72 - I Went to College, I Have a Skill (S19E24 Remember Me Too) - Munch My Benson: A Law & Order: SVU Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ah, that's mighty posas than one arc butterflies, millions of them.
They fly from America to the Mexican mountains every fall,
and if you look up to the sky, it's like
looking at beautiful orange and black angels hovering over your head,
arguing about hutu bless. Then in the summers they're gone

(00:21):
back to America and silly, I know, but I used
to imagine a little girl in Boston or New York
looking at my butterflies and smiling. I tried to picture
them when Miel was raping me.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
What did you see?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Nothing? It was the cold, dark sky, the moon, It
was full. It was like a perfectly round circle cut
out of a sheet of blackness. What was on the
other side of that sheet?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Who's going to change my bag?

Speaker 4 (01:25):
In New York City, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
These are their stories.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Last week on Munch by Benson, we watched a full
forty five minute long cold open for today's episode, which featured,
among other things, a lack of knowledge of how phones work,
a lack of knowledge of how laws work, and a
lack of knowledge of how O pair's work. Longtime nanny
lordas Vega takes Miguel Lopez hostage, is convinced that he

(02:01):
raped her repeatedly and murdered her two friends during her
trip to the United States back in five years ago.
SPU finds out about the kidnapping an improbable fashion, and
Lieutenant Benson gets herself kidnapped by the enraged Lordis. Using
her magical powers of empathy, Benson manages to diffuse the
situation and take both Lordis and Lopez into custody. But

(02:23):
why is Miguel being treated like a criminal when it's
not remotely clear that he was the person lord has
claimed had attacked her find out on today's thrilling conclusion. So, yeah, guys,
just wanted to fill you in. This is a second
part of a two parter. Of course. My name is Adam.
I am up here in New York City. I'm joining

(02:44):
in a law by Josh. So how's it going, Josh?

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I feel like it'll be going a lot better once
I've got this episode behind me.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So the spoiler. Guys, we finished talking
about last week's episode about three and a half minutes ago. Oh, so,
so it's fresh to us still.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Have you been watching anything anything good? That we can
talk about since.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
You know, I've been watching a little bit of Party
Down season two, which which season two really depresses me
profoundly because I think season one you kind of have
this hope that the things are gonna work out for
hero Henry, and then in season two you're like, ah,
fuck man, no it does.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
It does end with just that little nugget of hope.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah. I'm not there yet, but at this point, like
I think, I just saw the Orgy episode, which is
like one of the funniest things ever put on television.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I love that episode so much. It's so good.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
It's so good.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Like fucking Mega Malali in that episode just keeps keeps
trying to get with fucking Tom Lennon's character. Okay, it's brilliant.
I mean, I love I fucking love that show. I've
seen every episode like probably twelve.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Times, and when what's his name, I'm totally by those names.
But the pretty boy guy Ryan Hansen, Ryan Hansen gets
gets shot down by the girl. Yeah, just in the.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Best so great.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I'm sorry, I really don't want to shoot the ship
about careers right now because I'm standing fucking naked, Holy
kindom loop.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
It's such a god damn it, it's such a good episode.
Uh fuck, there's so I can't tell you how much
I love that show.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
It's a great show. Of course, Josh and I both
worked in catering and catering adjacent businesses. Yeah, probably for
a lot longer than either of us planned on working them,
so uh so, so we definitely empathize with the characters.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I was at the Vulture, the Vulture party down thing,
the panel from oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so that
that's sort of the thing that got them talking about
a reunion in the first place. So fingers crossed that's
still happening post COVID. But yeah, pretty pretty Jones for
that or pretty uh jet.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Jazz.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I'm really jacked off. I'm really jacked off about that, which.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Is so everything that used to be okay is getting worse,
including this episode of Law and Order SVU that we
had to watch, which was Remember Me, to the finale
of Remember Me and the finale of season nineteen. Indeed,

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and I guess unless you got some other bands.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
This is sir Nuchin putting his stamp on season nineteen.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
He sure is, so, Josh, can I just rip off
the band aid and fuck it, get this fucker over with. Okay,
I'm gonna take a sip of my beer. What you
drink in, Josh before we dive in?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Uh Well, last episode I had a hazy Ipa from
Brewing Projects that was pretty good, and now I'm drinking
a fucking lone Star. Both of these are full pints
because fuck this episode.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah, so I'm drinking a Bengali from six Point Brewing.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
It's nice. That's a good one.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, it's a real good one. It's there. It's their
i PA I believe.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, their i pas one would help given the name.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
It's they're like standard i PA because they have like
several different i pas. But yeah, I'm enjoying that one.
Megan does not care. They have a slim can, so
it's a for those of you unfamiliar with slim cans.
I'm sure you've seen a nickelob ultra before. It is
in a nickelob Ultra sized can, which to me, it

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doesn't matter, but my wife does not care for that.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
It matters if your fridge is if the shelves are
very specifically set for a certain can level.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I can see that.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, it really does.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
No, No, no, I can definitely see that, And like,
I used to have a crusher that I love, that
can crusher. But you stick you try to stick a
tall boy in that can crusher, and you're like dealing with,
you know, a world of pain basically, and you're probably
getting beer spilled on you, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
You might die.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Eventually, you might get like Bochel cut and get some
bochulism in there or something like that. All right, this episode,
let's talk about this episode. Lieutenant Olivia Benson believes women always,
and despite a complete and utter lack of probable cause,
she's decided that Miguel Lopez, the pretty boy from last

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week's hour long cold open, was a dangerous, bloodthirsty coyote.
So he's being taken into custody and since, again without
any evidence, he must be part of a large and
ruthless criminal enterprise. That means that little shit baby boy
Do's life is probably in danger.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Now.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
If you're having trouble figuring out how or why we
got to this point watching the previous hour of SVU,
which we covered last week, well be of any help whatsoever,
not at all.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Baffling.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Who's going to change my bag.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
At the hospital I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Fuck.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
At the hospital, Miguel is sticking to his story that
he's a web designer from Portland and a victim of
a mistaken identity when his lawyer shows up and tells
him to stop talking. At the precinct interview room, you
know Ada Stone means business since his shirt is buttoned
up and his tie is on. He and Rolins are
interviewing lord Is about the group she fears were hunter

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her down if she's deported. She tells them that she
ran into Miguel by accident and that she could never
walk away from what he'd done to her. Thankfully for
lord Is the family she works for. The Buckleys are
on their way back from Connecticut with a fancy defense
lawyer in tow Cariesy's research on Lopez seems to corroborate
his story, much to live chagrin, and Live receives word

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that the owner of the apartment, or Hedius, died from
his head wounds at the hospital, which means that Lordis
will be tried and almost certainly convicted of at least manslaughter,
unless Benson can pull some magical shit out of her ass.
Lordis attorney Sentino Rojas requests that she be placed in
protective custody, but of course Stone can't readily agree to

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that since there is no active investigation involving the vast
shadowy cartel network which supposedly threatens her life. As such,
Stone is not especially pleased with Lieutenant Benson, who is
still convinced that everything Lordis has said is true. Apparently,
someone offscreen threatened to skin Lordis alive, which prompts Stone

(09:47):
to quirk, I mean, I'm sorry, but like.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
The fuck do we never see that? What the fuck?

Speaker 4 (09:53):
I'm sorry sorry, which prompts Stone to request protective custody
for Lords. Jon also informs us that he's dropping the
charges against Lopez. What charges we haven't got the foggiest
idea Rollins helps Lordus move into a hotel in Jersey,
and Finning Caresi go talk to her employers, the Buckleys.
They were very fond of Lords, but never heard anything

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about her past life in Mexico or the trauma of
her journey to the United States. A photo of Lords
with two other nannies leads Caresi and Benson to Maria,
who'd been trafficked along with Lordes. Though she's reluctant to help.
Maria clearly recognizes the photo of Miguel Lopez. We know
this solely because of the music fill in the background.

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Maria then states that even though she knows Lords and
Estella and Lucita, she's never seen Lopez in her life.
Does this latest turn of events dissuade Benson not even close.
Stone obviously refuses to drop the extremely serious charges against
Lords and is informed that she will be pursuing an
insanity defense, which, and I'll admit I was typing while

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I watched this part upset Benson for reasons that I
don't quite understand. Next, Lordis is crying about butterflies or
some shit whilst talking to one of the longest running
characters in Lawn in the Law and Order.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yep, sorry, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Next, Lordis is crying about butterflies or some shit whilst
talking to one of the longest running characters in the
Law and Order universe, doctor Elizabeth. All of it, all
of it tells the court that Lordis was suffering from PTSD.
Attorney Rojas then cross examines mckl and attempts to use
mchel's lifelong FIBs about his immigration status as proof that

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he's a liar and thus probably a rapist too. Later,
at a bar, living Stone have an incons sorry, just
remembering all this shit and now it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
No, it sure doesn't.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Later at a bar, living Stone have an incomprehensible conversation
about justice for rape victims before Lives storms off to
care for Noah. Then I'm sorry, it's.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Just nonsense, like every scene just happens with no regard
for what happened before it.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Then a dapper baldman introduces himself to Stone as Jorge Dias,
his brother Diego, and starts making veiled threats against Stone's family.
He wants Lord is supported so that quote our justice
system in Mexico will take over Lives. Total bullshit eventually
forces Stone to treat her as a hostile witness at trial,
but because he doesn't want to get pulled from the

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case by Boss McCoy, Stone enlists SVU to help protect
him from the cartel bad boys who are coming after
him and his family. Not having a well thought out
plot for this episode, Lords is put back on the
stand to cry some more before Stone and Live argues
some more about the nature of objective reality. When Stone
receives a phone call from Finn that is sister has

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been kidnapped by a professional cartel extraction squad. Back in Jersey,
Rollins is getting fed up with Lordis's bullshit, and after
a few heated words, probably oversteps her authority and convinces
her to agree to a plea agreement to which Rojas
has no input. Back at the station, Benson and Stone
threaten Mgil that they'll tell the cartel just how helpful

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he's been to them, which would certainly mean a painful
death is in the cards for him. Finally, and despite
never having charged him with any crime that we know of,
Miguel is set free, but his fear of retribution gets
him talking. He says that his inability to find a
good computer programming job after college at Gonzaga led immediately

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to driving a rape truck across an international porter. His
mood gets mega real quick as he opens up about
his crimes, but he does give them the address of
a warehouse he used to deliver women to where Stone's
sister is likely being held. For you arrive, Swatt is
already preparing to bust down the door, and while several
girls are free, sister Stone is taken hostage by a

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cornered Diego Diaz. When she sees her brother, she just
starts running towards him, and predictably, Diego shoots her about
twenty five times in the back with his automatic weapon
and is in turned gunned down himself. After about fifteen
hundred shots are fired and several explosions take place as well.
Lordis is going into federal witness protection program. At this point,

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Miguel's assistance wraps up a massive decentralized criminal organization instantaneously
off screen, and Stone is forced to reckon with emotions
that were not programmed into his original positronic matrix circuitry,
and we are left with a I've said it before,
but holy shit, how did SVU survive? Michael Chernouchin, Wow,

(14:56):
Dick Wolf God? Oh well, I feel like my reading
of that recap was unprofessional, But so.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Was this episode.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Jesus Christ. Again. If we discussed at the end of
last week episode, they spent millions of dollars producing this episode, and.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
This had many more locations tons like all of the
money that was saved in the locations from the first
episode were put towards this one. So this one actually
cost more.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
There were lots of locations. They were traveling all over
the place. There were buildings they don't normally go to.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
This one even had a bigger guest star that they
had to pay.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
They had multiple bigger guest stars.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah. So speaking of which.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah, I guess, I guess that's the logical starting point
for our discussion.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
So this this installment of SVU featured Benito Martinez defense
attorney Santino Ross. He was born in Albuquerque and went
to Hollywood High School Performing Arts Center with Anthony Anderson,
who at some point will pop up in the show.
Yeah yeah. And then after graduating high school, he studied

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at the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art, which
I would never have guessed, but you know, that's real place,
big deal. You may have seen him in the Film's Outbreak,
Saw Million Dollar Baby, Beyond the Lights, American Maid and Queen,
and Slim. He was as Adam Shirley wants me to say,

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main cast in The Shield, where he played David os Vedo.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Let's say that he is probably if you've ever seen
a previously on segment of any show, he's got.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
The least desirable previously on clip that they would ever play.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
And definitely the a the most memorable and be the
most replayed, Like we saw that flip maybe one hundred times.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
The course of the Shield sure feels.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Like it previously on the Shield.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
You went off the grid today. We told you that
there was a one time thing. Okay, got it, let's
see them fucking.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Yeah. He was David Oscevedo. Who was who was the
lieutenant was? He started as a captain captain, He started
as a captain. Eventually he's running for mayor and is
one of the you know, the inner circle main characters
of The Shield.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yep, and early on he is very centrally Vic Mackey's.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Foil, yes exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
He's also the sheriff in Thirteen Reasons Why, and he's
been in all three seasons of American Crime, which is
an anthology, so he's played different characters in each one,
but at least two of the seasons he's main cast in.
He also had recurring roles in Sons of Anarchy, Supernatural,
House of Cards, The Blacklist, How to Get Away with Murder,
and Nine to one one Lone Star Past Him. We've

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got Roberto or sorry, Roberto Sons Sanchez, who's playing Diego Diaz,
had a fairly big part in Too Fast, Too Furious,
which he booked I believe he was working as a
He basically booked it, I believe because he cussed out
John Singleton while John Singleton was being an asshole somewhere.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
I have to say that that might be my least
favorite film of the series. Oh yeah, it's easily got
the best name.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
But yeah, yeah, no, it's the worst. I've seen all
of them. Yeah, I cherish the other eight nine, the
other nine movies of the franchise.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
Are there ten of them now?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Well? Nine?

Speaker 4 (18:41):
And then Hobson Shaw Okay, yeah, absolutely, all right.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
And then Roberto Sanchez was also in two episodes of
Lawn Order LA, which I believe makes him the second
person we've talked about who's been in the Lawn Order LA.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
He also had recurring parts in should I and The
Family Business.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
I'm still hoping that as Rick will have a guest
appearance in SVU, but not holding my breath.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Can't remember. I feel like he does, or maybe it's
just that Marishka is in LA episode of LA, because
I know there's I know there's a scene I remember
a scene with Skeet and SVU cast.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
So, now, speaking of the cast of other Law and
Orders series, Carolyn McCormick is probably the next person we
should talk about who absolutely fans of the original series
will remember going way back.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, she's in eighty seven episodes of the original series. Yeah,
as doctor Elizabeth Olivet, who she is playing again here, Yeah,
she's she's reprising the role that she played there in
one episode of Criminal Intent, one episode of Trial by Jury,
and one episode of New York Undercover.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
See. I would pose it that her Olivet, that Olivet
character is the sort of genesis, the seed that eventually
grew into SVU, right, because she was the first psychiatrists
that they had on in the show, and they started
probing kind of different storylines once they started using her character,

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like she's she's you know, I think the Chris Noath
character is having to deal with the death of George
Dezunda and and so they're like probing these kind of
psychological depth that that didn't happen when it was a
very like by the numbers, but but kind of high
level intelligent, uh you know, procedural, And I think that

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it wasn't direct line, but I think that eventually grew
into making a series that is more about the psychology
than the than the reality, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, and I guess maybe depending on who you asked,
maybe not flowered but fantastasized. Yeah, but uh in the
best possible way.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
I've always liked her character. I've always thought she was
a pretty good actress, and.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Now she was. She was born in Midland, Texas, and
went to high school in Houston. She graduated with honors
from Williams College. She's won a Drama Desk Award and
done a ton of stage work, much of which happened
with her husband, actor Byron Jennings. Her first role was
in Enemy Mine, which, if you've not seen, absolutely should

(21:28):
that movies? Really something? Oh it's a fucking weird one. Uh.
Then she was also main cast in season two of
Spencer for Hire, and she was main cast in Cracker,
which was later titled Cracker Mind Over Murder featuring Robert

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PASTERRELLI So yeah. And then last actor I've got is
Brian Keene. This is his fourth character in six episodes
of SVU. He's He actually played a different doctor in Consent,
which means both his character and Alan Buckley are played

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by actors who played different characters in the same episode
that we cover back in Munch of My Ben's in
episode eleven, this might be the rapist bar in New
York City. Nice, That's all I've got.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
I don't think there is anybody else.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Sorry, Brian Keene is playing the doctor at Pamela's institution.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, I don't think there's anybody else really, of note
that that was only in this episode, so right, and.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I'm not gonna fucking talk about anyone we already.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Now, we already talked about all those people who cares.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
So I didn't even care.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Then, no, no, oh Josh, all right notes, Well, okay,
so first off, I don't remember. I'm just gonna go
with the kind of the addresses. First. We'll talk about
a couple of location notes and then we'll jump into
the whole thing. So a few places are thrown around.

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For one, when lord Is does her teary, her weepy
rant about butterflies, she does mention a real place in
the mountains outside of Mexico City called Tenansingo, where that's
actually I think Maria might mention that, but that's where.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
I believe it's Maria.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah, but yeah, the monarch butterflies do migrate there and
it's a lovely event that is threatened by various human
caused problems.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
But wait, humans are a fucking shit up apparently with nature.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
That's what they tell me. Now. When we talked about
the Buckleys and they were going to Connecticut, in my mind,
the trip they were going on was a long trip, right.
It seemed like they were packing up the family and
leaving for the whole weekend. It's going to take them
a while to get back, and they get a phone
call that they're on their way back. It's a fucking

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half hour to get from Greenwich to New York. It's not.
It's a suburb. People commute from there. It's an hour
by train. It's not.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, I mean you'd take the train if you lived
in Greenwich. You wouldn't drive. I think that these unless
you had a driver. If you had a driver, maybe, So.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
This is a segue into I think the Buckleys can
afford to park their car in New York City because
we see what their address is. Their addresses one zero
seven zero Fifth Avenue, New York, New York. Now, Josh
this just so happens to be a rather famous address.
In fact, it's a building that probably doesn't have any

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residents living in it, because that is the Solomon R.
Guggenheim Museum, which is a probably the most single distinctive building. Actually, no,
we had the flat Iron Building used as somebody's personal
address was but yeah, but I could see you, like
living in an office.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
That was a governor though, yeah, it was a former
governor of New York lived in the Flatiron Building.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
I don't think any he lives in the Google nyme
but but.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Maybe they live in the basement. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
But yeah, Megan Goods to walk by going to work.
It's a it's uh, it definitely stands out. It's there's
nothing else around it that is like that building.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Nope, yeah, not at all.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
So yeah, those are our addresses for this week. So
I guess let's get into the other bullshit.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, so Live thinks no one needs to be under
protective order immediately without cause. Uh, the amount of taxpayer
dollars that is spent on this kid, fucking kid is
so insulting. We've got to be talking in the millions
at this point, millions of dollars spent of of your money, Adam,
of your money, and Sean's money, and Christina's money, and

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John's money and Maya's money.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
They don't those people don't pay tax Yeah, they're not
gonna pay taxes. Yeah. It's uh, it's it's it's just shocking.
They've already they've gone to New Hampshire for this fucking kid.
They've had massive police manhunts for this fucking kid. They've
I'm forgetting the ones in the other seasons, just because

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the the the image of Brookshield's you know, like rictus
as she's like pretending to smile at Noah's is searing
into my brain when I think about that child. At
least we didn't have to hear him speak in the
second half of this episode of this two parter, so
that that was a kind of benefit to us.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
So the phone app untraceable video feed is like kind
of the only damning thing they've got on Miguel, especially
once the like once it's just like, oh, they were
painting my apartment, That's why I was at this other apartment.
Once that's established, which doesn't get established until this episode,
it's really like the only damning thing they've gotten.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
It's a pretty thin thread other.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Than her her id, which seems very under duress, very
conceivably that she has, you know, just made some random
like from the first episode. There there's no groundwork Lane
to make us actually believe other than lives just instincts.
There's no no credible thing.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
An interesting plot could have been a mistaken identity situation
right where we have two people that are victims and
we're dealing with the fact that both of them are
actually victims.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
But no, yeah, that would have been interesting live just.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
For some reason, she goes from not believing lord Is
or trying to diffuse lord AS's situation, to be like, know,
that guy's the fucking devil and he needs to burn
and I'm going to break every law I can.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
To make it happen. Nothing he does in the room
to make her think that, never, Like, it's fucking baffling. Okay,
So then the lawyer shows up super fast for Miguel,
and that's the first moment where it's like, Okay, something's
probably up here, and maybe it's just like the hanky
shit he was into with a deep web web feed,

(27:57):
you know, Like, but but someone's bring his ass here.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yeah, so exactly until the I mean again, we're kind
of giving this episode maybe too much credit, but when
the lawyer shows up, it's the first time I'm like, oh, well,
I know that because liv said that he's the bad guy,
we have to believe that he's a bad guy. But
now I actually might you know my deckree too.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, So then Fintel's live that he's taking her home
and there's nothing she can do about it. So of
course she gets a phone call and ignores what clearly
needs to happen. She needs to get some fucking sleep
because she has fucking nuts in this episode. This is
also Finn's second episode as sergeant. I mean, he was

(28:38):
made sergeant in twenty two, and then there was that
whole episode is sort of like hanging in the air
whether or not he's leaving the unit because technically a sergeant,
you're supposed to leave the unit. But yeah, you're basically
like filled up, and so he doesn't need to go anywhere. Yeah,
but she really should have listened to him because her
fucking police work, because this is the episode that it's

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really like, oh no, this is Live actually doing police work,
and it's abysmal from front to back.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, it's bad. It's not good. She should not be
on the street, like they should take her bad cut.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Oh absolutely, Like the first time through watching this, like
Cariese is also like, are you sure, like, are you
really sure that this couldn't just be a mistaken identity,
and she seems to like not really be willing to
even entertain it, entertain that notion. It's like, it sure
seems at this point that there's a strong fucking possibility
that Miguel's not the guy.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
No, she and she actually she has this conversation because
they're talking about Maria, right, because I think when they're
having this conversation and he's like, well, it seems like
it's probably a mistaken identication, and she says, well, more
likely Maria is terrified of these cartels like lords is.
It's like, so the most likely explanation is that a
vast international gang of criminals is is going to murder

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her if she doesn't say anything. Yeah, that's that's that's
Okham's razor for as sure season nineteen.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, and like okay, so we obviously like we know
Miguel's the guy now.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Well at this point, as soon as like they take him.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well, like you and I you, and now that we've
like recapped the entire episode, we know he's the guy.
But the only way that he can be is because
the character of Miguil makes no sense. It's nothing that
Live has done here, nothing that she's like discerned from anything, like, Well,
he's very convincing.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
But also it's not like so and we're going back
to what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
He's only convincing because he doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
But it's not like he's picking up Lordis to try
to like re traumatize her like he's some sort of
like like like mastermind sadist.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
He trust me. Got a lot of questions about that
coming in the notes.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yeah, I mean he just kind of flips back and
forth for being like the guy he says he is.
That's the guy who went to Gozaga and lived in
Portland doing web design for whatever six years and being
a Yes, I raped and murdered those women. But because
what was his name, Diaz was his first name, Jorge?

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That because Jorge has just called me on the phone,
So I changed from being a normal guy to being
a sadistic murderer.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Sure, yeah, as one does all right, So then Jorge
Diaz dies and alertics fucked.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Of course, we never really like hear an update on
his condition. We're not like thinking that he might die.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
The only update we see on his I was pretty
I was assuming that he was going to die. I
mean she brained him with that trophy.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah, she did, and then she just throws him in
like a closet and he's just laying there.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Believe well, no, he had. She has Lived both Montero
and him into the bathroom and closed the door. That's
right now. Stone says, do you have any evidence or
something to the effect of, do you have any evidence
hes the trafficker, and Live says not yet, but I will.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
And it's like, I'm not sure that's how probable cause works.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
No, no, and we know that she does no fucking
police work in this episode, and the body dropped here, like,
having been raped doesn't mean you have carte blanche, and
Jackie was really pissed about this. Having been raped doesn't
mean you have carte blanche to straight up bludging someone
to death, you know, like it's god damn it just no.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
But in the in the moral universe of the show,
it does right, Like in live's brain. It at the
bar killed that guy. Yeah, it's at the bar show.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
She's fine, she's fine with it. No, you got to
get your fucking justice or whatever the fuck she says.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Yeah, moral like she said to me about moral justice. Yeah, unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
So the going back to the buckleys, because they go
back to the Buckleys and uh, she never bothered to
ask LORDI is anything about her life in five years
working for them five fucking years.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
And they feel bad about it though at this point
they feel bad about it because she's not gonna be
working for them anymore. But that's some white guilt there, Yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Is deserved, deserved white guilt. Again.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
I interact with the nanny community quite a bit, you know,
being a dad pushing around the stroller at times or
walking with a cute little kid. Lords is not there's
you know, there's all kinds of nannies, but they don't
look like her.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Well, I would pause it there that there probably are
times where nannies look like her, but that's for a
different reason, and it's you know, the husband got to
choose with untoward games. Now Maria won't spell, and that's

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kind of the first time where it seems like Miguel
might not have been a case of mistaken identity, like
you know, between that and the lawyer showing up real fast,
it is like, okay, now it really feels like you
probably did it. But again, they haven't done any police
work to prove this, to lay the groundwork.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
But Maria doesn't tell them anything. She just kind of
there's maybe a glimmer, Yeah, that's it. Yeah, which is
only if you didn't have that fill, that orchestral fill,
you would not have noticed.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Sure, Now, if this is the cartel's hustle, it seems
like a weird hustle. Trafficking nannies, that's the other hand,
And or hidden camera brought hidden camera ship broadcast on
the dark net with bad camera angles with girls that
are picked up at clubs, like like if it's snuff

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films or something like that, it might make sense, but
even that seems like a leap for that neighborhood, like
those that have to be really thick walls. Then the
trafficking nanny's bit, like where's the fucking money if you're
just finding people on Craigslist to set these nannies up with?

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Well, okay, so yeah, first off, you're the snuff so
you're film angle, right, what's the margin on a snuff film?
It doesn't seem like it's that great, right, It doesn't
seem like it's the sort of thing that's sustaining a
massive international organization.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Right maybe like no, no, a few.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Scumbags in a basement somewhere or doing this like for them,
it's like, sure, human trafficking is a big thing, but it's.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Not for nannies for sex work, yes.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
For sex work, for for fucking agricultural like slave labor in.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Florida, for labor for slave yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely, not
for picking fucking tomatoes or oranges in Florida. Not for
fucking nannies on the Upper West Side or whatever.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Nanni's is like an above board operation. And also that
you have to think about, like what what do coyotes do? Right?
They they they shepherd people through the lawless kind of
interior of northern Mexico. If they've done a little bit
of research, you realize that most of the people that
engage these services are not Mexicans because they can actually
get through Mexico. They have papers, Like what is the

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coyote doing for a Mexican throwing them over the river.
You can wait across it. In places I've done it.
I've swum halfway across.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
The fucking sure, I've got stopped by border patrol in
the middle of the Rio gram yeah bend.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
And it's like it's not a big I mean.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
So thankfully I was white.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Yeah, but but it's like it's like one of those
like just like to a little bit of research, like
they they exist, and they oftentimes terrible people, but they
exist as a service for people that need them, not
for people that have like legitimate paperwork to get you know,
halfway there.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
And then surely not for fucking nanny nanny because there's
no fucking there's no there's no goddamn angle for them
to get a real amount of money from. This doesn't
make sense.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
You get like, what's the kickpack on a nanny job? Like,
is there some like nanny? There's like a nanny uh
she lives with them?

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Clearly, like this isn't a situation, Like this isn't a
situation where she's coming back to a fucking place and
having to give a bunch of her paychecks. Well, like
it's not like the East Side if she were having
to give them money, then he would fuck recognize her.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
It's not like the East Side slave market either. This
hick is not a slave to these people. She has
like a mobal job.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
They let her go out and get her fuck on
at the club.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yes, they encourage it. They told her that she was hot.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, they're like, oh, yeah, go get some girl. It
just it's fucking bad.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Appears to hire nannies right there. Their parents with money.
Parents with money don't want to be like dealing with
Mexican drug cartel members, right. They don't want to call
the fucking Sineloa gang and be like, hey, can you
give me a hot young nanny by Wednesday?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
That's not three bricks a heroin.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Right, That's not how this works. Now, if she had
been like kept as their sex slave, if it was
fucking Andrew McCarthy from slaves as makes total sense.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
But this angle, what the fuck like? There's just there's
never any fucking thought in the construction of this two
part episode as to what makes even a lick of
fucking sense.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
This is the season finale, the whole.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Season finale, The entire season has been building to this point. Yeah,
and these two fucking hours of television makes zero fucking sense.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
And it makes less sense the further.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
The more they get into it. Yeah, the more they
get into it, the less it the less it tracks.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
And as the plont picks up, right, because in the
first there's almost no plot that happens. The first one, right,
there's like one thing happened, two things happen, Yeah, and the.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Second basically it's basically the moting episode all over again.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
There's all kinds of plot in this.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
You know.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
We have we have an extraction game going upstate to
grab stones pam Stone, and they leave bodies.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Oh, they drop a lot of bodies. They're They're like,
fucking I swear I counted at least four dead people.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Why did they draw bodies?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
No idea? And the Doctor's like, oh, they're so professional,
Like they were professional, they wouldn't have dropped any goddamn bodies.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
He said that they were polite and professional and they
took their phones. If they did those things, why didn't
they just disarmed the guards? Why did they need to
murder them? They were fucking reddiceps.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Who needs Yeah yeah, Redicus. I hate redicups too.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Yeah. The doctor didn't even give a shit about the
dead bodies that he was steady right next to.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
He's seen it before.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
I guess, I guess what was she in for. I
guess I missed that part of Stone's backstory.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Oh no, she's just institutionalized.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Okay, randomly, there's.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
An episode earlier in the season. It doesn't matter. We'll
get there. We'll get there eventually. Nothing. Don't don't expect
season nineteen to make sense. I think that's a lesson here,
all right. Uh so, if Miguel is the guy, he
is like the smooth hawknes motherfucker. Ever, like the one
one sketchy bit about him from the first episode very

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reasonably explained with the apartment having being it was painted,
which then then they get him on the stand and
fucking Rojas. Rojas says basically that because he's a dreamer
and lied about work, that he's a rapist. That's the insinuation.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
But he's not actually a dreamer, right, They kind of
like now talked about it. But but then they go
back and the lords is pissed off at him for
being a dream No, he is technically a dream Oh
he is, okay, Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Because he was brought over by his parents when he
was two. Okay, but okay, So my question here is,
if they've got a Latino lawyer accusing a Dreamer of
fundamentally being a liar and a law breaker, it can't
be racist.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Right, well, I think I think that's probably that's probably
the discussion they have said. Huh, it'd be racist if
any of the lawyers we normally have call Odah fucking man.
We know what he'll do on screen.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
He'll do anything, and we can play it over and
over and over and over and over and over and over.
So liv keeps insisting that Miguel's the guy. But if
he is, then maybe she should be doing the fucking
police work to prove it. We haven't seen them dig

(41:34):
into his past at all, and she's basically.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Not really off screen. But that's about it, I think.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
But this is just this is just her taking Loritis's
word for everything and then resting on our laurels thinking
everyone should just get in line and trust her instincts.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
I think that's how the justice system works.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, at least in Tarnuchin's world, because Chernucin is absolutely
allergic to showing live do the actual police work to
make a case. This is.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
She's a lieutenant at this point, she doesn't have to
do any police work to make a case, let the.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Other one, but no one else is doing it either,
Like and then then we get the god damn scene
to the bar that, as you said, made zero sense ever,
and She's like, I've heard the lecture before, and Stone's like,
maybe then you should listen, and yeah, she should, and
then she maybe you should listen. What the fuck? Like

(42:32):
this is so frustrating and that it's even more frustrating
because we've seen her be able to build a case
for the better part of eighteen years. Then Sure Nuchin
comes in and it seems she's lost her ability to
think clearly about anything.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
I mean, she's like rambling around screaming at people. That's
that's what being a.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Cop is now, drunkenly clearly, I.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Mean she that's what it seemed like. And like the
way she's she's knocking back that Vina Rojo it seemed.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
And like the way she was holding the glass.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Like, yeah, to be fair, if I were an actor
on that set, I would have needed to have had
a couple of rounds before I read those lines.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
So sure understandable. Then from from outer space we get
the dumb Diaz brother telling Stone to essentially hand over Las.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Yeah, and then he murder his family if she doesn't ye.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Like a goddamn UFO just swoops in and like completely
takes over the show because to this point we have nothing,
nothing really aside from the lawyer showing up early and
the nice pad that still doesn't make any sense, but whatever.
We This is like the first time the the fucking
cartel comes in and then oh no, we're instantly turn

(43:44):
it up to a fucking eleven.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
You know, it's not clear which case he's trying to
get them to drop.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
So no, he says his brother Jorgees.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Yeah, no, but Jorges dead.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
I know. But he says he's in town for Horayes funeral.
The only case that the only case that's going he wants.
He wants Lortis, he wants.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
The case she gets deported, which yeah, sure, I mean,
it's it's a strange I mean, if if they're the
fucking cartel, can't they just kill her when she's in prison?
I mean, isn't that isn't that what they do?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I think he wants to personally kill her. But yeah,
and like this cartel dipshit really misplays his hand, Like
Stone turns around and deals with Live you know, like
basically treats her, you know, like she's a hoshye witness,
because she is. And the stupid thing here is that
they've stopped doing police work entirely.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
I feel bad for Stone. I feel bad for you
because he's like the only one who's sort of remotely
doing his job properly.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I like, I think Kresi and
Finn are to a certain extent, but they're following they're
following their boss's lead, and she's she has zero interest
in doing anythin.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Rowlins is giving like unsolicited legal advice to somebody who
has a lawyer sitting in the room, which sure it
doesn't make sense, Nope, and he's just like, sure, whatever,
do it. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Like, I mean, instead of doing actual instead of us
seeing them do actual police work, they just go back
to the tape that they've already you know, they shot
this footage, so they don't need to do anything here.
They're going back to the tape from the room and
getting circumstantial shit him saying he burned her with cigars
and the like. They're not doing the work to create

(45:27):
the like connection. It's fucking insane. And while they're not
doing police work, stone sister gets kidnapped.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah, and she dies as a result of it.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
M Now, I do love how bat shit Miguel's rationale
for saying he's a good guy is. And then he
follows that up immediately by saying that that that he
was able to rape them because he was able to
rape them all because he was their god for one
thousand miles. And You're like, how does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (46:01):
How does this make He went to college, Josh, he
has a skill.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
How does as you said? As you said he went
to a basketball plumb a factory. But and then Benson's like, hey,
I've been doing shitty police work all episode. Let me
talk to him. It was like, oh god, damn it.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
I love that they opened the door, and like them
opening the door for him to leave is like, no,
Now I'm going to confess to all of these crimes
and multiple jurisdictions. Yeah, I'm going to confess to murdering
people and multiple rapes.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
You know what doesn't exist in this episode reasonable character motivation?

Speaker 4 (46:39):
No, not for any of them.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
It's Stone maybe Stone, Yeah, sure, but again maybe even then,
I think if we thought about it more, that probably
doesn't make any sense either, because and if it did,
it's entirely by accident.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
I'm trying to think of any of these signed characters
and if what they're doing makes sense, I mean.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
All of that is no no, because Pam, no.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yeah, no, Pam. It's like, Pam, It's like all you
got to do, Pam is just stand there, don't run.
Don't run when you see stone and which.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
And it's like, okay, diego, Just fucking guns are down,
and it's.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Like, what do you think is gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
He's the dumbest cartel guy out, but what do you
think is gonna happen? He really think he's going to
get out of that? It's all right, So then they
give us. I even have questions about the cards because
then out of nowhere, like for the first time in
half an hour, they give us, they give us a

(47:37):
card and it's Office of Lieutenant Bens. It's like, wait,
so do you really think that none of the audience
and it doesn't feel like there's like a discernibly long
amount of time that they're having to advance a story here.
So do you really think that anyone watching this episode
doesn't know that's Benson's office?

Speaker 4 (47:54):
And also, yeah, it's like, is anybody really paying attention
to the passage of time and this psychedelic nonsense plot
of an episode.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Sure, sure, and let's just say that, let's say for
the sake of argument, that they were four seconds short,
uh and just needed just needed that time, just needed
the need of the time that a card gave them.
They couldn't have done a different one.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
I mean, they we've seen them do a musical outro
with Ludicrous, you know, like like staring into the horizon.
They could have easily done that with Stone like Neelie.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
A season lose use all that money, you know. And
then like the fucking federal trafficking case that Lord is
supposedly going to testify in is a complete afterthought to
the episode Miguel gave him everybody, But that's like the
quickest most cast acide case of like gigantic proportions in

(48:46):
the fucking history of this series.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Well, and we're talking about an organization that if they're
a big time Mexican cartel, they have their fingers going
from you know, from South America to Europe to North
America to Asia. They have fingers and all kinds of
different pots. The reason the Mexican cartels have been such
such a central part of the drug trade is because

(49:09):
that the distribution networks are really important and how this
this fucking operation works, and the distribution network allows them
to easily transitioned into other industries. So if cocaine is
no longer big, then you can switch to nannies at
a moment's notice and still be making.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, and this is this is obviously the Mexican nanny
cartel that we're dealing with here.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
But still that we're led to believe that they can
strike anywhere at any time, and they can get anybody's
family members, and like it's like a snap of a finger.
We're talking about a day or two and the entire
operation across the continent is rolled up and no longer exists.
Because that's that's how you know, if you read a

(49:53):
story of El Chapo Guzman, like that's how easy it
was to roll up the Sinaloa cartel, which doesn't ext
even though he's in prison at all, in any form
or fashion to my knowledge.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, I've just got a couple of questions here?

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Sure? Please?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
First, is anything earned in trnuchin'ss for you?

Speaker 4 (50:16):
Yeah? I mean, I just don't understand how I feel
bad for everybody involved in the production, right, you know who?

Speaker 2 (50:24):
I feel worse for Julie Martin. Yeah, but she was
a writer on the show before him. Yeah, you know,
she she was. I mean, she's essentially like the you know,
she's she's Warren Light's right hand at this point, and
like today, you know, and why the fuck weren't the
rains just handed over to her?

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
And I mean there's an obvious answer to that question.
Trarnucin's a you know, a fucking less talented male.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
Well, and it's Dick wolf Burrow most likely.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
But Julie Martin's been in the like I think she
started in season thirteen. I might be wrong, but she's
been on this She's been on the series for a
long fucking time. And it just doesn't make any goddamn
sense why she wouldn't have just been handed the reins.
Maybe she didn't want him, I guess, as being a
showrunner would fucking suck.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
But I mean, maybe there's no way.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
She doesn't understand the characters better than chu Urchin who
clearly doesn't understand the battle, I mean, and doesn't understand
how to fucking tell a story at this point, because
nothing he does make sense. We've watched this is what
the at least the third Chruchin penned episode that we've watched,
and none of them have made only three. I mean,
we watched the one Gone gonefishing.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Well and the other two parter from season ninety.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
But I don't know that he actually wrote any of those.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Okay, well, it feels like he wrote the dialogue that
involved Brookshields because it had the same psychedelic quality. Yeah,
it's it's just madness. It's madness that that you could
go to NBC with these episodes and be like, yeah,
this is the show. This is like one of your
premiere primetime shows. This is one that you're paying the

(52:06):
star actress a half a million dollars an episode. This
is the one that's getting us Emmy nominations. Shocking, well,
not in season nineteen, but it's.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Been a long time since that was happening. I think
the last time she was nominated was like season thirteen
or so.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
But still, it's a prestige, you know, product of NBC.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
It's at least it's at least a fucking you know,
an institution at the network. You know, it just god
damn it. Yeah, so bad.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
It's something, man, it is really something. So should we
rank this one and call it a night? Josh? We're
about an hour in, so of course we ranked these episodes,
and we have four criteria upon which we judge. We
are trying to fit all of these episodes into a

(52:57):
greater canon of SVUS, and last week's first part of
this episode did not score very well on our scale.
It got a one point five, and so I'm interested
to see how this one's going to rank up because
I think paradoxically we don't have that much room at
the low end of the scale and.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
For this great outworks.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Yeah, but it might, it might.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
I think it will.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
So obviously quality is a one. I don't even think
there's any discussion there. This is probably the worst forty
three minutes of television that I've.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Ever watched, way up there.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
I mean, I watched that Cassidy episode.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
That was season nineteen also, Yeah, that was wow.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
So there's been some rough ones.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
A lot of stinkers in season nineteen. Yeah, yeah, and
we haven't even gotten to Barba's exit.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Yet, because that's that season nineteen offensive. Yes, wow, well
so the guests now we have obviously all of it,
isn't it? And she's fine in a very brief role.
I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I think we can go one here.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
You think we can go one here. You don't want
to give Benito Martinez a two.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I don't. I don't think he's doing the work.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
No, he's like I don't.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I mean, it's not like he's bad or anything, but
there's not he's not doing Like the first one relied
a lot more on the guest stars, this one doesn't.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
This one really doesn't. I mean what this one does.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
This one's living Stone, butting has and it's like, that's
not interesting at all. And Stone's right, the entire fucking
time is like, but whatever, that's that's not.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
What Genesis Rodriguez. All she does. All she does is
like she cries on the stand and just makes us
relive the horror of the first half of this. So, yeah,
I'm fine with A one. Yeah, it was not good.
Was it problematic?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
There's not even fun problematic in this one.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
I don't think there is is there? There's not even
anything that's fun.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
And so now we don't get we don't get, we
don't get foot massages via Dick in this episode.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
We don't know. So that leaves the last category, which
is the depth and breadth of life's ruined to get
this above the bottom and this one like bodies.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Drop, Pamela drops. This is where I think this probably
has to be like a four because there are a
lot of innocent people who die in this episode.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
But bet Josh, these are innocent people that don't even
exist to their coworkers. So does it really matter?

Speaker 2 (55:29):
No, No, but Pamela does. Oh yeah, there's an there's
an episode that's built around Pamela. I know that, I
know that this matters, and that's unfortunately the one thing
that brings us up to.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
And at this point I own his main cast, right,
So yes, so yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
So I think it has to be a four. They're
still not going to bring it up.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
They did not really sell the of a family member. Yeah,
it's one point seventy five, So that puts it, as
I think, as yes, tied for third worst with some
other fun ones. We had gone fishing from Suason nineteen
and what did you know? Gone, Baby Gone? Also from

(56:15):
season nineteen, so of course, so those were covered in respectively.
I think we can assume Cassidy is so dumb that
he tries to golf at a disc golf course and
the cold mom off gets hot and yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Mean Season nineteen is clearly awful.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
I guess, but this one lacked in the joyous fin
trip to Cuba, it definitely makes up for in the
psychedelic rants of Olivia Benson at a bar. It's not good, man,
it's not good. Also, that one had Peter Jacobson in
a fun turn. We gave him a three for guess okay, yeah,
so okay, okay, okay, okay. So it is what it is,

(56:56):
and I am.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Hand it is terrible.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
I am happy we're kind of like banking some of
these season nineteen eisodes because I mean we've got like
in Chasing Demons is just above that. Chasing Demons got
a two. That was the one with that was Winters
Is Coming, which is.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Great.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Obviously Dean Winter's focused episode that was not good it
in any way, shape or form. So yeah, shouldn't we
just roll it and get to the next one? Please?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yes, let's uh cleanse our palettes.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Of God help us that it is not a Chernuchin one.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
If there is. If there were one, we all know
that's not. There is no, or well not we all. Sorry.
I shouldn't speak for you listeners, but Adam and I
sure as fuck know there isn't one. Anyway. So going
over to episode dot lol, which was built specifically for

(57:55):
this podcast by a friend of the.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
Pod Flat, Thanks Flit. I love it. I use it
when I watch other random shows when I have access
to the entire catalog. So not diagnosed as hard, but
lots of other ones. Colombo, yeah, Colombo, sure, Rockford. It's
a great way to watch Rockford. It's an excellent way
to watch Law and Order CI, which I occasionally like

(58:19):
to watch.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Really, I just put Peacock on and let it ride
at night, usually because it doesn't stop and I need
something to be playing all nights. When I wake up,
I'll go insane anyway, So episode dot lol, thank you, Flat.
I am clicking the pick a random episode button.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Please don't be seasoned nineteen, Please don't be seasoned nineteen.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah, Bill and Ted are hurdling through space into a new,
hopefully better episode, and we have got ourselves. Episode thirteen,
from season five called Hate. After a man accused of

(59:03):
the murders of three Arabs claims that he was genetically
and biologically predisposed to hatred and violence. Benson and Stabler
dispel the fallacy of his defense when they uncover the
real impetus to the slayings. Looking down the line of

(59:23):
the guest stars, I'm really only seeing Barry Bostwick as
a recognizable one. Oh and Linda Amond from Watch forty nine,
which Watch forty nine is fucking awesome. Yeah anyway, uh yeah,

(59:46):
so season five where at least back in that sweet
spot of you know, the the Neil Barriers, where even
if it's a bad episode, it's at least gonna have
some fucked up shit in it.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Yeah, it'll be fun. Barry Bostwick, man, what a look.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
I'm guessing he's a defense attorney in this, but sure
seems like he would be. Or maybe he's the former
mayor of New York who knows. So as always follow
us on all the socials. We've also got a subreddit.
Everything we're on is as munch My Benson. We do

(01:00:22):
not have a TikTok, we do not have a Snapchat,
but we don't really need and all the other bullshit. Yeah,
there's what what purpose would it? I mean, maybe I'll
sign up for a TikTok just so it's blocked out,
But I can't fathom putting any fucking content on there
because I don't know what we would do.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
If I had the bandwidth to like edit little clips
of the funniest things from these episodes, I could see
a point in doing a TikTok.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Like the bandwidth in your life in.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
My life, yeah, but I don't. I barely have time
to have that. I barely had time to watch this
fucking episode.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
True, and trust me, getting Adham to record these isn't
always the easiest. So uh and then yeah, let's uh oh,
make sure to head out to your podcast apps and
rate and review the podcasts you have no idea specifically
on Apple podcasts. It really really helps, so fucking do that.

(01:01:16):
You know, we had to suffer through. We've watched these.
We generally watched these episodes twice, so we have to
if it's a bad one. We really had to suffer
for our watch. I fell asleep right before Rollin's on
my second watch, I fell asleep right before Rollins. Uh.
Started like talking her into like testifying against the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Trying to remember what the plot was going on? Is
uh fools hearin Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Yeah, no, no point anyway. So yeah, rate and review
the podcast. Please do that. You can also go over
to good Pods and rate individual episodes, I believe, so
if you're on good Pods, do that too, and then
Podchaser you can great individual episodes on the podcast. Make
sure to rate the podcast. Yeah, the fucking e and

(01:02:07):
uh yeah, you know, nobody our Benson.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
If you're a true fan, listen to us and rate
us on Apple or whatever else. But then go listen
to us on Spotify, so we get your demographic data
because Spotify shares that with us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Yeah, so we want to know how many fans and
Mauritius are listening to us.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Yeah, and we don't have ads on anything, so I
don't think if you listen to us on Spotify, Yeah, because.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
We we've made an informed choice to not monetize this
in any way, at at.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Least so far, at least for the time, so you
don't have anything to worry about. Yeah, you know, we're
toying with things, I think, but yeah, we haven't figured
out a way that we could make this and keep
it legal. Yeah, make bake money off.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
This and keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah and that there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
So yeah. On that note, guys, I think it's time
to start munching.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Yeah, you know what, munch everyone, Spence, Please bunch your friends, Benson,
lunch that guy in.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
The subway who's massaging women's feet with his erect penis.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Munchless subway penile massagers, Benson, Bunch everyone, Spence.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
But only on the sea, not on the air, the
ear or any of the other.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
No, no delightful lines. Only on the sea. Only munch
that Benson on the sea. All right, all right, that's Luis. Fuck.

(01:04:58):
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