February 2, 2025 • 43 mins
Show Notes for Musicians Matters Podcast 🎶
🥁Host: Rodrick L. Swift
Guest: Pete Tillman – Drummer Extraordinaire
🔹 Episode Title: Rhythm & Groove: A Drummer’s Journey with Pete Tillman
🔹 Episode Overview:
In this electrifying episode of Musicians Matters Podcast, host Rodrick L. Swift sits down with master drummer Pete Tillman to talk about his journey in the music industry. With years of experience behind the kit, Pete has crafted a signature sound that blends technical precision with deep, soulful grooves. From studio sessions to live performances, Pete shares insights into what it takes to be a successful drummer in today’s music scene.
🔹 Key Discussion Points:
✅ Pete’s musical beginnings and how he fell in love with drumming
✅ The role of a drummer in shaping a band’s sound and energy
✅ Touring, recording, and the discipline behind perfecting the craft
✅ Challenges and rewards of being a professional musician
✅ Advice for aspiring drummers looking to break into the industry
🔹 Why You Should Listen:
Whether you’re a drummer, musician, or simply a fan of great music, this episode is packed with inspiration, wisdom, and behind-the-scenes stories from one of the best in the business. Pete’s passion for music and dedication to his craft will leave you motivated to chase your musical dreams!
🎧 Listen now on all major digital platforms!
#MusiciansMatters #DrummingLife #PeteTillman #RodrickLSwift #MusicIndustry #DrummerSpotlight
🥁Host: Rodrick L. Swift
Guest: Pete Tillman – Drummer Extraordinaire
🔹 Episode Title: Rhythm & Groove: A Drummer’s Journey with Pete Tillman
🔹 Episode Overview:
In this electrifying episode of Musicians Matters Podcast, host Rodrick L. Swift sits down with master drummer Pete Tillman to talk about his journey in the music industry. With years of experience behind the kit, Pete has crafted a signature sound that blends technical precision with deep, soulful grooves. From studio sessions to live performances, Pete shares insights into what it takes to be a successful drummer in today’s music scene.
🔹 Key Discussion Points:
✅ Pete’s musical beginnings and how he fell in love with drumming
✅ The role of a drummer in shaping a band’s sound and energy
✅ Touring, recording, and the discipline behind perfecting the craft
✅ Challenges and rewards of being a professional musician
✅ Advice for aspiring drummers looking to break into the industry
🔹 Why You Should Listen:
Whether you’re a drummer, musician, or simply a fan of great music, this episode is packed with inspiration, wisdom, and behind-the-scenes stories from one of the best in the business. Pete’s passion for music and dedication to his craft will leave you motivated to chase your musical dreams!
🎧 Listen now on all major digital platforms!
#MusiciansMatters #DrummingLife #PeteTillman #RodrickLSwift #MusicIndustry #DrummerSpotlight
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Join me. That's your host, Roger Squills and this is
your girl Mothers.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Ell let's go.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Welcome to another episode of Musicians Matters. This is going
to be a natic show for you tonight. But before
you you go to the show, you go to the show.
If you missed any of our shows, you.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
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podcast from the beginning to now, mother is what's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah? Do you hear me?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes? Sir?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
How are you doing much doing grade? Just looking forward
to having this conversation with you?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
All right, Pete? How you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Bro good? How about yourself?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Hanging in there with my brother? Your your day is
going on? Good?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I can't complaining with nobody want to hear it anyway?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Why you say it like that?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Nobody likes to can play this. So that's that's my statement.
You right about you write about that, you write about.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So my brother, How did how did this all start?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
As far as you you you plan.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma, board and raised so there at
Northside Church of God in Christ eleven o one Easter patches,
you know, founder Paul called praiser there for a long time.
It's a catalystic church there now my community in North Tulsa.
I started up under you know, playing with my mom
and playing with the church choir and my sister sharing
(02:21):
put the in the drums at four years old. It
started for me there and I just kind of took
a liking to it and what the different instruments, but
drums wound up being the thing that I felt that
was more passionate towards you know. So and stayed in
church and played off a bunch of years until I
went to college and took a few years off, but
found my way back to where my passion is again.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Awesome. So then anything inspired you to go, like into
something else like far as far as of any type
of other instruments, well, I played Oregon.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I dabbled a little bit with the bay, but everything
kind of led me back to rhythmics and doing what
I do. I still play keyboards, and stuff now as
a production and for our studios concerned. But I'm not
like some of my counterparts that I play with it.
They are awesome maestros, so I don't attempt to do
what they do. But I can transpose and do everything
I need to do in private. So I make my
(03:20):
music sound the way it needs to. But I don't
call myself a keyboard player at the moment, but I'm
currently working on it.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
That's a good thing. That's a real good thing. You
can get people transposing and thinking they're doing everything.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know that right, But I can't get mad at
it because sometimes you just get put on the spot
and it's like, oh, they switched up on you at
the last minute. You know. That's why the Babel said
this study to show yourself approved, so that no matter
what circumstance you get placed in, you've got to be
able to navigate through it successfully.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You're right about that. It's nothing wrong with that, but
I'm just saying they sometimes you get musicians that depend
on that.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You know, you all right? You all right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Uh So when you was on the keys, basically, uh,
what did you like to do on the keys? Do
you like to do your runs or do you like
to really uh uh really get into it. You know,
I like the groove on those those you know, like say,
for instance, my first my my my favorite uh key
(04:33):
Birds person is is Michael Barrell or David Blakely.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah most definitely, Yeah, definitely those are those are the
mastros of the game. But I got a bunch of
people that I know personally and then also those you
know from coming from where I come from, we have
our own hometown legends that are are very important to us.
I got, you know, David.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Smith who named some of them, name some of them
out there, bro, so you know the world was community.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I got for David Smith. Uh. He's the master.
He was behind a lot of the Zusu tapings with
Carlton Pearson and Higher Dementius Church back in the nineties.
With Carlton Pearson, he's the music director. And I was
fortunate enough to get to play with him as a
kid because he was going to Oil Roberts University and
he was under watchcare at my church, north Side Church.
(05:30):
He got in Christ that I mentioned previously, and he's
the m d uh for that for years and just
a bunch of them. You know, John asked you, uh,
Kenny Hill. It's just so many different Brian Jones now,
Bobby Moffatt, It's so many other people that play and
do a great job of what they did. Adrian Robbins just,
I mean, I can go home. And that's why I
didn't like to we started listening names because there's so
(05:52):
many people that like were important about how we listen
to music and how we see music. It's very uhs enlightening.
So everybody has a different take on what they want
to have happening. You can tell when somebody wants to
make the music feel good or when they want to shine.
You know, there's a big difference between shining and making
the music feel good for the masses. And I kind
(06:14):
of gravitate to the musicians that want to make the
music feel good for people who are not musically trained.
They just want to feel something that compels them to
want to clap their hands or stomp their feet or
you know anything, just something that doesn't over overshadow somebody's
mind who didn't go to school for music or didn't
have the level of intricacy that we may have some
(06:35):
uh you guys. And John Asthews from Tulsa. But he
was famous with the Atlanta Masks Choir for He's Worthy.
I don't know if you remember their song that great
he Is the Lot He's He's from Tulsa.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I love that love, I love that song. Yeah that
take it up, Take that out, bro. Back in the
days I used to That's one one of the songs
that I used to get my my my feelds in.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Oh yeah, that's groovy.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah yeah, so shot shouting him, Yeah, definitely, that's a month.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, yeah, month. We lost we lost. We lost him
some years ago. But at the same time, his legacy
of what he did lives on. And there's just so
many people that have done awesome things and music, especially
from back home and talks in Dallas and just the
whole that holes arriving quat State area is just amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, South off to uh, shots off to Pastor roller
car king on Lights Tuner in South Carolina, and shots
off to Pastor Kelly that's at Vegas View and Las Vegas,
and pastor Administrative Mansion that's overseeing Vegas View. Shots out
(07:59):
to them. Pastor uh Helker at Fresh Wind Ministries shouts
out to them. There's the people that I was under
the leadership under so shouts out to them. If it
wasn't for them, you know, you know, you have to
always have uh leadership. That's uh have somebody that's overseeing you.
(08:22):
So shouts out to over them, to all.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Of them, most definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah. So, uh, you know, I got to ask you
some questions, some questions about uh August the ninth, Bro,
What do we have uh in store for these people
that's gonna happen, that's gonna be uh coming to our
festival and August the ninth at the Gas Station Recording Studio, Bro,
(08:56):
what do we have for our people?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, first of all, appreciate you for inviting me and
uh reaching out and extending that. That means a lot
that you even think about putting me on it because
I'm I'm a drummer. I consider myself a pocket drummer
and somebody who just accompanies the music for the best,
best way I can do it. But what I can
offer to this is gonna be some blazing tracks behind
(09:20):
and it's gonna be some tasteful feels and fellowship is
going to be get hearted fellowship and we're gonna we
gonna slam and that's what it is about. Because just
because you slamm it on mean you you have to
have an ego. We're gonna we're gonna slam the love.
That's r right, that's right, that's right, that's wrong, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
You know, there's u you know, a type of sessions
that you know far as of you know, group sessions
that we do, you know, uh, far as the festivals,
as far as the clinics and stuff. But I'd always
like to extend that session that we have and you know,
in August, because it's gonna be to where it's you know,
(10:04):
you know, people are going to be just looking at
the group of people. I got a testimony for these
people that that the world and these uh the community
needs to know because I've been through so much. Bro,
you just don't know. I'm still going God.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Right and God and.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
God is doing his thing right now, boy, Bro, God
is doing his thing. And I'm truly thankful that I'm
still up and able and up in saying that I'm
I'm here, you know, because you may not know I
(10:46):
had two back surgeries. I still was supposed to been.
I'm still right now. It's supposed to been like you know,
of what they call it a parent politic right now?
From my my, uh my, my my, uh my, what
(11:08):
to call it? My name? I'm down to my feet.
I was supposed to have nothing, but uh God has
says uh not. So you know, you know, you know,
I'm thankful for that. You know I'm still up there kicking,
kicking hard and making God proud. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And that's awesome. That's awesome as long as you realize
that that that you're overcoming by the day and everything
is a process. And don't get don't get too busy
looking at the ending goal. Just make sure you're chipping
away at that rock or that that thing is in
front of you. That it looks huge, but when you
look back at those small chips, they do make a
big difference to the bigger issue. So I'm glad that
(11:56):
God understands you understand God enough to understand that's how
he works. Some days it happens in big miracles, and
some days it happens my duration. And about that, you're
right about that, You're right about that, And then and
and and.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
What we need to do is keep God first, and
he'll he'll added the increase.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Indeed you will.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Indeed he so far as of far as your studio sessions,
do you like the studio sessions better than the live sessions? M?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, no, not really. It's just been a situation to
where like for years, I've also put my musicality behind
me and went to what was driving me in my
regular life. You know. So you have to you have
to make room, make time for something you believe that
you're passionate about, because your life may put you in
a different direction, uh than where your passion is driving
(12:58):
you to. It's like my past is here, but if
I don't make a cognitive understanding of what I should
do to put myself in the right place to be
passionate about this, then your passion you can sit in
the in the house and watch your passion pass you
right by like a parade. So I had to start
making missions to put myself in a position position where
I could produce. I used to do it in Oklahoma
(13:20):
all the time, and it was like I was a
high school history teacher and football coach and threestyle times
state champion and Union High School. Shout out to Union
High School and Tosoklahoma. I was there doing my thing
as a linebackers coach there and it was all my
way to do a lot of different things. Is when
I got the call to come to Las Vegas with
the BB King All Star Band, and that's when my
(13:41):
life kind of took a different direction. And I came
here in the spring of twenty ten and did the
Millage with B. B. King All Star Band, and that's
when everything start changing. You ain't tell me all that, bro, Well,
I don't really talk about it. And listen, things happened,
(14:04):
you know. That's how that's how I got to Vegas.
It wasn't behalf of sance uh. Tony Peters, which was
BB King's manager at the time, came through Taus, Oklahoma
and saw band playing which was Phase three and the
version of Full Flavored Kings back in Oklahoma. Shout out
to Charlie red and And and Star Fisher and Sandy
Watt who's here in Vegas as well. That there was
only one of the only people we kept out of
(14:25):
the band that came here to Vegas. And we also
had Ali Start that was the actors sub for Start
for Star Fishing. Yeah, we got a lot of people
to thank, you know. And uh, Steve Grill Rest in
Peace and Harley Ham. All these people came from Tulsa, Oklahoma,
and we played as dB King Alstar Band and then, uh,
(14:48):
that's how I got acclimated to Las Vegas and I
stayed when I found out I was having my only child.
So being the youngest and six kids, I had to
make sure that I didn't, you know, perpetuate the image
that my father didn't show to me. And instead of
going back to what was comfortable in Oklahoma, to my
own house, my own cars and comfortability, I chose to
stay here and be your father. So that's my only child.
(15:10):
She's my name, Riley Jade. She's here in my stages,
and that's the reason why I stay. Awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Awesome, that's amazing, That's truly amazing. So what inspired you
on your are your focus on the command economic empowerment,
particularly with the community. What inspired you with this?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
What like, uh, get more specific about it as far
as that kind of about community of.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
The music in any community gins.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Well, I mean it's kind of like it goes without
saying people who have had an ability can either choose
to do something or they can allow it to do
something to them, and I saw it just like I
see sports as a linebacker myself in Missouri. You know,
I played a lot of ball in my life, and
(16:12):
you know, it's just the cognitive understanding of eleven men
or on a field playing and doing their jobs to
get one goal done. And it's applicable to music too,
depending on how big your your band is and how
big you want your sound to be, but how many
When you add more people to that town to their band,
it's even more important that everybody hones in on their
(16:33):
particular roles even more Otherwise the overall product is going
to deem itself unworthy of winning or being successful. So
that's why a lot of bands start out as three pieces,
and once they get that cognitive understanding, then they move
to four pieces. But it always has to be a vision.
So I think that's the football coach in me is
what made me get back into the music in a
(16:55):
different way, because I didn't just see it as somewhere
for me to just showcase what I could do. I
want to. I wanted everybody to be able to be
a part of something that sounds sounds great, you know,
sounds something that makes people feel good and dancing, they
don't even know why they dancing, and infectious naking music
and stuff I'm addicted to.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
That's understandable. That's understandable. Now let me ask you a question.
I always ask this question sometimes. Basically, when we was
going through this, did a pandemic have an effect on you?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah? Of course, Oh yeah, a major effect on me.
I mean I wanted to go back home to Oklahoma
and tak my tail because we had so many obstacles
I did. I wanted to go home. I was like,
I'm at that time, I was like, I'm forty five now,
so I was forty forty one, forty about to turn
(17:58):
forty two. I'm a holder. This is about this is
a situation is about to rock my boat, and I
don't know if I have enough, you know, solidity to
sustain through this. This blow that we had no idea
how long we would have happened for. So yeah, rocked me.
But uh, I've been a cook my whole life, and
I'm a barbecue. I will not quite a master, but
(18:21):
I'm something like that. You know what I'm saying. So
I went out and.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Printed hold on you you, uh, you a little bit
about plucking a little bit of feathers right now.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Bro, I'm just saying I'm something like that. I'm something
like that, and a lot of a lot of my
musician friends and people that that know. Throughout the pandemic,
I sold barbecue plates. I had my cards and everything
were printed Jack's Barbecue. My legal name is Jack, so
put I put j a x S Barbecue and I
jumped in my little missus DC Lansing and ran around
(18:53):
there selling plates fifteen dollars a pop off through the pandemic,
you know, And and I made the paper.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Wow. So that means I'm I'm I'm We're gonna have
to uh go against each other on these sauces, man,
because I got my own sauce myself.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Uh Hey, it's been in Chickens Out Jack. It's been
in five stores already. It's been in a matter of fact,
it's been in Marios, it's been in Jimmy's, and it's
been in Thrawers, it's been in uh So, So what
I'm doing right now is I'm revamping it right now.
Exactly what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Got you, Okay, I didn't know this to you. Another
thing I didn't know about you. We had we had
to get on this this public platform, and we founding
out things just to go.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
That's why it's called That's why I got all these platforms.
I got musicians, Matters, the Takeover, I have Chef Talk,
and then I have uh the drum Fest.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
So you know, I got all those platforms. But God
seemed fit for you know, me to talk to us.
You know, either I could I could talk to a chef,
I could talk to a minister, I could talk to whoever.
Because I can, God seem fit for me to you know,
(20:19):
just handler it like that. You know, he gave me that,
not the authority, but he gave me that gift to
talk to people. And I'm very truly thankful for that.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Most definitely, that's a that's a great gift to hold
in on and understand that that's an influential thing that
has to be cultivated and make sure you always and
you're doing a great job of spreading the word, and uh,
you know, just keep on doing what you're doing, because
this is our this is our future. The future is now.
We always say that as a cliche, but it's really
(20:53):
it really means. The truth is anything you did last
year that was unproductive. This year, you're reaping the power
differ negative uh benefits of what you didn't or did
do last year. It's just what it is, you know.
And a lot of people don't take that to to
you know task. But in my in my storyline, I
(21:13):
will also say, I'm a third generation barbecue guy from
black Wall Street, Toss, Oklahoma. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
we had barbecue places that got destroyed unfortunately in the
in the nineteen twenty one race riot. So we had
a we had a barbecue place, he had a taxi
cab company, and we had uh, you know, dry cleaners
that all got destroyed and that unfortunately, very crazy event
(21:38):
that happened at the hands of of you know people
that we won't I won't even.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Go I understand, I understand this. Don't don't don't don't
worry about that. God is gonna see fit for you
to do it again, because that's where I said, That's
why I'm looking at it right now. God, God is
giving me the opportunity to uh do it again in
(22:03):
the bigger scale, you know what I'm saying. So I'm
just waiting. That's all I'm doing right now, Just waiting.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
My Bronco Car. I got to do that. Bronco Car,
who also has his own barbecue South out of the
stores in Alberson's and Safeways in Oklahoma. So when you
said George Us, I had to get my name Bronco Car.
He's got six fold two fifty eight to sixty probably
by wow, yeah, K wow, amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I love it. I love it. I love it. No,
you know, because we got to stick for the stick
for stick with the community. You know, we got to
stick for with each other. It's time out for you know,
knocking each other down. That's basically what I'm I'm I'm not.
I don't like that when people knock each other down,
(22:59):
you know. You know, musicians have a tendency to do that.
You know, I'm just putting it out there. Musicians have
a tendency to knock each other down, or leaders have
a tendency to knock each other down. We all are
(23:19):
shedding the same blood, That's basically what I'm trying to say.
And we gotta respect each other as loved ones. We
got to respect each other as we would we expect
respect each other as myself. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Indeed, My biggest take on that is is I don't
believe anything somebody tells me. You know. My thing is
a lot of affiliations allow people to think stuff about
folks that they shouldn't. I mean, if this person is bad,
I'm gonna go out and see for myself. I just
I don't. I don't. I don't subscribe to anything negative
(23:59):
because if they nobody would tell me something negative about
somebody else, then they're gonna say something about me to
the next person. So I don't. I don't really subscribe
to any of that type energy, and nor do I
put any type of bad energy out there. Whatever is,
if something is working for somebody else, all I'm gonna
do is say God's bless us to you and keep working.
My opinion doesn't matter to somebody else's success. And that's
(24:20):
the biggest thing that people have to understand in the
music game. Until most some of the most talented people
are the ones that are not working and are the
ones that are not reaping the harvest of their actual
gifts because they're using their gifts to fuel their inadequacies emotionally.
So that great gift that you have that you are
unable to give to the other people is because you
have a barrier up from the inadequacy that you hide,
(24:44):
so your great gift can't even make it through the
people because you destroyed the relationships before you even get
to show your gift. And that's the biggest thing we
have to address in our musicians community is is addressing
those inner issues so we can let that actuals, that
spirit of the good music and the good buyer show
throughout your innerhert like I make it my purpose to
just tell people I apologize when I say I did
(25:06):
something wrong. All my friends, anybody who sees it, whether
you're in Dallas, Texas, Fort Ladaville, Florida, Charlotte, North Carolina, Tolas, Oklahoma,
Little Rock, Arkansas, everybody who knows me knows that I'm
the person that will call and apologize if I felt
that I said something wrong. And I pride myself on
that because I'm always keep myself accountable because I don't
want to feel anybody I have value for, even not
(25:29):
just value, but somebody who I don't even know, but
more so, if I know you and I have a
relationship with you, we need to repair things when they
happen immediately and not let em from apologizing that ego.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Can mess up a lot of a lot of conversations
a lot of people. You know that, And I don't
like stuff like that. And why I'm trying to tell
you this. My our logo is about unity. It's Drummers united.
(26:04):
You know, where there's unity, their strength. So indeed, you
know that's where what we live off of. We we
live off of unity. So I love it exactly what
you're speaking unity.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Indeed, and that's the most important trait. Man. I appreciate
you for having me on here because I don't I
don't get a chance to say that. The few people
that I talked to privately, they give me opportunity to
say what I say. But those are just my close friends,
and you know, they're friends that I deal with on
a regular basis, so they.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Hear pat That's what this platform is for. This platform
is for people to talk and to get an understanding
about each other and make things happen around this world.
You know, we're reaching over one hundred and ten, one
hundred and fifty countries right now as we speak. And
(27:04):
so I'm thankful for my mentor Batman Jerry Royce Live
Positive Power twenty one. If it wasn't for him at
this time, I wouldn't we wouldn't be right here, you
know what I'm saying. If it wasn't for him, we
(27:24):
wouldn't be right here having this great conversation.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Big shout out. Don't know him personally, the big big
shout out for around this opportunity in this platform.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yes, it's a it's a great it's a great opportunity.
You know. Yes, like I was just talking to you earlier, Yes,
I was live, and I was had the platform. You know,
I was you know, you know has the video and everything.
But you know, it doesn't have to be about the video.
(27:55):
It has to be about just the conversation. You know,
we can have the conversation and still have get the
same point. Cross. Actually we are. We're reaching We're reaching
more people than I was before. So I'm just thankful
for Jay Roy said, just come on over here with me, Bro,
(28:19):
I'm gonna just teach you and I'm and just think,
just think right now, you had your number ninety seven.
This conversation is number ninety seven. We got three more
to go to a hundred. I'm just thankful for that,
you know. So it's a blessing for that.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
To make a hundred outside. That's that old code again
that came out.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and have none to do. That's right,
you right about that?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, go ahead and get running right on what he
ain't gonna be?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yes, yes, yes, that's all we know. You you know
I was born Koching, you know, and it runs through
my blood. You know, Vegas View Church and God in
Christ and you know I was born in that church.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And my ancestors started that church. Uh, Clark Stella Parson,
Thank God for him. They they gone with the Lord,
but they still leaving legacies around. They got schools and
scholarships and everything named after them. It's a blessing. You know.
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My cousins, you know, they still living pastor uh antone
Parson things. He was on this podcast before, doctor Anton Parson.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
And then I'm trying to get my other cousin his mother, Uh,
doctor Jacqueline Barker just had her her birthday on yesterday.
She shouts out to my cousin, doctor Jacqueline, doctor, celebrating
your your birthday on the day before yesterday or yesterday.
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God bless your cousin Jackie. Uh. Bro check this out.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I got. I got one thing that I want to
say real quick.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Okay? I know you not to say something, but I couldn't.
I would be remiss if I didn't bring this up
Oklahoma Northwest Jurisdiction where I got started in Oklahoma. Big
shout out to all of the Oklahoma north West and
Southeast jurisdictions. But the lady who put me on drums
and big in a big environment for the first time
at night twelve years old, ten years old was I
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d Wilson, and she was the rest of peace. She
was the music director for Oklahoma Northwest Jurisdiction. We had
like I'm two hundred member choir, uh when everybody got
everybody together. But that's also Charlie Wilson for the Gap
Band's mama, what guess? And that's what's so crazy about it.
And we used to always see Charlie and the Gap
(31:08):
Man come home and Tosa, Oklahoma. If you didn't know
what that means, that means greenwood, archer and pine. That's
what Gap Band stands for. But I got the wonderful
pleasure of playing with I d Wilson and she put
me on her and Andrew Embury when I was a kid,
you know what I'm saying. Playing for the complications and
everything with the older caster was like nineteen to twenty,
and I was under like eleven and twelve. So big
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shout out for her believing in me, rest in peace
and all of the Wilson family and everybody's that I'm
a childman, so my sister and all them people man
in so many I got cousins, my cousin Faith and
Joe Anderson. Faith just spent eighteen years with almost eighteen
years fifteen years with singing background for Kirk Franklin that
she owns her own record company and production label called
(31:50):
Tenth Child Production. Joe her brother, I just want. I
just wrote to one song on his album that just
came out to Joseph Anderson Project.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And my song is called Purpose, Purpose to stayed on You.
And he's an awesome singer. He used to sing with
Nattie Wilson. They're so peek around he we just got
to we come from minutes all live from north side
oak you know, north side Turkey that in christ And Oklahoma.
No ret jurisdiction. So I'll be remiss if I didn't
shout out all these people that were really influencer in
my life and my big brother Spencer, and I don't
(32:21):
want to talk too much, but I had to say
that keep keep on talking because people needs to hear that.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know, you know where you came from. You know
that's that's a blessed work. That is a blessing. That's
truly a blessing. Because your line is very strong. That's
a blessing. That is truly a blessings, blessing.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And I got to play with Rant Allen and the
Clark's sisters, and that's a bell armstrong. I played with
so many different artists because of the workshops that they
put on in Oklahoma Northwestern Timothy Wright. I can go
on and on about how we had to play, We
had to learn and do these things. On Friday night,
we get out of going to come down and learn
and rehearse and get up on Saturday and then we
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do our concert Saturday afternoon, and with all these different
artists that were big in our time. And is you know,
to see Twinkie Clark sitting next to me on the
Oregon while I'm trying to play and watch Maddie Bosse
Clark through tambourine to shoot.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
That was the blest that let's let's talk about that part.
That was an experience to the lifetime too. I had
a chance to play with with uh Twinkie Clark. You know,
I love me some Clark sisters. I had no hands
to play with the Clark Twinkie Clark when she came
(33:38):
down here with her mother back in the eighties. That
was that was doing the mother Lola, I mean Mother Hall.
She was the choir president, stay choir president back in
the days, and Lady Halls, Bishop Hall's wife. I'm really missed.
(34:05):
Oh my goodness, oh my goodness. And did uh you
didn't get to schee thrown at you? Did you? From
Mattie Moss? Did you?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I didn't, but a good friend from mine. Big shout
out to Adam Ross and down in Houston doing the
same drummer boy prediction that Hoaston Texas, the great, great
drummer great friend almost disliked family to be all day.
But Adam got that he got some sue. She went
over there and touched every symbol over there, like you
(34:36):
got all these symbols and you ain't hitting none of
these symbols. Feel that song up boy he was in there.
Oh okay, so now I know when I got the
symbols and that she she told us that the dynamics
of when we get loud, you get loud, and that
was nice that you couldn't find that nowhere else but
in church.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yes, yeah, shouts out to David Blakely. He's a uh
he's the choir president for the state right now. So
you know, you know, it's just truly just the just
to see just my you know, you know, doors open
up for you. You know, back in the days, you know,
(35:19):
I had a chance to play with David Blakeley back
in the days for the state choir as a kid.
I was like eleven, twelve years old. And then I
played like I was. I prove. I played for Shirley
Caesar back in the days when they opened up Victory
(35:40):
Baptist Church right around the corner from me. Then I
played for like you was talking about. I played for
James Moore. I played for uh a lot of people,
James Moore, I just can't even name them all.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
It was.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It's a lot of parts to go back to.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
U huh, I said, it's hard to go back and
remember all those archives.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I know, it's a lot I had played for a
lot of a lot of people. Uh, jump past the
jump key when he came back here. That's that's that's
when I back in those days. You know, he with
those foot foot those hen stuffing and foot tappings and
(36:26):
then all that. That's when I was back. I was
playing with I was playing those type of songs with
with him, you know, you know, but you know fars
of those loops and all that. You know, I played some,
but you know, he was back in the days. He
was very old school, you know. So it was an
opportunity of a lifetime just to play with those people.
(36:50):
But one before we we uh in this, there's two
questions I gotta ask you. One question is what what
what type of sticks do you you use?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Oh, you're gonna make me say it out loud. Yeah, yeah,
Well I'm using Big First right now. But uh, you
know what I'm saying. I like the I like the
feel of the seven Ages seven bees, and then I
used to five bees as well. But I like the
round tests on the Big First. And uh, I used
(37:29):
to like those Milgion rubber bottoms. Uh, but they just
kind of they just break too fast. But I'm I'm cool.
I'm the big first right now.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Awesome, awesome. I played for UH shot out to Mold Drumsticks.
I'm an artist from More Drumsticks right now. I've been
an artist with him probably probably about going on six
to seven years now, and that's if I want to join,
(38:01):
I would definitely, I would definitely send your set UH
soon as soon as I can. I'm in the process
of closing something right now with UH for the for
the drum Clinic, because because he's going to be sending
some some of my sticks out so we can have
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for you know, for the UH door prizes.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Got you.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, So have you heard like, you know, like sticks
with waits in them.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I've heard people talking about. I haven't physically held them
to know what that is. I've heard about it, though.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, I have a I have a I got a
chance to weigh my sticks and and that's basically who
i UH endorsed with. And then my my sticks, my
weights are basically are at the the bottom of the sticks,
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not the tip.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Minds last longer and so you'll get a chance to
fill them when you be at the clinic or and
like you said, I'm a senior pair lo.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
L indeed, So let me get acclimated to them. You know,
I said, I'm playing on.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Of a session exactly exactly. But before we close the store,
the show off, bro, what do you have to say
to this world? Because we've been going through so so much,
we got to say something positive. What do you have
to say to the world positive that they can grasp on?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Oh, that's a good question. Technically, the only thing I
really have to say is that you only control two
things in your life. That your attitude and your effort.
If you decide that you don't like what you're doing,
and your attitude is conducive of what you don't want
to do, and then you, because of that you give
bad effort or poor effort towards it, then you're wasting
(40:22):
your time of existing in itself. You have to control
your attitude and your effort so you can get things
to the right place that you need to be to
function at the level that you want to. But that
attitude and that effort would always keep us spinning in
that dryer and that spin cycle. And we're wondering why
we're not getting what we want out of life, it's
because we're waking up with a bad attitude and not
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giving enough effort. And that's the most important thing that
we have to realize. Control your attitude and give a
great effort even if you don't like the circumstances that
you're in, because that's the law of attraction. Is everybody,
somebody's going to come and see you when you don't
feel like being taught you, and you have to make
sure you're controlling that attitude of effort the moment that
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you kind of life, the moment you want to give
somebody a piece of your mind. That's one of the
very person that you need to go to your next
level is waiting to hear something from you. So control
your attitude and control your effort. And nobody cares how
much you know, and today know how much you care.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
That's it, right, that's right, that's right. I would like
to thank my friend Pete for just being on this show.
You just gave us a lot of words of encouragement
or words of knowledge that people that needs to hear.
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You know, people are going through a lot of stuff
and we thank you for that. And I would like
to thank my mentor Jerry Roy. So I would like
to thank my other mentor tind of Gass. I would
like to think my other mentor will folks for being
in this uh my life for once. For if it
(42:05):
wasn't for them, you know, I wouldn't be here, you know,
you know, just talking to you. You know, you know
they speak in life to me. You understandable what I'm saying.
So you always welcome to this this this show anytime.
So we signing off and you have a blessing and
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prosperous day on my brother, Pete.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Pete, tell but in the house man love you. God
is love.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
I would love you to love you too, bro.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
All right.
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Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah? Do you hear me?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes? Sir?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
How are you doing much doing grade? Just looking forward
to having this conversation with you?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
All right, Pete? How you doing?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Bro good? How about yourself?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Hanging in there with my brother? Your your day is
going on? Good?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I can't complaining with nobody want to hear it anyway?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Why you say it like that?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Nobody likes to can play this. So that's that's my statement.
You right about you write about that, you write about.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
So my brother, How did how did this all start?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
As far as you you you plan.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma, board and raised so there at
Northside Church of God in Christ eleven o one Easter patches,
you know, founder Paul called praiser there for a long time.
It's a catalystic church there now my community in North Tulsa.
I started up under you know, playing with my mom
and playing with the church choir and my sister sharing
(02:21):
put the in the drums at four years old. It
started for me there and I just kind of took
a liking to it and what the different instruments, but
drums wound up being the thing that I felt that
was more passionate towards you know. So and stayed in
church and played off a bunch of years until I
went to college and took a few years off, but
found my way back to where my passion is again.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Awesome. So then anything inspired you to go, like into
something else like far as far as of any type
of other instruments, well, I played Oregon.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I dabbled a little bit with the bay, but everything
kind of led me back to rhythmics and doing what
I do. I still play keyboards, and stuff now as
a production and for our studios concerned. But I'm not
like some of my counterparts that I play with it.
They are awesome maestros, so I don't attempt to do
what they do. But I can transpose and do everything
I need to do in private. So I make my
(03:20):
music sound the way it needs to. But I don't
call myself a keyboard player at the moment, but I'm
currently working on it.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
That's a good thing. That's a real good thing. You
can get people transposing and thinking they're doing everything.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know that right, But I can't get mad at
it because sometimes you just get put on the spot
and it's like, oh, they switched up on you at
the last minute. You know. That's why the Babel said
this study to show yourself approved, so that no matter
what circumstance you get placed in, you've got to be
able to navigate through it successfully.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You're right about that. It's nothing wrong with that, but
I'm just saying they sometimes you get musicians that depend
on that.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You know, you all right? You all right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Uh So when you was on the keys, basically, uh,
what did you like to do on the keys? Do
you like to do your runs or do you like
to really uh uh really get into it. You know,
I like the groove on those those you know, like say,
for instance, my first my my my favorite uh key
(04:33):
Birds person is is Michael Barrell or David Blakely.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah most definitely, Yeah, definitely those are those are the
mastros of the game. But I got a bunch of
people that I know personally and then also those you
know from coming from where I come from, we have
our own hometown legends that are are very important to us.
I got, you know, David.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Smith who named some of them, name some of them
out there, bro, so you know the world was community.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I got for David Smith. Uh. He's the master.
He was behind a lot of the Zusu tapings with
Carlton Pearson and Higher Dementius Church back in the nineties.
With Carlton Pearson, he's the music director. And I was
fortunate enough to get to play with him as a
kid because he was going to Oil Roberts University and
he was under watchcare at my church, north Side Church.
(05:30):
He got in Christ that I mentioned previously, and he's
the m d uh for that for years and just
a bunch of them. You know, John asked you, uh,
Kenny Hill. It's just so many different Brian Jones now,
Bobby Moffatt, It's so many other people that play and
do a great job of what they did. Adrian Robbins just,
I mean, I can go home. And that's why I
didn't like to we started listening names because there's so
(05:52):
many people that like were important about how we listen
to music and how we see music. It's very uhs enlightening.
So everybody has a different take on what they want
to have happening. You can tell when somebody wants to
make the music feel good or when they want to shine.
You know, there's a big difference between shining and making
the music feel good for the masses. And I kind
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of gravitate to the musicians that want to make the
music feel good for people who are not musically trained.
They just want to feel something that compels them to
want to clap their hands or stomp their feet or
you know anything, just something that doesn't over overshadow somebody's
mind who didn't go to school for music or didn't
have the level of intricacy that we may have some
(06:35):
uh you guys. And John Asthews from Tulsa. But he
was famous with the Atlanta Masks Choir for He's Worthy.
I don't know if you remember their song that great
he Is the Lot He's He's from Tulsa.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I love that love, I love that song. Yeah that
take it up, Take that out, bro. Back in the
days I used to That's one one of the songs
that I used to get my my my feelds in.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Oh yeah, that's groovy.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah yeah, so shot shouting him, Yeah, definitely, that's a month.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, yeah, month. We lost we lost. We lost him
some years ago. But at the same time, his legacy
of what he did lives on. And there's just so
many people that have done awesome things and music, especially
from back home and talks in Dallas and just the
whole that holes arriving quat State area is just amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, South off to uh, shots off to Pastor roller
car king on Lights Tuner in South Carolina, and shots
off to Pastor Kelly that's at Vegas View and Las Vegas,
and pastor Administrative Mansion that's overseeing Vegas View. Shots out
(07:59):
to them. Pastor uh Helker at Fresh Wind Ministries shouts
out to them. There's the people that I was under
the leadership under so shouts out to them. If it
wasn't for them, you know, you know, you have to
always have uh leadership. That's uh have somebody that's overseeing you.
(08:22):
So shouts out to over them, to all.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Of them, most definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah. So, uh, you know, I got to ask you
some questions, some questions about uh August the ninth, Bro,
What do we have uh in store for these people
that's gonna happen, that's gonna be uh coming to our
festival and August the ninth at the Gas Station Recording Studio, Bro,
(08:56):
what do we have for our people?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Well, first of all, appreciate you for inviting me and
uh reaching out and extending that. That means a lot
that you even think about putting me on it because
I'm I'm a drummer. I consider myself a pocket drummer
and somebody who just accompanies the music for the best,
best way I can do it. But what I can
offer to this is gonna be some blazing tracks behind
(09:20):
and it's gonna be some tasteful feels and fellowship is
going to be get hearted fellowship and we're gonna we
gonna slam and that's what it is about. Because just
because you slamm it on mean you you have to
have an ego. We're gonna we're gonna slam the love.
That's r right, that's right, that's right, that's wrong, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
You know, there's u you know, a type of sessions
that you know far as of you know, group sessions
that we do, you know, uh, far as the festivals,
as far as the clinics and stuff. But I'd always
like to extend that session that we have and you know,
in August, because it's gonna be to where it's you know,
(10:04):
you know, people are going to be just looking at
the group of people. I got a testimony for these
people that that the world and these uh the community
needs to know because I've been through so much. Bro,
you just don't know. I'm still going God.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Right and God and.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
God is doing his thing right now, boy, Bro, God
is doing his thing. And I'm truly thankful that I'm
still up and able and up in saying that I'm
I'm here, you know, because you may not know I
(10:46):
had two back surgeries. I still was supposed to been.
I'm still right now. It's supposed to been like you know,
of what they call it a parent politic right now?
From my my, uh my, my my, uh my, what
(11:08):
to call it? My name? I'm down to my feet.
I was supposed to have nothing, but uh God has
says uh not. So you know, you know, you know,
I'm thankful for that. You know I'm still up there kicking,
kicking hard and making God proud. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And that's awesome. That's awesome as long as you realize
that that that you're overcoming by the day and everything
is a process. And don't get don't get too busy
looking at the ending goal. Just make sure you're chipping
away at that rock or that that thing is in
front of you. That it looks huge, but when you
look back at those small chips, they do make a
big difference to the bigger issue. So I'm glad that
(11:56):
God understands you understand God enough to understand that's how
he works. Some days it happens in big miracles, and
some days it happens my duration. And about that, you're
right about that, You're right about that, And then and
and and.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
What we need to do is keep God first, and
he'll he'll added the increase.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Indeed you will.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Indeed he so far as of far as your studio sessions,
do you like the studio sessions better than the live sessions? M?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, no, not really. It's just been a situation to
where like for years, I've also put my musicality behind
me and went to what was driving me in my
regular life. You know. So you have to you have
to make room, make time for something you believe that
you're passionate about, because your life may put you in
a different direction, uh than where your passion is driving
(12:58):
you to. It's like my past is here, but if
I don't make a cognitive understanding of what I should
do to put myself in the right place to be
passionate about this, then your passion you can sit in
the in the house and watch your passion pass you
right by like a parade. So I had to start
making missions to put myself in a position position where
I could produce. I used to do it in Oklahoma
(13:20):
all the time, and it was like I was a
high school history teacher and football coach and threestyle times
state champion and Union High School. Shout out to Union
High School and Tosoklahoma. I was there doing my thing
as a linebackers coach there and it was all my
way to do a lot of different things. Is when
I got the call to come to Las Vegas with
the BB King All Star Band, and that's when my
(13:41):
life kind of took a different direction. And I came
here in the spring of twenty ten and did the
Millage with B. B. King All Star Band, and that's
when everything start changing. You ain't tell me all that, bro, Well,
I don't really talk about it. And listen, things happened,
(14:04):
you know. That's how that's how I got to Vegas.
It wasn't behalf of sance uh. Tony Peters, which was
BB King's manager at the time, came through Taus, Oklahoma
and saw band playing which was Phase three and the
version of Full Flavored Kings back in Oklahoma. Shout out
to Charlie red and And and Star Fisher and Sandy
Watt who's here in Vegas as well. That there was
only one of the only people we kept out of
(14:25):
the band that came here to Vegas. And we also
had Ali Start that was the actors sub for Start
for Star Fishing. Yeah, we got a lot of people
to thank, you know. And uh, Steve Grill Rest in
Peace and Harley Ham. All these people came from Tulsa, Oklahoma,
and we played as dB King Alstar Band and then, uh,
(14:48):
that's how I got acclimated to Las Vegas and I
stayed when I found out I was having my only child.
So being the youngest and six kids, I had to
make sure that I didn't, you know, perpetuate the image
that my father didn't show to me. And instead of
going back to what was comfortable in Oklahoma, to my
own house, my own cars and comfortability, I chose to
stay here and be your father. So that's my only child.
(15:10):
She's my name, Riley Jade. She's here in my stages,
and that's the reason why I stay. Awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Awesome, that's amazing, That's truly amazing. So what inspired you
on your are your focus on the command economic empowerment,
particularly with the community. What inspired you with this?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
What like, uh, get more specific about it as far
as that kind of about community of.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
The music in any community gins.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Well, I mean it's kind of like it goes without
saying people who have had an ability can either choose
to do something or they can allow it to do
something to them, and I saw it just like I
see sports as a linebacker myself in Missouri. You know,
I played a lot of ball in my life, and
(16:12):
you know, it's just the cognitive understanding of eleven men
or on a field playing and doing their jobs to
get one goal done. And it's applicable to music too,
depending on how big your your band is and how
big you want your sound to be, but how many
When you add more people to that town to their band,
it's even more important that everybody hones in on their
(16:33):
particular roles even more Otherwise the overall product is going
to deem itself unworthy of winning or being successful. So
that's why a lot of bands start out as three pieces,
and once they get that cognitive understanding, then they move
to four pieces. But it always has to be a vision.
So I think that's the football coach in me is
what made me get back into the music in a
(16:55):
different way, because I didn't just see it as somewhere
for me to just showcase what I could do. I
want to. I wanted everybody to be able to be
a part of something that sounds sounds great, you know,
sounds something that makes people feel good and dancing, they
don't even know why they dancing, and infectious naking music
and stuff I'm addicted to.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
That's understandable. That's understandable. Now let me ask you a question.
I always ask this question sometimes. Basically, when we was
going through this, did a pandemic have an effect on you?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah? Of course, Oh yeah, a major effect on me.
I mean I wanted to go back home to Oklahoma
and tak my tail because we had so many obstacles
I did. I wanted to go home. I was like,
I'm at that time, I was like, I'm forty five now,
so I was forty forty one, forty about to turn
(17:58):
forty two. I'm a holder. This is about this is
a situation is about to rock my boat, and I
don't know if I have enough, you know, solidity to
sustain through this. This blow that we had no idea
how long we would have happened for. So yeah, rocked me.
But uh, I've been a cook my whole life, and
I'm a barbecue. I will not quite a master, but
(18:21):
I'm something like that. You know what I'm saying. So
I went out and.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Printed hold on you you, uh, you a little bit
about plucking a little bit of feathers right now.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Bro, I'm just saying I'm something like that. I'm something
like that, and a lot of a lot of my
musician friends and people that that know. Throughout the pandemic,
I sold barbecue plates. I had my cards and everything
were printed Jack's Barbecue. My legal name is Jack, so
put I put j a x S Barbecue and I
jumped in my little missus DC Lansing and ran around
(18:53):
there selling plates fifteen dollars a pop off through the pandemic,
you know, And and I made the paper.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Wow. So that means I'm I'm I'm We're gonna have
to uh go against each other on these sauces, man,
because I got my own sauce myself.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Uh Hey, it's been in Chickens Out Jack. It's been
in five stores already. It's been in a matter of fact,
it's been in Marios, it's been in Jimmy's, and it's
been in Thrawers, it's been in uh So, So what
I'm doing right now is I'm revamping it right now.
Exactly what I'm doing.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Got you, Okay, I didn't know this to you. Another
thing I didn't know about you. We had we had
to get on this this public platform, and we founding
out things just to go.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
That's why it's called That's why I got all these platforms.
I got musicians, Matters, the Takeover, I have Chef Talk,
and then I have uh the drum Fest.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
So you know, I got all those platforms. But God
seemed fit for you know, me to talk to us.
You know, either I could I could talk to a chef,
I could talk to a minister, I could talk to whoever.
Because I can, God seem fit for me to you know,
(20:19):
just handler it like that. You know, he gave me that,
not the authority, but he gave me that gift to
talk to people. And I'm very truly thankful for that.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Most definitely, that's a that's a great gift to hold
in on and understand that that's an influential thing that
has to be cultivated and make sure you always and
you're doing a great job of spreading the word, and uh,
you know, just keep on doing what you're doing, because
this is our this is our future. The future is now.
We always say that as a cliche, but it's really
(20:53):
it really means. The truth is anything you did last
year that was unproductive. This year, you're reaping the power
differ negative uh benefits of what you didn't or did
do last year. It's just what it is, you know.
And a lot of people don't take that to to
you know task. But in my in my storyline, I
(21:13):
will also say, I'm a third generation barbecue guy from
black Wall Street, Toss, Oklahoma. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
we had barbecue places that got destroyed unfortunately in the
in the nineteen twenty one race riot. So we had
a we had a barbecue place, he had a taxi
cab company, and we had uh, you know, dry cleaners
that all got destroyed and that unfortunately, very crazy event
(21:38):
that happened at the hands of of you know people
that we won't I won't even.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Go I understand, I understand this. Don't don't don't don't
worry about that. God is gonna see fit for you
to do it again, because that's where I said, That's
why I'm looking at it right now. God, God is
giving me the opportunity to uh do it again in
(22:03):
the bigger scale, you know what I'm saying. So I'm
just waiting. That's all I'm doing right now, Just waiting.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
My Bronco Car. I got to do that. Bronco Car,
who also has his own barbecue South out of the
stores in Alberson's and Safeways in Oklahoma. So when you
said George Us, I had to get my name Bronco Car.
He's got six fold two fifty eight to sixty probably
by wow, yeah, K wow, amazing.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I love it. I love it. I love it. No,
you know, because we got to stick for the stick
for stick with the community. You know, we got to
stick for with each other. It's time out for you know,
knocking each other down. That's basically what I'm I'm I'm not.
I don't like that when people knock each other down,
(22:59):
you know. You know, musicians have a tendency to do that.
You know, I'm just putting it out there. Musicians have
a tendency to knock each other down, or leaders have
a tendency to knock each other down. We all are
(23:19):
shedding the same blood, That's basically what I'm trying to say.
And we gotta respect each other as loved ones. We
got to respect each other as we would we expect
respect each other as myself. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Indeed, My biggest take on that is is I don't
believe anything somebody tells me. You know. My thing is
a lot of affiliations allow people to think stuff about
folks that they shouldn't. I mean, if this person is bad,
I'm gonna go out and see for myself. I just
I don't. I don't. I don't subscribe to anything negative
(23:59):
because if they nobody would tell me something negative about
somebody else, then they're gonna say something about me to
the next person. So I don't. I don't really subscribe
to any of that type energy, and nor do I
put any type of bad energy out there. Whatever is,
if something is working for somebody else, all I'm gonna
do is say God's bless us to you and keep working.
My opinion doesn't matter to somebody else's success. And that's
(24:20):
the biggest thing that people have to understand in the
music game. Until most some of the most talented people
are the ones that are not working and are the
ones that are not reaping the harvest of their actual
gifts because they're using their gifts to fuel their inadequacies emotionally.
So that great gift that you have that you are
unable to give to the other people is because you
have a barrier up from the inadequacy that you hide,
(24:44):
so your great gift can't even make it through the
people because you destroyed the relationships before you even get
to show your gift. And that's the biggest thing we
have to address in our musicians community is is addressing
those inner issues so we can let that actuals, that
spirit of the good music and the good buyer show
throughout your innerhert like I make it my purpose to
just tell people I apologize when I say I did
(25:06):
something wrong. All my friends, anybody who sees it, whether
you're in Dallas, Texas, Fort Ladaville, Florida, Charlotte, North Carolina, Tolas, Oklahoma,
Little Rock, Arkansas, everybody who knows me knows that I'm
the person that will call and apologize if I felt
that I said something wrong. And I pride myself on
that because I'm always keep myself accountable because I don't
want to feel anybody I have value for, even not
(25:29):
just value, but somebody who I don't even know, but
more so, if I know you and I have a
relationship with you, we need to repair things when they
happen immediately and not let em from apologizing that ego.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Can mess up a lot of a lot of conversations
a lot of people. You know that, And I don't
like stuff like that. And why I'm trying to tell
you this. My our logo is about unity. It's Drummers united.
(26:04):
You know, where there's unity, their strength. So indeed, you
know that's where what we live off of. We we
live off of unity. So I love it exactly what
you're speaking unity.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Indeed, and that's the most important trait. Man. I appreciate
you for having me on here because I don't I
don't get a chance to say that. The few people
that I talked to privately, they give me opportunity to
say what I say. But those are just my close friends,
and you know, they're friends that I deal with on
a regular basis, so they.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Hear pat That's what this platform is for. This platform
is for people to talk and to get an understanding
about each other and make things happen around this world.
You know, we're reaching over one hundred and ten, one
hundred and fifty countries right now as we speak. And
(27:04):
so I'm thankful for my mentor Batman Jerry Royce Live
Positive Power twenty one. If it wasn't for him at
this time, I wouldn't we wouldn't be right here, you
know what I'm saying. If it wasn't for him, we
(27:24):
wouldn't be right here having this great conversation.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Big shout out. Don't know him personally, the big big
shout out for around this opportunity in this platform.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Yes, it's a it's a great it's a great opportunity.
You know. Yes, like I was just talking to you earlier, Yes,
I was live, and I was had the platform. You know,
I was you know, you know has the video and everything.
But you know, it doesn't have to be about the video.
(27:55):
It has to be about just the conversation. You know,
we can have the conversation and still have get the
same point. Cross. Actually we are. We're reaching We're reaching
more people than I was before. So I'm just thankful
for Jay Roy said, just come on over here with me, Bro,
(28:19):
I'm gonna just teach you and I'm and just think,
just think right now, you had your number ninety seven.
This conversation is number ninety seven. We got three more
to go to a hundred. I'm just thankful for that,
you know. So it's a blessing for that.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
To make a hundred outside. That's that old code again
that came out.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and have none to do. That's right,
you right about that?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, go ahead and get running right on what he
ain't gonna be?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Yes, yes, yes, that's all we know. You you know
I was born Koching, you know, and it runs through
my blood. You know, Vegas View Church and God in
Christ and you know I was born in that church.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And my ancestors started that church. Uh, Clark Stella Parson,
Thank God for him. They they gone with the Lord,
but they still leaving legacies around. They got schools and
scholarships and everything named after them. It's a blessing. You know.
(29:37):
My cousins, you know, they still living pastor uh antone
Parson things. He was on this podcast before, doctor Anton Parson.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
And then I'm trying to get my other cousin his mother, Uh,
doctor Jacqueline Barker just had her her birthday on yesterday.
She shouts out to my cousin, doctor Jacqueline, doctor, celebrating
your your birthday on the day before yesterday or yesterday.
(30:14):
God bless your cousin Jackie. Uh. Bro check this out.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I got. I got one thing that I want to
say real quick.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Okay? I know you not to say something, but I couldn't.
I would be remiss if I didn't bring this up
Oklahoma Northwest Jurisdiction where I got started in Oklahoma. Big
shout out to all of the Oklahoma north West and
Southeast jurisdictions. But the lady who put me on drums
and big in a big environment for the first time
at night twelve years old, ten years old was I
(30:46):
d Wilson, and she was the rest of peace. She
was the music director for Oklahoma Northwest Jurisdiction. We had
like I'm two hundred member choir, uh when everybody got
everybody together. But that's also Charlie Wilson for the Gap
Band's mama, what guess? And that's what's so crazy about it.
And we used to always see Charlie and the Gap
(31:08):
Man come home and Tosa, Oklahoma. If you didn't know
what that means, that means greenwood, archer and pine. That's
what Gap Band stands for. But I got the wonderful
pleasure of playing with I d Wilson and she put
me on her and Andrew Embury when I was a kid,
you know what I'm saying. Playing for the complications and
everything with the older caster was like nineteen to twenty,
and I was under like eleven and twelve. So big
(31:29):
shout out for her believing in me, rest in peace
and all of the Wilson family and everybody's that I'm
a childman, so my sister and all them people man
in so many I got cousins, my cousin Faith and
Joe Anderson. Faith just spent eighteen years with almost eighteen
years fifteen years with singing background for Kirk Franklin that
she owns her own record company and production label called
(31:50):
Tenth Child Production. Joe her brother, I just want. I
just wrote to one song on his album that just
came out to Joseph Anderson Project.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
And my song is called Purpose, Purpose to stayed on You.
And he's an awesome singer. He used to sing with
Nattie Wilson. They're so peek around he we just got
to we come from minutes all live from north side
oak you know, north side Turkey that in christ And Oklahoma.
No ret jurisdiction. So I'll be remiss if I didn't
shout out all these people that were really influencer in
my life and my big brother Spencer, and I don't
(32:21):
want to talk too much, but I had to say
that keep keep on talking because people needs to hear that.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You know, you know where you came from. You know
that's that's a blessed work. That is a blessing. That's
truly a blessing. Because your line is very strong. That's
a blessing. That is truly a blessings, blessing.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And I got to play with Rant Allen and the
Clark's sisters, and that's a bell armstrong. I played with
so many different artists because of the workshops that they
put on in Oklahoma Northwestern Timothy Wright. I can go
on and on about how we had to play, We
had to learn and do these things. On Friday night,
we get out of going to come down and learn
and rehearse and get up on Saturday and then we
(33:03):
do our concert Saturday afternoon, and with all these different
artists that were big in our time. And is you know,
to see Twinkie Clark sitting next to me on the
Oregon while I'm trying to play and watch Maddie Bosse
Clark through tambourine to shoot.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
That was the blest that let's let's talk about that part.
That was an experience to the lifetime too. I had
a chance to play with with uh Twinkie Clark. You know,
I love me some Clark sisters. I had no hands
to play with the Clark Twinkie Clark when she came
(33:38):
down here with her mother back in the eighties. That
was that was doing the mother Lola, I mean Mother Hall.
She was the choir president, stay choir president back in
the days, and Lady Halls, Bishop Hall's wife. I'm really missed.
(34:05):
Oh my goodness, oh my goodness. And did uh you
didn't get to schee thrown at you? Did you? From
Mattie Moss? Did you?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I didn't, but a good friend from mine. Big shout
out to Adam Ross and down in Houston doing the
same drummer boy prediction that Hoaston Texas, the great, great
drummer great friend almost disliked family to be all day.
But Adam got that he got some sue. She went
over there and touched every symbol over there, like you
(34:36):
got all these symbols and you ain't hitting none of
these symbols. Feel that song up boy he was in there.
Oh okay, so now I know when I got the
symbols and that she she told us that the dynamics
of when we get loud, you get loud, and that
was nice that you couldn't find that nowhere else but
in church.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yes, yeah, shouts out to David Blakely. He's a uh
he's the choir president for the state right now. So
you know, you know, it's just truly just the just
to see just my you know, you know, doors open
up for you. You know, back in the days, you know,
(35:19):
I had a chance to play with David Blakeley back
in the days for the state choir as a kid.
I was like eleven, twelve years old. And then I
played like I was. I prove. I played for Shirley
Caesar back in the days when they opened up Victory
(35:40):
Baptist Church right around the corner from me. Then I
played for like you was talking about. I played for
James Moore. I played for uh a lot of people,
James Moore, I just can't even name them all.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
It was.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It's a lot of parts to go back to.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
U huh, I said, it's hard to go back and
remember all those archives.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I know, it's a lot I had played for a
lot of a lot of people. Uh, jump past the
jump key when he came back here. That's that's that's
when I back in those days. You know, he with
those foot foot those hen stuffing and foot tappings and
(36:26):
then all that. That's when I was back. I was
playing with I was playing those type of songs with
with him, you know, you know, but you know fars
of those loops and all that. You know, I played some,
but you know, he was back in the days. He
was very old school, you know. So it was an
opportunity of a lifetime just to play with those people.
(36:50):
But one before we we uh in this, there's two
questions I gotta ask you. One question is what what
what type of sticks do you you use?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Oh, you're gonna make me say it out loud. Yeah, yeah,
Well I'm using Big First right now. But uh, you
know what I'm saying. I like the I like the
feel of the seven Ages seven bees, and then I
used to five bees as well. But I like the
round tests on the Big First. And uh, I used
(37:29):
to like those Milgion rubber bottoms. Uh, but they just
kind of they just break too fast. But I'm I'm cool.
I'm the big first right now.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Awesome, awesome. I played for UH shot out to Mold Drumsticks.
I'm an artist from More Drumsticks right now. I've been
an artist with him probably probably about going on six
to seven years now, and that's if I want to join,
(38:01):
I would definitely, I would definitely send your set UH
soon as soon as I can. I'm in the process
of closing something right now with UH for the for
the drum Clinic, because because he's going to be sending
some some of my sticks out so we can have
(38:23):
for you know, for the UH door prizes.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Got you.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Yeah, So have you heard like, you know, like sticks
with waits in them.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I've heard people talking about. I haven't physically held them
to know what that is. I've heard about it, though.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, I have a I have a I got a
chance to weigh my sticks and and that's basically who
i UH endorsed with. And then my my sticks, my
weights are basically are at the the bottom of the sticks,
(39:07):
not the tip.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Minds last longer and so you'll get a chance to
fill them when you be at the clinic or and
like you said, I'm a senior pair lo.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
L indeed, So let me get acclimated to them. You know,
I said, I'm playing on.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Of a session exactly exactly. But before we close the store,
the show off, bro, what do you have to say
to this world? Because we've been going through so so much,
we got to say something positive. What do you have
to say to the world positive that they can grasp on?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Oh, that's a good question. Technically, the only thing I
really have to say is that you only control two
things in your life. That your attitude and your effort.
If you decide that you don't like what you're doing,
and your attitude is conducive of what you don't want
to do, and then you, because of that you give
bad effort or poor effort towards it, then you're wasting
(40:22):
your time of existing in itself. You have to control
your attitude and your effort so you can get things
to the right place that you need to be to
function at the level that you want to. But that
attitude and that effort would always keep us spinning in
that dryer and that spin cycle. And we're wondering why
we're not getting what we want out of life, it's
because we're waking up with a bad attitude and not
(40:43):
giving enough effort. And that's the most important thing that
we have to realize. Control your attitude and give a
great effort even if you don't like the circumstances that
you're in, because that's the law of attraction. Is everybody,
somebody's going to come and see you when you don't
feel like being taught you, and you have to make
sure you're controlling that attitude of effort the moment that
(41:04):
you kind of life, the moment you want to give
somebody a piece of your mind. That's one of the
very person that you need to go to your next
level is waiting to hear something from you. So control
your attitude and control your effort. And nobody cares how
much you know, and today know how much you care.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
That's it, right, that's right, that's right. I would like
to thank my friend Pete for just being on this show.
You just gave us a lot of words of encouragement
or words of knowledge that people that needs to hear.
(41:44):
You know, people are going through a lot of stuff
and we thank you for that. And I would like
to thank my mentor Jerry Roy. So I would like
to thank my other mentor tind of Gass. I would
like to think my other mentor will folks for being
in this uh my life for once. For if it
(42:05):
wasn't for them, you know, I wouldn't be here, you know,
you know, just talking to you. You know, you know
they speak in life to me. You understandable what I'm saying.
So you always welcome to this this this show anytime.
So we signing off and you have a blessing and
(42:28):
prosperous day on my brother, Pete.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
Pete, tell but in the house man love you. God
is love.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
I would love you to love you too, bro.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
All right.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
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