Thiago Luiz Ticchetti

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Episode Transcript

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in the universe? As you know, that big Mufon Symposium is coming up
this weekend. Should be flying outtomorrow, but unfortunately I won't be able
to make it this year. ButI hope all of you that are going
this year, including our very veryspecial guest tonight, all the way from
Brazil. He is live with usfrom Brazil, so I can't thank him

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enough for being here at Thiago LuisTachetti. He will be speaking at the
symposium this year in Cincinnati, sohe has a long flight ahead of him
here in a couple of days,and we are so excited that he is
joining us tonight on mufon What's Up. I am your host Kadi Page,
the Colorado Muffon State director and MARSadministrator. Also, I'm the author of
Letters of Love and Light, fourdecades of UFO Encounters, experience and sightings

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shared with upologist R. Leo Sprinkle, which is a compilation of all his
letters that he received back and forthfor over forty years. So you can
find that on my website Katie Pagedot net. Shameless plug. I know,
but every now and again I gotto sneak that in there for you
guys. I you know, Thagoalso has a book about letters, so
we'll talk to him about that toowhen he comes on the show. I

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would like to bring in my cohost, Shane Hurd. Shane Hurd is
also the author of a great book, A Beginner's Guide to Field Research and
researching UFOs. That's Shane's specialty andit's an excellent, excellent book. So
if you're interested in becoming an investigatorand researching UFOs, I highly recommend recommend
Shane's book. So I hope youcan check that out as well. The

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move On Symposium, you know,this weekend. Also, I think there's
a couple of spots open for thatFI training on Thursday, So if you're
around the area and you can getthere, I highly recommend that training as
well. And I know everybody islooking forward to that big event. Also,
another event I'd like to bring upis that phenomenon September sixth through the

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ninth in Vernal, Utah. Andif you're into the High Strangeness phenomena,
this is an excellent event to attend. They're out in Utah. Our other
co host, Tara Daulas, sheis on vacation, like on this beautiful
yacht, Shane, did you seethose pictures she sent? She's like on
this beautiful yacht on Lake Tahoe,right, so pell Lake Powell, Lake

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Powell gorgeous. I mean the oneshe had with the arch and I'm like
so jealous. Anyway, I hopeshe's having a great time, but we
miss you, Tara, so getback with us next week. As you
know, the world of ufology losta couple of its fondest members, researchers,
pioneers, least Bagel. So Ijust wanted to give a shout out

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rest in peace, Lee Spiegel.You are just greatly sorely missed by so
many in the field. It wasjust really sad news to hear about Lee.
And also we lost David Perkins.And maybe some of you aren't familiar
with David Perkins, but David Perkinswas pioneer and the cattle Mutilations phenomenon,
was good friends with Christopher O'Brien anddid so much work with the cattle mutilations

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back in the seventies, eighties andforward. And so we just lost two
great, great pioneers and researchers thislast week. So always sad to hear.
They just don't make them like theyused to, even with doctor Sprinkle,
you know what I mean, Justthat hard driven writing letters, reading
the books, doing the interviews,so much of it now, you know,

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And I'm sure your book talks alot about that too, right Jane,
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they'llbe sorely missed. And I always
just say, like newer generation ofUFO researchers and investigators stand on the shoulders
of those giants. The persistence andthe work that they the foundation that they

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laid is just yeah, it's hardto take, but I wanted to acknowledge
that as well. That's so true, it's so true. I really admire
so many of those pioneers. Sofor since TERA's not here, I tried
to fill her shoes just a littlebit. I found one little comic I
thought was kind of cute. It'sa spiral graph. So here comes the

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UFO and he's like, hand methe red pen. Do you remember these,
Shane? I thought you were sofunny. Yeah, that's the sixties
thing for sure. Seventies, sixtyseventies. I mean, I don't know.
I still think you can find himtoday, like in the vintage toy
section. You can still get thesethings. Yeah, there's so much fun.
And who knows, maybe that's howcrop circles are done. And we

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can ask the Algol if they getmany crop circles there in Brazil. I
don't know. I know they're verypopular in the UK, but I'm not
so sure about Brazil. So that'ssomething I'm anxious to ask him all about.
And do you, Shane have ado you have a have you heard
this week? I sure do,Katie? Have you heard that science is

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taking up more seriously? And thisis kind of a continuation of my discussion
last week where you when we getthese UFO reports, we have to consider
the source right and the credibility factor. And what I've been noticing I follow
a lot of the science magazines andsome of the news related to that,

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and I've noticed more and more thatthe world of science is taking up more
seriously, or at least the notionand the possibility of extraterrestrial life. And
there were a couple examples I wantedto share it from this week I thought
were really interesting. Okay, Soone I'm taken from an article froma Today

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and the author was Eric Legata andthe title of it is Researchers discover mysterious
interstellar radio signal reaching Earth and thenin quotes and an exclamation point, it
says extraordinary. So that caught myattention. Why is this extraordinary? So

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I'm going to just read a coupleexcerpts from this mysterious radio wave pulses from
deep in space have been hitting Earthfor decades. We know about that,
right, we've heard of the farbis a fast radio burst, that kind
of thing. But the scientists whorecently discovered have no concrete explanation for the

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origin of the signals. So thatgets our attention, right, it's a
mystery. So for thirty five years, a strange blasts of energy and varying
levels of brightness have occurred, likeclockwork, approximately every twenty minute, sometimes
lasting for five minute intervovals. That'swhat curtain university astronomers from the International Center
for Radio Astronomy Research. It concluded, and that appeared in the Nature Journal,

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which is, you know, aprimary release regarding the media and new
discoveries of science, so that's apretty prestigious journal. It says that the
discovery of the signal, which researchersnamed get this it's really catchy GPM J
one eight three nine dash ten andit has baffled and it says believed to

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be coming from around fifteen thousand lightyears away from Earth, and it's been
occurring at intervals that you know,are a little bit different than what they've
observed in the past, and thelead author of this paper, doctor Natasha
Hurley Walker, said in a statementthat this remarkable object challenges our understanding of

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neutron stars and magnetars, which arefrom the most exotic and extreme objects in
the universe. So how is thisrelated to possibility of UAP Because within the
article, the next subheading is isit a sign of extra terrestrial life?

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And that says not so fast.But the very fact that they mention it,
I think is important. But itgoes on to say, before you
go assuming that ET is trying tophone home to our planet, researchers do
have other theories that may be causingit. So it goes into kind of
an explanation about, you know,the activity of these neutron stars and magnus

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stars, and and it also hearkensback to me for SETI, for example,
most of us we know about SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence,
and it's a group of astronomers thatoriginally funded in the sixties. I think
it was started by Frank Drake.Today we're familiar with names such as sets,

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Show Stack and and Jill Tarter.They're they're still leading that effort and
their whole principle is to look forsignals that come from outer space and and
see if they might indicate you know, ah, non human intelligence. So
right off the bat, you know, science, uh, you know is

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interested in discovery of of other life. And that's just one example. Of
course, we know that over theyears, you know, they've not produced
a lot of results. I know, in the nineteen seventy five a signal
was received and the astronomer wrote inthe margin of the dot matrix printed report

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that he got wow in the signal. And now it's called the Wow signal.
And then of course now we're lookingat these you know, these these
fast radio versts, and it's stillkind of a mystery. And so so
the logic and the principle behind itis still solid. It's signed that this
is just one methodology for determining ifextra terrestrial life may exist. Right,

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So I think for us in thein the UFO field, we should be
embracing these efforts. And I knowit's slow and coming and it's a little
bit frustrating, and they just diptheir tone in the water and they pull
it back real quick. They don'twant to, you know, commit But
we're seeing stories from NASA, JPL, other scientists, other scientific organizations and

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universities participating in these sorts of efforts, and they're at least considering a possibility
that it could be extra terrestrial life. And you know, twenty thirty years
ago that they weren't doing that.They were just laughing. Yeah, They're
like, what are these people?Are they nuts? That? I think
they didn't even think that there waslife out there in the universe, which

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is just outrageous to us now knowinghow fast it is, you know,
I'm curious. I mean how longI know, like in the movie Contact
right with Jodie Foster, like thefirst signal that they received was like Hitler's
speech, which is terrifying, Right, yeah, how long does it take
for our transmissions to get to whoknows where? And what are they hearing?

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And how are they interpreting what they'rehearing? You know. I love
the idea of like sending music likethey did, you know, children children's
voices from around the world, youknow, in different languages. To me,
I mean almost gives me goosebumps becausethat's the kind of message I would
love to receive from somewhere else inour galaxy. You know, but that'd

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be cool to hear music. Yeah, we're and we're so we're so duplicitous
and humans, right, we canbe so beautiful and wonderful and then we
can be so bad, you know. And it is my hope as well
that you know, they see thegood side of us. But it's interesting
you bring that up because another storywas talking about in nineteen ninety four,

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we sent this signal out to spaceand it was directed at a particular star
and tomorrow is the day that theyexpect that signal to reach that star.
And so this is a group ledby astronomers in Japan, and so they
are the gist of the articles thatthey wanted to uh you know, see

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if they get a response, right, if if they if it got received,
if they if they get a responsefrom it. So I thought that
was kind of interesting too. Soagain it just shows everybody is interested in
right, human beings want to knoware we alone or not? And uh,
you know, notwithstanding our experiences andabductees and contactees and many of us

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that recognize that there's an intelligence interactingwith mankind right now here on Earth,
uh, you know, scientists aren'tready to go there without the proof,
but at least they're sniffing around itand they're applying scientific principle that will help
ultimately prove it. And we justhave to be patient, right right,
and hope we get those music.I'm just so curious now I'm going to

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think about that. You have tothink there's music and dance almost in every
culture right in so it'd be reallycool that's what comes through somehow, some
way. So anyway, that thatis a great have you heard, Shane.
I really enjoyed that, and I'mreally glad that science is starting to
at least consider the possibility of actuallyterrestrial life in our galaxy. So we

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are going to move along. Tarausually does a mare sneak peek, but
she'll back be back next week soand there's gonna be big announcements at the
symposium on that. So I'm excitedfor her to come back and share that.
But I do have a case ofthe week that I'd like to share,
and it's case number one, three, two, five, one eight
came as a category one. Butwe'll see if you think, We'll see

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what you think about it, Shane. This occurred on July thirteen, twenty
twenty three at nine thirteen pm.And I might mess this up too,
so for those of you who livein Kentucky, sorry Aldolphus, Kentucky.
So the report goes like this.Nine seconds in the video, an object
comes out of the cloud. Itseems to be fired out of something.

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There was a similar sighting in thatsame town during the day in January tenth
of twenty twenty two. So theonly evidence that FI had was this twelve
second video that clearly shows an objectshooting out of a large cloud at a
very fast speed, and the casewas closed as an unknown UAV. But
before we share, so I havethe original video, the twelve second video,

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and then I have slowed it downtwice. The last video, I
lightened it up a little bit.So we're going to run that first one,
but you're going to see a streakwhich is probably an insect. But
the more I slowed it down,it's like a flash a streak and then
what you're going to be looking atin the center of your screen, and
it's really fast the first time.That's why I slowed it down twice for
you. So there's a lightning stormand you could see these flashes, but

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what was really cool, Shane isif you really slow it down, you
can almost see it moving within thecloud. It makes a ninety degree turn
and then just shoots up out ofit. So let's roll that original twelve
second video that the witness sent in. So you're looking at that lightning cloud
here and you're going to see astreak go through. It was almost too

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fast to see, right, itwas like really fast. So let's do
that slow down video number one.Please see at that time? Did you
see at that time? Yeah?Yeah, okay, so Chanella, let's
run number three again. Maybe wecan do that a couple of times.

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The third one. Yeah, whatdo you think of that, Shane?

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Yeah, well, the little dogleg it takes is pretty interesting, right,
you know storm activity too, Yeah, that's that's interesting. Uh well,
I'm glad they closet isn't unknown then, you know. Yeah, And
you know, breaking down a videolike that's not easy, especially in the

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dark, but that lightning really helped. And I have to say here in
Arizona, we have these big duststorms. They call them huboobs, and
I'm not kidding you. Just aboutevery time the TV likes to show them,
right, the news channels because they'revery impressive to look at. Almost

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every time you see these objects withinthe dust cloud. And you know,
I'm sure you could say, well, maybe it blew something up from the
ground, but no, this isvery different. And so I don't know
what it is about clouds and storms, but up seem to like it.
And the thing too. I meanit perhaps as a bug that first flash
you see, but when you're lookingat that big, huge lightning cloud that

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is not an insect and there itwould be way too large and it can't
be a bird. It almost youcan see it kind of in the cloud
and then it kind of does thismotion like almost like so I thought,
could it be a bird? Arethe wings being But it would be way
too large to be a bird.I mean, that is a big cloud
because you have the trees for acontrast, So that would be too large

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of an object to be a bugor bird. And the way it shoots
up into the atmosphere like that,I don't know. I think the investigator
did a fantastic job on this oneand closing it as an unknown. Yeah,
you a v for sure. Sothat is the case of the week
that this week, And remember,are you guys if you guys see anomalous

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activity out there, make sure yousend in those reports to move on so
it can be investigated properly. Youknow, our investigators, they go through
a lot of training. Like wementioned earlier, there's a lot of great
classes being offered at the symposium thisyear. And you know the manual Hoftick
is the manual, Shane, Yeah, and that's true. So I know

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typically we go to the to thethirty mark. But since we don't have
Terra and extra cases this week,and we're gonna get back to Bob next
week. He's gearing up for thatbig symposium as well, so he was
hard to pin down, but he'llbe back next week week as well.
But let's bring in our guest.He's going to talk about some really cool
cases and I'm really excited about onein particular because I think it has the

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similarities there to that case of theweek. So let me read his bio
here really quick, and then we'llbring him in. And I apologize ahead
of time if I mince mispronounced anythinghere, so bear with me, folks.
So okay, Thiago Luis t Chettihas been a researcher of the UFO
phenomenon for almost thirty years. Hewas Vice president of the UFO Research Group

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ANAT Brasilierra da Estados Extraterrestrials in Brazilfor almost ten years. He is also
co editor and columnists for Revista Ufo, columnists for the British magazine UFO Truth,
President of the Brazilian Commission of Ufologist, National director of MOUFON in Brazil,

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Field researcher certified by Moufon and memberof the Star Team for Moufon.
He is the author of fourteen books, and his UFO book, UFO Contacts
in Brazil can be found on Amazon. He is also the author of dozens
of texts for Revista UFO magazine andother uphological publications. He has participated in

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several programs on the History Channel,net Geo and Discovery, as well as
radio shows, podcasts and interviews.Thiago Louise holds a degree and Business Administration
in Executive NBA and is currently studyingan MBA in International Cooperation and Public Policy.

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So please welcome to the show.Thiago Luis Chetti Welcome. Let's get
you on muted here. I thinkwe're muted. It is a pleasure to
have you on the show. Thankyou so much for taking the time so
late at night there from Brazil.Thank you very much for innovation. Thank
you Katie and shaming for everybody thatare watching us, well, it's a

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pleasure to have you here. Andlike so many, I'm always so curious
of what got you interested in thetopic of UFOs so long ago. Did
you have a personal encounter of yourown? Well, I always said it.
I was born with us in myblood since I was a kid.
I when I started to read,I started to read like superheroes, comic

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books like Spider Man, Captain America, and the UFO magazines in Brazil.
And when I was when I waseight years old, I saw a UFO
is a close encounters zero kind becauseit was just a ball flight but came

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from the sky and stopped it ina mountain and then rise it again and
make up penal movement and just shootto the to the to the to the
stars. And when I moved toBrazilia in ninety ninety four and ninety fourtune
ninety five, I started research.So it's almost thirty years research in the

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UFOs. That's incredible. I mean, Brazil is I mean it's a mecca
for UFO activity. When you werean eight eight year old boy and you
had that encounter, were you withyour parents? Were you alone? Was
this at night? I mean itwas a night. It was before eight
o'clock because I had to go tomy house eight o'clock, so it was

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before, but it was night.I was with my friends and uh,
and my brother and my father.My father was a Brasilian Air Force pilot,
so even I was six eight yearsold, I knew it was a
balloon or a plane or a helicopter. And then we were talking about ninety
eighty two. Now now you knowhow old I am. And there's there's

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no drones or satellites, and thesky is so much satellites in sky is
ninety eighty two in the What thewas was nothing I never seen before and
I never saw yet in my life, So it was a quite different things
that I saw that that night.It's amazing. Were you the only one

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that saw it? Or were withyou? Were you with people when you
you saw it? No, Iwas with my brother and friends. But
my brother he doesn't remember that,and I don't know why, and he's
always uh joking me. Wow,you saw nothing. It's nothing. Is

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this a big brother or a littlebrother? Is a little brother? Little
brother giving you a crap? Oh? No, the big brother? Huh
yeah, I am the brother.Yeah, you're the big brother. So
your dad being in the air force, do you ever talk to your dad
about this phenomenon and has he everencountered anything? Does he fly jets or

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what does he do for the airYes, it was a jet flight jet
fight pilot from the Brazilian Air Forceand he loved the subject as well.
But we never had the opportunity todiscuss it because he passed away when us
when I was eighteen eighteen years old, so we had no opportunity to discuss.

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But he gave me the first bookthat I read. It was The
Charts of Fire from Erica Fontaniican Chartsof Gods Gods Fontanikan. Yes, and
he was my first book I read, and there was amazing and opened my
mind, you know, and thatthis book was belonging to him, and
he gave me And when I metErica Fondani for the first time, I

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met him several times, but whenI met for the first time, he
gave me an autograph. Below thenames of my father's name. That was
in a book. It was asecond edition of the book in Brazil.
It was nineteen seventy one book andRick Fandeic just signed blow my my father's
signed her. That. That isreally cool and it makes me think,

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I mean that that first of all, that is a book that got us
so many of us interested and hookedancient alien theories suggests, you know,
but it makes me wonder that perhapsyour father had an interest, something might
have stirred that for him to purchasethat book to begin with. So that's

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kind of compelling, you know,that's really interesting. And he never never
saw something. He never saw Oh, he never saw anything. No,
But a friend of him a fewyears ago he got in contact with me
and he said, well, yourfather saw something. We are we are

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just a brand new pilots. Weare in a in a base and more
the two hundred pilots saw you overthe base. But my father never told
told me that, And I don'tknow why I have to. We don't
have time to discuss that. Butmy father in law who passed away,
also he saw a UFO when Iwas he was fighting fighting a plane College

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Chavanti eighty X twenty six. Chavantiis a fight a fighter jet fighter as
well, and he saw it andhe gave me his testimony to my YouTube
channel and he never talked, well, it's a extra terrestrial chep. No
I never saw. Tad told methat he just set up. It was

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something that I never saw. Soit's a UFO. Yeah, that is
fascinating. I mean, that's alot of UFO activity in your very own
family. How about in Brazil ingeneral. I don't want to put you
on this for a certain number,but what kind of volume of reports occur

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in your country and and are theykind of concentrated around population centers or do
you get a you know, asmattering or reports around both rural areas as
well. Well. It's that veryhard to tell how many cases we have
in Brazil. I got five tosix e mail every week with people send

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me a photos or videos or testimony. In Brazil, the most case happened
in the inner inner country, youknow, but we have we have also
sites in capitals or big cities inBrazil, but the most part happened in

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our country, and that we don'tget that information because we don't have the
you know, the net to connect. People live in in a very remote
places and they know and they neverfor them for that, people that live
in a country, it's so normal. It's a routine for them to see

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something like that. Really, theyare very used to see that. So
Okay, we saw a light inthe sky, a fire ball in the
sky. Okay, it's okay forthem, it's fine, it's normal,
right, you know, And thathappens here in the States as well.
I mean, and excuse the data. I mean, Cheryl Costa can tell
you, like, you know,we have you look, yeah, you

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look at these cities in these populatedstates have the highest you know, Arizona
gets a lot of reports, Phoenix, California, you know, Denver,
but a lot of these rural areas, even here in the United States,
they don't. First of all,they don't typically report it. I think
because it is more common you seethese anomalies in the sky, and they

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don't necessarily have the means or accessto do it. For whatever reason,
small small town mentalities kind of keepmore to themselves, right do you do
you find that too, Shane?Yeah, yeah, I think that that
is very true. Uh, youknow kind of uh, you know,
independent people living in in the ruralparts of the country and and you know,

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they just take that stuff and stride. So yeah, I'll bet the
ratio of of sightings versus reports hasprobably got to be one hundred to one,
maybe more, I don't know,but there's there's a lot of reasons
for it. But yeah, Iwas just curious with Brazil and also how
does the Brazilian government treat the issuequestion? Yeah. Yeah, the brazil

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was the first culture to to acceptthe UFOs back in ninety fifty. We
accepted to start to study the phenomenon. Back in the fifteen the sixty In
the seventy we had the plate operationin in north of Brazil where the a
crew of the of militaries went tothe to the city of Collidis because people

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were being attacked by UFOs. Thefos were shutting raise beanos, lights in
people and they got sick. Theygot a name Ya and the mayor of
the cities and the authorities of thecities are very concern and were because the

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city was getting like ghost cities.The people left were living the cities afraid
of the UFOs. Of they callit supa shupa suck suck because the the
who sucked the blood from the people. Yeah, that's a famous case from
the Yea, the famous case,and they govern the Brazilian meant, well,

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we don't have we don't take alot of attention that the subject deserves.
We have a lot of problems here. We have a social problem,
we have economic problem, we havea political problems. So a UFO there,
it's a problem that we don't wantto care to care about priority.

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If a UFO land in the middleof the Brazili the capital of Brazil,
Okay, well, okay, butlet's talk about economics, let's talk about
political and then we'll see if you'refor our hostels are not so the president
paynotation Okay, but it's it's notyou know, it's not our agenda.

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It's not very important to us.Yeah, it is a tricky augo that
Brazil does have kind of more ofa history of these attacks or fearful encounters
more so than you know, theseyou know, gent whole beings coming I
mean, is that has that beena pattern in Brazil? You have more

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cases of that are gonna show inand a move from sympos in some cases
that's very terrified. But in Brazil, we have all kinds of contacts.
We have a good good context,we have a bad contact, right because
you know the theme of the symposiumis friend or Foe, And maybe you
can talk to us a little bitabout what you'll be presenting about what your

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opinions are on friend or foe withoutgiving away the farm. You know people
are going to the symposium to hearthat. But give us just a little
little teaser on that. Yeah,the Brazil has some cases that the aliens
were very aggressive. We do havewe do have cases that people died after
contact with a UFO or extract racialbeing. And we do also have contacts

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case that with contact that the Ailiensjust asked for a bottle of water or
fight with a Brazilian and then wewhen they finished the fight, just you
know, a little tap on ashoulder, good fight like like being like
a good fighting in the left,so and the and the in South,

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in the South and Latin American,in South America, we have many cases
that the aliens were aggressive, andwe don't have it in Europe like that
in Asia. We don't know ifwe don't know why, if it's a
pattern, we don't know. ButBrazil and South America have the most cases

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that aliens were aggressive occurred in SouthAmerica. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
A case was reported over the lastcouple of weeks in Peru that sounded
very much like me to the Colorsincident. You know, it's true.

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It had a lot of the nameelements where people were being attacked and and
that kind of thing. And soyeah, I think that's very true.
Seems typical both here in the USand and Brazil and other countries that there's
there's a combination of you know,positive and negative experiences that people have,

(35:19):
and it's it's so hard to figureit out right because we you know,
we're the friend or foe question isso powerful because the evidence is not clear,
we can't really tell yet. Soyeah, I think that just adds
more proof to it. And that'sthat's maybe we don't know the truth yet,
the true because we don't know ifif a they are friend are full

(35:45):
because I have cases in the bothsides. Yeah, and if a government
said okay, we are we havebeen visited by aliens and uh, you
know a flying stuff at land andthey even mean shut up, I've been
a flight and killer people, wedon't know we don't know, so perhaps
that's the most concern of the governmentabout the phenomenon. Yeah, and the

(36:10):
flight safety of aircraft and our skies, our military men and women and our
civilian aircraft and that. And Ithink after the first break here, we're
going to get into four cases andone of them kind of speaks to that,
which I'm excited for you to share. But before we get to that,
and I would just like to makeone other comment about your the friend

(36:30):
or foe. You know, wecan't put It's like, well, it
just depends on who lands on Earthwhether they're friend or foe. But really
we can't even put them into onebasket. I mean, we're not that
way, and I can't expect thatother civilizations out there will be that way
as well. So I guess it'sjust the agenda and how they view humans

(36:51):
and Earth and everything else. Soyou know, we will wait and see
in the juries out And I thinkas far as some composium goes, I'm
so bummed up going to be missingit because I would love to be a
fly on the wall to hear thisvery important conversation that's going to be had
through that whole weekend. But I'mcurious speaking of mouf On, how many
investigators are in Brazil and how isit set up? How is mouf On

(37:13):
set up there in your country?Well, we are rebuilding the move on
here in Brazil. We used tohave around the hundreds of UFO researchers here
Wow buy Mason, but the bioplegot old or left move On and for

(37:34):
many years we just didn't do nothingin a move on here. I just
became a natural director two years,three years ago, and for two years
I was three years we had thecovid UH crisis, all right, and
yeah, and now and now westart to rebuild it. I'm starting to

(38:00):
make meetings online and fig and presentialmeetings here in Brazil to bring and to
show what is the move on toBrazil. Yea, The great problem here
in Brazil is the language. Manypeople here in Brazil speak in English,
but a lot man as well doesn'tspeak in English, don't speak in English,

(38:28):
and we have to to to tryto anyway to understand that. Technology.
Now you can go in and themove On website and translate autractically to
Portuguese. Yeah, but people stillhave a little concern about that because if

(38:51):
we're going to be a member ofmove On. Are gonna get the move
On in journal? What's in English? Yeah, but the technology we can
translate it as well, right,And so we're trying to build it to
bring more people to the move becauseI can I cannot do hope myself.
Reich. I'm resichion of four casesin Brazil and one case in San Paulo

(39:15):
chewing images and one in Hugeno.So I cannot travel there. I need
people in the in the in thatspace. Yeah, it's still a very
big country land wise, and thenlike you said, multiple languages, and
and then you know, vast culturaldifferences. You know, you have the

(39:35):
rural and the big city and allthose are challenges that you know, people
don't really think about when when youtalk in terms of UFO reporting and investigating
and and every every country kind ofhas its own unique circumstances, you know,
because of all those environmental and socialand other pressures. So yeah,

(39:57):
it's I'm sure it's very much ofa challenge. But you know, the
good news is is is some ofthe really important cases do make it out,
such as Chloris and the others,and so that that's a you know,
great that that at least happens.But do you think, uh,
Thiago, that that uh if theUnited States government comes out and discloses in

(40:22):
a you know, more formal wayabout the reality of UFOs or UAP or
another non human intelligence engaging us thatare your country in particular, say Brazil,
you think that how they will respondto that. I think it will
spark a higher degree of interest andmaybe not just the population but even the

(40:46):
government. Yes, yes, I'mI'm very positive about that. For the
first time, the audience that happenedin the United States got the new here
in Brazil, very serious news herein Brazil, and I was contacted by
almost all the TV channels and newspapersto talk about it, and people here

(41:12):
in Brazil got very curious about it. And the Brazilian Commission of Pathologists,
which I am president President, weare trying to push legally the Brazilian Army
and the Brazilian government to disclosure allthe documents that they have, and we

(41:35):
know they have documents that are verysecret. And now our next extent,
our next step is to do anaudience here in Brazil. We had it
in two thousand and twenty two tocelebrate the UFO World Day in June four,
we got an invitation from the Senateof Brazil and we were there and

(42:00):
we make a speech of presentation foralmost six hours wow. And we had
some guests from from UK Gary hassome time, and we had the Captain
Robert Salace here as well, andit was very positive. But we had

(42:22):
election elections, the presidential election inBrazil, so that just got frozen a
little, right, and now westart again. We got to get the
contact with the politicus here in Brazil, the senators and deputists, federal deputists,
we con federals here in Brazil.We're trying to get an audience to

(42:46):
invite people here in Brazil, militariesand people who worked in some way or
somehow to cover up the phenomen herein Brazil. It's it's very hard to
get it. As I said,we don't we have a major problem here
in Brazil. But we have totry it. And I think we have

(43:08):
senators and have another politicals that theylike the subject and they think, just
like us, right the right toknow what what's going on. Right,
So the cover up is worldwide.Do you do you think that that the

(43:30):
Brazilian government is paying attention to ourcongressional hearings and what is your opinions on
what's happening in the United States withthe congressional hearings. Yes, they are,
they are aware of what happened inthe US Congress Congress because I have
friends from Brazilian Air Force that theyare looking for it their pain attention and

(43:55):
what happened in the United States waswas amazing historic. Yeah, but I
think that I don't think they're gonnadisclosure everything really really, I don't think
so. I don't think they're gonnathey're gonna you know how you can have
all? No, well, wewill never have all. Yeah. I

(44:17):
think from from a point to forward, they're gonna start a disclosure or not
closure. But from the cases inthe past, like Roswell, like Ken
Arnold, like the Blue Book casesthat were never were solvid, they will

(44:44):
not go do a step back becauseif they do, they are you know,
they will be telling to the wholeworld that they were lying for seven
day decades. Yeah. Yeah,So it's not good for them, for

(45:04):
the government, for the military,they're not good for them. So I
think the disclosures, it's it's ona way. There's no way to stop.
Now they cannot stop or keep insilence because now senators in the United
States they want to know. Theyin my opinion, they don't want to

(45:27):
know if if therefore are such awrestaural ufols are wrest, don't they want
to know if there's a problem fornational security? Yeah, and okay,
there's a problem. So if there'sa problem, what is it? Yeah,
it's a ship, you know,it's a secret to weapon from from
China, from Russia, from Japanand from France. We don't know.

(45:53):
Yep, yep. They have toframe it correctly so that it will be
politically accept to discuss and disclose.And and I think they might even have
to offer immunity to some people.Many of the people of course that were
alive at that time and involved withBlue Book and you know, the Air
Force and to cover up you know, probably are no longer with us,

(46:15):
but you know, there's a newergeneration of people to cover up continued.
So you know, I think itis a very delicate matter. And I
think you're right, disclosure will occurand bits and pieces and and it'll start
and it'll stop, and and youknow, things will have to be worked
out behind the scenes and all thatkind of stuff. But I was I

(46:38):
was going to ask you to youknow, here here in the US,
and and Moufon in particular. Youknow that we have obviously our UFO investigation
side, but we also have ourexperience or resource team, where Moufon has
seen the need to you know,in essence, provide comfort to people who

(47:00):
are having these experiences that might rangefrom yeah positive or they might be highly
negative and extremely traumatic and people needneed help. Is the is that experience
or contact or abduction experience prevalent inBrazil as well, And is there any

(47:22):
kind of resources available to him,like like you know, therapy groups or
any kind of thing like that,or is that is it just a very
largely untapped subject or part of theUFO issue for for Brazil. No,
we don't have this kind of support. We don't have it. We we
do have a lot of case ofabduction here in Brazil, that's for sure.

(47:45):
We have some UFO researchers, researchersthat help these people understood the cases,
but we don't we don't have Unfortunately, we don't have this kind of
support here it and it is veryimportant because I read. I received a

(48:05):
lot of the cases you do aboutup likely a likely abduction cases, but
it's I'm not the expert on that. Yeah, I'm not the expert,
so I have to send them toto colleagues that research that one of the
colleagues, doctor doctor ju Damoda,she lives in Portugal right now, and

(48:30):
uh, the people are here inBrazil, so she tried the best way
to help the people. Yeah,it's so hard because I think this kind
of of support must be in person. Yeah, yep, Well, I
was just curious about that and thatI'm glad to hear at least there are
some recognition, acknowledgement and some effort. But you know, hopefully, you

(48:53):
know, I just gets more andmore disclosed and accepted that that there will
be in roads to get providing thatkind of support for people, because I
think that's just super important. It'sit's great to investigate and determine if a
UFO sighting was actual or mistaken identityall that. That's great, useful and

(49:15):
important. But I think, youknow, helping people who have been you
know, traumatized, is really themost important thing. Right. Without people
this nothing matters, right, Soit's good to hear right. So we
have about seven minutes before we takeour first break, and I would like
to ask you, do you havea favorite historical UFO case, either here

(49:38):
in the United States or worldwide?And if so, what is it.
I love rold I cannot deny.I cannot deny. I love rold sings
of was a boy. I wasa boy. I met dol Schmidt,
I met Kevin Randall, and Ihave out all the books about the Roldo
that they wrote. And my gymsgo to Rolso just to see the crash

(50:05):
site and go to roll the museumand go to the area fifty one.
The roles are work for spaces,So the Rolso is my favorite. But
here in Brazil, I love thePlate operation and Night of the UFOs that
occurred in ninety eighty six here inBrazil and virgin of course. Yeah.

(50:28):
And are these some of the caseswe'll be talking about after break? Ah?
All right, that's awesome. Soyou know, I don't want to
go right because these cases take sometime. So let's talk a little bit
about your books, shall we.Yeah, if you can tell us a
little bit, I mean fourteen books, that's a lot. So if you

(50:49):
want to just kind of tell usa little bit about your publications, what
they are, what they focus on, and where we can get them.
Yeah, my book I wrote fourteenbooks, twelve in Portuguese, one in
English, in one translated to theFrench. Uh, my books are about
UFO crashes. I wrote two aboutthe UFO crashes in the world. I

(51:14):
wrote three about you a Guide ofa UFO typology, one of about UFO
typology and three about extrater racial guideto excester racial typology. I wrote three
about the UFO cases, general UFOcases in in our world, in a
world, and two about the youknow, the when I actually started like

(51:40):
unusual universe. This one is isall my some of my article that was
published in magazines around the world,and I have the newest one was the
letters parta Claude Letters to Caldicov toldKov was one of the best UFO we're

(52:04):
such a here Mozil. He passedaway two thousand and eleven, if my,
if my not our own, andhe studied UFOs in the best way
of the UFO research. He wasvery rational or a very serious person,

(52:27):
and he was such some of thebest cases in in in Brazilian in Brazil.
So that book was wrote with herdaughter seeing Jai. We wrote together,
and don't be to his her husband, he's her husband. And but

(52:49):
when I wrote about the UFO type, I made that classification and the route
about the UFO guide to Exeter restroom. I find out. I find
out find out that we had atleast seventy two types of aliens that had
that was reported here in our planet. So you say, seventy two seven

(53:15):
two seventy two types of the UFOof aliens that were here that was here
in our planet was reported. Andthen the Utho litergy. But what are
the most common the most common dependsThat depends at the time the decades.

(53:35):
The first, of course, therewas the planties, the Nordics, and
then we passed to the degrays,and then we go to reptilians, and
then go to insect insectoids. Sodepends. And now we are living in
a moment that we have several typesacting at the same time. We have

(54:00):
for the grays acting with the reptoid, reptilians with the insects, all in
the same scene, in the samescenario. That might be I don't know,
I'm I'm a friend of doctor DAVIDY. Jacobs, and we were together

(54:22):
in twenty seventeen. He came toBrazil to make as imposant here. I
was with him. We are speakersat imposed in Brazil, in Balazonin,
and we talked a lot and doctorJacobs he told me Chago, well,
in my abductees researchers, I hadonly the grays and said, doctor do

(54:51):
you know that? Okay, butyou know that we have a lot of
types of alien here and planted.Okay, but the evidence that have just
the grace and some A couple ofyears ago I email him and how are
your doctor? We have to talkand he said, he wrote back,

(55:15):
Chago, do you remember when Isaid that I just had grace in my
research. Now I have grace,I have insects, insectual insects, I
have reptilians. So right, Sowhat's happened? I don't know. They're

(55:36):
banning together, they're starting to worktogether, and they're creating alliances. Maybe
we should be a little nervous aboutthat. And they're like, they're like,
we don't want to let these humansin yet, like they need to
get their acts together before you youknow, we've heard this through the years
through the decades. Actually that there'sa galactic federation. I see them all
sitting around a table. They bringup their their maps or what ever,

(56:00):
and they're going not yet, notyet. We got to give them a
chance, you know, kind ofthing. So we are gonna go over
four cases after break. We justhave a few seconds here. I wanted
to bring up the image of theone book that you could get on Amazon
that is in English, and thetitle of that book is Facts in Brazil

(56:21):
Ufo Contacts in Brazil. Nope,no, no, one. That was
the one in France. That's inFrench. Yep, that's yeah, that's
the one in French. And thenwe have one more here. You could
bring up the cover more than pages, more than three hundred foots in the
images and drawings. Really, ohmy gosh, I'm buying that sure large

(56:45):
break And dang it, I wishI would have bought it ahead of time
so I could have shipped it toCincinnati and have you signed it. Are
missed opportunity, all right, Sowhen we come back from the break,
we will go over some for veryintriguing cases. So hang in there with
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if I didn't get a shout outto our producer Bill Skywatcher. He had
a very rough week last week becauseof I mean, it's medical and I
don't want to just spew all thatout on there without his permission, but
just know that he had a roughweek. He is on the mend and
doing better, and we just lovehim to death and our wishes were with

(01:01:13):
him through all his trials and tribulations. So we're glad he's on the mend
and he's doing better. So Ilove to Bill. Just have to get
that out there, go Bill.That's why you would never answer my email
anybody for anybody whose email build Nowyou know why, get better soon.

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Bill. We all love you verymuch, so get better soon. Yeah.
Well, cut, we'll cut yousome slack for not answering those emails.
So we are going to spend thishour going over some magnificent cases there
in Brazil. Which one would youlike to go ahead and start with?
Oh, pick one, you youcan choose it. Oh I get to

(01:01:58):
choose it. Well, let mesee. I'm intrigued with the one that's
kind of similar to is it tothe Tcano case case to coel is the
brazil Star. Oh yeah, thenames are playing. That was building in

(01:02:19):
Brazil, the Imbra, the Brazilianfactory of the air planes cool, so
just like the Felton. And thiscase happened in nineteen ninety six. They
were performing on Acrobrat acrobat key showthe squad Masa Smoke Smoke, uh the

(01:02:45):
name of the contritive Massa. It'slike it's like the blue berg that you
have in the United States. Okay, right, And they were performing over
the beach in Santos a Paulo,and suddenly one of the they are planted
to kind of lost their wing,one of the wing and the piloties got

(01:03:07):
to eject and he survived, buta part of the wing killed one person
that wasn't a beach and then well, of course they have to analyze the
case, investigate the crash. Andwe saw the film. We saw I
went a minute saw the apologists sawthe film and we we saw a little

(01:03:31):
object, a little thing and amedal was like like a metal like silver
that reflect the sun just cross verynear two meters of the wing of the
plane. And then their plane lostthe wing, so that was investigated in

(01:03:54):
nineteen ninety six. That shows thatno one knows what happened. Therefore said
that was the problem of the materialof the wing. But what was that

(01:04:15):
sphere? That was a sphere,right, a probe, a sappress,
a probe. We called it aufo, A small ufo, like a
one meter diameter that passes two closeof the airplane. Okay, if the
wing the if the airplane lost thewing because of malfunction of the the airplane,

(01:04:36):
okay, but what was that right? We don't know, right,
and we have a video clip ofthat, don't we Okay, So Chanelle,
if you want to run that first, I think there's just one video
on that one. Bring guy water, scatra, sigud such godiosis, pacha

(01:05:15):
tudo, schificado, pasapoosachi, stinkvehicle, cameona alas or total an aga

(01:05:39):
some days matters compliment spado bastache.It's in Portuguese. Uh wow. They
said that the object was very fast, that was smaller. Their plan was
ten times at the time the sizeof the object, and just objects crossed

(01:06:05):
their plane five seconds before he losthis wing. And you know, it's
fear it was very fast. Perhapsone thousand and fifty hundred clumps an hour,
So I don't I don't think thatthe spear just cut their wing.

(01:06:26):
But what happened there, we don'tknow. Almost thirty thirty years after the
event the crash, we still don'tknow what happened. Yeah, that is
I mean, that's pretty significant.How many times have we seen you know,
these spears trailing and airplane But thatthat was so cool? Remember the

(01:06:46):
full fighters? Yeah, yeah,just like ful fighters did in the investigation.
Obviously, a death occurred and theywould investigate anywhere way because you know,
an aircraft it you know, hadhad a crash. But did did
the official investigators acknowledge that sphere andmake any comment on it as part of

(01:07:11):
the formal investigation or was it onlythe uthologists that picked up on it.
It has a it has a ithas a official official conclusion that they're planning
just lost the win because a structuralproblem. But they never told talked about

(01:07:33):
the sphere for them, which ithas never happened, but we can see
it. Yeah, it reminds meso much. So here in the States,
we have a ginormous air show andOshkosh, Wisconsin every year and unfortunately
in Oshkosh. We lose several aircraft. I want to say there were three

(01:07:56):
crashes this year and even our spacelaunches. With Space you go back and
examine some of this video footage andwe have very similar phenomenon that. I
mean true, some of it potentiallycould be birds or something that fly around.
But again, just like the caseof the week with the light something
coming on the lightning, and clearlyin your video there that is not a

(01:08:20):
bird that clearly looks metallic. That'spretty large. I mean, we have
the aircraft to compare the size too. So it really makes me wonder.
I mean, it's more than acoincidence that this plane loses the wing right
at that moment. What potentially doyou have any theories on what potentially is

(01:08:41):
causing effect there that would cause somethinglike that. No, we don't know.
We don't have it, don't Wesaw a few near their plane and
then they're plane lost it's wings.So I'm sure that this fear didn't that
because it was very very it's veryclose, but never touched the their plane.

(01:09:08):
And it was not a drone becausewe're talking about ninety ninety six.
Yeah, it was not a bird. It's not a bird. It's a
very startical it's not a bird,doesn't it kind of doesn't It kind of
remind you of what well Ryan Graves, the Fighter pilot eighteen fighter pilot,

(01:09:30):
has been commenting on from the Rooseveltcase in twenty fifteen, where a sphere
that or a cube inside of asphere looking object was you know, split
right between two of their airplanes lessthan one hundred feet, you know.
And then, like I said onwe've seen many videos of these objects trailing

(01:09:50):
airplanes, even you know, verymodern ones, but of course yeah,
even the food fighters of World WarTwo. It just is such an interesting
thing. I like the word thatyou use to describe it is like a
probe. You know, it actslike it's observing or collecting data. It's
not necessarily interfering, but it's justso coincidental that that it, you know,

(01:10:16):
was in that proximity and then thatevent occurred. It's a it's a
brain teaser for sure. I almostwant to can we run that video against
Chanelle? I would love to seethat one more time, the video of
that. I think it be asGuy second s knowing that you forgot the

(01:11:00):
supposdaci to think now what became onal or total an avoca. Some days
Matters compliment Mustache that that last voicein the video is from colonel from the

(01:11:34):
Brazilian Air Force. Is he stillalive and what does he say about this
case? Does he speak about it? What does he happen to? I
don't know if he's alive, butby that time he in a in a
in the news. In the videoin the program, he said he doesn't

(01:11:55):
know what it was. Okay,he said, well, I cannot tell
you what what it was because isthere a small but very fast Yeah,
and got too close to their plane. It almost appears it as it goes
under it. Yeah, it almostappears as the object goes right under the

(01:12:17):
plane and up the other side.It doesn't look like it clipped the wing.
No, you know that the Gforce of course, the G force
right, and probably it causes thecrash. But it doesn't matter what marries.
What was that thing? Probe that'sfear. We don't know. We

(01:12:42):
don't know. Thirty years from there, from that in nineteen ninety six,
we still don't know. Fascinating.Yeah, that's that's a that's an enigma,
for sure. You weren't questions onthat case, any other questions or
comments on that particular case. Isthere still an active investigation? I mean

(01:13:06):
obviously it's not been solved. No, because its close. It because it's
closed because their folds just said,well, I was the manufacturing problem.
So so don't don't pay any attentionto that. Even though it was super
compelling because all the reports, allthe reports or the conclusion of the accident

(01:13:29):
was was being published. There's noproblem with that, but they never mentioned
that fear and third years after that, we cannot find any of the witnesses,
We cannot find that the pilot,We cannot find the responsible for the
smoke squadron. So thor was thevideo taken by it looked like it was,

(01:13:59):
you know, at the same orwas it taken from another airplane?
No? No, for a personin the beach? Really wow, okay
on the beach. Was one ofthe witnesses in the beach? Person took
it formal footage? Yeah? Right? We got to remember back in those
days too, where we had differenttypes of cameras. We everybody didn't have

(01:14:20):
a cell phone on their hands forhuge cameras. Yeah, well, that
that is an unbelievable case, let'sgo ahead and move to the pop now
if I again pop your pop popcase Papa case, yes, is a

(01:14:43):
prison fatherer of prison here in Brazilianand the nineteen ninety one UFO just appear
over the prision. So more thantwenty it's a it's a it's not it's
an what a rio photo is illustration, but the UFO was just like that,

(01:15:05):
and more than twenty military police thatthey made the guard of the prision
they saw it. And this objectjust stayed for almost two hours, two
hours over the prision. And theprison is a high security area, and

(01:15:27):
we're talking as well in nineteen ninetyone, there was no drone and the
military, the guard, the guardguards of the prision thought they were going
trying to some prison trying to escape. Should be a helicopter, but it
was not. So they called tothe traffic key control in Brazilia, the

(01:15:49):
military air traffic control, and theywas detecting the UFO on the radar screen.
But they said, well, that'sit's not our plane. It's not
a helicopter. It's something that appearhere and then disappear, and now it's

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over the prison and for almost twohours we don't have a cell phones,
we don't have camera because they arein prison, so they are not allowed
to use that huge cameras and wedon't have cell phones or a small camera.
And that for two hours, morethan twenty military policemen saw it and

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they said, well, it's likea rectangular shape and that was very bright,
a yellow bright and just hoovered theprison. And then after two hours
everybody was watching it just move veryslow to the mountains and disappear. And

(01:16:58):
that in that one that we hada report from the military air traffic control
where there where they confirm that theygot they got a call from the the
chief of the prison and they confirmedthat they detected the UFO in the area

(01:17:19):
in the radar and then disappear theraidar disappear, but they did not investigate
it or they didn't tell us thatthey investigated. I think it the most
the hyperability that that happened. Andthis case was very very known in Brazilia.

(01:17:45):
Some senators just wanted to know moreabout that. But also this ninety
one uh not nothing happened, Nothinghappened, just report official report that was
leaked many years ago. This reportwas leaked and then once it leaked.

(01:18:08):
They just release it to the public. But we had no evidence that it
was an airplane or a helicopter.Well yeah, not if it's hovering for
two hours. That's that's probably themost significant. Uh, you know,
the fact that that case is issitting there for that period of time.

(01:18:30):
I mean, obviously nothing we knowcan can relate one. Sorry, Shane.
One of the explanations they could bea balloon, a scietistic balloon from
the University of Brazilia, but theyfollowed the spect a time. They got
in touch with the University of Braziliaand they said, no, we don't

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We didn't launch any balloon, noballoon, and that they are that week.
So yeah, and rectangular balloons aren'tvery common. It's not very aerodynamic,
not very aerodynamic unless one. Butso, were there any prisoners missing?

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No? No, Now, thisthis actually is a phenomena I've heard
about here in the States. Haveyou heard that to Shane UFOs over our
prisons? Yeah, I mean,perhaps there's some extraterrestrials that are like,
let's check out you know what thisis all about. Why are they putting
people in cages? I mean Idon't know, Like we had in Brazil.
We had in Brazil back at theeighties one of the biggest prisoners,

(01:19:38):
and in Brazil he was he washelicopter just almost landed in the middle of
the prison and got him and heescaped. So it was ninety eighty five,
nine eighty four, nine eighty five. So that happened ninety ninety to

(01:19:59):
one. It's gonna happen again.Well, I was gonna say, for
that whole two hours it's sitting there, didn't do anything. I mean,
Katie was alluding to that. Didn'tDid it interact in any way or was
it just like a big night lightover the prison. Yes, you just
didn't soldier, the guards just watchingit, just watch it. So I

(01:20:27):
wish we knew what they were doing. That's just so curious. That is
so curious. I want to seea movie like Escape from Alcatraz with this
helicopter escape. But that's a greatif you're going to escape, escape and
style. Wow wow wow wow.So I mean obviously this case, like

(01:20:49):
you said, it's a very popularcase. So you have witnesses that have
come forward on that. Fascinating stuff. I would love I'm gonna put it
out there in the universe and theethers. Somebody, I don't care who
it is, they need to takethis project on to really investigate UFOs over
our prisons worldwide. Let's see ifit's a thing, because I think that

(01:21:11):
possibly is. Yeah, yeah,there's a project for somebody out there listening
a block right there you go.Somebody published this book for me. Please,
I quickly just at the third time, because I thought in my mind
there was something like that, butI couldn't find it. So so that
please let us know. Another fascinatingcase. All right, what's our next

(01:21:31):
case here? I think we havemodern own case. It happened in nineteen
eighty two. Modern own case.Morenau is a soccer stadium and they was
playing Vasha da Gama and is asoccer team from from hugh Jo and Operadu

(01:21:57):
is a is a team from Matautu, Su State. And when I was
in Kampugu State and suddenly a UFOjust passed very slow over the stadium.
Wow, the game stop. Itmore than three more than thirty thousand people

(01:22:19):
that was watching the game, includingthe players, the referees, uh,
the reporters in a in a field, they saw this ufo. Wow,
and this was just rover hoovered veryespecially, very very slow, but no

(01:22:41):
non camera got it. I don'tknow why. I don't know why we
had no camera word because the gamewas being broadcasting for to old Brazil was
a Brazilian soccer championship and more thanthirty thousand people saw it. Wow and

(01:23:04):
was there was an investigation of thebrazin their force and there's but there's no
conclusion. They got many testamenties.We have players that got very famous after
that, after years after that,played in in European clubs that they remember

(01:23:26):
still today that I was playing andI stopped it. The crowd was making
noise and suddenly that science that silence, and everybody was looking up and they
saw the CUFO just cross very slowand then disappear. And that we had

(01:23:47):
a case very similar in Italy,in in France, in Italy, Florence,
in Italy in ninety I don't know, a few thirties, fifties,
we had the same, same,same, it's not the same, a
very similar case. But in Italythe UFUL just left the angel hair,

(01:24:15):
the filament that came from the ufls. In Brazil we don't have it,
but in Italy we had, Yeah, and you said this was disc shape.
Did you say it was this?It's like a cylinders like lights.
Yeah, clinder shape with lights inin a in a in a bottom and
the front in the back. Okay. And it was not in the plane.

(01:24:39):
It's not a zeppelin. It's nota zeppeline as well. Was this
in the day or the evening?Game? Was at night? At night
night? Yes? Even what doesthis remind you of? Shane? This
reminds me of another big side inthere and finit yeah, yeah, being
ex lights right, yeah, yeah. It sounds like it was an intentional

(01:25:01):
effort to show itself to people.But I find that curious. No one
got photos or even the television orwhatever. But maybe it's a case of
you know, astonishment. You knowa lot of people report that that when
they see something they don't even theymight even be holding a camera and they
just don't think to put it upand do it because they're so astonished,

(01:25:25):
or maybe there's some influence for it. But I find that really unusual because
because of the fact you have thirtythousand people. But you know, it
just adds to the mystery of thewhole topic. If it was today,
it was today. I'm pretty surethey're going to have a lot of feed
off we have. You know,we have cell phones, yes, but

(01:25:46):
like that day night, I usuallygo to soccer stadium when I was eight,
nineteen or ten years old, butwe never got there. I can't
polaroid nothing like that. It's veryexpensive. So we just go just to
watch the game. Right. Oneof our listeners there had a good point

(01:26:09):
the reporters. It was towards theend of the game. They're packed up,
they're ready to head out. Imean the same in Phoenix, So
I think too, right, Imean it was seen over stadiums and again
no photographs. Could could whatever craftthese are, could they be shutting down
the ability to do that? Imean, like mass everybody's in a trance.

(01:26:30):
Yeah, nobody gets your stuff.I mean it makes me wonder because
that happened in Phoenix as well.Yeah. But this was a ship of
the shape, right, yeah,the shape yeah yeah, and so the
skids was amazing and we never gota conclusion. We had an investigation,
but we never got a conclusion.Just let it go. Let it go

(01:26:56):
that let it go? Right,Wow. That brings me to another question
for you. I mean, Iknow you know you have access to the
reports there, you've taken and investigatemany of these reports yourself. What shapes
are more common there in Brazil asfar as shape of craft, and do
you get the triangular shape craft thereas well? The most common is the

(01:27:19):
lights. But when you see thelights, we cannot if they are very
bright, we cannot see inner it. Yeah, so it could be a
triangle disks something like that. Butthe most shape is light, just lights,
lights annually and we have a lotof the sight in here. But

(01:27:42):
today, in my opinion, whohave many things in disguise. Now we
have drones, satellites, are plane, helicopters, birds, comets, we
have a new brand of secret airplanesthat to be considered a UFOs, well,

(01:28:11):
it's very hard because I don't haveto you have so many options to
choose that to well, when whenwhen you say it's a UFO not it
doesn't mean that it's an terrestrial ship. It's something that you cannot then five
maybe in the future or during theinvestigation you can then fire as a atmospheric

(01:28:35):
balloon or airplane or a drone somethinglike that. And today's very is our
our job or work is getting veryvery harder. Yeah, it is harder
and harder, and you can't dependon the visual image anymore. You have
to take in the consideration it's performanceor its behavior to help identify women.

(01:29:01):
Yeah, exactly, to be ableto distinguish it from something common in prosaic.
It's very, very difficult. It'svery difficult. And I I got
I received a lot of films andphotos and uh, and when I say,
oh, it's a bird, it'sa bug, people get angry,

(01:29:24):
all right, because they want tobelieve that that that that picture in the
in the X files. I wantto believe is that. No, we
don't don't want to believe. Wantsto discover, not to believe. Yeah,
we have that same issue here too, right, So do you often

(01:29:45):
get cases of hoaxers? We havea lot, We have a lot of
unfortunately, including including including puthologists.We have a lot here in Brazil that
they prefer to have subscribers, theypreferred to have likes. They have to

(01:30:06):
prefer views, then give a writeinformation or the honest information. We do
have a lot of yet here inBrazil, and we have YouTube channels.
We've thousands, thousands of subscribers andthousands of views. But when you watch

(01:30:30):
one of the videos, see wellhe's lying, he's making up, he's
making it up. But you know, I prefer to keep my my YouTube
small YouTube channel, but bring ita real information And uh, as I
said, when I said, oh, it's a bug, people get angry.

(01:30:51):
But okay, you ask me toanalyze. I did, so it's
a bug. Can you tell usa little bit about your YouTube channel and
some of the amazing people you've interviewedthrough the years, and maybe speak to
some of your favorites and what you'vetaken away from those experiences. I cannot

(01:31:11):
choose one of my favorites. Youknow, We've had a long list and
its bio is a whole long listof people. I was like, oh,
so if you can just pick afew, you don't have to come
on favorites, just memorable interviews.There you go, very diplomatic. Yeah.
I have a YouTube channel called Bejvindundum status is like seven mysteries in

(01:31:33):
English. I have almost eight hundredeight thousand subscribers. That's awesome and I
interview a lot of good, goodresearchers. I can't tell that I want
the best in my opinion, wasKevin handle because I'm a huge fan of

(01:31:56):
Kevin Randall and Don't Schmidt. Ilove them the work of them. And
I had opportunity to interview Jacques Valleythat for it's one of the best.
Preston Dennett was with me. Brucemccabee, I had an interview Bruce mccabee,

(01:32:19):
our boss, David McDonald, ofcourse our boss. You know,
our first guest had the Big Bosson for number one guest. I had
Peter Robbins as well. I hadTravis Walton just not just for my show,

(01:32:39):
but I was with him in anothershow. And the most amazing is
when when you know these people notin person because it was online interview,
but you can't understand a little moreabout that research on the his ex appearance

(01:33:00):
in the case of Travis Walton,and you you know, you're talking of
that person that you had, thebook that you have, the book that
you when he was a teenager inthe In the case of the Jacks Vallet,
I read his books and I think, WHOA, now I'm talking to
Jacks Vallet. Yeah, so it'sa it's a it's a very incredible experience

(01:33:29):
that you have. And also Icannot forget Steven Hudges, this is my
boss, really bos International, thatactor, Steve, if you're writing next.
And I interviewed more than I thinkforty forty UF researchers. And I

(01:33:53):
just started the third season season ofmy interviews that I have Robert Salace,
I have some of Brazilian uthologies,and I think it's important to bring it
this opinion because my channel is theonly one that brings this interviews with the

(01:34:16):
not Brazilian athologies, because I interviewin English and then I put sub titus
in Portuguese so I can share itin English or Portuguese and bring the information
that the audience in Brazil never getit. Yeah, where are they going
to have the opportunity to to listenwhat Kevin Handel has to say or present

(01:34:41):
then or Michael Sala. They readthe book or just read some something in
the internet, and now they havethe opportunity to to to listen them from
the from Brazili the web YouTube channel, and and and I have some goals

(01:35:06):
to get some personality that have toI want to interview like bubbles are I
wish it some day we want thatone. Yeah, and uh, the

(01:35:26):
person that makes make me my interestand you just grew since there was a
teenager. So I think it's it'svery fascinating when I get importunate to interview
these people. Yeah, I thinkthat's really great that you can bring bring
that to the people of Brazil andbring it closer and it makes it more

(01:35:47):
real and life like, and thenyou can connect with the people. Even
though like we're doing today it's soover the internet. Uh, you know,
you still feel like you know thesepeople and get get acquainted with them,
and that makes a connection that makesa whole experience better. So I
really commend you for that. That'sa fascinating way to do it. Do

(01:36:09):
you do you also have the opportunityto depending on the guests or do you
do you ever translate into Portuguese orSpanish or French? And I know,
like Jacques Valet, obviously you couldhave done that in French, but are
you able to do that as well? I can't. I can't speak in

(01:36:30):
English and Spanish and Portuguese. Ican't speak and I'm gonna learn it Talan
because I get my Italian citizen soon, so I have to learn it titan
I'll be Italian without speaking Italian,So I have to learn Italian and and
uh I do all my my mydebut in English or Spanish, in the
Spanish in some in some cases Imay I have a friend that translate put

(01:36:57):
subtitles, not translate put subtitles.And Spanish it is easier here in Brazil
to understand, much easier. Butin English I must I have to put
some titles in Portuguese. So andwhen I put on air, yeah,
the interview we put in my YouTubechannel and I said, wow, uh

(01:37:19):
the interview is in English title inPortugue, So I can you know people
from from Nited States can can listenand people in Brazil can can listen as
well. Wow, it's nice.And that's something that people often Sorry,
Shane, that's some people often sortof forget about that. We can't translate

(01:37:40):
both your website, because you havea wonderful website. I love the colors
and the outlet and YouTube are goingto be in my my my YouTube channel,
okay, you YouTube are going tobe interviewed. Yeah, and you
can translate a lot of videos tooto whatever language you need it too,
And sometimes we often forget we havethat ability. I think we have a

(01:38:00):
screens there's there's your website right therewith the Yeah. This this, this,
this photo is very funny because Ihave almost a thousand of UFA books
Wow, in Portuguese and Spanish,and in France, in French, and
what else I had in Russian Russian, But I never understand the world in

(01:38:24):
Russian. And this picture I wasin in the end of the last year
two thousand, two twenty two,two ten twenty three, I went to
New Zealand. My sister in alllives in New Zealand, and we traveled
there to Toll two vacations and uh, she knows that I love ethology,

(01:38:53):
and she got take me to anold bookseller and I got a lot of
books. And every way I go, I try to to find some bookstore.
And I wasn't in New York inin April and May. I was

(01:39:14):
in New York. Peter Robin wasnot there. Shaman and Peter sha shamoney
Peter, Yeah, bad Peter.But he told me go to that bookstore.
And I went there and bought somebooks. Some because of course you're
traveling back. It makes your luggageheavy or your back some book shorts bookshops

(01:39:40):
in Cincinnati. Yeah, but Iknow that move on gonna sell some books
there, so I tried to getsome and uh, I like this this
the books. Of course, Inever I didn't read all the books.
If I read ten percent, tenpercent, it's too much. But I

(01:40:02):
used them to my research. Iused them to write my article, to
write my my books, to makea video to my YouTube channel. I
think it's very important. And Ilike to grab the books. I have
kindo and the smell of books.Yeah, and and I just bought it

(01:40:24):
two books that I write it yesterdayExtraterrestor Contact by Kathleen Mardin this one excellent
and this one from person da Youthsover Nevada, Nevada. I love Preston
awesome, so many great books.I like to I like to have this

(01:40:45):
book in my hands because I haveto write it. I have to math
and highlights, yes that's part.And my wife more books like you turn
my camera around. I'm the sameway. I totally get you. An
audio book is nice on occasion youknow you're driving in the car, but

(01:41:06):
there's nothing that beats highlighting and tagging. And and I'm also like you,
where I read all the chapter titles. I kind of just skim because there's
so many thousands of books and thelibrary grows and grows and grows, and
just like David Marler too, it'slike you have to narrow your scope otherwise

(01:41:27):
the whole household being that you wouldbe able to walk through the books.
So make sure you leave that extraspace for those books. You're going to
get there at the symposium. Butwe're like, what fifteen minutes so the
end of the show, this timeflew by, and I think we had
one more case we needed to getto, which is Sanda am I saying
that one correct is probe in Portuguese. Okay, probe the probe case.

(01:41:50):
Yes. And it was very interestingbecause it's happened to thousand and one.
Chivy crew was back into Brazilia aftera job in in Guayana. Is A
is a city in Guai State andwas passinged by a highway and they saw

(01:42:12):
us at the UFO the first timefor the first v first vision was not
a UFO. They saw a bigbattleflight just over the highway and then this
batterfly just stop it hover and asidethe highway in they stopped it and they

(01:42:36):
were the chiefic crew and and thecamera. The cameraman just got a professional
camera and start to film it becausethe object tried start to move it over
the highway, and they noticed thatmany drivers stop it as well. And

(01:43:00):
people from the house houses nearby thehighway just went out of the houses to
watch it. Wow. And sohow long did the siding last? I
think there was ten five to tenminutes the object was there. And again
it was in two thousand and one. There's no there's no uh satellites and

(01:43:28):
and there planes and satellite and andand drones. There's no drones by that
time. And they start to interviewthe reporter started to interview people. There
was there. They stopped the drive, they stopped to watch the UFL the
people that went out of their househouses to watch it. And in a

(01:43:49):
part of the film, it's notthat one that sent to you the original
film, the full the full film, you can hear the reported Holland do
a traffic center command, I'm seeinga UFO here in the highway. Have
you I'll seen something in in ain a radar. No, let me

(01:44:12):
know he's here. We're feeling it. Wo and and and we investigated this
case. We got this this thisthis film. We traveled to to s
Paolo to show the film to aspecialist to try and understand it. It

(01:44:34):
could be a kite. We've ourcandle hanging. It could be a kite
with a light, some kind oflantern, something like that. And it
specially said, no, it's nota kite. It's impossible because it was
raining. It was a very verystrong wind. But the UFO just stop

(01:45:00):
it and move it against the wind, just like intelligent contract intelligence. And
we're trying to duplicate it. Wegot we bought a kite and we're trying
to put it in a raining day, wind day. We're trying to replicate,

(01:45:23):
duplicate that. It was impossible,Yeah, because the kite just just
went down because the rain, thewin just the kite was wet, so
I could not fly and we wedidn't get an investigation from the Britain Air

(01:45:44):
Force. But our investigation we cannotduplicate what the people saw it. And
we have a video clip, don'twe have that? Yes, yeah,
let's run that and you can seeit. You the UFL with his Parkers,
just parkling, just like just parkling. You can see it all right,

(01:46:09):
Chanelle, let's run up m M. You can see just like stars,

(01:49:15):
something like just trying to rip itup the ball and the camera was
was in a tripod. When yousay that the UFO just disappeared because it
was very fast, it's not thatthe camera in the shoulder of the cameraman
wasn't a tree pod. And whenhe lost the UFO, because you would

(01:49:39):
just accelerate and disappear and then comeback. This is a case where the
witnesses are so important. I meanthat you had a film crew there with
a camera cameraman, professional cameraman thereto film that. I mean, not
to make light. But every nowand again I thought it was like given
the thumb up or given them thehang loose, because it's like morphine.

(01:50:02):
It's just and and you said theygot to see it exit, yes,
just then just disappear, just justfade away and disappear. And the camera
he never saw the UFOL from hisnaked eye. He didn't. He didn't
take out his eye from the camera. Stayed it for ten minutes. Because

(01:50:26):
you know when we say we gotour cell phone and okay, okay,
is it okay, okay, that'swhy we don't have a good, good,
good films of first we tried tosee from our eyes and the camera
can just put the camera and atrip by the cameraman stay it look at

(01:50:46):
focusing the NFL and then when welost it because it was very fast.
This case is it's amazing because theygot more than twenty witnesses of the of
the NFL. It was as said, it was a rainy day, I
wind wind, very windy. Soit's not a kite. It's not a

(01:51:12):
balloon. It's impossible to be aballoon. We tried it. We tried
it and it was just at apretty low elevation because it's dark, so
you really don't have a perspective onthe elevation of that. But it's not
it's not too high. It's nottoo high, I think I think back
then it was two hundred meters atleast two hundred meters because you could see,

(01:51:35):
if you get the whole film,you can see the lights of the
highway, you can see the carslike the lights of the cars, and
you can see you a full upthere. And when they stop it,
they put the tripod and tried andstart to film and why their film the

(01:51:56):
report was asking people calling the atTEFA Center command. So there's no explanation
for that. That's wild that.I can only say, I don't think
I've seen anything like that. Thatwhat it reminded me what you were mentioning,

(01:52:17):
Katie was like, if you've everseen the sun images of the sun
when it's casting off these these Iforget. Yeah, mass coronal objections kind
of had that look and feel toit, or like it was spinning and
the plasma was, you know,trying to escape get thrown off, but

(01:52:38):
it got sucked back. That's highlyunusual. But you know, kudos to
the to the camera guy. Imean, my first question was, you
know, if that was on atripod. The movements that we saw,
it moved in virtually every direction,so whether if it was windy, there
was no balloon because it was goingagainst the wind's going vertical, horizontal,

(01:53:00):
you know, going down. Imean, that was really quite an interesting
and it was long enough where youcould really make some observation. I'm surprised
I'm not aware of that case thatthat that's that was awesome because you are
too young to tell you when we'retoo young. And we went the next

(01:53:20):
day. The next day before wego to Sam paulot and a lot to
analyze the video. The next daywe went to the same place in the
day daylight to see, well,let's see if the electrical tower, if
there's a you know, a housein in a in a in a mountain
that has a light something like that. We try to explain that thing,

(01:53:45):
but we couldn't. We couldn't.It's an uh, it's something that we
never expected. Right. Is thatan area where you get yeah? Yeah,
is that an area where you geta lot of writings in that particular
it was? It was it's acity called samon Baya, Okay, back

(01:54:05):
then since nineteen ninety five, twothousand and two, two thousand and three.
That's that's very it's very it wasa very remote area. But now
it was full of people. Nowit's looking yeah, but at the time,
who had a ten ten I researchten or twelve cases in that area?

(01:54:27):
Wow, it's a lot. Ohmy gosh. So, as per
usual, the clock seems to gofast when we are discussing our favorite topics.
Darn it all. But for thoseof you lucky enough to get out
to Cincinnati to the move On Symposium, I hope you, you know,
go up and introduce yourself to thisamazing researcher. It's been such a pleasure

(01:54:51):
and an honor to have you onour show tonight. And please check out
his book and his website again,you can get that UFO contacts in Brazil.
And you just said it's chocked fullof photographs. How many pages is
this again? Wow? I meaneverybody must own this book. I know

(01:55:12):
I'm going to order as soon asI get offen here. Oh my gosh,
darn it, another book for mycollection. I want to thank you
so much for being our guests tonight, and I hope you have a safe
journey to the States and enjoy yourtime at the symposium. I'm so bummed
I won't be able to meet youin person, but sometime that'll happen,
I'm sure, so have a wonderfuljourney and a wonderful time. Thank you,

(01:55:35):
Shane, Tara. We missed you, and we hope that you're having
a wonderful vacation. And of courseour best to Bill Skywatcher, our producer.
We wish you a speedy recovery andwe want you back one hundred percent
a sap. Yeah, stay outof that pool. Well you could be
in the pool but stop trimming thosetree branches in the backyard. Take it

(01:55:57):
easy a little bit. You know, we think we could do things we
could do when we're you know,eighteen twenty years old, and that's us
anyway. And thank you Chanel foryour wonderful work and co producing this as
well. So again, thank youto all our listeners and we will be

(01:56:17):
back with you next Tuesday Night Liveand until then, I hope you guys
all have a fantastic rest of yourweek. And thank you guys for being
here, and check out don't forgetto report your sightings to move on and
please check out kgradb dot com aswell. Thank you Shane, thank you
Thiago for being here, and untilnext time, good night everybody, Thank

(01:56:38):
you, thank you,