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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Let's go on and always remember there is welcome to
another session of Musician Matters. How's everybody going on tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Good yay, good man.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It seems like Satan was trying to get the.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Best out of this podcast because he knew what was
going on and what was about to happen.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
You understand, I know, right, that's that's crazy about it.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yes, So what I'm trying to say is God's gonna
get the glory out of this.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And I'm just honored to just say.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
That our guest, he is truly one of the first hosts,
the co hosts that have been on the podcast, so
he's not new to this podcast, so he's just.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
One of us. Let's welcome, day, let's welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
What's welcome Mastro Rogers, what's going on? What's up? Day?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Thank you guys. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Man is telling you. Man, I'm not understanding this.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Bro, It's like ridiculous because, like I was just telling
you when I was talking to you before on the phone,
and it seems like Satan was trying so hard for
this show not to work or not to be air tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, man, that's that's what That's what happens when you
do something great, you can expect opposition.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Like I was telling the host tonight that that you
have a lot of nuggets for us.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
On tonight, we're gonna be talking about music directors.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Being been on a streak of music directors, but with
the music directors go through and the the the atmosphere
and basically what the music director is all about. You
understand what I'm saying. There's a lot of there's a
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lot of things that the music directors go through. There's
a lot of things that you see I see that
other peoples cannot see.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You understand what I'm say.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So oh yeah, before we go up to this segment,
introduce yourself.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I know the woman, I know you, but I know
you my brothers.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Man.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I'm I'm just a servant. Man. My name is David Rogers.
I've been playing for a long time. Most of my
life now about thirty five years, about thirty five iss
years I've been playing. Grew up in the church. Grew
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up in the church. Plans started at the age of
five on the drum kit, and and and and in Chicago, Illinois.
Kind of blossom from there. It came to Vegas at
about two thousand. That's the story in itself. But yeah, man,
been here grinding, working doing music, man and and and
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loving people.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Amen and Man, I understand that that's a good thing
when you can just sit there and love the people.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And that's the hard part's part of easy. Why you
say that, Well, I mean, man like yo like uh
as as obviously it's a Christian podcast. We kind of
talk about the Okay, it's it's still.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Over itself, bro be yourself.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh yeah, I'm just saying it's a Christian podcast, so
can I can kind of go that direction? Uh man?
As as as we're called to be more than musicians,
Like the ultimate call is is to to love your neighbor.
You know what I'm saying, Loving your like Jesus said,
like loving your neighbor like encompasses all the commandments. If
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you love God and love your day back yourself. You
you do all the commandment?
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Yes, sir, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
That's so yeah man, that's that's sort of my mission
is is to to love God, love people man, and
and inspire people to to create via the vehicle of music.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, You've been creating for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I've been watching the videos, my brother, I've been watching
your videos.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
If if you're not doing.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
A session or if you're not in the suit or somewhere,
you're you're definitely creating all the time.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Man, Like I tried my best to make sure that
I create every day. Okay, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Was you on the drums, was on the base today?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Uh, today was a tracking session here at my studio,
So it was sort of a writing and tracking session.
We worked from.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
About twelve to about.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Six and then I was like, okay, I got to
get on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And then looking at what happened, man, right.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Right, that's that's wild.
Speaker 8 (06:29):
So so, David, who who all have you collaborated with
as far as like the projects and session work.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I've been in the in the both the Christian and
secular space for a long time.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Recently I've been collaborating with Britt Jones. Oh, we love.
I don't know to say what projects we're working on
because it as it like they haven't been released yet.
But Brent, you know, Brent was here in Vegas for
a while and I met him, uh through some mutual
friends with some musicians here, and took the liking to
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me right away. He recognized the talent, and he recognized like, hey,
like this kid can do some some different stuff. And
so he got to like working back and forth, sending
some projects back and forth. Recently, Keith Sweat on the
on the artist side, and I primarily work in sync. Like,
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so my day job is sink licensing, working for TV
and film. Like I've had music on almost every network MTV,
b t V, h One, Hulu, Netflix, Comedy Central, Cartoon Network.
I have a lot of music on Cartoon Network. Yeah,
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that's sort of like where I kind of found a
niche for myself and also like being also a musician,
like playing at church. I was at Hope Church for
seventeen years. It's the third largest evangelical church in the
state of Nevada top I think they top out at
like fifty five hundred members or something like that. Last
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time what's the church. Wow, it's Hope Church.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
Okay, okay, so behind behind Central.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And Canyon Ridge. It's the third largest evangelical exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes, yes, and so I was.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
We's the director of the Air Force seventeen years.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Shouts out to Bren Jones. I love it some, Bren Jones.
I yes, yes, I got a chance to take a
picture and just shake his hand and you know, show
the love.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And everything that he does for this community, everything that
he's done. And one of my favorite songs from Brady
Jones is nothing else matters.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Right, you heard that song? Absolutely, man, we do that
one at the church. And uh, what I love about
britt Man is he's an Actually he's a real person. Yes, yes,
he's not a he's not a character of a of
a Christian like, he's a real person man. And we
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have real discussions like we almost.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
Never talk about music. Those are discussions right there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
That is a man so.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Like yo, we we kind of just go back and
forth and man like he like yo, he don't mind
renal challenge you, but he don't mind take and critique too.
And he and and that's as great as he is
and as accomplished as he is, he still wants to learn,
and I feel like that's commendable. I take that away
from One of the things I take away from Brendan's
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that he's teachable. He's still like, he still wants to learn.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
That's all that's isn't that when we talked about like
two weeks ago, Yeah, two weeks he never stopped learning.
Even with all the man, even with all those stellar
A wars that he has, he still has an open mind.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
And that's a blessing.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Absolutely absolutely, And he and and he'll he don't mind
asking the questions like he'll he'll he'll call me, hey, Dave,
what do you think about this? Say what do you
think about that? And I'm like okay, And I can
tell him, like my opinion on things. He'll tell me
his opinion on things. Man. I think that what makes
an artist great. It's like, hey, like they're still expanding,
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like it's accomplished. As he is, He's still expanding what he.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Knows, and that's what makes it relevant.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yes, I think he just did. I think he just
did an album just a few months ago. Yeah, yeah,
did Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I just can't wait to hear that one. Were
you part of that got some left heel stuff we're doing. Man,
I can't wait for people to hear. I don't know
how they're gonna receive it, but like I think it's
gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
No, what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna get
up there and just call on them say dread.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
But you know you can tell me. I'm gonna say bread.
You just tell me a little bit, you.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Know, hey, Man, if you askuse, he might play it
for you.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, oh, glove, it's like this,
you gotta do it. Just I understand you just don't
want to say certain things and don't want break it
out to the world yet.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
But tell him a little bit of a boutton.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So me. And so when Ritt heard kind of like
my production, yeh, he kind of understood like where I
was coming from me and like we both have an
affinity for like diverse styles of music. So even though
I han create doctor music, I can I can do
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like the gospel style. Like my uh my ability stretches
beyond that, I believe, so like I can do I
can produce just about any style of music that I
can hear anything, anything, anything, so it's it's like, hey,
like if if you if you go on my TikTok,
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you're gonna hear all kinds of old school You're gonna
hear video game music because that's the niche that I
work in.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, ship waiting on the promo, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Oh yeah, man, Well you know I do other stuff
like that, like the graphics and you gotta you got
you gotta tell me. We gotta tell me what you want. Man,
en me end me some stuff, and I put it.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
I put the goun talent.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
We got a man of the scholar. We got the
gentleman of the scholar.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yes, sir, yes, Now now listen, I'm telling y'all he's
open and and he got a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Of stuff that you may want to hear.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
So if you've got some questions asked, and it shall
be getting okay.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Oh yeah, in the door shall be open.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
Well yeah, I love so and now have ability Okay,
well I have I have a silly question. Everybody's gonna law.
But that's okay. This was what the podcast is for.
I wish I had cookies for this one.
Speaker 10 (14:06):
So and the middle right, are you related to Calvin
Rodgers or Maurice Rogers.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Well everyone asked that. So this funny story, Calvin and
I went to high school together. So Calvin, me, Calvin
and Philip Peaster from from Fred, like we all went
to the same high school at the same time in Chicago.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
And so I kind of grew up shdding with those two.
At the time I was mainly playing, I had like
was gravitating to play in the bass and to be
Calvin on drus so on our high school got acquired.
The band was Calvin Rodgers on drums, Me on bass,
and Philip Peters strong keys. Okay, and so like we
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we go all over the city playing like and obviously
you know, like those are the like Calvin and Philip
are Chicago legends at this point. Man, Like the work,
the work they've done with Fred and Philip. People don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Like all of the like new direction, like the Gray.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Boys stuff that came out of Chicago in the late
in the like the min like early to mid two thousands.
That's Philip Piasta on all the keys, on all that stuff,
Like all that Grammy Award winning gospel choir stuff. That's
Philip Pista on piano. Gray Boys.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
As Donald Lawrence say, it's the Chicago thing.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's a Chicago thing, that's right.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And what's funny is like it literally when you brought down,
you bought down to it. It kind of is because
that's definitely a sound, right, And I kind of grew
up in that, in that sound before I left him
and came to the West Coast. That was kind of
like the sound I was seeped in, like those cats
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like I was playing with, Like are the high level cats? Now?
It's like okay, yeah, man, like these are people like
I I just old to lunch with every day at school.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
That's how give me.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
But literally everyone asked me that I'm from Cargo. They're like, oh,
you must be related to Calvin Listen.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
I have to ask because I'm asking so born.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I was born in South Hoist, Chicago.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Mm hmm. I was going to hold on and broke
up what we beat? Who old me? Yeah, it kind
of broke up whatever.
Speaker 11 (16:44):
I have to ask because y'a originally from Chicago.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Raided them in the eye.
Speaker 11 (16:51):
Whereas my cousin, my casting knows those guys. Every time
I have a conversation went on, they always come up
in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, man like Yo, I'm from the
South Side too, like born and raised forty second in
cottage on the low End, which is kind of not there,
no more embraced called Bronsville now Bronzeville.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Yeah, I try to stay away from Chicago.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I'm headed there tomorrow knowing like Chrozy.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Oh yeah it is, knowing we got hit, Kansas City,
got hit.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Go ahead ooh.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Not far as of the mg H Rogers. Musicians go
through a lot, absolutely specially the music music director specials
of music productor. He goes, he has the.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Basically the he hears from the pasta he's hearing from
the the church members, he's hearing from a resition, him
from uh basically everybody. So right, The reason why I'm
saying that because I had to go through it.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm still going through it right now. Yes I am
a drummer, Yes.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
I am acting as the drummer. But certain things I do,
they do leave my expertise. So basically what I'm trying
to stay is, when you're going through this this this
same certain situation, how do you act towards the situation?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
How do you you uh act when you have certain
things coming at you all at one time.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Well, in the sense that the.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Secular and the Christianity moment, that's basically.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
One, right. I feel like in the secular space it's
a little bit easier. Uh. I feel like it's it's
in that space. You're hired to do a job. The
spirituality in that in that in that instance, uh, even
though I believe it's there, in some cases is it
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takes a backseat to the job that you're hired to do.
So you're kind of protected in the sense that hey,
so and so they they might be hired to do
this job. If he does his job adequately, then you
know what I'm saying, like he's above board, like he
gets to play next week. In the church, I feel
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like in the church aspect, you have so much you
have so many varying views on how your job should
be done as the m D, and you have so
many responsibilities to feel I think in that instance, what
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I would I was doing at my at my church
when I was there, I would literally just kind of
like bullet points the things like, Hey, what are the
what are the response? What are my definite responsibilities that
I need to hit? Am I hitting those responsibilities? If
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I'm achieving the goals that you want me to do
as the leader of the ministry. Then everything else is
outside of that, no matter what you want me to
like how you want me to approach, or what I
might have said or whatever, you know what I'm saying, Like, Hey,
if our goal is to be multicultural, and is that
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being pushed from the push from the praise team? Is
that being pushed from the forefront? Hey? If you want
musical excellence, is that being pushed from the forefront? Is Hey?
Is it? Is it deep connection with God? Is that
being pushed to the forefront. Whatever the big bullet points are,
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let's hit those first, okay, and then let's talk about
the other stuff. And I mean, like yo, like even
boiling it down to hey, like what is as the
worst of ministry in this particular church? What is our goal?
What is our goal? Hey? We know we're here to
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serve God and the love God, But what is our
goal as it pertains to the execution on Sunday? Do
we want to engage the people? Do we want to
adminus God?
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Like?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
How do we want to do that? And then let
that be the lead that that takes you down the
path Like, Okay, here's how we're accomplishing these things by saying, Okay,
now we have solid goals and solid milestones that we
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want to hit, and I mean, like, yo, they're just
they're arbitrary. But still if you don't have those, then
anybody come along and say, well, I just felt like
Sunday y'all didn't do a good job exactly exactly, you
know what I'm saying, and now down that it's in
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everybody's ear, like well, because you know, you're only as
good as last Sunday.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
That is true, and so it don't matter that, hey man,
for a month, y'all been killing it. God been filling
the place up, you know what I'm saying, and he's
sleeping through like a mighty win. You have one song
that don't land, they'll be like, well, I feel like
y'all didn't do too good, but the last last too much.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Why is it that they remember that one song?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Because yeah, because but you know what, we had this
discussion at our church because it came to a head
and I was like, hey, are we allowed to fail
or not?
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Come on? Say so we're all led the least once
we're here, Like okay, like if we're.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Allowed to fail. How you know what I'm saying, because like, yo,
you might you might have a song that you thought
was gonna.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Land and it just wasn't a Sunday for.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
That right or and and and and this has happened
times in several different ministries that I've been a part of.
You sang the song, it didn't You thought it didn't
connect m but somebody in the service it connected. It
didn't connect with everybody, but it connected with a few people.
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And it was just because it didn't connect with everybody.
Everybody thought, hey, even didn't do.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
A good job.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Wow, and and and and you'll go home beating yourself
up because, oh man, I just really thought that song
was gonna minister, I really thought that song was gonna
gonna break through. And it wouldn't for everybody. It was
for a few people that came that that really got it.
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And so I stressed, like to my teams, I would
stress this like, hey, one man water, one man planting,
one man water, God give the increase the people that
planted in water, and don't worry about the the water.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
And you have to understand also that some people come
to church with the wrong attitudes. You can you can
play and do whatever you want to do to try to,
you know, get them into the service, but they'll just
sit there, so you can't really you can't focus on
how they're looking or how they're feeling. You have to
let the spirit lead you. You get what I'm.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Saying, absolutely, and and and but the problem I think
jumps in there when you're using visual engagement as a
metrics mm hm like and and that was one thing
we had to butt cut. We put a pin right there.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
One of the things I like.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
One of the great things I liked about being at
Hope with the pastorship that was there was behind closed
doors we were allowed to butt heads. Wow I love yes, yes, yes,
and so I so in front of me as the
musical as instrumental music director, I had a buffer in
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my worship past We have two worship pastors, Teddy Johnson
and the pastor who is now currently the lead pastor there,
Scott Wordenson. I had a.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Buffer in between them.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
We would butt head and we would we would get
on one accord and then they would take that to
the lead pastors and say, Okay, this is why we
decided to do this thing. So the head pastors didn't
come down on my head. HM. So I had a
buffer between there. They could say, well, here, this is
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what he was trying to do, this is what he
was trying to implement. Let him try it again. Let's
give him some time to let it work it out.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
You see what I'm saying. It's so much harder when
you have most putting a pain right there. Most lead
pastors have a fifty thousand foot view of where they
want the ministry to go.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
They don't really view the minute.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Show day to day how you get things done. They
don't really view that m They're like, yo, is it working?
Is it not? If it's not working, we need to
cut it and be like wait a minute, hold on
pasta like give it some time to grow, Like it's
got to grow. And so having a liaison in between
the pastorship and the lay members who are just like, yo,
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I just come to Urson to see my part. They
don't understand what the past is like literally is trying
to convey talking this fifty thousand foot talk. Oh, we're
gonna have a dome. We gonna you know what I'm saying,
We were gonna be bigger than tdj D. They don't
understand that, and so like that liaison in the middle,
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it's got to translate that. And I think that part
of being a good one worship pastor over the worship
leaders is to be able to be able to take
that information and translate it down and distill it into
a form that your lay membership can understand.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, And that's one of the one of the the
pain points that we had to work through over seventeen
years was how do we take what the past what?
Because hope it has got like seventeen different passes. It's
is crazy. They got to pass over everything. I used
to tell people I was a food pastor as a
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path over. Any time there's food, I'm gonna be open.
But like, they gotta pass over everything. So both folks
just got one. Imagine trying to flee seventeen and getting
seventeen folks to the freaks. Wow, there's three. There's like
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a three. There's like a there was three leadership. That's
at the top. There's three main pastors and then they
under them were other pastors, youth pastors. You know what
I'm saying, Like the pastor of like you have a
bereavement pastor like all kinds of different auxiliaries of the
church under them, is like deacons and deaconis is and
things of that nature. So there was a hierarchy, yes,
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but like, hey, if I want to get a new peopleard,
I got to get seventeen pastors to agree or give
me a new keeper.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh I like that.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
I do not like that. So, like I said, we
had to work through. So if I mean it, drum heads.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
So if I need it, some drumheads, basically, if I
need I would have to go to those seventeen pastors basically.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
So one thing that they put it in the place
is they actually made you submit a budget for every year.
So if you want a drumhead, it's like, hey, is
it any your budget? Is it not?
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So if I wanted to say, hey, I want to
take the entire worship ministry bowling at south Point on
this day, I had to submit a request for my budget,
like hey, can I get these budgetary funds on that?
And then a finance like a fine as person would
would bring it before the PASTORSHI would say, Okay, this
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is what they want to spend this money on. It's
in their budget, they have it. They submit it for it.
Can they use it right now? And they would say yeah,
it's then the budget go ahead.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Well, I mean I'm gonna tell you like this, I'm
just glad for right now.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
Yes, that's a lot of pastors I've.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Never heard of.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Seventeen.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, and so that's seventeen pastors and there's a committee,
there's a finance committee. Like we're talking of five thousand
member church. That's the three campuses, you know what I'm
saying like that that with global outr each Like, yo.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
You got one question, Robert, how do the seventeen pastors
remember all five thousand of those names? So you know
what's funny is I actually got to spend some.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Time out at Rick Warren's church Saddleback in California, and
at that point, his main guy out there his name
was David Sean, and he told us he's, like, Yo,
one of the reasons for multiple tiers of leadership is
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you can only pastor one hundred people, like you can
literally only touch as a pastor. You can only personally
touch one hundred people. Okay, So your goal in pastoring
a church is to pour into leadership that pours into people.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So it's not the lead pastor trying to remember all
five thousand people. It's the lead pastor pouring into his
leadership that pours into the leadership below them, and then
those people touch the individual. You know what I'm saying. Auxiliaries,
If somebody like, hey, somebody's grandmother died and they need
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to do a funeral, there's a whole department that does that.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Wow, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Hey, if there's an outreach or they want to do
another church plant, there's a whole department that does that.
So it's not like, Hey, the pastor. One thing I
feel like that kills pastors is they feel like they
gotta impart vision to every auxiliary. You know, they going around,
They gotta, they gotta they put their two cents in
on the worst team, and they got to go put
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they two cents in over here with the deacons. They
gotta go to go back over here to the motherboard,
put they two cents in back there, And I'm like, yo,
that's going to kill you as a leader.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
I love the fact of the seventeen pastors. I'm more
of it. I come from a smaller church. I go
to church now, But what happens when you want someone
on one with the pastor and the first lady or
is there ever a time you get to do that
or do you have to go through.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
There is an entire UH care ministry run by accredited
people walking about folks with pads like counselors. Like, because
that was one of the one of the pain points
folks to bringing to the church is like, well I
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don't have access to any personal any personal time with leadership.
And they were like, well, there's no way to give
that much personal time to everybody that's there, So we
really need to start cultivating UH some sort of situation
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that provides care, mental care, physical care. Hey remember, like
I don't know if you saw a couple of weeks
ago where the lady was calling around the churches with
the screaming baby in the back trying to get the formula.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
Oh wow, No I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, that there was a thing that happened if he
was calling churches and the churches wasn't given at a
formula oh wow, oh wow. And so like situations I've
been I've literally been at the church, like because I
would be at the church like all times at night
because I'm a night out. I would be up there
and people will walk into the church because I leave
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the door open. People walk into the church and like, hey,
I just needed someplace to pray, or I just needed
some you know what I'm saying, somebody to pray with,
or I just needed Hey, I'm hungry. My child is hungry.
Da da da day. And like, yo, that was a
thing that was constantly happening. Okay, so it's like, Okay,
we need to meet this is a need that we
need to meet in the community.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yeah, that's definitely a need that needs to be met
right now.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And that's the reason for so much pastorship at Hope.
It's not because hey, we like just having pastors sitting around.
We got we won't you got enough money to pay
all these folks. It's like, hey, we need to have
folks that are ready on call. When these types of
things happen, you go right directly to it.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
And so obviously with a bigger church, you need more folks.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
And that and that was gonna be my next question.
I know we're running out of time, but I just
got one more question. Of that church, five thousand people,
how does that look?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
One? It's not all at one time in one service.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
Goscha.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Okay, so we're counting. We're counting three. We're counting here,
Like what we have the main what we call the
main South campus, the Henderson campus, and we have a
Boulder City campus.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
Okay, okay, So that's.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
That's three different campuses with all their owned equipment, all
their own you know what I'm saying. Like they worship
teams at all three campuses, like literally that and then
so we're counting all that as well, Okay, gotcha. And
then that lead pastor would go around like normally they
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have a campus pastor, that preacher is there, but sometimes
hey you're gonna get one of the pastors from the
main campus preaching at your campus, gotcha. Or you're gonna
get the lead pastor he's gonna go out to Boulder
City and preach where he's gonna come out to Henderson
and preacher he's gonna go you know what I'm saying.
So you don't know, like and the way they kind
of get around that they have.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
A teaching team.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
It's not necessarily oh hey this pastor just does his
own thing. It's like, hey, they're all and they preach
exponentially through the Bible. So you know what the next
verse is gonna be. It's like, hey, if you and
the you and the you in the Gospels and you
and John, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
the next versus John is gonna be this mmh. So
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about everybody that's preaching that week is preaching that same message.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Wow, that is a blessing. Shots out Pastor Kelly and
a lady.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Kelly, because one of those, I mean these pastors and
this Lady of God she had they have been a
vessel the uh and the young pastors and a young pastor.
You know, he's not the one of the Yes, he's
(37:34):
uh U pastor with the good Word and the good
knowledge and the good PhD and all that stuff. But
he can go from a child's point of view, right, Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Is he thereink got lost to.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Hit them? Yeah, yeah, I think he might have.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
Oh man, Yeah, the devil's been busy, y'all.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, it's getting good.
Speaker 7 (38:20):
It's getting to this, Yes, it is especially the truth.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, still good. And we want to know more about.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Your church and the ministry. And once you started speaking
about John and scriptures and versus already not today, you know,
trying to take the party. People are listening all over
the world. They need to hear this absolutely corrupt the podcast.
This is the third time.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
He did it tonight.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I well, we're gonna review him right now. He don't
got no place, He got no place on this thing.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
He sure doesn't. So but but yeah, man, that's that's
sort of that's.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Sort of how the and and and obviously that that
church was built out of a out of another large ministry,
so when it was kind of instantiated, it kind of
came with those values.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Yeah, that's amazing. I mean, I just think that it's
it's great that it's it's such a large church with
but everybody has their own position and working together, you know,
that's amazing. That's amazing. And the mere fact that you
said something that caught my eye. You said we can
butt head and.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
And and then that and then that it's just too
if I could jump in there and that, it's just
I'm not saying, hey, I could be disrespectful. I don't
want people to mistake that like hey, like I could
just go off on the pastor ship. But like, yo,
if I disagree with something, I can call a meeting
and say hey, I didn't agree with this.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
You can be heard, you can speak your voice in
a respectful way.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Right.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
A lot of people don't get a chance to do
that in the ministry.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah, And I feel like that's kind of what's missing.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
That's definitely what's missing. If everybody you.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Got, you got, you got on back.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
See I told you come on, come.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
On back, right, welcome back. That's been missing, that's been
missing for a long time. I feel like just that
accountability from leadership to say, okay, I hear you, let's
fix what's broken. Yeah, we're called to the Ministry of
Reconciliation and like that. And and then we in that,
(40:43):
we have to start with ourselves inside the ministry before
we say, hey, we're going to reconcile a loss, let's
be reconcileding to ourselves first. Yes, yes, and say hey,
let's get on one accord on ourselves. It didn't say hey,
when the crowd was on one accord, is when the
levits was on one accord? Say it so, like I said,
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like us being in us operating in a levitical manner
inside the turn. I don't I want I don't know
where everybody is on like the littlevitical order or whatever whatever.
But like yo, us operating in that manner, in the
same manner that the Levikes did inside the temple, I
would think that it would be it would behoove us
to be on one page and on one accord within
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ourselves internally. Yep. And I've been in minitaries where you
can tell right off like that's the issue. It's like, oh,
y'all don't get it together internally yet exactly that's evident
right off the min like, oh, oh, so and so
don't like so and so anytime with the so and
so scene over here? Got issue.
Speaker 7 (41:52):
That's another issue. Everyone wants the title. They have to
have a title. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
And one thing I hate to keep interjecting, but like yo,
one thing I really appreciated about, uh so when my
when my pastor was there, his name is Vance Pittman.
Vance Pittman is now the president of the sind S,
the n D Network. It's the it's the world's largest
missionary missionary sending platform on the planet.
Speaker 7 (42:23):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
I think they do like seventy one million dollars in
missions a year.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Wow. And so they're base they're based out of Alpharetta Georgia. Uh,
and I worked with I worked with them very closely.
That being said, uh, when he was when when I
was that hope and he was a pastor. You know,
I come from church church, you know I grew up.
I grew up Kajent. We don't call the pastor by
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his first name, noc. We put past. We're gonna put
past a reverend in front of it, or bishop or
you know what I'm saying. We're gonna put some honorifics
on and front of it. He's like, just call me Vance. Wow.
And he I'm talking about a man with.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
With multiple degrees.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
PhD files all around the world, speaking to multiple continents.
He's like, hey, my name is Van. When you meet him,
he said, hey, what's your name? I'm vanced like to
meet you. Wow. And so a lot of times if.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
You if you didn't they didn't see.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
People preach from the stage, you didn't know they were
a pastor. You just knew, like, hey, this guy just
always comes and talks to me. It's like, hey, I
didn't like because they're there, they didn't do titles there,
and now now me personally they accepted it from me.
I'm like listen, I'm not finished. I'm too old to change.
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I'm gonna put pastor in front.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Of it, right, I'm.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Like, at least pastor, man, you know what I'm saying,
Pastor Daddy, I'm gonna put some honorifics on it, because like, yo,
like we get and if we didn't, oh, you're going
to call it pass about his first name? Like oh
that They don't even sit right with me. But I
understand what he was getting at. He wanted everybody to
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feel like, hey, like, you know, like honorifics don't mean
nothing in the in the in the Kingdom of God, Like,
don't only high one is Jesus he the only high
daulty one?
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Hey, man, before we go, before we close it, show
me we got a game to play. You know what's up?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Man? Okay, just called our sauce.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
It's called our sauces. So basically, we got five words
in peace.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Uh so the first five words that we give, you
gotta give us the first thing that comes to mind. Okay, cool,
I'm gonna go first, uh groove?
Speaker 2 (44:57):
What was the word?
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Brup? Gre oh? Man? Chickens there chick The chicken still
gonna be the basis of everything. I don't care Like
(45:21):
chicken snare gonna make you move. That's all I need
to make. All I need is a footstop in the
hand clip to make you move. Best recording ever, best
recorded ever?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, out of.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
What like that's out of music ever of all time?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
One of them, any one of them? Oh my gosh,
ever of all time ever?
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Oh Yo Seee Wonders songs in the Key of Life.
Speaker 7 (45:59):
Oh okay, So how was that?
Speaker 3 (46:05):
I feel that, like Yo the Sonics on that album
like Hold Up Today, and that was recorded like decades ago, yeh.
And I was high at loyalty to the most high man.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
The man.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
I love that.
Speaker 9 (46:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
You can't be loyal to nobody else if you not
loyd to him.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
That's right. The next word is u people.
Speaker 7 (46:36):
Love them, Love.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Them from where they are. Okay, love them from where
they are, man something. You gotta love people from where
they where they at. You can't love people to where
you want them to be.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Goodness. My last word. My last word is beat vacation.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
What was it ecation?
Speaker 2 (47:01):
The vocation is vacation like.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Vocation like the job.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
No favorite vacation, Oh, vacation.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
I think that vocation like uh, vacation. Man, I'm I'm
I'm either in the crib tough in and put up,
or I'm on the beat somewhere with my prosa. Some
stand dook I go no funader. Uh.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Then we're gonna save the queen for last.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (47:33):
Uh, let's see enter.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Enter his gates with thanksgiving the interest on the tree.
Yes man, okay, all.
Speaker 5 (47:50):
Right, all right, all right, Uh old chasten.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
See that the Lord is good.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Yes, and worst he.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Into it forever. Yes, sad, Yes, that's one would work.
But keep going.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Okay, Okay, I will.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Bless the Lord at all times. Just praise shall continually
be in my mouth. My soul will make a boast
of the Lord. And the humble shall hear her up
and be.
Speaker 7 (48:19):
Glassy man to that.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
And we we're gonna ready red offer tonight.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
This is gonna be. This is this is getting good.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Let your light so shine before men. Yes, men, so
see that good works and glorify God who's in heaven. Okay, man,
I'm about to have I'm about to have.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Worry back the word.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I'm like, oh w w won't he do it? Won't
he do it? Yes?
Speaker 7 (49:18):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yes, oh man?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Uh to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I'm having a great.
Speaker 5 (49:26):
Time, so I'm gonna let my sister have it.
Speaker 6 (49:30):
Okay, okay, bod, I have some good ones.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
Let me see. I think I'm gonna go this way.
So what is your favorite drum to play?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (49:50):
I've always played Pearl drums have always been the kids
I played. I like other drum sets, but like Pearl
has just been home for me.
Speaker 7 (50:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
And if Pearl, here's just go Pearl drums.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
Gott girl drums, girl drum. What would be your favorite food?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Oh yo, I'm I really love taypehood and I really
love Indian food. Indian food is probably my favorite food. Okay,
Like tika massala.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Like the currys, different kinds of curries. Oh, I love
It's so flavorful. Uh huh that's my damn my dam
right there.
Speaker 7 (50:46):
If you have a favorite drummer, who would that be? Oh?
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Favorite drummer?
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Oh? Oh?
Speaker 3 (50:56):
One of my good friends who passed away recently is
was by Far I like being absolutely great human being,
but as a drummer, he was phenomenal. He was a
(51:17):
drummer for Usher. For god, how long was he drummer
for Usher?
Speaker 5 (51:23):
Almost like twenty years year years.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, yeah, like yo, he played for Usher up until
almost he passed. It's my good friend Aaron Spears. Man
like another guy who influenced highly, another guy who we
almost never talked about music. Every time he called, man like,
we talked about family and you know what I'm saying,
(51:50):
like just the joys of fatherhood. And his family adored him,
and I was so blessed andencouraged by meeting. Having a
short time, I was able to befriend him and call
him my friend and to listen to him play every
week because he came over to my studio everywhere every
(52:11):
week before he go to Usher. When he was here
to come over to my studio, we do an episode
of he played on the Mass Singer, so we did.
We did three seasons of the Mass. He did drums
for three seasons of The Mass Singer at my studio
and then he would leave my studio, catch an uber
and go over the Usher. Wow wow, amazing. But yeah,
(52:35):
Aaron by far is one of my favorites. Is by
far my favorite drummer.
Speaker 7 (52:40):
Amazing, amazing. My last question is, if you could do
one thing to change in this world, what would.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
It be one thing to change in this world. Not
to not to be cliche, but I would introduce I
would introduce everyone to Christ, whether you take him or not,
(53:10):
I would. I would at least introduce you to them
and say, hey, here's a here's an honest look at
the that's the real life of Christ, not the cartoons
that they put on Facebook and the way they got
them fighting Godzilla, not that like the real Christ of
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the Bible. And then let people make their decisions from there.
I understand everybody not gonna go. I understand everybody that
you know it's a it's a it's a wide path
that leads to the destruction, is a narrow path that
leads righteousness. I know that. But like yo, the command
was go therefore in the all nations, and you know
what I'm saying, and make disciples. They play music. Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Church doors right right, the change doors.
Speaker 7 (54:08):
Open it up.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
We don't need offer plate right now. The church doors
are open, you know.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
Church doors.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, you can get them, that.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Ain't you. You can get them there if you listen.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
You heard what sad exactly you can, Preacher boy Jesus.
So before we close the show, Big Brouh, give us
something positive. That we can, you know, just right off
(54:52):
or just uh just lean on, you know, until the
till our next Sunday.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
You know, even though I'm gonna wake up, studying the
anyways will give us something possible, you know, you know.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Have grace. I hear the spirit that I'm not a
person that be like, oh the Spirit told me. But
I hear the sayers say, I have grace for yourself. Okay,
give grace. If you're going to give grace to others,
you gotta storry by giving grace to yourself once, like
this is my personal testimony, and then I'll let y'all go.
Like yo, I would beat myself up, like I would
(55:30):
try to. I spend a long time trying to be a.
Speaker 7 (55:33):
Good Christian Jesus okay.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
And trying to dot the eyes and cross the t's,
and I would so disheartened when I would fall. I
was so disheartened when I didn't make it. I was
so disheartened, and I felt like, well, you know.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
God don't love me now because you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
You wouldn't tell yourself that, but like you feel that way,
and we don't give ourselves grace enough to say Father
I'm back, agear, I mean grace for the days.
Speaker 7 (56:02):
Why I'm over here.
Speaker 3 (56:07):
And it's said he gives us we have new mercies
every day, So every day we get new mercy. Every
day we get new mercy. That's the benefit of being
connected to him. Wow. And so like, if he gives
you new mercy to day, why are you not giving
you new mercy every day?
Speaker 7 (56:25):
Gotamy come out there?
Speaker 3 (56:27):
Do we really have to end? I'm having you really
have this?
Speaker 2 (56:34):
It's a real good show. This is a real good show.
Well we have to do We're gonna have to have
them look back again.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
So basically, what's what's what's happening is we haven't you
noticed all of our podcasts for the past three day
three sessions has been nothing but music directors, right, nothing wants.
Speaker 7 (57:02):
Yes, there's nothing.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
But music director. So we're gonna have he's gonna have
to come.
Speaker 4 (57:08):
Back after uh probably uh after our next music director
next week. Next week we're gonna have We'll have Mike
Stromani Laurie.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
He's gonna be on next show.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
He's my brother, yess, my brother for life. You know
when I was in my my, my, my times, you know,
you know, you know, like in situations that I was
going through, you know, like before you know, we I
had to put up the studio over here. Uh, he
was checking up on me. Yes, I was going through
(57:44):
some situations and all I needed was just that phone
call and he was just there.
Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yeah. Yeah, I think perfect year though.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Oh my.
Speaker 4 (57:57):
He was just right there and at the right time.
And and I told him, thank you, bro. I needed that,
you know, And yes I did. I played a lot
of albums with him. But you know, that's a blessing.
That's a blessing just to sit there and say, that's
my little brother.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
He's been with the drunk He's been with the Drunk
Fest for ever since we started.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (58:23):
So you know, I love me some of mine and Laurie,
I know you love you some minor laury.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
So that yeah, man, that's my guy.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
And so and you're gonna you're gonna take us into Christmas, Okay,
So we're gonna to come back to the week before Christmas?
Yeah number two. Okay, you got it man for sure.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
So, uh, we're wont like to thank.
Speaker 4 (58:53):
Underwriter Jerry roys uh Er sold Positive Power of twenty
one for setting us at ways for us and were
about to say.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Peace and we are.
Speaker 3 (59:09):
Are God bless you, I bless you. Yep, joy me.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
That's your host, Roger Swift and boy the Swift Sauce
for you musicians. Matters podcast live right here seven pm
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Speaker 3 (59:43):
Let's go on and always remember there is
Speaker 2 (59:49):
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That's your host, Roger Swift, and boy you do I
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Let's go on and always remember there is welcome to
another session of Musician Matters. How's everybody going on tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Good yay, good man.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It seems like Satan was trying to get the.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Best out of this podcast because he knew what was
going on and what was about to happen.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
You understand, I know, right, that's that's crazy about it.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yes, So what I'm trying to say is God's gonna
get the glory out of this.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
And I'm just honored to just say.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
That our guest, he is truly one of the first hosts,
the co hosts that have been on the podcast, so
he's not new to this podcast, so he's just.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
One of us. Let's welcome, day, let's welcome.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
What's welcome Mastro Rogers, what's going on? What's up? Day?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Thank you guys. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Man is telling you. Man, I'm not understanding this.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Bro, It's like ridiculous because, like I was just telling
you when I was talking to you before on the phone,
and it seems like Satan was trying so hard for
this show not to work or not to be air tonight.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, man, that's that's what That's what happens when you
do something great, you can expect opposition.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Like I was telling the host tonight that that you
have a lot of nuggets for us.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
On tonight, we're gonna be talking about music directors.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Being been on a streak of music directors, but with
the music directors go through and the the the atmosphere
and basically what the music director is all about. You
understand what I'm saying. There's a lot of there's a
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lot of things that the music directors go through. There's
a lot of things that you see I see that
other peoples cannot see.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
You understand what I'm say.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So oh yeah, before we go up to this segment,
introduce yourself.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I know the woman, I know you, but I know
you my brothers.
Speaker 6 (03:18):
Man.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I'm I'm just a servant. Man. My name is David Rogers.
I've been playing for a long time. Most of my
life now about thirty five years, about thirty five iss
years I've been playing. Grew up in the church. Grew
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up in the church. Plans started at the age of
five on the drum kit, and and and and in Chicago, Illinois.
Kind of blossom from there. It came to Vegas at
about two thousand. That's the story in itself. But yeah, man,
been here grinding, working doing music, man and and and
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loving people.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Amen and Man, I understand that that's a good thing
when you can just sit there and love the people.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And that's the hard part's part of easy. Why you
say that, Well, I mean, man like yo like uh
as as obviously it's a Christian podcast. We kind of
talk about the Okay, it's it's still.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Over itself, bro be yourself.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh yeah, I'm just saying it's a Christian podcast, so
can I can kind of go that direction? Uh man?
As as as we're called to be more than musicians,
Like the ultimate call is is to to love your neighbor.
You know what I'm saying, Loving your like Jesus said,
like loving your neighbor like encompasses all the commandments. If
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you love God and love your day back yourself. You
you do all the commandment?
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Yes, sir, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
That's so yeah man, that's that's sort of my mission
is is to to love God, love people man, and
and inspire people to to create via the vehicle of music.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, You've been creating for quite some time.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I've been watching the videos, my brother, I've been watching
your videos.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
If if you're not doing.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
A session or if you're not in the suit or somewhere,
you're you're definitely creating all the time.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Man, Like I tried my best to make sure that
I create every day. Okay, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Was you on the drums, was on the base today?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Uh, today was a tracking session here at my studio,
So it was sort of a writing and tracking session.
We worked from.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
About twelve to about.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Six and then I was like, okay, I got to
get on this podcast.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
And then looking at what happened, man, right.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Right, that's that's wild.
Speaker 8 (06:29):
So so, David, who who all have you collaborated with
as far as like the projects and session work.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I've been in the in the both the Christian and
secular space for a long time.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Recently I've been collaborating with Britt Jones. Oh, we love.
I don't know to say what projects we're working on
because it as it like they haven't been released yet.
But Brent, you know, Brent was here in Vegas for
a while and I met him, uh through some mutual
friends with some musicians here, and took the liking to
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me right away. He recognized the talent, and he recognized like, hey,
like this kid can do some some different stuff. And
so he got to like working back and forth, sending
some projects back and forth. Recently, Keith Sweat on the
on the artist side, and I primarily work in sync. Like,
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so my day job is sink licensing, working for TV
and film. Like I've had music on almost every network MTV,
b t V, h One, Hulu, Netflix, Comedy Central, Cartoon Network.
I have a lot of music on Cartoon Network. Yeah,
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that's sort of like where I kind of found a
niche for myself and also like being also a musician,
like playing at church. I was at Hope Church for
seventeen years. It's the third largest evangelical church in the
state of Nevada top I think they top out at
like fifty five hundred members or something like that. Last
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time what's the church. Wow, it's Hope Church.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
Okay, okay, so behind behind Central.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
And Canyon Ridge. It's the third largest evangelical exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes, yes, and so I was.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
We's the director of the Air Force seventeen years.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Shouts out to Bren Jones. I love it some, Bren Jones.
I yes, yes, I got a chance to take a
picture and just shake his hand and you know, show
the love.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
And everything that he does for this community, everything that
he's done. And one of my favorite songs from Brady
Jones is nothing else matters.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Right, you heard that song? Absolutely, man, we do that
one at the church. And uh, what I love about
britt Man is he's an Actually he's a real person. Yes, yes,
he's not a he's not a character of a of
a Christian like, he's a real person man. And we
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have real discussions like we almost.
Speaker 9 (09:43):
Never talk about music. Those are discussions right there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
That is a man so.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Like yo, we we kind of just go back and
forth and man like he like yo, he don't mind
renal challenge you, but he don't mind take and critique too.
And he and and that's as great as he is
and as accomplished as he is, he still wants to learn,
and I feel like that's commendable. I take that away
from One of the things I take away from Brendan's
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that he's teachable. He's still like, he still wants to learn.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
That's all that's isn't that when we talked about like
two weeks ago, Yeah, two weeks he never stopped learning.
Even with all the man, even with all those stellar
A wars that he has, he still has an open mind.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
And that's a blessing.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Absolutely absolutely, And he and and he'll he don't mind
asking the questions like he'll he'll he'll call me, hey, Dave,
what do you think about this? Say what do you
think about that? And I'm like okay, And I can
tell him, like my opinion on things. He'll tell me
his opinion on things. Man. I think that what makes
an artist great. It's like, hey, like they're still expanding,
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like it's accomplished. As he is, He's still expanding what he.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Knows, and that's what makes it relevant.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yes, I think he just did. I think he just
did an album just a few months ago. Yeah, yeah,
did Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I just can't wait to hear that one. Were
you part of that got some left heel stuff we're doing. Man,
I can't wait for people to hear. I don't know
how they're gonna receive it, but like I think it's
gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
No, what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna get
up there and just call on them say dread.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
But you know you can tell me. I'm gonna say bread.
You just tell me a little bit, you.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Know, hey, Man, if you askuse, he might play it
for you.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, oh, glove, it's like this,
you gotta do it. Just I understand you just don't
want to say certain things and don't want break it
out to the world yet.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
But tell him a little bit of a boutton.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So me. And so when Ritt heard kind of like
my production, yeh, he kind of understood like where I
was coming from me and like we both have an
affinity for like diverse styles of music. So even though
I han create doctor music, I can I can do
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like the gospel style. Like my uh my ability stretches
beyond that, I believe, so like I can do I
can produce just about any style of music that I
can hear anything, anything, anything, so it's it's like, hey,
like if if you if you go on my TikTok,
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you're gonna hear all kinds of old school You're gonna
hear video game music because that's the niche that I
work in.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, ship waiting on the promo, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Oh yeah, man, Well you know I do other stuff
like that, like the graphics and you gotta you got
you gotta tell me. We gotta tell me what you want. Man,
en me end me some stuff, and I put it.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
I put the goun talent.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
We got a man of the scholar. We got the
gentleman of the scholar.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yes, sir, yes, Now now listen, I'm telling y'all he's
open and and he got a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Of stuff that you may want to hear.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
So if you've got some questions asked, and it shall
be getting okay.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Oh yeah, in the door shall be open.
Speaker 9 (13:49):
Well yeah, I love so and now have ability Okay,
well I have I have a silly question. Everybody's gonna law.
But that's okay. This was what the podcast is for.
I wish I had cookies for this one.
Speaker 10 (14:06):
So and the middle right, are you related to Calvin
Rodgers or Maurice Rogers.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Well everyone asked that. So this funny story, Calvin and
I went to high school together. So Calvin, me, Calvin
and Philip Peaster from from Fred, like we all went
to the same high school at the same time in Chicago.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
And so I kind of grew up shdding with those two.
At the time I was mainly playing, I had like
was gravitating to play in the bass and to be
Calvin on drus so on our high school got acquired.
The band was Calvin Rodgers on drums, Me on bass,
and Philip Peters strong keys. Okay, and so like we
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we go all over the city playing like and obviously
you know, like those are the like Calvin and Philip
are Chicago legends at this point. Man, Like the work,
the work they've done with Fred and Philip. People don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Like all of the like new direction, like the Gray.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Boys stuff that came out of Chicago in the late
in the like the min like early to mid two thousands.
That's Philip Piasta on all the keys, on all that stuff,
Like all that Grammy Award winning gospel choir stuff. That's
Philip Pista on piano. Gray Boys.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
As Donald Lawrence say, it's the Chicago thing.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
It's a Chicago thing, that's right.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And what's funny is like it literally when you brought down,
you bought down to it. It kind of is because
that's definitely a sound, right, And I kind of grew
up in that, in that sound before I left him
and came to the West Coast. That was kind of
like the sound I was seeped in, like those cats
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like I was playing with, Like are the high level cats? Now?
It's like okay, yeah, man, like these are people like
I I just old to lunch with every day at school.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
That's how give me.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
But literally everyone asked me that I'm from Cargo. They're like, oh,
you must be related to Calvin Listen.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
I have to ask because I'm asking so born.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I was born in South Hoist, Chicago.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Mm hmm. I was going to hold on and broke
up what we beat? Who old me? Yeah, it kind
of broke up whatever.
Speaker 11 (16:44):
I have to ask because y'a originally from Chicago.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Raided them in the eye.
Speaker 11 (16:51):
Whereas my cousin, my casting knows those guys. Every time
I have a conversation went on, they always come up
in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, man like Yo, I'm from the
South Side too, like born and raised forty second in
cottage on the low End, which is kind of not there,
no more embraced called Bronsville now Bronzeville.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Yeah, I try to stay away from Chicago.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I'm headed there tomorrow knowing like Chrozy.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Oh yeah it is, knowing we got hit, Kansas City,
got hit.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Go ahead ooh.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Not far as of the mg H Rogers. Musicians go
through a lot, absolutely specially the music music director specials
of music productor. He goes, he has the.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Basically the he hears from the pasta he's hearing from
the the church members, he's hearing from a resition, him
from uh basically everybody. So right, The reason why I'm
saying that because I had to go through it.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'm still going through it right now. Yes I am
a drummer, Yes.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
I am acting as the drummer. But certain things I do,
they do leave my expertise. So basically what I'm trying
to stay is, when you're going through this this this
same certain situation, how do you act towards the situation?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
How do you you uh act when you have certain
things coming at you all at one time.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Well, in the sense that the.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Secular and the Christianity moment, that's basically.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
One, right. I feel like in the secular space it's
a little bit easier. Uh. I feel like it's it's
in that space. You're hired to do a job. The
spirituality in that in that in that instance, uh, even
though I believe it's there, in some cases is it
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takes a backseat to the job that you're hired to do.
So you're kind of protected in the sense that hey,
so and so they they might be hired to do
this job. If he does his job adequately, then you
know what I'm saying, like he's above board, like he
gets to play next week. In the church, I feel
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like in the church aspect, you have so much you
have so many varying views on how your job should
be done as the m D, and you have so
many responsibilities to feel I think in that instance, what
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I would I was doing at my at my church
when I was there, I would literally just kind of
like bullet points the things like, Hey, what are the
what are the response? What are my definite responsibilities that
I need to hit? Am I hitting those responsibilities? If
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I'm achieving the goals that you want me to do
as the leader of the ministry. Then everything else is
outside of that, no matter what you want me to
like how you want me to approach, or what I
might have said or whatever, you know what I'm saying, Like, Hey,
if our goal is to be multicultural, and is that
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being pushed from the push from the praise team? Is
that being pushed from the forefront? Hey? If you want
musical excellence, is that being pushed from the forefront? Is Hey?
Is it? Is it deep connection with God? Is that
being pushed to the forefront. Whatever the big bullet points are,
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let's hit those first, okay, and then let's talk about
the other stuff. And I mean, like yo, like even
boiling it down to hey, like what is as the
worst of ministry in this particular church? What is our goal?
What is our goal? Hey? We know we're here to
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serve God and the love God, But what is our
goal as it pertains to the execution on Sunday? Do
we want to engage the people? Do we want to
adminus God?
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Like?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
How do we want to do that? And then let
that be the lead that that takes you down the
path Like, Okay, here's how we're accomplishing these things by saying, Okay,
now we have solid goals and solid milestones that we
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want to hit, and I mean, like, yo, they're just
they're arbitrary. But still if you don't have those, then
anybody come along and say, well, I just felt like
Sunday y'all didn't do a good job exactly exactly, you
know what I'm saying, and now down that it's in
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everybody's ear, like well, because you know, you're only as
good as last Sunday.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
That is true, and so it don't matter that, hey man,
for a month, y'all been killing it. God been filling
the place up, you know what I'm saying, and he's
sleeping through like a mighty win. You have one song
that don't land, they'll be like, well, I feel like
y'all didn't do too good, but the last last too much.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Why is it that they remember that one song?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Because yeah, because but you know what, we had this
discussion at our church because it came to a head
and I was like, hey, are we allowed to fail
or not?
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Come on? Say so we're all led the least once
we're here, Like okay, like if we're.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Allowed to fail. How you know what I'm saying, because like, yo,
you might you might have a song that you thought
was gonna.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Land and it just wasn't a Sunday for.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
That right or and and and and this has happened
times in several different ministries that I've been a part of.
You sang the song, it didn't You thought it didn't
connect m but somebody in the service it connected. It
didn't connect with everybody, but it connected with a few people.
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And it was just because it didn't connect with everybody.
Everybody thought, hey, even didn't do.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
A good job.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Wow, and and and and you'll go home beating yourself
up because, oh man, I just really thought that song
was gonna minister, I really thought that song was gonna
gonna break through. And it wouldn't for everybody. It was
for a few people that came that that really got it.
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And so I stressed, like to my teams, I would
stress this like, hey, one man water, one man planting,
one man water, God give the increase the people that
planted in water, and don't worry about the the water.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
And you have to understand also that some people come
to church with the wrong attitudes. You can you can
play and do whatever you want to do to try to,
you know, get them into the service, but they'll just
sit there, so you can't really you can't focus on
how they're looking or how they're feeling. You have to
let the spirit lead you. You get what I'm.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Saying, absolutely, and and and but the problem I think
jumps in there when you're using visual engagement as a
metrics mm hm like and and that was one thing
we had to butt cut. We put a pin right there.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
One of the things I like.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
One of the great things I liked about being at
Hope with the pastorship that was there was behind closed
doors we were allowed to butt heads. Wow I love yes, yes, yes,
and so I so in front of me as the
musical as instrumental music director, I had a buffer in
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my worship past We have two worship pastors, Teddy Johnson
and the pastor who is now currently the lead pastor there,
Scott Wordenson. I had a.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Buffer in between them.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
We would butt head and we would we would get
on one accord and then they would take that to
the lead pastors and say, Okay, this is why we
decided to do this thing. So the head pastors didn't
come down on my head. HM. So I had a
buffer between there. They could say, well, here, this is
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what he was trying to do, this is what he
was trying to implement. Let him try it again. Let's
give him some time to let it work it out.
Speaker 7 (26:46):
Gotcha.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
You see what I'm saying. It's so much harder when
you have most putting a pain right there. Most lead
pastors have a fifty thousand foot view of where they
want the ministry to go.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
They don't really view the minute.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Show day to day how you get things done. They
don't really view that m They're like, yo, is it working?
Is it not? If it's not working, we need to
cut it and be like wait a minute, hold on
pasta like give it some time to grow, Like it's
got to grow. And so having a liaison in between
the pastorship and the lay members who are just like, yo,
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I just come to Urson to see my part. They
don't understand what the past is like literally is trying
to convey talking this fifty thousand foot talk. Oh, we're
gonna have a dome. We gonna you know what I'm saying,
We were gonna be bigger than tdj D. They don't
understand that, and so like that liaison in the middle,
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it's got to translate that. And I think that part
of being a good one worship pastor over the worship
leaders is to be able to be able to take
that information and translate it down and distill it into
a form that your lay membership can understand.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, And that's one of the one of the the
pain points that we had to work through over seventeen
years was how do we take what the past what?
Because hope it has got like seventeen different passes. It's
is crazy. They got to pass over everything. I used
to tell people I was a food pastor as a
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path over. Any time there's food, I'm gonna be open.
But like, they gotta pass over everything. So both folks
just got one. Imagine trying to flee seventeen and getting
seventeen folks to the freaks. Wow, there's three. There's like
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a three. There's like a there was three leadership. That's
at the top. There's three main pastors and then they
under them were other pastors, youth pastors. You know what
I'm saying, Like the pastor of like you have a
bereavement pastor like all kinds of different auxiliaries of the
church under them, is like deacons and deaconis is and
things of that nature. So there was a hierarchy, yes,
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but like, hey, if I want to get a new peopleard,
I got to get seventeen pastors to agree or give
me a new keeper.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Oh I like that.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
I do not like that. So, like I said, we
had to work through. So if I mean it, drum heads.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
So if I need it, some drumheads, basically, if I
need I would have to go to those seventeen pastors basically.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
So one thing that they put it in the place
is they actually made you submit a budget for every year.
So if you want a drumhead, it's like, hey, is
it any your budget? Is it not?
Speaker 7 (29:59):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So if I wanted to say, hey, I want to
take the entire worship ministry bowling at south Point on
this day, I had to submit a request for my budget,
like hey, can I get these budgetary funds on that?
And then a finance like a fine as person would
would bring it before the PASTORSHI would say, Okay, this
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is what they want to spend this money on. It's
in their budget, they have it. They submit it for it.
Can they use it right now? And they would say yeah,
it's then the budget go ahead.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Well, I mean I'm gonna tell you like this, I'm
just glad for right now.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
Yes, that's a lot of pastors I've.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Never heard of.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Seventeen.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, and so that's seventeen pastors and there's a committee,
there's a finance committee. Like we're talking of five thousand
member church. That's the three campuses, you know what I'm
saying like that that with global outr each Like, yo.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
You got one question, Robert, how do the seventeen pastors
remember all five thousand of those names? So you know
what's funny is I actually got to spend some.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Time out at Rick Warren's church Saddleback in California, and
at that point, his main guy out there his name
was David Sean, and he told us he's, like, Yo,
one of the reasons for multiple tiers of leadership is
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you can only pastor one hundred people, like you can
literally only touch as a pastor. You can only personally
touch one hundred people. Okay, So your goal in pastoring
a church is to pour into leadership that pours into people.
Speaker 7 (31:56):
Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So it's not the lead pastor trying to remember all
five thousand people. It's the lead pastor pouring into his
leadership that pours into the leadership below them, and then
those people touch the individual. You know what I'm saying. Auxiliaries,
If somebody like, hey, somebody's grandmother died and they need
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to do a funeral, there's a whole department that does that.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Wow, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Hey, if there's an outreach or they want to do
another church plant, there's a whole department that does that.
So it's not like, Hey, the pastor. One thing I
feel like that kills pastors is they feel like they
gotta impart vision to every auxiliary. You know, they going around,
They gotta, they gotta they put their two cents in
on the worst team, and they got to go put
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they two cents in over here with the deacons. They
gotta go to go back over here to the motherboard,
put they two cents in back there, And I'm like, yo,
that's going to kill you as a leader.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
I love the fact of the seventeen pastors. I'm more
of it. I come from a smaller church. I go
to church now, But what happens when you want someone
on one with the pastor and the first lady or
is there ever a time you get to do that
or do you have to go through.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
There is an entire UH care ministry run by accredited
people walking about folks with pads like counselors. Like, because
that was one of the one of the pain points
folks to bringing to the church is like, well I
(33:35):
don't have access to any personal any personal time with leadership.
And they were like, well, there's no way to give
that much personal time to everybody that's there, So we
really need to start cultivating UH some sort of situation
(33:57):
that provides care, mental care, physical care. Hey remember, like
I don't know if you saw a couple of weeks
ago where the lady was calling around the churches with
the screaming baby in the back trying to get the formula.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
Oh wow, No I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah, that there was a thing that happened if he
was calling churches and the churches wasn't given at a
formula oh wow, oh wow. And so like situations I've
been I've literally been at the church, like because I
would be at the church like all times at night
because I'm a night out. I would be up there
and people will walk into the church because I leave
(34:31):
the door open. People walk into the church and like, hey,
I just needed someplace to pray, or I just needed
some you know what I'm saying, somebody to pray with,
or I just needed Hey, I'm hungry. My child is hungry.
Da da da day. And like, yo, that was a
thing that was constantly happening. Okay, so it's like, Okay,
we need to meet this is a need that we
need to meet in the community.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yeah, that's definitely a need that needs to be met
right now.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And that's the reason for so much pastorship at Hope.
It's not because hey, we like just having pastors sitting around.
We got we won't you got enough money to pay
all these folks. It's like, hey, we need to have
folks that are ready on call. When these types of
things happen, you go right directly to it.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
And so obviously with a bigger church, you need more folks.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
And that and that was gonna be my next question.
I know we're running out of time, but I just
got one more question. Of that church, five thousand people,
how does that look?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
One? It's not all at one time in one service.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
Goscha.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Okay, so we're counting. We're counting three. We're counting here,
Like what we have the main what we call the
main South campus, the Henderson campus, and we have a
Boulder City campus.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
Okay, okay, So that's.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
That's three different campuses with all their owned equipment, all
their own you know what I'm saying. Like they worship
teams at all three campuses, like literally that and then
so we're counting all that as well, Okay, gotcha. And
then that lead pastor would go around like normally they
(36:16):
have a campus pastor, that preacher is there, but sometimes
hey you're gonna get one of the pastors from the
main campus preaching at your campus, gotcha. Or you're gonna
get the lead pastor he's gonna go out to Boulder
City and preach where he's gonna come out to Henderson
and preacher he's gonna go you know what I'm saying.
So you don't know, like and the way they kind
of get around that they have.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
A teaching team.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
It's not necessarily oh hey this pastor just does his
own thing. It's like, hey, they're all and they preach
exponentially through the Bible. So you know what the next
verse is gonna be. It's like, hey, if you and
the you and the you in the Gospels and you
and John, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
the next versus John is gonna be this mmh. So
(37:00):
about everybody that's preaching that week is preaching that same message.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Wow, that is a blessing. Shots out Pastor Kelly and
a lady.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Kelly, because one of those, I mean these pastors and
this Lady of God she had they have been a
vessel the uh and the young pastors and a young pastor.
You know, he's not the one of the Yes, he's
(37:34):
uh U pastor with the good Word and the good
knowledge and the good PhD and all that stuff. But
he can go from a child's point of view, right, Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Is he thereink got lost to.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Hit them? Yeah, yeah, I think he might have.
Speaker 7 (38:12):
Oh man, Yeah, the devil's been busy, y'all.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, it's getting good.
Speaker 7 (38:20):
It's getting to this, Yes, it is especially the truth.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Yeah, still good. And we want to know more about.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Your church and the ministry. And once you started speaking
about John and scriptures and versus already not today, you know,
trying to take the party. People are listening all over
the world. They need to hear this absolutely corrupt the podcast.
This is the third time.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
He did it tonight.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I well, we're gonna review him right now. He don't
got no place, He got no place on this thing.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
He sure doesn't. So but but yeah, man, that's that's
sort of that's.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Sort of how the and and and obviously that that
church was built out of a out of another large ministry,
so when it was kind of instantiated, it kind of
came with those values.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Yeah, that's amazing. I mean, I just think that it's
it's great that it's it's such a large church with
but everybody has their own position and working together, you know,
that's amazing. That's amazing. And the mere fact that you
said something that caught my eye. You said we can
butt head and.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
And and then that and then that it's just too
if I could jump in there and that, it's just
I'm not saying, hey, I could be disrespectful. I don't
want people to mistake that like hey, like I could
just go off on the pastor ship. But like, yo,
if I disagree with something, I can call a meeting
and say hey, I didn't agree with this.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
You can be heard, you can speak your voice in
a respectful way.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Right.
Speaker 7 (40:02):
A lot of people don't get a chance to do
that in the ministry.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Yeah, And I feel like that's kind of what's missing.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
That's definitely what's missing. If everybody you.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Got, you got, you got on back.
Speaker 7 (40:18):
See I told you come on, come.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
On back, right, welcome back. That's been missing, that's been
missing for a long time. I feel like just that
accountability from leadership to say, okay, I hear you, let's
fix what's broken. Yeah, we're called to the Ministry of
Reconciliation and like that. And and then we in that,
(40:43):
we have to start with ourselves inside the ministry before
we say, hey, we're going to reconcile a loss, let's
be reconcileding to ourselves first. Yes, yes, and say hey,
let's get on one accord on ourselves. It didn't say hey,
when the crowd was on one accord, is when the
levits was on one accord? Say it so, like I said,
(41:04):
like us being in us operating in a levitical manner
inside the turn. I don't I want I don't know
where everybody is on like the littlevitical order or whatever whatever.
But like yo, us operating in that manner, in the
same manner that the Levikes did inside the temple, I
would think that it would be it would behoove us
to be on one page and on one accord within
(41:27):
ourselves internally. Yep. And I've been in minitaries where you
can tell right off like that's the issue. It's like, oh,
y'all don't get it together internally yet exactly that's evident
right off the min like, oh, oh, so and so
don't like so and so anytime with the so and
so scene over here? Got issue.
Speaker 7 (41:52):
That's another issue. Everyone wants the title. They have to
have a title. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
And one thing I hate to keep interjecting, but like yo,
one thing I really appreciated about, uh so when my
when my pastor was there, his name is Vance Pittman.
Vance Pittman is now the president of the sind S,
the n D Network. It's the it's the world's largest
missionary missionary sending platform on the planet.
Speaker 7 (42:23):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
I think they do like seventy one million dollars in
missions a year.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Wow. And so they're base they're based out of Alpharetta Georgia. Uh,
and I worked with I worked with them very closely.
That being said, uh, when he was when when I
was that hope and he was a pastor. You know,
I come from church church, you know I grew up.
I grew up Kajent. We don't call the pastor by
(42:50):
his first name, noc. We put past. We're gonna put
past a reverend in front of it, or bishop or
you know what I'm saying. We're gonna put some honorifics
on and front of it. He's like, just call me Vance. Wow.
And he I'm talking about a man with.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
With multiple degrees.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
PhD files all around the world, speaking to multiple continents.
He's like, hey, my name is Van. When you meet him,
he said, hey, what's your name? I'm vanced like to
meet you. Wow. And so a lot of times if.
Speaker 7 (43:22):
You if you didn't they didn't see.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
People preach from the stage, you didn't know they were
a pastor. You just knew, like, hey, this guy just
always comes and talks to me. It's like, hey, I
didn't like because they're there, they didn't do titles there,
and now now me personally they accepted it from me.
I'm like listen, I'm not finished. I'm too old to change.
(43:48):
I'm gonna put pastor in front.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Of it, right, I'm.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Like, at least pastor, man, you know what I'm saying,
Pastor Daddy, I'm gonna put some honorifics on it, because like, yo,
like we get and if we didn't, oh, you're going
to call it pass about his first name? Like oh
that They don't even sit right with me. But I
understand what he was getting at. He wanted everybody to
(44:13):
feel like, hey, like, you know, like honorifics don't mean
nothing in the in the in the Kingdom of God, Like,
don't only high one is Jesus he the only high
daulty one?
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Hey, man, before we go, before we close it, show
me we got a game to play. You know what's up?
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Man? Okay, just called our sauce.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
It's called our sauces. So basically, we got five words
in peace.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Uh so the first five words that we give, you
gotta give us the first thing that comes to mind. Okay, cool,
I'm gonna go first, uh groove?
Speaker 2 (44:57):
What was the word?
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Brup? Gre oh? Man? Chickens there chick The chicken still
gonna be the basis of everything. I don't care Like
(45:21):
chicken snare gonna make you move. That's all I need
to make. All I need is a footstop in the
hand clip to make you move. Best recording ever, best
recorded ever?
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, out of.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
What like that's out of music ever of all time?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
One of them, any one of them? Oh my gosh,
ever of all time ever?
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Oh Yo Seee Wonders songs in the Key of Life.
Speaker 7 (45:59):
Oh okay, So how was that?
Speaker 3 (46:05):
I feel that, like Yo the Sonics on that album
like Hold Up Today, and that was recorded like decades ago, yeh.
And I was high at loyalty to the most high man.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
The man.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
I love that.
Speaker 9 (46:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
You can't be loyal to nobody else if you not
loyd to him.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
That's right. The next word is u people.
Speaker 7 (46:36):
Love them, Love.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Them from where they are. Okay, love them from where
they are, man something. You gotta love people from where
they where they at. You can't love people to where
you want them to be.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Goodness. My last word. My last word is beat vacation.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
What was it ecation?
Speaker 2 (47:01):
The vocation is vacation like.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Vocation like the job.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
No favorite vacation, Oh, vacation.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
I think that vocation like uh, vacation. Man, I'm I'm
I'm either in the crib tough in and put up,
or I'm on the beat somewhere with my prosa. Some
stand dook I go no funader. Uh.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Then we're gonna save the queen for last.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (47:33):
Uh, let's see enter.
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Enter his gates with thanksgiving the interest on the tree.
Yes man, okay, all.
Speaker 5 (47:50):
Right, all right, all right, Uh old chasten.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
See that the Lord is good.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Yes, and worst he.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Into it forever. Yes, sad, Yes, that's one would work.
But keep going.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Okay, Okay, I will.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Bless the Lord at all times. Just praise shall continually
be in my mouth. My soul will make a boast
of the Lord. And the humble shall hear her up
and be.
Speaker 7 (48:19):
Glassy man to that.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
And we we're gonna ready red offer tonight.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
This is gonna be. This is this is getting good.
Speaker 6 (48:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
Let your light so shine before men. Yes, men, so
see that good works and glorify God who's in heaven. Okay, man,
I'm about to have I'm about to have.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
Worry back the word.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I'm like, oh w w won't he do it? Won't
he do it? Yes?
Speaker 7 (49:18):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yes, oh man?
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Uh to be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I'm having a great.
Speaker 5 (49:26):
Time, so I'm gonna let my sister have it.
Speaker 6 (49:30):
Okay, okay, bod, I have some good ones.
Speaker 7 (49:42):
Let me see. I think I'm gonna go this way.
So what is your favorite drum to play?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (49:50):
I've always played Pearl drums have always been the kids
I played. I like other drum sets, but like Pearl
has just been home for me.
Speaker 7 (50:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
And if Pearl, here's just go Pearl drums.
Speaker 7 (50:05):
Gott girl drums, girl drum. What would be your favorite food?
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Oh yo, I'm I really love taypehood and I really
love Indian food. Indian food is probably my favorite food. Okay,
Like tika massala.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Like the currys, different kinds of curries. Oh, I love
It's so flavorful. Uh huh that's my damn my dam
right there.
Speaker 7 (50:46):
If you have a favorite drummer, who would that be? Oh?
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Favorite drummer?
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Oh? Oh?
Speaker 3 (50:56):
One of my good friends who passed away recently is
was by Far I like being absolutely great human being,
but as a drummer, he was phenomenal. He was a
(51:17):
drummer for Usher. For god, how long was he drummer
for Usher?
Speaker 5 (51:23):
Almost like twenty years year years.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah, yeah, like yo, he played for Usher up until
almost he passed. It's my good friend Aaron Spears. Man
like another guy who influenced highly, another guy who we
almost never talked about music. Every time he called, man like,
we talked about family and you know what I'm saying,
(51:50):
like just the joys of fatherhood. And his family adored him,
and I was so blessed andencouraged by meeting. Having a
short time, I was able to befriend him and call
him my friend and to listen to him play every
week because he came over to my studio everywhere every
(52:11):
week before he go to Usher. When he was here
to come over to my studio, we do an episode
of he played on the Mass Singer, so we did.
We did three seasons of the Mass. He did drums
for three seasons of The Mass Singer at my studio
and then he would leave my studio, catch an uber
and go over the Usher. Wow wow, amazing. But yeah,
(52:35):
Aaron by far is one of my favorites. Is by
far my favorite drummer.
Speaker 7 (52:40):
Amazing, amazing. My last question is, if you could do
one thing to change in this world, what would.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
It be one thing to change in this world. Not
to not to be cliche, but I would introduce I
would introduce everyone to Christ, whether you take him or not,
(53:10):
I would. I would at least introduce you to them
and say, hey, here's a here's an honest look at
the that's the real life of Christ, not the cartoons
that they put on Facebook and the way they got
them fighting Godzilla, not that like the real Christ of
(53:32):
the Bible. And then let people make their decisions from there.
I understand everybody not gonna go. I understand everybody that
you know it's a it's a it's a wide path
that leads to the destruction, is a narrow path that
leads righteousness. I know that. But like yo, the command
was go therefore in the all nations, and you know
what I'm saying, and make disciples. They play music. Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Church doors right right, the change doors.
Speaker 7 (54:08):
Open it up.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
We don't need offer plate right now. The church doors
are open, you know.
Speaker 3 (54:22):
Church doors.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, you can get them, that.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Ain't you. You can get them there if you listen.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
You heard what sad exactly you can, Preacher boy Jesus.
So before we close the show, Big Brouh, give us
something positive. That we can, you know, just right off
(54:52):
or just uh just lean on, you know, until the
till our next Sunday.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
You know, even though I'm gonna wake up, studying the
anyways will give us something possible, you know, you know.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Have grace. I hear the spirit that I'm not a
person that be like, oh the Spirit told me. But
I hear the sayers say, I have grace for yourself. Okay,
give grace. If you're going to give grace to others,
you gotta storry by giving grace to yourself once, like
this is my personal testimony, and then I'll let y'all go.
Like yo, I would beat myself up, like I would
(55:30):
try to. I spend a long time trying to be a.
Speaker 7 (55:33):
Good Christian Jesus okay.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
And trying to dot the eyes and cross the t's,
and I would so disheartened when I would fall. I
was so disheartened when I didn't make it. I was
so disheartened, and I felt like, well, you know.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
God don't love me now because you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (55:49):
You wouldn't tell yourself that, but like you feel that way,
and we don't give ourselves grace enough to say Father
I'm back, agear, I mean grace for the days.
Speaker 7 (56:02):
Why I'm over here.
Speaker 3 (56:07):
And it's said he gives us we have new mercies
every day, So every day we get new mercy. Every
day we get new mercy. That's the benefit of being
connected to him. Wow. And so like, if he gives
you new mercy to day, why are you not giving
you new mercy every day?
Speaker 7 (56:25):
Gotamy come out there?
Speaker 3 (56:27):
Do we really have to end? I'm having you really
have this?
Speaker 2 (56:34):
It's a real good show. This is a real good show.
Well we have to do We're gonna have to have
them look back again.
Speaker 4 (56:41):
So basically, what's what's what's happening is we haven't you
noticed all of our podcasts for the past three day
three sessions has been nothing but music directors, right, nothing wants.
Speaker 7 (57:02):
Yes, there's nothing.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
But music director. So we're gonna have he's gonna have
to come.
Speaker 4 (57:08):
Back after uh probably uh after our next music director
next week. Next week we're gonna have We'll have Mike
Stromani Laurie.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
He's gonna be on next show.
Speaker 4 (57:23):
He's my brother, yess, my brother for life. You know
when I was in my my, my, my times, you know,
you know, you know, like in situations that I was
going through, you know, like before you know, we I
had to put up the studio over here. Uh, he
was checking up on me. Yes, I was going through
(57:44):
some situations and all I needed was just that phone
call and he was just there.
Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yeah. Yeah, I think perfect year though.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Oh my.
Speaker 4 (57:57):
He was just right there and at the right time.
And and I told him, thank you, bro. I needed that,
you know, And yes I did. I played a lot
of albums with him. But you know, that's a blessing.
That's a blessing just to sit there and say, that's
my little brother.
Speaker 2 (58:15):
He's been with the drunk He's been with the Drunk
Fest for ever since we started.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (58:23):
So you know, I love me some of mine and Laurie,
I know you love you some minor laury.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
So that yeah, man, that's my guy.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
And so and you're gonna you're gonna take us into Christmas, Okay,
So we're gonna to come back to the week before Christmas?
Yeah number two. Okay, you got it man for sure.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
So, uh, we're wont like to thank.
Speaker 4 (58:53):
Underwriter Jerry roys uh Er sold Positive Power of twenty
one for setting us at ways for us and were
about to say.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Peace and we are.
Speaker 3 (59:09):
Are God bless you, I bless you. Yep, joy me.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
That's your host, Roger Swift and boy the Swift Sauce
for you musicians. Matters podcast live right here seven pm
Specific Standard time, nine pm Central Standard time, ten pm
Standard times for all digital platforms on Positive Power twenty
(59:40):
one Christian Media LLC.
Speaker 3 (59:43):
Let's go on and always remember there is
Speaker 2 (59:49):
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