August 6, 2024 • 59 mins
In Episode 1, we begin our journey into the heart of a family's darkest hour. Our host recounts the early days of his ex-wife's alarming transformation, from subtle changes in behavior to her full immersion into a destructive cult. With gripping detail, he describes the initial shock and confusion, the red flags that were ignored, and the chilling moment of realization that his family was in grave danger. This episode sets the tone for the series, shedding light on the insidious nature of cult influence and the devastating impact it can have on loved ones. Join us as we explore the beginnings of this harrowing tale, where the fight for truth and the safety of his children becomes paramount.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello, How do you start these things? Especially something called
my wife joined a Cult? I thought of many other titles.
I've thought of different methods to deal with this. I've
thought a lot. It's a lot of contemplation, mindfulness, also consternation, resentment, anger.
(00:30):
I'd just been through all of it. It's like the
stages of grief because it's now my ex wife. My
wife joined a cult, and that's where things went. And Hello,
my name is Craig Shoemaker. I have to give some background.
I always assume that people know because I've had a nice,
beautiful career in show business, mostly stand up comedy. A
(00:54):
lot of people know me is the love master. So
tis though I don't master the love thing, I certainly
have given it a shot. Can't say that I haven't.
This is not my first marriage. We'll get to all
of it. We'll get to all of it. I'm going
(01:15):
to tell you a story, and I like to state
my intentions first, because a lot of me is about
being honest and transparent. I think that's what made me
a good stand up and transparent wise. I already recorded
episode one. I sent it to some people along with
two other episodes that they loved and the first one
(01:37):
they didn't love as much because I didn't set up
the story. And that's what I'm going to do here
with intention, and the intention is always been a solution
guy since day one. I make fun of myself and
my act. I've done rescuing since I was a kid.
(01:59):
My day I had left when I was born, somebody
said wow, and then came the man of the house.
And this was a real process from day one, minute one,
looking for something outside of myself to fulfill this longing
inside of me that existed from the get And so
(02:25):
a lot of this is going to be process. A
lot of us will be discovery, my own discoveries, and
the rumble stumbles, fumbles, crumbles and fumbles and tumbles, all
of it, and the hope would be as it always is.
I was trying to fix my mom up with tell
(02:47):
stories about I'll open up with one of them. I
used to collect baseball cards and I'm one of My
mom married so bad because my dad, she thought his
name was doesn't pay the child support. I thought that
was his name. I mean constantly talked about that and
he really wasn't there very much. And here's the irony.
By the way, he became a cult leader. He ran
(03:09):
a cult called Pocono Adventures Own Mules. By the way,
part of the problem with being a comic is go
is he making this up? I actually don't even talk
about my dad and my act all these years because
it's such a crazy story, and my life remained crazy apparently.
I don't know. Is it my destiny, is it my karma?
(03:29):
Is it my karma from a past life or this life.
I don't know. We'll question these things, we'll get to it.
But it's a story I think that needs to be
told for a lot of reasons. Maybe people also share
the abandonment that I felt growing up and the need
to fulfill this something inside of me, to fill that hole.
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I mean, a lot of people go through certain things
in their lives. Some people ignore it, some people don't.
Seems like they don't even have issues. And I got
a lot of shoes. So the journey will be about
I believe one of my intentions is that someone steps
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in and helps our children get their mom back. I mean,
it's fifty to fifty custody and all that, but she's gone.
The person that I fell in love with, that had
these beautiful children with is gone. And it's the saddest
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thing I've ever seen in my life. I've been through
tragedies in my life. I've had really difficult things. I
was kidnapped when I was a kid by a serial pedophile.
I've just I was beaten drugs and alcohol and theft
and so many things that I've been through. One thing,
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I is resilient though, made it through all of it,
including a divorce before which that two children with that,
and she came after me with everything she had, and
that really blew up a lot of lives that desire
to really take me down. And that was a whole
other That's the whole other book. But this one, I
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don't know if there's I guess I could have hope
that someone might listen, like a friend of hers, and
step in and say, hey, wake up, wake up. You
need to move away from this person. It has you,
this person that brainwashed you. We're gonna call her the person.
I don't want to get sued. I'll get into that later,
(05:44):
but we're gonna call her broke because that's what you'll
end up to be if you deal with her. And
we'll call my ex wife, we'll call her Lotus because
that's her new name that she has now. Yeah, Lotus,
It's all part of it. And Lotus and I began
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our journey together as friends. I was trying to actually
deal with my ex wife at the time, wife before
who you know, you know, really some very very hard
stuff to deal with. Accusations and allegations was just a nightmare.
I still held on to fifty percent custody, but that
was not easy and it cost me. It costs emotionally, spiritually,
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it costs financially. It was a really, really a train
wreck from someone that just could not deal with her
own stuff. And I think that's the case here. I'm
not going to be a clinician. I'm going to tell
you some facts and some speculation in what things could be,
but that's what they are. And I'll name some things
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as just fact and you can decide for yourself or
And one of the things that really there's me about
her is she would never get seek help or a
diagnosis for any of the things that were happening, which
were It was a lot really bother Somehow someone can
just be that arrogant, narcissistic to believe that you have
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no issues to take care of with a professional. Now
she goes to people. We'll get to that. I'm going
to do a lot of We'll get to that. Just
put the kids to bed, and I just wanted to
come in here and share this journey, share this story
with you with hope someone might step in the speculation.
(07:40):
Is it alien possession? Is it demonic possession? Is it menopause?
Is it midlife crisis? Is it bipolar? She has two
brothers who committed suicide within three weeks and one another,
And it's actually how we met. Was it this a God
based spiritual sat I've been going for years to get
(08:03):
to me everything in life in success, and I've had
a lot of success in life with the relationships and
business and so forth I've had. I've had a ton
of awards and rewards and beautiful friendships long lasting from
kindergarten a television show with a guy from third grade.
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I mean, I really stay connected with people, and it's
one of the reasons why I think our family has
benefited from this as well. There's a worldliness that I
passed on to the kids, intelligence, spirituality, intuitive sense, gratitude.
That's a real big one. We've done at the dinner
table since all the kids were little, and this was
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my goal is to bring these values. And I get
these values a lot from agape. I mean I learn
a lot about higher source, higher power, lovelight, levity, whatever
it is. That's what I teach when my coaches love
light born that way, that's what we have, this potency
that wishes to be released. And I was there to
deal with at the time my very difficult situation with
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just accusing me. I remember it was had my son,
he was a baby and he was screaming a colic
and she comes down, what are you doing to him? Like, Oh,
that's where it started. And it got sick from there,
just sick. And I must tell you all throughout this
story that being a big white guy is not easy.
I'm not trying to play victim ever, but that's the
(09:35):
deal is people are going to assume, even you listening now,
some people are going to listen to go, oh, listen
to this guy. He's he's got to be guilty of
something or whatever it is. And I understand that there's
assumptions are going to take place, especially being a guy
who's got a voice, and people say, well, she doesn't
have a voice. Well she does, and she's used her
voice quite a bit on social media. And so I'm
(09:58):
a god by literally it's taking courses. These were certified
courses and spirituality. And there she was Lotus, and we
became friends. Talked in the parking lot a lot of
philosophical stuff. This is probably about twenty three years ago,
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twenty two years ago or so. And then I would
take my son there on a Sunday and that was
at night. I'd take my son there, and so she
knew my son a little bit, had opinions about our relationship.
I remember that she's just this really peaceful, beautiful person, Lotus,
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and it was like this connectedness that we had. She
lived in a treehouse with no I mean, she had
to go to the bathroom like forty yards away in
the woods to Panga and seemed to really love it.
That was her choice. But she was there to deal
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with the trauma of these two brothers that committed suicide
within three weeks and one another. So which has to
do with my concern about mental illness being possibly passed on.
And I don't know what that mental illness is, but
obviously that's what takes place if you have people that
take their own lives and add to that pride. And
they're from Japan. And I'm not being racist, I tell
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you this, but she's the one that said in the beginning,
when we're certainly getting along, it's a certain pride that
takes place, a stubbornness with that culture. But it didn't
come into play. We were just friends. And when I
got divorced, we're on our way there one night actually
as friends, and it was a nighttime service, and we
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stopped for sushi and that was it. That was the day,
for sure, a major bolt of love. I was particularly
fascinated and fell for it had been New Year's is
about seventeen eighteen years ago. It was New Year's and
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I said, what'd you do? And I'm not a big
party reveler. I don't drink anymore for many years. And
I was really taken by her journey when she said
that she she searched for the sunrise, for the nicest
sunrise on the mountain, and she hiked like at four
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in the morning, in the dark. And she also cleaned
her place. She had a little cabin and she cleaned
her place. And I remember her talking about this, and
I was just so fascinated by her, and I just
felt such an intimacy and a closeness. We were friends,
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but it was very casual, but this was it. And
I remember I said, she says to me. At the
end of the we didn't end up at a gape.
We'd ended up this great conversation. I looked up and
there was this huge game, one of the most historic
games in college football history, was going on in a
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television I recall, and I didn't care. That's how enthralled
I was with her. I was just listening and really
paying attention to who this person is. And I fell
in love. And that night was made fun of ourselves,
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or I made fun of myself. Where we ended up,
I was I started to go over options because I
was newly single. I was pretty newly single, and I'm
not very good at dating. You want to want to
go back to my place? She's like, what watch a movie?
And I said, why don't we go to the movies?
So we ended up going to the movies, this really
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dark movie, I think it's called Sirianna and for a
Walk on the Beach, and I think I got her
to love me because she was about to trip over
a puddle and I grabbed her and that was her moment.
We both had those moments that night. And this is
the key to my opinion is and I believe we
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had a great marriage. I think I think the key
is to see the person for who they truly are,
and they see you for who you truly are. And
I truly, no matter what people think about me or whatever,
everybody's their opinions, I know in a non cocky, arrogant,
egotistical way, I know I'm a really great person with
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a giant heart, with the mistakes and everything else, but
that's who I am. And she saw that, and I
saw her for who she truly is. And I used
to say, the greatest human being I ever met was Lotus.
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It's not her name, but the greatest person I ever met.
And I used to say to people, there's not even
a second and third place. There's no silver or bronze medal.
She's the great. She's all three. And you might say, oh, yeah,
her on a pedestal. Yeah, I probably did, but that
pedestal was also a lifting up of her spirits. Always
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make her laugh. It's my job in life, but it's
also what I love to do period with one on one,
one on two, whatever it is. I love to make
people happy that wanders in to rescue. Though I was
telling you about my mom, I try to fix her
up with guys all the time. I collected baseball cards.
I could care less what they hit. I look for
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one thing on the back of the car, marital status.
I could still tell you the Philadelphia Phillies when I
was a little boy, that Larry bow was married to
Shana Bow. As I discarded his card, interested Greg Lezinski
was married. I'm gonna tell you he was married. There's
a guy who's a catcher, Tim McCarver. I said, look, Mom,
this guy's a catcher and I'm a pitcher. You can
adopt me and he can marry you. And he already
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won a World Series with the Cardinals, and she does.
He doesn't want me, Yes he does. And I wrote
him letters. Dear Tim McCarver, you should meet my mother.
Here's her photo, her belly dancing outfit. Kidding, my mom
did belly dance. And he never wrote me back. But listen,
things take time, folks. I told Joe Buck that story.
That Joe Buck is his broadcast partner for years Tim
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McCarver for many years. Joe Buck laughed at the story.
Next time, then I get I think Joe, Joe got
a ball signed by Tim McCarver, and I get this
ball and it says, dear son, time to grow up.
Love Dad aka Tim McCarver. That was the dreamer that
I always was. And there's there's part of that in here.
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I see red flags and paint them green. I get it.
I really do. I have these patterns that certainly are there,
and in this discovery I might be able to find
out what happened in this pattern when this person got
together with an influencer, a cult type leader. People say,
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what kind of cult is she? And it's not people.
There's a scientology. Look a lot of people. There's no
one in a cult. By the way, the believes they're
in a cult. I guarantee you that my dad had
a cult. Run the mule rides. You had all these women.
It called his harem literally said, I'm the King of Poconos.
That's his blue collar honeymoon capital of the Northeast, the mountains.
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These mules and horses and seventy five of them, and
take people on these rides. Adventure rides and the women
he would hit, a mother, daughter and so forth. And
they didn't think they were a cult either. I mean,
they just think there were whatever, But no one ever does,
and that includes my ex wife. Will not call this
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person a cult leader, but I'll describe it, and you
probably will find that to be the case. I'm going
to read something someone else that was subjected to a
woman like this woman broke. It's this. I call them
wellness grifters. I got that term from my friend Claire,
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and such a perfect term. And I've been around them
for a long time and it's just this, these peaceful
people who allegedly are about divine connection and ethereal connection
and God and consciousness and mindfulness and presence and all
of that. That's the alleged thing. And I get it.
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They might be, might be their intention, but so many
of them are a criminal. I and this woman and broke,
I will be describing for you what she did and
what she does with women. She calls her mama's It's
all part of the game that she plays. She plays.
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It's a certain casting call that she has mothers of children.
But the women are middle aged, they have a husband,
who's probably like me, you know, large and in charge allegedly,
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so she hits all those points and lures lures the
women in. And it is women too. She directs it
to women. Even though there's a man involved now who
threatened my life. Weren't going to get to that too.
Some of this is also my intention is to protect
myself and my children. If something happens now, it's recorded
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and you'll know why it happened and how what happened
and who did it. And there are crimes and I'm
not just not hyperbole. There are crimes that have been
committed A lot this person. Lotus has gone from this
person I believe to be filled with integrity. We took
this course together. It was all about integrity. This is
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what we were founded in. And we brought these children
to the world and literally prayed for them to be here.
We prayed for one and then the next one. We
prayed for a girl and there's oh my god, they're
the most beautiful and they're they're they're like, I've never
even been around kids like this. They don't have any
brat moments. And then ever since the divorced, they're very
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he is well, they're very protective of one another, with
each other all the time. He's fourteen, she's ten. I mean,
who does that. She's like the precocious little comedian and
he's always with her. Just tonight, they were just having
this contest like it was Survivor, giggling and laughing and
we're just making I said, here, make a recipe. We're
all going to cook together tomorrow. We just do so
many things together, so much fun. Their mom blew it
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up based on she was influenced by this woman who
allegedly is about business and it's MLMs and I'm going
to read this. So someone sent me a video and
I transcribed it with my chicken scratch handwriting, and this
is this is. They've been in I think seven different
businesses together, broken lotus, including another cult that they're involved in.
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But let me just hear this is from a woman.
So I'm always afraid of the sexist thing, and you know,
thinking that I'm the victim blaming and you know, I'm
still hurting, Yeah, I am. I am hurting. I'm hurting
for the children so much that this was done to them.
My son innocently and he's literally like a seventy five
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year old, old soul dude. He turns to Chloe. He says,
you never knew mommy before broke used their real name obviously,
and he knew her before before she went this tumble
down this road with this woman who is just I'm
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trying not to use adjectives. I'm just going to give
you the words that she uses herself. I'll read some
of her posts. It's a cult. I heard from another guy.
She had that woman leave that marriage. She influences women
to leave their marriages too, for these because she did it.
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And I just the cults are usually the MLMs or
that's multi level marketing usually, and I, by the way,
was involved in one as well. But I was about
the product. This product hold was three, and my god,
I loved it. It's like this liqunutritional. I was all
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about it. But you have to get people under you
and all that crap. I never did like that crap,
but I do understand it. You're not paying for advertising.
It's not big corporations and things like that. I'm not
knocking that necessarily, but like anything, when you don't have
like someone in charge or you're real really you know leaders,
and it's people go one MLM to the next and
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it's just like anything. You know, you go to an
alcoholics anonymous meeting, there's filled with crazy people. If there's
a few people that are really sober and really work
it and all that kind of stuf. I mean, it's
just just anywhere you go. Religions are all bastardized by people.
I mean, it's just the way it is. So you
can't say it's all MLMs. But and a lot of
them come out of Utah. So someone who knows Lotus
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and has watched this descent, I've been sent at least
thirty emails with concern some people Lotus and broke rip
them off. I mean, this is a descent. It's not
only about the family. This is about someone who's just
taken this dark, dark path. And so this is what
this woman says on an not an Instagram, a TikTok video.
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Someone I don't know, but someone I do know sent
it to me and said, boy, does this look familiar
and she's talking about Well here, I'll read it to you.
So this is a woman talking to the camera. Utah.
You let me know when you are ready to talk
about this weird, bizarre, unsettling phenomenon among influencers in Utah,
specifically influencers that have been influencing for a long time.
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They were bloggers like Broke. They were influencers like Broke.
They build up a following like Broke. You know, it's
not a real name. I'd say the number of times
that's a name we're going to use because I don't
want to be threatened again. My life was threatened and
threatened to take the children away, yeah, by Broke and
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her boyfriend. They were influencers. They build up a following,
and now they're starting cults. There's the use of cult.
Maybe that is too niche. Their stating cult slash MLM
slash coaching slash cultural Eastern philosophy and Indigenous religion appropriation.
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You know, I didn't say that, so how I talk.
But I'm with her because that's what my experience has
been as well. It's effing weird. I'll try to keep
this clean. People are shelling out thousands and thousands of
dollars for these women. See and it's a woman saying
this who have no credentials, And boy, does that ring
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true to me? This Broke has no credentials and she
pummeled this information and opinions into my now ex wife.
Hundreds and hundreds of hours spent on zoom with the
ear pods, leaving the family and just listening to this woman.
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And they literally call it listening parties. You're not allowed
at feedback, no accountability, no feedback. That's what she did.
And that's all part of this multi level marketing. They
blend it, and they blend it with the words she said,
efen weird. She says, these women to do any of this,
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this is ef and weird. I don't know what's happening.
Like they are leveraging their audience. A lot of whom
are women who have left their religion or they're in
the middle of trying to figure out what they believe.
And that's what happened with Lotus as well. One of
the problems I believe we had is we just stopped
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going to a gape. We stopped bonding in prayer and
so on. And when you have a higher source and charge,
the other stuff gets taken care of because that's all powerful.
It's a wonderful way to go. And we've stopped and
there you go. There's one of the things that happened.
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But then she went somewhere else to this broke and others,
and she says, and they're exploiting them like big time.
There's one person I'm thinking about in particular, and it's
the weirdest effing shit. You go on her page and
it's nonsense. Where whoa wait till I read the nonsense.
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It's unbelievable. When the boyfriend threatened me says, well, you
know it's libel, slander or whatever it is. It's like,
all I gotta do is read this stuff. I don't
even have to have an opinion. You'll see for yourself.
It's insanity. And my ex fell for it. The words
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are nonsense. They make literally no sense. They're made up words.
It's like a conglomerate conglomeration of all these different buzzwords
of like WU. She has no credentials to do this.
You're being scammed. You could use this money. Women are
maxing out their credit cards for this. You could put
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in an actual therapy. I've said that as well. Go
to a clinician, go to an expert, go to someone
that says, here's how you can deal with your trauma
about your brothers and your whatever it is, your family,
whatever it is what your marriage work. Get out, do
everything you can do. And how sad it is to
watch this fall, this stubborn, prideful fall into actual crime
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crimes being committed by this woman who is an upper
level spiritual, upper level good person, a therapist who follows
a code of ethics. This broke has no ethics. They
pretend they do. They all pretend. Oh the social media posts,
way you hear these? I don't know, guys, it's weird
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and I feel like, who who's talking about this? And
there you go, I am, I'm talking about it. It's
a warning shot, it's an intervention. It's filled with hope
as well maybe someone can step in. It's at the
darkest possession. I can't even believe sometimes her behavior. It's
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just shocking to me. And it started off. Broke came
into our lives. I introduced them many many years ago,
and it's one of those things, there's this little thing.
It's like a harbinger of things that come. But I
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let it go, and obviously so did Lotus. She sold
us on a multi level marketing insurance program and at
the time, Lotus had moved out of the treehouse to
my beautiful house at a beautiful house, and I remember,
forget this is part of my little rescue wee thing.
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I'll never forget the feeling I had about her, good
feeling about being in my giant tub. And it was
as big as her place that she came from. She
lived in a treehouse and here she was. I remember
I walked in on her and she had these headphones on.
She was screaming ballroom Blitz. I'll tease her about that
blitz Blitz, ballroom blitz. And it's so much fun, It's
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so much laughter. And we would go to a gape,
go to a landmark forum, do all these things to
just keeping rich, keeping riching ourselves. And it was just
so incredible. And by the way, became a great step
mom to my other kids. Like I don't even know
how I would have done it, especially goodn't to deal
with the false allegations. She protected me on that. I
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don't know where I'd be if she wasn't there for that.
So bless her. Oh, by the way, I want to
read a the Woo Wu this the woman was just
talking about the Woo woo the words. This is one
of the gurus that they go to for medicine. Journeys.
I don't know if you know what a medicine journey is,
but they take some hallucinogenics and go to an other place.
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And this is the woman. This is her page radiance, Unleashed, unapologetic,
provides biz Oracle learn to monetize your magic online Queen.
This is all part of their group accelerating human consciousness
while getting financially free and making a global impact. I
(31:35):
love that. I'm just gonna lay this out for you.
I don't even need opinion, and then you'll maybe you'll
join up, maybe you'll find out Lotus's information and get
in her down line. Shadow Priestess Psychedelic. I have never
even heard of Curanderk's see you are an d E
r X. She's been on several journeys. This was the
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shaman that she went to. Came back from the journey
and says, I'm taking a coaching program, as WHOA what
are you talking about? From this same person that's nine
thousand dollars And she just did it and I couldn't
do anything about it. That's a really frustrating thing when
someone just blatantly. She stole money, constantly moved in into
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accounts and that one she just went to and let
men get labeled misogynists and sexist if you protest because
it's half and half and it's you know, it's community
property and all that kind of stuff. It's just how
it works. I don't know about fair or whatever the cases.
These are just the facts. This is just what happened.
I remember going, WHOA, No, you can't do that, and
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I went, now what do I do? It's kind of
like I'm raising kids. They have these things that are
theories that have no proven ground. That's I think a
lot of problem in society, like boundaries that doesn't exists.
It's ridiculous people just wipe those away. Then what do
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you do the boundaries are violated. I remember the word consequence.
My first son was born. You're in a consequence. Put
him in his room. I leave the room, follows me
out of the room. I go, what are you doing?
He goes, the timeout's over. So he decided timeout was over.
Theoretical things they need some proving ground, and a lot
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of them don't work, especially in this world, the woo
wool world that they're in. It's theoretical holding space and
all these things that they do in that world in
that realm of pretend, and it's phony, and it's just
so sad to watch this descent into darkness when allegedly
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it's light. And I'm shocked on practically a daily basis
at the behavior. It's shocked sucking to see where this
woman took her. And obviously she's responsible. Lotus is very
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she's an adult, she's responsible. I'm somewhat responsible as well.
Accountability is just so important not to be victims. This
is part of my accountability. You'll hear a lot about
what did I draw in What's my pardon this? I'm
one hundred percent responsible, but definitely one hundred percent responsible
for any resentments I have, and resentments are a killer.
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I'm not about that. I have ways to release those resentments,
and I'm going to give those tips to you as well.
I do coaching, by the way, I really enjoy that
so much. The alchemy of laughter. Laughter is so important.
I hope you giggled once in a while in this too.
It's an allegedly tragic story. I don't really look at
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it that way. I look at things like in that way.
But there's a lot of grief going on too. So
this woman Broke sells this insurance. It's like this thing
you're gonna pay. There's like people under you and stuff
like that. And Lotus handled that, and then she just
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took off. This Broke just takes off and moves to
New Mexico and leaves us with another agent or whatever. Well,
where's all the stuff you just promised us? You just
promised it. These people and now Lotus have no ethics
and do not honor their words, their vows, their commitments.
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They don't. They live in a selfish, ego maniacal world
that they can do anything and be okay with it,
including theft and some other really bad things. Shocking. This
woman so beautiful. Our kids are, Oh, they're just these
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magnificently little angels. And I think they know instinctally what's
going on. I know that they know. They did an
intervention on her and the results were not good. So
she goes away, Broke goes away and leaves us with
this insurance scam was a scam, So I just dumped
that money out. Then she comes back and Lotus has
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this thing that she's attracted to strong women. People, as say,
are they lesbians? I don't think so. But again I
don't know. I don't know much. I shouldn't say I
don't know much. I don't know some of the things.
I don't have answers to. One of the answers I
keep asking myself, was was she conning me all along?
Is Lotus truly a grifter? Was she lying just to
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get two children? That are? You know? It's just two children?
Great lifestyle I've had all over the country, all over
different places, beautiful hotels and great lifestyle. I mean, we've
had an incredible lie life. We live in a great neighborhood.
It's safe, it's beautiful, great schools, neighbor I mean, all
of it. I just I'd sacrifice. I just work my
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ass off all the time. I'm a twenty four to
seven working guy and creative and I don't stop. And
but I don't do it for me. I do it
for others. I do it for my family literally, by
the way, not like a little bit. It's everything is
about other people from me. And I'll work on that.
I yeah, I'm a rescuer, fixer, and it's not it
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has not served me that well. And she was one
of them. But was she conning the whole time? Let's
all figure that out together. It sure seemed like the
most beautiful marriage. Were married in Hawaii seventeen years ago,
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looked into her eyes, made her own vows. Oh my god,
I cried. As a matter of fact, my son was
ten at the time, and he took her down right
after the marriage, he took her down to the beach.
They're also born on the same day, I literally put
same birthday. Takes her down to the beach, and he
got a pearl that day with me. We went shopping
in Hawaii and he got on one knee and he said,
will you be my stepmom? So beautiful. She cried more
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at that than the wedding. And they bonded. They really bonded.
There was just something he saw, visions and dreams of
both babies. He thought of the name that my wife
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at the time had thought of this name when she
was a little girl. I mean, all this synergy and
just psychic connections, and it was just amazing. We lived
an amazing life. But was it a ruse? Sad to
think it was that? I was was con definitely the
last few years, big time, But was I the whole time?
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Maybe we'll figure that out together as we go down
this road this story. So broke then reappears and takes
us or lotus to this new multi level marketing. This
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person who allegedly is really at the top speaker author.
There's a lot of them. They come up with a
great title of a book. By the way, a lot
of them do have books, and they'll call themselves the
best seller. It means they sold five copies of their friend.
So and it's a woman named Raven, and she goes
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to Raven. It's called Year to Millionaire. They're going to
go to a mansion and I should have known things
were up because there was no mans and you pay
her ten thousand dollars. She teaches this group for thirty
days how to make a million dollars for multi level marketing.
Blah blah blah. So I started to get suspicious, and
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I brought in my friend Ted, who was like a
president of multi level marketing. This guy and he's a
real deal guy, one of the sweetest human beings I've
ever met. And Ted comes in and he does the
intervention on he goes this woman Raven is full of it.
She's absolutely full of it. She's a liar, and oh
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she's so sweet though Lotus is so sweet. She wouldn't
see it. She stayed, and one by one people were
leaving this thing. And also she was asked to put
in more money. She would come to me. She would
just get the money, tens of thousands of dollars and
another scheme and another thing. It turns out so everyone
(40:57):
left except for Broke. It was like the like the
co captain and there was Lotus. They like abused her too.
When she did finally leave. I remember I said to
my son and go, go listen. Is she getting out
of He called it boo group? Because he would go,
I'd say, where's mommy in there? She was again hundreds
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of hours, I mean, just spend on these skype calls,
or he's in a boo group. Told him we used
to call the alien boo group. So we called. I said,
what's mommy getting out of boog group? And he goes,
she's staying in boog group. She couldn't bring herself because
they have these manipulative ways. I'm also going to give
you tips and know if somebody's going to get into
a cult because they're manipulative. They say, sign a contract,
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honor your word, and all this kind of stuff and
that she couldn't get out. Finally she did when she
was discovered. She had one little day when she went, oh, whoa,
turns out this raven stole five hundred thousand dollars to
pair of credit card bills. She conned all of them
and then at the guts to sue us all because
we protested online for defamation or whatever it was. Oh,
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when I ran to her at a parking lot, she
didn't know it was me because I was never on
these calls. She's talking, she's flirting with me in the
parking lot, and then we go into the deposition. I'm like,
I stared her down. I'm Philia said, Goha, look me
in the eye, you crook, Look me in the eye.
She couldn't do it. It's kind of like the way
we were operating Philadelphia. Go ahead, look me in the eye,
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you thief. I think she settled. I mean, we have
our insurance covered our part. But anyway, broke stayed with
her till the end. As a matter of fact, my
wife honored her commitment and met them in San Diego
at a convention, a multi level marketing convention. They humiliated her,
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they shamed her, and then she still went with this
broke and started more businesses together, more and more businesses,
soap and Arex and another Utah thing, and emagic water
machines and mommy minutes. They would go down for these
photographs of themselves just with the kids. No dads, by
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the way, Dads were not useful except for our money.
In their world. These photos were all them the mommies.
Dads aren't needed. Where's our feedback, where's our love and support,
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where's our feminine side? As part of it, I sacrifice
for all four kids, and I'd come off the road
and immediately go coach the kids and their teams and
help them with their homework, and just always always there.
Even with my abandonment issues, I certainly had those from
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my dad leaving. I can't take it on a waiter,
lose my table? Where are you going getting your food? Sir?
I'm sure he's not coming back. They're all the same.
I was a delinquent. I got arrested when I was thirteen,
you know, not having a dad, And the cop says
to me, how would you like to end up like
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one of these guys on a poster. I'm going at
least he's wanted my favorite jokes. Oh, I don't want
anybody feeling sorry for me. I kind of want you
to feel sorry for Lotus. And maybe if you're a friend,
a true friend, which is really botheroushen I reached out
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to her friends and knowing the friends and family they
all ignore me, maybe when they hear the truth and
I have all the evidence. I've got videos, I've got
the kids. The kids have witnessed it. Lotus has turned
into big time thief, liar stole. She tried to steal
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a million dollars change in the bank account. This is
what she's become and has no letup, no pause, no apology,
no regrets. And what I keep trying to say is
what do you think you're teaching the kids? And here's
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one of the reasons I'm doing this, and the way
the one place I am in fear. I will tell
you some of the things that have happened, and it's scary.
I was watching a documentary I forgot what it was called,
maybe Sins of My Mother. But this woman, Laurie Valo,
kind of famous that she was in this. She had
a cult leader herself, real normal life, beautiful old stuff
(45:44):
staments lotus, and she killed her husband and she killed
her two children and her brother because she got locked
in with someone who's an influence. And again I'm not
being dramatic, but i will tell you my feelings were
absolute fear because I've seen so many things my exes. Violent,
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she has she doesn't know how to deal with her
old traumas does bad trauma responses, freaks out, runs out
of rooms, but violent tantrums even our mediation. She says,
we'll have a conscious uncoupling. That's another BS word that
people use, conscious uncoupling. Nope, won't use lawyers. Book two
lawyers later, she's got I tried mediation, storms out of mediation.
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These are just facts. This is who she's become, person
with unbelievable integrity. So they leave the one she goes
with broke, getting all these businesses, and then it starts
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wandering into sexual stuff. And I'll leave you with this
for this episode. They went away after I'd watched the kids.
Chloe was newborn Jackson four years oh, five years old.
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I'm watching the kids while she goes away and learns dances.
It's part of the Woo Woo learn dances to go
to Australia for the freedompreneurs. They don't come. I don't
make this up, going away with the freedompreneurs to celebrate themselves,
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express themselves. And it's this woman Broke. We'll talk about
sovereign freedom for mama's get out of your golden cage
and call it a golden cage. By the way. I'd
like to be in one for like a day, like
someone to take care of me. It'll be awesome. So
she goes to Australia. Yeah, and this was the This
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was an indication of she was being had by this
woman who sucked her in. I followed Broke on her Instagram.
So she says this on Instagram, will read it to
you in the next episode. And she I knew her
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husband by the way, great guy, and she she went
they went to Australia and she had a one night stand.
She cheated on him and bragged about it on social media.
That's what she does. The arrogance of this woman. And
she basically says, not basically follow me, ladies, of all
the thing steps that I have taken for my freedom,
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my sexual freedom. And it turns into the whole sex thing.
And if and I was reading them beforehand. I was
reading these posts that she would have broke mostly naked,
almost naked in her fifties, just look like an OnlyFans account,
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just bragging about this freedom and how she could homeschools
her kids and how wonderful she is and this sexual
freedom in every one of them. At the top of
the list on the likes on Instagram, there's lotus there.
She is supporting all of her There's another cult orgas
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of ink. There was another one. I told you about,
the other cult with this Lori Valor. By the way,
I'm friends with her brother, and that's another reason he
did the same thing I did. Please someone listened to me.
No one would listen to him. Those kids could be alive.
And I'm trying to do the same thing here. Somebody listen.
Somebody do an intervention. Somebody talked to her and to
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you know, tell her, at least go get help. At
least go get a diagnosis. Forget the ego. You've got
a big ego, take it, put it in check, and
understand these children, that's what they want for you. They
want you to be well. They notice it, They've noticed
the brainwashing. I said to them, recently, I said, what
do you think the reason we got divorced is? And
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when you're with you're gonna be married someday possibly, What
are you gonna tell people? Because we didn't fight, there's
no real issues. I mean, that's not like most parents,
but most people who have children of divorce, they oh,
my parents should have divorced years ago. My kids do
not think that gain night's fun, travel all of that stuff.
That's all they experienced. But she would spend hundreds of
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hours off of the family and into listening to broke
on these listening calls and these zoom things. And she
did it before with Raven, and she just gets locked in.
She admits that Raven was a cult. By the way,
that's crazy, but she does admit that and left the
family to go down this road. Now it's turned in
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a whole sex cult, just like there's another documentary cult,
Orgasm inc. I've been on my friends Lorie Adams or
brother I've known for years and I've been on his
podcast and he's very clear about the same as I am. Somebody,
please listen, get out of the judgment. I understand there's
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a lot of judgment towards men. I understand that men
have done some horrible things through for centuries. I get it,
I get it. Not the case here. You can project
all you want. You can be angry at yourself all
you want. You can think other things. I'm telling you,
And I'll put the kids on here. Don't put them
in the middle. I'll get in trouble for that. How
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else are you gonna hear the truth I've told the
people who are the friends and the family. I said, Okay,
if you don't believe me, just hear the kids' numbers.
Just go talk to the kids and ask them what
they've witnessed. They've seen the violence, they've seen the beating,
they've seen her snap, they've seen all this scratching, they've
seen all of it. They watched what else she did
(51:59):
to this family. They watched. They saw what she did
to them, kidnapping them twice. I'll leave it at that
for now. God got all I got all upset, didn't I? Yeah,
we're all. We're all a gamut of emotions. And I
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understand how you might even feel wondering what the agenda
is that I have, Wondering what my role in this is,
what's my pattern? How do I bring this about. How
come I have you know, is it always the crazy woman?
Oh my god, there he is. He's just he's a
(52:45):
pig who's gonna just blame. Well, stay with me and
you'll see. Stay with me. Come to the next podcast,
which I've already recorded. I hope I don't repeat myself.
I'm gonna have to go listen to them again. I've
done three, about to do a fourth, and we're gonna
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go from there. Follow this journey with me. Maybe at
the end of the journey. My hope is that there's
a solution that happens. My hope is that she leaves
that woman who she's so dove into. Or the kids
were talking about it tonight, they said, she's pinned on
her phone. She lied to the kids and went to
Japan with this woman two weeks ago, and I was
with the kids in Vegas having a great time, and
(53:35):
she lied to them, and he cried, Son cried. There
was again another lie. She lies. She told the truth
of you by accident. At this point, not exaggerating, this
is unrecognizable. The saddest thing I've ever seen in my
life was this fall from grace and doesn't ever say
(54:04):
anything to say yeah, I've had enough. I'm sorry, and
I will tell you how she really feels about me.
She texts me every so often. For a while, it
was pretty steady. I was an ass by the way.
I was a jackass the way I received it because
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I was angry, and I also see how phony it is,
and I think she has an agenda whatever it is,
whatever is, I did not receive it well. She constantly
would context me gratitude. I'm grateful, generous you are. I'm grateful, smart,
you are, greatful, great you are with the kids. I'm
grateful for so many things. Kindness, your sincerity, your inspiration,
(54:49):
your creativity. I mean constant I'm getting these text messages.
But the other side of me, because I was fooled
for so many years. I'm still wondering whether I was
from day one. I don't know. We'll find that out.
And I didn't receive it well. Be honest with you,
I got nasty in return. I do. I have reactions,
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and sometimes here's my tip. I'll hopefully leave you with tips. Reactions.
The reactions give them what they need to justify their crimes.
Now you become the reason, the blame that japan Lie.
She blamed me. She said, I want to cause chaos.
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I'm like, tell the truth, there's no chaos. That's what
I want to say. But she doesn't listen. Take a
sacred pause, take up spirituals of the lab work for breath,
take that breath. I say this because I need to
and I do, and when I do, it's always contrary reaction.
It happens. So I implore you to do, I advise
(55:57):
you to do. I suggest you do is when you're
ready to react. And by the way, I also encourage
you to reach out to me private messages. Yeah, if
you have any questions, any curiosity, be curious. Curious is beautiful,
beautiful to become creative and better and be creative and listen,
(56:19):
try not to rush to judgment. Stay with me here.
You can have your own discoveries. And maybe somebody in
your family has been influenced. Maybe you have a family
members an alcoholic or a drug addict, or maybe they're
a pathological liar, or maybe they have something else that's
really affecting you. We're in this together. Until illness is huge.
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It's everywhere, but we're afraid of it, and very few
people are courageous. I'm telling you I'm a courageous son
of a bitch, resilience son of I am courageous. That
is one thing and everyone knows is about me. I
did an intervention one day and everybody backed off. I
stood back or the relatives and everything else, and I
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got on the with the person with beer cans and
cigarettes and bleeding. I got onto bed and I'm like, hey,
here I am. I remember it. One of the really
wonderful moments in my life. Actually, I just felt so
because I had the power of the highest power, big G.
Big G led me on that bed and ended up
in rehab. She ended up in rehab, and that's what
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I'm hoping for lotus. She promised the kids that she
would go to rehab, and she didn't. I have them
in therapy. They were in therapy and they told a
therapist that's one of the big disappointments is Mommy won't
go to therapy like she promised. She said, well, if
daddy goes, I'll go, And of course I went. I'll
do anything I went for. I went for a little while,
(57:45):
but then they had a mask mandate. This tells you
who I am. I was like after everything was over
and suddenly who it's back, and mask man danced, I'm
not gonna wear a mask, and I said, what, where's
the mandate? And I challenged her and she's with their
masks on, and you're gonna have to leave. So I
get kicked out of rehab. But guess what I was
(58:05):
there for? Codependency. And I said, I'm gonna draw my boundary.
I'm not wearing a mask. Turns out I was right.
Asks are useless, stood my ground, drew the boundary, and uh,
I need to do a lot more of that with
my life. I should have done that in my marriage.
(58:26):
But I'm not gonna regret the past or they say,
or wish to shut the door on it. Door's open,
let's play, let's go, let's move, let's evolve. All right,
I'll get some more funny stuff. I'm coming comedian. I'm
not very funny here, get it. We're all good. I'll
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see you next time. For my wife joined a cult.
Thanks for listening. Four
Hello, How do you start these things? Especially something called
my wife joined a Cult? I thought of many other titles.
I've thought of different methods to deal with this. I've
thought a lot. It's a lot of contemplation, mindfulness, also consternation, resentment, anger.
(00:30):
I'd just been through all of it. It's like the
stages of grief because it's now my ex wife. My
wife joined a cult, and that's where things went. And Hello,
my name is Craig Shoemaker. I have to give some background.
I always assume that people know because I've had a nice,
beautiful career in show business, mostly stand up comedy. A
(00:54):
lot of people know me is the love master. So
tis though I don't master the love thing, I certainly
have given it a shot. Can't say that I haven't.
This is not my first marriage. We'll get to all
of it. We'll get to all of it. I'm going
(01:15):
to tell you a story, and I like to state
my intentions first, because a lot of me is about
being honest and transparent. I think that's what made me
a good stand up and transparent wise. I already recorded
episode one. I sent it to some people along with
two other episodes that they loved and the first one
(01:37):
they didn't love as much because I didn't set up
the story. And that's what I'm going to do here
with intention, and the intention is always been a solution
guy since day one. I make fun of myself and
my act. I've done rescuing since I was a kid.
(01:59):
My day I had left when I was born, somebody
said wow, and then came the man of the house.
And this was a real process from day one, minute one,
looking for something outside of myself to fulfill this longing
inside of me that existed from the get And so
(02:25):
a lot of this is going to be process. A
lot of us will be discovery, my own discoveries, and
the rumble stumbles, fumbles, crumbles and fumbles and tumbles, all
of it, and the hope would be as it always is.
I was trying to fix my mom up with tell
(02:47):
stories about I'll open up with one of them. I
used to collect baseball cards and I'm one of My
mom married so bad because my dad, she thought his
name was doesn't pay the child support. I thought that
was his name. I mean constantly talked about that and
he really wasn't there very much. And here's the irony.
By the way, he became a cult leader. He ran
(03:09):
a cult called Pocono Adventures Own Mules. By the way,
part of the problem with being a comic is go
is he making this up? I actually don't even talk
about my dad and my act all these years because
it's such a crazy story, and my life remained crazy apparently.
I don't know. Is it my destiny, is it my karma?
(03:29):
Is it my karma from a past life or this life.
I don't know. We'll question these things, we'll get to it.
But it's a story I think that needs to be
told for a lot of reasons. Maybe people also share
the abandonment that I felt growing up and the need
to fulfill this something inside of me, to fill that hole.
(03:53):
I mean, a lot of people go through certain things
in their lives. Some people ignore it, some people don't.
Seems like they don't even have issues. And I got
a lot of shoes. So the journey will be about
I believe one of my intentions is that someone steps
(04:15):
in and helps our children get their mom back. I mean,
it's fifty to fifty custody and all that, but she's gone.
The person that I fell in love with, that had
these beautiful children with is gone. And it's the saddest
(04:37):
thing I've ever seen in my life. I've been through
tragedies in my life. I've had really difficult things. I
was kidnapped when I was a kid by a serial pedophile.
I've just I was beaten drugs and alcohol and theft
and so many things that I've been through. One thing,
(04:59):
I is resilient though, made it through all of it,
including a divorce before which that two children with that,
and she came after me with everything she had, and
that really blew up a lot of lives that desire
to really take me down. And that was a whole
other That's the whole other book. But this one, I
(05:22):
don't know if there's I guess I could have hope
that someone might listen, like a friend of hers, and
step in and say, hey, wake up, wake up. You
need to move away from this person. It has you,
this person that brainwashed you. We're gonna call her the person.
I don't want to get sued. I'll get into that later,
(05:44):
but we're gonna call her broke because that's what you'll
end up to be if you deal with her. And
we'll call my ex wife, we'll call her Lotus because
that's her new name that she has now. Yeah, Lotus,
It's all part of it. And Lotus and I began
(06:09):
our journey together as friends. I was trying to actually
deal with my ex wife at the time, wife before
who you know, you know, really some very very hard
stuff to deal with. Accusations and allegations was just a nightmare.
I still held on to fifty percent custody, but that
was not easy and it cost me. It costs emotionally, spiritually,
(06:32):
it costs financially. It was a really, really a train
wreck from someone that just could not deal with her
own stuff. And I think that's the case here. I'm
not going to be a clinician. I'm going to tell
you some facts and some speculation in what things could be,
but that's what they are. And I'll name some things
(06:53):
as just fact and you can decide for yourself or
And one of the things that really there's me about
her is she would never get seek help or a
diagnosis for any of the things that were happening, which
were It was a lot really bother Somehow someone can
just be that arrogant, narcissistic to believe that you have
(07:17):
no issues to take care of with a professional. Now
she goes to people. We'll get to that. I'm going
to do a lot of We'll get to that. Just
put the kids to bed, and I just wanted to
come in here and share this journey, share this story
with you with hope someone might step in the speculation.
(07:40):
Is it alien possession? Is it demonic possession? Is it menopause?
Is it midlife crisis? Is it bipolar? She has two
brothers who committed suicide within three weeks and one another,
And it's actually how we met. Was it this a God
based spiritual sat I've been going for years to get
(08:03):
to me everything in life in success, and I've had
a lot of success in life with the relationships and
business and so forth I've had. I've had a ton
of awards and rewards and beautiful friendships long lasting from
kindergarten a television show with a guy from third grade.
(08:24):
I mean, I really stay connected with people, and it's
one of the reasons why I think our family has
benefited from this as well. There's a worldliness that I
passed on to the kids, intelligence, spirituality, intuitive sense, gratitude.
That's a real big one. We've done at the dinner
table since all the kids were little, and this was
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my goal is to bring these values. And I get
these values a lot from agape. I mean I learn
a lot about higher source, higher power, lovelight, levity, whatever
it is. That's what I teach when my coaches love
light born that way, that's what we have, this potency
that wishes to be released. And I was there to
deal with at the time my very difficult situation with
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just accusing me. I remember it was had my son,
he was a baby and he was screaming a colic
and she comes down, what are you doing to him? Like, Oh,
that's where it started. And it got sick from there,
just sick. And I must tell you all throughout this
story that being a big white guy is not easy.
I'm not trying to play victim ever, but that's the
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deal is people are going to assume, even you listening now,
some people are going to listen to go, oh, listen
to this guy. He's he's got to be guilty of
something or whatever it is. And I understand that there's
assumptions are going to take place, especially being a guy
who's got a voice, and people say, well, she doesn't
have a voice. Well she does, and she's used her
voice quite a bit on social media. And so I'm
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a god by literally it's taking courses. These were certified
courses and spirituality. And there she was Lotus, and we
became friends. Talked in the parking lot a lot of
philosophical stuff. This is probably about twenty three years ago,
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twenty two years ago or so. And then I would
take my son there on a Sunday and that was
at night. I'd take my son there, and so she
knew my son a little bit, had opinions about our relationship.
I remember that she's just this really peaceful, beautiful person, Lotus,
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and it was like this connectedness that we had. She
lived in a treehouse with no I mean, she had
to go to the bathroom like forty yards away in
the woods to Panga and seemed to really love it.
That was her choice. But she was there to deal
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with the trauma of these two brothers that committed suicide
within three weeks and one another. So which has to
do with my concern about mental illness being possibly passed on.
And I don't know what that mental illness is, but
obviously that's what takes place if you have people that
take their own lives and add to that pride. And
they're from Japan. And I'm not being racist, I tell
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you this, but she's the one that said in the beginning,
when we're certainly getting along, it's a certain pride that
takes place, a stubbornness with that culture. But it didn't
come into play. We were just friends. And when I
got divorced, we're on our way there one night actually
as friends, and it was a nighttime service, and we
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stopped for sushi and that was it. That was the day,
for sure, a major bolt of love. I was particularly
fascinated and fell for it had been New Year's is
about seventeen eighteen years ago. It was New Year's and
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I said, what'd you do? And I'm not a big
party reveler. I don't drink anymore for many years. And
I was really taken by her journey when she said
that she she searched for the sunrise, for the nicest
sunrise on the mountain, and she hiked like at four
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in the morning, in the dark. And she also cleaned
her place. She had a little cabin and she cleaned
her place. And I remember her talking about this, and
I was just so fascinated by her, and I just
felt such an intimacy and a closeness. We were friends,
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but it was very casual, but this was it. And
I remember I said, she says to me. At the
end of the we didn't end up at a gape.
We'd ended up this great conversation. I looked up and
there was this huge game, one of the most historic
games in college football history, was going on in a
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television I recall, and I didn't care. That's how enthralled
I was with her. I was just listening and really
paying attention to who this person is. And I fell
in love. And that night was made fun of ourselves,
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or I made fun of myself. Where we ended up,
I was I started to go over options because I
was newly single. I was pretty newly single, and I'm
not very good at dating. You want to want to
go back to my place? She's like, what watch a movie?
And I said, why don't we go to the movies?
So we ended up going to the movies, this really
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dark movie, I think it's called Sirianna and for a
Walk on the Beach, and I think I got her
to love me because she was about to trip over
a puddle and I grabbed her and that was her moment.
We both had those moments that night. And this is
the key to my opinion is and I believe we
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had a great marriage. I think I think the key
is to see the person for who they truly are,
and they see you for who you truly are. And
I truly, no matter what people think about me or whatever,
everybody's their opinions, I know in a non cocky, arrogant,
egotistical way, I know I'm a really great person with
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a giant heart, with the mistakes and everything else, but
that's who I am. And she saw that, and I
saw her for who she truly is. And I used
to say, the greatest human being I ever met was Lotus.
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It's not her name, but the greatest person I ever met.
And I used to say to people, there's not even
a second and third place. There's no silver or bronze medal.
She's the great. She's all three. And you might say, oh, yeah,
her on a pedestal. Yeah, I probably did, but that
pedestal was also a lifting up of her spirits. Always
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make her laugh. It's my job in life, but it's
also what I love to do period with one on one,
one on two, whatever it is. I love to make
people happy that wanders in to rescue. Though I was
telling you about my mom, I try to fix her
up with guys all the time. I collected baseball cards.
I could care less what they hit. I look for
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one thing on the back of the car, marital status.
I could still tell you the Philadelphia Phillies when I
was a little boy, that Larry bow was married to
Shana Bow. As I discarded his card, interested Greg Lezinski
was married. I'm gonna tell you he was married. There's
a guy who's a catcher, Tim McCarver. I said, look, Mom,
this guy's a catcher and I'm a pitcher. You can
adopt me and he can marry you. And he already
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won a World Series with the Cardinals, and she does.
He doesn't want me, Yes he does. And I wrote
him letters. Dear Tim McCarver, you should meet my mother.
Here's her photo, her belly dancing outfit. Kidding, my mom
did belly dance. And he never wrote me back. But listen,
things take time, folks. I told Joe Buck that story.
That Joe Buck is his broadcast partner for years Tim
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McCarver for many years. Joe Buck laughed at the story.
Next time, then I get I think Joe, Joe got
a ball signed by Tim McCarver, and I get this
ball and it says, dear son, time to grow up.
Love Dad aka Tim McCarver. That was the dreamer that
I always was. And there's there's part of that in here.
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I see red flags and paint them green. I get it.
I really do. I have these patterns that certainly are there,
and in this discovery I might be able to find
out what happened in this pattern when this person got
together with an influencer, a cult type leader. People say,
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what kind of cult is she? And it's not people.
There's a scientology. Look a lot of people. There's no
one in a cult. By the way, the believes they're
in a cult. I guarantee you that my dad had
a cult. Run the mule rides. You had all these women.
It called his harem literally said, I'm the King of Poconos.
That's his blue collar honeymoon capital of the Northeast, the mountains.
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These mules and horses and seventy five of them, and
take people on these rides. Adventure rides and the women
he would hit, a mother, daughter and so forth. And
they didn't think they were a cult either. I mean,
they just think there were whatever, But no one ever does,
and that includes my ex wife. Will not call this
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person a cult leader, but I'll describe it, and you
probably will find that to be the case. I'm going
to read something someone else that was subjected to a
woman like this woman broke. It's this. I call them
wellness grifters. I got that term from my friend Claire,
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and such a perfect term. And I've been around them
for a long time and it's just this, these peaceful
people who allegedly are about divine connection and ethereal connection
and God and consciousness and mindfulness and presence and all
of that. That's the alleged thing. And I get it.
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They might be, might be their intention, but so many
of them are a criminal. I and this woman and broke,
I will be describing for you what she did and
what she does with women. She calls her mama's It's
all part of the game that she plays. She plays.
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It's a certain casting call that she has mothers of children.
But the women are middle aged, they have a husband,
who's probably like me, you know, large and in charge allegedly,
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so she hits all those points and lures lures the
women in. And it is women too. She directs it
to women. Even though there's a man involved now who
threatened my life. Weren't going to get to that too.
Some of this is also my intention is to protect
myself and my children. If something happens now, it's recorded
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and you'll know why it happened and how what happened
and who did it. And there are crimes and I'm
not just not hyperbole. There are crimes that have been
committed A lot this person. Lotus has gone from this
person I believe to be filled with integrity. We took
this course together. It was all about integrity. This is
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what we were founded in. And we brought these children
to the world and literally prayed for them to be here.
We prayed for one and then the next one. We
prayed for a girl and there's oh my god, they're
the most beautiful and they're they're they're like, I've never
even been around kids like this. They don't have any
brat moments. And then ever since the divorced, they're very
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he is well, they're very protective of one another, with
each other all the time. He's fourteen, she's ten. I mean,
who does that. She's like the precocious little comedian and
he's always with her. Just tonight, they were just having
this contest like it was Survivor, giggling and laughing and
we're just making I said, here, make a recipe. We're
all going to cook together tomorrow. We just do so
many things together, so much fun. Their mom blew it
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up based on she was influenced by this woman who
allegedly is about business and it's MLMs and I'm going
to read this. So someone sent me a video and
I transcribed it with my chicken scratch handwriting, and this
is this is. They've been in I think seven different
businesses together, broken lotus, including another cult that they're involved in.
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But let me just hear this is from a woman.
So I'm always afraid of the sexist thing, and you know,
thinking that I'm the victim blaming and you know, I'm
still hurting, Yeah, I am. I am hurting. I'm hurting
for the children so much that this was done to them.
My son innocently and he's literally like a seventy five
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year old, old soul dude. He turns to Chloe. He says,
you never knew mommy before broke used their real name obviously,
and he knew her before before she went this tumble
down this road with this woman who is just I'm
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trying not to use adjectives. I'm just going to give
you the words that she uses herself. I'll read some
of her posts. It's a cult. I heard from another guy.
She had that woman leave that marriage. She influences women
to leave their marriages too, for these because she did it.
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And I just the cults are usually the MLMs or
that's multi level marketing usually, and I, by the way,
was involved in one as well. But I was about
the product. This product hold was three, and my god,
I loved it. It's like this liqunutritional. I was all
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about it. But you have to get people under you
and all that crap. I never did like that crap,
but I do understand it. You're not paying for advertising.
It's not big corporations and things like that. I'm not
knocking that necessarily, but like anything, when you don't have
like someone in charge or you're real really you know leaders,
and it's people go one MLM to the next and
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it's just like anything. You know, you go to an
alcoholics anonymous meeting, there's filled with crazy people. If there's
a few people that are really sober and really work
it and all that kind of stuf. I mean, it's
just just anywhere you go. Religions are all bastardized by people.
I mean, it's just the way it is. So you
can't say it's all MLMs. But and a lot of
them come out of Utah. So someone who knows Lotus
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and has watched this descent, I've been sent at least
thirty emails with concern some people Lotus and broke rip
them off. I mean, this is a descent. It's not
only about the family. This is about someone who's just
taken this dark, dark path. And so this is what
this woman says on an not an Instagram, a TikTok video.
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Someone I don't know, but someone I do know sent
it to me and said, boy, does this look familiar
and she's talking about Well here, I'll read it to you.
So this is a woman talking to the camera. Utah.
You let me know when you are ready to talk
about this weird, bizarre, unsettling phenomenon among influencers in Utah,
specifically influencers that have been influencing for a long time.
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They were bloggers like Broke. They were influencers like Broke.
They build up a following like Broke. You know, it's
not a real name. I'd say the number of times
that's a name we're going to use because I don't
want to be threatened again. My life was threatened and
threatened to take the children away, yeah, by Broke and
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her boyfriend. They were influencers. They build up a following,
and now they're starting cults. There's the use of cult.
Maybe that is too niche. Their stating cult slash MLM
slash coaching slash cultural Eastern philosophy and Indigenous religion appropriation.
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You know, I didn't say that, so how I talk.
But I'm with her because that's what my experience has
been as well. It's effing weird. I'll try to keep
this clean. People are shelling out thousands and thousands of
dollars for these women. See and it's a woman saying
this who have no credentials, And boy, does that ring
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true to me? This Broke has no credentials and she
pummeled this information and opinions into my now ex wife.
Hundreds and hundreds of hours spent on zoom with the
ear pods, leaving the family and just listening to this woman.
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And they literally call it listening parties. You're not allowed
at feedback, no accountability, no feedback. That's what she did.
And that's all part of this multi level marketing. They
blend it, and they blend it with the words she said,
efen weird. She says, these women to do any of this,
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this is ef and weird. I don't know what's happening.
Like they are leveraging their audience. A lot of whom
are women who have left their religion or they're in
the middle of trying to figure out what they believe.
And that's what happened with Lotus as well. One of
the problems I believe we had is we just stopped
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going to a gape. We stopped bonding in prayer and
so on. And when you have a higher source and charge,
the other stuff gets taken care of because that's all powerful.
It's a wonderful way to go. And we've stopped and
there you go. There's one of the things that happened.
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But then she went somewhere else to this broke and others,
and she says, and they're exploiting them like big time.
There's one person I'm thinking about in particular, and it's
the weirdest effing shit. You go on her page and
it's nonsense. Where whoa wait till I read the nonsense.
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It's unbelievable. When the boyfriend threatened me says, well, you
know it's libel, slander or whatever it is. It's like,
all I gotta do is read this stuff. I don't
even have to have an opinion. You'll see for yourself.
It's insanity. And my ex fell for it. The words
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are nonsense. They make literally no sense. They're made up words.
It's like a conglomerate conglomeration of all these different buzzwords
of like WU. She has no credentials to do this.
You're being scammed. You could use this money. Women are
maxing out their credit cards for this. You could put
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in an actual therapy. I've said that as well. Go
to a clinician, go to an expert, go to someone
that says, here's how you can deal with your trauma
about your brothers and your whatever it is, your family,
whatever it is what your marriage work. Get out, do
everything you can do. And how sad it is to
watch this fall, this stubborn, prideful fall into actual crime
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crimes being committed by this woman who is an upper
level spiritual, upper level good person, a therapist who follows
a code of ethics. This broke has no ethics. They
pretend they do. They all pretend. Oh the social media posts,
way you hear these? I don't know, guys, it's weird
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and I feel like, who who's talking about this? And
there you go, I am, I'm talking about it. It's
a warning shot, it's an intervention. It's filled with hope
as well maybe someone can step in. It's at the
darkest possession. I can't even believe sometimes her behavior. It's
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just shocking to me. And it started off. Broke came
into our lives. I introduced them many many years ago,
and it's one of those things, there's this little thing.
It's like a harbinger of things that come. But I
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let it go, and obviously so did Lotus. She sold
us on a multi level marketing insurance program and at
the time, Lotus had moved out of the treehouse to
my beautiful house at a beautiful house, and I remember,
forget this is part of my little rescue wee thing.
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I'll never forget the feeling I had about her, good
feeling about being in my giant tub. And it was
as big as her place that she came from. She
lived in a treehouse and here she was. I remember
I walked in on her and she had these headphones on.
She was screaming ballroom Blitz. I'll tease her about that
blitz Blitz, ballroom blitz. And it's so much fun, It's
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so much laughter. And we would go to a gape,
go to a landmark forum, do all these things to
just keeping rich, keeping riching ourselves. And it was just
so incredible. And by the way, became a great step
mom to my other kids. Like I don't even know
how I would have done it, especially goodn't to deal
with the false allegations. She protected me on that. I
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don't know where I'd be if she wasn't there for that.
So bless her. Oh, by the way, I want to
read a the Woo Wu this the woman was just
talking about the Woo woo the words. This is one
of the gurus that they go to for medicine. Journeys.
I don't know if you know what a medicine journey is,
but they take some hallucinogenics and go to an other place.
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And this is the woman. This is her page radiance, Unleashed, unapologetic,
provides biz Oracle learn to monetize your magic online Queen.
This is all part of their group accelerating human consciousness
while getting financially free and making a global impact. I
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love that. I'm just gonna lay this out for you.
I don't even need opinion, and then you'll maybe you'll
join up, maybe you'll find out Lotus's information and get
in her down line. Shadow Priestess Psychedelic. I have never
even heard of Curanderk's see you are an d E
r X. She's been on several journeys. This was the
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shaman that she went to. Came back from the journey
and says, I'm taking a coaching program, as WHOA what
are you talking about? From this same person that's nine
thousand dollars And she just did it and I couldn't
do anything about it. That's a really frustrating thing when
someone just blatantly. She stole money, constantly moved in into
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accounts and that one she just went to and let
men get labeled misogynists and sexist if you protest because
it's half and half and it's you know, it's community
property and all that kind of stuff. It's just how
it works. I don't know about fair or whatever the cases.
These are just the facts. This is just what happened.
I remember going, WHOA, No, you can't do that, and
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I went, now what do I do? It's kind of
like I'm raising kids. They have these things that are
theories that have no proven ground. That's I think a
lot of problem in society, like boundaries that doesn't exists.
It's ridiculous people just wipe those away. Then what do
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you do the boundaries are violated. I remember the word consequence.
My first son was born. You're in a consequence. Put
him in his room. I leave the room, follows me
out of the room. I go, what are you doing?
He goes, the timeout's over. So he decided timeout was over.
Theoretical things they need some proving ground, and a lot
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of them don't work, especially in this world, the woo
wool world that they're in. It's theoretical holding space and
all these things that they do in that world in
that realm of pretend, and it's phony, and it's just
so sad to watch this descent into darkness when allegedly
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it's light. And I'm shocked on practically a daily basis
at the behavior. It's shocked sucking to see where this
woman took her. And obviously she's responsible. Lotus is very
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she's an adult, she's responsible. I'm somewhat responsible as well.
Accountability is just so important not to be victims. This
is part of my accountability. You'll hear a lot about
what did I draw in What's my pardon this? I'm
one hundred percent responsible, but definitely one hundred percent responsible
for any resentments I have, and resentments are a killer.
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I'm not about that. I have ways to release those resentments,
and I'm going to give those tips to you as well.
I do coaching, by the way, I really enjoy that
so much. The alchemy of laughter. Laughter is so important.
I hope you giggled once in a while in this too.
It's an allegedly tragic story. I don't really look at
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it that way. I look at things like in that way.
But there's a lot of grief going on too. So
this woman Broke sells this insurance. It's like this thing
you're gonna pay. There's like people under you and stuff
like that. And Lotus handled that, and then she just
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took off. This Broke just takes off and moves to
New Mexico and leaves us with another agent or whatever. Well,
where's all the stuff you just promised us? You just
promised it. These people and now Lotus have no ethics
and do not honor their words, their vows, their commitments.
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They don't. They live in a selfish, ego maniacal world
that they can do anything and be okay with it,
including theft and some other really bad things. Shocking. This
woman so beautiful. Our kids are, Oh, they're just these
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magnificently little angels. And I think they know instinctally what's
going on. I know that they know. They did an
intervention on her and the results were not good. So
she goes away, Broke goes away and leaves us with
this insurance scam was a scam, So I just dumped
that money out. Then she comes back and Lotus has
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this thing that she's attracted to strong women. People, as say,
are they lesbians? I don't think so. But again I
don't know. I don't know much. I shouldn't say I
don't know much. I don't know some of the things.
I don't have answers to. One of the answers I
keep asking myself, was was she conning me all along?
Is Lotus truly a grifter? Was she lying just to
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get two children? That are? You know? It's just two children?
Great lifestyle I've had all over the country, all over
different places, beautiful hotels and great lifestyle. I mean, we've
had an incredible lie life. We live in a great neighborhood.
It's safe, it's beautiful, great schools, neighbor I mean, all
of it. I just I'd sacrifice. I just work my
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ass off all the time. I'm a twenty four to
seven working guy and creative and I don't stop. And
but I don't do it for me. I do it
for others. I do it for my family literally, by
the way, not like a little bit. It's everything is
about other people from me. And I'll work on that.
I yeah, I'm a rescuer, fixer, and it's not it
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has not served me that well. And she was one
of them. But was she conning the whole time? Let's
all figure that out together. It sure seemed like the
most beautiful marriage. Were married in Hawaii seventeen years ago,
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looked into her eyes, made her own vows. Oh my god,
I cried. As a matter of fact, my son was
ten at the time, and he took her down right
after the marriage, he took her down to the beach.
They're also born on the same day, I literally put
same birthday. Takes her down to the beach, and he
got a pearl that day with me. We went shopping
in Hawaii and he got on one knee and he said,
will you be my stepmom? So beautiful. She cried more
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at that than the wedding. And they bonded. They really bonded.
There was just something he saw, visions and dreams of
both babies. He thought of the name that my wife
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at the time had thought of this name when she
was a little girl. I mean, all this synergy and
just psychic connections, and it was just amazing. We lived
an amazing life. But was it a ruse? Sad to
think it was that? I was was con definitely the
last few years, big time, But was I the whole time?
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Maybe we'll figure that out together as we go down
this road this story. So broke then reappears and takes
us or lotus to this new multi level marketing. This
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person who allegedly is really at the top speaker author.
There's a lot of them. They come up with a
great title of a book. By the way, a lot
of them do have books, and they'll call themselves the
best seller. It means they sold five copies of their friend.
So and it's a woman named Raven, and she goes
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to Raven. It's called Year to Millionaire. They're going to
go to a mansion and I should have known things
were up because there was no mans and you pay
her ten thousand dollars. She teaches this group for thirty
days how to make a million dollars for multi level marketing.
Blah blah blah. So I started to get suspicious, and
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I brought in my friend Ted, who was like a
president of multi level marketing. This guy and he's a
real deal guy, one of the sweetest human beings I've
ever met. And Ted comes in and he does the
intervention on he goes this woman Raven is full of it.
She's absolutely full of it. She's a liar, and oh
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she's so sweet though Lotus is so sweet. She wouldn't
see it. She stayed, and one by one people were
leaving this thing. And also she was asked to put
in more money. She would come to me. She would
just get the money, tens of thousands of dollars and
another scheme and another thing. It turns out so everyone
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left except for Broke. It was like the like the
co captain and there was Lotus. They like abused her too.
When she did finally leave. I remember I said to
my son and go, go listen. Is she getting out
of He called it boo group? Because he would go,
I'd say, where's mommy in there? She was again hundreds
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of hours, I mean, just spend on these skype calls,
or he's in a boo group. Told him we used
to call the alien boo group. So we called. I said,
what's mommy getting out of boog group? And he goes,
she's staying in boog group. She couldn't bring herself because
they have these manipulative ways. I'm also going to give
you tips and know if somebody's going to get into
a cult because they're manipulative. They say, sign a contract,
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honor your word, and all this kind of stuff and
that she couldn't get out. Finally she did when she
was discovered. She had one little day when she went, oh, whoa,
turns out this raven stole five hundred thousand dollars to
pair of credit card bills. She conned all of them
and then at the guts to sue us all because
we protested online for defamation or whatever it was. Oh,
(42:05):
when I ran to her at a parking lot, she
didn't know it was me because I was never on
these calls. She's talking, she's flirting with me in the
parking lot, and then we go into the deposition. I'm like,
I stared her down. I'm Philia said, Goha, look me
in the eye, you crook, Look me in the eye.
She couldn't do it. It's kind of like the way
we were operating Philadelphia. Go ahead, look me in the eye,
(42:26):
you thief. I think she settled. I mean, we have
our insurance covered our part. But anyway, broke stayed with
her till the end. As a matter of fact, my
wife honored her commitment and met them in San Diego
at a convention, a multi level marketing convention. They humiliated her,
(42:47):
they shamed her, and then she still went with this
broke and started more businesses together, more and more businesses,
soap and Arex and another Utah thing, and emagic water
machines and mommy minutes. They would go down for these
photographs of themselves just with the kids. No dads, by
(43:09):
the way, Dads were not useful except for our money.
In their world. These photos were all them the mommies.
Dads aren't needed. Where's our feedback, where's our love and support,
(43:32):
where's our feminine side? As part of it, I sacrifice
for all four kids, and I'd come off the road
and immediately go coach the kids and their teams and
help them with their homework, and just always always there.
Even with my abandonment issues, I certainly had those from
(43:53):
my dad leaving. I can't take it on a waiter,
lose my table? Where are you going getting your food? Sir?
I'm sure he's not coming back. They're all the same.
I was a delinquent. I got arrested when I was thirteen,
you know, not having a dad, And the cop says
to me, how would you like to end up like
(44:14):
one of these guys on a poster. I'm going at
least he's wanted my favorite jokes. Oh, I don't want
anybody feeling sorry for me. I kind of want you
to feel sorry for Lotus. And maybe if you're a friend,
a true friend, which is really botheroushen I reached out
(44:36):
to her friends and knowing the friends and family they
all ignore me, maybe when they hear the truth and
I have all the evidence. I've got videos, I've got
the kids. The kids have witnessed it. Lotus has turned
into big time thief, liar stole. She tried to steal
(45:00):
a million dollars change in the bank account. This is
what she's become and has no letup, no pause, no apology,
no regrets. And what I keep trying to say is
what do you think you're teaching the kids? And here's
(45:21):
one of the reasons I'm doing this, and the way
the one place I am in fear. I will tell
you some of the things that have happened, and it's scary.
I was watching a documentary I forgot what it was called,
maybe Sins of My Mother. But this woman, Laurie Valo,
kind of famous that she was in this. She had
a cult leader herself, real normal life, beautiful old stuff
(45:44):
staments lotus, and she killed her husband and she killed
her two children and her brother because she got locked
in with someone who's an influence. And again I'm not
being dramatic, but i will tell you my feelings were
absolute fear because I've seen so many things my exes. Violent,
(46:11):
she has she doesn't know how to deal with her
old traumas does bad trauma responses, freaks out, runs out
of rooms, but violent tantrums even our mediation. She says,
we'll have a conscious uncoupling. That's another BS word that
people use, conscious uncoupling. Nope, won't use lawyers. Book two
lawyers later, she's got I tried mediation, storms out of mediation.
(46:36):
These are just facts. This is who she's become, person
with unbelievable integrity. So they leave the one she goes
with broke, getting all these businesses, and then it starts
(46:57):
wandering into sexual stuff. And I'll leave you with this
for this episode. They went away after I'd watched the kids.
Chloe was newborn Jackson four years oh, five years old.
(47:18):
I'm watching the kids while she goes away and learns dances.
It's part of the Woo Woo learn dances to go
to Australia for the freedompreneurs. They don't come. I don't
make this up, going away with the freedompreneurs to celebrate themselves,
(47:39):
express themselves. And it's this woman Broke. We'll talk about
sovereign freedom for mama's get out of your golden cage
and call it a golden cage. By the way. I'd
like to be in one for like a day, like
someone to take care of me. It'll be awesome. So
she goes to Australia. Yeah, and this was the This
(48:02):
was an indication of she was being had by this
woman who sucked her in. I followed Broke on her Instagram.
So she says this on Instagram, will read it to
you in the next episode. And she I knew her
(48:22):
husband by the way, great guy, and she she went
they went to Australia and she had a one night stand.
She cheated on him and bragged about it on social media.
That's what she does. The arrogance of this woman. And
she basically says, not basically follow me, ladies, of all
the thing steps that I have taken for my freedom,
(48:44):
my sexual freedom. And it turns into the whole sex thing.
And if and I was reading them beforehand. I was
reading these posts that she would have broke mostly naked,
almost naked in her fifties, just look like an OnlyFans account,
(49:05):
just bragging about this freedom and how she could homeschools
her kids and how wonderful she is and this sexual
freedom in every one of them. At the top of
the list on the likes on Instagram, there's lotus there.
She is supporting all of her There's another cult orgas
(49:27):
of ink. There was another one. I told you about,
the other cult with this Lori Valor. By the way,
I'm friends with her brother, and that's another reason he
did the same thing I did. Please someone listened to me.
No one would listen to him. Those kids could be alive.
And I'm trying to do the same thing here. Somebody listen.
Somebody do an intervention. Somebody talked to her and to
(49:49):
you know, tell her, at least go get help. At
least go get a diagnosis. Forget the ego. You've got
a big ego, take it, put it in check, and
understand these children, that's what they want for you. They
want you to be well. They notice it, They've noticed
the brainwashing. I said to them, recently, I said, what
do you think the reason we got divorced is? And
(50:10):
when you're with you're gonna be married someday possibly, What
are you gonna tell people? Because we didn't fight, there's
no real issues. I mean, that's not like most parents,
but most people who have children of divorce, they oh,
my parents should have divorced years ago. My kids do
not think that gain night's fun, travel all of that stuff.
That's all they experienced. But she would spend hundreds of
(50:31):
hours off of the family and into listening to broke
on these listening calls and these zoom things. And she
did it before with Raven, and she just gets locked in.
She admits that Raven was a cult. By the way,
that's crazy, but she does admit that and left the
family to go down this road. Now it's turned in
(50:53):
a whole sex cult, just like there's another documentary cult,
Orgasm inc. I've been on my friends Lorie Adams or
brother I've known for years and I've been on his
podcast and he's very clear about the same as I am. Somebody,
please listen, get out of the judgment. I understand there's
(51:17):
a lot of judgment towards men. I understand that men
have done some horrible things through for centuries. I get it,
I get it. Not the case here. You can project
all you want. You can be angry at yourself all
you want. You can think other things. I'm telling you,
And I'll put the kids on here. Don't put them
in the middle. I'll get in trouble for that. How
(51:38):
else are you gonna hear the truth I've told the
people who are the friends and the family. I said, Okay,
if you don't believe me, just hear the kids' numbers.
Just go talk to the kids and ask them what
they've witnessed. They've seen the violence, they've seen the beating,
they've seen her snap, they've seen all this scratching, they've
seen all of it. They watched what else she did
(51:59):
to this family. They watched. They saw what she did
to them, kidnapping them twice. I'll leave it at that
for now. God got all I got all upset, didn't I? Yeah,
we're all. We're all a gamut of emotions. And I
(52:22):
understand how you might even feel wondering what the agenda
is that I have, Wondering what my role in this is,
what's my pattern? How do I bring this about. How
come I have you know, is it always the crazy woman?
Oh my god, there he is. He's just he's a
(52:45):
pig who's gonna just blame. Well, stay with me and
you'll see. Stay with me. Come to the next podcast,
which I've already recorded. I hope I don't repeat myself.
I'm gonna have to go listen to them again. I've
done three, about to do a fourth, and we're gonna
(53:11):
go from there. Follow this journey with me. Maybe at
the end of the journey. My hope is that there's
a solution that happens. My hope is that she leaves
that woman who she's so dove into. Or the kids
were talking about it tonight, they said, she's pinned on
her phone. She lied to the kids and went to
Japan with this woman two weeks ago, and I was
with the kids in Vegas having a great time, and
(53:35):
she lied to them, and he cried, Son cried. There
was again another lie. She lies. She told the truth
of you by accident. At this point, not exaggerating, this
is unrecognizable. The saddest thing I've ever seen in my
life was this fall from grace and doesn't ever say
(54:04):
anything to say yeah, I've had enough. I'm sorry, and
I will tell you how she really feels about me.
She texts me every so often. For a while, it
was pretty steady. I was an ass by the way.
I was a jackass the way I received it because
(54:25):
I was angry, and I also see how phony it is,
and I think she has an agenda whatever it is,
whatever is, I did not receive it well. She constantly
would context me gratitude. I'm grateful, generous you are. I'm grateful, smart,
you are, greatful, great you are with the kids. I'm
grateful for so many things. Kindness, your sincerity, your inspiration,
(54:49):
your creativity. I mean constant I'm getting these text messages.
But the other side of me, because I was fooled
for so many years. I'm still wondering whether I was
from day one. I don't know. We'll find that out.
And I didn't receive it well. Be honest with you,
I got nasty in return. I do. I have reactions,
(55:13):
and sometimes here's my tip. I'll hopefully leave you with tips. Reactions.
The reactions give them what they need to justify their crimes.
Now you become the reason, the blame that japan Lie.
She blamed me. She said, I want to cause chaos.
(55:35):
I'm like, tell the truth, there's no chaos. That's what
I want to say. But she doesn't listen. Take a
sacred pause, take up spirituals of the lab work for breath,
take that breath. I say this because I need to
and I do, and when I do, it's always contrary reaction.
It happens. So I implore you to do, I advise
(55:57):
you to do. I suggest you do is when you're
ready to react. And by the way, I also encourage
you to reach out to me private messages. Yeah, if
you have any questions, any curiosity, be curious. Curious is beautiful,
beautiful to become creative and better and be creative and listen,
(56:19):
try not to rush to judgment. Stay with me here.
You can have your own discoveries. And maybe somebody in
your family has been influenced. Maybe you have a family
members an alcoholic or a drug addict, or maybe they're
a pathological liar, or maybe they have something else that's
really affecting you. We're in this together. Until illness is huge.
(56:39):
It's everywhere, but we're afraid of it, and very few
people are courageous. I'm telling you I'm a courageous son
of a bitch, resilience son of I am courageous. That
is one thing and everyone knows is about me. I
did an intervention one day and everybody backed off. I
stood back or the relatives and everything else, and I
(56:59):
got on the with the person with beer cans and
cigarettes and bleeding. I got onto bed and I'm like, hey,
here I am. I remember it. One of the really
wonderful moments in my life. Actually, I just felt so
because I had the power of the highest power, big G.
Big G led me on that bed and ended up
in rehab. She ended up in rehab, and that's what
(57:23):
I'm hoping for lotus. She promised the kids that she
would go to rehab, and she didn't. I have them
in therapy. They were in therapy and they told a
therapist that's one of the big disappointments is Mommy won't
go to therapy like she promised. She said, well, if
daddy goes, I'll go, And of course I went. I'll
do anything I went for. I went for a little while,
(57:45):
but then they had a mask mandate. This tells you
who I am. I was like after everything was over
and suddenly who it's back, and mask man danced, I'm
not gonna wear a mask, and I said, what, where's
the mandate? And I challenged her and she's with their
masks on, and you're gonna have to leave. So I
get kicked out of rehab. But guess what I was
(58:05):
there for? Codependency. And I said, I'm gonna draw my boundary.
I'm not wearing a mask. Turns out I was right.
Asks are useless, stood my ground, drew the boundary, and uh,
I need to do a lot more of that with
my life. I should have done that in my marriage.
(58:26):
But I'm not gonna regret the past or they say,
or wish to shut the door on it. Door's open,
let's play, let's go, let's move, let's evolve. All right,
I'll get some more funny stuff. I'm coming comedian. I'm
not very funny here, get it. We're all good. I'll
(58:47):
see you next time. For my wife joined a cult.
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