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May 7, 2025 52 mins
🎶 Musicians Matters Podcast Series

Episode Title: "Celebrating Music Outros and Honoring the Sound of Bass with Special Focus on Charae Reed"

Hosts: Rodrick L. Swift & Phillip Butler II
Air Date: May 2025
Episode Overview: In this dynamic episode of Musicians Matters, hosts Rodrick L. Swift and Phillip Butler II dive deep into the artistry behind some of music's greatest outros. With a particular spotlight on the legendary bassist Charae Reed, the duo explores how strong outros shape the lasting impact of songs, from gospel to R&B to live jazz performances. They also reflect on the vital role of bass and rhythm sections in crafting unforgettable musical experiences.

Before the musical deep dive, Rodrick reminds listeners to attend the upcoming Drummers United Music and Arts Fest on August 9th at the Gas Station Recording Studio (2270 Losi Road). Tickets are available on Eventbrite or drummersunitedinternational.org.Main Topics Discussed:🎸 Tribute to Charae Reed:
  • Discussing Charae Reed's contributions to gospel music.
  • Highlighting his early standout performance in Joy to the World and the evolution of his dynamic Sunday sessions.
🎶 Importance of Outros:
  • How outros finalize a musical message and emotionally resonate with audiences.
  • The central role of bass and drums in shaping robust song conclusions.
🎵 Hosts' Top 10 Music Outros Countdown: (Listed with enthusiastic commentary and professional insights)
  1. Charae Reed – "Joy to the World" (Christmas Special)
    • Celebrating the anointing and musicianship in his early live performances.
  2. Lloyd Anderson with Candace Moore – "I Want You the Right Way"
    • A soulful reinterpretation featuring masterful bass work.
  3. Kevin Powell with Rufus and Crew – "Be Grateful"
    • Powell's graceful mastery of the B3 organ and his continual excellence.
  4. Charles Williams and the Jazz Trio with Marcus Brown – "Grow Up"
    • Celebrating multi-instrumentalist Marcus Brown and his profound musical journey.
  5. Dr. Ricky Dillard & New G – "I Won't Go Back"
    • Recognizing Dillard's impeccable outro arrangements and choir leadership.
  6. Marvin Sapp – "More Than a Conqueror" (with Calvin Rodgers)
    • Calvin's extraordinary drum arrangements and outro genius.
  7. Bishop Larry Trotter & Sweet Holy Spirit Combined Choirs – "Blessing Me" & "Tell the Devil I'm Back"
    • Double impact: Powerful reprises crafted by the legendary Calvin Rodgers.
  8. Saint Louis Fellowship Choir feat. Marcus Lampkin – "He Keeps On Blessing Me"
    • A vibrant outro showcasing STL's rich gospel tradition.
  9. Richard Smallwood & Vision – "Anthem of Praise"
    • Celebrating classical orchestration and sacred excellence.
  10. Britney Spears (Onyx Hotel Tour) – "You Drive Me Crazy" (Live Outro)
    • Highlighting Teddy Campbell's outstanding live concert drumming energy.
Special Highlights:
  • Shining a light on Chicago and Saint Louis as central hubs for gospel excellence.
  • Personal testimonies on the importance of staying rooted in faith amidst industry challenges.
  • Practical advice to young musicians: Follow the script, be a good listener, stay disciplined, and honor the craft.
  • Upcoming Events Reminder:
  • 🎟️ Don't miss the Drummers United Music and Arts Fest in Las Vegas on August 9th, 2025!
Key Quotes from the Episode:
  • "Once you're locked in with the bass, that's all she wrote." — Rodrick L. Swift
  • "It's not about the tricks; it's about education, placement, and discipline." — Phillip Butler II
  • "When you refresh others, you will be refreshed." — Inspired Reflection from Proverbs 11:25
Special Thanks: 🙏 To Jerry Royce Live, Positive Power XXI Christian Media LLC, and all listeners for their continued support in making this podcast an inspiring platform for musicians everywhere.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
All like welcome to another episode of Music.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Musicians Matters. It's going to be a.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Nice dynamic special on tonight with the music Trands with
Phillop Butler and myself. Let's welcome my brother Philip. What's
going on?

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
And now a whole lot Rod? How you been man?
How you feeling with the latest?

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Your brother's been uh like kicking with his head cut
off on today, but I'm making it. No, I know
you that, Yeah, I know you've been through something like that,
right yeah on this weave. Yeah, we're gonna go through

(01:25):
a nice uh sishing on tonight. We're gonna be talking
about them outros.

Speaker 6 (01:30):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
We're gonna shine a night on cha Read on tonight. Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
Yes, sorry, yes, sir, we we love we love mister
Chara Read and his musical attributes to the music community,
especially in gospel.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yes, yes, yes, yes Chad. You know, he caught me,
you know when he did that uh session with that
that Christmas Joy to the world when he was very young.
You understand what I'm talking about. Yeah, and uh ever

(02:14):
since then, I've been falling scheray uh from the year
years on, you know, the year after year, year after year.
You know, like I look at his Sunday sessions. He
is it's it's it's like a dynamic. You know, it's
like one of the once of a lifetime you want

(02:37):
you when you see him. And once she gets into
that that mold you know, that's all she wrote. You
know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, he want.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
You do want to staying that, bro, because us as drummers,
you know, we look at that bab we once we
were locked in that with that bass, that's all she
That's what we we're looking at.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
You know, this game over when you when you're locked in.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
When you're locked in with that bass, that's all she wrote,
you know, mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (03:19):
And then not only that, you know, that's that's pretty
much basically the meat of any kind of musical selection
is your bass and your drums.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yes, sir, yes, sir, Yes sirs.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
So basically this week, I'm I'm gonna be on a
bass thing. You know, you, I don't know what you
got for your situation, but I got a lot of
bass outtrails, bro, So just get ready.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Okay, all right, all right, I mean you know what,
what what can I say that? That's a little bit.
There's a little bit of bass.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
Uh, I have a little base outros in minds just
a little bit, but not by much though.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Okay, I understand. It's okay with that. It's okay with that,
you know, it's okay. So how was your day on today?

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Bro? I can't complain. It's a little bit rainy.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
It was raining earlier today it just stopped raining, to
be honest with you. And looking outside it's pretty cloudy
and gray.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah. We was going through with that yesterday and the
day before that it was like two days of rain
and then all of a sudden, he would go with
that ninety five to one hundred degrees of weather. Again,
you was out here before?

Speaker 6 (04:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, I missing that type of weather. But
I don't miss being out there, but I missed that
type of weather.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
And yeah, because like like last last night, it was
kind of gloomy and then you can see them clouds
like crazy. You could see them rain and it was
like basically raining NonStop. We got like four I think
four point nine the.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Set I've never known for Vegas to rain.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, it was. It was raining hard last night. It
was raining hard last night and they before and and
that was not good, especially me going to the Aces
game on last night and it's and it was raining.
Shot up to them. Aces. Asia was looked that team,

(05:50):
you know, the team Las Vegas Aces won again, you
know they first game. That was an awesome experience just
to be there at the michelob Arena. You know what
I'm saying. In Las Vegas. I've been following the Las
Vegas Ages and the ass they ain't no joke.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Now what now, what team is this?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
This is the Las Vegas Aces, Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Las Vegas like.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Basketball w n b A yes, oh okay, Yeah, she came.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
From She came from South Carolina actually Asian will.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
Oh okay, shout out to her and her contributions.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, and she uh m v P. She she's been
that for the past three years and she's been breaking
golds like left and right.

Speaker 6 (06:58):
That's what it's all about. Breaking them good old goals.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, so yeah, so yeah, starts off to the team.
On the last night we won again the first team
w n B A and Las Vegas. I'm doing it
like less and right, you know, and I'm very excited

(07:25):
for Las Vegas and what Las Vegas is bringing to
the attributes of this city. You know, it's kind of
a bittersweet, but I'm thankful for for what God is
doing in my life.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
For me to say publicly, but I'm just thankful for
what God is doing, what my products, with my ministry,
with whatever God is set before me, you know, you know,
And I'm just thankful, grateful for what He's what he's doing,
and what he's about to do.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Hey, man to that.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
Man, I'm excited. I'm still waiting for my autograph, so
you feel me.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yes, no, yes, sir, you'll get it August night on
the drum Clinic. You'll get it at the at the
drum Clinic when you show up when you're the guy
think you recording studio. I make sure that you would
get at least the signature sticks and an autograph from
uh myself, and make sure you give me your autograph

(08:44):
when you you come in.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Too, Okay? That that that a word.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Don't pop in no limousine, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Oh my man, I can't. No, man, I ain't like that.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
I probably gonna pop in, you know, old driving a
chabby cruise or a little Toyota knowing me.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
No limousines. Bro, you're good for limousines. I'm gonna let
you know that. I know, I know you your style,
You're good for limousines. So don't pop in the limousines now.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
No, I want, I want. I won't do y'all like that. Man,
I won't. I won't do you like that. Man, I problemise,
I will. I'll be on my best behavior.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Yes sir, Yes sir, Yes sir, yes sir. So it's
gonna be at twenty two seventy Loci Road at twelve noon.
It's gonna be at on August the ninth. It's event bright.

(09:51):
It's gonna be at the Gas Station Recording Studio. You
we're gonna have a lot of drum much, a lot
of musicstans there that's gonna gonna be given their craft there.
And it's going to be a show and a session

(10:12):
that you will not you know, I want to miss.
So I expect everybody that's listening to to this Dymynamic
Possession on today to be there August to night at

(10:32):
the Gas Station Recording studio. So, my brother, let's start
on this session on tonight with the top ten.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
The top ten Top ten algos What what you got?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
My first one?

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Like I was talking to.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
You earlier, Chara Raids reads Joy to the World Christmas song.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
From He's from Shytown.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Basically Chicago's on exactly.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Chicago is owned, I mean regardless, Chicago is owned and
and anything that Charay reads puts his and his mind to.
When he's going space, he's locked in lasts in Oh
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, I love that my shirt I should do.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, I love it. I love that bro, especially when
he's doing his Sunday services or anything that he's doing live.
You know, just just look him up say reads s
h A R A wife and then reads.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Read to be. To be honest with you, you're gonna
want to laugh at me.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
But when I when I saw Charae read, I thought
Charae was a female's name.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
No, you're getting nah, Yes I did.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
I was like a female playing bass like that. Like
I literally thought that it was a woman by the
name of Saray Reid m H. I was like, and
then when I saw sw I'm like, oh, show was say,
that's not That's an incredible haulk playing bass here a
big dude.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
But when he first started, you know, it was like
it was like, oh my goodness, this young man when
he that bass and he was saying that song Joy
to the World, it was like when he was standing up,

(12:59):
you understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
He d.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
That he wasn't sitting down. He was standing up and
that cat he had all you know, you know we
always talk.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
When we always intellect and we talk about preventions and
stuff like that, you know, the commications and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
You know, that's exactly what the experience at Charade was.
I seen that experience like out was at the Junie
Commas Shape Do Commication and the kids was just looking
and listening to Jara as he was playing that bass.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Joy to the World, yep, and we love Joy to
the world.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
Yeah, he brought some joy in the world, all right,
playing that bass.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yes up, Yes up, sir h. Another line, we're talking
about another young man that's a dynamic.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Basis.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
His name is Lloyd Anderson with Kennice Moore. If you've
heard that song I Want You I want you to
want me to the Right Way? You heard that song?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yes? Okay?

Speaker 6 (14:28):
Is that is that? The is that the Marvi Gaze version?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
All? This is a different version.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Basically, it's a different version. This young man is on
this base and he's playing this bass. Why the young
man the young lady is singing. She's singing, I want
you the right way, I want you to want me to.
But she is just like singing like I want you

(15:00):
the right way. Basically, she's just talking. Lloyd is basically
following her and it's like she's all into it and
she's all into it, and it's like, world, I'm telling you,
you need to listen to this song. Go to YouTube

(15:23):
and listen to Lloyd Anderson with Candace More I Want
You the Right Way? Ever on base Lloyd Anderson. It
is l O l O y d E. Anderson with

(15:46):
Candace More c A. N. Bis More on YouTube. Number
eight Okay, pow Yes number eight Kevin Powell with Rufus

(16:11):
and the crew. Again, be grateful we had Kevin Powell,
Like he's been like on our top ten list. For
the past five weeks, he's either been number one, or

(16:32):
in number five, or either number seven. This week he's
number eight. But Kevin Powell with Rufus and the Crew
again be Grateful, and I just love the way Kevin
Powell plays the keys.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
We love them powells.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Oh yes, sir, yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
He plays some.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Keys like it's like there's nothing and the way the
end that that ending, it's.

Speaker 8 (17:04):
Like, okay, he's like Kevin, He's like, I just love
this song. Nothing exactly how you said it. I just
love the song.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Well I have I have.

Speaker 6 (17:21):
I have nothing else to say about the powers because
I mean that the musicalogy is like it's there's no
limit with him. Yes, yeap, no limit. I'm like, wow,

(17:43):
that's that's wild.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
And the trip part about it.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
Kevin when he's on.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
That base, I mean not the base when he's gonna
be three, he's ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (17:58):
The target call it a started singer, and that's what
I call it.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
He got retarded, Okay, I got you retarded fingers Okay.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
El Michearell Bennett, they all that retarded fingers.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yes, fuck David Blakeley.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
He's not exiting. Blakely suck, Yes, suck. Shout out to
David Blakeley. I've seen my big brother on today.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
That was how he's doing.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Oh, he's doing a great he's doing great. It's always
good to run into people that.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
That you really love.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
And that spoke into your life all these years. Fifty
three years. Let's put it like this, he's been in
my life. I'm a say fifty of them.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
I decades that that that's uh, that's a long time.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Five decades long time.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
It's a long time. That's a long time. And and
and and it's it's not what I'm trying to say
is not always uh negative, and it's always positive. Out
of my stroke Blakely mouth. When he's talking to you.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Right right and the.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Things to think about my stroke, he's gonna he's gonna
tell you. He's gonna tell you some good things. He's gonna.
Like when he was talking to uh, the the young
man at uh Jim w A and he was just
getting off the argon and he was like, it's just

(19:49):
talking and he was he was just letting us know,
like uh, when he was playing this one song, the
young man was like, I was talking to you earlier.
He was letting me he was playing a different song.
He was playing the keys. He was playing the keys

(20:10):
and an act he got off the keyboard. The young
man's was like, pay keep on playing. They keep on
playing my show, keep on playing.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
And he was saying, Nah.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
You know, I'm gonna leave us up to you guys,
you know, because uh, I'd have done my time. You know,
That's that's what we always look for. You know, it's
not all about you know, it's not all about taking over.
It's all about learning and showing each other what it's

(20:50):
all about. You know, it's you know, he said, learn
these these uh learning him, Learn them them tracks, learn
them keys, learn everything you know, learn this.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Learn this.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
It's it's gonna get you to the next situation, you know.
So I love you, David. Keep on doing what you're doing, bro,
And you're always good in my book. Bro.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yes, Dave Blakely, Yes.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Sir, yes, sir yes, Sir Number seven, Charles Williams and
the Jazz Trio with my nephew Marcus Brown, and they're doing, uh,
they're doing basically grew up, grew up, grew up basically

(21:49):
and they basically doing a jazz sound.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
I just talked to my.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Nephew Marcus yesterday and he was with the drummage in
the community and I was letting him know. I said, nephew,
you need to listen to the podcast on tomorrow because
your your name is gonna be spreaded all over the world,
even though you already known uh through you know Marcus Brown,

(22:23):
but your name was gonna be spreaded all over the
world because we're gonna put your name on the top. Hand,
he didn't know that. He was already often last week,
you know, so this was not just just uh, but
on yesterday it was put. It was already prepared already

(22:47):
from last week. So it's a blessing just to say,
you know, nephew, and very thankful for what you're doing.
He came to a lot of our and you know,
matter of fact, if you.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Go to.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Our website, you know Germans United Music no excuse Germans
United International dot boy, you will see his picture when
he was a little kid playing with teaching of the
other young man how to play the drums. He plays everything.

(23:29):
He plays the keys and based in runs.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Uh uh.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Multi instrumentalist, he's multi instrumentally. Actually he can play the
bass and the drums at the same time. Wow, have
you seen that with a young man?

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Nope, I haven't.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
I've seen it. Shot south to Marcus.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
Brown, Marcus Brown, Hey, keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Any way to meet you?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah, I hope he makes makes it out to uh
makes it out to the drum Clinic on August nine,
number number six, number six, going back to Shottown. We're
going back to Shottown.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
We're going to Shottown.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
We're going back to Shottown. Doctor Richie Dillon, I won't
go back. I won't go back. That song is ridiculous.
That song is seriously ridiculous, shouts out to me on

(24:56):
the drums in the musician.

Speaker 8 (25:01):
Have you heard that intro?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I mean in the outro that.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Probably heard it once. And then after that I was like, what.

Speaker 6 (25:15):
Ricky Diller's outros is like off the charts?

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yes, yes, because reasons. While I'm saying it, it's like
it's like this, say, for instance, you notice how most
of the churches are trying to bring.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
The choir back.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah, Ricky the master choir master have never left.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Of course it was.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Doctor Rickey Diller has never left everything that Ricky rick
Ricky Diller does.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
It.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
It's like we did clizz.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
I love.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
There's some some some some songs that like touches your
heart like well as far as the slow songs, there's
just one slow song that I like that. Uh we're
talking about outros mm hmm. There was a slow song

(26:25):
that he had done and he had Tambala Man finish it.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
It was like.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Off the change, off the charts and you know, Tamala
Man shots out to Tamila Man. I love me some
Tamila Man too. She about to go on on tour
this year. Actually, hear and mister Brown one of my favorites.

(27:04):
I love him for mister Brown. But they about to
going on tour. They're gonna and her husband, they're both
about to go and do a tour this year's so
he's been looking out for Kamla Matt.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah. Yeah, time a man Yeah oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
So what you got for number five?

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
So I got?

Speaker 6 (27:33):
What I got for number five is Marvin sat more
than a conqueror. Shout out sick, shout out to Calvin
Rodgers for his consciousness.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yess suck it ucks, you know Calvin.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
You know Calvin been in a game for a very
long time. And one thing I can truly say about
Calvin is he's a nice guy away.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
From the kid.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Yes, like he's a very nice guy. Even my interactions
with him on social media, he's he's a he's a
cool guy. So shout outs to, shout outs and the
and tributes to to mister Calvin Rodgers on Marvin SAPs

(28:25):
more than the Conqueror because that the outro, you know,
it reminds me of rain on Us ye by John
p Key, you know, is pretty ridiculous. I know, it
was just it was just so it was it was nuts.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
But Calvin is going is.

Speaker 6 (28:54):
Like he's pretty much putting all drummers in position from
when he retired.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (29:02):
Basically, That's all I could say, Yes exactly, mm hmmm. Right,
so we want to thank mister Calvin Rodgers himself.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 6 (29:19):
So so that was what number five, right, yes, sir, so,
So so we're we're going back to Chicago for the
next two. So we're going back to Chicago. We're going
back to Chicago. So shout outs again to mister Calvin

(29:40):
Rodgers for these two. Bishop Larry Trotter, Sweet Holy Spirit
combined choirs the reprise of Blessing Me and the reprise
of tell the Devil I'm back.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yes, I remember that.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Oh my goodness, I remember Rovin does it. He does
it again when he had here he was doing it.
I remember that. That was a double whammy. That was
a double remember that. Yes, anything Calvin Rogers does, he

(30:23):
puts his heart in it, you know. And I noticed
that he says anything that he does, it's.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Gonna be right.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
For you, right.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
He won't do it at all. That's just like, that's
the way I feel. If it's not right, I won't.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Do it at all. Do it once and do it right, exactly.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
God, that's where the old that's where the old folks
used to tell me, you know, growing up, do it
once and do.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
It right, yes, sir, yes, sir. Yes.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
When I first heard blessing Me, m h like the groove,
I thought that was it. But I was like, well,
like I literally had to get up out of my seat,
like whoa wait a minute, hold up. He literally just

(31:24):
snapped out. He went cuckoo for Coco, went and went
for broke. Ye, he straight went for broke on blessing Me.
That that outro was and then when you thought it
was over, he went right back into it and gave

(31:46):
him some more. And it was like, Okay, I'm done, yes, yes, yeah,
and then tell the devil I'm back. You know that
Fred hav a song let the praise begin?

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yes, yes, it.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
To be honest with you, I don't know, I don't
know who birthed that song, but man, you know everybody
snapped out when you when Calvin you know.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Did it again? Mm hmm did it again? I'm just
oh my, Calvin.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
Really, That's all I could say. That's all I could
think of, Like, really, Calvin, do you really have to
hurt us like this? Man?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I wouldn't. I would not want to play behind him. Man,
I ain't even gonna.

Speaker 5 (32:47):
I like, I will retire everything. I would retire mistakes,
I will retire the drum snare, I will retired even
the throom.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
I'm gonna say I'm done.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
I'm I'm gonna run in front of my bed and
just hide.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
No, bro, I would walk out the door. I would like,
I'd be like, how you can handle that? I'd be like, cow,
you got it, you got it, Cow, you got it.
I'm good. I'm good. I'm in the last steps of

(33:32):
chairs of on the right side of the of the temple.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
So just handle it right exactly.

Speaker 6 (33:45):
Calvin's doing it, you know, Calvin, you know, is pay
is paving the way for it for the youngsters. But
the saying is, but the youngsters need to understand that
all of this, all of this, you know, is not
for show. And you know there's there's there's education behind

(34:11):
what he does. There's rudiments, there's you know, there's rudiments
behind what he does. So for upcoming drummers, it's not
about the licks, it's not about the tricks. It's about
the placements and the educational piece that comes.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
With it, right.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
And uh so so big shout outs to Calvin for
more than a Conqueror On Marvin Stabs album, uh Bishop
Larry Trotter and the Sweet Holy Spirit combined choirs blessing
me and tell the Devil I'm back. Now. We're now,
we're getting ready to take a trip to Saint Louis, Missouri, Missouri.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
That right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
St. Louis, Missouri. Emo's pizza.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
Uh yeah, I love I love pizza. I love besides
my besides my cookies and milk and my uh my
peach Cobbers.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I love pizza exactly.

Speaker 6 (35:26):
Yes, Lord, we give them praise for Yes, what's wrong
with you?

Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yes about right now?

Speaker 6 (35:41):
Yes, yes, yes, and and plenty of oh yes. So
we were So we're going to Saint Louis missoury uh
to where shot shout outs to shout out, oh and

(36:02):
we and we thank him. Laughter is good. Laughter is
like medicine is good for the soul.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yes, it is.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Bro Yes, it is broke.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yes it is yep.

Speaker 6 (36:12):
So shout out to Pastor Levi two King, Pastor Michael Lampkin,
and the Saint Louis Stow Ships Choir. He keeps one
blessing me. Shout outs to Marcus Lampkin on drums, who
is the brother of Pastor Michael Lampkin. Let me tell
you these Lampkin brothers. Oh my, that's all I go.

(36:36):
That's all I gotta say, you know, no joke. Big
shout out to the Lampkin brothers, the Woodie brothers, Levi
two King, uh, who Donald Rice, so many it's so
it's so Joey, Oscar, Jeremy Haynes, the whole like Saint Look,

(37:00):
it's legends.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I'm gonna stop.

Speaker 6 (37:02):
Saying names before I get in trouble, but shout outs
to exactly, Oh, we can't forget the Kelly's, the Kelly
brother shout out to to Kevin Kelly, and you know,
congratulated him on his Grammy UH winning projects with.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
UH gospel recorded artists. Uh is it Zoe Zoe? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Yeah, shout outs to shout outs to him. So that's
the reason why I said I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna
stop calling names because I'm not. I'm not gonna get
no call.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I'm I'm an.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
I'm ignoring my phone calls. Like, hey, you didn't shout us.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Out right exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
That's all you gots.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
That's all you gotta say. But big big shout outs
to to uh, to Saint Louis Stochio. All right, he
keeps on blessing me. Now me, I'm a horn fanatic.
I'm a horn freak when it comes to live music.
And the way they the way they ended that song

(38:13):
with the horns in it, I was like, okay, all right,
anytime I talk with a musician from Saint Louis is
a treat for me, and I love treats.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yes, yes, it's a blessing.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, that's really a blessing. And I know this.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Saint Lewis has some great musicians out there.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yes, oh yes, they sure do. They sure does.

Speaker 6 (38:42):
Their influence, their influences Chicago, because Chicago, you know, is
known for that churchy sound, so they bring low rochy
sound to Saint Louis, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
A big influence hip this out.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
I was just recently them, probably like probably about like
four years ago. I was in Chicago just for a funeral,
just for a funeral, and that sound is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Oh yeah, a funeral.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
It's not a regular service, a funeral.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
It's not. It's not.

Speaker 6 (39:27):
And trust and believe those musicians in Chicago and Saint Louis,
they they take their craft very.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Serious, very serious. Bro, That's what I'm saying. Very shy.
You want to get you know, you know, just you
know the Do you want me to come and bring
you some water?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Do you understand what I'm saying? Do you want me
to come in and you know, serve you right now? Because
you're doing an awful, an amazing job.

Speaker 6 (39:59):
Yes, shout out to all of them. Oh yes, oh yes.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I'm not calling no more names on that one, but yes,
shout out for that.

Speaker 6 (40:08):
Yes, yes, my mind is on peanut butter and chocolate
chip cookies right now. Anyway, So okay, so what well
we have? Okay, so we went to Chicago already. Yeah,
we went to Chicago and we had an awesome time
in Chicago. Shout out to Hero's Chicken and Garags Popcorn,

(40:32):
thank you, and Calvin Rodgers and CHARAE.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Reed and and uh you know who you.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
Are, so and then and then we then we also
had an awesome time in Saint Louis with Sweetie Pies
of course Emo's pizza. Even even white castles, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 8 (40:55):
You know white castles.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
You know you're not. It's only certain white castles where
they ever started at. It's good you know the white
castles out here is not the same I heard from
where they started at.

Speaker 6 (41:17):
Oh yeah, that's yeah. I was while I was in Vegas.
I was scared to eat white castles because I didn't
I'm like man, as much as I like white castles,
I'm passed.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Yeah, I'm a pass.

Speaker 6 (41:36):
I don't want to I like pants for things, but
not this, not not that one.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
No right right because to Fremont.

Speaker 6 (41:48):
Yeah, but I ended up getting pizza at this pizza
spot right next door to uh White Castles, and it
was so good I turned back around and bought, I
mean another slice.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
It was that good.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I got understanding that I know exactly where you went to.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yes, and you got a chance.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
Yeah, oh yes, oh yes, makes you want to have
a praise break? Yes anyway, son man, listen, I ain't
got no sense.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I'm just gonna as you.

Speaker 6 (42:27):
Can see, and as you can tell, I really.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Don't have any.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
It's a great experience, bro, It's a great.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I love it. That's why the show is awesome. And
then thank you.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
For me? No, thank you? No, thank you?

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yes, and then.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
Now let's take a trip to Washington, d C. Okay,
Uh Richard small Wood envision the anthem of praise and
you listen. I love I love live instrumentation. That's just
why I am. But nobody can't pull it off like

(43:14):
Richard Smallwood.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Nobody, no, nobody.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
I mean you know, we we love Kirk Franklin's record,
uh Rebirth, But.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Richard.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
You can't touch Richard Smallwood when it comes to instrumentation.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
He had a whole orchestra.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
That's what I'm about.

Speaker 8 (43:38):
To say, is something about the orchestra right.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
In a church. And then not only that, the.

Speaker 6 (43:48):
Man who does who doesn't answer like the anthem of praise,
like the ending, It wasn't The ending was not difficult.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Quote it was smooth.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
Sweet to the point, made the Lord bless you and
keep it going.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
That's I mean, you know.

Speaker 6 (44:10):
And big shoutouts to the late Jeff Davis Jeff Lowe
Davis for his contributions. You know he is, you know,
he's one of the god the godfathers of gospel drumming.
Jeff Davis, Joel Smith made both of them rest in peace.

(44:31):
And then also we cannot forget about Kevin Bronson from
the Milton Bronson Tompson Community Singers. We cannot forget about him.
He's still kicking, by the way, we love.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
We loved his.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
Contributions as well too. Yes, so big shoutouts to uh,
to the to the late Jeff Davis for his contributions
for anthem or praise. Every time I listen to that,
I'm like, you know, it as as simple and complex
that piece is at the same time, it's not easy.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
It's not.

Speaker 6 (45:07):
And let me tell you'all, drummers, let me tell you'all
drummers something. When you're playing with the live orchestra. You
gotta follow the script.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Yes, I'm gonna laugh with you.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
You got that goes for any that goes for any musician.
You gotta you gotta follow the You gotta follow the
script that has been given to you, or else is
going to cause a train rip. That's why a lot
of musicians can't play behind Richard Smallwood. A lot of
musicians cannot because he's music. He's the daughter is a

(45:54):
musical genius.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
No, no, well, what's that?

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I got an experience to sit in one of his conferences,
and how was that?

Speaker 2 (46:14):
I bet he was.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
I bet he was a booking Navy musician that played
a song.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yes, yes, yes, and he was talking about the situation.
Uh from how you you saying what everything has to
be on point, Everything that you're doing has to be
on point. If it's not on point, everything is gonna

(46:41):
like like you you talked to me, you said the
train is gonna wreck.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Oh yeah, it will wreck.

Speaker 6 (46:48):
And and to be honest with you, I heard I
heard I heard the same similar stories from from other musicians.
When Richard Smallwood came to Kansas City and they he
embarrassed musicians that play this songs wrong.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Mm hmm. That's true.

Speaker 6 (47:19):
I feel and to be honest with you, I want
to say I feel sorry for them, but then again
I really don't.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
No, ain't that wrong?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Okay, because you're and.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
That's that's the number one downfall for every musician, including me.
I'm messed up at this. We don't listen. You gotta
follow the script to be a better listener. You gotta
These are the tools that will help you become a
successful musician. You gotta follow the script. You gotta listen,
and you gotta stay in your lan that's right it

(48:01):
Oh yes, oh yes, we love Amen's all day every day.
Thank thank thank you. Chocolate chip cookies. And then one
one more.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
The doors the doors of the church are open right now.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yes, yes, yes. If you don't have a church home,
you don't have a church home. Ah, okay, all right.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
And and then so so what we're so what we're
going to roll into now? Uh, We're We're we're going
on tour and it's it's from the Britney Spears Live
the Onyx Hotel Tour Live in Miami Back in two
thousand and four you drive me crazy. The outro shout

(48:53):
outs to Teddy Campbell. Yes, yes, sir, yes we we
we love, we love Teddy Campbell, yes sir, and it's kind.
But but to be honest with you, that band, I
was just like, I was just like, oh my.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
That's ridiculous, very ridiculous. Yes, shouts up to him.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yes we we love like.

Speaker 6 (49:29):
No offense to all musicians, but it ain't nothing like
listening to concert bands in the stadium. It hits different,
just like a fresh batch of cookies out there oven
with our cold glass of milk.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
It just hits different. It should. Yes, yes, that's right.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
So is that the number one?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
That was my number one? Awesome, awesome, awesome sauce. Right, Yeah,
we have.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
A great show tonight, Bro, what do you say? Bro?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Listen?

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Man?

Speaker 6 (50:13):
Every time when we get together, it's always something comical,
hilarious and funny. But the main thing, but the very
thing is, you know, everyone gets to laugh and everybody
you know, walks away with helpful information and everybody, I

(50:35):
hope this is very helpful, and I hope it blesses
you like it blessed not.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Just myself, but hopefully it bless you.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Too, bro Yes, sir, always always, And I would like
to thank Chief Engineer Jerry Royce Jerry Roych live tonight
and making this, making this happen, and and believing in

(51:05):
this vision that we are set before you your world.
And it says dignity had always guiden us always through
and it was always oh you always and not always

(51:27):
the easy one, but people I respected most in life
and made it again and again every single day. I
would think Madam Michelle Obama for writing that we are
signing off on a blessing of prosperous day.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
Love piece and chicken bries proutjoy.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Me's what's your swift? And boy do I have to swift?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Saw?

Speaker 1 (51:59):
For thank you musicians.

Speaker 9 (52:01):
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