December 20, 2022 • 37 mins
William Holbert, also known as Wild Bill, is a self-confessed murderer, and ex-cartel hitman from Hendersonville, North Carolina. He is currently serving a 46-year sentence for the killings of five Americans in Panama.
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So we are joined here again bywild Bill Holbert, and we're going
to continue our conversation that we hada couple of weeks ago. And yeah,
man, so I do remember yousaid you wanted to share some some
stories from the original prison you wereat. So when I got to prison,
actually I actually got to the prisonwhere I am now. At first,
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I was here for almost a year. I came into the prison,
I was in like the special judicialholding facility for about a month while they
were interrogating me and making a generalpariah out of me in the news of
me and marking me every day outin front of the cameras and shit like
that, and like like for thefirst tewo weeks they told me it'side of
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my TV, which it doesn't reallymean while Bill, it means like it's
like savage Bill. The first twoweeks it would let me even shower or
shave or anything. So it lookedlike shit, and and you know everybody
thought that, I mean, they'redoing this on purpose. I know what
they're doing. You I hard diesn'tknow what they're doing. So they marched
me in front of the cameras.They'd like the same clothes on every day
and like filthy and anyway, SoI finally got some lawyers and they helped
me to get to a real prisonand you know, to get the authorities
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off my back anyway. So whenI came to prison, I just like
everybody else. I've seen all themovies when I was a bad guy and
everything, but I never had apair of handcuffs on me in my life.
I was a damn good, badgay and I mean it was good
at my job. You know,it wasn't some funky it gets the rested
for stupid ship. So I've neverhad a pair of handcuffs on my life.
I didn't know what to expect,and I'm seeing all the movies,
like you know, Escape from Alcatraz, and you know, you have to
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worry about getting raped in prison andyou have to hit the biggest guy on
the first day. And well,anyway, so I come to prison and
like I came as a celebrity.They brought me in literally as a celebrity,
and everybody's cheering because everybody's been watchingTV and seeing me on the television
every night, you know, forlike a month. So they've bring three
weeks. It's like three weeks twentyone days, I think it was.
So anyway, they bring me inand they bring me down to some and
there and they're like, we're goingto take it to the super maximum security
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part of the part of the jail. And I'm like, oh shit,
it's gonna be Terrell, you know. And so I'm expecting, like,
you know, everyone. So theymarched me down into this like almost like
this little little valley and down intothis little bitty cellblock. It's all free
standing them by itself. And wecome inside the cellblock and I'm thinking to
myself, Okay, you gotta hitsomebody. You got me. I don't
really like the movies, and shit, I'm like terrified if you want the
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truth. I mean, and I'mlike the jelly giant. I'm like the
jelly green giant because all these peopleare like ant size, and I'm like
this huge man. But I meanI'm not really that big in the stay.
So I'm only six foot one,but I was fat back then,
a way up almost three hundred poundsand h and so I mean, like
all these little guys are you know, every the cops are tiny little guys.
I feel like, you know,like like leading King Kong down into
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this thing. So we get intothe facility and this British guy named Leo
Morgan, who the gangster, theBritish gangster who is still here, antially
says, hey, Bill, welcome, and they take the handcuffs on me.
The cups take the handcuffs off meand like just kind of push me
in and he tosses me an icecold Heineken beer, which I don't really
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like Haneken, but I mean inthat moment, like holy shit. And
so I'm like drinking this beer,not really know what to do, and
all my belongings, my meager belongingto there, and he said, throw
your ship in your cell. SoI go to the cell and I put
it in and he brings me ina toughs and he brings me I like
a fan. And also and allthe other boys are smoking dope and laughing,
and you know, I'm like,this is Britain, and it's like,
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oh hell. He said, whatdid you expect when people think it
was gonna be like? And Ididn't. I didn't know what they expect,
you know. So they they broughtme to a cellblock where our completely
were all capos, you know,and COPO was like heads of gangs or
heads of heads of criminal organizations.And so we had a refrigerator. There
were six cells. There only sixcells and eleven guys. So I was
the only one. I had myown cell because everybody was afraid of me
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because of the news to me.They thought that I was crazy or something.
So they you know, this maddog killer I mean, which everybody
realized immediately that wasn't it. Butbut they put me in this cell alone.
And then but like they come andthey opened the cell and like the
cell was always open. I wasnever even closed. And then in the
corner we had a refrigerator and thetold me said, like, here's the
phone. They gave me a cellphone, but here's the phone, and
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when there's a search, you justput it in the refrigerator. And we
locked the refrigerator and they start churcho the rooms that they don't block the
refrigerator. So the guy opens therefrigerator. It's just full of beer,
like literally bottles of beer, handsof cans of beer, hands of beer.
And he says to me, andthere's like beer on top of the
refrigerator. Said, you can drinkas much beer as you want, but
damn it, when you take oneout, you put one inky cool man.
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So then they explained to me itwas like five hundred dollars a month
to live there, and that wentinto like bribes and shit like that,
you know, to make make theplace easy. And it was until they
changed and I was there for lines. I was there for about four or
five months, and things were rollingaround good and I was feeling pretty good
about myself. Things. I didn'tknow what was going to happen. Things
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had not died down. I meanevery single freaking day I was on television,
not physically, but I mean likethey were playing something about wild Bill
on Sevision and the Panamanian media madelike a huge thing out of it.
But I don't really blame the mediafor it. It was the district attorney's
all us that were fueling the madnessanyway. So I was there for like
four months and then they changed thewarden and the new warden came in and
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he had a problem. He hatedone of the guys that was in that
prison in the in the in thatpart of the prison with me, and
he brought in new orders that thatwas no longer going to be like an
easy place. They were gonna makeit like it was supposed to be.
And so they started putting like realgang bangers that were extremely violent in there.
And one of the things that wasworking went well for me was the
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thing that I had put the terriblereputation. Everybody was afraid of me,
and so but really I was morescared than anybody else, if you want
the truth. And I was inthe center. I was in one of
the two center cells, the cellseron in a RO. There was six
cells on RO and I was incell number three, and so I was
like right in the middle. Andin cell number one they put like four
guys from one violent game and incell number six, they put four other
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guys from another violent game. Andso now look, no longer could we
be all turned blues because these guyswould kill each other. So one group
brought in I don't remember, liketwo pistols in an AK forty seven to
kill the other one. And thenthe other group brought in guns to protect
themselves, but they also brought ingrenade. Now I want to tell you,
we're in a tiny fucking place,man, And I talked to us
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what I'm like, listen, idiots, you go. You can't throw a
grenade in here, you'll kill usall. We're in the side of an
enclosed space. It doesn't have asingle fucking window. And if you detonate
an explosive in here, everybody's skullis going to split you imbustles don't that's
not something you can ever use.And so anyway, they're like, you
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know, stoned and drunk, andthey don't give a shit, and they
don't mind to die. They liketo die on a regular basis. And
so when my lawyer said you're gonnahave to go to this little prison to
do it from, they're gonna moveyour case to like where you were actually
where you actually have crimes. They'regonna move the case out of the capitol
and you're gonna have to go andtalk to the distric attorney there. And
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I was like, didn't need thefuck out of here, because I mean,
this is like a like three daysafter they transferred me, they killed
like six and then sell block sixpeople got killed. Ben't detonated the grenade,
but like there was a gunfight inthere anyway, And so so they
took me to this little bit ofcountry prison well out in the town called
David and Kitty Ky in the provincecalled Kitty Key. So I was in
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this boodle and I mean immediately realizedI'm in a good place. This is
a good place. I mean it'sa prison, it's a shithhold, but
this is manageable. And the firstthing that happened is I talked to a
warden and the Warden's like, hey, you know, welcome. I'm trying
to get a feel for how areyou what we're gonna do with you?
And I said, and I askedhim, I remember his name was,
He's mails for prison. And Iasked him, I said, mister Florida,
are you a businessman? And hesaid, well, what do you
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mean. And I said, well, there are men who are you know,
I said it and finished, butI'm trying to translate it into my
own mind in English. I said, there are men who are like Trump
and who are who are men whoare just you know, they're patriots.
And then there are a businessman.And I would like to know if you're
a businessman. And he said,well, I'm a businessman. And I
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said, I think we're gonna getalong just fine. So I remember I
gave him like a thousand dollars thatday. I gave him like a thousand
boom. I gave him. Istill had some money, you know,
I hadn't hadn't gone through all mymoney yet, and so I gave him
a thousand dollars. And immediately Iwas completely free inside the prison. I
could do anything I want. Anybodycould visit me in any hour of the
day. They brand girl in fromthe outside inside. Whatever the hell I
wanted I got. So I hada really good situation. And then I
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began to spend the media a littlebit as well. I'm pushing myself out
into the media little bit and madesome contacts within the media. I actually
allowed me to bring the media inhave a couple of interviews on the inside
and change that perspective just a littlebit. Time went on. I spent
three years there. I got myselfin charge of the church. I got
myself in charge of not the church. Actually that's not true. I got
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myself in charge of the religious servicesfrom the outside. What does that mean?
People who came in from the outside, like church groups and permission on
Thursday. Thursday was the day tocome in from the outside. They came
in and I would like schedule them. I scheduled them, and then I
went to all the church services andit was really nice. I really enjoyed
that, actually very much, ina real way. But then another thing
happened is that I talked to thehead of the yard and organized on the
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inside a DNA FIVA, a directiveor a I don't know how, like
a homs should I can't speak Englishanymore. And like a group of the
gang heads everybody that you know,every one of those guys that has their
own little gang, the head ofthem. I organized a group and they
were killing each other. And insideof prison, when when somebody gets killed
in prison, there's like a lotof heat that comes down, you know,
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like investigation shit like that, atleast in this little bit of country
prison where I was, because itwas only like it's like a thousand people
there. And so I talked tothe guy Who'm like, hey, you
guys can't sell drugs. You can'tmake any money because of the number one
thing to do in prison is sellcocaine. You can't make any money on
the inside if you're all killing eachother because we're always locked down and shit
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like that. So let's make apiece pack and give everybody a territory.
So I did and set my Ididn't sell a drugs. I didn't.
I didn't have anything to do withthe drugs business at all. But I
organized the mafia's into a non lethalcompact. And then and when that happened
and we went like a couple ofyears without a murder, the prison authority
has just deferred to me about everything. I literally ran the prison. So
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that went on to like two thousandand seventeen. In two thousand and thirteen,
an interesting thing happened. I gotdivorced from with the woman that I
was with when I got put inprison, and just to be completely awesome
with you, man, I wasalways in my whole kind of nervous around
girls and shit, you know,I don't know. I mean, like
I'm an American guy and I didn'thave any sisters. I don't know how
to act around women. Ornything.I always had a wife or a girlfriend
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or something. I was always ina relationship, but I was always kind
of nervous around girls. And afunny thing happened. I mean, I
got fameless these chicks, these phantomAnian chicks that wanted to foot me,
and you can do that in phantomeye and pantomone can do that. I
mean, there are conjural visits.And I had such a good situation.
I look for one hundred bucks,I could bring a girl out all night,
you know, and like every sayingmyself. So in two thirteen to
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two thousand and sixteen, I wentto like a couple of hundred girls,
like literally, and that whole hiboy bullshit kind of went away. I
mean I had this like Cassio ofa period. They're in prison now.
They built a new prison in twothousand and seventeen at way out in the
middle of a swamp, in themiddle of nowhere, in that same area,
in the same problem, and theybrought us all out there to that
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swamp, and I again took overthat prison in the same fashion. And
here's the like, how can BILLtake over a prison? How can I
take over a prison? How doesthat work? Well? The corruption in
pana and prison really different than anAmerican prison. I know that there is
corruption in an American prison, butit's not like a phantom anion prison.
Prison. The head guard makes onethousand, two hundred dollars a month,
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that's what he makes, and thewarden makes about sixteen hundred dollars a month.
Every month, that's what they mad. I through my illicit activities,
they're collecting money from the gangs.Was paying each of them double their salary.
So the government's given the headguard twelvehullars a month and I'm giving the
headguard two thousand, four hundred dollarsa month. Who the fuck does he
work for? He works for me? And so then, but I was
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really flagrant with that. I gotit was really arrogance. An asshole is
a really good way to say it. With that power, and I didn't
think that I could be touched.But in two nineteen I made a mistake
and did an interview with Sophie Evansfrom the Deccy Mirror, who has since
been fired for bad practices. Anyway, and that interview came out, and
it was supposed to be the interviewwas supposed to be about the conditions that
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four prisoners, four fount of nameprisoners were living under. We were actually
trying to help the guys. Butshe made the thing about me, like
how good I was living in prison, and it wasn't supposed to be about
that at all. And so thefamily government passed an order transferring me to
secrecy, which is like a torturefacility literally. And I'm my lawyer.
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I had a lot of lawyers inthat day, and I still had money
then, I was making good money. This is two thousand, early early
two nineteen. So I organized mylawyer to like fight it in court,
and she fallen in front of ajudge and there was a lady judge,
and the lady judge agreed with usand said that I couldn't be moved.
But then the government changed, thenew government was elected, did it.
And in Panama, every time theelected government, it's like a little dictatorship.
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It's like they're electing a dictatorship.It changes every five years, and
in that form it's democratic, butin reality everything year is like a dictatorship.
Like a guy gets put in asthe prisons are he just he know
there's no committee or anything. Heis like a little king over the prison
system. Or guy gets put incharge of the security of the nation,
he's a little king. There's nothey don't understand committee rule. They're not
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that ship here, you know.So the new guy got put in charge,
and his name was Meat on thisand meet on his sent an order
signed by the President of the nationthat I had to be moved to the
secrecy. And we tried to fightit in court. But four o'clock in
the morning one day, I wasasleep, dead asleep. It's four o'clock
in the morning. The south doorburst open, and four policemen who are
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dressed in like riot gear, likeurban combat gear with face shields on and
ship and in sixteens samen threw meoff the top, bunt on the flooring
on my face, tie my handsbehind my back and pick me up like
a piece of cordwood, carried meoutside and threw me in the back of
a prison van and off at theun hundred and ten miles an hour sor
we went into the night, intothe early morning to this place where I
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am now. Sector See. SectorSee is a place where human rights are
suspended. There are no such thingas human rights and secrecy. You have
to buy your own food, youhave to buy your own toilet paper,
you have to buy your own toothspace. If you get sick, you
fucking die. There's no healthcare.And that's where I am. I've been
here for three years. It tookme three years to get back on top
of the situation here. Here,I'm pastor the church. Here, I
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am the gang mediator between the gangshere and the police defer from me again
in every way about decisions you maynot every way. I'm like, I'm
blowing smoke up my own ass.But I can think things to deal with
the prisoners. They consult me beforethey do them, like can we put
this prisoner in with these people andthis happening and things like that. They
can soul. I'm a consultant,it's a better word. I'm not a
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king anyway. That's my situation asit is right now. I've been in
here for three years trying like hellto get out and get back to the
general population into a normal prison.I haven't been laid in three years.
Can you believe that? Oh mygod? Man? The fuck? Such
a problem? Man? You knowwhat I mean? Like I got like
a leader saved up over here.But anyway, so I'm in this situation
that's really difficult now. But atthe same time, it's been productive because
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I wrote a book. I'm writinganother book. Anybody listening to this,
please support me and go buy thebook on Amazon called Long Live the King
Wild Bill, Long Live the KingWildville. I've put out a book.
If you want to contact me directly. Also come and see me. Come
and see me. I'm on Instagramat Holiness Bill. I'm on Facebook and
the group Friends of Brother Bill aswell. So I mean like I'm accessible
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to the publican and I like tryingto raise awareness. Right now, I'm
writing a second book. It's calledConcentration Camp two thousand, talking about the
actual prison conditions here in the Republicof Pantomie in two thousan nineteen in the
prisons where I am just give youan example of the violence. But the
prisons here in twenty nineteen where Iam, there was a massacre. The
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largest street gang in pantomis called Bagdadand bag that's the name of the gang,
and the gang where it's like,you know, I'm an organization.
It's just like a fucking gang,like some little it's so serious organization.
But that gang's head members one wasoutside when it was inside, and that
gang split. There was a problem, and they split in two thousand nineteen.
In December of two thousand nineteen,and there a gang war erupted in
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the middle of a family visit.When I say family visit and it's when
you bring your kids, a gangwar erupted in the middle of it,
and fifteen people were murdered with likeak forty seven shooting at each other like
a gun battle that lasted six hoursinside to prison. The prison was stormed
by like a thousand policemen, likean incredible thing. And it was covered
by the New York Times even coveredthis story in but nobody ever really talked
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about what actually happened. I wrotethat story. I wrote that story.
I talked because the people who wereinvolved. I talked to some of the
family members who were there as well, and wrote like a journalistic narrative.
One actually happened here, changing thename, changing everybody's name, But everything
that actually happens written there, andit's in a book I'm writing right now.
I just I just copyrighted and itjust went to the editor this week
so to be available by March calledConcentrate Camp two thousand. Really excited about
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this one. I think the writingis better. You know, it's my
second book, and the writing isa lot better, and the story is
incredible. Also talking about sector seewhat is sectors? See how you know?
And also the things I learned inprison. You know, I changed
my life in prison. I'm notinvolved in criminal enterprise in anyway anymore at
all. Everything I'm doing is legitimate. I'm writing books and counseling people on
the outside. I counselor for thirtypeople on a daily basis from the outside.
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You know, I'm active on socialmedia. You guys can come and
find me. Anybody can come andfind me that you'd like to you Also,
I've got this really group. Iwant to talk about the wild Bill
Hose. I want to talk aboutmy host. I love my host.
I'm you know, you know,you remember like General got OFFI or Colonel
I got off the when who wasat the leader of Libya had a group
of women who are his body reallysexy bodyguard women. Well I got them
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too and my hose and I hada podcast myself earlier than the year,
but it got shut down. Spreakerbounced it because they found out that I
was in prison and there's like,I don't know, some kind of rule
about that or something. Somebody complains, you know how that should goes fucking
caring out there, always trying themup. So so some period called Sprinker
and Sprinker called me and you knowand said about have to get permission from
the prison. Yeah, like that'sgoing to happen, and so it's okay,
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cool, just just kill it themand and so this is what happened.
I had a show called about hybristophilia. I don't know if you know
what that is. Hybristophilia is acondition, a sexual condition that certain women
have that they want to fuck violentcriminals, like you see these girls that
love Ted Bundy and shit like that. Anyway, this is hybristaphia. Well,
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we did a show about hypophilia andI invited the like the leading world's
Ted Bundy Hose to come on theshow, and I said that was a
joke. I said it on theshow and said, well, and I
want to introduce this lady. Idon't I don't want say her name here
because I don't have her permission.I want to introduce this lady. And
she's my dear friend from Australia andshe is like one of the top five
world premier Ted Bundy hose and shestarted laughing and she said I'm a watch
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I said, watch Ted Bundy.Who you're Ted Bundy? Who are you?
And she said, yeah, Iam. She said, but I'm
also a wild bill hole. Isaid, a wild bill I got host
and she said I'm one of yourhosts and I said cool. And so
then it like started the snowball,right, I said. I started getting
a lot of attention to women.You know, I've always had for the
last ten years, at least twelveyears, I've had a lot of attention
from women's and so we made ajoke about it, you know, and
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I started, I sold, likelast year. Last year, I had
had this chick helping me and shedesigned a pair of panties that had my
face on it. When the pantiessaid put a wild bill on top of
your vagina every day. And wesold the ship out of these plans.
I mean, we had a shirtthat says I'm a wild Bill home and
we saw this. We don't I'mnot doing anyone. I've been a little
bit more serious than I was,but but I was having fun with it,
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and so and but the host continueto grow. And so I love
my host, my beautiful host,and they're really wonderful girls. Really,
most of them are married and havekids, you know. And it's just
a joke, obviously. It's Idon't take myself very seriously, and I
certainly don't. I'm certainly very politicallyincorrect, as you can see. And
in a dinosaur really, and Irevel in my ability to be a dinosaur,
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you know, from the past.And so my host or mostly women
who are looking at her like,have our early Monday in life and maybe
they're looking for something the blowful littlesteam and they come and they interact with
us online and we have little eventsand stuff like that. So if you're
out there and you're interested in beinga wild bill, holl you come and
see Daddy because Daddy wants to talkto you. Hell yeah, So,
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how how'd you end up going fromthat to prison. Chaplain though I come
here. That is a story that'snot ever been told. Actually, let's
still us here. There was achamplain here, and the guy would like
Na and Jerry and Jerry. Hewould one day be preaching and the next
day be drunk, you know.And I actually believe in Jesus Christ's and
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I believe in the church. Ibelieve in the church, but I see,
I don't believe in like like thechurch that excludes people, and it's
like very very stuck in the mud. Stick in the mind of Jesus Christ
hung out with hookers and thieves andship I mean that was where his friends
were, you know. And solike I believe in what the Bible says,
not in what the Church says somemuch and so so. But anyway,
so I was I was like tryingto help Garry with the church,
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meaning like I would support me gettinga little bit of money and trying to
make like, you know, givehim some encouragement keep doing what you're doing.
So I got divorced next wife,and it was a really be honest,
it was the hardest thing I wentthrough my life. And I went
to a really difficult time, andI'm skipping a lot of ship. But
I got married, and I gotmarried, and I got divorced. I
got married being in prison, butthen they sent me to secrecy and I
lost the ability to put my dickinto her and she, you know,
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you know how that shit goes,and so so somebody's gonna put the somebody
sticking her and so so it wasn'tmine anymore. And so with that that
relationship evaporated. Then I was reallybroke up about it. If you want
too over to love a little girl. And so I started attending the church
services just as like a way toget back and to help Jerry, because
poor Jerry, like you know,he needed encouragement. So one day this
kid who was like my son,his name is cop killer Mataia. He
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had some sort of a disagreement withJerry and kicked Jerry in the ass inside
prison and I was in my cell. I don't know what I was doing.
I was in my cell alone,and Jerry comes into myself. He
says, you got a knife,and I said, yeah, man,
right there on the on the shelf. And he's like and he picks a
little a little bit of thing upthat I got there to like peel the
peel like onions and shit, youknow. He's like, no, no,
I'm real fucking off a shank.And I'm like, Jerry, you're
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in the church. Why do youneed a shank? You like run the
church. You're the prison chaplain.What do you mean a shank for.
He's like, I'm gonna kill Mataia, I'm gonna kill cop killer. Why
are you going? And I'm likeit's humorous. I mean, I'm like,
why is the prison champlain going tomurder another in May? What's hell's
wrong with you? He's like,I don't know. You just kicked me
in the ass. And I'm like, well, brother, I said,
you know, you're just gonna haveto take that ship because like they beat
Jesus over the hid and stuff.And he didn't say nothing about it.
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You're gonna have to take it.No, And he's like fuck the church.
I'm like, who whoa, whoa, whoa, oh brother, things
like that, not that church.And I'm like no, no, no,
no, no, no no.And he's like, you're the new
pastor and I said no, Iam not. No, I am not,
I am not you're the pastor Monday, you're gonna be there. No,
I'm not. So money came andhe didn't do shit. Everybody's like
waiting. So I had a littleservice. I didn't preach anything, and
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I was just like, anyway,we're praying for Jerry, will you know,
helped Jerry get back from the way. And Jerry's like like smoking crack
and his sell you know. Sothat evaporated. And then and then the
authorities came in and said why don'tyou do the church? And I'm like,
man like, there are so manypeople that are more you know,
I did. They're like, yeah, but in the old person where you
are you managed the religious service?And I said, well, there's a
whole lot of difference between managing religiousservices for actual pastors and then being a
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pastor, and the churches are reallybig difference between this. But anyway,
so I talked me into it andit carried some privileges with it, but
it carried a lot of responsibils anda lot of headaches. I'll tell you
that it's a really difficult job.I won't lie. I love it though
I enjoy it. So we talkabout stuff like, you know, the
biggest pomp them that prisoners in Panamaand maybe in the United States, so
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I don't know. But most ofthese guys are kids. The median age
is like twenty two or twenty threeor something. They're all children. I
mean, like, I mean,I'm an old gun forty three here,
you know, and the median ageis twenty three. And these are kids
who have no self esteem at all. They don't think that they can be
anything except the gang soldier. That'sthe only thing I mean. And like,
if we look at Andy, it'seasy for us, easy for me
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or anybody else out there who judgethem. But you got a kid who
was born to a prostitute, who'sa drug addict, who from the time
he was three years old, iswalking alone in the street and the only
family he knows are these other gangbands. And is this guy gonna be
a doctor or a lawyer? AndI mean, he's gonna be a gang
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bank the only thing he knows.And it's the only thing that most of
them can't even read and write andreligious barely anyway. And they're really lovely
guys. That sounds crazy. Imean, they kill each other in it,
but they're really lovely carrying individuals.I mean, they're real humans.
And I didn't realize that until Iwas just crammed in here in the old
last three years, and like chargewas taking care of them. So I
started talking to them, and Istarted like holding sermons, and we talk
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about self esteem and talked about youknow, we are good enough to be
something better than just a fucking criminals. And I talked about my own story,
like you know I was. I'mreally lucky. I was born into
a good family and threw it allaway to be a dip shit. You
know, today, even today Iwas talking to the church. I gave
a sermon today about how there's noshortcuts in line. You know, in
two thousand and seven I began killingpeople and had all kind of money and
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all kind of power, all kindof girls and all kind and all the
drugs you wanted. Three years laterI was put in prison, and here
I am suffering with you bunch ofit is, you know, I mean,
like the shit you do come backto you and so. But we
have this really awesome ability. Godhas given us, this awesome opportunity to
a second chance. At any momentyou want to pick up a second chance
in run with it. You canfor instance, you want to start behaving
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good today, all of the badfruits, bad seeds that you've planted sooner
or later are going to are gonnago dry. I mean, there's not
gonna be any more consequences for youractions because you're not making bags anymore.
If you continue to make mistakes,your line's going to be the same ship
that it is today. But ifyou change and you start making good decisions
sooner or later, it's going toimprove. And so that's what we talk
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about, those sort of things.That was actually my message in the church
today. So you know a lotof people say I'm not qualified to get
past, and they're right, I'mnot qualified at all, but there ain't
anybody else to do it, soyou know, it's either it's either me
or nobody. And uh, andwe had a real successful We got like
twenty two guys that can are alwaysin the church. Then there are actually
people even the cops come to listento me talk and stuff. And we
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were just trying to love each other. And like Jesus Christ's talking about Jesus
Christ right to go to how canthis evil asshole be a pastor? Well,
Jesus Crust only gave us two commands. Ever in the Bible, he
said that we should love God aboveeverything else and love each other as if
you love your neighbor as yourself.Those isn't the only two commands if you
the whole Bible, the only twocommands us across every day is that we
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should love each other. So Idon't think that most Christians do that.
I think that most churches are notset up that way. So we do
that here. And that's basically thewhole gist of me as a pastor.
So if you being a pastor andstill a lot of years to face,
where do you see yourself in likefive to ten years down the road?
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Man? Do you have any appealsgoing on or anything like that? Is
there any hope of you even gettingout before you die? In there?
Yeah, there is actually a lot. I lost my field. I should
I lost my field. My fortysix years sentience stuck. But a good
thing happened to me. If thisis very week, actually in between the
last interview and this interview, theyauthorize give me time off of my sentence
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for the work that I'm doing.So I mean, like that's another thing,
another thing I wanted to say andI forgot to set is that you
can't fake what I'm doing. Likeyou can kind of fake and be a
phony and get some sort of abenefit for a certain period of time,
but you'll fail and in because nobodycan fake something for a long period of
time, like three years and years. You can't fake it. I'm doing
what I'm doing right here. Thepanaman and government recognize that the work that
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I'm doing with the prisoners is sobeneficial to them that they authorize me.
Every two days that I work rightnow, I get one day off my
sentence, but I have to takeSundays off. I don't take Sunday's off,
but I'm not allowed to receive thatbenefit for Sunday. So what does
that mean? A normal day fora prisoner counts seven days off of his
sentence. A normal week, excuseme, A normal week for a prisoner
counts seven days off of his symptom. But for every two days that I
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work, excluding Sunday, I geta day off my sentence. So every
one of my week has ten daysin it. I mean, like what
counts every time a week past isten days? Get count off my sentence.
That's the first thing A second.In the Republican pandema, you only
do two thirds of your time.You do sixty six percent of your time,
and then you're allowed to apply forparoles. They call it condition conditional
novels. You're allowed for conditional releasewhere you have to come back and sign,
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take good tests, etc. Soat forty six years, at thirty
years, thirty years, in likenine months, I'm I eligible for parole.
I've been in prison for twelve years, so but with this thirteen years
now, excuse me. The nextyear will be thirteen in June. Every
thirteen years, so in this scenario, I only have to do another ten
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years and I'm free. And that'sif I don't get any other good breaks,
which I'm probably. I mean,the chances are, in my favorite
I'll catch another break somewhere along theline. So I know that that ten
years a good question, you know, because exactly in ten years I should
be free. What am I goingto do after that? Well, I'm
trying to think too much about itbecause it'll drive you crazy. I mean,
trying not to look too far downthe road. But I do have
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a dream, you know. Iwant to go back to the jungle,
back to the deep jungle and builda nice little jungle house and have a
little family and away the hell awayfrom society, write books, you know,
Yeah, definitely, and to takesome check out there to live with
me that's half my age, thatjust can't get enough with my penis,
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and make a coup with kids,and just live the rest of my life
and peace and die happy on anisland somewhere, you know. And I'm
young. I'm forty three, andI feel great. I mean, I
feel like I'm seventeen, and Idon't have any health problems. I boxed
with these kids, like you know, three times a week and left away
tell in good shape. I feelpretty good about myself, and so I
think that I can last. Ihave longevity and my family. I still
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have both of my grandfathers and oneof my grandmothers. And I'm forty three.
So one of my grandfather's is ninetyfour or in the other one's eighty
seven. So I got, youknow, I got things going on.
My favorite I'm feeling like I'm feelinglike, you know, I'm gonna get
a second chance. Man. No, that's great, though. Do you
have any plans for another book afterthis one? That you're finishing up.
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I really want to My Statute oflimitations in Costa Rica ran out so I
can talk about stuff that I didin Costa Rica that I'm not arrested for,
you know what I'm saying. AndI spent this time in Costa Rica
between two thousand and four two thanfive and two thousand and seven, I
lived in Costa Rica and I livedat this country club, so al Kadiati
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and the real Kadiati and Costa Rica, and this country club is a place
where all the politicians. You haveto you have to be like a big
wig in the country to get intothe country club. And I lived at
the country club and I was theirpunisher. I did their dirty work.
Now I want to tell that story, the story so that and I had
a lawyer check in Costa Rica andmy statute limitations is up there and so
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I can talk about stuff. AndI'm like, I'm like so excited about
right, I'm on, I wantto write that book. You know,
I'll never write any books about themurders and shit. I don't want to
talk about that stuff. And it'stoo sensitive anyone. I don't want anybody
to put me either so I leavethat ship there where it is. But
I do want to talk about mytime working for the cost ric and politicians,
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because that was really fucking cool,man. I mean, I wish
I had stayed there doing that.I would probably still be there. Not
never killed anybody. I don't haveto kill anybody or anything, but but
like like I had to judge whentime came to me. And he says,
I got in there, and I'llsee how I got in there.
I'll see how I got in there. And I want to get too much
away. I don't want to getthem much away because I want to ride
it. I'll tell you how Igot in there. I was in a
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bar u looking for work, lookingfor something to do, you know,
some illicit working. And that's anotherthing you gotta understand. In Central America,
nobody's here for a good reason.I mean, nobody leaves the United
States for a good reason. Nobodyleaves Europe for a good reason. We're
all on the run. We're alla bunch of crooks and thieves and ship
you know. So I got hookedup with this German guy who had a
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like a worehouse, but not awhorehouse. But he ran horse. He
ran prostitution, and he was tellingme how he's this guy who didn't point
five thousand dollars and he didn't evenneed twenty five thousand dollars. He had
a lot of money, but itpissed him off because the guy had like
disrespected him. And I said,you want men to go get it?
And he said what And I said, you want men to go get that
money. It was like, ifyou gonna go get the money, I'll
give you a piece of it.And I said, fine, I'll go
get it. So the next Itook, I took a short, little
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one in the little mini league baseballbats the store and bought me one illuminum
bat and I went. After abouttwenty minutes with me, the guy opened
a safe and he paid. Heplaid the mone anybody. So I took
the money to this guys. I'mnot gonna call him Rows, that's not
his names. He's a German.And I took the money to Rows and
it's like here, here's just twentyfive grand, like in twenty four hours.
And he's like, holy shit,really, and I'm like, yeah,
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here it is. And I'm like, pay me, man, And
so I thought they give me threeor four thousand dollars, you know,
I don't know four or five thousand. He gives me half of it,
he said, here, I don'teven need the money. But just like
this amazing thing that you could getget back. Nobody here, nobody here
does shit like that. Like well, I love that's kind of work I
do. Man. So he says, I want you to meet some people.
So he introduced me to the politiciansand the judges and the people that
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live in the country club, andI got They liked me so much they
invited me to live in one ofthe condominiums. They're free of charge,
and so that was really cool.I had about I loved about two years
there and it was good. Itwas a good show. So I can't
wait until I can't wait to writethe book I'm really excited about. I
want to get this one finished,fucking write the next one. Oh yeah,
man, So why don't you goahead and give everybody your contact DENFO
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So we are joined here again bywild Bill Holbert, and we're going
to continue our conversation that we hada couple of weeks ago. And yeah,
man, so I do remember yousaid you wanted to share some some
stories from the original prison you wereat. So when I got to prison,
actually I actually got to the prisonwhere I am now. At first,
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I was here for almost a year. I came into the prison,
I was in like the special judicialholding facility for about a month while they
were interrogating me and making a generalpariah out of me in the news of
me and marking me every day outin front of the cameras and shit like
that, and like like for thefirst tewo weeks they told me it'side of
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my TV, which it doesn't reallymean while Bill, it means like it's
like savage Bill. The first twoweeks it would let me even shower or
shave or anything. So it lookedlike shit, and and you know everybody
thought that, I mean, they'redoing this on purpose. I know what
they're doing. You I hard diesn'tknow what they're doing. So they marched
me in front of the cameras.They'd like the same clothes on every day
and like filthy and anyway, SoI finally got some lawyers and they helped
me to get to a real prisonand you know, to get the authorities
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off my back anyway. So whenI came to prison, I just like
everybody else. I've seen all themovies when I was a bad guy and
everything, but I never had apair of handcuffs on me in my life.
I was a damn good, badgay and I mean it was good
at my job. You know,it wasn't some funky it gets the rested
for stupid ship. So I've neverhad a pair of handcuffs on my life.
I didn't know what to expect,and I'm seeing all the movies,
like you know, Escape from Alcatraz, and you know, you have to
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worry about getting raped in prison andyou have to hit the biggest guy on
the first day. And well,anyway, so I come to prison and
like I came as a celebrity.They brought me in literally as a celebrity,
and everybody's cheering because everybody's been watchingTV and seeing me on the television
every night, you know, forlike a month. So they've bring three
weeks. It's like three weeks twentyone days, I think it was.
So anyway, they bring me inand they bring me down to some and
there and they're like, we're goingto take it to the super maximum security
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part of the part of the jail. And I'm like, oh shit,
it's gonna be Terrell, you know. And so I'm expecting, like,
you know, everyone. So theymarched me down into this like almost like
this little little valley and down intothis little bitty cellblock. It's all free
standing them by itself. And wecome inside the cellblock and I'm thinking to
myself, Okay, you gotta hitsomebody. You got me. I don't
really like the movies, and shit, I'm like terrified if you want the
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truth. I mean, and I'mlike the jelly giant. I'm like the
jelly green giant because all these peopleare like ant size, and I'm like
this huge man. But I meanI'm not really that big in the stay.
So I'm only six foot one,but I was fat back then,
a way up almost three hundred poundsand h and so I mean, like
all these little guys are you know, every the cops are tiny little guys.
I feel like, you know,like like leading King Kong down into
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this thing. So we get intothe facility and this British guy named Leo
Morgan, who the gangster, theBritish gangster who is still here, antially
says, hey, Bill, welcome, and they take the handcuffs on me.
The cups take the handcuffs off meand like just kind of push me
in and he tosses me an icecold Heineken beer, which I don't really
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like Haneken, but I mean inthat moment, like holy shit. And
so I'm like drinking this beer,not really know what to do, and
all my belongings, my meager belongingto there, and he said, throw
your ship in your cell. SoI go to the cell and I put
it in and he brings me ina toughs and he brings me I like
a fan. And also and allthe other boys are smoking dope and laughing,
and you know, I'm like,this is Britain, and it's like,
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oh hell. He said, whatdid you expect when people think it
was gonna be like? And Ididn't. I didn't know what they expect,
you know. So they they broughtme to a cellblock where our completely
were all capos, you know,and COPO was like heads of gangs or
heads of heads of criminal organizations.And so we had a refrigerator. There
were six cells. There only sixcells and eleven guys. So I was
the only one. I had myown cell because everybody was afraid of me
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because of the news to me.They thought that I was crazy or something.
So they you know, this maddog killer I mean, which everybody
realized immediately that wasn't it. Butbut they put me in this cell alone.
And then but like they come andthey opened the cell and like the
cell was always open. I wasnever even closed. And then in the
corner we had a refrigerator and thetold me said, like, here's the
phone. They gave me a cellphone, but here's the phone, and
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when there's a search, you justput it in the refrigerator. And we
locked the refrigerator and they start churcho the rooms that they don't block the
refrigerator. So the guy opens therefrigerator. It's just full of beer,
like literally bottles of beer, handsof cans of beer, hands of beer.
And he says to me, andthere's like beer on top of the
refrigerator. Said, you can drinkas much beer as you want, but
damn it, when you take oneout, you put one inky cool man.
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So then they explained to me itwas like five hundred dollars a month
to live there, and that wentinto like bribes and shit like that,
you know, to make make theplace easy. And it was until they
changed and I was there for lines. I was there for about four or
five months, and things were rollingaround good and I was feeling pretty good
about myself. Things. I didn'tknow what was going to happen. Things
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had not died down. I meanevery single freaking day I was on television,
not physically, but I mean likethey were playing something about wild Bill
on Sevision and the Panamanian media madelike a huge thing out of it.
But I don't really blame the mediafor it. It was the district attorney's
all us that were fueling the madnessanyway. So I was there for like
four months and then they changed thewarden and the new warden came in and
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he had a problem. He hatedone of the guys that was in that
prison in the in the in thatpart of the prison with me, and
he brought in new orders that thatwas no longer going to be like an
easy place. They were gonna makeit like it was supposed to be.
And so they started putting like realgang bangers that were extremely violent in there.
And one of the things that wasworking went well for me was the
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thing that I had put the terriblereputation. Everybody was afraid of me,
and so but really I was morescared than anybody else, if you want
the truth. And I was inthe center. I was in one of
the two center cells, the cellseron in a RO. There was six
cells on RO and I was incell number three, and so I was
like right in the middle. Andin cell number one they put like four
guys from one violent game and incell number six, they put four other
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guys from another violent game. Andso now look, no longer could we
be all turned blues because these guyswould kill each other. So one group
brought in I don't remember, liketwo pistols in an AK forty seven to
kill the other one. And thenthe other group brought in guns to protect
themselves, but they also brought ingrenade. Now I want to tell you,
we're in a tiny fucking place,man, And I talked to us
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what I'm like, listen, idiots, you go. You can't throw a
grenade in here, you'll kill usall. We're in the side of an
enclosed space. It doesn't have asingle fucking window. And if you detonate
an explosive in here, everybody's skullis going to split you imbustles don't that's
not something you can ever use.And so anyway, they're like, you
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know, stoned and drunk, andthey don't give a shit, and they
don't mind to die. They liketo die on a regular basis. And
so when my lawyer said you're gonnahave to go to this little prison to
do it from, they're gonna moveyour case to like where you were actually
where you actually have crimes. They'regonna move the case out of the capitol
and you're gonna have to go andtalk to the distric attorney there. And
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I was like, didn't need thefuck out of here, because I mean,
this is like a like three daysafter they transferred me, they killed
like six and then sell block sixpeople got killed. Ben't detonated the grenade,
but like there was a gunfight inthere anyway, And so so they
took me to this little bit ofcountry prison well out in the town called
David and Kitty Ky in the provincecalled Kitty Key. So I was in
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this boodle and I mean immediately realizedI'm in a good place. This is
a good place. I mean it'sa prison, it's a shithhold, but
this is manageable. And the firstthing that happened is I talked to a
warden and the Warden's like, hey, you know, welcome. I'm trying
to get a feel for how areyou what we're gonna do with you?
And I said, and I askedhim, I remember his name was,
He's mails for prison. And Iasked him, I said, mister Florida,
are you a businessman? And hesaid, well, what do you
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mean. And I said, well, there are men who are you know,
I said it and finished, butI'm trying to translate it into my
own mind in English. I said, there are men who are like Trump
and who are who are men whoare just you know, they're patriots.
And then there are a businessman.And I would like to know if you're
a businessman. And he said,well, I'm a businessman. And I
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said, I think we're gonna getalong just fine. So I remember I
gave him like a thousand dollars thatday. I gave him like a thousand
boom. I gave him. Istill had some money, you know,
I hadn't hadn't gone through all mymoney yet, and so I gave him
a thousand dollars. And immediately Iwas completely free inside the prison. I
could do anything I want. Anybodycould visit me in any hour of the
day. They brand girl in fromthe outside inside. Whatever the hell I
wanted I got. So I hada really good situation. And then I
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began to spend the media a littlebit as well. I'm pushing myself out
into the media little bit and madesome contacts within the media. I actually
allowed me to bring the media inhave a couple of interviews on the inside
and change that perspective just a littlebit. Time went on. I spent
three years there. I got myselfin charge of the church. I got
myself in charge of not the church. Actually that's not true. I got
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myself in charge of the religious servicesfrom the outside. What does that mean?
People who came in from the outside, like church groups and permission on
Thursday. Thursday was the day tocome in from the outside. They came
in and I would like schedule them. I scheduled them, and then I
went to all the church services andit was really nice. I really enjoyed
that, actually very much, ina real way. But then another thing
happened is that I talked to thehead of the yard and organized on the
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inside a DNA FIVA, a directiveor a I don't know how, like
a homs should I can't speak Englishanymore. And like a group of the
gang heads everybody that you know,every one of those guys that has their
own little gang, the head ofthem. I organized a group and they
were killing each other. And insideof prison, when when somebody gets killed
in prison, there's like a lotof heat that comes down, you know,
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like investigation shit like that, atleast in this little bit of country
prison where I was, because itwas only like it's like a thousand people
there. And so I talked tothe guy Who'm like, hey, you
guys can't sell drugs. You can'tmake any money because of the number one
thing to do in prison is sellcocaine. You can't make any money on
the inside if you're all killing eachother because we're always locked down and shit
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like that. So let's make apiece pack and give everybody a territory.
So I did and set my Ididn't sell a drugs. I didn't.
I didn't have anything to do withthe drugs business at all. But I
organized the mafia's into a non lethalcompact. And then and when that happened
and we went like a couple ofyears without a murder, the prison authority
has just deferred to me about everything. I literally ran the prison. So
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that went on to like two thousandand seventeen. In two thousand and thirteen,
an interesting thing happened. I gotdivorced from with the woman that I
was with when I got put inprison, and just to be completely awesome
with you, man, I wasalways in my whole kind of nervous around
girls and shit, you know,I don't know. I mean, like
I'm an American guy and I didn'thave any sisters. I don't know how
to act around women. Ornything.I always had a wife or a girlfriend
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or something. I was always ina relationship, but I was always kind
of nervous around girls. And afunny thing happened. I mean, I
got fameless these chicks, these phantomAnian chicks that wanted to foot me,
and you can do that in phantomeye and pantomone can do that. I
mean, there are conjural visits.And I had such a good situation.
I look for one hundred bucks,I could bring a girl out all night,
you know, and like every sayingmyself. So in two thirteen to
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two thousand and sixteen, I wentto like a couple of hundred girls,
like literally, and that whole hiboy bullshit kind of went away. I
mean I had this like Cassio ofa period. They're in prison now.
They built a new prison in twothousand and seventeen at way out in the
middle of a swamp, in themiddle of nowhere, in that same area,
in the same problem, and theybrought us all out there to that
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swamp, and I again took overthat prison in the same fashion. And
here's the like, how can BILLtake over a prison? How can I
take over a prison? How doesthat work? Well? The corruption in
pana and prison really different than anAmerican prison. I know that there is
corruption in an American prison, butit's not like a phantom anion prison.
Prison. The head guard makes onethousand, two hundred dollars a month,
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that's what he makes, and thewarden makes about sixteen hundred dollars a month.
Every month, that's what they mad. I through my illicit activities,
they're collecting money from the gangs.Was paying each of them double their salary.
So the government's given the headguard twelvehullars a month and I'm giving the
headguard two thousand, four hundred dollarsa month. Who the fuck does he
work for? He works for me? And so then, but I was
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really flagrant with that. I gotit was really arrogance. An asshole is
a really good way to say it. With that power, and I didn't
think that I could be touched.But in two nineteen I made a mistake
and did an interview with Sophie Evansfrom the Deccy Mirror, who has since
been fired for bad practices. Anyway, and that interview came out, and
it was supposed to be the interviewwas supposed to be about the conditions that
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four prisoners, four fount of nameprisoners were living under. We were actually
trying to help the guys. Butshe made the thing about me, like
how good I was living in prison, and it wasn't supposed to be about
that at all. And so thefamily government passed an order transferring me to
secrecy, which is like a torturefacility literally. And I'm my lawyer.
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I had a lot of lawyers inthat day, and I still had money
then, I was making good money. This is two thousand, early early
two nineteen. So I organized mylawyer to like fight it in court,
and she fallen in front of ajudge and there was a lady judge,
and the lady judge agreed with usand said that I couldn't be moved.
But then the government changed, thenew government was elected, did it.
And in Panama, every time theelected government, it's like a little dictatorship.
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It's like they're electing a dictatorship.It changes every five years, and
in that form it's democratic, butin reality everything year is like a dictatorship.
Like a guy gets put in asthe prisons are he just he know
there's no committee or anything. Heis like a little king over the prison
system. Or guy gets put incharge of the security of the nation,
he's a little king. There's nothey don't understand committee rule. They're not
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that ship here, you know.So the new guy got put in charge,
and his name was Meat on thisand meet on his sent an order
signed by the President of the nationthat I had to be moved to the
secrecy. And we tried to fightit in court. But four o'clock in
the morning one day, I wasasleep, dead asleep. It's four o'clock
in the morning. The south doorburst open, and four policemen who are
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dressed in like riot gear, likeurban combat gear with face shields on and
ship and in sixteens samen threw meoff the top, bunt on the flooring
on my face, tie my handsbehind my back and pick me up like
a piece of cordwood, carried meoutside and threw me in the back of
a prison van and off at theun hundred and ten miles an hour sor
we went into the night, intothe early morning to this place where I
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am now. Sector See. SectorSee is a place where human rights are
suspended. There are no such thingas human rights and secrecy. You have
to buy your own food, youhave to buy your own toilet paper,
you have to buy your own toothspace. If you get sick, you
fucking die. There's no healthcare.And that's where I am. I've been
here for three years. It tookme three years to get back on top
of the situation here. Here,I'm pastor the church. Here, I
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am the gang mediator between the gangshere and the police defer from me again
in every way about decisions you maynot every way. I'm like, I'm
blowing smoke up my own ass.But I can think things to deal with
the prisoners. They consult me beforethey do them, like can we put
this prisoner in with these people andthis happening and things like that. They
can soul. I'm a consultant,it's a better word. I'm not a
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king anyway. That's my situation asit is right now. I've been in
here for three years trying like hellto get out and get back to the
general population into a normal prison.I haven't been laid in three years.
Can you believe that? Oh mygod? Man? The fuck? Such
a problem? Man? You knowwhat I mean? Like I got like
a leader saved up over here.But anyway, so I'm in this situation
that's really difficult now. But atthe same time, it's been productive because
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I wrote a book. I'm writinganother book. Anybody listening to this,
please support me and go buy thebook on Amazon called Long Live the King
Wild Bill, Long Live the KingWildville. I've put out a book.
If you want to contact me directly. Also come and see me. Come
and see me. I'm on Instagramat Holiness Bill. I'm on Facebook and
the group Friends of Brother Bill aswell. So I mean like I'm accessible
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to the publican and I like tryingto raise awareness. Right now, I'm
writing a second book. It's calledConcentration Camp two thousand, talking about the
actual prison conditions here in the Republicof Pantomie in two thousan nineteen in the
prisons where I am just give youan example of the violence. But the
prisons here in twenty nineteen where Iam, there was a massacre. The
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largest street gang in pantomis called Bagdadand bag that's the name of the gang,
and the gang where it's like,you know, I'm an organization.
It's just like a fucking gang,like some little it's so serious organization.
But that gang's head members one wasoutside when it was inside, and that
gang split. There was a problem, and they split in two thousand nineteen.
In December of two thousand nineteen,and there a gang war erupted in
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the middle of a family visit.When I say family visit and it's when
you bring your kids, a gangwar erupted in the middle of it,
and fifteen people were murdered with likeak forty seven shooting at each other like
a gun battle that lasted six hoursinside to prison. The prison was stormed
by like a thousand policemen, likean incredible thing. And it was covered
by the New York Times even coveredthis story in but nobody ever really talked
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about what actually happened. I wrotethat story. I wrote that story.
I talked because the people who wereinvolved. I talked to some of the
family members who were there as well, and wrote like a journalistic narrative.
One actually happened here, changing thename, changing everybody's name, But everything
that actually happens written there, andit's in a book I'm writing right now.
I just I just copyrighted and itjust went to the editor this week
so to be available by March calledConcentrate Camp two thousand. Really excited about
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this one. I think the writingis better. You know, it's my
second book, and the writing isa lot better, and the story is
incredible. Also talking about sector seewhat is sectors? See how you know?
And also the things I learned inprison. You know, I changed
my life in prison. I'm notinvolved in criminal enterprise in anyway anymore at
all. Everything I'm doing is legitimate. I'm writing books and counseling people on
the outside. I counselor for thirtypeople on a daily basis from the outside.
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You know, I'm active on socialmedia. You guys can come and
find me. Anybody can come andfind me that you'd like to you Also,
I've got this really group. Iwant to talk about the wild Bill
Hose. I want to talk aboutmy host. I love my host.
I'm you know, you know,you remember like General got OFFI or Colonel
I got off the when who wasat the leader of Libya had a group
of women who are his body reallysexy bodyguard women. Well I got them
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too and my hose and I hada podcast myself earlier than the year,
but it got shut down. Spreakerbounced it because they found out that I
was in prison and there's like,I don't know, some kind of rule
about that or something. Somebody complains, you know how that should goes fucking
caring out there, always trying themup. So so some period called Sprinker
and Sprinker called me and you knowand said about have to get permission from
the prison. Yeah, like that'sgoing to happen, and so it's okay,
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cool, just just kill it themand and so this is what happened.
I had a show called about hybristophilia. I don't know if you know
what that is. Hybristophilia is acondition, a sexual condition that certain women
have that they want to fuck violentcriminals, like you see these girls that
love Ted Bundy and shit like that. Anyway, this is hybristaphia. Well,
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we did a show about hypophilia andI invited the like the leading world's
Ted Bundy Hose to come on theshow, and I said that was a
joke. I said it on theshow and said, well, and I
want to introduce this lady. Idon't I don't want say her name here
because I don't have her permission.I want to introduce this lady. And
she's my dear friend from Australia andshe is like one of the top five
world premier Ted Bundy hose and shestarted laughing and she said I'm a watch
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I said, watch Ted Bundy.Who you're Ted Bundy? Who are you?
And she said, yeah, Iam. She said, but I'm
also a wild bill hole. Isaid, a wild bill I got host
and she said I'm one of yourhosts and I said cool. And so
then it like started the snowball,right, I said. I started getting
a lot of attention to women.You know, I've always had for the
last ten years, at least twelveyears, I've had a lot of attention
from women's and so we made ajoke about it, you know, and
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I started, I sold, likelast year. Last year, I had
had this chick helping me and shedesigned a pair of panties that had my
face on it. When the pantiessaid put a wild bill on top of
your vagina every day. And wesold the ship out of these plans.
I mean, we had a shirtthat says I'm a wild Bill home and
we saw this. We don't I'mnot doing anyone. I've been a little
bit more serious than I was,but but I was having fun with it,
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and so and but the host continueto grow. And so I love
my host, my beautiful host,and they're really wonderful girls. Really,
most of them are married and havekids, you know. And it's just
a joke, obviously. It's Idon't take myself very seriously, and I
certainly don't. I'm certainly very politicallyincorrect, as you can see. And
in a dinosaur really, and Irevel in my ability to be a dinosaur,
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you know, from the past.And so my host or mostly women
who are looking at her like,have our early Monday in life and maybe
they're looking for something the blowful littlesteam and they come and they interact with
us online and we have little eventsand stuff like that. So if you're
out there and you're interested in beinga wild bill, holl you come and
see Daddy because Daddy wants to talkto you. Hell yeah, So,
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how how'd you end up going fromthat to prison. Chaplain though I come
here. That is a story that'snot ever been told. Actually, let's
still us here. There was achamplain here, and the guy would like
Na and Jerry and Jerry. Hewould one day be preaching and the next
day be drunk, you know.And I actually believe in Jesus Christ's and
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I believe in the church. Ibelieve in the church, but I see,
I don't believe in like like thechurch that excludes people, and it's
like very very stuck in the mud. Stick in the mind of Jesus Christ
hung out with hookers and thieves andship I mean that was where his friends
were, you know. And solike I believe in what the Bible says,
not in what the Church says somemuch and so so. But anyway,
so I was I was like tryingto help Garry with the church,
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meaning like I would support me gettinga little bit of money and trying to
make like, you know, givehim some encouragement keep doing what you're doing.
So I got divorced next wife,and it was a really be honest,
it was the hardest thing I wentthrough my life. And I went
to a really difficult time, andI'm skipping a lot of ship. But
I got married, and I gotmarried, and I got divorced. I
got married being in prison, butthen they sent me to secrecy and I
lost the ability to put my dickinto her and she, you know,
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you know how that shit goes,and so so somebody's gonna put the somebody
sticking her and so so it wasn'tmine anymore. And so with that that
relationship evaporated. Then I was reallybroke up about it. If you want
too over to love a little girl. And so I started attending the church
services just as like a way toget back and to help Jerry, because
poor Jerry, like you know,he needed encouragement. So one day this
kid who was like my son,his name is cop killer Mataia. He
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had some sort of a disagreement withJerry and kicked Jerry in the ass inside
prison and I was in my cell. I don't know what I was doing.
I was in my cell alone,and Jerry comes into myself. He
says, you got a knife,and I said, yeah, man,
right there on the on the shelf. And he's like and he picks a
little a little bit of thing upthat I got there to like peel the
peel like onions and shit, youknow. He's like, no, no,
I'm real fucking off a shank.And I'm like, Jerry, you're
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in the church. Why do youneed a shank? You like run the
church. You're the prison chaplain.What do you mean a shank for.
He's like, I'm gonna kill Mataia, I'm gonna kill cop killer. Why
are you going? And I'm likeit's humorous. I mean, I'm like,
why is the prison champlain going tomurder another in May? What's hell's
wrong with you? He's like,I don't know. You just kicked me
in the ass. And I'm like, well, brother, I said,
you know, you're just gonna haveto take that ship because like they beat
Jesus over the hid and stuff.And he didn't say nothing about it.
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You're gonna have to take it.No, And he's like fuck the church.
I'm like, who whoa, whoa, whoa, oh brother, things
like that, not that church.And I'm like no, no, no,
no, no, no no.And he's like, you're the new
pastor and I said no, Iam not. No, I am not,
I am not you're the pastor Monday, you're gonna be there. No,
I'm not. So money came andhe didn't do shit. Everybody's like
waiting. So I had a littleservice. I didn't preach anything, and
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I was just like, anyway,we're praying for Jerry, will you know,
helped Jerry get back from the way. And Jerry's like like smoking crack
and his sell you know. Sothat evaporated. And then and then the
authorities came in and said why don'tyou do the church? And I'm like,
man like, there are so manypeople that are more you know,
I did. They're like, yeah, but in the old person where you
are you managed the religious service?And I said, well, there's a
whole lot of difference between managing religiousservices for actual pastors and then being a
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pastor, and the churches are reallybig difference between this. But anyway,
so I talked me into it andit carried some privileges with it, but
it carried a lot of responsibils anda lot of headaches. I'll tell you
that it's a really difficult job.I won't lie. I love it though
I enjoy it. So we talkabout stuff like, you know, the
biggest pomp them that prisoners in Panamaand maybe in the United States, so
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I don't know. But most ofthese guys are kids. The median age
is like twenty two or twenty threeor something. They're all children. I
mean, like, I mean,I'm an old gun forty three here,
you know, and the median ageis twenty three. And these are kids
who have no self esteem at all. They don't think that they can be
anything except the gang soldier. That'sthe only thing I mean. And like,
if we look at Andy, it'seasy for us, easy for me
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or anybody else out there who judgethem. But you got a kid who
was born to a prostitute, who'sa drug addict, who from the time
he was three years old, iswalking alone in the street and the only
family he knows are these other gangbands. And is this guy gonna be
a doctor or a lawyer? AndI mean, he's gonna be a gang
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bank the only thing he knows.And it's the only thing that most of
them can't even read and write andreligious barely anyway. And they're really lovely
guys. That sounds crazy. Imean, they kill each other in it,
but they're really lovely carrying individuals.I mean, they're real humans.
And I didn't realize that until Iwas just crammed in here in the old
last three years, and like chargewas taking care of them. So I
started talking to them, and Istarted like holding sermons, and we talk
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about self esteem and talked about youknow, we are good enough to be
something better than just a fucking criminals. And I talked about my own story,
like you know I was. I'mreally lucky. I was born into
a good family and threw it allaway to be a dip shit. You
know, today, even today Iwas talking to the church. I gave
a sermon today about how there's noshortcuts in line. You know, in
two thousand and seven I began killingpeople and had all kind of money and
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all kind of power, all kindof girls and all kind and all the
drugs you wanted. Three years laterI was put in prison, and here
I am suffering with you bunch ofit is, you know, I mean,
like the shit you do come backto you and so. But we
have this really awesome ability. Godhas given us, this awesome opportunity to
a second chance. At any momentyou want to pick up a second chance
in run with it. You canfor instance, you want to start behaving
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good today, all of the badfruits, bad seeds that you've planted sooner
or later are going to are gonnago dry. I mean, there's not
gonna be any more consequences for youractions because you're not making bags anymore.
If you continue to make mistakes,your line's going to be the same ship
that it is today. But ifyou change and you start making good decisions
sooner or later, it's going toimprove. And so that's what we talk
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about, those sort of things.That was actually my message in the church
today. So you know a lotof people say I'm not qualified to get
past, and they're right, I'mnot qualified at all, but there ain't
anybody else to do it, soyou know, it's either it's either me
or nobody. And uh, andwe had a real successful We got like
twenty two guys that can are alwaysin the church. Then there are actually
people even the cops come to listento me talk and stuff. And we
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were just trying to love each other. And like Jesus Christ's talking about Jesus
Christ right to go to how canthis evil asshole be a pastor? Well,
Jesus Crust only gave us two commands. Ever in the Bible, he
said that we should love God aboveeverything else and love each other as if
you love your neighbor as yourself.Those isn't the only two commands if you
the whole Bible, the only twocommands us across every day is that we
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should love each other. So Idon't think that most Christians do that.
I think that most churches are notset up that way. So we do
that here. And that's basically thewhole gist of me as a pastor.
So if you being a pastor andstill a lot of years to face,
where do you see yourself in likefive to ten years down the road?
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Man? Do you have any appealsgoing on or anything like that? Is
there any hope of you even gettingout before you die? In there?
Yeah, there is actually a lot. I lost my field. I should
I lost my field. My fortysix years sentience stuck. But a good
thing happened to me. If thisis very week, actually in between the
last interview and this interview, theyauthorize give me time off of my sentence
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for the work that I'm doing.So I mean, like that's another thing,
another thing I wanted to say andI forgot to set is that you
can't fake what I'm doing. Likeyou can kind of fake and be a
phony and get some sort of abenefit for a certain period of time,
but you'll fail and in because nobodycan fake something for a long period of
time, like three years and years. You can't fake it. I'm doing
what I'm doing right here. Thepanaman and government recognize that the work that
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I'm doing with the prisoners is sobeneficial to them that they authorize me.
Every two days that I work rightnow, I get one day off my
sentence, but I have to takeSundays off. I don't take Sunday's off,
but I'm not allowed to receive thatbenefit for Sunday. So what does
that mean? A normal day fora prisoner counts seven days off of his
sentence. A normal week, excuseme, A normal week for a prisoner
counts seven days off of his symptom. But for every two days that I
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work, excluding Sunday, I geta day off my sentence. So every
one of my week has ten daysin it. I mean, like what
counts every time a week past isten days? Get count off my sentence.
That's the first thing A second.In the Republican pandema, you only
do two thirds of your time.You do sixty six percent of your time,
and then you're allowed to apply forparoles. They call it condition conditional
novels. You're allowed for conditional releasewhere you have to come back and sign,
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take good tests, etc. Soat forty six years, at thirty
years, thirty years, in likenine months, I'm I eligible for parole.
I've been in prison for twelve years, so but with this thirteen years
now, excuse me. The nextyear will be thirteen in June. Every
thirteen years, so in this scenario, I only have to do another ten
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years and I'm free. And that'sif I don't get any other good breaks,
which I'm probably. I mean,the chances are, in my favorite
I'll catch another break somewhere along theline. So I know that that ten
years a good question, you know, because exactly in ten years I should
be free. What am I goingto do after that? Well, I'm
trying to think too much about itbecause it'll drive you crazy. I mean,
trying not to look too far downthe road. But I do have
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a dream, you know. Iwant to go back to the jungle,
back to the deep jungle and builda nice little jungle house and have a
little family and away the hell awayfrom society, write books, you know,
Yeah, definitely, and to takesome check out there to live with
me that's half my age, thatjust can't get enough with my penis,
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and make a coup with kids,and just live the rest of my life
and peace and die happy on anisland somewhere, you know. And I'm
young. I'm forty three, andI feel great. I mean, I
feel like I'm seventeen, and Idon't have any health problems. I boxed
with these kids, like you know, three times a week and left away
tell in good shape. I feelpretty good about myself, and so I
think that I can last. Ihave longevity and my family. I still
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have both of my grandfathers and oneof my grandmothers. And I'm forty three.
So one of my grandfather's is ninetyfour or in the other one's eighty
seven. So I got, youknow, I got things going on.
My favorite I'm feeling like I'm feelinglike, you know, I'm gonna get
a second chance. Man. No, that's great, though. Do you
have any plans for another book afterthis one? That you're finishing up.
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I really want to My Statute oflimitations in Costa Rica ran out so I
can talk about stuff that I didin Costa Rica that I'm not arrested for,
you know what I'm saying. AndI spent this time in Costa Rica
between two thousand and four two thanfive and two thousand and seven, I
lived in Costa Rica and I livedat this country club, so al Kadiati
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and the real Kadiati and Costa Rica, and this country club is a place
where all the politicians. You haveto you have to be like a big
wig in the country to get intothe country club. And I lived at
the country club and I was theirpunisher. I did their dirty work.
Now I want to tell that story, the story so that and I had
a lawyer check in Costa Rica andmy statute limitations is up there and so
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I can talk about stuff. AndI'm like, I'm like so excited about
right, I'm on, I wantto write that book. You know,
I'll never write any books about themurders and shit. I don't want to
talk about that stuff. And it'stoo sensitive anyone. I don't want anybody
to put me either so I leavethat ship there where it is. But
I do want to talk about mytime working for the cost ric and politicians,
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because that was really fucking cool,man. I mean, I wish
I had stayed there doing that.I would probably still be there. Not
never killed anybody. I don't haveto kill anybody or anything, but but
like like I had to judge whentime came to me. And he says,
I got in there, and I'llsee how I got in there.
I'll see how I got in there. And I want to get too much
away. I don't want to getthem much away because I want to ride
it. I'll tell you how Igot in there. I was in a
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bar u looking for work, lookingfor something to do, you know,
some illicit working. And that's anotherthing you gotta understand. In Central America,
nobody's here for a good reason.I mean, nobody leaves the United
States for a good reason. Nobodyleaves Europe for a good reason. We're
all on the run. We're alla bunch of crooks and thieves and ship
you know. So I got hookedup with this German guy who had a
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like a worehouse, but not awhorehouse. But he ran horse. He
ran prostitution, and he was tellingme how he's this guy who didn't point
five thousand dollars and he didn't evenneed twenty five thousand dollars. He had
a lot of money, but itpissed him off because the guy had like
disrespected him. And I said,you want men to go get it?
And he said what And I said, you want men to go get that
money. It was like, ifyou gonna go get the money, I'll
give you a piece of it.And I said, fine, I'll go
get it. So the next Itook, I took a short, little
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one in the little mini league baseballbats the store and bought me one illuminum
bat and I went. After abouttwenty minutes with me, the guy opened
a safe and he paid. Heplaid the mone anybody. So I took
the money to this guys. I'mnot gonna call him Rows, that's not
his names. He's a German.And I took the money to Rows and
it's like here, here's just twentyfive grand, like in twenty four hours.
And he's like, holy shit,really, and I'm like, yeah,
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here it is. And I'm like, pay me, man, And
so I thought they give me threeor four thousand dollars, you know,
I don't know four or five thousand. He gives me half of it,
he said, here, I don'teven need the money. But just like
this amazing thing that you could getget back. Nobody here, nobody here
does shit like that. Like well, I love that's kind of work I
do. Man. So he says, I want you to meet some people.
So he introduced me to the politiciansand the judges and the people that
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live in the country club, andI got They liked me so much they
invited me to live in one ofthe condominiums. They're free of charge,
and so that was really cool.I had about I loved about two years
there and it was good. Itwas a good show. So I can't
wait until I can't wait to writethe book I'm really excited about. I
want to get this one finished,fucking write the next one. Oh yeah,
man, So why don't you goahead and give everybody your contact DENFO
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and social media again before we getoff of here. Man, it sounds
great. Thank you. Someone says, I really want to interact with you.
Come and help me, help mespread the news the gospel of a
wild Bill. To come and seethe dark profits at Friends of Brother Bill
on Facebook. That's it's a Facebookgroup. You can join it. I
mean, there's like a questionnaire thereand this kind of humorous and everyone don't
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take anything too seriously. So don'tcome and be a careing in there,
you know, coming if you ifyou're easily offended, might want to stay
away. It's you know, it'sa really cool place where everybody respects everybody
and we enjoy some Friends of brotherBill on Facebook and then on Instagram it's
a Holiness Bill Holiness Bill, andso you guys come. Both of those
things are private. Nobody sees whatyou posted. Anybody sees that you're interacting
(35:45):
with me. So you guys comingand see what we're all about. Also,
I ask you again, if youreally want them more about me and
were behind story, drag your assesover to Amazon and black copy of my
book Long Live the King Wild Bill. It's on Amazon quite twelve books and
it's a good read. I woulda good reviews man, Joel. I'm
pretty appreciate you having me on theshow. Brother dude. Anytime, anytime
(36:05):
you want to talk about anything,Juji, you got my number. Just
hit me up and we'll get itarranged. Man, You're welcome back anytime.
Thanks so much. Hope you havea good evening. God blessed well.
Thank you, sir. I hopeyou have a good evening as well.
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