111 - Dylan McKay: Rapist (S10E1 Trials) - Munch My Benson: A Law & Order: SVU Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So why didn't your wife mention that she was a
rape victim raising another victim's son.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It had nothing to do with Christopher. It happened five
years ago before we were.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Married, but would have been our case. Did Gwen not
report it?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Christopher, play nice kiddo. She reported it. We lived in
Jersey City.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Then did they catch the guy?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
No, you better pray they never do.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Gwen met Caitlin in therapy, but she told Detective Tutuola
that it was your idea to take Christopher.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
In there was Gwen told me that Caitlin was having
a rough time raising him. She should have known that
I like to fix things, Tod.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Gwen and I got together after she was attacked. I
went over there to fix her locks again on her
fell in love.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
In New York City, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
These are their stories. Hey, guys, welcome too much. My
Ben said, my name is Adam. I've been a extremely
wet New York City. It's been raining for like twenty
four hours straight and supposed to reign for the next
twenty four hours going forward. So I got that to

(01:42):
look forward to. Of course, I'm joined on the line
by Josh up in the North Country. How are things
up there?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, it's Mother's Day weekends, so we're going to Saint Cloud.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
It's also my sister's younger child is turning five and.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
On the eighth, on the eighth, my wedding anniversary.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Josh, everybody is just doing stuff on the eighth, exactly,
both of their kids were one was five eight one eight.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Eight eight eight is actually Megan in my first date anniversary. Nice,
So that's weird.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
And then it's also my brother in law, my sister's husband,
his birthday was like on Tuesday, I think, right, it's
all coming together.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, their families got a lot of celebrations going on.
I guess.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
We're going up there for that, leave tomorrow morning.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
That's cool. Yeah. I've been alone over here, and of course,
you know, Josh has been trying to convince me to
update my mac os, because I'm the kind of guy
that I think that usually upgrades are scam trying to
screw you over in one way or the other, and
usually I'm found out. I proved myself correct after I
do it, and so I spent all day yesterday, all

(02:51):
fucking day, updating this thing. To the latest mac ows.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Tell everybody what os you were on. Though.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
I was on Sierra, which is fine. It wasn't snow Lepper, Josh,
it wasn't Like way back in the day, Sierra had
everything I needed. I could run my fucking programs, which
now like half my half of my apps are dead.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, if you had Adobe, it's all dead.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, Photoshop is dead. Rip. So I have to use
something called Gimp now, so that'll be fun. It'll take
some learning. It's a freeware image manipulation program.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Basically, at least you'll be able to use DAVINCU resolve
now I can.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, I have, and it looks great now. The thing
that was the real sticking point with this was that
I did not have enough space on my hard drive.
I have a MacBook Air, so it doesn't have tons
of hard drive space. Now it should have had more
than enough space to do this. But you know, I'm
going through all the folders and subfolders, and I'm looking
at the storage stats on my computer in the system,

(03:49):
basically files that are very difficult to touch if at all.
Was taking out over seventy gigs. That's like two or
three times as much as it should take out.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
It's taking that much up because it's probably holding the
different iterations of the new OS's until you got to monoey.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
No, that's not it. It took me for fucking ever
to figure out what it was, and what it was
was that it was saving every single photo and gif
and video from every single text message I'd ever received,
something like forty gigabytes worth of text message, photos and gifts.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I mean, I'm sure like thirty gigs were just from
the text thread that we have going the mic poster
for Life one.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Actually, you don't even know how many pictures of Max
I send, so you have no idea.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
So I mean we get a fair chunk.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
You get a couple, but I send dozens of day
my god man, So like, I want to give a
shout out to this thing. It took me a very
long time to find this particular piece of software, but
it is awesome. It is called Omni disc Sweeper. If
you have a Mac Omni disc Sweeper, it allows you
to actually see very granually where all the space in

(05:09):
your hard drive is being wasted. Because it was impossible
to find this folder that was thirty gigs without it. Anyways,
So I felt like I'd really climbed the mountain, and
then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, guess what,
you get to spend the next two hours installing the thing.
So that was fun. But now now I'm I'm kind
of familiar with how this crazy machine works. Again. I

(05:33):
think I figured out most of my programs that don't work.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
You can delete all those, yeah whatever.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I mean, honestly, it's just extra space I can free up.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
I had to be like attire Adobe sweet that came
preloaded on my fucking computer, because once you switch from
thirty two to sixty four bit, none of that shit support.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Now there's no getting a cracked tor into Photoshop anymore
like the good old days. So whatever, it's do it,
but fuck Adobe, who cares?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
But Makepike do it.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
But the thing is he's going to pay for a subscription.
I don't think you can actually have the subscription on
multiple machines because they no.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, I'm saying, just send the file the Pike and
have him clean it up.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Oh that's a good idea.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah yeah, I mean, I guess he did just have
to buy four news man.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Oh my god, my god, damn it, this city. I
tell you what.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
So Adam and I get a text the other night
from our our mutual friend Pike, and he sent photos
of his car sitting on the goddamn concrete because someone stole.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I mean, you know, normally you kind of like used
to seeing on cinder blocks or something like that. No
motherfucker is just laying.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Oh my god, like get the cinder blocks, assholes.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
There's like one like mismatched, you know, like carjack that's
not even like that's not what.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Clearly collapsed, collapsed because there was nothing holding up any
of the other car.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Insane. Oh man.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
So then he had to go bike. He had to
go buy wheels in a Burlington coat factory parking a
lot of New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I don't know how he got the wheels home. I
haven't asked him about this yet.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I'm sure he had to rent a car.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
But can you put fucking wheels in a rent a car?
I don't know. I mean, I guess, Jesus Christ, I
guess he could have rent a U haul. That's that's
the thing to do. Reny U haul, like a pickup
truck U haul or something.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Just even the van would work. Yeah, the cargo van.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
The cheapest U haul rental that they have the ten
dollars a day one. But fucking hell. You know what's
funny is a good segue because this episode is also
very instructive and actually multiple reasons why you wouldn't want
to own a car in New York City. But Pike's
experiences is a third one. I guess this is kind
of a landmark episode in many ways.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
So it really is.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I feel like we need to just get there, you know,
we have a fun episode to watch. But before we
get there, are you drinking anything?

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Josh? I am drinking Jamison Rocks that I'm sadly probably
gonna have to refill. M I'll do it when we
have to do one of our multiple breaks that we
now have to do, thanks Zoom.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
It's just too damn drinkable, Josh, that's the problem with it.
I'm drinking a world famous near organzet lagger.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
So we are watching season ten, episode one.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
It's called Trials.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Trials. I fucking had a typo. Nice I had it
as trails, Like, that's not right. We were watching season
ten episode one, Trials. We open on Rubes wondering where
they're illegally parked car has been towed off to only
to nearly be splattered across the sidewalk by an erratically

(08:55):
driven Chevy van Being chased by the five ozho, the
van carems off parked cars for blocks before smashing into
a jeep cran Cherokee Laredo, its driver getting surrounded by
the Unis in hot pursuit. They command him to show
his hands and exit the vehicle and out hops a
sassy seven year old boy, asking what's your problem?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
He's so fucking sassy, Guys.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
So sassy at the precinct to Elliott's dealing with a
maxed out stolen credit card when in Walks eighty eight,
Kim Graylik, whose entrance barely registers with the unit, as
Live fields the call regarding the adolescent joy rider, who
claims to have absconded and said vehicle because his foster
parents were abusing him. As Elliott battles with the credit

(09:42):
guard company and Live belatedly deals with the fallout seven
months after the assault in jail that she endured before
Finn save the day back and undercover they enter a
hospital where the attending tells them that the boy doesn't
show any outward signs of abuse, but that he couldn't
get a good look at his asshole to see if
there's been in poop shoot trauma. As they near the

(10:03):
gurney where the boy is supposed to be, the boy
and his clothes are gone, so as the doc goes
to ask the nurses if they've seen the boy, Elliott
decides to check under the gurney, where Christopher Ryan has
coyly hidden himself behind a makeshift curtain of hospital bedding.
The kid shows a casual disregard for any of the

(10:23):
damage done their lives in danger during his joy ride,
but when the prospect of going back to that Foster
family is put on the table, he implores live An
Elliot not to send him back to the home of
Gwen and Noah. Cybert Munch establishes that Noah's one crime
suited for a rap sheet is a decade old punk
song called Public Vagary, released before Noah turned to a

(10:45):
commune upstate to lick his wounds. When Craigan asks what
Noah is now, Finn sneers and lets us all know
that Noah's even worse now. He's a fucking capitalist. Gwen,
who is wait, is that Carrol VESSI and Noah, holy fuck,
that's Dylan. McKay sure arrive at the precinct and Noah,

(11:07):
now fuck that we all know he's Dylan. He's Dylan
is calm and collected, just glad that no one's been hurt,
but quote Gwen is seriously concerned that they just poured
a bunch of money into converting this wrecked late model
van to run off biodiesel. As the unit tries to
pry the couple apart to deal with the mountains of paperwork,
they insist Christopher's joy ride has created. Gwen immediately shows

(11:30):
as the fragile wife who very much wants her husband
in the room, while Dylan grabs the wheel for the
pair of them, stating that his wife gave up her
career to stay home with Christopher, who came to them
supremely damaged. Dylan opines that he thinks they need to
adopt chrissy boy. Well, Gwen's like, we need to throw
a return to center stamp on this shipbird's forehead post taste,

(11:51):
because she's tired of her husband outliving their old shared
life while she tends to this demon spawn after hulking
out over getting to drink half a soda. Christopher concocts
a story of a hotel pimping scene in which Gwen
takes him to a special place where he strips down
and gets down to business with a promise of junk

(12:12):
food afterward. But the Lydia Hotel, where he says this
is all going on, got shut down months ago. Cregan
tells Live to stall the foster parents reunion with a
boy and tells Finn to head out to the Lydia
Hotel with Stabler, but Finn pushes back, asking why his
transfer hasn't been processed and protesting that he doesn't work
with hot head Stabler. Craigan says he doesn't know what's
holding up his three month old transfer request, but that

(12:35):
Finn and Stabler need to get to the hotel to
check out the story. Tootler Toutler wander into the Lydia,
where some weird drug testing operation is up and running
in the dottiest location known to man. Stabler wants to
get an eager gray Lick to subpoena Christopher's medical records
from the testing facility, expecting that he'll be able to
brush her off immediately, but she insists on tagging along,

(12:57):
whether he wants her to or not. Of course, it's
immediately discovered that he's just on experimental ADHD medication for
Christopher's pre existing condition. As they send him off with
the Cyberts, Live hands her card to Christopher, telling him
to call if he feels unsafe again. Then Christopher's caseworker
brings his file to the precinct, where Live discovers that

(13:18):
his biological mother is Caitlin Ryan, a rape victim from
an old case of hers and Caitlyn. Oh, it's Darlene
from Roseanne exactly. Darlene is a fucking mess, never getting
over her assault, which is a freshly traumatized Benson can
absolutely understand. Darlene is suffering from some serious rape trauma syndrome,
telling Live that nothing, not even her survivor support group,

(13:41):
has helped and that she simply can't take care of
her child anymore. In fact, the only thing the support
group was able to help with was finding another home
for Christopher with one of the other rape victims in
the group. When fucking Cybert Dylan tells liv that take
king in Christopher was his idea and that he and

(14:02):
Gwen fell in love while he helped her put her
life back together in the wake of her attack five
years earlier in Jersey City. As the unit laments Darlene
initially failing to disclose that she had a son or
that he was in the apartment when the rape occurred,
they tie her rape to a string of other rapes
of single mothers who the masked serial rapist accused of
being bad moms while attacking them. As they try to

(14:25):
find a common thread among the spread out victims, Finn
remembers that they've been eyeing up a bartender for one
of the other Vicks, and the bar is just up
the street from Darlene's apartment. As Munch tries to get
Finn to open up a bar together to marry themselves
in business, the bartender emerges and says he don't bone,
no broads with kids, and Emily rules out his voice,

(14:46):
suggesting that it was probably the guy from a single
mother dating site who stood her up a week prior
to the attack, whom the unit had been unable to find.
Darlene says she too stood up on a coffee date
sourced from the same dating site as Ben's interview. The
third victim who doesn't fuck with dating sites. Elliott sees
clothing from this Cybert's Hope Coteur Green clothing line on

(15:09):
one of the racks in her store, which can only
mean one thing. Dylan McKay gen X teen heartthrob is
a mother fucking serial rapist, literally, and he's raising the
child of one of his victims. Dylan scoffs at the
notion that the use of his old bandmate's common name

(15:32):
on the dating profiles could somehow be him, and then
Stable suggests why not do a voice lineup. Darlene I
d's Dylan's voice, but the other two victims can't make him,
so graylet cuts him loose, telling an incense to live
that they best bring in the fourth victim and hope
she also Id's Dylan to actually be able to make
the case. Gwen comes at Darlene after the lineups, the

(15:54):
latter unaware that Dylan was a rapist until Gwen's blow up.
The Cyberts try to leave with only to be told
to piss off and that the caseworkers en route to
deal with a boy. Momentarily reunited with her son, Darlene
promises Christopher that she'll do everything she can to bring
him back home, as Craigan breaks the news to Finn
that the transfer guy at ONEPP has it out for

(16:15):
Finn from his days back in narcotics. Elliott discovers that
the person who matched out his card is being hauled
into the precinct, so Elliott bounds downstairs to teach the
guy a lesson, only to be intercepted by a petulant
Kathleen asking why he had her boyfriend arrested after she
took his credit card to pay for Quote books, which
Elliott knows, damn well, is not what was purchased. Liv

(16:35):
gets the file on the fourth victim, who won't be
able to id Dylan's voice because she moved back to
Iowa and killed herself. As Live laments the death of
a victim for whom justice was not served while they
could have seen it. Munch gets a call from the
lab with a DNA hit from the wet kiss Dylan
laid on Christopher's cheek as they parted ways. The victim
on this code is hit Gwen, his fucking wife. As

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Elliot and Olivia haul off Dylan, Gwen doesn't believe they
could possibly be arresting her rapist, looking him in the eyes.
She begs him to tell Olivia and her that he
didn't do it. His response, she needs to say that
she filed a false police report and that they had
consensual sex.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Ouch yesh.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
She then asked the question, and she's slowly realizing is
the absolute truth you're telling me that I married my
own rapist. He tells her that he loved her and
this was the only way that she ended up noticing him.
She delivers a swift knee to Dylan's dong. Gray Lick
pleads him out, using the specter of pursuing a hate
crimes conviction against him to get him to take the

(17:41):
statutory maximum sentence. Gray Lick asks an indifferent unit where
they're going to grab drinks, only to look around and
see no Olivia. Liv has gone off to a doctor
to discuss her attack in prison, which has haunted her
as more time has passed, and we get a if
you thought this was trauma Live, just wait to see
what Warren Light has in store for you, dick Wolf.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
We've definitely been inhabiting Live's therapy sessions a lot recently. Yep.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
It's kind of wild how we're like what one hundred
and eleven episodes in and we've seen all but one
of the William Lewis episodes and Undercover, like we've gotten
a lot of live trauma early.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, which means that we're gonna get a lot of
Rellin's sister late right.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, Yeah, Kim is just waiting in the weeds.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I was kind of bummed by the way the dick
Wolf occurred in this one, because you know, it's like
such a great scene where Dylan McKay is revealed to
be the rapist, and then it's just like, I hate
it when they do that, like the danumoire that takes
you know, five minutes, and.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
It's yeah, it's like thirty eight minutes of peak insanity
and then.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, thirty eight minutes of like peak stunt casting, just
like wild kid actors. Yeah, just marvelous subplots, and then
it's just like, no down shift, hit the brakes, the
episode's over. It's a little bit of a bum that
that happened.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, it's anti climactic in the way that we wanted
to be climactic.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Huh. But I mean we're talking about an episode with
Darlene and Dylan McKay in it.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Dylan McKay rapes Darlene and it takes her kid. He
raped Carol Vessey before, you know, obviously this is before
she was Claire Dunfi, but whatever.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
So Josh is already teasing the bevy of big stars
that are in this one.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Guest stars. Yeah, boy, do we have them in this one.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
I mean like stars, man like stars, massive stars.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
So we've already talked about Beidlan McWilliams, who's playing CSU Tech.
Martin talked about her back in month. My Ben's in
episode ninety We've got her blooded. We need to shoot
this fast, which was talking about season fifteen, episode twenty one,
post Mortem.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Blues, that was the final William Lewis episode.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yes, we have not, much to my chagrin, talked about
al Psycho. He was playing Kathleen Stabler. But I'm going
to save that for an episode where she's more prominently
featured and one that doesn't already have a fuckload of
notes about other guest stars. Yeah, first out, Luke Perry
playing Dylan McKay. I mean, Noah.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Cybern playing pike.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, I had a playing pike from a not our
friend who just had his wheel stolen, but a pike
from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He was born in Mansfield, Ohio,
and raised in Fredericktown, Ohio, to a homemaker and steel worker.
His parents divorced when he was six. His dad died
of a heart attack when Luke was fourteen, but Luke
looked more to his stepfather as a model anyway. He
moved to LA after high school graduation to pursue acting

(20:40):
in nineteen eighty four, working odd jobs while only getting
a featured extra role in the Twisted Sister video for
be Cruel to Your School, which I just watched. You
can tell it's him, That's basically it. But he's just
a student in a classroom and start of brushes by
about Cat Goldthwaite. He moved to New York after a
few years in LA, and after two hundred and fifty

(21:02):
six auditions, finally got his first gig as the recurring
dirt Poor Mechanic ned On Loving, a soap opera that
Adam and I might remember, but most for our listeners
probably don't. He had a ten episode run after that
on Another World before finally landing his breakout role in
Beverly Hills Nino two to one zero. Originally auditioning to

(21:24):
play Steve Sanders before getting cast as Dylan McKay, a
role which made him maybe the heart throw poster boy
of the early nineties. I would say definitely, but I
guess you maybe have a couple other people you could
mix in there.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Dylan McKay was He was everything back in the early days.
I mean everything, everything, everything, at least on television. You know,
there's like obviously film heart throbs, but I don't know
if anybody you know, captured quite the zeitgeist like Dylan
McKay did.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
No, I mean, I probably would have done a metic.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Kid when you're eleven years old.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Eleven when it came out. After moonlighting in films with
parts in Buffy, the Vampire Slayer, Terminal Bliss, and eight Seconds,
Perry opted to leave nine to two and oh after
season six to try to play more adult roles. Of course,
he chose to leave nine O two and oh back
when TV actors did not make the transition to film
actors with ease. Look at how long it took George Clooney,

(22:23):
and George Clooney has undeniable star power. Ye, he basically
just did a few forgettable mid nineties crime indies and
had a small role in the Fifth Element before returning
nine O two and oh after two seasons away in
a more limited special guest star capacity, playing out the
string from nineteen ninety eight until the end of the
show in What two thousand or so. After nine O
two and oh, he did a ten episode run on OZ.

(22:45):
Starred in the post apocalyptic Showtime series Jeremiah for two seasons,
which I start alongside Malcolm Jamal Warner, co starred in
the short lived Ensemble Network drama Windfall, and was main
cast in the David Milch g's as a surfer HBO
drama John from Cincinnati. Before taking this part and as

(23:06):
for You to fully shed the skin of Dylan McKay.
For the eight years that followed this, he basically spent
his days going from minor film role to guest spot
on a TV show to starring in the occasional Hallmark
TV movie until landing in Riverdale, where he played Archie's dad,
until suffering a massive ischemic stroke at his Sherman Oaks

(23:27):
home on February twenty seventh, twenty nineteen. He had another
stroke a few days later, and his family decided to
remove him from life support. On March fourth, twenty nineteen,
where he died at the age of fifty two. Yeah
it is. He was survived by his fiance, Wendy Madison Bauer,

(23:47):
and his two children, Jack and Sophie, who were children
by his first wife, Rachel Minnie Sharp. The last film
he acted in was Once Upon a Time in Mexico,
which was released the summer after. Sorry It's by the
Time in Hollywood. Totally different, Yeah, very different movies Once
Upon a Time in Hollywood, which was released the summer
after his death. Next up, Julie Bowen is playing Gwen Cybert.

(24:09):
She's born in Baltimore, Maryland, to a commercial real estate developer,
John Lute Camyer Junior and his wife Suzanne. She was
a middle of three daughters, with her sisters being noted
infectious disease specialist Annie Lutkeamyer and designer Molly Lute Cameyer.
I know Annie Lutkeameyer was apparently someone who would do
talking headshif for COVID during COVID Yeah. Julie Bowen grew

(24:32):
up in suburban Ruxton Ryderwood, Maryland, first attending Calvert School,
then Garrison Forrest School, Rowland Park Country School and finally
Saint George's School in Middletown, Rhode Island. She majored in
Italian Renaissance studies at Brown. If you need to know
what kind of background she comes from, because you're not
doing anything with that. Spending her junior year in Florence.

(24:57):
In college, she performed in Guys and Dolls, Stayed and
Lemon Sky, and landed the lead role in an indie film,
five Spot Jewel. She went on to study acting at
the Actors Institute. Her first big role was as the
love interest in Happy Gilmour, which eventually led to a
nine episode round on er and a main cast role

(25:17):
in Lawyer in a Small town bowling Alley dramedy Ed,
where she played the titular character's high school obsession slash
love interest, Carol Vessi for four seasons, alongside Tom Cavanaugh,
Michael ian Black, Justin Long, and John Slattery. She then
had a five episode recurring role and Lost, where Jack
performed surgery on her and they eventually married through the flashbacks.

(25:41):
She was main cast in Boston Legal for seasons two
and three, and was a guest star in season five,
appearing in a total of fifty episodes. She appeared in
a season of Weeds right alongside this SVU guest spot,
and then landed the role of Claire Dunfe in Modern Family,
where she appeared in two two hundred and fifty episodes,

(26:01):
directing two of them and earning six Emmy nominations and
two Emmys for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
That show has been on for so goddamn long.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
It's over now. Yeah, Wow, mercifully.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
It's one of those things you can put on in
the background. That's the only I really dislike it. I
don't I've never really been into it, but I guess
I've seen a little.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
I don't know anyway. You may have also seen her
in the film's Multiplicity, Thank You, An American Werewolf in Paris,
Jumping the Broom, Horrible Bosses, HUBI, Halloween, Conception, Not Inception, Conception,
and The Fallout. In November of twenty twenty one, her
production company Bowen and Sons entered a first look deal
with Universal Television. She suffers from Brady cardia and has

(26:45):
warn a pacemaker since early twenties. Interesting that's a like
abnormally low heart rate. She has three sons, with her
now ex husband, real estate investor and software developer, Scott Phillips.
Next up Sarah Gilbert's playing Caitlin Ryan. She was born
in Santa Monica to Barbara Cohen born Crane and Harold Abolis.

(27:07):
Her maternal grandfather was the creator of The Honeymooners. She
has four older half siblings, two on each side. On
her mother's side. Her half siblings are Melissa Gilbert and
Jonathan Gilbert, stars of Little House on the Prairie. After
a few TV movies and a kool Aid commercial, she
landed the role of the sarcastic middle child Darlene Connor

(27:29):
on the hit sitcom Roseanne when she was just thirteen.
In season four, she wrote the story for an episode.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
When she was seventeen years old, Damn.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Wrote the story for an episode per WGA rules, members
had to write the teleplay, but she had a story
by credit. She was twice nominated for the Emmy four
Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series for this role,
and she was deemed so integral to the show that
when she went off to Yale, they worked around her
schedule and did remote soundstage shoots in New York to
keep her on the show, and that's on a multi cam,

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like that's on a stage show. They were doing that
while shooting Roseanne. She dated co star Johnny Gillecki. While
they were dating, she realized she was a lesbian. They're
still good friends, as one would assume given her later
recurring role on The Big Bang Theory. She had a
slew of main slash lead roles on short lived sitcomcert
pilots that didn't go Welcome to New York, in the Game, Twins,

(28:24):
Girls on the Bus, Bad Teacher, and Living Biblically. About
ten years into the post Yale cycle of gearing up
for a new show that may or may not go,
she created the panel daytime talk show The Talk, serving
as an executive producer in addition to appearing as a
co host on the panel. In twenty eighteen, Roseanne started
back up after twenty years off the air, but Roseanne

(28:45):
tweeted her way off the show bearing her name, and
it returned the next season as The Connors killing off
Roseanne off screen. It's still going four years after having
to spin off from Roseanne. You may have also seen
her in Poison IVY, for which he was non are
an independent Spirit Award, Desert Blue lighted Up The Big Tease,
high Fidelity, riding in cars with boys, and Laws of Attraction.

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She was with TV producer Ali Adler for about ten years,
having two kids together. After parting ways with Adler, she
began a relationship with former Four Non Blondes frontwoman Linda
Perry Weird, marrying in twenty fourteen, having a son in
twenty fifteen, and eventually separating in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Man, it's a good opportunity for you to drop in
some four Non Blondes, Josh.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
You know what, I won't be doing dropping in any
for non blow.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
And I said, hey, there is not a song going on, Josh, Well,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Think there's a song that I hate more than that song,
which is sang a lot. I really can't deal with
it when it's being played. It hurts.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I woke in the morning and I went outside and.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, fuck off. Okay, So next up we've got Jay Head,
who's playing Christopher Ryan. He was born in a Amlin, Texas,
with no aorda weird, meaning he had to have open
heart surgery at two months and fourteen months. Over a
three year period, his pulmonary vein was converted into an
aorda damn. Yeah. He was Riggan's hot neighbor's kid on

(30:14):
Friday Night Lights, the little brother in the blind Side,
and was in Hancock. He's acted a little as an adult,
probably most notably in one episode of Yellowstone a few
years back. Next up, Mary Beth Evans, who's playing doctor Eikenberry? Yeah,
this is the one running the study. She was born
in Pasadena, grew up in Orange County, graduating from Huntingdon

(30:35):
Beach High School. She married cosmetic surgeon Michael Schwartz in
nineteen eighty five. They have three children together. In nineteen
eighty six, she joined the cast of Days of Our Lives,
playing Caleb Brady. She stayed there until nineteen ninety two,
when she left to join the cast of General Hospital
the next year, playing Catherine Bell through the end of
the nineties. She left General Hospital for As the World Turns,

(30:56):
playing Sierra Esteban Drake through two thousand and five. In
two thousand and six, she returned to Days, reprising the
role of doctor cayleab Brady Johnson, which she is still
playing till this day.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
I didn't even know the Days of Our Lives was
still on I know where do you even watch it?

Speaker 3 (31:11):
I don't know all told, If IMDb is to be believed,
she's appeared in eighteen hundred and ninety six episodes of
Days of Our Lives and counting.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
That's a lot. That's a lot, a lot.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I tried. I tried to load that her credits on IMDb,
and it just like it didn't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
What smoke started to your computer?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Like if you thought rendering video was a was a
it was a like like power suck on your computer.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Jesus cool.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
It was never gonna load that. Next up, we've got
Lisa Strum who's playing Tanya Majeski. She's from Philadelphia. She
has an mfan acting from the University of Washington in Seattle.
She's done a ton of theater work both regionally and
in New York, including her solo show She Gone Learn.
She's this role for the third and final time. We
saw her back in munch My Bench in episode fourteen,

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playing this role. Death or Christian Entertainment was that episode
which we talked about in season eight, episode twenty one.
Per tend only got this one and one more interesting.
Anthony Okunboa, who is playing doctor McCary. He was born
in London to Nigerian parents. He studied drama at Middlesex
University in London, then relocated to the US in nineteen

(32:26):
ninety two for postgraduate work at the Lee Strasburg Theater
in Film Institute. He moved to la in nineteen ninety eight.
After some minor guest spots in The X Files which
you know this Shared Universe Arles, NYPD Blue and The
Bolden The Beautiful, he got the gig of DJ on
The Ellen DeGeneres Show. He did that from two thousand
and three to two thousand and six and again from

(32:47):
twentousand and eight to twenty thirteen. Since twenty nineteen, he's
been main cast in Bob Hart's Abashola, where he plays Kofo.
And lastly, I realized that we have not discussed Mikayla McManus.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
We haven't seen her in a long time, so no, but.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
This is her first episode and I figured it was
kind of fitting, So she is obviously playing eighty eight
Kim Graylick. She is from Warwick, Rhode Island, graduating from
Tollgate High School and then going on to graduate from Fordham.
She attended NYU's graduate acting program before leaving to pursue
her career in LA. She had her first break with

(33:25):
a recurring role as Chad Michael Murray's love interest in
season five and season six of One Tree Hill. Then
the next season she was main cast in SVU as
gray Lick. She was written out abruptly after thirteen episodes,
with Neil Baar telling TV Guide she's moved on. Sometimes
the part and the actor just don't mesh. It was

(33:45):
a mutual decision. Mikayla stated that it was quote really tricky.
The character has a lot of brain power and her
vocabulary is different than mine. Gray Lick was called back
to by the Justice Department midway through a case major
major pooci with Kava just waltzing into a crime scene

(34:10):
to the unit surprise, can't wait till we get to
that episode. That's gonna be weird. After she had a
recurring role on The Vampire Diaries, then was main cast
and Awake, but was somehow credit only in ten of
the thirteen episodes. I don't know how that works. I
don't know how your main cast in a thirteen episode
series and you're only in three of them. Well, she

(34:33):
was main cast in Aquarius in the Village and had
recurring roles in Seal Team, The Orville and You. She's
been in the films About Fifty, Cafe, Funeral, Kings, Into
the Grizzly Maze, Love Finds You in Valentine, and The
Block Island Sound, which I believe just came out like
last year and was on one of the streaming services.
I think it's on Netflix. She's married to TV writer

(34:55):
slash producer Mike Daniels, who she looks to have met
while working on One Hell. They have at least one child.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
I feel like when they were doing the casting for
gray Lick, they definitely remembered that we want a model
to be the ada of it, but they forgot that
they needed somebody that sounded convincing as a lawyer. Yeah.
It's not that I think MICHAELA. McMahon is a bad actress.
She's just not a lawyer.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Yeah. Anyways, so I sort of have a larger note
just about where this episode's falling in. So yeah, let's
knock that out real quick.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, definitely, because this, especially Finn's subplot in this is.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Well, fins and lives are kind of weird. Ye and Frankly,
we shouldn't really be dealing with lives at this point,
but somehow we are.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
So.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
In addition to the two thousand and eight Riders strike
depriving us of the full season order of episodes that
we're supposed to feature Chester Lake, like that's a nineteen
episode season, we also suddenly get dropped back into Live
dealing with the fallout of her Dick Mole seeing sexual assault.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Now that happened seven months prior to the dates in
this episode and was certainly not touched upon in either Closet,
which was right after Undercover, Yeah, or in Trade, which
was the second to last episode of season nine. Yeah.
Season nine, and the last episode of season nine is
Lake's exit, Yeah, which I cannot fathom them dealing with

(36:28):
the fallout from Live's assault there. The other one is
the Robin Williams episode. There are only four after that,
so like none of those episodes deal with this at all.
It's just like left, like she has the assault and
then there's like not really any any room for her
to deal with it because we.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Have huge stars. Plus we have to get rid of
out of Beach.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah. So we're in a weird space that somehow for
the reasons that are largely tied to the Ryder strike
surely have to be tied to the Rider strike.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
That makes tons of sense.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
We're dealing with this stuff way later than we should be. Yeah,
and it seems weird, like liv probably wouldn't have been
able to compartmentalize it to be like able to function
for six months, only to have it now creep in.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
So it's a little weird that we're dealing with us
so much later because that was in February. Yeah, and
this is in September anyway.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
So, and the other thing is Finn is furious this
whole episode. He's like steamed.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I frankly don't even remember why.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Well, he's talking shit to Craigan and Elliott the whole time,
and it's all because he blames, particularly Elliott, for the
way that Lake.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Led oh right, the way that Lake exited out.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, and so that all has to do with the
last I guess with season nine episode nineteen, which we
haven't seen yet. But that's why Finn is so pissed
off and why he's so desperate for an exit. I'm
curious to see if we ever watched ten two or
how soon we watch ten two if he drops it
right away, because he is really pissed off in this one.
It does not seem like the kind of guy you

(38:00):
want watching your back if you're Elliott.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, I love how we when they pull up in
front of the Hotel Lydia or Lydia Hotel, how abruptly
he breaks, like he just slams on the brakes and
he gets out of the car and you can tell
he's like taking it out right there, pissed and he's
actually driving too.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
So yeah, there's a few times there he's like, you
need to make any other calls, Elliott, you know, stuff
like that. Yeah, it's pretty funny, but yeah, that didn't
need to come out of the way. But the cold
open in the bar are really the two things that
I'm focused on primarily.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Okay, so I focused on more other stuff, So that's good. Yeah,
cold open, So you start with dipshit who parked their
car and a toeways on which I'm sure you've seen
people dealing with, Josh.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
This cold open is a metaphor for what it is
like to live in New York, not just to what
it's like to live in New York. As a car owner,
but the whole entire experience every step you take, everything
you do, there is fine print that would require some
kind of like lifelong New York or or like somebody
needs to interpret for you that you didn't read that

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you're getting fucked for, right, every step you take, there's
some fine print that you're getting fucked for here. And
also every step you take there's something trying to kill you.
So you're getting screwed and you're about to die. Whether
it's you own a car and your car is getting
toted or ticketed like all the time, or Kane doesn't
meter reading and your bill is five hundred dollars when

(39:25):
they didn't realize it was going to be that speaking
from personal experience, and you know, there's just all this
shit going on that's trying to fuck you over. And
there's a truck that's trying to blow through the crosswalk
while there's like twenty people in the middle of the crosswalk,
and it's like, come on, fucking man. Anyways, that is

(39:46):
the experience here. Everything about owning a car here is
a pain in the ass. Either you will get a
ticket every day or your eight year old foster child
will steal it and drive it into literally every car
that it you can't. And I gotta say, man, like,
what kind of stunts budget did they have for season ten?
Did they just blow it all right here?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
I mean, so the dipshit who parked the car in
the tollway zone is a stunt man.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
That, and so was the copper pulls them over. Okay, right,
Like I know they've both been driving stunt men, so
they're obviously the stunt men and the two car chase
and then obviously the one sort of on camera having
to dive out of the way, so the cop is
behind the wheel of the vent at that point. You know,
the van windows are pretty tinted.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
So still they played bumper cars, but I don't know
at least like three or four other cars.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Oh yeah, and those are just parked cars. Those aren't
even those aren't even picture cars that they were hitting. Yeah,
that's just life in New York. You know, one day
you're gonna get your car smashed by SVUA.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Or somebody that was on Pike's fucking block. Josh like like, aah,
it's a quiet residential block. It's not like it's not
the hood, and somebody stole four wheels off of that shit.
Oh my god, unbelievable. Okay, so when the cops jump
out right, none of them look like cops really, So
you have three cops stunt man on. It's a stunt man.

(41:06):
He's kind of like a tossled, lazy looking dude, look,
is what I would call him. That's the guy, the
one who's speaking into the microphone. Then you've got another
guy who has that like I'm a professional background actor hair.
Oh yeah, and then you've got a woman who looks
like a stoned young Miriam Adelson. And none of them
look like they.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
I mean, whoever is getting out of the driver's seat
of any of the cars. Those are stunt people. Yeah,
so those are all stunt people, and then whoever the
others are just extras.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
So what happens when when like Finn's driving, when Iced
Tea is driving.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
First, possible that they have that on a It's possible
they had that on a trailer. M I don't remember
seeing the tires at all without a cut.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, I'd have to go back and look. That's interesting,
but it's possible.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
I mean, it's possible he would have been driving it
because they only show him driving for like five feet exactly,
So it's possible he would have been driving, but it
almost would never happen that you're looking at an actor
driving a car unless you're talking about, you know, the
noted stunt actors.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I worked on a small, like a student film kind
of thing where that guy wanted to do like a
scene with a car, and it was like, dude, we
can't do this. This is not going to work. This
is insanely dangerous to be driving around trying to shoot
a movie. Anyways, so the kid makes a grand entrance.

(42:23):
This kid is sassy af.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
He's at eleven the entire time, except for when he's
asking his caseworker for a hamburger. Yeah, and he's turning
on the charm or.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
At the end when he's got that little touching moment
with Darlene where he's like, I do love you, mom.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Hey, I want to know that we are going to
call Darlene Darlene and Dylan Dylan.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I don't know what their characters' names are. I didn't
have to write the recap, so I didn't look that closely,
but they're Darlene and Dylan.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Yeah, I mean sure, Caitlin and Danoah whatever, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Right before Gray Lick walks in, I think we're treated
to Elliott's complaining about his credit card fees. Yeah, and
I kind of wish we had more of these like
Seinfeldian b plots, because.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
See, I think this is just setting up what's going
to happen with Kathleen in a couple episodes.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Then yeah, no, it didn't wrap up, which it would
have been kind of more fun if it like neatly
wrapped up, right if like Finn needs to buy an
armoire and yeah, lives having trouble getting her nails done.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
And the arm more is what ends up being able
to tie Caitlin Ryan's apartment.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Together, exactly exactly. I wish there was a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Of that where it all ends in a like Seinfeldi
in her Curby Your Enthusiasm way, where all of the fucking.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Plot all the plot lines ended the sea. Yeah exactly.
So like, yeah, the armor that Finn bought is actually
solving the case somehow.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Or I guess it's going to be at the fucking
psychiatrist's office that lives at in the very end, which
is an unsatisfying button.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
This kind of got me going on a sidetracked, So
you have Elliott's credit cards. Munch talks about the bar
that he wants to open.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Really want that to happen.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I know, but I thought about this. Besides a few
of these little notes, we don't know anything about any
of the characters on SVU Josh. We don't know anything
about their hobbies. We know that Elliott's home life is
a mess. I guess we kind of know about Rolin's hobbies,
But do we know about any of the other character.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Because Rolin's hobbies get her in Dutch with a mom.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Anyways, I just.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Wish into the plane air painters.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Lives into the plane air painters, and she's into dating
men that are like intellectually beneath her.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Cassidy's into golfing at fucking Frisbee golf courses.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Like like lighting entire parking lots full of cars on fire,
you know, stuff like that. Yeah, what else? Craigan, Kraigan's
into AA meetings, you know, and.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Maybe the rodeo because he's got.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
That cowboy cowboy absolutely well.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
And Monch is just into you know, well, we know what.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Munch is into. He's into progressively larger anal plugs.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yeah, there's that which is cool, you know, different strokes.
So Graylck really wants to drink.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
With these people and they don't want to drink with her. Man.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
No, No, it's kind of saying something unintentionally of course,
that no one gives a fuck that Greyle is even there.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
How can I help you?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
First of all, apologies, I know you were expecting me
last week, but I got held up in.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
DC on personal business. Long story.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Tell you all about it over drinks sometime after we
all get to know.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Each other better.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Great, who are you, Kim Gray? Like flateral move from
the Office of Violence Against Women? I'm your new idea.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah, sorry, Detective Stable Special Victims.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Nice to meet you all. Yes, but uh, it is
indicative of the path she's going to walk down on
the show, where she's met with utter indifference and then
he's pooch eed off to.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
D C Oh my god, poor thing.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yeah, okay, Sollen goes neopunk to neo hippie to capitalist,
which is kind of a sad statement but kind of
indicative of what the entire boomer generation did, you know,
not neopunk but.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Hippie to Yeah, I mean I guess, uh, hippie.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
A greedy capitalist Dylan. He's younger.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, he's more gen X, even though he's a little old.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Like the very beginning of gen X, but like at
the at the point where like, really he's in that
weird post boomer microgeneration.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, just like we're in the weird post gen X microgeneration.
But yeah, it's the same kind of thing. There's a
lot of advice in this episode. Just a little side
because I think you skipped over the hospital scene where
they found the little boy.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Oh yeah, very much, So I didn't want to talk
about that.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
You didn't want to talk about.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
I talked about it in the recap about that and
how a boy wouldn't yeah, the boy wouldn't let him
look at his butthole.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah. But there's just so much advice given in this
episode because in this scene it really made me think
about it because Elliott's basically giving live advice on how
you deal with a braddy in this scene. And we've
already seen Elliot give us advice on how to deal
with the stolen credit card. We've seen some advice on
how to avoid parking tickets, that's learn what the signs
need or have a badge yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
It well, because Finn absolutely parks right in front of
a height and at the at the Lydia Hotel.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Oh, Josh, if you want to get fucking irate about
cops parking, I'll take some day trips to where the
precincts are and show you how they park their cars.
It's fucking like madness, it's outrageous, it's utter disrespect for
the fucking people they're supposed to work for.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
So apparently sometime around Perry's death, there's a person in
the background of an episode wearing a public Vagary shirt.
Really in one of the episodes of SVU is a
nice nod, Yeah, but who wears a T shirt of
a band that had one song and a band who's
one song apparently was also the name of the band,
because Munch says that public Vagary is a song, and

(47:55):
then later in the episode you say that public Vagary
is the name of the band. So this is like
some talk talk shit.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I would wear a public Bakery shirt.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I would wear a talk talk shirt.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, but I would wear a Citizen Dick shirt, you know,
speaking of like fake bands that only have one or
two songs.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Making sure moms stay home to raise their children as
super punk rock, right.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
I mean, I suppose being a serial rapist.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Governing ideology does not make sense. Cerial rapist that's punk
rock gasp. I mean, there's a long history of fucked
up shit in punk rock. But stay at home moms,
that's not.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
The thing is Also, their business is like an eco
friendly fashion line, right, Like why can't they both do
the fucking business from home whilst they're both raising the kid?
I don't quite understand.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Oh, you have no idea what the green Oak Go
tour industry.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Is, Like, Adam, I really don't.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Really long days. So Gwen sneakes in Candy to pimpomout,
which it's too bad we know he's lying because that
would have been hell of a twist. Yeah, I really
wish that's where the episode went. That would have been
in pimping out a seven year old for candy.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I mean, really, the kid had a lot of like
great kind of little episodes that could have been made
about him. But this Lydeo hotel thing is kind of
like since when our Rundown flophouse is used as medical
testing facilities?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Like, it's just batshit way, No, they just think there's
plenty of bullshit office space off in the suburbs.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Yes, yeah, you go out into Jersey or something, I
don't know. You go someplace like completely boring and bland,
and you yeah, it's linoleum floors and false ceilings and
fucking fluorescent lights. That's where you get tested for that shit.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
So pincushion guy he gets on a screen time and
he's not an under five at all. No, but he's
gotta be kind of bummed because he's basically just doing
an exposition dump on medical trials. You can't like use
that for your real can you.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Nah? I mean, like his first little bit where he's
like a man, this sucks because we're not even like.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
We're not even really making the big bucks. Yeah, you know,
we're not dealing. We're not getting any pain out of this.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
They're not any bad side effect this drug.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
I feel bad for him because I think he's actually
kind of good as whatever this is. But you know,
it's obviously not something that led to more work or
led to significantly more work.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
It's a rough business being an actor.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yeah, Stabler does not want Gray like with them.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
No, he doesn't want Gray like around here or later.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
I guess because like her second volley asking for drinks
is met with another man.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
It's just sad. It's sad.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
She just really wants to make friends. She's fresh from DC.
She wants to work for justice. Yes, she's just a crusader.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
She wants to get her you know, her hands wet
and her feet dirty.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
And maybe she's not comfortable with her vocabulary.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
But you know, yeah, I feel like she should have
probably been like one of the lady to detectives on
CI or something that would have been a better role
for McManus something like that. Yeah, so Darlene actually kind
of has a nice apartment. I don't know if you've noticed.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
It was hard to tell.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
There were little touches that made it look fucked up,
but most of what was actually making it look bad
was just like laundry waiting to be ironed. They just
like poured laundry all over the place.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Also half eaten food, not in dishes anymore, on the counter.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
But it had very high ceilings. It was a big room.
There was a very nice like I don't know if
it was like it was like a display cabinet, you know,
like something where you put your china something like that.
It was very nice.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Or you're eighty to ninety wineglasses exactly to your orgy.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, it's definitely a place to put your orgy glasses,
which just thanks the question. Right, that's a lot of
people for an orgy, right, going back many episodes, that's
a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
That was why I was shocked. So the episode needs
the undercover flashback because it's been so fucking long since
Undercover happened right before this. I am glad that Christopher
really boned the Cyberts with an elevator ride with all

(52:19):
the stops.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
That's aw. Yeah. Now here's a little advice to you, guys.
If you ever have a little boy in an elevator
and he asked to hit the buttons, he's asking to
hit all of the buttons. So when you say yes,
he's gonna do it. So you hit the buttons and
you hold him away from the buttons. That's your game
plan there, guys.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
So Caitlin Ryan is a second I. So hers is
spelled c a i t l y n, but if
it was c a I t l i N, she
would be the same name as Stacy must Deson's character's name,
and the de Grassy Universe og Degrassis, and then you
know she's back as Caitlin Ryan, the reporter who's still

(52:57):
friends with Emma's mom and Joe.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
You think it's a nod, it's a hat tip.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
I hope. So yeah, I think there's a big de
Grassi fan on the staff at this point. It is
kind of nice to see an apartment that's like not
really a disaster. We don't get to see victims in
this state very often. We're usually with victims who are
dealing with something a lot more fresh. Yeah, and this

(53:23):
is like two years of like her life falling apart.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah, it is kind of interesting because it is kind
of like a different path to tread down. It's not
common that we're coming to somebody who's kind of been
failed by the justice system as a victim.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
No, of course, at the apartment, Benson finds out that
Caitlin gave her kid to another victim in the group
that victims, Gwen, And so then what does Benson do.
She doesn't go and ask Gwen about it. She asks Dylan.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, she goes to quote unquote morning Star Park with Dylan,
which is weird to me because real quick before we
get into it, this location was weird to me because
I get why they have to use fake addresses on
streets because the typically it's a private property, that's what
you're dealing with. So sometimes if they use a real address,
it's a school or a church something like that, Right,
But the parks are all public property. There's no reason

(54:12):
to not say park in morning Side Park, which is
a real park.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Or instead of morning Central Park.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Morning Star is not a real park. I'm almost one
hundred percent sure it's a playground in Riverside Park given
this amography in the background. But I didn't take the
time to look at every fucking children's playground in Riverside
Park because Riverside Park is like five miles long.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
So sure it goes along the side of the river.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
It does as the name implies, and the river is
not short. No, it's a big well it's actually it's
not a river, but I think it's a fjord. Josh,
it's a fjord.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Sure man, So on the playground, yeah, Christopher, total deck.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Terrible kid, just awful kid, shocking.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
You wouldn't really think after seeing him like steal a car,
bounce it off of fucking like fifth teen random cars
before smashing into a jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
And then almost like throw Stabler across the fucking park
when he threw the soda.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Throws away half a soda. Jesus Christ, when he hulks
out over that soda and they have to like take
him by the legs and lift him off of the ground,
so he's like floating like Superman or something.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Oh, I identified with that that happens.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Can we get video next time that happens?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
But yeah, that kid, I guess I've seen some kids
throwing some fucking playground tempertandas like that. But that was
pretty rough.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
So Benson bafflingly asks Dylan about the rape instead of Gwen.
Still don't understand why she would do that investigative for
the Well, they had Luke Perry and they needed to
give him another scene. That's what the governing principle of
this is. But if that happened in real life, she
should be asking the fucking victim, not the person who

(55:54):
ends up being the rapist.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Well, of course, and it just begs the question of
the writing staff, like couldn't they have figured out the
a better reason to have this.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Different way to get him another scene, like god, so the.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Bartender before we get to the bartender.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
I love this scene, this entire scene, my.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Favorite scene, possibly my favorite scene in the Show's there's
a lot of good. The last one let the last.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Dillasil getting neat in the junk and the wait, you're
telling me I married my rapist? That scene probably it
is so insane, but this scene is so much fun.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
I have a lot to say about this bar. So
the bar is Emily's favorite dive as we're told to
Emily being one of the big dive bar at all.
I'll get there, but first off, before we get to
whether that was a dive bar or not. But that's
what we're led to believe. Sure, we see a map
where they show where all these people live and where
the bar is. They put it on screen. Emily lives

(56:47):
in like fucking Tribeca, like way downtown, like almost to
the financial district, Way downtown.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Oh yeah, where they show that's her face. It it's
got to be next to her work or something. But
it's insane. It's that this is her favorite bar. It's
so far from her house.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
This bar is like way uptown, and it's like one
thing for people who live uptown. To have a favorite
bar that's downtown. That's a thing that makes sense because
there's like tens of thousands of bars in Lower Manhattan.
Yeah there's a lot, but you don't go from Lower Manhattan,
center of the universe, to like the relative suburbs of

(57:22):
the Upper West Side to go to a fucking dive bar. Now,
the biggest issue is when we actually get there, because
remember that S for you has established this is supposed
to be a dive bar. That's what they said. And
then bit and much get there and they walk in,
and the funny thing about it is that the people
that are in it. So you've got a guy at
the bar who's like got long hair and he's slumped
over what looks to be like a cheap logger. That

(57:44):
guy belongs in a dive bar. Absolutely, the bartender.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
That's the guy that I want at the bar at
all times in my dive bar when I finally.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah, the guy at the bar is a is a
dude at a dive bar. And the bartender is a
dude who like pulls beers at an Irish pub, which
is this is supposed to be that they was the
first bartender.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
The guy who's just like the one that they bring out.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah, the guy who's just like he's like polishing a
glass or something, and they're like, hey, where's this dude?
He just like doesn't say anything.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Yeah, I'll just let you guys talk about the bar
you're gonna But that guy's a dive bar bartender. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
However, the bar that they're in.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Is not the home for either of these men.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
It's a swinky wine bar. It's huge. For one thing,
it has very high ceilings. It is a very large
modern space with like concrete floors.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Like a huge open door to the to the streets.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
It's got like those kind of like glass pane garage
doors that fold open. Right. They're giant wine casks all
over as the core, and there's like a walls with
like thousands of wine bottles on it. This is not
like locations and script were not on the same page
at all.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
No locations. Okay, So I think what happened. My guess
is they had a dive bar lined up, and as
they're doing the tech scout for the episode, the eighty
gets to the dive bar and they're like, we can't
shoot in this bar, Like there's no space for our
cameras and they'd already had like parking and everything like
lined up, and so then they're like, okay, let's scramble

(59:15):
for another bar. And so they they found this one,
and they hope that no one would notice.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah they were wrong, because.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
I noticed and it's not a dive bar at all.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
And then and then the other bartender comes out and
this guy is definitely like, Wow, this guy is a
very New York kind of guy. I feel like this
guy was almost certainly probably.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Had his dad was a construction worker, and he realized
that he could work fewer hours and make the same
kind of money while still leering at women and sexually
harassing them on the job. So he was like, I'm
going to be a bartender.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Gosh, this guy dropped like four figures at a strip
club in Times Square after the Rangers Pens game last night.
You know, like like, this guy is definitely New York character.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
No, this is this is like the the New York
that we all still wish was there. That's getting that
it's still there, well like it's getting it's disappearing too quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Well where it is, it's it's moved now. They live
on Long Island, Yeah, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Yeah, sure, sure they live on island, Suffolk County.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
They're starting up clan chapters, just with with the fricklin accents.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Well, he can't be in one. This guy is clearly
very Italian.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I'm sure they got their own sort of thing, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yeah, but it's it's not that it's nice of Columbus
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Last thing about this guy, he says that he cards
old ladies to get a better tip. Which, sure, that's
a good scheme. Absolutely to that scheme.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
I used to do that everywhere I worked. You absolutely
do that, and it's better, but you do it in
a way that's not as you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Don't do it. You don't say like you're making my
job really hard.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Yeah, you're making my job really hard. You don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Also, the fact that she's thirty four and that constitutes
an older lady that makes me want to commit suicide. Man,
that's that's real.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Yeah, I mean, it's nonsense. Whatever. He definitely walks around
telling his friends that kids are boner killers. That's who
this guy is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Just pay for a sitter, right, I mean then you
can still get into the bone zone dog.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Nope, Nope, even knowing a kid popped out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Yeh, Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
I can't even as a joke. I can't even go
as far as this guy would. I can't believe they
did not come up with the name for the single
mom online dating service.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
It's really disappointing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
This is something they do so well in a way
that's amusing to both of us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
This is their forte, not just the name. Like, I
want to see us a page.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
For absolutely, show us the website.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Sub folders. I want some user.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Handles, baffling menus that you can choose from the drop downs.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
I want some banner ads. Yeah. Man, it's very disappointing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
They go visit Natalie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yeah, they go visit Natalie. Love this because.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
She's like, have you heard my accent? I don't date online.
Of course that accent disappears for her last line. I'm
not lying to you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
I've never done online dating.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Natalie. Is just very important. That could help us catch
your rapist.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
I've been hounding you for two years with every humiliating
detail I remember, why wouldn't I tell you that? What
about chat rooms or anyone you've met with the last
name of Jones, Nat.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
We've got a situation in the dressing rooms. Excuse me,
I'll be right back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
I have a resume pulled up, and I'm ninety five
percent sure that she is not English. The sad thing is,
you know, she probably hit the British accent on that
last line on a different but there was something fucked
up about it, and this is what they had in
the edit. So it's like, well, hopefully no one notices,
just like the bar who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah, man, why did they need to make her English?
I didn't quite understand that. So there's a prompt in
this clothing boutique. The clothing boutique is it's a strange store.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
First off, I don't even understand really what's going on there.
It feels like it's not actually a store, but kind
of is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Both times I watched it, I was like, is this
like an office? What is this? Is this?

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Yeah? Where's point of sales? Is this backstage of fashions?

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
What I thought it was for a minute too, And then.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
But then it's you there's too much floor on the
other side of it for it to be that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
And then but like in the back right when we
see the shot of Natalie when we're talking to Natalie,
and we see her in like behind her to the right,
it looks kind of like store. Sure, there's like more
racks and then screen left there's the racks with with
Dylan McKay's line on it. But the thing that really
piques my interest with this scene is the line that

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the other clerk.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Says to her her assistant.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I think, yeah, she says, Nat, we've got a situation
in these dressing rooms. Yeah, and it's like Pizza Boy
from the other episode, I think it was last week's episode,
Pizza Boy folded like a slice, Like, what kind of
situation in the dressing room requires a manager to come assist?
Are people stealing things? Did somebody just chart themselves all
over the clothes? Like what's going on back there?

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Cool? If it were later and people had better phones,
I would assume that people are fucking or you know,
doing something of the sort. But you know, no one
has a phone that's good enough.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
To Yeah, you can't like sneak a.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
You can't sneak a camera good enough camcorder.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Yeah, actually you know that those little those little ones.
Then at this point, was that High eight with those
the kind of smaller tapes, Yeah, you could film a
grainy porn with those. You could sneak that in your handbag.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
I guess that's what end.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
It would just be hard to get a good angle.
I think. I think that would be one of the
biggest issues. You need to have one of those like
alone tripods. You know you can like hook it over
at the top.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Yeah, okay, So if you thought a lineup was unreliable,
wait till you get a load of a voice lineup
where only one victim can tell that he's masking his
voice by going all dulcet tones on the first pass
and has him repeated the right way.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
I can't imagine this, this would hold up in any court. Like,
there's just no way to me. I mean, I remember
I think that part of the oj trial, right, didn't
it involve like a phone call and somebody talking about
the voice that they heard on the other end of
the line.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
If it's not Mark Furman or Lancedo or Marsha Clark,
I don't remember anything that went on. And if the
glove don't fit, you must have question.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
You don't remember Kato caitlin Man the legend.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Sure, he's from Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
He was living the sweet life and then all of.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
A sudden, Milwaukee proud, living in the guest house.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
The sweet guest house life.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
But like, I don't remember the getting of the trial
at all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
No, no, it's my nightmare.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
So Dylan Fox up and lays a sloppy kiss on
Chrissy Boy's cheek. Gas so gross. So Darlene wants a
kid back. Yeah, but she's really got some cleaning to do.
Then we find out that Greg Berkele, that motherfucker is
burning Finn.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
If he doesn't like him from his days in Narco.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Berkele's wife called up Finn after they separated. Yep, that's
too much for Burkele.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Finn got burkled. I'm sure he's not the first, probably
not the last.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
All of Burkele's ex wives just to go around the
precinct after they're done for that's just how he is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
I desperately, I desperately want to know what Kathleen's tattoo was,
because she got a matching tattoo with her boyfriend. He
got it on his wrists, she got it on her
inner thigh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
And I just probably a shark topus.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Right, I want to know what the tattle was. Could
have been a Shark to Puss could have been my
great idea for tattoo, which was having Poseidon emerging out
of a like a froth of dolphins and naiads from
my butt crack. That's what I've always wanted to get.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
You know, the idea that I had as a young
man was all aboard up the shaft of my cock,
but it would also work on the inside of her thigh. Okay,
I really wish we got a munch Finn and Sober
Kragan open up a bar spin off show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
That would be so much fun. Man, think of all
the banter that they'd have. Oh God, just make it
like David Simon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
No, I know, I put it out there that we
would write with the new SVU writing staff.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
I would write show, but.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
I would write that show in a hard and you know,
Dan Floor could be down, Dan Florke would totally be down,
and you could just you could do a multiicam. They'd
only work like one fucking night a week and then
you know, do rehearsals and whatnot. Yeah, the easiest cushus
life possible.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
No, it would be a half hour twenty three minutes
of just delightful comedy and you like focus on one
of them each week, right, so they have like they
don't even have that much prep to do. Yeah, be
so much fun, like Finn being a grandpa to Ken's kid, right,
like to Jayden. Yeah, Finn and Jayden. You got retired
munch delving into the secrets of the universe.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
And exposing the Illuminati.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Also, absolutely, and so yeah, you got kind of like
a lone gunman kind of feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Craigan behind the bar, just fucking polishing glasses, you know,
making them all nice and shiny. Yeah, drinking club soda
out of the eight ounce bottles like Sam Alone used to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
It's kind of coaching out at this point. Probably right,
he's maybe sundowning.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Oh no, no, he's the ladies man. Craigan is pulling
a lot of tail.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
He does.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Ladies love the big ball bosses. Okay, so we get
Dylan saying, Gwen, listen to me. You need to tell
them what really happened. Gwen's like, what, Dylan, that you
filed a false police report? Gwen? Oh god no. And
then Dylan's like, the sex we had was consensual.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
You're watching that happen and you're like, this is the
most disgusting thing I've ever seen you do, Dylan. You've
betrayed everything that I believed in. You really shaken my
shaken my life to its core.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Yeah, you've broken so many hearts of the ladies on screen,
and now you've broken America's heart, dude, And.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
God damn it, Dylan, God damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
It sucks. And then he gets knead in the junk.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Yeah. And then we get Gray like saying what her
consoleb is and then no one will have drinks with her.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yeah, nobody cares. They're all like, eh, you're annoying. And
then Finn goes to see not Bill Irwin, I mean,
Finn live goes to see not Bill Irwin.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Finn actually went to see Biller probably just hung out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Yeah, I just want to see, like how quickly Finn's
just a willing member of the team after this because
he was not happy this whole.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Yeah, he is seething through this whole episode.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
It kind of made a fun one. Did we rank
this thing, Josh? I think we should, all right, So,
of course, guys, we rank these episodes every week. We
have a rigorous four part process which we go through.

(01:10:13):
We rank the overall quality of the episode, the guests
they're in how problematic the episode was and the depth
and breadth of lives ruined. Now, this is like a
classic stunt casting episode, right, But I'm really curious to
see how we're gonna rank it against last week's, which
was another like all time great stunt casting episode. I'm

(01:10:35):
just excited to get to it. So should we start
with the overall quality?

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
So it's fun throughout right. Yeah, you got the sassy kid,
You've got like stunts in the cold open. You've got Darley.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
You've got Finn and Munch trying to open up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
A bum are trying to open a bar. You've got
Elliott dealing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
With this, dealing with weird personal life stuff that ends slur.
It would be tedious normally, but it's kind of funny
to watch. You're seeing Finn really begrudgingly have to work
with Stabler.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
You've seen everybody not give Gray.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Zero fus about grayle like entering the picture.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Which is it's kind of hilarious because I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
She's, oh, it's extremely hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
You know she's obviously she's like stunningly beautiful, right, And
so the idea that they're just like no, I don't
want to get drinks with you, Dah is hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Why would I drink with you? You're too attractive. Yeah, it's
it's a lot of fun. Honestly, I think the only
dings against it the kids kind.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Of a lot to take the kid's a ton to take.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
The kids a lot, and that's sort of an issue
related to the show's quality.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah, and then we have the button that the button's annoying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
It's just a little unsatisfying the buttons down for an
episode that you had this crazy stunt casting going on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Yeah, And I feel like a lot of the craziness
with the episode is kind of dependent on the stunt cast. Two.
It's not like Wet, for instance, where the episode itself
is completely ludicrous. Yeah, So it doesn't have like that
kind of action going on, but I mean it has
some of the craziest stunt casting we've ever seen. So
it's definitely bringing I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
I still think, like we're talking this is top five
stime casting. Oh yeah, in the show's history.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
So that's and in the short in the very very
short conversation, very small conversation, this is about like this
is one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Yeah, Dylan McKay rapist. I think this was the first
k rapist, the first post of the original.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Absolutely, this was the genesis of all of this bullshit.
I think quality.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
So quality though, that's that's the question.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
So guyeah is quality? I'm wavering between nine and ten.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Let's look, okay, so possessed obviously a ten. Wet was
a ten. Futility. That's Kevin Arnold is a power reassurance rapist. Ten.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
If that's a ten, this is two a nine.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
We gave this another this is a time no, no, no,
I'm just going for a nine.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
We gave Strange Beauty a nine in quality, and I
don't know what we were thinking when we did that,
because I feel like Strange Beauty might be the craziest
one we've seen. I mean, this is I think we
can give this one a ten.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
I feel completely justified.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
This is one actually gets dinged later on. It's not
it's not it's not possessed. It's not the perfect episode,
but I think I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Mean, they were like, let's have Dylan McKay rape Darlene,
and not only that, but we find out that his
wife he also raped her before they got together. Like
it's nuts. And you're just like, that's a great premise.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Tip of the cap, that's a great premise. And I
mean really just bringing together, really the Yin and the
Yang of nineties television. I mean they come together in
a firm handshake.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Here, which is America's heart throb, Dylan McKay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Ray Perry, America's redneck daughter. Yeah, well working class, working
class yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
So that brings us to the next category. I think
this is an easy one to rank. I don't have
a question. Yeah, it's obvious. Ten for guests, not a question.
Now the next two. I think it's not perfect in
that I don't think it reaches those lofty heights in
the next two. You might disagree, but I don't think
it's as problematic as some of the other episodes that
we've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
But problematic is also the fun.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
The score it is, but I feel like a lot
of the fun is being covered in the guests.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
There's also all of the bar talk.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
The bar talk is bar. I'm not saying that it's
like bad, right, I'm not saying that it's like below
by any means. I'm just saying that it's not a ten.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
That is not a ten.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Yeah, So if we look at possessed, possessed hand stunt casting,
we're talking Devon rat Ray, Tarren Manning, David Patrick, Kelly.
You know who all these people are. You've seen them
a lot. Yeah, and yet it takes problematic to places
that we didn't think possible.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Right, But this is also Taryn Manning, Devon rat Ray,
and they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
At the level. They're not at Dylan McKay's level.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
And the issue is that what they are doing in
this episode is they're raping every single kid who thought
that Dylan McKay was the shit. They're raping the notion
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
And this was like, they're raping our youth, Josh, that's
what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Just like with Kevin Arnold. They're raping our youth. And
it is fucking insane. Like Luke Perry was on the
cover of every fucking teen magazine for like five years. Yeah,
every month you go into the grocery store, you go
to Hudson News, in the airport, where you go, wherever

(01:15:40):
you're seeing Luke Perry. He is the teen heartthrow. It's
basically him one, Jason Priestley two, and then maybe one
of the dickheads from say by the bell. That's it,
And what they're doing here is turning that guy into
a fucking serial rapist.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
I agree with you. However, we're talking.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
About it in the most fun way possible.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
We're talking We've seen Steve from Sex of the City
get off on chopping.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Steve from Sex in the City is not Luke Perry.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
It's the massive raping of everyone's youth, the raping the
youth of an entire generation here, it's pretty incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
I guess what I'm saying is that I just feel
like it's more like an eight or nine, not a ten.
That's my feeling on this category.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
It's a nine.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
I'm fine with a nine. I'm fine with a nine,
But I don't think it's.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
The import of the import of the raping of the
audience's youth is impossible to like, It's almost unquantifiable.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
I mean, there is there is another episode where this
is going to come into play in a big way.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Yeah, I know, and I know what one you're talking about,
and I can't wait to hit it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
But that's what these So are.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
You comfortable with a nine in this category? Are you
comfortable with a nine? In this category. That's my question.
I want us to be on the same page when
we when we rank these things.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
I mean, honestly, I think because of what they're doing,
I think it's a ten.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
I mean, this is an old timer. It deserves an
all time kind of score. It also is gonna fall
slightly flat on this next category. Yes, so it's there
just no way getting around it. Like that one woman
killed herself, but we don't know if it was because
if we don't trauma Survivors Central, or just because she
moved back to Iowa. You know, there's just super potential

(01:17:35):
options there. Where'd she move.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Davenport almost, I almost I wist spat my chances all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
If it's the Quad Cities, then I totally understand.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
You know, she moved a Spiritlan Okay, obviously there's.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Fallout, Yeah, of course.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
And it's Darlene.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
It's Darlene. It's like America's you know, sarcastic favorite doctor. Yeah, exactly.
I can't believe she wrote an episode when she was seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Well, that's insane to me. I mean, it's not a tenant,
can't be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
No, I don't know that it can really be much
more than like a five or six. There's no bodies,
there's multiple victors.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
A body, there's a body. There's the scope of what
he also did with Julie Bowen is inside.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
That's pretty dark. That's pretty twisted.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Shit like to have been wrote, to have sort of
had your life put back together.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
Oh, but with the help of this man who seems
to be it's really helpful. And then he foists his
rape victims child on you. This is the serpents to
be a demon seed. And then then after helping to
raise this ship burg for we don't know how long,

(01:18:58):
but at least.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Two years, at least a year something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
I think it's a year. And then to find out
not only is your husband your rapist, but he wants
you to recant your story and say that the rape
was consensual true and does it with no compunction.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
And it's really he slickly slides into that scene, right
because you know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
He slithers, I think is the proper verb to describe
what he did.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Yeah, I mean, oh, it's it's pretty gross because you know,
we kind of see him the whole time, and you're like, man,
that's fucking Dylan McKay right there. You know. That's like,
I'm just surprised he's not wearing a white T shirt
and a leather jacket. That's that's the only thing that's
standing out to me. But then in that scene he
really does kind of a very subtle turn from America's
heart throb to like, oh I'm a piece of shit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Yeah it's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
But still I think it's like a five.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
No, no, because again, we're dealing with fallout and you
know what else is part of the fun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Josh thing that America's youth is part of the fallout. Okay,
so but if we talk, if.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
It's not a ten, it's not a ten. I won't
argue that it's a ten, but I think it's a
seven or eight.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
I think it's more like a seven because I think
we're dealing with the show where like, you know, we
give so let's let's look at the last second.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Yeah, but we're dealing with a show that doesn't have
the chance to rape America's youth like they do in
this episode, and they really fucking stick the landing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Yes, So let me go back to.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Like generations of like because it's not just Gen X,
it's also millennials who like sort of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
All right, man, all right, okay, I'm gonna stop you
right there. It can't be an eight because we gave
the Jeremy Irons totem the second Jeremy Irons episode, we
gave that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
There's only two victims. Well, there are three victims in that.
There's one body. Yeah, there's more victims here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
They were being raped by spoons for like twenty five years.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Yeah, but none of them were Darlene, I suppose. But
I mean, I'm not saying what was that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
That was an eight?

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
That was an eight?

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Then this is an eight. This is as bad because
of the element of like the incorporation of the stunt
casting and what is doing to the psyche of few.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
I think that's what we why we gave the Fred
Savage episode an eight as well, because I think I
think we included ourselves in the fallout. Oh absolutely, So, okay,
if we give this an eight, if you guys have
been following along with your own handy spreadsheets, you'll know
that this puts it in rarefied air. This is number

(01:21:33):
two all time, next to only Possessed. Of all the
ones that we've watched so far, it comes out with
a nine. Point five that puts it just above hooked
and just below possessed.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
And it should be above hooked, I think so. I
have no hesitation in my mind that this should be
about as far as.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Stunt casting goes, this is legendary stunt casting. Shit, this
is the Yes, this is what you think about. I mean,
and like, I always thought about the Andrew McCarthy one,
but I gotten in my mind how much of the
Andrew McCarthy episode was taken up by like bullshits green
time about the unit like getting ready to get rid
of fucking Monique Jeffreys and other characters that I don't

(01:22:11):
care about, right, which for it sucked. But this one
does not have that problem.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
This delivers. This does really the only like sort of problem.
I mean, kids whatever, that's a volatile thing anyway. But
the only real problem on the page is just that
they didn't find a way to end it with the
need of the jump.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Yeah, it should have ended right there with that, Dylan mckasey.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Because really, what the live scene of the end is
should have been at the beginning of the cold open
of the next episode.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Yeah, right, that it would have been. Now, Yeah, that
would have been a nice point to put that. Now
what we also didn't need to because they're introducing gray Lick, right,
I feel like they had to give like gray Lick
a win. But I don't care whether she got a
hate crime a bededge.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
And establish that the next time there's a rape.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Established that when there's actually like going to be a
courtroom scene, like where you do something like that, just
introduce her and then move on. Like part of the
reason her character didn't work is because I mean, this
is like we didn't need to have an Ace.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
It's two straight seasons where they introduced a new character
that didn't work. I don't know that they could have
made gray Lick work with a different actress.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
I don't think so either. But but Lake Adam Beach
is a very good actor. I've seen it in lots
of stuff, and I don't like Adam Beach a lot,
and I liked his character. They just didn't choose to
use him. And I think with like an Ada, I
don't know you used them in courtroom scenes, right, obviously
they have to mesh with the rest of the cast.
But yeah, we didn't need to have an Ada in
this episode at all, Like she didn't add anything to

(01:23:34):
it besides just introducing herself basically anyways, Yeah, these.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Are minor quibbles because and I mean honestly, the gray
Lick stuff doesn't not work because it's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Yeah, it is kind of funny, except for the.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
To her get drinks invite blue Ball for the entire episode.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Again, it's just like, oh my god, the fact that
like Finn who's single, right, and Elliott who's not exactly the.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
I mean he's just dealing with his credit card bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
No, but just in general, Elliott is not exactly the
best husband, right, Like the fact that they're not jumping
at the prospect of getting drinks with the with Krayla,
it's really something I.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Mean we've said before and will say. And they did
get models basically, I mean that was the that was
the original series. That was what they did, and they
carried it on into at least Cabot and definitely picked
that back up with MICHAELA. McMahon.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Yeah, I feel like they made a conscious decision to
go away from that. Well, dian Neil's is a little different.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
Like Barbara's a hot piece of act.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
No, but Barbara is definitely like they finally like decided
we're going to get somebody who's just an act who
acts like a fucking lawyer.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
But Philip Winchester is back to, well, we're going to
service the gotta get the hunk out there, got to
get that piece of meat out to service the fans.
If you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Wardrobe, do not put a tie on that man.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
No, no, if you can have him have his shirt
unbuttoned to his navel.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Make it happen. So yeah, So obviously this is a
really fun one. You have to watch this, especially like
if you're some kind of zoomer kid that's somehow fallen
into our bizarre podcast. It's not going to hit as
hard for you as it would for people our age.
But anybody who was watching TV in the early nineties
these are beloved characters.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Anybody like in their early to mid thirties and up
is going to absolutely be like, holy shit, this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
In twenty twenty two, nothing is like there aren't cultural
phenomenon the way that both Roseanne and Nino two world.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
No, no, no, this is like because this is still
when it was a monoculture. Everyone watched nine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Two, everybody watched Roseanne, Like both of those shows were
absolutely massive when.

Speaker 3 (01:25:54):
Massive, when like the the amount of people watching these
shows when they were on is incompre heencible in today's
TV land. You remember the amount of people who watched
The Walking Dead, like four times as many of those
people in a country with a smaller population by a lot,
four times as many people watched Roseanne every fucking week.
You remember how it was twenty four episodes a season.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
The Roseanne Lesbian Kiss. I don't even remember the context
for it now, but it was just like it was
like the cultural battle for for a month or something.
It's all anybody could talk about. And that doesn't exist anymore.
It exists on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
I mean, Luke Perry from nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Four or five was the dream boat.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
You can't even really comprehend what a massive star he
was in the eyes of the youth. Yea icon. There
really isn't an analog at this point, you know, like
the culture is so fractured.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Yeah exactly, I mean there is, like I guess the
Kardashians are kind of like that, but it's only kind
of really, Yeah, it is, the problem is that everybody
has access to whatever culture they want or whatever kind
of little subculture they fall into, so that kind of
stardom just doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
No, this is literally everyone when you walked into school
on Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Morning, everybody had seen.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Everyone had watched this cable wasn't doing a regional programming
at this point, Like the HBO had like a couple
of shows, but no one had HBO. Then you didn't
have to because there wasn't anything fucking worre subscribing. This
is ten years before the fucking Sopranos.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
No HBO just showed movies they.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Had first in ten and like a couple.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Of after thud r lists or some shit.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
No good shows weren't broadcast cable until a shield in
two thousand and one, Like there was nothing you watched
fucking nine to two and zero or whatever was on
the other two channels really because no one well three
channels and then Fox. This was one of Fox's breakout hits.
It was this Married with Children and the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Simpson exactly go ahead and watch this one guy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
So heading over to episode dot lol, where our friend
Flett has built us this great randomizer. I use it.
I pick my episodes of Rockford or I pick my
episodes I'm kind of going back through house now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Yeah, it's a really good way to watch non serial TV,
because going through it first to the last is kind
of annoying. I think I don't need to watch every
episode of Empty Nest, even though That's what I'm doing
right now. But I don't need to.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
You should not. So the tape is spinning. Bill and
Ted are decidedly displeased with their lot in life.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
They sure are, And.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
We have landed in season nine, the season which features
are favorite. We are a beachhead podcast. Indeed, Chester Lake.
What's the episode? Season nine, episode ten?

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Hopefully it's a Chester Lake focused episode.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Fingers crossed. When a polygamist's wife is murdered. He believes
it's related to a recent criminal case he was testifying in,
but detectives believe it may be connected to his culture.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Interesting, I think I remember this one. Lake has screen time,
he's not credit only.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
So we've got method man in this episode. Interesting, Stephen
Weber is in this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Maybe I'll watch a Wings while I'm falling to sleep tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
I bet you will. You weirdo. Gloria Rubin isn't it
as well? But you know whatever, we've got Chester Lake.
It's been so long I missed you, Adam Beach. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Well, hopefully it's a Lake eisode because we need to
find our next much my Benson at the movies after
the one we're about to do, so maybe we'll be
able to do Smoke Signals or another Adam Beach movie.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Obviously, our movie Club episode that will have dropped like
a week and a half before this will have been
about Desert Hearts. As has been established, we are a
Patricia Charboneau podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
If Patricia Scharboneau and Adam Beach made a film together,
oh god, that would be an hap. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Absolutely, And it's Patricia Scharboneau with multiple episode director Helen Shaver,
the two of them in a lesbian relationship. It's a
beautiful movie. Adam has not seen it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
No I have not. I'm looking for that because we have.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Not recorded that. Even though when we're talking about this,
it will have dropped. Because that's the way love.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Exactly, that's the way editing this this podcast goes so well, Josh,
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You can watch video of the podcast if you if

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Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
I guess he's not like Ted Cruz. He's not a
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So, yeah, Ted Cruise isn't a mil porn people. And
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Yeah, we completely took over the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
I don't feel like Jay or Ka were able to
speak because the two of us just spoke for like
an hour and twenty minutes. I feel so bad for
Kay for having to edit that mess of an episode,
but I'm sure that Kay made us look better than
we should have, because that was a fucking mess and
it was not their fault. That is out there. Please
go listen, please help them out here.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
It was still fun and it was fun, but.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
It can't have been fun for them. I can't fathom
how it was. Although we did end up talking about
after I don't know if you're still on the call afterwards,
but Jay realized that we worked at Spider House and
realized that Spider House has been like the subject of
two weird like Haunted Austin podcast episodes that he's listened to,
and I was like, oh, yeah, we worked there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
I remember when that place almost burned down and then
it didn't. I was so had Oh but guys, I
think it's time to get out there and uh munch
your youth, but with consent.

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
Okay, No, tell.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Them that they're wrong. Tell them that they're wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Baby, Why aren't you telling them that they're wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
Listen, you need to tell them what really happened. That
you filed a false police report.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Oh god, that the sex we had was consensual?

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
No, my god, I'm telling you we've I married, I
married my own rapist.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
I loved you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
You never had the time of day for me before that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
It all turned out all right. I made you feel safe,
you fell in love with me.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Do you know I feel right now?

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
Oh,

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