August 11, 2025 • 61 mins
Myles Weber and his wife, Heather, are both very excited to welcome Al Snow to the #podcast ! They discuss the parallels between Stand-Up and #ProWrestling, #OVW, his head gimmick and which wrestler's phone number was put on live TV! Follow @therealalsnow on Social Media!Follow @mywifeloveswrestling too! #couplecomedy #relationshipgoals #Attitude #90s
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everybody, and welcome to the My Wife Loves Wrestling Podcast.
I'm Miles Webber and she loves wrestling, so do I good?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, We're going to keep it that way works. It's
this works.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It's it's a dynamic that we share, I think more
than anything else. And I'm not going to eat up
too much more time in the intro because I'm very
excited me too about our guests today, Very very excited.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Our guest today is.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
An absolute legend in the world of pro wrestling, from
ECW to WW to Impact.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He's done it all.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
You know him for the iconic what does Everybody Want chant,
unforgettable characters, and now is the owner of Ohio Valley
Wrestling or OVW. He's also the star of the Netflix
docu series Wrestlers, which gave fans a behind the scenes
look at the passion and chaos of running a wrestling promotion.
He's a wrestling mind, a mentor to the next generation,
and hands down one of the funniest people on the Internet.
(00:54):
He's what everybody knows, wants and loves. Give it up
for al Snow, ladies and gentlemen, Al thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Thank you, guys. Very much for giving me the time.
I really appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Absolutely fantastic man.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So we're obviously big wrestle heads here, but I think
we always start from the same place with ourselves and
guests on the show, which is when did you fall
in love with wrestling?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And what did that look like when it happened.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, you know, we don't want to talk about what
it looked like. But I was pretty young, you know.
I grew up in Ohio and this was long before
this was another era of time, not so far back
to the Stone Age, where men wrestled, you know, bears
(01:46):
for a living. But I was back in the territorial days,
and I grew up in the area where in far
Hat the original sheet owned the territory, and I grew
up with that influence, fell in love with it them,
and I saw it. And then I was fourteen years
(02:06):
old and proudly proclaimed to my family that I was
going to be a professional wrestler. And surprisingly, each one
of them, on both sides of my mother and father's
extended family, all said, why do you want to do that?
That's fake? And I was aghast, shocked, bemused, befuddled, confused,
(02:30):
but sallied forth and started wrestling when I was eighteen
and been doing it ever since.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
That's amazing. I love that was just from the get
what you wanted to do. So that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And also I resonate with a family telling them what
you want to do, because I remember being young telling
my family I wanted to be a comedian and they
were just like, what are we doing right now?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Why?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So, like for you was there at what point do
they start to come around does that happen? Like's what
needed to happen where they're like, okay, they needed to.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Be able to see me on TV. So you know,
from eighteen to you know, I don't know, I was.
I had been wrestling for probably twelve thirteen years, you know,
doing fine, making a living. But in you know, my
I remember having a conversation with my mother at one
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point was like, what are you going to stop this
and get a real job? And I'm like, I pay
my bills through this. This is a real job, I think,
And I paid my taxes, you know, so for my description,
it's a real job. But it wasn't until ECW I
the second time I was first time I was there
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and I was, and they were starting to break out
a little bit out of the regional area with TV
wise and they were starting to go national, and a
few of my family members caught me on TV and
then that kind of substantiated the uh belief that yeah,
he's actually doing this for a living. And then once
(04:04):
I went to w W lef, well, you know, now everybody,
that's my that's my cousin, that's my uh you know,
that's my family member.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Now all of a sudden, everybody's on board.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah yeah, everybody was ready to go.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
We get that because yeah, once there's a little bit
of cloud out there and oh yeah, yeah we know him.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, oh yeah absolutely.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Heart just signed this autograph for my friend. They're a
big fan.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Perfect, They're like, you signed this mannequin head place? That
would be fantastic. It's just like, why do you have
a bunch of these? I keep them in my white man.
It's totally fine. There are no windows, right.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Exactly exactly, So final, Yeah, that's that checks.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I always see the parallels between comedians and wrestlers in
a lot of ways, and so that's another one where
they're just like.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Oh, yeah, well, what are you doing right now? But
I feel like I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
One you start telling the government that that's what you do,
You're just like, no, I picked people up and I
slam them out on the ground like and I'm like, oh, yeah, no,
I tell jokes and they're like, okay, well that's probably
your job job then, right.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, I make a living for forty three years
fake fighting other men in their underwear for money. So
you know, it's been great.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Living the dream.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Really know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, when you got started, who did you train with?
Who did you train under?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
When I first broke into wrestling, a journeyman wrestler by
the name of Big Jim Lancaster was the one who
mentored me and basically brought me into the business. It
was very, very different back then because it was very closed,
very secular. I tell people they think I'm exaggerating, but
it quite honestly. I never attempted to be just so
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we'll make this clear, but it was easier to be
a made man the mafia that it was to be
accepted in the professional wrestling because they were so so
close knit. And one of the rules back then was
that whomever you brought in you were then completely one
hundred percent responsible for So if they did anything to
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be a detriment to business, then that came back on
the person who had spoke up for them and said, hey,
let's allow this person in, and that put their livelihood
at risk. So not too many people were too willing to,
you know, open the doors up and let you come in.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, that's I've heard similar things. That feels like it's
weird to say now, like such an old schomm mentality,
But that's just how I feel like a lot of
things were back then, because I've worked for bookers in
the stand up comedy space where they said the same
type of thing. It's like, oh, you want to recommend
your friend for this gig, Well, just so you know,
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if they suck, then I'm going to stop booking you
as a or anything or anything they do off stage.
I mean yeah, so it's just how they carry themselves
overall as a professional. That's going to be a reflection
of you. Which does I think make it where a
recommendation holds weight? Wouldn't you say to get you into
those doors?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Absolutely? And the parallels between the stand up comic world
and wrestling are They're numerous. I mean the you know,
there's that same sense of the rules of etiquette and
you know, and behavior, and like you said, you know,
we're basically the most valuable thing you have is your name. Uh,
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you know, it's it's worth more than anything else. And
you never let you you never do anything, and you
never let anyone besmorts that because you know it takes
you years to build that name and it takes seconds
to story.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
That's true, very true.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And you spoke to just kind of like how it
was getting into the business back then. How do you
think it's changed today? In what ways is it different
today as far as breaking into the wrestling industry.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Well, it's much much kinder, much gentler uh business, you know,
and and some would say that's good, and in some
ways it is, but I think it shouldn't be. I
think that, you know it, it should be a challenge
and it should be a trial. Uh. You know, when
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I first got into the wrestling business, it was a
challenge just to even get somebody willing to accept responsibility
and put their name on me. Then once I got
beat my foot in the door, then I had to
earn my way into the locker room. Then I had
to earn my way in onto the cart, onto the show.
Then I had to keep my place on that show
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because everyone was always competing to take it away, and
you were the new guys, so you had to constantly
every single night prove yourself, both within the locker room
and out in front of an audience. And I would
say that probably mirrors a lot in the stand up world,
because both are so highly competitive to where you're you know,
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always someone's always struggling to take your spot to if
nothing else, just find their way up onto the show
and take you know. Now they don't need you anymore.
And I think that it breeds a different type of entertainer,
(09:41):
you know, someone who is really driven by passion and
is not there because I find today, and this is
a generalization, so I don't want to do too much
of that, but I do find that a large majority
of people, not just in wrestling or or comedy or
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acting or other pursuits, I think they pursue those things
in the vein of just wanting to be famous. That
that is ultimately that's the goal. It's to be famous,
which in turn they believe they equate success to fame.
And I've learned fame and success I have nothing in common.
You know. You can be successful and not be famous.
(10:25):
You can be famous and not be successful, you know.
And I think too many people these days are pursuing
things not because they're passionate to do them, They're pursuing
them for external validational.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Oh yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean,
I know, we man.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
That was a deep answer.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Okay, yeah, I know right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I boke a sweat on that list.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I mean, I truly like between being with him for
twelve years and seeing the comedy industry, like we see
that in the entertainment even with me. I've been a
personal trainer for seventeen years and so I've worked with
boxers and fighters, and I think there's so many people
that like, they want the wind, they want the fame,
but the work that has to go into it they're
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not really crazy about.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
The notoriety has to be a byproduct. I feel like
of the drive and determination you have, the passion you
spoke to as far as like, I do this because
I love it. I do this because it makes me
happy to make people happy in this capacity, and that
being your north star, the fame and all the other
stuff that can come and go and it'll ever flow.
(11:38):
But as long as you're just going on your highest
passion for what it is that you're acting upon, that's
such the biggest thing. And you also spoke to another
thing that I've talked about in the comedy space constantly,
which is like getting your foot in the door and
then climbing through the ranks, but understanding that there's always
somebody on your heels who's trying to take where you're
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They're trying to take your spot, they're fighting for your spot.
I equate to like with the stand up county space.
It's like it's your host, or you're a feature or
a middle act, or you're a headliner, and you work
up in those ranks, and once you get the headliner,
that's now your title to defend. You don't just coast.
You're gonna have hungry openers who are going to be
coming for you, and they're all just about I'm gonna
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swing that hammer as hard as I possibly can so
that way people come up to me and go, you
should have headlined after the show and not shying away
from those people. I think, like you said, it sharpens
the tool. It challenges you to make sure that your
game stays elevated and is constantly growing and evolving and
changing because you've got to be in those spaces. So
I agree with you the more competitive nature of things.
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I do see the benefit of it absolutely, with.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
How they the pressure, with how things are changing. How
do you feel like that's helped you in navigating like
your students with OBW.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Boy, I don't know. It's tough, you know. I I
find myself wanting them to succeed more than I think
they themselves do, and I've got to mitigate my passion
for wanting them to succeed and directed in a manner
that's a little more acceptable as opposed to maybe choking
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them until they shit their pains. You know that.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I mean, that's what you've been doing good for a while,
and it's been helpful.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Goodness.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, really clears out the bowels and it's kind of
quite cathartic. But you know that, I think that is again,
it's a you witness And I've seen this for years
with multiple people from different backgrounds, different athletic backgrounds that
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have come in enamored and romanticized vision of professional wrestling,
and then when they discover one, Wow, this does physically
take a lot of work and a lot of dedication.
And two it hurts a lot, Like it really sucks
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ass every day. And I see lots that come in
with these ideas and I see lots quit, you know
they And then on the conversely, I see lots that
continue to pursue it but then just never fully invest.
And you know they could do it and could be
(14:42):
successful if they really were just to finally get one
hundred up off the couch and believe in themselves.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
And it's hard because it gets frustrated. You can't make
people believe in themselves. You have to.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Let them hopefully unfortunately unfortunately. Right Yeah, I mean if
you can just it's the same with change.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You can't change four people. They have to want it
within themselves. And so it is just a lot of
inner work that absolutely goes into it.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And I will say, like, people don't realize how much
that shit hurts. I trained for about two years down
in LA. I was trying to make it all tough enough,
and so I was working towards that. So it's training
for a couple of years down in LA with Rick Drayson.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And oh yeah, Rick, Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Trained with him down there, which I miss him so much.
But yeah, that shit hurts. That sh hurts, and people
don't realize it when you're just watching it.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah yeah, the uh you know, I don't want to dwell,
but I mean, I live in pain every day. If
I were to, you know, after forty three years, if
I didn't wake up tomorrow and not something hurt, I'd
ask my wife to kick me in the Jimmy So
I feel normal for a dinner.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Got to balance it out.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Are you even alive at that point if you're not
in some type of Jimmy Payne? I mean to that
effect though, to speak to it because I like asking
wrestlers this question, which is what move you think in
ring was the most painful to receive just for perspective
for people, because I feel like most people think it's
going to be something with like obviously the weapons that
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happened in wrestling are the obvious ones, but I mean,
like certain slams we've heard hurt more than other things.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
So what do you think was the most painful thing?
To take?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
All of them? Every one of them? They all they're
enough fun there. I tell people this all the time
eye years ago when wrestling was really hot, you know,
back in the late nineties in early two thousands. It
motivated some I can't remember what university did. It was
a university Connecticut and the other physics department, and they
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did a study and to where when you see us
take a bump in the ring, and that's what we
call it, take a bump. So just like what we
call a typical back pump. You see somebody hit somebody
with a punch, or they hit them on the shoulder
tackle and they just fall back. Every time you see that,
the force of striking that match of the equivalent of
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about twenty two to twenty five mile per hour car accident.
So now as you go take bigger ones, well they
exponentially go up, you know. And if you think of
the number of those that you see in one match,
and then you think of the number of nights, Like
when we used to be, you know, back then, our
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schedule was we went out Friday for our house show.
Saturday was an house show. Sunday was either a pay
per view where a house show, Monday was raw, Tuesday
was back down. We went home. We got home by
Wednesday afternoon, from wherever we were on the road, had
Thursday to ourselves. We're back out on Friday every single week,
fifty two weeks a year.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
That's insane. That's insane.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
That's wild. That's wild. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Thing I when I first broke in years ago, you know,
when we in the regional days, you know, we were
operating seven days a week. You know, we would work
Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, and of course a
little easier travel because everything was by car. We weren't
trying to travel nationally. We're doing regionally. But you know,
some of the car rides were three to six hours long,
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and you know Friday, Saturday and then Sunday and then
back out Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Well, I think people don't realize on top of the
physicality of what you do, traveling is exhausting. Traveling itself
is art on the body, and then you're changing like
your diet, you're eating, your hydration levels.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Which is so much of fun.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
The fitness aspect, because you've got to be most wrestlers
are physical specimens and so it's just like being able
to coordinate, Okay, like I know I may be able
to get like a chicken breast from the waffle house
if I can get them.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
To cook it the right way or something.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And it's just like that whole concept of like I'm lucky,
where it's just like I got to I put on pants,
I can go tell jokes.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I'm fine. But the fact you got to see.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Workout in while you're still recovering from what your body
just took is such a wild concept that I feel
like people don't understand.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I'm the Patrick Swayzey of the waffle house.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
There you go, the road the road waffle house as
it were, right.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah. I mean, if if I were to, you know,
go to a regular like a four star restaurant, nobody's
going pay attention. I walk into the waffle house, I
am Patrick sway just like his road house. I'm there
to keep the peace.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So that for you, hilarious, that's the best. That's the best.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I do want to ask because I know in the
stand up space there would be times where I have
like a joke or something that I might be really
proud of and then I'm like, all right, let me
share it with the world, and it does okay, it's
received in a positive way, but it's always for me
the thing that I am thinking the least of, or
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it's just kind of something that was kind of like casually,
like this throwaway, and then that is that the people
are like, oh yeah, more of that.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And I'm like that thing, what do you talk about?
Really like?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And so there's like a weird lens that I view
it through when it happens in the moment, but then
later I might go back and be like, Okay, I
guess I understand. So to that effect, did you think
that the head gimmick when you came up with it
was going to catch fire like it did? And what
was your thoughts on when it was happening and as
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it changed it all?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Now looking back, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
When I was first trying to put it together, I thought,
you know, the in the vernacular of wrestling. I thought
it would be a heel. I'd be the guy that
people would not like because I was going to be crazy,
And it turned out to be exactly the opposite. They
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loved it. And in fact, in ECW, which was so weird,
is that I would I would wrestle and they would
cheer for me, and if I lost, I would of
course blame the head for the loss, and then I
would beat the head up and they would start bullying me.
But if I grabbed like a girl and I threw
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her around the ring, they would cheer me. And I'm like,
wait a minute, you don't mind me beating the girl up,
but if I beat up an animate object you get upset.
This makes no sense to me, So you know, that
was how weird ECW fans were. I'd drop a girl
on top of her head and they'd be like, oh, yeah,
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he's awesome. And then I'd get angry and beat the
head up and they'd be like, oh, you stup, what
do you do?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
But he has right, that has right.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
He has right, dead has right. Didn't you know? I
couldn't foresee it at the time, and I didn't. I
now understand why it worked, and and I try to
impart this to everybody that I teach nowadays, because it
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was an insight and I really took contizance. It took
a couple of times were of reflection and I'm like, oh, yeah,
that h finally you put it together. Now too late,
I mean, I'm too old to do it. But that's
that's my timing in life. The reason it worked and
and every time I've ever had in wrestling, and this
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applies to whether it's state up, comedy or quite anything
in life. The second I had the most success in
wrestling was when people could believe in who I was, period,
and people believed genuinely that I was. If you were
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to ask ten people, nine would say, yeah, he's truly insane,
he's completely out of his mind, and they really believed that.
I believed that I can hear voices from the head
and would interact with it. And that's what was the thing.
No matter what you do, what you pursue, if people
will believe in who you are, then they will believe
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in anything you say, and they will believe in absolutely
anything you do, in no iffens or butts. And the
more that they can believe in you, the more successful
you will be.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah, I mean people pick up on if you don't
believe in what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
An audience is a living, breathing organism, and they are
smarter than we all give them credit for most of
the time. They can smell bullshit a mile away, and so.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
That's such stories.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You've got to have authenticity you're the more and that's
the thing because I had coach comedians and that's something
I'm constantly telling them is.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Right when they start.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
When you start out, you're trying to think of how
do I appease to people? And how do I appease
to this audience. When in actuality, the more you lean
into who you are fundamentally as a person, the more
authentic you are, people will see themselves in that version
of you ten times out of ten more than whatever
you were trying to curate for them for their approval.
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So yes, I agree wholeheartedly, being your authentic self is
the way to go.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
What I'm curious about, especially like being in the entertainment
world with you playing that up so much in front
of the camera, how does that work for toning it
down when you're not on camera? Like was it easy
for you to dial it up and down?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But when I was not on camera, especially back during
that period of time. And this is where wrestlers should
differ from other entertainers, and that is I've sold you
who I am. I've sold you that i'm and you've
fought and you believe that I'm a schizophrenic guy who
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talks to a head. Well, when you see me and
believe me, this was not comfortable. A lot of times
you see me out at the restaurant, Well guess what's
sitting on the table across from me, and I'm arguing
with the head. And you know, if I'm at the
rental car counter, right up around the counter and I
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need I need a do you have a car seat?
And okay, well they don't have car seats. Well you're
gonna have to use the seat belt. I know it
chokes you, but you have to be saying you know, uh.
And I can't tell you the number of times I
was kicked out of restaurants, you know where they're like, hey, sorry,
you're you're making the other customers uncomfortable. And I'm like, well,
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they're making us uncomfortable, So who's gonna win, Like we're
gonna call the cops. And I'm like, well, okay, you know,
And I would buy dinner for both myself and the head,
and then of course i'd take it back to the
room and eat it later because they're watching the figure.
But you know the reason I did that was because
you know, if you and your what you guys, are
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out at dinner and you see me and then a
week or two weeks later, you're flipping through the channels
and here I come walking out on wrong and you
yell in the kitchen, hey, come out of here, honey,
there's that lunatic we saw at the restaurant. Now you
one hundred percent believe in me, and you believe in
anything I do. And let's face it, I add the
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stuff I did on TV where I wrestled myself, I
wrestled midgets, I wrestled the head. I had a deer
head that I talked to and then had a eulogy,
a twelve minute eulogy for a deer head on national TV,
and no one turned the channel. So you know, I
got away with a lot of ridiculousness.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I don't know that I've got.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
I was one of the hoes for Godfather at one point.
Everybody's like, that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Dare I say the best hoe?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I don't think I really feel like a a high
quality prostitute, a.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
High end like for athletes or congressman.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
You know, yeah, I'm a call girl.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I've never spoken to anybody more dedicated to anything that is.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Fantastic, dedicated to the craft.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's special. I mean, like in
a lot of ways, but so so amazing. Part of
me that's bummed that cell phones weren't a thing when
you were doing that just to be able to reminisce.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
But I also.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Understand how awful it would be if they were.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Well, yeah, man, you would have went so viral.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I people were like, look at this guy talking to
this Mannekin like having this argument. We're at a where
a Carvana right now and he's just trying to get
a car for him in the head. You did talk
about like some of the wild storylines you were part
of on Behalf of Our Friends. She did want us
to mention and thank you for traumatizing her as a
child with the Pepper storyline with Big Boss Man that
(28:18):
was She's like, oh, you're talking about welcome thank him
for that.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Well, I really appreciate.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Who whose idea was that and how did that even
come to fruition? And what was it like working with
Big Bossman on the idea, because I've heard that you know,
behind the scenes he was a very nice, cooperative guy
to work with. Like, what was that whole storyline like
from start to finish?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Oh, here are some of the highlights. First off, to
answer your question, Russo and Rousseau, I had seen The
Son of Sam and then the movie apparently the killer
believe that Achuaala was talking to him, and so he
came and pitched me the idea, and I was like, okay,
(29:08):
I'll do it. I mean, what do I got to lose.
I mean, I'm you know. That was the one thing
about being crazy is I could do anything. I could
get away with anything, and that was a big help
and it made me creatively pretty open to direction. So
he had laid out even the kennel from health and
(29:28):
I went, okay, so please tell me you're going to
get highly trained animals. I think because Vince, even people
who work in porn know, you know, kids and animals
will upstage you every time. So he's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
we're going to get highly trained, which they didn't. They
just went to a veterinarian clinic in Detroit the first
night and got a list of owners who had Chuwala puppies.
(29:51):
And today I had Pepper and that was it. And
that poor dog was traumatized from all the pirate road
going off, and it was always shaken. It was starting
to lose its hair. Boss Man would come out with
his night stick, knowing as I was holding the dog
in my arm. He would hit the step with the
battle step with his baton and the dog would peet
(30:13):
down my arm every time and I'm like, quit doing that, man,
just stop, and he just giggle. You know, but it,
you know, it came up. It gave me the ability
to pull off the best on val Venus and I
(30:34):
don't think anybody's ever out done it since when. Because
this is all just so you guys know, this was
a fix, a little darker turn. The Pepper angle was
based on a true story of the wrestler by the
name of Mister Fuji. Had a neighbor and a small
dog that marked all the time, and Fuji hated the dog,
and the one point the dog went missing and the
(30:58):
neighbor was distraught and Fuji invited him over for dinner
and fed him the dog. So that's where the you
know they gimmick came from. And I remember while we
were doing the story on TV after Boss Man a
kidnap Pepper, they came. Vince Rousill came to me one
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night and I was like, hey, I need you to
do one of the missing posters for the dog. I'm like, okay.
So I go to the office and I make up
a poster, and Blue minis with me, and he goes,
you need a phone number. I go, I put mine
on there, he don't put mine. I go. Christian Cage
is standing there with us, and we looked down the
(31:42):
hallway and Valves just coming out of one of the
other dressing rooms. Val Venus, and he goes, put vows on.
I go, okay, And it's funny because val we'll tell
you the story. He looked down and saw the two
of us laughing, and he's like, what's going on? And
we were like, oh, nothing like a couple of school journals.
And ran into the locker room. So they film a
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promoed me with the poster, you know, pleading for my dog.
So it airs on Sunday night, heat On, and we're
in Philadelphia at the Spectrum. They have TVs in the
locker room and val Vinas and I are in the
same locker room and it comes up on the show
(32:23):
that segment and I'm like, oh crap. So I go
hide outside the door and it airs and I hear
his phone ring and I hear him go I'm standing
with my ear by the door and I hear him
go hello, and he goes, oh, h you got the
wrong number. Yeah, you want my mom, which apparently his
mother bred dogs, so somebody had seen the phone number
(32:47):
on TV and called his phone and he thought, you know,
it's just the wrong number, and I was like, thank God.
Then the next night we go to Boston, Massachusetts, and
we're live on WRAW and then through so he goes, hey,
can you do that poster again? I go what He goes, yeah,
can you do the poster again? You bet I can.
And I put VAL's number on there again, and Bubba
(33:09):
Dean the camera guys like, you know, we're about to go.
I'm gonna go live on RAW for two minutes, two
minutes and you know, and I'm like, Bubba, I'm going
to hold this poster up. And every time I pointed
to this number, you zoom right in. Just focus on
the number. And he's like, whose number is that? I go,
do you care? He goes no, and I go great.
(33:31):
So two minutes of me going hey, and if you
see my dog, call me, call me, call me. Two
minutes about two thirty in the morning, I'm getting something
to eat at some diner or whatever in Massachusetts and
ring and it's Val and he's like, you, son of
a bitch. He was getting thousands of phone calls. It
(33:57):
was ringing non stop all night. They filled up his
voicemail and we still had national pagers back then. It
went from his phone to his pager and he had
to change his number the next day. It was it
was awesome and he was a great That was a
great sport.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Oh, I'll change my number, I guess.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Oh my god, that's amazing, iconic, absolutely iconic.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
No, not, it's ten out of ten.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
That was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Man and his mom being the glomer like that, that's
the Oh that's so perfect, the perfect odds. Oh yeah,
she's probably like, oh, I'm gonna get all this business.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Why are people calling you so much?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Damn it, I will say, because we have a pug
Chihuahua mix and you can't train to do now and
they're just afraid of everything.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, all the everything was a threat. So yeah, I
get that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Now to branch, like, I feel like this is a
good segue into like your humor, because I mean, it
wasn't too long ago that my wife started paying me.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
She's like, are you following else?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Online?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And I'm just like, I mean, on some things, but
I feel like not the right things what you're talking about.
She's just like, his posts on Facebook are next level hilarious,
and I'm like really, and so I'm going I'm like, oh,
these are brilliant.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I love these.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Oh god, I mean, it seems like you spend a
lot of time at the zoo, which I love for you.
So we do have a great zoo here, but there
you go see fantastic and you've been kicked out of
it enough times.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I think that that's probably it's rough.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Have you always been funny or was that something that
happened to you at a certain point in life.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I don't know if I'm funny. I think I find
basically there's nothing I don't find funny. And like, if
you are one of those people who know, oh yeah,
that you shouldn't say that, you know that's offensive, I'll
be like, well, we can't be friends because I'm telling you, like,
(36:17):
thank God, God gave me a sense of humor, because
I find, especially in this business and the ridiculousness of
things that happen only in this business, you got to laugh.
I mean, it's some of it's so absurd, and just
you know, I've gotten a chance to branch out and
(36:39):
work in you know, other mediums like that, you know,
doing some acting and stuff. You know, look, I'm not
saying it was good. I'm just saying I did it so.
And you know, you'll hear the actors telling stories and
then you start you tell one that's pretty tame from
the wrestling business, and they're like, there's no way, and
you're like, no, yeah it is, and these people really
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exist and yeah, uh, you know, and you just have
to laugh. I mean, because it's everything. Everything is funny
in some manner, it all, it all was, and God
gave us a sense of humor just so we can
we can make it through life a little easier. Why
not enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I think it's helpful when you have a larger net
of like, oh no, everything's funny, and I can find
the funny and things, because if not, what's the alternative?
So I love that.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I love true.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Who would you say was the in your times of
working in many locker rooms over your career, who also
has been some of the funniest, like with the funniest
person that was really really funny.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Behind the scenes, there are a.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Lot of a lot of guys that you wouldn't really suspect,
like you know, Brad Armstrong maybe not a name you
guys really know, not on a national level, but you
know he was back at w C w DA's and
was was a very funny guy. Steve Regel, his lordship,
Steve Rigel can be a very funny, very dry humor.
(38:09):
Midian was in the locker room a lot of times
just because he was He was locker room morale. You
know how he came up with the naked Midian gimmick.
I don't know if you guys remember that one, just
just with a fanny pack and nothing else on. And
you know that legitimately happened in Connecticut one day when
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we were myself, Perry Saturn, and Midian were walking to
Dave Henner, who was the road agent, and we were
to do a meet and greet with families with children,
and then here comes Midian walking up behind me and
all he has on are his shoes and the fanny pack.
And the look on Dave Hebner and the family's faces
(38:55):
as he walked up to sign autographs was was amazing,
and then Dave stuttering and going, we don't need you, Midian,
and then he turned and walked away with his as
just going down the hallway like, Okay, well, if you
need me, let me know. I'll be down the hall way.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I'm not going to leave backwards, so going to go
back into a bush like Homer Simpson, Now.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Right, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I'm thirty four weeks pregnant and she's just like, what
the hell are you doing? As far as like across
the board, whether it's OVW or anywhere else, who do
you feel like right now? Really gets it when it
comes to I guess the craft listening to the audience
(39:47):
kind of thinking on the fly.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
That's tough because that's a lost art and it's not
being communicated to the new talent, and it's not being
taught a lot of a lot of the new thought
process is a very formulatic approach, which doesn't work at
all in anything any kind of performance, but certainly doesn't
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in wrestling and the understanding of what you know, what
you're really out there attempting to do so in wrestling
we call it to work a wrestling match. The term
work is lost in these days, the definition of what
it really is and a work is a sham, it's
(40:34):
a con it's to make you believe a lie. And
it's important that you understand that concept because there's only
one lie in wrestling. There's only one thing that's fake,
and that's just the outcome, just the intent behind what
you're doing in the ring, not the physicality of it,
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just the intent behind it and the consequence thereof. Those
are the only things that you're in the ring to
convince an audience of I'm not in that ring to
convince you that I'm really body slamming the guy, because
you're never going to believe that you have no relatability
to anything that I'm physically doing in the ring. A
(41:20):
good analogy of that would be, or a good explanation
would be. The reason baseball, football, basketball have enormous audiences
in the United States is because everyone's played them at
some point in their lives. Even if you've just played
football in the backyard, you played baseball in the little league,
or you know, or just with the family softball game,
(41:40):
you've done basketball in the driveway, you physically relate to
what you're watching. That's why hockey has a bigger audience
in Canada that does in the United States. That's why
soccer is bigger all over the rest of the world.
It's getting bigger here. Why while we have generations of
children that have all been playing and now we are
(42:01):
building an audience that relates to that sport. That's why
more old white, crotchy guys love golf. Didn't watch it
because they more of them play it. You know, the
top three televised sporting events of the world are soccer.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
The World Cup of Soccer is number one, obviously, but
surprisingly the second is not Super Bowl. It's not even
in the top ten. The seconds the World Cup of
Cricket and I have yet to be able to figure
that game out. I mean, that's weird. And the World
Cup of Rugby is the third. Why because there are
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more people around the rest of the planet to watch
those things.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
So, you know, you're not going to physically relate to
but maybe seven things that I do in the ring,
that's it. You'll never relate to how much it really
does genuinely hurt to hit the ropes. You'll never relate
to how hard that really is, that bring that is,
(43:03):
and you'll never understand that you'll never feel any of that.
You'll never feel what it feels like to be drop kicked.
You'll always equate it too. Oh, that's that's not real.
They know how to land, they know you know, you'll
have whatever you want in your head. But if I
can make you believe in the intent behind what I've done,
(43:23):
then I'm actually doing it to cause harm or to
meet the other person. Then that you can believe in.
You can believe in that, and you can believe in me,
then you'll believe in anything I do.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
I love that for so many reasons, but also because
there are not as much now. But there are a
few times that we'll be watching it and the lines
are so blurred that you kind of wonder, like, oh,
they might actually hate each other. And that does get
you more invested in it, for sure. But yeah, when
there are times where things are a little bit more
of a flop and there isn't as much intent in it,
(44:00):
it is hard to get into watching the match. So
I love that. Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Well, I think right now, the closest thing we have
to something like that is probably what seth rollins and
see him punk.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I mean, because there seems.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
To be like, oh, these two might not like each
other at all. And then what Seth just pulled off
at SummerSlam, Like you'd said, like the work, like working.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
The audience making him believe in that lie.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
We even said on this podcast a month ago, like oh, yeah, no,
he's legit injured and then kicks the crutches away and
the most dramatic means possible, and it turned out to
be a work, like he was just faking the injury
to cash in, And so I think, like, yeah, we
were talking about, like, man, when was the last time
we've seen something that was like this intricate of a
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work where there's this much k fabe that's being honored,
And yeah, it's really hard. We'd have to go back
to like a couple of decades at least with wrestling
to be able to get to a point where, you know,
like you said, it is really a lost art farm and.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
That's the fun. You know, we all, you know, contrary
to popular opinion. You know, everybody, at least here in
the United States, have known, the general audience has known
that wrestling is predetermined since the late nineteen thirties, well
into the you know, and it really started becoming evident
in the forties, and then it became very well known
(45:28):
and very prominent in the fifties on. And yet it
has continued decade after decade to draw thousands upon thousands
of people to watch it. Just this past weekend in Summersline,
they did over one hundred and thirteen thousand people over
two days. You know, and look those types of events,
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you know, granted on that scale, are are you know happening?
But I mean you go on YouTube and there's a
match between Buddy Rogers and Paddle Con I think it's
in nineteen sixty one at Kaminsky Park, Thirty eight thousand
people showed up to watch that matt watch that show,
that wrestling show that night. You know, So you know
(46:13):
why why would they even though they know that wrestling
is pretty determined, Well, because you know, you would. You
you'll go watch a magician, you hopefully you know, the
magic's not real, I hope, but you know you're going
to show up and you're going to be astounded, and
you're going to be amazed, and you're going to be hey,
how did they do that? You know, That's why Chris
(46:35):
Angel has had his own TV show that's why he
has a residency at a theater in Las Vegas. You know,
because for the period of time you can watch, you
can believe, or at least be mystified, and you can
then believe you can be entertained. And that's, you know,
the key to to the wrestling business. You know, it's
(46:58):
it's intrinsic. It's they everyone's known. We just make it
as easy as possible for you to believe. It's why
I was committed and you know, would go to dinner
with the head and go in public places, you know,
because I did not want at any point in time
to violate or make an audience feel like I had
(47:18):
sold them on something, and then now they felt like
they got hoodwinked, like they I'm not real. You know,
nothing's worse than when you buy a product or you
go and want an experience and you feel like you
got jipped, you didn't get your money's worth.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
Yeah. Well, and it's nice watching it at home. But
there is something magical, you know, because we've gone to
ww events when we were younger, we went to w CW,
We've gone to indie events, and there is something magical
about when you are there and you are experiencing it,
and even in the audience, you're feeding off of the
rest of the audience. And so it really is this
(47:57):
the sense of community that you have while you're there
watching it, that everybody gets behind and so it is very,
very magical when you are so in it for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Oh yeah, that's the thing I think that converts people
is if you can be in that space, feel the
energy and be on board that everybody. Yeah, no, it's
something magical on having you know, great matches is definitely
helpful to sell those On that subject, though, is there
a match over the span of your career that you're
really really proud of that people don't talk about a lot?
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Not really, I mean people ask all the time, you know,
like he's their favorite match? Is your favorite opponent? And
I got to be on you know, and I say
this and do mean it, Like every time I've went
out there. Now, there are some matches that I enjoyed
more than others, you know, but man, every time I
go out there, it was just it was the most
(48:51):
awesome thing to go And you know, nothing made me
feel more alive than being out there, and and I
didn't matter sometimes, especially early on, you know, I'd be
out there in front of ten people, you know, but
(49:12):
that was where some nights the challenge was being in
front of ten people in a well wit gymnasium and
figuring out, Okay, how can.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
I make them forget being self conscious and make them
forget that their neighbor can watch them react across the rain,
Because it's the psychology of anonymity.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
The more anonymous you can make an audience, the easier
they auto manipulate, and the more they're not anonymous, much
more of a challenge it is. So if I can
generate that emotion, and especially if I can get it
at a level where they'll take some kind of physical
act stand up, you know, come over to shake during,
(50:02):
then yeah, those are the most those are the most
rewarding times. And man, I you know, I've been blessed
and lucky to got gotten to do what I love
to do for as long as I've gotten to do it,
and nobody's yet to figure out. But I have no
clue what I've been doing this all far.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
So I mean, we buy it, so we're selling with
I mean, also, that's what you were saying earlier.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
I don't want to know how magic tricks are done.
I want to be fooled. I love watching magic. Don't
show me a behind the scenes saying I want to
be all in. So yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
I and I like seeing how the sausage is made.
I have friends that are magicians, and I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
How you do that?
Speaker 1 (50:44):
And I'm like, oh wow, okay, fair enough, right on,
but I keep it from you for your own sake.
Speaker 6 (50:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Lastly, if you could imagine, like when you've envisioned your
absolute prime was for your character, when ever that was
in your career, is there a type of fantasy booking
that you would do for your character and what would
that look like? Would that be winning the biggest title
one of the middle titles? Like, what does a fantasy
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booking look like for a character that you played in
your prime?
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Well, I I obviously would have wanted to be the
world champion. I mean everybody does you know? And I
think you know this is an opinion that's been voiced
to me, not just not me voicing it, but I
really think that for business that Paul Paul even missed
(51:39):
the boat not giving me the world title. That night
in Georgia at the pay per view with Shane, you
know I was, you know, obviously I was. The works
were already in place for me to go back to
w w F at at some point, but it would
have it would have hurt to put it on me
(52:01):
and then literally two weeks later, a week later, two
weeks whatever, tap tash take it off, you know, and
and be the world champion. That was I think, uh,
you know, a missed opportunity for me. And I should
have probably been a little more vocal and and you know,
(52:22):
and not just went along that. That's something also I've
learned is that you know, what you've got to really uh,
you've got to be more responsible for your own career,
not you know, being reliant on the kindness of others. Uh.
They're not going to watch out for you like you
(52:45):
should watch out for yourself. And there's nothing wrong with it,
you know, and and and and you know, I probably
should have been a little more of an asshole, uh
during my career, you know, not so easy going. And
because you know as well as I mean, you know,
in entertainment, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and you know,
(53:06):
they and people that behind the scenes that walk around
and act like their stars are the ones that a
lot of times are given those opportunities to be a star,
you know, and so you've again sometimes you know, work
the gimmick backstage as much as you have to in
front of the camera, you know, and you know that
(53:29):
that would have been probably it. You know. I think
I you know, and I had that was the key
moment in you know, where I was at. I was
at a peak physical level, but I was really really
at a point with the audience where they've wanted that
to happen. And uh, and I think that if they
(53:51):
had been given it, it really would have benefited ECW
in a as a whole. And it may sound very
uh you can just say, but I'm just from a
business standpoint, you know, from a and having years of
experience behind the scenes now looking at it from a
strictly business booking standpoint, it would have would have made
(54:14):
the right call. I agree.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
Yeah, well, I mean, and I think we're seeing that
with you know, with carrying Cross and wwe of like
people keep wanting this thing.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
And and just keeps not having happening.
Speaker 4 (54:28):
And so yeah, I think there are times, like you're saying,
where when the audience is so behind you and that
character and wanting you, wanting to see you win, and
it does kind of feel like a little bit of
a letdown when it doesn't happen that Like, yeah, even
from a business standpoint, it makes sense, like you said,
a week or two, no big deal, Like just give
them the thing.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
So yeah, for sure, absolutely, Yeah, if they were to
give carrying cross right now, you know, have you not
a world title. But if they were to give him,
you know, a direct bump up, you know, not only
way that they two weeks later used it to elevate
someone else, he would still retain that bump going forward
(55:12):
and could then parlay that into something bigger and better
down the road, you know. So I don't know why
they wouldn't necessarily want to do that, but I also
you know, it's very difficult to uh question decisions when
you're not in on things, you know a lot of
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times because the onus the responsibility. That is one thing
I've really come to understand is everyone points a figure
at the writers or the bookers, and the onus. The
responsibility is on the talent. You know, they when they
walk through that curtain, they have to they they got
to be the thing, no matter what that thing is.
(55:55):
And one of the things like that a lot of
guys don't understand is hate you want to be the
heavyweight champion, Well, you know, you've got to start walking, acting,
and even wrestling like you already are six months before
the guy in the back even has an idea to
start putting you in that spot, because if you're not
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already convincing yourself, you're never going to convince an audience
that you're going to be a threat to that existing champion.
And the heat, want, the need, the desire, that's what
heat is of that match. The gimmick of that match,
of the title match, is always on the potentiality of
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that title changing hands, nothing else, no matter what other
gimmicks you put on it. Cage match, it's a strap match,
it's a tables match, doesn't matter. If the title is
on the line, then the sole thing that's being sold
is the potential that that title might change. So if
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the champion is a babyface, they need a heel that
now is the threat in some manner that could potentially
take that title off that babyface, and either through physicality
or by hook or by crook, if it's the heels,
the champion will now that babyface has to be the
threat that somehow is going to outsmart or out wrestle
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or just out heart the heel and take that title off.
That's the heat, that's the interest, that's what motivates someone
to buy a ticket to watch it. And you have
to start portraying that long before you ever put in
that position. And a lot of guys don't understand that.
They don't know to do those things. Also don't know
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to be selfish, to know when matches aren't just to
have a good match. They are not out there to
have a lot of these guys, these young talent, a
lot of fifty to fifty wrestling, and fifty to fifty
wrestling does not sell at all, in no manner whatsoever.
(58:09):
At the very least, it should be sixty forty. In
cases where it's a match for a particular talent, it
should be seventy thirty eighty, twenty ninety ten. But they
are all conditioned that it needs to be fifty to
fifty fifty five forty five. But that's not enough. You
have to paint, you know, definitive ideas and educate because
(58:34):
everything you do in there is to make an educate
an audience to believe or disbelieve whatever you want, like
or dislike whatever you want, and see of talent in
a particular status however you want, and you can create that.
But you've got the talent. Are the ones that drive
the bus with that not not the writers, not the booker.
Speaker 4 (58:56):
Yeah, I love that. And like you were saying earlier,
you have to believe it. You have to buy into it.
And so if you're looking at two people wrestle, you
have to be able to see it go either way
because you are so bought into the heel to face
whatever it may be.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
So yeah, you can.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
You can't expect an audience believe in something that you don't.
So yeah, like the proof is in. Well, Al, we
really appreciate you taking the time to stop by and
talk to us today.
Speaker 4 (59:22):
This has been amazing. We could do this right, we
do this for hours.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
This has been absolutely fantastic. Do you want to let
people know where they can follow you online so they
could do so?
Speaker 3 (59:34):
Sure? Yeah you social media, you can follow me at
uh the real health. No, there have been some fakes,
and if somebody does fake be me, I don't get upset.
I just message them and go look in the bar higher.
I mean seriously, I mean, if you're going to be
a celebrity, why are you trying to be me? I'd
be Brad Pitt or you know, Contravolt or somebody. I
(59:57):
ain't going to be else. No, So, you know, but Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok.
I put up silly jokes, not all over mind. Sometimes
I find some some people send them to me. Sometimes
it's just my experiences with my wife, who wants to
kill me several times a day, Like you know that
(01:00:18):
Never came over the other day and I was like,
you know, knock on the door. I was like, I'm sorry,
I can't understand your accent. My wont and Jessica was like,
he's deaf. So I went, I'm sorry, I can't understand
your accent.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Yeah, I mean truly, Like I feel like you typically
like at least one joke a day, but there are
times where you give us gold and we get too
agree a day, and it's it's fantastic to pull up
Facebook and be like, oh, this is great. I'm just
going to close it because nothing's going to beat this.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
It's a welcome breakup and the chaos of the world is
just that random little joke from you, and.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Just like, ah, that's perfect. Okay, this is a good
time for media.
Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Jeck.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Now I'm going out on a high note.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
So oh good. I just feel like everyone else on
social media puts so much negative stuff up, and I
just thought, why not put funny stuff up? Just nonsense
and you know, ridiculously.
Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
We're here for it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
The world needs more nonsense than ridiculousness.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
So yes, picture that you all like, subscriber and share
sound off in the comments what you thought of the episode.
This has been My Wife Loves Wrestling podcast. I'm Miles
Webber and we will see y'all next time.
Hello everybody, and welcome to the My Wife Loves Wrestling Podcast.
I'm Miles Webber and she loves wrestling, so do I good?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, We're going to keep it that way works. It's
this works.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
It's it's a dynamic that we share, I think more
than anything else. And I'm not going to eat up
too much more time in the intro because I'm very
excited me too about our guests today, Very very excited.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Our guest today is.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
An absolute legend in the world of pro wrestling, from
ECW to WW to Impact.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He's done it all.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
You know him for the iconic what does Everybody Want chant,
unforgettable characters, and now is the owner of Ohio Valley
Wrestling or OVW. He's also the star of the Netflix
docu series Wrestlers, which gave fans a behind the scenes
look at the passion and chaos of running a wrestling promotion.
He's a wrestling mind, a mentor to the next generation,
and hands down one of the funniest people on the Internet.
(00:54):
He's what everybody knows, wants and loves. Give it up
for al Snow, ladies and gentlemen, Al thanks for being here.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Thank you, guys. Very much for giving me the time.
I really appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Absolutely fantastic man.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So we're obviously big wrestle heads here, but I think
we always start from the same place with ourselves and
guests on the show, which is when did you fall
in love with wrestling?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And what did that look like when it happened.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, you know, we don't want to talk about what
it looked like. But I was pretty young, you know.
I grew up in Ohio and this was long before
this was another era of time, not so far back
to the Stone Age, where men wrestled, you know, bears
(01:46):
for a living. But I was back in the territorial days,
and I grew up in the area where in far
Hat the original sheet owned the territory, and I grew
up with that influence, fell in love with it them,
and I saw it. And then I was fourteen years
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old and proudly proclaimed to my family that I was
going to be a professional wrestler. And surprisingly, each one
of them, on both sides of my mother and father's
extended family, all said, why do you want to do that?
That's fake? And I was aghast, shocked, bemused, befuddled, confused,
(02:30):
but sallied forth and started wrestling when I was eighteen
and been doing it ever since.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
That's amazing. I love that was just from the get
what you wanted to do. So that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And also I resonate with a family telling them what
you want to do, because I remember being young telling
my family I wanted to be a comedian and they
were just like, what are we doing right now?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Why?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
So, like for you was there at what point do
they start to come around does that happen? Like's what
needed to happen where they're like, okay, they needed to.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Be able to see me on TV. So you know,
from eighteen to you know, I don't know, I was.
I had been wrestling for probably twelve thirteen years, you know,
doing fine, making a living. But in you know, my
I remember having a conversation with my mother at one
(03:22):
point was like, what are you going to stop this
and get a real job? And I'm like, I pay
my bills through this. This is a real job, I think,
And I paid my taxes, you know, so for my description,
it's a real job. But it wasn't until ECW I
the second time I was first time I was there
(03:44):
and I was, and they were starting to break out
a little bit out of the regional area with TV
wise and they were starting to go national, and a
few of my family members caught me on TV and
then that kind of substantiated the uh belief that yeah,
he's actually doing this for a living. And then once
(04:04):
I went to w W lef, well, you know, now everybody,
that's my that's my cousin, that's my uh you know,
that's my family member.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Now all of a sudden, everybody's on board.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah yeah, everybody was ready to go.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
We get that because yeah, once there's a little bit
of cloud out there and oh yeah, yeah we know him.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, oh yeah absolutely.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Heart just signed this autograph for my friend. They're a
big fan.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Perfect, They're like, you signed this mannequin head place? That
would be fantastic. It's just like, why do you have
a bunch of these? I keep them in my white man.
It's totally fine. There are no windows, right.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Exactly exactly, So final, Yeah, that's that checks.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I always see the parallels between comedians and wrestlers in
a lot of ways, and so that's another one where
they're just like.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Oh, yeah, well, what are you doing right now? But
I feel like I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
One you start telling the government that that's what you do,
You're just like, no, I picked people up and I
slam them out on the ground like and I'm like, oh, yeah, no,
I tell jokes and they're like, okay, well that's probably
your job job then, right.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, yeah, I make a living for forty three years
fake fighting other men in their underwear for money. So
you know, it's been great.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Living the dream.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Really know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yeah, when you got started, who did you train with?
Who did you train under?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
When I first broke into wrestling, a journeyman wrestler by
the name of Big Jim Lancaster was the one who
mentored me and basically brought me into the business. It
was very, very different back then because it was very closed,
very secular. I tell people they think I'm exaggerating, but
it quite honestly. I never attempted to be just so
(05:55):
we'll make this clear, but it was easier to be
a made man the mafia that it was to be
accepted in the professional wrestling because they were so so
close knit. And one of the rules back then was
that whomever you brought in you were then completely one
hundred percent responsible for So if they did anything to
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be a detriment to business, then that came back on
the person who had spoke up for them and said, hey,
let's allow this person in, and that put their livelihood
at risk. So not too many people were too willing to,
you know, open the doors up and let you come in.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, that's I've heard similar things. That feels like it's
weird to say now, like such an old schomm mentality,
But that's just how I feel like a lot of
things were back then, because I've worked for bookers in
the stand up comedy space where they said the same
type of thing. It's like, oh, you want to recommend
your friend for this gig, Well, just so you know,
(07:00):
if they suck, then I'm going to stop booking you
as a or anything or anything they do off stage.
I mean yeah, so it's just how they carry themselves
overall as a professional. That's going to be a reflection
of you. Which does I think make it where a
recommendation holds weight? Wouldn't you say to get you into
those doors?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Absolutely? And the parallels between the stand up comic world
and wrestling are They're numerous. I mean the you know,
there's that same sense of the rules of etiquette and
you know, and behavior, and like you said, you know,
we're basically the most valuable thing you have is your name. Uh,
(07:46):
you know, it's it's worth more than anything else. And
you never let you you never do anything, and you
never let anyone besmorts that because you know it takes
you years to build that name and it takes seconds
to story.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
That's true, very true.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And you spoke to just kind of like how it
was getting into the business back then. How do you
think it's changed today? In what ways is it different
today as far as breaking into the wrestling industry.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Well, it's much much kinder, much gentler uh business, you know,
and and some would say that's good, and in some
ways it is, but I think it shouldn't be. I
think that, you know it, it should be a challenge
and it should be a trial. Uh. You know, when
(08:37):
I first got into the wrestling business, it was a
challenge just to even get somebody willing to accept responsibility
and put their name on me. Then once I got
beat my foot in the door, then I had to
earn my way into the locker room. Then I had
to earn my way in onto the cart, onto the show.
Then I had to keep my place on that show
(08:59):
because everyone was always competing to take it away, and
you were the new guys, so you had to constantly
every single night prove yourself, both within the locker room
and out in front of an audience. And I would
say that probably mirrors a lot in the stand up world,
because both are so highly competitive to where you're you know,
(09:19):
always someone's always struggling to take your spot to if
nothing else, just find their way up onto the show
and take you know. Now they don't need you anymore.
And I think that it breeds a different type of entertainer,
(09:41):
you know, someone who is really driven by passion and
is not there because I find today, and this is
a generalization, so I don't want to do too much
of that, but I do find that a large majority
of people, not just in wrestling or or comedy or
(10:02):
acting or other pursuits, I think they pursue those things
in the vein of just wanting to be famous. That
that is ultimately that's the goal. It's to be famous,
which in turn they believe they equate success to fame.
And I've learned fame and success I have nothing in common.
You know. You can be successful and not be famous.
(10:25):
You can be famous and not be successful, you know.
And I think too many people these days are pursuing
things not because they're passionate to do them, They're pursuing
them for external validational.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Oh yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean,
I know, we man.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
That was a deep answer.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Okay, yeah, I know right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I boke a sweat on that list.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I mean, I truly like between being with him for
twelve years and seeing the comedy industry, like we see
that in the entertainment even with me. I've been a
personal trainer for seventeen years and so I've worked with
boxers and fighters, and I think there's so many people
that like, they want the wind, they want the fame,
but the work that has to go into it they're
(11:14):
not really crazy about.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
The notoriety has to be a byproduct. I feel like
of the drive and determination you have, the passion you
spoke to as far as like, I do this because
I love it. I do this because it makes me
happy to make people happy in this capacity, and that
being your north star, the fame and all the other
stuff that can come and go and it'll ever flow.
(11:38):
But as long as you're just going on your highest
passion for what it is that you're acting upon, that's
such the biggest thing. And you also spoke to another
thing that I've talked about in the comedy space constantly,
which is like getting your foot in the door and
then climbing through the ranks, but understanding that there's always
somebody on your heels who's trying to take where you're
(12:00):
They're trying to take your spot, they're fighting for your spot.
I equate to like with the stand up county space.
It's like it's your host, or you're a feature or
a middle act, or you're a headliner, and you work
up in those ranks, and once you get the headliner,
that's now your title to defend. You don't just coast.
You're gonna have hungry openers who are going to be
coming for you, and they're all just about I'm gonna
(12:23):
swing that hammer as hard as I possibly can so
that way people come up to me and go, you
should have headlined after the show and not shying away
from those people. I think, like you said, it sharpens
the tool. It challenges you to make sure that your
game stays elevated and is constantly growing and evolving and
changing because you've got to be in those spaces. So
I agree with you the more competitive nature of things.
(12:45):
I do see the benefit of it absolutely, with.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
How they the pressure, with how things are changing. How
do you feel like that's helped you in navigating like
your students with OBW.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Boy, I don't know. It's tough, you know. I I
find myself wanting them to succeed more than I think
they themselves do, and I've got to mitigate my passion
for wanting them to succeed and directed in a manner
that's a little more acceptable as opposed to maybe choking
(13:27):
them until they shit their pains. You know that.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I mean, that's what you've been doing good for a while,
and it's been helpful.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Goodness.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, really clears out the bowels and it's kind of
quite cathartic. But you know that, I think that is again,
it's a you witness And I've seen this for years
with multiple people from different backgrounds, different athletic backgrounds that
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have come in enamored and romanticized vision of professional wrestling,
and then when they discover one, Wow, this does physically
take a lot of work and a lot of dedication.
And two it hurts a lot, Like it really sucks
(14:20):
ass every day. And I see lots that come in
with these ideas and I see lots quit, you know
they And then on the conversely, I see lots that
continue to pursue it but then just never fully invest.
And you know they could do it and could be
(14:42):
successful if they really were just to finally get one
hundred up off the couch and believe in themselves.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
And it's hard because it gets frustrated. You can't make
people believe in themselves. You have to.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Let them hopefully unfortunately unfortunately. Right Yeah, I mean if
you can just it's the same with change.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You can't change four people. They have to want it
within themselves. And so it is just a lot of
inner work that absolutely goes into it.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And I will say, like, people don't realize how much
that shit hurts. I trained for about two years down
in LA. I was trying to make it all tough enough,
and so I was working towards that. So it's training
for a couple of years down in LA with Rick Drayson.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
And oh yeah, Rick, Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Trained with him down there, which I miss him so much.
But yeah, that shit hurts. That sh hurts, and people
don't realize it when you're just watching it.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah yeah, the uh you know, I don't want to dwell,
but I mean, I live in pain every day. If
I were to, you know, after forty three years, if
I didn't wake up tomorrow and not something hurt, I'd
ask my wife to kick me in the Jimmy So
I feel normal for a dinner.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Got to balance it out.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Are you even alive at that point if you're not
in some type of Jimmy Payne? I mean to that
effect though, to speak to it because I like asking
wrestlers this question, which is what move you think in
ring was the most painful to receive just for perspective
for people, because I feel like most people think it's
going to be something with like obviously the weapons that
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happened in wrestling are the obvious ones, but I mean,
like certain slams we've heard hurt more than other things.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
So what do you think was the most painful thing?
To take?
Speaker 3 (16:27):
All of them? Every one of them? They all they're
enough fun there. I tell people this all the time
eye years ago when wrestling was really hot, you know,
back in the late nineties in early two thousands. It
motivated some I can't remember what university did. It was
a university Connecticut and the other physics department, and they
(16:49):
did a study and to where when you see us
take a bump in the ring, and that's what we
call it, take a bump. So just like what we
call a typical back pump. You see somebody hit somebody
with a punch, or they hit them on the shoulder
tackle and they just fall back. Every time you see that,
the force of striking that match of the equivalent of
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about twenty two to twenty five mile per hour car accident.
So now as you go take bigger ones, well they
exponentially go up, you know. And if you think of
the number of those that you see in one match,
and then you think of the number of nights, Like
when we used to be, you know, back then, our
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schedule was we went out Friday for our house show.
Saturday was an house show. Sunday was either a pay
per view where a house show, Monday was raw, Tuesday
was back down. We went home. We got home by
Wednesday afternoon, from wherever we were on the road, had
Thursday to ourselves. We're back out on Friday every single week,
fifty two weeks a year.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
That's insane. That's insane.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
That's wild. That's wild. That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Thing I when I first broke in years ago, you know,
when we in the regional days, you know, we were
operating seven days a week. You know, we would work
Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, and of course a
little easier travel because everything was by car. We weren't
trying to travel nationally. We're doing regionally. But you know,
some of the car rides were three to six hours long,
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and you know Friday, Saturday and then Sunday and then
back out Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Well, I think people don't realize on top of the
physicality of what you do, traveling is exhausting. Traveling itself
is art on the body, and then you're changing like
your diet, you're eating, your hydration levels.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Which is so much of fun.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
The fitness aspect, because you've got to be most wrestlers
are physical specimens and so it's just like being able
to coordinate, Okay, like I know I may be able
to get like a chicken breast from the waffle house
if I can get them.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
To cook it the right way or something.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And it's just like that whole concept of like I'm lucky,
where it's just like I got to I put on pants,
I can go tell jokes.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I'm fine. But the fact you got to see.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Workout in while you're still recovering from what your body
just took is such a wild concept that I feel
like people don't understand.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I'm the Patrick Swayzey of the waffle house.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
There you go, the road the road waffle house as
it were, right.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah. I mean, if if I were to, you know,
go to a regular like a four star restaurant, nobody's
going pay attention. I walk into the waffle house, I
am Patrick sway just like his road house. I'm there
to keep the peace.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So that for you, hilarious, that's the best. That's the best.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I do want to ask because I know in the
stand up space there would be times where I have
like a joke or something that I might be really
proud of and then I'm like, all right, let me
share it with the world, and it does okay, it's
received in a positive way, but it's always for me
the thing that I am thinking the least of, or
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it's just kind of something that was kind of like casually,
like this throwaway, and then that is that the people
are like, oh yeah, more of that.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And I'm like that thing, what do you talk about?
Really like?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And so there's like a weird lens that I view
it through when it happens in the moment, but then
later I might go back and be like, Okay, I
guess I understand. So to that effect, did you think
that the head gimmick when you came up with it
was going to catch fire like it did? And what
was your thoughts on when it was happening and as
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it changed it all?
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Now looking back, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
When I was first trying to put it together, I thought,
you know, the in the vernacular of wrestling. I thought
it would be a heel. I'd be the guy that
people would not like because I was going to be crazy,
And it turned out to be exactly the opposite. They
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loved it. And in fact, in ECW, which was so weird,
is that I would I would wrestle and they would
cheer for me, and if I lost, I would of
course blame the head for the loss, and then I
would beat the head up and they would start bullying me.
But if I grabbed like a girl and I threw
(21:24):
her around the ring, they would cheer me. And I'm like,
wait a minute, you don't mind me beating the girl up,
but if I beat up an animate object you get upset.
This makes no sense to me, So you know, that
was how weird ECW fans were. I'd drop a girl
on top of her head and they'd be like, oh, yeah,
(21:44):
he's awesome. And then I'd get angry and beat the
head up and they'd be like, oh, you stup, what
do you do?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
But he has right, that has right.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
He has right, dead has right. Didn't you know? I
couldn't foresee it at the time, and I didn't. I
now understand why it worked, and and I try to
impart this to everybody that I teach nowadays, because it
(22:16):
was an insight and I really took contizance. It took
a couple of times were of reflection and I'm like, oh, yeah,
that h finally you put it together. Now too late,
I mean, I'm too old to do it. But that's
that's my timing in life. The reason it worked and
and every time I've ever had in wrestling, and this
(22:39):
applies to whether it's state up, comedy or quite anything
in life. The second I had the most success in
wrestling was when people could believe in who I was, period,
and people believed genuinely that I was. If you were
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to ask ten people, nine would say, yeah, he's truly insane,
he's completely out of his mind, and they really believed that.
I believed that I can hear voices from the head
and would interact with it. And that's what was the thing.
No matter what you do, what you pursue, if people
will believe in who you are, then they will believe
(23:24):
in anything you say, and they will believe in absolutely
anything you do, in no iffens or butts. And the
more that they can believe in you, the more successful
you will be.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Yeah, I mean people pick up on if you don't
believe in what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
An audience is a living, breathing organism, and they are
smarter than we all give them credit for most of
the time. They can smell bullshit a mile away, and so.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
That's such stories.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You've got to have authenticity you're the more and that's
the thing because I had coach comedians and that's something
I'm constantly telling them is.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Right when they start.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
When you start out, you're trying to think of how
do I appease to people? And how do I appease
to this audience. When in actuality, the more you lean
into who you are fundamentally as a person, the more
authentic you are, people will see themselves in that version
of you ten times out of ten more than whatever
you were trying to curate for them for their approval.
(24:31):
So yes, I agree wholeheartedly, being your authentic self is
the way to go.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
What I'm curious about, especially like being in the entertainment
world with you playing that up so much in front
of the camera, how does that work for toning it
down when you're not on camera? Like was it easy
for you to dial it up and down?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But when I was not on camera, especially back during
that period of time. And this is where wrestlers should
differ from other entertainers, and that is I've sold you
who I am. I've sold you that i'm and you've
fought and you believe that I'm a schizophrenic guy who
(25:17):
talks to a head. Well, when you see me and
believe me, this was not comfortable. A lot of times
you see me out at the restaurant, Well guess what's
sitting on the table across from me, and I'm arguing
with the head. And you know, if I'm at the
rental car counter, right up around the counter and I
(25:37):
need I need a do you have a car seat?
And okay, well they don't have car seats. Well you're
gonna have to use the seat belt. I know it
chokes you, but you have to be saying you know, uh.
And I can't tell you the number of times I
was kicked out of restaurants, you know where they're like, hey, sorry,
you're you're making the other customers uncomfortable. And I'm like, well,
(25:57):
they're making us uncomfortable, So who's gonna win, Like we're
gonna call the cops. And I'm like, well, okay, you know,
And I would buy dinner for both myself and the head,
and then of course i'd take it back to the
room and eat it later because they're watching the figure.
But you know the reason I did that was because
you know, if you and your what you guys, are
(26:20):
out at dinner and you see me and then a
week or two weeks later, you're flipping through the channels
and here I come walking out on wrong and you
yell in the kitchen, hey, come out of here, honey,
there's that lunatic we saw at the restaurant. Now you
one hundred percent believe in me, and you believe in
anything I do. And let's face it, I add the
(26:43):
stuff I did on TV where I wrestled myself, I
wrestled midgets, I wrestled the head. I had a deer
head that I talked to and then had a eulogy,
a twelve minute eulogy for a deer head on national TV,
and no one turned the channel. So you know, I
got away with a lot of ridiculousness.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I don't know that I've got.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
I was one of the hoes for Godfather at one point.
Everybody's like, that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Dare I say the best hoe?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I don't think I really feel like a a high
quality prostitute, a.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
High end like for athletes or congressman.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
You know, yeah, I'm a call girl.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
I've never spoken to anybody more dedicated to anything that is.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Fantastic, dedicated to the craft.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's special. I mean, like in
a lot of ways, but so so amazing. Part of
me that's bummed that cell phones weren't a thing when
you were doing that just to be able to reminisce.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
But I also.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Understand how awful it would be if they were.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Well, yeah, man, you would have went so viral.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I people were like, look at this guy talking to
this Mannekin like having this argument. We're at a where
a Carvana right now and he's just trying to get
a car for him in the head. You did talk
about like some of the wild storylines you were part
of on Behalf of Our Friends. She did want us
to mention and thank you for traumatizing her as a
child with the Pepper storyline with Big Boss Man that
(28:18):
was She's like, oh, you're talking about welcome thank him
for that.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Well, I really appreciate.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Who whose idea was that and how did that even
come to fruition? And what was it like working with
Big Bossman on the idea, because I've heard that you know,
behind the scenes he was a very nice, cooperative guy
to work with. Like, what was that whole storyline like
from start to finish?
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Oh, here are some of the highlights. First off, to
answer your question, Russo and Rousseau, I had seen The
Son of Sam and then the movie apparently the killer
believe that Achuaala was talking to him, and so he
came and pitched me the idea, and I was like, okay,
(29:08):
I'll do it. I mean, what do I got to lose.
I mean, I'm you know. That was the one thing
about being crazy is I could do anything. I could
get away with anything, and that was a big help
and it made me creatively pretty open to direction. So
he had laid out even the kennel from health and
(29:28):
I went, okay, so please tell me you're going to
get highly trained animals. I think because Vince, even people
who work in porn know, you know, kids and animals
will upstage you every time. So he's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
we're going to get highly trained, which they didn't. They
just went to a veterinarian clinic in Detroit the first
night and got a list of owners who had Chuwala puppies.
(29:51):
And today I had Pepper and that was it. And
that poor dog was traumatized from all the pirate road
going off, and it was always shaken. It was starting
to lose its hair. Boss Man would come out with
his night stick, knowing as I was holding the dog
in my arm. He would hit the step with the
battle step with his baton and the dog would peet
(30:13):
down my arm every time and I'm like, quit doing that, man,
just stop, and he just giggle. You know, but it,
you know, it came up. It gave me the ability
to pull off the best on val Venus and I
(30:34):
don't think anybody's ever out done it since when. Because
this is all just so you guys know, this was
a fix, a little darker turn. The Pepper angle was
based on a true story of the wrestler by the
name of Mister Fuji. Had a neighbor and a small
dog that marked all the time, and Fuji hated the dog,
and the one point the dog went missing and the
(30:58):
neighbor was distraught and Fuji invited him over for dinner
and fed him the dog. So that's where the you
know they gimmick came from. And I remember while we
were doing the story on TV after Boss Man a
kidnap Pepper, they came. Vince Rousill came to me one
(31:21):
night and I was like, hey, I need you to
do one of the missing posters for the dog. I'm like, okay.
So I go to the office and I make up
a poster, and Blue minis with me, and he goes,
you need a phone number. I go, I put mine
on there, he don't put mine. I go. Christian Cage
is standing there with us, and we looked down the
(31:42):
hallway and Valves just coming out of one of the
other dressing rooms. Val Venus, and he goes, put vows on.
I go, okay, And it's funny because val we'll tell
you the story. He looked down and saw the two
of us laughing, and he's like, what's going on? And
we were like, oh, nothing like a couple of school journals.
And ran into the locker room. So they film a
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promoed me with the poster, you know, pleading for my dog.
So it airs on Sunday night, heat On, and we're
in Philadelphia at the Spectrum. They have TVs in the
locker room and val Vinas and I are in the
same locker room and it comes up on the show
(32:23):
that segment and I'm like, oh crap. So I go
hide outside the door and it airs and I hear
his phone ring and I hear him go I'm standing
with my ear by the door and I hear him
go hello, and he goes, oh, h you got the
wrong number. Yeah, you want my mom, which apparently his
mother bred dogs, so somebody had seen the phone number
(32:47):
on TV and called his phone and he thought, you know,
it's just the wrong number, and I was like, thank God.
Then the next night we go to Boston, Massachusetts, and
we're live on WRAW and then through so he goes, hey,
can you do that poster again? I go what He goes, yeah,
can you do the poster again? You bet I can.
And I put VAL's number on there again, and Bubba
(33:09):
Dean the camera guys like, you know, we're about to go.
I'm gonna go live on RAW for two minutes, two
minutes and you know, and I'm like, Bubba, I'm going
to hold this poster up. And every time I pointed
to this number, you zoom right in. Just focus on
the number. And he's like, whose number is that? I go,
do you care? He goes no, and I go great.
(33:31):
So two minutes of me going hey, and if you
see my dog, call me, call me, call me. Two
minutes about two thirty in the morning, I'm getting something
to eat at some diner or whatever in Massachusetts and
ring and it's Val and he's like, you, son of
a bitch. He was getting thousands of phone calls. It
(33:57):
was ringing non stop all night. They filled up his
voicemail and we still had national pagers back then. It
went from his phone to his pager and he had
to change his number the next day. It was it
was awesome and he was a great That was a
great sport.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Oh, I'll change my number, I guess.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Oh my god, that's amazing, iconic, absolutely iconic.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
No, not, it's ten out of ten.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
That was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Man and his mom being the glomer like that, that's
the Oh that's so perfect, the perfect odds. Oh yeah,
she's probably like, oh, I'm gonna get all this business.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Why are people calling you so much?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Damn it, I will say, because we have a pug
Chihuahua mix and you can't train to do now and
they're just afraid of everything.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, all the everything was a threat. So yeah, I
get that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Now to branch, like, I feel like this is a
good segue into like your humor, because I mean, it
wasn't too long ago that my wife started paying me.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
She's like, are you following else?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Online?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And I'm just like, I mean, on some things, but
I feel like not the right things what you're talking about.
She's just like, his posts on Facebook are next level hilarious,
and I'm like really, and so I'm going I'm like, oh,
these are brilliant.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I love these.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Oh god, I mean, it seems like you spend a
lot of time at the zoo, which I love for you.
So we do have a great zoo here, but there
you go see fantastic and you've been kicked out of
it enough times.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I think that that's probably it's rough.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Have you always been funny or was that something that
happened to you at a certain point in life.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I don't know if I'm funny. I think I find
basically there's nothing I don't find funny. And like, if
you are one of those people who know, oh yeah,
that you shouldn't say that, you know that's offensive, I'll
be like, well, we can't be friends because I'm telling you, like,
(36:17):
thank God, God gave me a sense of humor, because
I find, especially in this business and the ridiculousness of
things that happen only in this business, you got to laugh.
I mean, it's some of it's so absurd, and just
you know, I've gotten a chance to branch out and
(36:39):
work in you know, other mediums like that, you know,
doing some acting and stuff. You know, look, I'm not
saying it was good. I'm just saying I did it so.
And you know, you'll hear the actors telling stories and
then you start you tell one that's pretty tame from
the wrestling business, and they're like, there's no way, and
you're like, no, yeah it is, and these people really
(37:01):
exist and yeah, uh, you know, and you just have
to laugh. I mean, because it's everything. Everything is funny
in some manner, it all, it all was, and God
gave us a sense of humor just so we can
we can make it through life a little easier. Why
not enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I think it's helpful when you have a larger net
of like, oh no, everything's funny, and I can find
the funny and things, because if not, what's the alternative?
So I love that.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I love true.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Who would you say was the in your times of
working in many locker rooms over your career, who also
has been some of the funniest, like with the funniest
person that was really really funny.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Behind the scenes, there are a.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Lot of a lot of guys that you wouldn't really suspect,
like you know, Brad Armstrong maybe not a name you
guys really know, not on a national level, but you
know he was back at w C w DA's and
was was a very funny guy. Steve Regel, his lordship,
Steve Rigel can be a very funny, very dry humor.
(38:09):
Midian was in the locker room a lot of times
just because he was He was locker room morale. You
know how he came up with the naked Midian gimmick.
I don't know if you guys remember that one, just
just with a fanny pack and nothing else on. And
you know that legitimately happened in Connecticut one day when
(38:31):
we were myself, Perry Saturn, and Midian were walking to
Dave Henner, who was the road agent, and we were
to do a meet and greet with families with children,
and then here comes Midian walking up behind me and
all he has on are his shoes and the fanny pack.
And the look on Dave Hebner and the family's faces
(38:55):
as he walked up to sign autographs was was amazing,
and then Dave stuttering and going, we don't need you, Midian,
and then he turned and walked away with his as
just going down the hallway like, Okay, well, if you
need me, let me know. I'll be down the hall way.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
I'm not going to leave backwards, so going to go
back into a bush like Homer Simpson, Now.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Right, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
I'm thirty four weeks pregnant and she's just like, what
the hell are you doing? As far as like across
the board, whether it's OVW or anywhere else, who do
you feel like right now? Really gets it when it
comes to I guess the craft listening to the audience
(39:47):
kind of thinking on the fly.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
That's tough because that's a lost art and it's not
being communicated to the new talent, and it's not being
taught a lot of a lot of the new thought
process is a very formulatic approach, which doesn't work at
all in anything any kind of performance, but certainly doesn't
(40:14):
in wrestling and the understanding of what you know, what
you're really out there attempting to do so in wrestling
we call it to work a wrestling match. The term
work is lost in these days, the definition of what
it really is and a work is a sham, it's
(40:34):
a con it's to make you believe a lie. And
it's important that you understand that concept because there's only
one lie in wrestling. There's only one thing that's fake,
and that's just the outcome, just the intent behind what
you're doing in the ring, not the physicality of it,
(40:57):
just the intent behind it and the consequence thereof. Those
are the only things that you're in the ring to
convince an audience of I'm not in that ring to
convince you that I'm really body slamming the guy, because
you're never going to believe that you have no relatability
to anything that I'm physically doing in the ring. A
(41:20):
good analogy of that would be, or a good explanation
would be. The reason baseball, football, basketball have enormous audiences
in the United States is because everyone's played them at
some point in their lives. Even if you've just played
football in the backyard, you played baseball in the little league,
or you know, or just with the family softball game,
(41:40):
you've done basketball in the driveway, you physically relate to
what you're watching. That's why hockey has a bigger audience
in Canada that does in the United States. That's why
soccer is bigger all over the rest of the world.
It's getting bigger here. Why while we have generations of
children that have all been playing and now we are
(42:01):
building an audience that relates to that sport. That's why
more old white, crotchy guys love golf. Didn't watch it
because they more of them play it. You know, the
top three televised sporting events of the world are soccer.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
The World Cup of Soccer is number one, obviously, but
surprisingly the second is not Super Bowl. It's not even
in the top ten. The seconds the World Cup of
Cricket and I have yet to be able to figure
that game out. I mean, that's weird. And the World
Cup of Rugby is the third. Why because there are
(42:37):
more people around the rest of the planet to watch
those things.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
So, you know, you're not going to physically relate to
but maybe seven things that I do in the ring,
that's it. You'll never relate to how much it really
does genuinely hurt to hit the ropes. You'll never relate
to how hard that really is, that bring that is,
(43:03):
and you'll never understand that you'll never feel any of that.
You'll never feel what it feels like to be drop kicked.
You'll always equate it too. Oh, that's that's not real.
They know how to land, they know you know, you'll
have whatever you want in your head. But if I
can make you believe in the intent behind what I've done,
(43:23):
then I'm actually doing it to cause harm or to
meet the other person. Then that you can believe in.
You can believe in that, and you can believe in me,
then you'll believe in anything I do.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
I love that for so many reasons, but also because
there are not as much now. But there are a
few times that we'll be watching it and the lines
are so blurred that you kind of wonder, like, oh,
they might actually hate each other. And that does get
you more invested in it, for sure. But yeah, when
there are times where things are a little bit more
of a flop and there isn't as much intent in it,
(44:00):
it is hard to get into watching the match. So
I love that. Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Well, I think right now, the closest thing we have
to something like that is probably what seth rollins and
see him punk.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I mean, because there seems.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
To be like, oh, these two might not like each
other at all. And then what Seth just pulled off
at SummerSlam, Like you'd said, like the work, like working.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
The audience making him believe in that lie.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
We even said on this podcast a month ago, like oh, yeah, no,
he's legit injured and then kicks the crutches away and
the most dramatic means possible, and it turned out to
be a work, like he was just faking the injury
to cash in, And so I think, like, yeah, we
were talking about, like, man, when was the last time
we've seen something that was like this intricate of a
(44:48):
work where there's this much k fabe that's being honored,
And yeah, it's really hard. We'd have to go back
to like a couple of decades at least with wrestling
to be able to get to a point where, you know,
like you said, it is really a lost art farm and.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
That's the fun. You know, we all, you know, contrary
to popular opinion. You know, everybody, at least here in
the United States, have known, the general audience has known
that wrestling is predetermined since the late nineteen thirties, well
into the you know, and it really started becoming evident
in the forties, and then it became very well known
(45:28):
and very prominent in the fifties on. And yet it
has continued decade after decade to draw thousands upon thousands
of people to watch it. Just this past weekend in Summersline,
they did over one hundred and thirteen thousand people over
two days. You know, and look those types of events,
(45:49):
you know, granted on that scale, are are you know happening?
But I mean you go on YouTube and there's a
match between Buddy Rogers and Paddle Con I think it's
in nineteen sixty one at Kaminsky Park, Thirty eight thousand
people showed up to watch that matt watch that show,
that wrestling show that night. You know, So you know
(46:13):
why why would they even though they know that wrestling
is pretty determined, Well, because you know, you would. You
you'll go watch a magician, you hopefully you know, the
magic's not real, I hope, but you know you're going
to show up and you're going to be astounded, and
you're going to be amazed, and you're going to be hey,
how did they do that? You know, That's why Chris
(46:35):
Angel has had his own TV show that's why he
has a residency at a theater in Las Vegas. You know,
because for the period of time you can watch, you
can believe, or at least be mystified, and you can
then believe you can be entertained. And that's, you know,
the key to to the wrestling business. You know, it's
(46:58):
it's intrinsic. It's they everyone's known. We just make it
as easy as possible for you to believe. It's why
I was committed and you know, would go to dinner
with the head and go in public places, you know,
because I did not want at any point in time
to violate or make an audience feel like I had
(47:18):
sold them on something, and then now they felt like
they got hoodwinked, like they I'm not real. You know,
nothing's worse than when you buy a product or you
go and want an experience and you feel like you
got jipped, you didn't get your money's worth.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
Yeah. Well, and it's nice watching it at home. But
there is something magical, you know, because we've gone to
ww events when we were younger, we went to w CW,
We've gone to indie events, and there is something magical
about when you are there and you are experiencing it,
and even in the audience, you're feeding off of the
rest of the audience. And so it really is this
(47:57):
the sense of community that you have while you're there
watching it, that everybody gets behind and so it is very,
very magical when you are so in it for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Oh yeah, that's the thing I think that converts people
is if you can be in that space, feel the
energy and be on board that everybody. Yeah, no, it's
something magical on having you know, great matches is definitely
helpful to sell those On that subject, though, is there
a match over the span of your career that you're
really really proud of that people don't talk about a lot?
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Not really, I mean people ask all the time, you know,
like he's their favorite match? Is your favorite opponent? And
I got to be on you know, and I say
this and do mean it, Like every time I've went
out there. Now, there are some matches that I enjoyed
more than others, you know, but man, every time I
go out there, it was just it was the most
(48:51):
awesome thing to go And you know, nothing made me
feel more alive than being out there, and and I
didn't matter sometimes, especially early on, you know, I'd be
out there in front of ten people, you know, but
(49:12):
that was where some nights the challenge was being in
front of ten people in a well wit gymnasium and
figuring out, Okay, how can.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
I make them forget being self conscious and make them
forget that their neighbor can watch them react across the rain,
Because it's the psychology of anonymity.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
The more anonymous you can make an audience, the easier
they auto manipulate, and the more they're not anonymous, much
more of a challenge it is. So if I can
generate that emotion, and especially if I can get it
at a level where they'll take some kind of physical
act stand up, you know, come over to shake during,
(50:02):
then yeah, those are the most those are the most
rewarding times. And man, I you know, I've been blessed
and lucky to got gotten to do what I love
to do for as long as I've gotten to do it,
and nobody's yet to figure out. But I have no
clue what I've been doing this all far.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
So I mean, we buy it, so we're selling with
I mean, also, that's what you were saying earlier.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
I don't want to know how magic tricks are done.
I want to be fooled. I love watching magic. Don't
show me a behind the scenes saying I want to
be all in. So yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
I and I like seeing how the sausage is made.
I have friends that are magicians, and I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
How you do that?
Speaker 1 (50:44):
And I'm like, oh wow, okay, fair enough, right on,
but I keep it from you for your own sake.
Speaker 6 (50:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Lastly, if you could imagine, like when you've envisioned your
absolute prime was for your character, when ever that was
in your career, is there a type of fantasy booking
that you would do for your character and what would
that look like? Would that be winning the biggest title
one of the middle titles? Like, what does a fantasy
(51:12):
booking look like for a character that you played in
your prime?
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Well, I I obviously would have wanted to be the
world champion. I mean everybody does you know? And I
think you know this is an opinion that's been voiced
to me, not just not me voicing it, but I
really think that for business that Paul Paul even missed
(51:39):
the boat not giving me the world title. That night
in Georgia at the pay per view with Shane, you
know I was, you know, obviously I was. The works
were already in place for me to go back to
w w F at at some point, but it would
have it would have hurt to put it on me
(52:01):
and then literally two weeks later, a week later, two
weeks whatever, tap tash take it off, you know, and
and be the world champion. That was I think, uh,
you know, a missed opportunity for me. And I should
have probably been a little more vocal and and you know,
(52:22):
and not just went along that. That's something also I've
learned is that you know, what you've got to really uh,
you've got to be more responsible for your own career,
not you know, being reliant on the kindness of others. Uh.
They're not going to watch out for you like you
(52:45):
should watch out for yourself. And there's nothing wrong with it,
you know, and and and and you know, I probably
should have been a little more of an asshole, uh
during my career, you know, not so easy going. And
because you know as well as I mean, you know,
in entertainment, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and you know,
(53:06):
they and people that behind the scenes that walk around
and act like their stars are the ones that a
lot of times are given those opportunities to be a star,
you know, and so you've again sometimes you know, work
the gimmick backstage as much as you have to in
front of the camera, you know, and you know that
(53:29):
that would have been probably it. You know. I think
I you know, and I had that was the key
moment in you know, where I was at. I was
at a peak physical level, but I was really really
at a point with the audience where they've wanted that
to happen. And uh, and I think that if they
(53:51):
had been given it, it really would have benefited ECW
in a as a whole. And it may sound very
uh you can just say, but I'm just from a
business standpoint, you know, from a and having years of
experience behind the scenes now looking at it from a
strictly business booking standpoint, it would have would have made
(54:14):
the right call. I agree.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
Yeah, well, I mean, and I think we're seeing that
with you know, with carrying Cross and wwe of like
people keep wanting this thing.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
And and just keeps not having happening.
Speaker 4 (54:28):
And so yeah, I think there are times, like you're saying,
where when the audience is so behind you and that
character and wanting you, wanting to see you win, and
it does kind of feel like a little bit of
a letdown when it doesn't happen that Like, yeah, even
from a business standpoint, it makes sense, like you said,
a week or two, no big deal, Like just give
them the thing.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
So yeah, for sure, absolutely, Yeah, if they were to
give carrying cross right now, you know, have you not
a world title. But if they were to give him,
you know, a direct bump up, you know, not only
way that they two weeks later used it to elevate
someone else, he would still retain that bump going forward
(55:12):
and could then parlay that into something bigger and better
down the road, you know. So I don't know why
they wouldn't necessarily want to do that, but I also
you know, it's very difficult to uh question decisions when
you're not in on things, you know a lot of
(55:33):
times because the onus the responsibility. That is one thing
I've really come to understand is everyone points a figure
at the writers or the bookers, and the onus. The
responsibility is on the talent. You know, they when they
walk through that curtain, they have to they they got
to be the thing, no matter what that thing is.
(55:55):
And one of the things like that a lot of
guys don't understand is hate you want to be the
heavyweight champion, Well, you know, you've got to start walking, acting,
and even wrestling like you already are six months before
the guy in the back even has an idea to
start putting you in that spot, because if you're not
(56:17):
already convincing yourself, you're never going to convince an audience
that you're going to be a threat to that existing champion.
And the heat, want, the need, the desire, that's what
heat is of that match. The gimmick of that match,
of the title match, is always on the potentiality of
(56:39):
that title changing hands, nothing else, no matter what other
gimmicks you put on it. Cage match, it's a strap match,
it's a tables match, doesn't matter. If the title is
on the line, then the sole thing that's being sold
is the potential that that title might change. So if
(57:03):
the champion is a babyface, they need a heel that
now is the threat in some manner that could potentially
take that title off that babyface, and either through physicality
or by hook or by crook, if it's the heels,
the champion will now that babyface has to be the
threat that somehow is going to outsmart or out wrestle
(57:26):
or just out heart the heel and take that title off.
That's the heat, that's the interest, that's what motivates someone
to buy a ticket to watch it. And you have
to start portraying that long before you ever put in
that position. And a lot of guys don't understand that.
They don't know to do those things. Also don't know
(57:48):
to be selfish, to know when matches aren't just to
have a good match. They are not out there to
have a lot of these guys, these young talent, a
lot of fifty to fifty wrestling, and fifty to fifty
wrestling does not sell at all, in no manner whatsoever.
(58:09):
At the very least, it should be sixty forty. In
cases where it's a match for a particular talent, it
should be seventy thirty eighty, twenty ninety ten. But they
are all conditioned that it needs to be fifty to
fifty fifty five forty five. But that's not enough. You
have to paint, you know, definitive ideas and educate because
(58:34):
everything you do in there is to make an educate
an audience to believe or disbelieve whatever you want, like
or dislike whatever you want, and see of talent in
a particular status however you want, and you can create that.
But you've got the talent. Are the ones that drive
the bus with that not not the writers, not the booker.
Speaker 4 (58:56):
Yeah, I love that. And like you were saying earlier,
you have to believe it. You have to buy into it.
And so if you're looking at two people wrestle, you
have to be able to see it go either way
because you are so bought into the heel to face
whatever it may be.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
So yeah, you can.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
You can't expect an audience believe in something that you don't.
So yeah, like the proof is in. Well, Al, we
really appreciate you taking the time to stop by and
talk to us today.
Speaker 4 (59:22):
This has been amazing. We could do this right, we
do this for hours.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
This has been absolutely fantastic. Do you want to let
people know where they can follow you online so they
could do so?
Speaker 3 (59:34):
Sure? Yeah you social media, you can follow me at
uh the real health. No, there have been some fakes,
and if somebody does fake be me, I don't get upset.
I just message them and go look in the bar higher.
I mean seriously, I mean, if you're going to be
a celebrity, why are you trying to be me? I'd
be Brad Pitt or you know, Contravolt or somebody. I
(59:57):
ain't going to be else. No, So, you know, but Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok.
I put up silly jokes, not all over mind. Sometimes
I find some some people send them to me. Sometimes
it's just my experiences with my wife, who wants to
kill me several times a day, Like you know that
(01:00:18):
Never came over the other day and I was like,
you know, knock on the door. I was like, I'm sorry,
I can't understand your accent. My wont and Jessica was like,
he's deaf. So I went, I'm sorry, I can't understand
your accent.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Yeah, I mean truly, Like I feel like you typically
like at least one joke a day, but there are
times where you give us gold and we get too
agree a day, and it's it's fantastic to pull up
Facebook and be like, oh, this is great. I'm just
going to close it because nothing's going to beat this.
Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
It's a welcome breakup and the chaos of the world is
just that random little joke from you, and.
Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Just like, ah, that's perfect. Okay, this is a good
time for media.
Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Jeck.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Now I'm going out on a high note.
Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
So oh good. I just feel like everyone else on
social media puts so much negative stuff up, and I
just thought, why not put funny stuff up? Just nonsense
and you know, ridiculously.
Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
We're here for it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
The world needs more nonsense than ridiculousness.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
So yes, picture that you all like, subscriber and share
sound off in the comments what you thought of the episode.
This has been My Wife Loves Wrestling podcast. I'm Miles
Webber and we will see y'all next time.
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