85 - The Whole Second Half of This Episode Basically Is Stabler Can't Give Everyone a Ticket to the Gun Show (S12E13 Mask) - Munch My Benson: A Law & Order: SVU Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We have two quick orders of business to take care
of before we start the podcast this week. First, hunch
My Benson would like to extend our most sincere condolences
to Iced Tea, Coco and the family for the loss
of their glorious bulldog, King Maximus, who lost a year
long battle with cancer this past week. Adam and I
both hope y'all are faring as well as can be expected. Second,

(00:21):
I Josh would like to take a moment to apologize
for the remnant static in my audio channel on this
week's recording. No clue how it got there, but I
was recording somewhere for the first time and there was
massive static that needed to be filtered out. This was
as much as would come out without rendering what remained
truly hellish and horrifying. So I'm sorry. This is sadly

(00:43):
as good as this one could get. Now onto the show.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Euros run Amock, an autobiography of a sex addict.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I Am not going to hide. My whole life has
laid better in that book.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
George wam I've long admired your work.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Oh, and you read your editorial in the American Journal
of Psychiatry where you argue that sex edition should be
added to the DSM.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Five shrinks want to call sex addiction an illness like
depression or schizophrenia.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
It's a real disease, but it's going to get recognized
now thanks to doctor Jackson's efforts.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I hate to skip back on the little stroke fast,
but I've a registered catch.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
In New York City, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous.
These are their stories. Hey, guys, welcome to munch My Benson.
My name is Adam. Where I am in a very
cold New York City. I am joined on the line

(02:02):
by Josh, who's probably warm and cozy in the basement.
How's it going, Josh.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm not in the basement. I'm in Drew's house.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Oh weird, I didn't even notice. Yeah, look at that. Yeah,
how's how's the other side of Minnesota?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I'm technically in Wisconsin?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Oh right on?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, I forgot which side of the line he fell on.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Been down here about a over a week.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Nice. Yeah, he's recovering well, eating some cheeses, tasting the
local delicacies.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I had some cheese carts today, nice at lunch. So yeah, yep,
how are things in you say it's cold?

Speaker 4 (02:40):
Yeah? I mean it's like it's finally cold. It's whatever forties.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay, right now overnight lows of forties or like during
the days in the forties.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
High's have been like around fifty. Ok So it's been forties.
Tomorrow it's going to be low's going to dip into
the thirties, so it's gonna be a little bit colder.
Still haven't gotten a freeze yet. But we also didn't
have heat until I don't know, Tuesday or Wednesday of
this week.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, because you don't control that.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
You don't control the heat. And as it turns out,
it was supposed to have been on for like weeks
before this, and I'm fucking glad that it wasn't because.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, you would have baked.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
I can sort of turn some of them off, but yeah,
it's either all on or all off. It's very little
in between. So you know, we're adjusting to that life.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
We're recording this on November fourth, and you're going to
be hearing this, you know, add or around December sixth. Yeah,
so bear in mind that we're a month ahead of
our dropping episode dates.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
By the time you hear this will be even colder
most likely.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
So indeed, indeed.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah, working out the kinks with that weather change is
always something. Also, the kiddo was not feeling good today,
so I've been taking care of the poor little guy.
But yeah, so I guess both of us are to Oh, look,
Josh is looking good with as much my Ben's and
Koozy indeed.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
I'm trying to think what else I've been up to.
I watched some more only Murders in the building.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Did you finish it?

Speaker 4 (04:03):
We just watched episode five, so I think we have one.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
More, way more?

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Oh, we have way more. Great, It's like ten great. Great,
that's perfect. I'm up to date on succession. I'm trying
to think what else. I don't know. I've been watching
other ships because I have not started Curb yet. But
Curb's next in the pipe for me.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I'll just PLoP down and watching that.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
You know, I love it.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
I'll watch it during the day or something, you know,
but typically my days are taking up watching seventies ear
of sesame streets, so I gotta slot it in somewhere
in between those.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Sure, I just made a reference to a new Curb
way nice.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Well, I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
The plopping bit so by the time you hear this episode,
when we've dropped it, you will have seen it. Oh,
of course we'll appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
No, I know it's going to be good, which is
kind of why I just let it sit there and
then I'll enjoy it when it's time. Yeah, we did
watch some Halloween movies. We watched uh, let's see, we
watched well, Megan watched Vampire's Kiss without me while I
was editing a pod. Oh how mean, I know, so
I'd like here in the background, you know, I'm you know,
so that was upsetting. I did watch Buffy the Vampire

(05:04):
or Slayer the movie, which I hadn't seen in eons,
which is still a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Rp Luke Perry.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, well he's you know, his character's name is Pike
in that right. I totally forgot. I haven't seen it
in I had totally forgotten to it. We did see
Pike in my other friends too. We took the dog
and the kiddo downtown. They got to go experience the
East Village. The dog went on the ferry boat for
the first time, so that was an adventure. So I've
been living the dream man. But you know who hasn't

(05:32):
been living the dream for twenty something years, doctor, Sir
Captain Jackson, Josh.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
The weirdest name ever. What the fuck?

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Oh? I guess before we get there, should we talk
about what we're drinking?

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Sure, mine's exciting, actually really nice.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
I'm excited. Tell me let me know.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Well, I slammed Hams right before I came upstairs to
record one does according in Drew's office, And then I
opened up a Pliny the Elder.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Oh that's a fancy, fancy.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Beer, and it's a full, big ass bottle. Look at
how big this bottles.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
That's a big ass you're drinking it out of the bottle.
You're not pouring that into a glass.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I got the coozy.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Okay, don't you have to activate the yeast and shit?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I don't know how No, No, it's an ipa.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Oh it is? Okay?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Nice? Well that's exciting. I'm drinking the kind of beer
one would drink in Foulmouth twenty five years ago, as
one is prepared, is it? Yeah, I've drinking an arroganct.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, you're basically j from fuck my work life. Well,
I was always drinking a course.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
I drink all kinds of course. Life of beer is
when I'm not recording. But this works like for the
Nighttime record because it honestly has so little alcohol that
I can slam one of these and not be slurring
my speech by the end of the taping. So I'll
probably have at least one more.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Unlike when I do my two whiskeys on a long episode. Yeah, yeah,
that gets a little sloppy by the end.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Or if I had a dip in there, you know,
some sort of like eight point five percent beer, it
might be hard.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
And when I say two whiskeys, listener, I mean two
tumblers that are full of ice, but to the top
like this is. It's probably I'm taking down six or
seven shots over the course of the episode.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Would you say you were drunk enough to go skinny
dipping off up here in Cape Cod.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
With Jeremy Irons. Okay, so we've kind of talked a
fair amount already about Jeremy Irons, but this week we
are watching season twelve, episode thirteen, entitled.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Mask not the Mask. That's something different, and you will get.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
No, this is like the Rocky Dennis movie.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, although you know, honestly, there are kind
of elements of the Jim Carrey film in this right,
because one of them puts on a mask and has
these kind of devilish powers, but the other one also
has been wearing Well anyways, we can get to this
analogy much later after you've told everybody what happens in it.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah. Sure, so, two pervy tween brothers peep on a
bound rape in progress when the masked raper turns his
attention to a second female entering the apartment, whom he
promptly stomps to a pulp. The two women assaulted are
a lesbian couple who have been rushed to Mercy General,

(08:23):
one near death, the other preparing to cross an ethical
line and work on her partner. In the or Finn
recovers a pick from the kid's video enabled bynox, with
the masked assailant looking like a character straight out of
Buffy the Vampire Slayer that was written before we talked. Yeah,
the investigation goes down a genetically modified embryology read Herring

(08:44):
rabbit hole before that potential purp is cleared, and we
turned back to the hospital where Anne is continuing to
be tended to by surgeons, but Debi has taken a
break when in wanders Anne's estranged father, very famous actor
Jeremy Irons, who says all the right things to his

(09:05):
daughter's significant other, who he's never met. She then recounts
her assault, proffering that the raper said he wanted to
cleanse her of foulmouth, which means a whole hell of
a lot. To Cap Jackson, a psychiatrist specializing in sex
addiction who just so happens to be a sex addict
himself and whose family summered in falmouth, Man, foulmouth just

(09:28):
sounds gross.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Yeah, it sure does. It's lovely. I have falmouth notes later.
We'll get there cool.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Of course, Cap is a principal shrink who views the
privilege of the patient doctor relationship as sacracainct Huang suggests
that since they can't talk about doctor Jackson's patience, they
can at least talk about and as Cap Jackson details
the myriad ways in which he was a piece of shit,
they returned to the subject of falmouth, which sends him

(09:58):
running for the exit to quote check on his daughter.
Wang has figured out that the rapist was donning the
mask of a Hindu love god whose powers include spiritual
redemption through sex, which forces Elliot to ask the profoundly
disturbing question, did you rape your daughter during your summer
loving bender on the cape? His response is that he

(10:20):
can't remember, but that he thinks he probably did. At
the hospital, a mention of foalmouth sends a barely conscious
and into seizures, eventually necessitating a medically induced coma. Wong
puts out the serial rapist m to other police and
finds a pattern of short rape spreees in towns across
the Eastern Seaboard, each time finding women who'd already been

(10:42):
raped once to redeem with rapes of his own. Nearly immediately,
another victim pops up, a scrappy exotic dancer who cut
the rapist with her knife, interrupting him while in the
act of course. Her previous rape was revealed in CAP's
rehab group, which means the rapist is likely using it
to him pick his victims. Elliott bags knife, hoping her
handiwork will lead them to the rapist DNA. In the meantime,

(11:05):
with Cap Jackson at An's comatose side, and opening presents
itself for Elliott to go undercover at the rehab support
group to ferret out the rapist in his hunting ground.
Benson makes Cap recount the hazy images of him getting
tots in approach with his daughter that have just resurfaced,
but when Liv tries to get him to break the
Hippocratic oath, he asks her if she thinks no one

(11:28):
is beyond redemption and refuses yet again to break his principles.
Over in the Fuck Zone, Elliot's being regaled with the
patient's stories of their extreme sexual proclivities before the commencing
of broomwork supervised by his new big sib, Courtney is
met with a you're a cop. Right. Within hours, Elliot's
got his big sibs stealing his verbot and cell phone

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and trying to suck him off in the laundry room,
and when group reconvenes in the morning, cap Jackson's back.
Elliott tries to preserve his cover, but Jackson is not
pleased about the prospect of Stable using information obtained in
group to solve his case. Back at the precinct, Stabler
tells them he thinks their purp is a guy who
raped sixteen year olds because he knows the word nirvana.

(12:10):
Despite the mo of Ann's attacker and Clay's confessions and
group having little to do with one another. Then doctor
Jackson walks in, followed shortly thereafter by one of Ann's
childhood friends who was at the dock the night he
thought he raped his daughter. Only she tells them that
Cap fucked her, not his daughter, and that she'd been
Ann's first love, which broke her heart and that was

(12:31):
what sent her running from her father. Now that CAP's
just a skeezy letch, not his daughter's rapist, he's newly
motivated to find his daughter's attacker. In group, they can
coct a kink for Elliott to get the men to
break modesty code and reveal their forearms. It's a whole thing,
only none of them have a cut on their arms,

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leaving just the other male therapist as the purp, as
he would have been the only other man with the
information about Anne's imagined rape that Cap shared in group
the week prior. When they head to the women's group,
Elliott's big sib, Courtney, is nowhere to be seen. He
calls his phone that she snagged, and she answers, saying
that she's just waiting at an abandoned cop bar that

(13:12):
he told her to meet him at. In the note
that Brett, the other therapist left her posing as Stabler.
Stabler stops therapist Brett midrape getting into a scrap with
a shit bag before slapping the cuffs on him. Elliott
meets liv back at the hospital where Anna is still
in a coma. Doctor Jackson arrives to stand by his
daughter's bedside until she wakes up, and we get a

(13:33):
he's just gonna make her pass at her wife, right,
Dick Wolf.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Knowing what I know about doctor cap Jackson, I wouldn't
necessarily want him consoling my partner, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Nope, So I guess we jump into a guest stars Eh.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Well, you know, we have maybe the most famous guest
star that we've seen thus far on munch of My Benson.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah. I mean, unless we're talking, maybe fucking Andrew Carthy
was bigger, but not in terms of Rava Toosen reputation.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
I think Andrew McCarthy might have had a brighter peak
as far as like he was everywhere.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Think he was a bigger box office.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
At his sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
But Jeremy is not a grammy shy of an egot,
which is what Jeremy Irons is.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, Jeremy Irons has a tony an Emmy and a
fucking Oscar.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yes, and he was a villain in a die Hard movie,
you know.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Like, yeah, exactly, the most racist of the die Hard
villains and the only one that invoked Chester A Arthur.
As far as I can tell, he's a fucking legend.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
I'm glad that they don't try to make him change
his accent. Do you think now, what ever brings that up? Like,
sir Jeremy, can we do a you know, can we
do a Scottish.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Why the fuck would I do that?

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (14:47):
So.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Jeremy Irons was born in Cows on the Isle of
White Cows as a town, not a creature here in
this case. He started acting on the stage in the
UK and then doing British TV work through the seventies
before breaking out the international phenomenon Brideshead Revisited in nineteen
eighty one, which garnered him Emmy, Golden Globe and BAFTA nominations.
That same year, he starred opposite Meryl Streep and The

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French Lieutenants Woman, for which he was nominated for a
Bafta and for which Streep was nominated for an Oscar.
He then had a few high profile starring roles in
high profile films like Dead Ringers in The Mission, before
landing the part of Klaus Vumbulau in Reversal Fortune, for
which he won an Oscar. He went from there to

(15:31):
Soderbergh's Kafka, playing Kafka. He then had a villain turn
in Diehard with a Vengeance, before settling into his middle
aged letch period in Stealing Beauty and Lolita. At this
point he sort of settled into the elder statesman villain
roles that would predictably fall to a man with his
commanding voice. Those films include The Man in the Iron Mask,

(15:52):
The Time Machine, The Merchant of Venice, Casanova, Kingdom of Heaven,
Aragon Inland, Empire, Appalusa, Margin Call That Man v. Superman,
Justice League, and Red Sparrow. On TV, he won an
Emmy and a Golden Globe for a supporting role in
Elizabeth I, which starred Helen Miren. Then he starred as
a patriarch in The Borges and as Osamandias in HBO's

(16:14):
Watchman series, for which he was also Emmy nominated. He
won a Tony in his New York debut opposite Glenn
Close in the Real Thing that was back in like
nineteen eighty one, sorry, nineteen eighty three. I think at
the nineteen ninety one Tony's he was one of the
first few celebrities to wear the Red ribbon to support
the fight against AIDS, and was the first to wear
it on screen. His performance in The Real Thing also

(16:36):
garnered him a Grammy nomination for Best Booken Word Album,
but he did not win, so he's still that Grammy
shy of an egot. He's been married to Irish actress
Shanade Cusack since nineteen seventy eight, with whom he has
two sons. He was a big donor to the Labor
Party in the Tony Blair years, who he said in
two thousand and seven was the living person he most

(16:57):
admired quote for livings so publicly the knowledge that he's
not perfect, end to quote, that's for sure. Yeah, then
named George W. Bush as the living person he most despised.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
So there's not much daylight between those two, honestly.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
No, no, uh, you're really you're really splitting hairs to
go from worst to best. When you're there in that
spector mute, you must know of two people. He does
fundraising for the questionable alternative medicine lobby group, the College

(17:32):
of Medicine, which has ties to Prince Charles and Prince
Charles's previous alternative medicine lobby group that was super sketchy
and people were like arrested for fraud and shit. He
signed a petition to free Roman Polanski after his Swiss
arrest in two thousand and seven.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Also kind of problematic, not done with.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
A problematic because he put his foot in his mouth
in a huff Post interview in which he wondered whether
marital law might be debased by legalized of gay marriage,
as fathers might marry their sons to avoid estate taxes,
as incest laws might not apply to man. He then

(18:14):
spent like the next two years wishing that he'd never
fucking said anything about it, because it's like one of
those things where he sort of I get the sense,
I'm not in his head, obviously, but I get the
sense that this is one of those situations where like
some fucking old dude is idly wondering something aloud, but
is doing it on the record.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah, enormously wealthy famous people that are listening. You have
a publicist for a reason. Run shit like this by
them first before you open your mouth to the press.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Jesus also contact us about sponsoring the podcast.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Absolutely Jeremy, Well, sir Jeremy, I'm sorry. We'll do it
from your Irish castle.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Is he knighted? I don't know that he's knighted.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
How can he not be knighted? I don't know that
he is either. I just assume that he's knighted.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
He also reprises this role in Tote Him later in
season twelve. Yeah, okay, I'm looking up Jeremy Iron to
see if he's been knighted.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
So one thing IMDb, if you look it up, it
says he's doctor Captain Jackson, and he is not. He
is doctor cap Jackson, and in fact, at least in
the United States, I did not look in other militaries.
You would never refer to a doctor in the military
as doctor. You refer to them as their rank. So
typically doctors start as lieutenants, but most of them become

(19:21):
captains I think for lieut tenants. In his case, yeah,
I think he'd be a leet tenant, but I don't
know if he'd be a left tenant in the United
States military. I know for us it was a little late,
but the Lion King did shape an entire generation of
children's childhoods, and he was the voice of scar in that.
So he's an iconic villain for millennials.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Whenever I see like a Disney title ist, just like
a whatever, I don't care. I don't believe he's been knighted. Okay,
I'm almost positive it would say on his Wikipedia page
if he had.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
I would think so, yeah, I would think so. Oh,
you know what, it's probably because he's a labor guy.
You know, he probably has like the the Royals probably
have a beef with him.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Maybe he can be because he's from the Isle of White.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yeah, they don't count. They're like sub minx, right, isn't
that how that works?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
And it could be I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
The ranking of British islanders.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Well, it says Isle of White as a county on
the largest and second most populous island of England.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Are they county in England as an island or not?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
No?

Speaker 4 (20:22):
No, okay, just checking because last I checked him as
an island.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Anyways, I agree, but England doesn't the island in and
of itself. Great Britain is you know, Jeremy irons. He
has a gravity.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yeah, you know he took this role seriously. He's pretty
fucking good in it, honestly.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah. I mean it's a fucking creep fast pot.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
He brings it man.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, I suppose he. He was like, well, yeah, I'll
do this because ultimately I didn't rate my daughter Jesus Christ.
Moving on, we've got to unpack Melissa Sage Miller. Now,
who's playing Ada? Jillian Hardwick?

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Yeah, is this our first Hardwick episode?

Speaker 2 (21:05):
It is? Yeah, it's our first Hardwork episode.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
It's weird to me that she was an Ada for
a few episodes ten.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I believe ten episodes season. She was only a recurring character.
She was never added to the credits. She was born
in DC to a political activist mother who had been
Jimmy Carter's campaign finance manager, and to former Giants and
Washington football team running back Charlie Evans. She went to
Georgetown Day School and began acting locally at nine, before

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being scouted by Eileen Ford of Ford Models at a
jewelry shop at fourteen and taking to modeling. Living in
New York and Paris. She left modeling to get a
degree in English at University of Virginia. Then she went
and studied acting at Stella Adler's Conservatory, at NYU Stone
Street Studio, and at Michael Howard Studios. After making her

(21:54):
debut in a season one episode of SVU, she started
landing film roles in the early aughts, starring in Get
Over It and Sorority Boys, and playing the lead in
the thriller Soul Survivors. She was then a series regular
in Sleeper Cell before showing up in the Guardian and
Mister Woodcock. Then she landed another series regular role in

(22:15):
two seasons of the Steven Bochco legal cable drama Raising
the Bar. When that was canceled, she landed in the
Rockford Files pilot as Beth Davenport. That wasn't picked up.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Yeah, I did not know that this existed. Dermott mulrooney
as Rockford and.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
They've tried doing it because I know they've talked about
doing another Rockford Files pilot in the last two years too,
but that wasn't picked up. And then she landed here
in ten episodes of SVU during the Ada musical Chairs
game happening towards the end of the Neil Bear run
through when Barba locks It Down. She looks to have
stopped acting. In twenty fourteen, while shooting Get Over It

(22:51):
for first film to be released, It's the second film
she was in, Harvey Weinstein pushed her to meet him
in his hotel room to go over script changes, where
after she declined to massage him, he implied that Charlie's
theren and Renee Zelwiger kissed him and that she would
too if she wanted to further her career. All this
happening while he blocked her from leaving his room. Of course,

(23:12):
as is his mo, he was only wearing a bathrobe.
She reluctantly and begrudgingly kissed him to escape. Then, after
the rat party on the film, Weinstein said she'd be
traveling with him on his plane, despite telling her agent
not to let her be put on another flight. They'd

(23:33):
kidnapped her bags and Weinstein's assistant forced her onto his
plane us Thankfully, this was just a power trip where
he was showing she couldn't say no to him, and
Shane West and Cisco were also on the plane. She
was advised that she would be best served by staying quiet,
and so she didn't reveal any of this until after
the Harvey Weinstein reckoning a couple of years ago.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Jesus, fuck that guy.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, moving down the line, we've got aj Cook who's
playing Debbie Shields. She was born in Oshawa, Ontario, grew
up mostly in Whitby, and went to Anderson Collegiate Vocational Institute.
There After a few smaller roles, she landed apart as
one of the suicidal Lisbon sisters in The Virgin Suicides

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and then a starring role in the TV series Higher
Ground opposite Hayden Christensen. She went next to be main
cast and True Calling, and then landed in Criminal Minds,
in which she's appeared in three hundred and two episodes.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Our second Criminal Minder.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
She basically got written out of the show in season
six for budgetary reasons, and then got written back in
the next year, so she's appeared in the third most
episodes of anyone because she missed one year because they
were being Chinsey.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, the scrawny guy and probably what's her name is,
Matthew Gray Goobler Brewster probably right?

Speaker 2 (24:51):
No, Patrick Brewster left? Oh really, she was in like
two hundred episodes, not three h two. I'm fucking shocked.
I honestly have never seen Criminal mind and have no
like it's one of those like this person's been in
three hundred episodes or something, and I have no fucking
idea who they are.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
I think I've seen every Mandy patinkin Criminal Minds, and
then it's like, how on fucking earth did it just
get canceled in twenty twenty. Yeah, blows my mind because
Patinka was on it for maybe two years.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
There were three hundred and twenty three episodes of that show.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
She also appeared in the film's Out Cold, I'm Read
Fish and Final Destination too.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Oh you know the nerdy chick who does their it.
She's been at the whole run.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah. I don't know what her name is either.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Next up, we've got Lindsay Kraft, who's playing Courtney. Yeah,
Elliott's big sib. She grew up on Long Island, where
she began her career as a model. At the University
of Maryland, she made the move to acting. She's also
done playwriting. This is her second appearance on SVU, and
she was also in an episode of Try By Jury.
She was in multiple episodes of Third Watch, Southland, The

(25:59):
Mob Doctor, Backwash, ncis the Ranch, Dirty John Y, Women
Kill and Them. She's been main cast and living biblically,
and she's a recurring character on Grayson Frankie and also
getting on. She's appeared in the film's epic movie The
Baby Maker's Nostalgia, A Futile and Stupid Gesture, and See

(26:21):
You in September, which was directed by Tamar Tunis. So
o'halleran's directed a movie, and so is Tammer Tuoney.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
Have you seen either of them?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I have not, but we could probably do episodes for
I don't know, Patreon or something. Yeah, just talking about
SVU Splintered.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yeah, and See You in September stars David Eigenberg.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, another reason, more reason yet? Yeah, all right. Next up,
we've got Jeffrey Canter who's playing Victor. His dad was
an Air Force captain and flight surgeon, so presumably he
was called captain not doctor. Yeah, maybe it's called captain
doctor cantor Captain doctor Canter. He graduated Magna kum Laudi

(27:03):
from Amherst with a theater degree and then attended the
National Theater Institute parenthetically called Eugene O'Neil Theater Center in Connecticut.
On his what is IMDb bio? I think? And he
then continued as training at the Royal Central School of
Speech and Drama in London. This is his second of
three Svus is also in one Trial by Jury, four

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episodes in the original series, and four episodes of Criminal Intent.
He's been main cast in Kill Point and Carl Manhair
Postal Inspector. He's had recurring roles in Deception, The Blacklist, Feed,
The Beast, Daredevil, and The Punisher as the same character,
the live action tech Maniac, The Resident, and Foundation. And

(27:48):
I have no idea how many episodes of Foundation he's
in because it's still airing. As we're recording, we started
that Holy shit, isn't boring?

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Really?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
It looks good, but it's boring as fuck.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
It's the Blade Runner twenty forty nine of TV shows,
maybe even more boring.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Wow, actually absolutely more boring Blade Runner, Blade Runner. I
don't like to sit there wondering what I've done with
my life while watching it.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
That's a good endorsement.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, Next up Jeremy Bob who's playing Donnie Greenway. He's
from Central Ohio and went to Otterurbne College in Westerville,
Ohio for acting. He's in two other svus and two
episodes of the original series. He's been main cast in
The Nick Mosaic, Escape at Dana Mora, Jessica Jones, Godless,

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and The Outsider, and had recurring roles in Hostages, House
of Cards, Manhunt, Unibomber, Russian Doll, and The Sun. He's
also appeared in the film South of Heaven, The Drop,
Marshall Under the Silver Lake, and The Wolf of Wall Street.
Got two left Karen Ludwig, who is playing tri State
Reproductive Institute manager. We talked about her back in munch

(28:58):
More Vents in episode sixty eight Close Enough to See
Dick Mole, which we were talking about undercover, and in
that episode she was a different character. So we've got
ourselves a brain melter. Took us a while to get there,
but finally, lastly, we've got Maryette Hartley, who's playing a
Lorna Scari. We talked about her back in munch of
min It's in episode thirty nine we're looking at this

(29:20):
sandwich handling through pandemic eyes, where we talked about choice
and in which she was Josie Bissett lawyer.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Well I got one other, Gabriel Rush who played one
of the kids at the very beginning. He is a
couple of films that he's been in. He's been in
both The Moonrise Kingdom and Grand Budapest Hotel, so he's
done a little bit so far.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Do you have to scroll down in those cast lists
to get to them?

Speaker 4 (29:42):
You know, I honestly didn't scroll down them at all.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
He's also that's where I draw the line. If they're
like number sixty on the call She, I usually just
skip it.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
He was also Young Chuck in Better Call Saul, so
he has at least been in some interesting stuff. So
I just thrown it out there. And you know, I
love paper kids in cold open.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
So so we've got those PERV kids.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Not our first team peepers, and also not our first
binocular camera combos, so it's really it's really a nice callback.
Of course, we had teen peepers and booked indeed, and
we had binocular cameras in that big Scottish one. I always
forget the name of that fucking episode. Oh, Glasgowmen's Rath,
Glasgomen's Wrath, thank you. The Burder had those cameras when

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she found the lumbering shape of the Glasgowmen perf.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Kids getting the peep is kind of the best s
for you open right.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
It's a great way for them to introduce like a
crime in progress without us actually being in on the
crime in progress, right, or just to find a body,
which we've seen also. But I was really impressed by
the direction here, like sticking with the rear window theme.
I was actually kind of pissed that they went out
of their way to mention that they were doing a

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nod to rear window. When Finn drags those kids in.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
This is like the rear window version of kids trying
to watch scrambled Spice.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
Yeah, exactly, that's exactly, which as a reference that only
yeah that that people our age get.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Basically, Spice was a porn channel that back in the
days of like coaxial cable cable with a cable box,
if you paid for the extra package, you could get Spice,
which was soft core porn but full like softcore porn
the whole time. And if you didn't pay for that package,
you could try to make out tits and ass.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
You could you could see this.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Through the squiggly through the squiggly lines, you could definitely
hear what was going on. Yeah, yeah, as boys our
age did.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
This is a very specific Eccennial reference because because you know,
like if we were I don't know, three years younger,
we just would have had the Internet and everything that
meant when we needed that, but we.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Didn't, And so the closest you could get to porn
mainlined into your house was spice.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Yeah, to that, but still it's like you got action
in two different rooms. You've got the binoculars going back
and forth. I'm picturing Jimmy Stewart during his Jimmy Stewart routine,
you know, with his entirely two attractive girlfriend coming in
and checking on him.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, because that all makes sense. I know, totally, Jeff
could totally land Grace Kelly.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
You know, fucking princess Grace is not like dealing with
that fucking shlub.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
And she's not bending over backwards to try to win
him because he's so reluctant about like even deigning to
be involved with her.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Like fuugh, dude.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
That is the most ludicrous casting. And then the suspension
of disbelief that you have to go through whatever. I mean,
I love that movie, but yeah, ludicrous.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah, Grace Kelly is outrageously attractive. And Jimmy Stewart in
that movie is a fucking slub man.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah. I mean I think we've talked about this before,
but apparently he has one hell of a hog.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
This came up the other day, like this was one
of the first things that people shared on the Internet
was that Jimmy Stewart was, you know, like a racehorse.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, I'm like Milton Burle back to these kids. These
kids apparently think zombies are real but don't know that
masks are a thing.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
I think that means we have to mourn for Max's
educational outlook, because the New York school systems has failed
these two children.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
I don't know, man, those were some fancy cameras. I
think those were private school kids, man, and they were
like being taught by some kind of you know, weird
religious cult, like the Hungarian Catholic church down the block
from me. Honestly, I love those kids. I thought those
kids were a breath of fresh air. I love their
aviv I love the lengths that they are willing to go.
How many windows did they have to look in? You know,

(33:44):
I can see a hundred windows right now. How many
windows did they look at before they found a lady
tied up about to be brutalized.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
A horny thirteen year old has pervdar. They can just
sense it.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
So that IVF clinic, it is less than one minute
from my house.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
It is closer to the front door of my building
than the front door of my building is to my door,
if that makes sense. So it takes larger to go
down the stairs than it does to walk to that.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
It's not an you count the steps.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
I should. I should have gone out there and counted them.
It is not an IVF clinic, obviously. No, it is
a Dwayne Reid, of course it is. Yeah, so you know,
if I need to get I don't know what did
I buy their most recently? Contact solution and baby shampoo
were the things I bought most recently. Oh and they
had a good deal in Lacroix, so I got some
La Crois.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
What flavor, Well, they've.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Changed the names on them, so I got lime lime,
and I got palm pompl moose because they have six packs,
so I got two six packs.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
So back to the IVF clinic. Doctor Debbie, I can't
remember her characters.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Last Doctor de Wie Shields. They refer to her repeatedly
as doctor DeBie Shield.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I haven't watched this episode in like three days ago,
but she's all into gene manipulated embryology, which, yes, what
I gathers a thing.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
My understanding is that she was one of those nameless
doctors and that kind of intro. I can't remember if
it's a the intro or later on when he learns
more about it. But in Twins, she's one of the
doctors that created Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, that's
basically what it is.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
But it's two moms eggs one dude sperm to get
like the concept of this is to get one embryo, though,
but this is like two girls, one cup, right it is,
But it's not like six sperms one egg to make
the perfect man and his pathetic loser. Now it's two
eggs apparently to hand pick. I guess what qualities you're eliminating.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
So interesting little business side of Hollywood tidbit that I
learned from this random dive that I went down trying
to find the names of the doctors and Twins was
that no studio would pay Arnold Schwarzenegger to be in
that film because they thought that it was a bad
idea and it was going to be a losing deal.
So he actually four went oh yeah, salary to perform
in it. And as it turns out, so did Ivan

(36:08):
Wrightman and Danny DeVito. Danny DeVito, they all took significant
points on the huge points. Yeah, they took way bigger
points than normal.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
This wasn't like studio bullshit points where you know they're
gonna screw you. I believe that this is the most
money that Arnold Schwarzenegger made on a movie.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
He said it was the best business decision of his career.
Was that the movie ended up like grossing over two
hundred million dollars just domestically. I mean, I'm sorry, netting
over two hundred million dollars domestically not grossing. They made
a shitload of money on that, and good for them.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
It was a huge hit.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Yeah, it's a fun movie.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
This bugfucker is a real jem. God hates Franken babies.
People like you should be stomped out like bugs.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
They should be stomped out.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Proud of what you wrote on I signed it didn't
I I'm doing God's work.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Then clues committing a civil disobedience outside out of bors
and clinic.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
What do you want someone exterminate the Franken bitch or
don't burst into tears? Well, God makes you pregnant, stay pregnant.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Well God makes you barren, stay barren. Guy gives you
a uterus, Maybe we'll listen to you some.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I'm surprised there weren't any Franken hookers in this episode, Josh.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
It's a real disappointment.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
But who fucking keeps a jar of bedbugs and shakes
it at people?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah? This guy is. He's really something. I liked Elliott
the staunch Catholic telling him that when he's got a
uterus to listen to his sermon.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
I mean, yeah, what a piece of shit that guy is.
But they're around. I feel like there are a lot
of them in my neighborhood. There's a Trump flag in
my neighborhood, and I live close enough to the mayor's
house that the anti vax protesters show up there, so
I assume that there's more of them than there probably are.
But that guy's around.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Now, should post rape Debbie really be in the o
R with her significant other on the table, like obviously,
I don't think she's doing the surgery. But she's in
there helping.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
But for one thing, if she really wants to help,
she should be doing the rape kit so that they
can actually have some physical evidence to go on. Yeah,
not scrubbing in because she's a fucking obigin. She's not
a trauma surgeon. Let the fucking trauma surgeons fix your
fucking wife. Girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Just utter nonsense.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
You're just like taking up oxygen and standing there. They
probably would let her stand there, but still it's done.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, but like it's a bad ethical move and she's
impeding the investigation into her raine.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Yeah, exactly, do your fucking part and help out and
then go get your shoulder creepily rubbed by doctor Captain.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Jeremy Irons then shows up, and you said it before,
but he is incredibly famous. He is like the whole
the camera is addicted to Jeremy Irons. H huh. It's
really something. But yeah, so cure me of felba.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Did he say anything?

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Just that he would cure me falmouth.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
He would cure you of a foul mouth. No, cure
me of falmouth, whatever that means.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Josh, I've spent some time in Falmouth, Massachusetts. In fact,
I've been to my only Cape Cod League baseball game
in Falmouth. I saw the Falmouth Commodorees play. I don't
remember there.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Now were Freddy Brinn's junior or Matthew Lillard playing?

Speaker 4 (39:25):
You know, I probably didn't see them when they were
on the team. I might have seen shit who.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I don't think they were officially on a team. They
were in Summer Catch Nice, which is the baseball movie
about the Cape Cod League with Jessica bial Also.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
I might have seen Darren ayerstat because it's possible I
was there in nineteen ninety four. That's about the time
I would have been there.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, when he was at Nebraska.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Yeah, and I don't know who they played. They might
have played the Contuit kit Leers. That sounds somewhat familiar
to me. It could have also been the Highness Harbor
Hawks that also sounds somewhat familiar to me. But yeah,
I highly recommend Cape Cod League for anybody who has
the means to get to Cape Cod. It is basically
one step below high school baseball as far as the

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facilities go.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Oh yeah, I was gonna say, but not by that.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Not in the playing, No, the play is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
For those who don't understand what the Cape Cod League is,
it's a wood back college summer league where they basically
pull the best college players in the country up to
play a thing that is going to put them on
the map for the next year's draft.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah, and I saw a guy pitch who was a
I never know if you want to call him a
submariner or sub mariner. I guess probably if you're in
a submarine and you're a sub mariner, but if you're
throwing the baseball.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
To submit, I think it a submariner.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Yeah, which is a kind of interesting way to think
about it. But I saw a submariner who was real
fucking good, and his shit looked nasty, and I mean
he was like throwing, you know, like a inch off
the ground kind of thing. So that's the kind of
guy who becomes a Major league baseball relief pitcher. My
dad had some work thing in woods Hall, so we
spent some amount of time there. It felt like like
a couple of weeks. It's a wonderful place, you know.

(40:58):
It did like a fucking clam bake on the beach
where you make a big fire, then you dig a
hole in the beach. You put the hot rocks from
the fire lining the pit, and then you throw the
bags of the lobsters and the potatoes and shit in there,
and then you cover it with sand again, and that
cooks it. It's one of the only fully native cooking
methods still in use.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Don't you feel like they missed a real opportunity when
they decided it was pronounced Hyannis and not high Aenus.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
I mean, they got going that way a lot of
these fucking places out there, Like there's a town that's
not it's not officially on the cape, but it's right
next to the cape. It's pronounced situate. And I know
that because I'm from the area. But I'm telling you
that a non native Eastern Massachuttin would have no fucking

(41:47):
clue on how to pronounce that word. Sure, and then
like foulmouth, I mean, it's foul mouth, It's how it
should be pronounced.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
It's obviously named after I'm sure there's a foul mouth
in the UK, and so I'm sure it's named after them.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Probably is there a Hyaenus in the UK?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I suspect that that's probably a named after some Native American.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Thing oh, situate probably is.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Now Doctor Jackson really can't deal with a repressed memory
of whatever the fuck he did in Falmouth.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Gotta say it. Another fairly significant hit piece on the
psychiatry community, this one.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Oh definitely have that note. Yeah, okay, So he hears
that the rapist had previously attacked a handful of women
in Richmond, Virginia. Jackson later puts together that Brett had
been raping the women because of where he'd previously worked.

(42:45):
Doesn't it seem like Richmond would ring the bell right
away and that Brett should be fingered around minute nine.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
So there's a few things. For one thing, he could
have mentioned Britt without violating doctor patient.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Prog Absolutely, that's my whole contention here.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
If it was, then it wouldn't have violated anything, And
in fact I did some diving on. The states have
different rules about doctor patient privilege, Josh, and New York
State has some of the strictest. In fact, so only
the patient can wave doctor patient privilege in New York,
whereas in other states, if the person is deemed to
be a physical threat to themselves or others, then the
doctor can wave it. But no, Brett wouldn't be covered

(43:20):
by that shit. He's a fucking piece of shit. Also,
the first time we see Brett, when Elliott walks in.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
That room, it's evident it's him.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Like I remember this episode obviously, I remember the mask,
I remember Jeremy Irons, but I didn't remember all the details.
But I saw that guy and I was like, Oh,
it's that fucking guy. It was that fucking guy.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, one look at him. It's like, Nope, that guy.
And they don't have him. He barely has any lines,
and you still the entire time you're like, now that
that fucking tool bag he's the one. He did it.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
I mean it's impressive casting plus acting because it's a
convincing rape performance with almost no lines, like two lines
and almost none of them refer to the rape at all.
Good work.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, I mean it's because he uses raper.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I love the doc. Sorry, I love the cap. Jackson
is trying to get sex addiction added to the DSM
five so he can get his problems codified.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Well, there were newspaper articles around twenty eleven about this
and there should it be at it? Should it not
be added? I looked at them. I don't remember if
it was or not.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I tried to dive into like three different things, and
I was just like whatever. Like I tried to dive
into gene manipulated embryology, and it was like, no.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
I'd like dip my toes a little bit into these,
much as a Jackson's naked friend on that doc dipped
her toes into the Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Into the waters of Jeremy Irons.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
The cool but not actually that cold waters of So
it would have been nineteen ninety this is what I
went deep into. Josh.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Of course you reverse engineered what year this happened.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Well, so so this aired in ninete in twenty eleven, sorry,
and so twenty years before this would have been nineteen
ninety one. So I looked up the water temperature in
woods Hole in nineteen ninety one to see if it
would have been comfortable because skin, and it was. It
actually was. It was a recently like typical like summer

(45:18):
water temperatures are kind of you know, they're like low seventies. Yeah,
like sixty eight to maybe seventy degrees. It was late
July nineteen ninety one. It was seventy four degrees, So
it would have been chilly to be in there for
very long, but especially at night, especially at night, and
probably have a breeze coming either off the shore or
the ocean, so either one of those is going to

(45:39):
be a little chilly. Still, it is doable. I've gone
swimming in Maine in the middle of summer when the
water was fifty five degrees and thatch, Yeah, fuck that man,
fuck that. Fuck that hard. I've tried to do that
in the Northwest too, when it's even colder.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Nope, oh yeah, I mean Lake Superior. I feel like
it never gets over like sixty two degrees. It's fucking miserable.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
I love to Elliott's line. I hate to skip out
on the little stroke fest, but I have a rapist
to catch just I mean, just a straight up joke,
laugh line. You know, like nothing about just nah. You
guys keep jerking each other off over here talking about
how sex addiction. I mean, I actually think sex addiction

(46:20):
is serious, but he doesn't, and it's funny to have
him dismiss it so coarsely.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Josh, do you know what I would love I would
love to have a loop tape of Jeremy ironsane sexual
just just going for weeks on end, just him saying of.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Course you sugg justice on a week that I'm doing
the edit.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
I mean, he said sexual a lot, and like it'd
be hard I think for your average normal person to
listen to him say sexual.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
You mean hard, like as arousing? Right, No, it's worse than.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
In the group meeting of.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Oh god, I've got so much to say about that.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
Let's keep moving.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, Well, wants to plumb the depths of the Jackson
family father daughter dynamic. He thought he'd die if he
didn't get his fuck on. He fucked everything that moved,
including my favorite bit was when he fucked the sixty
year old waitress and a diner toilet. All of this
whilst smashed, so he's compulsively smashed smashing, which is fantastic.

(47:33):
And then his wife jumped off the GW Bridge. And
the one thing I sort of looked into was hot
spots for suicides.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
That's like the classes as well.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Yeah, the biggest is a Golden Gate bridge obviously.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
But in New York I'm sorry, New York.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, in New York, the George Washington Bridge
that connects Jersey to New York City. It's averaged around
ten suicides per year and had a record eighteen suicides
in twenty twelve.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
It's a very tall bridge, so you're gonna be going
pretty fast by the time you hit bottom.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Now, there's also George Washington Memorial Bridge in Seattle has
had more than two hundred and thirty suicide since nineteen
thirty two. So I think the moral of the story is,
don't name your bridge George Washington if you don't want
people to jump off of.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
It's the George Washington Memorial Bridge.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
It's Aurora Bridge. It's a can't believer in trust bridge
in Seattle.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
I know which one that is. That's a cool Bridgeman
because it's really fucking high.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
It takes State Route ninety nine over the west end
of Seattle's like Union, Yeah, connecting Queen Anne to Freeman.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Yeah, that's the one that has the troll underneath it.
I believe. I'm not one hundred percent sure about the troll,
but I know which bridge that is from looking at
it's a cool bridge.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Do you have to pay the troll toll to get
into the boys hole?

Speaker 4 (48:44):
It's a well known troll. Okay, it's like a Seattle
thing to do, Okay, But and yeah, you do have
to pay a toll and it's to have your little
bullhole fingered by the in narly troll.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I feel like you're saying boys hole and it's clearly
and I know Artemasi did write soul, right, so it's
boys soul girl. Pacho told is boys see right there,
it sounds like whole, Like if you drag that.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Are you doing gum?

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Give me the gum. I loved Lorna Scarry's performance in
I Forget the actress's name, you said.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Her Marriette Hartley. She won an Emmy, I believe for
a guest spot on The Rockford Files, really or actually
I think if I remember correctly, I think she was
nominated for Rockford and then one for an episode of
The Incredible Haul.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Nice. But in that scene where she comes in with
doctor Cap, she has some just great facial reactions to things.
It's too bad we can't add some video clips because
she didn't really say much, but she had some big,
wide eyed moments that I thought were really fun and
I like to see that now. I have some notes
about the comma Davia Josh.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Good because I went to like five different websites and
was like, I'm not getting the fucking information to confirm
that one of the powers was spiritual redemption through sex.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
See, that is something I definitely was not able to find.
It seemed to me like the Commadeva's general role it
is the god of love, and it is like a
sensual sexual love. It seems like he's kind of a
rad dude, as it.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Would be in a Hindu Yeah, like yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Yeah, I mean, but it seems like he's kind of
a cool dude. Now, He's typically not portrayed as having
like a demonic visage. The way that mask is. Every
depiction of him is like a normal looking guy who
is an arch.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
He shoots flowers. It's arrows tipped with flowers exactly.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
Who's sitting on a parrot? The parrot is like it
helps him win the ladies. Man, now he did, So
this is a big parrot. It's a big ass parrot
or a very small man. Either way, he seems like
a pretty cool dude. Honestly, I didn't go that deep,
but for what I can tell, he's not some sort
of like raping monster who has to like cleanse the

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world of women who once had sex, which is I
think the motivation here. It's a little like weird what
this guy's motivation is.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I mean, the issue here is that we know fuck
all about handw gods and specifically Hindu love gods. Yeah,
you and I don't, So like we look shit up
and then it's like, I'm not finding the thing that
supports what Brett's belief system is based upon.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
I'm gonna be honest with you. I looked this up
about a half an hour ago, and so I was like, Okay,
don't I look.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
I looked for like two hours trying to figure out
what the fuck's going on here, and I couldn't find anything.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
So it just doesn't seem like this is in character
of that god.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I mean, it's entirely possible that one of the writers
on staff in season twelve was an Indo Chinese mythology
major ex something. They would know this, but from what
I can find, this isn't supporting.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
They hired the whole consulting team from Indiana Jones in
the Temple of Doom or something to write this.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Denham Elliott was there, John Reese was there.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
I'm going to need to re up my narrak Anseid,
so I will be right back.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Did you rape your daughter? Did you wrap your daughter
back and found did you wrap your own daughter?

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Did you wrap your own.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I think I.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Think I did?

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Oh god, so obviously did you rape your own daughter?
Seen in the elevator?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Is it's something, It's.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Really something we always like to fluff up doctor Wong
and talk about what a great therapist he is and
how insightful and smarties. I feel like it's not necessarily
the best way to reach a I guess you call
him a patient in this case, right to reach somebody
who is afflicted with these repressed memories press memories by
shouting at him in an elevator until he collapses in

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a pool of his own.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Did you fuck your daughter? But a lot of fun
Can we talk about Ann Sees acting because it was
super funny to me as she's seizing out in the
bed like after because obviously falmouth equals coma. She's seizing
out like uh. It's kind of like Matt Berry's O

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face in the It Crowd in his first episode where
they've rigged up the cell phone to have like that
massive vibrating then like when Roy was in church at
the funeral, he thought he was having a heart attack
because of how violently it was vibrating, and then he's like, oh,
it's just my cell phone that Moss is rigged up.
But it's like Matt Barry's oh face in the It crownd.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Moss rigged up Elliott's cell phone later on because when
it vibrates, it vibrates up really loud. Yeah, so I
just an aside. I don't remember exactly where this came in.
But what do you think the sex addict scene in
Utica is like? Because I'm thinking it's pretty fucking rough man.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
There's a lot of math involved. I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
I mean, like sure, Richmond, Philadelphia, you know there's.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Utica is actually like furry Central.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Really so interesting.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Now I'm making that up, but saying it it makes sense.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Right, Oh, what's your Your boy was delivering pizzas in Utica? Right?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
It was Utica?

Speaker 4 (54:07):
Yeah, it was Utica. Yeah, So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Well, Michael Chernis, that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Carriese's sister is fiance.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
And parole violations, which we covered back in episode sixty four.
Looks like he came straight from his job as future
cop at the Bondage Club. So Elliott doesn't want to
believe that sex addiction is real.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Classic Elliott move.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Wong slowly rolls out the case for the religious skeptic.
Then we get this whole dancer scene and she's fantastic.
Holly Demeyo, the one who was the exotic dancer.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Oh yeah, she's awesome. Yeah, she brings it.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Honestly, she might give the best performance in this episode.
She's really good. When she says, I wish I'd slit
his throat, I wish she had to.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Yeah, I believed it.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Especially because Brett's such a tool.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
You can tell right away, instantly, instantly.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Okay, we're later able to draw the line between her
rape v her professor and the group, but I don't
see how they can at this moment. But this is
like the jumping off police for Elliott.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Just I'm going undercover.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
No, I'm off the clock, Guys, I'm going under cover
when there's or not off the clock. But he's going
off the grid.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
When there is a notable British star who oozes gravitas.
We know the second half of the episode is gonna
be Elliott undercover. At some point this has happened. This
is a theme. Yeah, the first half is notable British
star acts the fuck out of it and the second
half Elliott goes undercover.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Benson had the moment with Branda Blevin though, what's the
maybe it's British male actor. It's a British male Maybe
it's a gender separated ye.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
Sure, yeah, No, it's it's the Elliot dynamic with the
British male actor. Next time we see a notable British woman.
When we see I don't know who's going to be
in here, Dame Judy dench Angela Lansbury or something's going
to be in here. We're gonna see Benson like crying
in a pool, right, wasn't she like laying on the
floor crying or something at some point in that Brenda

(55:56):
blood In episode, Why was she sitting on the floor? No,
that before they got to bled In, I forgot there
was the the cleodu val kind of It wasn't really
a red herring because she got murdered by her husband.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
She murdered, not a red herring, just a scrape flip,
just like well, this story played itself out in twenty minutes. Now,
welcome to this fucking thirty year old cold case. The
modesty code is super funny to me, and the whole
second half of this episode is basically Stabler can't give
everyone a ticket to the gun show.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Well, the one thing I did kind of I wouldn't
say a deep dive, but I did do a dive
into paraphilia's.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Oh nice, nice, okay, because I.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Was looking specifically for that one fore arms was unable
to find the fore arms fetish, and I was also
unable to find a specific God damn it.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Hold on a second, Oh are you talking about risk jobs?

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Well, being cut?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Well, right, what's this? Fuck Donnie Greenway.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Donny Greenway exactly. So being cut is a is different
than cutting other people, and so that it's probably a
subset of algolagnia, which is sexual pleasure from pain. So I imagine,
is it such a ball stomping or yeah, exactly, but
there's a specific.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Called I know all about ball stomping.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
What's ah, where is it? Pikism is the sexual fetish
of cutting somebody else.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
So that is not peak, not not of fucking a Pikachu.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
No, not a fucking a Pikachu. And one that I'm
really disappointed I didn't look up, Josh, is that there
is actually a fucking noted fetish of sexual attraction to amputees.
It's called acro tomophilia acrotomin.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Sure, I mean strange beauty.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Come on, I know, but we didn't look that up.
Josh and I feel bad about it. I just feel like.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
We're I don't feel that bad about it. I feel
like we're like, I mean, just because we didn't give
them the official name of what we clearly talked about
for almost an entire episode.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
But yeah, so I'm going to bookmark this page because
there's a lot of them. We'll be coming back to these,
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Oh sure.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
So that one guy, the guy who they all think
it is for, I don't know, ten to fifteen minutes. Yeah, Clay,
he's just like Woodson from Dayson, confused.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Only charm, Yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
But I mean I see that guy him, like, oh yeah,
that guy's a statutory raper. That guy's like sleeping with
women half his age and they're not yeah, of age,
not like Jeremy Irons is sleeping with women half his age.
He's doing it in a European way.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
He's also, I mean, he's literally fucking everything that walks.
I mean, his sixty year old diner waitresses and the
seventeen year old lover of your sixteen year old daughter. Now,
how dare they think Clay the sixteen year old fucker
is cool to do whatever? But Stabler can't give us
a ticket to the gun show. What the fuck?

Speaker 4 (58:46):
I know, all he wants to do is pless fucking
I mean he does give us a ticket. We get
so much Stable gun show.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
In this I know, and then like, okay, so we
instantly have Courtney saying she wants to take Stable into Poundtown.
We get him in his tank top and they're like, oh,
no tank tops, modesty code. He's like, no tank tops.
Steebler's guns can't rest with sleeves.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
I mean, you think he did a couple presses right
before he put on that tank top just so.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Yeah, he was doing like fucking nick Cage and con
air upside down push ups, you know, with his with
his feet up in the air against the wall. He
was making sure he was fucking yoked for that scene.
Muscles fucking like just pulsating, dude.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
It was. It was pretty hot. I can understand why
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Even get to see his ass in this episode. It
was just his guns.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
But I can understand why they make him put on
his shirt.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
You know, guns no buns, man, it's a bummer.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
We already see what happens when Elliott puts on a bluetooth.
How it just like ignites desire and women. What would
happen if he wore shorts into that meeting?

Speaker 2 (59:54):
How great is it when his spot gets blown up
in Courtney instantly wants to live Elliott in her three way?
She doesn't no live, but I think she could tell
that lives hot?

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
How much fan fake? Do you think that one scene sparked?
You know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Fuck, there's a treasure trove a fanfic about that scene.
I'm sure. Now, okay, they call it broom duty. Picture reliot,
We all pitching? How about broom duty? What the fuck
happened to sweeping? Man? Like they know that using a
broom is sweeping, right?

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
I mean sweeping is probably some kind of perophilia that
I haven't been.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
It's yeah, that's definitely some kink here. I'm gonna look
it up on a urban dictionary.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Hmm, there's a cleaning kink.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
No, there's nothing that's a bummer.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
There's a broom fetish. Fetish where you're sexually attracted to
a broom and want to fuck it, there's a cleaning
fetish list on porn hub.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
That's your homepage. Okay, how the hell did Brett not
come up as an employee at the other places, like
they said, they did a search for all of the
employees and at other.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
No, it's because Brett was a computer whiz. He didn't
need to be an employe at those other places because
he had access to the what EMRs or whatever. That
was the implication that I got was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
He always in New York then and going to fucking Richmond, Virginia.
That doesn't make any sy No.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
But he had access to their medical records because he
was the computer with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
He had to have been an employee at those places though.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
No, no, no, no, it was waved away with he's
a computer genius with designing his own proprietory electronic medical records.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
That's not what was going on. It's just that his
records were so good that he had everything there, because
that's how we gets off, wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
No, My understanding was that he was the computer whiz
as well as so he was basically like, if we're
doing a criminal minds kind of callback, so you have
Jeremy Irons is the Joe Montage of the group, right,
but every other character from Criminal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Talking entirely Greek to me because I've fucking never seen
an episode of Criminal Minds.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Maybe Jeremy Irons is both Joe Montana and Greg from
Dharma and Greg. But Brett is every other character. He's
the smart guy, he's the nerdy chick. He's also the
buff black guy, and he's Paget Brewster. I think he's everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Okay, so Clay scratching at his arm, but you know
that's too on the nose for Spu.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
Yeah, and it's obviously it's a tattoo. You can tell
it's a tattoo from.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Mile It's a honey baby tat.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
It's a honey bait tat.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Josh, it was honey bait, not baby. I thought it
was baby.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Honey bait. The O in honey was a smiley face
and the eye had a heart over the eye where
the dot would be one hundred percent. You would not
want to show off your arm if you just got
that tattoo done. That is the most embarrassing thing I've
seen on the arm of a grown man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Now, in this scene where they're clapping, Brett claps like
a fucking lunatic watching him clap, Watching this actor clap,
this is zero that he's not only a psychopath, but
that he's also never clapped in his fucking life. It

(01:03:11):
is lunacy. Watch him clap, You'll be like, what the
fuck is that person? That he's like an alien trying
to mimic clapping. It is batshit crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
So reeling it back just slightly. So remember how in
the Stephen Ray episode, we have this tour to fource
performance from Stephen Ray and they balanced it with Elliott
going into solitary confinement where he most likely had sex
with a cockroach.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Oh. I think if we asked Maloney he would say that, yes,
that's what Elliott was doing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Yeah, most likely. Now in this episode, the counterbalance to
just the insane gravitas that Jeremy Irons brings with him.
I don't even know if it's good acting or not.
I mean it must be, but it's just like, Wow,
that's fucking Jeremy Irons. I believe what he says, and
he has a great accent. Regardless, Elliott's big acting moment

(01:04:00):
is basically to not have sex with Courtney.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Is that not a more herculean effort than anything that
Jeremy Irons is doing. She would that character Courtney, Yeah,
that character would literally fuck your brains out.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Gangban girl.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I'm not calling her what Clay called her, but I
mean to turn that down.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
And then I mean she was persuasive honestly. Yeah, I mean,
does Olivia put out we know the answer to that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Not with Elliot?

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
No, yeah, yeah, not yet maybe yeah yeah, season twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Yet we're five hundred episodes in, though, and it hasn't
fucking happened.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
But literally everybody is shocked that he didn't rape his
own child, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
No, yeah, he is. We are wong as. The only
one who's not shocked is Linda. She's like, I was seventeen.
I wanted it to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Another great performance, though, because she walked into that room
with the air of like, oh fuck, I fucked you
when I was seventeen years old. God damn it, now
I have to talk to you. Watching the second time,
it's exactly the note that she hit and sure I
believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
But then when she's regaling us with the story of
his or her sexual conquest, it's like, oh man, that's gross.
And then the weird thing about this scene, especially, like
you know, past the reveal is that it's basically saying,
just because the age of consent might have been seventeen
in Falmouth, that we should feel okay about it now.
But this old fucker bone his daughter's girlfriend, Like, just

(01:05:36):
because seventeen's the age of consent doesn't mean oh it's cool,
We're good.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
It doesn't mean it's remotely okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
No, we should not feel okay about this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
But I love the character turn at that moment, right, like, oh,
I didn't rape my daughter when she was seventeen years old.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
It means I don't need to basically be tacitly approving
everything I've done by defending these people.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Also, yeah, so doctor patiop privilege out the fucking wind.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Oh who cares?

Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
No, I was only principled to like save my own
ass space.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
I only didn't want to see my daughter's assailant see
justice when I thought that I was also her assailant.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Obviously, So they come back to the group. Elliott's whole
arm pinning Kank is kind of on brand for him.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Yes, yeah, I think Maloney came up with it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Then he gets everybody off by like, oh, now, we
all have to roll up our sleeves. Look at my
foe arms.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
You know, he's doing like four arm hungs with all
the dudes. It's a strange way to interact with everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
He reminded me of space Ghost. He reminded me of
space Ghost, like doing the things with his arms when
he's standing out in front of his desk. We're behind
the desk honestly either way. But yeah, he's really just
channeling Tad Ghost here. I really love that Clay is
like trying to present himself here as the only one

(01:06:52):
who really cares about the modesty code.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
I get it. I get it. He has the worst
fucking tad I've ever seen. I also get that that
one guy's wife left him. We didn't really talk about
that kind of montage where we hear each one of
their like fetishes, like you know, like go by real fast.
I hate to talk about people's appearances in the show
and make fun of them for not being that attractive.
But if I were that guy's wife, I probably loved

(01:07:16):
him for you know, his personality and what he did.
But I can't imagine the swinger tail that that guy's
pulling in. I wouldn't want to go to that party either.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Let's be frank, if you go to a swinger party,
you're not like there's not one fuckable person.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Yeah, that's most likely. They're just like it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Sea of unfuckables who are just going to fuck themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
You've seen like smoother skin at a fucking tannery. Yeah,
so essentially, no one wants to let the guy who
made Bruce Willis wear a racist sandwich board cure them
of sexual addiction anymore. I don't know whether to feel
happy or sad about that. I don't know if he does.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Yeah, now, jumping back, just a hair, It seems like
they really wanted to get Lindsay krafted or bras much
possible in this one. So it's Lindsay Kraft and a bra.
Like at least why the second time is for a while?

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
Yeah, the second time is for a while. It's not
it's not played for effect in quite the same way
that the first time is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
The first. One's at least fun. She's throwing herself out
a character. She's the one wanting to engage in consensual sex,
well pushy consensual sex. I mean, she's not gonna rape Elliott.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
But it's somewhat borderline, right, because like she's a psychosis, right,
So is it consensual sex from Elliot's perspective, I don't know. Also,
trade craft man, Elliott is the worst at hiding a
phone call of anybody I've ever seen. He's got the
biggest bluetooth I've ever Oh, he's also.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
The worst at like following people on the street his bluetooth.
We've seen this before too.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Bluetooth was like bigger than my phone.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
But that was what bluetooth was like then. I mean,
you remember Conrad walking around Spidery House with a bluetooth in.
I know there was no confusion about whether or not
he was talking to someone on the phone, or at
least talking into his bluetooth. Who knows if he was
actually talking to someone.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
The phone, but still just shocking, like obviously somebody's going
to think he used on the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
What an idiot. My name is Elliot and I'm a
sex atic.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
I think it's time to rank the episode, Josh, I
think we've come full circle. We have four criteria on
which we judge ten point scale. We're trying to come
up with a composite score so we can rank every
goddamn episode of SVU, and we judge on the quality,
the guest performances, the depth and breadth of lives ruined,

(01:09:34):
and how problematic overall the episode was. This one definitely
is going to tick one box. I think not one
hundred percent sure about how it ticks the other boxes.
But let's get the quality last, because I don't know.
I'm kind of up in the air about that one. Now,
depth and breadth of lives ruined. We have a number
of rape victims. You got four and they're four fourteen

(01:09:59):
in total.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Four and three cities and two in New York.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
Yeah, we have a whole group of sex addicts who
are thrown back to the wolves. We have at least
Cap Jackson's daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
Cap Jackson's daughter is well, she's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Because she's not rased. She's one of the rape vis.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
A stomp victim. I want to say that the legitimacy
as sexual addiction as a diagnosis is going to take
a hit from the downturn for doctor Captain Jackson's reputation.
So maybe if it's not in the DSM five, maybe
that's why. But on the scale of SVUS, is this

(01:10:39):
a pie score for depth and breadth I'm not one
hundred percent sure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
What is probably a six? Six?

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Yes, six is right, because that's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Rape victims, yeah, fifteen, well, fourteen rape victims and a
fifteenth assault victim.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Yeah. And are you counting Courtney in that rape victim
count because she was an attempted number fifteen, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Tempted to rape. So that's that brings us up to
sixteen victims of Brett.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I like six.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
We've also got Clay with that terrible tat Dad.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Tat is bad and just the tragedy of each one
of those guys. You got that fucking hr McMaster looking
college professor, that guy you walk into that guy's class
and you're like, this is gonna suck. I do not
want to listen to this fucking guy. So the tall
generations of kids have been ruined by that guy. Now,
moving on, how problematic was this episode, Josh? It did

(01:11:29):
heavily feature a man who thought he had rapped his
own fucked us daughter for twenty years. He thought he
rapped his own daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I think he only thought that he raped his daughter
for the last few months, unless he was sort of
just lying about that, which I don't think we can
assume because the repressed memory came back relatively recently, So
you know, we're looking at like six months to a
year of thinking that he rapped his daughter. So Jackson
is just a standard issue sex addict, but therapist Brett
is obviously so much worse. Combined, we've got another fundamentally

(01:12:00):
high therapy episode. You can't trust your therapist, he's gonna
rape you. You also can't trust your professor, he's going
to rape you too.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
Yeah. And you can't trust your husband, he's going to
take you to a terrible swingers party.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
And you can't trust the e skeasy guy who doesn't shave,
who hangs around your sixteen year old daughter, which I
don't think that's news to anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Yeah, Yeah, that's that's a bit of information that everyone
has their immediate disposal. You can tell that that guy
should not be around a sixteen year old. We do
have his multiple statutory rape victims, though that maybe we
need to bump that up to a seven, because he's
not going anywhere. He's just getting help and he is
still probably outstatching these.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Pasts on the streets. Yeah, I don't know. I think
I think it's still a six. Okay, because fundamentally, the
one rape victim that we spend the most time with
is doctor Debbie Shields, And if you didn't hear that
she had been raped, you would not have thought that
she was a victim because it has gone out the
window in her character. All she cares about is her

(01:13:00):
friend or wife, I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
I think we have to also factor in the peeping boys.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Depth and Brett. Oh, yeah, this is another one of
those like SVU wants to ruin young children's sexuality. Sure,
this is the age they're they're at the prime David
Eigenberg age where their fucking sexuality is going to be
fucking warped. Yeah, they're not gonna be able to fuck
without a creepy mask on or something else disturbing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
So yeah, violence, yeah, so yeah, it's probably bumps it
to a seven inches, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
We can we can go seven Is this problematic again?

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Anti therapy?

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Anti therapy?

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
We've got peeping tomboys, sepe tom boys, daughterfucker daughter fucking father,
who is then just daughter lover fucking father.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
I'm sorry, but the fact that they like invented new fetishes,
they weren't looking at these lists that I'm looking at
and going like, oh, let's work that fetish inarly, No,
we need to have a forearm fetish.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Arm penning kick and forearm fetish. I mean, I think
it's problematic that they wouldn't let Stabler take the guns out.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
You know, they let him though, they let him fly.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
Know that just up here, just to his elbow.

Speaker 4 (01:14:06):
He saw full shoulder and that one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Yeah, but in the tank top scene, and then he
wasn't going to be able to sleep in the tank top.
They were going to make him put on a long
sleep shirt man. And you know he got a bad
night seep because of that. Because his guns need.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
To they do they need they.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
His pythons need air.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
So is this like a six seven? Another six or seven?

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
I mean there's also three scenes with Lindsey Kraft with Courtney.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
Oh yeah, she's outstanding.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Very aggressive. I love her assertion that lots of cops
are sex addicts. She's fucked whole precincts. I mean, the
whole scene where everyone's detailing their sexual extracurriculars. That's problematic
in a super fun way.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Yeah, I love that scene. That was one of my favorites.
You know a lot of those well, I don't know.
I don't want to say that people aren't sex addicts,
because I'm sure it can ruin lives seen six feet
under Californication, but uh yeah, but you know, some of
them seemed like, you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Know, I like the guy that lost his wife because
he took her to swinger party.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
You know, I would think on the swinger forums they
would have been like, you know, maybe you should like,
you know, kind of like slide a couple hints in
before you just show up at an orgy with your blair.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
The father fucking is profoundly disturbing until we find out
that he didn't fuck his daughter. But is it more
fun that we find out that he didn't but he
thinks that he did. For like, let's say, thirty three
minutes of the forty two minutes a run time, he
thinks that he's fucked his daughter.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Oh it's it's hysterical, And I love that he thinks
that he fucked his daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
So that makes this more fun problematic than like Taboo,
where you're like literally repulsed because of how gross how
that scene on the couch and taboo, yeah, where they're
cuddled up on the couch, he's got his arm around
his daughter. Slashed lover.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
Yeah, no, I love I love his turn, just like
I love the cops because they told me that I
didn't fuck my daughter and then fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
The hippocratic of who cares like. It's not an all timer,
but it's still very problematic. Like, I think we're looking
at a seven here, right, I think it's a seven,
especially for like season twelve. It feels like they weren't
as I'm talking out of my ass here, but it
feels like as the barriers got farther and farther removed
from the earlier seasons where things are really batshit crazy,

(01:16:27):
that it's often less disturbing or less less problematic in
the super fun way. And I still think this is
really problematic, yeah, in a fun way.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
So the Finn Witrock Sophia of Slieva episode Wonderland story
that we just watched though as munch as going away Party,
we gave that a seven. That's the one that just try.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
That's because of how fun it was we did.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
We gave that as a comedy story because of the
Munch going well, we gave that as a comedy absolutely, right,
So let's go back a little bit further. The Sarah
Winter episode Motherly Love, we gave an eight. I think
this is just a slight tick below that because it
is so fucked up. Oh yeah, it's so fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
She says on the stand that her kid was fucking
jerking it to her, fucking his best friend because he
wanted to fuck his mother.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
That is outstanding if you looked at it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
Just in problematic incidents, this has more of them than
that episode did. But that is such a massive fucking.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
I feel like we might have undersold that one. I'm
fine with seven. Seven works. So moving on to guests,
Josh Cool. I mean, Jeremy Irons is a legendary actor
and he doesn't really disappoint in this. There are a
couple scenes in particular where I think he is quite good,
especially when he's staring at doctor Debbie Shields when she

(01:17:44):
mentions his foul myth that's great, like he is. He
is doing so much right there, and he does a
lot in the scene in the elevator. He's great.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
Now, at the same time, Jeremy Irons can only really
play Jeremy Irons, I feel right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Yeah, sure, I mean, he's it's not like, no, he's
still Claus with Bulo.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
Yeah, he's Claus von Buloh, he's Simon whatever Simon's last
name was, Yeah, Simon Gruber. Absolutely Hans Grueber's brother, only
just more nefarious.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
I mean, I feel like they just brought in Jeremy
Irons to be Jeremy Iron's here. Yeah, that is not
a ton of work being done. Like it's still Jeremy Irons.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
But but like his little details are quite good, right,
I mean, I don't know, I think he's quite good now.
At the same time, you also have fantastic performances from
the stripper, from Courtney, from all the other creeps into
sex Addiction Clinic. Don't love Criminal Minds doctor Debbie as much.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
But yeah, I mean she doesn't have anything to do.
But I don't think she's particularly noteworthy, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
I mean it's just noteworthy to me because several times
I had to go, like, wait, weren't you tied up
and raped by that fucking awful man in the mask?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Yeah? How are you working?

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Anyways? I don't know if this is a ten.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
I don't think it's a ten at all. I think
it's at best.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
And eighte Okay, I mean, Jeremy Irons is legendary, but
it's not stunt casting. Right, it's not Andrew McCarthy. It's
a totally different though.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
It's also it's not Stephen Ray where you're just like.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
No, it's not the fun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Yeah, it's not that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
No, it's not that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
I think you're looking at an eight. I mean, he's
a very good actor, but I don't think he's doing
anything particularly interesting here. I mean it's not like he's bad,
but we're parsing out wearing the pantheon. Yeah, and it's
not there.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
And I think you hire Jeremy Irons for this part. Right,
Sure you don't try to Brenda Bleavin up his accent.
You don't try to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
No, you just let him brain dead his wife or
your fuck his daughter or really fuck his daughter's girlfriend.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
Yeah, play twins or you know, be an evil lion
or whatnot. I guess he was like snuggling a lion
toy or something. I know somebody mentioned that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Yeah, it's in the fandom. Yeah, wiki.

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
So moving on to quality, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
It's not an all topic.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Well it kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
I remember this one like without having watched it in
over a decade.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
I didn't really I had no recollection of this whatsoever.
I've seen every episode, but I felt like I was
watching this one a new you know. It's it's not
like the Luke Perry episode.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
No, but again the stun casting.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
It's not like Mark Paul Gossler episode. It's not like
the Melissa Joan Hard episode.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
No, it's not an Alzheimer but it is. It's good,
it's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Yeah, I'm inclined to say, like a what a seven here? Probably?

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Yeah, so that I mean, it's like seven and a quarter,
which is pretty high.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Yeah, it's because it's problematic enough and has a fuck
load of victims. It does like it basically just doesn't
have anything that it's a low end exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
It's it's kind of bringing it everywhere. And so it's
tied with the Sarah Winter episode we were just talking
about that was given the general geometry of everything we
don't know that it wasn't. The poop shoot. Also tied
with Taboo that Josh was just mentioning, which is it's
going to be really hard for her to find more
after birth for her. Voracious Angel also tied with the

(01:20:52):
Bound that was Mattresside by Proxy, and trade that was
nothing screams Cancoon spring break like Moose Antler's and ground
that was Amorro's peculiar sense of smell.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Those are all very good episodes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
Those are all good episodes, and they're all definitely worth enjoying.
But they are just a tick below the very cream
of the crop. So I think we can roll the next.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
One, heading over to episode dot lol, which was built
for this podcast by Front of the Pod Flat. The
tape is spinning. Bill and Ted are unhappy, and we've
got delinquent Season twelve, episode twenty three, when a young

(01:21:40):
woman finds a teenage boy asleep and naked in her bedroom,
His mother, Bree Walsh, is quick to defend him, while
detective Benson and Stabler trying to figure out what truly happened.
They also have to manage the sneaky teenager and his
naive mother. As the detectives dig deeper, they discover how
deceptive appearances can be.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
Looking at the fandom page right now, I readA Wilson. Yeah,
Rita Wilson's in it? Who else is in it? She's
the only one that I notice right away?

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Yeah, I don't really recognize any of these people. I
guess I'll refrain from talking about Rita Wilson right now.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
Yeah, well, we'll surely talk about her next week on
another thrilling installment of munch by Events.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
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So if you are listening to this, please rank us
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(01:23:06):
as munch My Benson, so we're on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
We've also got a Reddit page, we.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
Have a website, we have a Gmail account. Everything is
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Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Benson, munch My Benson, munch the fuck out of our Benson's.

Speaker 4 (01:23:21):
I think you tick the boxes, Josh, so yeah, munch away, guys,
and we will see you next week.

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I panic, I literally feel that I would die if

(01:25:00):
I didn't have sex.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
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back and found you?

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
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