91 - This Isn't Even a Prison Rape Taunt, This Is Straight Up Holding Cell Rape Taunt (S10E20 Crush) - Munch My Benson: A Law & Order: SVU Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Assaulting cop, trespassing, you trip.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
It well, you'd be doing life if Kim Garnette dies dies.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
What the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (00:08):
You kicked on the head.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
I just talked to her because you're a loving not
a fighter. Hunt Champ exactly.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Who's my main man's bunk made hid? Oh? This is
little Pete? He raked a thirteen year old boy.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hi there, you can't lock me up with a pervert.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
He looks like a lover too. Ain't playing nice with him?
Little Pete? Real nice?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
No, I'll tell you everything.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
In New York City sexually based offenses they're considered especially heinous.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
These are their stories.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Hey, guys, welcome to munch My Benson. My name is Adam.
I am in a very cold and rainy New York City.
I am late. I am joined on the line, and
I promise I can talk this week. And I am
joined on the line by my good friend Josh. How
is it going, Josh?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's going?

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I was a fifty one away from blackout Bengo the
other day. Ooh, Jackie and I both would have won
with fifty one A nice so yeah, that was it
was a close one. The lost a little bit.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Absolutely, the closer you are, the harder to take the laws.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
I know, it's really it's tough.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Yeah, the in laws in town. So it was me,
a seventy five year old woman with Parkinson's and a
ninety eight year old woman kind of hanging out in
Times Square. Of course, this was right before the omicron
variant sort of started kicking off hardcore. So we had
a good time. But now, of course I feel not
so great about it.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
You're waiting to get the test result.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Everybody's boosted, so I'm not super worried, but it's still
just like, why aren't we allowed to have nice things? Yeah,
so I got to spend a lot of time in
a neighborhood. I'm not that used to spending time in
It's Times Square, Hell's Kitchen, And one thing I will
say is that I hadn't quite likes appreciated the gravitational
poll of the Port Authority bus terminal on the whole

(02:51):
area because you think of these places, you think of
Times Square is like where tourists go, and you think
of Hell's Kitchen is kind of like a very tony
area that's it's got like cafe and nice houses and shit.
But the Port Authority bus terminal brings it back to
the bad old days. That place is fucking hell on earth.
It's really shitty. Everything within a twenty block radius of

(03:14):
that place is infected by It's just miasthma of funk.
So I enjoyed it. It had a great time. We got
to see a.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
SB New York miss right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
We got to see the SPU was doing a shoot
right around the corner from their hotel Nice. So we
saw the trailers, and we saw a guy who was
I think he was dressing nice teas trailer honestly is
what he was doing. We saw a lot of trucks,
we saw, we saw crafty. They were clearly I don't
know if.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
They now grab like a granola bar or anything off crafty.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
What I need to be doing is just walking around
town with like tape on, like a rope on my
belt and a clipboard. I got that shit going on. Then, Yeah,
I'm grad.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
I'm never gonna ask you a question. Would always be
wearing a black T shirt. Absolutely, you gotta be you
gotta be wearing blacks, Yeah, blacks, tape on the belt,
tape on a like five different kinds of tape. You know,
you need need your your one inch gaff, you need
your two inch gaff, you need your you need painter's
tape of at least two colors.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Ideally you have like a walkie talkie too that you
can kind of just tape.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, I mean you just you basically you walk around
sets and wait to find one that someone set down
and just take that one. They're never going to figure
it out, although I do have like an eye for
which walkies should be. Like, if you're on set and
you saw someone with the wrong brand of walkie, you'd
be like, what the fuck is that guy doing? Like
he's definitely not talking to us, So you got to

(04:37):
make sure you're stealing the best kind of walkie possible. Honestly,
you could probably just put feelers out on Craigslist and
get one for very little.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
But you think the crafty guys really give a shit
which brand of walkie talk you I've got. Yeah, I mean, no,
crafty doesn't.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
But the the ad department, the fifteen pas that are
sitting there like supposed to be locking up set. Even
on a show like that, you know where you could
have day players or something like that, it's going to
be a little more difficult to walk on.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Yeah, they were shooting inside a hotel and I don't
know if talent was on set or not. It looked
what day was it it was This would have been Wednesday,
So it is Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
The episode after Donal Logue would have been on. Yeah,
I think I'm pretty sure his episode was done shooting
like a week and a half ago.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, it looked like they were in like a random
kind of Marriott business traveler kind of deal, right, But
that was fun. The first time I've run into that
since we've been here. So I guess I need to
be down there on the West Side more often, kind
of closer to where their studios are, where they're hanging
out more often. But that's about all I got. Going
to kind of old school Italian restaurants and seeing Christmas

(05:43):
sights in Midtown that's been my life recently. And taking
a ninety eight year old woman in a wheelchair on
the subway, which we did, which was fun. Oh you know.
I also I watched the most recent episode of Curb
and this is a delightful season, just delightful.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah. I really hope he finds his Mary Ferguson.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah, I'm caught up on a fourth one. All the
my my HBO shows now, so Succession and Curve and
how To. I'm you know just why I'm a black
an her name right now, but Tracy Ollman just she's
very hilarious.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
The Succession finale was really good.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
It was a very good setup for a nice twist,
and I like where it's going. I mean, they definitely
have been kind of leading into this so when you like.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Tom, Yeah, like I wasn't surprised that, Like I knew
that Tom the instant he goes up to Greg and
starts talking. I knew that Tom was turning button.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
But even they set this up, I don't I don't
remember the episode, but when he and he and Kendall
are talking in the kind of I hot parking lot,
they're setting this betrayal up where he's saying logan never loses,
you lose all the time. Yeah, yeah, but really good
shit still and then how To with John Wilson also fantastic.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
I haven't seen Yesterday's but you've seen all the rest?

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Wait, no, I have, It's yeah, that's right, Yeah, I
have not seen Yesterday, but yeah, the first three have
been great, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
I have a whole palette of energy.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Drink code excellent. Yeah, and I'm joking, of course, but
it was a pretty good rundown for why you don't
want to have a car in this city. Yeah, yeah,
but without even kind of the most obvious thing is
that it's really expensive because you're paying I don't know, I.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Mean, car insurance was crazy in La too, but.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Here you're guaranteed to get at least one or two
parking tickets a month. Yep, just guaranteed, no way around that,
and they're not cheap.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I probably paid over one thousand dollars in parking tickets
while we were in La.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Oh sucks, no fun.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
So we do have an episode where I've got a
fucking lot of notes, so we should probably dive in.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
I have a lot of notes about one art department photograph.
That's what I have notes.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
About, not a second unit photograph.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Maybe it's second unit. It's hard to tell because.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's okay, it's not the photo of her.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
It is the photo of her, Okay, okay, cool, But
I don't know. This is what I have my notes.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
I don't know how she would have I mean, I
guess she could put it on a tripod.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
And whatever, No, no, we'll get there.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah. Anyway, So we are watching season ten, episode twenty crush.
Kimberly Garnett, a blonde fifteen year old with suspect walking skills,
is begrudgingly making out against the lockers of her high
school with her dope boyfriend Steve, who tells her he
loves her, triggering a cascade of derisive comments that make

(08:24):
it clear super illegal nudes of her are circulating around
the school. Dazed, she misses the top step and tumbles
down a flight of stairs, ass over tea kettle, landing
herself in a coma. In addition to the coma, Kimberly
has a litany of injuries in various stages of healing
that are in no way related to her fall, pointing
toward abuse she's been suffering for roughly a year. This

(08:45):
is a total shock to her parents, but her father
lost his finance job before the crash about year and
a half ago, which forces Elliott to ask if Dad's
been hurting Kim, and leads Dad to beating the ever
living shit out of a vending machine. Kim's mother's her
husband's not abusing Kim, but they both agree her boyfriend
Steve sucks Donkey. Dick, Benson and Stabler questioned Steve poolside,

(09:08):
and he points them to a boxing gym where she's
been surreptitiously taking boxing classes. At the boxing gym, Kim's
instructor tells them that this other shitbird, Rick Edwards, had
been hassling Kim for a date and then after she
rebuffed his advances, he tripped her when she was jumping rope.
Rick calls every woman in sight bitch and refuses to

(09:28):
come out of the ring to be questioned, and when
Elliott enters the ring to ask Rick some questions, Rick
takes a swing at him, which Elliot easily ducks. Encounters
with a swift kick to the onions from a holding
cell with a massive dude who Finn says is in
for raping a thirteen year old boy. Rick quickly offers
up that he waited around for her on Friday outside

(09:51):
of the gym, but only to apologize. Csu tech Dale
Stuckey shows Stabler and Craig and the nudes Kim sexted,
including one that said You're gonna die, which they eventually
figure out was spoofed to show as having been sent
from her phone. They check her text logs and see
that she sent the picks to Steve, but not before
also sending them to a theater nerd at Grandvrew Prep

(10:13):
named Ethan Morse. Ethan tells them, yeah, she sent him
the pick first accidentally, but that he's not nearly hot
enough for her to be into him. Taru tracks down
her phone activity to within three blocks of Ethan's when
she sent the picks, and Ethan has a record of
violent outbursts at school that Finn gets extra legally, which
Assistant Corporation counsel Samantha Copeland Waltz's in and says isn't

(10:36):
going to be considered for her case. Live tracks down
the MTA photos of Kim being followed by fuck Face Steve,
giving them working theory that Kim was cheating on fuck
Face with Ethan and fuck Face beater for it. Both
of them are brought in. Fuck Face says that he
was Kim's protection, painting Ethan as a violent kid. As
SVU presses each kid, their parents pull the plug on

(10:59):
questioning the bullpen, Ethan shoves Steve, asking how he could
hurt Kim. Then Craigan tells the unit that this will
all become clear soon because Kim just came out of
her coma. Benson implores Kim to tell them who's been
beating her. Copeland tells Kim that she's going to end
up dead if she continues to protect her abuser. Liv
pulls Copeland aside and tells her to stop revictimizing the victim,

(11:21):
but Copeland thinks it wise to make Kim talk by
arresting her for producing and distributing child pornography of herself.
Live box at this terrible idea, but Copeland says she
will report Live to IAB and find someone who will
arrest Kim, so Liv slaps the cuffs on Kim. Kim's lawyer,
Miranda Pond, enters the fray, telling Copeland the charges are repugnant,

(11:43):
and Copeland says she'll drop them if Kim gives up
her abuser. Kim stays. Mom. Pond and Copeland argue in
Judge Hilda Marsden's chambers, who asks Benson, the arresting officer,
if she thinks Kim produced and distributed child pornography, and
gets the answer technically yes, but that wasn't her intent.
Judge Marsden seems to like Liv's response, but when Pond

(12:05):
moves to dismiss the charges, Marsden says that they need
to fight the epidemic of teen girls sending nudes out
all willy nilly. Kim ends up beaten and hospitalized again,
but still refuses to talk. Kim then takes the stand
in family court and is eventually told that she has
to tell the court if she's been intimidated by her
abuser into altering her testimony. Kim still refuses to name

(12:25):
her attacker and is held in contempt and thrown in
court lockup. Live beckons Kathleen in to talk some sense
into Kim. Kathleen tells Kim she was a walking sexual
disaster and a guy was hitting her too, but that
jail did her good. Kim finally tells them that Steve's
a real fuck face piece of shit and that Ethan's
super nice to her. Jealous monster fuckhead found the pick

(12:47):
that she'd accidentally sent to Ethan on her phone and
blasted them to the whole school. Steve is arrested. Kim
tells them everything on the stand. Defense moves to dismiss
the charges. The state concurs and then the fucking judge
denies the request, much to everyone's shock. Judge Marsden abruptly
tells Kim to stand for her ruling, to which the

(13:07):
defense cries closing arguments haven't even been made. Marsden says
she doesn't have to listen to closing arguments and then
tells Kim that she's going to a facility for juvenile
sex offenders in Ohio for a year. Live in Pond
ask Copeland what she's going to do about this, but
she says there ain't shit she can do without torpedoing
her other cases. In front of Judge Marston and skulks off.

(13:29):
Liv wonders why Ohio, So she and Pond go to
the office of the clerk for Family Court to check
Marsden's stats, only ed Mangini, the senior clerk, hops off
the phone and tells them any such requests will have
to go through him and will be processed slowly. They're
immediately summoned to Marsden's courtroom, where she throws them into

(13:50):
lock up on bullshit contempt charges. Copeland alerts Cragan that
live in Miranda in court lock up, and when he
springs them, she tells them all that she's looked up
Marsden's records and figured out what's up. Marsden's been sending
scores of kids to Wellsburg on felony charges as sex
offenders for such heinous offenses as urinating in public and
public lewdness. Smash cut to Stabler sitting on the hood

(14:12):
of Manganie's Mercedes, asking how a mid level bureaucrat has
such nice wheels. Manganie's brought in and gives little resistance,
telling them that she gets a commission on every bed
she fills in her cousin's facility, and he shocks her
docket full of these cases to keep them both rolling
in the dough. Stabler throws on a pair of glasses
and goes under cover as a parent who wants his

(14:33):
daughter's terrible boyfriend to go away. Not really a stretch,
she asks for a donation to a re election campaign
and gets an envelope full of cash. She goes overboard
once again, this time with Craigan, Huang, and Ethan play
acting the case in a courtroom sting before Elliott flashes
his badge and tell her the only one who's going
away is her. Kim gets sprung and thanks them for

(14:54):
their help. Live tells Kim that she's the one who
helped herself, and we get a team secting as bad
but old judges are worse, dick.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Wolf, It's true.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, so this is a thing.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
It fully jumps the shark in the last fifteen minutes
just not I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
But the weird thing about this is it's like three
rip from the headlines smashed together. Yeah, and this is
absolutely a thing that has happened and continues to happen
in juvenile courts across country. But there's one case in
particular that happened just before this.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
It did have such an absurd sting operation to take
it down. You know.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Well, no, but that's the only way you can get
things done in SVU world.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
But yeah, I guess we should start there, right, We
should start with these rips from the headlines and then
move on to some of the esteemed actors.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Okay, so, per fandom, the picks leaking was apparently inspired
by Vanessa Hudgens' nudes that leaked back in two thousand
and seven, but in January two thousand and nine, in Greensburg, Pennsylvania,
gild pornography charges were brought against six teenagers, three girls
and three boys after the girls sent sexually explicit photos
to their male classmates. It sure seems like that is

(16:05):
informing the story much more than the Vanessa Hudgens league.
The abusive relationship was apparently inspired by the documented abuse
that Chris Brown doled out on Rihanna, although I would
argue that it's also inspired by Rick beating up Terry
on De Grassy. And then the big twist at the
end is the judge shit. Judge Marsden's actions are an

(16:29):
analog to two real life Pennsylvania judges, Mark Chivarella and
Michael T. Conahan, who were discovered to have taken bribes
to sentenced teens with relatively minor offenses to length these
days at privately run youth detention centers. In this case,
Luzerne County Judge Michael Conahan appears to spearheaded a scenario
in which he cut all funding to the county run

(16:51):
juvenile detention center and then used his sway as the
president judge in the county, so he controlled the purse
strings as it were, so.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Then he was the county judge, as opposed to being
like a criminal judge right, right, he was kind of
like an executive.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah, and so he used his way to cut all
the funding to the public facility. And then there was
a nice private facility that was built that basically was
built because he said he would fill those beds.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Mark Schavarella involved a judge with a pre existing history
of incarcerating way too many kids for way too little.
He was doing this before they had that facility. He
threw kids behind bars for fucking completely ridiculous shit. Yeah,
he's a total monster. Fuck him. Shavarella insists that he
wasn't engaged in a quid pro quo and that he
just got the two point six million dollars he received

(17:39):
as a finder's fee.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Oh I find two point six million dollars all the time. God.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
So there's a documentary about this called Kids for Cash
that if you just do a Google search for it,
it will come up. It's you know, feature length, it's
like an hour and forty minutes. But yeah, if you
want to, if you want to get pissed about this,
watch that, because you know, end up permanently in the
system essentially, and then some of them commit suicide. One
of them the first defense he went in was for

(18:06):
fucking underage drinking, and he ends up eight years later
committing suicide.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
I'm shocked to find out that private for profit prisons
are a problematic enterprise, Josh, I'm shocked to find yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
When they were both charged, Conahan initially filed a guilty
plea and then rescinded that. And then Conahan ended up
eventually pleading out and giving up the details that he
agreed to generate at least one point three million dollars
per year in receivables that could be built two tax
bearers in exchange for kickbacks. Then he brought in Chavarella

(18:39):
on the whole deal. Chavarella still insists that he had
nothing to do with that. He's the only one who
stood trial. He ended up getting sentenced to twenty eight
years in prison, Conahan because he pleaded even though he
was the ring Later, but he was sentenced to seventeen
point five years in twenty nineteen because of COVID shit.
He got released to house arrest. He's still on house

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but you know, obviously we know that doesn't probably mean much. Now,
don't worry, this is actually happening again. This time it's
in Rutherford County, Tennessee, where in October of twenty twenty one,
Pro Publica uncovered that Judge Donna Davenport, who runs the
juvenile justice system in the county, has been jailing children
in a staggering forty eight percent of juvenile cases that
come in front of her. Yeah, compared to five percent

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jailing in the rest of the state.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
So is there a corruption angle with this woman, because
I've heard about this person with the like over charging children.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
This largely occurs because she also oversees the juvenile detention
center in the county as well. These have also been
disproportionately black children that have been thrown in the clink.
Since two thousand and three, she's instituted a quote process
where children who are taken into custody are immediately taken
to JADC for screening and then charging papers get filed.

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This is for any offense, even.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Truancy Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Until twenty seventeen, they also employed a filter system where
staff could just to hold a child before they were
granted a hearing using vague determining criteria where they were
qualified as a true.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Threat Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
And these criteria are outside of Tennessee state law. Of course,
a federal injunction put an end to the filter system.
Federal injunction in twenty seventeen. Now the injunction came after
a twenty sixteen case where Rutherford had ten elementary school
children arrested and four jailed for having witnessed a fight
and not breaking it up. Elementary school kids witnessing a

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fight and not breaking it up. One of them actually
did try to break it up, and they were still arrested.
They just weren't jailed. Judge Davenport is the only person
to hold the seat in Rutherford County as it was
created in two thousand. She's lied consistently about her unemployment
history to seemingly make her seem much more qualified than
she is. She didn't pass the bar until her fifth try,
per her statement and a deposition, but she also lied

(20:51):
about her employment history and depositions, so it could have
been more attempts. However, many times it took her to
pass the bar. It wasn't until nine years after she
finished law school that she was finally able to legally
practice law. Three years later, one of the county's judges
appointed her to be a juvenile court referee, which was
apparently like a judge. I don't know if that position

(21:13):
still exists or if the new seat in the county.
The new position in the county makes the referee irrelevant
or basically eliminated it now. The year after she was
appointed to be this juvenile court referee, Rutherford County violated
federal law one hundred and ninety one times by keeping

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kids locked up too long, per a report from the
Tennesseean as kids held on minor charges are supposed to
appear before a judge within twenty four hours and be
released no more than a day after that. She claimed
roughly a half of those violations occurred because a kid
had cursed at her or someone else.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
The only time she's even had an opponent was the
first time she ran, when a major in the Sheriff's
department ran against her. He was later charged with sex
crimes against a minor, which he pleaded out to probation.
Back to the case with the kids who witnessed the fight.
The two kids punching an older kid were deemed too
young to charge, as they were just five and six
years old. The ADA didn't want to charge any of

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the bystanders as she didn't believe there was an appropriate charge.
Since Tennessee allows for judicial commissioners who don't need the
legal training of judges or prosecutors to review a police
investigation and decide what charges to file, and judicial commissioners
are recommended by county judges and appointed by county commissioners.
Woefully unqualified judicial commissioner Sherry Hamlet, who was armed with

(22:35):
just a high school diploma and whose previous job was
doing quote, computer work and general office duties at a
small town post office, she came up with a charge
of quote, criminal responsibility for conduct of another. Unfortunately, that's
not a charge, that's not a fucking law. The arresting

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officer and another judicial commissioner signed the petitions, and four
of the kids were arrested at school. These are elementary
school kids. One of these was an eight year old
who was handcuffed in her classroom with pigtails and towed
it away like twenty minutes before the bell rang. This
is just preposterous. Of the ten black children arrested, four
girls were released and four of the six boys were jailed.

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Those four boys joined a group of nine hundred and
eighty six kids jailed in Rutherford County, which has a
whopping population of three hundred and thirty thousand people, So
that year there were nine hundred and eighty six kids
jailed in Rutherford County for a total of seven, nine
hundred and thirty two days. Lawyers for Jacorius Brinkley, who's
one of the boys who filed suit against the county
and what eventually became a class action suit, got a

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hold of records and estimated that over an eleven year
span ending in December twenty seventeen, five hundred kids had
been wrongfully arrested.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
The lawyers found that more than fifty kids who were
jailed were jailed for what would not have been crimes
if they were adults. Over fifty fucking people who were
fifty The fucking kids who were jailed for non crimes.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yeah, people say, like fucking ten year olds.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
It's insane, it's batchit crazy, that's itIt was eventually settled
for payments of up to eleven million dollars.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Of course, not from this.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Late October, another person who was jailed as a minor
filed a fifteen million dollar lawsuit against Donna Davenport she's
still in her position. No one has fucking lost their jobs.
This is fucking insanity, and this is happening still right now.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, so this is I mean, you said the population
is county, so it's a it's a suburban Nashville County
is what it is.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Yeah, Murphy's Murphysborough is the big I believe it's a
county seat.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Yeah that is some shit, man, Yeah, that's uh. Small
town judges are a problem.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Hm, well really, I think we're talking judges in general.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Yeah, well yeah, yeah, Supreme Cordon is our problem.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
So after you wrote a whole shipload about that, now
you get to talk about the legendary life and career
of Swoozy Kurtz, among others.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Among others. Yes, So I am going to hold off
on Noel Fisher's playing Dale stucky because this one's very full.
I've got like three pages a guest.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
But we got some we got a little stucky in
this We had a lot of stucky.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Yeah, we got a lot of stucky. There are four
episodes and this one isn't the most stucky we get.
So I think I may hold off, just like we
have been with Jefferson Mays for a while until we
hit that episode.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of other people
in this too, so.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
A lot like, way too many. I'm going to start
with Azra Miller since he's the biggest star of all
of them. Asra Miller, who's playing Ethan Morse, was born
and raised in Wycoff, New Jersey, by their father in
publishing and dancer mother. At six, they started training as
an opera singer to overcome a speech impediment, and has
since performed with the Metropolitan Opera and in the American

(25:52):
premiere of Phillip Class's White. Raven went to Rockland County
Day School and the Hudson School before dropping out at sixteen.
After the release of their feature film debut in After School.
They've been in City Island, Beware of the Gonzo, Another
Happy Day, We need to talk about Kevin, The Perks
of Being a Wallflower, The Stanford Prison Experiment, and train Wreck.

(26:13):
Then Ezra ended up getting cast in the DCEU as
The Flash, appearing in Batman v. Superman Suicide Squad, The
Bad One not the Good One, Justice League, and they're
oft the laid solo endeavor The Flash, which comes out
later this year.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
I disagree with your assessment of suicide squads, but it
depends on what you're going to the movies for Josh.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
The one with Jared Leto bad one.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yes, that's the good one. That's the good one.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
I promise you that's the bad one.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
I don't go to a superhero movie wanting like a
quality film.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
I go, you know what I never want in anything?

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Cackling No, after he's been in character as the fucking
Joker for like two and a half years to play
this role and he gets five minutes in the screen.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, I mean that's funny, but I'm still fuck him.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
I really want to see the House of Gucci because, like,
apparently Lady Gaga went so method that she had to
have a psychiatrist on set to follow her route and
keeper from from completely disassociating.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Sorry, that's not surprising to me. Back to Ezra, Ezra
is also Credence bare Bone in those Terrible Fantastic Beasts movies.
On TV, You've seen Ezra Miller in five episodes of Californication,
five episodes of Royal Pains, three episodes of The New Stand,
and an episode of Arrow As the Flash. Ezra identifies

(27:40):
as queer, neither a man nor a woman. There are
a couple of weird incidents. Ezra was plied with wine
by an unnamed director and producer while underage, who asked
if Ezra wanted to be in their movie about gay revolution.
Kind of qualifies this as very much a me too moment. Yeah,
if I refer to Ezra as he, it's not intentional. Yeah,

(28:02):
I have to override the English major in me that
does not want to use a pronoun that is applied
to a group of people.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
And I think it's.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Azra has said it apparently that they are fine if
someone you.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Know was strong and you're trying to be good, and
that's great. I think it's different when you know the
person and you're speaking directly because you think of them
as the way that they tell you to refer to them, right, sure,
So it's a little bit different than when you're talking about,
you know, a celebrity, or are you talking about, you know,
one of the stars of Perks of being a Wallflower.
So it's just it's it's reprogramming your brain to talk

(28:35):
like that.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
There was also an incident in April of twenty twenty
outside of a bar in Rekvic, where Ezra looked to
have grabbed a female by the neck and thrown her
into a snowbank. Videos not good, but nothing has come
of it. I don't know. I mean, I'm not like
trying to activate the woke mob or anything like that.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Now, you know. I would say just a general rule
of thumb for any of our listeners.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Don't grab people by the neck and romanok snowbank.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Hey, well that obviously that goes without saying, don't do that,
but especially don't get in fights with locals in Raykovic
in particular, because you're talking about the entire country. It's
related to one another. I mean, they have apps to
make sure that you're not about to have children with
a close cousin, and so.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Not many people, not that many people.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
There's no there's more people in my neighborhood than there
are in that country, absolutely, and it's an island and
it's very far to get away from that island. So
so I would not want to upset the entire population
because I don't know, because somebody offended me or I've
gotten some drunk asshole thing. Don't assault people. Don't assault people.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
People moving down the line, We've got Swoozy Kurtz Yeah,
is playing Judge Hilda Marsden. Swuzzi was born in Omaha
to author Margaret Margot Kurtz and Air Force Colonel Frank Kurtz,
Junior Colonel Kurtz.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
If you will, yep, sorry she was.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
She was named after the Boeing B seventeen d F
fortress nicknamed the swoos which her father piloted in World
War Two. Oh my God, which is a combination of
swan and goose. Yeah. Anyway. She moved around a ton
as a kid, went to USC majoring and drama, and
then attended London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art. Her
early on screen career was mostly bit parts in films

(30:19):
and guest spots on TV, showing up in the Donna
Reed Show, Kojak, Slapshot, The Love Story Sequel, Oliver's Story,
The Doctors, The Susan Day Sexapalooza, First Love the World,
according to Garp and Mary Tyler Morris short lived variety
show called Mary. Meanwhile, she was enjoying much more success
on stage. She received her first of five Tony nominations

(30:41):
in nineteen seventy eight for Tartuffe, and that year was
nominated for two Drama Desk Awards for different plays. She
appeared in Uncommon Women and Others and a History of
the American Film. In nineteen eighty one, she collected Broadway's
Triple Crown, a Tony A Drama Desk and a Outer
Critics Circle Award for her portrayal of Gwen in Lanford

(31:02):
Wilson's The Fifth of July. In nineteen eighty two and
nineteen eighty three, she was nominated for back to back
Emmys for Lead Actress in a Comedy for her turn
in Love Sidney, the first program on American TV to
feature a gay characters at central character, the titular Sydney,
played by Tony Randall. She's a fixture on TV from
here on out, receiving a total of eight Emmy nominations,

(31:23):
winning one for Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series
for Carolyn Company and I think that was nineteen eighty eight.
She's been main cast and Sisters Love and Money, Mike
and Molly, and Call Me Kat. She's had prominent recurring
and guest starring roles. This is You Know Where It's
Special Guest Star who's the first person in the opening
episodes of Credit that sort of thing. A prominent recurring

(31:45):
and guest starring roles in Er Huff, Pushing Daisies, Heroes,
Nurse Jackie, Grace and Frankie, and Man with a Plan
in film. You've seen her in Against All Odds, Wildcats,
Vice Versa, Bright Lights, Big City, The Dangerous Liaisons Stanley
and Iris, and the Band played on Reality Bites, Citizen Ruth,

(32:06):
Wire Liar, Cruel Intentions, Get Over It, Bubble Boy, The
Rules of Attraction, Category seven, The End of the World,
which I have on Blu Ray, and the Overport remake.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
I know, so weird.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
That I have Category seven The End of the World
on Blu.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Ray and that they've remade Overboard also, I mean.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, that's also weird. Next up, I'm gonna go to
Carly Schroeder, who's playing Kim Garnett. She's born in Valpreso, Indiana.
She is nineteen in this episode for anyone wondering. At seven,
she was cast to place Serena Baldwin in General Hospital
and in its spinoff, Port Charles. She went from there
to a recurring part on Lizzie McGuire and appearing in

(32:47):
the Lizzie McGuire movie. She then landed the role of
Millie and Mean Creek opposite Rory Culkin, and played Harrison
Ford's daughter in Firewall. She's starreding Gracie I of the
Dolphin Forget Me Not and co starred in Slightly Engle
in La and Ouigi House. In twenty nineteen, she enlisted
in the Army, attending OCS with plans to work as
an officer in the Military Intelligence Corps. As of September twentieth,

(33:11):
twenty nineteen, she is a second lieutenant.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Who fucking joins when they're thirty.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
No idea anyway. Next up Alex Kingston, playing defense attorney
Miranda Pond. She was born and raised in Epsom, Surrey,
in England, to an English butcher and his German wife.
She was inspired to pursue acting by one of her
teachers at Roseberry School for Girls, eventually completing a three
year program at Royal Academy of Dramatic Art and later

(33:37):
joining the Royal Shakespeare Company. Her breakout role was as
the titular character in the Fortunes and Misfortunes of Mall Flanders,
for which she was nominated for a Bathtub. Shortly thereafter,
she was cast in Er as doctor Elizabeth Corday, a
role which she played for one hundred and sixty episodes
and twelve years. She also won two SAG Awards for

(34:00):
that role as part of the Best Ensemble in a
Drama Series. You've seen her on the big screen in
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover, Creupier
Essex Boys, Alpha Dog, and Like Crazy. She's been main
caster recurring in Lost in Austin, Doctor Who Hope, Springs, Upstairs, Downstairs,
Arrow Shoot, The Messenger, Gilmore Girls, A Year in the Life,

(34:22):
A Discovery of Witches, and The Widow. She was married
to Ray Fines and then German freelance journalist Florian Hartel.
She is currently married to producer Jonathan Stamp. Next up
Melinda McGraw, who's playing Assistant Corporation Council Samantha Copeland. She
was born in Nicosia, Cyprus, to American parents. She grew
up mostly in the Boston area, Cambridge and Dover. Her

(34:45):
father was a diplomat with a US Agency of International
Development before becoming an exec at a major hotel in Boston.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yeah you know what that means, right, what does that mean, Adam,
he was a spook.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Josh was okay, yeah, sure. And then she attended Buckingham
Brown and Nickels School and started acting with the Boston
Children's Theater. She went to Bennington College and then was
one of seven women accepted to the Royal Academy of
Dramatic Art, where she was schoolmates with Clive Owen, Ray Fines,

(35:21):
Ian Glenn, David Morrissey and Alex Kingston.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Weird.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah, like they go way back, you know, they go
back to like that was what early eighties?

Speaker 4 (35:32):
Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
So she worked on stage in London for a few
years before coming back to the US in nineteen ninety.
She got guest roles early on in episodes of Quantum, Leap,
Seinfeld A Night Court, before landing a main role in
the short lived Dick Wolf series Human Factor, a medical
drama which starred Eric Lesal and John Mahoney.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
We got to watch that one. That sounds awesome. I'm
a huge Eric Lesal guy.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Oh of course you are. She went from there to
a series regular role on The Commission Oh yeah, and
then showed up as Dana Scully's sister in a handful
of episodes of The X Files. She had a main
role in a lot of short lived series like one
season and canceled, including The Pursuit of Happiness, Living in Captivity,
Wednesday nine thirty eight, thirty Central, Center of the Universe,

(36:17):
and failed Kelsey Grammar Vehicle Hank Like even Kelsey Grammar
doesn't get her show to stay on the air for
more than a season. Kind of a bad break for
her to never have anything that went into syndication and
really made her the big bucks.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
But she's been recurring in it.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
I know, She's been in so many fucking things. She
was main cast in season two of Men of a
Certain Age and then was recurring in the District, The
West Wing, Mad Men, n Cis, Harry's Law, Ben and Kate, Crisis,
State of Affairs, Outcast, and the Second Incarnation of Churned.
She appeared in the films The Dark Knight, The Nutty
Professor to the Clumps, and Albino Alligator. Really weird that

(36:53):
they went to school.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
Together, So fucking weird, And that year.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
They only accepted seven women in Alex Kingston and Millennia McGraw,
assuming they're the same year two of the seven. Next up,
We've got Bill Garnett. Scott Brice is playing him. He
was born in New York. His dad was actor Ed Brice,
who played Bill Bauer on Guiding Light. But you know
that was before any of our listeners were probably alive.
He grew up in Westport, Connecticut and went to Staples

(37:16):
High School, which I assume is sponsored by the company Staples.
He performed on Broadway at nineteen with Rex Harrison in
Caesar and Cleopatra. He has two Daytime Emmy nominations for
his work as Craig Montgomery opposite Meg Ryan on As
the World Turns, which he started doing in the early
eighties and through about like nineteen ninety one or two.

(37:38):
He was faith for its character's husband. That character, of
course was Corky Sherwood, and he was playing Will Forrest,
so I believe when she got a hyphenated name, it
was Corky Sherwood Forest. That was on Murphy Brown. He
was also main cast and popular and had recurring parts
in the Facts of Life, La Law, Vip, The Pam
Anderson Vehicle, Whoopee Home, and Deception, The Good Fight, and

(38:02):
he's appeared in one other episode of SVU. Three episodes
of the original series one episode of Homicide and one
episode of Chicago p D.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Everybody in this episode has such a big fucking list
of credits.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
My god, Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
He's a brain melter too, because he was in an
episode of Homicide Life on the Street but.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, well and another as for you yeah yeah,
but we haven't covered that SVU yet. So anyway, we
have enough brain melters, because the next four that I'm
going to talk about are all fucking brain melters. First up,
we've got Amir Arison, who's playing doctor Manning. We saw
him as doctor Gupta back in episode forty four of
Munch from a Benson where we were talking about parts

(38:39):
season six, episode twenty two. That episode we called but
they are turning a blind eye when Munch is going
to steal that kidney and put it in Marley Matlin.
This is one of eight appearances for him as Doctor Manning.
He's also in one episode of the original series and
two episodes of Criminal Intent. He is main cast in
The Blacklist, appearing in one hundred and seventy seven episodes.

(39:00):
I just saw like the last ten minutes of an
episode of the Blacklist, and because it was like on
right before SVU and that. I don't know what the
fuck is going on with that show. That is a
weird show. What world is that? I do not get it.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
I mean, he's like a really bad guy, right.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Maybe I can't tell who knows. It doesn't matter. I
don't want to watch old James Spader anyway. I just
want to watch, you know, Tough Turf, James Spader.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Yeah, tough Turf man. Just watch Tough Turf. You know,
two years like this Christmas, watch Toughter.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I've watched it very recently, like in the last couple
of months.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Amyir Aarison. He's Israeli American. He was born in Saint
Louis and raised in Fort Lauderdale. He went to Columbia University.
He's been in the films The Visitor. I guess I
need to specify. It's The Visitor that Tom McCarthy directed,
that was starring Richard Jenkins, which is really good. He's
also in I Hate Valentine's Day and A Merry Friggin' Christmas.
He was in multiple episodes of Homeland, the Dallas reboot,

(40:00):
Zero Hour, H Plus Blue and Girls. The next three
we've mercifully talked about before I think. First up, we've
got Jeffrey Canter, who's playing ed Man Janey. We just
talked about him in Mask, that Jemmy Irons episode which
we covered in munch My Benson episode eighty five, so
six episodes ago. That one was called the whole second
half of this episode basically is Stabler can't give everyone

(40:22):
a ticket to the gun show. And since that episode dropped,
Jeffrey Canter was also in the Christmas episode of Organized
Crime that just aired for us like a week ago.
For you listeners, it will have been about a month ago.
Then we've got Jennifer Reagan playing Janis Morse. We talked
about her in munch My Benson episode fifty two. It's
gonna be really hard for her to find more afterbirth

(40:44):
for her voracious Angel, wherein we talked about episode fourteen
of season seven called Taboo. She was the business woman
on the street who tells tells Alison Becker that that
is after birth that her dog is trotting down the
street with in its mouth. So nice. Yeah. And then
the last one I've got is Bill Winkler who's playing

(41:04):
Mark Walker. Mark Walker is Steve's dad. We saw him
as mister Braidwell May Whitman's dad in street Wise that
we covered in episode fifty six. She just wanted to
get sticky fingered. This is his second of four svus.
He was in two Criminal Intents. He also appeared in
multiple episodes of Pea Valley, Mattlock, The House of the

(41:25):
Have Nots Star and Daredevil.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah. I guess the only other one worth mentioning is
Alexander Nfong. I don't know how to pronounce his name.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
If he's not there wasn't anything that I liked.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
I know he was in this like one season of
a show called Oh You Pretty Things, which I'm not
familiar with, but he did have a pretty big role
in this episode, so I guess I'll just throw his
names out there. He stopped acting in twenty fourteen. I
did not do any research into his you know.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, the guy playing Rick Edwards as a casting guy.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Now, okay, right on, Yeah, he only.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
Has two credits. One's a Criminal Intent and once in SVU.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
But we could spend the whole fucking hour and a
half just talking about Swoozy Kurtz films, right, Like, all
I want to do is talk about Wildcats right now
and slapshot, and I know I don't have time to
do that. Yeah, sure, I would love to get a
new beer and then come back for notes. Right, We're
done with with IMDb, right, yep. So what you're drinking, buddy.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
I'm about to finish one Hams start a second? How
about you?

Speaker 4 (42:30):
I was drinking a ginger tea trying to limit my sleepiness.
Now I'm drinking a papsper ribbon. So the only twelve
pack I can get for less than ten dollars in
this ten I can drink it, and it's really not
that bad. It's really not bad at.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
All, not really just somewhere from Hams.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
No, it's very much in the Hams universe or the
near Gansett.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
Of course, I can still get a thirty pack of
Hams for fifteen bucks.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Yeah, like usually I can get that's a bad day.
By the way, I can get Ganset for like, I
don't know, twelve ninety nine. That's kind of what I
expect to pay for it at most places for twelve packs.
But I was at this grocery store fifteen ninety nine.
Fuck that.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Fuck. We need to have a title. We need to
have like a title music for Adam's Grocery Store Adam
Adam's Tripped to the Grocery Store, brought to you.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
By But I made chili today, so I had to
get some. I had to get some dried chilis. And
it is one of the indignities I've had to suffer
since leaving Texas is I can't just get like a
wide selection of dried chilies at every grocery store, So
I have to.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Got like two, maybe three.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Yeah, and even to get those, I have to like
travel to not my usual store.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Life is a struggle for all of us, and we
all have to figure out our way through through the mess. Now.
Josh and I, before we started recording, we were kind
of discussing what the fuck is an assistant corporation Council
and why is this person prosecuting this case? And Josh
flippant least well, I said, this is one of the
rare times I'd probably rather have Michayla McManus playing Ada

(44:01):
gray Lick prosecuting the case, because at least that would
make sense, rather than having this woman that we've never
seen before being more or less a kind of principal
character in the show. And kind of from the perspective
of one of the main characters. And so I did
a little bit of research.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Probably while I was doing while I was reading the
very long recap or going over IMDb.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Nos exactly, Josh mentioned, oh, she's probably fired by then,
and sure enough, yeah, she had been mcmallly. McManus's run
ended as episode fifteen of season ten. That's when they
brought back Stephanie Marschka. But Stephanie March was not full
time until season eleven again, so I imagine it was
probably a scheduling thing with I think she was still

(44:41):
doing Conviction at that point.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Uh No, I think Convictions was that earlier Conviction ran
in I think two thousand and five.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Okay, okay, I'll double check. But anyways, I looked at
the production numbers. They're all sequential, so it wasn't that
it had to be some other reason why they why
they tried to Conviction.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
It was two thousand and six, so it was there
living well, it says two thousand and sixty two thousand
and nine, but it's only sixteen episodes, so I don't
know why it says weird. Maybe a canceled episode dropped
somehow later, so it's two thousand and six.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Okay, yeah, but Stephanie March was back by the second
half of the season, and Neil bhar doesn't exactly have
the you know, it's it's diplomatic, but it's not exactly
the thing you want the showrunner to be saying about
you as an actor. Contract on the quote, but it's
something along the lines of there are times when an
actor and a character do not match up, and it's

(45:33):
not a great thing to hear that was the case.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, but still a little weird to have Melinda magras
as kind of standing in for a you know what
we would expect Stephanie Marsh to be doing, or you.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Know, sure, it's really just like, hey, can we get
a lawyer for the state in here that is giving
off as strong Donnelly vibes.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
As possible exactly. We want Donnelly, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
We want young, we want young hotter Angela, and.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
We want her to fuck up the case instantly, which yes,
because holy shit.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah all right, So diving into the episode, we're clearly
meant to take his kissing her against the locker as
aggressive because the music cues and sound design of the
opening moments of the episode definitely inform how we feel
about him. She's kind of slammed against the locker, like
it feels loud, and then the music cues are aggressive.
The sound is sort of like coming at you in

(46:31):
a weird way, like we're supposed to be almost in
her point of view. But obviously the show is still
SVU and it's still verite, so you're never gonna get
POV shots or anything.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
But if the lens isn't actually POV, there is definitely
a perspective, sure, because there's kind of this like hallucinatory
moment where she's spinning around seeing all the people making
fun of her, and it's very on SVU, the whole
cold open, you know, the way we're kind of seeing
all these people they're all gonna laugh at you. They're
all gonna laugh at you, kind of thing. I enjoyed it.
I like that a lot. Kids suck, But this episode

(47:01):
kind of slaps for the first fifteen minutes. It's very
strange right out the gate with the with the way
this camera.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
With all of that, and then the weird like, oh wow,
she is bad at walking, and just downstairs.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Exactly nobody pushes there nobody like does anything to her.
She's just like no, no.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
No, no, she misses a step oh man.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
And then my notes really start with her dad, because.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yeah, it's established that someone's been abusing, she.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Has healed wounds. They go back, but there's doctor blacklist
tells us this, yeah exactly, but there's lots of them,
and they go back. She's hematomas and broken ribs and
shit like that. So of course obviously they talk to
the parents first, and it turns out dad was a
senior VP at Lehman Brothers. And this being two thousand
and nine means that that's supposed to be the bankrupt Yeah,

(47:54):
their ship was bankrupt. But also we're supposed to kind
of like, I think we're supposed to sympathize with this guy,
Like I don't give a shit about a guy who
is a senior vice president at a major investment firm, Like,
who gives his shit?

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Like what you're trying to tell me he doesn't have
enough money to still send his kid to a fucking
prep school exactly. For listeners who don't remember, Layman Brothers
was the fourth largest investment bank in the US. In
two thousand and eight, they became the largest bankruptcy filing
in US history after they helped set off a sublind
mortgage crisis, the second economic collapse of Adam and my

(48:25):
adult lives.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Yeah, well the problem is, right, we should have let
several other businesses in that same industry go bankrupt and
we didn't.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Maybe some people should have gone to jail, right.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
At least one person maybe should have gone to jail. Yep,
maybe two. Dad goes hard on the vending machine. Josh like,
oh yeah, real hard.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Like he may not hit her, but he beat the
fuck out of that machine. Also, like, so is that one?

Speaker 4 (48:48):
That was one take? Right? They were just like, yeah,
there's no way they need you to go really hard.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah, we need to fuck this shit up.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
We want eleven. Did he break his hand in that?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I don't know, man, And it was one take right,
Like it was him turning around and beating He must box,
I don't know, or or maybe maybe it's just I
bet it's as the world turn hands or just like stronger.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
So it's like, yeah, we trained for that. Yeah, yeah,
daytime for that.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
He also he has his own He bought like a
warehouse space or something and built his own stage there
like a three camera stage that he rents out for money.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
Weird, that's nice.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
Good on him. Yeah, sorry, that was a weird, Like
I forgot to put it into the thing and then
I was like, oh, yeah that guy, Yeah he does
that anyway. The parents sure don't like Steve. I don't
like Steve. I can't remember if I said this before
we were recording, but he has real Sean from De
Grassy Vibes looks wise. Yeah, but he's totally a rick,
which means that if he didn't go down for this,

(49:47):
he'd probably have shot this school's drake in a school shooting.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
What I also don't like is how much how much
Steve skin they show in the swim team.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yeah. Not not okay with that. I don't need to
see speedo Steve as they later call him down. Man.
I hope he's of age two. I'm not going to
look him up.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
No, I didn't look that up. It wasn't listed on
his IMDb page, and I didn't care to go any
further than that. Now, this is our first introy into
the Stucky verse in Munch of My Benson. It's not
exactly my forte, but I feel like hair and makeup
maybe you need an extra segment with Stucky because he
was real sweaty looking. They need the powder his forehead. Man,

(50:31):
he's greased up.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yeah, there's weird stuff going on with Stucky. Obviously, we
didn't talk. I don't want to spoil it for people
who haven't seen the episode. I feel like we actually
just talked about it. But you know, it's one of
those things that could be.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
But we have not watched any of the Stucky episodes. Correct, No,
this is the first one. What I thought. Yeah, but
Josh is right. We will get a lot more Stucky,
but we get a lot of Stucky in this. I
mean there's like, oh no, here's Stucky. He's gonna have
some internet bullshit to tell us about and he does.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
So, how the hell does she go to a boxing
class that no one knows about.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
There's a lot of things like this in this episode.
The boxing class.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Also, the boxing class has nothing to do with anything
in this episode, no other than to serve as like
a minute long red.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Herring exactly one minute long red hearing that leads to
the loudest prison horn that we have heard.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Yeah, so, I mean, obviously, like Rick Edwards, that character
is a real piece of shit. They bring him in.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
The he steals the episode. He's steals the episode. In
my heart, we could.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Just for the bumpers at the beginning and end of
this episode just use their Rick Edward scenes, one scene
to the beginning, one scene at.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
The end, and you wouldn't have to have anything else
and it would still be fun.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Help. So they put him. Finn is letting a large,
large man, extremely gigantic man, a man who.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
Never speaks, but it's like, no, he speaks, did he speak?

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, he definitely plays up this whole angle.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
But he's like looming over him and his hallbald head
and very wide shoulders.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah, like six' five two eighty could probably be a
stunt double for The, rock you, know if if he
was wearing a. Jacket finn is putting him into holding
And elliott is Bringing Rick, edwards who you know is
a boxer but not going to be able to hold
his own against someone who looks like.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
He's this guy's like a bantam. Weight he's he's he's.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Probably, cruiserweight but yeah he's not bas big and he's
he's not super heavyweight and looks like a super heavyweight
fighter like Little pete looks like he could FIGHT ufc
in the old, days where, like, uh he looks like
he could Fight Paul.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Varlin's it looks like he could like you, Know curl
Fucking sloth from The. Goonies you, know he's a large,
man like he's staring down at The, predator you know for.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Sure so they Put Rick edwards in the cell with,
him And elliott asks what this guy's in, for And finn,
says this is Little. Pete he raped a thirteen year old. Boy,

(53:30):
like this isn't even a prison rape. Taunt this is
straight up a holding cell rape, Taunts like that's gonna
happen out in the, open and there's nothing he can
do about, it. Apparently so, yeah he. Comes he says
like he didn't do. Anything he was just trying to.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Apologize this is a guy who's also been kicked in
the nuts By elliott already in this.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Episode oh, yeah that scene was. GREAT i mean he
did try to hit, him sure. Did like he took a,
Swing elliott deflected the punch that he threw and kicked
him with the jug and then he's like that's not,
fair And elliott's, LIKE i thought it was a street.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Fight nothing about the boxing makes, Sense. Okay for one,
thing it's a solid like two miles away from her,
school WHICH i assume is fairly close to her. House
why is she going to a boxing gym By Madison
Square park when she goes to school like by The Lincoln.
CENTER i, looked there's like plenty of there's A ymca
right around the.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Corner maybe this is the only one that would let
her train without telling her parents or without parental.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Permissions, Sol so you don't think The kraft Macgoth center
Of New york with letter letter Tray.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Well In New york is at explicitly For israelis Like Exsraeli.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
National it's, True, yeah it's.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Possible so this is her first brush was stucky first.
Glance Noel fisher seems way too young to me to
be playing A csu. Tech but he's twenty five years
so what DO i. KNOW i, mean he doesn't look
twenty five at. All he looks. Seventeen but he.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Definitely has a STRONG ncis franchise role player s fiel to, me, LIKE.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
I, mean to, me it's, shameless but Because i've seen
him in like one hundred, episodes.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Shameless but If i'm trying, to, like you, know take
him out of of anything That i've seen him, In
LIKE i could see him as the love interest of
the goth girl ON. Cis you know that's.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Okay of Polypart she is much older than.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Him, sure but still that's the kind of character he.
Is or you, know he's like an irreverent kind of.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Text Because i'm pretty sure she's fifty.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Criminal minds she's fifty years.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Old, yeah she's way older than you think She's, wow
she presented At Hero Dog awards a bunch of.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Times. Wow nice but. Stucky, man he's.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Sweaty he's also really really hyped up about all of.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
This, stuff and he's he's. Googling he googles really. Fast.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
YEAH i do wonder if that's not something THAT i
was going to comment, about like how it's too fast
and he couldn't have done. That but THEN i, thought,
well he already knew what phone number she texted it,
to so.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
He might have looked it up ahead of. Time. Yeah,
Yeah or he's got some sort of like talk to
text thing going on that h that.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Just Auto google's everything what's going? On so it is really.
Weird to me That stabler seems to not know what sexting.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Is considering who his daughters, are.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Yeah and what his job is. Like the first time
sexting was used in print was in two thousand and,
five so like four years before. This it was definitely
in the cultural zeitcheis by, then especially considering snapchat was
definitely a thing by two thousand and, nine because there
were already studies being done about minors sexting in two
thousand and, nine so this shouldn't be a term that
he's unfamiliar.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
With.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah Then stucky says that this girl is smoking hot
and the character's. Fifteen, hey, els how's?

Speaker 4 (56:37):
It?

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Hey what do you?

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Got?

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Stucky and updated four when one on the stuff THAT
i pulled out Of Kim garnett's.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
School, lock which he neglected to forward To teru as, Instructed.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Well, YEAH i took a little peekaboo, myself AND i
figured you'd want to take a look at what was
on here. Asap your victim has been, sexting, Sexting, yeah
sending nude photos of her cell, phone her cell. PHONE i,
mean this girl is smoking hot on the. PHONE i love, You,
Yeah and there's lots more full frontal close ups of,

(57:06):
stuff and judgn't by the amount of hate. Mail Kim,
God i'd say someone probably viraled those picks to her whole.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
School So stucky thinks of this fifteen year old's smoke
and hot and tells AN spu detective.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
This so we only see one photo of the, card
but he's seen all of. Them he's seen all the,
photos and he explicitly mentions spread eagle on a computer,
screen which is implying quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
There, well he said full frontal.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Too, yeah but the photo we do, see and we
see it like four. Times it's the worst photoshop Job
i've seen in the course of a Munch My benson watch,
through which is saying quite a bit Because, okay you
see her, shoulders her bare, shoulders and her head looking. Forward,
sure and she's supposed to be laying on a, bed.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
On her stomach on a.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Bed yeah, Yeah so for one, thing you don't see
past her shoulders on her torso at. All you just
see these legs that are clearly not her, legs or
at least not the legs that were taken in the same, photograph.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Because she's not seven feet tall at a.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Strange angle that are much smaller than they ought to. Be,
yeah like if she's lame, there.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Well because they're they're so far, away she's seven feet. Tall,
YEAH i.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Mean but they're also just like at this funny, angle
the lighting is all. Wrong it's terrible, shit and it's
clearly because they probably had.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Like a they had her for two days and well.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
They probably had like a headshot of her wearing oh, yeah,
yeah like a strapless dress or something like, that like
something where you couldn't see clothes on her shoulders or
just photoshop that.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Out but they did a decent, job and they just,
like give me some, LEGS i need legs and threw
that together legs.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Step they're using viral as a verb in this.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
Episode it upset me so.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Much it's so, Weird, like you don't viral out, something
something goes. Viral it's not a, verb it's an adjective.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Exactly you think in two thousand and, nine they don't
know how this shit. Works they didn't everybody have a
smaraphone in two Thousand it.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Doesn't, know like how how is everyone on set and
so disconnected that no one raises a hand and, says,
hey no one says.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
THAT i, MEAN i get, that Like Neil bear's old
or whatever and comes from a different, era but it's
not that, old But i'm still but. Whatever he comes
from a different. Era he grew up in a different.
World but the people he has on, staff like, writing
they have to be younger than, him, Right isn't that
how it works usually In Dick?

Speaker 3 (59:17):
World dick? World In, dickworld who.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Knows but it's good to see That kathleen isn't swinging
from a pole.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Anymore, Yeah, wow you're really jumping.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
OUT i guess.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
SO i liked When stabley said you sex, me stucky your.
Toast then they're in a you, know csu land and.
Stuck he takes them to phone fake dot com and
that site looks like absolute. Shit it is hot garbage
like that site looks like it was designed in two.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Thousand do you know, What, josh do you know what
that looks? Like? Though that looks like the original randomizer
THAT i was using for, This, yeah which was clearly
designed in two thousand and, one or it'd have to
put in like one two at that point point four
hundred and seventy, seven because that's how many episodes were.
Available but, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
That was such a cumbersome or deal every. Time, yeah
like we edited out most of the bullshit that went into.
That it would take us three minutes to figure out
what the episode was because you'd go there and then
we'd have to scroll through the. Episodes then we'd have
to find a passable version of a synopsis that we
could read. Off, anyway why would phone fake have a library?

(01:00:24):
Tab and also why wouldn't the place your spoof called
tab just be the? Homepage it is the fifth?

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Tab maybe what were the other? TABS i didn't EVEN
i didn't pause that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
One it was home library something else that made? Sense
what's on the Home maybe there are four tabs it
should be you'd think that would be the. Hometab so
then O'Halloran, says in other, words, stuck he's wasting her time.
Again when they basically realized that the spoofing just tells
them that they can't find, them.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
They basically are Treating stucky the way they were Treating
careesi in The undercover The Undercover mother.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Episode, yeah of course o'hallerin just doesn't know he's poking
the bear. Here, yeah so we know it's, circumstantial but it's.
Solid it all points To. Ethan stablish says this After
finn shows him the, Folder but did it it looks
like it's not that solid at. All it's one of
those situations where the barriers Mister rex MAKE svu all

(01:01:25):
of them look like bad. Cops stabler seems certain It's
ethan based On finn's dubiously obtained school, records and Then
ethan is really not giving off the vibes of someone
who would hit a.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
Girl, No ethan comes off as a very, conscientious nerdy theater,
dork as he, says WHICH i was looking to see
if we got a little smirk From maloney at, that
Because stabler plays as The. Steve BUT i wonder if
Young christopher was more The. Ethan you, KNOW i don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Know his high school pictures are pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Dope, yeah don't tell me you've seen this rock hard
ass cheeks From it's, cool all.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Right So Samantha copeland comes in and you, know pretty
much instantly and pulling really awful shit with a Whole,
oh we'll just charge her with possession and distribution to
child pornograph you to get her to fucking turn on her.
Abuser so at.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
This, point we're approximately minute twenty in the episode When
coplan walks, in and it's just like you're traveling on
the highway and you're in a standard transmission vehicle and
you're traveling on the highway doing like seventy five and fifth,
gear and you just drop it into second gear with
fairly even. Shifting you are grinding gears and it just.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Dies screeches to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Him, yeah it comes back, later but it dies right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Now. Yeah, yeah there's like a solid ten minutes, like Oh,
JESUS i guess that's all to lull us into a
false sense of, complacency only to have the fucking like
the judge turn just floor. You it hit me a
lot harder AFTER i watched the fucking documentary, TOO i
bet LIKE i Watched kids For, cash and it is.
Bleak you're seeing all of these kids whose lives were,

(01:03:08):
ruined a mom who sort of famously like Confronted chivarella
on the courthouse steps after he was sentenced and told
him that he was going to rot in. Hell. Yeah,
yeah rough, stuff much rougher when you see the actual
case and then you see.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
This then Then goldiehan's mother from, wildcats.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
So she when they get in the judges, chamber she
Invokes Potter, stewart you, know the whole no. Pornography WHEN
i SEE i think that's at least the second time
In monstery that that's been. Invoked craigan then goes Full
puritan here in that weird like aside that he And
live have where he's kind of taking her to task

(01:03:49):
for siding with the defense when the prosecution is clearly
pulling some.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Bullshit whatever Fucking mlissa McGraw is doing here is, dumb
like this is something that we've seen backfire on them
time and time again where they try to go after
the victim in order to get them to give up the.
Goose and it, sucks, yeah a. Lot and even though
this girl does not like have to spend years in,
jail she's still be processed and go through a horrific

(01:04:16):
nightmare because she fell down the stairs because she Sent
ethan A spredegel.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Pick, YEAH i, MEAN i guess it's because she sent
it To. Ethan but you, Know ethan didn't do anything with.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
It, No, steve, OH i bet he did something with,
it but.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yeah probably. Whatever you, Know ethan's a fifteen year. Old it's.
Fine fifteen year olds can see other fifteen year olds.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Naked it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Anyway so the judge then Puts cam in contempt of
court when she won't name her, assailant And copeland's please
just paunch, here, like, oh at least.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
She's going to be saved that, day and she's going
to give it up after one night in, JAIL i know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
It, Well then we Get.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
Kathleen's then we Get kathleen. Again kathleen walks in and you're,
like how Does stabler still hold these views when we
Were if you had been WATCHING spu straight, through you've
seen a lot of fucking bullshit With.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
KATHLEEN i really can't believe we're almost one hundred episodes
in and we still haven't hit A kathleen drama story
or A rowlins family.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
Episode, dude it's the sort Of rowlins, damacles you. Know, yeah,
yeah the sort of it's gonna hit us pretty fucking. Hard.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
Man So kathleen comes in and says she's glad she
was in, jail and then she tells.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Us a lot of shit about her her antics. Too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Yeah, Yeah so, like if you haven't seen A kathleen
awful backstory. Episode she breaks down a lot of it
in like three. Sentences it's too too bad that pack
story didn't happen off. Screen so then Then kim says
that Fucko steve slapped her for ruining his new shirt
when she spilled punch at a party on. Him, man
this guy really.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Sucks dislocated her shoulder and broke. Ribs, yeah spilled.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Punch if that's gonna set you, off you should just
be put down.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Now, yeah no, shit, man leave it in the, pool Bro, YEAH.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
I wish someone had swim fan. Him Then steve gets
this cuff slapped. On she testifies mostly an offscreen dialogue
over his, arrest Which i've kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Liked there were certain things that they did here BECAUSE
i think to get to the, point, yeah they had
to do it a lot thirty minutes, in they had
to do a lot of shorthand with the rest of.
IT i don't know. Why they've really kind of hit
the skids with, that kind of like mid act court sure,
proceedings which, sucks but then it gets not at thirty minutes.
In it takes a very absurd left turn because we

(01:06:37):
have a Bespeckled stabler going undercover in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
COURT i mean when he's wearing anytime you see him in,
glasses you. Know but, yeah he's going to fuck up a. Judge, Okay,
Okay so the judge throws a curve, ball doesn't, grant
does not grant the defense's motion to dismiss the, charges
which the state is completely on board. With by the,
way both of them are, like we're. Good everything we've
needed to do here is. Done and then she tells

(01:07:01):
both lawyers there are closing arguments and go screw and
Sends kim off To, Wellsburg, ohio which does not, exist
but there is A, Wellsburg West virginia just over the.
Border in The, PANHAN i.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Can't imagine the conviction would stand up upon. Appeal but
at the same, time WHAT i can believe, Less SO
i don't believe that she's necessarily in The New York
Supreme Court house that we normally, see, Right so it's
not Where elliott goes every other episode that we see
him in probably once a. Week if you were a real,
person he'd be in there doing something.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Heavy, well the first office for the family courts and
a separate, Building So i'm assuming Family court is a
separate building, entirely, RIGHT i.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
Believe, So, however we have SEEN spu go to Family
court a, lot so.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
You're not and it usually looks more like it's in
a strip.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Mall, yeah but you're not telling me that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
It's a community college. Classroom is what it looks like
in family.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Care, sure but my incredulity is that a judge who
is in the courthouse every day of their job would
not LIKE recogni eyes the cops that are going, Through
like the cops all know the guy the metal detector,
eyes and they're talking to, them and they probably wave
to the other attorneys and the other. Judges she would

(01:08:12):
have Seen Elliott stabler at least once walk through the,
courthouse and she would not be falling for his bespecaled.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Dash she might have only been looking at his, buns
though she might have just been looking at his his sweet,
ass like you can get hypnotized by his.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
ASS i, MEAN i think all Of america knows that
at this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Point everyone's seen every picture On twitter Of Chris malini's, ass.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
But that you Have maloney wearing, glasses you can roll
off of his. Ass, YEAH i, mean you could brounce
like a dumbbell off his. Ass but you got Like
George wong And elliott. UNDERCOVER i love. It it's And, Craig, No.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Craigan Was craigan was playing his. Dad craigan was Playing
Ezra miller's. Dad and he, said, son be quiet like.
That that's what. Happened there are three members of THE
svu team undercover in this court, room and.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
Then as well as a drama school.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Kid but he stands up and tells, her, no she's
the one who's got under. Arrested has she actually done
anything that's inarguably an arresting?

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Offense, well, okay for one, thing typically in this, country
THE fbi is investigating public corruption on a large. Scale
now they.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Do that's a justice.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Department she do havelong, there so that kind.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Of maybe that's their. Cover, yeah that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Kind of like slides over that. One BUT i mean
he did sort of like give her a big pile
of cash and she sort of did ask for it
kind of. Explicitly so maybe that's the implied quid pro
quo that she's been arrested. For but this would be
an entire season Of.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
The wire or Of Organized. Christ, yeah, yeah, Okay so
when they're in the clerk's, office the phone zones are
pretty much being used in the background in every.

Speaker 4 (01:10:02):
Shot NICE i did not notice that because.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Man genie gets on the phone and calls her immediately
to tell her that people are asking for her, records
and then he gets the order to like cock block,
them and then in the, background then she calls the
junior clerk or whatever she calls him and tells him
to tell them to come to her.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
CHAMBERS i, mean it's kind of, weird like the little
mission That benson goes on With. Alex Alex. Kingston, YEAH
i want to call Her Alex, english but, No Yeah Alex.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Kingston, yeah she could probably throw a baseball Exactly english.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Exactly she Is english, though, yes oh And. GERMAN i
Love kragan savoring lives imprisonment when he goes to bail them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Out, yeah that is. Funny but he waiting For sprance
After i'm done savoring the moment this is your.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Books, yeah he's very.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
SUPPORTIVE i know that they're having to go so fast
and burn so much, exposition But i'm just a little
confused at how this corruption, Works like it seems to
be a little convenient that it's like her, cousin her
cousin In ohio is getting A New York Family court
judge to ship her truancy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Cases, yeah In, pennsylvania all of those cases were you,
know in.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Market, yeah and it's like a smaller. Jurisdiction and the
guy also is like has a shady dealing with like
the what was it the board of the prison company
or something along those, lines or he had some kind
of status with.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Them basically he was able to control the purse strings
to ensure that they'd have. PRISONERS i don't know that
he was involved in okaying the construction of the private
facility BECAUSE i don't think that would fall under his.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Purview, yeah But Swuzzy kurtz has the balls to lock
up these sexters and for, that she's going. Down.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Man she had the temerity to go after a girl
sexting a photo to her, abuser.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
A fake photo to her.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Abuser, yeah although that's bretty, eagle one's probably.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Not can we rank this, Episode, Josh we've been talking
for a little, while and do you got?

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
ANYTHING i just want to. Ask mangini's angle is to
get That mercedes and a condo And boca.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
So a seven figure condo In, boca a Sweet mercedes
that he parks right by the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Cord if you've got the money for, that Why?

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
BOCA i mean maybe he's looking to, retire you, know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
But rat's, mouth you couldn't go To, LIKE i don't,
know it just just seems like if you have the
money for that, condo you have the money for a
condo and somewhere better Than, boca or even In, florida
Like boca's, really or.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
You get a better condo in Like destin or something
right like, sure you, know like like like sack up
and just deal With Gulf. Shores you Go Redneck. Riviera
you get a lot more bang for your buck over.
There you, know get yourself a canal. House beaches are,
beautiful your money goes along. Ways you, know you can
ride a golf cart on major freeways. There i'm pretty

(01:12:47):
sure it's got everything you. Need we always rank these.
Episodes of, course we have four criteria on which we
judge every episode OF, svu which we will eventually have.
Watched we're kind of come up with a composite, score
and that is based on the guest, stars the overall

(01:13:08):
quality of the, episode how problematic it, was and the
depth and breadth of lives ruined throughout the course of the.
Episode SO i guess let's just start with the. Quality.
Josh it is, uneven but when it is, good it
is a lot of. Fun. YEAH i don't know that
it's ever like. Great you, know it's not good in
the way The Fred savage episode was. Good you, know

(01:13:29):
that one's actually like really pretty. Good this one is
kind of, bonkers but it's. Fun.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
YEAH i think we're probably looking at us six. Here,
yeah there's a solid ten minute that's just like that is.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Bad, yeah that is pretty. Bad it's pretty. Brutal but,
yeah six is. Good and we were kind of even
underselling that that boxing scene is such a random thing
that doesn't need to, happen and yet is such a
source of. Delight it's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Delightful.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Yeah so the, Guests, josh we have a lot of
people in this. Episode, YEAH i don't know that any
of them are are. Fantastic they're not, bad.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
But there are a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
Them there are a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Them probably another like, six, RIGHT i.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
GUESS i Mean Spoozy kurtz.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Is jesus odious as we wanted to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Be, yeah she's the unlikable hanging. Judge Ezra miller is
the nerdy drama kid that he that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
He's probably was at that point that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
They're supposed to be in exactly was Then melinda.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
McGraw it's one of those thankless episodes also for that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
CHARACTER i don't, know, MAN i think six is too
high for. THIS i think it's a five because if
we think about, it, like who has the most to
do Is melinda, McGraw, right and the Girl i've already
forgotten the actress's, Name Carl. Schroder, Yeah carl. SURE i don't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
KNOW i didn't Think Carli schroeder was a good. Either
i'm fine with the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
Phone. Yeah this next, one it definitely ranks highly on,
though because it is very problematic Between stucky talking about
how hot the spread eagle fifteen year old picks.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Are all of the violence against, Women, Yes, stabler the
kid of the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Boss sabler not knowing what's sexting his prison Rape stabler
And finn directly threatening not even prison, rape, yeah holding cell.
Rape what else we got.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
And Little pete really leaning into.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
It, yeah we've got like fifteen year old low rise
speedo that we kind of freeze frame on for a.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Second, YEAH i, MEAN i feel confident in saying that
he's probably, twenty but that still doesn't make me feel
okay about.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
It the whole cold open with the you, know with
every kid in school talking about how they seem What
steve likes to do to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Her it's not it's not, crazy but it's probably like a.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
Seven, yeah that's exactly WHAT i was. Thinking seven seems.
Great so, okay last, criteria depth and breadth of life's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Ruined so most of them are. Tertiary there are a
lot of. Them because she sent the count was where's?
IT i have? It last year she had sent thirty
three people To, wellsburg and the calendar year of two
thousand and nine she'd sent nineteen so, far so you,
know we're talking about dozens of, kids hundreds of, kids,
yeah that you'd been sending to this facility and it's

(01:16:03):
a real. Thing oh, yeah and needlessly incarcerating children for,
bullshit total, bullshit completely which was happening here and in
the real, case.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
And sending them To ohio of all, places a. Tragedy
and if.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
You're going to make up a, town at least go With, winesburg,
right Not.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
Wellsburg but at the same, time we assume that all
of these convictions are getting, overturned and also we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Them but that's not Gonna it's Not. Gonnase kids were
incarcerated regardless of whether or not that date's.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Expunged But, josh we're viewing this through the lens of
the universe OF svu and as we've already. Seen the
evidence that we've seen in this from Young kathleen is
that being briefly incarcerated is a good thing for young
people because they learn what's good for.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Themselves the kids that are In wellsburg are not briefly,
INCARCERATED i.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
Know so that sucks a, lot but of course they're no.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Bodies BUT i think you're dealing with a calculus that's
more like Juvenile, yeah well that, vein but it is
not as immediate because we're not seeing those, kids you,
know we're seeing the one, blonde white girl that almost went.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
There, yeah, Exactly and for one, thing that kid was
going away for a very long time and we got
to love that, kid. Right so these are people we don't, know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Sure but a lot of, them a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Them but the people we do know that are going
to prison all deserve, it you, Know steve And Swoozy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Kurtz, SURE i think we're probably looking at what six
or seven.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
HERE i think it's got to be a, Six, josh
because all of the problems are off, screen and at
least they.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Are you also didn't see The kids For cash documentary
THAT i.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
WATCHED i did, Not and even though these kids were
institutionalized and are going to be a kind of slave
to the, system we don't exactly know the ins and
outs of that in the universe of this. Episode so,
YEAH i did not watch. That but, man the prison
system is so fucking. Bad what a. Disgrace so that
gives us an overall composite score of a, six Which

(01:17:55):
i'm going to do the old assorting to see what's
around there general. Zone there's a number of, sixes which
is not entirely surprising because that means it's. Decent so
The Timothy Busfield Russian brides that was season, thirteen episode,
seven which we covered in episode thirty. Four it was
A Baige, turtlenick so it really made him look like

(01:18:17):
a human. Penis that was the sixth so was. Remorse
Staten island has its own entire. Language so was. Rage
Matthew modine should have totally been In Red Shoe.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Diaries he should have a stand by that it was.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
Hate which was they really got that kid to do the.
Racism so we've had a lot of sixes and those
are all pretty fun. Ones oh one, more the uh
tramp stamp stoppin frisk that Was Underbelly season, eight episode. Seven,
no never, Mind, god don't listen to, Me Jesus, CHRIST
i can't. Read with that out of the, Way, yeah

(01:18:53):
let's roll the next, One, josh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
We are going over to episode, lol which was built
for this podcast by front of The Pod flat The tapa.
Spinning bill And ted are decidedly displeased with being thrown
around in their phone. Booth and we've got season twenty,
one episode, Eight We dream Of Machine?

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Elves Did PHILIP. K dick write this?

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Episode rollins goes undercover to find a suspect who's drugging
and assaulting, tourists While benson helps the victims sort out
their memories from their. Hallucinations, Weird this one has a
special guest Star Adam. Arkin.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
Interesting, YEAH i don't Know i've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
IT i don't remember. It and it's not that long.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Ago Oh, god there's AN o captain my captain quote in,
This SO i, GUESS i guess we're gonna have to
Rewatch dead Polic society.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
On, oh they play White rabbit in the, Open.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Okay so That's, oh it's A terrence McKenna. Reference it's
A Dmt. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
Yeah machine elves are the mythical creatures perceived by the
users of the psychedelic DRUG.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Dmh, sadly in my younger, DAYS i might have considered
trying to score SOME dmt and experience.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
And watch this. Episode, well you can't really like five.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Minutes, yeah, Exactly but But i've been meaning, to uh
see about dmtul getting hard into the psychedelical.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Lifestyle, no because it only last ten. Minutes that's the
only reason THAT i would.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Think you're looking at that from like an efficiency. PERSPECTIVE
i don't know that. THAT i think it's a fairly
intense ten.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Minutes, Josh, OH i know it's a really intense ten.
Minutes i'm well aware of. That you don't know when
you're gonna come out of this with.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
Acid it's not a big to my time. Compitment, yeah.
Exactly you're not like taking mescalin and it's like three
days later you're naked in a cemetery. Somewhere, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
Understood, yeah and your dick has a film on. It
who knows what that's, from but you probably fucked. Something uh,
WELL i guess we got weird in the last two
minutes of this.

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