Ep. 119: WWE BAD BLOOD 2024 REVIEW!!!

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girl pursler.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm all welcomes to me de Mont exclusive Greek in
the wrestling community. I'm mad or horse hurt.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Ser hr.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Why the river god job.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
And it's bad part problem rom a.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Fire, go my thumb when we hint there. Welcome to
another edition of.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Must Love Wrestling. As your resident hosts of the show,
The Ogs, the Talent, The Canadian Nightmare, Tyler Taylor and
what's that say there? Oh? Yeah, let's go Yankees. That's right, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Let's go Tigers?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Oh Tigers? What is that about?

Speaker 6 (01:29):
Guy?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
That's you know, it's funny.

Speaker 7 (01:31):
Actually I should have discussed this before the show, but
let's do it now. I was backing through my Facebook
memories this morning and I had it's like fifteen years ago,
or this was twenty eleven, whenever, thirteen years ago, I
guess I had picked the Tigers to beat the Yankees,
and a lot of people said a lot of things,
and they.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Did, and I was gloating, and you were so mad
at me.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, you're like, wait, that's what we do to be
a friend. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that that's kind of
how you do it. I remember I remember doing this
the same thing. I was pretty happy when Jose Bautista
got punched in the head by the ranger. I thought
he deserved it.

Speaker 7 (02:11):
Yeah, you gotta gotta be him and then punch him
in the head.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, that happened the year later. Come on, now, that
didn't happen the same.

Speaker 7 (02:21):
Game their their last time they faced him that year.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
To Yeah, I remember that. I remember, yeah, Bista, man,
he had such a great career. We're going to talk
Brett today because there were some homages paid to him
in the very first match. But why don't we jump
right into bad Blood before we get into it and
break break it down match by match? Tyler, why don't

(02:47):
you tell me what you thought of the card in
its entirety? What did you think? What were what were
your positives, your negatives, what were your you know, your
overall thinking of the match of the pay per view?

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Well, uh, I thought Punk and Drew had a really
great opener.

Speaker 7 (03:06):
Ilana sell I was really annoyed that it was the
opener and I could do without. I think we've I
think I've said before on here that I genuinely just
I can't think of a strong enough word. I despise
the stabbing in professional wrestling. We don't need to stab

(03:29):
one another. We don't need to use needles, staplers, none
of that. Ship just like regular weapons are enough. Maybe
the occasional flaming table.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
I just it's it really upsets me. H. Do you
catch all that? Folks? It looks like no, he's looking,

(04:06):
he's moving, he's blinking.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Did we lose you? Are you there?

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I think I think we lost to you. Did Did
you catch all that? Are you there?

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah? I can hear you.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Okay, yeah, did you catch my rat?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
No? Not not, but I'm sure our fans did so.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, we're discussing stabbing and the needles and staplers and
other various non traditional wrestling weapons.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, I agree. I gotta be honest. I want to
go back to the beginning because let me tell you something, man.
The first thing I noticed about this was Punk's shirt
was strategically placed over his tights. It was a uh
shirt for tall, brittall and big men. I noticed when

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he came out, and I was like, oh, this is interesting.
And then when he took off his shirt, I noticed
the color scheme of his tights. I also noticed the
I also noticed his the heart on his tights, and
I just thought to myself, I was like, man, this

(05:24):
is such a great homage to the original match. I
think the only bad blood match that you can say
that has that had real, real like bad blood indications,
like with you know, Undertaker and the Heartbreak Kid Shawn Michaels.
As I have the match playing on the background here.

(05:45):
I genuinely loved it. I thought the way these two
worked each other was just absolutely brilliant. I said this
during our last pay per view review that I thought
that cm punk and Drew and Tyre they have to
be fight forever guys, Like I don't want them to
kiss and makeup. I don't want them to move on.

(06:06):
I want Drew to k fabe this until the end
of time. I want cmpunk to k fabe this until
the end of time. Like, let's leave it this way.
Let's leave it that they dislike each other and they're
never ever going to change, because the way this came
off was absolute hatred. And I said this on a

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rant earlier, and I really wanted to run it by
you because you're a wrestling historian like myself, we really
appreciate all of professional wrestling in its entirety. I think
in ten years time this will be considered one of
the most important wrestling matches ever. When I think of
importance to the business, I think of I think of

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hul Cogan and Andrea the Giant. I think of Bret
Hart and Steve Austin. I think of Brett Hard and
Shawn Michaelson, the Iron Man match. I think of Sena
and uh cmpunk of Hogan and Rock. These matches are
so important to the business that I mean, they're studied,

(07:14):
They're studied all over the globe, and I wanted to
hear your take on it. On the believability that this
is like an important wrestling match to the history of
pro wrestling.

Speaker 7 (07:25):
Yeah, So, as far as believability goes, I would say absolutely,
it was a It was easy to believe that they
both just hated each other and wanted to destroy one another.
It's been easy to believe that throughout their whole feud.
But other than that, like when you say important, uh,

(07:47):
I guess I'm not sure what you mean as far
as like studying on how to do like how to
do this, telling us all how to how to sell
it kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, I mean, how you sell it story how like
when you look at professional wrestles today. Yes, the whole
feud is just beautiful. And this, if this is the
actual nail in the coffin, if this is actually that's it,
it's buried like for now, like we're not going to
get a rehashing of these two for a very long time.
I absolutely believe that this will be what we saw

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in this match. So we saw at one point the
Sharpshooter put on Drew McIntyre with the bloody face kind
of like the homage to Brett and Steve Austin, because
we know that that feud was like guttural. We know that,
like the way like you put the s in front
of Hitman, like all of those things, like Brett and

(08:44):
Austin doing the double turn, like what it meant to
the business that people even I mean, isn't that your
favorite WrestleMania match ever?

Speaker 7 (08:52):
It's my favorite, well, it's probably my favorite wrestling match ever.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Honestly, Well there you go, like I think that's what good?
It's perfect. Yes, exactly. I think that this match will
be considered that I'm gonna have to do it because
I wouldn't be myself. If I didn't do it, I
would be lying to our fans and our listeners. Once again,

(09:16):
I cannot believe how Triple H was able to put
his differences and everything that Punk said about this company
aside to do business to make money, and the fact
that the company that Cmpunk left, well they chose friendships

(09:38):
over money, and I.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
Just can't anyone backstage then.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
He didn't, but he's, i mean, the face of the
company wrestled on this card at the end of the
and he has gone on record saying that Punk made
his life easy harder. Punk made his life harder by
by one podcast. So he's done some a pretty severe
damage to this company, and they were able to forgive him,

(10:05):
you know what I mean, Like they were able to
do so. And that's just kind of what I feel like.
I mean, obviously, there's one hundred and eighty five million
dollars that are you know, staring us right in the face,
that are telling us like, hey, you know, obviously somebody
sees value in aew and I think AW does a
really good job and what they do, they know how

(10:26):
to cater to their specific fan base. But there are
two times tonight where I'm going to mention mistakes by aew.
One is in the beginning of this pay per view,
and one is at the very end. And I just
wanted to point that out because I feel like they've
just made some massive mistakes, massive mistakes, and I.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Have to say what I always have to say. You
cannot assault for coworkers and just think nothing's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I mean, wwe didn't fire Booker, T and Batista, they
didn't fire the big show in Great colleagues.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
When they these things happened. Did they happen in twenty
twenty two, twenty twenty three, or did they happen.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh, come at different time. Come on, now, are you
stating that it's it's just absolutely that's the end all
be all. You're telling me that there was nobody that
wanted him gone from the company.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
No, obviously not. They brought him back. They were like, Yeah,
this is what we're gonna do. This is gonna work.
He says, it's not gonna work, just let me go.
But they wanted to bring him back and try to
make it work.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I suppose the one thing I wanted to say to you,
I really wanted to run by you apparently I have
done some really extensive research on this. Today, the Legends
in attendance giving Punk and Drew a standing ovation was
an impromptu moment that was started by Lilli and Garcia.
She jumped up because she genuinely thought the match was fantastic,

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and then Booker t followed, and then the rest of
the Legends stood up and gave them a standing ovation.
And I think I thought that was beautiful. Yeah, I
thought that was beautiful that it wasn't a planned moment,
that it was actually like a hey man, we feel
that this match warrants our just praise being that we're
what we are in the business. And speaking of all

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of the wrestlers that were there in attendance, and we
won't go through all of them, guys, you can google
that stuff. Plus I don't have the list here, so
I would just be like disingenuous by trying to tell
you the list. I think it's really cool that the
Legends gave them a standing ovation. I I felt like
I had to give them a standing ovation. Me and Jordan,
we were watching this while it was happening, and I

(12:36):
just couldn't believe what I was watching. It was beautiful.

Speaker 7 (12:44):
I guess I didn't. I didn't. I mean, I thought
it was great, but I mean it just wasn't like
a life changing experience for me.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I don't know, Okay, I mean I like I said, yeah, yeah,
I mean I really really enjoyed the match.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
I think I was annoyed enough at the placement of
the match and hmm, the stabbing that it just took
away from it for me.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Okay, I mean for me, it was definitely I have
to be very blunt and clear here. The match made
me a little emotional. I'm not gonna lie. Like I
felt like I was watching history. I felt like I
felt like when my dad told me he watched Hulk

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and Andre at Russellmania three. Like like I felt, I
really felt like I'm so lucky. And my daughter is
two years old and she's watching wrestling with me, and yes,
she probably shouldn't be watching the Blood, but she doesn't
fully get it. But I have a picture of her
now watching the television from behind and being able to
show her that, like I was able to show Arthur

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the first time he watched Punk and John Cena. He
wasn't alive for it, but when I first showed him
the match. He was like studying it like it's it's
it's a TikTok video I have. It's one of my
first ones. He's just sitting there like an attention, like
he's in a classroom, and it was just that's what
I felt like I was watching yesterday. I was genuinely emotional,

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like I kept getting like worked up about it, and
I was like, this is beautiful. This is like one
of those matches I felt like the cmpunk guy in
the aw audience. That's what I felt like yesterday.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
All right, And like as I said to you about
about one of the other matches that we'll talk about later,
that's that's what matters, man.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yes, Yes, those moments.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
That's what matters, because at the end of the day,
this is about having fun and enjoying it and dealing things.
So yes, that's how it made you feel. That's great.

Speaker 7 (14:40):
I do have to say one other thing, and unfortunately
it is a negative. I won thousand percent. I think
the wrong guy won.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Really well, why don't you speak to that before we
jump into Bailey and the Queen nia Jax.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Because Sampunk is a made man. Mm hm, he does
not I.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
Need to win a feud with Drew McIntyre to be
a made man. He already is and Drew McIntyre is
getting there, But it would have been huge for.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
His career for his persona to say that he, you know,
beat Ciampunk.

Speaker 7 (15:17):
Two out of three or whatever. You know, he won
the feud, he got the last laugh. Yeah, I just
think it's it's more important too.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Two.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
It would have meant more for him to win. Okay,
I mean, yeah, I I have to agree with you
based on the fact that I have to stick to
my guns. I predicted All Heels to win this, this
premium live event. I did not expect. I was wrong,
Like like every I was wrong all but than I

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a match. I genuinely thought, yeah, we'll we'll talk about it. Yep, yep.
I have my specific person that I thought was gonna
take the pin. Everything. I had a specific thing in mind.
Uh for the thought, not.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
That one, not that one.

Speaker 7 (16:11):
I just never in a million years thought the Beller
was beating increased.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Oh well, we'll talk about that. We have a couple
of matches till we get there. But yeah, so I
I gotta say I agree with you. I thought CM
punk should have uh, he should have shouldn't have won
this match. But as our friend of the podcast, Patty
Reekan has stated, he is very sure that we are
getting Gunter versus CM Punk at Survivor Series. And if

(16:38):
that's what's happening, then you kind of need Punk to
go in. They're strong, So.

Speaker 7 (16:43):
Man, I hope so, because like otherwise, that would be
three payer reviews in a row without a title match
or Premium one events, whatever you're gonna call it.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Because we know pron Jewel isn't have one.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
We'll talk they technically do whatever. We'll talk about that
abomination of a championship when we get there. So so yeah,
I mean yeah, we obviously we didn't expect this. I
gotta tell you guys here on the podcast, Tyler does
a cheeseburger uh scale, and I do an Panada scale.

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Uh So, Tyler, in your cheeseburger scale, what would you
rate this match? Let's say out of five, we'll do
the Deve four and a half. Okay, Yeah, I'm I'm
going to I'm gonna steal a line from Kenny Omega
on his live stream, this match broke my brain and

(17:42):
I'm going to give it at a five. I'm going
to give it six and banadas because I I love
this match that much. And uh, for those of you
that don't know, yep, yep, yep, it's just like the
five star when somebody gets a six star rating. That's
kind of how I feel about it. But yes, for
those of you that don't understand the joke, Kenny Omega,

(18:03):
on one of his first live streams on Twitch, talking
about professional wrestling, said that he broke Dave Meltzer's brain
and he just hands out five star matches like their candy. Uh. Now,
getting back to this show here, let's jump into the
match that you and I have a difference of opinion on.
But clearly I think for me it's more of an
emotional side of it because of what I witnessed in

(18:25):
my own household. But as I'm watching the match now, Tyler,
you had some negative thoughts about Bailey versus Nile. Why
don't you tell me what exactly you didn't like and
just if there's anything you did like, why don't you
give me your heads up there? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (18:42):
I mean, I think I think for the most part
they work like a solid standard match, but the I
don't like the word, So I'm gonna I'm not gonna
use the word botch, which I guess. Okay, there's one
where Bailey has not I uh for our bomb and
Nya tries to do like her Corona and Bailey takes

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the weirdest bump ever.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yep, Yep, she over sells it. Yep. It kind of
looked like Michael's versus Hogan.

Speaker 7 (19:12):
Which what I said was, well, realistically, I guess in
a real fight, maybe that's what would.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
Have happened, mm hmm. But it didn't look good. And
then the the bonds Ie drop just I don't know
what exactly it was.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
It just looked bad, Okay, like.

Speaker 7 (19:36):
It just looked it just looked. It wasn't believable that
she like you know, connected or whatever.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Got it, got it. The whole the whole cash in thing,
oh okay.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Was odd.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I mean I think I think what exactly what was
supposed to happen happened.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
But m it would have have been a better way
to go to have had her accidentally cash in.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Okay, Yeah, I I I kind of did be there.

Speaker 7 (20:12):
Because I don't think she ever intended on actually cashing
in like I thought she was at first, but then
when she goes to take the briefcase back, It's like, oh,
she was never gonna do it in the end at all,
and then if they had accidentally done it, it would
have been.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, I mean, uh so, what I when I mean
by what I mean by emotional is watching this with
my kids. It was very much. I think Naya has
done such a great job in this second run of
her WE career that she doesn't I don't think WWE

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realizes what she means to fans as a whole. For
Bailey to kind of be that kid friendly wrestler who
they I love the fact that Tiffany called her Pam,
like used her real name almost like you know, trying
to bring out the real person and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
I thought I thought that was like a pet name
that Sasha had for.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
No, no, no, her real name is Pam. And then yeah,
so when when I watched it, I was shocked that
my kids started chanting Naya, like let's go Naya, and
I was like, oh my god, like she's the heel
in this, like these are my babies, these are little
macho babies. Like I was like, they are rooting for
the heel and I I mean, obviously, Naya this second

(21:43):
run has been spectacular. She's been a phenomenal heel. Everything
Bailey said on Friday was right. She has been a
dominant champion. She she's been presented really well. She sells
a lot better. She she's good on the mic, good
to great honestly, like she just comes off as like
I think the way she came off, and I don't

(22:05):
want to speak about I don't I don't want to
change the subject. I just want to point it out
for just a second, if that's okay. When she explained
to herself for not getting vaccinated, right, I remember, like
the the realness in her explanation, like it was like,
this is genuinely me. This is how I feel like,
deal with it. You don't like it? Who cares?

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
And that's kind of how I feel like her character
is portrayed. And you and I talk about this a lot.
We've talked about it in private conversations. The best version
of a character is what someone called Steve Boston said,
like Stone Cold worked because he was Steve Williams turned up.
That's what it was, and that's what I feel like
Nya is. She is Nia is what she is. She's

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that in real life and this is who she is.
She believes she's better than everybody else. She believes she's
important to the business. She knows what she means to
the business. And it comes off that way, and she
does a really great job. And I'm just happy she's back,
happy she's the champ, and I'm really enjoying this whole
thing with her, and because I think I think we're
gonna have a good payoff.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah, hopefully it's better than the payoff between her and Alexa.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Oh yeah, some people just aren't meant to work together.
I think that's it.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah. The one thing you've done a great job with
this run.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
Certainly much improved. Took all the That's one thing you
can say is she thinks she's the best or whatever.
But she took all the criticism that she's had and
she worked on it and made it better. And now
she's a she's a star.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yes, yes, she definitely is. I mean it comes off, yeah,
it comes off as real, really good. And not to
sound repetitive, but yeah, I enjoyed what she had. This match,
to me, wasn't It wasn't as bad is the next
women's match. I was able to take a screenshot of

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a couple of different wrestling sites that apparently agreed. There's
a scale that I guess wrestling matches are rated, and
we'll talk about it later on how low that match
was actually rated, which I think is pretty harsh for
a pay per view that I think was almost a
perfect card. But yeah, I would have to.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Say what we just do not agree about the show
at all.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Oh okay, all right, well, yeah, I mean I thought
easily the worst.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Of the year.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Oh wow. Okay, no, we definitely disagree. I thought this
was one of the best. I thought it started off
really well. I thought it started off with a banger,
and I thought the second match was exactly what it
needed to be. It was a perfect palate cleanser to
get us ready for the rest of the show. I
think what really brought us down was Ria versus Live,
But we'll talk about that in a little bit so

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onto the next before we go over, I'd say I'd
have to give this a three and banaa set of five.
What about you? What would you give it on a
cheeseburger skille.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Two and a half to three? Okay, I don't know
if I can finish that third one.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Okay, Yeah, I gotcha, I gotcha. Uh, why don't we
jump into the match that I guess we both saw differently.
I will explain why I thought Finn was going to
win this match going away. I I'm not even joking.
I'm not saying this as like to make fun of Finn.

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I genuinely thought that this was Finn Balor's time. I
was like, this is a new character. He has not
been persented this way. He is vicious, he is horrible.
It's the best promo work I've seen from him in
a pretty it. Ever. I I thought he came off

(26:02):
as like vidictive and I did not see Damien winning
this because I thought this feud was gonna go a
couple of pay per views. And now I just don't
know how you do that because you already have Damien win,
like you already haven't won, Like I don't understand how's
it worked. But why did you think that Damien was

(26:23):
gonna win?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Because she never wins? Okay, so you're like one on
a When was the last time he won? Though? Like
it was the it was.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
The match with the Edge, I think, Yeah, I mean
the I quit match.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Yeah, I was twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Like, yeah, I mean, so there is definitely this bias
in wrestling fans where they believe that Triple H has
his guys, he loves specific wrestlers and they are going
to be presented really well, They're going to be booked properly.

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And Finn has always kind of been one of those
guys that people thought, yeah, I mean he presented him
really well. He called him money when he was in
an XT that the demon character everything. Uh yeah, I
don't know where you go from here.

Speaker 7 (27:24):
I made the comment last night that I think he
either needs to just be in n XT mm hmm
where because on the main roster he's not he's not
big enough, he's not strong enough. He's not he's not
he's not going to be booked like that because he's
you know, monsters or or or there's dinosaurs roaming again,

(27:48):
you know what I mean?

Speaker 6 (27:49):
Mmmm?

Speaker 7 (27:52):
So either put him there or let him go to
aw where again. I think that he would be, you know,
in that group with I don't want to mention his
name because you're gonna say something smart with who with
guys like Will and Ricochet and.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
To catch the Day White and.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
This is going to be a long present.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
He would be presented on that level.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, I think he's better than will Ospray. But we
can talk about Osprey and Ricochet after this because we
can touch on it like in our final thoughts. But yeah,
I mean, I agree with you, but I think I've
said this to you before. I think right now, what
wrestling fans want is the everyday guy. They don't want behemoths,

(28:45):
they don't want monsters. Well that was wrestling fans. Wrestling
fans and the bookers and the people writing for the
show are completely different people. I think fans want the
Daniel Bryant. They want the guy that when they go
to the grocery store, Oh, that guy's a professional wrestler. Dude,
he looks just like me. I'm backing him up because

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he's me, like I could do this, and it makes
people happy. That's why I think Kevin Owens has been
so over because a lot of people see him and
they're like, oh, yeah, he looks like a dude that's
here that I can be like. And I think that's
one of those things where it's like if you if
every single wrestler looks like you're everyday man, then it

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takes away from those special talents. Like where are the
big dudes? Like you have guys like Randy, like Gunter,
those guys are huge, and then like you have guys
like Sammy, who he looks like an everyday man, you

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know what I mean, he's like the folly of this world.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Yeah, but I mean saw like really up close, he's
probably a big dude.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah yeah, no, no, no, I he seen Sammy in person
and he's definitely taller, Like he's taller than Ko. So yeah,
I mean, it's just one of those things, like I
get it. It's just like it used to be special.
It used to be special when these guys moved up,
Like a guy like Sean Michael's like he wasn't he
wasn't his big as Diesel like Psycho Sid, he wasn't

(30:22):
his biggest British bulldog. He wasn't as big as some
of these guys. And then when Shawn Michaels came up
and he started rocking everybody and he started being the
best wrestler on the planet or the best wrestler ever, right,
it was like, oh man, it's it's he's just so good,
like it doesn't matter his size, He's just unbelievable. He's
incredible crazy.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
He was like six twenty at that time.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah. I mean if you say he's six two, that's fine.
But I've stood right next to him and I'm five ten.
He's not taller than me. So Pat is five nine. Yeah,
Pat is five nine. And Pat has a beautiful photo
of him and Shawn Michaels and they're they're probably the
same height.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Okay, well they built on a six to two.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
Okay, I've never had the privilege.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Okay, well you know, I mean you get to meet,
you get to have a conversation with a wrestler every
single week. So what I will say is, yeah, So
what I will say is I just really believe that,
you know, that's what people want to see. They just
want to see your everyday man. And that's why I
think guys like Balar just don't get over anymore because
it's not special. When Ballar first came in, it was

(31:32):
like it was super special. It's like, yes, like when
he beats Seth Rollins, man, if he doesn't get injured,
his career is completely different. Right now.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Yeah, he is not six to two.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, absolutely, And I know I believe he's built at
five to ten and everything. Uh yeah, and he is
not bad even Oh okay, well yeah, I mean maybe
you're right. It's the land of the Behemoths again, and
maybe they just that's who they want to see eight
at best. Yeah, I mean, Damien was booked like I

(32:01):
don't remember the last time a baby face was booked
like this. Dude. He took four coupdi gras, two on
his body and two on the back of his neck,
and then he just choked slam like he gave a
South South of Heaven like he he made the Coudi
Graul look worse than Ko and Cody made the Stunner

(32:23):
and the Crossroads look at their match like.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
He seem like they were glancing blows though too.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I I suppose it was just like they made They
made Damien look like a complete monster, and I was like, wow,
I did not expect this, like I was shot at all. Yeah,
they usually do.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
I thought, Yeah, I thought it was really much. I
like their I like their takeover match from the Takeover
in Your House as well. Uh yeah, they had a
really good match. It just I mean I thought it
was August Damien was winning.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, okay, all right, Well I would say I'd give
this a good I'm gonna give this a four out
of five and final, so I was. I was happy
with the actual wrestling match. I was happy with all
of it. I was just shocked at the ending.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yep, four cheeseburgers.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Okay, all right, Well let's move on to quite possibly
the most disappointing match in Ria Ripley's career. I think
I don't think Live holds all the blame for this.
I think this was supposed to be quirky, but just

(33:35):
it was too much for me. Like I did not
enjoy this match as a whole. I didn't. I thought
it was all theatrical and like I enjoy watching WWE
because WWE gives me a movie. Like, like Triple H
said it best at the end of the press conference,
like when you watch a movie, it's either good or bad.
That's how it is for you. And that's kind of
how I feel. And there's like there's a beginning, a middle,

(33:57):
and an end. And I thought that this was the
portion of the movie that I could have done without.
As Mikey from the Biconics actually said to me in
a text last night, this match was a perfect for
Monday night. Raw, but it was not a pl match.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
Okay, that's fair. I I don't know. I didn't think
it was that bad.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
I didn't I think it was particularly anything they're write
home about. I just thought it happened.

Speaker 7 (34:31):
Yeah, you know, yeah, and I guess maybe we've come
to expect more from these two.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
And so yeah, it had a weird had the weird
stip with.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Tom mm hmm, and the Don parton I thought was
the best. I oh my god, I could not believe
he did that.

Speaker 7 (34:49):
I was a little worried about him, because, like, you
could seriously get twisted up and.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
Hurt something real bad.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah. Yeah, well, uh, cage just fine.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
It was fine.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
It was fine. Yes, I love I love that. That
is Tyler's catchphrase for when you know that he is
just trying not to poo poo an entire match. So
Cage Match, I didn't need it. Yeah, agreed. So Cage
Match rates wrestling matches. They also keep stats like how
many times the workers worked another worker, how many times

(35:25):
someone has won a specific match, how many times? Uh,
the actual records. They keep the actual records, and they
rate matches on a ten point rating. This was the
lowest women's match that they've done in the past ten
years with a three point five out of ten.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
The lowest they've done is a three point.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Five out of ten in the past ten years.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah ten years or five years.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Hold on, let me make sure to make sure.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
I have a big ten years the lowest rated women's
match in the past ten years.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
That is why I'll say they've been awfully generous with
some some ratings.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Well maybe they. I think what really brought this down,
as we'll talk about it now, is the ending of
the match was really convoluted WWE. They messed up their
own thing. They had two different portions of their Twitter
interactions that actually stated One stated that Rhea Ripley won

(36:34):
the match by disqualification. The other stated that they even
posted a picture of Live and said and still like
she won the match, like they had it ready to
go like live one. I believe the people that talk
about this wrestling stuff outside of the actual WWE stated
that the finish of the match was supposed to be

(36:57):
Raquel beating up Riha Ripley with the ref seeing and
taking Live and putting her on top of the ref.
Roquel did her job. Apparently she came out too early.
The ref saw it, and to not insult the intelligence
of the fans in attendance because he saw Roquel he
called for the bell. Makes sense. Yeah, it was pretty bad,

(37:23):
but obviously Live portrayed exactly what she was supposed to portray.
And then after with the press conference and everything, she
stated that she won this match. She did also give
us some clues that Roquel Rodriguez is fully healthy, she's
ready to play, as she stated she's ready to play.
She once again stated Ria is bigger than her, Ria

(37:47):
is stronger than her, but she's smarter than Ria. But
she said, you know who's bigger and stronger than Ria,
her best friend, Roquel. So clearly this is going to
be the newest version of the two Dudes with Attitude
or most recently in WWE, this is going to be
a j Lee and Tamina snook up. So hopefully this

(38:11):
will be a little bit better than that. Tamin as
a prose pro AJ is better than everybody not named
Rhea at literally everything. So but I love the fact
that liv is doing her best to pull AJ out
of retirement. So let's let's get that. Let's get that going,
because you know, AJ did respond to her earlier today

(38:36):
and said that, you know, she's very persuasive, So we'll
see what happens there. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, I believe
liv said her dream matches her and Dom versus punkin AJ,
so let's see where that goes. I would prefer to

(38:58):
see her and Finn versus punkin a J because I
think she has Yeah, I think she has a big,
a better relationship with Finn. But I think the dumb
thing is that he's your boyfriend and everything, and that's
the way it's supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Pret trade.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Uh yeah, I I'm giving this. I'm giving this a
two imp and on that side of five, I wasn't
happy with.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
It's probably two and a half. Yeah, yeah, I supposed
to anything special. It happened.

Speaker 7 (39:28):
I wasn't defended by it, but like it was there.
I felt like that for most of the show. Honestly,
it was there. It was entertained.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Like even't saying it the having when I said it's
the worst show of the year, Like it's still above
average compared to what we're I've had for years.

Speaker 8 (39:46):
Like yeah, yeah, you got a fan here in our
chat says talent please, I'm begging you fixed that damn
bit of hair sticking up and stretched me out so much.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
He said, I took a set of blood.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
If only I could. It's it's a bit unruly. It
got wet and then it dried.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, Universal here saying, I like three out of five
matches from Bad Blood. I'm more of the mindset that
I liked four out of five. Living Rhea is the
only match I didn't really enjoy. I liked all the
other matches. I'm curious to know if you want to
tell us here in the chat, Universal, what are the
two matches that you disliked? That would be I'd love that.

(40:38):
We'd love to hear that. Tyler, do you what about you?
Are you a? Are you a five out of five?
Four out five? Three out of five? What do you have?

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Yeah, it's probably it's probably three, honestly three?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Okay. From the Dungeon here, says Rockhil Roger. Guys came
back and not even in shape. I gotta say I
agree with you. Her back is usually massive and she
usually looks like burly and like she's yoked, and she
did not look like she It was kind of like
the shamest thing. But we're not here to shame people.
Like Obviously, Roquel's dealing with a specific ailment. I don't

(41:20):
quite know the name of it, but I know it's
a skin disorder, so maybe it was just hard for
her to work out. I think it was very painful
what she was dealing with. Son' I don't want to
completely jump right off the bat into that, yeah, because
she had like some red blotches and everything all over
her face and stuff. But I'm just happy that she's back. Clearly,
I'm a fan of Roquel. Tyler and I have gone

(41:40):
back and forth about this. You're not the biggest fan
of her. I genuinely enjoy her work. I'm excited to
see your back. I think she is She's an exceptional talent,
and I love her as a heel. I think her
NXT Roquel Gonzalez character was awesome. So if that's the
version we get here, that we're in for a fucking treat,
we're in.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Right, And I agree with that. That's what this was.
One of My main criticisms is she wasn't presented like
that on the main roster, and she wasn't They didn't
give us a chance, like they never got her over
before they put her in the main title picture, and
it was like, Okay, why are we supposed to care
about this?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. They kind of just
threw her in there, and I think they just wanted
to do like, you know, a big girl versus a
big girl, like you know, kind of have like that
Keith Lee versus Samoa Joe, like the meat slap and
meat type of situation, or like the Bronson Reid versus
braun Strowman, and it just didn't really present that well
because we knew that Raquel was never gonna beat Rhea.

(42:44):
This is interesting. A j Lee is overrated. I'm curious,
D what do you believe makes her overrated? Because I
think she's one of the best promos in the history
of professional wrestling, like in terms of like what the
way she presents herself. I think in the ring she
soon we underrated and her character is awesome. I mean
her her she developed her finisher in the middle of

(43:06):
a match. I mean, and she's a Jersey girl, like us,
what the hell is going on here? From the dungeon
you got a rep Jersey, You got a rep Jersey.
I came around to live Morgan, I predicted her to
win this match. I came around to this character berest
work that she's ever done. Oh oh, listen, she's a

(43:30):
Chicago girl because she lives there now, but she grew
up in Union City, New Jersey. Bro, She's from Union City.
She went to the same pathmark that we went to
next to Weehawking. So come on, now, she's she's she's
a Jersey girl. You never say you take the jersey
out of the girl conversation. You're from You're from Canada.

(43:50):
You don't get it. You don't get it. But anyway,
let's jump into the main event of the evening, which
saw the return of the Tribal Chief. Oh you know what,
Before we talk about that, why don't we talk about
Triple H's announcement. It was going rampant on Twitter. Everyone
was losing their minds thinking we were going to get
finally get the announcement for the mid Card Women's Championship

(44:12):
and instead, yeah, instead we were given the main event
of Crown Jewel, which is Gunter as long as he
beats Sammy on Monday Night versus Cody Rhodes and the
winner of those two because their championship matches will not
be on the line, will be the Crown Jewel Champion.
Tyler thoughts on Gunter versus Cody, and thoughts on that

(44:37):
abomination of a championship belt.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
The match itself should be, you know, pretty good. I
got no problem with that match.

Speaker 7 (44:50):
But that matter of fact, thinking back to the Royal rumble,
I'm actually pretty excited.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yes, absolutely, but.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
It kind of does.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, it's weird, right, it does. It looks green?

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yeah, green.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I don't know, I uh, that's just I guess that
the colors for over there. Yes, the NXT Championship looks
way better. Yeah, the NXT Championship title, Oh yeah, can
you believe that? It's the same exact championship, but just
with and that blue makes it beautiful. I think that

(45:33):
blue makes that title look better than the Ken Shamrock
Intercontinental Championship.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Which was the second better than the Classic.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
No, the Classic is number one, the one that Cody
brought back with the old the One Ultimate Warrior kept
changing the color straps. That's the best Intercontinental championship we've
ever got. I don't know why we got that, Yes,
I don't know why we got that championship. And then
they took it away from us. Didn't raise Ramone have
a purple strap?

Speaker 4 (46:05):
He may have? Yea, he may have at one point
Or was that Warrior.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Warrior had Sean had the Sean had the white one?

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Hunter had the black one?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yes? Or Hunter Stone Cold the Rock? They all had
the black one.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Did Merrow have the black one or did he have
the white one? Hunter Merrill for the.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Title, Mark Merrow had the black one. Yeah, Mark Merrow
had the black one. Yeah, I believe the white one.
I believe Cody brought back the white one.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
The big Mark Merrell fan at that time.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Oh dude, which version wild Man or the box wild Man?

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (46:42):
Okay, Marvel, Like when I watch it now, like I
feel like that was such a good character.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
I don't know why they didn't get more over, I
don't know. I wish I knew more about Mark Merrill
because he was special, man. I don't know why he
just didn't move off dude, Yeah, yeah, uh yeah, yeah.
I mean personally, I think that they kind of fumbled
a little bit. I don't want to be too Markie here,
but having a mid card title for the women, uh,

(47:11):
if you're not going to have that on the main roster,
then bring Kalanie Jordan to the main roster and have
that North American Championship for the women be the mid
card title for all three television shows. Yeah. Yeah, because
I did.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
That's why I thought it was going to be as well.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah or whatever. Yeah, that would have been awesome. And
I would have loved to have seen who they would
have booked to be the first mid card, like Icy Champ.
I feel like that would have been I know, I
don't know if you're a big fan of Herst, but
I think Bailey would have been perfect for that because
Bailey is like a true historian for like the business,
and she loves the business and you could tell by

(47:51):
the way she talks about it, like she knows what
the significance of the inter Continental Championship.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Yeah, she would be. She would be perfect like a
to me, she's sort of like becoming that you know,
you can throw her in any spot and.

Speaker 7 (48:12):
She's not gonna She's like a She's like a backup
quarterback that you can throw in there and she's not
gonna lose.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
You the game. She's absolutely not gonna do that. She
is really really good. She carried a lot of Yeah, yeah,
I mean Flacco got really close to coming back and
win of that game.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Understand what a compliment that is coming from me?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (48:31):
Yeah, I have some sort of weird platonic love affair
with Joe Flacco.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
That's cool. I love it. I mean, he's played really
well so far dating back to last.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Recond It's wrestling related.

Speaker 7 (48:41):
So I got to tell you this, and okay, listeners,
I bet his over one and a half TDS today. Okay,
as I hit said, I said, I say, I believe
in Joe Flacco.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I love it. I love it. Had to give you
the clap I turned around right now, but yeah, it
just wouldn't work. Yes, So yeah, So why don't we
jump right into the main event of the evening, which
was the Bloodline Jacob fought two and the third main
event since WrestleMania for solo on a premium live event,

(49:19):
versus the Tribal Chief the otc Roman Reigns and the
American Nightmare the WWE Undisputed Champion Cody Rhodes Tyler. Before
we start breaking down this match and actually talk about
the finish and all that, what did you think of

(49:43):
the pairings, What did you think of the match, How
did you feel about it in its entirety here.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
So I don't hate the pairings. I think it's interesting, Okay.
I always think it's kind of interesting when they do
something like that, Like they've done things.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
Like like team up scene and HBK against like the
tag Champs or whatever, and it's always an interesting dichotomy. Okay,
I was I've already said basically that I was.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Annoyed that this was the main event.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
I think anytime you do home so it has that
should be the main event.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Sorry, agreed, Sorry, not sorry, I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
The presentation was obviously very uh what's the word over
the top? Okay, but I mean not in a bad way.
Just there was a lot of pomp and circumstance and.

Speaker 8 (51:00):
Uh, there was a lot.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Yeah, I mean personally, when I watched this match, I
love the way Roman was taken out of it. I
love the camera angle of having Roman Reigns kind of
dropped at the perfect time that Cody's gonna tag him
and it looks like he jumped down and screwed Cody.
I love that without us knowing that it was Yeah,

(51:25):
that was really really good. I love that we got
a little bit of a tease of Roman rains as Jacob,
but still kind of have Jacob kind of got that
one up on Roman because then it keeps that special
for later. Roman's facial expressions as he was like looking
at Solo and Jacob and kind of telling them like,
this is still my yard without actually saying because he's

(51:48):
not the big dog anymore. But I really enjoyed this match.
I thought it was brilliant. Obviously, Solo feels out of
place during this, but the crowd was relentless. I mean,
I don't remember the last time we got a you
can't wrestle chant to a professional wrestler in either company.

(52:09):
That crowd yesterday was relentless. They were not I don't
know what kind of heat. I know that there is
a specific They talked about it on the Vincic Mann special,
which we will jump back into part two and talking
about episodes four, five, and six on Tuesday night, guys
at eight thirty. If you want to jump on and

(52:30):
watch that with us, it'll be me, Patty Reekan, Fernando
and the talent going over the last three episodes of
the mcmahondoc, but jumping back into this. In that special,
they actually tell us they tell us that there is
a such thing as too much heat, and we did
get I felt like too much heat for Solo. I

(52:51):
don't know what he did to the ww universe for
them to chant you can't wrestle. But I haven't heard
something like that in a very long time.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
That wasn't what I thought they were chanting.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
What did you think they were chanting?

Speaker 7 (53:07):
I thought they were chanting something naughty. That's why I
was surprised that it was getting muted.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah. No, they were chanting you can't wrestle.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Yeah, I thought they were chanting fuck you Solo.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Oh they chanted that as well, That's what I'm saying.
They chanted multiple things like he has he's he's probably
the most hated man in WWE right now right now
as well.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
I thought that was because he came in, like Rowan
was there. He came in the ring, Rowan got in
and then he got.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Out and they Yeah, I mean there is normal in
ring heat, but I I would definitely yes, my guy. Uh,
mister Universal, we went over some of your questions. You
never answered us. We actually asked you what were your
two matches that you disliked out of the five?

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yes, we did answer some of your questions. Sorry about that, guys,
trying our best. We did have the full screen on,
but now we are back to normal here and we're
able to see all of your stuff. So just yeah,
send us your questions and we'll definitely pop them up
on the screen and talk about them. We appreciate the engagement. Yes,
So for me, I didn't think Solo deserves some of

(54:19):
the hate he got. I'm not particularly a fan of Solo.
I know my son is a big fan of Solo,
he loves them. I'm not a fan of his. I
don't think he's anything like Umaga. I know he's portrayed
that way. I don't think he is. For me, He's
like Scrappy Doo in the Scooby Gang, where like he's
got a big bark, but he doesn't have a big bite.

(54:41):
I never really bought him as that. I always loved
the jay Uso as the enforcer of the group. I
think Juso is presented. Yeah, I mean, obviously we're talking
about obviously we're talking about that stuff, but we're talking

(55:02):
about professional wrestling. For me, I just he I never
really bought it. Roman looked phenomenal him and Cody actually
they pulled off this teamwork really really well. Obviously, we
see Jacob and Cody with a massive spot as Cody
gives that point to Roman saying I'm doing this for you,

(55:23):
takes out Jacob. Jacob still looks like a monster comes
into the ring and you know, him and Solo beat
the crap out of Roman. And just when you think
as Solo is tearing him down, as he's tearing him down,
we see the return of jay Uso and he super

(55:44):
kicks both the Gorilla's Destiny and Roman spears Solo for
the one two three. Now we see a great celebration
between Roman Jimmy as they hug, they embrace, and you know,
the crowd went absolutely bananas for it. Uh Tyler, what

(56:07):
did you think of this return? And then after that
we'll answer Universal's question here because he has the priest
and Live matches his two least favorite matches, so we
I definitely agree with one of those, but not the
other one.

Speaker 7 (56:19):
Right, I Yeah, it was uh, it was cool to
see Jimmy come back and uh get this thing started.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Along the road to uh work, I'd say probably war games.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Yeah, absolutely, I thought the match was it was okay, Uh.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Wow, it was what it was. I didn't think it
was anything special.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Wow, oh wow, A lot a lot of things to
say that.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
I mean, I'm not a fan of two of the
guys like at all.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
And yeah, well I thought Roman, I mean I thought
Roman looked spectacular. He obviously was the class of the match,
with Jacob being a close second. Roman being probably the
best wrestler walking the planet today, just in all, all

(57:26):
inclusive of like everything what a professional wrestler is supposed
to be right now, he is clearly to me the
best version of what a professional wrestler is supposed to
be if you include entertainment, and you include storytelling, and
you include the in ring ability. Roman is just He's
just awesome. I genuinely feel that way. I thought Jacob

(57:50):
is He's the future. I love that he's thirty two
years old, so by the time he gets to be
Cody and Roman's age, he's probably going to be a
multiple time world champion, just multiple. Yeah. So I love it.
I love his story. I love how he is just
absolutely like how he was in prison and then he

(58:11):
saw the USOS in prison and then decided this is
what I want to be with my life. And then
was able to just have a complete turnaround and make
this into his special career. There was a moment yesterday
when I got a little weepy eyed where he was
turned towards the fans and he was looking at a
jam packed arena, and the only thing in my mind was, Dude,

(58:34):
this guy was in prison a couple of years ago
and he told himself in prison, like, I'm gonna be
a professional wrestler. I'm gonna go work for this big
ass company. And now he's probably everybody's favorite non main
eventter right now, Like I think every like his shirt
is a sellout whenever it's at a live event. People

(58:54):
buy that shit like the Samoan Werewolf is. He has
become a lot of people's favorite. He looks great. It
reminds me a lot of the Shield Roman Reigns because
people loved that before CM Punk's podcast. People love that
Roman and that's what this reminds me of. So I
think that they're going to slow roll this because Triple
H is all about slow rolling it. I love it. Uh, Tyler,

(59:16):
what part of Canada you're from? You want to say
that name because I always get from Brunswick, New Brunswick
and where where and where's that next to?

Speaker 4 (59:28):
So it is a province that borders Maine.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Uh right, lobster.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
You've ever heard of Halifax, which a lot of people
have down here. It's we're right next to the province
that that's in. We're about three hours from there. Okay,
cool on eight hours from Boston.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Okay, well fuck Boston. But yeah, so yeah, yep. So,
after Roman and Jimmy are celebrating and they're walking up
the ramp, the Bloodline jumps Cody and Jimmy reminds Roman,
you gave him your word, but you're my otc I'm
gonna do what you do. Roman kind of gives a

(01:00:10):
look around and they go back. They take out the Bloodline.
He picks up the belt and he very respectfully gives
the belt back to Cody, like, you know, acknowledging that
Cody is the champ. I love that. I love the
fact that Roman did that. He didn't bury Cody, he
didn't make Cody look bad. He just gives him the
belt out of just a sign of respect, like here
you go. Uh. And then right as Cody lifts the

(01:00:35):
belt and they're gonna have their classic stare down, Uh,
we have the Rocks music hit in the Maritimes? What's that, Tyler?

Speaker 9 (01:00:50):
Yes, oh okay, there's New Brunswick, Nova, Scotia and in
Sedrhode Island are considered the maritime provinces.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
I love it. I love it. Let's get some people
from all over the world. Let's get them into here. Man,
let's get some Canadians following. We got the Canadian reacing connection.
I love it. I love it. I love it. That's great, man,
I'm sperious.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Is this someone?

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Is this someone I know? Oh that's a great that's
a great question.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
I mean, with this funky ass hair that I can't control.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah, I mean I would.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
I don't think it off for me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
No, no, no, no no. It looks good. It looks good.
You look like Alfalfa from the Little Rascals. So the
rock comes back. Oh all right, Terry Taylor is pretty
popular with the boys except for Seth Rowins. So uh yeah,
we have Oh my god, it's fucking jerk. I'll post
that in one minute. Just give me a second, Deece,

(01:01:49):
I could get through the rest of this paper view.
So then the Rock comes out, and there are some
people speculating that his three count could be two different things.
As he looks at Cody before he kind of gives
the you know, the throat slashing. It could be either
a remembering Cody, reminding Cody that he beat him one

(01:02:12):
two three in the middle of the ring, or it
can be that this is the third and final time
that Cody has disrespected the Final Boss, one being stealing
his main event, two being taking the title from his family,
and three being having his family member betray the tribe. Tyler,

(01:02:36):
if either of those are correct, how do you feel
about the Final Boss coming back and immediately going after Cody.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Rhodes who stole whose event?

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
And Cody stole the Rocks main event?

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
The Rock trying to steal Cody's main event?

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Yeah, we disagree on that because yeah, I don't know
the run. It's just how it works. Sorry, Yeah, it
doesn't matter what happens. Okay, Uh here we go, Baptist Bulldog.
Yet he did beat him one two three, absolutely correct. Uh,

(01:03:14):
this this whole Cody nonsense, It's all Tony Console.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Money.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
This is all Tony con'swall. Because, uh, Cody should be
in the company that he created. He should be over there.
He should have been elaborate I just did. Are you
paying attention there? He I'm sorry, I.

Speaker 7 (01:03:35):
Was too busy, too busy comparing you to Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Yeah, yeah, listen listen, Cody created a e W him
and the Bucks and Kenny Omega and Tony kan they
all did it together. He should be over there. He
shouldn't even be bothering it. Roman Reigns is right. He's
in his way in life. He's just in his way
in life. He shouldn't even be in WW.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
He should be over.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
There in Jacksonville, like he should be the face of
that company. He should be helping that company. But you know,
getting back to this, here we go, this jerk off here.
Does Universal think Brett screwed himself in Montreal? My lord, Universal,
you're gonna have to answer.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
You know, I was.

Speaker 7 (01:04:14):
I was in Montreal recently in the airport, and they
actually have a statue. But it's like it's it's like
animatronic and it's Brett Hard he's in the Sharpshooter Shawn Michaels'.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Oh listen, yeah, listen, Universal, you can confirm or deny
that that's definitely not true. Uh, don't mean to pull
a Chandler bing voice out of there, but that's definitely
not true. Uh before, I mean, prove it. Oh, I

(01:04:47):
like this, what's going on here? We got people in
the chat talking with each other. I'm sure these storylines
will go on forever. How however, it's ten On and
why he's at one roads in w w E history.
Love it, love it. I think that's beautiful. Uh so yeah,
oh my god, he's just been up the belt. We're

(01:05:08):
not gonna have another conversation about Brett, but don't worry.
November is coming around and we will have an annual
Montreal screw Job show. So just less than a month away, guys,
and it'll be.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Talking about Brett Hart just done his job.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
I disagree. Last last year, I'm up one nothing. Last year,
I completely guys, go back and watch in the archives. Uh,
I dog walked Tyler last year.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
He even.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Yeah, he even called me after the show and he's like,
I didn't feel like I was able to get across
what I wanted to come across. And I was like, well,
I guess you're gonna have to wait till next year.
So we'll definitely go out of it and forget things though.
I need absolutely Brett in my eyes Brett has always
been about vinsick Man, and these past couple of years

(01:06:02):
has kind of been proven to be correct. But yeah,
jumping back into this, overall, I thought this show was
a four, a four and a half out of five
bana us. I really loved it to live and re
a botch at the end. I actually think about this.
I didn't like the match, but the ending of the
match and how convoluted it was, I feel like it
just brings it down so much for me, but not

(01:06:24):
enough to drop it under a four. So I would
say a four out of four and a half out
of five. Mpanatus, What about you, Tyler? What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
I'm I gona have a three and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Oh my lord, do we have differences of opinion?

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
I mean that's still like seventy percent, Like that's good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Wow, Okay, okay, I mean from the Dungeon.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
Like up until about a year ago, from.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
The Dungeons, like the Punk and Dream match was the
only word worthwhile match. I don't know. I would say
that before we end, before we end our bad Blood conversation,
before we jump into the Triple H comments at the
end of the show. I feel like, what really brought
it up for me, was Gunter and Goldberg. I loved it.

(01:07:15):
I thought that interaction was perfection. I wanted to save
that for the end of our Bad Blood topic because
my Lord Gunter, the way he trolls these old guys,
this is like legend killer Randy Orton type stuff, like
as he just trolls Goldberg and reminds Goldberg like obviously

(01:07:37):
I was messing with Brett Hart and he just oh,
I love this. I love this. Guys in the check
give us your grades on this ple universal here gave
us a B minus. I love that. I love that.
It's good. Guys. Let us know what your grade is.
You're at A five out of ten. You know your

(01:07:58):
grade A through F. Whatever you think. Just let us
know what you think is the best Tyler. My favorite
thing that Gunter said to Goldberg when Goldberg took off
his hat and he attacked was he said, come here,
come here, Goldberg, I got three minutes for you. Just
oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
That had to be the best comment I've heard in
such a long time. The fact that he acknowledged in
front of all those people that go most of Goldberg's
matches are three minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Just Gunter has been just a brilliant champion. Whether it's intercontinental,
whether it's nxt UK Chimp, or whether it's the World
heavyweight champ. He has been perfection whenever, just in its entirety.
He's so good at what he does. I love it,
just absolutely love it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Everything a champion should be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Yeah, but we do have to we do have to
acknowledge that only one wrestler has ever squashed Bill Goldberg,
and that was Braun Strowman. Goldberg rarely loses two people
in a squash, so I mean, obviously Braun is the
only guy who gets that squash.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
But yeah, so did he I don't, I don't remember
that much. Did he beat him without taking any damage?

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
I mean he pretty much dominated him. Yeah, if you
go back it was the COVID WrestleMania, he just dominated him.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
He took the Universal Championship.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
This is a great question, Tyler, do.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Yeah, agreed, agreed. I don't think the Bloodline is like
the nWo. I don't because, oh no, because it's pretty
selective with who can join it. Yeah, it's selective, and
the main figurehead of the company is not in the
group itself. So I don't think it's nish. I don't

(01:09:56):
think it's like the corporate ministry. I don't think it's
like the corporation or the authority, because we had like
that the people that were in the front office kind
of they were a part of those groups. And obviously
with the nWo, we found out years later that Bischoff
was pulling all of the strings on camera, on camera,
not just that he was writing this stuff behind the scenes,

(01:10:17):
but on camera. Eric Bischoff is revealed to be the
brains of the nWo later on, which I actually wonder
if that was kind of Yeah, so I do wonder
if that's actually when some of it started to go downhill,
because that's when he became a little obsessive about vincick Mann.
But we'll talk about that LS late ninety six, Yeah,

(01:10:41):
that's late ninety six. He does say that ninety eight
was actually the worst. Yeah, he says ninety six was
the worst, uh, storytelling, but that was their most marketable
year ninety eight.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Ninety eight, Yeah, ninety eight because it was based on
they sold tickets and stuff based on what they did
the year before.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Or yeah, golden yeah, agreed, agreed. So yeah, now that
we've kind of dissected the whole show, and we kind
of already went over the live segment because it kind
of you kind of had to talk about it during
her match as well because of how everything happened at
the end, and it's been acknowledged by WWE in two
different facets. Uh, let's talk about the fact that Triple

(01:11:24):
H needs to hire himself somebody like a PR person,
and he needs to maybe not answer questions the way
he answers. And I would go as far as saying
that when he was asked about the vinc wick Mann stuff,
his comment was no comment, and as you pointed out
before we started the show, that pissed a lot of
people off because they felt like, you're the head of

(01:11:46):
this company, you're the head of creative, you should give
an opinion. Whether he was told to say no comments
or not, and he did his job because that's what
he was told by TKO. I think saying no comment
yesterday would have been fitted him a lot more than
saying that he doesn't see color and that he doesn't

(01:12:07):
see gender and that he only sees talent, because I
think that is something that media is going to pick up.
There's other there's gonna be other people that like chime in,
because now it's been kind of talk like it's talked
about on ESPN, and it's talked about on like you know,

(01:12:27):
other podcasts, like now we have the Osha Jackson podcast,
and now like it's gonna be talked about on Eric
Bischoff's podcast. Like now, there's just too many forms to
be able to talk about something like this, And this
is too important a subject that I don't think it'll
be left alone and I think this is only gonna
get worse. So, Tyler, what how do you feel about it?

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
So I think if we're talking about teuble agent, I
think what he there was an old time promoter and
I don't remember who it was, and the constant was
to have a person of color as one of his
main babyfaces, and it was someone in the South. And

(01:13:11):
they asked him and they're like, why why do you
do this? Aren't you, you know, prejudice?

Speaker 7 (01:13:15):
And he said, the only color I care about is
green mm hmm. And I think that's essentially what yourvil
is trying to say. In this day and age, you
can't obviously, you can't say that, And I mean, I

(01:13:35):
get that he wanted to respond to like, I didn't
hear the question. Was the question was it framed as like,
what do you have to say about this?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
What do you have to say about the fact that, yes,
what do you have to say about the column that
was released that WWE has not put over a person
of color on a premium live event in the past
seven hundred some days? And do you feel like you
will start to be more inclusive? And he immediately said,
I don't view color, I don't view gender. I view talent.

(01:14:11):
And that's how I look at the people, like if
you're the best for this role, that's where you'll be.
And I think people took that the wrong way, right.
I think he believes that. Yes, I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
That very well framed, not very well said.

Speaker 10 (01:14:31):
Yeah, I guess there's no I guess there's no good
way to say it though either.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Yeah, no, I agree with you. I think for me,
the biggest issue that I see is an acknowledgement of
maybe an overlooking like maybe just being like wow, like
I was just booking stories. These stories are written so
far in advance, like we have all these things built up,
you know, you didn't realize it. I think what's becoming

(01:14:58):
more apparent is that they're there are certain wrestlers that
in the previous regime were put over better. And I
don't want to give credit to the previous regime, but
like when you look at a Bianca belair, she was
presented as the top female star in the entire company,
with her entrances and her long title reigns and her

(01:15:18):
status on the card, and now she's relegated to essentially
being assistant to the regional manager. Because that's what those
championships are. If you're gonna come on here and you're
gonna lie, or if you're gonna come on on the internet,
you're gonna lie and say that the Women's Tag Team
Championships are just this prestigious award, it's not the truth

(01:15:39):
because they are presented as like the afterthought. And now
we have two stars in Jade and Bianca that are Yeah,
they're holding those championships, but they're not given the spotlight
that they should have been.

Speaker 7 (01:15:54):
Right, So you can say the titles aren't presented that way,
but you can't say that Jade and Bianca aren't presented
like stars, because.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
They definitely are, especially Jade. Jade is definitely presented and
worth it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
She had to make sure that listen.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
I saw I saw some idiot on Twitter say that
they fumbled the bag with Jade, and I thought she
has been with the company for less than a year.
She's already had a WrestleMania match, She's already had a
Royal Rumble moment, she's already a two time champion, and
she's been given tons of opportunity, and she's worked some

(01:16:31):
of the best talent in the world, like EO Sky
is a probably in the top five in the entire
world in terms of like female talent, and she's working
her regularly. Now we know for a fact that it's
going to be damage Control versus Bianca and Jade, Like
that's a phenomenal feud. I'm not sitting here defending that stuff,

(01:16:52):
but I am going to say that the previous regime
they booked Bobby Lashley really well. And why is Bobby
Lashley work looking for the other team? Like he shouldn't
be over there. This is his company. He was presented
as a monster. He beat Drew McIntyre at WrestleMania to
retain his championship. Bobby Lashley could be as to use

(01:17:14):
m VP's words, these are not my words. To use
m VP's words, he could be presented as the black
Brock Lesner and he could have been You know, that
doesn't mean you need to win, Tyler. You say it
all the time about Lesner. He's perfect when he's not
in the championship. He's a spectacle. He's like a special attraction,
you know. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
But I think thing was, why why is Bobby Lashling
out there?

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Yeah? I don't know. It makes it more.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
Money to go through the other to the other channel.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
I don't even know if they offered him money yet.
I think he was just flat out released and then
I think Tony threw him some money.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
He wasn't his contract expired.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Agreed. But this isn't Alex Luger situation. I'm sure that
they didn't offer him a big some with the company,
and Tony's like, Tony probably sees what I what I see.
I think he's fucking brilliant. I think Bobby Lashley is amazing.
He's just got Ever since Bobby Lashley was the boss
in TNA, he has been a completely different wrestler. Now, yes,

(01:18:17):
he came back in his little his little feud with
Balor and the Demon was weird with him slapping his
ass and yeah, that was all weird shit. But after that,
he was presented as a absolute monster, a massive star.
He's great. I am hoping praying that Trick Williams is

(01:18:38):
treated with just like you said, with kid gloves. Keep
him in a NXT till he's fully ready. Bring him
up because that man is going to be over. We
saw it. He was presented on SmackDown once and the
entire arena lost its mind with the whoop that trick shit.
That is going to be massive. And I don't know
if you're watching an XT I want. I don't miss

(01:18:58):
an NXT show. I watch it every single time I can.
I watch it on TikTok when somebody's streaming it. I
do not miss NXT. It is an awesome show right now.
But I gotta tell you, when I watch the show,
Oba Fame is an absolute rock star. When I watch

(01:19:19):
Oba Fam, I think to myself, this dude is going
to be everything we've always wanted in more. He is
a great promo. He is perfect as a promo, and
I gotta tell you, he reminds me a lot. And
I don't know if there's a lot of MMA fans
here but he reminds me a lot of Alex Pereira,
Like he is presented as a guy who maybe you

(01:19:41):
don't think he should be the top guy, but he's
gonna dominate you. And that's exactly how he is. He's
presented so well. I love it. I'm hoping this is
just a prediction. I haven't read a rumor or anything here.
I'm hoping that he drops the North American championship to Glio.
I think that it's the perfect person to finally beat

(01:20:01):
him for that championship. And then Oba moves up as
the Royal Rumble has his moment and then he you know,
debuts the night after the Royal Rumble. That's just my prediction.
That's just what I want to see.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Yeah, and the next to you.

Speaker 7 (01:20:13):
Also, you've got guys like Wes Lee, who held the
North American title for.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
How long? Almost a year?

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Uh yeah, it's been pretty close. It's two hundred and
forty five days so far. That's what it was in
UNCED today. Oh okay, here we go, Universal, Who are you?
My god? You have some great, great information here. I
love this war games thing. That's why don't we end
our topic there? And we can pick that up on
Tuesday when Patty and Uribay are with us, so we

(01:20:45):
can talk about that triple h comment. I'm sure Uribay
has shit to say about it, but yeah, the new
blood Lines so Solo Tamatangatangoloa, Jacob Fatu, Hika Leo with
the Rock versus Roman and Jimmy, j Cody and Randy Oh.
I love that. I love that. That is a really

(01:21:07):
cool thing. If I can, if I can just kind
of steal Patty's thing here, I loved a friend of
the show, Patty Reekan. He actually had a really good
take on this bloodline, which was instead of having bloodline
versus Bloodline, it's bloodline versus Paul Hayman guys, which would

(01:21:29):
have Roman, Jimmy, j Lesnar and CM Punk.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
I think a point now where that's not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
No, I agree, I agree, But if it's Roman Jimmy,
j Punk, I think it could work really well. I
mean Punk, but that's if Punk doesn't work. Gunter at
Survivor series. Uh yeah, I love this universal. I love
if this is exactly what we get, I think it'll
be great. I think we're at the point where we're

(01:21:59):
going to get multiple pay per views of Kevin Owens
versus Cody Rhodes because as the show ended, completely ended,
after the press conferences and everything, Kevin Owens officially turned
heel by jumping, well not really jumping, but he beat
the crap out of Cody Rhods. After the show, I

(01:22:21):
uh loved it. I loved it. I thought it was great.
It was right by his tour bus. He beat him up,
he stomped his head in while he was on the ground.
I mean it was awesome. Just a great acknowledgement by
Triple H today saying that they realized what happened. They
acknowledged what happened, and it will be dealt with on
Monday at RAW. So that's gonna be interesting. A reminder, guys,

(01:22:44):
Raw is only two hours, so remember, yes, they're going
to be packing it full. So reminder, and as Triple
H said, like, they are going to have to give
us better stories if they're going to keep us tuned in.
We are not getting a three hour raw back. We
are getting a three hour SmackDown. When SmackDown, you know,

(01:23:07):
when when Netflix officially acquires Monday Night Raw, we will
be getting a three hour SmackDown but for right now,
we are getting two hours of Monday Night Raw.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
So when we're when raugos to Netflix, it's going to
stay at two hours.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Oh Heiklio is supposed to debut at Wargames. Okay, I
did not know that. I thought he was debuting in NXT.
So yeah, that's a great call if that, If that's true,
that's a great prediction.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Did he say that when ragos to Netflix it's going
to stay at two hours? Did I break you? No?

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
I can hear you clearly. I heard you say did
you break me? And no, you're not Evan Drago, So yes,
So what I was going to say is he just
acknowledge that he's going to have to have better stories
for uh, he's going to have that better stories from
Monday Night Row.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
But so so, but the question is when when they
goes to Netflix is it two or three hours?

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Ooh okay, so I should have posted your first comment.
It says Owens and Cody's supposed to happen on SmackDown
to boost SmackDown's all time low TV ratings. Interesting, and
then it says, WWE right now has an all time
record low TV ratings. I mean it's still over a million,
So I mean, I think I think USA is happy

(01:24:41):
with what they're getting. I think Fox wanted more out
of the relationship, which is why they're no longer on Fox.
But god, Roman Rings just looks spectacular rewatching the main
event right now, and he just looks better than everybody
else in the ring. He just looks like a superstar.
And then there's Solo who's there, and then Fo looks
just like a complete like I like you said about

(01:25:04):
the alleyway, and then you know there's the guy.

Speaker 6 (01:25:13):
You know, that guy, Yeah, that guy, Yeah, that guy,
you know, just the guy who just doesn't even Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
So here's the.

Speaker 7 (01:25:24):
Thing, whatever, I really like a wrestler macho just decides
they're the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Well, it's not so much that this is.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
The fourth time that he's done it now, So I
think we can all notice the pattern with the Finn balor,
with Live with will Ospray and now with Cody.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
Oh, there isn't a single wrestler on this planet that
I can possibly say I dislike more than Will Ospray.
He might be my least favorite wrestler in the world
that is complete. I love Code compared to will Osprey,
Cody Rhodes is he's my He's the sting of my generation.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
I mean, if you don't like, you know, chocolate ice
cream with sprinkles, then that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
You don't have will Osprey is not chocolate ice cream
with sprinkles.

Speaker 7 (01:26:14):
The wrestling fan population thinks he's chocolate ice cream with
let's pretty Oh okay, yes, yes, So can I just
close the contents of the message that you love me?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Shane McMahon is better
than will Ospray.

Speaker 7 (01:26:31):
Yes, so he gives me a three minute message talking
about how Shane McMahon won a tournament that made himself
the best in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:26:41):
So that's why he's better than will Osprey. And will
Osprey is the flavor of the month kind of like
hot honey, and yeah that I respond. He's been the
flavor of the month for like eight years.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
So well, I don't think that's true because he never
goes viral. Like the last thing he went viral for
was his first match with Ricochet.

Speaker 7 (01:27:03):
Okay, but they've been he's been being talked about as
one of the best since that match.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
I love that twenty sixteen. Yeah, yeah, and they tried
to replicate it, and they gave us that bad of
a match that we had on the Dad. Yeah. I
don't know what that means, but I.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
Don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
It was trash. It was trash.

Speaker 4 (01:27:26):
One thing I will One thing I will say is
to answer two of your criticisms of Osprey. Okay, he
both sold during that match, and there were times where
he you know, let the moment breathe Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
When I watched that match, I thought to myself, is
this what is this what everybody wanted? This was special?

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
I didn't like it either.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Yeah, it was not.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
I thought they were trying too hard.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
To replicate the original.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
Maybe that's what it was. I've never seen the original.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
To be honest. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I
think Ricochet's levels above that. Man. I I just again,
I mean the only thing negative about Ricochet is that
he called himself the Kobe Bryant of professional wrestling. Like
he did that in a sit down interview with Will

(01:28:25):
and Renee, Like I'm i Kobe Bryant this shit, and
I'm thinking, like, bro, no, don't do that, Like why
would you say that? The most ridiculous thing has been
said just now? And that's what he did. Personally, I
watched that match hoping that I would be wrong, maybe

(01:28:46):
Ricochet would bring out something will Osprey that I would enjoy.
I don't I can name about Uh what ending are
you speaking of? Universal, I'd love to know. H probably
the two endings of that match. Okay, blame Tony, not
the wrestlers, Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:29:06):
Because they.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Yeah, yeah, and then they did the well yeah, but
Takesha is going to add something to the match. That
guy's pretty special. I agree, I agree, he's he's he's
gonna have to carry those two though, Like I mean,
Ricochet's really good.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
So you didn't You didn't tell me that Brian and
Osprey is one of the best matches you've ever seen.
It was because we saw.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
We did. We did. Brian Danielson, he he could work
a broom. We saw a special match at a Kenny
Omega and a blow up doll. We saw a special
match at to Kenny Omega an eleven year old girl. Like,
people can have good matches with inferior talent. That's that's
a normal thing.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Will Ospray is just he's just that, he's not exciting.
Name one thing will Ospray has done in his entire
career that is as cool or that is as memorable
as Shane McMahon fly flight, elbow off the hell in
the cell.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Oh okay, you know what, I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Take it back. I'm sorry. I want to apologize to
the people that are in.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
The You froze for a second. So I'm gonna take
this opportunity to speak. Are you or are you not
the one who is all about I want safe work,
I want safe moves, save.

Speaker 6 (01:30:40):
This and save that.

Speaker 7 (01:30:43):
Uh, I'm here yesterday, but yet you're you're you're advocating
for Shane McMahon just jumping off a ship.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Did you not see the like there was a blow
up thing under there? Okay, I said, I take it back.
I apologize, I said, but that's that's probably where I froze.
So I'll say everything I said. I apologize. I take
it back because I knew how you were gonna come
at me. So I'll say it this way. Name one
moment and we'll ask for his life. Name one match

(01:31:16):
that is as good as Shane McMahon versus Kurt Angle
at the King of the Ring.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
Okay, ill name at least two. No, you won't both
matches with Kenny the match with Brian that's three.

Speaker 7 (01:31:38):
Uh, the match with Tequeshta, You're absolutely ridiculous. Maybe not
the match with tequesha but the other three absolute hogwash?

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Is that? Is that the proper word to say. Let no,
I'm not gonna say. I'm not gonna say I'm just
ship that. Kurt Angle and Shane McMahon King of the
Ring match is one of the most spectacular matches ever.
Shane McMahon at that point was at the peak of
his powers. He was I'm not saying one of the
greatest wrestlers ever, but I'm definitely not saying that about
will Osprey. He's not even top hundred all time. And

(01:32:16):
like I would just say that when I look at
what you know Will Osprey does, there's.

Speaker 7 (01:32:29):
As it's a perfect time for him to freeze because
it's just talking shit.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Out his ass. You know what is happening? Okay? And
I said, I watched it, Yeah, I watched it better
out of Yoshihiro Ta, jury and super Crazy. I watched
it better out of Ray Missterial and psychosis. I watched
it better out of Hoven Too, Guerrera and Billy Kidman.

(01:32:56):
I watched it better all right out of Ultimo Dragon
versus William Regal. Like these people that I just mentioned
all had better, more innovative matches than will Osprey's ever
given us. He's just not that good. He's not what
I feel like he is.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
Why then? What? Why then do like Tolf of the
parrestling community call him the best.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
In the world? Who who does that?

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Twitter? Twitter?

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
Okay, that's that's where, that's your go to for everything else?
So why doesn't account here? It's just getting worse.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Yeah, I don't know what's happening. My Internet's being weird.
It's like your fascination with Cody Rhodes, Like, Oh, everybody
loves Cody, he's the best. And then it's like, oh,
every time a wrestler has asked an interviewed that doesn't
work for WWE with their dream matches and they say
Roman Rings.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
Why what wrestler who said that? Why?

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Kenny Omega I would love to work Roman Rings? Why
would he want to work Cody Roads? He worked them
in Japan and he worked circles he already has, yeah,
because he works circles around him.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
So yeah, someone who hasn't worked He's not gonna name
someone who's already worked with like that'.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Oh you like you likesus George Cassidy. Yeah, Orange Cassidy
really does carry he really did carry him. Orange Cassidy
is phenomenal. I'm not going to say anything negative. Was amazing.
Dean Malnko versus Raymasterial one hundred percent, just brilliant, brilliant matches.
How about de Malinko versus Chris Jericho? Those those early

(01:34:49):
Jericho was like, come on, man, man like those those
matches were phenomenal. Will versus Omega Forbidden Door, which which
one one.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Universal. I don't know who you are, but I can
hug you right now. That's if it's not, If it's not,
if it's not Brett versus Austin from Mania thirteen, it's
that match since possibly my favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Oh my god, that is the most ridiculous thing I've
ever heard, ridiculous thing I ever heard. Brian Danielson versus
Triple H the opening match of Wrestlemedia thirty is better than.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
Oh my god, it's the most over. No, no, no,
it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Brian Danielson versus Kenny bru I didn't say that. It
wasn't even mentioning that I'm talking about matches that everybody loves,
not matches that just macho loves. All right, I'm so.

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
I know you're going to say, because it was on
the same card.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
No, no, no about it. No, no, Brian versus Ocada
three was the best of the of those. Yeah, it
was the best of the three.

Speaker 4 (01:35:59):
One that I could not make myself stay away for.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Well, that's just because you hate Brian.

Speaker 7 (01:36:04):
They stalled, They stalled for twenty minutes to get o'cata's
title out.

Speaker 4 (01:36:08):
Of the way.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
No, they stalled. They had a phenomenal match. That match
was awesome. That match was great.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
So slow.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Oh, I'm sorry. You only like guys.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
It's like wrestling Randy Orton.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
I mean, Brian says, Randy Orton might be special referee,
not a hugger, but hands he said, he's not a hugger,
but handshakes.

Speaker 4 (01:36:34):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'll give you a little little fistbump. Then, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
I think I think in terms of wrestlers, I would
I would say it this way. Brian Danielson Okata, Uh,
Kenny O. That's kind of hashy hanging at him page
Swerve Strickland, Yeah, it's hashy. Uh swerve Strickland, I would
say from from new Yeah, absolutely, you don't think ton

(01:37:02):
Ashi is a good wrestler, not anymore. Oh okay, okay,
I think he's more washing than Jericho. Oh, there's nobody
that's more washing than Randy the Ram. Right now, let's
calm down. I don't know which one. I don't know
which one is Randy the Ram.

Speaker 4 (01:37:22):
They both are terrible at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
No, Jericho is clearly Mickey Rourke, like it's funny.

Speaker 4 (01:37:32):
Go to extreme lengths just to save the man's life
because he couldn't get out of his own way.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Oh I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't I
disagree with this, I don't. I just don't think Will
Osprey is that great. Like I Here, here's the thing here,
here's what I find very odd. I feel like we're
in an era of professional wrestling where it's not okay
to dislike people, like you have to like everybody's favorite
wrestler or you're the immediately.

Speaker 4 (01:37:58):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Yeah, it might be I just think you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:04):
Dislike him because I love him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
No, that's not it. I don't like him. I don't
think he's if he'd gone to WWE, that you would, No,
I don't. I think if he goes to WWE, I
don't even think he makes it farther than Kyle O'Reilly did.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
Because I said at one point, I think he's becoming
my favorite, and you're like, yeah, he might be mine too,
and then like within weeks you just hated him.

Speaker 8 (01:38:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
I really enjoyed what I was watching from him, and
I was going back and watching a lot of his
Japanese stuff and I was like, Okay, this guy's pretty good.
And then he came to AW and I was like,
I don't know what he's doing here, but I can
tell you he doesn't know how to sell and he's
not very good at it. And it's it's kind of

(01:38:57):
one of these things like when I I have, I
have equated I have. I don't think I've said this
on our podcast here. I am an og hull Cogan hater.
I am one of these guys that are old school,
do not like hul Cogan. I mean this from being
a little boy right. The moment that I realized I
hated hul Cogan was when I watched Macho man Randy

(01:39:19):
Savage go up to the top rope and give him
three or four elbow drops and then watch Macho go
for the pin and Hogan kicked out big boot leg
drop won the match, And I thought to myself, am
I watching like Captain Planet? Am I watching something so
unbelievable that I cannot be true? Like, yeah, he's gonna

(01:39:44):
take pollution down to zero, but I'm gonna I'm gonna
tell you, Like when I was watching that match, I
felt like it was the first time I felt rage
as a child, thinking like this is ridiculous, Like it
was the first time, Like I think, I think like
my mom sent me to bed once and she took
my like favorite like doll that I used to sleep with,

(01:40:08):
which was an alf doll, right, because he had the
cassette tape that went in the back, Like that was
my favorite. And my mom was like, Nope, you're being bad.
You're gonna go to bed. Here's what you're gonna go
to bed with, you know, with a few cocoasles, right,
And I thought to myself, I hate Hulk Cogan. I
hate this man. He's just awful. And when I watch

(01:40:28):
will Osprey no Cel, like, I keep bringing up this
one spot I saw will Osprey take a burning hammer
and then hit his back elbow weird, ridiculous finisher or whatever,
and then hit the stupid twisting whatever he calls that move,

(01:40:50):
like where he put he gets you ready for like
the pedigree, and then puts you on his shoulder and
does a twist whatever the hell that moves. Called it
a car No, no, it's it's weird, it's it's whatever
it is. It's actual.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
What's it called storm storm? Stormbreaker?

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Yeah, whatever it is. It was a ridiculous finisher, and
I just thought to myself, are you kidding me? I
got flashbacks flashbacks of that Whole Cogan, and I was like,
no way, I can't like a guy like this, and
I'm happy with.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
Two different scenarios.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Right, what do you mean that he took a burning hammer?
Burning hammer is a finishing move. He's doing what they
want him to do. Mm hmm that's right. That is
the best version of Whole Cogan. Yeah, I like Thunderlips.
Thunderlips is my favorite Whole Cogan.

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
Yeah, I'm saying entirely too much on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
All Right, it's cool. They're all wrestling different planet.

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
Go ahead it Sorry I was talking and here he's go.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Ahead, What are you about to say that the difference
between hul Coogan and Will ospre because I'm about to
encyclopedia this ship. I give it people.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
Will is doing what they want him to do. Mh
Hogan just says that doesn't work for me, brother, and
does what he wants.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
Okay, so that started later in his career. But if
you go back and watch Hogan's Japanese.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
Don't think, don't think. The four elbow drops and getting
up is maybe, you know, Hulks trying to make himself
look the best.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Shows good, This shows go off the rails.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
You mustn't trade. So your prayers, that'll take your vitamins, ruys, brother,
that's right. The most people you've ever had in the chat.
This is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Yeah, absolutely, the hidden blade in the storm Breaker just
got finishers, man, just got are you? I don't know, bro,
you are one of our favorite people, one of our
favorite people. You were definitely one of the best interactions
we've ever had on the show. Just brilliant. I think
I might know who it is universal are you Matt Miller?
Matt Miller the guy who just beat me in Fantasy?

(01:43:16):
Did he the Colts guy? Yeah? Yeah, if that's him.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
Did he play Flacco?

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
He played Flac Oh, yeah he did play He played
Flacco and he played Tray Sermon. Yeah, he played Tray
Sermon and Sermon got a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
So he just like he just like took his colts
out and put their backups in and still just hooked
your ass.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Yeah pretty much.

Speaker 10 (01:43:40):
Yeah, And now he's on our podcast. It's like, I
don't know, he's not responding like a because I outed him.
I'm pretty sure it's not. I'm pretty sure it's not
because I don't think that would know where the Maritimes were.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Oh, got it, got it.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
I don't think something's up on this Canadian geography.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Well yeah, I mean I don't think. I just don't
think Will. Will's not for me. He's not my cup
of tea. But that's fine. But I remember in the
night not being a fan of hardcore wrestling, Like I
remember thinking like, no, this isn't for me. I was
a fan of technical wrestling. I like Brett Owen, I
liked Regal Malenko, Jericho, Ben Wah, I liked all of

(01:44:23):
these guys from like the early nineties and like the
late nineties and Sean and Perfect Rude Sting, obviously sting,
sting forever. And I remember having conversations with kids and
they'd be like, yo, did you watch that mankind versus
Cane match? And I'd be like, I don't like it.
It's not for me, and they'd be like okay, and

(01:44:45):
we'd be able to change the conversation. But now when
I tell people I don't like Will Osprey, they get
all like offended.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
Every time I like someone, You're like, yo, socks.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Well, I mean it's it's now. We have never met
until now. That's what he said. We have never met
until now. That's what he said. Yeah, yeah, well you
can you can follow us. That is ominous. That's cool.
I love it though. It's great. Yeah yeah, Will. Will's
not that guy for me, but neither is Hogan. Yeah,

(01:45:19):
but why don't we just like give a little bit
of teeth to.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
It, like, like, I love Will the guy way more
than we love the wrestler.

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
I think that's a that's a strange thing that you
tend to do. As the Cowboys just fumbled in the
red zone, t J Watt once again, I will say listen, yeah,
end of the first quarter and uh at ten thirty,
So yeah, I I don't know. For me, I've never

(01:45:53):
been a Hogan fan, not a will Osprey fan either,
but I will.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
Oh, he was gonna say something nice about Wilsol, of course,
he throws.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
No, I was not gonna say nothing nice about will Osbury.
What I was gonna say is I have had a
dislike for certain wrestlers and then come as Whack. And
then I watched him and I watched him grow and
I watched him perform a hell of a lot more

(01:46:33):
and I was like, yeah, this guy's awesome. Same thing
with him.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
Who are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Seth? And yeah, I was yeah. And then I didn't
like MJF either, because I grew up in Jersey. All
what is happening right now? I don't even know what
just happened.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
Everything seems fun. And then my internet is just getting
gaca here it says it's strong, So I don't know
what's going on. But yeah, so when I watch like
certain guys, it takes me a little bit to like them.
Yeah I like it, thanks man.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
Yeah I appreciate cold twice.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Yeah. Yeah. But see now my Adam Coal thing is different,
My Adam Cole thing is completely different because.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
So he calls me one D He's like, I want
to watch a lot on coal.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
He's yeah, yeah. I mean, here's what I will say.
The Adam Cole thing is a personal thing. I just
don't like him as a human being because I want
to be with his girlfriend. So it's just kind of
one of those things. Yeah, I know she lives here
in Pennsyltucky. So let's get at it. Let's go, Britt Baker,
what's up?

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
D m D.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
I'm all about it, d m me, d m me.
There you go. Anyway, what's his sense here? Oh, that's fine,
che We're allowed. You know, if Jason Mule walked in
this house, pass, yeah, I don't think she would be
my whole pass. I think Christy Mulloti would be my

(01:48:08):
whole past. But I've been a fan of wrestling since
the eighties, and the evolution of wrestling has changed drastically.
I believe it when I believe it went from watching
them as heroes to watching some of them as talent. Oh,
I love that comment. Yet comment.

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
I agree with that, and I think a lot of
that has to do with the fact that we learned
more well what's happening behind the scenes. I agreed Universal
this bump again. Yeah, I'm still.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Conflating that you might be planning on murdering me. But
other than that, that's a hell of a thing too.
The Universal, he's just he's tired. Don't listen to him. Now,
what I will say he was.

Speaker 4 (01:48:53):
The ominously We've never met until now.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No. What I was going to
say is that what I love about professional wrestling is like,
I'm forty years old, right, and there are certain wrestlers
that I can't be impartial about. I love to death,
Like from the moment I first watched him at four
years old to the moment I was there in person
to watch Sting retire, he was my all time favorite wrestler.

(01:49:21):
There will never be that. Oh yeah, I just I'm
not even gonna tell you the amount of tears that
I shed watching him and watching his sons. It was.
It'll forever be a moment. I never thought I'd get
a chance to watch him in person, So getting to
watch my all time favorite wrestler, one of the greatest ever,
my personal number one on my Mount Rushmore. I think

(01:49:45):
one of the most underrated wrestlers ever too, because I
feel like people don't understand how fucking amazing he was.
I just had a conversation with a fellow Sting fan
who's who asked me point blank because my profile photo
on my Twitter is black and white Sting, And they
asked me who my favorite version of Sting was, and

(01:50:07):
I said, I know this, I know the irony and
what I'm about to say, but it's Surfer Sting and
it's because Surfer Sting gave me the best moments as
a child.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
You know, that's his best working version as well.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
I love it, ye, Stinger, I love it just absolutely.
Sting is. Yeah, He's it for me. He's the reason
I love professional wrestling. I've said this before and I'll
say it again. My very first wrestling match I ever
watched was was a tape, a taped match, and it
was Sting versus Rick Flair, and it was their forty
five minute draw. That was my introduction to Sting and

(01:50:49):
he was it for me. It was a superhero. I
dressed up as the Man like four or five years
in a row for Halloween. Like I loved him so much.
He it'll never change. My son is eight, and I
love Stings so much. I've never pushed him. My son
has his own favorite wrestlers. Tyler doesn't understand where he
gets these favorite wrestlers from, because like brock Lessner was,

(01:51:27):
who are you you were there for Halloween Havoc versus
like Sting versus sid Vicious?

Speaker 4 (01:51:34):
No way, Oh my lord, man, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:51:40):
That's a great it's a great question. I am not
good with years like that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):
So that would because that was stinging. That was stinging Jake. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Yeah, absolutely, he's the best surfers. Thing was awesome. He
would have killed it. He would he would have killed
it in w W W w F. He would yea
for the company too. He would have been perfect.

Speaker 4 (01:52:03):
He would have been what they tried to make warrior.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Yeah. He would have done everything they asked him to do. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
But you know, can you imagine if it's Sting that
beats Hogan for the title and at Rustlemania six, maybe
maybe maybe Hogan never comes back.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
Yeah. What I was gonna say is, uh, I just
want to remind the chest since you so eloquently brought
up Sting versus Hogan, that Sting is undefeated against Hulkogan.
So I think that's really important to state is different.
Yes he is, sir, he is. He's undefeated against Hulkgan
at pay per Views five and zher.

Speaker 4 (01:52:49):
So so he didn't initially lose a circuit.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
No, you know that that's in the record books is
a win. You know that that's the written the record
books as a win.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
You know they was really irresponsible from the show up,
not tam.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Oh my god, I'll never fucking Hogan. Yeah. I was
there for Sting versus Flair Mall of America when Luger
showed up. Get the fuck out of here. You were
there for the first night trow. That is awesome. Yeah here.

Speaker 4 (01:53:27):
House Show I saw.

Speaker 7 (01:53:29):
I saw Luger main event of House Show in Monk
and New Brunswick the friday before that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:53:36):
It was one of his last matches in the in
w w F it was Luger and Sean versus Owen
and Yoko for.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
The tag Belts. Was the main event because Diesel got
hurt wrestling Mabel. It was supposed to be Diesel versus
Yoko and it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
I wonder what Diesel versus Yoga would have been. Not amazing,
I mean Yoka was amazing. So Buck, you said sure,
but you know with the right.

Speaker 4 (01:54:08):
Guys, he was better. I don't think Diesel would have
been a very good stylistic fit.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
I was six or you were eleven. That's a pretty
large gap. I don't know which one Halloween ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:54:20):
I was eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Okay, all right, yeah, I mean that's that's awesome, man,
congratulations that is That is one of the coolest things
I've ever I've ever heard ever, like or had anybody
been able to talk to. I know a fellow friend
of the podcast Stuff from the Dungeon there, d Rotten.
He actually told us that he watched live when it

(01:54:41):
was actually happening, not on tape delay, Stinging Luga versus
the Steiners, which was considered like which was PWI match
of the Year. And I thought that was one of
the coolest things I've ever heard, because I love that match.
Luger is one of the most underrated wrestlers that I've
ever seen. He was my dad's favorite wrestler, so it's

(01:55:05):
pretty cool. I don't I don't know, man. I think
there's a lot of workers out there that people don't
pay attention to that they think are bad. Because there's
a certain generation that told him that these guys couldn't work,
and then you go back and you watch their matches
and you're like, what the fuck these guys are good?
Like this whole like narrative that Sid Vicious or Sid
Justice or Psycho Sid was a bad wrestler because he

(01:55:26):
had one bad match with Undertaker was just ridiculous. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:55:32):
I mean, he wasn't as bad as they made him
out to be. But he's no, you know, he's not
the Ricky Steamboat either.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
Yes, yes, sir, it was Uh, come on, now, you're
that's such a ridiculous thing to say. Did you just
like you pick one of the greatest in ring performers like.

Speaker 4 (01:55:59):
He was. He wasn't the great worker he was like
in terms of in.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Ring work, bell to bell, you think a guy that
is on par with Seawn Michaelson, say he's not as
good as.

Speaker 7 (01:56:11):
Like like like it's hyperbolic, but it's like that's what
I'm saying, Like he's he was all right, Yeah, he
was really good for a guy that size.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
Yeah, look, we got to run in over here from uh,
we gotta run in over here from Simba. Just yeah, hi, Hi,
that's my butt, that's my that's my Simba. He chilling.
Nacho Simba first name Nacho yep, like like like Nacho
cheese yep.

Speaker 4 (01:56:47):
Does he have that Orange Cat energy?

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
No, he's very lovable. He's he's uh, he's not, he's.

Speaker 4 (01:56:55):
Never I think there. I think they're lovable. But like
they say, the Orange Cats are like trying.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
Sting has a nitro match against Hogan. He's got fall Brawl,
he's got super Brawl, he's got starcade. There's one more.
There's one more in there. Oh yeah, but he's under

(01:57:26):
oh yeah, and then he beat him in TNA as well,
So yeah, they can't forget that they wrestled in TNA
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:57:35):
Do we count that?

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
Yeah? I think the only time that. Please give me
your Mount Rushmore of wrestlers, my personal Mount Rushmore. Mine
are different, So I can tell you I have a
seth Rowlins style kind of like Tyler. Like I think
Tyler has the same thing. He's got workers and people
that made money. I don't do it that way. I'm
gonna give you who I believe is the best, like

(01:57:58):
just in general, and then I'm gonna give you my
personal like Macho Rodriguez is like mine are Sting like Danielson, Brett,
the hit Man, Heart and Brock Lesner. Those are my
personal Lesner has been kind of moved out though. Uh
he's been moved out not because uh not because of
like what happened with the whole Vince thin, but because

(01:58:20):
I for me, Roman is just kind of He's just
become such an integral part of professional wrestling to me.
But yeah, it's Brian, Brett and Sting will never move
from my mount Rushmore. But the fourth person, Lesner Roman,
those guys will, you know, they'll move in Obviously. Roman
still has so much more left in his career. If

(01:58:42):
I were to throw a female in there would be Becky,
So I'm going to do mine now. Mm hmm.

Speaker 7 (01:58:48):
It's you know, Will Osprey mm hmm, Ben Balor, Live Morgan.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
And a Lie.

Speaker 4 (01:59:00):
Yes. Wow, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 7 (01:59:04):
I had to shout out my buddy there, but uh no, seriously,
in all seriousness, Uh, it would be Oh god, it's
so hard, so difficult.

Speaker 4 (01:59:15):
I don't want to give you an opening there. Paul
Michaels Edge macho man.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:59:36):
So hard to pick.

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
Four h.

Speaker 4 (01:59:42):
Mm hmm, so hard to pick four.

Speaker 7 (02:00:01):
I mean, I guess that's if it's just your personal preferences. Uh,
it's gotta be Sean Waltman.

Speaker 4 (02:00:10):
Oh wow, you like it, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 11 (02:00:13):
I was a huge fan, Okay, all right, I like that.
It's happy to see him at the show last night.
He looks good.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Yeah, yeah, he looks good. Just before we move on
and I give like my workers. So Sting beat Hogan
at Stark ninety seven. Then Sting beat Hogan. Yes, yeah,
what are you talking about. I'm reading it.

Speaker 4 (02:00:45):
You're gonna talk a super Bowl. I think that's Super Bowl. Yeah,
you're right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
Sting beats Hogan at Super Bowl eight for the vacant title.
Sting beat Hogan for the World Heavyweight Championship in a
steel cage match on February fourth, nineteen ninety eight. Sting
beat Hogan at Fall Brawl when he hits Hogan with

(02:01:12):
the baseball bat in the stomach, puts him in the
scorpion deathlock and Hogan kind of like like. He beats Hogan.
That was at Fall Borough ninety nine. Then he beats
Hogan on October October twenty fourth, nineteen ninety nine at
Halloween Havoc. And then finally Sting beat Hogan. Uh, October sixteen,

(02:01:36):
twenty eleven, a TNA bound for glory five times?

Speaker 4 (02:01:40):
Wait, so did you think February fourth, ninety eight?

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Yeah? What are you telling me? What I'm reading is wrong?

Speaker 4 (02:01:52):
Possibly because that would be before Starcate ninety eight, but
before Sober super Bowl, before Super Bowl. Yeah, so how
could he beat him for the vacant title if the
vicant title was vacant?

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
At reading it, I'm reading it one right now. Yeah,
I wonder.

Speaker 4 (02:02:14):
I wonder if it wasn't maybe March fourth and they
just have the date wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
Maybe maybe it.

Speaker 4 (02:02:20):
Was the only thing I can think of, because unless
it was just not for the.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
Title, maybe, I mean, he did beat him on nitro
a couple of times. He beat him in tag matches.
There were some no contests there. There is a match
where like Sting dresses up in Hogan colors because Hogan's
not wearing the red and yellow. He's trying to sway
Hogan back like it was a nitro match, and then

(02:02:47):
that turns out to be a no contest. Hogan wrestles
in like calpably boots and ship.

Speaker 4 (02:02:53):
I don't know, he's wearing black right. Uh huh he's
wearing black though, right.

Speaker 2 (02:03:00):
Yes, he's wearing black. You're absolutely right, yes, yes, yeah?
And then universal yeah never put there, we go here, here, here,
we got the thing. Universal. It's a personal choice. But
if you know mine, it's Sting, Flair, Michaels and the Undertaker. Yeah,

(02:03:24):
that's what I was gonna say. So I have a
personal my personal mount Rushmore. My personal amount Rushmore is, uh,
that's mine. But if I would say, like the greatest ever,
like who I think is the greatest ever, I would
say Sean Brett Austin, And I mean, I'm gonna throw
a Sting in there, regardless. I think Sting is one
of the most underrated people ever. No, I do not

(02:03:45):
have Undertaker in mind.

Speaker 4 (02:03:47):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:03:48):
I feel like I'll go off on a rant here
and I feel like people will get upset. I don't
think that Undertaker had a good match until he wrestled
Shawn Michaels. Like when I go back and I watch
his matches, I feel like his first couple of WrestleMania
matches are snoozers. Snoozers. Yeah, like they're pretty Like if

(02:04:10):
you watch his match with Jimmy Snooka is pretty bad.
His match with Jake Jake the Snake is pretty bad.
King Kung Bundy it's pretty bad. His match with Hogan
is that's not a WrestleMania match, but it's pretty bad.
His match with Giant Gonzalez pretty bad. Like the WrestleMania
streak is built on lies. It's like, oh yeah, he
won those matches, but they're not great matches. His we

(02:04:33):
mentioned the Psycho said match, that's not a great match either.
It's kind of one of those. Like the.

Speaker 4 (02:04:41):
Match at twelve with Diesel is okay.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
It's okay, Yeah, it's okay because he works from the bottom.
It's the first time we've seen Taker work from the bottom.
It's like he's the baby face in the match, Like
Diesel is like pressing him the whole match, and he's
really good. Seller the Cane match was pretty bad. Yeah,
I just for me Taker, I now I will say this.

(02:05:06):
He's not in my he's not in my Mount Rushmore.
But he's got the greatest character, like or the second
greatest character we've ever seen, like the and.

Speaker 4 (02:05:15):
That's that's seventeen with honors pretty good.

Speaker 2 (02:05:20):
Yeah, Flair's good. Flair's match is good. Good. Hit Heart
and Soul is good. Royal Rumble ninety eight is good,
even though that that ends. That ended the first half
of Shawn Michael's career.

Speaker 4 (02:05:34):
Uh yeah, I like the I like most of his
matches with Foley. I don't like I don't like Helen.

Speaker 2 (02:05:40):
The hell and so Yeah, you said, uh yeah, I
mean that's don't don't get people rioting against us. A
lot of people love that Hell in the Cell match.

Speaker 4 (02:05:49):
Good.

Speaker 2 (02:05:50):
Yeah, I mean yeah, that's kind of how I feel like, like, yeah,
it's Takers, He's great. I'm not gonna disike. I love Taker.
I love the version of Taker right around the edge
and Batista feud. I thought like that Taker was the
match with Batista is, Oh, it's phenomenal. But that's also

(02:06:12):
a lot of people think Dave's a bad worker, and
they're wrong. They're just wrong.

Speaker 4 (02:06:18):
Yeah, it just depended on whether or not he was
engaged in what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (02:06:22):
Shut up. Batista's worst match ever is the Punjabi prison match.
He's never had a match that bad. That's it.

Speaker 4 (02:06:28):
Okay, Sure that would be a lot of people's worst
match ever.

Speaker 2 (02:06:32):
Sure, but I think he's a really good worker. But
both of his matches were triple each good for the
fact that both of them were out of the business
the second time. Every match that he had dating from
Wrestle Media twenty one and after those matches were great.
And then his matches with Randy were phenomenal, His matches
with Eddie Guerrero were phenomenal, his matches with his match
with Raymond Steria was good, obviously, his Taker matches, his

(02:06:55):
JBL matches were good, his Edge matches were good. Like
Batista's got a slew of great matches. Like he's just
really really good worker.

Speaker 4 (02:07:07):
Yeah, just appreciated, you know, vot.

Speaker 2 (02:07:12):
If you say so, I mean, Wrestleminga twenty one's the
greatest WrestleMania of all times.

Speaker 4 (02:07:15):
So Wresselman, it's twenty one.

Speaker 2 (02:07:19):
Mm hmm yep. John Cena versus JBL, Batista Versus Triple A,
Shawn Michaels versus Kurt Angle.

Speaker 7 (02:07:28):
You know that BOTHA versus JVL and the Teas the
versus Triple at Mania looked.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
At as bad matches, right, Well, then people don't know
what the fu're talking about, you know why? Because the
DBL versus John Cena match, that was JBL working true
professional wrestling. He worked the body, he worked the entire thing.
Everything he was doing was for the closed line from Hell.
Every single thing it made sense. It was a beautiful match.

(02:07:55):
It was like what we watched with CM Punkin and
uh McIntyre last night. Every single there was no wasted movement,
And I think people don't like that. People don't like
actual classic professional wrestling. They want to see spectacle. They
want to see Will Ospray take a German soup plex,
get up and then give a shooting star press like

(02:08:16):
two seconds later, like that's what they want to see.
They don't want to see guys sitting down and actually
working a good style, just going back and forth, like
I'll tell you right now. If Ben Wah doesn't do
what he did, right, I think, uh, if they try
to have that match today, Ben Wah versus kurd Angle,
the half an hour submission match, I don't think fans

(02:08:38):
like it today. I think they call it boring. The
submission match, the two out of three falls that he
had with Chris Jericho, where he puts the Crypler cross
face on him and Jericho like his face is like
his hair's covering his face and he passes out from
the cross face. I don't think people like that match today.
I don't think people don't like that style anymore. They

(02:09:00):
just don't. People don't want to see that style of
professional wrestling any It's cool for like a middle of
the card ship like like Chad Gable does, but people
don't want to see true blue like hold for hold, catches,
catch can like real professional wrestling. People just don't want

(02:09:23):
to see that ship anymore. That's just how they feel.
Like you could tell. You can tell when you watch it,
when you read this ship on Twitter, that's I mean
you said you don't like Ocada versus Brian. That's what
that is. It's just so see you don't like it.
That's that a lot of.

Speaker 4 (02:09:42):
People seeing so much more entertaining from both guys.

Speaker 2 (02:09:46):
But that's not what they're supposed to be giving you.
They're supposed to be giving you, Like what I want,
that's what they're what you, specifically, Tyler want, no what.

Speaker 4 (02:10:00):
The audience wants. And you're saying the audience doesn't want
to see that, so then.

Speaker 2 (02:10:04):
Because it's not the style they work, because they both
work a similar style.

Speaker 4 (02:10:11):
So therefore, if the audience doesn't like it, that means
it's not good.

Speaker 2 (02:10:18):
I don't know, your favorite wrestling pundit.

Speaker 4 (02:10:26):
My favorite wrestling pundit.

Speaker 2 (02:10:28):
Yeah, I mean how much you love him. You call
him uncle Dave and everything. So if I call them that, yeah,
I mean yeah, when I talking to sarcastically, but but yeah,
that's what I mean. I don't hate him as much
as Eric and Bruce do. But yeah, well Bruce Pitcher's

(02:10:49):
aid is a moron. But what I was going to
say is, yeah, I just don't think people want to
see that style anymore. I think we're in an era
where rest sling fans want to see blood, they want
to see mayhem, they want to see brawl, but they
don't want to see hold for hold. They don't want
to see like William Regal versus Dean Malenko, like going

(02:11:11):
out there and I'm going to put you in a headlock,
You're going to reverse it into a hammer lock. Then
I'm going to drop you down to the ground that
I'm going to put you in eight I'm gonna have
your head between my legs and then you're gonna kick
up out of it. Like I don't think Brett versus
Owen WrestleMania ten would be as good today to professional
wrestling fans, they wouldn't appreciate me.

Speaker 7 (02:11:32):
I just don't think they're interested in JBL slowly working
the body and seeing that at that time was nothing
special either.

Speaker 2 (02:11:47):
I mean, I suppose, I mean you're you're you're kind
of preaching to the choir. I mean you're you're kind
of saying that you agree with those fan bases where
you say that, like you I mean you even said
it here. You're like, they're supposed to be servicing me,
like you're like you're a lone person.

Speaker 4 (02:12:05):
No, but I mean they're supposed to be giving the
audience what they want.

Speaker 2 (02:12:10):
I mean a lot of us enjoyed that match Styler.
There's a lot of people that enjoyed all three Ocada
versus Brian matches.

Speaker 4 (02:12:17):
I'm not disputing that, and that's not in that case.
It's just it's down to personal preference, and that's not
I don't like slow, methodical. Yeah, you've said that it
speeds up at some point.

Speaker 2 (02:12:31):
Yeah, I mean you've said that because you don't like
Randy Orton, And that's so odd.

Speaker 4 (02:12:38):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:12:39):
The thing is like Randy Orton works almost like he
has a lot of LA style without the throwing.

Speaker 4 (02:12:51):
Len Rick Blair's got a lot more.

Speaker 7 (02:12:55):
Flash and style to distract you from the fact that
we're moving at a glacial pace.

Speaker 4 (02:13:05):
Randy is like, I disagree with you.

Speaker 2 (02:13:13):
I think that there's this like this is kind of
what I'm saying, Like wrestling fans have decided that their
version of professional wrestling is the only good wrestling. And
then that's kind of like my thing with Will, Like
I appreciate universal and I appreciate like, you know, Baptist
Bulldog kind of like pointing it that out, Like you're like,
we're all lots of like what we like. Like, I
don't have to like the flippy shit, but I did

(02:13:35):
enjoy it when Ultimo Dragon was doing it. I enjoyed
it when Hoove was doing it with Juice and Thubther
like or when Dynamite Kid. I enjoyed it when those
guys did.

Speaker 4 (02:13:42):
It, the originators of it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:44):
But I don't like the version that Will gives me.
Oh I like that. Oh, that is a great comparison.
Randy Orton is like Jake the Snake Robbers with more athleticism.
Love it.

Speaker 4 (02:13:56):
That is a perfect comparison, perfect except the Jake could
talk him out of the building.

Speaker 2 (02:14:03):
Nobody nobody. He clearly said the word flew like right, But.

Speaker 4 (02:14:09):
I'm saying I'm saying like Jake had that to draw
you into his character.

Speaker 2 (02:14:16):
Yeah. The thing with the thing with.

Speaker 4 (02:14:18):
Randy, right is like I'm a huge rand Ne Orton
fan from like his debut evolution to.

Speaker 7 (02:14:27):
Like I don't know, twenty eleven or twelve mm hmm,
like to the point where he almost right to the
point where he catches in on Brian.

Speaker 4 (02:14:37):
But like after that, I think he had an injury
and he went away for a while and he came back,
and this is he's never been the same, like since
since the the Lesler match.

Speaker 2 (02:14:50):
Oh, that's different. I I think that was designed that
way it was.

Speaker 4 (02:14:56):
I feel like we've seen a different Randy Ortons since then.

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
Yeah, I mean, I suppose you're right. I just look
at it as Randy gives me what I need, because
he's a difference of what we're getting today. He's not
He's not giving us the same thing. What's the universal's here? Bruno,
Bob backlan Rick Flair, brock Lesnar honorable mentions the macho
man Sting and Brett. That might be the most unique

(02:15:22):
Mount Rushmore I've ever seen. And I fucking love it. Universal.
I don't know who you are, but you are. That
shows so much. Oh you said take out Backlan Okay,
so who are you replacing? Okay, Bruno, Flair and Brock Okay,
he said, my mistake, he said take out Backlan, So Bruno, Flair,

(02:15:43):
and Brock. I love that. That's that's yeah, there's four
he he said, honorable mentions, sting Macho and Brett. So
I guess I guess he's doing He's doing what I'm doing.
Where it's like I have Lesner and Roman kind of
like tossed in there. Yeah. Uh for me, Yeah, I
just love that. Man. That's a that's a beautiful list.

(02:16:05):
Beautiful list because yeah, not a lot of people are
big fans of Bruno, like or not that they're not
big fans, they just never watched him like Bruno back
in the day, Like I've seen his matches with Antonio Rocca.
You know, he he's definitely worked. Like my grandfather's big,

(02:16:26):
like I have one living grandparent left and he loves
Bruto san Martino like he swears he's the greatest wrestler
that's ever lived.

Speaker 7 (02:16:34):
So yeah, I guess I just I don't get it.
But I wasn't alive during his time, so that's probably
why was he like innovative or something or was he
just really like I don't understand, so I'm asking, like.

Speaker 4 (02:16:57):
Explain it to me.

Speaker 2 (02:16:58):
He's very much like the vun airrics like fits like
he he he is like just an old, methodical worker,
That's what he is, like just old, like I'm gonna
if I beat you out on the back, like I
get the closest we'll ever see to Bruno San Martino
and like this day and age. I would say, it's

(02:17:20):
like Larry's Abisco, like what you watch when Larry would
come in and work and w yes and then Larry
turns on him and stuff and we see that.

Speaker 4 (02:17:28):
Yeah I've seen that.

Speaker 2 (02:17:30):
Yeah, So I mean that's kind of like, yeah, what
we kind of see and stuff. But yeah, those are
kind of like.

Speaker 4 (02:17:40):
I'd like to go back and study is like Nick Bockwinghole. Yeah,
there's a lot of guys like credit him as an influence.

Speaker 2 (02:17:49):
Yeah, yeah, I would love to. I would love to.

Speaker 4 (02:17:53):
I don't really know anything about him.

Speaker 2 (02:17:57):
I mean there's a lot of guys from back in
the day.

Speaker 4 (02:18:00):
You can.

Speaker 2 (02:18:02):
Yeah, here we go. He's I wasn't. I wasn't either,
but I saw a lot of his matches. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
I agree. I think that a lot of people just
kind of go back and watch old matches, old wrestling footage,
Like I mean, I did the same thing when I
was a teenager. I went two Injersy All Pro show
and bought a tape that they flipped the red tap

(02:18:25):
off the VHS tape so I can so I can
get the extended like you could record not just the
two hours, but like six hours, and it was just
like kind of like I remember thinking, like this is

(02:18:46):
one of the coolest things I've ever seen, to watch
all of his matches with Tiger Mask, to watch his mask,
his match with British Bulldog in the Japan. Liked his
match with Brett Hart when Brett Hart worked trunks blue
Little Blue Trunks. Just his matches in Stampede, yeah, Dynamite
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean that.

Speaker 4 (02:19:07):
One of stuff. But I understand that he's supposed to
be it's supposed to have been great.

Speaker 2 (02:19:15):
Yeah yeah, I mean he was the champion for over
four thousand days. We would have had somebody would be
breaking that record right now. If Tony Khan could just
do his job and keep you know, blonde hair, blue
eyes over there. We wouldn't. We wouldn't have like, you know,
he wouldn't be ruining the WWE championship right now. We
would have had Roman would have broke the record. It

(02:19:35):
would have been amazing.

Speaker 4 (02:19:36):
Roman, I'm still champion now. I don't know that I'd
still be watching.

Speaker 2 (02:19:40):
That's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (02:19:42):
I would.

Speaker 2 (02:19:43):
I would. I would set up a blow up doll
of the talent right here, and I would do the
podcast with a blow up doll. You know, I would.

Speaker 4 (02:19:52):
You wouldn't have anyone to check you every time you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:19:55):
That would be you know, well, I mean that's just
kind of one of those things, like, you know, you're
definitely wrong about that, because there's more about professional wrestling
than the crucierweight style by a guy who's clearly juiced
out of the gills. Uh, because he was as small
as Orange Cassidy and now he's bigger than MJF.

Speaker 4 (02:20:19):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (02:20:20):
Now we're making accusations. We're not making accusations. We're pointing
out that he has a lot of pimples on his back.
He didn't have a couple of years ago. That's all
I'm saying. I mean, that's that's I don't know if
that's a common trade or not. We could google it.
What's a what's a common trade in professional wrestling? What
what wrestlers tend to have? I mean, it's just kind

(02:20:42):
of one of them. But Eric Bischoff says that it
shouldn't be illegal because it's like, you know, actors get
to use it to to beef up for roles, and
these are essentially actors, So.

Speaker 4 (02:20:53):
He's not wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:20:57):
I mean, one one, one guy literally got so juice
out of the gills that he took care of his
family in the most worst way possible in an entire
weekend and had nothing to do with steroids. But anyone,
I mean that that's what. That's what That's what they
told us. It was steroids.

Speaker 4 (02:21:13):
Really, that is what they told us.

Speaker 2 (02:21:15):
You are correct, Yeah, So I mean we don't we
don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:21:21):
Yeah, real thriller going down here in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (02:21:37):
That's the second turnover in the red zone too. Like, man,
today has just been a weird day for football. Just
a weird day. I mean, just a weird day. But yeah,
I mean it's kind of one of those things. But yeah,
I mean, guys, thank you so much for tuning in
for us.

Speaker 4 (02:21:54):
I mean, we.

Speaker 2 (02:22:02):
Have the Grizzly, we have the Grizzly Canadian on Twitter.
We have Lewis R A to six on Twitter. Macho don.

Speaker 4 (02:22:12):
For chronicles tonight. Does that know what's happening? No?

Speaker 2 (02:22:15):
No, no, I think I think we're we're starting to
get I think we're probably gonna un anlay our audience
with the cutting out of the internet.

Speaker 4 (02:22:22):
So okay, but yeah, thank.

Speaker 2 (02:22:27):
You so much, guys. We really appreciate all the interaction.
This is the most fun show that we've had with
everybody that we've you know, yeah, it was awesome. Thank
you guys so much. We appreciate you, and please come
back on Tuesday night when we finish up the last
three episodes that'll be at eight thirty. We will finish
up the last three episodes of the McMahon doc.

Speaker 7 (02:22:51):
And so, since he got out, we're supposed to have
former work in the marks uh tandem of Patty Rican
and Fernando Uribe on Tuesday night, assuming everyone's schedule works out.

Speaker 2 (02:23:15):
Yeah, so far, it looks like everybody's good to go.
Should be as long as a hurricane doesn't take away
the talent.

Speaker 4 (02:23:21):
We're good to go, so I think we got about
we're about a day before that, so we should be safe.
Maybe my farewell show, but

Speaker 2 (02:23:30):
Oh, don't say stupid ship like that fucking weirdo anyway,
but yeah, thank you so much, guys, and until next time,
we're out.

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