EP 120 | RODRICK L SWIFT

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Me. That's your host Roger Swift and this is your
girl Mothers.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome to the Takeover.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
El let's go on. Welcome to another session of Musicians Matters.
We want to have a great session on tonight. Hire
you tonight my co host?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Hey, hey, hi everyone, all right man, amazing, Hello, hello, hello, amazing.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
So tonight is going to be a a big show
on tonight.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
We got legendary.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Bontie Wilcox on tonight.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
What's going on? Don't know? Hey, how you doing? After you?
Are you doing? How you doing? Who's who is a
young lady? What is her name? Her name is Candy? Candy?
How are the candy? I'm good. I'm good. I'm just
walk kicking back, walking around in the house looking for

(01:20):
nothing to do. That's about it. Yeah, I'm good. How
you guys doing, You're.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Doing real good, doing, real good tonight. I'm so basically,
how's your day to day?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Man? You know what today has been? Well? My my, my, my,
my daughter's my daughter's mother got sick and I had
to send them off to California this morning. But but
God is good. They got there and she's fine. So
it turned out to be a visit that we weren't
looking forward to, but it turned out to be a

(01:54):
beautiful thing that they're that they're able to be there
to support family. And yeah, my day's been good, man.
You know, I just I've really been in my Bible
more so than then. I've been into almost anything else.
And if your way, you kind of know that. But
my day has been good. How about your tell? Man?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Oh, so this has been a hectic day today. Basically
I've been I'm on the move basically from from one
part of the city to another. That's basically what's been
going on with my situation. And I'm actually.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, talk to talk to your angelical the angels and
tell them to make away, tell them to make everything,
get up and get out the way, you know, and
you'll move right along. Man. It works.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, God God has really been moving, He's been strategically moving.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
He's been moving.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
On a download for us. Bacially, I'm just just being gratitude,
giving gratitude and giving thanks because of if it wasn't
for him.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I wouldn't be none of it, none of this, none
of this, none of this, nothing that we know, trusting me,
nothing that we know would be going down. I wouldn't
have got I wouldn't have met Candy, you know, I
wouldn't be talking to you, none of this. You know,
have you been playing? Are you still playing that? Oh?
So you got to have something new? Questions? Are you?

(03:24):
Are you still playing?

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Planning every Sunday? And I'm teaching almost every week too.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
There you go, there you go, there you go. I'm
gonna tell you something about that teaching thing. You know,
how how you can how we can be gifted? He
charges us absolutely nothing. But but we have a price
on what we go out and do it for. So
I'm gonna I'm gonna share with you and and for
whoever on your on your your your radio, family, or

(03:51):
however far this is going. You know, because you guys
surprised me the last time when I spoke to Drummers
United the last time, man, I had no idea people
was going to be hearing this for a couple of years.
That thing is still running and folks from other parts
of the world call me and say, man, I've heard
that interview. Man, that was so cool. That was so cool.

(04:11):
And I can't remember half of the stuff that we
talked about, but I remember we was talking about Marvin.
But I'm gonna tell you something. The only way, the
only way getting back to my point, nephew, the only
way you can you can really appreciate and keep whatever
it is that God gave you freely is to separate
with it as freely as He gave it to you.

(04:32):
So when you're charging yourself for but when you're charge
on somebody for going out and playing some really good drums,
whether it's a poker or whether it's a parade somewhere
you don't want to be, you know, make sure you
put him first, you know, because when because when you
give with your heart, you won't be upset when it's
not giving back. So give freely, man, Give freely, Give freely.

(04:55):
You might, you might, you might not get that right now,
But when you get to be seventy three years old,
you'll understand what I'm at. You'll understand and that that's
a blessing. Man. I mean, because I had no idea
that my my just just wanting to play drums as
a nine year old, I had no idea that it
was going to reach the multitudes that it has reached.

(05:20):
Like like when I was talking to you, I had
no idea your radio family. I had no idea that
you guys reached out to people as far as you
probably don't even imagine. But that first radio interview I
did with you a couple of years ago. Brother, let
me tell you. You know yourself, I'm probably one of the

(05:43):
most computer computer illiterate people you'll ever meet in life.
But if you look in your computer, your own personal computer,
you'll see more of me than you see of you.
And all I was doing with all I was doing
was playing. And now it's about passion, you know, and
doing it for God, you know. So let me shut
up so you guys can do your interview.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
And I'm loving this basically, I'm what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I'm loving this because you've given it from the heart,
you know.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
So yeah, yeah, I mean I gave I gave, I
gave it from I gave it from wherever that was
when I was giving it. But I didn't know I
was given. I didn't know I was given something that
was gonna be legendary. Yeah, you know, I was just
I was just. I was I was I was just.

(06:32):
I was just fund And I'm gonna keep just one
hundred because you know, I mean, we do all things
through guys who strengthens us. You know, I was just
having the fun. Music did not become a job to
me until uh, until something caused me to. I derailed
and started focusing on the money. And I'm gonna tell

(06:54):
you something. When you focus on the when you focus
on the gift that God gave you the money, you
won't county. You'll be waning. You know, it will reveal itself.
It's just it just comes so much, It comes so
much to come, and you know you can get it.
You can get addicted to that like you can get
addicted to almost anything else. Man and and and that
would be know for us, for them, And you know

(07:14):
that is really true, because I'm gonna tell you, I'm
gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you something. It's just
like being a drummer and player, when you selfish, we
want to play rather than player whatn't necessarily needs to
be played. You know a lot a lot of these
young cats, and they play really well and they play
with a lot of speed, but a lot of these cats, man,
you know, it takes guys like yourself, and and and

(07:36):
and and and and a lot of these young church drummers.
You know, you know, if they're hearing me, you know,
for for don't forget the groove, don't forget, don't forget
the pocket. You don't want to you don't want to
be able Levi Strauss Factory, and you can't find the pocket.
You know what I'm saying. You know, you know, you know,
you know, and the drummers in the church nowadays, if

(07:58):
you want to hear cats really play, listen to some
of these guys that are playing for God, not guys
that are performing, you know, because they were a big
time worship team, you know. I mean when I was
playing with Radical for Prist back in two thousand, I
had no idea that that bred Havin was going to
become what he's become. Rand Sallen. I had a new

(08:20):
idea that Randallen with you. You know, we were just
playing music, enjoying music, talking about God, giving God all
the praise and man. All these years later, these young
people are coming along doing these remixes and stuff. But
that we did thirty or forty years ago, and I'm like, hm,
somebody was listening, So you know, I'm just you know,

(08:42):
you know, I like it that that that you called
me to do this. I like it that, you know,
because the only way I can keep whatever it is
the world thinks that I have is to separate with
it as freely as God gave it to me. So
that's why I'm at though I'll be quite.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Like separate from the world, from the secular.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
How was that I was that big impact?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Because I know it was address.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
It's still changing, it's still changing. My my wife, My
wife got scared when I said, baby, you know what,
you know, I'm getting ready to do this with Jesus.
And then and I don't and I don't mean and
I don't mean just go to church and play and
be one of the hottest and be one of the
hottest drummers playing, you know, in the in the gospel world,

(09:38):
you know, because I mean, I was young when I
played with Edwond Hawkins Singers. I was young when I
was young when I played with Billy Preston. I was
young when I played with the Johnny Man Singers. I
was young when I played, you know, I was young
doing all that. But here's the deal. When you're playing
secular music, it's a different world. And music is not
the musician penmanship. In the musicosicians that play nowadays, it's

(10:02):
not like it be camaraderie. The camaraderie is far more
genuine in the spirit in the spiritual world, but in
the in the in the secular world, most musicians will
quit nine cent for ten, you know. And it's like
when you're when you're doing it for God. God does
not look for perfection the people that I retired to part.

(10:25):
God does not look for perfection. I want a commitment.
That's what that's about. Right And when when you and
when you and when you move away from the secular world,
you are gonna you're gonna upset somebody. You know, if
I may, I'm gonna'ma I'm gonna say p I F F.
You're gonna piss somebody off. But guess what, you keep

(10:47):
them wanting. You keep on wanting as long as they
wanting it, as long as they're wanting what they're wanting,
and you're wanting God. I'm gonna tell you something. You
can't go wrong with God because he will never fail you.
He won't fail you. He don't know how to lie
and everything that you do. When you're in the secular
world and you tell you something, seventy seven percent of
the people that you will meet and I'm saying this

(11:10):
to whoever is listening to this, who's ever going to
hear this in the secular world, seventy seven percent of
the people that you're going to meet face to face.
It could be your family members. They are not who
they say they are, you know. And I like to
give people. I like to give that secular world one
hundred and eighty days, and then one hundred eighty days
that other negro, well, that other human being comes out.

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But when you're doing it for Jesus, you're not performing.
You're praising Hallelujah, You're praising God. You're praising God. So
the world players on the planet sound good to him.
So keep your opinion, you know, in the car when
you go into play on Sundays, you know, and go
just go give it to him and you'll walk out

(11:53):
of that. You'll get up behind the drums, you get
up behind the girls. I call my drum kits. I
call them my girls because all my oa. You know,
all my life, my drums have made my I've been
a drummer all my life. I've never had a regular
job as you know where you go and have a
time car. I've been a musician all my life, all
my life, you know. And and God just you know,

(12:13):
just protected me the Holy here. You know. It's it's
those grandmothers and them. It's the Big Mama, Big It's
the Big Mama and Big Daddy and all those people
that used to make us want to go to Sunday school.
It's those people that prayed for us that got us
where we are today. And and you know, and I'm
going through a really bereaved moment right now time in

(12:36):
my life because two of my dearest friends, you know,
uh uh my Michael Eugene Archer, you know, the world
knew him as Bangelo. I knew D'Angelo before he became
what y'all know him to be. Angie Stone. I knew
these people were people that were in my life long
before they became what they what they what they became,

(12:56):
you know. And they both left us, you know, in
the same year, man that you know, and and and
then one of my dinest friends Anthony Jackson. Oh my god, man,
oh my god, man, if you if, if I can
only tell you how we just used to walk up
down the street man, you know, in Brooklyn, in Hollywood,

(13:18):
south central Los Angele. It's just just gigging around town.
And and the next thing you know, these people are
you know, are big enough to be in the Smiths
Smithsonian Institute. I mean, like you know, I mean when
you go in the computer, the first thing they say,
the legendary bugs, they will coos. Man. I'm just I'm
just pressing them with pray, Willcox. I'm just bugs. I'm
just oh man. But when it comes to playing music,

(13:41):
I'm just you that you deserve that. Yeah, but I'm
just it's about the passion for Christ. Now, if you
know what i mean, Like if you want to come
and hear me play, you know, in the club, or
you want to hear me play with Lionel and stuff
like that, just turn on your TV and go to
that because I'm gonna be talking to you about I'm
gonna be talking to you about God. And I know,

(14:01):
I know the world wants to hear about what Marvin
was like and what you know, you know, all the
people at Motown. You know, Stevie's real sick right now.
You guys, pray for Steve. Pray for Steve. Steve and
Steve is sick right now. You know. Uh, one of
my dearest dearest players. Uh, I'm having a senior moment.

(14:22):
There's nothing wrong with that. I haven't Damn. I can't
even say his name, Bill Collins, Bill Collins, Bill Collins,
can't even stand up no more. Man, These are these
are people men that you know, we used to do
stupid stuff running up and down the hall so hotels
because we were born and couldn't go outside because there
was too much There was too much noise going on outside,

(14:45):
you know, And and everybody and everybody's finding God, you know.
And you know God doesn't care when we get it.
He just cares that we get it, you know. So yeah,
I'm trying. I'm trying to get as right as our
possible he can, you knowing that He will forgive all
sins and I get to play, I get to play
in church. Let me tell you what I've done. Here's

(15:08):
what they won't write about. I lost my brother June
first of nineteen of twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four,
I lost my resid dune. First, I started playing at
CODA the first Sunday in July. Man, I don't play
on some of the biggest hosptball albums. They never that that,
you know. I mean we Shirley Caesar, the Clock Sisters, YadA, YadA, YadA,

(15:30):
all of that through Billy Preston's Okay, I'm getting ready
to make you laugh. I have been at church in
Bible study the ten thirty in the morning and play.
Sunday service start at twelve o'clock and I don't leave
church two about three thirty, almost four o'clock. I've been
at church every Sunday from the first of July, the
first month of July, the first week is July until now.

(15:54):
And I've never been in church. I never played in
church on Easter Sunday in my life. So my testimony
is over the top, you know. I mean even when
I told you that, I mentioned you that I retired
from Lionel Richard and Cyndi Lauper, you know, you know,
and I'm in church. My wife was like, you know,
so what are we going to do? Well, I'm living
up with what I've done. We're gonna live up with

(16:16):
what I've done, and I'm gonna give it to God
and God and God is going to provide and see
that all all the needs of me. You know that
my cat ain't hungry the waters, you know. And you know,
and and and when they say you can't buy no
more than two rolls of toilet paper, you know. And
when they say you can't do so they shut the
government down or this, that and the other. You got

(16:36):
to deal with all of that in the second world,
with all that everybody, everybody, you got to deal with that.
In the secular world. Well, that's always been there for us.
And in the secular world it's even worse. So there's
a lot of people coming to God nowadays. And I
had no idea. I'm looking around and I was one

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of them, you know, so you know, you know, I'm
enjoying it. Really amazing.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
He is truly amazing today, showing the secular world.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
What's really going on? Yeah, come on, let me, let me,
let me help you say it like they were, like
we would say it back in the seventies. Marvel would say, hey, man,
what's really going on? And right, what's really going on? What? Yeah,
I mean, if we did if he came back and
we did a remake of What's going On, he would
put really in there, what's really going on because you

(17:33):
could say, you could say, you could say what's going
on right today? Say what's going on right today? And
it's and it has the same effect that it had
when you know, when you were playing when I was
playing it, when I was playing it night after night
after night after night after night to night, played that
song man for fourteen years in a row man somewhere

(17:54):
with him the last fourteen years of his life. And
we never got tired of it until we would be
playing it at home or you know, doodling around in
the studio, just do it around and somebody say, hey,
you guys, come on, e minor, what's going on? And
we would we would start arguing on how the changes went. No,

(18:14):
you're supposed to know, we're supposed to do this. So
just what we would get on stage in front of
a group of people from the thousands, it was just
it was like magic. It was like magic. It was
just it would just come right out. Well, that's what
happens with me and Church every Sunday, doctor doctor, doctor,
doctor Powell. Bishop. She'll tell you glory, man, let me

(18:36):
tell you something. She knows. She walks up to me.
She says, I don't see how you do that, mister Wilcox.
And I just look at I said, it's God. It's
not me. My life is not mine anymore. My life
belongs to God. Man, nephew. I don't know none of
those songs. I don't know none of those songs. I
don't know none of the songs that we play week

(18:57):
to week. But man, but but I've played with the
uh with with the brothers that passed away, Emanuel, the
brother he hunted. Yeah, he passed away, and I used
to be over it. At West Angeles, passed Bigger Blake,
Bishop Blake. I didn't know who. I didn't I didn't

(19:17):
know who those people were. You know, we had best
the Willis's funeral there we've been so you know, I
didn't know who those people were, man, because I was
I was so busy in that secular world. You know,
you know he had that he that he then had
his hooks in me. But hey, man, I'm gonna tell
you something. I've got a brother named Jesus man, and
he does not let me. He does not let me
slip or or backslide. None of that. None of that, man,

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My old lady and now man, we've been at church
every Sunday a lash of twenty four, twenty twenty four,
and twenty twenty five, and have not missed the Sunday.
And I just got I just got to the point.
I said, you know what, I can't I can't serve
two of them like I'm going to serve one. So
I let the secular one. I let the secular one go. Man.

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You know, you know, I mean, like you know, I
let it go. And I know and I know I
upset a few people by doing that. But in the meantime,
you know, I'm not really I don't really want to travel.
I don't really want to do that anymore. You know,
I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna spend the rest of
my time here on the planet praising His Holy name. Man.
You know, I'm gonna put it down like that. We

(20:29):
we can talk about what I've done. I'm with that
because the world wants to know. You know, stuff I
knew about my brother in law. He was my brother
in law for six or the fourteen years old was
with him, and you know, the world knows me as
playing with Marvin. But I've done so much a result
of that. Yeah, so much as a result to that, man, So,
you know, and it led me to this, It led

(20:52):
me to you know, I even wouldn't got the water baptismal.
You know, we got baptized in the spirit, you know.
And I didn't come up ry heathen. I come up
born again in the spirit. You know, Man, I ain't smart.
I ain't smart enough to explain what I'm saying. But
I can show you better. I can tell you. You know,
you're not in that. Yeah, you're not able to come

(21:14):
over to see me because you're doing the same thing.
You're doing the same thing every Sunday, and you're teaching.
Teach give it away, Give it away if they pay
you for it, beautiful if if you don't get dollars
for dollars getting paid for it. My brother looked at Well, God,
he woke you up this morning, and they didn't have
to do it. You have to do it. He woke

(21:37):
you about candy. If you're still there, he woke you
up this morning, and just know that he did not
have to do it. He didn't have to do it. Baby,
you know, and and and and and Roger tells me
that you play. Are you a player? You a drummer
as well.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
I actually used to be a drummer. I'm father was
a pastor and I played in the church. I haven't
played a while, so.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
But I do.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
I am into programs with drumming and drummers.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
So, yes, tell.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Them about your about what your organization is about too.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
Yeah. So we have a non profit organization called Drums Up,
Guns Down. When we get towards youth, our youth community.
So my brother was a birthday group and fortunately lost
his life to gun violence in the year of twenty
twenty two. So I am thank you. I became this

(22:42):
voice that day. And so now we give drum sticks
out to kids all over the world, drums.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
We have, we do different things in the community.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Want our kids to know that creating your own beautiful
beat can really be therapeutic to you. And that's really
what's down as about just putting people together, loving music,
loving drumming, and.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Just building a community. Yeah, and bringing people together. That
that is so cool. That is so cool. And another
dear friend of mine, now, Adam Roger, do you ever
talk with Eric Moore? Y.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I talked to him every now and then. He's a
dynamic drummer.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Every time.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Every time we get a chance to go to Las
Vegas Drum Show. I love when he's a clinician there.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I don't know who's gonna be the clinician for next.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Year, but he's a dynamic drummer out of this world.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
And man, let me tell you something. Okay, he's a
dynamic drummer, but with a lot of people. Don't nobody
about headimo, man, is that he's a dynamic person. To
the next time he's in town. If you know about it,
get in touch at your uncle. Man. I'd like to
just get with you and and and and and just
and and just let you kick it with he and I,
you know, because we sit back and we talk about

(24:02):
everything but drummer. We talk about God. But but there's
a rhythm with it, there's a pocket with talking about it.
You don't have to be, you don't have to do.
You don't have to be sitting in the cockpit behind
your girls, you know, with sticks in your hand to
be to be you know, I mean you you can
you know the music is like this, man, you can
feel it, but you can't touch it right when you

(24:22):
can touch it, and when you can touch it, you
got too much stuff to touch. So so you till
you're not playing. So you're not playing. You know, you're
not playing. You're thinking. You're thinking, you know, and when
you and when you're thinking, you're not let you're not
letting the Holy Spirit move to you move through you.
I mean, like like you bringing me together with this
young sister, Candy. You know, I don't know how how

(24:43):
old she is, it doesn't matter, but I guarantee you
if if she was saying, uh, if she was a
state of her parents or anybody, say, guess who I met?
Du You know people all no sooner when I meet somebody,
I'm just talking to them and and they're looking at
me on the computer and they looking at it. He said, yeah, man,

(25:03):
you are who you say you are. And I just
look at him, say what you thought I got up
this morning just to tell you a lie? You know,
you know it's like, bring me together with his young
sister and she has the nonprofit. Hey, you know what
anyway I can be of service? You know, you know,
I'm I'm just I'm a servant, Candy. That that's what

(25:23):
that's what I am. You know, it's not about it's
not about me anymore. And I still play, you know,
I play. I play because I want to, or not
because I have to, you know, and uh and and
and what you're doing, you know. And you when you
became your brother's voice. Sure you speak loud, but you

(25:44):
don't have to speak late. You figure deal me. You
know you know what I'm talking about, you know, I mean,
you know what. You know what I'm saying. You know,
I don't want to get don't I don't want to
get poop off course of what y'all might want to
talk about. But you start to start start talking about God,

(26:05):
and I forget all about you know, bugs and wilcos,
you know, because you know, it's about all we need
to know we need. It's about it's about all years.
It's about God, It's about it's about him. It's about him,
you guys. You know. And you know, if this conversation

(26:25):
gets a little boring for for any of the listeners,
it's because they still trying to find that pocket. You know.
So ain't no ain't no road ranging in me. You know,
take as long as you need to take to get
you where you need to get. Take as long as
you need to take to get to wherever it is
you're trying to go. But just know that when you'll

(26:47):
feed it the floor in the morning. You know, angels
don't talk. You have to talk to them. Got to
tell your angels. But you got to tell the angels
what you want them to do on your behalf. You
got to say, Okay, well look here, I want to
I want to go over here this today and I
want to check out Roger or I want to talk
to Candy. Oh, I want to figure out how I
can get on there and and and tell what I

(27:08):
know and blah blah blah blah blah. That I mean,
you got you got to speak to the angels. You gotta,
you got, you got, you gotta almost you got to
command them because I you know, I tell people in
my church doing testimony that people I tell people at
my church and doing testimonial services. I say, you know what,
drums is a very demanding it's a very physical. It's
a very demanding thing. But I I'm but but I'm

(27:30):
but I'm not controlling like that. I don't demand when
I sit down, I command this man. There's a difference,
you know, man, his word and his word. I mean,
it's the Bible is like I'm learning. Not only have
I been learning how to read it, but I've been
learning how to study it. You know, there's there's a

(27:51):
study in there.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Man, and you can can it says, study ourselves to
show ourself approved unto.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
God, unto God. Come on, baby, unto God. See see
and see. I'm still I'm still a baby and remembering,
you know. But my wife bought me a Bible on
my birthday a year ago, and man, I got that
thing so highlighted and different parts of what I've read,
and I done learned how to how to how to
get the different different scriptures as quickly as the people

(28:21):
in church, because I'm hungry for it, you know. And
when you're hungry or something, you know, you go recklessly
at it. You know, I'm not going recklessly because I got.
I got doctor Glory's Powell, and I got and I got,
I got pasted Pastor Jones, and I got Shanika Brown,
I got, I got, I got people like you, Roger,
you know, I mean, like we need to see each
other and talk a little bit more about the love

(28:44):
of God and what Jesus. I mean the blood. Come on, baby,
the blood. I mean everything that we have done and
everything that we're doing. It's already just the blood has
pay for everything that we're doing. Man, you know, so
se playing music to me nowadays, it's fun. It's fun.
And the folks from my era that are still here, God,

(29:06):
God bless those that aren't here. They understand where I'm
coming from because I've done I've done that. I've done that.
It's like how many times? How many times can you
reheat corn bread? How many times can you reheat corn bread?
See what Chrystal wants? Christal's calling my phone, baby, would
you go over there and see what you want to
take the cheek. She doesn't know nothing to call me.
She doesn't know I'm talking on the radio US Now,

(29:30):
it's all right. I'm just having my wife to go
over and check on my grandchild, you know, so I
don't have to be interrupted with you guys. You know,
but that's cool. You gotta you have a non profit
organization that helps children. Okay, let me tell you can
do what I do. Are you still there? This is
what I do. I teach children. I don't take on

(29:56):
the task of trying to teach an adult because adults say,
for instance, I pick on Roder, he can play. But
if he's not getting what he thinks that I can
give him is quickly, if he thinks he should be
getting getting it, it's gonna be road rage. Well, children

(30:18):
are like this, and this is the analogy that I give,
and the parents always understand it. I get along very
very well with children, sometimes even little babies, older people,
and animals. Rex Harrison, doctor Doolittle. I talk to animals
and they talk back to me, you know. And I'm
not crazy, you know, but kids are children. Children are

(30:42):
like this. You go to Walmart and you buy a
bag of new sponges and something breaks in the bag
and there's liquid. Children absorb every bit of anything that's wet,
and they get it fast. And when they get it
real fast, we want to call them geniuses. No, they're

(31:03):
just absorbing brutal honesty. So when I connect with children,
got I got a nine I got a nine year old,
I got an eight year old. I got an eight
year old. No, she's eight years old. Over at the church.
She's never had a music lesson in her life, and
but she watches what I do. Children, you know, are

(31:27):
very I'm I'm not smart enough to give it the
correct word candy, but this is what I do. Then
I got this little eight year old girl, and she
watches me so intently. So I show her the straight
four on the high hat. I show her the one
and the three on the bass drum, and I show
her two in the four in the snare drum. And

(31:47):
I don't tell her that it's eight eighth notes. I'm
just telling her that she's taking the right hand and
she's running with the right hand on the ride symbol.
She's running on his little girl was saying, and they're
watching me at the end of service, and the Leanna
and I must speak her name. She had kid never
sat down behind a real drum kit in her life.

(32:09):
She sat down behind my kit. Now, my kid will
normally scare you because you know, there's a lot of
stuff that you can do. You know, there's there's like
there's an assortment of drums. Because you know my mentor,
his name is Billy Cappra William Cobram Junior. He's in
his eighties. You know, Billy Cobram to me was like
God with two sticks with a stick in his hand.

(32:30):
He used to say to me, you can't paint. Put
the picture and let you have a lot of colors.
This whole girl stood there watching me. And one of
the songs that we were playing was a thing I
did with play having back in two thousand, laid in
the mid nine hours. That was going to turn it around. Yes, yes,
we were playing that, and the and the and and

(32:52):
the drum patents to that the pocket cause that is
basically Billy Jean boomp, boom boom. That little girl was saying,
watched me and I played one thing at a time,
one thing at a time, one thing at a time.
And children are so observant, whereas adults it's so hard
for an adult man to wake up up, to show up,
and shut up and pay attention. If you do those things,

(33:15):
you wake up, you suit up, you show up, and
you shut up, pay attention, you'll learn how to do
everything in the world. This little girl got down behind
those drums, and uh, three weeks later the parents wanted
her to help have some drums, and they couldn't. They couldn't,
they couldn't afford them. So here's where I came in, Candy.
I endorse for I've been endorsing drums for the better

(33:37):
part of fifty years now. This little girl came to
church one day and I had my wife and I
reloaded the car, gave her a brand new set of
drums that I ain't never used. Some dw just blessed
her with just bless just blessed her with it. Man,
that child has taken them drums in the time I've
been playing there. I'm trying to tell you, if, if,

(34:00):
if it's not too difficult for she can keep time.
She's eight years old. Her parents couldn't afford it. They
wanted the center, the drumming school. And here's bugs and
Wilcocks playing in church every Sunday, and this child is
watching me. And when there's time for the kids to
go to the children's nursery and the church. You know.

(34:21):
I suggested to her parents, I say, can she Can
she sit up on the stage with me? I said,
all right there next to me on the highest side.
And I said, you pay attention to what I'm doing,
and right now, right now, if it's two and four, Rodney,
if it's just two and four eight had two and four,
one and three. She gets tangled up when you turn

(34:42):
it around and play the one drop and you play
a reggae and every dings on the one and the three,
you know, but the two and the four, it would
blow your mind. It would blow out your mind. It
would blow your mind. So so now, yeah, tell, I said, listen,
I want to help you create a relationship with the

(35:02):
drum kit. I want you to know the value, what
this does, what that doesn't does it, and when and
when I know that you are that that you are,
that you're good with it, that you're connected with it,
then I'll start teaching you right right, left, right, one,
a two and a three. Arri, I start teaching you
to value you know, and their parents that their parents say, well,

(35:22):
but we can't pay you. I say, you know, I
can't pay God either. I can't say God. So we're
in the same boat. Man. You know. It's a it's
about giving it away, you know. And that's a very
I mean, some people might not get it, but that's
a very very good story because I grew in it myself.

(35:47):
I grew in it. And for me to be playing
in the church every Sunday, I'm not there to play.
I'm not there to play the drums I hope I
never get disconnected, you know, and get so uh and
to studying the Bible because you know, uh, doctor doctor Powell,

(36:07):
doctor glorious. But doctor g she is like she she
is like she is. She has taken me on Roger
like like one of her babies, and she's teaching me.
She's teaching me, and she's telling me. She says, you
have enough time. You have enough time left here. You know,
because because when I when when when I cared about
stuff in the secular world, people took me for granted.

(36:30):
And when I said and when I said ef it,
I became the bad guy. I like being the bad
guy as long as I'm doing it for God first.
I like that, you know, I mean, so it helps
me to stay focused. So the moral to this story
is that I heard you mention kids, Candy, and I'm
talking directly to you. Yes, I'm talking to when it

(36:53):
comes to kids. My nephew Roderick has connected you to me. So, oh,
roder you make sure you give Andy my phone number.
You make sure she can contact me like you contact me.
You make sure that you make sure she can contact
me like you contact me. And you guys go out

(37:15):
and get stuff. Let me donate some instruments, Let me
let me give it. Let let me give something to
you that d w and zilden and yamahalla and poured
and blah blah blah blah. Let me give something to
somebody like somebody gave something to me. Because you know,

(37:38):
like I said, the only way I can keep whatever
it is, the world things I have is be as
willing to separate with it. And I ain't trying to
make no money. I know that sounds stupid. I know
that sounds retardet. I ain't trying to make no money
because God takes care of all my needs. You know,
I'm no longer the working musician. I am the worshiping musician.

(38:01):
You know. So when people see me and they want
to talk to me about you know, what I've done
and what I've done. When I start talking about God,
you know, some some people connect with it and some
people like, yeah, man, So when am I gonna come
see you play? When you can come see me at church?
You know that's right. I'm gonna tell you that, Roger,

(38:21):
I'm gonna tell you something really stupid. And doctor Powell
told me today. She said, I said, you know, I'm
gonna be talking to Drummers United. Can I talk about Colder?
She said, yeah, be sure, She said, yeah, be sure.
Let people know how some folks come over there just
to hear you play, and then when praise and worship
is over, they start dwindling off in two's and fuse.
I said, that's all right, at to get them? Got me,

(38:44):
He got me. You know, I mean some people come
in just some people come in just to hear the worship,
you know, I mean some people come in just to
hear the worship, and they get out of there. They
got to get out of there and hurry. You know,
when you came over there a year ago and saw me,
you were just stopping by because you had heard that
I was there. You had to rush over to your church.
You had to rush over to your church. I would

(39:06):
have you know, I well, I know you would have stayed.
You you would. You would have been like one of
those little kids sitting there, man. And I would have
humbled myself and say, hey, man, you play because you know,
uh you know, I mean, you know, I just play, man,
I just play. I'm not performing. I'm not performing candy
when I'm playing in church I'm not Gloria. You know that, right.

(39:30):
I know you do.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
I know you do.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I told her I was talking to you, I said,
I said, I'm talking to to Rogers Foot today on
the Drummers United. I said, do you mind if I
talk about Cold? I said, do you mind if I
talk about Colder? She said, you are Coder. I said, yes, ma'am.
You know so, hey man, you know you know I
love this so like I said, you know, I give candy,

(39:54):
I give, I challenge you. I challenge you. Get my
information from nephew. I ain't never gave him. I ain't
never gave him a symbol. I ain't never gave him
a footpaller. I ain't never gave him nothing but a hug,
a hug, and and I answered the phone when he
when he called, I answered the phone when he called.
I called. I told him one guy. Okay, I'm telling

(40:16):
on him now on the radio. I'm telling on him. Mother.
You know I got mad at him about a year ago.
I said, then I'm gonst say with you. You hurt
my feelings. He said, what did I do? And I
never told him? Okay, So I'm gonna make it publicly known.
You got in touch with me, nephew, and you was
in touch with me, you know, sudden, you know, now,
all of a sudden you went M I A. And
I'm like, okay, I don't know what owned him. I

(40:39):
don't know, you know. I was like, but he don't
owe me no money? Are you went over over something stupid?
But where did he go? Where did he go? So
that's what I don't take it for granted, nephew, because
I might not wake up in the morning, and now

(41:00):
mind that week up in the morning. I'm good, I'm good,
You're good, Candy's good. You know. I'm making y'all laugh.
Y'all called me to have an interview. Check this out.
I'm almost a year from now, I'll be ministering to
you and not that. And I love not talking to
and not talking about drums. You know. That's what was

(41:23):
happening with Dangelo. DiAngelo started ministering. DiAngelo started talking about
Angie Stone. Angie Stone. Angie Stone would start talking about God.
Charlie Wilson. I used to play with the Gap band.
We used to get high together back in the day.
Charlie Wilson. You go see a Charlie Wilson concert with Ladicia. Now, man,

(41:46):
you getting ready to get minister too. But it's gonna
be exactly but it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good.
So you know, you know, I love the fact that
you have an organization to help choosing baby. You got
an organization to help you. Let me help. Let me help. Okay,
watch my voice, let me go, let's let me help, woman,

(42:09):
let me help. I don't know where you are in
the United States. I don't know where you are in
the United States. Where are you at?

Speaker 5 (42:18):
But the nonprofit is from and it's from North Carolina.
But I ask you guys in people in my way,
so I know that this is confirmation.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
And I really look look at you. You you don't
even have to go to Facebook, you know I have
to look at I don't even have a website, woman,
a website you can get and you don't even say
will talk. You don't have to play whilstok to Rob.

(42:50):
You can just say bug me and you got something?
What is that? What is that thing? Uh? Uh uh
uh something w w W dot or but want no
rock Rocking all Hall of Fame got or now I
don't know what or means and just say busy will cops.
Let me give to some of these kids, because you know,

(43:11):
somebody gains to me. Somebody somebody gains to me, you know.
And I don't have to be a silent partner. You
can mention my name if you want to. You don't
have to, if you don't need if you don't need to.
But just let me give to them kids. Let me
help before while you know now, Roger probably want to

(43:34):
talk about a little bit. My nephew probably want to
talk about the secular world and in the gospel world.
I'm gonna tell you what it was like, nephew. It
was good. It still is it still is? It still
is quar Yes, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna tell

(43:59):
you what. I'm gonna tell you what. I'm gonna tell
you what's good about it. If you wanted to go
back to drinking, it's right over there. Satan is right
over there in the corner we see at the county three.
I want both of y'all wherever you are to look
to your left one, two three, look to your left.
Satan is right over there doing pushups, waiting on you
to think that you can handle him. That's true. Wow, no,

(44:20):
going back to going back to the secular world. It's
waiting on you and it'll it'll wook you behind loft
Robinson King, it'll knock you down. And every time you
get up, it's God's grace. Where would any of us? Where,
where would any of us be without mercy? And for
that is true, that's tim And where he able to do,

(44:46):
God did it? Only he don't need me. Fred used
to always say this when I was playing with this
Radical for Christ back in ninety nine, in two thousand, Yeah, yeah, Fred,
Radical for Christ, Fred hamn right Christ. Yeah, where would
say he don't need me, he don't need you, he
don't need us, and he damp Jo don't need them.

(45:07):
He's God all by himself in spite of rather than
because of you know. So hey man, you know y'all,
keep y'all, keep Jesus first, Keep Jesus first. I know
you probably want to talk about music and all that
kind of stuff. We can't. I'm loving this, you know,
I mean, we you know, but I'm just I'm just

(45:28):
telling you. I'm just telling you, when you put God first,
you can put you can put God first. You ain't
gonna convince him if I'm gonna tell you something, integrity, Now,
this is not coming from me. This is gonna come
through me. So make sure you make sure you record this.

(45:49):
Integrity is what you do when you think anybody watching
take that. Integrity is what you do when I'm writing
on that right now, everything, every little thing that you
got away with. I mean, I don't care if they
didn't take the if the if you know, if you

(46:09):
saw something, picked it up, you put your foot on something,
you know, uh, until the person walked away. You know.
Look here, I tell people right now, if I can't
hide it from Jesus, don't none of you count. That's
what I said. You look at I look at If
I can't hide it from Jesus, don't none of y'all count.

(46:30):
I say that to my woman, and she said right here,
She said, right here, you know, as quiet as the
church house mouse. And my cat is sitting right next
to me, and both of them are understanding what I'm saying.
You know, I'm good with children, animals and old people.
Let me help you, Candy, that's how you gotta do.
And you got and you got Roger, and Roger got me.

(46:50):
And you're about children and you guys give away drumsticks.
Let me tell you what I did one time. You
get a kick out of this roger. You're gonna laugh. Okay,
let me go and play it in La I'm playing
with Las Vegas. I'm playing in Las Vegas. Where I
met my wife. Playing in Las Vegas. This old lady
in a wheelchair. He came up to me and she says,

(47:11):
oh my god, live at the London Pallensium. Got to
give it up. What's going on? Inner city? I mean,
she's got these albums and she want me to sign
these albums. Deal. She came to the gig candy with
these old albums and she wanted me to sign these albums.
So I signed the album and and and and I

(47:32):
felt some kind of way. I signed a pair of
drumsticks and Marvin, Marvin Day, Stevie wonder rig Day, Lionel, Ritchie,
Neil Diamond. I signed all these names people that I
played with. I gave her these jumpsticks. Uh. This old lady,
she used to cover her vacation with every year, same
time of year in Las Vegas. She came back to

(47:53):
next year. She said, you know when I got home
the drum stick that you signed and I put them
up on the mantelpiece and they disappear. She said, come
find out. My grandson took the drumsticks and he could
fact check to who you were. And we took a
picture with the drumsticks, and here the picture of you

(48:14):
on the internet, and blah blah blah blah blah, my
grum and my son got my grandson got on there
what's that thing called baby eBay eBay and sold the
sticks for three hundred dollars. He said, would you mind?
He said, would you I said, would you mind signing
me another pair of sticks? I said, nah, I'm not
going to do that. I said, because that story is

(48:34):
so good even I don't believe it. You know, because
if you could tell me a story like that and
keep my attention, you look, your integrity is what you
do when you think anybody watch it. So you know,
I mean, if you have something that's worth something to
somebody else, somebody will buy it. And you got to remember,

(48:56):
I'm the most computer you'll literate. But blah blah blah
you'll never meet on the planet. Woman took them when
he told them sticks and told me what she got
for him. I looked at my wife, and I looked
at my old lady. She was my girl at the time.
I said, I got a bit. I could create a

(49:17):
business selling drumsticks. Just sign them. Why what sign? Should
have gave me too too much information? So I stopped
signing drum sticks for older people. I just stopped. I'll
I'll play and give them to them. Roger got his
name on the sticks. You know. That's fine. When you
got the name on the stick. That fun when you

(49:37):
got the name on the stick. But let me tell
you something. The son, and I'm calling your son this time, nephew,
are you really want to bless somebody? You? You sit
down behind you girls, and you play the heaven out
of them, not the hell. You play the heaven out
of them things out of them girls, and then get
them and then get about them. Drum and sign the

(49:57):
stick that you played with, and you prance for that
energy to somebody that was paying attention to you. It's
way more appreciated. But we like to have our names.
We like to have our name, you know, and you
know you know. And I'm just I'm just passing. I
just want to pass that. I love it. I love it.

(50:20):
Oh my, it's energy. It's energy energy. When when you
do that, you know, because a child will take that
and they will cherish it. They will freaking they will
cherish that, you know. And you never know, man, you
never know where stuff like that turns up. You never

(50:41):
know where that turns up, you know what I mean.
Like I'm I'm I'm glad that there's that, that there's that.
There's more than just me and Roger talking, you know,
because Roger check, we don't have to we have to
do a number two then us. Okay, right you I

(51:04):
know you guys have a limited ton, you know, and
we've been talking to the seven.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
We can go.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
You can call me again. You call me again whenever
you want to. You know, we're going number two, number
number two in two weeks. Okay, we have to resume.
We got we got we've got two more shows, but
we've got to do resuming a number number two in
two weeks. Okay. And I'm gonna tell you something. If

(51:29):
you guys have the ability to where you can have
people call in you blessed people. You blessee right now
they already calling already. There you go, there, there you go,
there you go. I'm willing to talk to your entire network.
But as long as you want me, I'm Rodrig's nephew,

(51:49):
I'm Rodrig's uncle. So long as you want me, you know,
we can get out. We can get out, you know.
You know, just keep it keep, just keep it funky.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Before we go, before we leave off of this show
in life, let's say something positive. What you got to
say to this world positive?

Speaker 2 (52:08):
What do I have to say to this world positive?
You know? I would say this in the beginning, in
the very beginning, God made one man and he made
one woman. How did we get all these different races?
How do we get all these different races of people?

(52:29):
I think the most positive thing that I can say
to anybody right now is that the most important race,
whether you're racing one another, racing up and down the street,
or everything, but raising hell, I think the most important
race on the planet is the human race. We have
to do we got to give back to you know,

(52:52):
because how do we get all these different races of
people with one man and one woman? Good question? Huh,
that's true question, Good question? How are so the most
important race is not the supreme? This race and the
most important race is the human race, you know? And
he made a in his image in his age to die.

(53:14):
Don't self be true, but first and foremost above all
things to I don't self be true, you know. And
most times don't nothing come to a sleeper but a dream.
And sometimes that dream can be a nightmare. Yes, you know,
sometimes that dream can be a nightmare, you know. And
you live your entire life being scared. But when you
put God first, you ain't got to bring the scared
of nothing. That's what I have to say. I love

(53:37):
you all, man, thank you. You know, uh, uh be
sure you get my uh be pure candidate. You get
my information from my nephew, you know. When y'all hang
up the phone and uh and uh and yeah, we
can do we can do a second win. I don't
you know, I don't mind. Uh definitely got it.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
We got to be zong this one because we got
you got so much to talk about and we can't
cut it off, you know, So we got to resume
this show on to the next the next next session. Okay,
so okay, okay, bokay, Bill Cocky number two, it's coming up, Louise.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I love you, guys, Love you guys. I love you guys.
I love you guys. Man, all right, all right, man,
all right. Jesus first, yeah, I take care my boy
by telling me that's yours. Roger stood, and this is
your girl mother. Welcome to the Takeover.

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