September 16, 2025 • 34 mins
John Willis claims to have been the only white person within Chinese organized crime - and it's backed by FBI agent Scott O'Donnell, who stated he has "never seen" a case like that of Willis. John Willis would become a crime boss for a sect of the Chinese Mafia. That group was a larger Chinese gang called Ping On. They were the ones who accepted him and became the family he needed. From the mid-80s to the late 90s, Willis's rank grew, starting as a loan collector and bodyguard before he became the trafficker behind a multi million dollar oxycodone ring. They called him "Bac Guai," or as the FBI translated it, White Devil.
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This podcast contains adult content. Some of the themes or
topics may include information on murder, kidnapping, torture, dismemberment, maybe
some demonic content with information on positions and paranormal activity.
This podcast will also include explicit, horrible, and foul, socially unacceptable,
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totally uninhibited adult themes language. So if you're easily offended,
if you're easily triggered, then I highly suggest you turn
this off now, and if not, just keep in mind
parental discretion is advised. John Willis claims to have been
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the only white person within Chinese organized crime, and that
claim is backed by FBI agent Scott O'Donnell, who stated
he has never seen a case just like Willis. John
Willis would become a crime boss for a sect of
the Chinese mafia and ended up loyal to a group
of people way different from the Boston natives he grew
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up with. From the mid nineteen eighties to the late nineties,
Willis's rank grew within one of Boston's larger mob groups,
starting as a loan collector and bodyguard before he became
the trafficker behind a multi million dollar oxycodone ring. They
called him back Guy whereas the FBI translated it, white Devil,
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my name is Justin and you're listening to mysterious circumstances.
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Willis Junior was born on May eleventh, nineteen seventy one.
His parents were Francine and John Senior. He grew up
in a triple decker in Dorchester. Dorchester was a scrappy
Boston suburb, and it's famous for producing the legendary and
infamous gangster Whitey Bulger and later the Wahlberg brothers. Willis
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fit right in with all the other neighborhood kids growing up.
According to Willis, his father, John was a hard drinking
carpenter who collected money for the Irish mob When Willis
was about two or three, his dad broke the jaw
of another mobster, and after getting his life threatened for it,
he left the family and headed back to his home
state of North Carolina and just never came back. His mother, Francine,
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she struggled to support the family by working in a
shoe store called Stride Right, and she would always tell him,
just don't be like your dad, and he promised her
that he wouldn't never be. John himself said, I just
knew that I didn't want to be like my father
because I didn't want to be a drunk and I
didn't want to be abusive towards women. Although John's older
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half brother, Richie, and his half sisters they all went
into some hardcore drug abuse, Willis himself he never drank
or did drugs, but he definitely had his dad's temper,
and Willis channeled all of this anger into hockey. He
was playing goalie six hours a night, and he was
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trying to capitalize on his size because he was a
bigger kid than the rest of him. And one day,
while in middle school, a kid stole his shoes and
Willis beat him with a chair and ended up getting
sent to alternative school for kids with bad behavior. Now.
Within the next year, his mother had her legs amputated
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because of diabetes, and because of that, she couldn't keep
her job at the shoe store, so John ended up
skipping school to wheel her around the house, help her out,
bathe her pretty much anything she needed. Now. That next year,
shortly after he turned fifteen, while John was off with
his friends, his mother suddenly dies of a blockage to
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her heart, and John absolutely broke down when he got
the news. Like she meant everything to him. She was
all he had left in the world, and now she
was gone. So then he really doesn't know what to
do with himself. He's kind of, you know, trying to
talk to his half siblings, and after one of his
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niece's friends kicked him in the groin, he spit at
her and his older half brother, Richie, who was thirty
four at the time, he hit him and he knocked
him down the steps of their three decker home, and
Willis just yelled at him, I hope you die. And
two days later, Ritchie drops dead of a heart attack.
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Richie died. The death did affect John Willis quite a
bit traumatized him because he was young, he was vulnerable,
and he blamed himself for cursing him, you know, saying
I hope you die. And John Willis, looking back now
thinks that the heart attack was just his older brother
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on a coke binge and he ended up just not
being able to take anymore. So after his brother dies,
the house is still in Richie's name, so John could
remain there, but he had no clue how to provide
for himself, and as far as like Social service Is knew,
he was being taken care of by his half sisters,
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but they were all living elsewhere, addicted to hardcore drugs,
and they were just not around. And he did have
some other relatives around town, but they refused to take
him in. So now John Willis is roughly sixteen years
old and he's an orphan. And John said it was tough.
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I ain't gonna lie. You grow up. You become a
man in an hour. Because of his circumstances and his
already bad temper, he starts getting into more trouble. He's
just super angry all the time. John Willis was still
trying to go to school, you know. Afterward he came
home to an empty house and he's struggling to survive.
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And in the winter of nineteen eighty five, he had
no money, no heat, no one that even really cared
about him, and he slept under blankets in a chair
in the kitchen and he was warming himself up by
an open oven. Even though he was scared and alone,
he absolutely refused to take handouts from people. He didn't
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want any help from anybody, and he made sure that
nobody would fuck with him either. He threw himself into
weightlifting hardcore that was one of the only things that
he did. And he also started using some steroids. His
childhood friend Sean said, he went from a chubby kid
to an absolute monster. And he fit right in with
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this boyhood crew around his neighborhood and with his size.
Another old friend said, he was a regular neighborhood kid.
We all used to run around in the streets getting
into trouble. Now John would eat some meals at friends' homes,
but he was too stubborn and proud to take that
many handouts. He would rather go hungry than beg And
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at this point there's a lot of unforeseen circumstances and
events that happened. So when John Willis is sixteen, one
of his friends helped him make the most of his
size by getting him a job as a bouncer at
a club near Fenway Park, and he lied and said
he was eighteen so that he could work there. Now.
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He was already into steroids and bodybuilding at this time,
so he was a big kid. He was breaking up
bar fi and it was actually a good way for
him to get his aggression out too. And his cousin
Deborah said, Johnny has a lot of rage. He's never
dealt with his mother's death, never dealt with the fact
that his father left. So you know, this bar that
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he got a job as a bouncer at just happened
to be where a lot of Asians would show up
and hang out. Sundays were always Asian knights at the bar,
and Willis was impressed by all the sharp dressed younger guys.
I mean they had the spiky hair, they had these
big brick cell phones, they had all these super high girlfriends.
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And his boss at the bar warned him, said, they're gangsters.
Whatever happens, stay out of their business. But one night
Willis saw a guy who he says, looked like a
Chinese Rod Stewart get maced by a big Korean guy.
So John punched the attacker, pulled the victim away, and
rushed him back to the bathroom and started flushing out
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his eyes. And when John turned around, there were four
of this guy's friends staring him down like crazy. For
all they knew John was the one that was attacking
their buddy. But just as they were about to retaliate
against John, the man yelled at them in Chinese, and
then on his way out, the young gangster whose name
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was Vipaying Joe. They called him John Joe for short.
He handed Willis a card and he said, here's my number.
If you ever need anything, call me. A few days later,
John is down to his last seventy six cents to
his name. He had to spend what little money he
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did make on food. So he goes walking through the
snow to the home of his half sister. But she
refused to answer the door and slipped a piece of
paper under the door, telling him to go away. And
John said, I didn't understand it at the time. I
was a kid. She probably getting high though. So he's
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too broke to afford any kind of cab home, and
he walks to a phone booth and called the one
person he could think of who had a car, and
that was John Joe. So John Joe answers, says, hey,
white boy. When Willis told him that he needed help,
John Joe didn't even hesitate. He says, Okay, where are you.
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Five minutes later, two BMW's pulled up with seven Asian
guys in these fancy ass suits, nice haircuts. One of
them asks are you John Willis? He said, yeah, said okay,
come with us. So Willis checked for a familiar face
in the car, and he says, where's John Joe. The
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guy says, don't worry, We're gonna go see him. And
at this point Willis has nothing left to lose, so
he got inside the car and they took him to
this big ass house in South Boston. There's so many
rooms in this house and they're just overflowed with they.
He said it was like an Asian gangster frat house
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full of just young tough dudes and their girlfriends. And
Willis said, I could see all these guys with different tattoos,
crazy haircuts, guns, all kinds of shit. Willis later said,
I see all these guys with different tattoos, crazy haircuts, guns,
all kinds of shit, and I'm like, what the fuck
am I doing? But John Joe sees them and welcomes
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them right in the house. And the house is just
filled with Chinese people and that includes mothers, children, other
guys in the gang. And this gang at the time
was called Pingon, and this group controlled a large sector
of Boston's illegal gambling dens, massage parlors. And this is
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from the nineteen seventies to the mid eightieses right, around
the time they met John Willis. So that night he
had dinner with them, and the next day they took
him shopping for clothes and started showing him the ropes
and essentially just welcomed him into their group. And it
sounds simple, but Willis couldn't find any crazy explanation for
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being accepted into the gang except that he showed them
respect and they showed him respect in return. So over
time there's this bond that is formed. He was basically
trained up in the gang and initiated into gang life
in Boston. Willis was eventually sent to New York to
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act as a bodyguard, loan collector, and bagman for a
Chinese gangster in the city. When he was in New York,
the gang used to go out to Chinese places and
try to pick up girls and there were mostly Asians there,
and one of his good friends that he was training
with in the gang told him he needed to learn
Chinese if he wanted to pick up women. So while
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he's in New York, Willis began to learn Chinese, the
Cantonese and Toysonese dialects as a way to pick up
Asian women, and he eventually became fluent. Willis eventually also
learned Vietnamese and became fluent in that as well. His
language skills were crucial to his rise within the Chinese
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organized crime That was very important. As he moved along
with the gang, he had to deal with a lot
of first generation Chinese that didn't really speak much English,
if any at all, and he learned these languages by
paying attention during group conversations as well as watching Chinese
movies and listening to Chinese music. He became really fluent,
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including correct grammar and the spot on accent. He would
semi brag that he was the only white guy in
a Chinese gang. Even the FBI said his position was
extremely rare. The Chinese were very insulated. They did not
trust out siders. They still don't. John was about as
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far outside as you can get. Some people think that
it was the way he was brought in as a kid,
and just kind of being different led him to get
ingrained over like a long period of time. He also
became a talking point because his boss thought it was
interesting that this white kid could speak Chinese. Most important, though,
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he was willing to do whatever it took, and he
did whatever was asked of him, and he succeeded in everything.
He was also extremely trustworthy and very very loyal. So
if he was let's say, introduced to the gang as
like a twenty eight year old or thirty eight year
old guy, most people don't think that it would have
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gone as smoothly. But he was like a sixteen year
old kid. That pretty much helped him a lot. And
he was not a trailblazer because there weren't any white
guys who followed him into this mob group. He was
legitimately the only one. So after training in New York
in the early nineties, he was shipped back to Boston
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to work for a man named by Ming. This guy
was not that high up on the list of gangsters
in Boston's Chinatown at that time. He was probably sixth
or seventh in rankings, which was still fairly high. But
soon enough the gang leaders in Boston Chinatown were taken
out of the picture one by one because a turf
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war broke out, one escaped back to China, a couple
of them killed each other, and suddenly by Meing was
the one who was left standing. He was the number
one guy now and most important gangster in Boston's Chinatown,
and John Willis was his right hand man, and because
of that his status in Chinese organized crime went through
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the roof. He was one of the top guys. He
was literally number two. He was by Ming's bodyguard. He
was a guy who checked the car in the morning
for bombs, the guy who took him safely into restaurants
public places, plus the guy who collected money from the
gambling dens for him. He was the second in command
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of the Chinatown gangs because he was the assistant to
the leader. When he went to New York and learned
how to speak Chinese. He rose in the ranks because
he could communicate, but also because he was bigger and
stronger than everybody else, and he was willing to do
whatever dirty work was required. He did whatever was asked
of him. So during this early nineties period, obviously he's
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still fairly young and his boss by Ming ran mostly
gambling dens and some prostitution rings, but was not really
into drug dealing. Now. John went to jail at one
point and came out with a few connections that got
him involved in selling marijuana. Soon it became large quantities
of marijuana, and then it became cocaine, and John's boss
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told him not to do it, but he did it
on his own outside his crew and started making a
lot of money doing that. For a while, he kind
of drifted away from strictly working for the Chinese gang,
but he still maintained his strong connection there. He started
trafficking all this ship from Florida to Massachusetts and selling
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in Cape cod in the Boston area, and there was
a year long investigation that started in Chinatown with a
couple of other targets that Willis had got associated with,
which led to him ultimately getting busted here in the future.
So in the late nineties, Willis was convicted and jailed
for extortion, and then in two thousand he received a
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five year sentence for dealing heroin. While in prison, Willis
met some connections and organized an oxy cotton trafficking ring
from Florida to Massachusetts. And when he gets released from prison,
he became heavily involved in drug dealing and money laundering
against the wishes of his Chinese organized crime leaders, mainly
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by me and probably a few others as well. In
less than two years, John Willis trafficked over two hundred
and sixty thousand pills up from Florida to the northeast
for profits of more than four million dollars. John Willis said, realistically,
the numbers are ten times that. And like everybody who
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sells drugs in you know, the movies, whatever else. Uh,
he blew his cash on ocean front homes in South Florida,
sports cars, strip clubs, speed boats. He was at this
point in time a very dangerous and violent man. So
we fast forward a little bit to twenty ten. A
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wire tapped phone call recorded Willis talking to a brothel
operator who wanted to avenge an injured employee. He knew
he was being filed and that the FBI was on
to him. He had five burner cell phones going at
once and was definitely working, you know, covertly or the
best that he could. But he got stopped for speeding
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at one point in North Carolina, and they took about
eighty thousand dollars cash from him because he couldn't account
for it. You know, they pulled him over there like, hey, uh,
why the fuck do you have eighty thousand dollars cash
on you. He's just like, I don't know, you know,
just basically kept his mouth shut. So of course they
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took it. You know, that makes sense. I'm not even
surprised at that. So in twenty eleven, early one morning
in Dorchester, Massachusetts, John Willis at this point is a big,
thirty nine year old with close cropped gray hair, bright
blue eyes, and he had been away in Florida and
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came back to celebrate his girlfriend's daughter's ninth birthday that weekend.
His Vietnamese a Ma American girlfriend on guy In suggested
that they bring my Linn to bed with them so
she could wake up and see his face first thing.
Shortly after putting her to bed, there was a pounding
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downstairs at the front door. Willis told Guyan and her
daughter stay in the room, stay upstairs. I love you,
it's okay, don't come out, shuts the door behind him.
He ran down the steps and he finds dozens of
armed cops with helmets and bulletproof vests. And the wild
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thing is they never caught him with one pill. They
never found any drugs on him or in the house,
but they connected him to a different investigation in court.
At the sentencing hearing, Willis looked very much like an
effective enforcer. At this point. He's forty two years old.
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He's baby faced, but he's just super muscular. He's got
a tattoo on his left arm Chinese characters for strength
and righteousness. And he was upset that somebody turned on him,
and he was upset that he got his girlfriend involved too.
The thing was is they got her for witness tampering,
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and in order to keep her out of jail, he
had to take the plea deal no matter what, even
though they'd found no drugs on him at all. And
to be honest with you, they can throw a witness
tampering charge on a loved one or whoever pretty fucking easily.
So you know, criminals do a little dirty. Sometimes the
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cops gotta be a little dirty to get an arrest.
I get that. I'm not justifying any drug dealing or
anything like that, but the fact that he was caught
with absolutely no drugs and he was tied into a
different investigation got his girlfriend for witness tampering, and basically said, okay,
if you want to keep her out of jail, you're
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gonna take the plea deal. So on August fifteenth, twenty thirteen,
Willis was convicted of drug trafficking and money laundering for
his role in the four million dollar oxy cotton drug ring.
He received a twenty year prison sentence, and Willis is
currently serving his sentence at Cannon USP. I don't know
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if that's pronounced right, cnain whatever, and his projected release
date is June tenth of twenty twenty eight. Scott O'Donnell,
the FBI agent whose task force eventually caught the White Devil,
was quoted as saying he had never seen a criminal
quite like Willis due to his high status within the
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Chinese mafia underground. Now, Willis ended up agreeing to the
twenty year plea deal even though they didn't really have
any evidence other than wire taps when he was talking about,
you know, few random things. It was not the strongest case,
but he did accept the twenty years to keep his
girlfriend out of jail. Let's be honest, he was doing
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this shit. Just because it wasn't the strongest case doesn't
mean he wasn't guilty. Assistant US Attorney Tim Moran has
a binder of court documents with a label that says
White Devil. That was Willis's Cantonese nickname. Back Guy. John
Moran said Willis's ability to straddle different worlds is unusual
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in a criminal. A criminal who has this sort of
ability and these connections to other areas of crime is
more dangerous. That's what we mean by organized crime. It's
the associations that make these types of criminals more dangerous.
Now the Pingong Gang is no longer active, and this
is what prosecutors have said, although John Willis has maintained
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connections in the Asian crime world. Now, I know this
seems like, you know, super short episode. Whatever they're legitimately
is not that much information on John Willis or the
cases for that matter, or his Chinese underground partners or
people involved. Like when they say, you know, people kept
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their mouth shut. People kept their mouths shut. But I
will say this is from the US Attorney's Office District
of Massachusetts on August fifteenth, twenty thirteen. This was from
a newspaper article. It says the leader of an organized
crime group was sentenced to twenty years in federal prison
for drug trafficking and money laundering after a multi year
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FBI Task Force investigation into illegal activity in Boston's Chinatown.
John Willis, forty two, of Dorchester, also known by his
Chinese nickname back Guy John, which means white Devil John,
was sentenced by United States District Court Judge Joseph Toro.
He pleaded guilty in March to conspiracy to distribute oxy
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codone and money laundry conspiracy. Judge Toro also imposed a
criminal forfeiture money judgment of two million dollars. Willis, along
with twelve others, was first charged in twenty eleven for
leading an organization which spanned Massachusetts, Florida, New York, Rhode Island,
South Carolina, and elsewhere. The organization trafficked hundreds of thousands
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of oxycodone pills and generated over four million dollars in proceeds.
The FBI's Organized Crime Task Force led a long term
investigation into drug trafficking, illegal gambling, extortion, prostitution, and other
criminal activity in Boston's Chinatown and elsewhere. The investigation included
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a seven month court authorized wire surveillance of cell phones,
including the phones of five of the defendants associated with
the conspiracy. The investigation has resulted in the seizure of
over four hundred and eighty thousand dollars in cash, a
thirty eight foot speed by numerous luxury vehicles, thirteen firearms
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and approximately twelve thousand oxycodone pills. Investigators also uncovered extensive
evidence of illegal gambling and prostitution, as well as the
use of extortionate threats to collect loans to gamblers and others.
US Attorney Carmen Ortiz said, twenty years in federal prison
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is well deserved for mister Willis, a career criminal and
the mastermind behind this organization. Not only did this investigation
expose a world of illegal gambling, prostitution, extortion, but also
revealed a significant oxycodone distribution operation. This case significantly disrupted
the flow of this highly addictive, dangerous heroin substitute, which
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has been responsible for numerous deaths and Massachusetts. Mister Willis
and his associates are an example of the opportunistic nature
of organized crime groups whose members share a common bond
of victimizing their communities through drug dealing, gambling and extortion,
and exploitation of women in their quest for illegal profits.
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The methodical nature and duration of this investigation reflects the
focus to secure justice for the victims and make the
community safer. Court documents describe Willis as the kingpin, organizer
and leader of a vast conspiracy with details that would
sound like a Hollywood clash that would with details that
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would sound like a Hollywood cliche if they were not true,
complete with cars, houses, guns, and speedboats. The book White
Devil by Bob Hallerin it chronicles John Willison's rise in
the mafia, including thoughts and anecdotes from the gangster himself.
Bob Hallerin interviewed him in a small room outside his
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prison cell. He said, I spent seven hours with him
over a two day period. So what may sound horrible
to say, I grew to like him, or at least
to understand him. He doesn't ask for forgiveness because he's
not convinced that he did anything wrong. I don't know
that I need to be the one forgiving him. But
as he sat there telling his story from his own perspective,
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there was definitely reason to empathize with him, but also
reason to dislike the way he went about his life.
If you met him and didn't know his background, you
would think he was a really smart, engaging, interesting guy
that thinks things through, has varied interests, and reads a lot.
I didn't know what to expect because he has committed
some violent crimes and was a drug dealer for many years.
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I don't meet a lot of criminals, so I didn't
know exactly how that was going to go. Sitting down
with him, he was extremely pleasant, almost docile. He never
raises his voice, and there's a semi whisper to his dialogue.
I found him very interesting and captivating, and he didn't
intimidate me once we started talking. Even when I'd challenge him,
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he didn't get upset. One of the first things that
John points out is that gangsters killed gangsters, and criminals
kill criminals. He said that idiots killed civilians. I think
he could have used a stronger word. What he meant
was that when he was in the gang, he fought
other gangs for turf and the rights to take money
from the gambling den or the prostitution houses. It was
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important to him that I knew he didn't hurt innocent people.
We haven't talked at all about his wife and daughter.
When I interviewed him, the real tears came when he
talked about how much he missed them. It was stunning
to me because I thought that he was cold and
sensitive and hard. I don't want to throw the word
psychopath out there, loosely, but he had no remorse or
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regret for his crimes that he committed. He lived in
denial with those types of things, but when it came
to love and relationships, he kind of lost it in
front of me for a minute. That really stood out
to me because it it was in contradiction to every
other facet of his personality as well as his criminal history.
And here's a quote from John. My life's been pain.
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It hasn't been easy. You might look at a guy
who's driving around in a Bentley and think that guy's
got the world by the balls, but you don't know
his mind, what he's been through. I've struggled for everything
that I did. Look at me now I'm sitting in prison.
It's not that simple. And of course Hollywood has already
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taken up on this. Warner Brothers is now working on
a movie inspired by Willis's life, although Willis's defense attorney
says he and his client have not been contacted about
the project. A Warner Brothers spokesperson declined to give details,
but did confirm that the studio has recruited James Gray,
the filmmaker behind Russian mafia movies like Little Odessa. And
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we own the night to write and direct the film.
It will be White Devil and its scheduled release date
is June of twenty twenty seven. Whoo man, all right, guys,
let's get a little bit of We gotta name some
sources here. We got Rolling Stone article White Devil Kingpenn
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how John Willis became a Chinatown overlord. That was from
twenty fifteen. We got a Vice article by Sam Ferranti
from twenty fifteen. Got Boston dot Com the story behind
White Devil John, and that was from twenty sixteen. NPR
John Willis also known as White Devil John and Cantonese
was sence to twenty years in prison. As we also
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have an NPR article by Jane Collins. We got a
Morning Edition article and it was called Chinatown's White Devil John,
and that was from two thousand and fifteen. I want
to say, it looks like we also have the US
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Attorney's Office District of Massachusetts with some information there as well.
So I hope you guys liked this episode. Like I said,
I know, it's not a real long one. I thought
it was super fucking interesting. You know, there's there's really
not that much information unless you go ahead and maybe
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I don't know, read the John Holler in book. I
would highly suggest that if you want to get more
in depth, I suppose or not John Holler and I
should say Bob Haller and my fault. I hope you
guys enjoyed, and I'm probably not going to read any reviews,
probably wait for a little bit. I got more bad
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ones than good ones here in the last year or so,
so you know, we'll see what happens. But anyway, I'm
glad you guys stuck around. I love all you motherfuckers. Cheers,
have a beer for me, and I'll see you folks
on the flip side productor Amber of count In, ms LA.
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this off now, and if not, just keep in mind
parental discretion is advised. John Willis claims to have been
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the only white person within Chinese organized crime, and that
claim is backed by FBI agent Scott O'Donnell, who stated
he has never seen a case just like Willis. John
Willis would become a crime boss for a sect of
the Chinese mafia and ended up loyal to a group
of people way different from the Boston natives he grew
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up with. From the mid nineteen eighties to the late nineties,
Willis's rank grew within one of Boston's larger mob groups,
starting as a loan collector and bodyguard before he became
the trafficker behind a multi million dollar oxycodone ring. They
called him back Guy whereas the FBI translated it, white Devil,
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my name is Justin and you're listening to mysterious circumstances.
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Willis Junior was born on May eleventh, nineteen seventy one.
His parents were Francine and John Senior. He grew up
in a triple decker in Dorchester. Dorchester was a scrappy
Boston suburb, and it's famous for producing the legendary and
infamous gangster Whitey Bulger and later the Wahlberg brothers. Willis
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fit right in with all the other neighborhood kids growing up.
According to Willis, his father, John was a hard drinking
carpenter who collected money for the Irish mob When Willis
was about two or three, his dad broke the jaw
of another mobster, and after getting his life threatened for it,
he left the family and headed back to his home
state of North Carolina and just never came back. His mother, Francine,
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she struggled to support the family by working in a
shoe store called Stride Right, and she would always tell him,
just don't be like your dad, and he promised her
that he wouldn't never be. John himself said, I just
knew that I didn't want to be like my father
because I didn't want to be a drunk and I
didn't want to be abusive towards women. Although John's older
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half brother, Richie, and his half sisters they all went
into some hardcore drug abuse, Willis himself he never drank
or did drugs, but he definitely had his dad's temper,
and Willis channeled all of this anger into hockey. He
was playing goalie six hours a night, and he was
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trying to capitalize on his size because he was a
bigger kid than the rest of him. And one day,
while in middle school, a kid stole his shoes and
Willis beat him with a chair and ended up getting
sent to alternative school for kids with bad behavior. Now.
Within the next year, his mother had her legs amputated
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because of diabetes, and because of that, she couldn't keep
her job at the shoe store, so John ended up
skipping school to wheel her around the house, help her out,
bathe her pretty much anything she needed. Now. That next year,
shortly after he turned fifteen, while John was off with
his friends, his mother suddenly dies of a blockage to
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her heart, and John absolutely broke down when he got
the news. Like she meant everything to him. She was
all he had left in the world, and now she
was gone. So then he really doesn't know what to
do with himself. He's kind of, you know, trying to
talk to his half siblings, and after one of his
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niece's friends kicked him in the groin, he spit at
her and his older half brother, Richie, who was thirty
four at the time, he hit him and he knocked
him down the steps of their three decker home, and
Willis just yelled at him, I hope you die. And
two days later, Ritchie drops dead of a heart attack.
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Richie died. The death did affect John Willis quite a
bit traumatized him because he was young, he was vulnerable,
and he blamed himself for cursing him, you know, saying
I hope you die. And John Willis, looking back now
thinks that the heart attack was just his older brother
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on a coke binge and he ended up just not
being able to take anymore. So after his brother dies,
the house is still in Richie's name, so John could
remain there, but he had no clue how to provide
for himself, and as far as like Social service Is knew,
he was being taken care of by his half sisters,
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but they were all living elsewhere, addicted to hardcore drugs,
and they were just not around. And he did have
some other relatives around town, but they refused to take
him in. So now John Willis is roughly sixteen years
old and he's an orphan. And John said it was tough.
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I ain't gonna lie. You grow up. You become a
man in an hour. Because of his circumstances and his
already bad temper, he starts getting into more trouble. He's
just super angry all the time. John Willis was still
trying to go to school, you know. Afterward he came
home to an empty house and he's struggling to survive.
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And in the winter of nineteen eighty five, he had
no money, no heat, no one that even really cared
about him, and he slept under blankets in a chair
in the kitchen and he was warming himself up by
an open oven. Even though he was scared and alone,
he absolutely refused to take handouts from people. He didn't
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want any help from anybody, and he made sure that
nobody would fuck with him either. He threw himself into
weightlifting hardcore that was one of the only things that
he did. And he also started using some steroids. His
childhood friend Sean said, he went from a chubby kid
to an absolute monster. And he fit right in with
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this boyhood crew around his neighborhood and with his size.
Another old friend said, he was a regular neighborhood kid.
We all used to run around in the streets getting
into trouble. Now John would eat some meals at friends' homes,
but he was too stubborn and proud to take that
many handouts. He would rather go hungry than beg And
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at this point there's a lot of unforeseen circumstances and
events that happened. So when John Willis is sixteen, one
of his friends helped him make the most of his
size by getting him a job as a bouncer at
a club near Fenway Park, and he lied and said
he was eighteen so that he could work there. Now.
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He was already into steroids and bodybuilding at this time,
so he was a big kid. He was breaking up
bar fi and it was actually a good way for
him to get his aggression out too. And his cousin
Deborah said, Johnny has a lot of rage. He's never
dealt with his mother's death, never dealt with the fact
that his father left. So you know, this bar that
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he got a job as a bouncer at just happened
to be where a lot of Asians would show up
and hang out. Sundays were always Asian knights at the bar,
and Willis was impressed by all the sharp dressed younger guys.
I mean they had the spiky hair, they had these
big brick cell phones, they had all these super high girlfriends.
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And his boss at the bar warned him, said, they're gangsters.
Whatever happens, stay out of their business. But one night
Willis saw a guy who he says, looked like a
Chinese Rod Stewart get maced by a big Korean guy.
So John punched the attacker, pulled the victim away, and
rushed him back to the bathroom and started flushing out
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his eyes. And when John turned around, there were four
of this guy's friends staring him down like crazy. For
all they knew John was the one that was attacking
their buddy. But just as they were about to retaliate
against John, the man yelled at them in Chinese, and
then on his way out, the young gangster whose name
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was Vipaying Joe. They called him John Joe for short.
He handed Willis a card and he said, here's my number.
If you ever need anything, call me. A few days later,
John is down to his last seventy six cents to
his name. He had to spend what little money he
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did make on food. So he goes walking through the
snow to the home of his half sister. But she
refused to answer the door and slipped a piece of
paper under the door, telling him to go away. And
John said, I didn't understand it at the time. I
was a kid. She probably getting high though. So he's
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too broke to afford any kind of cab home, and
he walks to a phone booth and called the one
person he could think of who had a car, and
that was John Joe. So John Joe answers, says, hey,
white boy. When Willis told him that he needed help,
John Joe didn't even hesitate. He says, Okay, where are you.
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Five minutes later, two BMW's pulled up with seven Asian
guys in these fancy ass suits, nice haircuts. One of
them asks are you John Willis? He said, yeah, said okay,
come with us. So Willis checked for a familiar face
in the car, and he says, where's John Joe. The
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guy says, don't worry, We're gonna go see him. And
at this point Willis has nothing left to lose, so
he got inside the car and they took him to
this big ass house in South Boston. There's so many
rooms in this house and they're just overflowed with they.
He said it was like an Asian gangster frat house
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full of just young tough dudes and their girlfriends. And
Willis said, I could see all these guys with different tattoos,
crazy haircuts, guns, all kinds of shit. Willis later said,
I see all these guys with different tattoos, crazy haircuts, guns,
all kinds of shit, and I'm like, what the fuck
am I doing? But John Joe sees them and welcomes
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them right in the house. And the house is just
filled with Chinese people and that includes mothers, children, other
guys in the gang. And this gang at the time
was called Pingon, and this group controlled a large sector
of Boston's illegal gambling dens, massage parlors. And this is
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from the nineteen seventies to the mid eightieses right, around
the time they met John Willis. So that night he
had dinner with them, and the next day they took
him shopping for clothes and started showing him the ropes
and essentially just welcomed him into their group. And it
sounds simple, but Willis couldn't find any crazy explanation for
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being accepted into the gang except that he showed them
respect and they showed him respect in return. So over
time there's this bond that is formed. He was basically
trained up in the gang and initiated into gang life
in Boston. Willis was eventually sent to New York to
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act as a bodyguard, loan collector, and bagman for a
Chinese gangster in the city. When he was in New York,
the gang used to go out to Chinese places and
try to pick up girls and there were mostly Asians there,
and one of his good friends that he was training
with in the gang told him he needed to learn
Chinese if he wanted to pick up women. So while
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he's in New York, Willis began to learn Chinese, the
Cantonese and Toysonese dialects as a way to pick up
Asian women, and he eventually became fluent. Willis eventually also
learned Vietnamese and became fluent in that as well. His
language skills were crucial to his rise within the Chinese
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organized crime That was very important. As he moved along
with the gang, he had to deal with a lot
of first generation Chinese that didn't really speak much English,
if any at all, and he learned these languages by
paying attention during group conversations as well as watching Chinese
movies and listening to Chinese music. He became really fluent,
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including correct grammar and the spot on accent. He would
semi brag that he was the only white guy in
a Chinese gang. Even the FBI said his position was
extremely rare. The Chinese were very insulated. They did not
trust out siders. They still don't. John was about as
(14:03):
far outside as you can get. Some people think that
it was the way he was brought in as a kid,
and just kind of being different led him to get
ingrained over like a long period of time. He also
became a talking point because his boss thought it was
interesting that this white kid could speak Chinese. Most important, though,
(14:24):
he was willing to do whatever it took, and he
did whatever was asked of him, and he succeeded in everything.
He was also extremely trustworthy and very very loyal. So
if he was let's say, introduced to the gang as
like a twenty eight year old or thirty eight year
old guy, most people don't think that it would have
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gone as smoothly. But he was like a sixteen year
old kid. That pretty much helped him a lot. And
he was not a trailblazer because there weren't any white
guys who followed him into this mob group. He was
legitimately the only one. So after training in New York
in the early nineties, he was shipped back to Boston
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to work for a man named by Ming. This guy
was not that high up on the list of gangsters
in Boston's Chinatown at that time. He was probably sixth
or seventh in rankings, which was still fairly high. But
soon enough the gang leaders in Boston Chinatown were taken
out of the picture one by one because a turf
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war broke out, one escaped back to China, a couple
of them killed each other, and suddenly by Meing was
the one who was left standing. He was the number
one guy now and most important gangster in Boston's Chinatown,
and John Willis was his right hand man, and because
of that his status in Chinese organized crime went through
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the roof. He was one of the top guys. He
was literally number two. He was by Ming's bodyguard. He
was a guy who checked the car in the morning
for bombs, the guy who took him safely into restaurants
public places, plus the guy who collected money from the
gambling dens for him. He was the second in command
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of the Chinatown gangs because he was the assistant to
the leader. When he went to New York and learned
how to speak Chinese. He rose in the ranks because
he could communicate, but also because he was bigger and
stronger than everybody else, and he was willing to do
whatever dirty work was required. He did whatever was asked
of him. So during this early nineties period, obviously he's
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still fairly young and his boss by Ming ran mostly
gambling dens and some prostitution rings, but was not really
into drug dealing. Now. John went to jail at one
point and came out with a few connections that got
him involved in selling marijuana. Soon it became large quantities
of marijuana, and then it became cocaine, and John's boss
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told him not to do it, but he did it
on his own outside his crew and started making a
lot of money doing that. For a while, he kind
of drifted away from strictly working for the Chinese gang,
but he still maintained his strong connection there. He started
trafficking all this ship from Florida to Massachusetts and selling
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in Cape cod in the Boston area, and there was
a year long investigation that started in Chinatown with a
couple of other targets that Willis had got associated with,
which led to him ultimately getting busted here in the future.
So in the late nineties, Willis was convicted and jailed
for extortion, and then in two thousand he received a
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five year sentence for dealing heroin. While in prison, Willis
met some connections and organized an oxy cotton trafficking ring
from Florida to Massachusetts. And when he gets released from prison,
he became heavily involved in drug dealing and money laundering
against the wishes of his Chinese organized crime leaders, mainly
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by me and probably a few others as well. In
less than two years, John Willis trafficked over two hundred
and sixty thousand pills up from Florida to the northeast
for profits of more than four million dollars. John Willis said, realistically,
the numbers are ten times that. And like everybody who
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sells drugs in you know, the movies, whatever else. Uh,
he blew his cash on ocean front homes in South Florida,
sports cars, strip clubs, speed boats. He was at this
point in time a very dangerous and violent man. So
we fast forward a little bit to twenty ten. A
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wire tapped phone call recorded Willis talking to a brothel
operator who wanted to avenge an injured employee. He knew
he was being filed and that the FBI was on
to him. He had five burner cell phones going at
once and was definitely working, you know, covertly or the
best that he could. But he got stopped for speeding
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at one point in North Carolina, and they took about
eighty thousand dollars cash from him because he couldn't account
for it. You know, they pulled him over there like, hey, uh,
why the fuck do you have eighty thousand dollars cash
on you. He's just like, I don't know, you know,
just basically kept his mouth shut. So of course they
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took it. You know, that makes sense. I'm not even
surprised at that. So in twenty eleven, early one morning
in Dorchester, Massachusetts, John Willis at this point is a big,
thirty nine year old with close cropped gray hair, bright
blue eyes, and he had been away in Florida and
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came back to celebrate his girlfriend's daughter's ninth birthday that weekend.
His Vietnamese a Ma American girlfriend on guy In suggested
that they bring my Linn to bed with them so
she could wake up and see his face first thing.
Shortly after putting her to bed, there was a pounding
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downstairs at the front door. Willis told Guyan and her
daughter stay in the room, stay upstairs. I love you,
it's okay, don't come out, shuts the door behind him.
He ran down the steps and he finds dozens of
armed cops with helmets and bulletproof vests. And the wild
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thing is they never caught him with one pill. They
never found any drugs on him or in the house,
but they connected him to a different investigation in court.
At the sentencing hearing, Willis looked very much like an
effective enforcer. At this point. He's forty two years old.
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He's baby faced, but he's just super muscular. He's got
a tattoo on his left arm Chinese characters for strength
and righteousness. And he was upset that somebody turned on him,
and he was upset that he got his girlfriend involved too.
The thing was is they got her for witness tampering,
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and in order to keep her out of jail, he
had to take the plea deal no matter what, even
though they'd found no drugs on him at all. And
to be honest with you, they can throw a witness
tampering charge on a loved one or whoever pretty fucking easily.
So you know, criminals do a little dirty. Sometimes the
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cops gotta be a little dirty to get an arrest.
I get that. I'm not justifying any drug dealing or
anything like that, but the fact that he was caught
with absolutely no drugs and he was tied into a
different investigation got his girlfriend for witness tampering, and basically said, okay,
if you want to keep her out of jail, you're
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gonna take the plea deal. So on August fifteenth, twenty thirteen,
Willis was convicted of drug trafficking and money laundering for
his role in the four million dollar oxy cotton drug ring.
He received a twenty year prison sentence, and Willis is
currently serving his sentence at Cannon USP. I don't know
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if that's pronounced right, cnain whatever, and his projected release
date is June tenth of twenty twenty eight. Scott O'Donnell,
the FBI agent whose task force eventually caught the White Devil,
was quoted as saying he had never seen a criminal
quite like Willis due to his high status within the
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Chinese mafia underground. Now, Willis ended up agreeing to the
twenty year plea deal even though they didn't really have
any evidence other than wire taps when he was talking about,
you know, few random things. It was not the strongest case,
but he did accept the twenty years to keep his
girlfriend out of jail. Let's be honest, he was doing
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this shit. Just because it wasn't the strongest case doesn't
mean he wasn't guilty. Assistant US Attorney Tim Moran has
a binder of court documents with a label that says
White Devil. That was Willis's Cantonese nickname. Back Guy. John
Moran said Willis's ability to straddle different worlds is unusual
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in a criminal. A criminal who has this sort of
ability and these connections to other areas of crime is
more dangerous. That's what we mean by organized crime. It's
the associations that make these types of criminals more dangerous.
Now the Pingong Gang is no longer active, and this
is what prosecutors have said, although John Willis has maintained
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connections in the Asian crime world. Now, I know this
seems like, you know, super short episode. Whatever they're legitimately
is not that much information on John Willis or the
cases for that matter, or his Chinese underground partners or
people involved. Like when they say, you know, people kept
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their mouth shut. People kept their mouths shut. But I
will say this is from the US Attorney's Office District
of Massachusetts on August fifteenth, twenty thirteen. This was from
a newspaper article. It says the leader of an organized
crime group was sentenced to twenty years in federal prison
for drug trafficking and money laundering after a multi year
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FBI Task Force investigation into illegal activity in Boston's Chinatown.
John Willis, forty two, of Dorchester, also known by his
Chinese nickname back Guy John, which means white Devil John,
was sentenced by United States District Court Judge Joseph Toro.
He pleaded guilty in March to conspiracy to distribute oxy
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codone and money laundry conspiracy. Judge Toro also imposed a
criminal forfeiture money judgment of two million dollars. Willis, along
with twelve others, was first charged in twenty eleven for
leading an organization which spanned Massachusetts, Florida, New York, Rhode Island,
South Carolina, and elsewhere. The organization trafficked hundreds of thousands
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of oxycodone pills and generated over four million dollars in proceeds.
The FBI's Organized Crime Task Force led a long term
investigation into drug trafficking, illegal gambling, extortion, prostitution, and other
criminal activity in Boston's Chinatown and elsewhere. The investigation included
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a seven month court authorized wire surveillance of cell phones,
including the phones of five of the defendants associated with
the conspiracy. The investigation has resulted in the seizure of
over four hundred and eighty thousand dollars in cash, a
thirty eight foot speed by numerous luxury vehicles, thirteen firearms
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and approximately twelve thousand oxycodone pills. Investigators also uncovered extensive
evidence of illegal gambling and prostitution, as well as the
use of extortionate threats to collect loans to gamblers and others.
US Attorney Carmen Ortiz said, twenty years in federal prison
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is well deserved for mister Willis, a career criminal and
the mastermind behind this organization. Not only did this investigation
expose a world of illegal gambling, prostitution, extortion, but also
revealed a significant oxycodone distribution operation. This case significantly disrupted
the flow of this highly addictive, dangerous heroin substitute, which
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has been responsible for numerous deaths and Massachusetts. Mister Willis
and his associates are an example of the opportunistic nature
of organized crime groups whose members share a common bond
of victimizing their communities through drug dealing, gambling and extortion,
and exploitation of women in their quest for illegal profits.
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The methodical nature and duration of this investigation reflects the
focus to secure justice for the victims and make the
community safer. Court documents describe Willis as the kingpin, organizer
and leader of a vast conspiracy with details that would
sound like a Hollywood clash that would with details that
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would sound like a Hollywood cliche if they were not true,
complete with cars, houses, guns, and speedboats. The book White
Devil by Bob Hallerin it chronicles John Willison's rise in
the mafia, including thoughts and anecdotes from the gangster himself.
Bob Hallerin interviewed him in a small room outside his
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prison cell. He said, I spent seven hours with him
over a two day period. So what may sound horrible
to say, I grew to like him, or at least
to understand him. He doesn't ask for forgiveness because he's
not convinced that he did anything wrong. I don't know
that I need to be the one forgiving him. But
as he sat there telling his story from his own perspective,
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there was definitely reason to empathize with him, but also
reason to dislike the way he went about his life.
If you met him and didn't know his background, you
would think he was a really smart, engaging, interesting guy
that thinks things through, has varied interests, and reads a lot.
I didn't know what to expect because he has committed
some violent crimes and was a drug dealer for many years.
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I don't meet a lot of criminals, so I didn't
know exactly how that was going to go. Sitting down
with him, he was extremely pleasant, almost docile. He never
raises his voice, and there's a semi whisper to his dialogue.
I found him very interesting and captivating, and he didn't
intimidate me once we started talking. Even when I'd challenge him,
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he didn't get upset. One of the first things that
John points out is that gangsters killed gangsters, and criminals
kill criminals. He said that idiots killed civilians. I think
he could have used a stronger word. What he meant
was that when he was in the gang, he fought
other gangs for turf and the rights to take money
from the gambling den or the prostitution houses. It was
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important to him that I knew he didn't hurt innocent people.
We haven't talked at all about his wife and daughter.
When I interviewed him, the real tears came when he
talked about how much he missed them. It was stunning
to me because I thought that he was cold and
sensitive and hard. I don't want to throw the word
psychopath out there, loosely, but he had no remorse or
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regret for his crimes that he committed. He lived in
denial with those types of things, but when it came
to love and relationships, he kind of lost it in
front of me for a minute. That really stood out
to me because it it was in contradiction to every
other facet of his personality as well as his criminal history.
And here's a quote from John. My life's been pain.
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It hasn't been easy. You might look at a guy
who's driving around in a Bentley and think that guy's
got the world by the balls, but you don't know
his mind, what he's been through. I've struggled for everything
that I did. Look at me now I'm sitting in prison.
It's not that simple. And of course Hollywood has already
(30:31):
taken up on this. Warner Brothers is now working on
a movie inspired by Willis's life, although Willis's defense attorney
says he and his client have not been contacted about
the project. A Warner Brothers spokesperson declined to give details,
but did confirm that the studio has recruited James Gray,
the filmmaker behind Russian mafia movies like Little Odessa. And
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we own the night to write and direct the film.
It will be White Devil and its scheduled release date
is June of twenty twenty seven. Whoo man, all right, guys,
let's get a little bit of We gotta name some
sources here. We got Rolling Stone article White Devil Kingpenn
(31:22):
how John Willis became a Chinatown overlord. That was from
twenty fifteen. We got a Vice article by Sam Ferranti
from twenty fifteen. Got Boston dot Com the story behind
White Devil John, and that was from twenty sixteen. NPR
John Willis also known as White Devil John and Cantonese
was sence to twenty years in prison. As we also
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have an NPR article by Jane Collins. We got a
Morning Edition article and it was called Chinatown's White Devil John,
and that was from two thousand and fifteen. I want
to say, it looks like we also have the US
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Attorney's Office District of Massachusetts with some information there as well.
So I hope you guys liked this episode. Like I said,
I know, it's not a real long one. I thought
it was super fucking interesting. You know, there's there's really
not that much information unless you go ahead and maybe
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I don't know, read the John Holler in book. I
would highly suggest that if you want to get more
in depth, I suppose or not John Holler and I
should say Bob Haller and my fault. I hope you
guys enjoyed, and I'm probably not going to read any reviews,
probably wait for a little bit. I got more bad
(32:47):
ones than good ones here in the last year or so,
so you know, we'll see what happens. But anyway, I'm
glad you guys stuck around. I love all you motherfuckers. Cheers,
have a beer for me, and I'll see you folks
on the flip side productor Amber of count In, ms LA.
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