August 9, 2024 • 53 mins
In this episode, we delve into the profound and often devastating impact of cult influence on family dynamics. Our host recounts personal experiences with a family member who became deeply involved with a controversial group. The discussion highlights the manipulation, the resulting familial strain, and the painful journey of trying to reconnect and heal. This episode offers a raw and honest look at the challenges faced by those who lose loved ones to cults, emphasizing the importance of courage, truth, and resilience in the face of such adversities.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi, I was just reading some text messages and also
some some messages from the cult leader. I'll read a
few of these and you tell me if you think
this is someone that sounds like a I'll let you
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judge for yourself. I try not to and about it.
I definitely am guilty of this, of say this is
a whack, this is a nut, and whatever it is.
So I'll let you decide whether how you feel about
someone that posts things like this. This is the leader,
name Broke. That's another name I'm using. If you DM me,
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I will tell you everyone's name. If you'd like to
be warned, send me a direct message if you want
to know, and check this out for yourself. There are
post after post after post. I had some of them
printed out here, and in all of them she's mostly naked,
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a woman in her fifties. These vanity poses. Here's one
that she's dressed in looks like OnlyFans. She's on her
back with her legs. I can show it to you
if you're watching, Yeah, I mean straps, and she looks
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like she's in an orgasm right here. And she talks
about her own life. And that's fine if you're not
trying to recruit others to feel like you feel, and
that's what she does. She says, I'm shocked at eighty
percent of moms speak to I speak to her still
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in marriages. They really don't want to be in and
due to money and feeling, they have no other choice
but to stay eighty percent. Where did that number come from?
I'd love to know where the data comes from. Tab it.
She just talks about the first time I was suspicious.
I've always been suspicious of her, but the first time
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I really wondered what happened to whatever happened to my
wife at the time we're calling lotus here, was when
they rehearsed to do this dance for the free entrepreneurs
and one of their multi level marketing, which I still
think they're in. I still think this is one that's stuck.
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It's a water system, and I think that's what they
were there for. I can't remember, but they learned this
dance together all these mamas and and just you know,
this whole feminine power and things like that, and this
is an expression of it. I get it, and I
endorsed it and supported it and watched the kids when
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she was away in Australia. She went away to Australia,
and the first thing that broke does is she posts
how proud she was to have a one night stance.
She snuck out of the hotel and I'm going, oh,
she's there with my wife and this is like my
wife's leader, So what's this about? And endorsing, you know,
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cheating and saying the kids are resilient and it's okay.
And it just kept on continuing the sharing of orgasms.
And she says, I went to Bally and ended up
meeting in Italian who barely spoke any English, but it
was fully versed in the language of domination and submission,
something I knew absolutely nothing in all caps. She does
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a lot of caps and all these things nothing about
this hardcore feminist ended up in an experience I could
not have imagined in my wildest dreams. Exclamation point. My
body started to open and heal in ways I never
knew possible. A book is coming out about these three weeks,
because holy shitballs, it was massive and rocking, all rolled
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into one. I came home from these thirty days on
my own, I moved out of my house, crystal clear
that this was time for me capitals in a whole
new way. I let my children stay with their dad,
and I moved into a studio for six months, still
being with my kids. Every day I could on my
crazy schedule. She decides for other people that they should
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do these same things that they don't have this freedom.
Talking about orgasms matter, dear mama's It matters, matters, dear mamas.
I only wish I learned this sooner. Fascinating, right, I
have effing man my receiving skills, and now I see
that me asking, I am actually giving my king a
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chance to show up and provide for me chance from
the earned points and quotes. Yes, this is how they
operate the points system. Ask them if you don't believe me.
It's a win win for both of It's super fun, playful.
It opens up some juicy, rich conversations. Now, now there's
photos of the guy she meets. We're gonna call them Rundele.
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Oh meet Rundle. There's a photo of him. So suddenly
she's off of this thing, and now we've got to
follow her doing this that she's got found this guy
with BDSM and orgasm. Now she's in the orgasm business,
and by the way when I'm reading all these things
with her in these oh these photos of her and
sexual positions and getting an orgasm during the photo. Oh,
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and every single post there was my wife like like
this sounds amazing, and oh, have you ever thought of
setting up a contract in quotes for your relationship? We've
been playing with this and adding two ours. Everything's about her.
We started learning a BDSM. BDSM, if you don't know,
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is bondage sado masochism or she poses with whips and
so forth and talks about domination. And here's the thing.
This is how she's so selfish and so are her
pupils that they don't consider other people, like the children.
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She convinced my ex wife lotus. Oh, the children are resilient,
they'll be fine. And here's something that she defended, by
the way, because I watch people go, I'm gonna read
some notes other people have said to her, and my
act wrote to me where they're blowing up back against this.
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But she's so full of herself that there's nothing that's
gonna knock her off of this arrogance. Moms are not
tapped into their sexuality that so few couples I know
are having mind blowing connected sex. So you're having sex
and connected sex for a little while ten years from now.
Is that the case? Is it really worth blowing up
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marriages and blowing up families where children now have a
separate homes that they have to go back and forth
as any of that considered. When you're talking about come on, mamas,
follow me, follow me. Look, here's the thing broke. If
you're listening, and I know you're not, because I have
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found her and her boyfriend Rundel to be cowards. I've
challenged them to talk to my children, talk to the
people that you most affected. So by her sharing this
and really having conversation pontification after pontification of here's the
way it is, mama's follow me, she says, this is
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a movement with all capitals. It's a movement. It's a
bowel movement because you're full of shit. They're full of shit.
There's nothing sustainable about this. And why do you have
to get out there and brag? Why do you have
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to tell the world about your sex life if you're
really happy, there's no way you need to do that.
And here's the thing that she selfishly doesn't understand it either,
because my ex wife. When you share these things, children
are watching. They're too young. Oh, children are on the internet,
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and not only that, their their peers are. And here
you are, in your only fans outfits talking about orgasms.
Like I said before, there's a there's a if you
want to look at it, there's a movie, a documentary
called Orgasm inc. It's a it's a it's a cult
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all about orgasm and freedom and all that kind of stuff.
And here's what I want to say to anyone listening,
including those two. Where's the part about honoring commitments. Where's
the part about through thick and thin, through sickness and
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in health? Where is that in this following You who
have decided this is the way to live your life,
don't honor your vows. Go cheat and brag about your
cheating on the internet for your children to read for forever.
It's there. It's still there if you want to go
read it. All of these adventures that she has and
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being dominated in other parts of the world and opening
herself up her vessel and her filling her you know,
has to describe it like I said, its a harlequin romance.
A harlequin romance is actually it's okay, because not real people.
This is real people that are affecting others, like my
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former wife who jumped right in on this. Let's say
she was feeling any of those feelings. She's feeling difficult
times and maybe falling out of love or you know,
not finding me attractive, whatever it is. Here's the difference.
You work on it, You do whatever it takes to
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be of service to your family. Now, if this is
a terrible situation with like abuse and so on, yeah,
get out. Not the case. The only abuse is happening
from this from her. These are abuses, abuses of power
taking over, dominating, controlling, violence, temper tantrums, all of those things, stealing, deceit,
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all the directions as opposed to let me work on myself.
It's the biggest thing we can do. That's the thing
that we can do. We can't blame it, can't continue
to blame. She's blaming her ex husband. This woman, my
ex wife, blames me instead of saying, hey, I am accountable,
I'm responsible. I have to do everything in my power first,
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exercise all options, and this is not one of the options,
by the way, to air the dirty laundry about her
ex husband. I mean just awful. I mean, it's humiliating
for him. The father of her children. I'm the father
of Lotus's children. Doesn't stop her. Nothing does. Oh conscience,
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this selfishness, this ego, this narcissism. People over use the
word narcissism. I get it, but this is beyond. I
could just read on and on and you'll hear this,
and ninety nine percent of you are gonna go Wow,
that's who she followed. There's nothing in history that proves
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any of this. It's her and her ego coming up
with this system of free love or whatever it is.
You brought two children into the world. So I always
say to Lotus, what message are you sending them? Do
you want our little girl to go down this method
of sado masochism and go get free orgasms and so
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on to you? Or would you like the children to
show respect for their spouse show for example, the disrespect
that she shows is beyond. I mean, in both kids,
I can bring them in here right now, and they're
say it to anybody. They have watched this reprehensible behavior
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from their mom towards their dad. Undeserved, not perfect, but
nowhere near deserving of this treatment and only somebody programmed
would do something like this, because this is not the
way she was before. Is that what freedom is? Is freedom?
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Just okay, I'll just attack an illusionary enemy and make
an enemy out of that person, so I feel good
and justified. My son, oh, just the most sensitive not
a in phillyas not a good word. He's in tune
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feels and he has cried to her and one time
he was crawled up in her arms, as he told me,
and she starts going on about me, and it's just lies,
and he knows that they're lies. He lives this life.
He watches who Dad is the character that I am.
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But that doesn't mean anything when peers get together, when
her women's groups, women's groups get together, they're just going
to listen to one side of the story without feedback.
That's the way it is. And one's going to challenge her.
And then she finds people that won't challenge her. Tell you,
that's the one good thing about I'll seek it. I mean,
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I see, I got coaches, and I will seek being challenged,
including this. I run this by people. You know, don't
be bitter, don't be resentful, you know, to be you know,
all that stuff. I get it. I'll keep challenging myself,
but I'm also going to keep going with this. I
think this needs to be said because, as I said
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in a previous episode, with this woman who is talking
about this MLM multi level marketing pyramid cults that go
into go into you know, spirit, fake spirituality and all
that kind of stuff. Coaching I was made for. I'll
call myself on this. Someone said, well, you're a coach too,
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so anyway, yeah, but hypocrite. I will defend it. I'm
going to defend it right now. My coaching comes from
experience and it comes from success. I've had a tremendous
amount of success that I come from nothing. So if
people want that story and they want that coaching of
someone who's actually been in the major leagues for a
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very long time at a high, high level, then they'll
come to me for the coaching. This is part of
what I do, too, is the processing that being honest
with myself and others. There's a whole process that I
take people through in my coaching, and there's just a
ton of education, higher education, all of it. But these
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coaches have no experience. This woman is has made herself
into this Guru that she can just keep on pontificating
with these words, I will realize one of my children
to see me happy and care for them. And I
need my feminine needs taking care of all of this.
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The data women are going through, all of this is
just coming from someone who in the moment, this is
how she's feeling. It doesn't mean it's anything that will
be everlasting, like a marriage where you stay with the
vows and commit. I had said to my ex wife
many times, let's go to a let's go away. I'll
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pay for anything, Let's go away, Let's let's go on dates.
Let's try everything. You exhaust all of it before you
blow up a family of which you committed, You made
love with your husband or your wife, you had a
sacred pact. And I'm not saying you need to get out.
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I mean my first marriage, damn needed to get out.
That was really, really, really toxic. There was no way
out of that one, and I exhausted everything on that.
As a matter of fact, the iridy is I met
this wife, this last wife. I met her in the
Gape Spiritual Center trying to look at myself and what
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spiritual uplifting tactics whatever it is, how can I recondition
myself so I can be present in that marriage and
make that marriage work. So I really did exhaust something
for many reasons was never going to work. This one.
Apparently there's one of two things. She was fooling me
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the entire time, and that's really insidious. Or this woman
came in the cult leader and just took her away
at a vulnerable spot. Speaking of vulnerability, so the children
are really really upset with their mom that this was
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their decision. And I'll bet if I talk to Brokes kids,
it's the same thing. I'm positive you know the one
was beaten up by her boyfriend. I mean really, And
I happen to know because I have an investigator. I
happen to know that they're really unhappy. But Broke would
never show you that she's going to twist and propaganda
and whatever it is. That's what they do. My ex
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wife does it too. So here I am. Look how
happy we are. Let me show you us running out
of the water, hand in hand. Let's show these smiles
of all these thousands of people are with for these conventions,
for the multi level marketing. Let's just describe let's whistle
in the dark. Here. When it's dark, you're dark, no character,
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nothing that you really can say. I have integrity. I
back up my word. I can't believe sometimes how far
she has fallen. It's the saddest thing I've ever seen.
I go through anger, I go through grief, I go
through all the stages a lot. I just heard today
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she talked about conscious uncoupling. That's another word. I mean
that folks don't believe these words. So many of them
are just full of it. They say, they say that
it's a circle jerk. I've been at the top of
this too thing, but I'm in some organizations or was
as went well phony pony real is. Can you go
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through your obstacles? Can you go through your fears, your difficulties,
your addictions? Can you go through it with courage and conviction?
Can you? If I'm proud of anything in my life,
it's that still Standing. I'm gonna promote my podcast called
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Still Standing Up. Yeah, Still Standing Still Standing Up too,
Standing up doing comedy, which is a great cathartic experience.
But I cannot believe some of the routes, roads and
places that she's taken and taken all of us with
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her with nothing, no pause whatsoever. So we had a
It's funny. I was thinking about it today, about what
I was gonna talk about. So I did what a
couple of years ago I did, like every year and
a half, I did an intervention. I thought that it
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might work. And the person I went through was an
old friend of hers, because no one else is she
gonna meet with, So she's gonna meet with this friend
of hers. Now here we go again, Craig Peyton, red
flags green. This woman is red flags like Lama's a
rob with that big red flag attend a barricade. This
one is the reddest flag of all. I remember when
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we met her that she was gonna kill her son.
I mean she just did her baby. She's gonna drown them.
I mean this is like this was Lotus is like
one of her best friends. And I remember going, oh
my god, in a way, in a way, she raised
her son to hate her, to hate the husband who
moved Israel. No wonder you got the hell out started
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all of their family. But she really hurt this child
relationship with the father. Another one, and I didn't just
didn't see you because I was so desperate to have
an intervention. I thought, oh, she'll trust her. And she
supposedly is in this business of you know, I don't
even know what it was called. It was another They
just have names and you know, family units. And listen
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to this, she says, I'll charge you with like five
thousand thousand. No, I'm a chargeing the kind of money.
First of all, this is your best friend who's in
a cult, and I want you to come out here
from Rochester and come out and deal with her direct
and talk to her direct. That's why I thought she
had the skills, because she said she did because she
took these courses or whatever it was. Don't believe people
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if they say they take these courses that you know
nothing about. I shouldn't say don't believe them. But a
lot of times you might want to just unpeel that
onion a little more. And I didn't do that. I
paint the red flags green, so I fly her out.
I agree to pay for blah blah blah, including go
to take the kids to a lego store so we
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can sit in my living room with my ex wife
and the kids and build legos of what the family
looks like. I mean, it was okay. I just went
along with it. So we then walked to the park
and these kids, I don't want to cry, but I was.
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I was so proud of them what they did. Courage,
they mustered up. And if I teach anything to these children,
that's what I want to teach, be brave. And they did,
especially my son, my daughter. You know, I was eight
at the time. She can't really express herself as much,
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but she still did. But he got in there. He
told his mom with tears, what he witnessed, her violence,
her temper, tantrums, her leaving the family to spend hours
and hours upon hours, leaving the family that we committed
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to having a family to go be with this leader,
that she's been just following like a follower. And he
told her this in tears. He broke down there that
had a boy, had a boy. You just expressed your
truth of what he witnessed. He watched her attack me physically.
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He watched her, He watches her run out of rooms
like a I remember one time I was trying to
talk to her and she just ran down to seven
to eleven and we just walked along with her, and
she just she can put this face on and just
completely disassociate completely ignore it, and I'm just saying, please,
just please, just stop, let's have a conversation. That's I
whisper it. She treats it like an abuser. And back
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to the story really quick. He was under lap with
this other woman who I thought would be brave as well,
who I really admire, always loved their friend. I'll call her.
Let me say, I come up with these names that
are close, but they're not it. I'll call her Malvi. Maulvi.
I love because she's sober, She's been through a lot herself,
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and she, by the way, has stuck it out with
her family, stuck it out, committed, committed to her sobriety.
I admire someone like that. Sobriety means you're looking inside
of yourself, You're doing your own inventory, You're having the
courage to change the things you can, and wisdom to
know the difference. All those things happen if you're working
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a program of recovery from the way you were. So
I always admired Maulvie. I always love Maulvie as one
of the friends I really like. She didn't have resentment
and anger towards me. She wasn't shutting me down and
all that kind of stuff. But so my son was
at her house and my ex was so disassociated she
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didn't realize right in front of him, she's saying about
my abuse, and of course Malviy's not gonna think anything else.
But that's the truth because it's coming from my best friend,
one of my best friends. And that's the thing, folks,
I know, we don't want to believe that we are
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with a liar. We don't want to believe it. I
get it. Sow lies exist because you're just going to
denial and then you defend that person. You're angry at
the person that's saying they're a liar. I have that
happened all the time. People are offended by me. They'll
call me an isstan or a phobe or whatever instant
because I'm saying it's a lie. Nope, So Maulvie, I've
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reached out to her a few times, No, not gonna happen,
and he said, stop it, Mommy, stop it. She spreads
these rumors and a lot of these parents won't let
their kids be with my kids. This is the effect
that she has on the children. This is why the
broke types. This is where the leadership goes, is you
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become that family, that whack family, or he's the abuse.
Oh my god, stay away from him. So the kids
can't play. This is what she prevents them from having
true freedom and happiness. I ironically, that's what broke teaches
allegedly freedom. So now you jailed the kids from these rumors,
from treating their father like this, from the disrespect, the disdain,
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the deceit, all of those things that happened. That's what
they see. There's no way to live. That's not freedom.
Now they have to question everything. So Dad, we love
Jesus with such respect from we've watched it go through
hell and also just be there for us and supportive
and keeps us in this neighborhood and his beautiful neighbors.
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Guy coaches our teams and everything else. This is what
we see. She's saying something different. Imagine that to do
that to a child. So here we are in the
park with this friend of hers. I flew out from
Rochester that allegedly qualified, paying her way and everything else.
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He said, Oh it was meant to be. I was
gonna come out anyway and be with her. So basically
I paid for her to be with her friend. And
she double crossed me. She witnessed the following, the kid said,
the truth wasn't one word about me, and you will
never get a word about me out of them. And
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it's nothing to do with my program. He has nothing
to do with me, saying of them, it's just what
they witness They have witnessed constant violence from their mom,
blowing up the family for no reason. She didn't work
anything out, she didn't so many things. She just put
her power all into this woman. Broke doesn't make a
dime from these schemes, which are ever changing. They've watched
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all of this. They watched it all, they witnessed it.
They just bear witness to it. So this is what
he told her. He said, Mommy, you're just not the same.
It tells this to his sister, not the same since
you met Broke. He's trying to say to her, step away,
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leave her and come to us, because we brought them
into this world with prayer. I believed we were I
believed there was a spiritual intervention. I believed, and I
believed in my wife. I gave everything I could love wise,
I just was dedicated to this, even though a lot
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of times it was coming back cut off, and she said,
go have sex with anyone you want, because I'm not
gonna have it all that some tough times. No, no, no,
come on, It'll work out because she'll shift into consciousness.
She'll shift back to God and consciousness and higher source.
She'll shift back in there sometime. We can keep praying
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for that to happen. An opposite happened. I watched something
she's done this before. It looks demonic, like there's a
demon inside of her. And this is what worries me,
that she can access this dark, really dark. I've seen
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people freak out before fight whatever it is. It was
rumbling almost inside of her. Oh my god, she's having
an exorcism. I really thought that. I thought there was
an exorcism. I thought this is it. We did it.
We hit her bottom. She's gonna let this go. She
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just started stamping up and down, stamping. We all got scared.
No he did this to you, No, no, oh my god,
screaming at These kids were just vulnerable with her. They
just told her the truth that mommy, please stop, please
get to love, please get to you know, a connection.
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They weren't using those words, but this is what they
were saying essentially is please come back. Leave this selfishness,
this greed, this this terrible way that she is taking
this road of Like I was just reading these notes,
it's all about broke, It's all about her not considering
the children. Children first. For me, people will tell you
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this till the cows come home. I am not a
selfish guy. I am about other people's happiness. Is my happiness.
That's why make people laugh on stage. He used to
be selfish. So you know, I get the waitress's phone
number and all that kind of stuff, and I would
get attention all those things. Yes I initially was there.
Now and I get amazing seats and tickets and things.
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And all I do is just bring others and watch
the smiles on their faces. That's how I live. I
love to watch. I love to watch my ex wife
be happy, smile and laugh and experience all these things
which we we didn't until the very end. Just this
huge road trip with everybody. Was it a ruse? Well,
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that one was because of what she was planning. Screams
up and down, and the other fraud. What are we
calling her? We'll call her Liaisol to come close to
the names, so I can remember, Lysol takes her away
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and just hugs her and is not you know it,
tries to comfort her and take her down from this.
It seemed literally like somebody told me it's the Jezebel
spirit or whatever it is. There's something so dark and
sinister in her. This beautiful person has just given into
this dark side. I compare it to Anakin Skywalker. We
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watched the movie Star Wars, and you go, what the
hell you're gonna end up that? And what I try
to say to her is it, here's your family, like Luke,
like Leah, here's your family. We're here, we love you.
And I don't want her to live her life where
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at the very end, her last breath, she finally gets it.
Think about that. That's how the righteous are such a
mythological beautiful story. And I don't know beautiful, but it's
really It hits home the whole Star Wars thing. We
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by the way, we all love Star Wars. Me and
the kids watch them all and they can see the similarities.
They've watched. Mom is Darth Vader now and she's good
to them and everything else, and it's not like every
day they're suffering whatever it is, but they tell me
all the time. We'd much rather be with you dad,
you know. And I'm not telling them anything. They're just observing.
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She's gone. Now she's got another she's a boyfriend. I
don't know what's going on with that. She said it
would be a conscious uncoupling. We wouldn't introduce them to
They know his name, they know all his kids' names
and everything else. Another violation, And this is she just
can't keep her word. And I keep saying, why do
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you want to do this to the children, Why do
you want to send this message to them. We had
a wonderful relationship where we've showed them, you know, we
did gratitude lists around the table, we did what I
Love about you around the table, all these beautiful up
lifting things that broke. When she's talking about these broken
marriages or whatever it is, she's not asking what we
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really do or how it really exists. She's assuming that
everybody's like her in a loveless, sexless marriage, whatever it is.
So that's you. You do everything you can to make
something work, and I'm talking about work, whatever it is.
Whatever you're committed to, you remain committed as much as
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you can. This was not even she treated this breakup
like a pop and a pimple. Not easy. I don't
know how much time I've been here, because I have
to watch my time here. I want to tease the
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next scenario. What happened, big surprise. I forgot to tell you,
Lysol does a write up completely lies, just the whole
opposite of what happened. My children were shocked by this
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right up. But she did it for her friend so
much so that I threatened her. I said, I'm gonna
have you want to spread the word about you. You're
a fraud. Then I found out by the way I
did a little dive big problems with her son. She's
a bad news person too, and just comes across and
watch to hear the impression. Oh, let's get some legos
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and let's play with the legos and this is what
we do. Yeah, she literally talks like that, and I
found out she's another fraud. I knew it already, but
I'm just going to denial. I go into denial so much,
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including my ax, I just kept thinking, maybe even still
think that you'll out of it and become who she
really is. Again, I don't know. I want you to
know the power though the power of a cult leader.
Is this strong that someone can end up I've seen.
I watched the documentaries I watched. My father was a
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cult leader. Some of the memories I have of him
and his Pocono adventures on mules, and he had a
harem of women. If I said this before, pardon me
if I repeat it. But I was doing a show
in the Poconos. This is the blue collar honeymoon capital
of the Northeast. It's got it's the tackiest place you've
ever seen. This guy's giving me a tour of it.
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They hired me, and I'm the big guy from Hollywood.
They have no idea I'm from Pennsylvania originally or anything
like that. Send a limo at the airport and there
I am. And he said, the guys give me. He's
got this accent from Shimokin. He goes, Oh, Craig, let
me show you a place here. I'll never forget these
words when he says this. And I hadn't seen my
dad in a long time. I'm in and out of
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my life. Entrepreneur, here's this one out loud, just like Lotus.
Here were his multi level marketing. He had bras that
he had my mom. Invite her big breasted friends over.
Only the big breasted ones, he said. If she wants
to Barbara, you want your child support check, invite your
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friends over. I'm selling Bras Bros. Meets Amway, multi level
marketing with Bros. I hadn't seen him in years. I poke.
I poked my head in the living room. There he
is smoking a pipe with my aunt Barbara and Dottie
Aunt fran in Bras. Go ahead, Dottie, turn around, show
how lifts and separates. This is the three class model
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for the full figured woman. Don't be sure, just you
women and me. That's that's that was my dad converted
cesspols the sewers. I caught a shark one year. Next
thing I know, he buys these landing crafts, those things
from North. He got them for a dollar. Just repair, repair,
the bullet holes, will make short boats, and it's fuller
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brushes and so many things. Vitamins the first guy who
sell vitamins. And then he got the mules, this whole
mule excursion thing. Then he has another idea. He goes,
you know, the white water people, when they're done, they
got no way home. We go pick them up. Pedals
and saddles pretty clever. Actually, sometimes by the way, the
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multi level marketing people, it's clever, and you buy into
it because it's they got a good pitch. Old Brokes
got some good pitches going on that people fall for.
But you have to go beneath you to She literally
has a photo a few of them, where she's covered
in money and bills. It's for the photo. It's a photo, folks.
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You really think she's as a bed of bills. That's
the illusion. That's what she created for my ex wife.
You can have freedom, you know, with this guy for
all these years, you know, go get another guy and
go get dominated and have sado mass go get beaten,
sado masochism, whatever they're doing BDSM and all this, go
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come this whole other way. You don't want to be
settling into that. And no, look at me, I'm free.
I'm gonna brag about this and all these posts, bragging
about all of my orgasms. And you can have it too.
You can have this freedom, mom is get your sovereign freedom.
Get out of your golden cage. Here's the second. She says,
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more trust in our relationships means the more orgasms. That's
what broke says, and the next person commenting is Lotus
saying this is going to be amazing with a lot
of exclamation points, amazing. Make your marriage amazing. That's the
choice you have you if you're in a relationship, make
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it as good as you can. That's my tip. Do
whatever you can do to go past your discomfort, your fears.
Find out what it is you loved about that person
to begin with. Don't follow someone else because they've got problems.
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They're just projecting. They can't look at themselves. They're deflecting
and projecting reflect They're not reflecting upon themselves on what
else they can do to find they're mate attractive again.
It happens. But I was just told a statistic about
seventy percent of marriages they fail because of the woman
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is the one that breaks it up, the woman who's
over forty. What happens over forty. This is a statistic.
It's a proven have chemical changes, hormonal changes, so it's
not even that person who's reacting. So the idea is
to take care of that as much as possible. Men
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to whatever you're going through. You go through anger, resentment,
that's only gonna kill you. But you were you're projecting
and put it onto someone else. It doesn't serve any purpose.
And that children are watching, they're also gonna watch if
you grow and transform and work on yourself. I offered
her to go to buy ron Katie, and I paid
for this other thing called mitt something that I had
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taken before. These are courses, Landmark Forum. Yes, I support
all of those things. And she goes in there and
she has other people, You're the greatest, and there we
go again, more wellness scripters. There we go, You're so incredible,
lotus all and then all about her being a coach.
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It's all vanity, all ego that's running the show. I
like to say in my coaching program. So I like
to say, ego is evading growth opportunity, evading your own
growth growth opportunity. So where can you grow? So this
is a little message oriented this podcast. It's also a warning.
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It's an expression of sadness maybe for you as well,
maybe you're going through something. I will get to some
of the other details, but I would like to conclude
by saying, no matter what, there is hope, No matter what,
there is faith, access to faith in the highest source,
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whatever you want to call it. Jesus, Christ, God, Buddha Allah.
It doesn't matter what serves you and your higher purpose
is this magnificence that exists inside of you. Every single
one of you has this. I don't care how bad
you think someone is, they still have it. This beautiful,
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beautiful potency, this beautiful essence, this light, this love, light
and levity. That's who we are. And then we have
departures from it. So I'm disappointed at her friends and
her family have reached out to them, and they just
think that I'm just some you know, bitter X. It's
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not that I feel horrible for this road that she took,
and I feel terrible that another husband reached out to
me and this broke did it to that wife as well.
At the first time She's done this, not the last.
This is what are things? We have a mob, So
she says, it's a mom. She misery loves company. Everybody
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just understand that these leaders need company. They go for
vulnerable people. Just look up how cults will operate. My
father operated like that. They make sure that they're needed.
This guy's giving me a tour of the place in
the Poconosa. Go over here, Craig, you got your rock
a ball. Here, you got your quoits. You know what
coits are? He goes, here's the line. Oh my gosh,
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there's Aj Shumaker and his harem. What's that nott doing here? Whoa?
And I got to say these words? That's my dad.
There he was the city guy. All of a sudden
he's mountain man again. Phony you go, selfish guy. Never
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gave me a gift his entire life as my father,
except he gave me the gift of leaving because I
got to be connected with my true father inside of me.
That's what I encourage you to do, and connect to
your true mother, your true father inside of you. They
never leave. That's the opportunity he gave me, evading growth opportunity.
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So don't let my ego run the show. And there
he was, showed up on my show that night he
signed people up from mule Rides. Don't who taught you everything?
You know? Knocks at my door the next day. There
he is with part of his harem. Took my cheese tray,
my complimentary cheese tray for the celebrity. Oh take this
to the girls of the rants E. Judy loves Guda.
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Takes my cheese tray signs people up like we're some
happy family. Oh what it looks like to the ego people,
to the selfish, to the That's what Lotus has become
and justifies these actions, this terrible behavior, conscious uncoupling. We
won't use lawyers. She's on her second lawyer. They attack,
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they take money. She steals money no matter what I say,
lies about her finances. And here's what I want you
to know. If you're gonna get involved in business with her,
I'll tell you what the numbers are that she writes
down so she gets more support from me. By the way,
isn't that a great system that we're under. I have
to pay her for forever and the kids, you know,
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to support the kids with the top ram and I
got to, you know, thousands of dollars. This is what
she did first once she left. I'll get to that.
Terrible it's all terrible, tragedy, sad story. Maybe something will
come out of it. I don't. I do have hope.
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It's always good to have that. My buddy a brain cancer,
my buddy, Michael Goldberg Golds. They gave three months to live.
So when I started this laughter Heels program, a story
he showed up for all of it, all the prescriptions,
and you know, he definitely did all the other stuff
of the chemo. Whatever he had, hope, had hope, laughter,
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led to hope, joy fulfillment, his daughter wanted to live.
For his daughter. He lived fifteen years past that prognosis.
He had hope, and I have hope no matter what,
no matter even even if she continues to go down
this slide. And there's more, by the way, there's more.
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So just keep self examining. I'm gonna keep doing that.
I have an appointment tomorrow morning with another coach, So
I said, nuts too. People that uplift me, that's what
I need. I'm want to stay in that high vibration.
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And the kids are so happy in this house. They
tell their mom too, say I cannot believe that she
would live a life where they tell or flat out
we'd rather be with dad. She doesn't care, just doesn't care,
just whatever she wants. I don't you know, I'm just
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one of those things. Yeah, you just go. I don't
get it how someone can take that dark road. But
maybe there's hope. She finds help and her friends be
a friend, be a friend and ask her the truth
and go to the kids first. If you want to
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know the truth, who have witnessed all of it. I'm
gonna tell you right now, and I'll read some of
these text messages. Just Rundle threatened me with nothing is
true on my end, with abuse the X other X
tried it. It's not true. And I'll take light detector
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tests if the kids speak. They have seen it all
violence only on one person, this innocent lotus with a
flower name. Now, in this business, that's about empowerment, feminity,
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wellness and health and love. Love wins, Love does win.
It's hateful. She took a road of hate. It's cruel.
It's cruel to do to me, to the children. It's
cruel for the children to witness this. And you don't stop,
not even a pause, no apology. She's not afraid of me.
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Night she called and said come over, make love to her.
She cried her eyes out and we did. No fear.
It's a lie, no fear of me. She's fear of
the truth. Some people have fear of the truth. Remember
that for you you are I'm gonna keep being who
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I am. The truth does set you free. This woman's
in a prison of her own making. The children they
hurt from it. They're doing fine. We still have lots
of laughs, but they also have that sadness that they
will carry with them the rest of their lives. Be
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goes and wonder why in the world. I said to them,
I said, what are you going to tell your spouses
someday on the reason your parents broke up? Lots of
parents should break up. We've heard that all my parents
should have been divorced years before that they stayed married
because of us. Yeah, I get it, Yes, it happens
all the time. But I guarantee also, those parents aren't
working that hard on themselves. I guarantee you that you
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really shouldn't fight to that level. Have the children see
that you really should work on yourself so you don't
have that frequency within you that you would would allow
you to stay in resentment, stay in your rage and
misplaced rage and put it on them. Yes, you're not
working on yourself. I guarantee if I work on myself
that doesn't manifest. And I have snapped, that's for damn sure.
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As a certain point I've snapped. It's been really debilitating,
sometimes paralyzing. So why would somebody do this? Betrayal to
the ultimate. I'm gonna talk about that, write that down. Betrayal.
It's a theme in my life. I don't like it.
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It's like something that I've got to live through and
understand and free myself. All right, anyway or in store,
And I hope you're enjoying this. I don't know if
you're enjoying it, but it might be intrigued. I don't
know if it's inspiring, but it could be engaging. I
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stay out of the results. Three people could end up
listening to this and it's okay, But I hope you
hope you stay with me till the next one. How
about that one? I'm a going
Hi, I was just reading some text messages and also
some some messages from the cult leader. I'll read a
few of these and you tell me if you think
this is someone that sounds like a I'll let you
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judge for yourself. I try not to and about it.
I definitely am guilty of this, of say this is
a whack, this is a nut, and whatever it is.
So I'll let you decide whether how you feel about
someone that posts things like this. This is the leader,
name Broke. That's another name I'm using. If you DM me,
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I will tell you everyone's name. If you'd like to
be warned, send me a direct message if you want
to know, and check this out for yourself. There are
post after post after post. I had some of them
printed out here, and in all of them she's mostly naked,
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a woman in her fifties. These vanity poses. Here's one
that she's dressed in looks like OnlyFans. She's on her
back with her legs. I can show it to you
if you're watching, Yeah, I mean straps, and she looks
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like she's in an orgasm right here. And she talks
about her own life. And that's fine if you're not
trying to recruit others to feel like you feel, and
that's what she does. She says, I'm shocked at eighty
percent of moms speak to I speak to her still
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in marriages. They really don't want to be in and
due to money and feeling, they have no other choice
but to stay eighty percent. Where did that number come from?
I'd love to know where the data comes from. Tab it.
She just talks about the first time I was suspicious.
I've always been suspicious of her, but the first time
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I really wondered what happened to whatever happened to my
wife at the time we're calling lotus here, was when
they rehearsed to do this dance for the free entrepreneurs
and one of their multi level marketing, which I still
think they're in. I still think this is one that's stuck.
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It's a water system, and I think that's what they
were there for. I can't remember, but they learned this
dance together all these mamas and and just you know,
this whole feminine power and things like that, and this
is an expression of it. I get it, and I
endorsed it and supported it and watched the kids when
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she was away in Australia. She went away to Australia,
and the first thing that broke does is she posts
how proud she was to have a one night stance.
She snuck out of the hotel and I'm going, oh,
she's there with my wife and this is like my
wife's leader, So what's this about? And endorsing, you know,
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cheating and saying the kids are resilient and it's okay.
And it just kept on continuing the sharing of orgasms.
And she says, I went to Bally and ended up
meeting in Italian who barely spoke any English, but it
was fully versed in the language of domination and submission,
something I knew absolutely nothing in all caps. She does
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a lot of caps and all these things nothing about
this hardcore feminist ended up in an experience I could
not have imagined in my wildest dreams. Exclamation point. My
body started to open and heal in ways I never
knew possible. A book is coming out about these three weeks,
because holy shitballs, it was massive and rocking, all rolled
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into one. I came home from these thirty days on
my own, I moved out of my house, crystal clear
that this was time for me capitals in a whole
new way. I let my children stay with their dad,
and I moved into a studio for six months, still
being with my kids. Every day I could on my
crazy schedule. She decides for other people that they should
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do these same things that they don't have this freedom.
Talking about orgasms matter, dear mama's It matters, matters, dear mamas.
I only wish I learned this sooner. Fascinating, right, I
have effing man my receiving skills, and now I see
that me asking, I am actually giving my king a
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chance to show up and provide for me chance from
the earned points and quotes. Yes, this is how they
operate the points system. Ask them if you don't believe me.
It's a win win for both of It's super fun, playful.
It opens up some juicy, rich conversations. Now, now there's
photos of the guy she meets. We're gonna call them Rundele.
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Oh meet Rundle. There's a photo of him. So suddenly
she's off of this thing, and now we've got to
follow her doing this that she's got found this guy
with BDSM and orgasm. Now she's in the orgasm business,
and by the way when I'm reading all these things
with her in these oh these photos of her and
sexual positions and getting an orgasm during the photo. Oh,
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and every single post there was my wife like like
this sounds amazing, and oh, have you ever thought of
setting up a contract in quotes for your relationship? We've
been playing with this and adding two ours. Everything's about her.
We started learning a BDSM. BDSM, if you don't know,
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is bondage sado masochism or she poses with whips and
so forth and talks about domination. And here's the thing.
This is how she's so selfish and so are her
pupils that they don't consider other people, like the children.
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She convinced my ex wife lotus. Oh, the children are resilient,
they'll be fine. And here's something that she defended, by
the way, because I watch people go, I'm gonna read
some notes other people have said to her, and my
act wrote to me where they're blowing up back against this.
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But she's so full of herself that there's nothing that's
gonna knock her off of this arrogance. Moms are not
tapped into their sexuality that so few couples I know
are having mind blowing connected sex. So you're having sex
and connected sex for a little while ten years from now.
Is that the case? Is it really worth blowing up
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marriages and blowing up families where children now have a
separate homes that they have to go back and forth
as any of that considered. When you're talking about come on, mamas,
follow me, follow me. Look, here's the thing broke. If
you're listening, and I know you're not, because I have
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found her and her boyfriend Rundel to be cowards. I've
challenged them to talk to my children, talk to the
people that you most affected. So by her sharing this
and really having conversation pontification after pontification of here's the
way it is, mama's follow me, she says, this is
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a movement with all capitals. It's a movement. It's a
bowel movement because you're full of shit. They're full of shit.
There's nothing sustainable about this. And why do you have
to get out there and brag? Why do you have
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to tell the world about your sex life if you're
really happy, there's no way you need to do that.
And here's the thing that she selfishly doesn't understand it either,
because my ex wife. When you share these things, children
are watching. They're too young. Oh, children are on the internet,
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and not only that, their their peers are. And here
you are, in your only fans outfits talking about orgasms.
Like I said before, there's a there's a if you
want to look at it, there's a movie, a documentary
called Orgasm inc. It's a it's a it's a cult
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all about orgasm and freedom and all that kind of stuff.
And here's what I want to say to anyone listening,
including those two. Where's the part about honoring commitments. Where's
the part about through thick and thin, through sickness and
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in health? Where is that in this following You who
have decided this is the way to live your life,
don't honor your vows. Go cheat and brag about your
cheating on the internet for your children to read for forever.
It's there. It's still there if you want to go
read it. All of these adventures that she has and
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being dominated in other parts of the world and opening
herself up her vessel and her filling her you know,
has to describe it like I said, its a harlequin romance.
A harlequin romance is actually it's okay, because not real people.
This is real people that are affecting others, like my
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former wife who jumped right in on this. Let's say
she was feeling any of those feelings. She's feeling difficult
times and maybe falling out of love or you know,
not finding me attractive, whatever it is. Here's the difference.
You work on it, You do whatever it takes to
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be of service to your family. Now, if this is
a terrible situation with like abuse and so on, yeah,
get out. Not the case. The only abuse is happening
from this from her. These are abuses, abuses of power
taking over, dominating, controlling, violence, temper tantrums, all of those things, stealing, deceit,
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all the directions as opposed to let me work on myself.
It's the biggest thing we can do. That's the thing
that we can do. We can't blame it, can't continue
to blame. She's blaming her ex husband. This woman, my
ex wife, blames me instead of saying, hey, I am accountable,
I'm responsible. I have to do everything in my power first,
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exercise all options, and this is not one of the options,
by the way, to air the dirty laundry about her
ex husband. I mean just awful. I mean, it's humiliating
for him. The father of her children. I'm the father
of Lotus's children. Doesn't stop her. Nothing does. Oh conscience,
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this selfishness, this ego, this narcissism. People over use the
word narcissism. I get it, but this is beyond. I
could just read on and on and you'll hear this,
and ninety nine percent of you are gonna go Wow,
that's who she followed. There's nothing in history that proves
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any of this. It's her and her ego coming up
with this system of free love or whatever it is.
You brought two children into the world. So I always
say to Lotus, what message are you sending them? Do
you want our little girl to go down this method
of sado masochism and go get free orgasms and so
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on to you? Or would you like the children to
show respect for their spouse show for example, the disrespect
that she shows is beyond. I mean, in both kids,
I can bring them in here right now, and they're
say it to anybody. They have watched this reprehensible behavior
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from their mom towards their dad. Undeserved, not perfect, but
nowhere near deserving of this treatment and only somebody programmed
would do something like this, because this is not the
way she was before. Is that what freedom is? Is freedom?
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Just okay, I'll just attack an illusionary enemy and make
an enemy out of that person, so I feel good
and justified. My son, oh, just the most sensitive not
a in phillyas not a good word. He's in tune
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feels and he has cried to her and one time
he was crawled up in her arms, as he told me,
and she starts going on about me, and it's just lies,
and he knows that they're lies. He lives this life.
He watches who Dad is the character that I am.
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But that doesn't mean anything when peers get together, when
her women's groups, women's groups get together, they're just going
to listen to one side of the story without feedback.
That's the way it is. And one's going to challenge her.
And then she finds people that won't challenge her. Tell you,
that's the one good thing about I'll seek it. I mean,
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I see, I got coaches, and I will seek being challenged,
including this. I run this by people. You know, don't
be bitter, don't be resentful, you know, to be you know,
all that stuff. I get it. I'll keep challenging myself,
but I'm also going to keep going with this. I
think this needs to be said because, as I said
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in a previous episode, with this woman who is talking
about this MLM multi level marketing pyramid cults that go
into go into you know, spirit, fake spirituality and all
that kind of stuff. Coaching I was made for. I'll
call myself on this. Someone said, well, you're a coach too,
(15:33):
so anyway, yeah, but hypocrite. I will defend it. I'm
going to defend it right now. My coaching comes from
experience and it comes from success. I've had a tremendous
amount of success that I come from nothing. So if
people want that story and they want that coaching of
someone who's actually been in the major leagues for a
(15:54):
very long time at a high, high level, then they'll
come to me for the coaching. This is part of
what I do, too, is the processing that being honest
with myself and others. There's a whole process that I
take people through in my coaching, and there's just a
ton of education, higher education, all of it. But these
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coaches have no experience. This woman is has made herself
into this Guru that she can just keep on pontificating
with these words, I will realize one of my children
to see me happy and care for them. And I
need my feminine needs taking care of all of this.
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The data women are going through, all of this is
just coming from someone who in the moment, this is
how she's feeling. It doesn't mean it's anything that will
be everlasting, like a marriage where you stay with the
vows and commit. I had said to my ex wife
many times, let's go to a let's go away. I'll
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pay for anything, Let's go away, Let's let's go on dates.
Let's try everything. You exhaust all of it before you
blow up a family of which you committed, You made
love with your husband or your wife, you had a
sacred pact. And I'm not saying you need to get out.
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I mean my first marriage, damn needed to get out.
That was really, really, really toxic. There was no way
out of that one, and I exhausted everything on that.
As a matter of fact, the iridy is I met
this wife, this last wife. I met her in the
Gape Spiritual Center trying to look at myself and what
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spiritual uplifting tactics whatever it is, how can I recondition
myself so I can be present in that marriage and
make that marriage work. So I really did exhaust something
for many reasons was never going to work. This one.
Apparently there's one of two things. She was fooling me
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the entire time, and that's really insidious. Or this woman
came in the cult leader and just took her away
at a vulnerable spot. Speaking of vulnerability, so the children
are really really upset with their mom that this was
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their decision. And I'll bet if I talk to Brokes kids,
it's the same thing. I'm positive you know the one
was beaten up by her boyfriend. I mean really, And
I happen to know because I have an investigator. I
happen to know that they're really unhappy. But Broke would
never show you that she's going to twist and propaganda
and whatever it is. That's what they do. My ex
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wife does it too. So here I am. Look how
happy we are. Let me show you us running out
of the water, hand in hand. Let's show these smiles
of all these thousands of people are with for these conventions,
for the multi level marketing. Let's just describe let's whistle
in the dark. Here. When it's dark, you're dark, no character,
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nothing that you really can say. I have integrity. I
back up my word. I can't believe sometimes how far
she has fallen. It's the saddest thing I've ever seen.
I go through anger, I go through grief, I go
through all the stages a lot. I just heard today
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she talked about conscious uncoupling. That's another word. I mean
that folks don't believe these words. So many of them
are just full of it. They say, they say that
it's a circle jerk. I've been at the top of
this too thing, but I'm in some organizations or was
as went well phony pony real is. Can you go
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through your obstacles? Can you go through your fears, your difficulties,
your addictions? Can you go through it with courage and conviction?
Can you? If I'm proud of anything in my life,
it's that still Standing. I'm gonna promote my podcast called
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Still Standing Up. Yeah, Still Standing Still Standing Up too,
Standing up doing comedy, which is a great cathartic experience.
But I cannot believe some of the routes, roads and
places that she's taken and taken all of us with
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her with nothing, no pause whatsoever. So we had a
It's funny. I was thinking about it today, about what
I was gonna talk about. So I did what a
couple of years ago I did, like every year and
a half, I did an intervention. I thought that it
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might work. And the person I went through was an
old friend of hers, because no one else is she
gonna meet with, So she's gonna meet with this friend
of hers. Now here we go again, Craig Peyton, red
flags green. This woman is red flags like Lama's a
rob with that big red flag attend a barricade. This
one is the reddest flag of all. I remember when
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we met her that she was gonna kill her son.
I mean she just did her baby. She's gonna drown them.
I mean this is like this was Lotus is like
one of her best friends. And I remember going, oh
my god, in a way, in a way, she raised
her son to hate her, to hate the husband who
moved Israel. No wonder you got the hell out started
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all of their family. But she really hurt this child
relationship with the father. Another one, and I didn't just
didn't see you because I was so desperate to have
an intervention. I thought, oh, she'll trust her. And she
supposedly is in this business of you know, I don't
even know what it was called. It was another They
just have names and you know, family units. And listen
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to this, she says, I'll charge you with like five
thousand thousand. No, I'm a chargeing the kind of money.
First of all, this is your best friend who's in
a cult, and I want you to come out here
from Rochester and come out and deal with her direct
and talk to her direct. That's why I thought she
had the skills, because she said she did because she
took these courses or whatever it was. Don't believe people
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if they say they take these courses that you know
nothing about. I shouldn't say don't believe them. But a
lot of times you might want to just unpeel that
onion a little more. And I didn't do that. I
paint the red flags green, so I fly her out.
I agree to pay for blah blah blah, including go
to take the kids to a lego store so we
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can sit in my living room with my ex wife
and the kids and build legos of what the family
looks like. I mean, it was okay. I just went
along with it. So we then walked to the park
and these kids, I don't want to cry, but I was.
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I was so proud of them what they did. Courage,
they mustered up. And if I teach anything to these children,
that's what I want to teach, be brave. And they did,
especially my son, my daughter. You know, I was eight
at the time. She can't really express herself as much,
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but she still did. But he got in there. He
told his mom with tears, what he witnessed, her violence,
her temper, tantrums, her leaving the family to spend hours
and hours upon hours, leaving the family that we committed
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to having a family to go be with this leader,
that she's been just following like a follower. And he
told her this in tears. He broke down there that
had a boy, had a boy. You just expressed your
truth of what he witnessed. He watched her attack me physically.
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He watched her, He watches her run out of rooms
like a I remember one time I was trying to
talk to her and she just ran down to seven
to eleven and we just walked along with her, and
she just she can put this face on and just
completely disassociate completely ignore it, and I'm just saying, please,
just please, just stop, let's have a conversation. That's I
whisper it. She treats it like an abuser. And back
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to the story really quick. He was under lap with
this other woman who I thought would be brave as well,
who I really admire, always loved their friend. I'll call her.
Let me say, I come up with these names that
are close, but they're not it. I'll call her Malvi. Maulvi.
I love because she's sober, She's been through a lot herself,
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and she, by the way, has stuck it out with
her family, stuck it out, committed, committed to her sobriety.
I admire someone like that. Sobriety means you're looking inside
of yourself, You're doing your own inventory, You're having the
courage to change the things you can, and wisdom to
know the difference. All those things happen if you're working
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a program of recovery from the way you were. So
I always admired Maulvie. I always love Maulvie as one
of the friends I really like. She didn't have resentment
and anger towards me. She wasn't shutting me down and
all that kind of stuff. But so my son was
at her house and my ex was so disassociated she
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didn't realize right in front of him, she's saying about
my abuse, and of course Malviy's not gonna think anything else.
But that's the truth because it's coming from my best friend,
one of my best friends. And that's the thing, folks,
I know, we don't want to believe that we are
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with a liar. We don't want to believe it. I
get it. Sow lies exist because you're just going to
denial and then you defend that person. You're angry at
the person that's saying they're a liar. I have that
happened all the time. People are offended by me. They'll
call me an isstan or a phobe or whatever instant
because I'm saying it's a lie. Nope, So Maulvie, I've
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reached out to her a few times, No, not gonna happen,
and he said, stop it, Mommy, stop it. She spreads
these rumors and a lot of these parents won't let
their kids be with my kids. This is the effect
that she has on the children. This is why the
broke types. This is where the leadership goes, is you
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become that family, that whack family, or he's the abuse.
Oh my god, stay away from him. So the kids
can't play. This is what she prevents them from having
true freedom and happiness. I ironically, that's what broke teaches
allegedly freedom. So now you jailed the kids from these rumors,
from treating their father like this, from the disrespect, the disdain,
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the deceit, all of those things that happened. That's what
they see. There's no way to live. That's not freedom.
Now they have to question everything. So Dad, we love
Jesus with such respect from we've watched it go through
hell and also just be there for us and supportive
and keeps us in this neighborhood and his beautiful neighbors.
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Guy coaches our teams and everything else. This is what
we see. She's saying something different. Imagine that to do
that to a child. So here we are in the
park with this friend of hers. I flew out from
Rochester that allegedly qualified, paying her way and everything else.
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He said, Oh it was meant to be. I was
gonna come out anyway and be with her. So basically
I paid for her to be with her friend. And
she double crossed me. She witnessed the following, the kid said,
the truth wasn't one word about me, and you will
never get a word about me out of them. And
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it's nothing to do with my program. He has nothing
to do with me, saying of them, it's just what
they witness They have witnessed constant violence from their mom,
blowing up the family for no reason. She didn't work
anything out, she didn't so many things. She just put
her power all into this woman. Broke doesn't make a
dime from these schemes, which are ever changing. They've watched
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all of this. They watched it all, they witnessed it.
They just bear witness to it. So this is what
he told her. He said, Mommy, you're just not the same.
It tells this to his sister, not the same since
you met Broke. He's trying to say to her, step away,
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leave her and come to us, because we brought them
into this world with prayer. I believed we were I
believed there was a spiritual intervention. I believed, and I
believed in my wife. I gave everything I could love wise,
I just was dedicated to this, even though a lot
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of times it was coming back cut off, and she said,
go have sex with anyone you want, because I'm not
gonna have it all that some tough times. No, no, no,
come on, It'll work out because she'll shift into consciousness.
She'll shift back to God and consciousness and higher source.
She'll shift back in there sometime. We can keep praying
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for that to happen. An opposite happened. I watched something
she's done this before. It looks demonic, like there's a
demon inside of her. And this is what worries me,
that she can access this dark, really dark. I've seen
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people freak out before fight whatever it is. It was
rumbling almost inside of her. Oh my god, she's having
an exorcism. I really thought that. I thought there was
an exorcism. I thought this is it. We did it.
We hit her bottom. She's gonna let this go. She
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just started stamping up and down, stamping. We all got scared.
No he did this to you, No, no, oh my god,
screaming at These kids were just vulnerable with her. They
just told her the truth that mommy, please stop, please
get to love, please get to you know, a connection.
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They weren't using those words, but this is what they
were saying essentially is please come back. Leave this selfishness,
this greed, this this terrible way that she is taking
this road of Like I was just reading these notes,
it's all about broke, It's all about her not considering
the children. Children first. For me, people will tell you
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this till the cows come home. I am not a
selfish guy. I am about other people's happiness. Is my happiness.
That's why make people laugh on stage. He used to
be selfish. So you know, I get the waitress's phone
number and all that kind of stuff, and I would
get attention all those things. Yes I initially was there.
Now and I get amazing seats and tickets and things.
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And all I do is just bring others and watch
the smiles on their faces. That's how I live. I
love to watch. I love to watch my ex wife
be happy, smile and laugh and experience all these things
which we we didn't until the very end. Just this
huge road trip with everybody. Was it a ruse? Well,
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that one was because of what she was planning. Screams
up and down, and the other fraud. What are we
calling her? We'll call her Liaisol to come close to
the names, so I can remember, Lysol takes her away
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and just hugs her and is not you know it,
tries to comfort her and take her down from this.
It seemed literally like somebody told me it's the Jezebel
spirit or whatever it is. There's something so dark and
sinister in her. This beautiful person has just given into
this dark side. I compare it to Anakin Skywalker. We
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watched the movie Star Wars, and you go, what the
hell you're gonna end up that? And what I try
to say to her is it, here's your family, like Luke,
like Leah, here's your family. We're here, we love you.
And I don't want her to live her life where
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at the very end, her last breath, she finally gets it.
Think about that. That's how the righteous are such a
mythological beautiful story. And I don't know beautiful, but it's
really It hits home the whole Star Wars thing. We
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by the way, we all love Star Wars. Me and
the kids watch them all and they can see the similarities.
They've watched. Mom is Darth Vader now and she's good
to them and everything else, and it's not like every
day they're suffering whatever it is, but they tell me
all the time. We'd much rather be with you dad,
you know. And I'm not telling them anything. They're just observing.
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She's gone. Now she's got another she's a boyfriend. I
don't know what's going on with that. She said it
would be a conscious uncoupling. We wouldn't introduce them to
They know his name, they know all his kids' names
and everything else. Another violation, And this is she just
can't keep her word. And I keep saying, why do
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you want to do this to the children, Why do
you want to send this message to them. We had
a wonderful relationship where we've showed them, you know, we
did gratitude lists around the table, we did what I
Love about you around the table, all these beautiful up
lifting things that broke. When she's talking about these broken
marriages or whatever it is, she's not asking what we
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really do or how it really exists. She's assuming that
everybody's like her in a loveless, sexless marriage, whatever it is.
So that's you. You do everything you can to make
something work, and I'm talking about work, whatever it is.
Whatever you're committed to, you remain committed as much as
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you can. This was not even she treated this breakup
like a pop and a pimple. Not easy. I don't
know how much time I've been here, because I have
to watch my time here. I want to tease the
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next scenario. What happened, big surprise. I forgot to tell you,
Lysol does a write up completely lies, just the whole
opposite of what happened. My children were shocked by this
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right up. But she did it for her friend so
much so that I threatened her. I said, I'm gonna
have you want to spread the word about you. You're
a fraud. Then I found out by the way I
did a little dive big problems with her son. She's
a bad news person too, and just comes across and
watch to hear the impression. Oh, let's get some legos
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and let's play with the legos and this is what
we do. Yeah, she literally talks like that, and I
found out she's another fraud. I knew it already, but
I'm just going to denial. I go into denial so much,
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including my ax, I just kept thinking, maybe even still
think that you'll out of it and become who she
really is. Again, I don't know. I want you to
know the power though the power of a cult leader.
Is this strong that someone can end up I've seen.
I watched the documentaries I watched. My father was a
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cult leader. Some of the memories I have of him
and his Pocono adventures on mules, and he had a
harem of women. If I said this before, pardon me
if I repeat it. But I was doing a show
in the Poconos. This is the blue collar honeymoon capital
of the Northeast. It's got it's the tackiest place you've
ever seen. This guy's giving me a tour of it.
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They hired me, and I'm the big guy from Hollywood.
They have no idea I'm from Pennsylvania originally or anything
like that. Send a limo at the airport and there
I am. And he said, the guys give me. He's
got this accent from Shimokin. He goes, Oh, Craig, let
me show you a place here. I'll never forget these
words when he says this. And I hadn't seen my
dad in a long time. I'm in and out of
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my life. Entrepreneur, here's this one out loud, just like Lotus.
Here were his multi level marketing. He had bras that
he had my mom. Invite her big breasted friends over.
Only the big breasted ones, he said. If she wants
to Barbara, you want your child support check, invite your
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friends over. I'm selling Bras Bros. Meets Amway, multi level
marketing with Bros. I hadn't seen him in years. I poke.
I poked my head in the living room. There he
is smoking a pipe with my aunt Barbara and Dottie
Aunt fran in Bras. Go ahead, Dottie, turn around, show
how lifts and separates. This is the three class model
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for the full figured woman. Don't be sure, just you
women and me. That's that's that was my dad converted
cesspols the sewers. I caught a shark one year. Next
thing I know, he buys these landing crafts, those things
from North. He got them for a dollar. Just repair, repair,
the bullet holes, will make short boats, and it's fuller
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brushes and so many things. Vitamins the first guy who
sell vitamins. And then he got the mules, this whole
mule excursion thing. Then he has another idea. He goes,
you know, the white water people, when they're done, they
got no way home. We go pick them up. Pedals
and saddles pretty clever. Actually, sometimes by the way, the
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multi level marketing people, it's clever, and you buy into
it because it's they got a good pitch. Old Brokes
got some good pitches going on that people fall for.
But you have to go beneath you to She literally
has a photo a few of them, where she's covered
in money and bills. It's for the photo. It's a photo, folks.
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You really think she's as a bed of bills. That's
the illusion. That's what she created for my ex wife.
You can have freedom, you know, with this guy for
all these years, you know, go get another guy and
go get dominated and have sado mass go get beaten,
sado masochism, whatever they're doing BDSM and all this, go
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come this whole other way. You don't want to be
settling into that. And no, look at me, I'm free.
I'm gonna brag about this and all these posts, bragging
about all of my orgasms. And you can have it too.
You can have this freedom, mom is get your sovereign freedom.
Get out of your golden cage. Here's the second. She says,
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more trust in our relationships means the more orgasms. That's
what broke says, and the next person commenting is Lotus
saying this is going to be amazing with a lot
of exclamation points, amazing. Make your marriage amazing. That's the
choice you have you if you're in a relationship, make
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it as good as you can. That's my tip. Do
whatever you can do to go past your discomfort, your fears.
Find out what it is you loved about that person
to begin with. Don't follow someone else because they've got problems.
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They're just projecting. They can't look at themselves. They're deflecting
and projecting reflect They're not reflecting upon themselves on what
else they can do to find they're mate attractive again.
It happens. But I was just told a statistic about
seventy percent of marriages they fail because of the woman
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is the one that breaks it up, the woman who's
over forty. What happens over forty. This is a statistic.
It's a proven have chemical changes, hormonal changes, so it's
not even that person who's reacting. So the idea is
to take care of that as much as possible. Men
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to whatever you're going through. You go through anger, resentment,
that's only gonna kill you. But you were you're projecting
and put it onto someone else. It doesn't serve any purpose.
And that children are watching, they're also gonna watch if
you grow and transform and work on yourself. I offered
her to go to buy ron Katie, and I paid
for this other thing called mitt something that I had
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taken before. These are courses, Landmark Forum. Yes, I support
all of those things. And she goes in there and
she has other people, You're the greatest, and there we
go again, more wellness scripters. There we go, You're so incredible,
lotus all and then all about her being a coach.
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It's all vanity, all ego that's running the show. I
like to say in my coaching program. So I like
to say, ego is evading growth opportunity, evading your own
growth growth opportunity. So where can you grow? So this
is a little message oriented this podcast. It's also a warning.
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It's an expression of sadness maybe for you as well,
maybe you're going through something. I will get to some
of the other details, but I would like to conclude
by saying, no matter what, there is hope, No matter what,
there is faith, access to faith in the highest source,
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whatever you want to call it. Jesus, Christ, God, Buddha Allah.
It doesn't matter what serves you and your higher purpose
is this magnificence that exists inside of you. Every single
one of you has this. I don't care how bad
you think someone is, they still have it. This beautiful,
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beautiful potency, this beautiful essence, this light, this love, light
and levity. That's who we are. And then we have
departures from it. So I'm disappointed at her friends and
her family have reached out to them, and they just
think that I'm just some you know, bitter X. It's
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not that I feel horrible for this road that she took,
and I feel terrible that another husband reached out to
me and this broke did it to that wife as well.
At the first time She's done this, not the last.
This is what are things? We have a mob, So
she says, it's a mom. She misery loves company. Everybody
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just understand that these leaders need company. They go for
vulnerable people. Just look up how cults will operate. My
father operated like that. They make sure that they're needed.
This guy's giving me a tour of the place in
the Poconosa. Go over here, Craig, you got your rock
a ball. Here, you got your quoits. You know what
coits are? He goes, here's the line. Oh my gosh,
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there's Aj Shumaker and his harem. What's that nott doing here? Whoa?
And I got to say these words? That's my dad.
There he was the city guy. All of a sudden
he's mountain man again. Phony you go, selfish guy. Never
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gave me a gift his entire life as my father,
except he gave me the gift of leaving because I
got to be connected with my true father inside of me.
That's what I encourage you to do, and connect to
your true mother, your true father inside of you. They
never leave. That's the opportunity he gave me, evading growth opportunity.
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So don't let my ego run the show. And there
he was, showed up on my show that night he
signed people up from mule Rides. Don't who taught you everything?
You know? Knocks at my door the next day. There
he is with part of his harem. Took my cheese tray,
my complimentary cheese tray for the celebrity. Oh take this
to the girls of the rants E. Judy loves Guda.
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Takes my cheese tray signs people up like we're some
happy family. Oh what it looks like to the ego people,
to the selfish, to the That's what Lotus has become
and justifies these actions, this terrible behavior, conscious uncoupling. We
won't use lawyers. She's on her second lawyer. They attack,
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they take money. She steals money no matter what I say,
lies about her finances. And here's what I want you
to know. If you're gonna get involved in business with her,
I'll tell you what the numbers are that she writes
down so she gets more support from me. By the way,
isn't that a great system that we're under. I have
to pay her for forever and the kids, you know,
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to support the kids with the top ram and I
got to, you know, thousands of dollars. This is what
she did first once she left. I'll get to that.
Terrible it's all terrible, tragedy, sad story. Maybe something will
come out of it. I don't. I do have hope.
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It's always good to have that. My buddy a brain cancer,
my buddy, Michael Goldberg Golds. They gave three months to live.
So when I started this laughter Heels program, a story
he showed up for all of it, all the prescriptions,
and you know, he definitely did all the other stuff
of the chemo. Whatever he had, hope, had hope, laughter,
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led to hope, joy fulfillment, his daughter wanted to live.
For his daughter. He lived fifteen years past that prognosis.
He had hope, and I have hope no matter what,
no matter even even if she continues to go down
this slide. And there's more, by the way, there's more.
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So just keep self examining. I'm gonna keep doing that.
I have an appointment tomorrow morning with another coach, So
I said, nuts too. People that uplift me, that's what
I need. I'm want to stay in that high vibration.
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And the kids are so happy in this house. They
tell their mom too, say I cannot believe that she
would live a life where they tell or flat out
we'd rather be with dad. She doesn't care, just doesn't care,
just whatever she wants. I don't you know, I'm just
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one of those things. Yeah, you just go. I don't
get it how someone can take that dark road. But
maybe there's hope. She finds help and her friends be
a friend, be a friend and ask her the truth
and go to the kids first. If you want to
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know the truth, who have witnessed all of it. I'm
gonna tell you right now, and I'll read some of
these text messages. Just Rundle threatened me with nothing is
true on my end, with abuse the X other X
tried it. It's not true. And I'll take light detector
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tests if the kids speak. They have seen it all
violence only on one person, this innocent lotus with a
flower name. Now, in this business, that's about empowerment, feminity,
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wellness and health and love. Love wins, Love does win.
It's hateful. She took a road of hate. It's cruel.
It's cruel to do to me, to the children. It's
cruel for the children to witness this. And you don't stop,
not even a pause, no apology. She's not afraid of me.
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Night she called and said come over, make love to her.
She cried her eyes out and we did. No fear.
It's a lie, no fear of me. She's fear of
the truth. Some people have fear of the truth. Remember
that for you you are I'm gonna keep being who
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I am. The truth does set you free. This woman's
in a prison of her own making. The children they
hurt from it. They're doing fine. We still have lots
of laughs, but they also have that sadness that they
will carry with them the rest of their lives. Be
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goes and wonder why in the world. I said to them,
I said, what are you going to tell your spouses
someday on the reason your parents broke up? Lots of
parents should break up. We've heard that all my parents
should have been divorced years before that they stayed married
because of us. Yeah, I get it, Yes, it happens
all the time. But I guarantee also, those parents aren't
working that hard on themselves. I guarantee you that you
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really shouldn't fight to that level. Have the children see
that you really should work on yourself so you don't
have that frequency within you that you would would allow
you to stay in resentment, stay in your rage and
misplaced rage and put it on them. Yes, you're not
working on yourself. I guarantee if I work on myself
that doesn't manifest. And I have snapped, that's for damn sure.
(52:01):
As a certain point I've snapped. It's been really debilitating,
sometimes paralyzing. So why would somebody do this? Betrayal to
the ultimate. I'm gonna talk about that, write that down. Betrayal.
It's a theme in my life. I don't like it.
(52:21):
It's like something that I've got to live through and
understand and free myself. All right, anyway or in store,
And I hope you're enjoying this. I don't know if
you're enjoying it, but it might be intrigued. I don't
know if it's inspiring, but it could be engaging. I
(52:45):
stay out of the results. Three people could end up
listening to this and it's okay, But I hope you
hope you stay with me till the next one. How
about that one? I'm a going
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