35 - 10 Hours Of Bone Sessions To Get To The Bones Bone Session (S3E17 Surveillance) - Munch My Benson: A Law & Order: SVU Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
That's quite a video collection.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
You've got, mister Prescott. Private acts between consenting adults. They
consent to being taped, of course, not according to Valerie Baxter.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
In case you had noticed, Valeries a very fragile young lady.
Thanks to you, Valerie had visions of stardom. I tried
to help her. There was only so much I could
do with the raw material, and you did it every
which way you could. Careful, Detective, I assure you, Detective,
a good time was had by all.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
In New York City, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous.
These are their stories. Hello everyone, welcome to munch My Benson.
My name's Adam. I live in Galveston. Today was a
great day for me because I got to cancel work

(01:15):
because of high winds, and also my mother in law's
in town, so I had a babysitter, so I got
to devote my entire afternoon to Law and Order SVU,
which is a lot of fun. How are how's your life, Josh.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I'm about to finish working on the show that I'm
working on, Nice, so that's cool. It's we're coming up
on Thanksgiving, so we're having to sort of plan I
think it looks like we're going to do Thanksgiving with
Pike and Maya outside.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
And I think we're going to do lobster.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
A traditional Thanksgiving feast as it.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Were, I mean in the and the og sense. Yeah, yeah,
they toat they toats ate a bunch of lobster.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, but you're gonna have to do it in a
traditional clam bake setting where you make a fire on
the beach and then you dig up hit in the
sand and put the hot rocks surrounding the fire, and
that's how you cook the lobster.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah. I don't think that's happening, but we'll see. I
don't know if Pike is gonna ship in sand to
his patio. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. Have you
been watching anything?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Let me think, Okay, I watched some SPU I've watched
some Breaking Bad. Have I watched anything? I don't shit,
I haven't watched it. My Uh, I've been taking care
of a child and I've been editing a two and
a half hour long episode of munch My Benson. That's
what I've been doing.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
You got it down to an hour forty four, though,
so you cut forty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh fuck my life. But yeah, that's what I've been
up to.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Well, your next one, Your next one's worse. Sure, The
next one you're editing is the epic two parter.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
What Lost Reputation, And yeah it has another name for
the second part, but whatever, it doesn't matter. It was
second or.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Third parts of the Kragan, the Kragan waking up with
a dead hooker and his bad episodes. So yeah, that's
that's some wild shit.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
That's gonna be fun. And mostly that's my fault because
I think I talked for an hour about Mitch Peleggy,
you know, totally unnecessarily, you really.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
You talked a lot about Mitch Peleggy. But whatever I've
been I've actually been watching season one X Files.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Hey. Season one's fun. It's it's weird because in the
first couple of seasons of X Files, I think the
plot episodes are the most compelling ones in a weird way,
and then it switches around season three, where all of
a sudden you realize, oh, man, I should have been
enjoying those Monster of the Week episodes more because that's
where it's at and those are the awesome ones. Once

(03:59):
you get to like the high period.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, I think you're also running into an issue where
they don't like they they sort of lost suffered for
the same reason, where they don't have the mythology really
plotted out well, and so the more they the more
shit they throw at the wall, the more shit they
have to clean up.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's true, they never they never plotted it out. You'd
think by the time they got picked up for season
three they'd been like, well, maybe we should figure out
where this is going, but they sort of.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
It's at that weird zone where like where shows weren't
serialized then, yeah, almost there were almost no serialized television shows.
It was almost all episodic, procedural stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
So I mean that's what made Twin Peaks such a
phenomenon because it was heavily serialized in a world where
nothing else was.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
But it also flamed out after two years and the
second season was all over place. Yeah, not not clean.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
So yeah. So uh, I think because we've been talking
for such a long time on some of these recent episodes,
we just need to jump into this one. This one
is kind of a breath of fresh air. I feel
like we've been doing a lot of later season episodes,

(05:21):
a lot of you know, we got a lot of
Kelly Giddish and others in there. And this one is
a season three kind of by the numbers classic SVU
in a lot of ways, in the in the kind
of old fashioned way.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, I mean, I'd positive that it isn't very much
like them in one very very very specific way that
we'll get to eventually.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
But yeah, yeah, but I ensured this. I enjoyed this
one a lot. It's called Surveillance. It was a season
three episode seven, right is that?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
The episode seventeen.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Three seventeen Sorry, and yeah, let me give you a
quick rundown. So Temperance Brennan from Bone's boyfriend is worn
out from last night's steamy escapades, so he leaves her
at the stoop of her apartment instead of taking her inside.
When she opens the door to her home, she's attacked

(06:18):
by a very short, weak person in a mask who
bashes her over the head and cuts off a lock
of her hair. SVU arrives to investigate, and we discover
that the victim's name is Cassie, a cellist in the symphony.
It's not clear whether she'd been raped or not, but
the assailant definitely wrote the word whore in blood on

(06:38):
Cassie's chest. Taroo Morales, in his series debut, discovers three
spy cameras hidden throughout the apartment, covering the living room, bedroom,
and of course, the toilet. Cassie's boyfriend points the team
in the direction of Robert Prescott, the conductor of the symphony,
who also happens to be Cassie's landlord, mentor, and possible suitor.

(07:01):
Prescott had a thing for taping willowy young musicians in
the throes of passion, and it also seems like he
had a violent temper, so he's looking like our guy.
A search of the Maestro's apartment reveals a vast collection
of self produced sex tapes, but a decidedly low tech
camera setup which doesn't exactly match with the setup inside

(07:22):
Cassie's apartment. After a long night of watching Prescott perform
the same series of sexual moves over and over again,
SVU eventually finds a video of Cassie, who hasn't been
entirely truthful. She was hiding her relationship with Prescott from
the cops because she was afraid of the effect it
could have on her career. After all, the woman who'd

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previously lived in Cassie's apartment, had been kicked out of
the orchestra after breaking up with Prescott. Prescott hadn't done
anything like that to Cassie, though, but someone kept sending
her flowers and calling the moment she walked in her
door every night. Next, a notice found saying die bitch
written in blood on the smashed remains of Cassie's cello.

(08:06):
This leads s for you to solicit George Wong's advice.
He thinks the attacker might be an Arotto mannic weirdo
obsessed with Cassie from Afar, someone she might not even
know now. Cassie's building had new alarms installed recently, and
a talk with the installation company reveals that someone had
stolen the uniform and paperwork off of one of their techs.

(08:27):
A server is found in a nearby building, service by
the fake installer, but there's only one person viewing the
Cassie Germaine show, a straggly haired freak named Terry Willard.
Willard's young but protective landlady Amy reluctantly lets SVU into
his thoroughly groovy apartment, which contains a locked dark room

(08:48):
slash extremely creepy shrine to Cassie. Willard's years long obsession
with Cassie led him to jail for credit card fraud
and lost him his job at a tech company downtown.
He seems to be a lock for the attacker as
his behavior is getting increasingly erratic, but SVU is having
trouble finding him, so Morales hatches a honeypot scheme to

(09:10):
lure Willard to Cassie's symphonic debut, where he is then
taken into custody. Though Terry is certainly weird, he seems
to be genuinely shocked when Stabler accuses him of the assault.
His landlady come side piece Amy posts bail just as
SVU learns that Cassie was shot twice in the back
outside her boyfriend's apartment, so the chase is back on

(09:33):
the hunt for Terry leads first to an internet cafe
and eventually to a fleabag motel in my future neighborhood,
where Amy is found freshly showered. She tells Benson about
the sweet life she and Terry could have lived in
Oklahoma if it weren't for quote that whore. What's left
of Terry is found in the bathroom with his blood
and indrail smeared all over the walls, all over the walls,

(09:59):
and we are given a sorry with a fringe on
top dick Wolf.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh god, damn it. I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Shocked at the ending, totally, totally wasn't expecting it.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, I've seen the episode, but it's been a long
time and it was like, whoa, wait what I did
not remember that at all. When Nate Mooney showed up,
I was like, oh fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's the stalker. I forgot all about that. But holy shit,
this is like we've dealt with maybe two episodes that

(10:37):
had an as shocking ending as this one. Really won
just trade. It was just trade, and Trade was a
little more like it was not obvious, but it was.
It was more telegraph than this was.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
I mean, you knew from the from the first scene
with the landlady though, that there was something off about her,
just the way she was like, but he's such a
nice boy, he would never do anything like that. No,
of course.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Then but then there you find out they're fucking and
it's like okay, yeah, yeah, then it makes more sense
that she would be defending him. But yeah, it was.
I mean there, I mean one of those like cackle,
one of those cackle at the end for like thirty
seconds because you're just like I can't believe, like the
shot of Stabler, like where he fucking like like zoom

(11:24):
trains his gun over to the bathroom door when he
sees the pants on the floor, uh huh, and then
he kicks it in and he's like they've got that
shot from inside the bathtub. That like that's where the
cameras set up the shot from inside the bathtub of
like you know, him with just a fucking towel strewn
over his lap.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
He's like broken corpse and like footprints of blood.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Like against a toilet or something.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, uh yeah, very.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah. Yeah, it was fucking great. I loved the ending
so much. I suppose we should talk about the guests probably, yeah,
I mean obviously touched on a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah. The first person we need to talk about is
Emily de Chanel is the main character Cassie Victim. I
really don't know what to say about her besides the
fact that she was on Bones for twelve seasons, which
is shockingly long. But at the same time, season twelve
of SVU seems early in the show's run.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Got Michael Nader, who played Robert Prescott, the Conductor. He
was Farnsworth Dexter, who was Jones Collins's character's third husband
on Dynasty. Is also Dimitri Merrick from All My Children,
which this was like the time where Adam and I
would conceivably have maybe watched All My Children, Like I

(12:44):
watched a little bit of it in the late nineties.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I was more of a Days of Our Lives guy.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Frank Oh, yeah, I was an ABC soaps guy, not NBC.
But in two thousand and one he was arrested for
attempting to sell cocaine to an undercover officer hell Ya,
which was which resulted in his dismissal from All My Children.
And so that's like two years before this.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Wow. Okay, that's that's pretty spicy to be Wow Okay. Interesting.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
So then we've also got Nate Mooney. Obviously he's playing
Terry Willard. He's Ryan mcpoil from It's Always Sonny in Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
He went to high school in Franklin, Wisconsin and graduated
from Iowa State with a BS in aerospace engineering.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
There's also the weird sunny connection between Emily Deshanel and
and Nate Mooney because Emily Deshanel is married to David Holmby.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Okay, interesting, we played cricket and is one of the interesting.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
So like there's there's probably I would assume that this
might actually be how they might have all gotten together
sort of.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Do you think this episode of launched a love affair
to spend generation?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Maybe it's pot I mean they didn't get they didn't
get together until like twenty David Hornsby. Sorry, I sent
Holmeby before David Hornsby. They got married in twenty ten. Okay,
but like I know all of the I know all
of the sunny guys, or at least Rob mcelenny and

(14:24):
Charlie Day had both sort of struggled as actors in
New York. And Rob mcleenny is in an episode of
either SVU or the original series Nice. Back in the
early odds, maybe even late.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Nineties, Nice, I thought that both of them were so good.
Both Michael Nader and Nate Mooney were really great in
their respective roles because they really played up just pervy freaks,
both of them.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, there's there's such a weird over abundance
of Purview Freaks in this episode, so and then I
think lastly from my perspective of the actors we need
to talk about is Jennifer Laura Thompson, who played Amy Slocum,
the Landlady Girlfriend. This is right after she was nominated

(15:18):
for Tony for her turn as Hope Cladwell and You're
in Town, which was hot on the heels of her
playing Ariel Moore in the original Broadway cast of the.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Footloose musical Oh Weird Okay.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
She also, right after this replaced Kristin Chenowith as Glinda
in Wicked, and then more recently she was like the
originating She was the originating actress for the role of
Cynthia and Dear Evan Hansen, which is another hot shit

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Broadway play. She's a big Broadway star, which doesn't help
any of us because none of us know who she is.
But she was actually kind of at this point the
you could argue, because she'd just come off a Tony nomination. Uh,
you could argue that she's actually probably the biggest star

(16:10):
in this unless you want to consider Michael Nader a
bigger star.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
But Emily Time, Yeah, yeah, Emily Deshanel wasn't a person, wasn't.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Like a thing name.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, you know two thousand, this is what two thousand
and three? Two or three? Huh, So this is, you know,
like hell, Zoe Deschanel is basically not really in stuff.
I think at this point she'd probably been in maybe
she'd been in all the Real Girls.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I don't know. I didn't look up Zoe at all.
I was thinking about like tying in Zoe a bunch
to this, but I was like, that, don't.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, there's no point.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, I'd have to think about five hundred Days of
Summer and how much I fucking hate that movie. There's
one other actor that we will need to talk about
who is in this, but I'm going to leave it
in later because when I realized who he was, I
was like, holy fuck, and I and I'm just gonna

(17:09):
I'm just gonna leave it as the spoiler spoiler for later.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Cool.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
So my first episode note.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Well, we got to talk about Joel de la Fuenta too,
because this is his first appearance in the show.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
I mean, we've seen him a bunch, but I feel.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Like this is the best. This is the biggest, moralest
episode that we've seen. He's in it a lot. He
sets up some of the he's kind of one of
the biggest investigators in this whole thing. He's you know,
he finds the camera. He actually doesn't find the cameras,
but he finds the second and third cameras and then
finds the server. And he's the one who kind of

(17:42):
is leading them on the chase to uh find Terry.
And I think he was gat.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
You starting to dip its toes and trying to understand
technology exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
And you can tell they really hit the books and
learning what the internet was in this one.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Like my notes later on really loving the early two
thousand and three tech talk Jesus Christ, like what hooks
up my computer to the World Wide Web? Or you
mean he's sending his video out over the Internet.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
I was kind of surprised. Yeah, they didn't say what
DSL stood for and.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, that's it, but he said Internet Service provider later,
So they didn't. They didn't shorthand ISP, but they did.
They the L and DSL stand for line though, right, And.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
They kept saying to digital service line.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah yeah, yeah, and so that and then there's also
that like dumb welcome to the Information Age. Oh god,
It's like it's like the writers just asked their one
nerd friend how all this internet stuff works. But yeah,
it's fun.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
I mean he's in fifty two episodes over ten seasons,
so this is actually also.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Peter Herman's second episode, okay, as Trevor Langins.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, and he's in a lot as well.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, he's still he still appears because you know he's Missus,
he's mister Hart.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I didn't realize that. See what happens when I don't
do any research about the main cast.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, yeah, they're married. Nice, they've been married for a while.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Nice. I would say also that Cassie's boyfriend looks and
he looks like hot Steve Bannon, did you notice that? What?
Am I the only one who thinks that?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Oh kinda yeah, yeah, I can see that, like like
if you unpickled him exactly. Yeah, he took off like
thirty years and about like fifty years of drinking.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, thousand cases of rot gut wine, and that's what
he comes out like.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I want to start at the very first shot because
the folly artist is a pervert. That kissing sound and
the opening seconds of the episode was straight up disgusting,
Like it was. It's it's like one of those sloppy,
gross kisses that just like the sound like they weren't
kissing that way. But it's clear that the Foley artists like,

(20:03):
oh no.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
This is good, turn this up to eleven.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Eleven, more like thirty eight. It was gross.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
No, And there's a very strong implications that that, like
last night, they had had some extremely freaky sex. Are
you sure you won't come on, I've got an early
session tomorrow and after last night, I'm gonna get some rest.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Oh yeah, I mean, cellists only get their bone on
and freaky ways.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Well, and here's another thing, right, like, why are cellists
always this hyper sexualized? Yeah, it's like a cross strap.
I mean it's seriously, I have I have a whole
list of hyper sexualized cellists from Shelley Long in The
money Pit the first time I'd be able to talk
about a Tom Hanks film in a long time. We've

(20:54):
also got I.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Would posit one of his worst films. And I'm not
really a big Tom Hanks fan, but.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, you know, I enjoyed Money Pit when I was
like nine years old, and.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh fuck, have you watched it in the last ten years?
It's brutal it is. It's nigh unwatchable.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
But you've also got Sigourney Weaver in uh Ghostbusters, and
I would say in More in the Jungle, Yeah, but
also in short cuts, the Robert Alright classic, you've got what.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Is that Lori singer?

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Who's the cella Lori singer? Yeah, it was Lori singer
and she's a cello y naked Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, I mean she's there's full frontal singer in shortcuts.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
There sure is. Yeah, so yeah, cello. I guess it's
a hot instrument, the hottest instrument. I've always been a
best sooon man myself.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Said, no one ever.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
So anyways, the attacker is like clearly short and weak.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
But the weird thing is like the grunting of her
assailant is clearly not female. Also, so that's another weird
cold open fully artist Maybe it's a d R, but
probably fully artists because that sound is not digetically recorded
in that scene. No, like they did not have a
love on. They did not have a love on the

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stunt presumably slight of frame stunt man, because did not
really seem to have the build of a female and
surely did not have the build of our actress ends
up being the purport. Actually no, yeah, this was clearly

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not her in black.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Because the assailant was like it came up to Chanel's shoulder.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Maybe Chanel's tall to at least seems tall.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
I mean, yeah, she's very slender and tall.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
I'm gonna look up her height real quick.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
But she sure looks tall. I mean maybe, uh fucking
David Boreen's is just really short. That would also be possible.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Deshanel's five to nine Okay, yeah, she's tall. No, David
Borriannas is tall. David Borrianna's is five or is six
two sixty three?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Isn't it weird? How fucking much money David Borriannas must have.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Because he was like a lead cast member in multiple
series that went.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
On that went to syndication.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, well, and we're on the air. Just their first
runs were decades. Yeah, I mean how long was Angel
on it?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well, between between Buffy and Angel, you know, he's on
He's on the first what three seasons of Buffy? Yeah,
and then he gets four seasons of Angel.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Twelve seasons of Bones.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Twelve seasons of Bones. Now he's on that other CBS
show yeah, that what the unit or not the unit,
but something like that. Some fucking see Oh Seal Team,
isn't he on Seal Team?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I don't fucking know, man, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
I don't I haven't had real TV and we can
cut off out.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
But it's weird like both, okay. So in in twenty fifteen,
Brianna's and Deshanel and then two EPs who wrote the
books upon which Bones was based, filed suit against Fox
claiming they were cheated out of their share of profits
from the series. In February twenty nineteen, an arbitrator awarded
them one hundred and seventy nine million dollars. Damn so

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on top of all of the normal syndication money that
you would get as a lead actor. And in twelve
twelve season series they the four of them, and obviously
their lawyers took probably half of it, but the four
of them walked out the door with probably conservatively twenty
five million dollars a piece.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Damn way to go them. Stick it to Fox man. Yeah,
fuck folks, It's amazing to me that Bones was worth
that much money.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
But fuck Fox unless they want to buy a series
that I write absolutely even then they're not They're not
the ideal spot that I want to land. Well, I mean,
just you hear bad things.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
They'll cancel your show after twelve episodes, oh for sure.
Well okay, so the cameras strewn throughout her aportment apartment
struck a nerve for me because the worst job I
ever had in my life kind of involves toilet cams

(25:18):
in a strange way. So I used to work. For
less than a month, I worked as a cook at
a sushi restaurant in downtown Austin. It eventually was where
Silhouette was. You might remember Silhouette. It's two blocks down
from Little City. But before then, I'm telling you, I
totally have blanked on what the name of it was

(25:39):
back then.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Anyways, this must have been in like two thousand and
two or something.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Something like that. It was a long time ago, so
not to ages. Yeah, I knew it was gonna be
terrible the first ach when I walked in, because the
owner was just like a fucking dickhead. He's like a
creepy guy. I was slick back here, and he was
unwilling to fill out my tax forms, which was weird.
And eventually it was just why. I was like, you
know what, no, I'm not gonna pick up the phone.

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And when I decided to quit and just didn't tell
them that I was quitting and just left and never
answered the phone, it's like, fuck those guys. Well, anyways,
that job sucked. And two years later I found out
that he had been arrested when a waitress discovered a
close circuit camera in the women's room that was trained

(26:26):
on the toilet. Now, apparently she informed the manager, who
immediately called the cops because I'm telling you, the owner
fucking sucked. So like, yeah, anybody would think that guy sucked.
And I'm sure the manager I didn't know the person.
I'm sure she was like, you know what you're going down,

(26:47):
you motherfucker. Anyways, he's weird.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I've never heard of a restaurant owner in Austin sucking, yeah, right,
being like a total creep.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
God, fuck that place. It was the only job I've
ever just like quit without notice. In fact, yeah, I
never even told them that I quit. I just stopped
answering the phone until you stop calling me.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
I mean, fuck those people, you know, it's not like
neither of us have It's not like we haven't had
enough jobs to wear, like you know what a shitty
fucking owner slash boss situation.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Is, you know, yeah, absolutely, we have a.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Weird amount of Emily Deschanel not wearing a shirt in
this episode. Yes, like Temperance. Brennan is decidedly not sexed
up for like the entire series of Bones. So it's
really really weird. There are at least what three shots
of her in a bra. Yeah, and and I mean

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they get that close shirt, they get the close up
of the chest. It's you know, from like it's from
the second button up, so like it. But when they
show horror like scroll across our chest and.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
You see most of the chest.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yes, yeah, it's it's really odd.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I found the hospital seemed to be so weird.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Oah yeah, yeah, this is where we see her in
the press in front of because.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
It's just like, oh, my boyfriend left me some clothes
and she's just gonna get dressed in front of Benson
while they're talking. But also there's a very awkward exchange
between her and the doctor when Benson walks in because
he's you know, doing like a you know, like a
concussion check on her or something, and He's like, it
seems like Benson's walking in on him about to do
some creepy sexual thing with her, and he's like, oh, well, no,

(28:25):
I'm done. I'm gonna leave. But it also seems like
it's not her room because on the wall there are
X rays of somebody's broken foot, and she did not
suffer any foot trauma that we heard about. In fact,
she yeah, she didn't limp. But yeah, we do get
to see her lebron that scene. There's a lot of

(28:46):
great like.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
And then there's the there's another one later on video too.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, that's true. You know where she's with Prescott. There's
a lot of punny interplay between everybody in this one.
I feel like everybody's punning at each other the whole time,
which is fun. Still, say Prescott could hire somebody now,
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
The attacks were too personal for a surrogate. Cards, the flowers,
the cello, these are intimate gestures.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Fortunately we've eliminated the only two men she's been involved with.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Maybe it's an arado mannic he believes that he's in
a relationship that doesn't exist. Sounds like me and my
four X wives.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
We get some really only on SVU comments about seminal
fluid and vaginal lacerations, and also the fact that she
doesn't like for a while, we don't know whether she's
been raped or not, which is kind of an only
on SVU construct, making you think like, well, would you.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Know when you woke up the next day or not. Yeah,
it's like there's still it's still a sexual assault. Yeah,
it's just I guess we're parsing whether or not a
penis entered her as being the line between rape and
not rape. When they go to ask Valerie, who was

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Prescott's preview, his other object of affection and attention, his
previous you know, underling paramore.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah we be thin wan violinist in her case, so
less hot than a cellist.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, yeah, who cares about a violin So the dynamic
being described by her sounds like a more sexualized version
of Whiplash, which made me wonder, did Damian Chazelle rip
this episode of SVU off.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's an interesting concept and.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Also wouldn't it have been crazy if JK. Simmons's character
in Whiplash was taping his abuse of Miles Teller. Probably
there's probably a version of that movie from his POV
where he is doing that. And you know, since we
hate baiting about about Miles Teller.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Since we're talking about Prescott and his paramours, they mentioned
when they're spending like on entire night watching the videos,
that he.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Always does when they're on tape ten.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yes, when they're on tape ten, that he always does
the same position. Oh there is with the same position. No,
they don't say which one. They don't say missionary, they
don't say doggy style. So I'm wondering if it's something,
you know, more exotic. Maybe it's the golden Arch, maybe
it's the butter churner, you know, the chairman, something like that.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
I'm guessing it's doggy style. But where he's like standing
on the bed and getting a better angle down so
the camera catches it.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
I'm going with the seated wheelbarrow. Franklin. That's a fun one.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, I mean that's not I get where that. But
I think the issue for him would probably be he's
trying to get the angle right for the armoire camera.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
So he's not doing any fucking dog shit like reverse
Cowgill girls so they can put it on tastefully. This
is not tasteful, right, We don't think this is going
to be a tasteful sex No, I don't think so. Yeah,
this is some tawdry bullshite. Maybe it's the uh the
champagne room where they're both sitting up on the bed
at the end of it looking at the camera.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I like how they say, looks like we have a
long night ahead of us as they're gathering all the tapes,
like they're all like, oh God, damn it, we got
to watch this old guy Bone.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I like that also because Finn and Munch are the
ones that actually find the dasty tape.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, they're having a tag team the tapes.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
That implies that all of them are watching these tapes
all night. Maybe Kragan's watching another set in the other room.
I hope he has a spot or at least cud uh.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
And seriously, what are the odds of Bones having two
creeps taping or without our knowledge? I know two different
people are are like, are producing sex tapes with that?
This is two thousand and three. Cameras weren't that prevalent.
No one had It was like everyone had a camera
on their person at all times in their cell phone.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, basically unless you were the guy from Hogan's heroes.
You weren't making sex tapes at this point.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, well, Bob Crane's dead at this point, isn't.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
He Probably, But you know he made a lot of
sex tapes back in the day.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Oh yeah him John Carpenter. Yeah not John Carpenter, John Carpenter.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I gotta say that, fucking Terry Well, okay, first off,
Terry Willard another to first name name, fuck this shit,
but I'm sorry to goes. His apartment is fucking amazing
and let me down a path that made me understand

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the episode a little bit better because this episode, I
believe is an homage to the Michelangelo Antonioni masterpiece blow Up,
which is actually based on a Julio Cortazar short story,
which is about someone a fatageographer, seeing a crime happening

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in the background of a photograph he's taken and it
leads to this whole you know, storyline that and unfolds
from there. And I say that because, okay, for one thing,
Willard's apartment is like straight out of fucking swinging London
in the mid sixties. It is fucking groovy as fuck.
He's got cross skis on the wall, he's been missing all.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Those weird squares painted on the wall.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Tag it's so cool.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
It's like series of squares.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, it's like it's like an Ellsworth Kelly kind of
like uh, you know, exhibit inside his apartment, just the
squares painted on his wall. And he's got like he's
been missing from the apartment for over a week at
this point, I believe based on the timeline, and I
didn't exactly exactly how many days, but he's been missing

(34:51):
for a while. Like all the lights are on but
in an extremely viby mood lighting. How this guy is
not slain tank left and right in this pad is
beyond me. I mean, I suppose he is, but not.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Not exactly weird weird psycho Oklahoma tang.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yes. Now another thing so also from blow Up that
the room is kind of like, I forget who the
actor is in it, but kind of like his dark room.
But it's more like a classic episode of I'm Alan
Partridge called to Kill a mocking allan uh huh ah,
where in Alan, after upsetting a couple Irish turfs, he

(35:32):
gives a shoddy afternoon with Alan talk and meets his
biggest fan, who takes him to his house and basically
surrounds him with really weird images of Alan and in
this one again he's like made life size cutouts of
Emily Deschanel in addition to having like photos of her

(35:54):
as a child. It's fucking creepy.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, I was curious. Do you think Bones got to
keep the cardboard cutout of her with the cello?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Two thousand and one or three or whatever it is.
It's two thousand and three right when this is filmed.
The early two thousand has come up a lot, and
two nine to eleven is mentioned bunch and the tech
Crash features prominently in kind of the second half, even
though the second time I watched it I just skipped
over the dumb tech guy because it was pointless.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yes, it was basically is there is a weird moment
where you're looking at the guy and you're like, doesn't
it seem like he wouldn't be the tech bro that
would be showing them around? I mean, tech bro is
a thing, but he doesn't seem like a tech bro.
He's a bro, but he's a bro, but not a

(36:51):
tech bro.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
He's like a finance bro after work. He's not a
tech bro. It's a different guy. But yeah, I see
what you mean.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Also, the business it's called web Trends, which is totally
the name of an early season SVU made up tech company.
Oh yeah, A bunch of writers with just like a
fleeting relationship to technology.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's what they come up with, Web Trends. That sounds
like a good business. I mean, it does seem like
it could have been an early two thousands tech company
that would have gone belly up because it didn't do
anything useful that Google couldn't do in a heartbeat. Another
thing that I want to point out, so Morales. One
of the ways he's cracking the cases that he finds
Terry's like live journal page and prints it all out

(37:35):
and hands it to them. Now, it's clear when he's
handed it to them.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
He's clearly to script.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
He's clearly handing him the episode script from surveillance. It's
clearly what he's handed out.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Absolutely. I mean, I've had office jobs. I don't think
I've ever worked in an office job where they used brads.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
No, No one has ever used brads.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Outside side of the film industry.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yes, nobody has ever used brads.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
No. So my note is the legend of Cassie and
Terry is absolutely just a script of the episode someone
had lying around.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Especially using two brads with.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Two top and bottom only. Yeah, top and only, that's
absolutely just into three standard.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I was like, come on, guys, like there isn't a
single person working on the show that hasn't worked a
normal office job. Yeah, like paper clip would be stabled
or paper clipped, it wouldn't be three hole.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I guess no one uses it being almost exactly forty
five pages, which is how long this script would have been.
It would have been a binder clip but still I
mean right, or.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Possibly maybe it would be three hold, but it'd be
in a no, a binder or a like folio, you know,
like a report folio. It would never be presented to
somebody in the real world with brads and no cover.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I remember the first time I was trying to like
make a script and I was like, brads, where do
What the fuck are brads? Was this?

Speaker 1 (39:05):
When we were doing that? My name is Earl thing?

Speaker 2 (39:07):
No I did. I had like a class once that
Oh funny about my name is Earl. I was supposed
to have Jason Lee on the boat last week, but
he canceled. He was gonna he's a photographer, and he's
doing a book about d Yeah, apparently he's into Texas
history and he's doing a thing about Galveston. But so
he's supposed to come on and photographed the sunset, but

(39:29):
it's too cloudy.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
So crab Man used to live in our apartment building. Weird, like,
the first two years we were here, he was down.
He was on the first floor.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Hell yeah, I like Crabman.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
I like crab Man too, anyway, off of that.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
So okay. And so in the same scene, Craigan, Munch,
and Finn do this walk and talk where they're pretending
to read the Live Journal print out, and Craign goes
to a vending machine and just grabs a soda from
the bottom of the vending machine. He doesn't put any money,
and he doesn't prunch any buttons. He just grabs a soda.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
He bought it earlier, I bet just left it there
and everyone's like, oh, that's Craigan's don't touch it.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I'm really into Wong's look in this. So he's got
a black tie with a brown shirt and a browner
jacket that look. Yeah, those bald nice look. I don't
like it as much as I like Finn's tuxedo. Look
at the concert hall, which I liked a lot.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
So much. Weird shit about the concert hall scene, like
how the fuck does the rat box make it past
the cops?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
What?

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Like what kind of operation are they running? And four
of them, all four of them are fucking you know stage,
they're off stage.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Right well, and also like, okay, so the SVU people
are the ones who have to go interview with these
people as they get arrested. Right, Why are don't they
have unis doing this work? How? I mean Terry got
through their.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
But UNI's and street clothes, they'd have to be well, no,
it wasn't Terry, though we know that it wasn't Terry
because it was her.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Well, yeah, I know, but Terry still got through their course.
Yeah he was sitting down in the concert hole when
they went.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, but he wasn't doing it. They didn't. I don't
think they knew what Terry looked like yet, did they?

Speaker 2 (41:14):
They did, They had pictures of him because that's how
because because they were talking about using facial recognition software
to flex moralesis you know, tech knowledge, and so that's
how they were able to find him. He was like
the fourth person that they that they identified. Now, I've
been to the symphony before a few times. My parents

(41:37):
are fans of classical music, as somebody who's gone to
the opera and the symphony, into small concerts. This was
not a classical music crowd that was filing into that place.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
You mean it wasn't all all like sixty five fifty five.
I was gonna be generous and say fifty five in
New York, but fifty five ninety year old.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yes, yeah, there there was not. There's a decided lack
of decaying flesh in there. And also they weren't dressed
very nice, like the people walking by. There's a guy
in a leather jacket. The first guy that they tracked
down is wearing a fucking wind breaker. That's not what
you wear to this. That's not where you wear to
Lincoln Center, which is where this is supposed to be.

(42:21):
They don't actually call it Lincoln Center, and they don't
put it in the address there, but all of the
addresses that they that they mark are kind of surrounding
Lincoln Center, which is the big.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Which standard art where it would be.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, that's where you would have That's where the you know,
skeezy conductor would put up his paramours. I say, season three,
Hargatain a cocktail dress. Yes, And that's basically where my
notes start to fizzle out, except I have one last
important one. So and their final track down for when

(42:55):
they're when they're racing to find what has happened to
Terry Willard. It takes him to an internet cafe also
on the Upper West Side.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
And there's a young kid.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Online, an aspirant pervert.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
An aspirant pervert watching Emily Deschanel.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
That's the other scene where she's.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
In a bro That kid is Greg from Succession Nicholas
Bro No way, way, yes, fucking ship. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Oh man, that's a huge reveal.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, seriously, you can't make a tomlet without breaking a
few Gregs. Guys.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
No, it is, holy shit, it's Nicholas b that.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
I was like, who else is in this? That kid
kind of looked familiar, but I thought it was just
a kid that we'd seen in SVU before. But he
played the you know, kind of the wise acre, you know,
tough New York kid. Yeah, but fucking Greg. I mean,
Craig might be the hero of the whole show in

(44:06):
a certain way. Maybe also the biggest villain.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Yeah, I feel like how that breaks.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I'm excited about the Greg storyline because I think that
there's there's a lot there.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
My last main note other than that, this is like
the craziest reveal we've had in a long time, maybe
in the entire history of the show, other than I
guess Craig and waking up with a prostitute.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah, I mean, come.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
On, but that's like everything's building towards that sort of
This is this is shocking.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
It's so out of the blue. You just have you
see his Adidas on the floor and then Elliot's like,
oh fuck, oh I have one more note. There's a
lot of doors being broken down in this one. Yeah,
because like Finn's breaking down the locked door to his
dark room and Elliott's breaking down the door to the
bathroom just and it wasn't the bathroom wasn't locked. Elliott

(44:59):
didn't need to bring open that door.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Well, I don't think you do, like the soft turn
on that handle, you don't know, I mean someone's.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Been shot possibly.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
But no, no, no, someone has been.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Shot because because that's true, Yeah, yeah, shot.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
And they're they're assuming that he's the killer, not her.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Still well until he sees the idiot.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Until the door gets kicked open. Well, no, no, because
you're you're still thinking that, Oh, he's probably just hiding
in the bathroom or something.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, possibly, I don't know. But when she starts talking
about oklahomash.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Brushing the brushing the Nate Mooney out of her hair.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
God.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
But my other note is this is such a wild,
like tangled web of people obsessed with other people. Like
every everyone is obsessed with someone else. It's so fucking.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Weird, except for I mean, in a lot of ways,
I would say that Prescott is not really obsessed with
anybody else, and he's obsessed with himself because he's obsessed
with seeing himself. Bang these willowy wand you know, fucking.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Okay, no, he That's not really true though, because he
went to the cassel's competition, which is like in Spain.
But that's his job, he's I know. But he went
to her and pulled her out and groomed her. Well, yeah,
he's a groomer. That's that's obsessive.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, that is obsessive. That's true. You're right. Everybody, every
every character who's basically has more than five speaking lines
is obsessed with somebody else.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
I mean yeah, and you could posit that they make
they make Stabler, Benson, Finn and munch all be kind
of like they don't have a choice, but they have
to be obsessed with him also because they watch they
watch ten hours of bone sessions to get to the
bones bone session, Like they have watched so much of

(47:06):
this guy fuck that they know what his like positional
proclivities are.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
It's so true to be bored by it.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, yeah, they are completely over it by the time.
Like I guess I'd love to see like a like
a sort of progression of their evening watching watching the
fuck slashes.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
They should have done a montage there, you know. That's
like like ANTONIONI would have done a uh An Eisensteini
and montage of their faces getting getting.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
It would have been a study in the Kolashop effect.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Seriously, it would have gone from shocked to disgusted to
board is how it would have gone. I think if
I think he is as perverted as I think he is,
because I don't think he's just doing the missionary position.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
No, there's there's what's fun and watching yourself do that?

Speaker 2 (48:01):
No exactly, because you I mean just watching you just
watching your own ass.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yeah, there's there's no view of that. He'd have to
really be into his own ass, which would be super weird,
and he's fairly up his own ass, but he'd have
to be really into watching his as.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
He has one of the grossest goatee's I've ever seen,
the way it's.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Got late season, late season, Dmitri Merrick goatee.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
There, it's like it's like it's like a pencil stash
go tee. Oh really gross.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I mean that's probably what he looked like when he
was trying to sell cocaine to a uc.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Man. That's that's shocking to me because it it's just
I would think that.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Daytime would pay well year earlier.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I would think that daytime soaps would pay well enough
that you wouldn't need to like sell to people that
you don't.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Know, especially pay well for like not really having to
do that much work. Or when you are working, you're
doing a crazy amount of pages and you're doing like
one hundred pages a day probably, but you're only working
like four days a month.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah, exactly. I mean it's a steady job. It's not
going away.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
It's not because he'd been on he started in like
ninety three or four.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
All right, do I have anything else? I really don't
have that much.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Now I think we're good to start rating this.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, unless you want me to talk about, you know,
sixties mod culture anymore. But I don't really need to
do that.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
So I think let's try to get out of this
under an hour.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, let's do that. So as we all want to do.
We rate these episodes, and we rate them on a
We have a four part scale. It's one through ten
on each one of these parts, and we come up
with a composite score because we are trying to have
a ranking of every goddamn episode of Law and Order SVU,

(49:47):
which has just entered its twenty second season.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I just watched the premiere.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Wow, how was it? I did not see it.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
I was really trying to bite off a lot more
than it probably should have because it was dealing with
a lot lot of BLM stuff I don't like. I
saw a lot of people in the in the SVU
read it kind of complaining about it and saying like, oh,
this is the worst episode ever. It's not the worst
episode ever, far from that.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
It's it can't be as bad as the sunder if
it's about something, it can't be as bad as.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
You and I mean it's still better than pretty much
everything that happened in the in those two Michael shoot
Churnich in years?

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Is that the twenty nineteen twenty in those years or whatever?

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Yeah, nineteen and twenty.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
I mean nineteen is rough, at least in my experience.
So okay, so we do quality, we do, guess we
do how problematic it was and the depth and breadth
of lives ruined by the episode. Now, I want to
start with that one because until the last I would
say five seconds of the show, I would say nobody's

(50:52):
life was really ruined, you know. I mean I would
kind of say valeries life was ruined almost as much
as anybody's.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Sure, I would posit that Cassie.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Took two slugs in the back, and so that's that's
gonna take a while.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
And she was and she was also terrorized and terrorized
by someone for you know, for for a solid like
two weeks.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
And literally everybody is filming her having sex or You're.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Never gonna have a healthy, normal, healthy sex life after that. No,
but still you're gonna be peace shy always.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
But still, I mean think of the publicity, though, Josh,
because so she just did her debut and the day
after she does her debut she gets shot in the
back and is in the middle of.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Her debut though, because her debut was cut short by
the arrest, like her debut ended before it really began.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Did it stop though she didn't? You don't think, I mean,
they arrested him, but you don't think she continued playing.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I think I maybe she did. Maybe she did, but like,
there's no way that that doesn't cast a pall over
the entire the entire open all.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I'm sane. It costs a Paul, but it cast a
Paul straight into the pages of the newspapers, which then
raises your star. So I don't know. I think I
think that her profile could be huge after this. She
could be the biggest cellist in Manhattan after this one.
So obviously, obviously she had a lot of trauma. I
can't feel too too bad about fucking Terry Willard because

(52:24):
his life had been in the toilet for decades. Nineteen
ninety seven, he had served time. He'd lost his web
development job, which was a little unclear how he got that,
but he still had He seemed to have great you
know installation like security installation skills, so he could have

(52:44):
maybe found another good job after that.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
I mean I could see where the building supervisor or
the building superintendent he might get fired because.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
He clearly was not living up to his standards. We
didn't talk about the super There was a really good
super at Cassie's apartment, but.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I would say that he's not a really good super because.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
There was no fun period where he wasn't following policy
because he had multiple things going on at the same time.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
And but this this not following policy, this case of
not following policy ended up being very important.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
It did lead to a woman getting assaulted and a
you know, series of unfortunate events that led to the
evisceration of a young man in a Spanish Harlem bathroom.
That's true. Who else Prescott he's fine?

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Well, if he's not fine, fucking you.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Know, well, but do you think he's getting that video
collection back? I think he is.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
You don't think they're giving him you don't you think
they're confiscating that because that's according to Cabot. According to Cabot,
it was it was, you know, totally legal for him
to do that.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah, but that doesn't mean they need to give it
back to him. That's civil forfeiture. Yeah, that's going straight into.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
The Yeah, Vic Mackie's requisitioning that. And yeah, just like
the Armenian money train. So who else? The boyfriend? The
boyfriends honestly seemed kind of self obsessed. To me. He
cared more about his meeting than he did about pleasuring Cassie.
So I don't think he's going to be too upset.

(54:21):
So really, we've got Terry Willard and we've got Cassie. Yeah,
and Valerie. Valerie's life was somewhat was ruined. I imagine
all the other women because there were if there was
something like thirty two tapes of his sex capades.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, I mean, we don't know how many of them
are who, but yeah, there were presumably a lot of
people who he's victimized.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Well, the most recent one, who was not named, is
definitely used as evidence of his innocence, and I'm sure
she'll find out about that. I thought it was interesting
that I'm just gonna go back. Prescott said that, I
assure you, detect if a good time was had by all, Now,
wouldn't the detectives had been able to tell that from
watching the video anyways, So what do you want to

(55:13):
call this? Because I don't think it was that. I
think it was yeah. Four. I mean people's lives were ruined.
It's true, it's not negligible, but.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
We don't know how many victims there are. We know
how many tapes there are, but we don't know how
many victims of Prescott there are. Without a number on that,
I think it's hard to place higher than that.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Okay, see I kind of disagree. I think it should
go lower than that because we've given so we gave
a four to most recently the George Siegel Jonathan Tucker
episode that we just watched, which was I'm I was
gonna say the guy's scared, stiffted. That was an abomination,
and I feel like more people's lives were ruined in
that one, because that one you have like one murder,

(55:57):
but then multiple outings and you've got, you know, kind
of just like this, lots of pain and suffering. We
also had a four for the Sheery Apple be TJ
Tyne to bring up Bones Again episode Dearly Beloved.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
But there's there's potential financial ruination about paying for the wedding.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Yeah, deposits, that's true, and that's a big deal. So
I don't know, I guess this is around there. I
just kind of felt like it was a little underwhelming.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
I think Bones gets fucking shot. She goes to the
hospital twice in this episode. Shit does, but she really
has not done anything to warrant it, you know, like Prescott.
She boned Prescott, but then that was pretty much over,
and I don't think she hasn't done anything wrong in

(56:47):
boning Prescott.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Okay, okay, so you're right. I mean for Invalerie, definite
absolutely is. I mean, she is out fucked over. Her
career is fucked. I mean she now she's a music teacher.
That's all she's doing. She's never going to be in
a concert again. So how problematic was this? Josh? So
we're going to give it a four?

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, it's it's problematic, but in a in an interesting way,
because it's problematic in that we're forced to think about
about Robert Prescott.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah, about what position, what positions he is repeating for
presumably the best camera angles from his arm will camera
mm hmmm, Yeah, we think a lot about that. We're
forced to think about what kind of life Terry Willard
would have had in Oklahoma, Lahoma.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I mean, honestly, really that care looked like they could
do well in Oklahoma. You know, you set them.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Up in Enid, Enid, Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, put them in Enid. They do great out there.
So what do you think? Three? Two two? It's not
very problematic, is it?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Because I'm trying to think if we're missing anything. Really,
there's not a there's not much that's problematic about this.
I don't think. I think it's two or three probably, Okay.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
One thing that I find problematic is that Terry Willard
had that fucking groovy apartment, and yet this is what
his life had been reduced to. So I have a
problem there.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
There's also you know, leaving leaving leaving porn up in
a coffee shop.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
For this kid.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
That's the best part. And we barely talked about just
there's just a kid watching porn at coffee shop.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I mean, there's a lot there's a lot of taping
people against their will. Uh, there's a lot of there's
a lot of you.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Know, there's everybody is taping somebody against.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Their like this this this episode of SVU presupposes in
New York in which everyone is courting everyone else fucking
like that's.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Crazy, Like how many? How many people are damaged because
of this episode and they can't have sex with without
knowing for sure, Like they're having to do sweeps after this, right,
they're sweeping the entire apartment.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Seriously, the entire neighborhood. Or you could just innocently walk
into an Upper West Side internet cafe and see a
fucking eight year old kid watching porn.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Yeah, it's pretty spectacular.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Okay, but but.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I think it's Yeah, I mean it's not a two
because it's it's higher than that. There's a lot of
this what hell hath technology rot ye towards towards sexuality?
That's really fucking fun.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
It's true. I mean yeah, I mean, because like god, yeah,
technology has really fucked us up. Okay, so three, I'm
gonna give it a three.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
The guests. I thought the guests were were good. I
don't know if Emily Deschanel is great, but she does
her role just fine, and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
I mean it's really it's early for her.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, And I thought the other people though, I thought,
you know, Prescott was good. I thought was good. He
was great. Yeah, he was great. I wish he'd kind
of been on more, but he was great.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Jennifer Laura Thompson was pretty awesome as insane girlfriend land Lady.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
She really was. I mean, she really did come across
as insane from the first time she was on, and
you didn't really know exactly why until the last you know,
the last shot of her eyeball, because it really at
the end, it's just it's just her eyeball quivering as
she's talking about going to Oklahoma, and what does she say.

(01:00:49):
Her last line is is, yeah, I didn't know what
else to do. She has so many men. Terry is
all that I have. Her eyes just like quiver in there.
She was great. Yeah, she's fantastic. Do you think five? Yeah, yeah, six, six.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yeah, I would say six, because like the you know,
the the primary VIC is well, really, the two primary
vics are both sort of, you know, at this point
well known. I mean, Emily Deschanel is obviously you know,
she's the fucking title character on a twelve season show.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Yeah, however, this is pre that, but it's still sort
of like you're still seeing a weird, a weird departure
from that character.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
H that's true, And I mean I think ultimately that's
fun in some ways because I could see, like, you know,
a cell list in a in a forensic what.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Episode of Bones was she getting recorded fucking in? That's true,
that's true, but it wasn't with multiple people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
It's not like she was the freak, right, she was
the victim and I could see Bones. Bone is clever
and she would have figured it out. But yes, it's
against type, but not like radically against type.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
But it's still it's against type in a way. That's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yes, absolutely, absolutely, it was very fun. Maybe we can
go higher. I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
I think, yes, you know, like I think we're dealing
with like a pretty big name mm hmm, and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
We're dealing with other But I think that it's fleshed
out pretty well. Yeah, she's not a massive name at
this point, but I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
When when we are watching it now, I would say
that she's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
She's a big name. I mean she's instantly recognized, yes, obviously,
and she's not. I don't think she's the best guest
star in this. I think she's actually kind of one
of the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
But well, but I mean I don't know that. But
she's good fault.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Yeah, she's totally serviceable. She's not bad.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
I think the character is like, it can't be easy
to just play the object of three men's affection and
that's all you are. Yeah, you know where your entire identity,
I mean, yeah, you can play the cello, but your
entire identity is really wrapped up within the construct of
this episode, as you are the object of these men's obsessions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
We actually see her play the cello for about five seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I'm sure. I'm sure it was her actually playing the
notes too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
It absolutely wasn't, because you could tell by her where
her fingers were. But but interestingly enough, speaking of other
sexy cellis on screen, Lori Singer is a well regarded cellist,
so when they were filming shortcuts, Louri Singer was playing
the fuck out of that cello naked right on FYI, Yeah,

(01:03:44):
which I thought was pretty badass. So quality, I think
this was good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, I think this is a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
I thought it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
And it doesn't have the for starters. It doesn't really
even go to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Court no, you know, I mean Cabit's in it, yeh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
But but there's no courtroom scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
No, it's great there's no courtroom scenes. And yet I
felt like I learned more about the law in this
one than I usually do in an absolute episode because
we didn't really talk about Cabot's role, but Cabot gave
some nuggets of wisdom about privacy laws that were actually
pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Yes, absolutely, No, I think I think this episode is
it's also got Wong doing his thing and doing it well,
but not like overtaking the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
It was a really good ensemble performance from the whole cast.
I thought like, I thought every single main cast member
had a role to play and they were good in it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
And yeah, and it wasn't saddled with courtroom shit that
usually is like the ceasing to a halt of where
the episode's interesting, like the sort of evolving mystery of
what's going on keeps going until really the very end
of the episode. You're at the rare SVU episode where
oh no, there's a fucking bomb drop at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
You know, it's a real myst It's rare that it's
a mystery.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Yeah, you almost always have figured out who it is
because of stunt casting, and this one, like in New
York acting circles. Maybe Jennifer Laura Thompson was the most
famous person in the cast at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
But very specific world.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but for any of us, we don't
know who she is. And so so you don't have
those alarm bells setting off, you wouldn't have had your
You wouldn't have known who she was then either. I
wouldn't knew like who she was from your in town,
even though she was nominated for a Tony for it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Is that your in town?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Oh you're in and you are I n he town?
Nice word. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
So I'm looking at other numbers that we've given to
good episodes, and I think this is an eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Yeah. I was thinking this is about what Trade was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Yeah, Trade was. We gave Trade a ten because it
was just so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Yeah yeah, Trade is a lot more insane. But yeah,
I would say this is like an eight overall.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
We've been watching eight overalls recently because we gave Rhodium
Nights the part one of the three parter. We gave
that an eight, and I think that I think that fits.
We gave Russian Brides the last one we watched, an eight,
and I think that fits. But I think it's a
tick below Military Justice, which I think.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Yeah, I think Military Justice is a better episode.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Yeah, and it's definitely a tick below Hooked, which we
gave a nine, so we can't give it. I can't
believe we ten.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Ridicules over Ridicules nine two.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Right, We've given nines to Juvenile, We've given nine nine
point five to Ridicule, nine to Military Justice.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
And I would guess if we went back and did
Ridicule again, we'd give it a ten at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Probably if we gave a ten to Trade. I can't
believe we gave a nine to Hooked.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
But I had some I had some issues with Hooked.
I didn't think Hooked. I think Hooked was insane. But
I think as an overalls, I don't know that it's
as good as like as a ten.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Yeah, that's true, and it really wasn't. The episode wasn't
as good as some of the other things.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
The episode wasn't as good as Ridicule so much better.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
That's true. Ridicule was a better episode. And Trade was
so fun that it's hard to.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
I mean, it is still so crazy. I mean I'm
laughing thinking about Trade right now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Okay, So so with that, it gives us a composite
score of five point two five, which I mean might
seem a tick low. But at the same time, this
is the kind of episode honestly that I don't think
it's going to stick with me very long. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I think it's it was fun to watch it,
but it also just kind of feels in a weird way,
just like a oh that's what AS for you was

(01:07:51):
like for a long time where you just had these
episodes it kind of just came and went, and they're
not It's not the radical stunt casting of you know,
Dylan McKay rapists or.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Michael Michael Gross wife murderer. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Yeah, it's not just like insane.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Michael Gross is not beating his wife to death in
a park with a fucking branch.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Yeah, it's not where we're seeing a major character waking
up in a pool of a prostitute's blood right next
to him. You know, we're not seeing that. And so
it's it's it's good, but not not all times.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Well, and there's not. There's not the ruination or the
like insanely problematic shit that you know, exactly an episode
would need to set itself apart.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Though this one had was so weird in a different way.
So it's kind of interesting because I feel like you're
right about the fact that everybody in this episode was
completely fucking nuts and watching each other.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Yeah, and so it has a very maybe we need
to I think maybe we need to revise problematic a
little bit because of how much voyeurism is playing a
role in this. I think we probably need to like
pick voyeurism. I mean, I think you're really fun, but
I think we're getting sbu doing doing fucking rear window almost.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
But that's what I'm saying. If this were made by
an auteur director in the sixties or seventies, this would
have been extremely problematic. You know, this is like proto conversation,
proto blow up, and with with the right kind of
lens looking at it, it would have been so fucking
weird in cool And I don't know, maybe sp is

(01:09:27):
not the right venue for that, but I don't. I
think you're right. We could bring that to a five
if you want to talk about hour.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
I mean, I think we often everybody is yeah, because
each really fucked how insane, Like everybody in this episode
is obsessed with everybody else's sex.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Lives, okay, so yeah, and I mean we're thinking about it.
Where else do we have a five? I mean kind of,
so five we gave to a persona Donnelly is essentially destroyer. Yeah,
and that kind of makes sense because Brenda Bleavin was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Well, there's all the insane shit about with you know,
the first two acts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Yeah, the first was insane, but then also Brenda Leavin
was like lying to her husband for fucking forty year.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Yeah, that's fun so bat shit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
So it was kind of like in that vein. Okay,
we'll move to five. Does five work for you?

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Yeah? Yeah, I think I think you know a world
in which everyone are clear perverts. Yeah, it's pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Yeah, it's pretty funny. So that gives it a five
to seven. Five.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
I think that's it. I feel like it's closer to
a six than a five.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I think you're right.
I think you're right. All right, So are we ready
to roll the next episode and and put this one
in the bag. We've only been doing it for an
hour and twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
God damn it, we can't win.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
We can cut a little bit of this though, Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
For sure. Okay, so I am about two roll the dice. Yes,
and we have Prodigy, which is also directed by Stephen Schill,
who directed this week's episode. This is season three, episode thirteen,

(01:11:16):
so we're getting seven episodes earlier, or three or four
episodes earlier. Rather, so this is when an animal rights
activist is found decapitated in the park awesome. Benson and
Stabler must determine which of their two main suspects, a
sociopathic teenager and a recently paroled rapist, is responsible for

(01:11:37):
the murder that sounds like a ton of fun. Looking
at the guest stars, I can't say that any of
them look like names I recognize. Oh, Michael Pitts in
it never.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Mind, Yeah, Michael Pittson is Yeah, that's the only one
that really immediately I recognize.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Yeah, Michael pitt who drank and drugged his way off
of Boardwalk Empire and completely killed the entire arc of
that series. But yeah, I remember seeing him at some
dumb south By party that I was having to work once.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Oh, I think they get to go to a New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Oh, let's hope.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
So all right, man, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yeah, I mean this should be I think I think
this should be a fun one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
I mean, we've got a fucking animal rights activist decapitated
in the park. That's what we're going to open on.
So that's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Yeah. I can just tell that just from where this
starts that it's gonna it's gonna be pretty amazing cool.
But yeah, let's do this next time. So I'll see
you next week, Josh. Until then, keep on munching our bensons, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah, munch all of our bensons please. Oh and also
rate review.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
You know all that you know, Uh, send us that
on Twitter so I can send you a koozy if
you're into koozies.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
If you're you know, you should be. You should be
into preserving the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Cool of your beer absolutely, or the warm of your hand,
you know, depending on what the temperature outside is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
Let's let's preserve those chills, man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Yeah. Absolutely, guys, take care later. M m M.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
I was going to take him home to Oklahoma so
we could make a new life, but Terry wouldn't leave
that poor Yeah.

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