Robert Spearing

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always were endorsed by moufon the MutualUFO Network, always asking that all important
question are we alone in the universe? And I know last time we were
here last week we had Bob spearingon telling us about the new Project Aquarius
and Project Mars, but he was, you know, behind the scenes,
was telling us about some really coolresearch that he's been doing. So I'm

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like, you have got to comeon the show and share all that.
So I'm really excited that Bob willbe our guest tonight. I'm looking forward
to having him on. I hopethat you are all having a wonderful week
I hope you had a great weekend. Thank you all for being here where
you appreciate your support of the show. And if you celebrate Hanuka, I
hope you had a wonder Wohanka andMerry Christmas. Whatever you guys celebrate out

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there, I hope it's good.I would like to bring on my co
host, Tara dai Ulis. Youcould see Tara also right here on Live
Sky Tour live stream with Mark theAntonio. I always want to leave that
live stream out anyway. How youdoing, Tara, buddy, what's up?
What's up? I know we're allwondering. It seems like it's like

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daily right in the news, likethis topic, back and forth, back
and forth, getting close. We'renot we're getting some ground, we're pulling
back. I don't know, it'scrazy, but before we got started,
I know, before we get startedon your meme and your products that you're
going to share. I have totell you, you know, doing that
last minute Christmas shopping, I wentto the four to eleven store and they

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had these at the register. Andof course, in good old Katie style,
I'm like, what they have alienlike collectible patches that this is series
two? So I will and youdon't know what pat you're going to get.
But I was lucky. I gotthe whole ho ho Christmas one.
But look at some of these.Yeah, and look at this guy in

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his camo. You got the camo, dude, this guy is awesome.
You know, all Americana, red, white and blue. We got the
little weightlifting guy powerlifting. I like. This one is the Egyptian game,
so we got. This one wasmy least favorite, you know, but

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it's all right. It's kind ofnice. He's a surgeon. I don't
know if he's I think he's asurgeon. He's the sert like a surgeon.
This guy's fun, he's like theskeleton are And let's see what this
one was. This I saved thebest for lass. This was my favorite.
This guy thes like he's like anastronaut. He's holding I think it's

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like a weapon, you know,But those are the common ones, and
then of course, if you're lucky, you get in one hundred chance to
get the cool alien robot. That'sthe one I was really wanting to get.
And then there's then there's like thealien cow and then the surprise one.
So those are a lot of fun. If you're ever at the five
eleven store, you know, theseare really collectible those here, and if

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you get the rare ones, they'regoing for like seventy five bucks on eBay,
So I'm like, get I wantedthe rare ones. So those are
a lot of fun. What doyou have for a meme for a snare?
Well, Katie, you have lotsof fun stores where you're at.
There's just a lot of little boutiquesand everything. Yeah, awesome. M
Well, today's meme shows a couplein their destroyed homes, so wrapped presents

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are thrown through the window and whywell, they just had a visit from
the sasquatch clause, that's hard sasquatchclause. And the guy's saying to the
wife it was seven or eight feettall, covered in hair and wearing a
red hat, so it must havebeen sasquatch claws. That's funny. Speaking

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of red hats. You know,I live outside of color of Springs and
I drive up the canyon pipe Pike'sPeak right and you know the curving you
well, you were there with me, so you know that canyon. We
drive up, I'm looking up atthe rocks and somebody hitd of Wear's Waldo
up there. Oh oh my god, I've got Waldo. How clever is
that people need to spread this allacross the country and just randomly hide Waldo

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because that was a lot of fun. That's a really high up in the
mountains there though, So those peoplewere determined. I know. It's so
funny. Yeah, that's awesome.Well, today's product it took to seat
the season to decorate, you know, whether it be the mountain, perhaps
your tree. So if you havea UFO theme in mind, well I

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found on Edsy are UFO ornaments createdto match the real things, so you
have your pictures of the aliens andthe real things. So here from nineteen
sixty seven is the wound socket craft. It's that one right there. There's
the right and then you can getthe ornament for that. So very nice

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on your tree. Cool. Thenext one is the seventies beamship, and
here is the ornament for that one. So it's really neat what they can
do with three D printers these days. All right, so here you go
ahead, Katie. I was gonnasay, I want to get the gold
paint, the silver paint. Yeah, I want to yeah, paint them.
Yeah, Well that's the thing youcan. So well, this is

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the picture of the Lubbic lights fromnineteen fifty one, and then you can
get the Lubbic like or ornaments andpainted. So now going way back to
fifteen sixty one, you guys rememberthat the Narenberg incident. Now that was
the famous woodcut, and they actuallyhave this actual newspaper still in the museum.

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But that dark object there was aUFO and that too can hang from
your tree, or it could beused as a weapon. It's a little
sea. So here's the fantastic drawingby bar a Hell from the sixty one
Betty and Barney Hill incident. SoBarney drew that from his memory, and

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here is a reproduction of that craft. How cool is that? Yeah,
it is really cool. You couldand we're often with these tik TACs and
how about one suddenly appearing on yourtree, or you can get an oversized
tile and all and hang out onit mini tree full of little white capsules,

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so funny. Lastly, we can'tforget about that incredible bab Lazaar sketch,
right, so you two can havethis sport model hanging from your tree
and there it is so cool.Yeah, these are really cool and fun
and can be yours where on It'swhere else but on Etsy, where you
can find and search for anything.Right. So I also wanted to give
a quick shout out to our friendsat Paranormal Pops. There you can find

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their big Foot Christmas card, whichis a solid chocolate dream you know,
the flavors of which are and chocolate, and you know that smells and tastes
like the holidays, So very cute. So visit paranormalpops dot com for all
sorts of fun paranormal chocolates and yummySo that I know I've already bought,

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I've already bought so many things.I got some of the gift rep you
shared. Now I get some ornamentsto paint. So I love the things
you find. They're also great andyou know it's not too late to get
those things delivered. They have youknow, two day ship in now,
so you can get some of thoseif you need a last minute gift.
Yeah. So we have a kindof a fun thing for case of the
week. Our producer Chanel runs ourback end, had her own sighting.

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So my case of the week,I would like to bring out Chanel and
tell us about your sighting. IChanel, thanks on the show today.
Last minute surprise, but well forus well. So this sighting occurred on
the ninth of this month. Thatwas a Saturday, just an ordinary kind

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of day. I had attended afuneral early in the morning, but had
gone grocery shopping and it was aboutsix forty four pm. I remember asking
my partner what time it was thatI could record it. Unfortunately I haven't
reported it to mouf On yet,So you lovely ladies get to be one
of the first to care about it. But you know, just mundane bringing

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in groceries from the car with daylightsavings. It was kind of dark outside,
still a little bit of sunlight,and I happened to look up in
the sky and see what I woulddescribe as a boomerang. This shape was
of that a boomerang. However,it was interesting because it was transparent,

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and so I didn't think that itwould be any sort of military craft or
an airplane, given I do liveby the Salt Lake Airport in Utah,
which is where the siding of itwas in Salt Lake City, Okay,
although we do have a military basehere as well, the Hill Air Force

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Base, so it could have possiblybeen one of their crafts. But the
big giveaway was that it was atranslucent boomerang shape that was quite large.
It didn't seem like it would bethe size of a commercial plane. It
seemed a bit bigger than that.Wow. I noticed that it had about
four to five big circles on theunderside of the craft. I didn't get

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my phone out just because I didn'twant to lose sight of the craft with
it being dark and it being transparent. However, I did have my partner
with me at the time, andI called him over like, look,
look, look, and so we'veboth witnessed what he did. Yeah,
at first he thought that I wasreferring to a cat, but he said

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by the tone of my voice,he realized that it was something much better
than a cat. That is oftenthe case when you're caught up, I
mean like a genuine sighting of somethingthat you're trying to wrap your brain around.
You know, people will off tosay, well, why did you
get a photo or a video?I mean, that's happened to me,
you know, when I was inthe San Luis Valley. Cause you're just
so caught up in the moment ofwhat the heck are you looking at?

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You forget, you know, aswonder as the flight pattern went with the
vehicle, it didn't seem like itwas moving super fast, but definitely quicker
than you would see a plane goacross the sky. With it being fairly
large, it kind of made likea weird s pattern through the sky.

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I do have a pretty big treein my neighboring yard that I lost track
of the pattern for a moment,but we walked out to the street were
able to continue seeing it. Idon't recall how it disappeared, or I
think we might have just lost itwith all the trees, but quite quite
an interesting sighting. No one washurt, thankfully, so it was this

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was this your first sighting? Shitknow? This was this was both of
our first sightings. Given I dolive in Utah, as I stated,
so I know that it's a prettyactive state. However, we were we
were both pretty excited. I thinkhe was more so excited than I was,
given I've heard a lot of differentstories working for this network, and
not all of them are so Onething interesting to note, too, is

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we do live in a pretty livelyarea, so there was plenty of people
still outside walking their dogs or onan evening stroll. However, no one
else seemed to be looking up atthe sky. So moral of the story,
I guess, just keep your eyesto the sky. What they say,
keep looking up. I'd be curiousto note. And I'll have to

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check the database to see if anyother reports came in for that day.
Yeah, so you'll have to messageme the exact date of that. Yeah,
I know I have the time.Yeah, I'll check it see if
anybody else reported something, because youknow, I'm always curious about that.
Like you're right, not a lotof people are looking up, especially this
time of the year. Everybody's lookingat their shopping lists, and that's so

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cool. I didn't really it wasn'treally a cloudy day. I was some
stars in the sky and things likethat too, So were the circles lit
up. I mean, you sayit's transparent, but it was just sort
of a that's what. I wasn'tsure if they were lights or not because
they weren't lit and there were justabout four or five large circles, and

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I mean you could see the silhouetteof the craft and the circles kind of
looked like that as well as ifyou were to like draw in the sky
with like a white pencil. Anysound or any emissions from it. Totally
quiet, no trails behind it,which was also pretty interesting. And they're

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wearing any flashing lights on the crafteither. It was I wasn't sure what
I was looking at it first.Yeah right, well, lucky you.
That's awesome. That's really cool,Thanks Chanel. Yeah, thanks for my
share. Yeah that's really cool.You gave me some homework to do too,
so well thanks for having show,of course, thanks for sharing.

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Yeah, so, Tera, doyou have a Mars case? Well,
I do have a Mars case.And so today's Mars case it goes back
let me f I'm here with mynotes to it comes just from Lemon Grove,
California, and Lemon Grove is asuburb of San Diego, and I

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think there's a picture one of thepictures coming up that shows it's kind of
by the bay. So there's LemonGrove and there's the Bay of San Diego
there, so it's it's pretty populated, just like how Chanel was. And
so on November sixteenth and nineteen seventythree, at approximately seven pm, there
were two eleven year old boys andthey were playing in a vacant lot near

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their homes and the ground was hardclay covered by dead field grass. So
as they walked by some bamboo inthe open field, they saw a large
dark object sitting on the ground inthat darkened field. So it was a
landed gray craft that was twenty feetwide and about eleven feet tall. So

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the boys slowly approached it, andafter about five minutes, they say,
one of the boys walked up toit and get this, he wrapped on
it three or four times with thisflashlight and it created a metallic sound,
so I know, and so theobject immediately came to life, whereas the
dome on the top of the objectbecame illuminated with an intense red light and

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it lit the entire area, includingthe boys. Wow. So at the
same time when he hit it andthen went the light went red. The
object rose from the ground about fourfeet and a row of green lights began
to blink in sequence around the peripheralrim. So the boys there's the first

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picture of it. The boys reportedthe object began to make a whoosh whoosh
sound as it began to rotate andrise in the air, and the red
knot lights were now blinking on andoff. So it was then that the
boys decided to get out of there, right so right then. So then

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they turned and ran until they saidthey became so weak they couldn't move,
almost like they were running in slowmotion, and they even thought they might
die. So they looked at theobject and then they watched it disappear into
the clouds. So this incident wasinvestigated and it was found that there were
numerous reports of TV interference in theneighborhood that happened around seven twenty Peter that

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evening, and also two telephone linesin the area were found fused together.
The wires were actually melted together andthey had to be completely replaced. What
is also interesting is that the investigationrevealed indentations in the hard clay. They
found two holes in the ground likesix inches by six inches, and a

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third depression forming an equilateral triangles alsoapparent the dead filled grass. It seemed
to be lying in a counterclockwise circularpattern, and square holes were found in
the clay that had to be formedby something extremely heavy. So there you
see this guy. The event alsoappeared in the local newspapers showing artists renditions

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of the craft, along with reproducingthe original sketches as found in this file.
And what's really fun is that theinvestigator's comments out one of the boy's
sketches and in his notes there theyare investigating the ground right there. It's

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really cool. So there's the sketchesthat they reproduced in the newspapers, loving
that, And this is the investigator'snotes. It says, take time to
study this sketch. It's priceless.He banged on the object with this flashlight
and only eleven year old boy couldhave done that, and the object suddenly
came to life and started whirling,which is pretty amazing. And there it

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is showing him banging on the craftright there. That's and you see the
beams of light and it starts swirlingand took off so funny. Wow,
I wonder where these boys are.I wonder where these boys are now I
know, you know, and howit's impacted their lives. Yeah, so
it'd be interesting to be able tofollow up on that, but really cool,

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interesting stuff that can be found inthose Mars five. Also, I
know we're gonna, you know,we're gonna talk to Bob about all of
that that rollout of Move On.I think it rolled out. Actually,
no to tomorrow. I think it'stomorrow. I think I wasn't sure.
Yeahob, Yeah, I think doyou want to bring him in? We

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should bring him in. Let melet me read his bio. We have
questions for you, Bob, weneed to write. Bob is the International
director of Investigations for MOFON. Hegraduated from Fordham University with the bachelor's and
communications. That's what I have too. We have that in common, Bob,
with journalism and film production as majorconcentrations. Bob recently retired from the
Port Authority of New York and NewJersey after thirty four years. Congratulations on

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your retirement, Bob. That's awesome. Bob joined moof on and Yeah,
Bob joined move On in twenty fourteen. As a field investigator, and has
previously been National director at BO Spainand India and Leeds MoveOn's Special Assignment Team.
Bob was Moufon's Field Investigator of theYear in twenty eighteen. Bob has
long been involved with various special projects, including the Mars Project, the Pine

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Bush, New York UFO Museum,the Mofon member social network called the Observer
Network, and the mutual the MoufonUFO Map app. He has had numerous
articles published in various UFO related magazinesaround the world, including four Moufon Journal
cover stories, and he has appearedin several television series as a photo analyst,
including UFOs, A Loss of Evidenceand Ancient Aliens. A lifelong UFO

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enthusiast after reading Frank Edwards Flying Saucer'sSerious Business as a child in the nineteen
sixties, I think he's had threeUFO sightings of his own, which we'll
get into him about right away,and that's what kind of sparked his interest
in the phenomenon. And he livesin eastern Pennsylvania with his beautiful wife and
his twin boys. So welcome tothe show, Bob, spearing him to

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have you on Bob, Hello again, Hello again, long time though.
See yeah, right right, you'regetting all geared up for the holidays.
We are. We actually just setup the Christmas tree the other night.
That's a little late, don't youthink, Bob. We used to try
to do it on Thanksgiving, butthe things been a little busy with Project

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Aquarius and stuff. Right now,Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah,
I did have three sightings. Ineed to update that because I've now had
five cover stories of the Journal.December Journal is my cover story. Yeah,
oh, I should downstairs on mytable. I need to open it
and look at it. That's bobstory. Oh do you have it in
front of you. I'll get itduring break and I'll share it. As

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I was reading that, I wasthinking, I think you just had another
cover story. So that's awesome.You do great work, Bob, and
you know that's why I'm excited totalk to you about some of these new
things that you're talking about. Butbefore we get into talking about Project Aquarius
and Mars, I want to touchon those three sightings you had, how
old you were, where they were, what you saw. In nineteen eighty

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I was camping in Round Valley,reservoir. Where's that a remote part of
New Jersey, Okay, towards Pennsylvania, and it's a man made lake.
It's a reservoir, but it's justsurrounded by forest. And it was raining
one night. This is nineteen eightysix, August of nineteen eighty six,
and it was raining, very heavycloud cover. Late at night. I

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was sitting on an overturned canoe witha friend of mine and we saw this
pink light underneath the clouds coming towardsus over this seven mile wide reservoir.
And we watched it for a while, and all of a sudden it started
dropping stop semi circle stop took offand I knew nothing of what I was

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looking at. Me and my friendlooked at each other, what the heck
was that? Years later, Ijoined mufon basically because I found the book
by a Pennsylvania field investigator named TerryRay who wrote a book called The Pleach
Story of the Worldwide Invasion of OrangeWarps. And I said, other people
saw what I saw. And itturns out that probably half the move On

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database and the other database contained orreports. So anyway, I was interested.
I got into move On the secondone that I had was I was
on a train going to North NewJersey across the New Jersey Meadowlands, and
I just looked out the window andthe train was going about sixty miles an
hour, and maybe a thousand feetout, maybe a thousand feet up,

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there was this silver sphere. Itwas as plain as day. It was
a size of a quarter and roundand it was just pacing the train.
And when we hit the north skyline, it just shot up and went over
to buildings and was gone. Sothose wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, wait, hold on,I have to stop you right there
for a minute. So it's pacingthe train. It's the size of a
quarter next to the no, yeah, apparent size. It was probably i'd

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say the size of a Volkswagen inactual size. Okay, okay, from
the distance, you know, ifyou put your thumb over it, it
was a little bigger than my thumbquarter size. So it just was.
And we get tons of those reportsviews and they go back decades, so
I don't know what the thing was. The weird one that I had was

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I was coming back from Quebec andI was going through the Adiron Dyke Mountains.
Me and my family call it thedead zone. It's sort of near
Lake Placid, and I'm like theonly car on the road. It's the
middle of winter, I'm in themiddle of nowhere. And it was a
clearing uh in the trees, andit was a sheer cliff and climbing up

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this cliff was this square object withlike triangle wheels. It was if you
took if you took two tractor trailersand put them together, That's how big
this was. And was just clumpingup the side of a cliff and like,
I want, what the and Imaybe you turn and I went back
and when I got back to thespot, it was gone. The thing

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is, I never saw anything likeit. It was literally climbing up a
cliff. And there's no civilization anywhere. There's no roads but the one I
was on. So I don't knowwhat this thing was, what it was
doing, but it was designed todo something in the middle of nowhere.
It was the scariest, weirdest thingI ever saw. That is BIZARREO.

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And I've had a kind of asimilar thing. Been a little bit on
a very busy road here in Colorado, Smoky Hill Road. Centennial is like
really populated middle of the day andthere was this like copper bronze looking round
sphere like what you're talking about.But it was a very distinct color.
And I thought this must be likea drone somebody's flying or something. I

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do a U turn, I'm lookingfor people outside. It was just gone.
There was no people outside, nodrone. I'm I don't know what
that was. But what you're describing, Bob, this like going up a
cliff, like maybe it was likelooking for something geological in nature. Yeah,
no matter what it was, nomatter how weird it was, it

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just should not have been where itwas. That's weird. Right When was
that sighting? What year was that? It was somewhere between twenty twelve and
twenty sixteen. I was going upto Quebec city a lot. I love
Quebec city, so I traveled upthere a lot before COVID. Golly,
that is really really strange, verystrange. Right. Can we kind of

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get into some of your orange orbresearch. Talk to us about like are
they all orange? Do you seeother colors? What what have you?
Because you've been doing this for awhile. Tara, Bob and I were
all part of the Mars project andwe're all part of the team of Redacting,
so I know even during those yearsyou were really, really heavily investigating

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these So oh no, don't takethat one down. That's jump jumping the
gun, jumping the gun, allthese name the same. You know,
my research has taken me in somany different places that I actually moved away
from orbes. But the major takeawaysabout orbs I believe is that it's more

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than one phenomenon. I think theyfall under an umbrella of things. One.
A lot of them are natural phenomenalike bull lightning, and it's a
very misunderstood weather phenomenon. So inone sense, it's a natural phenomenon.
And then if especially and we've talkedabout him before, Albert Rosales's Humanoid series

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books, he details a lot ofcases of orbs that turn into little aliens,
that turn into bigfoot, that turninto men. And then it goes
the opposite way too, all right, So you know, are we dealing
with some sort of paranormal aspect tothe ORB experience? And then there's a

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third type of ORB and we believethat their actual spherical vehicles like I saw
from the train that day, andthat they can wrap themselves in a plasma.
So there's actually a vehicle, butit's it's surrounded by a plasma,
and it falls literally under the samecategory of orbs. But the reason that

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we believe these, these vehicles,these fears are covered in a plasma goes
back to ted Row from NARCAP severalyears ago. We had a very very
interesting case of an object pacing aplane, a FedEx plane going from Mexico
to Tennessee, and it stayed withthe plane for thirty three minutes at five
hundred miles an hour, and assoon as it hit the United States border,

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it made a right turn and left. Had it been a natural weather
if it had been a natural weatherphenomenon, I probably would have hit the
plane and you know, exploded whenthe rod. So ted rowe believes that
the reason it was surrounded by plasmais that plasma absorbs radar signals. And
the pilot actually videotaped the object outsidethe cockpit, panned down to his T

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cass Anti collision radar and it wasnothing there all right. So the United
States military right now is experimenting withshooting plasma screens in front of like F
thirty five fighter jets because if say, they were going to do a mission
and take out something in Iran,and the Iranian missile batteries with the radars
are looking for the planes. Theradar will hit the screen of plasma and

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it will absorb the radar signals,so it'll look like there's no plane there.
So it's three different phenomena as faras far as I'm concerned. The
orb phenomena, that's incredible. Soyou kind of talked about the airplanes,
and so what about collision avoidant systemsfor these type of phenomena. What is

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there anything happening that you know of? No, not that I know.
If I know that, all commercialvehicles or commercial aircraft have what's called a
teacast system and it can see abovethe plane, below the plane, anything
coming towards them that would that wouldset off an alarm. And this thing
was literally thirty feet away from thecockpit and nothing registered on the teacast,

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So it was obviously superior to theplane's ability to detect it. What's strange,
though, is that if it wasthat sophisticated, why didn't it continue
into the United States. Obviously itssensed that the United States must have had
a system that could penetrate it andsee it. And the last question with
that case would be what was onthe FedEx plane that was so interesting to

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these objects? A that's an interestingOh my brain just went a whole bunch
of things. Yeah, you answeredthe question before I asked it. But
I was wondering if that's why Ididn't come into the United States, because
maybe were able to detect that detectthem when others cannot. Yeah, and

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that's a good point. What wason that plane that was so interesting to
the pilot? The pilot said thatthe manifest said they were carrying auto parts
from a Ford plant in Mexico City. They are hard to get, you
know, there's a way for theseparts. So that's why. Oh,

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we just we're onto something. Thealiens are taking the dang parts. What's
happening. I wanted to go backto something earlier in the show. You
showed the Nuremberg fifteen sixty one.Yeah, with the orbs and the crosses
and the big black spear and theweapon. You know, I've researched find

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that that a lot. I don'tknow if anybody knows this, but I
corresponded with the Zurich Light or Citylibrarian where this is. This collection is
housed, it's called it's in somethingcalled the Wick collection, and basically Hans
Glazier, the guy that did thisdrawing. There's actually four copies of this.

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The library has two. They don'tknow where the other two copies are.
But there's another version of this andit's on the internet, all right,
but you really got to look forit. The black spirit at the
bottom in one of their drawings intheir collection doesn't have those cuts and grooves,
and it's simply black all the waythrough. Okay. The other thing

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is that's interesting is the cylinders areof two types. One, like the
one at the top right, opensa hatch to let the ball out.
The other ones come out as ifthere's windows in them, and they can
be seen Okay, in the lowerleft corner if you have a really good

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copy of this, where the smokeis, it's actually a crashed cylinder.
I was going to ask about that. Yeah, there's a crash. There's
it's a crashed cylinder and it's actuallyballs going around it as if it's some
sort of rescue operation. Okay.The thing that's most interesting to me is
the spear, because the spear camelater in the day. Okay, that
morning when this occurred, the sunwas already up and North America was still

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dark. But in Europe the sunwas up, so these weren't glowing nighttime
orbs. This was a daytime event. Okay. The spear I believe because
I'm big into the time travel theory. It has a very very close resemblance
to a B one bomber, Okay, and the cuts and grooves in it.

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I believe that it was coming infor a landing and that it had
its its its flaps down. AndI've been under like a B one bomber
out at I forget it was Elmendorffor someone I was traveling around the United
States, and it does have similarflaps. So what the heck was a
twenty first century you know, nuclearbomber doing over Nuremberg hours after this UFO

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battle, And there's a lot ofinteresting things were going on. In fifteen
sixty one. There was a battlethat day in Croatia and basically the Muslims
were coming up with the intent togo around Croatia down into Rome and sack

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Rome, the Christian capital of theworld. And it was this mysterious battle
and I have tried to research thiswith the Croatian universities. What happened in
that battle and there were no detailsabout it, but a small garrison of
Croatians crushed this massive army and preventedRome from being destroyed. They had help,

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and I always wondered, yes,if they had help, And that's
where I'm eventually going to go tonightwhen we get into our main topic,
it's a question of that they havehelp. Interesting, all right, So
now I'm like, do we wantto start there or let's maybe talk about
let's do this. We have aboutwhat twenty five minutes twenty minutes or so

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before break, Why don't we talkabout Mars and Aquarius, because I think
that's rolling out tomorrow right on thetwentieth. Basically, what's happening tomorrow is
is what we call the pre launchedsales day. So we wanted to be
a Christmas present for people, andso we really rush to get it out

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in time. So if you actuallygo to the mofon web website tonight,
you'll actually see that we're set upto launch sometime tomorrow morning with the two
types of membership. One, ProjectAquarius will be a excuse me, a
standalone fifty dollars subscription. You don'thave to be a member of Moufon to

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get it. Fifty dollars for aone year scription, and it's going to
offer six of these seven rooms.We anticipate having, as I mentioned last
week, the one room the newspaperArchives room, which has thousands of newspaper
articles, and we'll have many more. When I was at the move On
headquarters three weeks ago, I puttogether a box, a banker's box,

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and probably another three thousand clippings wehave to stare, so there's a lot
more coming. But that room isgoing to be free, free to the
public. Anybody on Earth is goingto be able to access the public domain
newspaper Clippings Room, basically because wegot it for free. You know,
we want to give it to theworld for free. The other rooms will

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be behind a paywall. The otherway you can get MARS is if you
want an enhanced VIP membership. That'sa little pricey, but you get move
On TP and a lot of otherstuff. Plus we have a graphic of
the doors up here, so thenews clippings gallery door that's going to be
just free. No membership required todo. I have that correct correct,

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So as of tomorrow, everybody listeningtomorrow tomorrow, Tomorrow tomorrow you can purchase
the subscription and time for Christmas tomake it Christmas present. D day launch
day is New Year's Eve, Okay, New Years New Year's Eve. Everybody
needs to go through that news clippingsgallery. Door. Can you talk a

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little bit, Bob about the otherdoors? Okay. The Witness Sketch Gallery
is something I put together with anotherfield investigator and Doug Lesson. It's about
seven thousand drawings that we see amess. Now. You were showing earlier
drawings from the Mars Collection, whichis six thousand pages of our pre computerized

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sightings that people actually mailed into us. At some point I will be going
through them and pulling out the drawingsand adding it to the Witness Sketch Gallery.
Oh that doesn't even include We tookone hundred and thirty five thousand cms
cases and just scoured them for drawings, illustrations, architectural drawings, paintings.
People people paint. They make paintingsof what they've said, and they range

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from simple stick figure drawings to absolutemasterpieces. And two things that I discovered
when putting this together is that theenormous amount of people during the same thing
is of the charge. Especially Isaw chevrons. The amount of Chevron drawings

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we have is astonishing, and thecolors of the lights on the bottom of
them, the size of the lightsalmost like what Chane was talking about before.
They're all similar. People have beenseeing the same thing over and over
and over and over again. Andthe other pattern we found was that during
certain periods, because these drawings moreor less go in chronological order by case

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number, there are some historical onesout of sync. But you'll find that
in a certain range of cases thatit's only triangles. In another range of
cases, it's a certain type ofdisc with red lights on a bottom,
which shows that people are seeing thesame or similar type objects during certain time
periods. Yes, so it wasreally fascinating what we discovered during the drawings

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gallery, and I think it's gonnabe a great visual tool for researchers.
So you have the drawing, thedrawings gallery, the newspaper clippings gallery,
all of the mouf On journals areare going up. We're missing two years
twenty eleven. In twenty twelve,so if anybody can find them for us,
we'd appreciate it. But we're goingto have every move you have from

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the original Skylook magazine nineteen sixty sevenand then the journals I think it's forty
three years we're put on all rightup until twenty ten. We're missing twenty
twelve, eleven and twelve and thentwenty thirteen are the modern ones that you
need a move On membership for.So we're going from sixty seven to twenty
ten right now. Lots and lotsof stuff, and thank you, Eric,

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I just thank you. We're alsogoing to have the symposium proceedings.
We have every symposium proceeding from nineteenseventy one up until twenty ten. I
just sent our it guy a fewof the more modern ones, so we're
gonna have forty years of symposiums forpeople that don't know. That's the booklet

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that you get when you go toa move On convention, and it will
list what the topics they're going tobe spoken about, who the speakers are,
and when you look back on thirtyforty years of speakers that spoke at
mofon, it's just it's an amazingamount of and those that in those A
lot of those move on proceedings,they give synapses and sometimes even have photos

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of their slides. I mean,they're great researchers as well. I have
the majority of them. Actually,you can see all of those down here
on my shelf are all the proceedings. So yeah, I think they're invaluable.
So that's cool. Well, Katie, we're missing four years of proceedings,
so I might I have them?I don't think I haven't. I

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have a question, Bob, whatabout any videos or pictures that may move
on hazards? Are they ever goingto have access to those? Because I
know, like the Mars files,we just had photo copies of pictures and
it said, oh there was avideo or things got you know, but
what about those can you? Canyou show? Well? It's interesting because

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I went to Cincinnati several weeks agoto see what they had that we could
still possibly use in the future,and one of the cases I found were
literally decades of video presentations by theactual speakers with their slide presentations, and
they roll on discs and there's alot of them. So in somewhere between

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March and Memorial Day, when weput up the Leonard string Field files which
have to be redacted yet. We'realso going to try to put up this
entire video library, and we're alsogoing to be launching the multi level interactive
UFO map of numerous databases that we'veput together and will graphically portray where you

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can click on something and it willopen up and tell you you know the
long narrative, and you'll be ableto search by shape, by date,
range, by country, and thenit will also that map will also have
the nicap chronology. AFU in Swedenis giving us the Swedish Norwegian databases,

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so it's going to be w Ziegelmeyer, one of our board members, has
a database of the USO sightings withlatitudes and longitudes. That's going to be
another level. So it's just afantastic amount of stuff. But right now
the Private Collection Room, which isone of the six rooms we're launching all
the way there on the left,we have, most famously right now the

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Captain Rupelt blue book personal files.He had one hundred and twenty folders and
I've gone through some of them andthe letters are astonishing. Just one example
that I mentioned somebody the other day. He actually inquired about Eisenhower meeting an

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alien a pliman, So it's actuallyin the blue Book files that he was
interested if Eisenhower did meet with somesort of entity at an airfield. So
that's the type of stuff that's inthere. We're also going to have the
John Warren collection. He's not wellknown, but it's a lot of very
very interesting technical information. A lotof these collections have additional newspaper clippings.

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Rupelt collected a lot of very odd, weird stuff. He was very interested
in a certain forest fire in thenineteen fifties California and collected dozens of articles
just on that one topic. Soit's going to take researches a year to

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go through everything that's in the Rootbeltfiles. The other thing that we have
is the mythical and possibly never existedMJ twelve Majestic Group move On collected and
an incredible amount of information on tryingto determine if this was an actual group
or not. We have one wholedrove a file cabinet that goes from like

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the nineteen forties up until nineteen eightyone with all reports, and it looks
at if MJ twelve actually existed.That's going to be in a collection room.
We also we also found a humcatback in the early early late seventies
early eighties, David Webb and TimBlockner I don't know how to pronounce his

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name, famous old time UFO researchers. They created what was called Humcat,
and compcat is available. It's veryhard to find. It's all of the
humanoid sightings from the year seventeen ninetyup until nineteen eighty one. I'm telling
you, cool, this is soworth fifty bucks. It's it's not funny,

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all right. And the last thingDave McDonald or executive director said to
me, he goes, hey,you know it's our mission. You know
this. We should have put thisout a long time ago, and you
know now it's here. And ofcourse you know MARS is another room with
the six thousand pages of drawings thatUKDE worked so diligently on for so many

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years. Yes, thank you.I can't thank all of you. And
we had a great team of likefifteen of us, so it wasn't just
me. I just was organized inthe thing. But I have to say,
I can't tell you how happy Iam that move is putting this information
out because You're right, that's partof the mission statement to educate the public

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on this movement, and you knowthey're holding on, They're holding on to
decades worth of so many interesting reports. Now that being said, Bob,
what do you think I mean assomebody who goes through and does case of
the week, or even Tara whogoes through the Mars and poles these cases.
It's interesting to see how investigators investigatedthings back pre laptop and computers and

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post laptop and you know all that, But it also comes down to it's
almost as if I think for researchersin particular having access to some of the
especially the old newspaper clippings and things, because you know, as part of
the Mars team, it was like, okay, we have to redact personal
names and different information, but withthose newspaper articles, they did not redact

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those, and those newspapers are leftthat way, so you can get the
names of people and if so,if a particular Kuler area interests you in
this topic, you have names togo back in the reference and try to
contact and Rea. Basically reopen andinvestigate the cases. Because my question to
you, Bob is, you know, how do you know how something was

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vetted or validated, and sometimes it'shard to know. And what do you
recommend for researchers that want to goback and re examine some of these old
historical cases. Well, you know, what we do now is sort of
lazy compared to what they did yearsago. They would go knock on somebody's
door and you know, sit downand interview them and look in the backyard.

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A lot a lot of investigators thesedays just do it over the telephone
or eat email contact if you know, the events over and there's no evidence
or whatever. So in a way, you folowy sort of gotten a little
lazy. The thing that you'll seethat's different from fifty years ago is that

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entities and UFOs were less concerned aboutbeing seen than they are today. Right.
We always get those the crappy picturesof UFOs, and I think it's
because whoever the visitors are, they'remuch more diligent about being seen, Whereas
fifty years ago, sixty years ago, the reports that we got are quite

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different than today. Like two boysgoing up and wrapping on the shell of
a spacecraft with you don't see thatanymore. You want to play the other
thing, you don't see anymore areelectro electric interference cases with automobiles, and

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that's basically because the wiring insulation isso good today that that's the real reason
why you don't get those type ofcases anymore. So the study and the
other problems you have today that youdidn't have fifty sixty years goes. You
don't have to deal with CGI andAI. In the past ten years,

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we've had to deal with drones whichnever existed before. So old time UFO
research and investigation is a totally differentanimal than what it is today. And
Bob, I wonder if some ofthose cases are similar to the Mars cases
because in those investigative files you havehandwritten notes by like the head of Moufon's

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investigations and the field investigators, andyou can learn so much about about how
they did the investigation and what theydidn't think about, and it just kind
of gives you some great ideas.So you know, you can learn a
lot from what how things were vettedbased on some of those personal notes.

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I'll give you the best example whenwhen I was on Katie's redacting team,
the case that landed for me toredact was the cash Landrup affair. Oh
and that PDF file alone was eightypages, and John Schusler went into so
much detail, all right. Hevisited them in the he visited the two

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ladies in the hospital when they hadradiation sickness, all right, he took
copious notes. That is that aloneis a case study that everybody who gets
MARS should go. Look for thecash Landrum report that John Schusler did.
It's amazing is the Travis Walton Iknow that one was like two hundred and

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some plus pages, or maybe evenover three hundred. But what's really interesting
a lot of these you know,big huge PDF files that were in MARS
would contain like you had the wholephil class sect, you know, all
of that stuff. So you hadthis whole dialogue and the investigator notes and
this and that and the other thing. And it was so cool when I
found you know, we found thatoriginal the Travis Walt basically, and there

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was some things in there Travis didn'teven have, so you know, it's
really cool to get that back tohim, you know. Do you know
what I always thought was interesting aboutthe Travis Walton case another I'm into patterns
and I'm into time travel, right, that's my two. That's my gig,
that's your thing, that's what youdo. Travis was hit by a

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beam of blue light. All right. I have eighty pages of blue beam
UFO cases in my files, allright. Yeah, and not only that,
these blue beams served different functions.Okay, there's one case in I
believe it's Little Parish's files that anobject with the blue beam took out a

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Russian radar station. So it wasa weapon, it was a scanning device.
There was a case in England,two cases in England in nineteen ninety
five in Yorkshire, and in onea police officer saw the sw what looked
like an odd object, called into see if it was a helicopter over
a highway about my way. Theobject suddenly belined to him, shot a

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blue beam down on his land drover. He was afraid to get out of
it, and when the beam wentoff he got out. He looked up
and there was a massive triangle overhis head. And he theorized that nothing
happened to him, because abducting apolice officer might be more trouble than it's
worth. Okay, So he wasscanned and say rejected for abduction. Three

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months. Three months later, innorthern Yorkshire, maybe thirty miles away,
a girl was in the field readinga book. Because the train black triangle
comes up, all right, threemonths difference between these two cases. Scans
her, abducts her. She saidit was little Grays all right, and
when she's returned she was about fivehundred feet away from the book. So

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it's also a attractor beam, okay. And then when COVID came about,
we started to realize that germs canbe destroyed by using blue light. Okay,
So they're using it on a lotof buses and trains now. So
we also believe that this blue beamcan serve as a disinfecting agent before an

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abduction. Okay, that's really interesting. We only have like four minutes to
break. But the same thing kindof goes with the little bit that I've
studied. And I haven't did adeep dive like you do, Bob,
but the little bit I've read andinvestigated the blue orb phenomenon. Some people

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say that they're healing and other peoplesay they're harmful. What do you think
about that? It's interesting as faras orbs go, I think that there's
a lot of evil going on asfar as the UFO phenomenon, but with
orbs again, I go back toAlbert Rosalez's books, which are just fantastic

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in the reports that he has whereorbs turn into beings, sometimes small,
sometimes big. They'll have conversations witheach other in front of the witness and
they'll say, this one is sick, let's heal him. And all of
a sudden, the guy goes tothe doctor and his cancer is gone.
And all they did was turn backinto a ball and disappear. So the

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cases that have seen in Albert Rosales'sbooks suggest that that orbs, at least
the ones that turn into beings andthen back into wars, have some sort
of ability to cure people. Doyou think they're a drone or what could
these orbs be? Well, Imean I've looked into him for years.

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They have certain behaviors. I alwaystalk about the Mary Jones case in Wales
in nineteen oh five. She wasa preacher trying to do a revival and
whenever she spoke at this particular church, these orbs would come and hang out
over the church and when she'd leave, they'd follow her home. And there
were other There were so many peoplewho saw this. It had to happen.

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When she'd leaven her carriage, theywould follow her. When she'd make
a right turn, they'd make aright turn. They stayed with her for
an entire summer. Okay, Sothere's so many cases you know of orban
like behaviors where if people try tosurround them. There are cases where people
tried to trap an orb and itinstinctively knows how to go back. One

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woman's screamed and it shot off.But you can't. You can't surround an
orb. It will always get away. It's almost as if it has some
sort of rudimentary intelligence at at least. Wow, that is so fascinating.
So we have one minute to breakhere. When we come back from break,
I forgot to mention to give yourheads up, but started a new

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little game Bob called an Evening onEarth with an extraterrestrial. So I'll give
you the break to think about it. It's where on Earth would you be?
What food would you serve, whatmovie would you want them to watch,
what music would you listen to?And what one question would you ask?
So we'll play that after the break. But you know, speaking of
books and things like that, where'syour book because you have done so much

(56:23):
work. Are you thinking about perhapspublishing a book because we'd all love one
from you. I'm over four hundredpages right now. As a matter of
fact, I need to add anotherchapter, and that's what I'm going to
show you. I'm going to showyou. Yeah, what I've been doing
is I write them as articles andpretty much they either go to the move

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On Journal or to Outer Limits magazinein England, and so pretty much I'm
hoping this one that I'm going toshow you tonight's going to be my last
chapter. I've submitted this to OuterLimits magazine, so hopefully what I'm showing
you here is going to be anarticle of that. You worry that's published?
Cool, and Kathleen will ask aboutyour question when we get back from

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break. But it is break time, so we will see you on the
other side. You know, Ijust love that little film music. Could
shout out to my son Jesse,who created that for us. Anyway,
So let's play an evening on Earthwere an extraterrestrial with Bob. There we

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go, all right, So,oh, Bob your favorite ET person person?
I guess an ET wouldn't be aperson. Bean comes down to Earth.
We're on humanoid. Where on Earthwould you like to have dinner with
this? Et? Ayers Rock?Where's that the very center of the Australian

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Outback. It's a huge red rockthat's the remnant of a mountain range,
and it's got all sorts of petroglyphsgoing around it, and it's it's one
of the my fascinating places on Earth. Also one of the most beautiful places
I've ever been. Cool. Allright, hold on, let me write
this down, okay, And you'rehaving a drone fly in your food that

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you want to eat to try?What what food would you like him to
try? Him or her? ITHImy favorite? My favorite food really Okayuna?
It was salmon sushi. I don'tknow I love sushi or you don't.
I'm a don't. Actually it was. It was in Phoenix, Taro

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Stacey, right, gosh, doit. We're taking you to a sushi
bar and I did. All right, there's some of it wasn't so bad
there. I can't eat squid oroctopus sushi. That's you know what I
mean? It's salmon and I wouldlay off. Was sabi with the with
the alien? Right? Right?Yeah, that would be pretty funny though

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to see the reaction US for funrub it on his can to eat it?
Oh no, okay? And whatmusic is playing? Bob Floyd The
Dark Side of the Moon, DarkSide of the Moon, some sushi on
a big red rock in Australia.What movie are you going to recommend?

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My favorite? I'm gonna sound sentimentalhere, but it always like storm Man
all right, one, I haven'tseen that one. It's a really really
nice story, really really nice story. Is it animated? No, it's
a Jeff Bridges and Karen Allen.He's he comes down as a bull of

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energy. We send out voyager andit gets picked up and they think they're
being invited here. So he comesas a bull of energy. He goes
into he chrish Lands, goes intothis woman's house and she's she's asleep,
she's watching movies for recently deceased husband, who is Jeff Bridges, and the
takes the form of her husband,okay, and tries to communicate with her

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and then basically the United States governmentsafter Room and it comes to a really
cool climax. Yet so it's sortof like a love story, you know.
C I A I might have towatch that one tonight. Have either
of you here, Tara, haveyou seen No One Will Save You yet
on Netflix? Oh? I haven't. Have you seen that, Bob?
No One Will Save You on Netflix? No, there's no dialogue, zero

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dialogue in the film. I've seenit three times. Best UFO. I
think I love it. You guyshave to watch it, have to watch
it, all right? Okay,let me tell you that the most serious
UFO movie that I liked was TheArrival several years ago. What a twist
to that one, So okay,next question. I think it is Netflix,

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but it could be Hulu. I'mnot sure. Somebody out there maybe
knows. In the chat, Idon't know, but it's one of those.
So yeah, No One Will SaveYou I recommend that. But I'm
oh, yeah, she's seen thatthree times. Kathleen. Oh, let's
get to your question again. Sheasked about a red or What do you
think about the red orbs that peoplesay to stay away? Are the red

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ones bad? Well? I knowthat the red ones are the majority orange
red is by far the most predominantcolor. I don't in my experience,
I don't see most of the timeorbs sort of want to stay by themselves,
all right. They have peculiar patterns. They'll like break into you know,

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multiple ones, recombined drop things.It's like, as far as you
know, should just stay away fromthem. I mean, there's there's different
kinds of forbes. There's also likethe type of orbs that people claim to
see in cemeteries, which are likeparnormal. So in my experience from a
technical point of view, looking atthem as possible UFOs uh, I think

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that they're they're they're craft all right, with the purpose whoever is piloting them
or remotely or otherwise, that it'sa weather phenomenon, or that it's some
sort of transformation of one being froman ORB to you know, some sort
of you know shape that we wouldrecognize, in which case are we're dealing

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with an alien entity or something that'sinter dimensional. But the majority of ORB
cases that have studied there's nothing violent. But I do have a theory about
spontaneous combustion, and I believe thatall of these cases over the centuries,
even che'all's nick spontaneous combustion. Thesepeople that found and burned to death to

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a crisp and a chair and nothingelse ever goes on fire around them.
My theory is that they come incontact with bull lightning because bull lightning can
go through glass windows, it cancome up through storm drains and then it
explodes and it can actually set youon fire. And I think that people
researched when the spontaneous combustion occurred andif there was a thunderstorm before it happened.

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I didn't think that it could beit could be full lightning interacting with
the person and killing them purely.Yes, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah,
that's horrible. That's a horrible thingthat happens. And I know on
the Ranch and the Apple Report,the jock, the John Durr PhD,
the seismologist, talks about earthquake lightsas well, which is yeah, and

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that's another reason for these energy ballsa light to our earthquake lights. Okay,
last question. You get one questionfor this et. What is it
going to be? Bob uh,It's a hard one. Does he know
how the world's going to end?O? You would want to know?

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Now he's just asking if he knows, do you do you want to know?
I don't know. If I wantto know, I would want to
know. And it goes back toone of another pattern. If we're going
to talk about patterns again that Iwrote. I wrote a chapter on that
was published in that a limits magazine. People who are brought on to a
spaceship set in front of a hugetelevision screen and are forced to watch scenes

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of earth destruction? Do you knowhow prevalent that pattern is in ufology?
Why would aliens come across a galaxyjust to sit you down in front of
a big screen? And what makeyou watch the end of the world?
All right? Is it to geta rise? Is it some sort of
psychological experiment? All right? Butaliens seem to want to do that,

(01:04:28):
all right? So that if Imet an alien, that would be the
question I'd want to know. Sodo you know how the world ends?
Right? Maybe they want us towake up and come to our senses.
I'm going to you hear that alot, you know, save the planet
and a lot of people get veryenvironmentally aware and all that stuff. So
it could be one reason, allright. So I want to get into
Bob your research that you've been dubblingin this extra chapter you're going to add

(01:04:51):
to your book, So if youcan introduce us to what it is you've
been researching, Okay, I'll Ihave to go back to list here.
We had when I do the Casesof Interest presentation every summer at the muf
ON Symposium, and one of thecases we had was that a pot.
Two pilots were flying, one fromAustralia and one from Hawaii towards Vancouver,

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and both planes caught up with eachother and they saw look like a mile
long cylinder with satellites going around it. Several days later and one of the
pilots filmed it and I'll show youa picture of it a bit. The
same month, August of twenty twentytwo, there was also the Catalina Island

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case where there were the racetrack lights. This the same month, also in
a Pacific and the one pilot sawwhat looked like lights going around and around
and around. Another pilot going theother way saw what looked like a long
cylinder. So we investigated this thoroughlywith the mouf On Photo analysis team,
and it turned out that it wasactually a Falcon nine releasing a chain of

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Starlink satellites. Okay, and fromfar away, a pilot at like forty
thousand feet looking at something they believeis sixty miles away. It looks like
one long object, and this particularobject had a dark spot at one end
of it on the left side,all right, which turns out to be
important because the object was going eastaround the globe and that dark spot was

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actually the Falcon nine and the longwhite line after that were the starlinks.
Okay, So we started getting alot of these type of cases after May
of twenty nineteen, and that's becausethe first Starlink was launched in May of
twenty nineteen. All right, lotyaid so much. So there's a disclaimer

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on the side if you've seen this, Yeah, and we we have a
special thing on the CMS, youknow, investigator report called rapid clothes.
If you can determine it was aStarlink satellite, don't waste your time for
an hour, you know, investigatingthe report. If you can prove it
that it was Starlink launch one thirtyfive, you can close the case in

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like two minutes, all right.That's called rapid clothes. So I thought
that was fascinating, and then Istarted to see that there was a similar
phenomenon that was happening before May oftwenty nineteen, and that just took me
down a rabbit hole. Okay,sobbit holes. So, like everybody else,

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I'm fascinated with Elon Musk. Youknow, some people think he's a
good guy, a free speech absolutist. Some people think, you know,
he's the fairious and there's all sortsof stuff about him, what's going on
in his head because he claims thathe's, you know, slightly autistic,
but he's genius in a certain way. And he wouldn't be so unless he

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wouldn't be a billionaire unless he hadsome smarts. And so SpaceX fascinated me.
And obviously, besides Starlink, ElonMusk wants to colonize Mars. Okay,
so he wants to build these thisfleet of two hundred starships, and
he's testing them now. The firsttwo exploded. One exploded right away,

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the other one made it to spaceand then they had to abort it.
So that's where he is now inhis quest to colonize Mars. All right,
So let's bring up photograph number oneone Werena von Brun. Okay,
now we all know who Werna vonBraun is. Okay, warn A von
Brun achieved two things in his lifethat are really remarkable. One good one

(01:09:00):
bit. Von Brun was the firstperson to build a rocket that, with
modifications, was capable of reaching space. And it's the typical rocket shape that
people grew up with in cartoons.It has a point, bevels out at
the belly, slightly goes back inand has four tail fins. It's an

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iconic image. And basically von Brunn, who was a Nazi scientist, rained
down hell fire on London for severalyears. When the Allies captured a lot
of the Nazi scientists Russia, theSoviet Union as well, we got von

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Brunn, We got von Brun inabout one hundred and twenty other satellites,
scientists, Nazi scientists, and basicallythey were given a choice. You could
go to trial in Nuremberg and probablyhang for war crimes, or you could
be part of a secret project calledOperation paper Clip, and you can come
to the United States and work onour secret Cold war weapons program, which

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he and the other one hundred andtwenty scientists did so for a long time.
He was in New Mexico working onwhatever. He eventually in the sixties
goes to NASA and he is thefather of the Saturn five rocket that took
Neil Armstrong to the moon. Sohe had two remarkable accomplishments in his life

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when he got older. When heretired from NASA, he went to work
for fair Child Industries, and hispersonal secretary was doctor Carol Rosen, who
speaks at doctor Greer's seminars a lot. She spoke in two thousand and two
thousand and one at the New YorkPress Club about something very interesting Von Braun

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told her when he was dying ofcancer. And I'll get into that in
a little bit, but I'd liketo show the second picture, which is
what a V two rocket looks like. Okay, the entire world knows what
this looks like, all right.So what's very interesting is that when von
Braun was in New Mexico during thefifties, he decided to write a science

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fiction novel. And many people knowthis too. Elon Musk has even commented
on it, saying it was interesting. He wrote a book called Project Mars
and if you could skip to numberfour, I put them backwards order.
Okay, this is what he wrotethe nineteen fifties, and this is the
This book cover is actually from theoriginal drawings of what the project would look

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like, and it looks remarkably likea larger version of a fee To rocket,
which tail Fin's gonna use. Now. Elon Musk is currently trying to
colonize Mars, and if you lookat photo number three, that's Elon Musk's

(01:12:05):
starship. It has a startling resemblanceto a V two rocket and the original
artwork for Project Mars. All right, the novel that von Braun wrote.
In chapter twenty eight of his novelabout the Colonization of Mars, von Braun

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talks about the government and how itwould be run on a Mars colony.
Interesting. Yeah, So if yougo to number five you will see that
the German version this was not publishedin nineteen seventy one. By the way,
the year that Elon Musk was born, the leader of the Martian colony

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would be called the Elon Wow andElon Elon is a Hebrew word. Yeah,
it's what a coincidence, especially sinceElon Musk was born in nineteen seventy
one and von Brun died in nineteenseventy seven, so Elon was six years

(01:13:13):
old all right when von Brun died. So and this book was probably not
published till the year Elon was born. So there's the off chance that Elon's
father somehow read this book and decidedto call his son Elon. Otherwise,
there's no other logical connection as towhy von Braun used the word Elon.

(01:13:35):
Elon is a Hebrew word meaning oaktree. Okay. So yeah, so
here's where we get into it,getting a little weird. Okay. Photo
number six. Okay, this iswhat I was talking about earlier. This

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was filmed. This was part ofa video filmed by a pilot heading toward
Vancouver. And basically, when bothcrews got into Vancouver, they met each
other in the cafeteria, started todiscuss it, and one of them filed
a Mouffon report and submitted the video. And it looked like one long cylinder,
and the pilot said they thought itwas about sixty miles away. It

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was actually in space right above them, and on the left side is the
Falcon nine rocket. The space thereis the release of the satellites. Now,
I don't know how many people haveever seen them. I go I
live by a lake that's very dark. Whenever there's a new Starlink launch,
I go out and I stand inthe middle of darkness, pitch black,

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and I wait for the starlink becausethere's an app where you can tell exactly
when it's going to go over yourlocation. And the new ones are beautiful.
They're really really scary looking. Itlooks like just a string of lights
moving silently, you know, overyour head. So and basically what it
is is it takes about five minutesfor it to go over your head,

(01:15:01):
all right. So basically when peoplesee this, they don't know what it
is, a lot of people believethat it's some sort of cylinder, and
people actually draw these things, allright, And depending on your angle,
it will look like in some people'sdrawings, a cylinder with lots of portholes.
If you're looking at it at aslightly different place on Earth, it'll

(01:15:23):
actually look like two rows of portholes. It's a cylinder, and it's because
it's two rows of thirty satellites.Okay. I got to see it once
at the Get the Letout concert atRed Rocks, and it was just surreal
because there they are playing, youknow, go to over the hills and
far away over there, and Ilook up and here comes starlink, big

(01:15:44):
train of them I'm like, thisis cool. So I got it on
video. That's the only time I'veseen it. But it's an awesome site.
You're right, why is it different, Bob? Why why do they
look more beautiful now than they didbefore? It's just are they brighter?
Are they? No, they're actuallygetting darker. A lot of astronomers complained
it was interrupting them, so hestarted, I guess, painting them dark
or whatever. So the people usedto say they look sort of yellowish when

(01:16:08):
we get reports, and people didn'tknow what they are. Now we're getting
reports that they look greenish, Okay, And it's obviously whatever he did to
try to darken them. And thewhole point of Starlink is to provide internet
service to the world, especially placeswhere you can't get internet service. And

(01:16:29):
just last week Elon Musk announced thathe was going to be using lasers on
the Starlinks to reach like cruise ships. Okay, So they've come to another
generation of Starlings and he plans oncovering the Earth with sixty thousand starlingks.

(01:16:49):
Okay, And I'll get into thata little bit later, all right,
So the whole world is going tobe wrapped in you know starlinks, and
it's allegedly for internet service, andI believe it is, but I believe
that there's a second purpose for itthat is darker. Okay, and all

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right, let me just go tothe next one. The problem that I
had was when I was doing theProject Aquarius drawing gallery, I started to
find what appeared to be the samestarlink phenomenon prior to May of twenty nineteen,
and I couldn't believe that that waspossible. And in two thousand and
seven, a pilot flying across theEnglish Channel basically described what the pilots flying

(01:17:39):
to Vancouver described in twenty twenty two. All Right, it was actually he
said, two long objects with adark area at the one end. All
right. So I started to say, is it possible that Elon Musk was
launching Starling's as early as two thousandseven? Start? Did SpaceX even exist?

(01:18:02):
And then I'll go to number eight. Photo number eight. This is
from the Yukon in nineteen ninety six, And basically, this thing's traversing the
sky. It could be a starlinktrain that somebody is misinterpreting as a long

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cylinder with portholes. It's actually verysimilar in length to what you would see
going across the sky. And thereare those little satellites going around. So
let me just stop right here andexplain what the little satellites are, Okay,
because this confuses people. To escapeEarth's gravity, a starlink, a

(01:18:44):
Falcon nine has to be going seventeenthousand miles per hour once it achieves orbital
velocity, then it pops these rodswhich allow the falconine to release the starlink
train. So those rods, they'rejust flipping around at seventeen thousand miles per
hour, going along with the Falconnine in the starlink train. And that's

(01:19:05):
what these little satellites are that peoplethink are like little, you know,
drones around the mothership. It's justmetal pieces that pop off to allow the
starlinks to deploy. But this isfrom the Yukon in nineteen ninety six,
all right, And so if it'snot starlinks, it's it's very unusual that

(01:19:27):
we would be seeing the same phenomenon, all right. But I even found
the case going back to nineteen fiftyeight, and if you go to number
nine, this is from the Nightcapbook of nineteen sixty four and basically at

(01:19:47):
a Sack based Strategic Air Command inOmaha, Nebraska. At OpEd Air Force
Base, a general and upwards ofthirty people saw what appear to be a
long cylinder object with satellites around it, moving slowly across the sky. So

(01:20:09):
my question was, could you knowSpaceX or whoever be launching starlink satellites?
You know, decades before Elon Muskwas born. Okay, so what was
I going to say next? Ithink, oh so in nineteen fifty six,
to make now, at this pointnineteen fifty eight, the only thing

(01:20:31):
in space is like is like Sputnikin the US Explorer. Okay, the
first satellites. There's nothing else upthere. In nineteen fifty six, and
I found this in the Rotbelt files, Rupelt rights to Professor Doctor of Professor
Lincoln Lapaz, who was the Universityof New Mexico astronomer who was studying the

(01:20:54):
green fireballs in nineteen forty seven,and Rupelt writes to him and says,
I just saw an article that saysyou can prove that there are already two
satellites in space of unknown origin.Lincoln Lapaz's secretary wrote back to Rufehelt and

(01:21:15):
said the Associated Press should never havepublished that. The professor Lapaz denies he
ever said that, But the questionis, why would the AP print something
like that, if you know,out of whole cloth, unless Lapaz actually
did say something to him. Sothat puts that puts objects of unknown origin
in space before spot Nick. Okay. And then in fifty eight we have

(01:21:40):
what looks like a starlink launch anddeployment of starlinks from a Falcon nine.
I mean it would make sense rightthat. I mean, this is post
World War two. We're going toput things up in orbit that we don't
want other people to know that weput in orbit to spy on other countries
and write I mean that's right.Yeah. And back in nineteen fifty eight,

(01:22:03):
you know, some amateur astronomer inhis backyard is just going to go,
what is that? Nobody's going tocare or tell them all Right,
In nineteen ninety six, it's alittle more difficult because we have no rad
you know, astronomers telescopes are muchmore sensitive. We're using computers now.
But you know, is the governmentcapable of hiding these type of launches as

(01:22:25):
late as nineteen ninety six and twothousand and seven, So that nobody knows
what's going on. It's just mytheory. I don't know, or is
it time travel? Well, thisis what I this is where we're going
with this. Bernevon Brun when askedhow he developed the V two rocket after
World War Two, he said wehad help, all right, and he

(01:22:47):
never never clarified the statement. Now, a young astronom, a young UFO
buff whose collection Minti Tautfest of Muffanhad procured for us and will be scanning
soon. His name was Hayden Hughesand he was a UFO buff in the
fifties and sixties. He started outof fourteen years old. He actually had
the men in black at his houseby the age of sixteen. He wrote

(01:23:11):
a letter to von Braun all rightand said, do you believe in aliens?
And von Braun wrote back to thiskid and said, it's all apocryphal.
There's no proof that UFOs exist,that aliens exist. I've never seen
one until you can show me one. I don't think that that UFOs from
other planets are visiting the Earth.So von Brun specifically states he doesn't believe

(01:23:33):
in aliens. So who helped theNazis it wasn't the United States we were
at war with the Nazis. Itwasn't France, Britain, you know,
Australia. So who else could itbe? He was he was yeah,
he was well with the Soviet Union. He China didn't even have an air
force and they were our rally inWorld War Two? So who helped him

(01:23:55):
if not Aliens? All right?And my theory is that somehow von Brun
and Elon Musk are connected, allright, So the question is who went
backwards or who went forwards? Allright? Now, very interesting because this
is sort of mythological. Also,like, did did DMJ twelve group exist?

(01:24:18):
Did the Diglock project really exist?Th Glock meaning the Belt? What
were the Nazis working on? Well, whatever it was, they when the
Allies advanced, they killed all thescientists that were working on it and destroyed
all the evidence. Right, Soa lot of people have theorized that it
was a time machine. Let's supposethat we crashed at Kecksburg really was thy

(01:24:42):
Glock? All right? Now,Let's say the Nazis shot off a whole
bunch of them into different time zonesin the future. Because here's the problem
with building a time machine. Youcan only go forward that You can go
forward as far as you want,but you can only go back to the
point where the time machine was built. All right. So let's say diglocks
made it to our future. Theystole information, perhaps from Musk, right,

(01:25:08):
maybe they went to work as scientistsSpaceX. And then they get back
in the digloc and go back,all right to Nazi Germany as if they
were only gone for a day,even though they may have been gone fifteen
years stealing information. It's it's reallyweird that the Nazis were so far ahead
of every other country. They inventedthe fighter jet, the jet engine,

(01:25:29):
they invented the rocket, They mayhave invented, you know, flying saucers,
all right, How did they getthat knowledge? So far? They
were planning on nuking New York City, all right? How did they get
that far ahead of everybody else?In technology? Right? There's so many
black access projects, wasn't there?And what do you know, Bob about
Project Looking Glass? I don't knowmuch about it, but I was going

(01:25:51):
to talk to you about Project BrilliantPebbles, all right. So okay,
so let's go back Starlink in nineteensixty eight, I believe the very first
satellite broadcast around the world was theBBC showing the Beatles in a special singing

(01:26:12):
All You Need Is Love. Itwas like a LoveFest type setting. Big
Jaggo was there, Donovan was there, and they broadcast All you Need Is
Love all over the world with onesatellite. And I was always amazed that
now, in the twenty first century, you need sixty thousand satellites to broadcast
Infranet. All right. Made methink that there's something else going on with

(01:26:34):
starlink. So if you go tonumber ten, this is what a Starlink
satellite looks like when it's deployed.It looks like a looks like a big
on that movie screen, okay,looks like a Venetian blind that opens up.
Okay. So I want people tokeep this picture in their minds Now,

(01:26:58):
let's go look at the map ofstarlink positions how he wants to cover
the globe. All right? Oh, do you need that many starlink satellites
away the Internet over the middle ofthe Pacific Ocean? All right, Now,
let's go. Did you know thatstarlink was developed as the idea of

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starlink was developed as part of RonaldReagan's strategic defense initiative star Wars. It
was originally designed to be a militaryweapon, okay, and there were two
ideas at the time on how todo it. Tell her, the father
of the hydrogen bomb thought that weshould have satellites in space that could explode

(01:27:49):
a nuclear weapon and shoot an Xray laser that would take out dozens of
enemy satellites. Okay. His ideawas considered far fetched, and they said
something like that wouldn't be feasible tillthe early twenty first century, which is
now. And it's very interesting thatElon Musk announced last week that he's going

(01:28:12):
to be using lasers okay, onstarlinks going forward. All right. So
they came up with an alternative,and that was called Operation Brilliant Pebbles.
And basically this is the concept ofwhat Operation Brilliant Pebbles satellite is. And
it's basically to shoot out thousands andthousands of projectiles to take out hundreds and

(01:28:36):
hundreds of satellites, very easy,all right. It looks exactly like a
Starlink satellite. And look at theBrilliant Pebbles coverage map on the globe,
which is number thirteen. It's exactlythe same as starlink. So we're coming

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to the main point. And thenvon Braun was working at Fairchild Industries after
retiring from NASA. His secretary wasdoctor Carroll Rosen, and Fairchild Industries was
in an indirect way working on theStrategic Defense Initiative, possibly as early as
nineteen seventy seven. All right,And von Braun got cancer, and when

(01:29:21):
he was dying he told doctor CarrollRosen. He said, Carol, and
this is a quote from her,Carol, I want you to know that
what's going on in the future isgoing to be the weaponization of space,
and there's going to be certain signsthat you should look out for that will
happen. One will be that therewill be massive terrorist attacks, which began

(01:29:44):
happening in two thousand and one withthe World Trade Center in Bally and the
attacks in France in Paris. Allright. And he told her that the
second and that there would be aneed for more satellites and you know,
protection for the United States, youhave home land security coming into existence.
After that, he told her thesecond thing she should watch for is that

(01:30:06):
they're going to be worried about anasteroid hitting Earth, and they're going to
have to find a system to deflectasteroids, which is what they're doing right
now. They just whacked an asteroida couple of months ago. But he
says it's all a cover for theweaponization of space. And then he told
it the third thing that's going tohappen is there's going to be a fake

(01:30:29):
alien invasion, all right. Thatbrings us, That brings us the Project
Blue Beam, a book that aguy wrote in nineteen ninety six. This
isn't that, but I wanted thisgraphic because it basically shows you what they
want to do a fake alien invasion. And I believe that they were testing
the system as early as World WarOne with satellites where they beam images onto

(01:30:58):
the Earth's atmosphere. And if youlook at the starlink screen the satellite plosha,
it is a perfect movie theater thatI believe they're building it. That
they're building like a massive movie projectoraround the Earth. Okay, and it's
going to be able to project afake alien invasion. It's going to be

(01:31:18):
able to project a fake coming ofa messiah, all right. And the
guy that wrote this book in nineteenninety six, right after he wrote it,
the French government took his children awayfrom him and they put him in
jail. He gets out of jailthe next day he dies of a heart
attack. His friend, who ishelping him investigate Project Bluebeam, dies a

(01:31:43):
couple of weeks later of a heartattack. Also all right, as if
they were going to shut him down. So in the end, the fake
alien invasion is to usher in anew world order. And if you see,
you know, people like class Schwaband the World Economic Forum and those
type of people, that is exactlywhat they want to do. And so

(01:32:08):
I'm very concerned that the whole Starlinkthing had been planned out for half a
century or more. And I thinkthat von Braun, this is von Braun
was trying to tell us what wasgoing to come. He used the Elon
to let us know about Starlink andwhat it's really going to be used for.

(01:32:31):
He told his secretary in nineteen seventyseven before he died, watch out
for terrorism attacks, for fake asteroidcollisions, and for alien, fake alien
invasions. I think von Braun wastrying to tell us what Elon Musk and
the governments of the world were goingto do today. Wow, And Kathleen

(01:32:54):
brings up a good point. Imean, I know MUFON had a sighting
here in Colorado that shows almost likean obelisk in the sky. People are
seeing perhaps projections already. Maybe they'retesting things early. What do you think
of that, Bobby, Yes,there's actually last year and you can find
it in Italy, in Saudi Arabiaand either Brazil or Argentina people are seeing

(01:33:16):
projections in the sky of angels.This Also, there's a new movie or
I don't know if it's new ornot, but on Netflix there's it's Julia
Roberts. I think it's called Leavethe World Behind, and it kind of
speaks of that. And through thatfilm, I was thinking to myself,
are they going to show like afake alien invasion? And this has been

(01:33:39):
rumored for it quite some time,you know within the UFO community that this
could perhaps happen. And in thisidea of just a large movie screen where
they can project, I mean thatcan tie into some of these high stranges
locations that people are looking to,these arrays, underground sonic weapons and different

(01:34:00):
types of I don't know, nefariousactivities that and what do you think too
about is this perhaps why you know, certain well not only government but Air
Force is being hush USK because they'vebeen working on these things for decades.
Do you think that's part of thereason. Yeah, it's it's very interesting
that all of a sudden, we'renot tinfoil had conspiracy theorists anymore. Right

(01:34:27):
now? The government is really interestedand is these private corporations coming into existence
with dealing with investigating UFOs with AI. NASA is involved, the people who
have debunked most of all. Soand then you have David Grush all right
saying I've seen I've heard that there'snon human biologics. I've heard that there's

(01:34:48):
you know, off world careers debris. But he's you know, he's a
form intelligence agent, all right?Is he you know, throwing us red
herrings? Because the same time thatthey're saying, oh, we're gonna have
all these congressional hearings, the Arrowhearings and this, and that we're going
to be transparent this week, agroup of senators in the United States Congress

(01:35:12):
uh next uh the the U A, P D A and and miniaturized it
to the point where Congressman timber Shedsaid my colleagues are gutless. All right,
So there's there's this battle going on. But now think about this.
Oh, they're talking about transparency onone side. I keep bringing this up
because this is one of those storiesthat fell off the radar screen when they

(01:35:34):
shot down that Chinese bloom. Thenext week they shot down three objects over
the United States, or to overthe United States, went over Canada.
That's what my mouf On Journal articleis about. This this month, they
shot one down over Alaska, theyshot one down over the Yukon, and
they shot one down over Lake Uron. And the Lake Uron object was a
hexagon. Okay, and my artistis the one at the one today.

(01:36:00):
I messed with the instrumentation. Yes, arecraft yep. So they want they
talked about transparency on one side.If they were really transparent about things,
why not show us the fighter jetfilm footage of the shootdown. Hey,
we can see what it is.So they're playing us with this hand and

(01:36:20):
they're playing us with the other hand. What's really going on? And I
think it's they want to put itin our minds. Oh, there could
be aliens coming soon, all right, total setup for Project Looming. It
really is for the first time inhistory plausible that they could pull off an
operation that big. Wow. Sodo you think there's something going on?

(01:36:43):
It seems like the science is notthe science and stuff that's going on is
not the science that we're told is. You know, our physics are known
stuff, and you know, andhow did Werner von Braun know all and
stuff? Do you? So I'mcurious what your thoughts are as far as
consciousness. If he was able to, you know, travel in consciousness or

(01:37:08):
did he you know, why didhe know so much? Okay, so
let's say I think it's it wasphysical vehicles. So let's say diglock existed,
all right, these these Nazi spiesgo forward who have scientific background end
up getting jobs would say SpaceX orNASA in the future when they collect enough

(01:37:28):
information. So like what the Chinesedid was when they collect enough information,
they got back in their diglocks andwent back to Nazi Germany. And that's
how vom Braun was able to builda V two rocket. He got the
technology from the future that he invented. That's it's so. And then he
tried to tell us, you know, when he had cancer what he had

(01:37:50):
done basically, and he gave usa hint with the elon, you know,
very fascinating and what what of thesehearings? I believe that who was
it that said it? But inthe seventies somebody kind of was trying to
blow the whistle on the fact thatsome of these landed alien craft and alien

(01:38:15):
abductions were our own staged events.Or do you recall that, Bob,
and what do you what do youthink about that? Were they practicing for
that or or or what? Idon't know if I don't know that particular
incident, but I believe, Ireally believe humans are screwing with our timeline.
Where they're coming from, I don'tknow, but I'll give you I'll

(01:38:38):
give you another one of my favoritestories that I came upon that that really
is interesting. And I believe itwas five eighty one, a day the
King of Yemen was going to attackMecca. He had become a Christian,
and the Meccans at that time whichis now Saudi Arabia, they were animists.
They believed that, like you know, rocks were gods or whatever,

(01:38:59):
all right, So they weren't Islamistyet, all right. So when he
came with his big army, withhis elephants and stuff like that. A
ragtag bunch of Meccans came out tomeet him, including Muhammad's grandfather, and
they were round numbered. They weregoing to get wiped out all of a
sudden in the Kouran. In oneof the stories, like like a poem

(01:39:20):
type set of you know, prophecies, big black birds with pebbles in their
mouths came over the Yemeny army andessentially decimated them, wiped them out to
the man, all right. Andin later Islamic commentaries they also say that

(01:39:40):
the skin on the Yemeni soldiers felloff their bodies. All right, so
look at that. Yes, soto me, all right, it's Nuremberg
fifteen sixty one all over again.These were modern twentieth or twenty first century
fighter jets with cluster bombs, radioactivecluster bombs, taken out an entire army

(01:40:03):
in minutes. All right. WhyWell, later that year, Mohammad was
born in Mecca. So I believethat there was time timeline interference to ensure
that Mohammed would be born. Fascinating. So my question, Bob, maybe

(01:40:26):
this is kind of off topic,but do you think that it's a block
universe then to be able to messwith timelines like that, or do I
think it's a what universe? Ablock universe? I mean that all the
times already exist and so we canjust go or well, yeah, but
a lot of one of the theoriesis that you know, time is like
coordinates on a map. You alwayshave New York, Chicago and LA and

(01:40:47):
it's whether or not you can accessit or not. All right, it
is the question. There's there's alot of scientists working on that right now.
Actually, people like Eric Davis stuffare trying to figure out how to
bend space time. He did anentire white paper on it that I read.
So, yeah, I think it'sfeasible, and I think it's feasible.

(01:41:11):
Years ago they used to say,well, aliens would never come here
if they exist, because the distancesare too vast, all right. They
already know mathematically how to bend spacetime. So you could be at one
end of the known universe and beat the other end in literally a second.
If you have the technology to bendthe space time. Wow, that's
yeah. Let me ask you something, though, what do you think we

(01:41:36):
can look out for if something likethis occurs. Let's say this is going
on. First of all, whenI know you can't give a prediction,
but are we talking five years,ten years, twenty years in our lifetime?
And let's say all of a suddenwe're seeing craft and there's an alien
invasion. I mean, how arewe going to know if it's real or

(01:41:57):
fake? Right? People are goingto pass and if the government's in on
it, the media is going tobe in on it. And it's it's
you know, people like us,you know, who study this all the
time. We won't be fooled byit. It's like I'll be telling my
neighbor, don't believe this, don'tbelieve this, all right, But think
about the vast majority of people inthe world, all right, that not
the entire world isn't educated like theUnited States or Europe. I mean,

(01:42:20):
there's vast places on Earth where peoplewould fall for something like this, okay,
And it will cause panic, allright, It will cause economies to
collapse, and then you know,they throw in the fake Messiah on top
of it, and it's like,oh, you know, we need the
government to save us. We allneed to unite into one world order,

(01:42:43):
you know, And there are goingto be lots of people I think they
fall for it. Time wise,when do I think it could happen.
Well, the way things are goingright right now in the world, I
think it could be tomorrow, youknow, two minutes. Get your together.
And again, this is only mytheory. I could be so full

(01:43:04):
of it. It's not funny,you know, but let's just admit it.
I like that, Okay, I'mhere to tell you I'm full crap.
I don't know. I think youknow what, Bob, you do
your research and just knowing how doggedyou are about going through these archival files

(01:43:26):
and making the connections, because atthe end of the day, that's why
we're all here, our listeners,you me, Tara, we're looking for
those connections, those puzzle pieces.How does that? And you're you're the
master at that. So if you'reconnecting these dots and then you're you're going
deep into the time. You know, time is not linear, right,
It's all out there, and Ibelieve it's feasible too. Like so,

(01:43:48):
I you know, I don't know, you could be onto something that the
guy, the guy who's the masterof patterns was was Jim Mars, all
right, that guy is crazy inthe patterns. You know. And the
other thing is that that we're weare in a matrix, all right,
And there's actually scientists today that aretrying to come up with like thought type

(01:44:11):
experiments to see if we might actuallybe in a computer simulation. And one
of the one of the interesting uhtheories that they have is that if if
we are in a massive CPU,Okay, there's got to be ways to
test if the CPUs drawing too muchenergy, all right. So one way

(01:44:32):
you can do that is when youget close to a black hole, time
slows down because of the enormous amountof energy. So does a black hole
actually slow down the CPU's program allright, operating system because it's using so
much energy. So that that isa way they're trying to think about whether

(01:44:53):
or not we are in a massivecomputer. It's really crazy that the ideas
that people are coming up with rightnow, right, and that ties back
into Elon Musk saying that the chancesof us being a base reality is very
very very very very very small.Then and then that gets into a whole
other topic like if we are inthis mass game or whatever you want to

(01:45:14):
call it, I call it agame maybe like Tarot's in mine and Bob's
and mine and you know, butmaybe there's like endless amounts and infinite amounts
and everybody is having different experiences indifferent realities. So and another thing about
about Musk is that one of thethings in the book Project Bluebeam is that

(01:45:36):
the governments are going to use mindcontrol devices and a digital currency. All
right, and think about this.They're trying to implement digital currencies right now.
And what's one of Elon Musk's othercompanies. It's Neurallink, all right.
So is I mean, are thesejust all disparate facts or is it

(01:46:00):
a coincidence or is this something goingon? Yeah, I'm neural linked up.
Where does bid bigelttle player role inany of this? Is he connected
into any of this or is hejust out there on his own planet?
You know? I don't know.But do you know how he got interested
in UFOs? Do you know thestory? I don't. When he was

(01:46:20):
a boy, his grandparents got runoff the road by an orb by red
I do remember hearing that. Andwhen he when they told him the story,
he said, I'm going to findout what this is. And he's
dedicated his whole life to trying tofind out what it is. Wow,
hey Bob, when you were onthe show last time, you mentioned something

(01:46:44):
about subliminal advertising. Is that doesthat ring a bell or what? I
had no notes about that? Whatwas that? I don't remember talking about
that. I took college courses insubliminal advertising. Oh yeah, I mean
how they in a glass of vodkawith ice cubes, there's naked women and
they can suddenly make you you know. I mean they've been doing that for

(01:47:11):
decades. All right. If yougo into a supermarket and you listen closely
to the music that's playing, sometimesyou'll hear be a good citizen, don't
by peanut, But bye Jeff,Yeah, by Jeff. They really do
that. Are good for you,paps are good for you. I mean,

(01:47:33):
as early as the nineteen sixties,the CIA has the ability to put
thoughts into people's heads. Imagine whatthey can do now that we don't know
about. Well, there's all thesecommercials now with aliens and you didn't used
to see that, but everything nowis making a connection with aliens. And
I'm wondering if that's part of thecontrol, or if that's part of some

(01:47:54):
of the message that's conditioning us too. Yes, and there's actually a term
for that. It's called gradualism.All right, Yeah, we gradually make
you acclimate to a certain idea orconcept. All right. Wow, so
we should have a word of theday on the show, or a word
of the week. The word ofthe week, we'll have to prepare.

(01:48:23):
I mean, that happened just theother day. And I mean it's one
thing to search something in a Googlesearch and then have it pop up on
your Facebook ads and everything. Iget that, Okay, I've accepted that
that's happening. Now looking at somethingon the internet, there all of a
sudden, it's in my face,buy me, buy me. But now,
just recently, I was at awell, I don't remember what store.

(01:48:44):
It was, some store and we'rejust looking at an item, just
talking about an item. I'm notsearching it at all on the internet or
my phone. And on Facebook todaythat very item pops up and it's a
unique item. It's just something.It's like a wooden tool box kind of
thing. And I'm like, waita minute, I didn't even search this,
and here it is now on myFacebook. So it's listening to us

(01:49:05):
too. Do you know anything aboutthat? No? But I know that
it's happened to me also, allright, it's like I had to go
to a doctor about my shoulder,and you know, before I even made
the phone call, I saw inhead on Facebook for like lathroscopic surgery.
Of course, how did they knowthat? Ai? AI. It's actually

(01:49:28):
very terrifying. So we only haveI don't know how many minutes maybe five
minutes till we wrap up. Butwith all the work you've done on this
Project Aquarius and Project Mars, whatstands out to you, Bob, what's
some of your like, Oh,my gosh, like ah, the things
I think people will find the Beltfiles very very interesting. He seemed like

(01:49:53):
he was a really really nice guy. He was on the fence about it,
but he had opinions on every buddyhe did not like. He did
not like men He didn't like Menzelat all, all right, that that
will come out when you read hisfuss. But he was he was very
fond of Heinich. He thought thatHeinich had a curiosity and believe that Heinick

(01:50:15):
would eventually become a believer, andit turned out that Heinich did, all
right, So so I think RouteBelt was really an interesting set of files
to read. And my favorite,of course because I did it because I
like this kind of thing, wasthe drawings gallery and the patterns that I
found because I'm very visually stimulated,and I think a lot of people will

(01:50:36):
find the drawings gallery really really fascinating. Yeah, I find it interesting that
you, yeah, that you foundcorrelations between like, wow, we're getting
in a lot of oblong now we'regetting a lot of triangles. I mean,
that does make a statement that sayssomething. And I've noticed that too,
and that's wonderful about those books thatyou like that go like decade to

(01:50:57):
decade. Who's the author again,Albert Risalez that the Humanoid series of the
others among us. Yeah. Theother thing in the drawings galleries, it's
not only vehicles there. We havea lot of entity drawings. What people
see a lot of scary ones withthe entities over the bed. They're really
scary. And we also have lotsand lots of symbols that people believe they

(01:51:23):
forgive. And my ultimate goal isis to grab those symbols, throw them
into an AI program and see ifit's gibberish or if there really is something
to that's interesting. I know,Tara. Tara did a little segment on
here where she one week did someof the crafts that is in the mars
Nat device and the et entities.And I find that to be really fascinating

(01:51:45):
because there's so many similarities yet differences. What kind of kind of speaks to
me that we play a role inwhat we perceive as well in my opinion,
you know, well, that's that'sa very quantum mechanical you that the
observer, you know, interferes withyou know, the experience by just observing
it. So and are they givingus screen memories to remember things by,

(01:52:10):
Yes, that's the other thing.Yeah. And the owls and Mike Clellan,
I mean, did you get didyou come across drawings of owls or
any other things like that? Yes, what's interesting in the CMS if you
remove on member and you can goto the one hundred and thirty five thousand
cases, you can do keyword searches. And I don't think many of our
members know that. And if youtype, if you type an owl,

(01:52:33):
you'll be surprised that how many hitsyou get, all right, So yeah,
so I probably believe that screen memoriesare an actual phenomenon with the UFO
for sure. Cool. Well,I want to take this time to thank
you Bob Spearing for being here andthank you for your unbelievable work and dedication.
Honestly, you do incredible work,and I really want to thank you

(01:52:55):
for that. Thank you Tara,thank you Chanel, and thank you for
sharing your sighting story that was reallyawesome. Thank you to Bill Skywatcher and
kJ Ray and especially to all ourlisteners. And I want to wish everybody
out there, whatever you celebrate,be happy, be relaxed, don't stress
about this UFO invasion. We allknow it's not real, so we can
look back with our hot coco.Hey, could I just tell Bill thank

(01:53:19):
you very much for kg e rayssupport and helping us promote promote the project
to queries. Thank you Bill andeverybody else. K right, everybody,
have a great night. We'll seeyou and not next week but the week
after. Have a good Christmas,everybody. Good night,

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