it withan oar. It went clunk, really
is, and they played cat andmouse around the river with it. Eventually
they went to the Coastguard station inperson and reported it, and the Coastguard

(01:28:33):
sent a boat out. They sawit and they hit it with an oar
and it also went clunk. Nowin the book we have the full story
of this. We've located the coastGuard report on this, which is all
there. Ever, again everybody namedit says in that report this object remained

(01:28:54):
unidentified. A guy from the Navycame out the next day and they,
luckily for us, they put allthe witnesses on the keyside and took a
photograph of them. On the backof the photograph is all their names.
And so we got that photograph froma colleague. Somebody said to us,

(01:29:14):
you know Sto's got a picture ofthese people. Philip No contacted them.
Yeah, here you go. Soagain we social media. Within no time
at all, a lady of contactedus, and all of those people who
now passed away apart from one.That one was a family member and it
was mister Ryan. Was it EarlRyan? Irena got the details, contacted

(01:29:40):
him and Irena interviewed. And whatdid mister Ryan have to say, Arena?
Well, he was I think hewas sixteen years old and and he
was out with his father and theysaw this thing that was roundish and in
the water, and am I own? Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry,

(01:30:04):
I don't know what's happening here.Well, it's showing the video. Hold
on, you have a ghost,a ghost in the machine. There we
go, Okay, ghost is gone, thank you tell me. He was
with his father and they saw thisthing that was round, and he thought

(01:30:25):
the light was coming from underneath it, and his father hit it. I
wondered how his father could hit witha or and they said he did,
but he said his father had thisreal long oar and clunk it just my
clunk. It makes me wonder whenyou hear that. So you hear the

(01:30:46):
testimony of the being in the water, you hear the testimony of a craft
underwater, it makes you wonder,perhaps is there caverns or tunnels, or
has anybody explored or dived into thisarea? Are they perhaps living under there
in coming up instead of coming fromsomewhere else. It is going on speculate

(01:31:09):
what Irene and I decided to dobecause we were just investigating this case.
There was no thought of a bookor anything. But it came to the
stage where we have so much informationthat there were you know, we've written
articles about it, but it wasthe only way to pass that information,
almost to put it all in abook. And of course we didn't have

(01:31:31):
a title for it, better workingtitle. And then I watched the Courtroom
drama one night and it said,oh, you've got to prove it beyond
reasonable doubts. So I emailed Ireneand I said, well, how about
this for a title for the book? And bingo, because we say at
the end of the book we areconvinced if we took all these witnesses and

(01:31:51):
all this information into a courtroom,we could prove beyond reasonable doubt that something
extraordinary happened that night. I couldn'tprove the abducted by aliens, but something
totally out of the ordinary. Andas I've mentioned to others, I've been
interviewed, as Irena has for thisnew documentary. My my last comments.

(01:32:15):
On my interview, they asked mewhat I thought of that night, and
I said, Charlie Hickson Calvin Parkerwere two ordinary men who won that night
of October the eleventh, nineteen seventythree, encountered the extraordinary left it there,
you know. And you know,Calvin toyed with the idea what these

(01:32:36):
things were, and he said itwas aliens, you know, on occasion.
But you know, he didn't reallyhave a clue. He just wanted
to know, and you know,we all want to know, right But
again, we've we've been acute,We've been I've heard others say, well,
this this incident in the water happenedthree weeks later, it's got no

(01:32:59):
relevance to case. I said,well, I'm afraid it does, because
it's in the same stretch of water. You know why why? But again
when we put it all in thebook, even with the documents that we
have, there is a handwritten letterby by one of the coach Guard crew
detail. He actually wrote to LeonardStringfield crash retrieval researcher again it was no

(01:33:25):
longer with us, and that isthe letter. And you know, the
girl said, this guy came fromthe Navy next day, check us out
and the show was where it happened. He thought it was dumb because there's
nothing there now, it's just abatch of water. And I did read
in a number of places that theNavy was supposed to write a report about

(01:33:46):
this, but if they did,we've never been able to find it.
And I have submitted letters to theNavy and the coach Guard so on what
is what is frustrating in these documentsit does mention that there was a type
of the interview with the eyewitnesses.Of course, all of them apart from
mister Ryan. I now dco greatshape, don't you know it? You

(01:34:11):
know? But as yet that's notturned Nope, Jim, well, Philip,
I'm starting a rep I this arethe time is going by so quickly,
So I'm just gonna shift gears justslightly. And you're talking about this
craft underwater, and recently you havethe tic TACs where when you came down

(01:34:31):
and there was that craft underwater,and and doctor Scott, I'm wondering if
you can talk about this. Youhave such an extensive background, and I
know you know a lot about drones, and we had saw some images of
the Case of the Week about drones, and I'm wondering if you can talk
about these crafts or what is yourtaken. Are some of these drones,

(01:34:53):
are some of them ours? Ordo we just not know? Well,
I think they can't explain a lotof it. Like the tic Tac object,
Uh could accelerate and then just stop, and that in such a way
that the gravity would just smash aperson or even the equipment. And then

(01:35:14):
it also appeared to be able togo under water and didn't bother that.
I mean, you know, ifan airplane went in the water, it
would crash. But the man Italked to about the submarine object, he
said that the two, well,the two might be tied together because for

(01:35:35):
one thing, they took place inthe same time and area. He said
he was about a you know,a mile apart or something, and these
the Blair family saw this thing comeout of water and saw these things swimming
across. And then the post guardmade a real good investigation and took it

(01:36:04):
seriously. And that's what's happening withthe tic TAC. I mean, the
Air Force seems to not have anythingto do with it much, but the
the Navy was who investigated, waswho did a lot of the investigation for
that, like the nemos and thePrince and that the tape and everything else.

(01:36:28):
A lot some of that was fromthe Dia, but some of it
was from the Prince and the pastgarden. The Navy seemed to take it
more seriously in both cases than theAir Force did. He interested as well,
ladies, after told you this beforeI forget in the book, we
have another witness who was working inthe shipyard during the daytime. I can't

(01:36:53):
remember his name off found, buthe said, Philip, when when you're
working on the ship, you knowon the river, you really high up
and you've got a great vantage pointyou can skip. He witnessed the formation
of objects under the water come fromout of the gulf down the river and
then he saw them later actually comeback and go out, and he said,

(01:37:15):
these weren't poor poises or anything else. I don't want a poor pois.
These went underneath the poor poises,up and out like this, you
know, And we've unmasked all kindsof things that are too. Two young
people at the time would say becausethe earlier where this incident happened, they
had this long, tall grass whichis five or six feet tall. One

(01:37:41):
young man they're both called cold Well, but they're not related. One young
man said, we saw it onthe news on the Friday. On Saturday
morning, his mom and dad usedto have us a lie in bed and
he was allowed to get up watchcartoons on the TV. He was about
eleven years old at the time.So he's got the cartoons on and his

(01:38:03):
mom and dadd are asleep. Hegets on his bicycle and goes out to
this location with his pals and they'vepushed their way through this long grass and
he said, they've come across thishuge part of it that's just gone.
Oh it's not flattened, it's notsquashed, it is completely gone and there's
no sign of it where it's goneto. There's no debris anywhere and other

(01:38:26):
gentlemen said he was driving over thebridge. I think he was in a
car. He was about fourteen,and he said he looked down and he
could see this impression was it wasthe impression circular? Absolutely, yes,
interesting and again we just put theand mister Caldwell, that was the younger
one. He went back to thelocation and had his photograph taken in front

(01:38:50):
of this tall grass which is stillthere, of course, still grows in
the area, and it's way abovehis head. And of course there are
pictures of him. You know inthe book. Allie's been interviewed, I
believe, for the for the documentary. So there's all kinds of evidence we
will call it that you can useto reach your own conclusion in the book.

(01:39:13):
Right. So that's why I haveto interrupt because I'll suddenly remember another
another part of it. So Ido apologize. I mean, this case
just has so many factors to it. I mean you're talking, weren't there
scratch marks too, because we hadthe little puncture wounds on the foot and
Carl Tickson then had the scratches therewas at Kelvin. That's okay happening.

(01:39:39):
We have Yeah, ter, Yeah, there's the scratches. So what happened
was Calvin's writing the book, andI said, have you got any photos
or documents. It's got nothing.We lost everything in Hurricane Katrina. And
now that's Calvin right there. Letme explain. So I set off trying
to find things, and of coursedoctor Heinich was involved with this case.

(01:40:02):
So I contacted the Center for UFOStudies. They sent me a file PDA
file. In the middle of thisfile is a one page typewritten document entitled
Puncture Ones and it tells of Charlieand Calvin being stripped down to their underwear.
This is two days after the event, and that Charlie had punctures on

(01:40:24):
his forearm and Calvin in his foot, and it said there were photographs as
well. Well. There was nophotographs in this file, so the document
was great. A good while later, the same gentleman sent me an email
said, Philip, I've been rootingthrough some files today and I came across
these. I'm sure you've already gotthem, but I thought I better send

(01:40:45):
them anyway. And of course itwas the photographs that were mentioned in this
document. And we know who isIo because you can't see that because again
both sides of the photographs are scammed, and it's got their names on the
back. And of course what yousee is the puncture wounds in Charlie's forearm
and in Calvin's foot. Remember Charliesaid when these beings got old of him,

(01:41:06):
he got this prick in his arm. Calvin, while laying on this
table, said they stuck something inmy foot and it hurts. So we
have the witness testimony, we havethis document, we have these photographs.
So I asked Calvin, I said, look what it checked you over?
He said it was doctor James Harder. He came down at the same time

(01:41:28):
as doctor Heineck. Wasn't a medicaldoctor, but he gave him the word
it once over and you know,preserved the evidence. These are only minor
injuries, but nonetheless they are significantand it shows a physical element to the
encounter that night. And again allof this is in the book. The
photographs have never been published before,so they're published in our book for the

(01:41:50):
first time. And we've got acouple of tests that you know, medical
people comment on them, but notall you can say, just from a
couple of old photographs, they justmine or injuries. But nonetheless I find
them compelling when they when they arrivedin my inbox, I'm wow. I

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never thought I never thought we'd seethem. So we know there's all the
evidence, data information out there,it's just a question of finding it.
Yeah. No, I mean talkabout two great detectives here, because you
know we're talking decades later, andlike you said, I mean Moufon was
around in the seventies, but wedidn't have the computers and Internet, and

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it wasn't so easily. You know, when you put in a report to
move on. Back in those days, it was all via mail and these
long forms and in some regard andTera and I talked about this. I'm
sorry we had We're sorry for ourtechnical errors, but I think Tara jumped
out and jumped back in to seeand you are a little bit better now
so internet. Sorry everyone age forthat. However, what a lot of

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these cases in Mars, and thatthey were really really well I think,
and don't take this the wrong way, but we've got a little lazy depending
on the computer to do research forus. We're back in the day like
Irena interviewing what over forty witnesses toconduct these interviews and do these long reports

(01:43:23):
about it as the way it wasdone, and it is chock full of
really valuable information. So you havea case, like you said, in
a courtroom, you have multiple witnesses, you know, puncture bounds, photographs,
testimony, even the secretive you knowwhen they put the recorder in the
thing, trying to catch them going, oh, we're pulling the wall over

(01:43:43):
their eyes. I mean the factthat you transcribe these in the book.
I can't wait at my copy inthe mail. I haven't ordered to give
you an example as well. LadiesIrene and I about several different editions of
this book ready, and then we'dhave to change because we've got some more
information. But we finally drew aline in the sound. But then on

(01:44:06):
I think it was August the third, we were contacted by a lady called
Chelsea Norton Prince. She runs theOcean Springs Historical Society and she had an
interest in this case. And oneof the members of the society said,
oh, I've got two boxers ofletters that used to belong to Charles Hickson.

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In twenty eleven, this lady's momand dad bought Charlie Hickson's house after
we passed away and all this stuffwas not so she passed these on to
Chelsea. Chelsea knew of our involvement, contacted me the very next day and
said, I've got this stuff,and within no time at all she digitized

(01:44:53):
it all and I have it hereon a thumb track. I've yet to
copy all for ivan it because there'slike fifteen hundred Now. There's no smoking
gun in these these letters and documents, but it is a time capsule.
For example, there is some pencilsketches done by Charlie Hickson himself of the

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UFO invaluable, never invaluable, They'venever been published that there you go,
wow, great. And there areletters in there from Betty Hill to Charles
Hickson, all the well known UFOresearchers and groups including move On. And

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there are photographs of Charlie and Kelvinthat again haven't seen the light of day,
people reporting their sightings to him.And so it is a little time
capsule. But what is frustrating aswell. At the same time, the
lady who donated these these documents said, I used to have a lot more,
but I gave them away some yearsago and I can't remember whom I

(01:46:06):
gave them too. Oh my god, you're out there these Yeah, so
we know this. We know thatfor example, char Charles Thinkson kept a
journal. You know, we handwrote a journal. Maybe that's still lying
around somewhere. Yeah. So it'sthings like this that keeps us going.

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Because we'd written the book, youknow, we've got it ready to be
published, and then all this stuffarrived, you know, on a thumb
drive. So I said, I'mnot I'm not going to change it anymore.
We'll leave it as it is.We can publish this stuff later.
But what was really nice There werefive these five letters in this batch personally

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addressed to Calvin Parker, but theydidn't have Calvin's contact details, so they
sent them to Charlie. Calvin neversaw them, so I have them here
now I have the actual physical letters, so I digitized them and I sent
them to Calvin before he died.I don't know if he got to see

(01:47:15):
them, but I did send thembecause one of the first letters is a
lady writing in and apologizing for theshameful way that American television treated Charlie and
Calvin. They laughed at them,and she discussed. She's apologizing on behalf
of the TV and she's nothing todo with it, you know. And

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then we have a couple bedad.Yeah, we have a couple of young
kids of students wanting to know furtherinformation, you know, so that they
are really nice letters. And I'vewritten a piece for a magazine here as
a like a memorial to Calvin.Instead of just doing the same old thing,
I've actually were reproducing these letters infull. All that's being omitted is

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the address on them. You know, we've even used the real names.
And so again it's a little timecapsule. And I not only that.
One of the documents is a listby Charlie one to twenty bullet points of
what the creatures look like. Soyou know, the nose, the nose

(01:48:25):
is so big, the chest wasso many inches across, you know,
I mean, is going to pullit out? What? And that's why
that's good drawings everything, because thetexture of the skin, that's wow.
So today we do that on acomputer and points. Wouldn't wea but our

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bullet points. So that's the hope. That's the you know, the old
way, and it's you know,it's fascinating and I just hope we can
find the rest of the material,whether obtain it, didn't throw it in
the dumpster or something like that.Well, so we know there's other bits
of material out there's just a questionof finding it. Yeah. I wonder

(01:49:10):
if Maria kept a journal, youknow, all those years that she thought,
you know, that nothing happened,but she knew, you know that
must it would have driven me crazy. Now we're still in touch with Maria.
And I mentioned earlier Irene and Ihad an appearance on The Unexplained with
Howard Us and I had it.I had Howard phone Maria and record a

(01:49:32):
conversation on the phone with her.So he's only helped us, you know,
do a couple of minutes out ofthat on his show. But he
also has a podcast. So whathe did on the podcast, he put
the whole interview on there, whichis about half an hour. And what
I've done since I have transcribed thatwhole interview with Maria and we'll publish it

(01:49:58):
at some point because I think it'sI think it's eleven page as long,
so it's it's a bit long foran article as such, but we might
summarize it and publish it and sowe're still in contact with Maria. You
know, so all years and allyour research through through the years, have
you ever come across a similar lookingextraterrestrial as the Ugly ones? And and

(01:50:26):
you had mentioned something at the beginningof the show that they were described as
kind of robotic or perhaps AI like, which is fascinating to me because the
Colorado Ranch. I don't know ifyou know my connection to that, let's
predate Skinwalker Ranch. We had thesetwo be alien guys that I describe as
AI or like almost robotic, halfAI half human, and these creatures that

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they encountered in Pascagoula have somewhat kindof that AI robotic characteristic to that.
Have you ever either one of youas anything Arena? One thing interesting about
him is that they're shorter than thepeople, and you'd expect them to be

(01:51:12):
taller, but that's it. Alot of people describing as beings or aliens
or things like their beings, andCalvin and Charlie seemed to think they were
more mechanical like robots. Interesting.Yeah, I think that was based on
the way they moved and the factthat when they where they were taken on

(01:51:33):
board this thing that certainly. Calvinsaid, this thing just stood there like
a robot, and it was reallythe female that was was in charge,
and you know she just points usit in a way it would go,
you know, it would react toher decisions, so to speak. So
it was just an impression they got. Charlie said, I think it was

(01:51:55):
under hypnosis. But I think hesaid that he got the impression that there
was somebody back. It was observingthem behind a window or something too,
but I didn't say too much.That's so interesting. Yeah, it's almost
as if maybe they're workers or withthis female, like they must be working
hand in hand together. Fascinating stuff. I want to encourage everybody I know

(01:52:18):
for sure minds of the mail beyondreasonable doubt Pascagoula Alien Abduction, please get
that book. I mean, it'schock full of such valuable information that you're
not going to get anywhere else.You have to get it from this book.
The transcriptions, this interview has beenfascinating. I apologize for our technical

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glitches, but that happens sometimes,as we all know with crazy internet.
We are so honored that you tookthe time to speak with us, the
two of you, and I wantto show. I took screenshots of both
their websites. I really want toencourage our listeners to go check out check
out the websites. There. Wehave Flying disc Press, so many great

(01:53:00):
publications. Fill your you can fillyour library just from that website alone,
and so many great things there andthe store. Check out the store.
We shared some of the products atthe top of the hour at the beginning
of the show, and then doctorIrena Scott's website as well. Again,
so many great publications. I'm soexcited that you know this case is such

(01:53:25):
an important case, the work you'vedone on it and continue to do.
There's still so many witnesses out there, and the fact that you two are
on it is just fantastic. Sothank you so much for everything you both
do. Thank you for being aguest on our show. Thank you Tara
and Shane. We hope you getwell you're back with us next week.

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And thank you to Bill Skywatcher andKgra for producing. It's fantastic to be
able to share. And one thingI'm taking away from this for sure is
I'm reading those Dan comments because that'swhy we do will do to tie and
all these doughts and reach out topeople that don't know how to share their
encounter. So that's fantastic that youare able to It's like synchronistic. You

(01:54:08):
guys were meant to have this caseand this was all meant to be.
I mean, there's no other wayto describe it, the things that you
have found and these letters and soon. So yeah, thank you guys
so much for being here. Ohmy pleasure to what's this space? That's
all I will say, you guysall have a good rest of your week
and next week. But why everyone