41 - When You Can Say Wang, You're Going To Say Wang, Right? (S10E12 Hothouse) - Munch My Benson: A Law & Order: SVU Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know her roommate, Jennifer.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Yeah, Elsa hated that little bitch.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Mommy could buy her admission to more Wood, but she
couldn't buy Elsa's brains.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
She was jealous of Elsa pathologically.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Jennifer kept begging els At a tank one exam, just once,
so that Jennifer could be number one.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
And Elsa wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
There was World War Three in their room.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Elsa asked for a new roommate, and when the Nazi
head mistress said no, Elsa gave Jennifer the silent treatment.
And how did Jennifer react.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Did you ever see a nerd spaz out? It's ugly

(00:56):
in New York City, sexually based offenses or considered especially heinous.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
These are their stories.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Hey guys, welcome to munchminke Benson. My name is Adam.
I am in a very sunny, but cold and breezy Galveston.
Joining me on the line is Josh, who's appears to
be recording in a cave somewhere in the far North.
How's it going up there, man?

Speaker 1 (01:22):
We got some snow last night.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
It was supposed to be like six to eight inches,
but it looks like most of the most of the
snowfall missed the cities, so that's cool. Yeah. I'm gonna
go up and go up and see the family in
Saint Cloud tomorrow. So I'm gonna do that, but that'll
just be a day trip.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, it's not that far. Do you remember how to
drive in snow? It's been a minute, hasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
It's it's been a really long time.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I mean like I'm sort of the at this point
because I'm not used to it. I'm just going to
be driving slow. Yeah, which is you know, it's hard
to overload or hard to override my predilection for not
driving slow.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah. But let's see, you've been up to anything, Josh.
I smoked a cigar last night, of all things, and
it kind of has me feeling like shit. I haven't
smoked in anything in a very long time, and I've
forgot how it kind of can make you feel like
shit the next day.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah. No, I haven't been up to a whole lot.
Watched the newest Adam mcgoyan and Ken Loach movies that
are on Criterion. Okay, yep, so they were fine, Yeah,
not spectacular, just fine, sir.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Should we jump into this? We have kind of a
a while. I guess it's wild. I don't know. I
don't know what to think about this episode, honestly, So
maybe we should just get to it and then we
can start talking about it, because I am of the
impression that the first twelve minutes of it were a
great episode, and then the last twelve minutes didn't even
need to be in it, And so I'm a little

(03:05):
it's kind of all over the place about Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, it's definitely an episode that does not let you
I got a decline a FaceTime call. It's definitely an
episode that does not feel like it's of one show,
Like it is not a single single vision for a

(03:28):
for an hour of television.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, that's for sure. So it's called Hothouse. It is
season ten, episode twelve, I believe, And I'll just fire
up the recap. An elderly tai Chi Chwan student spot's
a body floating in the Hudson River. It belongs to
a young girl sporting a number of healed scars, cigarette burns,

(03:51):
and a Russian Orthodox cross. So obviously, the detectives from
SVU assume she must have been a trafficked sex worker
using some fairly futuristic sounding bullshit. Warner is able to
ascertain that the girl was originally from Ukraine. A tip
from a sec worker's advocate leaves them to a former
prostitute working in a laundry, who in turn fingers her

(04:12):
ex pimp. For a few brief moments, we get a
really fun storyline as Benson goes undercover as a Chicago
and madam looking to service her jet setting clients with
some all two fresh faces. Sadly, the pimp knows the
victim and she's not a traffic sex worker. No, she's
a child prodigy who is attending the more Woods School.

(04:34):
The victim was one Elsa Lichkoff, a fourteen year old
brainiac who's already been accepted at MIT, who tortures a
brilliant child and then dumps her corpse in the Hustan.
Elsa's roommate, Jennifer Banks, tells the detectives that Elsa was
so smart she didn't even need to study, that she'd
sneak out all the time, dulled up in illicit slutwear,

(04:55):
and that she'd never spoken about the burns and scars
that were covering her body. Benson and Stabler head over
to Queen's to talk to Elsa's parents. The mother is
understandably weepy and sad, but the father is very intense,
pacing around chainsmoking SIGs as he tells the detectives how
Elsa was a child prodigy just like him. Dad's career

(05:17):
as an aerospace engineer had crashed and burned, though, and
Elsa's sister Katrina arrives at the station to describe his
brutal pedagogical techniques, including beatings, exposure to cold, and forcing
his daughters to kneel on rice grains for hours at
a time. SVU thinks they have a slam dunk case
against mister Joseph Lychcock. Oh shit, Hold on a second,

(05:40):
I got a weird call. This is Jim Rockford at
the tone.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Leave your name and message.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I'll get back to you, Jimmy, and is angel letter.
I get the new pad right over by the Hollywood
Freeway and the friends are coming by your record player.
Seems like I don't have to work this week it
snow day. Well yeah, our vote got condemned by the
Fire Protection Inspection Service, so we have to get our

(06:11):
fire protections equipment replaced.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
That's fun.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, all right, So where was I? I? Yeah, I
know where we are. SVU thinks they have a slam
dunk case against mister Lichkoff after he attempts to beat
himself to death with an interrogation room wall, but Finn
discovers he couldn't have possibly been the killer, as he'd
been losing money in Atlantic City at the time of

(06:37):
Elsa's death. The investigation then turns back to Morewood, which
leads them eventually to Danny Burke, a former Morewood student
who dropped out and now lives the sweet life playing
the theremin in a dump in Newark. Danny has a
lot of pent up issues regarding his time at Morewood,
but he is able to help the investigation considerably. The roommate,

(06:59):
Jennifer Banks, had been lying the leather and lace had
belonged to her, and she was deeply jealous of Elsa's
intellectual gifts. Jennifer's chess ambitions have to be put on hold.
God damn it. What did I fucking write this for? Okay?

Speaker 1 (07:15):
So, okay, I haven't had a chance to edit mine
for the next one, so I'm worried.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
So I wrote this at like seven o'clock in the
Morning Today. Yeah, so Jennifer's chess ambitions have to be
put on hold after she admits to following Elsa to
the fairy, where an argument with Elsa turned violent. Jennifer
stabbed Elsa with a pen before beating her head against
the fairies, railing and dumping her corpse into the Hudson River.

(07:45):
For some reason, there are still twelve minutes left in
this episode. They are filled with an unnecessary inter jurisdictional
squabble between the soft hearted SBU team, who is trying
to get Jennifer off or at least into some sort
of you know, live in psychiatric facility, and a New

(08:05):
Jersey Ada who's out for rich girl blood. When Benson
discovers that Jennifer would stay up for days on end
hopped up on pro vigil, the Jersey Ada grants Jennifer
and insanity plea, and though she walks, we are left
with a kids in New Jersey are ungodly monsters, dick Wolf.

(08:28):
There's kind of a lot going on, because it really
feels like three completely different episodes.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Oh for sure, Jackie had a Jackie actually had a
dick Wolf. Oh nice, because when she was watching she
immediately uttered fuck you bitch for bringing that up at
the end, I know, because you know, she trots out,
she trots out this like fifteen year old who raped
and murdered his like six year old or sister or whatever.

(08:56):
But like that's that has no it's such a false equivalence.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Absolutely, just because one kid is a terrible monster and
doesn't mean that the other kid wasn't hopped up on
a drug that kept her up for like weeks at
a time.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Right, And it's such nonsense and.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Led to psychosis, which you know we're talking about Provigil.
I did a small dive, not a big dive, into
the world of provigial abuse. I went to the aeroid
dot org, which is kind of my second favorite deep
drug dive website, and that has a few kind of

(09:36):
what do they call them, experience faults, that's what they
call them, And apparently, yeah, Provigil is some pretty weird shit.
So one person said it was a psychoactive roller coaster.
Another said I made many errors in my usage and
let's see, another said destroyed my life. So you can
kind of get a sense of provigial not not the

(10:00):
same as adderall, that's for sure, and definitely has a
chance for abuse. Now, I suppose we should start with
the IMDb pages and then we can get into some
of the crazier shit that I got into on this one.
But I think that we need to start with George
to Sudis, because for me, that's the father Joseph Lichcock.

(10:22):
For me, he was in some ways the most recognizable
character in this I swear to god, I've seen this
guy in a million different things, and you know when
I look, I mean I have. But he's always played
small roles.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
He's basically always the like Eastern European mobster or like
Eastern European political operative.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
When they're not being played by Misha Kuznetsov, who is
also in this episode.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
But to suit us has very little biographical data online
and Dugan was able to hound some out. But I
have very difficult time. I had to find like I
was going on like ancestry websites looking up surnamed a No.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
I went to his agency page, and you know, he
can ride the horse and do shit. He trained as
an actor at the Academy of Film and Drama in Sophia, Bulgaria.
Yea good, he can speak. Fuck, I don't have the
page up anymore. But I know he can speak Bulgarian, Greek, Macedonian, to.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Be fair of Macedonian is very close to Bulgarian, as
I understand it.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, and there's there were five languages, not counting English
that he could speak. He also says that he can
do a Swedish accent, a German accent, English like English
with a Swedish accent. I was like, okay, are your
accents just all the same though? And we're dumb, but
I can't tell the difference between a Swedish Swedish person

(11:46):
speaking English and a German person speaking English.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
I would say that in this episode, I heard about
five different stabs at a Ukrainian accent, and his was
clearly different from some of the other ones. So I
don't know. I don't know which to believe. Having worked
with a fair number of Ukrainians here in Galveston, I
don't think any of them were quite spot on.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
This was that the meat packing plant.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
No, I did not work at a meat packing plant,
but there was a time, and I want to say
it's kind of you know, it's before the Trump presidency,
but there used to be this thing where, like Galveston
was swimming in Ukrainian immigrants who would work at the restaurants.
There's still a couple left. But like the Vietnamese place
that we go to, everybody that worked there was Ukrainian.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I mean, when you go to a Vietnamese place, what
you want is an entirely Vietnamese or entirely Ukrainian staff.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
And I think it was because, you know, so Galveston
has as it's not like a one horse town. But
let's say Tilman for Tita owns a lot of it.
And I want to say that Tillman, and this is
kind of speculation.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Does he have ties to Lawrence Fortita?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Who's is Lawrence Fertita one of the UFC owners. Yeah,
they're brothers. So Tilman for Tita, he owns the Houston Rockets.
His he's like the son or grandson of the lieutenant
of the Masio brothers, so kind of like they're you know, Tom,
Why can I never remember Tom's last name? But there

(13:20):
Robert Duvall basically from the Godfather. The Macio brothers were
the Galveston kind of there weren't so much mafia as
they were like illicit bar owners, slash kid owners exactly,
and somehow ended up with way more money in the end,
in the long run, than they ever ended up with.
They were, in turn, kind of lieutenants of the New

(13:42):
Orleans mafia that might have had a hand in assassinating
a president allegedly anyways, So from my understanding that like
Trump would do this too, where you hire Eastern Europeans
to work in your hotels because it seems classier and
because you know they're white and they're willing to work

(14:03):
for dogship wages, just like you know, just like people
from Latin America or Africa or wherever else that you're
getting your semi documented workers from. Some of them are
more legal than other temp work visas exactly, but.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
You can basically, you know, garnish their wages for all
of all of the living expenses that you're you know,
overcharging them for exactly.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
So there was a lot of blue and Yellow pride
here in Galveston back when the fucking Ukraine crimea you know,
nonsense kicked off a few years back. But that was
kind of a digression, I suppose. I guess let's get
back to IMDb.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, okay, so really, first off, who we should really
be hitting is Sarah Hyland Jennifer Banks. This is her
second appearance on SVU. Her first appearance was in the
season three premiere Repression, in which he played the youngest
daughter in a family who surely Knight victimizes as a
therapist who ends up in planning false memories of sexual

(15:09):
abuse and children. In this episode, she is eighteen in
real life, okay, and she's about to get cast as
Sarah Dunfie for an eleven year run on Modern Family.
She had just finished a run as a recurring character
on the short lived Candice Bushnell adapted series for NBC

(15:30):
Lipstick Jungle, where she played Brooks Shields's daughter. More recently,
she played Lisa Houseman in the made for ABC remake
of Dirty Dancing. I totally forgot that was good, And
she executive produced and starred in the Netflix film XO
and the Wedding Year, which came out in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I believe her first credit was as Howard Stern's daughter
in Private Parts, which I think is that's pretty good
for it.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
So then moving down the line, we've got Aya Cash.
She's obviously the next most recognizable.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
She's she's the sister Katrina.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yes, yeah, she's playing Katrina Lytchkoff. She got her BFA
from the Guthrie program at the University of Minnesota, which
is the same school I went to. Uh, there's probably
there's a little overlap there, but she's a couple of
years younger than I am. And then the she was

(16:30):
most people would know her as Stormfront and the Boys. Yes,
cool people would know her as Gretchen from You're the Worst.
She was also Joan Simon in Fossy Verdon, which is
funny Becauseiet Juliette Brett was also in Fossy Vernon and
Juliette Brett is playing Elsalychkoff. Yeah. She was also back

(16:54):
to Aya Cash. She was the Occupy Wall Street rep
who gets roasted on air in the newsroom. And she
was a Sherry in the Joe Swanberg like Chicagoge Chicago
Hipster anthology show on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Easy Nice.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah. So then Juliet Brett playing Elsalychkoff. She she when
she was in Fosse Verdin. She was playing Nicole Fosse
from Nicole from Ages twelve to seventeen and she was
twenty five when she was cast in that part. She
was also in four episodes of Red Oaks as Tabitha,

(17:31):
which I watched the show but I do not remember.
And then she showed up in season ten for an
episode of The Walking Dead. It's a weird standalone episode
that serves as an origin story for Alpha and Beta
feature featuring virtually none of the main cast. I stopped
watching The Walking Dead during season two, so I have
no firm of reference for what any of that fucking means.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, to me, the high point of the series was
that just absolutely bizarre Cholo episode I guess I would
call it, and I was like, what is this?

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, it's also like that's in the middle of a
six episode season and they burned through. They burned through
a bunch of plot that should that they should have
stretched out longer. Yeah, presumably for budgetary reasons, but they
burned through a lot of plot and then like have
a have a fucking complete nonsense like cholo episode and
you're like, what the fuck are they doing?

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yep, Yeah, I'm not a fan. I don't know how
it's been on. Because I did, I was like, this
is dog shit.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
I don't know how. It was like the highest rated
show on TV for a long time.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
On Table at least country.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, so Eric Gores is playing Brian m h. He
has cerebral palsy in real life. Okay, he studied at
the Strasbourg Institute.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
He's I didn't mention them. There was a series of
these young, these smart guys that just spend all their
time doing experiments at the Yeah, he's a chemistry Yeah,
he's the chemistry nerd.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah so all right, I don't know how I stumbled
across this, but he's he's the son of billionaire private
equity vulture Alec Gores, who made his fortune un leveraged
buyouts with the Goers Group and owns the thirteenth largest
home in the La Metro area. He's owned it since

(19:24):
nineteen ninety eight, when he purchased it for a mere
three point zero five million dollars, which is less like
ten percent. But it's less than ten percent of its
present value. You can actually go, fuck, I close the tab,
but I think it's forty nine Beverly Circle, Beverly Park,
forty nine Beverly Park, and you can do a virtual

(19:46):
tour of the It's absurd. Back to Eric, the billionaire's kid.
He's a he obviously you know, doesn't have a lot
of acting credits. As you might expect. He's been EP
on a few features, including ten Years, which was like
a you know, ten year high school reunion movie with

(20:09):
like Oscar Isaac and Jenna Dooin and Chanting Tatum. And
then he was also the EP of Johnny Frank Garrett's
Last Word, which featured Mike Doyle. Yeah. The last actor
I have a note on is Will Rogers, who's playing
Danny Burke. He had a bit part in Hearts Beat Loud,
which was fucking great. I've seen that movie like six times,

(20:31):
which is absurd because it's like two years old. But yeah,
the Nick Offerman and his daughter have a band movie. Yeah,
totally charming. And then he's also in the Woody Allen
joint A Rainy Day in New York that starred Timothy
Shallomey and el Fanning. And that's mostly noteworthy because munch

(20:53):
My Benson, svu Alam's, Griffin Newman and Annelie Ashford were
in it, and he's he's credited to A Lee Ashford,
So I suspect, though I've not seen the movie, that
they're probably in a relationship in it.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah. I completely missed the release of that film. I
don't remember it at all.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Uh, it's not hard to miss the release of that film,
because I'm pretty sure that is the first Woody Allen
movie to come out post Me Too Nice.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Yeah, and uh yeah, he's sort of he's kind of kind.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Of that that came and went with a whimper.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, I believe, taking a step back, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I also, yeah, deserved one.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah, absolutely what agree. Now, finally, there's Misha Kuznetsov, who
is the Russian pimp. I so he is from Omsk
in Siberia, and he's been Jesus. Yeah, he studied acting.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
There and in Siberia, well.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
In Russia, in you know, in Russia, and then emigrated
to the US. And I feel bad for him because
he always plays like a Russian stereotype. And I actually
think he's good. I thought he was good. I thought
he's one of the highlights of this episode from an
acting perspective.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Oh for sure, for sure, he's like really that that
scene where he's in interrogation he does the cough up,
cough up, and even the scene in the scene in
the Little Odessa Cafe, which is horribly named. Yes, ye,
but yeah, he's really fun.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
I mean, he's probably most well known for the twenty
fifth Hour, at least that's for me. That's how I
know him, the Spike Lee joint.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Who is he? In Man?

Speaker 3 (22:31):
He was a basically Russian mob guy who knew ed Norton. Somehow,
I don't. I haven't seen it in a minute, so
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I haven't seen that since the theater.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, I've seen it since the theaters. I think we
actually own it, weirdly.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Enough, but non VHS probably No, I think we have
that sounds like an ad but he was in homeland.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
He was like a Russian general in homeland. He was
in Man from Uncle the twenty fifteen to one, and
he was also.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I cannot believe I've seen that you have?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Oh, I have, and I wish I had not. Doesn't
is an Armie Hammer, No, I probably celebrity Armie Hammery
have you been following all the Army Hammer shows? I've
been tweeting about it from munch of more Benson how
how I'm really looking forward to the Army Hammer Cannibal
episode of SV that that is bound to happen, And

(23:21):
I'm trying to get Sean. I'm trying to get Sean
McGrath cast out as Army Hammer anyway.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
But he was also in a show called six six
six Park Avenue, which I have not watched at all.
That that looks kind of good and I don't know
what his role was in it.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
I think it was on ABC, wasn't it. It was like,
it's a weird network show that should not have been
an Atworkah, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Look like a network show. I have no knowledge of it.
But he might not be playing a Russian stereotype.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Also feels like Terry O'Quinn might have been in that.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
But yeah, so that's us speculating on a show that
neither one of us have watched. Oh no, there is
some pretty interesting New York shit and I don't know
if I should get to it now or wait a
little bit, because.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Let's let's hold off a little bit and get into
the episode.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Well, it dovetails nicely with the cold open, so most
of my notes are about the cold open. So first off,
we start off with these people doing tai chi, and
we'll start with so that where they are first, So
where they are is the West Harlem Peers. You can
tell that based on the on the just the geography

(24:33):
of the stuff that's around them. I was able to
find it pretty quickly because you can clearly see the
George Washington Bridge in the background. And then just a
little bit of like going forward, do you come to
this area where you know it's like a park area
with these kind of angular piers sticking out into the water,
and that's clearly where they were.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
My immediate question is, since since we know they get
into tie tables, because it turns into season two McNulty yes,
Warner's basically McNeil from season two of The Wire, Yes,
making making tide tables put a body on someone else's
fucking books.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
This is where I went, Oh, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
So if that is where you're saying it is, that
is nowhere near where the Staten Island Ferry or no,
so there'm Island Ferry.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
There's a number of fairies that go from Manhattan to Jersey. Now, okay, okay,
there's one that would work if they went to Edgewater,
which is directly across essentially from the whatever the West
Harlem Piers. That might work given the way the tides work. Now,
I did some research on this. I deal with tides

(25:42):
all the time. In currents, and so I actually kind
of understand how they work, and I know how to
find tie current charts. So current charts matter more than
tide charts in this case. And so the Hudson River
is an estuary. What that means is that it is
basically the mouth of a river that is still affected
by tidal flows. Now, the thing about that, though, is

(26:04):
that there is still the incoming tide, so the flood
tide is less strong in an estuary than the ebb tide,
the outgoing tide. That makes sense if you think about it,
because there's water flowing out of the river. But still,
so it's hard to find historic current charts. I'm sure
I could find them if I actually called somebody at Noah,

(26:25):
but I didn't go that far. So I'm just essentially
using a similar date from this year. So I'm looking
at the actually December fourteenth, twenty twenty one, and they're
not going to change that much except for the time
of them. But essentially you've got about five hours between slacks.

(26:45):
So currents go they flood. It means they come in
inbound for a while until eventually it slacks where it's
not moving at all, and then it ebbs and the
time between.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I'm assuming that's also related to like high and low tide.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
It is, but it's more complicated than you think it's
gonna be. But essentially, yeah, they are now there, but
they're not. They don't time exactly with that, but the
time between slacks is about five hours in the Hudson River,
and I was able to find it pretty close actually
at the Statue of Liberty. That's the closest current station

(27:20):
I could find. But it's you know, it's the same
body water. It's a few it's sure, I don't know.
I think it's maybe fifteen miles from the Statue of
Liberty to where we're talking about. So in fact, there'll
probably be a stronger EBB where we're talking about than
where we are now. The difference so that the flood
tide reaches a maximum of about one point five knots

(27:43):
while the ebb tide reaches a maximum of about two
point three knots, So you see in the difference in
velocity there we are talking about a distance from where
they state that the body went into the water, which
is off of Hoboken of at least five and a
half miles, So I found where the ferry terminals are
in Hoboken. There's two in Hoboken, and I'm going with

(28:05):
the one that's more upstream to give them a little
bit more credit. So five and a half miles in
five hours at basically like half a knot, it's not possible.
And in fact, she would be making more outbound progress
than she would be making inbound progress. So if they
had had her living, had what's his name Burke living

(28:28):
in Elmhurst, not Elmhurst, Edgewater, sorry, in Edgewater, it would
have made sense because that is slightly upriver from the
Harlem Peers, and so that's she would have kind of
gone around in circles until she eventually wound up on
the shore there. But she's not going upstream six miles
against an you know, regular EBB tides. So that's my

(28:51):
polemic there. There's no way it could have happened. I
call Shenanigans on the SVU tide chart reader.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
I mean, they clearly need a better tie expert on staff.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Also, so I have another if.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
You're listening, if you're listening, Warren Light. So this is
not Adam's gonna be a New Yorker for season twenty four.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
This is not nearly my last note on the Cold Open.
This is just the most detail that I went into.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I have multiple I have three notes in the Cold Open.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
So as somebody who has sadly found a floater being
a dead body in the water from a job that
I've worked at before, that's not how bodies float in
the water. They So we see Elsa's body supposedly like floating,
hovering on the top of the water with maybe an

(29:41):
inch of her body below the water line. That's not
how it works. It looks kind of like a volleyball
covered in hair.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
From my experience, there's also like, really the chest is
the only thing, or the chest because of all the
gas that's built up, is kind of the only thing
that's buoying.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I think that might matter on like timing of it.
I know the guy that I found was not in
the water very long and his head was the only
thing up. But I think something. I think it might
change as time goes on. It's pretty gnarly to think about,
but yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
We have we both actually kind of have an odd
amount of body in the water experience. I've got quite
a few notes about this open. Just Okay, So the
tai chi instructor says, let your chief flow. Does anybody
remember the next form, old lady says body and water.

(30:36):
Tai Chi instructor is like, no, snake creeps down, and
the old Lady's like, no, I mean, there's a body
in the water, and so like it kind of it
does play funny at first, past it's funny, But why
the fuck does she say body and water in the
first place instead of there's a body in the water.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Because like she's keeping the racism going.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Oh yeah, she's racist, right. I'm assume she believes that
the tai chi instructor speaks broken English despite no evidence
to support that fact, and must trip her language down
to the studs when talking to an Asian American at
all times.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, I mean, if you're an elderly white lady doing taichi,
you have to speak chingless to these people or they
won't understand.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, for sure, and so like, but I mean we've
both seen bodies in the water. Like, no one says
body and water. That is not what you would not
ever say body and water. So she has to be raised.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
It's a throwaway laugh line, but yes, clearly racist. Also,
I would say dog shit instructor because they didn't go
to snake creeps down as their next form. I did
a fair amount of research into the tai chi forms,
and it appeared as if they were doing the standard
twenty four form taichi. Now there's a few different Now I.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Assume that, having seen Roadhouse, that I'm a taichi expert
essential like I've seen.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
It essentially as you should. You should be watching it
right now, listeners, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Oh yeah, like after you finished the podcast. If you
have not seen Roadhouse, you need to see.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
So for those who are not aware, tight chee is
it's it's a martial art but also an exercise, and
it is very is kind of regimented. You go through
these forms, and the whole idea this kind of meditation
is that you're trying to perfect your execution of these
forms and the way you transition between them. Now, it
appeared to me as a non tai chi expert by

(32:34):
any means, I've been to one class for tai chiese,
so I kind of understood somewhat the like lingo of
forms and then I dropped out. But whatever, But it
appeared to me, looking through evidence on online, that they
were transitioning from white crane spreads its wings to brushnee push,

(32:55):
so not nearly snakes creep creeps down, which is a
very distinctive form, which looks almost like a squat, but
with one leg out straight where you kind of have
your exactly feel on the ground, toe pointed up and
you have your hands kind of above your head, almost
like you're doing the c from YMCA, but straight up

(33:16):
is how I describe it. It's a very It's like
one of the things you think about with tai chi. Besides,
you know, like elderly Asian people in the park at dawn, right,
you know.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Uh, okay, so why why the fuck was she found?
Why was Elsa found only wearing her underwear?

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Because it's sbu and she's fourteen years old, That's why.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
But you're just like, okay, Like I didn't think anything
of it when I was watching it the first time,
but when I was watching a second time, I'm like, wait,
she's only wearing her underwear. There was no sexual assault,
there was no, no nothing.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
But it's a big time, I said, thanks, as I guess.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
We're meant to believe that this freak tide tore her
clothes off but not.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Her under Yeah, absolutely, there's like a fucking tsunami that
dragged her up there, left her shirt on but pulled
off her pants or you know whatever she was wearing.
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Okay, so after all that, they fucking gets, they get
some information and end up going to Grace. They get
they go to Warner and yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
So they go to Warner the experts, So you could
totally tell that Warner like like somebody read there was
like a news story about carbon dating crystalline proteins in
the eye in two thousand and eight, and sure there
were Danish researchers confirm this technique in two thousand in
January two thousand and eight, so it's totally there's like
a news piece about it, and one of the showwriters

(34:42):
just wrote it down.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah channels. Yeah. So so then then after this, we're
sent off to Grace Metcalf and I'm just like, holy shit.
This is such an exposition though, Like it's from from
the three point thirty three mark to the four forty
three month a solid minute ten where she is doing

(35:04):
the thankless job of just unpacking the sex trafficking trade
because we need to have live undercover. By minute six,
they could have stretched out minute six, like how good
she is?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
How good would have Live Undercover as a Madam episode? Ben,
you know, like stretching.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
When I read the capsule for this episode, I was like, Oh,
this is gonna be fucking awesome.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
And then then like when it's minute six and she's undercover,
I was like, holy shit, they are not wasting time.
They really weren't wasting time. But they could have. They
could have wasted a lot more time.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
They could have built up to that a lot, and
they really didn't.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, they I mean seriously, Finn and Live walk in
as you sees to Little o'des a cafe at the
six minute mark. I will say they look fantastic.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
They do. I mean Finn I totally bought him as
as some muscle in that uh oh he was bringing
it live. I mean she looked great. I would have.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
She looked fantastic.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I should have done a word count on the number
of times they said girls, from from when they go
to the to the whatever the shelter to Alik giving
up you know, his knowledge that it's lich cough.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Now.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Actually, I'm going back because we missed somebody in the
IMDb page Rundown and that is so the the woman
who plays like the the former sex worker who kind
of got out and is working at the laundromat. Yeah, Veronica.
She's played by Gabriella Mordesia, who is She's Romanian now

(36:40):
she and her twin sister are a like, are the
biggest Romanian American pop group in the world.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
I guess I was actually gonna guess that they were poppy.
You said Romanian. I was like, oh, she's a pop star.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
They're called Indigo. They're like a They're like a combination,
like Broadway pop song, all kinds of shit they've been but.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
They only do Indigo girls.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
I wish, no, no, that's not it. They performed in
two Eurovision Song Contests, and one of their songs, La
La La, was used by Kanye West and Jay Z
as a sample in their collab album Watched the Throne
from twenty eleven. I've got that one, you do? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

(37:27):
absolutely So they are like big time Romanian pop stars.
And here she is reduced to putting on blue and
yellow face for SVU episode.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I mean, I guess, for your sake, at least you
can drop in La La La.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah. Well, yeah, I have to put in an Indigo track, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Sure, and not closer to find.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Oh my god, fucking nightmares.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah yeah, yes, so if we're if we're being honest,
the Little Odesa Cafe does not look like it should
be called.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Little There's nothing Russian about it. Besides, he's drinking Russian
standard vodka, which which that Okay, somebody took the time
to figure out, you know, what's a Russian vodka that's
you know, not stolely. Uh?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Does it also seem weird that it's in Ukrainian Village
and not Brighton Beach if you're gonna call it little
Little Odessa Cafe, like Little Odessa's Brighton Beach.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Little Odessa is Brighton Beach. That's what they call it. Now,
you could have called it like I don't know, like
I don't know what's I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
A Ukrainian valid not that Ukrainian village isn't obviously a
place where this could be, but you wouldn't call it that, right,
like because just it's geographically confused.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
It is confusing because people say, wait, little Odessa, that's
in that's in fucking Brooklyn, And.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Like we already went over all of this little Odessa
shit back in Russian Brides, which we did in episode
thirty six, now very long.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
What I think is funny is it took them in
Russian Brides a long time to make the jump to
sex workers. When they found that woman's body in this one,
even though she wasn't a sex worker, that's immediate where
they go.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
I mean, to be fair, she had been tortured. To
be fair, she had been tortured.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
That's true. Yeah, Now, I like a lot, loved I
loved everything with Live as the undercover Madam. It was
so good, Like they go, it's fantastic they go.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
They don't always they do not always stick the landing
on this uc shit. I really stick the landing on this.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I mean, she's like eating it up. She's like having fun.
There's this back and forth with Alec. That's the Mishaku's
nets of character, and it's a lot of fun. And
they go in like they're like, she's like judging his girls. Now,
I gotta say that makeup kind of drop the ball
on the meth girl because it was a little ham handed.

(39:43):
How gross they made her teeth. It was kind of
a little far.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I also feel like I know, I said that they
really stuck the landing. There was one thing that sort
of stuck out when she when lives like one of
your girls was in town. I met her, very impressive.
She told me to phone you.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
It really feels like like if I were the sex
trafficker Alec, that would not pass the smell test for me.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
See, I thought to me, they kind of like held
frame on him, and I thought that he that like
he knew that somebody was betraying him. I thought that
that's what they were trying to say there, and that
could have you know, that could have been a fun,
a fun path to follow him hunting down Veronica and
you know, slaying her because he knew that it was
her or something like that for sure. But they didn't

(40:26):
know that.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Okay, So this episode's moving so fast that by eight,
by the eight ten mark of you know runtime on Hoop. Yeah, uh,
by the eight ten mark, Live has already inspected Ukrainian
girls and they've busted a sex traffic.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
And then like, I like within three minutes, there's a
great scene in interrogation with Alec and then.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Coughing up nothing. Yeah, and then Gray like literally coughing
up nothing.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
She just ends. It ends the fun.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
You make it seem so tragic. Their lives aren't terrible.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
So what do you call daily beatings, rape, exposure to HIV?
The good life?

Speaker 2 (41:08):
You think they better off on the U green wracking
the livers and grain, alcohol, trading sex for drugs. I
give them nice clothes, decent food, a place to stay. Well,
you gave her a lovely death. She didn't deserve that
like that? Oh that's sweet. Was she wanted these special girls?
She wasn't one of mine. But they do know her.

(41:28):
So who was she? We need an arrangement first, No, nothing,
I don't know if you've noticed, but your balls and
advice right now, I don't do American time. Uh, they're

(41:50):
both lady, save the grin, ass wipe.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
But at least it was with a laughing yeah, save
the grin as yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Which is funny because the peak behind the curtain. We're
taping two episodes today, so we've watched, we've prepared the
next one, which we drew offline, and they he uh
calls someone an ass wipe in the next episode two,
So there was a lot of ass wiping.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
There are actually a lot of funny correlations between these
two I don't want to get too much into it,
but yeah, Gray, like, man, it's just it's just rough
because because nets Of is so good in that scene
and she walks in and it's just like, oh, I
don't belong here. Basically, Mikayla McMahon just looks.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
She's like, I can't choose se I don't know what
to do here. So uh, you know, he he tells
everybody that that she's a prodigy. After he gets fucking
after I mean, he completely plays.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
The yeah, like he gets he gets off scott free
for all of his crimes.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Well now Scott free. He's just they they know that
they're only going to like slow them down for a
little bit because he's getting shipped off, shipped off to Ukraine. Yeah,
he's served time there, but they know he's gonna.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Be He's already he like owns the prison in Ukraine probably,
you know, or at least that's the implication.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
He's at least connected enough to have a very cushy
life and probably get out, you know, very quickly.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
So here is our first major plot shift, because now.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Holy shit, isn't a major plot twist or shift shift?
Like you're just like, wait, what you get whiplashing. You go,
you go from sex trafficking Ukrainian girls to like the
cushiest private school imaginable, yeah, or not cushy, but like
the most the most like prestigious prep school you can find.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Like every single one of these kids has their own
laboratory room to do their research, every single one of them,
And all they.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Do is how many how many fucking.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Like each one has their own research room besides.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Jennifer pattents and patents.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Besides Jennifer, of course, who is forced to live in
the shadows of her nemesis.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
She got her prize for her research in dense triangle
free graph conjecture. I tried reading up on triangle free
graphs and did not understand anything I read. It's been
like I used to be okay at math, you know,
Like I was on a team that went to state

(44:37):
for for math team. The only year I did it
was my senior year, and yeah we went to state
and I was like our highest score. But I have
no idea what the fuck they're talking about, Josh.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
You have to work at being a high class mathlete
in this day and age, you know, oh for sure,
not just talent alone. That's going to take you there.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
No, no, no no, And I haven't done math past
like what I have to do for fantasy baseball. I
haven't done math in twenty years, So I okay, it's
I love that both the headmaster and Jennifer claimed that
els and Jennifer were best friends. And it's just like
heads up ass as much, especially the head master, like

(45:16):
you are not plugged in?

Speaker 3 (45:18):
What a fucking bit?

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, so you know they basically they point. The headmaster
points to Jennifer, who she thinks is Else's best friend.
They go into the room they're interviewing Jennifer about Elsa,
and you know, she says that she was, you know,
sneaking out and slutty the duffel bag.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah. Is it's weird, right, It's not.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
As disturbing as a lot of the other sexualization of
minors that they do. But I mean, we are meant
to see that airy sheer thong, like yeah, thong that's
like fish that's like tight tight wound fish net. Essentially,

(46:10):
we're meant to see that and think that a fifteen
year olds or year olds, fourteen year olds.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
And like the way Benson is like, you know, kind
of like gripping it between her fingers and feeling the fabric.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
It's like, I think we're meant to think that that
Benson's wearing gross.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yeah, it's totally.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Which I'm like, I'm okay with Benson wearing that, Like
she's an adult and she can make her own.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Dis Yeah, that's fine. But Benson like like, I don't know,
kind of like.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I would totally watch an episode if she were wearing
that too, but.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
But kind of like feeling the fabric of a fourteen
year old's panties that she's already worn is kind of
gross and weird.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, and that she keeps in a douthel way, So
you're like, okay, I mean, Jim Jim bags snatches is
a thing, like you're you presume that that's not getting
cleaned routinely anyway.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
Especially if she's going to get kicked out of school
for owning it.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. So when she goes to
get the Duffel bag, I don't know if you got
a load of what was on the bookshelf, but I
did know I couldn't make all of the books out
on Elson Jennifer's shelves. The first shelf you saw was
mostly textbooks made sense, but the shelf above it, which

(47:23):
was kind of out of focus. One of the books,
the only one you could really make out, was Debt
of Honor by Tom Clancy.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Not exactly the books that teen prodigies are reading.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
No, No, it's the Jack Ryan novel that follows The
Sum of All Fear sequentially, where a secret cabala of
Japanese industrial seized control of the Japanese government and wage
war on the US. Jack Ryan ends up as president
at the end of the book. Awesome, there is there
is a zero point two percent chance that either of

(48:02):
those girls would be reading that book, and there's a
zero percent chance that that was assigned.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
I love that, like, you know, like the Japanese were
going to replace us in the nineties. Man, I missed
those times. I mean, not not the racism against Japanese,
but just you know, different different era. You know.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yet, well, to be fair, they do own they Japan
and China owns virtually all of our death.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Sure, but there was a time you know, you had
you had a it was it was.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Still like people old enough to have been born during
World War Yeah, were sitting there like running things and thinking, oh,
it's gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
There was an ecosystem of Jim Belushi films where like,
you know, the factory is getting closed down and shipped
off to Japan, and that's not how it ended up
working out.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Are you trying to say that Gung Ho was a
Jim Belushi movie? Is that what's going on?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
I'm trying to remember which Jim Belushi movie I'm thinking of.
I think I'm thinking of the one where he like,
hopefully is it the one? Is it Brian Brown or
it can't be Brian Brown, it has to be uh
The rich Man's Brian Brown by forgetting Michael Michael Kane,
where Michael Kine is like a mystical barman who like

(49:18):
lets him make misters Destiny. That's what I'm thinking of. Yeah,
I'm thinking of Mister Destiny.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
The rich Man's Brian Brown.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
That I got insane.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, all right, So I the the match between Juliette
Brett and Aya Cash playing sisters was so good that
I was like, wait, is I a Cash way younger
than I think she is? And that's actually Aya Cash?

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Nice? So I did not take very many notes about
the lich Cough family.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
You know, I actually have very well, I have some notes,
but they're all they're all small.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Mom's accent was really bad, and every time they made
her made her speak, I was cringing.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
It was so bad that I didn't even look her up.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
It was I mean, she didn't have an image on
IMDb and didn't have definitely didn't have a bio, so
she had very few credits.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I will say that even though she wasn't a big
name yet, it seems super obvious that it was going
to be Sarah Hiley.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Yeah, I mean exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
You can kind of tell, like after the father's abuses
really revealed, it's like, oh no, no, this is.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
There's been very few times they've done that big of
a child star freak out, fake out. Really. The only
time I can think of was Juvenile, where they did
that where there was a big like, oh that kid's
a child actor and then you're but she she totally.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
You're like, oh no, it was beef. It was beef
from from Veronica mind. Yes, so we've got abusive frog
king dad. I will say that Aya Cash really brings it. Yeah,
when she's recounting her father's about oh yeah, This is
clearly like, oh, I'm gonna this is going on my fucking.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yeah, this ship put that on the real man.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
That's that's like, you know, that's how going to the
University of Minnesota preparison for the world. It isn't. I seriously,
I graduated in three years doing virtually nothing.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
And look what it's gotten you. Josh An Sbu podcast
decades later.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Those nerds man with their with their fucking rooms for
experiments really really blew my mind, Like why why are
they talking to them while they're still writing their experiments down?

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Like well, because it's it's New York and no one
stops working while they're being questioned by police.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
It's crazy. Like I kind of get, honestly, from a
character perspective, the the the first kid, the chemistry kid,
the the scion of the of the VC guy. Yeah,
I kind of got him working on stuff still. But
the other one, he's like johnning stuff down on a
on a chalkboard.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah, it's like the shithead could be doing that on
a goddamn notebook. Curiously, he doesn't need an entire lecture
hall of like Wall the Wall Chalky.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
He's not Einstein, you know, what I mean, even Einstein
could have done in a fucking notebook. You know, he
was just a cloe.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
He's not Josh Pi's dad's friend. Einsze.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
When Einstein was a was a fucking customs clerk. Do
you think he had like rooms full of chalkboards to
John's shit down? No, I don't think so, bullshit, And
the other one like, what's the other one doing with TVs?
And fucking like fleas. I didn't buy that kid being
a smart kid at all. Frankly, I just wanted to
scream a quote from a film that has been thoroughly canceled,

(52:50):
and that is nerds. That's what I wanted to yell
at those dudes. Yeah, but the last kid says also
was into older dudes, not pervy like you talking to Finn. Yeah, yeah,
I thought that was pretty funny. And then we go
meet uh, we go meet the dude burke in.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Does that happen before or after her father beats his
head in a black wall man? I can't remember. I
don't even remember, because we do need to talk about
something with the Senate with Joseph branding himself on center Block.
When that happens, I think it's Craigan, who rushes in,
I didn't rewatch to to.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Get that detail, he says.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
And he says, we need a bus in here, right,
or something to that effect.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
This leads right into a message that we got from
a listener Marissa, and I'll leave her last name out
just in case she cares about privacy. She reached out
like two months ago, and we it it's taken two
months from when the episode last episode dropped where someone
screamed that they need a bus. I think it was
probably unstable, so she reached out and she was She's like,

(54:06):
cop should know better than to just holler out somebody
call a bus, which is true because they should be
designating a specific person.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
To do this.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Uh, as Leslie Claret on Patriot would say, that's rope
one on one man. Yeah, so like both you and
I have been CPR, first aid certified for many times.
I've been for multiple jobs many times. Yeah, yeah, for sure,
And this is completely basic shit, Like this is absolutely
like when you're the first on a scene, this is

(54:39):
what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
It's like the second thing you do basically.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah, and you designate a specific person to do it
because like Okay. The closest analogue I have to this
is like when I'm on when I'm on set and
I need a I need PA to do something. You
don't like call out on walkie and just ask for
a PA to do something without designating which PA, of
course should be doing that task, because it's not going

(55:04):
to fucking get done because everyone's going to assume that
someone else is doing.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah, exactly, but yeah, absolutely, there's unis in there. It's
a fucking police station. The unis have a you know.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
I will, I will cut them a little slack on
this specific instance. But I also have watched like four
other episodes of SBU in the last three days. They
call for a bus three different fucking times, and the
other ones and they they, you know, non specifically, just scream,
somebody call for a bus. Well, in a police station,

(55:36):
you assume that, oh, someone's actually gonna hop to it
because everyone is sort of trained, and well, actually they aren't,
because we did cover that in a different episode.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Oh I remember it was the Anthony Rap Jane Kurkowski
episode which we did covered in Bound Mattricide by Proxy.
That was the one where we discovered that that no
NYPD detectives do not actually have particular really good first
DAID training. Surprisingly, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Yeah, okay, but yeah yeah, so like you're you're thinking,
but at the very least, like in the police station,
even though they're not CPR First Aid certified or trained
at all. Until what twenty nineteen I think was the.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
First point in which shocking.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Or maybe it was twenty seventeen, but there something insane.
Still yeah, still they would hop to and actually like
call a bus.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
There wouldn't be looking around. There wouldn't be looking around
and like hoping that the twin your thumb is helping
if someone else is doing it. Yeah, yeah, because you
at least are like used to responding to emergencies anyway,
So Marissa point inserted into the podcast.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Yeah, to me, that scene kind of reminded me of
season two of Twin Peaks, when Leland Palmer basically beats
himself to death inside an interrogation room. It's a great scene.
It's it's one of the highlights of season two. When
when of which there are not many, there's a bunch.
It's just that there's also there's.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
So much Ben Horn. There's so much Ben horn bullshit
where he's re enacting Civil War battles. Yeah, in his office.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
I don't I'm failing to see what the problem with
that is. There there might be some issues with James
going on a motorcycle ride into like uh Idaho or
something that's fucking terrible.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
But anyway, so moving on, Danny Burke was fun.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Yeah, Danny Burke was great. I loved him playing the
theorem in well. Yeah, while they're talking, he had some
some uh some really kind of like fun lines. You
ever see a nurse house, there's a.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Lot of like damning the man, you know, would man?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Yeah, Like I feel like he needs to get over
high school. But you know whatever, I get it.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Lots of people don't.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Yeah, I get it now, that's true, especially one that
seems so fucking weird, like that one where basically everybody's
a hypergraphic overachiever.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
You know, they're yeah, and they're paying they're paying kids
to be fucking to like basically make the school look better.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Now, my last kind of extensive note is when we
go back to Jennifer, and this is the kind of
the final third, and the first part of the final
third I enjoyed so she's and.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
We've got some real queen's gambit shit going on.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
We do. Now. She is sitting at a chess table
when Benson and Stable are coming to nab her, and
she says she's examining the Mulnar Naggy. Oh, she's studying
Mulnar Naggy nineteen sixty six.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Which to me that sounded like a star Trek thing.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Well, I looked it up and had to use some
titles to actually find out what she was saying. But
it is a real time I always watch with subtitles,
and now I might do it from now on because
it was like, oh, that's there was stuff I didn't
hear in that one. Anyways. It is a classic bishop
and pawn endgame, exhibiting several concepts, including a good ish

(59:00):
versus bad bishop and another concept which she brings up
called Well in German it would be zugzwang, but I
think she calls it zugzwang, which is I.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Mean, when you can say wang, you're gonna say wang.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Yeah. So it is a concept in chess end games,
which is the state of being forced to move, which
would put you into a worse position. So one thing
about chess you can't not move, and many times you
would choose not to move given the positioning of the board,
but you're forced to move, and if you're in Zugzwang,

(59:34):
you're being forced to move into a worse position, which
is a kind of a death spiral, which will eventually
get caught in unless you can figure out a way
out of it. And to me, it was a kind
of a very clever metaphor for this episode because Jennifer
all she wanted to do was be the number one
student at more Wood and then she beat the actual

(59:55):
number one student's head against the railing of a fairy
and dumpter body in the river, and now she's in
zogs Wang trying to figure out a way out of
this mess, which she doesn't actually have to figure the
way out of the mess for you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
It doesn't for her, as she says, I'm number one now, Mom,
aren't you happy for me?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Like, okay, So the the speed freak shit was so obvious, right, yes,
I mean from the like, how how is that not
the first place they fucking yes?

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Obviously, I mean, and again this is there's fourteen minutes
or something left in the episode at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I'll be generous and say, maybe there's only twelve, but
it's still so much episode left, and you're just like,
are you fucking hot?

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
So I haven't like how yeah there was twelve at
the I think it was there, Soka. No, yeah, yeah,
it was twelve at the point she tells she gives
up the goose and confesses to murdering. Okay, Also, which.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Is like, that's a whole lot of episode.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
That is a lot episode there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Especially for especially for an episode of SVU. That is
three episodes of television.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yeah, so the third episode is this ship going back
and forth to New Jersey trying to convince the New
Jersey Ada to have leniency on this girl who brutally
murdered her Yeah, her her classmate.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Oh yeah, there's a lot of weird. I guess I
would say a typical perp advocacy here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Uh yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's pretty strange to see them.
And yeah, I don't want to I don't want to
spoil too much of what the next episode.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, yeah, there's there's a lot of weird. Uh yeah, anyway,
but what.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
I will say is that it's the SVU has a
type that they think can be redeemed right, and there
are others that they do not think can be redeemed yes,
and Jennifer definitely fits the type which is pretty white.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
To me, I'm saying to be fair so much, and
like I've been watching I watched the new season of
Letter Kenny, so like whenever I say to be fair,
I'm thinking to be fair anyway, So uh, fuck to
be fair. I did watch another episode of SVU because

(01:02:29):
of the next episode that we're coming, and they were
being advocates for.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
A non white.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Perp who was also victimized. So I will I will
say that it's it's not entirely long color okay, but
though it does it does feel like that. But there's
probably an there's probably a large degree of confirmation bias
working like that that we're operating.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
I think you're probably right. It's just funny to call
out sometimes because it is just like Jesus christ Man,
like you don't always think that these people aren't monsters.
And she did a horrible thing, a horrible thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Oh yeah, So I really only have one note left.
My last note is seventeen hours of sleep without sleep
is the equivalent of a point five bac.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Okay, interesting because that's what that's what Warner has said.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
That recent study doesn't have shown that seventeen hours without
sleep is the equivalent of having a point five blood
alcohol content. Which my immediate reaction to that was, Jesus,
I was a buzzing for all of college.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Yeah, fuckerians.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
I mean I almost never had more than four hours
of sleep for all of college.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
That's not very much, Josh, is that explain everything? God?
But how do I say that guy's name? Sorry, I'm
this immediately has me thinking about the im Ray Naggy
that was his name, which the fucking no, no, no, no, it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Was probably he was. He was Charles Naggy's father.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
No, So okay, I'm thinking that the chess shit might
be a reference another reference to im Ray Naggy, who
was so he was the prime Minister of Hungary before
the Hungarian like revolution was crushed in nineteen fifty six
by the Soviets, and one of the sort of famous
things that happened in that is that he was he

(01:04:31):
was I think, if I'm getting this right, if I'm
remembering correctly, he was like basically forced to stay up
for like a week on end by the KGB and
eventually read a statement kind of disavowing the somewhat liberal
reforms that they had been enacting that led to the crackdown.
And it's an example of sleep deprivation mind control. So

(01:04:56):
maybe that's a deep reference there, but maybe it all
just is kind of you know, what, would you call it?

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Scissy G?

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
I think you might call it sissy G. Yeah, I
have no more notes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Really, Okay, let's let's fucking get to rating this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Yeah, so we rate and review these, uh, these episodes.
We do it on a four criteria ten point scale.
We do quality the guess how problematic it was and
the depth and breadth of lives ruined? So I guess
let's go back to front. So depth and breadth of
lives ruined. There's a lot of kids at more Wood

(01:05:35):
that have to have their you know, confidence shattered a
little bit by what happened, right, I mean, you know,
the star pupil in your school doesn't get brutally murdered
and everybody's normal after that, right, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I mean they're also like self absorbed that maybe they
would be normal after that's true, but they only care
about their own ship.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
But think about the reputation of Mit that isn't going
to have this, you know, budding Einstein going through it. Yeah,
that's where my father graduated from. Yeah, let's see, But
who cares? Where is exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Who cares about the reputation of I t Yeah, so
we do.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
And I mean, Jennifer is as fine as you can
be for brutally murdering your roommate. You know, she's going
to spend what seven years or something.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Supposedly Yea in a in a hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
H So not that bad there, Elsa's dead, Katrina the sister.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
She's yeah, she's probably the most lasting damaged person. Yeah,
or maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
The mom yeh or the mom I guess, but.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Yeah, the but the mom, there's complicity with the mom
sort of.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I mean, the dad's fucked.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
So dad is totally fucking But okay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Is he breen dad? Did we ever get an answer?

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Like did he did he beat himself?

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
He's fucked one way or the other. Though. Think about
all the Ukrainian working girls though that probably I don't
know what what state are they in? Are they getting deported?
Are they getting sent to like another laundromat? Where they're
gonna hide out from this guy. He's gonna find him,
like he's gonna track down Veronica. When he gets back,
he knows who did it, I think for sure. So

(01:07:21):
what do we call this, like a six or something
that's above average? Somebody dies?

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
It's not massive.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
There are a lot of girls being trafficked and all
of that shit. I mean, it's it's really easy by
the end of the episode to forget.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
I know, it feels like we've been talking about three
different episodes and by the end of it, like you're thinking,
like you're kind of so put off by the them
trotting out that one kid and talking about how he,
you know, raped and murdered his sister that you're like, wait,
that had nothing to do with this episode. Fuck that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
It's one of those It's one of those dick wolves
that you're just like.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Fuck yeah, seriously, seriously, it was a fuck you dick Now.
Was it problematic? It was, right, I mean, it clearly
was problematic. Was it highly problematic? I think it was
a little below average, honestly, or at least like around average,
because you got the sexualizing the fourteen year old. But
they didn't take it too far.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
They just kind of yeahs normally.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Exactly, they kind of more hinted it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
I mean she was found it. She was found in
her under.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
So unnecessary, oh my god. But so that's giving it
some points.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
And they made sure that we got we made they
made sure that we got like a sliver of just
the just the like waistband of the I know they
you know, you gotta fucking and then it's so.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Frustrated and then live really like treating them like fucking
cattle at a livestock show. The Ukrainian Working Girls. That
was pretty gross.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
That's super fun.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
I mean it was fun, but also problematic.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Super fun but problematic. I mean like she has to
play the part. Like it's like it's fun seeing her
do that because you know that like her intention is
the opposite, but like she's got to play this part
and it's I think that's souper.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Yeah. I think it was fun, but I don't it
wasn't highly problematic.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Right no, no, no, no, no, not not highly problematic, but.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
So what four Yeah, I mean it's problematic. It has
problematic bits.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Let's seek So the last one we did that was
A four. We can judge it against the Martin Mole episode, which.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Was retro that's about the same.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
I mean that one was like more disturbed, but.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
That was mostly what anti Gamon. Yeah, that was really
anti anti anti Gambian propaganda. That's that's what the problem
there was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Okay, so we'll call it a fo Okay. The guests.
I thought the guests personally, I thought Misha because nets
Off was the best guest, although Asa Cash was also good.
A Cash Aye Cash sorry I Cash was also quite good.
But I thought some of the rest of them were

(01:10:06):
a little irritating. Frankly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Yeah, I mean Sarah Hyland sort of has like a
thankless job to do. There's there's a lot of writing
on her being a tweaker.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah, and once you once you find out that she's
a tweaker, it's like, oh that's her deal.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Yeah yeah, and like it. I think she does it,
you know, well well enough. You know, it's not like
it's it's not like she gets to put in the
work that you would if you were in a feature
or something like that. Yeah, but for you know, a
guest spot where you're getting i don't know, eight to
ten minutes of screen time. Yeah, I think it works
for the most part.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
I don't think it. To me, the guests don't really
stand out though in this one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
No, not at all, aside from aside from because Netsova.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Yeah, but he I mean again the small bit. So
what are you gonna do? What? I do? You have
a number for it? I don't. I don't even know.
Like three, Yeah, that sounds about right to me. We
had three in the the one with Shirley Jones and
Beverly DiAngelo, And I think it's the same. It's coming
at it from a slightly different angle, but kind of
arriving at the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Same And like, Aya Cash is under utilized too, you know,
I mean not that she was a name at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
But still she's good and they they when she's when
she's doing stuff, she's really good in it. But I
mean she's in it for two minutes, right, So Okay,
the overall quality, it can't be very good. It wasn't
very good, but there were parts of it that were
a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yeah, Like, I don't know how you it's probably a
three or four.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Yeah, uh, Like I thought it was better than Melancholy Pursuit,
which we just watched, which we gave it three, but
so I would say four.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Maybe a three point five? Do we what do we
have at four? Do we have any fours that we
feel are discernibly better than this?

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Check it out? So the Martin Paula Malcolmson one was
a four. I think that one was better than this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
I don't know. That one was also wildly uneven and
there was all the kid acting, the really bad kid.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Acting dearly beloved. The Sheery Applebee t J Tyne one
was a four.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I think this is on par with that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Yeah, is there any other fours that we have? And
then finally we have the Christopher Evan Welch Jennifer Esposito remorse.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Oh uh, it's super weird now because Jennifer Esposito is
her second character that she did is now engaged to Finn.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Weird.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Yeah, the fourth episode of that Barbera episode, the Barbara
Comeback episode. Yeah, Finn, Finn is engaged with Jennifer Esposito.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
So for Finn, Yeah, for.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Sure, I'm happy for you, Finn.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
So, okay, that gives it as a four point two five, which, yeah,
you know, that seems about it seems about right. It
kind of slots in just underneath the Nick Chinlin Typerell episode.
We just watched execution. In some ways, I think it's
better than that one and overall.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Quality, but it also doesn't what was the overall quality
that we have for.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Exquestion three exactly, But but it was very problematic with
the riphilia, so it kind of it comes out ahead
on that. So okay, yeah, four point twenty five. That
makes sense. So I guess we've been kind of alluding
to the fact that we have another episode to do
in a minute, So let's let's roll it so everybody
knows which one we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yes, So the the next episode, which was drawn on
episode dot L O L, we can drop in that's
or whatever they're saying. Uh, I hate that part off.

(01:13:59):
I think it's what that that's what they say. So
the next episode is season seven, episode twenty one. It
is web when an eight year old propositions a male classmate.
Stabler and Tutuola are called in to investigate the case
and soon learned that Jake Winnock's father spent seven years

(01:14:20):
in prison for molesting his older brother Teddy. DNA tests
clear Gregory Hansel of abusing his son but implicate Jake's
older brother, whom detectives soon learn has been running his
own personal internet pornography site, Taru Tech. Reuben Morales joins
the detectives in their search for Teddy after he goes missing,

(01:14:42):
but his own guilt about his nephew's molestation after being
raped by an online predator he met using the the
computer Morales had given him colors his judgment when dealing
with one of the suspects. This episode that we have
scene features Connor Powlow.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
In his second appearance on Munch by Benson.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Yes, yeah, going back to he was an episode the
cover in Juvenile, which we did in episode five. I
believe something about a twart purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Yeah, perfect victim for a ninety pound tart purp. He
is the ninety pound purp.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
He really is. And that that's an episode from season four,
So this is like three years later and they're reusing
them already. This also obviously heavily features Joel Delafe yeah
as Reuben Morales.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
And then it it features in a weird throwaway part
Kate Mulgrew.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Yeah, Captain Janeway.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Yeah, totally throw away a part, but she.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Is in it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
She's she's good in a handful of seconds that she
has in the episode, but you're just like, wait, why
is why is Kate Mulgrew in this? And why is
she in it?

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
So little guys, if you don't remember Web, I highly
recommend watching it because it is something else. It is uh,
it's it's a wild ride. It's really out there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Yeah, yeah, no, it is. It's something so.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
It is definitely. Honestly, when I thought of the kind
of scale the ranking system, this is one of the
episodes I had in mind because it's just like a
that episode is so fucked.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
It really is. Okay, so you're in for a tree.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Yeah, but let's until next week. Do your homework. Until
do your homework, munchies, We'll see you then.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Whenever I say to be fair, I'm thinking to be fair.

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