25 - This Episode Is Really Putting a Big Space Between the E and the R in Therapist (S20E19 Dearly Beloved) - Munch My Benson: A Law & Order: SVU Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If anyone assembled here has just caused why this man
and this woman should not be joined together, speak now
or forever hold your peace.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I do, and I have a good reason.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Josh, who is that doctor Hensley?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Rate me? In New York City, sexually based offenses are

(00:50):
considered especially heinous. These are their stories, all right, guys,
welcome to munch my Bens and my name's Adam. I'm
in Galveston, Texas. Josh is on the line with me
and guys, a little peak behind the veil, so to speak.

(01:13):
This is the first time Josh and I have spoken
to each other in like two months. Yeah, I just
had a baby. Things are crazy. You know what's kind
of ironic is that all the times we were talking
about the pandemic way back when, well, guys, this still applies.
Nothing's changed. The world's getting flushed even further down the toilet.

(01:34):
But my life is okay. I can't complain. Kid's growing well,
he's doing great. How's Los Angeles, Josh?

Speaker 3 (01:41):
It's fine. I'm preparing to have to go back to work.
I can't say I'm looking forward to it because the
film industry isn't exactly small and self contained and all
that so I gigged for like a week on something,
but I'm about to have to go back.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
So well, work sucks in general, I would say when
I go to work, I work outside. I work with
like two other people, and I don't have to get
very close to them, and I also know what I'm
getting into every day. And I feel like sometimes a
big problem with the entertainment industry is that you never
know exactly what you're walking into when you walk in there.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, I am going to a show. I probably shouldn't
say what show it is, but I am going onto
a show where I'm not just making shitty pa rate.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's a show that I feel good about working on,
which I don't always feel good about working on shows.
So yeah, there's that. And like, I know some of
the people I'm working with, so it eases things a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
That's cool. So should we just get into this because
I feel like my child is about to go crazy
at any moment now, And.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, it's a ticking time bomb and you don't have
access to the clock.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Gag time.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah. The episode for this week is Dearly Beloved from
season twenty, episode nineteen. Let's see how this goes it's
been a while, all right, bride Lona Stalworth and groom
doctor Joshua Hensley or on the precipice of tumbling into
wetted bliss when the priest presents the attendees with the

(03:14):
option of objecting to their union. This is when Kitty
Bennett or is it Officer Amelia Albers rises to proclaim
in front of a congregation of well over one hundred
strangers that the motherfucker in attucks about to cinch that
cleat hitch raped her wedding. A nice Kitty discloses that Josh,

(03:36):
her therapist, raped her during a late in the day
initial appointment that no one was going to be able
to verify her beating at while Josh says he's never
met her. When Raleisi can't confirm the appointment happened, and
another patient says Kitty cyberstoctor on Instagram, the unit does
background on the penultimate Bennett, daughter from Pride and Prejudice,
thrust coolly into this wild postmodern healscape and discovers that

(03:59):
she'd had restraining order placed against her by another victim
of her cyberstocking. The unit strains to believe her as
more evidence of her being unhinged comes to light. Then
she throws up in the presence of Benson and Rollins.
And since it's a woman throwing up on television, that
can only mean one thing. There's a bun in that oven,
but it's a rapist bun. Kitty flippantly says she wants

(04:21):
to flush that rape'esyegoed out that she could never love
a rape baby, which sends Live into a reflective existential
tail spin. Despite his protestations and insistence that he didn't
know her, the DNA matched Doc Josh to the fetus.
Then he and Kitty take terms coming clean. He says
they were in a consensual sexual relationship. He even has
a key to her apartment. She says that he's Fingulli

(04:43):
gaslighted her into believing that she had wait for it
erotic rape fantasy disorder, and that he was therapizing her.
As we learn more about his relationship with his fiancee, Lana,
we discover that she was also his patient before they
were relationship. So this purv figures out what damages women
have and then weaponizes that information. Oh but it gets worse.

(05:07):
Benson and Rollins respond to a call at the Hensley
Stalworth loft. Kitty has forced her way in and is
pressing a broken bottle to Josh's neck in an effort
to coerce a totally inadmissible confession from a rapist. Turns out,
Kitty's story of raped lever Courtship matched what happened to Lana. Yep,
this smug prick raped his fiance too. Lana testifies to
the grand jury. Benson tells Duc you're done. Then we

(05:30):
get a brisk water side chat between Benson and Kitty
where Kitty walks back her previous assertion that she was
going to take care of that rape baby, and we
get an anti abortion dick wolf.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, we sure do get an anti abortion dick wolf.
And definitely one of the more problematic notes in the
episode was the final one.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
But I want to go kind of.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I want to go back. I knew this was going
to happen anyways, I would like to say that the
but I.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Want to go very beginning of apologize for any baby
noises that are made since Maxim's in the room.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, he sure is. Okay, I want to go back
to the beginning, and just from the get go we
see in a season twenty episode, how just kind of
the world has changed with SVU. I mean, for one thing,
they're joking about smoking weed. There's kind of this tight
editing going on. I found the filmmaking in this episode
to actually be kind of top notch. It's like there's pacing.

(06:31):
A lot was being said story wise, and a fairly
short amount of time at certain points, and it kind
of moved quickly, which was fun.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
We also get the weird late season feature of a
pop song back in much of the cold open. This
time it's Dams by Beck, which is weird. Usually it's
much worse. It's almost always a fucking abysmal song.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, that's totally weird though. Yeah, that's one of the
really off putting things now. I mean, come on, the
wedding crasher storyline is a little ridiculous and I don't
buy it for a second, but I suppose it's a
possible thing.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I mean, the way Kitty's written it makes sense for
the character. I don't know that that character is realistic necessarily.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
My biggest issue with this episode, and it kind of
comes it throughout, is I think that the only person
with a believable name is Doc Josh, everybody else has
this absurd names.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, so what happened here is I don't know if
you noticed, but the director of this episode is Lucy Lou.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, it's Lucy Lou, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
And so I actually really like this. So the Stalwart
family is Filipino. Maureen Sebastian is Filipina from what I
could surmise, Ron Domingo her father's Filipino as well, and
a Moore Owens is listened to as Asient on her
page at her agency, but speaks to Gallag and can
do a Filipino accent, which means she's also presumably Filipino.

(07:49):
So given that surname, the casting assumption going in would
have not been Pacific Islander. But Lucy Lou is just like,
you know what, fuck this shit. Every character poss is
going to be Asian. And so the Stalwarts Paul Filipino,
and then Hannah Burkowitz was played by Populou. I can't
I couldn't determine whether or not Populou is related to

(08:11):
Lucy Lou. Hannah Burkowitz is played by Populou, who's from She.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Has a credit for the Farewell, but it's just a voice.
It's just voice work. Yeah, she didn't actually appear in the.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
NBC sitcom this last season called Sunnyside with cal Pen.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
The Farewell was great. I highly recommend that.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, Farewell was fantastic. She's also in three episodes of
Better Call Saw this season.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, that's right. But then it's not just there because also,
I mean, Kitty's whatever the kiddie name. That's ridiculous, kid
for what's her last name? Bennett, Kitty Bennett. I mean
there's nobody, but.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Well, that's that is the fourth daughter in Pride and Prejudice,
That's what.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, it's a reference, okay, because I always thinking that it's.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
A reference because Kitty is the first one to get
married and she's maybe a little flighty, but I.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Would saying nobody between the ages of like eight in
sixty eight is named Kitty in real life.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And then the last one there was a guy named
bo Albrecht, which was also you know, he's played by
an African American actor, and I mean, I suppose it's
possible to have Albrek be the last name, but it
is kind of funny how it's a choice that just yeah,
she just whatever casting was, they were like fuck it,
we're taking against names, all of them, and we're not
changing the names after the fact. I just thought it

(09:25):
was a fun choice.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah. I love when shows do that, when when a
character clearly was written like in one way, and then
whoever is in charge of casting that episode is just like,
you know what, fuck it, We're going to go for
representation and it doesn't fucking matter what the last name is.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
So you get someone with a clearly Jewish last name.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Chinese Hannah Berkowitz was the one I noticed, you.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Know, yeah, but the stars, yeah, I mean then when
I went back, I was like, not, yeah, Stalwarth is
not a Filipino.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Circac so h. I spent a fair amount of time
actually trying to figure out which deny nation that church was.
I'm assuming it was Catholic, but the only real evidence
I had to go on was the I guess you'd
call him the priest if he's Catholic his vestments, It's

(10:11):
possible he was also Episcopalian, though given he had just
the sort of classic priestly vestments, I guess you would
call that a cope. Let's see if I got that correct.
He has a stole over the regular priestly robe, which, oh,
it's not a cope never mind? Is it as it
might be? It's not a cassic.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
You could consider it a castle cast to have a hood, right.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
I believe it's a surplus. A Cassolic is more like
tight around the waist and then wide in the bottom.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I wish we could get my dad on this episode.
He could probably tell us.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, I think it's a surplus with a cope. No,
not a cope, a surplus with a stole over it. Anyways,
it had the agnes Day Lamb carrying a flag, which
is most likely Catholic, but it could also be Episcopalian
because they're kind of just like, don't want to say this,
but they're basically Catholics that can get divorced, if you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Oh yeah, I mean it's just the Church of England. Yeah,
in the US obviously.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah. So I didn't get too far there, but I
was wondering, if you know, if there was some sort
of weird Dan Brown agnes Day thing going on there
with the Lamb of God.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
My next note is therapist does also spell the rapist,
so I think we know he did it.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, that's a good point. It sure does.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
He fucking came over and hung her in her first
session when she started crying about her mom being dead. Yeah,
like Anna probs bro and then he threw her down
and raped her, which is even more eno obviously.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Okay, but okay, So I think the implication so when
they went to go check the appointment book, right, there
was no appointment there, but they were all in pencil,
and I think the implication was that it had been erased.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
That it was possible that it was erased, but you
should still be able to see.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
You should be able to see something. Yeah, a smudge.
I mean, that's the best erase job I've ever seen
in my life. You couldn't just had something. Yeah, it
was perfect. It was not smudged at all.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Is getting verification of the appointment a hip a violation?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
You know?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
It seems like it might be.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
I'd have to ask Meghan about that. I don't know
for sure, because usually it's about the medical records, but
appointment verification might be included in that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I couldn't tell if Corezy was overstepping or if he
was just like using his legal acumen and kind of
oozing of authority to just sort of like blow her over.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
I mean, it would work either way, because I think
it's probably because Okay, so they're not allowed to release
medical records. We'd have to get somebody who's actually read
about this to know more. Yeah, hold on one second, pause.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Is it Meghan? Yeah, you can ask her.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Hello, Hey, how's it going. Well, he's sleeping and Josh
and I are recording right now.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
But no, no, this is awesome because we were just
talking about something that we need.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
You for perfect timing. Meghan, So I have a question
for you. So, is it a hip of violation to
what are we calling this, Josh verifying a point of
verifying appointment that somebody had it is, yes, she says, yes,
that's a hip of violation. All right, that's fantastic. I

(13:10):
mean you wouldn't say that somebody was present in the clinic,
which to me is the same thing.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, she said, somebody came up to the desk and
be like hey on Twitter's here and be like, sorry,
I can't tell you that. Ah, Okay, interesting break in
the law. Careesy, break in the law.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Do you want me to verify that? I don't want
you to publish something that's not true.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
You know, it's okay to me that I would not.
I would not say. None of us claim to be
lawyers anyways, I should go all.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Right, I.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Won't.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Did you just tell you not to beat him?

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Feed him?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Cool?

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Again? Not a legal authority, but somebody with more experience
than we have does say that that is a hip
of violation, which makes sense to me. That is likely likely. Yeah,
it's definitely kind of on the unethical end of things.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
I would say charge.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, well, I'll get to all the cards. I went
through the cards. None of them are that interesting. But
Hannah Berkowitz's ballet studio a toe above the rest. That's
one of the stupidest names for anything I've ever heard
of my life. Also, don't buy that view that they
have a ballet studio in Manhattan with that view anyways,
must be an expensive place to join.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
In someone's apartment that just has a nice window that
they were.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yes, honestly, it looked a lot like the loft from
the episode I'm editing right now, the Michael K. Williams one.
I digress.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
So my next note is releasi are getting a lot
of work done on this platar after going to the
doctor's office to check on the appointment book. They go
to that dance studio to meet with Hannah Burkwitz. Then
Rollins tracks down three more patients of doctor Hensley's who
confirmed he's a good guy, and Careesy runs a background
check on Kitty. Then they go to the Fitness Junkies
gym to ask bo Albrecht about why he had a

(14:57):
restraining order against her. That is so much police work
in completely ignores the fact that New York's not that
easy to get around.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
No, it really is, and it takes forever to do anything.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
And they're like pounding the pavement on all of this work.
They're doing a ton of work. It's also one of
those episodes where there's no Finn and so there are
just three cops doing every.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Here's zero Finn, there's no Ada. I haven't ever met
the I guess he's the most Stone. Yeah Stone now,
so I was kind of looking forward.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
To that season twenty one has a Carease is the Ada?
So Careasey in the most recent season is the Ada.
I guess when this episode drops, maybe the new season
is going to be airing, but Crease, he should still
be the Ada. Then Stone takes over when Barba leaves
halfway through season nineteen, and then he's halfway through season
nineteen all the way through season the end of season twenty.
He started. The character started on Chicago Justice. He's played

(15:48):
by Philip Winchester, who, since we don't have him in
this episode, we don't really need to talk about, but
he's noticeable to me from strike Back.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
One of the interesting things, as someone who hasn't watched
much of this period is the precinct that they're in
nowadays does not look like a police precinct. But that's fine, but.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
There are well the old one blue.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh yeah, that's right, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
The old one blew up. I can't remember when that happened,
but at a certain point around season sixteen, maybe they
move into this new fucking studio. I'm guessing it just
they had to keep paying the people to make sense,
they had to keep paying construction and heart.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
We're to believe that SVU has their own precinct office now,
like their own building. Well, I think it's just a floor,
a floor in the preson.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
I think it's just a floor in the Manhattan preasing
or in the Upper West Side or wherever.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I was happy to see it populated with other police
officers besides the ones that are, you know, just the
main characters in the show. But what's really striking is
just how few main characters there are anymore, or even
how few recurring characters. You know, there's no Tamertuni, those
no are O'Halloran, there's none of these sort of like
these worlds coming and going. It's just interesting. But I

(16:54):
was pleasantly surprised generally with this episode.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
I would say, yeah, it's weird. It's weird getting these
late out, late season episodes where you never would have
seen Craigan doing the work lads doing. He's a captain
and he does captain shit. She however, is always on
the street, always working a case, and so often it's
just her rollins and careesy and then iced Ty. From
what I can surmise, it looks like Iced Tea probably

(17:17):
has like a pretty nice two to three day a
week schedule when he does work.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Two to three days, yeah, two to three days every
other week. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
If I were to guess, I guess he's on like
an eighteen episode contract. Yeah, and at this point he
doesn't need the fucking money.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Sure, you know, like, it's just it's great if he
does other things.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Also, so he's touring and that's obviously like a fairly
big time set for him too.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, so you know, I would say this is a
fairly straightforward episode. My big issues are kind of a
little bit later on. And do you have anything like
as this case is building before we get to where
my big issues are.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Okay, yes, did you get a load of Benson's Monday outfit?

Speaker 1 (17:58):
This is what I was gonna say, is my single
biggest issue with the episode is Benson's fucking weird ass
Hawaiian shirt.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, it almost looks like she's wearing a floral print
Japanese pajama top under her blazer. I didn't notice it
the first time I watched this episode, really the first
two times. But it's so crazy that when she brings
Kitty into her office to clear things up, Kitty turns around.
It's hard to tell of the shock at her question.
Is that the realization that Benson is wearing the least
Benson outfit ever, or it's at the question, Dude.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
I don't like criticizing. I like commenting on Iced Tea's
outfits and occasionally on some of the other male leads outfits.
I don't like commenting on women's wear in television. I
don't feel like it's something that I should be doing.
But what the f.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I also think neither of us are actually fashionistas. Maybe
it's fashionista if you're a male, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Man, But what the fuck is that Hawaiian shirt. It's
a bright green shirt with like a yellow hibiscus print,
and she's wearing it under a black overcoat. She's not
like wearing it like she's you know, like it's five
o'clock somewhere.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Buttons look like it's a pajamata. I know, the buttons
are so big that it really looks like it's the
top of her pajamas that she just like, Yeah, I'm
gonna wear this into work today. Fuck it.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
So this reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw
yesterday when I went to Target. It said I'm the
woman to blame, you know, with the Marc riitaville underneath.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Anyways, Okay, that's a totally galveuston bumper sticker by Oh Biga.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
It's like the most galveuston bumper sticker. But what I
want to know is is Olivia Benson. Part of the
Boogaloo movement is her generally poor performance as a police
officer over the years, part of an elaborate plan to
start a race war. These are questions that I have,
and we will see Olivia Benson's terrible police work come
back into this episode shortly after this scene.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Okay, so I could win Kitty or Amelia Aubers or
Liz from Roswell or whatever her fucking character's name. And
this is closest to her unreal character by the way,
that character's unhanged.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Have we talked about how close this character is though,
to purey Apple Bee character from Military Justice, Because it's
like the same fucking story.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
It's five seasons apart.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's like the same story.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
She has gone from from the Coastguard. She's gone from
being a coast too.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Well, she got a she got a did she get
a general discharge or an honorable It was a good discharge.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
It was a good discharge. Yeah, yeah, so she was discharged.
But then she presumably went over to unreal where she did,
you know, really shitty reality producer things to people. Yeah,
and now that's completely broken her and she is nuts.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
And she has erotic great fantasy disorder.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
No, that's what he tells her. She is she doesn't
actually have it.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, it's apparently it's not a thing either, So.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
No, no, that's that's what this Svengali fuck tells all
of his all of his latest conquests.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, that's a pretty fucked up thing to say to somebody,
But yeah, I could totally see this life path occurring
to her character from Military Justice. You know, she bounces out,
she's already had this fucking trauma happened to her, and
then she's seeking out professional help to deal with this trauma.
And who's taking advantage over this time, Her fucking therapist.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Amelia slash Kitty says, well, Judge can't make me keep it.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
No, of course not so.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Doctor Henson tries to stop me from getting an abortious
and even if he is the father, he has no
right to do that.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Good, because I could never want the baby who was
conceived by a monster.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
We're going to be dealing with some live shit Live
pleads that it's not the baby's fault, because that's what
happens in these episodes. After she freaks out in the
stairwell or shortly thereafter there might be a scene in between,
but we get that shot of live gazing absently through
the blinds out her window. It's so weird, Like, what
the fuck was she looking at? She's looking up, so

(21:50):
I don't know she's looking, not towards the street or anything.
I never understand the standing at the window looking out shots.
They never read the way that I think they're intended
to read in a show.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, it's supposed to be wistful. Right, It's like you're
just looking at the squad room right now, right.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Like I could see sitting in your chair looking out
the window, but standing next to the window feels so
unnatural to me.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I mean, she's staring out at the distance, remembering her mother,
you know. Commissioner Jane Kirkpatrick from the Tom Hanks Dragnet film.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Did you catch the name of the bar that he
used to meet Kitty at? That he says he met
her at. It's called the Empty Room?

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, the Empty Room.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
And that is it happens to be the name of
this song and a bit from Snuffbox the Matt Barry
rich Fulter Show. I love that scene so much. He's
playing Kee tarany nice.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So I got a little bit of an obstetrician corner
with this episode, of course, because we find that she's
felt the baby kicking, and apparently the earliest you could
possibly feel the baby kicking would be around seventeen weeks
into your pregnancy. And I did a little looking at
the New York state abortion laws, and abortions in New

(23:02):
York are allowed until twenty four weeks, and unless there's
some mother's life at risk situation going on in a
lot of states. In Texas it's twenty one weeks. But
presumably it's a pretty short window that she'd have to
make a decision. She'd only have a couple weeks really,
from when she likely felt the kicks to when she'd
have to do something about it.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
When someone on the team potters they're both liars at
a certain point, doesn't it feel like it'd be frustrating
enough for all of them to just fuck it walk away?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
What do you mean? Which ones?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's probably Careesi, but I can't remember who says it.
One of the SVU detectives says, they're both liars. Yeah,
and so like, if you're if you're investigating a case
where both of these people are just completely lying about
everything at every turn, you'd feel like at a certain point, okay,
fuck it.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, I don't think there's any way that they would
have like followed through on this when they found out
that Shiry Applebee was so unreliable, they would have just
dropped it and moved.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
On the instant. They have that video surveillance video from
the apartment, which doesn't make sense in sterwell, but with
the instint, they had to have that shot and she's
like kissing him in the hallway. That's like, nah, fuck
that shit.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, exactly, wash my hands this, I mean distressingly because
I'm sure like dozens, hundreds, thousands of rapes go without
justice because of that. But yeahs cops in New York
City are probably busy and have to do something better
than like make somebody unlie to them.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, it just continue to expose every fucking lie at every.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Turn until they lie enough that Lana Stalworth saves the day.
But it gets kind of grim there with the live stuff,
and you know how I feel about backstory in SVU episodes.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
At least, there's no no way in this one.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, no doubt, but I don't love it. And it
really did turn into a pretty long Olivia Backstory episode.
I gotta tell you, I didn't even watch any of
those scenes the second time I watched it. I just
kind of skipped right through them.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
And it only clocks in at forty minutes. So there's
a lot of waste of time on that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
I feel like there's all this action in the first
ten to fifteen minutes of the show and then it
just stops and instead, let's see. I do have some
notes about the cards, because I went through.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Them before we get to New York state of Mind.
I've got one about like erotic rap fantasy disorder, what
a piece of shit. I lights up his patience to rape,
then gaslights them once he's broken down, exactly what's wrong
with him and how he can exploit that. But at
least he can lustily recite passages from the Master of
Margarito while Rock Mononov plays at a tasteful volume in
the background. So I guess there's that.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, I mean, I have an article here about, you know,
the sort of phenomena of rape fantasies and how a
lot of times it's kind of bullshit projection from.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Freudian from rapists.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, from like Freudian men's psychologists trying.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
To justify their own urges.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Well, not so much. It's just it's an out of
date way to codify things. That's really, it's harmful to psychologists.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Just deleterious to really everyone.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, exactly. And I got to tell you, I haven't
read this whole thing yet, but basically, but basically, I
have a good article from Psychology Today which says, don't
call them rape fantasies and basically goes through a history
of psychology texts.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Can you bookmark that and shoot the links shoot the
link out on?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, I absolutely can, and how it's bullshit basically.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
When we drop this episode in fucking two months.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
But yeah, it goes from yeah, starting back in seventeen
the eighteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Or so, so men have only been trying to justify
rape for two centuries at least, at least before it
wasn't even a thing.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
You didn't have to justify it.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
I didn't have to justify it. Men could just fuck
whatever they wanted. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Another note about the kind of modern era of SVU
is that they don't even have to make up stupid
names for social media sites. They just come out and
talk about Instagram nowadays.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, Instagram and Facebook are just.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
They're just things. They don't have to go to face
space or my book.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
They probably can't show them. I can't remember ever seeing
a Facebook or an Instagram page, but they can talk
about it now. At least the graphics department has to
like not having to create that shit anyway.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I know, right, Okay. Another thing is it was a
rare wintery shot at the end of the episode. It
was kind of with the music at the beginning. It
was another one of those kind of jarring things like
I don't remember seeing snow in an SVU. I'm sure
it happens.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
I mean, it surely happened, but I can't recall one.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I know of ones that were shot in November just
from doing this or I actually looked it up, but yeah,
I don't recall seeing snow.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
It's interesting, Well, so much of that time would be
the sort of mid season hiatus that they would go
on around Christmas too, so there's not really that much
time that they'd be up and running shooting. Yeah, that's
during winter New York, at least winter where there's where
there'd be snow on the ground.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
I mean, maybe there was like a late season snowstorm
or something when they were filming in March, as it
was supposed to be happening.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
If it was dropped in March, it was probably finished,
you know, like a month and a half ahead of time.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, the cards all said March. I didn't look at
it the actual like when it was dated from.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Usually the cards are pretty close to the day. Let
me look real quick, So Dearly Beloved it aired on
April fourth, It was probably shot in early February.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, that makes sense. Let me just talk about the
couple cards that I always wanted to talk about. The
ballet studio was at nineteenth Street, ninety seven West nineteenth Street.
I tried figuring out if that's where it actually was
based on the buildings in the background, but that was
a little bit harder than you might think. I don't
think it's where they said it was, because I think
you can see the City Group Center, which is a

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famous building that's kind of got the it's like white
with a forty five degree angle thing at the top.
I think you could see that one in the background,
and it would have it in a weird place that
wouldn't make sense. But I couldn't get a good idea
of it. The gym where bo Albricht worked was kind
of a funny one, so it was two eighty seventh Avenue,
and it's actually that address is the Museum at FIT,

(28:59):
the Fashion Institute of Technology. So maybe that's a little
in joke, right, putting a museum at FIT where a
fitness junkies go. And then the last one that I
point out, I will point out rather is Kitty's Apartment,
which is ninety one West twenty first Street. And this
is a very bland block that just makes me sad

(29:20):
about what New York City is nowadays because it's got
a Chipotle, a game stop, something called New York Burger
Company that looks incredibly boring, a McDonald's, and is right
across the street from a Trader joe So I'll give
you the Trader Joe's. That's kind of nice, but it's
just like impossibly bland. There's zero local flavor or interesting
downtown color.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Sorry, but there's a New York Burger Company there. There's
nothing more New York than New York Burger Company.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
It looks terrible. Man.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
So I've got a couple more notes about mostly about Josh,
not me. I want to clarify, not you, Josh. Yeah,
I'm not this guy. One and Josh have a shitty
relationship where he dominates her while listening to classical music.
There's no way the fun loving girl with the bridesmaids
in the cold Open wants to be loving classical music
and he makes a read Russian literature.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, that's fucking weird. Are we talking.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Presumably Dostoyevski and fucking Tolstoy, Yeah, Tolstoy and Pasternak, And
I mean it's not fun.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
No, it's not fun. I mean if it was like
if it was like check off, but you wouldn't say
literature if you're reading checkof right, that's like I'm reading
Playing Maybe because.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
It's a classic play that it would be fucking Grandfather Dan.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
But it would be funny if there was like a
little like gun and act one fired at the act
three or something like that. But I didn't notice anything
quite quite that well plotted. Note about Josh's fashions. So
this motherfucker was wearing like a thick cable knit sweater
with no shirt underneath it. That's kind of monstrous. I
think you wear an undershirt with a heavy sweater.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yeah. Yeah, because he's gonna fucking hitch.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's gonna itch. And you also like you're gonna go
in and out of warm stuff you want to, Yeah,
and you're gonna sweat into it.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
I assume that that's TJ. I'm assuming it's fine. But
maybe it's fine or fine, but I'm assuming it's, you know,
boner from bones. I'm assuming that's like his personal fashion.
That's what he does that he he hears too, irl,
living off that sweet sweet bones money.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, sweet bones buddy.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
The other day, Chanel, Oh, when Josh has the bottle
to his neck, he still has the balls to say
she's sick, needs help. I love. Then when Lana out
of fucking nowhere, just like do it. And then and
then oh he raped her too. This guy's a monster.
He pulled up my dress.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
And he ripped me, and then I drove him home.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
That doesn't make what he did okay.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
I was so confused about what had happened.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
He called me the next day and asked me to
make an offer on the loft. When the seller accepted,
he showed up my apartment with flowers.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Champagne.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
That was an apology for me so right with me.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
When I tried to talk to him about it, he
said it was okay, but I used my sexuality to
cement the relationship.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
He's sick. Jesus Christ. That's fucking gross.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Big time. Pretty happy looking wedding to a relationship that's
built on some dark, horrible shit.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, terrible, terrible things, a terrible foundation for that relationship.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
And you know, Josh has some wonderful friends. The Stalwart
family seemed very pleasant. It's really sad for all of them.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
At least Lana's out. Now she's going to get to
smoke weed with all our friends again.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Well that's true, and you know, maybe she can start,
you know, actually finding an ethical therapist and getting her
shit unpacked, which has clearly needed to happen for some time.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
So the subtext in the harbor Side scene is don't
be a dickhead like my drunk mom.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Right, Yeah, that's basically it. My drunk mom was an
asshole to me, and that's what I've been living with
my entire life. So my mom sucks. But I'm glad
she didn't abort me. I guess, I guess is.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
The Yeah, that's that's the subtext. Should we just get
to rating this fucker.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Let's just rate this motherfucker. So every week we rate
these episodes. We do it on a few criteria. We
do the four tiered scale, Yeah, four tiered scale. We
do the quality of the episode, the guests, how problematic
the episode was, and problematic being a thing we want
it to upset us and make us feel a little dirty,
and then the depth and breadth of lives ruined within

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the episode. This comes together in a composite score that
we then can kind of rank against all the other
ones that we've seen. So we do this on a
ten point scale too, And we've had an episode be
as high as a nine point twenty five, and we've
had an episode be as low as a one point five.
So I don't know, Josh, I think this one is
going to be somewhere in the middle, but not especially high.

(34:27):
But let's just get to it. Let's start with the quality.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
I would guess it ends up at like four and
a half of five.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Let's start with the quality. What do you think? I
thought it was a professionally made episode that kind of
fell apart in the second half, is how I would
describe it. Yeah, I mean, plot wise at least.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, sitting through an episode where both the victim and
the perp are liars and just sitting there watching the
unit get to the bottom of all of these lies
to try to find the truth gets a little tedious.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
It kind of strains credulity too, right because police, like
detectives don't have time for that sort of thing, right,
They're they're kind.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Of especially since the unit apparently only has three people
who work in it.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, but they have to have victims helping.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
It seems like there are a lot more rapes in
New York that need neither attention than this fucking case.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So what do you think overall quality? Where'd you? I'd
say it four. That's kind of how I feel.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
That's where I come down on, like, not bad.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
But not not above average. The guests, so, Shiry Appleby
was great. She has a weird uh because we just
saw the other Applebee episode and her character has almost
exactly the same shit happened to her, which is an
authority figure take advantage of her position and rape her
and then basically make her look like the bad guy.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
I mean, I hope she comes back in a third
episode where she doesn't have to rehash the same character
over and over just because I generally like her. Yeah,
but she wasn't getting to unearth anything new as an actor.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, it's the same, it's the same ground that she's
she's chilling. But I still think the kind of like
reality bending aspect of that is fun.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
It is.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
I thought all the smaller roles were good. I thought
Lana Stalwarth was good. I thought Hanna Burkowitz. I thought
Hannah Burkowitz was great.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, I mean the guest stars were good, and there
is that brain melter, like, wait, she was just on
an episode like five fucking seasons ago, So there is
that where, you know, the universe just fucking you know,
is sort of like turning in on itself. And so
that's fun, especially because we just watched like from where

(36:38):
we are right now, we just dropped that episode like
two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, I want to call it a five because I
think it's got two things. It's got the sheery Applebee
part is a lot of fun, and I think that
also the directorial choice to just say fuck it with
the with the character names and you know, have Hannah
Berkowitz be a gay Asian lady.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
The Filipino star Wars.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, I think that's great and I love it and
I think it's Yeah, I think it should be. It's
I don't think that there's standout performances or really besides
Cheery Appleby. It's not like the last episode we watch
it had Jane chasmeric in it, and it had like
bigger stars. We've seen a lot with kind of bigger
names recently. So I don't know five or six somewhere

(37:20):
in there.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, five, I think five s line.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Okay, so we're saying five for the guests. What about
How problematic was it? Because this is kind of its
best I think this is his best category, it's its
finest attributes because it was definitely problematic. Yes, it definitely
made you confront Benson's tortured past as a product of rape,
and it really made you question what psychologists are up to.

(37:47):
You know, what the fuck is that profession doing out there?

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, like, how many therapists are the rapists?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
They are the rapists, aren't they? So what do you
want to say? Seven? Seven?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah? Yeah, because it's undermining a you know, at least
in this time, undermining a thing that people should be
genuinely like seeking out there are a lot more people
that have problems that therapy is generally sort of still stigmatized,
and this further stigmatizes.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
This episode is putting a big space in between the
E and the R.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Huge space. It's all coming. It's rapist is all caps
in this episode from therapist.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
All right, so we're gonna say seven that's.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
The name of the episode.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
And then it also has it also gets very pro
life at the end. It gets very pro life where
Live is basically talking about more or less recommending the
cheery apple be goes and gets a fetal heart rate
exam before she goes and gets the procedure done.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
You know, that's a this is sort of a persistent
problem with this show. Yeah, where especially now you know
twenty twenty one seasons in the main character of the show,
in many cases would have been aboarded and we hear
that every time someone's pregnant.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, And you'd think that she would have a more
professional response to this at this point in her career, because.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
I mean, isn't she a captain, Well, she's a lieutenant.
Shouldn't she not even really be working this case?

Speaker 1 (39:25):
She's still a lieutenant And still said lieutenant on her desk.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Oh, Okay, she's a captain in season twenty one. Then, okay,
she's a captain by season twenty one.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Still, but she is probably the single most decorated and
respected rape investigator in the city of New York, and
a city that has thirty thousand police officers at its disposal.
She clearly has to confront this as part of her
job all the fucking time. It should be rote, yeah,

(39:55):
and she should have a very good response for it,
which is, you know, maybe in part colored by her experiences,
but not where she has a breakdown every time she
hears that somebody.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Is contemplating abortion.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, we're going to have a rate pag Yeah, you know,
it's like she's not birthing you Live. I'm sorry, but.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
I wonder how many times a season Live has that
scene just existential fucking quagmire.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
What we should do is we should do a like
a sound cue montage video of every time Live is
wistfully staring out Venetian blinds.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
You know, can we uh, can we farm that out
to somebody else? Hey, whoever, whoever wants to do that
for us? That would be awesome because Adam and I
really do not have the time. He's got a dog
and a baby in the room with him right now.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Jesus Christ. All right, so let's get to the last one.
Depth and breadth of live's ruined. So you know it's
got to be average, right.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah, yeah, because presumably he has more victims. We also
have the bride, Lona Stalworth is Philip. You know, her
parents are conceivably immigrants, or she's probably at the point
in the like post immigration cycle where like her parents
might be second generation and doing okay, but they still
have to pay the bills for all that fucking wedding shit.

(41:14):
You know, like it didn't look like it was a
cheap wedding. There were hundreds in the background. They surely
aren't getting their deposits back, Like this is conceivably really
doing damage to her family's pocketbook, and she's a victim,
and so then her parents are victims.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
That was a big wedding, and it was clearly like
a two sit wedding. So you got the church and
you got the reception hall afterwards you're losing your deposit
on all of that.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Yeah, the food, I mean, conservatively speaking, they're out probably
what twenty five thirty thousand.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Dollars something like that easily. Yeah, you know, and not
to mention, maybe.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
The church didn't cost that much, but the reception would have.
It depends in New York especially.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
But here's the thing with the Catholic weddings, So it
doesn't officially cost that much, but you're expected to give
donations in order to kind of.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
You know, it's all a fucking shakedown.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
He's the passage exactly, and you have to do these
wedding classes. It's it's a mess. So it looked like
a big family.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
So if Pope Francis cared about the people, he would
make sure that that shakedown bullshit went away. I'm putting
you on notice, Pope.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
This is a shakedown that's been going on for fifteen
hundred years. Okay, So so we got the family. Their
lives are clearly fucked. Cherie Applebee seems to I think,
coming out of this on the up and up.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Well, she's still gonna have to fucking deal with having
that baby.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Well it's not clear that is one thing. Okay, hold on,
he thinks it's dinner time. It's not. She's clearly contemplating
having an abortion or not. And so it's it's going
to be an issue for her, But I think that
she's coming out of this with empowered I would say,
by by facing down her accuser and coming clean with
her own life.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
She really faced him down. Yeah, she sure fucking she
broke that fucking bottle often.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
You know, in the same way Lana Stalworth now is
not having to go through with a marriage based on
fucking horrifying rape as the beginning of it. So that's
a good thing.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
And being forced to like Russian literature, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Seriously, I mean, I feel like some of you dabble it.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I don't want to shit on Russian literature, but like
it's not the only thing I would want to take it.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
I mean, but it's great, like absolutely expose yourself to
it at the right time, which is not when you're
like thirty years old getting married for rapist, Yeah, rapist husband.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
It's like he's raving her all over again.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Every fucking time they go to a ball in War
and Peace, it's like he's raping her again. Basically, Okay,
so who else? So ball Albrecht has the restraining order, Well,
that's he's fine. Trying to think of who else has
a problem.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
I think that's it really.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
I mean, Hanna Hannah Berkowitz had some issues with the
traffic through the tunnel, but I don't think that's really
that big of a deal.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
I don't think that factors in on our scale. But honestly,
I feel like the first tunnel traffic.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
I feel like liv comes out of this episode worse
than almost anybody.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Yeah, but I mean, do we give her credit for that?
I know, because again and we shouldn't. She should have
dealt with this. I'm sorry, And she's seeing a therapist
at this point too. I'm the no therapist, not the rapist.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
But again, I am highly sympathetic to her trauma from childhood. However, again,
to be in her position, though, you have to deal
with it. You just have to. Yeah, I don't know
what are we saying four for this stepth and breadth
of lives ruined? And I'm giving the four just because, like, yeah, four,
the family lost a lot of money, lost a.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Fuck load of money, and I don't think they were loaded.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
No, they didn't look loaded. So yeah, that brings us
right in at five. So that's that works.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
It seems average to me.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
It was enjoyable while I was watching it, and then
when I went to watch it again, I didn't find
too much to really.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
I've seen this episode four times in the last six months,
because I watched it when I was finishing up season
twenty and then we drew it, and so I watched
it two more times when we're about to tape, and
then the omegan m MAX and the post VMP we
went into a two month hiatus recording. Luckily we had
a bunch of banked episodes.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, we sure did. No, it's funny, so five what's
a in kind of interesting company. We've also given fives
to the Rory Culkin Mayor winning Him episode Manic. We
covered that in episode six that was it was the
best of Culkin's It was the worst of Culkin's. We
also gave a five to the very next episode, which

(45:52):
we covered in this Sad Sack pos has an inverted Jenny.
And then another five was given out to Persona that
was season ten, episode eight, which we did in episode
twenty three of this show, which we haven't named yet
because two weeks ago, Yeah, two weeks ago. So I
would say that this episode gets to that five in
a wildly different way than all of those other episodes. Did,

(46:15):
which those ones get there by being kind of crazy
and off the wall, and this one gets there by
being professional and.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Kind of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, so that's fun. Anything else you gotta say before
we fire up the brand new randomizer that we have. Guys,
you want to intro a randomizer?

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Yeah, I'll intro the randomizer. So Friend of the Show
flet created episode dot lol where you can type in
any show you want and it will kick out a
random episode for you.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
It works beautifully.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Yeah, it works fantastically.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
You press it. Basically, you put in the show you
want and say, yeah, that's the show I want, and
then when you hit select a random episode, it does
all the work that I was doing with a random
number integer generator.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, we were having to go to the Pedia.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Not just one. It was two Wikipedia lists, because there's
one for like season twenty one, and then another one
for seasons one through twenty.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
It's one through nineteen and then twenty and beyond. This
one pulls the capsule, tells us who's in it. It's
got a picture even Yeah, so I'm going to pick
a random episode right now.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
It's got directed by written by guest stars, a little overview.
It's really nice.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Yes, it's fantastic. It's so much more convenient for us.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Oh yeah, big time.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
So I'm going to pick a random episode right now again,
thanks Flett, so firing up the randomizer that we've got
Risk Season four, episode twelve, an infant overdoses on cocaine
mixed in the baby food, and the detective's arrest a suspect.
Upon receiving resistance from internal affairs, the entire squad goes

(47:49):
under cover to flush out a drug ring run by
dirty cops.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Okay, So this is directed by wan Jay Campanella, who's
probably directed like I would have asuming he's directed the
second most episodes best for you after JDS.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yeah, JDS.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Looking down the guest stars, not seeing a ton here
that are recognizable. Well, I feel like Ernest, Oh, Brian
Callen's in it. He's a rapist, an alleged rapist.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Oh, it's a it's a Finn episode, so it's it's.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah Ernest Waddell. Okay, so that's one of Finn's kids, right,
doesn't he play?

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah, he plays whatever ship what's his name?

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Pulling it up right now because it goes straight to
IMDb from those links. Nice he plays.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Ken Ken, but remember Ken's other name, Kwame, right.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Yeah, Kwame.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Yeah, that's uh, he goes by Ken.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Yeah, but yeah, the rest of the character or the
rest of the actors I don't recognize.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Overall seventy eight we'll see. Cool. All right, Well, uh,
let's uh, let's call it there, Josh, I've got a
baby who is probably actually he's been sleeping like an
angel this whole time. So what can I complain about?
You got you?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah, we looked out.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah all right, Well, hopefully we'll be able to do
this again next week without any problems.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Yeah, we'll see cross our.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Fingers, all right, alright, see you guys.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Munch our Benson's big time. I gave both those women

(50:26):
exactly what they wanted.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Now, you conned them into believing that that's what they wanted,
and like any good con man, you've convinced yourself that
your victims got.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
What they deserved. You are done, doctor, You're done.

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