65 -That's How You Get Throat Gonorrhea Kids (S16E19 Granting Immunity)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
So a group of kids from Treveca Academy went off
campus today for lunch and had a rainbow party.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
A rainbow party they still have.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I thought they were a suburban myth. Yeah, well apparently not.
Explicit photos were taken and then they went viral at
the school. So we've got a lot of kids a
panicking parents.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Did I miss an episode of Girls? Remind me of
what a rainbow party is?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Mind you?

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Is when girls wear a different shade a lipstick and
they take turns on the guys.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
The first guy to get every color of the rainbow,
he wins, brief each.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Other in the car has let's go. I'm never having kids.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
In New York City sexually based offenses they're considered especially heinous.
These are their stories. Hey guys, welcome to munch My Events.
And my name is Adam. I am here on the
Upper East Side of Manhattan. I am joined on the

(01:16):
line by Josh. How's it going up in the frozen
North Josh.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
It's pretty balmy. Yeah, yeah, it's it's been humid. It's
July in uh states of standing water, Yeah, states full
of it. So yeah, I'm a house sitting for my brother.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Nice. Where's he Lacrescent Lacrosse one of those.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
He's in Lacrosse. Yeah, yeah, he's Central Lacrosse. I won't
out him say where he is, but yeah, I just
finished a Lacrosse beer. A Pearl Street brewery goes Kopia,
which is it goes obviously brewed with mango, guava, and cranberry.
And now I've moved on to a sounds very fruity
brewing project, beer Triple IPA. So brewing project is from

(02:03):
Eau Claire, where do you're used to live.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I've been sampling some of the local beers. There's this
incredible craft beer store that's around the corner. We went
there and have drinks outside the other night. But when
I went in there, it was right after I'd been
like unpacking, actually moving shit up the stairs. So I
was so tired and all I wanted was beer. And
I walked in there and there's like a thousand different

(02:26):
cans of you know, everything is complicated. I cannot handle
this shit. I'm leaving.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Fuck this. Give me a place with fucking five taps.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Absolutely, So I'm actually right now drinking a sparkling water
from your brother's neck of the woods. I've got a
Lacroix in my hands. So, yeah, buddy, I'm enjoying the
what is it the clean mountain waters or whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah, I don't know what they right now.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I'm on the kind of like mainstream local craft beers.
That's what I'm working with. So there's there's six point
and there's mon Talk are kind of the two kind
of bigger ones, and they're both great. I've had a
few beers from each of them. I would recommend.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I'm assuming you're sort of not having to do Brooklyn
that much.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh no, no, no, I've been to Brooklyn once, so
our mutual friends over.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Now Brooklyn Brewing, Oh, Brooklyn Brewering.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Now, yeah, no I haven't. I haven't had Brooklyn Brewer,
you know, I mean the past I've had in the past.
It's it's fine, it's just not it never stuck with
me as something that great that I need to tick
tip my toes back in that pool.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
But you know, sorry, did you say five points too
or no?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Six point is what it's called.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
That's dumb because five points less, you know whatever. I'm
sure six point is some dumb fucking it's something, But
at a certain point, like how many points, how many
points can you two points? Can you have three points?
I mean, how many points does New York have to have?
Do they have to have ownership over all of the points.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I've been to the Doctor Pepper Museum in Waco and
they had a buck there with sixty four points, so
I know you can have a lot of pins.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
So they have that ownership, I guess.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, I guess. They also had a Siamese Lamb and
they had some other you know, freak show shit.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah. The Doctor Pepper Museum's amazing.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, you know, i'd go back there if I were
a seven year old or actually seventh grader that's when
I was there.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Oh, I've gone as an adult. The animatronic Doctor Pepper.
That guy's fucking terrifying.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, on that note, speaking of terrifying, we have an
episode of Best for you to get to that I
did not take very many notes of. In fact, I
only watched it once, so I will have commentary.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
I've got notes to cover us.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
No, I'm sure you do. Yeah, yeah, I have some tabs,
but not really that many notes. Yeah, you got the
recap for this one this week.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
It'd be funny if I didn't, Yeah, it would be funny.
It'd be like how it used to be with those
first like five episodes where we weren't writing them and
really should.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Have been Yeah, just ramble.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, those were a fucking motherfucker to edit. So we
are watching episode from season sixteen. It is episode nineteen,
so two episodes later than the one we just covered
last week. This one is called Granting Immunity. Parents with
kids are interacting, planting one on one another with reckless
abandon in a way that's sincerely terrifying. In this post

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COVID world, kids are passing playing cards from lip to lip.
Teens are stripping down to their underwear in some parentless
truancy fest, slathering on lipstick for clearly untoward purposes. One
of the toolbag truants, Jackson in class to picks that
they were sending to each other and then said Jacker

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forwards the picks on where they're eventually seen by the
Tribeca Academy principle. The unit is called in to investigate
the Rainbow Party lunch Hour teen beach Fest, which they
detail quite a bit before Live seeds to the clear
s and p issues abounding from a continued conversation and
tells them to finish their convo in the car on
the way to the school. Continuation of the convo clearly

(06:03):
left on the cutting room floor and lost to the
world forever. We jumped to the school, where rich fuck
parents are outraged that their ninth and tenth grade blowjob
enthusiasts might face larger consequences. Throughout the questioning, these germed
up teens are all starting to cough and run fevers,
and one of the guardians, Gabriel's stepmom, was at the

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pediatrician earlier when Live was there with Noah. The said stepmom,
missus Cole, comes into the office with another of the
boys parents, both of whom are quite concerned with their
children being charged with distribution of child pornography. Barba tells
Careesi that even by passing the picks that he's got
on a tablet to Barba, he could face kitty porn charges,

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and then they decide that the next best step is
to confiscate every phone at the school to prevent the
images from living on for eternity on the darkest corners
of the Internet. Rich fucks being rich fucks. Some parents
give a little pushback, and missus Cole's stepson is out
se Live then has to go into the pediatrician, where
it turns out Noah has been exposed to measles from

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another kid who Live worries is Gabriel's little brother. Noah's
gotten a dose of the MMR vaccine and has to
quarantine for eight days because of the exposure, which means
Live will be working from home for the time being.
Amorro goes to check in with his son to make
sure he's been vaccinated, where he finds out that the
gangs in the neighborhood are too bad and his mother

(07:28):
is moving them to San Diego. Rollins and Careesi go
to Barbo with the results of Taru's contact tracing. The
images are all over red Chanit Uh Huh, Red Channit
and the kittie porn Palaces of the Dark Web, but
it had to have been uploaded by one of the
seven phones not seized at the school, which means they'll

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need to serve seven warrants to find the culprits who
uploaded the picks after being told explicitly not to two
days prior. First warrant served Larry Heller, who's very recognizable.
Mother Attorney Arlene Heller, is along to tell him he's
even dumber than his father after losing his eighth phone
this year, but the phone turns up in his disaster

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of a locker. Next up the measle child of rich
white bitch who's mid coffee clotch with two other moms,
including the Queen Bee wannabe Goop Maven mommy blogger who
is pretty much the poster child for the anti VAXX
privileged sect. Back at the Benson abode, Lucy rushes in
to tell Live that Noah is turning blue and is
having trouble breathing, which points to baby Measles Dough being

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exposed by this pocket of rich fucks. Garesi thinks he's
running a fever, but Rollins won't check his forehead. They
do have the tracing data back, and sure enough it's
Larry Heller who distrode the teen beach fest to every
corner of the internet. Barba brings in Arlene, who says
her ship Bird Kid will cooperate with flipping the predatorial

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disseminators of porn, but that the real criminals are the
fucko hippie parents who can spe to circumvent New York
state law mandating all children be vaccinated in order to
attend school. A little pressing reveals a real shocker bitch
ass mommy blogger lined up a doctor falsify vaccination records
and spread the poisonous gospel. At arraignment, doctor Satrakian gets

(09:18):
his case split from not Jenny McCarthy because they want
to unhitch their wagon from that loon, and they plea
out with the understanding that he will testify against her
with the condition that he loses his license. A textbook
anti vax defense is mounted. Noah gets sicker, and on
her way to check in on Noah in the hospital,
Live is accosted with holistic hocum from miss anti Vax,

(09:39):
to which she responds with a get the fuck out
of my face with this shit if you don't want
to end up being found strewn across the five burrows,
because that's what happens when you fuck with baby Doe.
The jury finds her not guilty on a first degree
charge of reckless endangerment, but guilty of second degree reckless endangerment.
Finn and tomorrow check in would live at the hospital,

(10:00):
who says that Noah will just be under doctor supervision
for a couple more days, but he's through it now,
and we get a this little fucker sure is snake
bit dick wolf.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, that poor little baby boy to.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Man, Oh, sweet child, sweet child.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
So many terrible things happened to Did you even get
any blueberry pancakes at the end of this? Probably not well.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
I think we have the ripped from the headlines bit
that we probably have to cover. Yeah, mercifully. I've also
written up shit about that.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
You teased it throughout the recaps, so yeah, go for it.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Though not ripped from more recent COVID related headlines, this
is ripped from the headlines following outbreaks of measles amongst
pockets of largely affluent white communities of parents who believe
themselves to have cracked the code on what causes autism,
the measles, mump's rubella vaccine.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
They're wrong, They're wrong.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, and trust me, I'll get into that, Okay. So
Pacific Palisades with specific mentioned as having been the point
of origin from which Gabriel contracted measles. Pacific Palisades is
nestled between Santa Monica and Malibu on the west side
of Los Angeles and has been largely connected to where
the anti vaxx movement has caught hold. Per a September
twenty fourteen Hollywood Reporter article, seventy five percent of parents

(11:19):
of students at Westside Waldorf School in Pacific Palisades had
filled out a personal Belief Exemption form for their children,
meaning they opted out of vaccinating their children and making
it the most susceptible school in the Greater LA area
to an outbreak. That's why they call it the Palisades
bro Trudy Malco Missi Pyle's character is specifically modeled on

(11:39):
Jenny McCarthy, with a healthy dash of Gwyneth Paltrow thrown
in there with the whole mommy blogger bullshit. Now. The
key piece of work on this subject is Seth Minukin's
book from twenty twelve, The Panic Virus, A True Story
of Medicine, Science and Fear. Upon moving to Brooklyn, Minukin
began to exposed to educated professionals with kids who were

(12:03):
doing the research and coming to the conclusion that vaccines
were harmful to their children. Much of this research was
based on a thoroughly debunked paper written by British quack
Andrew Wakefield. Who's since been stripped of his medical license
and the paper that they cite has been retracted. In
that paper, he falsely claimed there was a link between

(12:25):
the MMR vaccine to Crohn's disease, and then later he
linked it to autistic entero colitis. His research methods were
wildly suspect. No other researchers have been able to reproduce
the results of his study. The study consisted of twelve children,

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some of whom were recruited for the study by lawyers.
At a press conference and on a video put out
by his hospital before the study was published, he pushed
for the cessation of the use of the MMR three
in one vaccine until further study could be conducted. Of course,
he also reportedly refused to repeat the study in a

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controlled setting to validate his quote findings, and the paper
stated that there was no causal connection between the vaccine
and autism. But the damage was done and the MMR
vaccination scare was off and running. Shortly thereafter, Sixty Minutes
brought him on and gave him an institutional American platform
to start the spread of his bullshit here too. Following

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this study, he moved from the UK to Austin to
become executive director at Thoughtful House Center for Children, where
he continued to promote the theory linking the MMR vaccine
to autism and crones, despite admitting it wasn't proved. The
paper was extremely controversial and was quickly the subject of

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a UK General Medical Council inquiry into the study. Then,
in two thousand and four, Sunday Times reporter Brian Deere
produced evidence to a Channel four documentary exposing Wakefield for
having tried to patent a standalone single measles vaccine. Wakefield
sued everyone involved for libel, with his lawyers claiming no

(14:11):
such patent was applied for despite all the documentation provided,
and then his lawyers asked for the libel suit they'd
filed to be frozen while the UK GMC carried out
its inquiry. As this suit was playing out, Brian Deer
also discovered that not only were Wakefield's research and intentions suspect,
but that he'd failed to disclose a financial conflict of

(14:33):
interest in which the solicitors lawyers who were funding the
research to provide evidence against vaccine manufacturers, and that he
himself had received four hundred and thirty five thousand, six
hundred and forty three pounds from them to conduct said
research weird. In addition to the fortune he'd have made

(14:54):
patenting separate vaccines weird. Wakefield then had a former grad
student testified that he ignored data that contradicted his initial
hypothesis throughout the study. Brian Deere spent much of the
next seven years throttling wakefield study in myriad ways. You
can read more about that on the myriad articles linked
in the Andrew Wakefield section of the Wikipedia page. All

(15:16):
this shit from rip to the headlines is going to
be all the sources are going to be in the
details for the episode. There's virtually nothing about this study
that holds up. In short, Deers summarily tore the whole
study apart in a British Medical Journal article that was
accompanied by BMJ editorial, where the editorial board of the
British Medical Journal stated, clear evidence of falsification of data

(15:40):
should now close the door on this damaging vaccine scare.
Who perpetuated this fraud? There is no doubt that it
was Wakefield. Is it possible that he was wrong but
not dishonest, that he was so incompetent that he was
unable to fairly describe the project or to report even
one of the twelve children's cases accurately. No Oh, a

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great deal of thought and effort must have gone into
drafting the paper to achieve the results he wanted. The
discrepancies all led in one direction. Misreporting was gross. Moreover,
although the scare of GMC's two hundred and seventeen day
hearing precluded additional charges focused directly on the fraud, the
panel found him guilty of dishonesty concerning the study's admissions criteria,

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it's funding by the Legal Aid Board, and his statements
about it afterwards. So despite Brian Deere's persistence yielding a
complete and utter debunking of the only study that linked
the MMR vaccine to autism, he still has his adherents.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
And he got his money too. He was the incentive
structure still still exists.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
One such acolyte, the woman who penned the forward to
Wakefield's book, Callous Disregard and please do not buy his book.
That woman is Jenny McCarthy, who, after dabbling in New
Age Crystal spirituality, fell in with an anti vax group
following her son's autism. Diagnosis. McCarthy became the de facto

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but wildly unqualified spokeswoman for pseudo scientific autism no strums,
making claims of helping her son recover from autism with
a bevy of unfounded treatments, along with mainstreaming this MMR
causes autism bullshit on Oprah, who platformed her and said
McCarthy had quote mommy instinct and knew what she was

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talking about.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
End quote nice Oprah.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
And then went so far as to sign her to
a fucking development deal because apparently inflicting fucking doctor Phil
and doctor oz on the world wasn't enough. People Magazine
and Larry King gave her the Star treatment too, So essentially,
our celebrity obsessed culture decided we should listen to someone
about vaccines and autism treatments who has absolutely zero background

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in epidemiology because they can sound sort of smart our
relation and look good doing it. Because she bought into
a thoroughly debunked study and a whole lot of other bullshit.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'm gonna have to stop you right there, Josh. I've
heard Jenny McCarthy speak on multiple occasions. I've never was given.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Her the I was giving the benefit of the doubt
per Minuchin, who had said that she she does actually
sound good talking about it.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, I'm sure she sounds passionate about the issue. Was
that when the Wahlberg Scott Green lid, is that when
that shit started off, because that was sort of her
like getting back into being famous again.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
I think that really the thing that got her back
into being famous was the Autism ship.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, but there was. She had like a couple of
different peaks there. Right, shouldn't go away the way that
she probably should have many years ago.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Right. Yeah, Now, since this episode is Aaron McCarthy a
sort of step back from being the extremely vocal proponent
of the movement, Yeah, and a Tom Cruisian calculation akin
to his stepping back from so publicly championing scientology and
looking like a fucking maniac doing so. Yeah, she rarely
talks about it publicly, but she is still the president
of Generation Rescue. Don't go to that website either. Of course,

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much of the hell we find ourselves in now was
nurtured by all of this bullshit. So fuck everyone I
just mentioned, aside from the people who were committed to
debunking all of this bullshit.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah. Also, fuck Gwyneth Paltrow, who you have sort of
partially mentioned. Yeah, she hasn't as far as I can tell,
taking a very explicit stand about MMR specifically. But she
has some fairly wild notions about the COVID vaccine and
why she didn't need it because she apparently was contracted

(19:37):
COVID sometime in like September or October twenty nineteen, which
doesn't seem possible.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Of course she did, didn't she see Contagion where she
fucking killed the entire world?

Speaker 2 (19:46):
No?

Speaker 3 (19:47):
What an asshole? I mean, she doesn't even remember. Like
Marvel movies, she was in. There was a panel talking
about some movie and she did not She was like
what movie? And they're like, you're in it.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
So there's like one gallery in our neighborhood and it's
hard to tell what it is because it's filled with
some shit that is totally just like garage shale bullshit.
But apparently they have a Banksy for sale inside there.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Good luck buying that and having it not shred itself.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, one thing you can definitely buy in this place,
if it's ever open. I've only seen it open once
and that was for a brief amount of time. But
there's a basket of Yonie eggs in the corner there, listeners,
if you're not familiar with Yoni eggs, they are another
very debunked Gwyneth Paltrow product that you stick them inside
your your hooha ladies and supposedly does something, but apparently

(20:36):
what it definitely does.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Is basically a box rock.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's caused some fairly fairly significant kindecological problems. So apparently
it's a stay away, highly not recommended.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Okay, so we should probably dive into the guest stars.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yes, stars, there's a few of them.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
There's a few. It's not a bunch. A lot of
the kids haven't really been in much, so they're not
going to get discussed.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
No, And I thought Emily Dorsh was somebody that she wasn't,
so yeah, she's yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
So I guess first off, we kind of have to
cover Missy Pyle. Who's Trudey Malco here the analog for
Jenny McCarthy. She was born in Houston, grew up in Memphis.
She graduated from North Carolina School for the Arts in
nineteen ninety five, and she was in a country rock
band in the late aughts, or maybe it was even later.
Than that, but she was in the country rock band

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Smith and Pile for a few years with actors Shawnie Smith.
She's been main cast in The Wedding Bells, Jennifer Falls,
Border Town, Sing It Impulse, and was a recurring on
Dirty John two and a half Men another period, the
Sarah Silverman Program, Inside, Amy Schumer, The soul Man, and Mom.
On the big screen, she's appeared in Galaxy Quest, Big Fish,

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Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Dodgeball, Gone Girl, Captain, Fantastic, Jumanji,
Welcome to the Jungle, and Josie and the Pussycats as
a character named Alexandra Cabot.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Weird. That's very weird.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Remembered that because I've seen it in the last year
or so and I was like, wait, what anyway, So
then we've got.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Hold up, hold up one question though, so go for it.
The soul Man. I'm not familiar with this TV series.
Is it a series based on.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
The I Know where You're going?

Speaker 2 (22:16):
It's it's the highly.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
The c Thomas Howell in Blackface going to Harvard on
a on a on a minority scholarship. No, it's not
based on that. Soul Man. One of my Buddies Wives
wrote on it it was Cedric the Entertainer as a
preacher show.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Nice so totally different.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yes, yeah, very different. Next up, we've got Harry Dylan.
I hope I'm getting his last name right. It could
be Chillin. I guess it's the d h I and
he's playing Attorney Sunil Varma. He was born in San Francisco.
This is the first of four appearances of his as
this lawyer. He's been main cast member Michael Spence and

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recurring cast member Sunil Gupta in a total of two
hundred and seventy episodes of Holby City on BBC one.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Never heard of it, Yeah, I'm me neither.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
It's clearly a soap. It's got to be a soap
because it's two hundred and seventy episodes and that's British television.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
So oh.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
He had recurring parts and billions This is Us, Charmed,
The Loop and Madam Secretary. He was also in Entrapment
Wit and Bad Education the twenty nineteen Bad Education not
the mode of our film. Next up, we've got Susie Smith,
who is Attorney Arlene Heller. This is her second of
four appearances as Arlene Heller.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
She's so much fun.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Oh yeah, she's great. She was raised in Mount Vernon,
New York, went to Sunny Purchase. She started doing stand
up in the eighties. She's probably most recognizable as having
been Susie Green on Curb Your Enthusiasm, the person who
most vocally and colorfully hates Larry David on the show
The Hell out of the House. You hurt Sammy one

(24:01):
more time, Larry, get the fuck out of my house. Okay,
you'll squash the spirit of a talented young girl. You
has a shit, You heartless, pass a shit. She was
also Alana Glazier's character's mom on Broad City and Lake
Bell's character's mother on Blessed This Mess. Then we've got

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Julie Lauren, who's playing Mia Beal. She's born in New
York City. Graduated cum laude from Dartmouth. She trained at
the Neighborhood Playhouse and studied under Susan Batson and Wynn Handman.
She was in John Cameron Mitchell's Rabbit Hole. She was
the inappropriate sister in what her IMDb page claims is

(24:43):
a classic episode of Friends. We'll have to take her
word for it. And she was officer and Shan or
Shane maybe in eight episodes of Homicide. Yeah, making this
a brain melter.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Well, she's done well for herself in the intervening years.
She's no long your cop. She lives in Soho and
or a Trybaca wherever these people live Trybeca. Yeah, same
dog shit.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
The same dog shit, different neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, very close. Yeah, both of them are living in
a shopping mall with homeless people.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
That's basically good times.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Next up is Marla Sucha Ritza or Suka Ritza, not
sure how to pronounce her last name. She's playing Missus Harrington.
She played Henzel's sister in Web, which we covered in
My Benson episode forty two. When I get touched in
an unsafe way, I say yes and I make a mess.
That means this is even more of a brain melter

(25:37):
than it was before when it was just Julie Lauren involved.
She was in an episode of the original series and
an episode of c I, in addition to appearing in
the Station Agent road Trip, The Fan and Whore two.
Oh yeah, I probably have seen it. I just don't

(25:59):
remember her. Then we've got Emily Dorsh. He's playing principal
Hannah Schwartz. This is her second appearance as this character,
previously appearing as the school counselor in Born Psychopath, which
they just did a callback to with a Carl from
Shameless reprising his role. She previously also appeared in Bullseye

(26:22):
as another character. Her only other interesting credit to me
was as Cornelia predoc in five episodes of Boardwalk Empire. Otherwise,
there's a whole lot of one off TV appearances on
stuff like House of Cards and Fosse Bird.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Then we've got David Margalize explaying doctor Satrachian.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
He's kind of a big face for such a small role.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
But yeah, he's also not a big person. As he
is listed as five to two and a.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Half, he looked even smaller than that.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah, yeah, because he's standing next to his lawyer, who
clearly is like six feet and they were just like, whatever,
we already cast and we did. I know he's going
to dwarf you this badly. So he went to School
of the Performing Arts. He died in twenty sixteen at
the age of seventy eight. He was the mayor in
the Ghostbusters movies.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's where you remember him from.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Oh yeah, absolutely he also appeared. He also appeared seemingly
always as doctors in Dressed to Kill, Nine and a
Half Weeks, Ishtar, The Girl on the Train, A Most
Violent Year Running on Empty, and Times Square. He's basically
either a mayor or a doctor. There are multiple mayor credits.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Also, was he one of doctor Fleischman's relatives in an
episode of Northern Exposure. He's Herb Fleischer.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
I didn't, Oh shit, yeah he was then?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah? Nice?

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Oh No, is Herb's dad?

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I don't remember. You've seen it a lot more.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
No, I've seen it a lot more recently. I'm trying
to think if Herb was his dad's name. I don't
think Herb was his dad's name, but maybe it was.
I have to on age him by like twenty years now.
I did just see the episode with his dad, But
Herb Fleischmann might have been.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
An uncle something like only in one episode.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
So yeah, but I think his parents were only in
one episode. Well, his dad was. His mom came up
to visit separately. Anyway, we're going way into the weeds
on Northern Exposure. I don't have to now Times Square,
which he was in. I believe he's a doctor in
that that was that teen lesbian punk movie that they
cut all the overt lesbian stuff from, starring a young
Trainy Alvarado.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah. Nice.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Then we've got Christine Toy Johnson who's playing Doctor Celia Lee.
She was Missus Yang and Iron Fist. This is the
fifth of five appearances for her on SVU and her
second as Doctor Lee. She was Sister Mary Leo in
Nonsense and Nonsense to the sequel, which were Rue McClanahan

(28:43):
TV movies that look to clearly be going for the
Sister Act fan base. She was also in three episodes
of The Americans and two episodes of You.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Hey, Josh, I'm here for Nonsense or Nonsense too, if
you're interested.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
I can't fathom us being able to actually watch them.
Next up, we've got Dante palmt Harry playing Leo McAdams.
This is Chaz palmonary Son. As I speculated last week.
He was in Sharkonnado two. And then lastly, we've got
two recurrings who I'm just going to touch on for
a second. We've got Bronwin Reid who's playing Lucy Heston.

(29:15):
She's Noah's nanny. We talked about her back in munch
My Beents in forty five. If you really want to
hear about her, that one's called there's a goddamn robt
from Rocky four and they did not use it.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, she's kind of comes and goes for years.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yeah, because that was season eighteen, episode seventeen, real fake
news that we covered. And then lastly, I'm just gonna
for one second say we've got Jefferson Mays here, who's
playing m E. Carl Rudnick. There are other episodes yet
to be drawn that we'll need to talk a lot
more about him, so I'm going to put that off
until then.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I thought he was good. I liked him, so I
looked him up. But yes, we can talk about him anyone.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, because there are episodes where where he's very centrally
involved in them, and I feel like talking about him
before then is kind of pointless.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
So fine, all right, He's not that interesting, So yeah, great.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
We open on a truly awful song by Cobra Starship.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
You Found It, Thank God You've Found Good.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Girls Go Bad, which also features Layton.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Measter whatever that means.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Layton Measter is from Gossip Girl.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Oh Jesus Christ, was it hard to track that one down.
I didn't look it up.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
But no, the first time I was watching it, it
was on the it was on the subtitles, and so
like it flashed by, and then I tried on the
second pass. It didn't come up on the subtitles because
first time I watched it in my place. Second time
I watched here at Druth's.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Place, both on Hulu, right, so.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Both on Hulu, and so it didn't see it didn't
say the song name the first time, but it did
the second time. Anyway, my feeling about this song is
that if gon Rhea was a song, this would be it.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Here's the thing about this song. If they were just
trying to give us the flavor of a teen party
for thirty seconds, it would have still been awful, but
it wouldn't have seared its way into my memory the
way it did. Because we watch it for like it
feels like five at.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Least a minute and a half, maybe two minutes. But yeah,
it feels like they played the entire fucking.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Sign I know, and it was brutal, which is jarring.
It's not the only jarring choice that they make in
this episode, but it's one of the most jarring choices.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Are definitely others.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
But the other thing that's happening here is there is
some wild hyper sexualization of miners.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
My very next note is, uh oh cool. The teen
who is being objectified in the shower, Evan Daves, whose
age I cannot verify, but at the very least is
playing a teenager who we've already seen presumably soaping up
as Dong is running a fever, but absentee father thinks
he should go to school. Sick people stay the fuck home.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, really, I think everybody should know after the last
year and a half that stay home. Everybody wants you
to stay.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Feel like not everyone fucking knows that, and a lot
of people are fucking asshole just do whatever the fuck
they want. It's true anyway. The blonde Hayden Tweety who
takes her shirt off, looks to have been twenty two
at the time.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Okay, that's good.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, so I guess we hold out hope that they're
not asking miners to disrobe in this episode.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
It sure felt like they were. And yeah, put on
multicolored lipsticks, so we know that they're.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
One of them. One of them is only I'll get
to it eventually, but one of them is only fifteen.
She's maybe maybe sixteen at taping, but I think she's
fifteen now. Seeing all these people touching each other and
visualizing a contagion passing is legit terrifying. Is this the
scariest episode of SPU?

Speaker 2 (32:36):
But what's kind of funny about it, right, is because
in many ways what we're seeing is a wholly consensual
sort of activity going on. Right. Sure, they're miners and
they shouldn't be photographed doing it, but they all seem
to be there of their own free will. Nobody's been
coerced or anything like that. Yeah, and yet, yeah, we're
watching it horrified because we know that there's this sickness

(32:58):
passing from It's a shitty kid.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Because again, as a viewer, you do not get to
see sexuality. And I will say that I don't think
this is a healthy, healthy thing, but it is consensual sex.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
It's yeah, it's not it's definitely not healthy. But on
the scale of SVU, it's like not.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, it's it's it's consensual from what we can surmise.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, what's unhealthy is us as viewers having to watch it.
That's kind of Yeah, it's kind.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Of super gross, But It's just another instance in which
people engaging in consensual sex acts, regardless of like the
overarching health risks to them, are then immediately something awful
happens to them because sex can't happen in this show.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Absolutely in a healthy way. Never.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Now, this all happened during off campus lunch. I mean,
it's been a long time since I was a teen,
but there's no way these boners are lasting more than
three minutes before blowing and having to wait to go again.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
That was supposed to be a lunch party.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yes, that was that lunch. Like, yeah, I'm sure they
don't want it getting back to everyone at school that
they were pushing rope and refractory periods still exist for
perma hard teenage boys. But this the the time frame
that that we're expected to buy into here is fucking absurd.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
They all have to leave like commute. You know it's
gonna be I mean, the.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
School, the schools in Tribeca, the there. I bet it's
only I bet it's closer than that. Even I bet
it's fine.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
But you gotta go down stairs, you gotta go over,
you gotta go upstairs. That takes time. Then you get there.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
But when you're about to get blown by seven different people.
I think you're rushing up because you're not concerned about
swampy balls.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
They're pouring shots, they're dancing, they're doing a strip tease, they're.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
They're no, no, I mean it's absurd, Like the fucking
the montage tells me that there's a lot more time
passing the lunch hour.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yes, I thought it was a whole afternoon.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Oh god, Now this isn't a second unit shoot. No,
but that this cold open scene is still absurd.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
It's a very strong second unit vibe. So maybe they.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, yeah, now there are there's no dialogue in this scene, right,
there's or are they speaking? They're speaking a little bit, okay,
so there is sound rolling.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, there is sound, and in the very beginning there's dialogue,
like before the party starts their dialogue. I guess we
didn't even talk about like live at the doctor's office.
But who cares?

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Who cares?

Speaker 2 (35:36):
I don't care about it.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
There were also clear teenagers amongst the nine who may
not have been asked to strip down to their bras,
but are still asked to slather on a ton of
colored lipstick, with the implication that said lipstick is will
find its way to teen boy dots.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Yeah. The whole point of it is that it goes
on to a dolt is Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, and then chess Palmonary's kid totally jerked into that
ship in class. Like obviously, Amaro's joke about missing an
episode of Girls was funny because it applies that he
otherwise watches Girls.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
So he would watch Girls.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
And by asking the rest of the squad if he
missed one, are we to believe that this is their
water cooler show?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
You know? It was very popular at the time, and
I could see I could see them all being into it.
I could see Rollins watching Girls, and I could see
Coreesy watching whatever Rowlins was watching, So it makes sense
to me.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Also, I can say there was never a rainbow party
episode of Girls if you were curious.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I wasn't curious because I don't like Girls and I
don't intend to watch it. But it makes sense that
they wouldn't have a rainbow party because it doesn't seem
like exactly the same Miliu.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Right, which seems like a weird pole.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
It's more of a degrassy thing.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, much more at a grassy thing. I'm pretty sure.
Emma did that.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
That's how you get throat Gonneria kids.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yep, that's how you get Gonnerie in the throat by
blowing Jay in a van in the ravine.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Do you a great show?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
I know we watched so much of that working at traffic.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
I still can't believe that Drake became famous after that.
I just can't fucking believe it.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Okay, so Ginger balls with a stupid backwards cap that
makes him look like you just walked out of an
archie comic. It does not run track.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
No, well, you know it might be distance.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
That kid, No, he's never done anything in his fucking life.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
But Josh, you don't know what it's like to go
to a small private school. All those kids had to
do some kind of sport. I ran distance that gangly
kids going.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Class was only like one forty.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Still, their class is probably like this guy.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
It's it's a different thing. He oozes in activity. I've
seen scrawny ass runners who are really fast. He's not that.
You don't wear a hat like that if you're fast,
because he's wearing the he's wearing it backwards, but like
so far back on his head that it's like a
Yamaica almost.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Well maybe yeah, I mean, maybe it's a dual purpose.
I didn't remember what his last name was. It could
be you know, it could be a skull cap.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
But it's a baseball cap. It's got a bill on it.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Anyways, speaking of yama it's not a Yamaka. I spoke
to my landlord for the first time today and he
has an Italian name, but he clearly has an Israeli accent,
so there's something weird going on there. I have lots
of theories as to what's going on with my apartment
building and why I'm paying so little in rent, but
I don't want to get into it because they might
be listening.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, all right, do you think teen beach parties are
Goop approved?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
You know, they would probably want you to like allow
your kids to flourish, right, to like to like find
their own way in the world. And probably they wouldn't
want them drinking, you know, any old vodka while they
were doing it. Definitely not the taka and the plastic.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
I don't feel like it was a plastic bottle.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
There were a lot of small bottles, a little like
half pints.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Fifth I was wondering if maybe they weren't drinking Goldschlager.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I mean they would drink Goldschlager.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
It seems like a thing that they would drink.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
That's pretty much the dedicated drink for your beach party.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, yeah, all right, so Barbara giving Karesi the business
with that not your call line. Yeah, funny, like I
lowky love how Barba suffers cares with visible irritation.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, but it's fun because he also is fun. Yeah,
it's nice that Caresi is learning and things, you know,
he cares I love the way they introduced Caresi. Actually,
the more I see these kind of like earlier Korea, the.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Season sixteen episodes, cares is pretty much awesome the whole time.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, it's great, And like, don't I don't feel like
I'm like slogging through his backstory the way that I
feel like I'm slogging through lives in this very same episode.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah, so then we get a Citizen four reference. Citizen
Four was the twenty fourteen Oscar and Emmy winning documentary
about Edward Snowden, who had reached out to the documentarian
Laura Poitras initially as a stranger with the handle Citizen four.
He went on to out the NSA's illegal wire tapping operation. Yeah,
documentary is really good.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
They kind of do this in that initial scene with
the kids, but they do this throughout this episode. Did
you notice the handheld in this one? SVU is often
shot handheld, right, so it's not surprising when it's a
little shaky, But in this episode, I felt it was
a lot shakier than normal. And I don't know if
it was a choice or what, but the camera was
bouncing all over the place in times when it did

(40:12):
not seem like it fit.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Like it was sending across a sense of urgency exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
There was an urgency. There wasn't like a panic going on.
It was just like Inner Room with like kind of
time stops live talking about Noah's scene and the cameras
bouncing all over the place, and I questioned those choices.
They could have used the steady cam for that one
bust out the gimbal. I don't know. I don't know
if they use gimbal that much.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, they're probably not using a gimble for most of it,
especially for the shakier shit. They're not.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
They're definitely not. I mean, they're just putting on their shoulders,
but they were doing it. There were some scenes where
it's just like, man, this is distracting. Felt like the
Blair Witch Project.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Or early NYPD Blue felt like that.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, but that worked. It was supposed to be gritty,
and in your.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Fad it was supposed to be gritty, but it was
still like when handheld's distracting, it's a problem.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, it's a problem. Yeah, absolutely, and there. It kind
of did that a couple times in my mind in
this one. Right.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
So, Chloe, the one worried about candy crush, was a
sophomore in high school at this time.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
I guess it stands to reason that her character might
not understand the gravity of having pics of her at
a rainbow party getting out into the world.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
So okay, I did not watch it a second time,
so I don't remember, but I feel like she was
dancing with at least with somebody who.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Took her top off well, and they showed her putting
on lipsteah. Definitely. Yeah, she was in that shot with
Hayden tweeting yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, So Jaden's dad thinks
his kid is going to read a book. Right. Also,
having had many a blog, I guarantee, no one cares

(41:44):
about reading your blog, bro.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
No nobody cares. They might get on just to like
flame you in the comments, but that's the only reason
they'd read it.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
It's not even as low involvement as a podcast, Like
you can put it on and just forget that it's
even there, and good luck getting anyone to listen to
one of those.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, but you can't read a blog while you're shopping
at the supermarket.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
That's stuff, or driving to work or taking the subway
or whatever. Ah. Whatever. My next note is, Noah gets
the a dake quarantine and I'm like, only an eight
day quarantine to start, and that's a fucking child. I know.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
It doesn't seem long enough. And measles is how quaint
diesels is bad news man, highly contained, just bad bad news.
Poor little Noah. I like this Noah better than the
older Noah that they because I can't talk. Yeah, you
can't talk. He's cute, he's gotta he's a cute little kid.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I'm not gonna talk shit about it. Kid.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Then they fucking ruin it, They fucking ruin it. Goot
mom sucks, Yeah, Goot, Mom's terrible. Yeah, she's you see
her walking and you're like, oh, fuck, I recognize her.
She sucks. Yeah, I don't remember if she sucks into
other stuff that she's betted, but.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
She no, she's usually pretty funny on other stuffy.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
But she definitely sucks here.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah, she sucks hardier. So Zara is in LA and
Gil is moving to San Diego. So ridings on the
wall for tomorrow to move to SoCal Yeah. Also, what
kind of money is his X making that they can
afford to live on the West Side, which is where
all the fucking problems are with the MMR shit, how

(43:16):
could she possibly be making that much? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
I guess she got in good after her Coastguard gig
or whatever in the Pentagon. The other question I have, right,
apparently the gangs were so bad in their neighborhood. That's
why he's moving to La or San Diego. San Diego,
San Diego. Now, I've spent more time in San Diego
than you might think. I spent quite a bit of
time there in my experience in San Diego and in

(43:40):
LA to a certain extent, but there's a lot more
kind of like gang presence feel in the bad parts
of town in both of those cities than there is
in New York. Like, there's definitely parts of I guess,
Chula Vista, other parts of San Diego where you're like, huh,
this doesn't feel right. When in New York, I don't know,
there's like gritty, there's shitty, but it just has a

(44:02):
slightly different feel than West Coast gang culture. I'm painting
with a very broad brush here, but I would say
that there is a gang culture in both of those
places as well.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Yeah, I guess I've never really ended up in the
wrong neighborhood in San Diego to notice it, but I've
been kind of all around San Diego and I don't
feel it as much there as I did in La
man So. But I also had to I lived in
La So.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, exactly, you might see it. But I took the
train to Tijuana to meet Pike.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Oh I have to, and man that train.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I felt like less safe on that train than I
did anywhere in Tijuana. Well, it's at the time that
Pike almost got us killed. But besides that, besides that, I.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Mean, what's that. What's a trip to TJ with Pike
if you didn't almost like it? So we we get
a red Chant drop. So they're making up social media,
which I believe calls for us to have to drink.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Yeah, yeah, I don't have a drink, but yes, God
damn it, Adam here, But yeah, they sure are. I
liked I liked that one, red Chant. It's a good one.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Yeah. So then they've got seven phones that have not
been seized and they've not gotten to any of them.
So first up, as Larry Heller, this is kind.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Of prosecutorial overreach, right, Like, so I get.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Like, Okay, so it's not because they could just charge
all of them with possession of child pornography. Yeah, but
here's this is the much less penurious way.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I guess what I'm saying is that the law in
the culture and kind of in different places, because these
kids are not intending to distribute child pornography for the
intent of like dirty old skeezers.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
But the issue is they have found these distributed.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah it's true, but still I don't know, I don't
know it's it's.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
But these have been disseminated, these are online now. Yeah,
so I think that's where the real issue is coming
in now, is that they seized all of these and
maybe that was overreach. But now that they've appeared online,
they do have to figure out who did.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
It, Yes, and they conveniently find that it's Susie Green's kid.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Well, they don't get to it right away. So they've
got Larry Heller, which I mean wasn't far off from
Larry's Little Larry Sellers from The Big Lebowski, And uh
there's some similar dipshittery going on here. Uh it sounds
like he is going to find out what happens when
you fuck a stranger in the ass as well. You

(46:15):
see what happens, Larry, You see what happens. This is
what happens when it fuck a stranger in the ass. Larry,
Susie Esmond's team rolls through this episode. H it is glorious.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Get you know that.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I'm sure they named him Larry to evoke Susie screaming
at Larry David.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Oh no, I hope they just I hope they let
her just improve all our lines. They're like, here, this
is what you need to say, just go just go
for it.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Town, Yeah, this is what you gotta cover. She's a
season pro. Then, Uh, I love They're at the like
coffee clotch. You know in the upper or in that
tripeck and three three.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Moms outrageously expensive tripe co apartment with like forty foot ceilings.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
And Goop says it wasn't Gabriel. I asked, and it's like, oh,
really pretty sure that was him with a bag full
of booze in the open, You clueless, fucking parasite. Nice touch, though, because,
like they are driving home the point that she knows
precisely nothing and is just forcing these other moms into
her cult of personality.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
She does come across as the kind of like persuasive
type though, right, Like, yes, she like forces you to
think what she likes. So I think she does a
good job being odious.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, she's she's not doing a bad job,
but that character is fucking evil. Yeah. And then they
get her worrying about kids bringing a knife and gun
to school when her kid brought the booze and the measles,
showing the complete hypocrisy of her position, and then the
where responsible parents? The police don't need to act like
the CIA about that.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
No you're not, No, they're not parents. No, but not
exactly how the CIA operates. They actually they would know
the CIA.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
They just kill him and you'd never even know they can't.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Well, what the CIA would do is they'd hire somebody
else to be like them and come in there and
maybe execute their leaders, and then take it over and
make it into an even worse anti vax or program.
Sure that's what the CIA would do.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Yeah, for real, Maybe that's what they're doing in.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
The South most likely.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yeah, so Finn calls out the system, saying, ain't shit
gonna happen to these rich white kids, even if they
did disseminate child pornography.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, it was nice to see Finn, even if only briefly.
So it's been a while.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
For well, and it was nice to see him get
to call out bullshit race nonsense. This episode would have
meant a lot more if these rich fucks killed Baby Dough.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
That would have been a pretty good turning point. But
now we would have missed out on all these wonderful
storylines that we've gotten with Baby Doyce since then.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah, now, for once, I don't hate the Baby Dough
storyline if it's sure it's happenstance that it happened, but
it does tie into this case, so like, at least
this one for once ties into an SVU case.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yeah, and it gives the case, you know, kind of
higher stakes. It works, the whole thing kind of works.
We see live getting to really feel like the case
has put her life on the line in a way
that we don't often get to see.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Right now, as a low grade hypochondriac, I think it's
pretty fucked out that Rollins won't feel Creasy's forehead.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
But she should get one of the little fancy gun
things that you can retemperature.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Oh, I don't think they had those things.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
I'd never seen one until COVID.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
But come on, Cariesy was just trying to get a
little rally. See time working.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Yeah, I mean, you know, he only had to wait.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Another seven seasons.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Six seasons, another six seasons after this, and they finally
made out. Good for that, Yeah, good job cares all right?
So Mom was right, Larry's a fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Larry's a fucking idiot.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
She also helps them to the anti vax conspiracy and
gets her son to roll on the kitty smut peddlers.
She's basically like doing their job for him. Right then, Noah,
on his third bout of pneumonia, in two years. Jesus
fucking Christ, that kid's gonna be dealing with some serious lungess.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, I mean, we got to do a rundown of
all the fucking problems. Baby Boydeau has lived through kidnappings, pneumonia.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Doctor Satrachian likes to ferborize, are you pulling that cry
it out shit with VMP?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, that's what you gotta do, man, You
gotta It's called self soothing. You let them, they wake up,
they scream, you go like, you ignore them, and they
go back to sleep. It works. It's fucking awesome.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Then my next note is he tries to throw them
off his scent, but Careesy ain't biting. What the fuck
was that about?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I don't know. Oh the doctor, okay.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
The doctor tries to throw him off his scent, like, oh,
there have been lots of doctors working here. Savannah thinks
loser Larry ruined the fun for everyone, which is okay.
I think you're missing the point here, Savannah. The uncoupled
Trudy Malco is half Paltrow, half McCarthy and all dumb fuck.
She then gets called typhoid Trudy by the other defense attorney,

(51:09):
doctor Tray cans a defense attorney.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
It's a good one.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Oh no, no, no shit, that's a typhoid truty. Susie
Esmond calls her typhoid truty.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Oh yeah, that makes more sense.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
And then she throws an in and you're welcome.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Barcolei's defense attorney was also pretty good, but it more
in the more in the like, uh, we don't want
to be anywhere near this fucking lady.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Yeah yeah, get us the fuck away from this lunatic
calls her Joan of arc Yeah, okay. So Rudnick's bow
tie should have been a tell to the entire audience
that something is way the fuck off with him.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Everything seemed off with him, but he also seemed like,
you know, a could expert witness. I believe him. Is
he his off as Sonya Paxton? Is that the deal?
Like his bow tie is her coffee cut.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
I can't wait until we get to this episode.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I'm looking forward to it now.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Because I know what happens. Yeah, I'm not gonna tell you.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
No, don't tell me. I want to be as fun
for I want to be surprised.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Yeah. Gotta love people who understand neither causation nor correlation,
making the determination that the MMR vaccine caused a complete
regression into autism. I also love this secondhand nonsense where
they can read much of anything from an infant. Oh
he was so.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Bright until the day he got it. Yeah, I know. Now,
So I'm trying to remember the shield because the whole
autism storyline definitely had kind of notes of anti vaxxer
propaganda and really made me.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
That's probably Kurt Suitor shit.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Yeah, I mean, and I don't remember exactly how they
played it. Anyways. The worst part of that show is
fucking Vick Macki's goddamn kids. Yeah, and I feel like
this one was it debunked it. But at the same time, man,
they really gave that lady a platform to spew that shit.
It's annoying for sure.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
My last note here is, you know, she gets convicted
of the second charge.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
But first, Yeah, the lesser charge I've looked.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Up on some fucking New York lawyer website. Yeah. First
degree reckless endangerment is a felony in New York, and
the standard you need to meet as the prosecution is
to prove that their conduct created a grave risk of
death to another person. Or showed a depraved indifference to
human life. It can be met with a sentence of
twenty eight months to seven years in prison if it's

(53:21):
your first defense. Second degree reckless endangerment is a misdemeanor,
but can still lead to a prison sentence of up
to one year and probation for up to three years,
along with possible community service and restitution. You also can't
expunge the charge of second degree from your.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Record, So whatever she needs to do or just to
prove a record, it'll show up. Right, let's rank this thing.
So we rank these episodes every week. We're trying to
kind of fit them into the canon of other svus

(54:01):
that we've watched. And this what's weird because we just
watched one of those two episodes earlier than this one.
I do not think it's at the same level as
parole violations. Was. I don't know about you.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
No, nor do I.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
But we have four criteria that we judge these on.
We do it on quality, guess how problematic it was,
and the depth and breadth of lives ruined. Now, the
weird thing is this might tick boxes kind of because
let's just start with that last one. Definitely a lot
of people's well, it guess it depends on how severe
their illness was.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
But I mean, I don't think we see anyone dying now.
I guess the bigger fallout would probably be the pictures online.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Well, the pictures online, but also, Josh, the sort of
MMR vaccine bullshit directly fed into the COVID vaccine bullshit.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Oh absolutely, yeah, which has.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
You know, led to anti science feeling six hundred thousand dead,
et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
And you know, fucking moron's leaving that they know more
than epidemiologists exactly, and you know, deciding that they're gonna
believe doctor Drew, who has no fucking background. He's a
fucking internist, Like what the fuck does he he doesn't
know shit about I mean, he already fucked up a lot,

(55:18):
and I've met him. He's like an okay guy to
it was actually nice. Yeah, And I was told explicitly
not to talk to him at all, because that's one
of those things that like when you're on a set,
the people for talent, they'll reach out and be like,
make sure no one talks to my client, you know,
the manager, the manager or the publicist or whoever will

(55:39):
say that, like make sure no one talks to doctor Drew,
and so we were very specifically told not to talk
to doctor Drew. But he was actually super nice, did
fucking pictures with people, and we were all instructed not
to like interact with him. Yeah, took pictures with people.
He asked me for a coffee, like from Crafting, and
I was like, it's really bad. I'm not I don't

(55:59):
think you want it. He's like, no, that's fine. I
can drink shitty coffee. And and I'm paraphrasing. He probably
didn't say shitty, but but he's like, oh, no, that's fine.
I was like, how do you take it? He's like, however,
he took it, you know, and then he was like
thankful for me having gotten it. And he was like
way more down to earth than his advanced people made

(56:20):
you think that he would have been. He was actually
super pleasant. But well, that being said, he's said a
lot of shit on TV that in on the radio
that is kind of deleterious to people.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah, and helped Adam Carolla's career get going, which is
pretty deleterious.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I would say that. I would say that Adam Carolla
probably was going to have that career anyway. Yea, he
was already on the radio before that.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I guess I just don't understand, Josh. I don't understand
how anybody could find that guy funny. Doesn't make any
sense to me.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
I mean I definitely had a time when Loveline was
on TV that I thought that show was funny. Yeah,
I will say that, But I was also like sixteen exactly.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Okay, So back to this, sorry, the depth and breadth
of life's ruins. What do you think five? I don't know.
Four nobody dies, It's probably more like.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
A nobody dies, But the overarching it is like an
anti vax issue, like how do we weigh six hundred
thousand dead? Yeah, on this episode, it's not this isn't
a COVID episode.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
But it's not.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Yeah, this thinking directly feeds into that.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yes, exactly, the anti science.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I think it's tangential, not so tangential that it shouldn't
weigh in on the rating, but probably a five.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Okay, let's give it a five, So we're we're kind
of boosting it from maybe like a three if there
was no no COVID Okay, right, right, Okay.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Because the only the only real damage is to baby.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Dope, and he's fine after this. I mean he comes
back and.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
We don't know that he doesn't have serious asthma.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Of course he has serious asthma. Josh, he has serious everything.
So how problematic was it again? Same thing? Yeah, Well,
it's actually got two kind of big problematics parts, because.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
I mean it's got the whole sexualizing of minors.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
It sure does, not just sexualizing them, but also like
there's I think a screen time with that sexualization. Right,
So it's like one thing when we see a second
unit photo, right that the flashes on the screen for
ten seconds, and I say it's a show.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
It's another thing where they're stewing in it. And that
four was hot two minutes. Yeah, the song, the song
was the song was very much about what was going
on in a fucked up way.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
I mean, it's just a horrible and it was terrible,
horrible song.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Yeah, So it's problematic that they made us sit through
that song. Give me a number, then, shit, it's probably
a six.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, it's probably a six. I think it's a six. Yeah,
because it's problematic for sure, Yeah, yeah, and arguably, but
it's after the credits roll, the problematic stuff is not
really fun No, And then okay, guests, I thought the guests.
Susie Iceman is great, she's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yeah, she's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Everybody else was pretty good, and there was a lot
of them.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
And Missy Pyle was good at being that part.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yeah, absolutely, she was very good. Chazz Palmentary kid was
good at being kind of a shithead teenage guy.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
I mean all the teenagers were good at being presumably themselves.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeahtheads, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Susie Esmond being great isn't enough to like raise it
much past like a three or a four for me. Yeah,
I think you're like, it's not none of them were bad,
but there's not a lot to do, and it's really just.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
It's fairly by the numbers with this kind of funny
lady from a different TV show who's in it.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Yeah, who just lays ways to everyone in her path.
It's fantastic, typhoid true.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Let's give it a four because she's okay.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Yeah, Susie Sman's great.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
She's really funny. And then and I.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Mean really every scene she's in it's just like, oh,
this is fucking Susie at ten. She is not holding back.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
She's just Bulldoline is like, you're almost as dumb as
your father is. Really. Yeah, Now, overall quality, I don't
think it's very good. It's not that good. It's like
a two or three for me. It's not dog shit,
but it's not very good. Maybe if I think it's
probably a okay, Okay, it's not a two.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I think two is reserved.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
For Have we given a two before?

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Oh, we've given twos before.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I don't think we've given two. No, we've given a
two to that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
I know we've given a two before.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Choice we're looking at sandwich handling through pandemic eyes. We
gave a two.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
This is better than that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Yeah, probably better than that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
That episode's interminable.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Yeah, this is not interminable. It does move, so it's
got that going for it. I mean, the courtroom stuff
is boring, but it usually is, and Barbers always makes
it a little bit better. I think he plays it
pretty well. Okay, so the final score is a four
point five. That seems about right. Let's see what else
is in the four point five area. We also gave
a four point five to that. Nick Chinlund execution execution

(01:00:43):
three point fifteen. Our job is to sit there and
enjoy it. And that's the only other four point five.
You know, we almost gave him exactly the same rankings
for everything, and yet I can't imagine two being they're
pretty different.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Yeah, yeah, Execution is a weird episode.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Oh yeah, big time execution.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
And there's a fucking thirty six hours earlier or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
It goes backwards. I think might be dead for most
of it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Okay, so we will fire up the randomizer here. Nice
going over to episode dot lol, which is fueled by
friend of the Pod flat nice and the tape spinning.
Bill and Ted are not pleased to be going through this.
And we've got season four, episode five Disappearing acts. Benson

(01:01:39):
and Stabler clash with an assistant US attorney, Pam Greer
when their rape victim and their prime suspect disappear into
witness protection. This one is directed by Alexakrevski. However, you
see his name, he's a ep on him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Bosh Michael kel before in an episode.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
We have, yeah, in the Andrew McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Episode, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Yeah, and oh and John Hurd's in it too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Nice. Well, I might have to like try to do
a remote recording. I'll go across one hundred and ten
streets so we can. Okay, cool, use that song?

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Yeah, yeah, sounds good. I don't know. That's uh, that's
episode for next week, Disappearing Acts four or five.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I'm excited. I love Pam Grew, She's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
So yeah, it should be fun. Ask always make sure
to head over to Apple Podcasts or Podchaser or I
think you can review on Google podcasts as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
So I think you can review on Spotify. I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Everybody don't know that you can on Spotify, but if
you can fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Review it, you can't review on Stitcher.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
No, you can't review on Stitcher. Lame, agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
But Apple definitely helps a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Yeah, Apple helps a ton. And that's like pretty much
half of every podcast is listened to on Apple Podcasts.
So please rate and review the podcast. Throw those five
stars our way. Follow us on the socials. We've got
a subreddits and all of our social media is at
munch my Benson. I think that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Yeah, I think so, So you know, keep on munching guys. Yep,
we'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Munch Everyone's Benson.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Nine teenagers alone in a ten million dollar loft in Tribeca.
What could possibly go wrong? And they got drunk and high,
stripped down and had a oral sex competition.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
They used different shitties of lipstick. Guy, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
No teachers, they're all miners.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Arranging in age from fourteen to sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
No one's claiming corresion since no minor engage in sexual
activity with anybody you over eighteen. I don't see such story.
You don't, not your call, but you're right. The bigger
issue is these photos. How suplicit you they gat of
yourself here? Okay, huh you uh realize that just showing

(01:05:07):
me these could be considered a federal crime. Seriously. Yeah,
if that's your personal tablet, I'd get rid of those

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