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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Michael Cairen, get up, you got company.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Whatever it is, I didn't do.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
It, You have an interesting resume, Michael, shoplifting a few
bens and personatching.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm not very good at it, or I wouldn't keep
getting pinched, So I know I can't help you.

Speaker 4 (00:16):
What do you guys do here? Anyway?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
We catch rapists, pedophiles, and murderers. Damn Well, in that case,
I can honestly say that, whatever it.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Is, I didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
I am no short eyes. I have never touched a
woman that I didn't have to pay for it.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Well, you wrote, moron, We're just looking for some background.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
In New York City, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous.
These are their stories. Hey guys, welcome to munch my Bens.
And my name is Adam. I am here in New
York City. I am joined by Josh Dugan. How's it

(01:16):
going at your bro's house?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Josh, that's going all right? Eating in places that either
or not the place that they were when I last
lived in this burgh or or are and have drastically
changed and expanded a lot. So, but I think all
the foods surprised me as being better than I expected.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
That's good. I mean it's like not a tiny community, right,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
There's no, no, no, it's a I mean I technically
lived on the Minnesota side of the river when I
was growing up.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
But it's like a conurbation, right, they're kind of bleed
into each other.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Correct, Well, Lacresse and Lacrosse don't because of the river.
There's there's basically like three miles of islands and shit
in between. Ah okay, but yeah, it's a Lacrosse is
like the sort of center of about a one hundred
and fifty maybe two hundred thousand people in the area.

(02:18):
I think it's one hundred and fifty closer to one
hundred and fifty. And uh yeah. So it's got three colleges.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
And yeah, exactly right. There's stuff. There's like people there,
who yeah, there's stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
It's yeah, yeah, and Lacrosse has Lacrosse is a big
drinking town. Not that I'm necessarily doing that right now,
but I across well, I mean going out to drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I have hitting the town red.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I have gone out to drink a couple of times
since we've moved here, but that's because you know, I can.
I've got like bars within you know, one hundred yards
of where I live. Yeah, you know, I can hit
two different Indian restaurants with a rock from my windows. Oh,
you know, that's right. It's a little different up here.
But what isn't different is that I brought every goddamn

(03:07):
awful piece of Galveston weather with me up here to
New York City. So I kind of was expecting it
to be hot and muggy, and it has been. It's
been very hot and very muggy, which is, you know,
not exactly what I was looking forward to when I
left Galveston. But what I didn't expect was tropical fucking storms, Josh.
And that's what we've got for the last two days.

(03:29):
We had something like five inches of rain. I took
the dog and the kid out for a walk yesterday
when it wasn't raining, and then sort of midway through
our walk, apparently one of the strongest downpours in New
York City history occurred. Thankfully, ID brought an umbrella with
me and we weren't that far from an actually a

(03:49):
one hundred percent lovely place to watch this storm go over.
There's there's this it's called the East River Esplanade that
goes pretty close to my house where you can walk
up and down the East River and you can go jogging.
And I wasn't planning to go there, but I knew
that there's this one spot on the esplanade that's covered
for about a block, and so we were able to
kind of dash to that cover and just sort of

(04:12):
hang out there while the lightning was going off and
the storm was going crazy, and we could see the
you know, the Queensboro Bridge in the background, which is
one of the really dramatic, cool looking bridges as it's
kind of coming in and out of you with the
with the visibility. So that was fun. Man, this morning
he has more rain and wind and all that crap.

(04:33):
And then it got super hot again. So it's like, God,
damn it, I can just be September already and it
gets to fall, I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, like New York summer.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Heat, it's disgusting.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Is this special kind of fucking misery.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, it's just like it's brutal. The every every the
temperature is like wrong every place you go. It's like
the subway platforms just soak up this unnumb an imaginable
amount of heat. There are these disgusting smells coming from
every direction and you can't quite place them. But of course,
I mean, one kind of unique thing about New York

(05:09):
City is just the piles of trash that are everywhere.
There's everywhere, there's piles of trash because somehow the greatest
city in the world hasn't figured out what I think
almost every other major city has figured out, which is
how to throw away trash with at least the barest
amount of you know, like sanitation involved. Anyways, it's it's insanity.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Oh for sure. Like when we when we were there,
I think the last day when we flew out, it
was maybe eighty five degrees but like I don't know,
fifteen percent humidity.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, it's hot. Eighty five is hot here.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah, eighty five is hot. And so we we get
in the plane and then you know, fly to Austin,
d board and it's one hundred and fucking five in Austin. Yeah,
and it felt better.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Oh yeah, Austin. Austin's dry. Austin doesn't feel bad after
living in Galveston for eight years, Like going to Austin,
like my nose gets dry and like my I need
to put lip balm On. It's like, this is too
dry for me.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
The wet years in Austin are a special kind of
miserable also, But man, you don't I did like I'd
rather have the I'd rather have it be over one
hundred every day.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Yeah, it's true. I mean having again having lived in Galveston.
The oh ninety one degrees in Galveston is worse than
just about anything you could possibly imagine. Right, But I
feel like it's time to talk about a very plot
heavy episode of SVU that we watched. Josh, Yeah, hold on,

(06:39):
let me figure out. It is called Disappearing X. It's
from season four. It is episode I did not write
this down, So I'm season four, episode five, Disappearing AX.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
And trying to help you out with my hand there.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Oh, I wasn't. I was tabbing through shit and I
wasn't didn't have the zoom open. So let's get to
my recap, guys, because it's kind of a long one,
all right. Mark is quitting his job. He didn't feel
like suffering humiliation at the hands of Boss Amanda Curry,
so he's packed up his desk and is walking out.

(07:15):
Pol Walter tries to talk him down. From the ledge,
but Mark is having none of it and bursts into
her office to confront her. Inside, he finds the room
trash smelling like a public urinal, with a naked, battered
Amanda tied up in a supply closet. Needless to say,
Mark feels kind of like an asshole. Benson and Stabler
arrive at the hospital to discover that Amanda had been

(07:36):
brutally raped by a condom wearing assailant, but before they
can speak with her, she is cuffed and taken into
FBI custody for a host of money laundering and racketeering charges.
Amanda had been doing some off the books book keeping
for organized crime, and svu's rape case is clearly going
to be playing second fiddle to whatever bullshit the FEDS
are cooking up. Assistant US Attorney Claudia Williams tells them

(08:00):
as much, but says that Amanda's underworld contacts have been
responsible for the attack. Shit, God, damn it, I'm joshing
this shit up. Assistant US Attorney Claudia william tells them
as much, but says that if Amanda's underworld contacts have
been responsible for the attack, then she wouldn't still be alive.
Amanda doesn't have much to offer SFU's case, but her

(08:23):
interrogation quickly veers into off limits territory, and Foxy brown
Esquire cuts the conversation short, but not before Benson a Stabler,
learned that she'd been working for a man named Sergei Pearlman,
who belongs to the Russian mafia. Back at the crime scene,
the purpose Urine is more forthcoming. His DNA was a

(08:44):
match for two other unsolved rapes in Brooklyn, and he's diabetic.
The other two victims were heavily connected to Pearlman, but
Brooklyn SVU ran into NYPD's own organized crime unit the
way that SVU ran into the FEDS, so they're not
going to get much help from their friends. Across the
East River, Finn and Munch were able to get camera
footage of the perps Ford Focus, and all three victims

(09:07):
were members of the same gym, even though two of
them lived.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well over an hour away from it.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
And guess what, Peter Sipes, the gym's owner, drives a
focus himself as Pete McAllister, I'm sorry. Peter Sipes is
brought in for questioning a low life scumbag in the
precinct waiting room thinks he recognizes him as a Gregory
from Los Angeles. Sipes claims to not be diabetic and
refuses a DNA swab without a warrant. So Craigan proposes

(09:35):
that Amanda Curry does a voice lineup, which, though unlikely
to get a conviction on its own, would at least
get them probable cause for a warrant for his DNA.
One problem, kind of a big problem. Amanda is not
at the FED lock up anymore. In fact, there is
no record of an Amanda Curry ever having been in
the federal system, so it's back to the grind. While

(09:58):
Peter's prince aren't in the system, he and his son
have consecutive Social Security numbers, which might indicate that Peter
and his son Gavin are both in the Witness Protection program,
which would explain the ausa's interest in the case and
make the waiting room drunks identification somewhat plausible. Since they
obviously can't ask AUSA coffee about the Sipes, they do

(10:21):
the next best thing and interview Michael, carrying the waiting
room's comeback. He thought he'd seen a guy named Gregory
Rossovich who was in way over his head with the
Russian mob in la doing all kinds of frauds and scams.
Caring thought that Rossovich had been killed in a car
bombing as the exclamation point on a series of murders
connected to anyone and everyone who Rossovich knew, including his

(10:43):
parents and his other associates. Predictably, Sipes is long gone
by the time Benson and Stabler head back to his
house with a warrant for his DNA, So back to
the grind again. Williams agrees to provide Svu with pipes
blood test, but refuses to allow as for you to
administer the test, which could lead to some chain of
evidence problems in court later on. She's also firmly convinced

(11:06):
that Sipes did not commit the rapes and is willing
to go to great lengths to protect a man who
has provided the Department of Justice with nearly all of
the information it has on the Russian Mob, including information
which might take down Boss Pearlman, who is responsible for
two hundred and fifty seven known murders. Cabott puts in

(11:27):
a habeas corpus petition, which is immediately overruled, but Williams
does produce four vials of Peter Pipe's blood, along with
affidavits from the lab tex who drew it, making it
admissible evidence. There is, of course a problem. Sypes DNA
does not match that found at the rape scenes, but
someone who shares a Y chromosome with Peter is a match,

(11:49):
which can only mean that Peter's son, Gavin, was the rapist.
BNS find Claudia casually investigating a double homicide, which she
has no problems strolling away from, and then she informs
them that Gavin was no longer in witness protection as
he refuse to join his father on his latest move,
so she can't produce Gavin for them. She does tell

(12:09):
them something useful, though. Gavin is an inveterate gambler who
owes over four hundred thousand dollars to an underground casino
masquerading as an Italian restaurant in Little Italy. The exceptionally
sleazy club owner tells Stabler and Benson that he's not
interested in killing Gavin over his debts unless Gavin tries
to skip town, and that Peter agreed to come meet

(12:31):
him to discuss some payment terms. Later, Peter tells Livin
Elliott all about Gavin's unpleasant childhood, how he was forced
to change not just schools and homes, but also names
and backstories all the time. He tells them a whole
lot about his experience with the Russians that I'm sure
Ausa Williams would not be pleased with. He was a
chemist by training, was coerced into helping them smuggle massive

(12:53):
quantities of grain alcohol into Europe disguised his mouthwash. He
met his wife Anna during the scam and and then
got roped into more and more fraudulent activity gas to activation, medicare, fraud, extortion, etc.
Anna was caught skimming money off the top and executed,
which prompted Peter Slash Gregory to turn to the FEDS.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
He agrees to help s.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
For You by arranging a supervised visit with Gavin at
Peter's safehouse, where Gavin can then be taken safely into custody.
So Live and Elliott drive up to Connecticut to stake
out the safe house, and eventually two US Marshals arrive
with Gavin. When the Marshals open the house's garage door,
they find Peter and another Marshall shot dead.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Misreading the situation.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Benson and Stabler run at full tilt towards the Marshals
with their steel out, and are immediately confronted by the
two angrier, touchier, and considerably more heavily armed Feds. Our
heroes are arrested and taken in and interrogated. Williams and
the rest of the FEDS are thoroughly pissed about Svu's
involvement in Syfe's death and essentially accused the two of conspiracy,

(14:00):
but she did send Gavin to Midtown South at least,
and eventually agrees to let our detectives go even though
they are still under investigation. Now. Of course, Elliott and
live need to solve the Sipes murder in order to
clear their own names and settle this intercontinental blood feud
once and for all. They tracked on that scumbag Carrying's
phone calls from Riker's to his undocumented girlfriend, who works

(14:20):
in a mobbed up restaurant in Brighton Beach. Karen claims
that if he talked, he'd be just as dead as Sipes.
So the team heads off to the next potential killer,
the pornographically sleazy gambling club owner, who tells him that
Gavin's debt was paid in full in cash just the
other day. That leaves Gavin as the only one who
could possibly be involved. He dials up the Crazy and

(14:43):
tells Elliott all about his strange unforgiving childhood. Gavin was
taking out his vast wall of anger towards his parents
on anyone who worked for the Organizazia, but raping and
beating three women didn't satisfy his lust for revenge, so
Gavin made a deal with sergeb hair Perlman. Pearlman would
pay Gavin's debt in full, and Gavin gave the Russian

(15:05):
mob the address of Peter's safehouse. Stabler and Benson then
arrest Pearlman, but are immediately informed that a masked attacker
disguised as a prison guard had killed Gavin and a
whole bunch of other people in the yard, A lot,
a lot of people. Yeah, So since Gavin was the
crux of their case, Pearlman has to be let go.

(15:28):
Claudia's life's work has been flushed down the drain, and
SVU is left holding their dicks while we are left
with a don't stick your nose into a dog's ass
if you don't want to smell some shit, dick wolf. Yeah,
they really, they really opened.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I mean they've fucked this case so thoroughly. I'm like,
you know, we like to rag on the on them
sometimes for doing bad police work. Holy fucking shit.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Shit man, I mean.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
It's unfathomable how bad their police work is here. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
To what end are they doing this police work too? Right?
So like to take yeah, to like like to like
find justice for this woman who has been disappeared by
the Feds, like she doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah. Man, it is just fucking baffling. Okay, So let's
I guess jump into guest stars.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, and we have some real, honest to god fucking
stars in this one at least two, and one other
one that is thankfully unrecognizable as an adult, but but
it might be a little more recognizable as a child.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
So where do you want to start, Josh?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Not with him, all right, So I feel like we
need to start with Pam motherfucking grip.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, the legend Pam Grew.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yes, she's playing assistant US attorney Claudia Williams here. This
is her first of two appearances on SVU as Claudia
Williams showing up again ten episodes after this one in Pandora.
She was born in Winston Salem, North Carolina. She was
an army bratt growing up. Her family eventually settled in Denver,

(17:24):
where she went to high school and college. She's really
inarguably the queen of the black exploitation ubra.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, just kind of exploitation in general,
because she was.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
It was crossover.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, she was in all kinds of women in prison
movies and like weird, like gladiat.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
I've seen so many of them come. So she's in Coffee,
Foxy Brown, The Big Dollhouse, Women in Cages, Black Mama,
White Mama, Scream Blackulous, Scream Bucktown, USA, Friday Foster. She
was really like a fucking force.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
And nature in all those yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
But yeah, like all those New World Cinema movies and anyway,
she's she's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, I mean, and then her career takes like such
a turn, just yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
She settled into career. She settled into character work until
the latter half of the nineties, when she was in
Escape from La and then Jackie Fucking Brown, which garnered
her a golden globe. I would posit that she should
have won them a lot more than that, because Jackie
Brown's fucking amazing.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
It's great. It's easily my favorite Tarantino movie, but it
might be mine.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
I mean, I think the first three are. I think
it's I'm not a big pulp fiction.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, I like pulp fiction a lot. I'm not a
big rosive war Dogs fan. In retrospect. I liked it
when it was like when I was much younger, but
I don't like it anymore.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
I haven't seen it in probably fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
I find his his diet lot can get incredibly grading
at times, and I think that's what I like so
much about Jackie Brown is that.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
It's not him just channeling Elmore.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Let him as a director I think is great, but
him as a writer sometimes irritates me.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Yeah, Yeah, he can. He can go go so stylized
and so like specifically stylized. That is just sort of like,
at a certain point, don't people talk like people?

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah? And so since then, though, she's had quite the
career renaissance, even though she never really stopped working. She
was in great stuff in the earlier or n Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
She's a Sigall's partner in what above the law, I believe,
and she was. She was in the.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Package and Bill and Ted's bogus Journey.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, but like in small.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Parts escape from La she had a big part.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Right right she But yeah, she's in the package with
Gene Hackman and John Hurd.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
More recently, she was main cast on the l Wor
and Bless this Mess. She she also she survived cervical
cancer that they the doctors told her she only had
eighteen months to live, and that was in nineteen eighty eight,
so they were wrong and she beat it. She also
dated leu Al Sindor right before he converted to Islam

(20:20):
and became Carmo Adultchabar. Really he tried to get her
to marry him, but said that she would have to convert.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
To ISLAMI yeah, which makes sense.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah yeah. But she also dated Richard Pryor Man and
there's a lot of.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Her.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Her Wikipedia page goes into a strange amount of detail
regarding Richard Pryor and cocaine ending up in her person
because he was putting it on his dick.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Okay, well that's I mean that seems to me like
it could be an urban legend, but maybe not.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
You know, I don't know that it is though anyway,
because she wrote like I think that's from I didn't
check the sources on her Wikipedia page, but I think
that might actually be from a memoir. And she also
dated Freddy Prince. Nice, yeah, senior Freddie. Yeah, I was
gonna say hot, although yeah whatever. So next up, we've

(21:22):
got John.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Hurd, Yeah, we sure do, John Hurd, who has kind
of like almost an opposite career. Yes, where John Hurd.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Was well, but he's also had such shit.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
But he was in like he was in leading roles.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
In like oh okay, he was hot shiites in like
the from about nineteen nineteen seventy eight until about nineteen
eighty six or so.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Like was like, like, I'm looking at this, all of
these movies that I haven't seen. I want to see, Like, oh,
I've seen almost all the Cutter's Way, Cutters way awesome.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
I've seen Cutters in the last two years. I've seen
Cutters Way, cat People between the Lines, Chud.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Have you seen Rush After Hours?

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Russia? Looks great, it's apparently the best bike messenger movie.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Nice, then I need to see but yeah, he so
he grew up in d C to a father who
worked in the Defense department at the Pentagon. At one
point his father was in the Secretary of Defense Office.
He went to college at Clark University in Worcester and
Catholic American University in d C. He was a stage

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actor in the seventies, winning a World Theater Award and
too Obie's and film he starred in Between the Lines, Heartbeat,
Cutter's Way, Cat People, Chud, The Trip to Bountiful, After Hours,
Big Beaches, Home Alone, Awakenings, Radio Flyer, The Pelican Brief,
Snake Eyes, Pollock, and Sharknado.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
I was going to be pissed if you didn't mention
Snake Eyes, right, Look.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I mean, Snake Eyes is kind of a bullshit movie,
but still nick Cage. He also watched another Brian de
Palmer when the other day and it's just like fucking
solidified everything I hate about Brandon Palmer. But whatever.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
He also John Hurd had Again, We've kind of seen
a lot of these, which is understandable. SVU is obviously
a tri state area, you know, production, and we've seen
a lot of these sopranos actors. His role in season one,
I think it's just season one of The Sopranos.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
Vision he pops up again later, but it's in a
dream sequence. I mean, his Emmy nomination is for season one.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
He's in it, so they're like Tony by the end
of it, when Tony's kind of like Tony gets shot
and whatever. But but he has his dream sequences where
he sees all these people that he did wrong. And
Heard is like a corrupt Newark detective, like vice squad
guy who helps Tony out. He tell he actually tells

(23:51):
Tony that Big Pussy was was turning State's evidence on him.
But anyways, Heard is fucking great in the Prano's just
fucking great, showing like the absolute range that this role
in the SVU would have had or could have had
had it been a season long arc instead of one

(24:13):
episode with just like three seasons worth of plot crammed
into it. Did you mention that he's in starring in
White Chicks as well, Josh, because another classic film.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
No.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I skipped a lot of his later stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
I mean, Heard, the thing about herd right is like
he was in big ass movies where he's clearly making
residuals that are keeping him comfortable for a lifetime.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
I mean, Big Beaches and Home Alone. Yeah, it's sucking gigantic.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Exactly gigantic movies, and yet the guy does not stop acting.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
He's there's a weird So he he was sort of
like in his later years because he died in twenty seventeen.
I believe he died from cardiac arrest in Palo Alto.
He was recovering from back surgery at stan Andford. Apparently,
toxicology reports obtained by TMZ said he had a pharmacy

(25:05):
of drugs in the system at the time of death.
So yeah, who knows how much it was cardiac arrest
and how much it was, you know, a mix of
prescription drugs.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Dude had four fourth credits come out in twenty eighteen
though after his death.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
So yeah, it's a weird situation where he Okay, I
get the sense that in real life kind of an asshole.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I mean, but he was.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Married to Margo Kidder for six days. He fathered a
child with Melissa Leo, who he was arrested and charged
for a third degree assault for allegedly slapping her in
nineteen ninety one, and in nineteen ninety seven he was
found guilty of trespassing it Leo's home. He ran through
women really quickly. He had multiple marriages that were less
than a year long. If you watch his early eighties

(25:59):
stuff like Cutter's Way, for instance, or even cat People,
he he plays a charismatic asshole a lot, and I
feel like it probably wasn't a stretch. Were after hours too,
Like if you watch all of those, he's the charismatic asshole,
like or home Alone, and so he I he sort

(26:28):
of expressed regret at how he handled his career early on,
because I mean he was he was mentioned in the
same breath as there was sort of a running joke
going around in the early eighties like you can't tell
John Hurd from John Hurt from William Hurt. Yeah, like

(26:48):
they all like they're they were all like mentioned in
the same breath, and this is you know, John Hurt
had been fucking elephant many and William Hurt, who I
love it was a hot shiit actor in the early eighties.
I just don't like his acting. He was inarguably a

(27:09):
very big deal. Uh So it's it's weird how how
his career sort of sort of tanked.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, I mean he's still he worked.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
He kept working, but it was you know, it wasn't
like he had the same career arc as William Hurt. No,
but I think he probably wore out his welcome on
the big the big features and uh not that William
Hurt is still doing those either, but William Hurt has

(27:43):
ego issues.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
So anyway, So moving past John Hurd, then we've got
Tom guyriy I was playing. He's playing Gavin Sipes slash
Nikolai Rossovich. He's Journey, He's Jersey born and raised. He
currently lives in Myrtle Beach. Anytime I can mention Myrtle

(28:09):
Beach and try not to.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Laugh, what do you what's funny about Myrtle Beach?

Speaker 3 (28:13):
What's not funny about Myrtle Beach. It's a mess.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
So I have not been to Myrtle Beach, but I
did spend like basically a whole week driving past southern
beach towns and a fuck all of them. That's my
that's my takeaway from probably for sure holiday weekends in
the summertime.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
So Tom Gyrie was in the fucking sand lot. He
was fucking Smalls, and I fucking hate hop and I
hate Smalls.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
The top building he's a ship kid in the Sandlot.
That's who we are. Yeah, that's how.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
He was also in Lassie with Helen Slater as his mom.
Weird he's then he like quickly grew up, because four
or five years later he's in U five seven to
one as one of the fucking dudes. He's in Tigerland,
Black Hawk Down, Mister River, The Revenant, and Brawl and
Cell Block ninety nine. I hate miss Oh, I hate

(29:06):
Mister River to It's it's I think the only I'm
pretty sure it's the only fucking Dennis Lahane novel I
have not read, and I bet the novel's fine, but
I fucking hated the movies so much. Yeah, because I
don't like Eastwood. It's the director anyway, He Tom Guyriy
was also main cast in The Black Donaldy's with Jonathan Tucker,

(29:29):
Kirk Oscevedo, Kate Mulgrew, and Olivia Wilde.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
So like everybody we've seen so far.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, everybody we've seen, and you know, the incomparable Olivia Wilde.
Then we've got Caprice Benedetti who is playing Amanda Curry.
She was born and raised in Seattle. She played Maria
Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman's character's mother, the deceased one
in the flashback scenes in Practical Magic. She appears in

(29:58):
another SVU All the Way Up in twenty sixteen. She
is also in two episodes of Criminal Intent and two
of the original series. She had recurring part in Brotherhood
and had bit parts in the two thousand Shaft remake
and The Devil's Advocate And if I remember her, I
remember correctly. Her character's name and The Devil's Advocate was

(30:21):
Minajato woman.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, exactly, so you know which one it is if
you've seen the film.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, uh huh uh. Then we've got Michael Kelly, who's
playing Mark in the opening scene. We talked about him
back in Munchma Benson episode fifty four. I really got
to do a rectal so, which is a line he
says in the episode.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, Michael Kelly has great parts in s FU. Yeah,
I mean yeah, yeah, he slays this part.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, he's great. And then we've got a but if
you want to listen to us talk about that, you
can go back and listen to fifty four.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, but we'll get more. We'll get into his part
because I think we'll probably that'll be a big part
of what we talk about.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Is the'll be like half of the episode. So then
we've got Kelly Kirkland playing the er doctor. This is
her second time playing a doctor in munch My Benson,
presumably the same one first appearing in Risk, which we
covered back in munch of My Benson episode twenty six.
They are not going to d sex Mark, They're not
going to d SX Hargetae for the sake of an
undercover operation. She shows up in two more SBUs after

(31:22):
this as different characters. Then we've got Lewis Carboneau who's
playing CSU Tech Supervisor Harry. This is his last of
twelve appearances as this character. We previously saw him in Prodigy.
The rest of his credits aren't that interesting. We've got
Keith Redden playing the lab tech, the one who's really

(31:44):
full of himself. He's from Inglewood, New Jersey. He went
to Northwestern and then Yale School of Drama. He is
a playwright. He was also in Big with John Hurd, Yeah,
Big Reversal of Fortune, Plutionary Road, and Tou Wangfu. We've
also got another playwright and Michael Peter Bollis who's playing

(32:07):
Michael Carring. He got his BFA from USC and a
master's degree in playwriting from Boston University. He had a
postgraduate fellowship studying with Derek Walcott in Boston after his
BU stint. Then he was in He's been in two

(32:28):
episodes of the original series, two episodes of Criminal Intent
and one of Law and Order Los Angeles. One of
the very few cast members Lawn Order LA. He had
small roles in Dragged Me to Hell and Dolomite Is
My Name. Since twenty fourteen, he's been the Department Chair
of Liberal Arts at Los Angeles Film School and he

(32:49):
also teaches some film classes at Santa Monica College. And
last one on my list is Joe Maruzzo, who is
playing Joe Tucci. He he also writes in addition to acting.
He played a garbage man in Nine and a Half Weeks,
which I thought was pretty interesting. He was main cast

(33:10):
in unsub, a short lived Stephen J. Knell series about
FBI forensics experts from nineteen eighty nine, alongside David Soul,
Richard Kind, and m Emmett Walsh. And he was also
Joe Peeps and the Sopranos.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Yeah, his role in the Sopranos was not small, but
it was not nearly as memorable as John Hurd's John.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
He's actually in more episodes. He's in seven episodes to
herds five.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, exactly, but I heard it. You know. Whatever his
problems might have been, he's he's a damn good actor
at times.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
So yeah, he can act the shit out of a scene.
I mean, it's just he was probably not entirely pleasant
to work with. Yeah, and he's almost always playing, at
least at his peak, is almost always playing an asshole.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, that's true. You're right, he is always always in hassle.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I mean, I've seen a lot of John Heurd movies
since the pandemic started, like a weird amount, probably six
of them, and yeah, almost exclusively that guy anyway, Joe
or what's his fuck? Joe Maruzzo was also in three
episodes of the original series, in one of Criminal Intent.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah, I mean this one last one that I've got, Brian,
I don't know how to pronounced his name, Delate de Latte.
He plays the white US Marshall who draws guns at
Benson and Stabler, the one who threatens to murder them regardless,
kill them, I guess. Not really murder.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
He's got a fuck load of credits.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, he has a fuckload of credits. He was in
five episodes of the original series. This is his second
episode of SVU. He was in another one called man
Hunt from two thousand and one. He was Truman's dad
in The Truman Show.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
That was the one interesting credit that I almost decided
to put him on my list and then was like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
And you know, he was a Vietnam that he he
was a non commissioned officer and did a bunch of
work where am I. He was also in Buffalo Soldiers,
which is, you know, somewhat memorable. Where did I have
that written down? Blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Uh fuck?

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Oh, yeah, he was in He was in jack Knife
with Robert de Niro and Ed Harris. That's what I
was remembering, which I've never seen Jackknife, but but.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
No, I remember it came out like the same time
that I think, the same time that Bill and Ted's
Excellent Adventure came out, if I remember correctly, And we
could either go to Jackknife or Bill and Ted, I think,
and we chose Bill and Ted.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I mean, I haven't seen jack.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
I may be misremembering I know where I was staying
when I almost saw jack Knife and did not.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
But apparently it's supposed to be a you know, kind
of movie you can't make nowadays, but a nineteen eighty
nine kind of like slice of life, look at what
it's like to be a to be a Vietnam vet
dealing with the pain of coming home. And he's a
real life Vietnam vets. So it was a It was
probably a good casting, but that was definitely the highlight

(36:07):
of his of his acting career. He's had tons of work,
but none of it has been, you know, starring opposite
de Niro like that was. But yeah, that's all I've got, really.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
And that's one of those like quiet, quiet, contemplative DeNiro
movies exactly kind of doing in the late eighties early nineties.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, when he'd have a beard, you can tell when
he's when de Niro has a beard, it's it's Awakenings
or yeah it's a thinking man's film.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, yeah, but it's weird. I kind of like those
de Niro movies more.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
I mean they're they're.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
I also like the quiet, the quieter fucking Pachina movies.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Oh absolutely, like give me a sea of love any day.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Over fucking scent of a woman.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Uh ooh huh. I can't believe he won the fucking
Best Actor percent of a woman. God damn it.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Over goddamn Stephen Ray Who.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Now I'm just going to throw this in here. There's
only one location that I looked up in this one,
and I'm glad I did so. It was the location
of Milano's, which is the fake restaurant that Joe Maruzzo
runs as a gambling club. It's supposedly at one fourteen Mulberry.
Now there is the rare instance where that address actually exists. Now,

(37:23):
the thing is, the reason they used it for this
is because until twenty fourteen, for as long back as
I can tell, it was a parking lot. So it's
an empty lot until at least nineteen sixty eight, and
probably decades before then. So sixty eight is just when
the current owner purchased the lot. Now nowadays it's a

(37:43):
perfectly bland, modern luxury apartment building with an empty storefront
in the ground forward. So it's like, yeah, it's like
what you would expect in a former parking lot, but
before then, especially.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
A former parking lot in that neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, exactly. So this is obviously so Mulberry Street is
Little Italy. It is. It is a heavily it is
a tourist trap district. Nowadays there are some good restaurants there,
but basically it's like it's like ground zero for for
like gift shops and shot keys and bullshit like that.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
But and if you wanted good Italian food, you'd go
to Krese's mom's house on Stanton.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Sure. I mean, yeah, there's there's a lot of Italians around,
but you can find it, but specifically but so but that,
but this parking lot been used for a lot more
than just parking, as it turns out. So before it
got bolded, well it got you know, dug up and
turned into a shitty planned apartment complex. Uh it was. Uh,
there's a community arts projects used it a lot. So

(38:41):
there's something called Lisa, which is a little Italy street
art project which now has painted socially conscious murals across
Lower Manhattan. And then there's the Lowman that's Lower Manhattan
Arts Festival was there for several years.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
So these were it's not named after Willy Loman, I know,
it's not.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
It's not named after Willy Loman. But the were definitely
better uses of space than the the the current building
that is there. So I thought that was interesting. And
I have yet to go to Well.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
I've been to.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Soho once while I was here, since i've been here
in fux Soo man, oh my god. But but I
have not been over to like proper Chinatown, little Italy.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, did you get to Washington's Square Park at all?

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I haven't been. I haven't gotten to Washington Square Park yet.
I mean, it's it's a long ways to go with
a one year old. And also I've been to those
places in the past, so like, and there's so much
to do in my neighborhood that I've been out. Like
we went to Tompkins Square Park on the Lower East
Side in the East Village, which is great. You yeah, yeah, Max.

(39:47):
I didn't actually take him to play in the but
I was gonna take him to play on this slide
and like moments before it had been empty, and when
I got back there was an unhoused woman taking a
shower like like a foot away from it. Great timing.
Square Park is great, but so so we've been getting out,
but it's just it's just like hard to do too
much for too long. You know, you can only go
out for a little while.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
So should we get jumping this shame?

Speaker 1 (40:13):
We've got notes, right, yeah, we've got some.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
I oddly don't have that many notes. This isn't that
note heavy of an episode. I don't feel there's.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
So much plot that it's like I covered in the
in the in the.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
But there's not. It's all just sort of like it's
it's bogged down in the sort of like interagency drama
that isn't that interesting.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
No, it's not as interesting as like as like Russian
monsters murdering people.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Right, I guess it's fundamentally interesting in the sort of
like it's it's fun to watch. Well I don't maybe
not fun fun might be the wrong word, but it's
it's interesting to watch Stable and Benson fuck up so thoroughly.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
I mean it is fun to see them put in
the clink and and like you know, like yeah, stay.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Get questioned, stablish question like, oh, they fucking violated my
civil rights. Yeah you've done that. How many times you've
done that?

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Like, well, he's probably done it two hundred and fifty times.
I mean, lives down four hundred and seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
I mean he like he throws down Joe Tucci in
his place the second the second time they go to visit,
throws him on the ground and puts a cheris room.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
All right, So starting at the beginning, we've got a
trashed I couldn't tell if that was her office or
conference so conference room. Y, No, it absolutely was a
conference room.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
It was one hundred percent eight. I called it a
Landom conference room. But I went back and like very
carefully watched Red listen to the dialogue, and it was
clearly implied that they were going to her office. So
they just pretended like her office was a comf conference
room was her office?

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Which, yeah, you know this was the writer's room, right,
it had to have been, like this was absolutely the
production office on the rider's room. But but we get
to the writer's room, which is trashed, thrashed, a lot
of a lot of blood, urine and maybe other stuff.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I mean you smell that, yeah, it's like a urine.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Uh. Then we open on the most nudity. I mean
you've seen in ages on s for you maybe ever
I honestly it's Amanda is tied up naked, in a
closet shown almost entirely in profile.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
We don't see like ass crack, but we're definitely.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
We don't see ass crack, but you see the entire
side of her legs.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
We're seen back from nick all the way down to ankle,
like all the way down.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Even like side under boom. It's fucking crazy. She's she's
We see her almost entirely in profile with basically a
box blocking her ass craft. And remember she's got pandy
stuffed in her mouth too.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
You remember, Josh, how horrified we are we were to
see like normal tea natures having a sexual romp last episode,
but we watched and how less shocking seen a woman
completely nude, tied up with various abrasions and panties shoved
in her mouth after having been brutally raped and then
urinated on. How much like this is on.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Her right as she like there is there is there
is like fresh it's fresh abrasions or or like not
quite bruised.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
I mean it looked like a kind of like road
rash that hadn't hadn't like crusted over yet from being
you know, presumably dragged and brutalized on the carpet.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
So yeah, yeah, it's fucking crazy. Then then we get
the straight dope from the doctor she suffered parannal bruising
and tearing from rape and sodom. Then it says ads
that like she had friction burns around her neck, wrists
and angles.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, a lot of details, a lot of.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Well, and you don't need to imagine because you see
most of it.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, it's true, you don't see.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
The paraneal tearing, but it's not hard to imagine.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
What I love most about this scene, right because it
is shocking, right, but the look on Michael Kelly's face
as after they've opened the closet and they find her
naked there and she's like looking up at the first guy,
Walter I think is his name, and then she kind
of looks over at him and you see him like
he has this look that is almost like fuck this boss,

(44:34):
you know. That's like he's like the way he's walking
in there, and then he kind of just sort of
like deflates, like, man, this sucks.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah, I was gonna tell the boss to shove it.
This was going to be that time we all dream
about and no.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Nope, Oh just great, really good, great work. Michael Kelly,
We're we're huge fancy your work over here at munch
by Benson.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Then then to add insult to injury, she's getting cuffed
and hauled off by the FBI, who are going to
make sure that she can't be questioned until she's been
processed by the FBI.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah, and uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
How fun with that rape? But yeah, you're probably not
gonna get a rape get done or good luck with.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
That, yeah, or your evidence is going to be flushed
down the toilet of you know, like but you know
at the same time, right, So, sure, she's not going
to get justice for her rape, but she might actually
be protected from the fucking Russian mobsters who would certainly
kill her regardless of whether she was a willing, willing

(45:44):
uh you know, witness.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
She's the only one that's still live at the end
of this episode exactly presumably maybe she hasn't been who knows. Yeah,
so Greer comes in to tell them that they can't
step on her case. Benson said they're not interested in
her case, which is tragically ironic, because holy shit, are
they not interested in her case?

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Well, they do a really good job of completely fucking
up her case, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Yeah, because they're not interested in it coming to any
sort of conclusion.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, as like, let's say The Wire season two, right,
The Wire season two does a good job of showing
how a local case might, in many instances be more
kind of tragic and important than this big federal case
about terrorism and all these kind of like kind of

(46:35):
like spooky things off in the shadows. In this case,
I think it is inarguable that the murder of over
two hundred and fifty seven people trump Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Two hundred and fifty seven before before the people dead
in the starewell, yeah, and before the.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Half does it at least bodies in the.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Dead bodies in Connecticut? Yeah, So I mean that right there,
that's four more So that's two sixty one plus the
the Metro Correctional facility yard, yeah, or the the parking
lot or whatever with I don't know. It looked like
six bodies were dropped there.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
It looked like it. Yeah, so we're talking like ten,
at least ten bodies that drop in the during the
course of.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
So we're at like two sixty seven or something roughly.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
You think the gambling guy is gonna survive this? I don't.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Oh no, that guy's fucked too.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, so yeah, inarguably that Trump's whatever fucking SPU is doing.
I just regardless of how tragic it, you know, and
how like awful it is, like get out of the
fucking way and let them do well.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
And they keep tripping over their own dicks, and for what,
like the fucking witness isn't the guy, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I I mean, and event when they figure out that
the witness isn't the guy, maybe like stop pressuring the
witness because they they they got him killed.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, so she mentioned Sergey and that's the end of
the fucking questioning. Then we get to Munch and he's like,
the perp gave her a golden shower.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Good news is we got enough urine a test.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Lucky, there'll be some DNA in it.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Perp gave her a golden shower.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
It took place on table, found footprints where he stood over,
making the humiliation complete. They are really and then the
lab tech jumps in in the next scene, it's like, you.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Found traces of seminal fluid, not a drop, but we
did find a few short and curlies that didn't belong
to the victims. Okay, so we got DNA.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
It's just like this episode is laying it on so
thick with casual descriptions of everything inappropriate. I don't know
how they even got it passes. It's like there's so
much insanity early on in this episode that you're just like.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
What multiple laughlines at the expense of a woman who
is brutally raped in multiple orifices.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah, it's fucking crazy, all right. So I do have
to say that when they got to the gym, Jackie
was like, oh, he did it?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
When they got yeah, I mean I could well because
obviously if you recognize him.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
No, I don't even think she recognized him, because I
don't know that she's seen the Sandlot really. I think
she just fucking pegged him as that kid. Yeah he
did it.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
I mean that fucking actory kid. It's like streaks of
child actor.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
I fucking hate the Sandlots so much. All right. So
Peter asked for a soda, which rules him out since
the purpse diabetic. But they still fucking like have to
chase go down this rabbit hole. Then we've got oh Finn,
he seems to be the only one concerned about blowing
a protected witnesses cover. Yeah, and he's the he's literally

(49:47):
the only cop who has done no wrong in this episode.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, he also understands what svu's job is because he
explains it to Michael Carried. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
I mean, Munch doesn't do anything terrible in this episode.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
It doesn't really do anything. I mean, well he does.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
He does chase down some shit, and like he's doing
more here than he does like three seasons later when
he's basically been relegated to the bench.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
But he's kind of showing a Munch thing where he
like pulls up some video or he gets a phone call,
like he's always like he's.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Well, he's doing the sergeant thing. He's doing what Fenn doesn't.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Yeah, it's true, that is true.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
And then Michael Caring says he's no short eyes. Yeah,
I wondered what that meant. They did as well. So
it's what they call pedos in prison. There was a
plane and a film by that name. The film starred
Bruce Davison, who I think we just mentioned like two
episodes ago as it being weird that there was a

(50:44):
Bruce Davison star vehicle. Here's another one. Yeah, so this
is from what seventy seven I think It's also got
Luis Guzman in his first credit.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Interesting, and it's his first credit.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
By like six years. He wasn't in another movie until
nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Damn interesting. I really liked that exchange between Finn and
Michael carrying the we catch rapists and pedophiles and murderers. Well,
whatever it is, I didn't do it. I have no
short eyes. And I never touched a woman I didn't
pay for.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
It's delightful.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Never touched a woman I didn't pay for. At least
he's honest, you know, like he also his candor with well,
I'm clearly not very good at fucking, you know, rip
and runs like I'm not I'm not very good at
per snatching because I keep getting caught. He's that guy's
really good.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, he thought he was.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I thought he was fun of ship.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
He was he I mean, his his introduction, I mean
it's complete, like day six Mac in a drop from
you know, outer space, you know, like yeah, like that
he comes into it and breaks the whole case wide open.
But still, yeah, he was a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Well, and he's I think he's so fun that they
bring him back like he's in what three scenes.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, he's in a lot. He's a lot of screen.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
He's in three scenes because he's on the bench. He's
on the bench when Greg slashed. Peter walks by. He's
in the cell then, and then they go back to
him later when he's at Rikers.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, they go back to him and talk to him
about the phone call to his girlfriend, which.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Does and he's good there.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Again, it doesn't lead them anywhere, but he is good there.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
I think they just they're like, a fuck, we're we
had to toss out two pages because of S and P.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Just like we had two pages about Golden Showers.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Okay, so DNA DNA fucking pegs the kid, but he's
left Witsec and Claudia hepts them to the gambling addiction,
throwing them a bone. Oh. They also they ask, what's
Peter's motive? Yeah, what is Peter's motive? Dipshit? Exactly, like
you're really gonna fucking chase this dog down before before
his kid is the one who gets gets a hit

(52:54):
on the DNA, Like what the fuck? Just think about
it logically for two seconds and he's not your guy.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
And also maybe realize that once you understand that this
guy has turned state's evidence is in a witness protection
for you know, like talking about the you know, notorious murderers.
Maybe you can quiet down, you get a little lower
profile instead of just like to.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
A like hauling him in from like the most public
fucking place ever, Like how many people are in that
goddamn like underground fucking gambling.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
That place was so packed every time they went there,
just unimaginably packed.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
I mean, yeah, it's Italian, so maybe there's not a
ton of fucking crossover, but you've gotta be fucking kidding me.
There there are literally dozens of people.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
There, Yeah, dozens of people. You know that these people
have long arms?

Speaker 3 (53:48):
And can you flashed your badge like you didn't even
you know, you didn't fucking surreptitiously, Like no, you you
fucking barged in and just fucking threw out your badge
and said, I'm gonna shut this fucking shit down.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Like now, I will say that Milano's had a great
and excellent uh what I call it, like bus staff
because they kept that center table completely fully stocked with
with clean glassware, which would be difficult in a room
that pact. I would think having been in the catering
industry before myself. I know how hard it is to

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keep to keep those glasses coming back clean. So good
on them. Good establishment, really, Josh, all my notes now
are about that last the time when they haul in
heard when they when he kind of admits to them
that Gavin probably did do the rapes and tells them

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about Gavin's Gavin's child.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Also he also drops the I mean, I don't really
care about the childhood at all, Like.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
No, I don't care about that, yeah, but I do
care about the the scams that were involved there.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yeah. So he says that he like, after he fell
in with a Mikhaelian organa Zatsia.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Or whatever, which is not then he became as far
as I could figure out.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
But he said that he became Voya of Zaconya. Yeah,
which we talked about back in Russian Brides. We talked
about it at length. So we're not going to do
that again. Yeah, if you want to listen to that,
it's an episode thirty four. It was a Beije turtleneck.
So it made him look like a human peace.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
It did.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
It made that guy look like a dick, it did,
but he was not Russian so they didn't let him
speak or he could not do an accent.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
No, no, he very clearly could not do an accent,
but he looked imposing.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
But the scams that they laid out, I did a
little of investigating how these scams work. So yes, there
was a huge, a massive grain alcohol smuggling scam. As
it turns out that you can get to like odorless
grain alcohol in the United States far cheaper than you
can in Europe. And so they were buying grain alcohol,

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oftentimes with the help of the distilleries, like some of
the biggest distilleries in the United States were helping.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Them really like McCormick.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
And it's not listed in this Times article I'm reading
from two thousand, but still they they would dye them
in the distillery, bring it to Russia, where they would
they could take the dyes out, and then oftentimes they
added water and quote unquote vodka flavoring, which then could
then be sold in Russia and avoid import tariffs and taxes.

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So it got them millions and millions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
So that was a I mean, that's how that's how
most of those like you know, the plastic bottle handles
A lot of those are just grain alcohol that are
colored in flavor. Yeah, exactly like Gordon's Gordon's mccormicks.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
All that shit is just yeah, And apparently it's a
lot cheaper here than it is overseas. Now, another one
of the scams they mentioned was a gas tax scam,
and that's another one that totally exists. And the way
they do that is they use real gas stations, but
the companies that own the gas stations are fake companies

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and they are have fake like tax documents, and so
basically they sell the gas at the price that it
should cost and then never pay the tax. They pocket
the tax, and by the time the Feds realize it,
that company no longer exists and it has been it
has been the gas station shouldn't have been sold. Apparently this happened.

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They mafia was able to siphon off as much as
a billion dollars a year in gas taxes in the
New York region alone. This was around the year in
nineteen eighty nine. But they did this all over in Florida,
in California. But clearly they did like a like a
kind of a pretty deep dive into mafia related scams.

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And the last one where they mentioned was they said
medicaid fraud, but classically Medicare fraud is a real thing,
and I read about a great case this is probably
this is well after this episode aired, but there've been
other different Medicare fraud schemes, but this one was an
Armenian mobster scheme in which they stole the identities of

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doctors and also stole the identity of Medicare eligible patients
and basically just set up fake doctors' visits. So the
classic Medicare scheme is you have doctors that are on
the take, that are billing for that are basically submitting
bills for patients that never showed up. But in this case,

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the doctors didn't know about it, so there was no
but you know, there's no like soft willed doctor to squeal,
and the patients didn't know about it either, So you
have real patients and real doctors, but neither one of
them know that they're being used for this scheme. And
apparently they managed to get thirty five collect thirty five
million dollars over at least four years and had built
Medicare for more than one hundred million dollars. So so

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you know this is that's the Armenian money train if
I've ever heard of one.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Oh, I mean I've gotten boned by Armenian taxis. Yeah,
I got I rear ended a guy doing fifteen miles
an hour and they claimed that they had twenty five
thousand dollars in medical expenses and the guy got out
totally fine, Like no, there was virtually no damage to
the car. And then I like my insurance went through

(59:27):
the fucking roof for like three years because because like
they had a they clearly had a doctor on the
table who faked a bunch of medical books.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yeah, said that you broke his neck or some shit
like that.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
I mean didn't break his neck, but it was neck shit.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah, unbelievable. Now, the last thing they kind of mentioned
that I looked up with Sammy the Bull Gravano because
they talked about how he had been in witness protection.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
When went up the River for what fifteen years on
the drug charge.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Yeah, exactly, And of course that's all true. So Sammy
the Bull Gravano was was an under also the Gambino
crime family, and he is considered to have played kind
of the leading role in essentially kind of ending organized
crime as it used to exist in the New York area,
so it still obviously does exist. But John Gotti, who

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was the family crime boss, was taken down after Gravano
turned evidence against him and a bunch of the other
kind of heads of the various families, And so he
was a witness protection program from so nineteen ninety one
I think is when he actually, yeah, nineteen ninety one
he goes into to witness protection and then in two

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thousand and two he was sentenced to twenty years in
prison for jug charges. So yeah, just because you're in
witness protection doesn't mean you're not a fucking asshole. And
I'm sure he is. And that's really all I've got, Josh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Okay, I've got a few more.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
So Dan tells them when the meet with Gavin is
supposed to have up, and but when he rolls up,
Pops is dead and Stable and Benson are under arrest
because they're fucking idiots.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
You're fucking idiots, man, This is this scene, just esus.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
This episode, this episode should have been called Bulls in
a China Shop.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
I mean, did they not? Okay, So they see two
federal marshals like pull their guns out and respond to
a situation. Why did they think that they needed to
like run at the scene when the marshals.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Gone, gun's drawn? Just what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
So then.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Like, okay, she even they go and they're like indignant
towards her, and they're you know, still fucking only worried
about their case, only worried about Gavin Sipes. And she's
even gone so far as to transfer the little shepherd
over to the precinct, like their head should fucking roll.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Yes, they've this is they've been up, man, they fucked
up at.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
So Stabler then goes and roughs up Tucci, who says
that Gavin slash Nikolay paid up and full the day before.
There's only one place that four hundred k came from. Okay,
So I've got a couple of logistical issues here. How
the fuck is this kid able to figure out what
his victims did specifically?

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
But that's a good point because they were in La.
Well they were in La. But then his.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Mother was killed at least seven years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Okay, Josh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Also, okay, so this woman let me figure out where
her office was because the address of the gym, well
the gym, we don't see the address of the gym,
but the gym was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
I think the gym is meant to be close it was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
She said it was two blocks away from there from
their office. So seven to fifty five Fifth Avenue. Take
me five seconds to look this up. Uh, this is okay.
So this is midtown basically same block as Trump Tower
on Fifth Avenue, right by Central Park. Uh, you know,
right by sort of the lower part of Central Park.

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So we are going to see how long it takes
to get from Brighton Beach to this gym.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
A long fucking time, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Yes, Uh, Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, New York, because that's where
the other two people lived. Now, on public transit, it
takes one hour and one minute at eleven fifty eight
on a Friday. Let's see how long it takes by
car at that time. It takes forty minutes again at
eleven fifty eight to get there. So I have a

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hard fucking time believing that people are going from Brighton
Beach to a gym by Central Park. Josh sure.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
I also have a hard time fucking believing that WITSEC
would put this guy have a gym in midtown Manhattan,
like they would have him be a gym owner in
midtown and work an orange apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
In a city that is like like has won when one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Of the three cities that this Russian organization has a
fucking foothold. Yeah, it also like, why would you do that?
Someone would make him like he got made in jail.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
They're half a million Russians or something in New York exactly,
there's and the organization is here. Insanity.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
It's just baffling like that. That does not make any um,
there's a lot of there's a lot of nonsense in
this episode that like that that doesn't really doesn't really
pass the smell test.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
It's like, yeah, if you wanted to protect him, maybe
ship a Connecticut in the first place, come on, man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yeah, or Idaho put him in the goddamn panhandle of Ida.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Put him in you know, the del Marva Peninsula. Nobody
goes there anyways.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Just baffling. Okay, So then we've got the kids spoke
to Sergey on the Sergey on the phone, so he
got got uh, Serge drafted a whole lot of bodies
in the Metro Correctional Center parking lot. And then Steebler
offers to help if she needs anything, And my only
fucking statement here is why the would she need anything

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from them? Apparently she does ten episodes later, but it's
there's no reason, there's no actual reason why she would
actually need their help if they have done nothing but
fuck up her seven seven plus years of case work
down the fucking drain because of these jack ofs.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
This is like her whole fucking career of this case
and gone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Yeah, just because some because two dickheads got it in
their head they that they're three rape charge they're three
their serial rape case, three rapes was more important than
the three of like, yeah, nearly three hundred bodies. Fucking baffling. Anyway,

(01:05:46):
I think we're ready to get down to brass tacks
and fucking rate this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
All right, guys, So yeah, as Joshua's alluding to, it's
time to rank this thing. We ranked these episodes. We
have four criteria which we judge on. We have a
ten point scale, and we're trying to fit all of
these episodes into a kind of a rank so we
can see how they match up. Now, this one's interesting
because this one is like, you know, another one of

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those mega plot episodes, kind of not unlike the massive
three parter where Craigan wakes up in a bed next
to a dead sex worker. That's that's the one that
it kind of immediately comes to my mind thinking about
this one because so.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Much they're smashing into one episode.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Oh my god. Yeah. But so as far as overall quality,
it's kind of different judging this one because there's just
so much plot. But yeah, I did kind of like it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's a compelling hour
or forty three minutes of television.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Yeah, it definitely moves, and by the end of it,
you're like kind of you know, at the seat, you know,
edge of your seat.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
And it does sort of it does. This is something
a little different from what the show usually does, which is,
oh no, there's like everybody's dead. I guess the purp
is dead there, their purp is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
But they've also like so thoroughly fucked a case that had, like,
you know, a chance to clear a chance to clear
two hundred and sixty plus murders.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
And take a guy responsible for all kinds of fraudulent
activity off the street.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Yeah, not just fraudulent activity, but yeah, bodies drop.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
But just all really nilly all kinds of shit. I mean,
this guy is like the primo bad dude. He's been
involved in all kinds of shit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Yeah, like total piece of shit. So it is interesting
in total. Yeah, I don't think it's like an all
timer or anything. It's probably like a six or Sevendy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Yeah, I think it's a I think it's a six
because it's I don't know, maybe it could go either
way with that one because it did really enjoy it,
So maybe it's a seven. It was fun, it's not
it's not like a it's certainly not a nine or ten,
but right, but it was good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
I'm fine with a seven now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
The guests I think are also good, Like Pam Career
is a lot of fun. John hurt Is is a
really good actor.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I think John Hurd doesn't get to do much.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
That's what I was going to say, Like, I think
that he was slightly underutilized, like given the kind.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
Of there's too much Gavin.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
There's a lot of Gavin all any Gavin is too much.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
He's I mean, it's not like he's awful here, but
he's not good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
I don't know, I don't I don't love that scene
in Interrogation where he's doing the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
No, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah, when he's the Glasgow man Rats style crazy eyes thing,
I did not really care for that. But but but
yeah her.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
I think a lot of the Bit players were actually
really good. Yeah, but like Michael Caring was that Michael, uh,
what's his name?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Bolus Bolus? Yeah, Bulus was really good. Michael Kelly was
really good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
What's his face? The weirdo Keith Keith Redden, the lab Tech.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Yeah, the lab Tech was great. I mean the the
gambling store club owner, I mean that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
Just yeah, yeah, Joe Marto fu Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Tons of fun. And yeah, you're right about her, because
you know, I wonder if it's a direction thing or
or just kind of I just.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Think that it's how the characters written. There's not much there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
There's not that much there, and there really could have been,
because this character is not like that dissimilar in a
lot of ways from the from the the Sopranos character, right,
Like he has this kind of internal contradiction of of
being a scumback but also doing good and kind of
having there's there's like a contradiction in his character that

(01:09:45):
could have been really interesting, and I think they missed it.
But I don't know that it's Herd's fault that they
missed it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
No, it's not Herd's fault, but it does. It does
sort of like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
It blunts what could have been like a really good
stunt cast having him.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Sure, so it's I'm inclined to say, like a six.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Yeah, I think six is fair. I think six is fair.
And the same thing with Pam Greer, Like, I mean,
Pam grew is great in like a has a great
screen presence, but she doesn't get but.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
She should be biting their fucking heads exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
She doesn't get to kick their asses the way that
they deserve to have their asses kicked.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yes, they absolutely deserve it, and she's like taking the
high road the whole fucking time. And at the end
of the episode she should be telling them to fuck
right off, that you'll never need their help again, and
instead she's sort of like left sort of like Okay,
it's like why I don't it's not her fault, that's
not her fault, but like the way that's written as

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fucking batshit exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Now. The next two boxes, though, are ones that really
get ticked by this episode.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
This episode is fucking problematic Josh.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Yeah, I mean the just casual disregard for the victim
that we open on and see almost fully. I mean,
she's wearing a patch. She's wearing a patch. That's it.
That's it, though, Yeah, I mean, what the fuck? And

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I'm sure she's got pasties.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Onto, but but whatever, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
Fucking nuts uh. And then it just it's treated so
fucking flippantly, the fact that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
There are multiple full on laughlines at her expense.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
I mean, how many times do we have to hear
about the golden shower or the purpse shortened curly is
found on her person. It's it's not like this is
Peak's or it's not like it's all time. But it's
very probably, very very very problematic.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
The way that Pam Greer is like staring over a
double homicide and just kind of like walks away and
decides to head down the block, like like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Not just that, but Benson, Benson bends down and lifts
up the sheet that's over one of the fucking bodies
in the stairs. It's like, this isn't even your case, dickhead,
Like you can't you're technically fucking with someone else's crime scene.
There's so much bad police work going on here, which
is obviously like one of the one of the areas
of problematic.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
But.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
In this one, it's at least in it's at least
entertaining here. The bad police work here is like, you know,
they're not being lionized for it. Uh, they're doing bad
police work and fuck up, fuck up a case with
two one hundred and sixty plus bodies on it. It's

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it's fucking insane outstanding.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
So how problematic was it then?

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Because it's not hooked, but it's probably like an it's
like I would guess, like an eight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah, I was gonna say an eight also because it's
like it because it kind of takes a downturn in
the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Right if they kept going where they were in the
first fucking six minutes of this episode, yeah, it could have,
but we'd be singing a different song. Yeah, this would
be like all timer now, you know, like it's all
all the really fun problematic shit, the where you're just like,
I can't believe they're doing this, all of the stuff
that like S and P should be shutting down and
somehow miraculously isn't. For our sake, that's all in the first.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Six Yeah, exactly. It's it's over quick, and it's like
I kind of when I was going back and doing
my recap, I was like, wait, there's still twenty minutes left.
At this point, it was all plot. I was going
back to see if we'd ever given a nine, and
we did for the Michael Pitt episode Prodigy, which we
covered and he let ed t bag him right, and

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that one was definitely a tick above this one. So yeah,
I like eight eight works now. The last one depth
and breadth of lives ruined. I don't see how we
can't give this a ten? Right? Am I crazy? And
thinking that it's a kind of obvious ten, Josh, because we.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
Have I mean, they've fucked up the other case so much.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
We have a minimum two hundred Well, we have something
on the order of two hundred and sixty six bodies.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
But two hundred and fifty seven of them are off
screen still, or two hundred and fifty seven of we've
got ten bodies that are dropped in this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Yes, Defence had the chance to close the case on
this guy. In fact, they were they were willing to
assist with the arrest of this guy because it was
like they had wrapped it up word and SVU fucks
it up. Also, they fucked up the three rapes that
they could have gotten justice for. Now that guy's dead.

(01:14:40):
But still, yeah, you know, it's not like they ever
brought him the trial. They didn't go through what they no.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
But I think they can at least consider the case closed.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
That's true. Also for whatever the fuck that's worth. Yeah, exactly,
for whatever the fuck's that that's worth. I mean, just
like so much work flushed down the toilets, so so
much work, and like.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
The and I mean, just think about the taxpayer dollars
that was that they wasted. Here we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
We're talking hundreds and hundreds of millions.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Of millions, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah No, I
thought you're saying hundreds of thousands, just like, oh no, millions, easy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Investigations all over the country, overseas, most likely for a
decade into you know, and this is the kind of
thing that like it's this is not like problematic kind
of investigations going on. This guy was a bad fucking
guy and needs to go away, and anybody would be

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happy that he went away. You know, there's not the
there's not the lovable charm of well, you know, however,
you know Mario Puzzo novels make the Italian mafia. Look,
you know, it's not that this is a bad fucking dude. Yeah,
and they fucked it up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
This is some Eastern promises.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Yeah, exactly. We get to see Aragon's waning in this ship.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
A lot.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Yeah, I mean, I I so we could I feel
I feel shitty giving it a ten, but it's a ten.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
I mean, we could give it a nine. If you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
I can't argue away around it being a ten. There's
just too much fucking fault.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
There is so much blood, I mean, just the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Like, I think there's more fallout here than in any
other episode.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
I'm trying, like as far as the number of bodies, yeah,
I mean, and next to the one with the you know,
the Congo.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
And Long Island and Long Island serial Killer is a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Yeah, but yeah, and it's it's similar to that one
in that all of those bodies, primarily almost all of
the bodies had dropped before. This has more.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
This has more bodies dropped than yeah, sure did. In
the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
We were not able to count how many bodies were
laid out in that prison yard. A lot.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Yeah, I think as much as it pains me, I
think it's got to be a ten there. Yeah, I
mean so, like, I don't think this is an all
timer episode, but this goddamn scoring is gonna sort of
do what.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
I'm willing to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
How I feel, how I feel that Hooked did where
Hooked just ticked the boxes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
And like hard it's.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Crazy, it's crazy, but it's not so like I just
happened to rewatch it the other day Hooked, yeah, because
it was on USA like a week ago, and it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
It's fine, Yeah, but it really takes the boxes for us.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
It really takes all of the crazy boxes. That's it's
it's probably the most extreme case of our rating system
working in the case of an episode that's like good,
really good, but not not all time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Did we what did we give the Yeah? We sure did.
We gave it a nine. I mean, I think we
might have been giving a Hooked a little a little
too much for quality, just because we were cackling so
much by the end, because they've caused a full on
across the five parros.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
But but.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I mean, so this one gets a seven seven five overall, which.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Which is very high, which is very high.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
It's not in the top tier, but it's definitely getting close.
I mean it's it's it's pretty creally.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
I think if you look at the ones over seven
point five, there aren't many.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
It's only to a ranking so above seven, yeah, I
mean it's it's actually it becomes it's the one, two, three, four,
five becomes the sixth highest one that we've rated, so
just below Prodigy and then below the the you know,
the classics being Ridicule. That's the page Turco dian Neil,

(01:18:39):
not as Novak, below Rodium. Yeah, but as Novak the Hooked,
which we talked about in Slaves, which is still one
of the most maybe the most memorable SVU episode for me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
That's wait, this is above web that sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Yeah, this is above.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Webs a better episode than then we.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Can Okay, So what I was going to offer, and
I know we don't love doing this.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
But drop either guest star as well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
I was going to drop quality to a six, which
we discussed doing anyways.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's a six.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
And that puts it at the same level as not one,
but two Connor Poalo episodes. So both Juvenile and web
Web are seven point fives.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Connor Pell gives us a goal.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
He sure does. And I think there's probably multiple Patricia
Charboneau episodes that are seven fives as well, least one
that I'm looking at. Uh yeah, yeah, street Wise. So,
I mean it was good, it was fun, it was good.
It's definitely like like when you see Pam Career and
John Hurd, you stop what you're doing and you're like,
holy shit, these people are famous, right, and it's definitely different.

(01:19:47):
I don't know, well, maybe we'll come back to it,
Maybe we'll get some more of these like plot heavy
crazed you know, like.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Yeah, where they somehow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
A minute episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Give their dick stuck in some big case.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Yeah that is it isn't theirs and they have no
business being in And you think cab It or Craign
or somebody higher up the chain of command would be like,
you guys need to stop what you're fucking doing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
This stump stepping on your own dicks, and there's yeah,
uh oh Jesus okay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Yes, yeah, So we are going over to episode dot lol,
which was created by a friend of the pod flat
and you know, you can do this shit on your own.
Pick an episode of whatever fucking show you want to
watch at random and throw it on. So going over
to episode dot lol, clicking on the thing, the tape

(01:20:46):
is spinning exact looks like we've got an episode from
season twenty one, episode five of said season, which is
at midnight in Manhattan. The overview of the episode is
the detectives are spread thin when three major cases come

(01:21:08):
in at midnight.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
They have nobody in the unit. Of course they're spread thin.
I'm sorry, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Rollins and Cares argue over and arrest. So this is
the sort of first of Careese and Rollin's butting heads
because she's kind of pissed about him leaving. And this
is where that sort of plays out a little bit
because he is now eighty a and this is you know,
his fifth episode is an eighty eight. So I remember

(01:21:39):
this one. I'm not going to say too much about it.
I won't. I won't spoil things for anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
I'm looking down the cast list and I you know,
a bunch of randoms. It's a bunch of people I
don't recognize. Of course, season twenty one, that's not surprising.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
That's what happens. Yeah, yeah, when it's not a stunt
cast episode. But uh yeah, we'll fucking do this one
next week. Yeah, fucking watch.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
It and it'll be interesting. I uh, it will be
a thing. Oh idea what to expect.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
I'm not gonna spoil anything. I yeah. Anyway, So everybody
should go out and rate and review the podcast wherever
that action can be taken. So go to Apple Podcasts,
go to Podchaser, fucking cut and paste in both of them,
like review it fucking everywhere. That helps a lot, it does,

(01:22:31):
It really helps a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
So yeah, all right, guys. Until then, you know, keep
on munching.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Yeah, munch the fuck out of our Benson's munch. Munch
the fuck out of everyone's minute.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Everybody needs a little munch in their life, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Yeah, munch, munch, everyone's mint.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
Are you holding up?

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Deny my civil liberties treated like some scale suspective conspiracy
to commit murder? But yeah, I think I've hit bottom.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
ID was here digging for dirt, like I spoke too soon.

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