46 - It Sucked That D-Bag Rape Boy Was Gonna Be the Last Guy to Lay Pipe in McCallum County (S11E16 Witness) - Munch My Benson: A Law & Order: SVU Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I wanted to call nine one one, but she insisted
on riding in the cab with us.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Honey, she was raped.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
Do you always have to be her hero? Now? The
baby's too upset to come out.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Did she tell you what happened?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
She was leaving the gym upstairs in our building when
a guy pulled her into the stairwell and raped her
at knife points. She'd described he was wearing a ski mask.
How the hell did he get in?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
That could have been you, Beth, except I don't pray
to run a public in my underwear.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
She could run around naked.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
That doesn't excuse me rape.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Sorry it say, she's constantly borrowing my husband. But Daniel,
can you kill the spider for me? Or my window stuck?
Flip my mattress?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I've never touched her mattress?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Has anyone been hassling her recently?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
And the unwanted attention? Attention's like a drug for her.
She can't get enough.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Oh, come on, honey, you get the poor kid a break.
She's had a rough year, went through a couple of
bad breakups and.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Even violent only if you count the guys tripping over
themselves trying to get away from her.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
In New York City, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous.
These are their stories. Hey guys, welcome to a munch
my events and my name is Adam. I'm back in
Galveston for the weekend. I'm in a line with Josh.

(01:31):
How is it going up there?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Josh, you know it's going fine?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Nice? Yeah, I know you've been sticking it to the
man the last few days, haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
You attempting to? We'll see how that pans out. You know,
my financial exposure is relatively limited. I don't have two
hundred thousand dollars in game stop stock or anything like that.
But doing my part holding the line, Yeah, trying to
fuck those hedphone dickheads over.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Those shitheads, As I was telling Josh before we started recording,
those dickheads are the same fucking people that made it
so that my kid is never gonna get to go
to toys r Uss. So he's has to go to
some you know, quaint local toy store or maybe to
just an aisle at the fucking target that has toys,
but not an entire megastore devoted to toys. And he's
gonna suffer for that. And so fuck those shitheads.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
But your pocketbook will be better off for it.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
I don't know. I'm fucked regardless. You know how much
these these things.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Cost, These these things.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Called creatures, Yeah, they're yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, their their money pots. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'm trying to think of I've watched anything good the
last few days since we spoke last, and I don't
think I have anything really on my list. I was
going to watch something for this episode, but I couldn't
bring myself to google it. I know it's available for
free on the internet, but I did not watch the
Harrison Ford film Witness before we watched this episode.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, it's I'm not really wild about that movie. I
did wed just watched rewatched Trading Places last night.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Oh, Trading Places rules. Yeah, that's totally different though, but
I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
And I watched The New World last nice.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
The super long version the original theatrical release that was
only out for like two weeks and then they pulled
it and re released a thirty minute shorter version.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Weird. I have not seen The New World, so I
can't comment on it, but I imagine it is long and poetic. Yeah,
any kind of movie that you don't often see in theaters.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
That is true.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yes, I follow some account online like one Perfect Shot
I think is what it's called, And they just did
a bit about they'll kind of like write a little
piece that you can click on and you know it's
going to follow down. They did a whole piece about
the scene in Days of Heaven with the locusts, which
is a very lyrical, very beautiful scene. Like it was
all in camera, so it was not post production effects

(03:54):
that they used to get the locusts. And what they
did is they actually filmed it in reverse dropping peanut
shells that they had died black, and that's how they
got the effect.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah. I think i'd read that, or maybe maybe I
watched a thing about it, but yeah, i'd seen that before.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah. They also did something you're not allowed to do anymore,
and that's they glued live grasshoppers to plants to make
it look like the plants were swarming with them.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
But it's in Canada, they allowed them.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
I mean that's where they shot it.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
But we have an episode to get to, we do.
I have a lot of shit that is tangential to
this episode to discuss. Oh, I guess actually it's fairly important,
But yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
It is an episode. It is a wild one. It
is from season eleven, episode sixteen, called Witness. A comely
blonde named Laney McCallum barges into an apartment of a
couple who are gathering their shit because missus apartment lady
is about to shoot a baby through her birth canal said.

(04:52):
Comely blonde is in hysterics justifiably so. She's been raped
and has a nasty cut on her hand. Jumped to
the hospital and our vic has been sedated with adavan,
but not before she's had Nurse Hutchens call her boyfriend
Jason one hundred times. We then get the expectant father
telling Benson and Stabler that she's had a rough year
with a couple breakups, and his dickbag wife adds that

(05:15):
guys were tripping over themselves to try to get away
from her. They go back to Lanie's room and she's
pissed that Jason seems to give zero shits that she
was just raped and is quick to blame Benson for this.
She then walks them through the scene of the crime,
remembering that her ski masked rapist was white with blue
green eyes and had grabbed the banister while in the act. Then,

(05:36):
after Laney takes her top off in front of Stabler
while he's mid apartment sweep, Benson and Stabler discover that
there was an eyewitness to the crime, an unidentified black woman.
Finn and Munch checked the surveillance footage with a super
and they get an array of photos to Laney, who
is able to identify the woman who pulled her rapist
off her. The squad tracks the woman in the photo

(05:56):
down to the twelfth floor in Landy's building, where she's
a home healthcare in her but one who claims not
to have seen anything. The unit tries to figure out
which end is up, with Wong dubbing Laney as someone
who suffers from histrionic personality disorder, while the squad is
left to figure out the likelihood of Laney having made
everything up for attention. Then Benson and Stable rush out
to tend to Laney, who's in cuffs outside Jason's house.

(06:19):
They bring her back to her apartment and try to
SEUs out just what's going on, and while doing so,
they see a neighbor spying on Laney from across the
way with a telescope. They trick him into providing them
with DNA when he drinks from a proffered cup of
water and they match it to some pre jack they
found on her person. Cornered and tricked into thinking they've
got the eyewitness, the rear window rapist quickly concocts a

(06:40):
cock and made me explanation built around a misunderstanding and
his acting out Lany's rape fantasy. But Benson ain't buying
what brycey boy is selling. As Finn and Munch try
to track down our eyewitness who's in the wind, Cabot
brings Lane in front of the grand jury, but after
complaining of hand pain, Laney collapses in the courtroom and
is a rushed to the hospital when Ben's arrives at

(07:00):
the god. When Benson arrives at the hospital to meet
Jesus fucking Christ, why can I not say this sentence right?
When Benson arrives at the hospital to meet with Cabot,
the doctor comes out to inform them that a previously
healthy Laney is going to fucking die. Yep, die. Apparently

(07:24):
when they stitched up the cut in Lane's hand, she
got fucking MRSA and now she's got hours to live.
Olivia lies and tells Lane that Jason's on his way
to the hospital. Cabot and Live get Landy to record
her dying declaration from her deathbed. Cabot adds felony murdered
or the charges she's filing against Bryce Felton, but without

(07:44):
Nardallyyula their eyewitness, they're fucked as everything hinges upon her
being able to corroborate what happened in the stairwell. Finn
and Elliott finally tracked down Nardali, who watched her daughter
get raped and die and then was raped herself over
and over and over in the Congo and is in
the US as an undocumented refugee fleeing from the horror

(08:04):
she faced. Then Benson and Cabot Ben Bot have a
date where they where they talk about what a fuck
show the international courts are. I'm really into Ben. I'm
disappointed that that should that's not the name. Nardalie testifies

(08:25):
in front of the grand jury, but as soon as
she's outside the courtroom, fucking Ice shows up and snatches
her up, which means Cabot has to trudge through the
bowels of Ice detention centers tracking down and freeing Nardally.
After they play Lany's dying declaration, in which she says
she only banged three dudes, and she loved every one
of them, and it sucked that shitbag rape boy was

(08:45):
going to be the last guy to lay pipe in
McCallum County. Nardali testifies Bryce Kelton's defense attorney really pushes
the rape a fantasy angle. But Nardalie ain't having any
of that bullshit. She's from the war torn Congo. She
knows rape. She watched her daughter get brutally raped and
die from the injuries six days later. She was raped

(09:05):
more times than she could count in the enta Hamway
militia camp. She was kidnapped and dragged off to She
saw countless other women raped. Laney was being raped. The
jury brings back a guilty verdict on the rape, but
the rape alone, and Nardalie gets a uvisa for her cooperation.
But she says she's going back to help the cause
on the Congo. More than that, she's going because Cabot's

(09:27):
heading off to the Congo to lock up some rapers,
even if that means breaking up with Benson and we
get in. Every time you go away, you take a
piece of me with you. Dick Wills.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Oh, I definitely detected a note of jealousy in Benson
when she found out from Ula that Cabot was leaving
and that she didn't tell her you know, personally, Oh
for sure.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, this episode was rife with women being jealous of
other them.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
That's absolutely true.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Like it was the entire episode.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Oh man, you know, I have a lot more fun
watching this the first time I watched it than the
second time.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
The first time I watched it, I was so stunned
by the left turn with the MRSA that I didn't
focus so much on the horrible details of the in
Tarahumway rape stories. And this second time I watched it,
I definitely had to focus more on that.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, and it's it's just so fucking insane. But when
the turn happens the second time you've seen it, it's like, Okay,
well I know it's going there, But the first time,
it's like, holy shit, shit, MRSA, what really.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Necrotizing fasci itis? What you know?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, it's it's really really bonker.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Okay, before we jump into this, you drinking anything, Josh.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, I'm uh I'm drinking what would certainly when I
left Minnesota would have been one of my probably like
five favorite beers. It's a seasonal, the Great Northern Porter
from Summit Brewing. I think my Palett's probably changed markedly
in twenty years or something.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well, also, the massive beer movement has happened in the
intervening years, right.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
So yeah, yeah, totally. I mean it's still good. I'm
not knocking it, but it's like it wouldn't crack a
top fifty list or whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
For I'm drinking a Dale's pale Ale, which is fine,
but it's the same thing. It's like, it's a good beer.
I like it, but it's not totally service. Yeah, but
it's not like out of this world or anything. I'm
also drinking an espresso. It is really nice to be
back home in Beaumont. We have a drip coffee, you know,
just like an eighteen dollars coffee pot. Shit, And yeah, man,

(11:36):
I don't know if I ever really enjoyed coffee out
of those things because I can't seem to nail it.
It doesn't ever taste as good as it does out
of my much fancier Italian machine that I have.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
That's what brand is.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's a psycho as a e cook basically grinds and
pores and it doesn't fucking bang up. Job nice. You know,
you can adjust almost everything. The thing is twenty five
years old at this point. My parents got it in
the nineties and it's still going strong. But oh, it
is a pleasure drinking coffee out of it. I also

(12:09):
have much better coffee here. I joined the Atlas Coffee Club.
You know, it's like a monthly coffee subscription. It's good coffee.
I'm enjoying it. Okay, Yeah, where do you want to
start with this? Do you want me to talk about
the congo for a half an hour, Josh? Or do
you want to do other stuff first?

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Let's at least get the guest stars out.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Of the way before, okay, con absolutely.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Okay, So we'll start with the Aora Baird. She was
playing Laney, she was in Accepted, she was in Wedding Crashers.
She's currently in I didn't I didn't write this down.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
She's in Cobra Kai.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, she's currently in Cobra Kai. It's like I've been
watching the fucking shit. She's Robbie's mom in it. She
was in an episode of Casual, which that show's pretty
fucking awesome. Did she had a recurring part and Shameless
also back. I mean, this is like ten years when
she was in Shameless. She definitely tends to play attractive
women in so she's at least got that going for her.

(13:02):
She can be funny.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
I thought she nailed this part. I thought she was
absolutely thought she thought she's really really fun and I
mean the exchange between her and the pregnant wife at
the beginning was just note perfect. I thought, just oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
this chick is going to piss off you know, your wife?

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, prego Karen. Okay, so I've got, I've got, saida
Erica Ekelona, who's playing Nardali Eula. This is her fourth
appearance in sv.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
We've already seen her in munch of My Benson. She
was at Brooklyn SVU, not SVU brook Yeah, no, Brooklyn SVU.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, she was Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah. When Elliott was fucking up her case with the
Nick Chinlund episode.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, when he was fucking up everything in execution.
That's the one we covered back in episode thirty seven
of munch My Benson, which is called our job is
to sit there and en choice. She has won multiple awards,
including an Obie for playing Mama Nady and the Pilenterprize
winning play Ruined, a production that also featured William Jackson,
Harper and Chris Chalk in supporting roles. We just saw

(14:05):
Chris Chalk a couple episodes ago. She got her MFA
from the Guthree program at the University of Minnesota, so
she joins Aya Cash and alumnus from that program. She
popped up as an Ada in the newest season of
Better Call Song. She had recurring roles and Kevin Can
Wait and Impastor, and she played the nurse in Royal

(14:25):
Tennant Book.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I don't have IMDb pro so I couldn't check out
her real bio on her agent's page. But I don't
know if you track that down at all to see
she is a marriage she is okay, Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't get her full byo.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah, she's She didn't say where she grew up, but
it was East Coast and she had it was too
like us Colsta. She does dialogue coaching for South African accents.
So given her name, not being able to do any
of the research, I would assume that her parents were immigrants.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
That would make sense. In South Africa would make sense.
I mean, you got probably multiple different accents, and yeah,
that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
She was doing her MFA at University of Minnesota from
ninety three to ninety five, or maybe it was ninety
two to ninety five, so that places her maybe her
parents were able to get out of South Africa or
wherever South Africa. We're kind of assuming given the fact
that she does South African accent coaching. Next up would
be Eric Lang, who's playing Bryce Kelton. He was CIA

(15:23):
station chief Bill Steckner in Narco's pretty recognizable character actor here.
He was a Critics' choice nominee for Best Supporting Actor
for playing Lyle Mitchell in Escape from Dana Mora. He
had a big recurring part in The Bridge, which I
won't get into if you haven't seen it, but the
Bridge is pretty good. He also had recurring parts in

(15:44):
this first season of Perry Mason. He was also in
The Man in the High Castle, Waco and Lost.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
In recurring partsload of stuff he has.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
I've got two more bigger ones and then two more
small Okay, so we've got Lindsay Kraus who's playing Judge Andrews.
This is one seven appearances of hers as Judge Andrews,
and it's the first time we've seen her. She was
nominated for a Best Supporting Actress Oscar for her turn
in Places in the Heart supporting Sally Field. I believe
she was Lily in Slapshot. She starred in House of Games,

(16:15):
which was written and directed by her then husband David Mammott.
I'm assuming Adam's been waiting for me to get to
this one. She was Professor Walsh in season four.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Of buff Oh Yeah, obviously, and then she.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Was also she had supporting parts in The Verdict, which
is fucking amazing. If you've never seen The Verdict, it's
so fucking good. She was also in Prince of the
City and The Insider, and then the next bigger part
that we've got, the kind of last one that was recognizable.
Actor is ned Eisenberg, playing defense attorney Roger Kressler. This
is one of twenty four appearances of his on SVU,

(16:49):
twenty two of which have come as this character. The
only other one we've seen him in, however, was in
Payback the pilot, which we covered in our first episode,
Dick Wolf being Dick Wolf, where he was playing defense
attorney Jerry Kleinert, a differently named a differently named defense
attorney who was defending the weirdo who pulled his junk
out in court and then called Stabler a puttshead. So

(17:14):
he was also a recurring defense attorney on the original
series as a different character. He has been a character
actor since the nineteen eighty You've seen him in a
fuck load of stuff, probably always playing a goddamn lawyer.
He also co founded the Naked Angels Theater Company with
Fisher Stevens back in nineteen eighty seven. Weird, Yeah, like

(17:35):
they sort of morphed into looking like one.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Of Yeah, they kind of do. Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, it's kind of funny. Lastly, I've got Jonathan C.
Kaplan playing Daniel Stegman, her neighbor. This is his second
of three appearances in SEU and his second munch My
Benson appearance, having first appeared as Sergeant Richie Russo in
Beautiful Frame, which we covered back in munch My Benson
episode twenty four, The Thin Blue Line Between Order in
Suburban Police. He was nominated for a Tony for Best

(18:01):
Actor in a Featured Role back in nineteen ninety two
when he was twelve for his turn in Falsetto's. The
only other thing I think I've ever seen him in
was he was in four episodes in Point meets World
Weird as a team.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I've got one other one besides those, Sean Cullen, who
played the ice agent Brett Trask. He's been in five
episodes of SVU, three as this character, two as others,
been in a bunch of others things as well. He's
the FBI director in mind Hunter. That's the one that
I recognized him from. Oh my god, he really nails

(18:35):
the fucking ice shitthead.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then last, my last one
is Elizabeth Flax, who's playing er nurse Carrie Hitchins. She's back.
She is the one who had the great line welcome
to Thursday Night in the Knife and Gun Club Detective.
Yeah from Abomination, which we covered back in episode twenty nine.
I was gonna say the guy's scared stick Yeah. Yeah,
And she's been in fifteen episodes. I've i closed your

(19:02):
page out, but it's somewhere around there, Like, she's definitely
been in a bunch of episodes.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, she's the go to like sassy nurse when they
need one. Yes, I would say that I think that
all of them did really well. I thought most of
the guests were really spot on the from the couple
to the fucking skeezy neighbor to you know, the rapist.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
I guess yeah, rapist first and foremost he was skeezy,
but also rapist. I got a lot of notes about well,
I got some notes about his stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Should we dive into the Congo? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
So I don't know how long to make this because
I can talk about this for a very long time.
But of course the Democratic Republic of Congo plays a
big part in this episode. The main character, fuck, I'm
forgetting her name?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Are you going to talk about Congo?

Speaker 3 (19:52):
The Michael Crichton, I should Nartali Nardali. That's her name.
Yea Rtally is from the she says she's from the
Eastern province is now. The Congo is a vast areas
a Democratic Republic of Congo. It's a vast area in
Central Africa that was essentially home to many different ethnic groups.
Over a very long period of time. Many different nations

(20:13):
probably existed there, but in the late nineteenth century, Henry
Morton Stanley did an expedition up the Congo River. The
Congo River being the second largest river in Africa. It's
a massive river. Now. The thing about it, though, is
that close to the sea, it's filled with rapids and
it loses tons of altitude, and so you can't actually
sail a ship. Like a big river like say the

(20:36):
Nile or the Amazon, you can sail a ship up
it from the mouth all the way up to far
up up it, but you can't do that with the
Congo River because of these rapids that are close to
the sea. Now, what Stanley did was lead an expedition
into the bush and discovered that you didn't have to
go very far and you could have shipping on the

(20:57):
river above where those rapids ended. And so this is
where the built a town called Leopoldville, which is now
called Kinshasa, and they were able to exploit this vast
area that was basically the drainage basin of the Congo River.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Wait, Stanley's British, correct, Well, he's kind of a legendary Charlatan.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, he's originally English. But he served in the United
States Civil War on the side of the Confederacy, but
then eventually later was on the side of the Union too,
So he's kind of like as an adventurer. He's lived
most of his life in the United States when he
wasn't doing his adventures overseas, but he did multiple adventures
through Africa, and in this case he was working on

(21:37):
behalf of the Belgian royal.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Family hens Leopoldville.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yeah, hence Leopoldville, and in the Berlin Conference of eighteen
eighty five, which basically set the borders for Africa. Now,
this is a weird thing about Africa. Every other continent
essentially has a different path to having borders. So in
Asia and Europe, borders are fought over forans of years, generations,

(22:02):
back and forth, all sorts of things. In the Americas,
of course.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
The or in Asia specifically Asia minor, they're drawn randomly
by the fucking bridge.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Well, sure that happens too later on, but in Africa,
one hundred percent of the borders are randomly drawn basically
during the Berlin Conference of eighteen eighty five, and it's
determined where the French zones were going to be, where
the British zones were going to be, where the German
zones were going to be, and where this one weird
place was going to be owned by one guy, King
Leopold the second of Belgium. He essentially turned the whole

(22:34):
country over to a rampaging band of fucking scumbags who
exploited it primarily for rubber, and he was basically a mercy.
There's a cat on my roof. How did that? I'm sorry,
this cat just jumped. Hopefully it's eating rats that are
up there anyways. So the first rush that Congo had

(22:54):
with colonialism was terrible because Leopold's personal holding was used
as a basic a rubber exploitation center. Famously, people's hands
were cut off if they did not harvest enough rubber
from the trees there, and ears and all sorts of
the grizzly awful things, and it was so awful. There
was really one of the first big humanitarian campaigns. This

(23:16):
was in the early nineteen hundreds, a campaign to stop
the atrocities in the Congo. And so in nineteen oh
eight it was turned over to the nation Belgium, which
then kept it until nineteen fifty eight. And nineteen fifty
eight the process of turning it over to its own
citizens was begun.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
The Congolese correct.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yes, the Congolese and that didn't go through until nineteen
sixty one. Before we get there, there's another country that's
going to factor into this, Rwanda. Now, Rwanda was not
actually given to any European power during that Berlin Conference,
though shortly thereafter it was claimed by the Germans, and
the Germans as part of their way of ruling the country,

(23:57):
determine that one ethnicity that Tutsis would rule over everybody else.
Tutsi's about fifteen percent of the population. Now, it's really
kind of dumb and esoteric as to what Tutsis and
Hutus are, and it's not very important, but they basically
handed out identification cards to everybody that said you're a
Tutsi or you're a Hutu, and that's more important for

(24:17):
later on. These ethnicities are not bound by these borders,
and in fact, many Tutsis in particular originally would have
been more cattle herders, So the Hutus in Rwanda were
more farmers, more sedentary, whereas the Tutsis were cattle herders
and they were a little bit more migratory, and many
of them settled on the eastern shore of Lake Kivu,

(24:37):
which is in now in the Democratic Republic of Congo,
and so you call them the Banya Mulge and they
come into the story a little bit later. Eventually, after
World War One, Rwanda became another Belgian territory and they
too gained independence when everything was becoming independent around nineteen sixty.
Back to the Congo. So, after independence in the Congo,

(24:58):
shit hits the fan and hard fast. The first guy
who gets elected president in Congo is a real rabble rouser,
a guy who actually gives your shit about his own
country and doesn't want to just rape it for its
own resources. A guy named Patrice Lamumba total world historical badass.
This guy really cool guy, actually would have done a
great job if he weren't executed by the CIA a

(25:21):
few years later. Now, he was executed during a thing.
It was called a Congo crisis.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
So after Congola, Wait wait, wait, was the CIA assassinating
deumocratically elected world leaders through the sixties.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, they sure were, that was one of their things.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
And I mean it didn't stop there, obviously, it started
in the fifties, but sure, yeah, good time.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
So Lamumba was assassinated as part of a big crisis
that had ripped through the Congo. Right after independence, one
of the provinces called Katanga, which is the most mineral
rich province, was essentially coersed into breaking away by Belgian capitalists.
So basically, a bunch of scumbags from you know, like

(26:00):
the de Beers Diamond Corporation and others like them, hired
a bunch of European mercenaries to go to Katanga and
set up their own mercenary army to fight against the
new Congolese Republic. Of course, and it was a big crisis.
It sucked in the Soviet Union, in the United States

(26:21):
and the British and the French, and everybody had sort
of shifting sides about who they were supporting in which
exactly when they were supporting somebody. But during the course
of this l Mumba was assassinated and a guy, Joseph
Mobuto took power with the support of the CIA. Now
he renamed himself Mobuto sessi seiku.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Let me guess, was he more amenable to giving the
United States and Europe their resources at a discounted rate? Yes,
as long as he was able to do whatever the
fuck he wants.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Basically is exactly right.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
It's almost like this has happened in other places.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
In the course of this, one of the British, most
likely British secret Services assassinated the UN Secretary General in
very suspect circumstances. So another badass, dag hammer Scold, who
is the UN Secretary General, was flying between various places
in Africa to try to negotiate a conclusion to this crisis,

(27:18):
and in the course of that his plane was straight
up shot down, which killed fifteen people.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I'm assuming that is where the assassination of Alex English's
character and amazing Grayson Chuck is inspired by.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Most likely Yeah, so blowing up airplanes in Africa is
gonna It's gonna come back in a minute. But anyways,
dag hammel Scold died and Utan the guy who became
the next Secretary General. Great names all the Secretary generals
until the I don't even know what the present one's
name is. Mobuto Sesiseiku takes power and essentially the country

(27:51):
is run like your classic kleptocracy. After that, he enriched
himself at the expense of his country and allowed whatever
minerals needed to flow out of Katanga to flow without
any pseudo communist rabble rousers getting in the way. So
this is how Mabuto came to power, and Mabuto ran
the country not very well for a very long time.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Now not very well.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Now, eventually you get to nineteen ninety four. And in
nineteen ninety four, on April sixth, nineteen ninety four, the
President of Rwanda, who was Rwanda again has these two
major ethnic groups and they had already been fighting in
between them on multiple different occasions. But he was flying
back from a conference to try to negotiate a settlement

(28:37):
to this conflict. His plane was shot down as it
was landing in Kegali, the capital of Rwanda. Now, who
shot it down, No one really knows. I put my
money on his own fucking wife being behind shooting him down.
So his wife, his name was Juvenal Habyarimani. His wife

(28:58):
was Agatha Habyari Mami. She was one of the main
figures in a group called the Akuza, not Yakuza, the Akuza,
which was a Hutu nationalist They were like the inner
circle of the Hindu nationalist elite. And it was her,
her brother and a couple other people including the heads
of the Intera Hamway, the Intera Hamway is almost analogous

(29:20):
to the Hitler youth, basically like a pseudo militia of
rabid psychopaths. If they were white and had the fascy
haircuts and wore Hawaiian shirts. You could kind of imagine
them on you know, this past couple months in Washington.
The difference between Rwanda and well Alex Jones supporters is

(29:41):
that they had a radio station that drummed up these
people into committing which well, anyways, let me stop. So
after the president of Rwanda's playing is shot down, that
is essentially the signal for the Rwanda genocide to start.
There's a Rwandan army, the FAAR, but the main force
behind the Rwanda genocide was the Intera Humway. The Intra

(30:03):
Humway was like youth militia group that was heavily influenced
by this radio station that was essentially just like I mean,
just really shocking stuff. But to me, the scariest thing
about the Rwanda genocide is many people grow up thinking
that what happened during World War Two with the Nazis
and the Holocaust is something unique that could never happen

(30:23):
again and is different than anyplace else. But what you
see in Rwanda. I feel more similarities between the United
States and Rwanda than I do between the United States
and Germany in the viimera republic era, and it terrifies
me to no end. And I've thought this since like
nineteen ninety eight or whenever, when I started getting really
horrified by this shit. But essentially, you had media getting

(30:44):
people so radicalized that they were going out and grabbing
their neighbors out of their houses and hacking them to
death with machetes purchased at zero cost from the French,
who for some reason, we're trying to get a leg
up on the British in Africa in ninety team ninety
fucking four. Because this is it's so complicated and it's

(31:06):
so upsetting that it's hard for me to really nail
it down. So in Rwanda, you have between five hundred
thousand and a million people die in the course of
one hundred days. Most of them are killed without guns
because bullets would be too expensive to kill this many
people that quickly, and so most of them are killed
with machetes, with hand grenades, with farm implements, and mostly

(31:27):
a lot of times it was just their fucking neighbors.
People's neighbors, dragging them out of their houses. And this
was not necessarily with the explicit support, but definitely with
the implicit support of France, who was in the process
of trying to shore up their position in Africa vis
a vis their relationship with the British, which is very complicated,
and I don't understand why on earth they would do

(31:49):
such a thing. The French after this, let many of
the worst kind of the leaders of the genocide escape
to France, where they live until about twenty ten, when
finally some of them are being arrested, but many of
them did not suffer very many consequences.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Are they now hanging out of the haze?

Speaker 3 (32:06):
This is another thing we'll get to in a second.
So at this point, when the shit starts hitting the fan.
In April nineteen ninety four, the Tutsi militia, which was
called the RPF, they were hanging out in Uganda primarily,
and they've been there for a better part of ten years.
They're led by a guy named Paul Kagame. At this point,
Kagame and the RPF invade Rwanda and pretty quickly kick

(32:27):
the shit out of the Faar's the that's the Hutu
army and RPF is really one of the most effective
fighting forces in human history. So they knocked the shit
out of the Interira Hamway, and the Hutu militias in
Rwanda forced them across the border. Most went to Zaire.
At the time, it was called Zayir and they went
to Zaire which is now the Congo. They took with

(32:49):
them lots and lots of people that didn't need to go,
so people who were fleeing retribution essentially from the Tutsis,
and so over a million and a half people went
to these refugee camps in Zaire around the town of Goma,
which is just on the border between Congo and Rwanda,
and stayed there for a number of years. Things were
kind of heated. There would be cross border raids here
and there, and then in nineteen ninety six, the Rwandans,

(33:13):
which is a very small country, invade Zaira, which is
a massive country, to try to root out these in
Tara Hamwey militiamen that are still in these camps, which
sparks the First Congo War. Now they start beating the
ever living fuck out of the militias that are there,
and the zay Aians army tries to stop them, and
they too get beaten to hell and back by the Rwandans.

(33:35):
Now the Rwandans they're trying to track down all the
in Tara Haamway, and in the course of it, they're
committing some pretty massive war crimes themselves. But they're gonna
take over the whole country and so they need to
find a patsy to take over the country with them.
So they find this guy, Laura Kabila, who'd been hiding
out in the bush since the sixties. He had been
on the kind of Lumumbis side during the Congo crisis.

(33:56):
In fact, even served with Chae Gavera when chae Gavera
was sent to the Congo to do some fighting. But
Kabila is put in charge of this army and as
they make their way westwards across Congo and they make
their way all the way to Conshasa install Kabila in power.
But Kabila wasn't exactly a Rwandan puppet the way they
wanted him to be, and after a couple years, shit

(34:20):
starts popping off in the eastern provinces again. In Nord Kivu,
that's the one that abuts Rwanda. So a new conflict
starts in the most kind of mind boggling military operation
you can imagine. So there's a sort of low level
conflict that pops off and then some Rwandan army guys
hijack three planes, fly the planes to the far western

(34:42):
end of Congo, so all the way to the Atlantic
coast and land at a military base there, take over
the military base, and in the process the whole country
goes to shit, in a total shit storm, and it
drags in all these different actors. So on one side,
you've got Rwanda, You've got Burundi, and you've got Uganda

(35:02):
versus the Congo led by Kabila, with Angola, Zaiyeir, Namibia, Zambia,
Sudan is involved at one point. Libya is involved in
one way or another. South Africa is involved, not with
military but with the kind of political pressure. Basically most
of the continent is involved in this conflict, and it

(35:22):
goes on for a very long time. It starts in
nineteen ninety eight. It's really not fully over yet. In
two thousand and one, Kabila was assassinated by one of
his bodyguards. There was a peace deal in two thousand
and three, which pretty much put the end to large
scale fighting. But there have been multiple militia groups representing
multiple different sides that have still been around. So there

(35:45):
are pieces of the Interahamway that are still out there.
They're called the FDLR, which she mentions the Force democratique
poor liberal Acione de Rwanda apologize for my French. They're
still out there though. This conflict has been going on
for over twenty years at this point, and so not
very many of the genocid airs as they're called, are

(36:05):
still out there now. In Tarahamway means those who work together.
It's based in the Hutu genocidal language. So the work
to them was killing the cockroaches who were the tutsis
the INSIGNEESI. It's pretty dark shit, but yes, they are
still out there. There's many other groups that are still
out there. The conflict that they're kind of really talking

(36:28):
about in two thousand and eight, two nine, twenty ten,
when this episode was filmed and when the allegations of
mass rapes were really coming into because rape has been
a part of this conflict for a long time. It's
part of every conflict. It's why you shouldn't launch wars
against countries that haven't done anything to you, because bad
things happen, including mass rapes and murders. But over the

(36:49):
course of the Congo conflict, the Second Congo War, something
like five million people have died. In twenty eleven alone,
there were four hundred thousand reported rapes. It's horrible shit,
really really horrible shit.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
And that's reported, that's reported. The actual figure is probably
ten times then.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, of course, And it's hard to know because you
have to wonder about the kind of people that get
up in arms about foreign issues often have an agenda,
and when it comes to Africa, it means that somebody
wants us to intervene on behalf of somebody else, and
oftentimes that that ends up having knock on effects that
are not great. I believe our country does not have

(37:28):
a very good record of intervening places when we don't
know what the hell's going on. In fact, the whole
crisis with Rwanda in nineteen ninety four can be triice
to Europeans and Americans either intervening or not intervening without
really understanding the facts on the ground. And it's kind
of a classic problem. But that conflict was really around

(37:50):
a group called M twenty three that two thousand and
nine was around M twenty three, which is a basically
Rwandan backed militia group. The Rwandans wanted to keep these
militia operating across the border so that they could protect
themselves from these rump FDLR groups that are out there.
M twenty three was the most powerful of these groups.
Was the leader was a guy named Lauren Nakunda Nkunda sorry,

(38:13):
and there's another guy named Bosco and Taganda. Both of
them would be in the news from time to time.
Bosco and Taganda was actually tried by the ICC for
war crimes, including enlisting children in his activities. His was
involving sexual slavery of civilians. There are a few like
that now. The problem with the war crimes tribunals is

(38:35):
that they always seem to get the smaller fish. They
don't get the big fish. Of course, not so the conflict.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
And the big fish have the money because they've fucking
pilford everything they could from the country that they're running
or from the cause. If they're not running the country, Yeah,
that they have enough money to go into fucking hiding
wherever the fuck they are.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Of course, and sorry for this kind of rambling stuff,
but yeah, the rich people always get away with it.
Whether it's the people that organize the genocide in Rwanda
or Paul Kagame, the current president of Rwanda, who's probably
personal responsible for many of the war crimes that happened
in Congo over the next twenty six years, none of
them are ever going to see any consequences for this.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
But it's just villainous, lieutenanty.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah. And if you look at the ICC's record, not
very many non black people have ever been tried and
convicted in the ICC. In fact, I can't think of.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Anyone color me shop.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah, and it's definitely not to the ICC's credit that
that's the case. I guess you did have Serbia, but
that was not the ICC that was different. I don't
think that very many people are going to want to
sign on to it if the only people that are
ever going to see justice are admittedly terrible people, but
African terrible people, not Europeans, not Americans, not Chinese. A

(39:52):
few things, the resource exploitation, real quick, it definitely was
a part of the Congo conflict this whole time. One thing, famously,
a so tantalum which she mentions is cold han. It's
a rare earth material. It goes in cell phones and
computer switches and things like that. Famously, in nineteen ninety eight,
the price of it rose massively because the PlayStation two

(40:15):
was released, and when the PlayStation was two was released,
there was not enough global supply of this stuff, and
so the Rwandan back militias did mine and sell massive
amounts of it. In fact, Rwanda became the world's leading
supplier of cold han for about six months in nineteen
ninety eight. Rwanda itself has no cold han deposits in it. Yeah, yeah,

(40:38):
of course, But almost as soon as people realized what
was going on. You know, like most things, it's actually
easier to mine it in Australia in using you know,
massive strip mining than it is to like force child
soldiers to rip that stuff out of the ground. And
so the real exploitation comes either from slavery of people
or you know, your classic diamonds and gold and like that.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
And that's why are you knocking child later.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
As long as they do it for free, it's fine,
as my child will soon be doing with dishes.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yes, So yeah, everything's fucked.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, no, And the Democratic Republic of Congo is really fucked.
It's a sad place. Nord Kivu where she's talking about
as a beautiful place. It was called the Switzerland of
Africa by the Belgians when they first started settling there.
It has a mountain meadows, is how I describe it.
It doesn't have it's not jungly. It almost looks like
tea plantations in India is what the landscape looks like.

(41:38):
I think it was a nineteen eighty when all this
shit was popping off. A volcano erupted in Goma, which
is the big city out there, split the town in half.
Not only do you have these people that have personally
slaughtered hundreds of not thousands of their neighbors living side
by side with you, you've also got an erupting volcano
next door. So really a wild fucking place. So yeah,

(42:05):
let's get to the episode.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Okay, my first episode note is prego. Karen says she
only cut her hand. Well, now your neighbor's dead. I
hope you fucking feel off.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
I'm sorry, but I have to kind of side with
Karen on this one because if my wife was spending
this much time with a man that was that attractive.
I would be very jealous if a man that was
as attractive as a Yeah, yeah, yeah, Diorra Barrett. Yes exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Okay, so the lady character doesn't make a ton of
sense to me. No one's going to say door A
Barrett is into smoke show. If I looked that good,
I probably wouldn't wear much either, and I'm not going
around boning a bunch of people and probably wouldn't then
eat me either.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Was she?

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I know that? Said? Neighbor Dan with a jealous bitch
of a wife says she went through a couple bad
breakups in the past year, and it would seem like
Jason might not be counted amongst those breakups. When he
says this coming out of the first commercial, r yeah. Moreover,
when they bring her back to her apartment, she disrobes
right in front of Ellean. Yeah, moving right past the

(43:10):
fact that this must be Stabler's best day at work. Ever,
does it really make sense that her later revelation that
she's only had sex with three people it doesn't track well?
She does.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
She has history onic personality disorder, that's what That's what
Warren says.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
She's also she's she's twenty four. She has a box
of condoms and a set of furry handcuffs at her
bedside that we're apparently supposed to take its proof that
she's an information.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
The box of condoms is proof that she's an infomaniac.
That's some I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
I tried to go back to the drawer that Elliott
was putting the furry handcuffs back in, and I was
trying to see if, like there were crazy vibrators or
fucking strap There are no dogs, and I mean, maybe
maybe there was a vibrator, but it's like, who cares?
That doesn't mean anything either.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, but I'm sorry, but like box of condoms being
evidence of her slutness is yeah, straight up Catholic church propagame.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Timeline doesn't make any sense with me. She's had a
couple of bad breakups in the last year, and Jason's
not one of them. Were we to take this to
mean that she only had sex with three people and
all three are this year.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Or you could think that if she does have historionic
personality disorder, everybody she casually meets she's madly in love with,
even though they barely know that she exists.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
To be fair to her. The Jason situation seems like, Oh,
that guy's a fucking dickhead. And I mean if they've
known each other for years.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, that guy seemed like a total tool.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, she finally lets him bone her. He should be grateful.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah, exactly, No, he wasn't. He looked like a tool bag.
And he's gonna, like, you know, revenge poorn her shit,
basically is what he was threatening. Yeah, going back to
the pregnant woman, though she's going into labor, Josh, of
course she's gonna be mad at her fucking husband for,
you know, for.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Helping a raped woman.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Well, okay, a, she didn't know that. She didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
So they get to the hospital. They get to the
hospital and she is still walking around. She's like, not that,
it's true, Like the baby is not like about to
be dangling from a fucking umbilical cord. Like that is
not what's going on.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
She would not be waiting in the fucking er waiting
room if she was that in labor. That's not how
that works.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah, Like she is super in labor in the apartment,
and then what Yeah, does anyone in the unit believe
Laney before they get their eyewitness.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
I know it's brutal. I mean Finn maybe, yeah, Benson maybe,
but they're skeptical Munch and Elliot not at all.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Like this is one of the most egregious episodes where
they blame the victim for their perception of her lifestyle
and end up dead wrong about pretty much every Yeah, like,
maybe she drunkenly throws an ashcam through the front door
of her apartment building to get in after hours, and
maybe she gets a little attached to one and done
drive by boners from her past. But she's not that
bad other than being a little flight.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
You know, I don't know her performance ranked pretty true.
I've had an experience with somebody who was not like this,
I guess, but the similar personality disorder.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
And yeah, I don't know who that would be.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
I would say it rang true for me.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Did you have PTS A little bit? I loved We're
not going to get into that.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
When they're walking around the building interviewing. I love the
scene where they're interviewing all the neighbors. You've got the
the elderly Chinese lady and the fucking punk ass kid.
What you do?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
What's it worth? Yeah? Like Stabler just wants to beat
the shit out of that kid. I love. Then right
after this where Stabler's roaring up to kick down the
door only to have it swing open. An ardly standing
like he is geared, his his leg is drawn back.
He is about to fucking really go out it. And
we've seen him kicked doors.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Open many times. We can many another thing. We should
be stealed doors in addition to the number of you
know people, the bodies that are dropped, we should be
we should be tracking the Elliott doors knocked in.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Well, we got, we got, we got bluebald here.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Absolutely Okay.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
So when the unit's trying to figure out what's going on, well,
I'm diagnoses Laney as a possible histrionic personality disorder sufferer.
I suppose I did not do any research on this,
but I have the Wikipedia page pulled down.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Yeah, I did some research. It's not I mean, it
is kind of what you think.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Of, Oh, if you did research.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
I mean I didn't do. I didn't do deep research.
I just like read the DSM. Basically, it's a pervasive
pattern of excessive emotionality and intention seeking, beginning by early
adulthood and president in a variety of context, as indicated
by five or more of the following One is either
uncomfortable in situations which he or she is not the
center of attention. Interaction with others is often characterized by inappropriate, sexually, seductive,

(47:50):
or provocative behavior. Displays rapidly shifting in shallow expressions of
emotion consistently uses physical appearance to draw attention to oneself
as a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and
lacking in detail, shows self dramatization. Theatricality and exaggerate expressions
of emotion is easily suggestible, influenced by others or circumstances.

(48:13):
Considers relationships to be more intimate than they actually are.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
So there's a numonic there is that can be used
to remember the characteristics of historyonic personality, disorder, Yeah, and
it is praise it is yeah, so provocative behavior. Relationships
are considered more than they actually are. Attention seeking influenced
easily by others or circumstances. Speech wants to impress, lax

(48:37):
detail e is emotional liability, shallowness, m makeup like personality
used to draw attention to it self and then or
physical sorry. Physical appearance used to draw attention to itself,
to self, and then exaggerated emotions. So yeah, those are
praise me. Reading down the line of these characteristics, I'm like,
oh fuck, I think that's me.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Yeah, it's a lot more were comming in women than
in men, at least this diagnosis. But who knows.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
So this is just latent misogyny, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah, it's kind of funny. I gotta hand it to Wong.
He gets to drop in for He's probably on set
for three hours that whole week and he's just getting
a check for it. Yeah, good on him. I mean,
he came in, probably was already wearing what he was
gonna wear, and they decided to do hair and makeup
and let him read that line.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Jack just walked in with a thirty pack of Hams
that was delivered by her sister. So that's cool.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Nice hold up, I'm going to get one too.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, You've got to be parched. After
that hour long dietribe about the Congress.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I felt like it was very rambling, and I apologize
for that.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I'm joking.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
All right, then, I'm back.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Thank you, Lauren. Okay, can you invoice us now? I'm
drinking a ham so nice.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Drenk a cannabliss. One of the reasons I had that
Dale's pail is that Oscar Blues does like a fifteen
pack variety pack, and it's all the beers in it
are totally fine.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, cool, what's the what's that variety?

Speaker 3 (50:11):
This one's called cannabliss. It is a citrus ipa. It's nice.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Oh, cannibliss. Okay, I get it. So it tastes like wee.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Oh yeah, I guess that's the idea. Yeah, I'm sort
of it's got that like, what do you which a
lot of ipa sort of have that kind of fresh,
hoppy weed smell. I think it would smell a lot
more like weed if if you pour it into a
glass than if you just drink it out of the can.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Okay, So where were we? We just finished history Onic Personality?

Speaker 3 (50:37):
So yeah, they history Onic Personality Disordered. They talk to
all the people in the apartment complex. This is basically
where they they find the horrible bald man across the
courtyard who's just sitting there watching the police through their telescope,
who just committed rape.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
That's a really bad movie, really bad.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
I mean everything about that guy is pretty sloppy though,
his haircut.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Hish, his window and curtains. Yeah, to get a look
at him looking through the telescope through the windows and curtains,
you'd think he was spying on Laney from a third
world time. Like it straight up looked like war torn
Berlin in it.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Like, yeah, it definitely did look like a like a
scene in was that The Lives of Others? That that
movie about Stacy? Yeah, but this guy, to me, it
was kind of like a rear window reference, only in
this version of rear window. Jimmy Stewart did it. Yeah,
he's totally a PERV.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
He's always the perv in the Hitchcock.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yeah, and in real life he is a reactionary scumbag.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
But also apparently had a massive dung.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Really, Jimmy Stewart was hung.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, hung like a horse, like maybe not Milton Burl hum,
but apparently he was very hung. You're welcome. I heard that.
I heard that on Unskay.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
I was gonna say, is this is what you learn
in Hollywood when you're actually there?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
No, I wish so. I loved Laney's outfit when she's
going into court.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Is that the man who raped me. I told you
he had one of those potbellies, and I told you
that I would come and get you when I needed you.
And what are you wearing? We went over this, you
said to look nice. Don't I look good? I think
she had a little more Sunday school in.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Mind, Leny, you looked great.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Don't listen to cap I mean falla it if you
got it right?

Speaker 1 (52:18):
And she's got it.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Now, okay, so real quick though. So the rapist theory
of the crime is that it was a violent rape fantasy.
I think evidence in this episode shows that he's full
of shit and is a terrible guy. However, in SV
and I'm Sorry in Munchmin Benson, we've seen multiple cases
of violent fantasies playing out in public stairwells. So it's

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not out of the question.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
One, there's just one in the stairwell.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
There's just one in the stairwell.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, yeah, but still it's not out of the question.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Not out of the question.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
They very quickly both acquiesced and were like no, no, no, no, no,
this is consensual. Usually when the party says it wasn't consensual.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Was generally like large stab wounds on your hand is
a sign that it wasn't consensual.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
I don't know, honestly what I've been told about the
army hammer controversy in recent weeks. A cannibal Yeah, but
it's not that cannibalism is bad of itself, it's that
non consensual cannibalism is bad.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
It's one of the most online takes I've ever heard,
and I'm a big fan of it.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
So when Cabot tells Laney to tough it out, it
seemed to highlight that undercurrent through this episode that women
are threatened by Laney's animal magnetism and want to assume
the worst of him. So it's just fucking jealousy run.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
As all over the place. The only one who wasn't
jealous of her was Nardalay. Yeah, Nardalai, who rescued her
and who's kind of a badass.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Now, I would say that the problem with this episode
is this was all just a frame.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Can we just highlight one second about her her outfit
going into court Cabot. Cabot says Monica, I need your coat,
and so Monica, who is named here but does not
have a line and therefore is not crowded. Whoever you
are I wish you got a line. You looked like
you were ready to speak if called upon, so I.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Saluted absolutely, and Monica looked. I mean, she played the
part of somebody that works at the courthouse really well.
I totally bought her performance. Yeah, for sure, I didn't
know what her job was. I don't know if she's
a clerk or.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Or something.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
I want to know more about you, Monica, email the show,
rate and yeah give us your give us the backstory
you worked out for this, But yes, rate and review
the podcast after now.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
To be fair, I don't think that that dress is
exactly what your lawyer would want you wearing to court though.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
So I'm not a doctor. But the fandom wiki says
that the timeline from when Laney first went to the
hospital to when she dies doesn't really track with Mercy.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Lady is not the kind of person that dies from
MURSA A and B. That's not how you die from MRSA.
From what I understand, I watched a good frontline about
MRSA a few years ago. It's a terrible thing, and
it's a big problem because we've over prescribed antibiotics in
the past, and so now they're antibiotic resistant strains. But
this happens to people that are already sick and already

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on lots of antibiotics, and it's basically they're in ice.
You barely alive often and these other strains start taking over.
Apparently like MRSA bacteria can they exist in lots of
people's noses. They're around, but they don't weaponize themselves unless
your immune system is prairly fucked. Now, once they do that,

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it's very hard, but it's a weeks months kind of thing,
not a two days and she's dropping dead in the
mid sentence. You know, that's not my understanding of how
that works. I also think when you raise the scepter
of necrotizing fasciitis, I don't know if you're a aware
of what that generally looks like in people. But so
it's basically when you're flesh eating bacteria, that's what that's

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the other word for it is necrotizing fashi eyed is
it causes some of the nastiest shit to break out
on people's skin. We're talking like weird purple blisters, oozing
ulcerous sores. Makeup could have really gone to town with
her whole body being covered with just cancerous, awful sores.
Like they really could have done some fun shit there.

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Even when she's dying, she's still gorgeous. They could have
made her look horrifying if they really wanted to, and
I feel it's a missed opportunity.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
So Cabot is so clearly jealous of Lady's animal magnetism
that she refuses to believe that Lady could even be dying. Yeah,
even after the doctor SAIDs that the infection has already
invaded the chest cavity. You're just like, really, cabin I
mean clearly, clearly Cabot is threatened and feels that Benson.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Yeah, but I think it's fairly clear that you know,
Laney has a thing with Elliott, not with Benson. There's
no there's no connection between Benson and Laney.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
It was Stabler's best day ever.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
She held his hand and took her top off right
in front of him, and then came out wearing the
shortest kimono I've ever seen. Great com even without the
top off, just the kimono alone would be one of
the best days of his job.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Wardrobe was really doing a good job.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
But are we at the date night. Yet No, well
we're at.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
The no, not quite not because they first we have
to sit through the horrors perpetrated us upon nard. Yes,
that was some dark shit.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
The first round of horrors, which talking about.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Her, Yeah, because then it gets eating more when they talk,
you're just like Jesus Christ. Yeah, you know the combination
of them, You're just like a gun stuck inside her.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
So these are definitely these are these were definitely bow
things that were very publicized in that time. I remember this, Yeah,
and definitely happened in large large amounts. Of course, even
one instance of either one of those things a five
year old or fucking gun is horrifying, but definitely together

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heavily publicized to kind of talk about how horrible this
fucking shit is. But still, this is.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
What show one network TV gives this fucking I.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Mean, front line does, I guess, But that's about it.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Do they say that the gun got stuck inside her sex?

Speaker 3 (58:34):
They wouldn't say it like that, but they would say that, yeah,
it gets it's really bleak. It's so bleak. It's definitely
on the not fun scale of problematic, that's for sure,
miss Ula. Do you see rape everywhere.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
The women in my village were raped. The women in
the militia compy were ripped. I was raped repeatedly by
so many men I lost count. They put their guns
in my sex and one of them pulled the trigger.

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I was in the hospital for over a year. It's
left me in continent. So yes, I have seen rip everywhere.

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That is how I know that girl was ripped.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I mean it works. It's a factedly a thing that's happening,
you know, like that's so despite the fact that it's
not fun. It's not like it's you know, police brutality
not fun.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah, it's a different than that.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
After Natalie is telling Cabot about what happened to her
her then Benson and Cabot have their dates.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
They're both really dressed up nicely.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
I'm sure they're talking about how fucked the international courts
are and the Congo, but it's still a pretty hot date.
It's at there's mood lighting. They're both really dressed up nicely.
That Benson's wearing this kind.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Of like blueish shear top over a nice dress. Definitely
something she wouldn't be wearing to work.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Now. This is a romantic but I could see no
Cabot's top is all said it's.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Purple, but it could be you could wear that to
court if you had a jacket over that. I could
see that working. I buy Cabot wearing that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
I wish I had a queue up so I could
rewind to see if Cabot's wearing a different top from
when nardalie.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
I was just looking at the dates, because you know,
so they put a new card up right before the date,
and it's it's two days after the last date, so
I'm assuming it's supposed to be a couple days later.
But yeah, they're at Drogan's Pub. It is a very
romantic place, apparently. No, no, there's there's a guy been there.
I looked up all these there's. They're kind of all

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in Chelsea, kind of west Midtown. Nothing too exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Then obviously Nartally testifies and Ice comes in.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Abolish Yeah, Abolish Ice. Nice thing about this show is
that this is making Ice the bad guy in early
twenty yeah, way before aired in March twenty ten, and yeah,
you know, Ice has been a problem since then. Ice
was bad during Obama. It's still bad now. Haven't you
noticed we're at war? Didn't notice that we were at

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war in the Eastern Congo. Didn't notice that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Yeah, fuck off, like inter Amway has any fucking interest
in anything that we're.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Doing exactly, No, what a dick. We were big supporters
of the RPF, so that's the current Rwandan government forces.
But neither here nor there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
My last note is to add to the ignominy of
having witnessed a rape and then getting sent off to
ice to ten because she testified, Nardley also had to
see Bryce's rape dick.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
She did. She had to see Bryce's rape dick, you know,
with that hair and that bald spot. It was a
it was a sad sack piece of shit dick. The
ice gy I just just made my blood curdle. I'm
just going back there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Yeah, I didn't want to get too far into the
ice ship. But yeah, he's sucked.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Yeah, and uh, I mean good on him because he's
clearly playing it that way and it was effective. Now,
the thing is the timeline for somebody quitting their career
as an Ada and going to the Congo to do law,
I guess is a little unclear to me. Now, there's
definitely various NGOs or the International Criminal Court that maybe

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somebody with Cabot's skill set could go work for But
she's just gonna get on a plane and go to
the Congo and do some fucking law over there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
It seems that's how it works in New York. You'll
find out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
That's that's not That's not how driven, career oriented people
do things. I feel like Cabot got injected with a big,
fucking heaping pile of white savior complex and decided to
go save the fucking world.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Yeah, it's like she was the lead in a fucking
Spielberg movie. Absolutely, Uh, okay, do you have any notes lefter?
Can we get to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
I just I just loved how jealous Live was. Oh yeah,
Cabot leaving and then just like and then when Cabot
tells them she just lives, just like what.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
You realize that you would be risking your life? Does
Alex know about this?

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
I told her she understands. I was very touched by
the sacrifice she is making.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
What sacrifice.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
She did not tell you, Alex?

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
Is it true?

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
I put in my papers taking a leave of absence?
What really like?

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
They just bang? I mean, or you know they just bang?
Do you know they just bang?

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
I mean? What were they doing on February eleventh, after
their date night at Drogan's Pub.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
This is right before Valentine's. It is they clearly are
ramping up towards a really, really romantic evening.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I could I could imagine, you know, live trying out
some new recipes something like that. Yeah, I mean, I
like your ben bought delusions. It's it's nice.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
I'm really I'm really in love with you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
I'm notes less, Yeah, I'm really less.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
So let's get to uh, let's get to rank in
this fucker.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
As you all know, we rank these every week. We
have four criteria on which we judge these on a
ten point scale, so we do the quality, the guess
how problematic it was, and the depth and breadth of
lives ruined. Now, let's start with that one, because in
the course of the episode itself we see a few
people's lives ruined. I would say, but how are we
to a factor in the literal tens of millions of

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people whose lives have been ruined by the course of
the Second Congo War since nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Josh, Yeah, it's really tough. Yeah, I think that nartily
is so, like, I mean, granted, at the end, she's
going to fight back, but obviously her life has been
fucking destroyed. Yeah, and we see a very immediate example
of how that war has fucking ruined in.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Just the most upsetting way possible. I mean, this person's
life has been ruined to a point that I could
never even fucking imagine. Oh yeah, and in multiple different
ways where her life has been fucking destroyed by this shit.
They really let's just doing it on a couple different occasions.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, you are not. You are not going
to have any misgivings about how fucking awful.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
And yeah, so if anybody says nord Kivu to you,
you'll know what they're talking about. And what they're talking
about is a fucking nightmarish and so on that it's
got to be pretty high, you know. Even if the
Laney story is fairly run of the mill for seasoned
munch hens.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
She dies she she is twenty four, should be okay,
and dies from fucking mercy. We've also got the bitch,
the bitch mom who's going to raise that kid, and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
We've got the dad who's gonna have a problem with
his bitch wife for the rest of that kid's life.
Because every time the dad does something wrong, the mom's
going to remind him of, you know, what happened and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
What was going on when she was going into the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Live absolutely understandably, honestly. We've also got Okay, so we've
got Elliott, who's never going to have that good of
a day at work again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Never. Yeah, he is at peak.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
He is at the Apex all down hill over here,
bro down hill. We've also got liv who's just seen
the love of her life, just going like, you know what,
I'm not even going to tell you that I'm leaving
the country and quitting my job. I'm not even telling you.
And that's pretty fucked up there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
That's it's it's a big bummer. I mean, I think
we got to be like it's got to be like.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
An I was thinking eight. I was exactly thinking eight.
Because of course, the Congo shit, as horrifying as it is,
happens years before the events of this, but still we
get to stewing in enough that it definitely factors in
for sure. How problematic was it? Again, every time Narnally speaks,
it's highly problematic. We also have the lawyer for the

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fucking rapist essentially saying that she wanted it, and he
keeps saying it fucking problematic, he really does.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
That's the entire defense, really does is just she fucking
wanted because that's the only defense he's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
And also that this woman doesn't know what rape is
is pretty fucking offensive. And the fact that Ice is
involved at all is very problematic to me. What else
do we have this problematic?

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
No one believing, none of them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Like Munch's only line in the episode is basically to
say that this victim is full of shit. He never
has interviewed this victim.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
I mean, fucking wong is, you know, diagnosing her as
histrionic personality disorder and he hasn't fuck it, That's exactly right,
you know, it's all it's all secondhand. Clearly he wasn't
available on all the days that he needed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
So this is pretty problematic. Rights seven to eight something.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
In there, like at least a seven.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Yeah, I mean that's where I feel it. It sits
because I think as awful as the details of Nardali's
experiences are, they're not fun. And I think we get
do we do give points at the higher end of
this scale for fun?

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yeah, that's where it would differentiate itself. If if it had.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Been now, the ship with Laney is fun, I would say,
you know, it is like until she dies, till she
just does, she just falls over and does.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Basically she basically just falls over.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Laney returned to her home planet.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah of smoking hot, Oh my god. Yeah. So yeah,
I think it's a seven, right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Yeah, I'll put it a seven. Okay. The guests. I
also think the guests are very good. I thought they
were all They are sold, every one of them, and
they had to do some work. Like Laney was the
whole first third of the episode and Nardal is the
whole second two thirds of the episode, and they're both excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
And with with it. Shithead Magoos, you know, the rapist
the races, he's really good as being around.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
And the ice guy is really good at being a
fucking shithead.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
And the couple who's never going to have another kid.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
I loved. I loved their their I loved every line
between them where he's like, every time she needs a
light bulb, change, sure to touch her bed. I never
touched her bed.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Yeah, I never flipped her mattress. Yeah, and even had
defense attorney. He's good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
I mean, we've seen him a lot. He's he's one
of the better defense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
We've only seen. We've only seen him in one other crazy.
This is the first time Bets you and I have yes, okay, yeah,
I checked all of them. He's been in twenty four episodes.
I think I believe as defense during every single one.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Of them, because he's definitely one of the canonicals.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
In twenty three. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
I mean along with mister Hargate, he's like one of
the canonical defense attorneys. Well and Delaney, yeah, exactly, or
Delancy Slaney Williams. Right now, I don't think any of
them are like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
I mean, I think dior A bred into Cida Erica Echolona.
I think they're both really fit and like actually memorable.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Yeah, and they're doing enough that even though neither one
of them is you know, they're not Mark Paul Gosler
or something. This episode only works because of that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
I can tell you I'd much rather watch dior A
Bird than Mark Paul Gosler. But that's the same.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Yeah, but you know what I mean, Like they're not like, yeah,
you don't turn it on, you go, holy shit, it's
that guy. It's it's a little different, but I thought
they were all Actually they.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Also both have sort of more like nuanced difficult roles
that they have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
To absolutely and they do that. I think they both
do it really well. I think this is at least
an eight also, right, I think it's yeah, And.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
I wasn't sure we'd get here, but no, but I
think this episode's gonna end up reading really highly because
of all that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
I went this way because I think this is the
one where it's not It kind of doesn't add up
quite as much. It's not that good despite all of
the ship it's not that good.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
It's yeah, it's kind of crazy, like I mean, it's average.
I think it's a five probably, but.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
I think it might even be a four because it's so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Oh no, see, I love I love how insane is
And you go from you go from this case that
what you what? I really did not think it was good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
We go from yeah, we go from a history onic
personality disorder to vic dies, from MRSA to the Congo.
So one of the main cast members, you know, like
top of the board main cast members, is gone.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
She has left Live for good by.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
And try and she's not coming back. She's gone for
for a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Yeah, Season thirteen premieeres when she comes back.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
So you're pushing for a four, I would say five
or six, So I think five is fair, right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
I think five is fair. Yeah, So, I mean it
comes out it's a seven. It's it's fairly high. But
I think it's so bonkers that it deserves it, because
it's a really memorable episode. For one thing, I mean,
Cabot leaves.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Just Stabler has his best.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Day, and you know, and the I mean the stuff
with the Congo is so dark that you can't want
you can't actually listen to that and not come away
a little bit shook. So I think it warrants that
let's see what's in the neighborhood. So I'm looking a
little bit further back. The first Cheery Apple be episode

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we watched, Military Justice came in at a six seven five,
just below it, and Hunting Grounds some.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Matter episode but doesn't doesn't take off.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Yeah, exactly. It's kind of the opposite of this one.
Hunting Ground. The Long Island Serial Killer one came in
as seven two five, which ticks some of the boxes
really high.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
But I think this is right there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
I guess weren't really in that. Yeah. No, And it's
so like, I feel like this is one that we
will come back to because it was so crazy that
when something like this happens again, we're going to bring
it up or like, yeah, if there's any more Ben
Bought action, then we're definitely going to think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
I mean, and guys, there'll be more acts.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
You might think that Josh and I are just being
like Lewde children in the bodies of forty year old men.
But this scene with this is a new cabin is.
I know it's a thing, but this is a date
that they're on. They're dressed for a date, yes, and
it is a romantic setting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
There's no getting around that this is a date.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
They're not joined by anybody else, they're not sitting at
the bar. It is a date, man. Yeah, good on them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
I feel like there's a candle at the table, but
I maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
There's definitely no. I'm I'm almost positive there was a
candle because the way that they're both of their kind
of like glow and maybe a blue and Cabot had
a purple top on. They were both kind of shimmering.
They're both kind of shiny, but dark iridescent tops. It's lovely.
I feel a beautiful scene.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Yeah, lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
So yeah, I think we can get out of this
one and roll the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Firing up the randomizer, which is powered by flat over
at episode dot lol, picking an episode the tape spinning
fun and we've got chat room from season one, episode eighteen,
when a teenage girl comes into the squadroom to tell
the detectives that she was raped by a man she

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met on the Internet. The detectives set up a special
sting operation, but end up stepping on some highly placed
toes as Munch plays the kid to net the big fish.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Okay, so I'm looking at the guest stars. Ben Shankman's
in it pause de laa, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
I'm really excited about this because I think it could
be one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
If it's the episode of thinking it is, I'm super
jazzed too. But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
If it is just like an episode from season one
where they're really thinking about the Internet, is going to
be a lot of fun.

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So oh yeah, yeah, it's gonna be like lawnmower Man.

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All right, we got Marine and Kathy Stabler. I think
those are the only two stablers we've got besides Elliott
in this one. But yeah, it should be a lot
of fun, so I guess until next time. Hopefully they'll
be less world history lessons to get to in this one.

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But we'll see. If it's the one I think it is,
it actually might not be and there might be more
world his.

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Excellent. I could be wrong, all right, guy, Well we'll
talk about that next week.

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Peter, Hello, Peter Amy.

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Seven?

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