53 - Nips Out on a Gurney (S5E13 Brotherhood) - Munch My Benson: A Law & Order: SVU Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Victims. A white male eighteen's early twenties. Looks like something's
been shoved up as a you know figure we throwed
as the special victims. Good call. What kind of security
does this place? Half building has been locked up on
nights and weekends, but anyone with a pocket knife can
break in. I mean who steals sew it?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
You look a ding the victim.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
The wallet, no clothes, no nothing, keep looking all right?
If use, it creates artificial turbulence in the aeration tanks,
and the swirling action keeps solid from rising to the surface.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
So that's why the body didn't slow.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
How long would decomposition take.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
There's about ten trillion micro organisms in that sludge.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Anything organic they eat. Best guess about a week.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
The body's still intact, but I bet the microbes had
enough time to eat up all our trace evidence. Whoever
dumped their victim really knew their crap.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
In New York City, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
These are their stories.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Hey guys, welcome to munch my bence and my name
is Adam. I am coming to you from my mother
in law's office in Houston, Texas. Joining me on the
line is my co host Josh, how is it up
in the North Country Josh.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Not great. Yeah, yeah, yep, I'm one step removed from
having been within that like infection bubble of a person. Yeah,
and I am at present as we record waiting test results.
It's been five days since my wife was in contact

(02:02):
with this person, but they tested positive two days later,
and it was two straight days where my wife was
with that person.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
So fingers crossed, knocking on wood.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I've had a who knows if it's psychosomatic or just coincidental,
but a bit a sore throat for three days. Yeah,
and you know, every time my throat even itches, this
entire fucking pandemic, I have, you know, a jumped jumped
to the conclusion that I am dying. So well, I mean,

(02:35):
I don't have it. I don't. I'm not confirmed to
have it yet. If if I do, the symptoms thus
far have been very mild. But yeah, still, well that fun.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
That is not fun. I've had a shitload of stuff
going on. We went to Austin last week for my
wife's birthday. Of course we both met. We met each
other in Austin and I lived there for thirty fucking years,
you know, One nice thing about the pandemic is if
for some reason you have an excuse to travel that
seems reasonable. Let me tell you, hotel room rates are

(03:10):
the cheapest I have ever seen. We stayed in a
very nice place, the Line, which is the former Ratison downtown.
It is a swank place, man, and we got a
you know, old school Radison like rate for it. So
that was pretty nice.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I'm assuming you're by swank. You mean like Swank the magazine.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yes, it is like Swank the magazine. No, man, it's
it's like it is like well appointed. I was shocked,
like yeah, I mean, first off, I was shocked that
there was no TGI Fridays in the in the first floor.
But then I was shocked at how nice it was.
I mean, dogs stayed for free, so that was exciting.
We got to, you know, wander around kind of the

(03:52):
old stopping grounds a bit. I think one great thing
about Austin is that there's so much you can do outside,
especially when the weather's you know, every restaurant has a
patio things like that. So we could basically experience Austin
the way we used to, with just kind of minor differences.
But I got to see some friends, which was really fun.

(04:12):
Got to see the bats fly out, which was cool.
Now Austin is different. It's kind of a cliche for people.
I know, we have many listeners that have spent time there,
but it is a cliche. When people leave Austin and
come back, they're like, oh, it's totally different. It is
totally different. Like, there are entire neighborhoods. Again, I lived
there for thirty years and there are entire neighborhoods that

(04:34):
look nothing like they did four years ago, much less
twenty years ago. Now. The one thing that's kind of
most shocking is just how And this is something that's
always been a problem with Austin, the kind of wealth
disparities in Austin. Now, it used to be that it
was almost like a distance thing. So if you could
live in central Austin, so to speak, you were usually

(04:56):
fairly well off or at least willing to live in
a shitty apartment, and then kind of the poor people
get kind of pushed further and further towards the fringes.
That is different now Austin's downtown is it's a lot
like La There is big homeless camps all over the place,
and it really hits home. How just the disparities that exist.

(05:22):
You know, these people that live in glass fucking towers
or god, I don't even know if people live in
those things. They might just be you know, like basically
tax dodges for billionaires. I think a lot of them are.
They're these glass towers all over the place. Nobody goes
to work in office buildings anymore. Downtown during the day

(05:42):
was the most that I've ever seen. It was dark,
and then there's just homeless camps everywhere. It's weird.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yeah, I mean with all the condos downtown, it was
all basically just the occupancy was so low, and you know,
they were going for they were going for four or
five hundred thousand dollars for an okay condo that if
you're rich enough, you can then just claim Texas as
you stayed a residence and not spend any time there.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
But yeah, it's weird, but it was nice. It was
nice to see, you know, friends and family, and you know,
it's nice to go out to restaurants. This first time
I've really gone out to restaurants in a year. Feeling Galveston.
It's not even it's just not worth it right, like
even to sit outside. They're just not good enough. It's like, okay,
I just cut that out of my life. But in
Austin there was you know, it's great. So it was fun.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, you got to see friend of the pod uh
DIVORCEO Save.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, I got to see Divorcio Suave, the the man
behind our intro music, which was fun. He took us
out on the water, We got to see the bats
fly with him, got to see some other some other
friends of the pod. Yeah, so that was fun. That
was different. It was it was nice to do something
like that. Was totally a different experience. And this is

(06:55):
the first time I've done that in a while. We've
had I don't know, my favorite polytical sex scandal in years.
I think I want to say happened this week.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, it's pretty pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Matt Gates. If you guys aren't familiar, he is a
Florida congressman who just look him up. Man, it's it's
it's too much.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
We really look forward to the about him.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, it's I feel like I've already seen this episode
and probably dismissed it as being unrealistic. But these guys
were basically paying seventeen year old girls to have sex
with them and like paying them and Venmo basically like
sending them a Venmo payment with with like the message
that's like eggplant emoji, peach emoji, tongue emoji, a little

(07:38):
like sweat droplets emoji. You know that's what they're That's
what they're paying them with. Yeah, not smart really radically.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
How dumb can you be?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
I mean, there's a lot going on with these guys.
It is. It is something that's Florida. And I guess
the last thing. I mean, we're kind of racing through
this stuff because there's one more thing we need to
talk about out because we both watched a you know
film I would call the cinema It's Maniac Cop too.
It had I think it was Michael Lerner was the

(08:11):
thread that brought us here. Michael Michael Lerner was, I
guess the police lieutenant in this film. This movie is
a wild ride it I guess it is a Robert zdar.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Sort of star vehicle.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Sort of star vehicle. He is the titular maniac cop. Yeah,
but it's it. It kind of I think it takes
a couple different boxes for us because it is a
gritty New York film from like the you know, eighties nineties, but.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, like eighty nine nineties.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
But it is also so that kind of fits in
with a shakedown and fucking Knight of the Juggler. But
it is also a LA for New York. Fell like
an obvious LA for New York film, which fits in
with Look Who's Talking Now, which was also an obvious

(09:10):
la for New York film because you know what, Josh,
do you know what New York doesn't have kind of
like Mountain Roads with the sweeping views of a reasonably
small downtown, right doesn't have that la does?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah? I can speak from having lived there.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, it was a very fun ride.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, it's a ton of fun. I mean, it's got
Bruce Campbell, it's got Claudia Christian, who this is the
second Claudias Claudia Christian movie that I've been talking about
on the pod.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Really.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
I also watched a nome name Norman.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Oh nice. She is For those of you familiar, she
is I think most well known from Babylon five. Yeah,
she was the main chick from Babylon five. Man, there
are stunts in this movie, though she is handcuffed to
a steering. We'll outside of the car and she is
driving the car. And what's great is that it is

(10:06):
clearly not a I don't know, one hundred and eighty
five pound man wearing her outfit that is on the
outside of that car.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah. Yeah, it's super fun.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I really enjoy Maniac Cop too. For the shower prison
scene where we see how Robert Zitar was turned into
the Maniac Cop. I know Josh probably was excited to
see Robert Ziitar's bare naked ass like most of America.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, yeah, we were all waiting with baited breath. Yeah,
I mean it's it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah. It also has Robert Dovey, who basically, you know,
fuck that guy. All right, Well, I think we need
to get to this episode because I think we have
a lot to talk about here. Yeah, we watched an
episode from season five where am I yees? Season five
episode twelve, we watched Brotherhood and we'll just get into it.

(11:10):
You guys will see where it's going pretty quickly. Highly
recommend watching this one. It has some of the most
shocking dialogue I've ever heard on network television. Yeah, it's
a typical Sunday at the wastewater treatment plant, where time

(11:31):
plus feces equals money. One problem, a foreign object is
clogging up the works. Something has been shoved into a
place where it doesn't belong. In this case, it's the
body of a young man dumped in one of the
aeration tanks that appears to have had its own foreign
object shoved where it didn't belong in the butt. If

(11:54):
the cold open wasn't gross enough for you, Warner gives
us the dirt on our vic. The putrivica of the
abdominal cavity means the body must have been in the
tank since Saturday night, long enough for most of the
evidence on the body to decompose, but not long enough
to destroy the pyres in his scalp, the exotic wood
and horsehairs in his anus, or the frat tat on

(12:16):
his arm, which allowed Warner to id the VIC. A
big shot at taw Omega named Tyler Henry, who'd already
been reported missing by frat brother Rob Sweeney. Rob shows
Benson and Stabler Tyler's room, where they learned about his
vast empire of shady revenge porn websites. He'd been raking
in bookoo bucks from hardcore porn advertising, and even had

(12:38):
a site devoted to his own sexual conquests, one of
whom looks quite familiar to anyone who has watched sports
in the last twenty five years. Munch and Finn talked
to a bar owner who'd seen his off night business
explode after Tyler started a wet t shirt night at
the bar. Tyler would then film the contestants and use
the videos for his sits Everybody's Winning Right. Well, one

(13:02):
young lady was not pleased about having quote her goods
plastered all over the internet, and she sued Tyler and
the bar owner. They were represented in that case by
Xander Henry, who, in addition to having the most preposterous
name we've seen on SVU, leads them to the plaintiff,
one Chloe Spears, who is a college athlete. More on

(13:25):
that later. Well, she was justifiably pissed at Tyler. At
the time of the murder. She was demolishing an IVY
League basketball team, so she couldn't have done it. Warner
provides a solid clue the foreign object in Tyler's anal
cavity was a high end violin bow and Finnex Makata
manages to find a violinist who pledged at tao Omega

(13:48):
named Nathan Angelie. He'd been voted out of the frat
only last week because he didn't understand the quote concepts
of bonding and unity. Nathan's dorm roommate Will carry another
failed tau Omega pledge points Elliot and live towards Nathan's girlfriend,
Alicia Morley, who just so happens to be another of

(14:08):
Tyler's conquests and who just finished a research project on
the very same sewage treatment plant where the corpse had
been found. Nathan and Alicia are hauled in for questioning,
where Alicia fingers Will for the murder. Next we see Will.
He's in Bellevue with a ruptured spleen after running his
car into a wall, and he immediately confesses to the murder.

(14:30):
Since we are already discussing bail and plea bargains, you'd
be forgiven for assuming that the next half hour will
be filled with a buy the number slog towards a
dick wolf. But you would be wrong. Guys. This is
the male rape trauma episode and we are about to
hear all about it. According to Will's attorney, Tyler Henry

(14:50):
sexually assaulted Will during the pledge, including sodomizing him with
a wooden paddle. George Wong's interview with Will confirms the
rape trauma Sin diagnoses, but Novak isn't convinced that his
theory of the crime holds water. In her view, Will
didn't fight back enough against the assault, and therefore it
wasn't rape, and the hunt is now on for the

(15:12):
bloody paddle handle To prove the case, Alicia shows up
at the SVU office with the tau Omega initiation ledger
that she'd stolen from the frat. While explains in gory
detail the dysaudian perversity of the initiation rights. It is
fruit of the poison tree and will be nearly impossible
to use in court. Still, the ledger clearly corroborates Will's story,

(15:36):
so while he's getting off with a light sentence, Novak
turns her sights on tau Omega a little threatening gets
Nathan to testify that Rob Sweeney was involved in all
the frat's worst excesses. Rob is being represented by Tyler's dad,
Xander Henry, whose ethics in taking this case are highly questionable.
He's a crack attorney though, and gets the ledger tossed.

(15:58):
At the trial, Rob comes off off as an evil
little shit, but the case against him runs into a
rough patch when Nathan changes his tune about the frat
in a bizarre attempt to repledge. They really need to
find that bloody paddle. Elliott checks everyone's call logs and
discovers an unusual number coming from the mortuary to Xander
Henry's home three weeks after his son's funeral. They'd been

(16:21):
trying to reach him regarding his son's personal effects, and
he brusquely told him to burn all of them. Thankfully
for our case. They were still waiting in line to
be incinerated by the time Elliott arrives. There, amongst a
box of condoms in a high school letterman's jacket is
that awful pledge paddle, which has definitely been placed As
the sun doesn't shine. Elliott and Xander have a heart

(16:45):
to heart about how Tyler knew that Rob was sadistic,
and while questioning Rob, Xander Henry accidentally on purpose gets
the pledge ledger readmitted, which of course gets Rob Sweeney
serious jail time. Elliott and Xander hearted out one last time,
and we are left with a I'm going to need
to see those TPS reports about Brotherhood Dick Wolf.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Oh a A one one thing. It's putrefaction.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh it is not. Yeah, it is puture faction, not putrification.
That is correct. That is embarrassing. I did a foreign
object sodomy reference count, basically checking out what seven no, no,
no no one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty,

(17:42):
twenty one, twenty two, twenty two times in the episode
was being sodomized by a wooden object.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
That's a lot.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's a lot.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
I would assume that's the most of network TV history.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
I am amazed that somebody did say, hey, guys, this
is like the eight o'clock hour. I don't know if
this is okay.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Fucking hell yeah. S and P must have had fucking.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Nightmares seriously, or they were on vacation or something when
it came out. Yeah yeah, yeah. Thirty seconds in and
we get our first anal rape with a foreign object message.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah yeah. They waste no time, I suppose before before
we get to all the all the antal rape talk.
We should probably talk about our guest stars.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
I think that one needs to be spoken about before
all the rest, because I'm pretty sure this person is
definitely inner circle. Yes, maybe the best athlete full stop
of all time. Yeah, definitely more in the conversation than
anybody else we've seen in NSVU, that's for sure. Yeah,

(18:58):
and we're talking about Serena Williams. Here. Serena Williams plays
the Chloe what's her name, Chloe Spears, Chloe Spears. Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
She is the winner of twenty three Grand Slam singles titles,
which is the most in open era history. Yes, so
since pros and amateurs were allowed to compete in the
Grand Slam, she has the most. She you can also
add in another fourteen in women's doubles and two in
mixed doubles. Yes, I mean, like there's there's a very

(19:30):
short list of people who are in the conversation for
greatest athlete of all time. She is absolutely in the conversation.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, there's I don't know that there's any other tennis
players that are. And she's clearly the greatest women's tennis
player of all time. That's I don't think that's a question.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah, I mean, I think you could maybe argue federers
in the combo.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
But yeah, but I mean, but Orna Doll. I mean,
don't get me.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Wrong, I don't think the doll's in the combo.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Men's tennis has great players, but that's just like Serena
Williams has been able to dominate the sport whenever, it
seems like, whenever she wants to, and when she doesn't
want to, she might take a break for a couple
of years. But uh yeah, and in true SVU fashion,
we see a photo of her. Uh I would call

(20:19):
it being done dokey style. We don't see any goods
on display, but yeah, it's definitely you know, I would
never I guess I wouldn't ever see Lebron James post
in such a in such a manner, or you know

(20:40):
who else? Who else can we put in that?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Megan Rapino, I don't think they would do it to
Megan Repino.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
No, I don't think they would either. I don't think that.
I think Megan Rapino is from a different era at
this point. So two thousand and four, two thousand and three,
two thousand and four was a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
In the cause yeah, yeah, I wonder if they would
have done that with with like Steppie Graff or Martina Hingis. Yeah,
like would they have done that, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I don't know. Maria Sharapova maybe, but I don't think
she would have done it. She was kind of too
big time and modeling. I think. Yeah, it's definitely something
you don't see every day.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
No, pretty jarring, but let me.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Tell you, she is uh stunningly ripped when we see
that interview with her.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yes, yeah, I thought it was okay. So I somehow
did not know that she's married to the Reddit co founder.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
No, I didn't know that either. This is another thing
I learned.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, not that I'm not trying to define her by
other people in her life, well, not trying to do that.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
So this was after this episode was filmed right after
she had won what they called the Serena Slam. So
she finally won all four Grand Slam titles, the Australian, French,
US and Wimbledon. And she kind of took a break
now also and she kind of stayed out of the game,
not really stayed out, but basically wasn't as dominant for

(22:11):
a couple of years after that point, but right in
that time also her one of her older half sisters
was murdered in a really strange case. So her name
was Yetunda Price, and she was murdered in Compton, in
the LA area. And apparently she and her boyfriend were
and they're they're considered to be completely innocent in this.

(22:33):
They were parked having a conversation or making out or
something outside of a drug like a crack house basically,
and the people defending the crack house assumed that they
were I don't know, casing they joined or something like that,
and they came out and just blew them all away.
But pretty sad. But that also happened, I mean really

(22:53):
a couple months before this episode was filmed. It happened
in September two thousand and three, and so it's like, yeah,
no shit, she took a break from the sport. Not
only did she like reach the mountaintop she won all
the Grand Slam titles, but also her sister died in
pretty horrible fashion, and so she took a little break.
And really, I mean, Serena Williams, just the coverage of

(23:15):
her has been kind of brutal over the years. Just
the double standard about her her mental part of the game,
which I think is kind of you can't question. It's
just just the level of dominance that she showed, is
she shows she still does is is like nothing else
in any sport really. I mean maybe Jordan for but

(23:37):
Jordan did it for you know, eight years. Yeah, Serena
Williams been doing it for twenty five.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Anyways, so she's in the episode and it's pretty strange,
and she's not in it for very long, but there
is one very compromising photo of her that is not
She's not like featured on the screen. It's it's like
there's six in a website kind of you know, like thumbnails,
but one of them is totally Serena Williams. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
So, moving off of the possible goat, moving off of
the possible greatest athlete of all time, we've got Gary
Cole who's playing Xander Henry.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
He was at Illinois State in the late seventies and
early eighties and then the Steppenwolf Company. With both of
those times, he was there with Lord Metcalf and John Malkovich.
He's probably best known as either Bill Lumberg in Office Space,
Mike Brady and the Brady Bunch Movies, or Kent Davidson
in Veep, the last of which he was nominated for

(24:43):
Outstanding Guest Actor Emmy and won a SAG Award for
Best Ensemble Cast. He had recurring roles on Suits, The
West Wing, The Good Wife, and Entourage. I think, personally,
I think the best work he did was in the
nineties southern horror series American Gothic, what I've talked about

(25:04):
here before, where he plays the evil sheriff who sure
seems like he's the actual devil incarnate. He also does
a ton of voice work, like so much voice work.
He is Harvey Birdman, he sure is. He's Harvey Birdman,
attorney at law, and he voices workering parts on Archer
and Bob's Burgers. Yeah he's He's ubiquitous.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, he is everywhere. He's literally everywhere speaking of Bob's Burgers.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Because the next the kind of weird like next to
Serena Williams having a bit part, the next weirdest bit
part is Kristin Shall as the mortuary attended. Yeah, this
is like this is like her fourth credit exactly exactly. Yeah,
she's also ubiquitous.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
She's she's a huge alt comic. You've seen her in everything.
She's a stand up, a writer, performer. She wrote a
sex humor book called The Sexy Book of Sexy Sex
with her future husband, former Daily Show writer Rich Blumquist.
She was a special correspondent on The Daily Show. She

(26:13):
was mel in Flight of the Concords and Carol Pelbasian
in The Last Man on Earth. She does a ton
of voice work, most notably as Sarah Lynn on BoJack Horseman,
Mabel Pines on Gravity Falls, and Louise Belcher on Bob's Burgers. Also,
so yeah, I mean she's in She's in so much.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Stuff, exactly. Yeah, I guess next.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Elden Yeah, yeah, Eldon Henson.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, he plays will Carrie, The The Raped, and Raper.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah. I think he's most recognizable. Most recognizable for playing
Fulton Read in the Mighty Ducks trilogy, and he was
Doggy Nelson in Daredevil and then played Foggy Nelson through
the rest of the MCU whenever he pops up.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
So yeah, but he's He's also been in a ton
of other things, Dumb and Dumber and Lords of Dogtown
and a bunch of other ship like that. His roommate
uh was played by Noah Flice, who has also fairly
recognizable He was in Brick. He was Tugger and Brick,
the Joseph Gordon Levitt uh fucking whatever Suburban Johnson drug

(27:30):
dealer movie. It's Ryan Johnson, like contemporary film noir. It's
it's I know you hate it, but you're like the
only person I know. It's just it's so fucking good.
It's just because I have a visceral hatred of Joseph Cordila.
It's not it's not the film's fault.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
But the movie's so fucking good anyway. Everyone should watch
it and ignore Adam so uh He. Noah flies also
had a pardon storyteller the Todd Sollins movie. I do
not remember the movie well enough to remember who he played.
He's in a later episode of SVU called Catfishing Teacher

(28:09):
from twenty sixteen. He's also the titular Sam in Josh
and Sam, which is like a road movie where it
features like a young Jake Gyllenhall, Stephen Tabolowski's in it,
Martha Plimpton's in it. His brother, who he goes on
this road trip with, is played by Letter Kenny co

(28:30):
creator Jacob Tierney, which I was kind of shocked by.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, we've got Clayton Lebuff who is playing Vernon Spears.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Serena Williams dad is played by Clayton Lobuff. Kind of
a mind melder right here.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, total brain melter here because he is
this is like a double like a double brain melter,
because he was Orlando in the Wire. Yes, but he's
also Colonel George Barnfather in both Homicide Life on This
the series and the movie. Yes, like he's in thirty
plus episodes of Homicide.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
So he's very very much a recognizable person in the
munch averse. And if I'm not mistaken, it is Munch
and Finn who are questioning him.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, he's been in forty five episodes of television that
Munch was in that world.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yes, yes, yeah, so kind of a problem.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
No No, not only did Munch and Finn interview him,
but he took a shot at Munch. So yes, yeah, yeah,
a guy on his own unit in on the Sideline
on the street.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah yeah. So then he also appears. He appears in
pretty much all of the David Simon stuff. He plays
Benjamin Hooks in Shell Me a Hero, and he was
Scoogy in the Corner. He also he's appeared in two
episodes of Criminal Intent and one of the Lawn Order
original series.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
He was in The Meteor Man two, which he was photo.
I don't think he had a very big part, but
it's a fun movie.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah, because that's his first credit, I believe. Then I've
only got two more left. I've got pel James, who
was playing Alicia Morley. She was one of the victims.
I think it was Cecilia Sheppard and Zodiac and she
was I closed her page. I didn't write a character's name,
was Celia something?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, yeah, Zodiac, you're talking about Cecilia Shepherd and Zodiac.
She was Lorna and the Lincoln Lawyer. She was sun
Green and Broken Flowers. Not like big parts in any
of these, but in them, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
And she had bit parts in Fanboys and Peppermintles. Peppermint
was kind of okay, I guess. And then lastly, I've
got Toby Moore, who doesn't really have many credits. He's
playing Rob Sweeney the thing that I thought he was
in that was sort of interesting. I haven't seen it,
but Peter Yates in two thousand and three did a

(31:00):
TV movie adaptation of the John Knowles novel A separate
piece which it also featured Jacob Pitts, who friends of
Justified or fans of Justified would recognize. And then it's
got Aaron Ashmore, Alison Pillen, Hume Cronin in it.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
So I guess the last one we could mention is
Jefferson Slinkard, who was the bartender at the what I
would call the second, the second rapist bar in New
York City.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Yeah, Yeah, at Moose's Bar.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah. He's been in two episodes of SVU. He comes
back in two thousand and nine for an episode called
Zebra's He's also in an episode of Criminal Intent. He's
been in a couple other things, not too much the
one that he was in Catch me if you can.
But the one that looks interesting to me is called
Season of the Hunted and I will read you the

(31:54):
tagline from IMDb hillbillies with Internet access use a website
to lure sportsman to their isolated cabin with the promise
of cheap room and board, and then release them into
the woods and hunt them. It's directed by Ron Spurling,
so it seems like a kind of cut rate. Was
it called.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
The most dangerous game?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Dangerous game exactly, So it seems like a kind of
low budget dangerous game. Yeah, but yeah, that's all I
got for that. I did look up the one address,
which was Moose's Bar, and it's at five point thirty
six Hudson Street, which would place that square in the

(32:34):
West Village. It actually that address well is in the
middle of an intersection, but that doesn't matter. It's Hudson
and Charles Street. But the closest place to it is
a pretty shitty looking sports bar called Bayard's Alehouse. So
kind of kind of fits the bill being in the
West Village it is. You could squint and see it

(32:57):
being frequented by NYU student.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Although this it's kind of it'd be kind of a
walk though.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
It'd be kind of a walk. It's not exactly where
like the dorms would be. They would be kind of
more on the other side of Washington Square Park. This
is the west side. There would be more by astor place.
That's where you kind of think of of like the
NYU drag of you know, university district. It is also
just kind of a block away from the White Horse Tavern,

(33:27):
which is I think we've talked about it before. Actually, yeah,
the one where it's I guess most well known for
where what's his name, Dylan Thomas, Jack Harrowhack drank and
Dylan Thomas famously drank himself to death there. Yeah, exactly. So, Yeah,
it's a you know, a stretch of bars nowadays kind
of mostly at least you know, yuppies and tourists, but

(33:52):
at one point, you know, the Intelligentzia would drink there.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I have to say that I have a hard time
buying buying Moose as the proprietor of a bar like
this in this neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, so yes, Moose looks like a discount version of
Ogre from the from the Revenge of the Nerds series.
I forget the actor's name, but.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
He looks like he would be if he owned a bar.
It looks like it would be a roadside bar that
a bunch of bikers go to. You know, that's the
bar that Mooso.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
It looks like a bar that Patrick Swayzey would would
uh you know, like redo the security for That's what
it looks like.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Right right, It's it's where he went he he is
the proprietor of a bar that Swayzey goes to that
Dalton goes to after.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
The double Yeah, exactly, or that he stops at for
a beer when he's trucking in Black Dog. You know,
this is definitely for sure a late Swayzey establishment. You
know there is chicken wire around the bandstand. Yeah yeah
not not not college night.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Also, what bar in this like since the turn of
the century was doing wet t shirt nights and was
doing that with a.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Whole The concept of their wet t shirt concept is
straight up like, Okay, we're gonna get them in and
get them drunk and then get them naked. It's like
it's like the whole business model is date rape. That
is the business model.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, oh for sure, Yeah, no it is. It is
built on the back of date rape.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Uh well, you know, salute to the writers for coming
up with this shit.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
So I guess we should get into the episode notes.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Huh Yeah. So the first notes I have are about
wastewater treatment because somebody did their homework.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
On this, I would I went down. I had to
positive immediately. I was like, I don't know, I feel
like a diffuser motor is just made up bullshit.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
It's not It's totally not bullshit.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Now.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
The thing is, they are kind of discussed how the
mechanism of wastewater treatment works, and I did some research
on this. You have, like different places have different steps,
But the first step is screening, so large objects like
logs or dead bodies get screened before it comes into
the wastewater treatment plant. Yeah, and then it kind of
gets pumped around through these various tanks, which just moving

(36:21):
around makes most of the like large solids kind of
precipitate out. They fall to the bottom as it's moving around.
And then while you're doing that, you want to aerate
it or diffuse oxygen into it. That increases the bacterial
load in the water, which helps break down the smaller solids,

(36:41):
but it.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Does also help keep the solids down. Yeah, doesn't the
aerration also like help prevent floating.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
I mean, I think so. But my understanding when I
was I mean, I did not do a huge dive
into this, but my understanding of this mostly just like
moving water around eventually causes larger things to fall down.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Like you're not going to try to get a job
there when you moved to New.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
York, I mean, the smell can't be great, but it
was kind of cool. Building. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Uh, that body in the sewage was disgusting.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
It's really department really gross. Yeah, they brought it inconsistent
work from them in this one. We'll get to what
I think is a big fail on their part later,
but but we're not there yet. Yeah, the body was disgusting.
How let's just say that the responding police officer immediately

(37:40):
knew that there was something shoved in the butt, which
I don't.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Exactly clearly, he clearly looked at the butt.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
That's the first thing he says to Stabler.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Oh, yeah, there was stuff in the butt. So there's
so much, so much talk of that in this episode.
I really like the Stabler line. Whoever dumped our victim
really knew their crap.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, No, that was great. That was a classic classic
cut to credits line, just real quick. So I wanted
to make sure that I was giving I was discussing
this episode with the proper decorum, and so I looked
up how to what I should say when we're discussing this,
and and I believe it is. The proper terminology is

(38:28):
forcible penetration with a foreign object. And just so you know,
if you guys are in eastern Los Angeles County or
in Riverside County, there are there's a defense attorney in
Temecula that specializes enforceable sexual penetration with a foreign object defense.
So so yeah, wait in the defense, Yes, it's a

(38:53):
defense attorney that.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
I don't think that anyone who's doing that should listen
to this. My next note is tau Omega again.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, the frat in a different episode that we've seen.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
It is indeed so clearly they must have done someone
some serious wrong. This is at least the second time
they've meant to have been the target of our ire.
We definitely cross paths with tow Omega in Melancholy Pursuit,
the Dodds episode that we covered back in munch My
Benson forty. Maybe they just assumed there was semen because

(39:32):
Warner's there, So.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, I did do a little bit of a just
a cursory check to see if this was potentially a
rip from the headlines thing. And there was a death
at a State University of New York campus in two
three September two thousand and three in a frat hazing incident,
but it did not have anything to do with foreign

(39:59):
object penetration, So it was probably just I don't know,
it's probably just.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Maybe a loose, loose inspiration.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
But I feel like this is a staple of their
of their you know, their storytelling.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Oh so, per the Law and Order fandom wiki, they
say Tyler Henry was the Pan Hellenic pan Hellenic Council treasurer. Yeah,
he can't have been because that's the national organization for
African American fraternity. And unless there's like a whole different
special level of white privilege going on there, he cannot

(40:41):
have been that. So, uh, the the Non African American
Council is called the Intra or inter Fraternity Council, so
that would be the primary organization for men's fraternity.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
I mean, you don't know if ta Omega has a
stomp team or not. You know, it's possible, it's possible
about this.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah, yeah, there was one black pledge there.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Was, Okay, So that was one thing I want to
bring up. It was like an oddly diverse pledge class
because there was not.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Just that oddly old. That's because they were all very
clearly mid twenties at least.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
That was the like for most of the university was Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, two of them looked like straight up thirty.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
I thought that so so the fat guy in the
black guy I think could easily have been in their
mid thirties, and two of the other ones were right,
we're pushing thirty at at best.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Right, the weird Okay, the guy who was wearing sort
of the suede sirpa jacket, Yeah, he straight up he
looked to me like he's been in another episode and
I cannot fucking play.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
But he had a speaking part of me, so we
couldn't find it in this one.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Yeah, I can't find him. It sucks. I know I've
seen him somewhere else. Maybe he's just, you know, one
of those really good background actors that you recognize.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah. But the two, the two in the foreground, the
one who the actual speaking role, they were both the
like believably I don't even know that I would say
believably college age, but at least believably.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Oh I don't think he was. Yeah, yeah, I think
he looked like he was twenty four.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah. We we find out very quickly that Tyler is
a total piece of shit. Oh my god, our victim,
our victim is not defensible at all.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
No, no, no, no, no no. He owns a website called
Off the Rack Menagerie, which is a great name for
a website, great name for a revenge porn website.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
It's I mean, it's it's not even revenge porn. It's like,
there's there's no like revenge motive. It's just this guy's
a fucking exploitative piece of shit. This guy's Joe Franklin.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
You're right, he is an exploiter. It's not that he's
it's revenge porn. It's just like any anything that women
will give him, he will turn around and try to
make a buck off of it, and also also to
prove to his buddies, you know how he's getting banged
by quite possibly the greatest athlete of all time and
chick with pink hair. But also yeah, his other website

(43:05):
is called Tyler's Free Funhouse, which is I think a
throwback to Web and Uh, which which we called fuck.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
No, it's a throw forward.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Web is whenever I get touched in an unsafe way,
I say yes and then I make a mess. That was,
of course Connor Pallow's Funhouse. I think he called it,
didn't you call it the Funhouse. Yeah, it was Freddy's
Fun Freddie's Funhouse. That's exactly right. Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
I'm just going for memory. I think that's what it
was called.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
A little bit more adult web design in this one,
I would say, uh, now.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
But I don't think the web design was better.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
No, no, no, no, I think it was better.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Web design looks like in this but no, no, it.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Looks dog shit, but it looks uh it's I guess.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
It's apt like web design of these sort of sides
did look like back then.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, exactly, it looks believable. And really I didn't have
too many notes about it because all the like, none
of the tabs were odd.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
They just yeah, there weren't There weren't weird tabs for
you to. No, there weren't weird menu site menus for
you to uh marvel.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
No. But second unit did go absolutely insane with this.
Are we to assume that they held a wet T
shirt contest? Because one of them was like four or
five different picks of a wet T shirt contest and
they were lewd like they had they.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Started feel like that was actually probably I would assume
that that was cleared cleared, uh, copyrighted materials.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
I can't imagine they actually had had a fucking second
unit to do that. I would imagine that was just
like clear damage.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Okay, okay, because they had.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Started has a ton of them. I'm sure Geddy has
tons of wet T shirt Jesus T shirt picks and
their fucking massive catalog of.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
The Munch then says we live in perverted times, my friend,
and uh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
She says a lot of things in this episode. I
was kind of disgusted by most of them. The latent
misogyny comes through kind of a lot in this one,
and you see, oh, yeah, this is why this guy's
been divorced thrice.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
But yeah, he doesn't exactly come off as as really
understanding of the issue. He basically is like, no, it's
women's fault that people exploit them their you know, sexuality
for money. That this guy's making like forty grand a
year by drugging them and taking pictures of them in
compromise situations, it's their fault. Yeah, pretty fucked up.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
So, oh, did you see Serena actually shoot the basketball?

Speaker 1 (45:46):
She didn't have a great jump shot. I would say.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
No, no, very bad form. Yeah, they definitely framed it
in a way that like you had to pay close
attention to see how poorly she shot a basketball.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
I mean, it wasn't like Sean Mary and weird, but
it was like it was like, not for how athletic
she is, it was not an athletic jump shot.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Okay, so uh god damn it. So the when we
cut to Warners talking about she's got the results back
and the two kinds of fibers in your victims anal cavity.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Line, two kinds of fibers in your victims anal cavity.
It took me all day to match the samples with
anything in our library. Plate A is the strand of
hair killers only if he's related to seabiscuit the hair
found and your victim is horse hair Mongolian stallion to
be precise.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
So maybe a sex toy or a whip or cataline.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Tails not a bad guess. A lot of floggers are
made with horse hair, usually attached to leather, though our
horse hair was bound to a rare wood known as
paranambuco imported exclusively from Brazil for the manufacture of violins
and violin bows.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
You was sodomized with a violin bow. Ah, that's really
something the belt why we watch this show. This is
why we watch this Holy shit. And then Mongolians all
hair like what.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Which which just is such a lurid description really really
brings your mind to a wild place. But they bring
it back.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Because you're like, wait, how do they get a horsetail
up that? Or a horse cor? Yeah, and then it's like, oh,
he got raped by a violinist, and that like takes
you down a whole different like it's so fucking insane.
You're thinking, wait, did Joshua Bell rape him? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:29):
No, but so pernambuco was the wood found in his
anal cavity led me down a little buco uh deep dive,
So I'm glad, yes it is. Uh. Nowadays it is
most well known as being used in violin bows, and
that is because it is nearly extinct, so it was
very expensive stuff now, but it is also known as

(47:54):
brazil would. In fact, the country Brazil gets its name
from this kind of so when the Portuguese first came
to Brazil, there's large forests of this stuff along the coast,
and it its sap produces a very red color which
can be used as a dye, which in Portuguese was

(48:14):
Hold on, let me figure out what it's called. It
really doesn't matter what it's called. Something in Portuguese that
I can't pronounce very well.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yeah, but you're gonna have to put like a sock
in your mouth to say it anyway.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
So, but Brazil was the name of the tree before,
is the name of the country, and that's where that's
where Brazil comes from. Interestingly enough, now now it is
so rare that it's really only used in very high
end applications, violin bows being the kind of the most
well known of them. But it is gorgeous stuff. It's

(48:43):
beautiful wood.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
This brings me, I guess I'm gonna skip ahead and
then jump back. But this brings me to the Hey,
it's violin. It's the Violin Cops line. Yeah, I'd love
to watch that show.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
No, what I found was interesting is now like one
has in one's mind I would call like stereotypes. You
kind of place things into different buckets, and you make
assumptions about people and about things without knowing too much
about them. And I make assumptions about pledge raping frat

(49:18):
boys and it's a different category than multi earring violinists.
That's how I would put it. I would say that
those are two different circles that do not connect. So okay,
so this is also we're talking about Greenwich Village, New
York City. So even if they're not talking about NYU,

(49:39):
which is well known for its you know, arts and
communications programs, we're still talking about like New York fucking City,
where I would absolutely believe that a student at a
big university there would have a three thousand dollars violin.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Bo oh, yes, no question about that. Would they be
also in a frat?

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Who don't I have a hard I'm believing most people
going to schools in New York City maybe Columbia, because
that's what you've got, like, you know, legacy shit, Ivy Bush. Yeah,
you got Ivy bullshit, Legacy shit. But no, that's not
why you go to school there. You go to fucking
Rutgers or something if you want to have a fucking
frat experience. Uh.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
And even then, I can't imagine the frat scene's huge
at Rutgers. But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
I mean, Jerracy is weird though.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
I mean to me, to me, the frat scene seems
so much bigger in the South.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, I mean, and that's what this frat seemed like.
A fucking It's like I could see those guys at
U T Austin. I could see that frat house at
UT Austin. That's what it looked like. It looked like shitty,
falling apart buildings in you know, West Campus that don't
really exist anymore, but used to when I was that age, right, And.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
Were those trashy ones that you would drive by on
the drag on the you know, on the east side
of the drag, north of the door.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yes, exactly those places. Yeah, and you know they have
some huge party and it's like, you know, you live
close enough to them that you've got like detritus in
your driveway every morning.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Because or you sadly work, then you have to deal
with those douchebags on a fucking you know basis. At
one point I decide, wandering.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I live right next door to one of those fucking places,
and they had a They had a crawfish boil which
ended up being a crawfish fight at about three am,
which the first time I ever had to use my
dad voice said you kids need to cut that shit
out this instant.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
And did you live you lived in a co op,
didn't you?

Speaker 1 (51:26):
I did live in a co op. I lived in
the twenty first Street co Op, which is which was
actually one of the only purpose built co ops in
the United States. It was built by co opers to
be a co op. Most of them are like, you know,
I don't know, a house just gets turned into a
co op, right right, Yeah, yeah, I did live there
for a minute. Don't recommend it if you're my age

(51:47):
with a child, but it was fun when I was nineteen.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
I bet so uh like that that confession when he's
going into surgery on a gurney, like that wouldn't be admissible, right.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
So yeah, I don't think that that would be amissible
A And also we had already talked about the you know,
you know, the Art department makeup effects. I thought that
the makeup effects on Will in that scene were lazy
at best. They basically it looked like they slapped catch up.
They smeared red on his face and upper chest and
like not, there's not like later on they have like

(52:28):
a kind of raised I don't know, like it looks
like an actual wound or something, but like not in
the scene where he's going into the curt.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Not when they were fresh wounds. Yeah, it also doesn't
it seem weird that he's nips out on a gurney
being taken to surgery out in the open, like where
Stabler in Benson can question him, Like, I mean, he
is nips out the the blanket. The blanket over him
on the gurney is really only up to like his ripcage.
Very odd shot. I was not expecting to see Aldon

(53:00):
Henson nips in this episode for the nipple guys jumping
back because like we sort of the violin stuff I
wanted to bundle together. But jumping back Rob Sweeney, who's
a real shit here, Like when he's trying to claim

(53:24):
claim like fraternity fraternity pledge privilege or some shit. I
just it's such a fucking irol moment where you're like,
this fucking privileged piece of shit, Like.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I despise police brutality, but I was really hoping that
there would be some police brutality against this piece of shit.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah yeah, and then like he says that fucking Nathan,
you know, pledged Nancy. Noah Flice's character was voted out
because all he did was wine and then like very
shortly thereafter, we find out that, oh yeah, he's whining
because fuck faced Tyler, who is dead but still a
piece of shit. I wanted you want to watch a
video of him boning boning fucking Nathan's girlfriend, Like, what

(54:06):
the like? How is that building brotherhood?

Speaker 1 (54:09):
It doesn't seem like it's a great thing to do. Now.
One thing I would notice that Nathan clearly had a
like pink hair fetish, because when Elliott and Benson go
to the dorm room where they meet Will, there are
two posters on the wall. Now, the first one is
too very kind of like it's weird because it's too

(54:31):
like totally normal looking women with pink hair. It's not
like tit lating or interesting. It's just two chicks with
with pink hair. And the next one, though, yeah, the
next one is pretty wild. It's a poster of a
most likely nude but possibly in a bikini, is a
little hard to tell given the the you know, the

(54:52):
image quality. She's wearing a cowboy hat and she's like
a I mean a pistol at what seems to be
a computer or maybe just a board. That's like sitting
in between her legs splayed apart, and she seems to
be sitting on the Bonneville Salt Flats. And the caption
says three holes down, which is, what the fuck does

(55:17):
three holes down mean? Because it sure seems to reference
for an object penetration to me.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yeah, I don't know. That doesn't It doesn't make any
sense to me. I have you been to the Bonneville Flat? No?

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I never have. I've never been in August. I've never
been west of Salt Lake City in Utah actually, or
at least in northern Utah. I've been west of southern Utah.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
But right right, yeah, Zion and whatnot?

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, Saint George, then Sat George.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
I've stayed the night in Saint George multiple times. I
kind of liked. I thought it was funny that Novak
was arguing that Will's a significant flight risk. Like while
he's interaction, I'm like, what the flying to?

Speaker 1 (56:05):
They literally brought the judge to the hospital room to
do this period. Yeah, hilarious, which the judge that was
pretty funny. It was like, can I get the hell
out of here already?

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Yeah? Yeah, Like this isn't where I'm supposed to be
this is in the courtroom now, I did. I liked
Ned Eisenberg, who's back as a Roger Kresler.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
I was gonna say. Ned Eisenberg had me laugh so
hard last night while I was writing these notes, like
in the middle of the night, next to my wife
who was trying to sleep. I'm sitting there taking notes.
And then just out of the blue, Ned Eisenberg says
to Novak.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
You know what tea bagging is? Do I want to?
I don't know. Henry made his pledges get on her
knees so he could rub his testicles across their faces.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Disgusting, but not rape.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
He's soynymized, well with the pledge paddle, that is rape.
Can you prove in? Yeah? And then like he goes
with a Peyton Manning version of tea bagging, not the
balls in the mouth of variation on the theme, which
is disappointing to me. I guess it was more because
I have to think about that piece of ship Peyton Manning.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
It's more of a car wash.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
But like, why, Okay, the best thing about that is
that it's not germane to the sexual assault at all.
Like he proffers that just willfully and then and then
is like, oh, but my client was also raped with
a pledge paddel?

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Ye like that he brings up later. That's the second thing.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
No, No, his his opening foray is tea bag yeah,
which again, I mean, it's absolutely is sexual assault. I'm
not it is and Peyton Manning is a piece of
shit and he's a sexual assault sure is. But uh,
this is this is like start with a big start

(57:52):
with a big ship there, Krestler. I mean, I'm again
totally glad that they went into tea bagging because that
was delightful.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
I mean, I'm telling you it just it goes off
the rails with the lines that are spoken in these
courtroom scenes like will he was just lying there? Why
did you? I think this is wrong saying will he
was just lying there? Why did you sodomize him with
a violin bo? Then we hear about the instructions for

(58:20):
how to date rape women in the pledge manual whatever
is the initiation guide the ledger that's right? Uh yeah,
pretty pretty odious shit for the odious shit.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Yeah, I mean I think, honestly, I think Tyler got
off easy with death by blender bludgeon.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
But I do feel like SPU is kind of towing
a fine line here. While I think there their target
audience is probably older people. They're basically giving a handbook
for how to rape people in this uh like Spiker
girls beer with grain alcohol and watch her eyes roll over.

(59:02):
Tell her she can sleep it off upstairs and let
the games begin. Just make sure you dress her again
when you're done.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Every fucking word that comes out of that ledger is
fucked now. I will I will say that, like the
way the ledger is written, you feel like it would
actually be more lewd. But they're kind of stuck by
being on network television. Yeah, Like like specifically when they're
when he says when he's having to read it, and
he says he was having to read it, yeah, and

(59:29):
and yeah, and he says, jammed it in his jammed
it in him.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Yeah, they wouldn't say instead.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Of you know, he would say in his ass, you would,
but again we're on network televison.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Yeah. They already used crap once in the episode. I
don't think there's too much they can too many times
they can go back to that. Well uh oh no,
I guess they actually use crap a few times. He'll
crap blood tomorrow, but we'll make a man out of them. Yet,
the thing that I think is the grossest aspect of
this episode is once Elliott finds the paddle, and every

(01:00:03):
time it's on screen, it's on screen a couple times.
Every time it's on screen, it has been held in
such a way that it, I mean, it looks like
a cock kind of. I mean it looks like a
brutal version of a cock. And everybody's eyes on screen
are just locked on the thing. So whether it's Kristin
Shawl or you know, Maloney or the people in the courtroom.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Well everyone but Kristin Shall knows where exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Everybody knows, and everybody is horrified by it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
I did can I would just like to say that
I really like getting Kristin shaw as the diligent Crematorium attend.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
I know she was great, she was really great. So
can we rank it? I think we can rank it, right, I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Think we're at that point, yeah, I mean I think
we're already beginning.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
To talk about it. So, of course, every week we
rank these and we do it on we have ten
points scale, we have four criteria that we judge it on,
and we're trying to you know, trying to get it
to fit inside the cannon of you know, the pantheon
of svus like where does it where does it match up?

(01:01:07):
And uh, I gotta tell you it's not perfect. No,
but it's got a lot going for it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
I think it's it's fun. It's got a bunch of
guest stars, like this is one of the most at
least for for like me watching. Yeah, this is a
lot of a lot of guest stars where it's like
oh fuck, oh great, awesome, Oh cool them too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Yeah, It's not like the mega star, but it is
close because I mean, I don't know. I mean, Lumberg
is is an iconic film role, and Kristin and yeah,
and Clayton Lebouff kind of hits that you know thing
that we love.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Yeah, scratches that itch for us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
No, But like I think the overall the episode is
uh is solid. It's not great, but I mean it
is I would probably say like a seven quality.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I think seven works. I was gonna say six or
seven because it is like it's not like completely insane
as far as just the like you're laughing the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
Right and it but it does have but it's professionally done,
and it has like a through line that like the
entire episode makes sense, and like the arc of the
episode doesn't have like some fucking crazy left turn, like yeah,
it's really servicing one plot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
We're in the courtroom after like less than fifteen minutes.
I didn't write down exactly when we first see Novak
and it's not boring at that point, which.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Yeah, it's shocking. Yeah, it's shocking to see an episode
that doesn't fall on his face when you're in the
courtroom before a minute fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Yeah, exactly. It's like two commercial breaks and we're in
the courtroom now. Okay, so we just we already kind
of like, uh, touched on the guest stars. Obviously, Kristin
Shall is fantastic in that small part. Yeah, yeah, I
love so is Clayton Leboff, you know, taking a swing
at Munch. I thought his part was fun and could
have gone on farther. Gary Cole, I think as great

(01:03:03):
as the you know, shitty lawyer, frat boy dad, you know, everybody,
kind of the one that doesn't really ring that true
to me, is is a fucking Noah Noah flies. I
think he's a good actor. But I just don't think.
I think he's the kind of miss.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
I think he's fundamentally miscasting.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Yeah, that's not his fault, but.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
I think they didn't have Serena Williams do a lot,
which is probably good because you know, obviously she's not
an actress. So and then I I did have a quibble.
I thought that when he's on the stand having to
read from the ledger, I thought Tooey Moore did not stick.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
That lady, no it could have it kind of thought bad.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
I thought his performance there was just plain not good
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Yeah, he did much better as this smug shithead than
when he tried to He.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Was pulling all of that off with ease, with a plum.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Yeah, and then he emotions that didn't really work for him.
So uh, and that that was I guess the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
You know, the pretty important that was the climax. So
to like sort of like Biff the landing there definitely
hurts in this category.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
So I mean, what do you think My inclination is
to give it a seven? Also for guests, because I
think I'm good with seven because I think I think
there's more pluses than minuses. But it's not you know,
perfection by any means.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Yeah, uh yeah, And I mean Elden Henson's kind of
just okay in this He's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
I think seven, he's seven, you know, I think for
as good as like, I think Gary Cole is the
best one that has a lot of screen time, you know.
The other the other ones that we really like are
in one scene basically or are pretty much yeah, like
Serena Williams just being Serena Williams, not for her acting,
but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
But unsurprisingly Gary colebron Yeah, I mean he's great.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
And Eisenberg Net Eisenberg.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Wow, yeah, he really slated is like two scenes. Yeah,
pretty pretty great.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
I mean usually usually the defense attorneys they're there. We
we recognize them, you know, occasionally we note them. But wow,
I I woke my wife up laughing at like twelve
thirty last night.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Yeah, I mean, god damn it. Once he goes into
tea bagging, it's just gold.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
So, speaking of tea bagging, Josh, was this episode problematic?
I don't see how we can't give it a ten.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Frankly, I mean what, like my initial reaction was probably
it's an it's an eight or nine. And then when
you gave me the count.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
I was doing. I was I was having a running
tab and for the most you gave me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
The count of forcible forceable penetration with a foreign object
of references, and it's twenty two of that's bomb.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
I mean, sometimes that's like the pledge ledger. I don't
I didn't write down each one. But sometimes it's like,
you know, sometimes it's like he was raped with a paddle,
or sometimes we stuck it in there. Sometimes it was
he's not going to be able to you know, he's
gonna be crapping blood tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
But you're still you're still visualizing a lot of awful ship.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah, And there's significant screen time given to main characters
staring at the object that was forcibly inserted.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Like they picked, they picked the thing that was just
phallic enough, yeah, to put the image in our head
every time we see it, but not phallic enough to
get get mixed by S and P. It's not a dildo,
but it's worse. It's worse than a dildo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
It hurts more.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
It just doesn't look quite as much like a dick.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Yeah. So for me, that ship is problematic. And net
Eisenberg's you know, detailed description of tea bagging is also
pretty problematic.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
And oh and I mean the the the Eldon Henson
nips nips out Gurney shot like all, I mean everything
going on in the bar, Yeah, everything going to everything
going on the bar and Tyler's whole side business is
like wildly problematic. Yeah yeah, this is this is like
across the board. This is you know, as as resoundingly

(01:07:28):
problematic and kind of like problematic across the board as
the show really.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
I think, as a like network TV show can get without, like,
you know, you're getting into some pretty dark stuff if
you get much past this one, for sure. Now the
depth and breadth of lives ruined. Uh, there's definitely some
lives ruined in this one, right, Like yeah, fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Uh, I mean a whole a whole tea bagged frat.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
The whole frat gets tea bagged. Like every one of
those like thirty five year old men has been tea
acted by Rob Sweeney.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
They've all been to the Rock Sweeney, Carlos.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Uh uh yeah, Tyler's dead, Serena Williams Uh, you know,
like sex tape on the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Uh, dozens of young.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Women, dozens of young women victimized.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yeah, Tyler's dead. What's this? Why doways forget his.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
The little bit of the tape, the little bit of
the tape that they did show of Tyler, like you know, saying, oh,
this girl from Chicago or whatever. And then they like
come in and immediately like they That is the weirdest,
the weirdest like lead up to sex that I think
I've ever seen anywhere. Like they just like they they

(01:08:51):
meet in the middle of the bed on like standing
but like on their knees. Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Good point. Yeah. No, And she's supposed to be underage, right,
she's a freshman, so it's like, so not underage, but
but damn close eighteen yeah eighteen yeah, not Matt Gates young.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
But but but not not young enough for that piece.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Not Jerry Seinfeld young but close. Uh yeah yeah wow,
we didn't even talk about that. Yeah that What the
fuck is going on with that one? Uh? Just everything
about that scene is completely insane. Do they have her name?
That must be I mean lots of people's lives are
getting ruined by this. What do you want to you
want to put a number on this one?

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
It's not it's not it's not crazy. No, no, no,
it's not it's not you know, it's not a ten.
It's not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Will's life is pretty fucking ruined though, right, he's going
to jail for a number of years.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
He was, Yeah, yeah, he's going to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Gitiously raped past.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Yeah, it's probably like a what seven or eight?

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
So you think, what what were you saying to seven?

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Yeah? I think seven probably, so what makes sense to him?

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Okay that that is not a good comparison, because there's
a goddamn robot from Rocky four and they did not
use it, which was the real fake news that we
gave it bumps because our lives were ruined by not
seeing the robot.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Yeah, the Michael Pitt episode Prodigy, we gave a seven
to I think the body count was higher in that one,
if I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Missing, yeah, because he'd killed ten people. Had he killed
ten people?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Yeah? I believe so, So the body count was much
higher in that one. But I don't know. There's something
about the foreign object raping that is just so visceral,
and so they hammered it into us a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Well, and I mean again, there are a lot of
women that Tyler victimized a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, So there's a lot of victims.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
There, and the pledge the like the pledge is comparatively
I think there most of them were victimized, probably less,
but there's still a lot of them. Even if they
are opting into this kind of there is a sort
of I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Mean we were not given a tea bag count, so
there was probably lots of sexual assault there, even if
it wasn't quite as you know, penetrative.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Yeah, yeah, but it's still a violation.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yeah, it's still a violation. It's still fucked up. Also,
at least one of them was like beaten senseless and
dragged to the er.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
So yeah, I mean, maybe maybe we're up to it.
I bet let's go eight.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
And those were goddamn men, right, And so it's like,
it's one thing when you're an eighteen year old child
and you're getting you know, broken to be a part
of a brotherhood. It's another thing when you're like thirty
five and this is happening to you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
This is like the non Tradford.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
So a recent eight that we gave the door a
Baird episode, it sucked that the bag rape boy was
going to be the last guy to a pipe in
McCollum County Witness that we gave an a two. We
also gave an eight to uh to the Michael Emerson
Erica Alexander episode ritual.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
We can't go eight on this side, don't well fuck,
I mean, both of those have such egregious things happening
in them, and like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
I mean, was this not egregious?

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
But okay, we're dealing with genocide in the Congo true
and fucking child sex slaves being.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Yeah, you're right, You're right, that's that is a tick.
This has to be I.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Think the bar, Yeah, this has to be a seven.
The bar is just so funny, Like it's not like
there's not a lot of awful things going on in
this episode, but it's.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Not the same level. You're right, even if the the
you know, the uh like mass rape in the Congo
was off screen, we do hear quite a bit about it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
You really have to you really have to think about
it time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
So basically what we're saying here is we think that
us not getting to see a greater robot is at
the same level as Eldon Henson getting raped by a
wooden paddle.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
There was a lot of other stuff real news. I mean,
there's kind of the like entire decline of our fucking democracy. Okay, yeah,
it's like true.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Okay, so seven so seven gives us a seven seventy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Five seems very high.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
But okay, I feel like this, I mean, this was
so problematic, Josh, I mean just the.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
It's no, it's super problematic. I'm not saying it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
It's not like what what is higher? What's the last
one we did that was higher than this? That'll be
an interesting The last one we did that was higher
than this? Is that for real?

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
So that's why I'm saying seven to seven five is hot. Yeah,
Web was a seven five, second or third highest Web
was a seven point five, and Web was obviously one
that we really enjoyed. The last one that was higher.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Was the first episode of the you know Craigan saga
rodium n which, yeah, that was an eight point twenty
five and before that the last one. I mean, seven
to seven five really is putting it into into rarefied air.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
I mean, I don't think it's that good. I think
overall quality we need to drop down to six.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Okay, I'm fine with that. Let's see where that that's
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
It's only going to knock it down to seven to five.
But it's this is not This is not more fun
than Web.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
No, it's not. It really isn't Web.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
And it's not more problematic than Web. Like Web. Web
is probably like an eleven on the problematic scale.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
I mean it gets there in a slightly different way.
But this is very problematic, Josh, I mean it's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
A Oh I agree. I'm not saying it's not. But like,
if there's the if we've done the most problematic episode,
it's got to be Web.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Yeah. Probably, You're probably right it. Web was really a
standout in that regard.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
I mean, how many pictures of a shirtless Connor palains?

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
There were thousands?

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
There were thousands, Yeah, thousands plastering a fucking wall in
the school.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
But we saw the greatest tennis air of all time
getting date raped in this one.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
That's true. Okay, So yeah, seven five Again, we're doing
that like post post scoring editing, which I don't love
to do. But I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
I don't love to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
I think it's justified. I don't. Yeah, I think you're right.
I don't think it can come out better than now Web.
For some reason, we said that the depth and breadth
of lives ruined was not very high in a web
but you know it was not We gave it a four.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Yeah, yeah, I know, because there's only it's relatively limited.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
There's no there are no murders in that one. So
I guess you're right, still kind of fucked up. Now
are we ready to roll the next one? Josh?

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Okay, So we are fliring up the randomizer. We're going
to episode dot L O L if you'll buy flat
clicking on it, the tape is spinning.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Entering in the phone booth.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
They are they really hate this part, and we've got
ourselves an episode from season one. It's episode twenty two.
The overview is after a shopkeeper brings a note for
help to the squad. The detectives begin to try to

(01:16:20):
locate a young Romanian woman named Elena, only to find
her aunt, who hasn't seen the girl in months. The
squad eventually finds her at the home of the Morrows,
a successful yuppie couple. A forensic psychologist is also analyzing
the team and presents disturbing findings to Craigan, suggesting that
one of the detectives be removed from the team. Now

(01:16:46):
this episode features Andrew McCarthy, and I believe that this
is actually the slave in a box under the bed
episode that Adam has in the past referred to as
being with James Spade.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Is it's because Andrew McCarthy is playing the James Spader
role in this episode, so as opposed to being like
the the yuppie shithead with the heart of gold, he's
playing the kind of evil, malicious yuppie shitheads. So yeah,
I'm sorry, I got my my pretty and pink yuppies confused.

(01:17:21):
And then of course this is the episode that I
think Michelle Hurd gets in trouble or Monique Jefferies gets
in trouble and is forced to leave. Yeah. Yeah, this
is one of those like Inner Circle uh stunt casting
episodes that Andrew McCarthy, if I remember, I haven't seen
this in years, but if I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Correctly, in a long long time, he's roll.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
He is so over the top, and I cannot wait
because I don't think that we've really seen one of
those high period stunt casts yet, like Hayden Panetary wasn't
a star yet when when we want when Hooked came out?
But fucking Andrew McCarthy was in like every fucking eighties
movie a decade and a half before this episode was made.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
So yeah, this is this is one of the this
is one of the very like the the Mountain Top. Yeah,
one of the top of the top of the Mountain,
like apex of stunt casting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Anyways, guys, we got to get out of here. Josh
needs to get some test results, and so we're all
gonna be uh, you know, keeping our fingers crossed. By
the time you guys listen, hopefully everything will be much better.
That is the goal. I need to drive through Houston
rush hour back to my house with my child and
my dog. So I just realized what time it is,

(01:18:40):
and it's un fucked. I'm totally fucked.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Yeah, your bone. No, it's good Friday. You'll actually be out. Yeah,
maybe I don't know out we were. We were out
this morning during rush hour. There's no one out on
the roads.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Yeah, but they but like up there and then in Minneapolis,
everybody's fucking Lutheran. They all still believe Like down here,
the only thing they believe in is fucking petroleum dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Yeah, but they they're where was it? Days were off
for school? Like it's a you'll be okay, you don't
have anything to worry about, Okay, So yeah, follow us
on the socials, rate and review the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Yeah, montre Benz absolutely every time. Keep on munching, guys.

(01:20:32):
You kids need to cut that shit out. This instant

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
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