81 - Nina's Grinding so Hard on Carisi's Joint Here (S16E15 Undercover Mother) - Munch My Benson: A Law & Order: SVU Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Who's in charge?

Speaker 2 (00:01):
I need to talk to Please, we're losing time.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
You got something, got'a be good.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm undercover, bro, I've been tracking this ring for a year.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
They have my daughter In New York City. Sexually based

(00:49):
offenses are considered especially heinous. These are their stories.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Hey guys, welcome too much, my Benson. My name is Adam.
I am here in a lovely evening in New York City.
I am joined on the line by Josh. How are things, Josh?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Things are? Things are okay? Just found out friend of
the pod Shan is going to be in town or
is in town? Actually nice, so probably see him over
the next couple days. Luckily I'm ahead on my editing duties,
so I'm almost done with the first pass and we've
got what four days before it needs to be done.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
So look at this guy. Look at the get up
and go in as on Dougan. M hmm, that's nice.
Max and I took the train down to Union Square.
You never know what you're gonna find there.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Needles.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
We met Megan, No, no needles. Max became friends with
some buskers playing jazz right outside the train, jazz busking.
They were jazz bus.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Games seems like a hustle that you might not make
as much money from.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
These guys were rolling in. These guys were fucking good man.
They're at a trumpet, a gembay and some kind of
like shaker kind of thing they were. They were pretty
far out looking. They all had dreadlocks and like Daishiki's on.
They were good the no, no, not that kind of
guy with readmis.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Not an appropriator.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, we went down and had some full awful it
was great. And then we had some beers that what
is I guess our bar because we always go to
the same fucking bar in the East village and it's
cheap and great. What it'll continue to be my bar.
It's called the twelfth Street Ale house. Man. It was
like nine dollars for two beers and two like decent beers.
That's not normal here to pay that little, so it'll

(02:34):
continue to be my bar.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Beer.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Let's see. We had some kind of local ish I
p a and then I had a narrow ganset lagger,
which is my kind of lone star equivalent or old
style or what have you near. Yeah, exactly Olympia. If
if you're one of those.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
People want to I mean I'll have Olympia, but only
if they're out of ver near.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
If you're in a very specific part of the Pacific Northwest,
still have Olympia. Yeah, so you've been watching anything, Josh.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah. Yeah, I watched all six episodes of that Coyote
show with the not Vic Mackie, Vic Mackie. It's okay,
but it has what's as fuck Octavio Octavio Pisano, who
is a new cast member on Well, it's probably actually
happening right now because we're recording while the episode is airing. Oh,
but yeah, I believe he's the he joins the cast

(03:27):
like a semi permanent place. Then, yeah, on a semi
prima basis today.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I'm caught up with the SVUS and organized crimes that
are not presently airing, so I've been watching those. I'm
kind of liking the Stabler Undercover so nice. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
I was fully convinced you were going to say Octavio
Dotel just then, but it shows you where my brain is.
I'm in.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, a different baseball brain, but twenty fifteen baseball brain.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Absolutely. I guess I've watched now like four maybe five
episodes of Mayor of Eastown. It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Cool, it's a cop show, but but more depressing.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
It is very depressing and very real. And they really
really really went to accent school. Yeah, and all of
them have very I think they all had the same
accent coach, which might have been a problem. Like the
kids don't speak with the kind of overdone Southeast Pennsylvania accent,
but the adults all sure do well.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I assume it generationally is probably going away right to
a certain degree.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I can't tell you that, but I do know that
not everybody eats water as bad as as a free
character on the show does. Yeah, but it's good. I'm
enjoying it. It's it's pretty bleak, but pretty good.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I hadn't watched season three of Mister in Between yet,
so I watched that the other night. Really fucking good.
Such a good fucking show. Nice, that's FX show. That
was like a Australian co production right on, but like
one of those sort of half hour drama shows. So okay,
really good. I mean it had occasional lighter comedic moments,

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but it's not really comedy. But what's as fuck out?
Damon Harriman's in it? Okay, as a like supporting character,
but he was Dewey Crow for all of you justified watchers.
I'm wearing a shirt that I got off of Red
Bubble that is taken from Perpetual Grace Limited, and Damon
Harriman was in that as well. Perpetual Grace Limited is
Stephen Conrad's other show.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
So nice. Well, Josh, I feel like we should just
jump in. I don't know if we're going to talk
for a long time or not about this one, honestly. Yeah,
but I think we're going to talk a long time
about a couple of the actors that are in it,
so we might as well just get there as quickly
as possible.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Before we do that. Though, What are you drinking, Buddy?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
I am drinking a cup of jasmine green tea, but
I'm also drinking a five Burrows Summer ale, probably the
last twelve pack of this I'll get this year. But
it's a pretty good one. Cool, it's nice, cool, kind
of an orange peel thing going on.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
It's nice.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Nice. How about yourself, Bud, I've got a Duchess de Bergonia.
I'm sorry, Dutchess Supergonia. It's a Flemish red ale.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, it's a sour.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
It's fantastic. It's maybe my favorite beer.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Really nice.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yep. So we'd had a seven hundred and fifty milli
liter bottle sitting in the fridge for a while, cracked
into that tonight.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Do they have a sour rating the way they have
you know, ibs it?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I don't know. And this one of the sour is
very the sour aspect is very palatable and mellow.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
See I like that. I like it when it's like
a it's just like a sour, kind of like twist
on the beer. H I don't necessarily care for it
when I'm like drinking hard kombucha. You know, sometimes it
can be no.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
This one Anna introduced me to. It's fantastic. To the episode. Yeah,
this week we are watching, or we have watched rather Yeah,
Season sixteen, episode fifteen, under Cover Mother. I got I'm
gonna be saying that so much again. I mean, we

(07:02):
just dropped that episode, like what two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I just can't imagine how they sat down and they
were like, this is the title, undercover Mother.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
But when you watch the episode, you know it couldn't
have been anything else.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I Mean, there's multiple undercover mothers in this episode, it's understandable.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Oh yeah, uh okay. So shit gets crucial right off
the bat as we join the unit in the heat
of an undercover op, Benson and Rollins occupy the surveillance van,
Finn and to Morrow stand by in another vehicle down
the way, and Careesy dons the eyeglasses cam checking out
the asses of comely sex workers for a titillated audience

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while waiting for the new batch of underage sex workers
about to be delivered to an exclusive party. When the
van rolls up, the female handler is the very familiar
Selena Cruz, who they busted half a season earlier and
coaxed into flipping in exchange for freeing and returning her
son to her. Her familiarity means they need to snatch
them up on the street to control the situation upstairs

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to preserve Caresi's cover. They snatch up the girls on
the street, and then Finn and Morro lead a team
up the stairs to shut down this high end catouse.
A very recognizable madam is working the floor of said catouse,
and when they bring everyone into the precinct, she exercises
her white privilege and asks to speak to the manager.
You see, she's under cover for herself. She's been working

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this organization for over a year, trying to find her daughter,
who was kidnapped three years earlier while they were on
vacation in Toronto. But TPD thought Martha and her pot
dealer boyf had something to do with Ariel's disappearance. With
everyone skeptical of her story, undercover mother Martha is just like,
let me show you. She takes them to her flushing hovel,

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which has a Pepe Sylvia organizational map adorning its plaster
wall from Florida ceiling. Barba's having none of this nonsense,
though he doesn't care about her daughter because she's been
trafficking girls in the execution of her mission, and tells
her she's looking at twenty years if she doesn't cooperate
and hand over all her evidence. When the unit presses

(09:07):
the women they scooped up, no one will say shit,
even to flip on their bootstomping pimp Timmer. They get
led to a party house in Jamaica Queen's with Timmer
dropping off a vanload of girls with whom he's clearly
not gentle. Coreese and Finn follow him as he goes
to pick up more girls, with Creasy driving the van.
Much to Tomorrow's consternation, an unmarked liquor truck pulls up

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and drops booze at the house, which Tomorrow and Rollins
pull over and then commandeer for a Super Bowl party
delivery the next day. To get eyes on the house
with Amorrow inside, they burst through the door and take
over the party. Waiting for sweet Ariel to show up
in the next batch of snow bunnies, Martha implores Benson
to let her come along. Then Benson's traps into thigh

(09:52):
high leather boots and an electric blue leopard print shirt
and rolls out with Finn to the party, posing as
super sex party attendees. The unit waits and waits for
Ariel to arrive. Coreasy blends into the party, and just
as he's getting his rod grinded down on a couch
by one of the ladies of the night, Lieutenant Declan
Murphy rolls in, sporting an Irish accent, deep undercover as

(10:16):
the Bishop, Murphy clocks Careasy. Declan clocks Caresey in the
head with a butt of his handgun. The waiting police
burst through the door and everyone's hauled in Declan's fucking
livid that they blew up his spot because it's taken
him nine months to get this close to Johnny D,
and now he's going to have to spend a week

(10:37):
in rikers to maintain his cover. More than that, Ariel
has been beaten senseless by Timmer and sold off to
Johnny DE for the price of a used beater. Martha
implores Ariel's friend Nina to tell her where Ariel is. Unfortunately,
Ariel's in Hell. In the midst of a week long
torture session, chained up and being raped by a slew
of pimps, Timmer gives up where he took Ariel. They

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raise the abandoned hospital basement sex dungeon and eventually get
to Ariel, who's been held at the end of a
shard of glass by none other than Johnny D. They
defuse the standoff, get Ariel back to her undercover mother,
and then Rollins proffers a greeked soda to Declan, who
tells them not to turn their back on Johnny D,

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but that he's going back under to go further up
the ladder. Paul from The Wonder Years tries to assert
that Johnny D had nothing to do with any of this.
Johnny D is to be remanded to the federal pen
pending trial. Back at the Benson Abode, story time with
Noah is interrupted by a knock at the door. Warner's
got a folder, lives got to see Johnny D is
Noah's father, and we get an oh, so Noah is

(11:44):
the spawn of Satan dick Wolf.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
It's true, man. I just think that if Lily Taylor
had joined a secret organization called Motherhood, she might have
had a better look at fighting the man influence. In
this case, I think it would have been harder for
the man to fight her with Canadian moms kryptonite aka

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doing crimes and getting busted for it in this case.
All right, So before we get any further, should we
jump into the guests? I do have a location note
to talk about. Actually, I think I will do after
we talked about Guests, because I was interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Hopefully it's basement of abandoned hospital.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
It is nice.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Okay, So the guest stars they're tom here, some of
which we did already cover and some of which will
cover when we hit the earlier episodes in SVU that
they do more work in. So for Charles Alford slash
Johnny d or Jazz Anderson slash Timmer or Jimmy LEVELASQZ
who's playing plr Rales, or Emily Aldhause who's playing Jesse,

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or Daniel Burgess who's playing Nina Soren. We discussed them
back in Munch of My Benson episode seventy five Amorrow
Nips out on a Gurney, where we talked about surrendering Noah,
which brings this whole arc to a close.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Kind of said that there weren't any out.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I know, it's a little a little disappointing, all right.
So first up, we're gonna talk about Lily Taylor, who
is playing Martha Thornhill. She was born in Glencoe, Illinois,
and graduated from New Trier High School in Winnetka alongside
Liz Fair. She studied theater at DePaul University before being
cut from the acting program, which led her to study

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at the Piven Theater Workshop, which is still run by
Jeremy Pivens's mother, who co founded the workshop with her
husband Byrne after they left the Playwrights Theater Club, which
they'd co founded and from which the Compass Players and
Second City sprung Forth. She started out with supporting roles
in Mystic Pizza. I almost said, mister River, I.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Know, I thought you were going to say that, fuck
that movie, mister Pizza.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
It's fine whatever. She was also in Sae Anything and Well,
I'm gonna this is gonna be a long intro, a
long breakdown of what she's done, and then Yeah, Born
of the fourth of July. And then she got a
breakout role in the indie adaptation of the Richard Ford
book Rock Springs that was titled The Bright Angel. She
was nominated for the first of her four Independent Spirit

(14:11):
Award nominations. She's still yet to win, though this sort
of served as the roadmap for her career supporting roles
in mainstream features or ensemble films, and then lead roles
in indies, for which she generally received acclaim and occasional
awards buzz. Other films she was in include Dogfight, Shortcuts,
Household Saints, for which she was nominated for an Independent

(14:32):
Spirit Award, Rudy Predaporteraire Ready to Wear The Addiction another
Independent Spirit Award nomination, Girls Town, another Independent Spirit Award nomination,
Eyeshot Andy Orhol Ransom Pecker, The Haunting, High Fidelity Factotum,
The Notorious Betty Page, The Promotion, which was Stephen Conrad's
directorial debut, Brooklyn's Finest Public Enemies About Sherry, the Conjuring,

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and May's Runner, The Scorch Trials. She's also been nominated
for three Emmys, twice for Outstanding Guest Actress in The
X Files which makes This a brain melter, and in
Six Feet Under, and she was once nominated for Outstanding
Lead Actress in a Limited Series for American Crime, which

(15:17):
was John, Who were just talking about him?

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
John Ridley, John Ridley, Jean Riley. She was also main
cast in The Dick Wolf creation Deadline. She was in
main casting State of Mind, American Crime, Almost Human, and
season three of Six Feet Under. She also had recurring
roles in Hemlock, Grove Chambers and Perry Mason. She was
once engaged to Michael Imperioli and had to go to

(15:41):
restraining order against her former boyfriend Michael Rappaport after he
pleaded guilty to two charges of aggravated harassment. She's been
married to Nick Flynn since two thousand and nine and
they have a daughter together. She's also a conservation activist
focusing mostly on birds, and is on the board of
the National Autumn Society and the American Birding Association.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
I hadn't quite appreciated that she was in every sappy
John Cusack movie, but.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well, because they were old friends dating back to the
PIVVEN shit Ah, right on, Okay, they both studied at
the PIVNS Worships.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I mean she was in the Darling through the nineteen nineties,
like in everything.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
If Parker Posey wasn't in it, she.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Was exactly but fantastic. She's really great.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Next up, I've got Donald log Yeah, who's playing Lieutenant
Declan Murphy.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
The first time we're meeting him?

Speaker 2 (16:29):
It is. He is an Irish Canadian and American citizen
born in Ottawa to Irish parents who were Carmelite missionaries.
Their mission work took them from Canada to Boston to California,
where they settled in Calexico and El Centro in the
Imperial Valley. I did a whole weird dive into what

(16:51):
being a Kramelite means. Okay, it's just a weird, weird, weird, weird,
very rare Catholic sect.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, they're the monks. Yeah, and yeah, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I couldn't parse what the difference between that and Jesswitz
or Jacobites or whatever. So yeah, not to detegrate his
parents' work. I couldn't parse it. So he went to
high school in El Centro with a semester spent studying
at Saint Ignatius College in Enfield Town in London. He
then went on to study history at Harvard. He has

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a class ACDL and can drive tractor trailers with double
or triple trailers, tankers and hazardous materials. And he has
a hardwood company and a trucking company in Oregon that
he looks to have founded around the time Terriers was canceled,
and per w Earl Brown, he left the business out
of frustration at the best thing he ever got to
do getting unceremoniously canceled.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
He didn't leave for very long now, it was two years.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
But still I get being very pissed. So onto the acting.
He started with small but colorful roles in Sneakers Northern Exposure.
I just watched this Northern Exposure maybe six months ago.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
A humble brag, because you own the fucking DVD box set.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah, this was a conversation that happened off show. Yeah,
Adam's not very happy that he can't watch Northern Exposure
because it's available nowhere.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, it's not even really available on kind of back
channel methods that I usually use because it's almost unwatchable
these things.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
But anyways, k basically you need an all region player.
If you get the Region two Blu rays the UK ones,
those have the original music on them. Nice, So if
that's what you're looking for, you need an all region player.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, hopefully I'll find a Torrent or something that's what
I should start looking for.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Well, it's so rare that you can't really get it anyway.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
He was also in Gettysburg, The X Files, Blade and
Jimmy the Cab Driver MTV spots. The X Files credit
also makes this a brand melter. By the way, he
also had a couple of TV shows that he was
main cast in that were canceled after their initial order
was filled, so like thirteen episodes or ten episodes nine
episodes for one of them, I think. In two thousand

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he was in The Dallas Steve, which was sort of
as breakout role as it won him the Special Jury
Prize at Sundance that got him cast an Er, playing
the Vegas hookup father of Sherry Stringfield's child in a
recurring role. As he was doing that, he got cast
as a patriarch in Grounded for Life, which ran for
four seasons on Fox. He followed that with a slew
of movies, including ghost Rider and Zodiac, a sitcom he

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headlined with Sophia Vergara called Knights for Prosperity, the underrated
pre Homeland, Damian Lewis Vehicle Life, and then finally Terriers,
which is fucking perfect television. It's a buddy PI story
with Log and Michael Raymond James playing partners, brilliant storytelling
front back, no fucking fat everything matters even when you

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think it's not going to, and their dynamic together is
some of the best fucking buddy chemistry you'll ever see.
Watched it four times through. I almost watched it again
just for this episode, the whole thing, all thirteen episodes.
I would have gladly done it in a sitting. This
has made a manageable thing because Fax never figured out
how to market it and had to cancel it that
for one season, despite the fact that they fucking loved it.

(20:01):
John Lamgraff pretty much said, that's like the hardest cancelation
he's ever had to do because he loved that fucking show.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I don't get that.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Then log took the aforementioned time off to drive trucks,
and then he took parts on Copper Sons of Anarchy,
Vikings SVU, and eventually Gotham, which he appeared in one
hundred episodes of from twoenty fourteen to twenty nineteen. More recently,
he was cast in Dummy and the second season of

(20:28):
The Peacock Show Departure. He had a two episode special
guest star arc on The Stump Down and he was
in the Cloverfield Paradox.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
I really want to see his episode of The Commish
looks great.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, yeah, seriously, if anyone has not seen Terriers, it's
so fucking good and it's on Hulu now, so you
should watch it.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Had been on something and then taken on It was.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
On Netflix a long time ago, but yeah, then it
was not available anywhere for like five years.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, fantastic, I'll watch it again too.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Moving nev line, we've got Josh seven Piano who is
playing counselor Don Taft. He was born in New York.
He was pole Fier in The Wonder Years, who Millhouse
on The Simpsons is based.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
On really yep, I didn't realize that.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I think I knew it at one point, and
then when I was looking at his I think IMDb
page maybe it was Maybe it was. So yeah, he
majored in poly sie Yale, then got his jd from
Yeshiva's Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, so he's practicing lawyer.
Like His credits are basically The Wonder Years, Camp Cuckamonga,

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and then nothing until this episode of Is for You.
Next up, we've got Amanda Warren who's playing.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Tracy brain Melter.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
We just talked about her two episodes ago when we
covered Guardian Title TVD, but she was playing Regina Carter.
So for the third time in this episode we have
a brain Melter, but this one's much more immediate than
the other two. The other two you're having to go
to the X Files, which Munch was in one episode.
So what Yeah, not the same as Amanda Warren having

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been in two episodes ago as someone else. So yeah,
if you want to hear about her, s'more go back
and listen to that one. Go back to episode with
seventy nine. Next up, I've got Danika Jaroche who's playing
Ariel Thornhill. She was born in Morristown, New Jersey. She
grew up a dancer in Bedminster, New Jersey. She was
in Billy Elliott on Broadway when she was ten. She

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was also main cast in Heroes Reborn and seasons three
and four of the Greenhouse. She had recurring parts in
See Dad Run, Shameless, and The Perche TV Show. She
also appeared in the films The Miracle Season and Jack
Reacher Never Go Back.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
I don't understand those Jack Reacher movies, but anyways, continue.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I saw them both. The first ones good, the second
one's garbage, yeah, and the first one some of the
stunt orc was kind of bad, and one scene specifically
stuck out to me as being like, oh, that's bad,
but otherwise it's whatever, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I read a couple of those novels, like twenty years ago,
and I had to say that I would never have
cast Tom Cruise in that role. But it doesn't really well.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
The actual character is like supposed to be six three
or something right exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
He's like a huge, kind of like hole.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
You can't fit him at a shoe box.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Ex military guy. Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I mean what Okay, obviously Tom is crazy, but he
is kind of like the.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Only movie star that still exists basically.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, that that still does like fucking action and that
isn't you know. I mean Stay Thumb and the Rock whatever. Yeah,
obviously they do too, but he's probably the only movie
star who you could be like, oh, here's Oscar Trash,
let me cast this guy in it, and he could
still you know, do all his own stunts. Yeah, you like,
fly a fucking helicopter through a fucking exact.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
He's kind of in a different lane than any other
at least male actors are anymore. Yep, and you know,
more power to him.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yep. Okay, I've got two more. We've got Nicky and
m James, who's playing Detective Gail Dunbar. This is her
third of three svus, her second as this character. She
was also in two Criminal Intents. She's born in New
Jersey to Emma Grant parents. Her father was from Saint
Vincent and her mother was Haitian. I didn't want to
say the demonem for people from Saint Vincent because it's

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it is more confusing than anything else.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
She graduated from Livingston High School in Livingston, New Jersey,
and then went to Tish. She won a Tony for
her part in the Book of Mormon. She played Monica
Timmins in nine combined episodes of The Good Wife and
Good Fight. She was main cast in Braindead, which starred
Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Danny Pino, and she was main

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cast and proven innocent. She's in the Disappearance of eleanor
Rigby series of films, primarily in the Hymn one I believe,
but she's in all three. That's a weird thing. If
you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. Otherwise
it doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Like, there's one one that's combined and then an one movie,
a piece that follows the male and the female. It
is like a relation ship thing. Is Jessica Chastain and
think it's James McAvoy. I might be misremembering who the
male is, though I want to say it's Oscar Isaac
because it's a Jessica Chastain movie and it's pretty much
every time she's in a movie he is. But anyway,

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then last up, I've got Derek Baskin, who's playing Detective
Cash Jellette, and he's moving up in the ranks as
this is his third SVU with Gillette previously a UNI,
so good on him. He was born in the Bronx
and went to Hampton University for fucking biology. Not usually
what you see of the actress on the show. He
was Nate in eighteen episodes of Difficult People, which is

(25:37):
a fucking delightful show. Yeah, everyone should watch that as well.
He's also Tony and Grammy nominated for eight Too Proud,
in which he played Otis Williams of the Temptations.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
So yeah, it looks like he's a ton of Broadway. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, it's mostly Broadway work. So getting that from both
Nikki m James and Derek Baskin, that's all I got
for guest stars. You have anyone else?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
No, I have a bunch of these pages open, but
I think most of them are people we talked about
in that previous episode.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
So yeah, I'm still holding off on the actress who's
playing Selena Cruz because she's more.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, she's more because she hasn't had like she had
a bigger role in the last one we watched than
in this one. Yeah, but yeah, I think I think
we will learn more about her.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I'm waiting for the one where it's the one with EMES,
I believe, and they're trying to get her kid back
for her.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Oh right on, Yeah, I forget that there's an EMS one.
So yeah, there's one kind of location I wanted to
talk about, because the thrilling climax to this episode takes
place in quote unquote abandoned hospital which is supposed to

(26:46):
be in Queen's and I'm ninety five percent sure that
the actual abandoned hospital that they are referencing is creed
More Psychiatric Center, which is a nightmarish place, at least
in the lore. At one point it was the largest
mental health facility in the world, housing over five hundred

(27:07):
I guess residents. I think some of them were there
by choice and some not by choice, and as kind
of legendary for being out of control. At a certain
point in the seventies, when the city was going through
its financial crisis, it was something like this was in
one year, three rapes, twenty two assaults, fifty two fires,
one hundred and thirty burglaries, six suicides, a shooting, a riot,

(27:30):
and an attempted murder all occurred, So this was like
nineteen seventy four. But anyways, this place has kind of
been there on and off since the late eighteen hundreds. Now,
New York has a kind of interesting history with some
of these abandoned hospitals are kind of dotted around the city,
but this one is clearly close enough.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Especially now.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Oh yeah, well, because every island has some weird ass
abandoned hospital facility on it, whether it's the one that
you might have seen. Is in Roosevelt Island, which is
kind of in the middle of the East River, there
is a it's the Smallpox Hospital where they used to
put people there who were suffering from smallpox to keep
them away from the rest of the city. But there's
several of these other places. There's North Brother Island, which

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is where Typhoid Mary stayed, and there's a few other
Randalls and Ward's Island both had these things back in
the past. They had a facility for it was basically
for orphans, with something like fifty thousand orphans lived on
this place at one point, and they were using them
as as slave labor essentially to do kind of menial tasks,

(28:30):
but Creedmore is very much still there. They sold off
most of it to be used as like people's offices,
but one building in it, Building twenty five, is completely
abandoned and it is just about the most nightmarish thing
I've ever seen. The interior of this place. I have
a great Atlas Obscura piece about it sells kind of

(28:50):
the history of Creemore, but has some fantastic photographs also
that are definitely worth checking out. And that's clearly where
they're supposed to be in this one, because apparently you
can break into this thing. I would not want to
without a respirator because it is covered in mountains of
some kind of animal shit and it's pretty gross. But yeah, man,

(29:12):
I think we can get to kind of breaking this
sucker down.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
So one thing I've noticed they really like, and I
have to look at who the writers were on this one,
was this, say Light and Martin.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, Light.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I feel like Light and Martin really enjoy the undercover
op cold open. Something we've seen a couple times now,
the Chinatown Rubin Tug episode. Which one was that was
that counselor's Chinatown. Yeah, this is Pete canjob that was.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
That tracks, So that sounds like a thing that we
would call that episode.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
So yeah, that was another one where we saw this
where we're in media in the middle of their operation.
We don't know all the details on operation, but we know, uh,
we can tell Caresey's undercover because he's wearing glasses.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, well, he's wearing the eyeglass cam. You know, they
have the feed in the truck, and so when he
is looking oh it, when he is eyeing up that
young pert prostitutes ass, everyone in the van is also
saying this along with us. Thankfully.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I'm not one hundred percent sure whether that technology existed
in twenty sixteen, but.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
I feel like it didn't.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
But whatever, it definitely exists now because Facebook is selling
sunglasses that do this. I mean, it's a lot easier
to tell that there are cameras because you can see
little dots in them. But the difference here, of course,
is that if Caresy was looking at that girl's ass,
then Facebook would own the rights to that.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
So yeah, yeah, just like if you put your episode
up there, I like that uc Coresy has to get
a piece of that young fresh tail before the wife
gets home at eleven, Like is the pre eleven p
sex for pay trade the best time to get the
top talent. He's pressing for that new fresh tail, but like,

(31:06):
can you reasonably expect for that to be there by eleven?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
There's kind of like two kind of pools you're fishing in, right,
So one the top talent pool is the high rollers
that don't have an engagement after this, right Yeah, and
then you've got the lunchhrush guys, the quickie before dinner guys.
But I think that you kind of take what you
can get.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah. I will say that the eyeglass cam allegedly allegedly
and will say that the eyeglass cam is really letting
the handheld cam ops go to town.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
I just I love the no more ass more ass Yeah,
imagining the er director shouting instructions.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Man, when we were talking about episode four hundred or
what was supposed to be four hundred with Sarah Winter,
which we haven't titled yet, yeah, which we totally didn't
even talk about the fact that that was Hargatea who
directed it. I feel like an.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Asshole, really yeah. Fuck. I mean that's what we get
for like skimming over this shit. We used to look
at at thingies like that over all the time.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
This one's directed by Steve Shill, whoever the fuck that is.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
I'm sure he's a perfectly fine person. Yeah, but I
did not look him up, and I can't say anything
about himself.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
But if, like star of SVU Mariska is directing it,
yeah we maybe.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah, we really should have mentioned it anyway. I do
think it's funny that Benson says, wait a minute, we
know this woman when Polar was also in an episode,
and she was in an episode before Selena was, so
there are two people there too. Yeah, so obviously if
Selena goes upstairs, she makes Careesi. You may not know

(32:48):
this though, because they were both season sixteen, episode one,
Girl's Disappearing. So that was Scannafino's first appearance on the show.
So yeah, his first steps actually kind of fun. I'm
really looking forward to when we draw that one.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
I mean, I thought that all the Carresi moments in
this one were fantastic. First off. I mean, he's clearly
an ass man. Obviously, Dom's an ass man, and I
love it.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yeah, I love that this is just you see cares
he's an ass man. We don't know. He seems almost
saintly because it feels like he's never getting any because
he's just holding out for Ron. I mean, now he's
getting some.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, what is that Chauncey Gardner is at being there? Yeah,
he just likes to watch. Maybe that's his thing. He
just likes to get the snow bunnies and watch.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
So Selena says no obla in glaze. Literally six seconds
after saying mouths shut, she says no obla in glaze
to the arresting officer who reunited her with her son,
who'd been held captive by the cartel. W T fuck.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
I mean, you shoot your shot. It's probably not gonna work,
but you never know.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
I mean, what the fuck? Like, how do you not
make the cop who fucking freed your son from being
held captive by the car talk? Because that is absolutely
what happening. Girls disappeared fourteen episodes earlier.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
I know, seriously, but going back slightly, yes, So does
NYPD have is it just SVU or does NYPD have
a manual that says when a male detective is going undercover,
he ought to be wearing glasses to sell the effect?

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Is that department policy? Or is that just you know,
at the discretion of the officer.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
They have a style guide that they reference all the time, exactly.
I mean, I love yeah, I don't want to get
a habit, but Mariska's fantastic in this. Yeah anyway, sorry, yeah,
So who's in charge? I'm undercover for him. Minutes and
ten seconds in and we get one of the weirdest
developments on a long fucking time to ask for you,

(34:48):
undercover mother.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I'm keeping this one in my back pocket because you
never know. You never know when you're in a situation
where things are going to go tits up, yep, and
if you don't have a good explanation for why you're there,
I'm undercover.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
They have my daughter. Oh man, it's kind of fucked
out that Toronto p D doesn't believe women.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I mean, would you though, honestly, Josh, because it seems
like she's a sex trafficker too, right.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
No no, no, no, no no no no, no, no
no no no Toronto PD, not not NYPD, Toronto PD.
They were on vacation in Toronto and.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Oh, that's right, they were on vacation in Toronto because
they were from fucking they were from Winnipeg. I believe
they were from Winnipeg. Okay, great, you know, Oh no,
they're from Calgary.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, I just like.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I like to pronounce it in the Italian methods caliery.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Oh sure, sure. I love the pepe Sylvia wall in
her apartment.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Oh my god. Yeah, I was like, I.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Just wanted all the pneumatic tubes of mail to be
getting sorted right there.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
I mean for me, it's like, so, is that the
another thing that you can get away with stuff? So
it's like, yeah, of course I'm undercovered. Look at my
Charlie Kelly wall.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
You just have to have one of those on standby that. So,
I mean, if you're willing to live with that sort
of mass on the wall, you can get away with anything.
We get a backpage reference here. For those who are
curious what backpage is, just go back and listen to
Bunch of My Bens in episode fifteen, Amor's Peculiar Censor Smell,
wherein we talked about that ad nauseum.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I think I deleted some of my notes whatever because
I didn't know about that. But moving on, how is
Barbara the only like non rube in this unit?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I know, he's.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Suffering none of this freelance you see, Shit, are you
kidding me? He's looking around what the fuck is going
on here? And he's worked with them for a while. Now,
you know, this isn't like first episode of Barbara. It's
a really fucking weird thing for everyone to just be
whole hog in on this. I mean, obviously she's not
lying about it, but it's still.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
At the same time, he's also right that she is
a criminal sex trafficker yep, even though she has this
bizarre conspiracy wall at her hotel room or whatever.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Oh man, and she's out there buying girls like it's
nobody's business. I know, she's just buying left I she's
sending them home.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
But it's not even that expensive, honestly. You know, I
don't know what the going rate for the career of
a sex worker is, but it seemed like very reasonable prices.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I like when she says that she's paying for it
with donations from her church.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, but I believe those were cheaper. The women in
this were cheaper than your grand wagon, ear right, Josh.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, that's why I said it beat her. Yeah yeah, Okay,
So Ariel ended up getting sold to Johnny d for
eight hundred dollars, but that's because of how badly timmerfucked
her up. Most of them are going for twelve hundred,
which I've had multiple cars that cost less than twelve
hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I love when Benson offers to go undercover for the
undercover mother, because there's nothing live loves more than to
go undercover.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
I know, it's delightful when she gets so happy about it.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Oh yeah she doesn't. I don't want to jump ahead. Fuck,
I'm gonna hold off.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
We'll get there.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, we'll get there. And the holy shit, what a
great scene.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Her part's not even my favorite part of that scene, Josh,
but we'll get there.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Get there.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I guess the case the joint in Queens and it's
like different crowd, more ethnic, which, yeah, I didn't notice
it being decidedly more ethnic.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Well, I think that the whole scene is more ethnic.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I guess I don't know where they were in Queen's
not necessarily, but it doesn't matter. It's not like they
were in like Jackson Heights or something, or you know,
Flushing whatever. I thought it was a weird line.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
I like Tomorrow telling Selena Christ to get fucked. Doesn't
he call her mom of the Year or something?

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Oh well, and he calls her a disgrace.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, yeah, he says descrasia, which it comes from the
root of the word disgrace. But it's sort of like
wretch almost. I tried searching for it because I assumed
that was what it was. Yeah, but yeah, when you
look up for like disgrace it I think it tends
to just verb it out, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I liked pillar offering to do Careese it snow.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Bunny, that's who this is all about, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
But she's supposed to be the party last night.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Till she mold off timers the crap at her in
front of us. Is she now how long I gotta
stay here? I didn't do nothing. Just let me go
right not today, pool Bine, arrest me, Timmer, what post
bell or throw me to social services. I go to
a shelter, I do the night guy. He lets me run.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Away, and then you call Selena you're catching on.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Lo's your girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
I'll do you right now, whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Oh God again. Every scene with Careesy is gold in
this because yeah, she's offering to do it, and he's like,
he's kind of happy to swallow and be like.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, I feel like there's a little.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Why couldn't Rollins have done this interview?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, we get to the party house and tim Or
is a real dick in this one. So obviously this
is pretty Eldridge cleaver.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Are we jumping Carrese's driving?

Speaker 2 (40:10):
That's right here because they see tim Or being an
asshole while they're doing surveillance, that's right. Yeah, yeah, because
he's sort of like shoving around the girls that he's
just dropped off. Then carease he goes to follow him,
and like this must be a callback, but it really
seems weird to me that Tomorrow's riding his jock so hard.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Everybody because it's not just Tomorrow because also gives a
bit of grief too.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, they're like, oh shit, caresee is driving like he
must have.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Just wrecked his squad car or something. I don't erect
his I guess it's not a squad car but unmarked vehicle.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Anyways, I thought he did a fine job, and what's
he going to.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Don whip a shitty pull the e brake and.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, it's like there's snow on the ground. It's a van,
so it's real, real drive like it's not gonna happen.
It's not gonna work unless he's got a TC's van
from fucking Magnum p I and you know it's fucking
jacked up to the nines.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, the liquor truck is fucking sad, right.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Oh, it's actually I feel like that's authentic. That shit
has parked outside my house every fucking day, Josh. Every
day I put the child down for a nap and
there's some delivery truck out my door with a slipping
belt and graffiti all over the side of it, and
it's just like.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Just winding out there, just every time I start wheeling.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
And I'm like, it's because they just leave them on
while they're doing the deliveries. So it's like these people
are like they're parking in the middle of a four lane,
very busy avenue. Just they park like they choose a
middle lane to stop under deliveries. It's like, oh, great things, yeah,
And it's like I just want to print out a
form that says maintain your vehicle and just this is
gonna be my thing. I'm just gonna run down and

(41:43):
every time there's one with a squealing belt, I'm just
gonna drop it in their their fucking windshield wipers.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
I wanted to start an Instagram account in LA that
was just taking pictures of everyone who parked like a
fucking asshole.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
And I wanted to leave notes on their car or
like have like little cards printed up that said thanks
for parking like a piece of shit. But I didn't
do it.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
I believe there that there's enough people that are going
out or whatever kind of reasonably close to where you
live that really don't know how to parallel park, and
this is the first time they've done it in years.
You don't get away with that shit here, man.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
In the neighborhood that I lived in. I don't really.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Really not get away with it there. You lived in
just about the most urban possible part of Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Anyway. So snow snow Bunny's bringing the big bucks. I
just have that quote pulled. There's a lot of snow
Bunny talking this episode.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We could get so much more
inappropriate than we are.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, I feel like we're handling this very professionally. So
Nick the booze Man comes up with a magliner borrowed
from production, stocked with Booze, which I thought was fun.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Yeah, you know what, I felt like this was an
episode that Amorrow needed to jump into, like he needed
to take over that because there's a lot of people
that I don't buy as U sees in this episode,
and Amorro's basically the only one I bought all the
whole time. I mean, Caresi's like scared, dumb slash smart

(43:15):
guy routine was interesting, but I might have thought he
was a plant.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
It was fun for us, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
But yeah, Amar was good.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
So seeing as though we just saw Amanda Warren two
weeks ago as a high priced defense attorney return as
Tracy as the hood Madam here is pretty fucking convincing.
I have to say good work.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, it was good work on her, and the hair
and makeup put her in a good spot because she
looked the part man and was good at it.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
And again two weeks ago, we saw her as a
high price defense attorney doing pro bono work, and she
looked that part.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Also, absolutely, And I guess I'm saying that because what
I say, she looked the part, I mean I would
buy that that's what she was doing. That somebody that
actually worked in one of those places kind of looked
like that and kind of like held herself that way.
I don't know that I would.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Buy live I would Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Now we're going to the super Bowl party.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Well, okay, so first off, Benson tells Martha to sleep,
and how dare you? Yes, now, as a mother live,
if you have a kid, you do not sleep.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I still haven't slept, and he's almost a year and
a half now.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
I love Benson telling Lucy that she's just going out
in the town dressed like a Strong Island madam in
thigh high leather boots. Like her outfit is kind of fantastic.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
You know, real quick, I want to talk about this
sleeping thing because I'm going to bring it to New
York City politics right quick. I don't remember what the
barb was, the initial barb, but Eric Adams, who was
the Democratic candidate for New York City mayor, who was
one former former Brooklyn Borough president whatever they call him,
but ninety to one shot to win it, like he's

(44:59):
going to win it on under every circumstance.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
One is a crazy long shot whatever.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
He's like a ninety nine percent chance of winning this
thing essentially, Yeah, other way around, So somebody mentioned that
he hasn't been seen out on the campaign trail very
often these days, and one of his flax like immediately
hit back with a Eric Adams is working hard, you know,
getting ready to represent the city of New York. He's
still maintaining his I shoot you not five am to

(45:24):
two am schedule daily. And so this guy is claiming
that this guy who doesn't campaign anymore, all he does
is goes to fucking fundraising events. It's all he does.
He's only sleeps three dis Yeah, dude sleeps three hours
a night every days.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
In which which house is the air Quo New York
or is his Jersey house that he actually lives in exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, so it's a long commute from Jersey, you know,
at fucking four in the morning or whatever. Anyways, fucking lunatic.
To break it away from current, let's talk outfits. So
liv has leather thigh high boots on and a green
and black leopard print top.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
It's not green, dude, It was like a teal green greenish,
a neon turquoise.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, I could see that. I saw like a greenish
tint to it. Maybe it was my television, but it
was it was something, and I love that Lucy's like
going out on the town.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, just fucking hilarious. You really think that's what's happening
in here. Lucy Live is just sort of like, yeah,
kind of. And then Finn comes in.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Finn comes in wearing the best outfit that we've seen
him in since episode five of munch My Benson, who's
the perfect victim for a ninety pound tort purp, which
was juvenile.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
When he walks into that crime scene in the beginning
in the cold open, just.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Priceless, fantastic. So the only thing he's lacking in this
one is the foot well obviously the slick back ponytail,
but the fedora with the feather in the cap that
he had in that one. But in this one he
is goddamnrisp that he has a purple suit. Yeah, a
purple Paisley shirt. I half expected him to open up
the jacket and have John Witherspoon's mushroom belt mushroom jacket

(47:11):
liner from Boomerang in there. It was fucking outstanding and
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, great stuff all around here. So there's lots of
jokes about the Patriots being cheaters.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
I mean, come on, a fantastic joke about the Patriots
being the cheaters.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Okay, plays is more like what you're looking forward.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Yeah, the Seahawks, Man, I'll make sure nothing's under inflated tonight.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
You do that, baby, all right?

Speaker 5 (47:40):
So you want to put your money on the Pats, right,
They're gonna make sure New England wins this even if
they got to rid the last play of the game.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
But what fucking team has two huge cheating scandals and
gets off relatively easily in last year Super Bowl? Do
you hear shit about Tom Brady being a cheater?

Speaker 1 (47:56):
No? No, because he's mister America, the greatest quarterback.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Time, complete piece of shit. But whatever, of.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Course whatever he like, like like tongue kisses his like
fifteen year old son too. It was very timely referenced, though,
because the flaate Gate happened on January eighteenth, twenty fifteen,
and this episode aired exactly one month later, February eighteenth,

(48:25):
so they had to do like a last minute edit
to get some of those underinflated lines into the script.
Did you notice that Timber that thing? Yeah, he wanted
to get in the Bens and bones zone.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
He's clearly in a weird leopard prints and leather. Nina
is grinding so hard on Carese's joint here like he
might be inside her. Then he jumps up, presumably because

(49:01):
he's trying not to. He's trying to stress everyone from
his erection.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Thinking about baseball. He's like a long time.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Of year, he'd be way too aroused thinking about baseball.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
So pictures and catchers are almost on the corner.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, pictures and cutchers are reporting in like a week.
Then dec Lan introduces Creesy to the butt of his
I think it's a cold nineteen eleven pearl handled pistol
that he just fucking clocks creasy.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
He hit him hard, Yeah, like I.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Figured he cracked his skull.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, I would, that's hard.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Yeah. Then stand off and Sue's Yeah, Rollin's charges in
to see her former side piece in Irish Mobster costume.
I love when they get back to the house and
Barbara's looking at live and asking why she's dressed that way? Yeah,
like do I do? I want to ask?

Speaker 4 (50:01):
No.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
So his name is Declan, so obviously that might be
a giveaway, but I have not seen early Declan Murphy
episodes in a very long time. But is he supposed
to have some real life Irish connection.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I don't remember. I know he'd come in from being
deep undercover in the first episode that he was in,
and it like comes in to sort of shepherd the unit.
I can't remember why he's brought in. It's either Kragan's
on suspension or it's after Cragan's left and they sort
of handed the keys over to live and then they
brought in someone else.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
I think it's an aggressive accent choice, you know, just
to to like, it's a long time to hold a brogue, Like,
what is it nine months that he's been in and
he's expecting to be in for months longer. It's a
long fucking time.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I mean, we never see him again. He's still in.
I can't wait for him to pop up this season.
He'll probably be an episode five hundred and it's just like,
oh no, he's just he's just the biggest trafficker on
the on the East Coast.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Now he's still he's just like and even speak English
with an Irish accent. He's just like communicating to his
underlings in actual Irish.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Now yeah, yeah, he's speaking full on Gaelic creasy when
he's in holding does not look pleased to be holding
an ice pack to his head. And then fucking Tomorrow
comes in and grabs like most of the unit, you know,
for questioning air quotes, but not crazy Creasy. He has
to stay in there. I wonder what the f I know? Okay,
so Careasey's first episode. He sort of blusters in. But

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it's funny to me.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Yeah, it's funny to us now, especially because we've seen
him so many times. As you know, he's print and proper,
He's mister three P suit, He's the Adya and it's
funny to see him big league in him this this hard. Yeah,
they are.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I feel like, I don't know for sure if they're
still boning or not, but it might just be a
Rollins thing too, you know, because obviously Tomorrow and Rollins
were boning right around now. They probably have stopped at
this point, but just barely still fresh. Okay, interesting Robins
and Tomorrow sorry crazy, Yeah, I meant, I meant, I

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meant to Tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Tomorrow probably senses the snake in the grass, the Ralisi
snake in the grass.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Sure, I mean they're obviously soul mates. Yeah, so Declan calls, Yeah,
Declan calls cares a mouse job near that before I
looked it up, it's not a thing like it's not
that's that's not a term. I mean it's probably like
Mickey mouse job or something, but like that would be
like the job as a Mickey mouse job, not the person.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Did you look it up on like Urban Dictionary, dot co,
dot I R or whatever.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
The Yeah, it's Irish slang. Sorry I failed. I like that.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Declan's not pleased that SVU is coming in with their
narrow vision of justice without thinking of a larger picture,
which happens a lot in these episodes.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
It's fucking classic SVU.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
They have they're honestly blinders there. They've got blinders on
all the time.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
They have no business being involved in this case at all.
Now from the beginning, this is not an SVU case. Nope,
this is a vice squad case. And wece would know
if they haven't. You see deep undercover with this organization,
and they'd just be hanging loose taking photos and getting evidence.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, when they're on that steak out. They're not on
that steak out because there's been a victim that they are.
They're not acting on behalf of the victim. This is
straight up a vice case.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Absolutely, and then it's like, oh my god, there's a
blonde chick that needs saving. That's our department. This is
a massive investigation into I mean, obviously we are very
familiar with Johnny D. But had they given him a
better nickname? This is like one of the worst people imaginable.
You know, this is easily the worst Canadian criminal that

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I can think of, and as we know, he has
very good representation and it's hard to pin this guy
down for these crimes. This classic, that's for you.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
So when Martha implores Benson to let her talk to Mina,
doesn't it feel like it could comp remise things? I mean,
it doesn't, but I don't know if that's the best idea.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Well, you know, it might be one of those things
where I'd go like, hey, h Barba, is this gonna.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Fly that by the ADA work in the case?

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Is this gonna get the case thrown out? And you
know if we just send this undercover mother in there.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
So listen to something by Barba. So we've got this
undercover mother and I want to let her talk to
this witness.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
But did you notice that there was an undercover mother
going undercover in support of a different undercover mother in
this episode.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
So much undercover mothering.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Undercover mother solidarity. It's nice heartwarming.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
They now have like a patch that they each like
sewed onto a jacket.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
It is It is motherhood, That's what it is. Who
is Chris Catan in this scenario? That's what I want
to figure out. I guess that's probably Timber.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yeah, So they get tim Or to give up Johnny
D's spot, telling him that the Bishop and Johnny D
are going to think he rat them out anyway, So
he's a dead man if he doesn't help.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I mean, is this like a fucking Cormick McCarthy novel,
you know, like the Bishop.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Well, it's all all of the all of this circle
of sex traffickers. They're all chess pieces.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Okay, yeah, so yeah, who's the yeas.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Johnny Johnny D is the Queen, Careese's the pawn yep.
Yeah yeah. He gets sacrificed early. Yeah, So Timmer ends
up getting killed by Selena anyway, so there's really no
way out for him. And then the Dungeon girls are freed,
but they shockingly just look dirty to here, you know,
like they don't look that tortured. If this is meant
to be hell, I'm not saying that I needed to

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see that, you know, I'm not wanting like an Eli
Roth movie here, but.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Yes, or Cormick McCarthy, uh novel.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
But oh well, this this episode probably has commas.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
So these were extras, right?

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Were they even?

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Well?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
One of them had one one of them out of line,
the one the first one they go to. She's dirtied up,
but that's kind of it. She has multiple lines.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I think that, yeah, maybe trying to have like a
bunch of them. They also were not like held with
a very heavy gauge chain.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
I didn't think on the second pass, I didn't see
any chains.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
So I saw chain in one of them, and I
was like, it was very thin. Is the kind of
thing you like hold your screen door open with, you know,
not even plants hanging from that? Shit?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Doesn't it seem like they talk Johnny d down very
quickly and easily.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
To be fair, what's going to happen if he kills
that girl? They're going to shoot him?

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Completely agreed, but it's sort of like, oh man, look
at this, We're in the shit now. Cut to commercial
break and then it takes like fourteen seconds for it
to be resolved at the other end of the break.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Also, would you think that Johnny D would have learned
his lesson that, like, hey, taking a hostage doesn't end well.
You get arrested when you just grab a random hostage
when there's tons of people with guns. Yeah, that are
not going to get prosecuted if they shoot at you.
And what does he do in the next episode. He
takes a hostage and immediately gets dropped.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
My next note is mother and child reunion is only emotionalway.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Yeah, I wanted to have that be the fucking be
the dick wolf, but then we get a two seen button.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
So don't Oh we sure did.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, so Declan is totally pimping these girls out right.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Both Declan and Martha are. And we don't know what
Martha does after this. She could continue in the business.
I mean imagine going back to like putting your your
profile on fucking LinkedIn, or indeed, you're like, what have
you been doing for the last year? Oh, I've been
running a fairly high level uh sex trafficking operation for
a free Lamp alliance.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
But it's undercover, so it's Okay, do you have to
pay taxes on that?

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I mean, yeah, that's what.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
How the fun do they never go back to this.
You can't tell me that you couldn't have fit a
week of shooting into Donalogu's.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Schedule and just bring him back once in.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
We're in season Fuck what twenty three now?

Speaker 4 (57:57):
No?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Yeah, it's twenty three that's airing right now on shooting.
So it's been fucking eight years almost right, Yeah, six years,
seven years.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Some amount of time, A long time. I just don't understand,
Like there's a story here, you should go back to it.
I hope they do this season. I hope we get
it because Gotham's done, so maybe maybe his schedule open
back up.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
But is he on the East coast or is he
your West coast? Okay? But still, I mean I don't know.
I feel like, you know, it's hard to schedule people well.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
And like I want to see him interact with Michael
Raymond James and oh see, because Michael Raymond James is
in organized crime now and he's in the first Because
what they're doing is they're sort of splitting the full
season up into sort of three different case stories.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
So maybe they're setting it up, well, fingers Cross's cover.
He's going to run into a brogush deck and.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I really hope so. And then you know, we get
the dumb button that Johnny Diaz knows dead, which we
already know obviously because we fucking covered it fucking five
six episodes ago.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
So I have to say that anytime you see Warner
in street clothes, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
The news is coming. Exactly it's either going to be well,
you don't want me to tell you how I know this,
but that vomit, that vomit was from a child at
a middle school. I know, I just ruined your lunch,
but whatever, Elliet'll eat it.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
I mean, we're at the end of the episode. Let's
read the button is annoying, And obviously the less we
know about Noah the better. For the most part, at
least this Noah can't talk yet, so that's nice. But
let's rate this fucker. So obviously we rate these episodes

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every week. Of course, we are attempting to fit them
into a list of every single episode of Law and
Order SVU someday. So the way we do that is
we have four criteria, and each one of those is
a ten point scale we judge these on the equality
the guess how problematic it was and the depth and
breadth of lives ruined, and that gives us a composite score.

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And well, I guess let's just start with the qual
So the premise is wholly ridiculous and SV you shouldn't
be involved in this at all. But at the same time,
it's a fun episode. It's fun to watch, especially when
they get to the Superbowl party. There's some like real
laughlines that land. I did not have a problem watching

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this one. I didn't really know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
This one's fun enough.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
It's not very good, but it's really fun, Like all
the Carreese stuff is really fun. There's lots of fun stuff.
I mean, it's ridiculous, but it was fun. So you
want to throw at a number.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Josh, I'm thinking like a six.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah, that seems about right because it's a lot of fun.
I enjoyed watching it. Now the guests, I guess that's
the next step. So obviously, Lily Taylor is the one
that you will notice and think about the most.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Yeah, and we've got down a log here too, And yeah,
I mean he's sort of cast, but its first time
we've seen him. Yeah, well, he's only in like six
or seven episodes, so I think.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
He's fully yeahed, he's like in like one one season
really right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Besides, yeah, he's in he's mostly in fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah, and he's a lot of fun. I just can't
imagine like living with a fake accent for years. It's
just that's that's that's a lot. But he's fun. Timer
is great. I love Timmer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Amanda Warren is really good too.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Yeah, Amanda Warren is really good. Small role, but very good.
You know, Paul from the Wonder Years, he's fine whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
He's Marilyn Manson.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I feel like Lily Taylor kind of plays the Lily
Taylor role though, right. She has this kind of like
kind of like wide eyed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Not a Valerie Salanis though not.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Valorous Salons, which which I don't know maybe that would
have been warranted in this case, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
It would have been something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
But you know, she definitely has that kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
She's playing much more of her six feet under role here.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I feel, yes, she's definitely paying Nate Fisher's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Sudent wife who dead wife?

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Yeah, yeah, dead wife? Right, she had like a brain
names the problem believe that was the case. Yeah, Yeah,
I feel like it's kind of middle of the road.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I think it's a six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Also, maybe five. Yeah, it's a five because she doesn't
she is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I'm fine with six if you want to go there, but.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
I was going to go six because I think she
is fine. But she's not in any way stunt cast, right,
She's just kind of who she is. For those of
us who have seen her a lot, like, oh, that's
Robert Downey Junior's wife. From short Cuts, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Would assume that the two of us have probably seen
more Lily Taylor movies than most of the audience has.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
So short cups keeps coming up. It is so fucking
good investment because it's four hours long, but I highly
recommend it. It's more like three and a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
I don't want to scare people off with four hours.
I think it's a little shorter. I think it's it's
a two taper.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
It's a two taper, but it's worth it. Man Like
Fred Ward is fucking awesome in it, and Robert Downey
Junior is really great in it, and Chris Penn is
really great in it. Julian Moore is really great in it.
Matthew Modine is really great in it. It's a big
ensemble cast Robert All movie, and it's probably my.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Tommy Waits is fucking great in it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Tom Waits is fucking great in it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
That Tom Waits Lily Tomlin relationship is fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
They are amazing and fucking I'm trying to remember.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
It's one hundred and eighty eight minutes, so it's only
it's only three hours.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Uh. The Jesus Christ, we've seen him, Robbins. No, the
guy from SVU, Peter Gallagher is great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Didn't anyway, Jennifer Jason Lee really good. Fucking Uh. Chris
Penn is so good in this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Yeah, Chris pen Chris Penn really. I don't want to
give it away now spoilers, but Chris Penn has has
a very big role in it. But anyways, everybody is
great in this fucking movie. And it is fun at times,
it is weird at times, and it is so divorced
from the source material in a sense because it's really
about Los Angeles, Yeah, when the source material is not

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at all. Yeah. And Carver short stories, Raymond cor Carver
short stories about all kinds of different things, and somehow
they knitted it together to be this tapestry about Los
Angeles in the nineties and it's fucking brilliant. Yeah, but anyways,
digression was this episode problematic? So for one thing, Cares

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thirty seconds in we're staring at it, staring at her
age girls ass.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Well, the character is underage. I'm sure the actresses of age.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Sure, it's not that problematic. Did we didn't have the
information on that, but still CARESI is staring at a
young woman's ass and eliciting groans from the rest of
the unit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
We've got a lot of really really shitty treatment of sex.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Workers, Oh yeah, bad treatment.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Kidnapping of underage girls to be sex workers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
All around, and just a casual buying, purchasing and selling
of sex workers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
The price of fucking shitty used cars.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Like like I mean, like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
I mean the car I drove pretty much the whole
time we were in Austin.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
You could like trade in that fucking Cadillac that had
duct tape holding up the glove box for uh, underage
sex worker in the scenario. Yeah, that's problematic.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
We have to think a lot about about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
The Toronto police departments. Just utter dismissal of her, of
her plight and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Every other Police Department after that, because she was in
what four other cities like a Hamilton, Buffalo, No, no, no,
because it went to the US right after that. It
was Buffalo, Chicago. I feel like Minneapolis was one of
them too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Wow, well, none of those things are surprising, Josh. Have
you seen the latest stirt on the Minneapolis police department.
They were just like hunting, yeah, table during the protests
free up shit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah, when they were shot at because they were shooting
non lethal rounds of people in unmarked vehicles.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Yes, without without announcing their presence. Yeah. And so some
shot like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Straight up driving in unmarked vans with the with the
side door open and just shooting at people.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Yeah, like they're in a helicopter in fucking Vietnam. Yeah,
it's insane. I'm yeah. So yeah, I would not call
live Orphans outfits problematic. I would say those were.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Oh, those were fantastic, delightful. I mean, they're really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
The force with which Declan Murphy clocked Careesy was pretty problematic.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
He really maintained his cover. The weird Tomorrow fucking resentment
of everything Careasey did was kind of strangely problematic, Like
just fucking what what did he do to you let
the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Be yeah, because he knows that his lady friend is
having some certain feels for this rakish young would be attorney. Yeah,
I get it. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
So I'm thinking like a six? He or too?

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
You think it's a six?

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Maybe five? Five?

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
I think it's like a five. I don't know. The
deflate gate jokes were pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I mean to flake Gate, Well, we also get rid
of your lady friend. I'll fucking do you right here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Yeah, that was fantastic. Actually, that was fantastic. I think
that bumps into a six because like they really like
held the frame on Caresi's face. That plus the various
Caresie interactions with erstwhile underage sex workers is pretty hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Yeah, pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Okay, So last one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Did we come down on six? There? Or five? I
think it's just I'm just curious for posterity.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Let's go back. Let's go back to our most recent
five was the Marcia gay Harden Evan Moss Backrack episode,
which I'm trying to remember what exactly was problematic in
that one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Well, they thought that eco terrorism was the worst kind
of terrorism and not all that's right, White supremacists it's
like a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Totally different kind of problematic. So let's see the Susie
smund Missy Pyle episode Granting Immunity, also from this season.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, that's got two minutes of teen sex party set
to a really awful song.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I think it's I think it's in that range. I
think that sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Okay, yeah, yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
So the last one, it's kind of a hard one
to judge, I guess, because we see where this ends up, right,
and when we see that's depth and breadth of life's ruined.
So when we see all of these sex workers, they
are all living like the dream, it seems in this shelter.
They're also like pleasant and they have like a little

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fun like meetups and they get to talk to the
undercover mother who's not undercover anymore, except for Polar, who's
still somehow bitter about something which I don't quite understand.
Carees is nursing a pretty fierce bruise, a fractured skull,
that's what it looked like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Yeah, and let's see Webb got brain bleed from that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Honestly, I feel like Live is the one. I mean,
besides obviously the women who have been trafficked and et cetera,
et cetera. But Live is the one living with the
kind of worst fallout from this, right because she knows
that her child is the literal spawn of Canadian satan.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Yeah. Yeah, so she's got the like sort of damnicles
hanging over and she's you know, got to sit there
wondering whether or not being a rapist as nature or nurture.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
It's true, but a simple question, if you learn that
your child is ethnically a Canadian, are you kind of
obligated as the adopted parent.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
To serve a lot of maple syrup?

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Well, you know, you could get Maine maple syrup or
Vermont maple syrup. But are you obligated to teach them
about I don't know, Tim Horton's and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Wouldn't you want to teach him about poutine and Tim
Hortons anyway?

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Yeah, what about hockey?

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
You can skip that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Yeah. So I think that in spite of the fact
that there are large numbers of trafficked women in this
I feel like at the outcome of this episode, most
of them are at least on the track to the
up and up, and even the ones that we don't
really meet or don't really see. We know that Dona

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Luge's on the case and he can sniff out an
investigation with the best of them. Yeah, he's fucking terrier.
So I want to give it like a three.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Or four, probably a four, just because there are a
lot of tortured.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
We do see those girls in there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
There's at least four or five who were sitting there
in their week of breaking in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Yeah, after they've been broken in and they've been like
inhaling whatever's down there in that abandoned night in Irish
fucking hell. Scate justice. It's not just that, man, I'm
telling you, Mountain. They've all got a fucking guano. They're
getting that uh fuck, they're probably getting well, they're getting
the Bob Dylan disease, you know when he nearly died

(01:10:32):
for I forget what you call it. It's what you
get from either back guano or chicken shit. They're getting
that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Toxoplasmosis. I think that's no, that's from exposure to cat feces.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
I believe that is the one. God damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Histoplasmosis.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Histoplasmosis, Thank you very much. That's exactly I was just
finding it exactly the same time. Yeah, they were getting histoplasmosis,
they were probably breathing, yeah, mesothelioma, as well as getting
raped and tortured by a dozen of Johns terrible friends.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
They're probably gonna have one of those vaginal match things
and then they're gonna have to call that class action
suit too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Tim Or was clearly like the nicest
one of the whole bunch.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Right, and when he's the nicest one, you know it's
a bad life.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Yeah, no, shit, we'll call it a four just for
that purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
So because I feel like if we don't go, if
we don't go at least four, then we're really really
minimizing a lot of it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Just yeah, just really like nightmarish.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
No, I think we have to go higher because so
many of them were like kidnapped, and you hear enough
of their backstories and it's like, okay, well now their
backstory is all fucking into it. I think it has
to be a five.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Oh, because we've got you've got like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Five different sex workers who you're hearing the horrors. You
hear a lot about the stepfather, the stepfather who like
was pimping her out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
So exactly like, these girls have lived through a fucking nightmare.
So even if their life is like better at the
end of it, it's not great, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
It's also not it's not entirely as established that it
wasn't Lily Taylor's boyfriend who sold what's your fuck off?
Sold aeril Off. It's insinuated. Like one of the girls
says that that's what they heard, so it's not one
hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Well, but she pushes back against that. But at the
same time, it's like, by the time you've been an
undercover mother for years, well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
She is an undercover mother. It took her two years
to figure out the organization.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
So this is three years at least in the undercover
mother sphere, the space of undercover mothering mother dumb, I'm sorry,
undercover motherhood. But so when you're in that sphere for
long enough, you learn how to lie, right, your one
woman Intelligence Service is what you are. You're the fucking
CIA but for mothers, and you learn how to fucking lie. Man,

(01:12:45):
You lie as easily as you breathe, And so yeah,
I wouldn't be surprised if she's fucking lying about her
fucking scumbag ex boyfriend. I'm sure he did it fucking pastored.
We never meet him in either one, so that gives
us a composite score of a five point seventy five.
Let's do the old sort sheet ZTA A and see
where that ranks with the best of them. It's definitely

(01:13:06):
above average. We see a lot of good episodes in
this area. Other ones that have a five point seventy
five include the Jonathan Tucker George Siegel episode Abomination, which
was decidedly more problematic but also kind of ended up
with less fallout. But we also have the Michael Kay
Williams a IP Julito McCullum episode, which somehow we like

(01:13:30):
missed talking about fucking name and Bryce being in Underbelly.
That was Underbelly. No, we talked, but we didn't talk
about it when we had weebay on an episode Johnson. Yeah,
So anyways, that was an oversight on our part, so
I apologize to that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
But I mean, Hassan Johnson was still in an episode
with because he wasn't Michael Kay Williams in that episode too?
Was he in the no no, no, no no no,
it was yeah, there was another wire cast member though,
wasn't there?

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
There were something else that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Made it a brain melter was who was It doesn't matter,
We can figure that out later.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Anyways, we will do better next time when we have
the children of other characters in our brain melting and
multiverse will bring them up again. Anyways, Tramp stamp, stop
and frisk. That was Underbelly. That's one that I think
Elliott said some pretty problematic shit. Oh yeah, that one.
There was a tramp, damp, stop and frisk. So uh,

(01:14:24):
it's all there in the title, folks. Yeah. And then oh,
this is a good one. Surveillance, which was the Emily
dis Chanel Nate Mooney episode also was a five point
seventy five so oh in October Surprise that was fifteen six. Yeah,
we said that one was very good, so all right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
We just watched the episode right before though.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
That was the weirdest wonkponer I have ever heard of,
And that was the one where the October surprise was
is junk? Is that correct if I'm remembering correctly?

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Indeed?

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Yeah, excellent, But yeah, guys, this was a fun episode.
When I saw that the episode was named Undercover Mother
and that it was from a later season, not super late,
but later, I was like, ah, man, we're in for it.
This one's gonna be fucking dogshit, and it wasn't. It
was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. So

(01:15:13):
I guess it's time to spin the wheels and fire
up the next one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Indeed, we are heading over to episode dot LOL, which
was constructed for this podcast by friend of the pod Flett.
The tape is spinning. Bill and Ted are hurdling through
space time into another episode of SVU that they're going
to be forced to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
And we've got season fifteen episode three, which puts it
right after the two part season fifteen opener where Live
is being held captive and tortured by William Lewis. It's
described as as a series of rapes on the Upper
West Side puts the city on edge. A celebrity chef

(01:16:01):
fears she is the next victim when someone follows her home,
and then Detective Benson has a hard time overcoming her
traumatic ordeal. This one has Sybil Shepherd as the celebrity chef,
which is based on Paula Dean. If I'm not mistaken,
Jeffrey Tambor is playing an attorney. We've got Leslie Odom

(01:16:23):
Junior reprising Reverend Curtis Scott published Schreiber, which I believe
is happening in flashbacks. Okay, we've also got Sonya sown here,
so that's fun. Yeah, some more wire brain melting going on.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Yeah, absolutely. And Sybil Shepherd, I don't think of her
in my mind as a chef, so I'm interested to
see how she pulls it off. Yep, yeah, but yeah,
I think. And this is also, of course, this is
two episodes before Wonderland Story, which we just watched, which
does not have a title yet. It's actually pretty nice

(01:16:59):
for to have a bunch of episodes banked again. It
feels uh huh, feels like we're uh we can breathe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yeah, yep, yep, glad to have them banked. As always,
everyone should go out and right and review the podcast please.
You know, you can listen on good Pods, which is
a podcast phone app where you can rate individual episodes.
You know. We tend to periodically chart, Okay, there sometimes

(01:17:28):
like top ten for TV and film, so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
I need to get on that because I am not
especially satisfied with the Apple app. I just have been
using it because of inertia, because it's easier to just
keep using the thing that you are.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
I mean, everyone should rate us on Apple too, because
please yet Apple exactly. But yeah, listeners, please rate and
review the podcast. We don't ask much, just that you
can also follow us on all the socials, well most
of the socials. We don't have a Snapchat. We do
not have a TikTok.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
But for a while last week we didn't have anything
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Which was fine by me because I don't use the
other ones. But we're on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram as
munch My Benson.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
We are.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
You can email us if you have any questions munch
My Benson at gmail dot com. Oh, we've also got
a subreddit, Yeah, we do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
We have a subreddit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
All the episodes get posted there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
So reddit was still alive last week. Sure, good on them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Way to not be Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Whenever I lock myself out of my apartment, I blame
a you know, a vast conspiracy of hackers too, so
I'm sure that's what happened. So guys. Yeah, So in
the meantime, just keep on munching out there and we'll
see you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Yeah, munch everyone's Benson, please.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Well, just arrived to the Black escalect of the bishop.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
He's as crazy tim of Us called him by Ario,
but he's alone. Hmm, you like that, baby, I know
you do. Timmer.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Who are these trespassers? I don't know them. I'm with Tracy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
We're all friends here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
You're no friend of mine. Man, Shut up.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Hey, you never speak to a woman like that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
You're done.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
The game hasn't even started. You're back off.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Nose is over.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Who are you? I don't know you? You do.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Take it easy, mate, I don't know you either, super Fly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
That's it. This party is over.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Drop your gun for your sake, boy, I pray you
didn't invite your page the party.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Drop the gun.

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