EP #112 | Rodrick L. Swift & Philip Butler II | Top 10 Drummers

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Join me at your host Roger Swift, and this is
your girl Mother. Welcome to the Take On.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Musicians Matters Podcast four thirty specific Standard time.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Every Wednesday on all digital platforms twenty one Christians Video.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Let's go. Welcome to another session of Musicians Matters on
this night. We're gonna not do the Top ten tonight,
but we're going to have a nice discussion on musicianship.
Let's welcome my co host. What's going on, Philip?

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Now a whole lot? Well, what's the latest with you?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Man?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
You know, I must say it's hot in Kansas City.
What I mean by hod not just you know, temperature wise.
But of course this summer, we have so many things
going on in the Kansas City metro area as far

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as you know, the Kansas the carb Valley, Kansas State
Convention on this week, along with preparing music for the
mass choir for the National Baptist Convention for twenty twenty
five here in Kansas City. On top of plethora of events,

(01:39):
as far as you know, we got the Church of
Guide in Christ International AIM Convention that is going to
take place in Phoenix, Arizona, the first week. The first
week of July, but most likely we have so many
events going on. But all I could say is I'm

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blessed and highly favorite. How about you, Halloween. That's a
blessed blessing to say that some people did not even
wake up to even see this day. But I'm thinking,
guy with you that we are here to even have
this session of the night. Worry about you, my brother. Yes, yes,
I'm very excited for for this topic on tonight, you know,

(02:24):
on true musicianship, what it takes to be a great musician,
you know, especially with all the with with the new
audience being you know, the social media platforms, the internet.
You know, everybody, uh, everybody is quick to pull out

(02:45):
their phones and capture different moments. That's the new audiences.
The phone, it's to be.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's not back in the day, yes, that in a
day like you said, the convocations, we didn't even have
no phones. Yeah they had phones, they had deepers and
stuff like that, but as far as you can go
on like a line, they didn't even have line you know,

(03:17):
broadcast like that, right. I can't even go back to
the back back in those days just to even find
a find a live on me on you know, man.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
And if you do, it'll be like dinosaur age. Be
like dinosaur ages.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
You know, uh so, but I must, I must. I'm
really really interested in wondering, you know, from your from
your standpoint with you being where with your contribution and music,
what was what was the difference between when you grew

(04:03):
up in music versus the music now?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I feel like this the music now, like I was
talking to just a pastor just a few minutes ago.
Uh the church now, they can bring anything in the church.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Back in those days. C C.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Cox, Bishop Pattison, Bishop Bishop ian Well, Bishop c. Caruth Hall,
I'm just giving out the names, Bishop h Nation. Back
in those days, you better know the Lord and you

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better hear his cry and better instead of bringing in
in that other type of music. You know, are is
of those days. Yes we had choir rehearsal. Yes we
had testimony services, but basically the testimony services is what

(05:21):
God has done for you, what he's doing for you
right now, what He is doing at this time, you know,
at that time, you know so far as of the
Junie convocations, that was what I was looking for to
was because that was the days that I was seeing

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my boy's basically we had he's now a pastor, now
Pastor Caruz Hall, that's the late Bishop Hall's son. He's
over Saint Paul Church of God in Christ Now as
we speak in Las Vegas, shouts out to him talking
about uh mean lead guitarist. Uh. He was one of

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the maestros or one of the lee writes that was
playing with us. Then you have Pastor Dwayne Murray. He's
one of the pastors that took over Bishop Mary's Church
in Not Vegas. Dwayne Murray, he's uh one of the

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He's a beast on the drums, and he's a beast
on the bass guitar. And then you got Troy Murray.
He was the beast on the drums back in the days.
Then you had basically maestro himself, David Blakely. He was

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the one that was playing the keys. Now, Uh, Lady
Hall a rest Stoll, I miss her dearly. She was
the church. She was over the ch not seeing she's
basically over the jurisdiction, over the jurisdictional part of the

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basically of Las Vegas. Now Maestro, doctor David Blakely is
over the drudge radiction department fars of that department over
in Vegas. So right now I'm in another city. Right now,
I'm in the South Carolina. It's a different situation right now.

(07:44):
So I'm just finding my things and finding things out
right now. So far as of touching bases with musicians,
I'm just finding trying to find God right now. Yes,
I am doing the ministry that I'm doing right now
with you. But it's blessing to reach over one hundred
and fifty countries as we speak, and we're speaking over

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we can speaking over all of these musicians that wanted
to know about this life that we are living. Yes,
I've been a musician over fifty three years. I started
at the age of three in the Church Phees. They

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don't have Phewes no more, but the Church Hewes of
Vigas View Churches out of Christ that's over nineteen o
sixth Glider Street in Las Vegas, under the leadership of
the late late C. H. C. H. Parson.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
He was a.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Man that did not play far as of leadership. You know,
I learned a lot through him. I had had a
chance to sit under his feet, you know, just to
just and break bread. Basically every Sunday I was at
his house. I'm not at Grandma's house. I was at

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Superintendent's house just to go to the white b w
W and you know, go back to church. But wow,
far as the leadership and musicians that now, back in
those days, I wasn't the type of person to just
hog the drums. But when they save my name, you

(09:45):
better know.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
It's time.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, it's time. Roger Swift is a great musician. And
I'm not the person that you know, say you know,
I'm one of the best musicians. I'm just was a
great servant at those times. Yes, my colleagues back in
the days, we always having jokes and we always can

(10:12):
talk together about musicianship. But when they know, when it
comes to all those old school songs, I was one
of the ones that they would call on. That was
a great feeling, and it was a great situation. And
to say that I had the opportunity, you know, to be.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Called on, and it's always a great feeling just to
get called upon, especially in the Church of God in
parious community. You know. Uh, they're they're known for the
old traditional, you know, kind of national songs like joy bills,

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keep bringing my soul. I know, God is a good God.
I am a soldier in the army of the Evening
of the Lord. My soul loves Jesus. Yes, you know,
so it's it's you know, the KOJC community. I still,
you know, even though I'm still part of the KOJC community.

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Shout out to my pastor, Bishop John Mark Johnson, the
Prelate for Missouri Western second Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction of the Church
of God in Christ. You know, I've noticed that they're
trying to get away from those songs. And those songs

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are the songs, like you said, that you grew up on.
Those are the.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Songs off of the church. Yes, to the roof off
of the church back in those days.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
And and even if and even if he was to
bring that song, bring a song back, I still believe
those traditional congregational songs will to blow the roof off
even to this day.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yes, yes, definitely, yeah, definitely speaking of songs like hymn
like that. Shouts out to Mike Jill David. He has
a song, I mean, an album out with all of
the stars and everything that's old. This girl is called
the Hymno. Oh yeah, I remember I remember that. Yeah

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he did, that was yours back years back, and he's
he's very known with with with the ko Jake and
the basically the conventions, and he's well known all over
this world with as a musician and the Levite. So

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any musician that's want to know anything about keys or whatever,
that's the person to really follow if you want to
learn the keys or learn anything about the the numbers
while you're playing those keys, he's the one to listen to.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yes, and I believe not just Church of God in
Christ as a whole, but you know, the the Hymnos,
the Hymnos in general is what made the church survive
and overcome. The Hymnos has stories. There's a story behind

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each hymnals mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
When when you when you hear Bishop C. H. Mason
sings yes Lord, he's literally telling God, Yes, I can't
do this on my own.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I need you.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
My answer is yes or or even I'm a soldier
in the army of the Lord, which means you know,
somebody has been facing you know, even back in the
day before I before I was even thought of thought
about racism, thought about segregation, there was a time where

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you know black churches, you know, they they endured a
lot yes, and in those in those days, you know
what I'm talking about, you can you probably can talk
touch more about it than I can. I'm just a youngster.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
I had like say, for instance, back in the days,
the church that I was talking to you about, my
asking H administrative Assistant called H. Parson had to go
through a lot from moving from Lake Mead on over

(15:09):
to nineteen oh six Cliders Street and then from nineteen
oh six Glider Streets. It's it's still was going along.
He still was going on through a lot because of
what the parking lot across I mean the casino across
the street or across the parking lot was trying to go.

(15:33):
Give him now now, Back in the days, Vegas View
was the place if there I'm talking about far as
the Church of God in Christ in Las Vegas. Vegas
View and Saint Paul was the place Bishop Hall and

(15:54):
administrative Assistant Parson had those two churches going.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
And on.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Segregation, we was talking about fires segregation. As far as
you know, uh, Pastor Parson when it comes to business,
he knew his business. That's one reason why he had

(16:26):
a lot of people and a lot of ministers come
out of that church. Because that's what he taught was
business and loving his family. And far as the segregation history.
Really people did not know that that church was just

(16:47):
a little church building a circle case it was. It
was just one role. And now as big and there's
a big auditorium, and he took he bought the whole street,
and that that's nothing but business. You don't you understand
what I'm saying. Yeah, now the church, I mean no,

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not the church, but the place that was across the street. Now,
they don't want to give him. They didn't want to
give him the props because of who, who, who he
was and what he did for that community. This young man,
he was principal of her high school. He got his

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master's doctor's degree. My auntie missionary Stellar Parts of Mason.
She got her master's degree, her doctor's degree out of
un R. This is history. She was the first black

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young lady that graduated from the university arena.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
So I was in a great family him and in
this the legacy, the legacy is still still moving to
today through his his nephews, his nieces, his granddaughters, his
grand grandchild, his uh sons and daughters that came out

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of the church, you know, like they they most of
the majority of the passages that came out of that
church all have churches and they still are growing right
now all over this world.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Wow. Now that now that's a blessing.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
That is truly a blessing. That's really a blessing. And
so that means that the great to see that he
was planning in that church is still manifesting through him day.
Even though he's gone, his legacy is still living. And
I'm truly grateful to say I was a part of

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that legacy.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
And that's an honor. It's it's a true it's a
true honor. And just to just to have a lot
of ministers just to come out of one ministry based

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upon business principles, but it also says in the Bible
about taking care of business and conducting h So big
shout outs to to the to the ministers from Vegas
View Church of got a pass right church of church

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and because Vegas View Church.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Man and.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
And the musicians you know that, So I grew up
in Minnesota up under the up under the late Bishop
Stanley Fraser and the musicians that you know I grew
up under, you know, from Billy Steele from sound to

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blackness to yeah yeah, so so just just being even
though I was a youngster, but being able to sit
in the environment where you know, Elder Billy Steele who
was a jurisdictional Minister of music at that time too

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for the state of Minnesota. Just sitting in that atmosphere
as a as a kid, you know, I remember just
so many things, you know, but the main thing was
learning and listening how how musicians play on the jurisdictional

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level versus versus a Sunday morning church. Yes, there was.
Back then, there was structure, and I feel that even
with today, with today's musicians, there's no kind of structure.
Even with the young people coming up, you see more disrespect,

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You see more people feeling shade, people being in their feelings.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yes, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
I remember I remember a time growing up in church
that was about five or six drummers on this Sunday morning.
A drummer plays a song, one drummer plays a song,
one drummer plays an offering. If you play shouting music,
gotcha songs? You know exactly.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Matter of fact, I was the one that was doing
most of the playing for the well, actually it was Michael.
It was Michael Earl, and then after Michael Earl and
then it was me. He you know, I guess he
retired a little bit from the drums and then I

(22:25):
took over. But I was like in the age, I
was still like like eleven to twelve years old, you know. Yeah,
and then from eleven twelve years old, that's where my
career really really started, you know, flourishing from from there.
I can tell you so many people that I played for.

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It's ridiculous. But I'm not the type of person to
just sit there and just just go off and just
you know, say I said, I played for this person,
you know, because God's gonna get the record, get the
worry regardless. But sometimes people need to know where you
came from, where you started at.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
That's basically what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, and shouts out
to Bishop Bronson, the Nevada First Jurors Tradition. He did
nothing but show nothing but love. Bishop Hall, like I

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was telling you, Bishop Hall showed nothing but love. Bishop Murray,
I showed nothing but love to me when I was
back in the days playing for the Durork Tradition in
the Church of God in Christ in the Nevada State jurisdiction.
But you know, you know, things change, you know, you know,

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you know they you know, the young cats come and
take over. But you know, I still have that gear
that God has given me. And that's something that God
will not take away from me. Because if I'm not
playing for the juris tradition, I'm playing for somebody else

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in the studio, or I'm playing for somebody else, doing
an album for somebody, so they know they can call
me for anything. If it's not drums, it can be percussion, right.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
And most musicians, most musicians today are not versatile. Some
are versatile, but some are scared to be versatile. Yes, sir,
you're right about that. Yes, some are very scared to
be versatile. Why. I have no idea, but because but

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now we're living in a time where being versatile is
key to keep working, to stay work.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
That is true.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
You have to be virtually, you have to know, you
have to like they always, like Michael Blakeley, always tell
us know your craft. He did, he did a class
on that. Knowing your craft. Wow.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
And anything that Elder Blakely speaks on, he done lived.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, and he's living in them and he's still that's the.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Thing, Like he's still living in And the greatest thing
about it is just watching old school players just continue
to keep flourishing in their craft and still be able
to kill the game with their knowledge. Yes, it gets No,

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it gets no better than that. It gets no greater
than that.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yes, like he was talking about it, it was three
or four drummers. Yes, that's where it was in Vegas View,
and there was three or four organists. And there's three
or four directors too, And that's the good part about it,
or organists that was there was my cousin. And now

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she's a bishop right now, Bishop Nia Parson New Antioch
uh Christian Fellowship, she's over any New Antioch Christian Fellowship,
and she's over a lot of churches that's out there
in Vegas. And there's uh Alma fay, lady Alma, she's

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lady on me fad Bishop uh McDonald's fragrance of the church.
You know. So she was an organist and shouts out
to her. She was one of and she wasn't no
jokes and and.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Far as a teaching.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
There was the McDonald's were in the Jackson's was our
church pastors.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
That's a lot of teaching.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
That was a lot of great teaching that we had
coming out of that church.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
And then then you had bishop then not this ship,
but you had a pastor Frank Harris Lake Pastor Frank Harris.
He was our boys club teacher. And then on the
Charles Jordan late Charles Jordans, they was our boys club teacher.

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They taught us nothing but words of wisdom. You know,
that's what the kids today are missing. You understand when
the Saturdays the missing that great teaching.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
You used to can go.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Like we all we talked back in our summer sessions
about the ypw W. They don't really hardly have that
no more.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
It's a lost art. Yp w W to the Friday
night service. Uh, Bible band Sunday Night, Well was the
Bible band Sunday Night or yp w W was.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Sunday YEWW was Sunday Night and Bible band. Yeah it
was both of them.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Oh okay. And then after that then you had your
night service, yes exactly. And I was I remember remember
when I know they they did it at my church
in Minnesota. Like if there was like a Bible or
a church anniversary. It starts from Sunday, from Sunday and

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the next Sunday. I missed those days.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, they don't have that no more.
Sometimes they have them. They're like it'll be like from
Thursday to Thursday to Sunday. Now, yes, Thursday Sunday. But
you like, there are those musicians. Can you name on

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some of the few musicians that you really like, like
you know this that they really touched your heart when
they when they you hear them playing. I like Mike Stroll, Blakely,
I like Michael Burrell, I like you there's a lot

(30:00):
out of them you can name, like the name of
a few I was like naming them earlier. Dwayne Murray,
They're you know pastor Cruse Hall. You know, you know,
there's a lot of musicians that I can just sit
there and just just listen to him, listen to them
and just love when they're playing, right, because when they

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when they when they really making music, they seriously making music.
They're not just sitting there just okay, just you know,
putting music together. They really knowing their craft, They really
playing what God has given them at that time.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Right, you have any favorites. Yes, I sure do so.
As I mentioned before, I'm a Minnesota kid, so so
growing up I had Billy Steele, uh from Sounds of Blackness,

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Darnell Davis from you Know, Darnell Davis, and a Remnant
he was part of you Know. He wrote some songs
with it for a Felsier. So we have Darnel Davis, Uh,
Billy Steele, my guy, Larry Robinson, one of Minnesota's toughest
drummers in the in the city. Uh to Nabie Gatlin.

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Shout outs to him. He was actually the the first
original minister of music from Minnesota before Billy Steele took over.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, So he's also a singer, songwriter, a killer organist.
Pastor Laverne Shelby I remember him from He's from Uh
He's from Davenport, Iowa, so okay, so he's also an
organist as well too. He was the minister of music

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at the church that I was at as a child,
and I must I ain't gonna lie before I even
picked up the sticks and start playing drums. I really
want to play organ because of Pastor Laverne Shelby, the
way he made it talk, his chords everything. So every
time I see him walk in the door, I'm like, oh,

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we're about to have church now, were about to have
some church. Like, we're about to have some church. And
so growing up at thirty eighth Street Church of God
in Christ, they're like there was like three. There was

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Pastor Laverne Shelby who was the organist, Sister Geneva can't
Sister Geneva Williams, May she rest in peace. A killer
a piano player. You give her a piano is game over.
And then Pastor Kevin Wilson was also an organ player,

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and that that was coming up at that time. So
not only that, you had about four or five different drummers,
and if there was a guest drummer who wants to play,
we just let him play. So but me, I was
the youngest out of all the all the drummers. So
I just sat back, look over and just watch, wishing

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I was over there.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Wow shots out to uh my show Debbie Jefferson. Anywhere
Debbie Jefferson went or when she was playing, I was there.
As far as when it comes up to the conventions,
I was right behind her. There's this keyboard that she

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given me right now. I still got it to this
day because I went to the CSN in Las Vegas
and I was taking up theory and she say, you
want a keyboard. I have a keyboard. I got it
for you. And I still terish that keyboard as we

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sleep because she's not here, and that's the only thing
I got of her to remember of besides her playing.
Because there's there's like saye, for instance, there's things that
you can do, you can do somebody else's looking at

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and which they can do. You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yes, I have I have a trade mark.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I have a shuffle that's out of this world. When
it comes to that shelf shouting music that uh, nobody
can do. I don't think nobody can do it because
what I do is I uh, when I'm doing the shuffle,
I'm like shuffling and turning my left in my right

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hand like I'm brushing.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Oh, but you gotta.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
But what you gotta do it has to be the
one twenty or you know the speed. That's what I'm saying.
The music the music got, the music gotta be at
that at that speed. So that's something that I have mastered,
is my shuffle. So I like playing the shop music,

(35:45):
but I do like the contemporary music too, because there's
some music that that's contemporary that reaches.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
The world today.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
But like we was talking last week, Milton Bronson, member,
I was telling you about the old school people. They
had a meeting when they they're singing the songs, their
their songs came with a meeting, all of their songs. Yes,

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James Moore, Timothy Wright, you know, stuff like them people
they came into the city. I love them to death,
you know, even though they're not living on this earth
earth today, there's something that I can always remember them

(36:50):
from with their songs, right Edmund Hawkins similar mass choir
be great. Well, you know what I'm talking about. That's
one of my favorite songs. The reason why I'm saying
that it's one of my favorite songs because there's a

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lot of stuff that I have went through that nobody
have went that had thought that I would never make
it through. And I'm still yet still living. And I'm
thankful for that because I was born with the sickness,
but I haven't had the sickness in probably twenty and

(37:32):
thirty years. But I'm grateful that I'm still living. You
know what I'm saying. Yes, that's always a blessing within itself.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yes, because if you really think about it, you got
musicians daily dying falling over head. Yes, either given young
musicians whose life has not even got started. So it's

(38:09):
it's always good to give things every day. Always be
grateful and thankful because somebody can be Every musician can
be worse, is worse off than the others.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
But I must say, oh, what takes what takes to
be an awesome musician? For one, you gotta have you
got For one, God has to be in your heart, yes,
which means you know everybody. Everybody is not going to

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like what you do. You could, you could be the
weakest player, but if you have God in your heart,
that overshadows everything. Oh I don't know, it overshadows because
if you really, if you really think about it, I'm
gonna be real with you. Out of all the drummers

(39:17):
here in Kansas City, I'm the weakest drummer compared to
half of the top of the line drummers here in
Kansas City. But the only thing that gots me deep
upon the top tier drummers in Kansas City is I'm disciplined,
I'm humble, I'm easy to work with. Those are pluses

(39:40):
right there. Yes, anytime a musical director say you're easy
to work with, it's a blessing just to just to
say you're easy to work with. Within itself, Yes, that's.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
True, that is true. Speaking of that, I don't like
those musicians that think they're all that, because everything can
be taken away from you in a matter of seconds.
You understand what I'm saying. So when the people have

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the have the have their nose and all that all
stuck up and everything, you got to think about it.
How did you get there? How did you How did
you get at that point right now? How did you
make it to where you at right now? Playing for

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this particular person or that this particular person is not yourself,
not your flesh. If you if you're dealing with the
flesh and and God is not in it, then that
that's not that's not a good situation. And are correct
correct if you If God is in it, that means

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God is gonna take you to places that you never
thought you're gonna be or never gonna ever make it to.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
That is the truth. It's all. It's also how you
how you carry yourself, how you present yourself. And it's
very simple.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
It's just present my body as a living sacrifice, wholly
and acceptable unto God. That's what the word says. So
if you do that, if you do that, that's all
that matters. And that's what's gonna happen. He's gonna take
you to places that you have never been before.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Yep. And that means you got the skin and.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Win, yes, sir, hallylujah on net. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
And then also what well also makes a great musician? No,
of course God has to be in your your life.
You got to have a heart to learn, a heart
to accept criticism. Constructive criticism is what makes you better.

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It separates you, as they say, it separates the men
from the boys, or the girls from the women.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Because without without constructive criticism, you're not going to be
able to grow. Yes, I tell musicians all the time,
if you want to become if you want to become
that person that they call the guy, to learn how

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to take constructive criticism. You can't take everything the hard
that's true. Then also gotta realize everybody is not gonna
like your playing, that's true.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's why we all all made different because you know,
if I come in here and playing like you that
it's not gonna be you know, that's not gonna be
a better service.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Nah nah nah nah No nah, it's not it's not
not gonna be not gonna be a good service. No,
but I must But also you know, being able to

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listen that that that's a that's a tough one.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
A lot of musicians don't like do not Actually I
don't like to do No, they don't, they don't, they don't.
So but before we close the session out, but this
was a great session, I think we're gonna have to
have another number two to this.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
We're gonna have some because the good is getting good.
It's getting really good.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, it's getting real good. So we're gonna have to
have another number two to this situation. And I'm glad
that you said this on this week, that you know
we need to instead of doing the number of the
top ten some today, let's talk to about musicianship. Let's
talk about to the musicians. And that's a great thing.

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And I think they need to uh talk about this
because a number two next next session, I think we
should talk about what the musicians go through because this
week this month is mental health Month for the men's right,

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So I think this would be great to talk to
come on with. If it's not next this week, I
mean next week, it's probably be the week after. We
should close it off with mental health, right. So who
do you want to shout out to any musicians before

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we close off the show?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Well, I want to give a shout out to my
crew that I'm working with with the National Baptist Convention,
do Rio Demps. Another another all song musicians singer Grammy
Award winning songwriter Mbu Houston. Another another guy from another

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cat from Mississippi, and the Boss, the boss Man himself,
the director, mister Darryl Lewis.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Awesome, awesome, awesome. I would like to get a shot
to one of my mentors, David dork Wood, Folk, Christopher Rogers,
Corey Johnson. He's he's a tech right now, but he's

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a great musician that you know people did not you know,
you know prop out too, but you know, I love
I loved what he was playing back in my days.
That's the old school drummer and he knows exactly what
he's doing. But shouts out to CRUs Hall, Bishop pasted

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up CRU's hall. Shouts out to you, my brother, because
if it weren't for you, you know, we wouldn't have
a great show every every time with because we glued
and glued together what God is put together. Lett no
men or no one takes apart, shouts out to Shouts

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out to Liquida bolding the h young lady herself, t T.
Vowler you know. And then Trina, She's awesome. Both of
them are awesome. Bet three players.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
And Dominique.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
You heard the Dominique plan before you know she she's
a beast.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
To keep the organ. Shouts out Chicago shot.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yes, yes, yes, you heard on that put those keys
are so shots out to her.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
So yeah, I'm gonna just.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
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and Savor and Jesus Christ, and given thanks to the
Man of Self Batman for you know, given the airwaves
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