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In mind parental discretion is advised. In February nineteen ninety three,
a mother and daughter returned home to find their husband
and father, David Glenn Lewis, was missing. Hours later, a
deceased hit and run victim was found sixteen hundred miles away.
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It would take eleven years before the victim would be
identified as David Glenn Lewis. Family and friends said he
would never just up and leave, and police were dealing
with conflicting information on whether he was abducted, killed himself,
or just walked away from his life. A few months
after his disappearance, Detective James Smith, who worked full time
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on the case, was quoted as saying, I changed my
mind a lot on this I wake up at two
in the morning thinking, whatever happened to David Lewis. My
name is justin. This is mysterious circumstances, and you're listening
to the death of David Glenn Lewis. David Glenn Lewis
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was born in Georgier, Texas, in nineteen fifty three, the
second of two children to Herschel and Esther Lewis. David
graduated from high school in nineteen seventy two, and from
there he went to Texas Tech University, where he was
an honor student and graduated with a degree in political science.
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David continued on with his studies at law school and
he got his doctorate in nineteen seventy nine. He married
his wife, Karen in nineteen eighty one, and their only child,
a daughter, was born a couple of years later. Lewis
and his family lived in Dumas, Texas, which is about
a forty five minute drive north of Amarillo. He served
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as an assistant county attorney in Sherman and Wheeler Counties,
and in nineteen eighty six he was elected judge of
the Court at Law in Moore County. Four years later,
in nineteen ninety, he left that position to run unsuccessfully
for the sixty ninth District Court judgeship, and it should
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be noted that his wife told police that he did
receive death threats while serving as judge for those four years,
so keep that in the back of your minds. He
eventually returned to private law practice with an Amarillo firm,
and he taught government classes at Amarillo College as well.
He was the member of a local church, a Sunday
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school teacher, a member of the director's board for the
Doomas Community Education Advisory Council, and a district chairman involved
in the Boy Scouts of America and United Way. David,
who was thirty nine at the time of his death,
was said to be a dedicated family man and charity
volunteer who was very close with his parents and brother
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as well. So kind of sounds like he was an
all round good dude, all right. Here's the timeline of
events of him going missing. Thursday, January twenty eighth, nineteen
ninety three, Lewis took off from work at his law
firm around noon, saying he was not feeling well and
would be going home. Records show a gasoline purchase with
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his credit card that afternoon as well. Then he went
on and taught his class at the college that evening
until ten pm. And also on this night, David's wife
and ten year old daughter headed from their home to Dallas,
which was about four hundred miles away, sometime in the
afternoon or evening, and they were leaving for a weekend
shopping trip. They did not see him before they left.
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The next day, Friday, January twenty ninth, nineteen ninety three,
this is Super Bowl weekend, people. They left David at
home alone for the next couple of days. So he
wanted to stay home and watch the Cowboys play because
that's who is in that Super Bowl, fucking Dallas Cowboys,
and they were David's favorite team. So you know, women go, guys,
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get stay and watch football. What it is. During the
day on Friday, a member of the Lewis's church in
Dumas reported seeing Lewis hurrying through the Southwest Airlines terminal
at Amarillo International Airport, and he did not appear to
be carrying any luggage. At ten thirty pm that night,
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a police officer patrolling saw a red Ford Explorer that
matches the description of his vehicle parked outside the Potter
County Courthouse the next day on Saturday. It was gone. Saturday,
January thirtieth, in Dumas, a neighbor saw Lewis's red Explorer
parked in his driveway on this day. There was also
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five thousand dollars deposited into Lewis's bank account, and it
could never be determined who actually deposited that money. Police reported.
The last confirmed sighting of Lewis was sometime during the
day on January thirtieth on Saturday. On Sunday, January thirty first,
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the day of the Super Bowl, a deputy sheriff saw
the Explorer parked by the county courthouse again. This time
a man matching Lewis's description was across the street, apparently
photographing the building and his vehicle. Later that evening, David's
wife and daughter returned home from Dallas. Were not sure
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on what time in the evening, and it was after
the game had ended. We do know that. And back then,
just so everybody knows, Super Bowls used to start in
the afternoon, like three three point thirty four o'clock. So yeah,
they got home around the evening the game was over.
Now they expected to find David waiting for them, and
they were surprised when he was nowhere to be found.
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In the house, a VCR had been left recording the match,
though it had continued to run after the match was finished.
Two freshly made turkey sandwiches were found in the fridge,
and clothes were still in the washing machine or dryer,
depending on the source. David's wedding ring and watch had
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been placed on the kitchen counter. One source claims that
David's VCR had no preset function to start recording, and
so he would have had to manually set it to
start recording on the thirty first, And that should be
important because there were certain VCRs that you could preset
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the recording and if you had the time right on
the VCR, which was like almost never right you or
you couldn't figure out how to do it, it would
automatically start recording. Now, like I said, somebody said that
there was no preset function on there, but that is
not confirmed information. David's wedding ring and watch had been
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placed on the kitchen counter as if he might have
been like doing dishes or something like that, or maybe
he took him off before he walked out. We don't know.
There were no signs of a struggle or anything disturbed
in the house that would point towards a burglary or
foul play. It had looked like he had just slipped out,
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you know, gone to run a quick errand or something
at the last second, and then he was going to
be back. Now. Due to the game and the tape recording,
David's wife thought that he might have just gone to
a friend's house to watch the game last minute, or
might have had to go to work for something, and
he would just be back soon on this day as well,
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all right, on this Sunday. It was later found that
there was a plane ticket from Amarillo to Dallas purchased
in his name, and it cannot be determined whether it
was used or if Lewis was the one who actually
bought the ticket. Times were different back then. All right now, Monday,
February first, nineteen ninety this is the next day. There
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is still no sign of David Lewis at home. That afternoon,
after David missed two work related appointments, his wife reports
him missing. I'm not sure why she waited so long,
To be perfectly honest with you, we'll talk about that later,
a Dallas cab driver said he drove a man matching
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David's description from a hotel to Dallas Fort Worth International Airport.
The passenger seemed nervous and fumbled through one hundred dollars
bills to pay the cab fare. And I remember this
is still on Monday. Also on this day, there's another
plane ticket purchased in Lewis's name from Los Angeles to Dallas.
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And again it cannot be determined if he actually bought
it himself or whether or not it was even used.
Telling you, man, there's when I was reading about this,
I started getting so confused, so freaking confused. It's a
lot going on here. That's why I was like, man,
I gotta I gotta share this one, because this one
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had me thinking all kinds of shit. You know, you
think mental break. But then it's just like he was
competent in a lot of things though, you know. Also
on Monday, February twenty first, a body is found at
ten thirty pm sixteen hundred miles away in Yakima County, Washington.
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Several people spotted an individual on Route twenty four near
the intersection of Revard Road in the town of Moxie,
which is just east of Yakima. One source claims the
individual was lying down by the road, while most others
claim he was walking around in the road acting disoriented.
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Both could be true, all right. Some of the motorists
turned around to stop other drivers to warn them that
there was an individual like wandering in the road, But
when they went back just a few minutes later, they
found that the person was laying in the road and
they were dead. Police arrived and found the body, and
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it belonged to a middle aged man. He had been
dressed in military style camouflage, fatigues, and work boots. An
examination of the body found no traces of alcohol or
drugs in his system, and it would be nice to
know what they tested for, though I will say that
because back then they probably did not test for a
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lot of the shit that we do now, or had
the capability for that matter, So you know, take that
with a grain of salt. Investigators believed him to have
been the victim of an accidental hit and run. A
Chevy Camaro was seen leaving the scene around the time
of his death, and the autopsy showed that his cause
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of death was injuries consistent with being hit by a vehicle.
The man had not been carrying any identification when he
was killed, and his identity was unknown. Now back in Texas,
unaware of the discovery on Monday. Here, the investigation into
David's disappearance is just starting. On February second, This would
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be the Tuesday, the day after John Doe's body was
found in Washington. The investigation into David Lewis's disappearance and
Amarillo heats up when investigators find David's car. The red
Ford Explorer had been found again outside the Potter County
Courts building in downtown Amarillo. Under a mat on the floor,
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police found David's house and car keys. His checkbook, two
gas station credit cards, and driver's license were inside the
car in the usual place that David had kept them.
With the recovery of these items, along with David's wedding
ring and watch, which were found at home, none of
his personal effects were missing. His wife said the only
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item of clothing that she couldn't account for was a
pair of green sweatpants. The discovery of David's car and
these items still gave police no real answers. The investigation
does bring up a really interesting piece of information though,
in that sometime before his death, David had informed his
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wife that he believed he had been in danger, but
he wouldn't tell his wife any detailed information about the
threats on his life or what the cause of the
danger was. David's family believed his disappearance may have been
linked to his work as an attorney. Maybe a disgruntled
client or person who held David accountable for something that
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happened as a result of a case, or you know,
he just wanted some revenge on David and he was
going to take him out. Now, he did have enemies,
like David, Lewis did have enemies. One of them was
a guy named Bobby Templin who was a convicted murder.
There was a lawsuit that involved Templan and his former
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father in law, and Lewis had represented the father in
law in that case. Now, Templan eventually withdrew his case
or whatnot, and detectives really didn't think that was a
possibility because Templan didn't have the money or influence to
call out a hit from prison, like it wouldn't have
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anything to gain by doing it, even if he did
do that, So I'll disagree with that. Dude, If You're
already a convicted murderer. You got everything to gain by revenge,
you know what I mean. You ain't getting out, you know. Also,
David was due in Dallas a week after his disappearance.
It was for a deposition and a three million dollar
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conflict of interest case between his former law firm and
a wealthy client. David Lewis was the only key party
awaiting deposition. David had told his father that he had
no no intention of covering up any wrongdoings by his
former firm. He said he was going to tell the truth.
Whoever it hurts, doesn't matter. He was just going to
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go up there and be an honest dude. He ain't
trying to cover up or get in trouble. But David's
attorney in that case said that there would be no
motive because it was an insignificant case that was covered
by insurance, so there was no personal liability of that
three million dollars involved, So there would just be literally
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nothing to gain by Lewis disappearing or dying. At that point,
I will put out this fact as well before we
move a little bit further. There was a lot of
tension between missus Lewis and Detective James Smith, who was
heading the investigation, because Smith had asked her to take
a polygraph test and she refused. So while this whole
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investigation is going on, like missus Lewis does not get
along with the detective and that's the reason she refused
to take a polygraph. In all honesty, I can see
it both ways, you know, so I don't know. Before
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thousand and two. Police told local press that the plane
tickets purchased in David's name around the time of his
disappearance led them to believe David left home of his
own accord, and they did not suspect foul play in
this case, and there were no other leads coming in
at this point. Obviously. This is like, you know, nine
years later the following year, in two thousand and three,
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ten years after John Doe's body was found in Yakima County,
a Washington Patrol detective named Pat Ditter read a newspaper
series entitled Without a Trace, and it was about missing
persons cases. So Ditter, who was a stickler for details
and he was a very dedicated detective, he read in
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the series about the flaws and missing persons investigations, and
particularly flaws in the ncic's computer system at that time,
the NCIC being the National Crime Information Center, and he
was hoping, you know, the thought was that possible identities
or unidentified victims may have fallen through the cracks of
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computer databases. And dinner, he went to Google and he
input characteristics related to about a dozen cases, and he
was hoping to find missing persons cases that matched their descriptions.
And after a week he finally had a breakthrough a
list of potential victims who roughly matched the description of
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the Yakima County John Doe. One in particular, a h
network entry for David Glenn Lewis, complete with a picture
of the missing man. He ended up catching Ditter's eye.
One of these in particular caught his eye, and it
was a Doe network entry for David Glenn Lewis, complete
with a picture of the missing man. The picture of
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David was strikingly similar to the one that he had
of the John Doe. He was put off by the
lack of glasses on John Doe's body, though after looking
into evidence found alongside John Doe's body, Ditter discovered that
a pair of glasses had in fact been found at
the scene. Ditterer went to access the personal effects found
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with John Doe's body and was able to find the
glasses wrapped up in the military style clothing he had
been wearing when he was killed. So at this point
he's feeling very strongly that this John Doe just might
be David Glenn Lewis, and he got a hold of
the Amarillo police. He later sent them items that could
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be used for DNA analysis, one of the boots that
the victim had been wearing and a tissue sample preserved
since nineteen ninety three. David's mother, Esther, provided her own
DNA sample to test against the unidentified man. Then, in
October of two thousand and four, eleven years after he
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went missing, David Glenn Lewis was positively identified as the
deceased man found on Route twenty four, sixteen hundred miles away.
It is still unknown why David would have headed to Washington,
and nobody has been able to offer any kind of
insight into a connection that he may have had in
that area. Now, even though this John Doe does have
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a name, he was identified, which is something that is
absolutely amazing. I love when that kind of stuff happens.
It almost creates more questions than before, Like what happened
to him that weekend? How did he end up in Washington.
Police have stated before his body was identified that they
believed David went missing of his own accord, but the
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family of Dave, they disagree. You know, the things he
said to his wife about being in danger, his demeanor,
you know, how he just was as a person, very
loving family man, the nature of his job as an attorney.
They just cannot believe that he would leave of his
own accord. They said it was either kidnapping or foulplay.
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It has to be Now, did or believes David's death
on the road to have been an accident rather than
a suicide. Nobody can provide any answers as to what
would lead David to Washington, And like I said, he
has no ties there at all. The nature and motivations
behind the plane tickets purchased in David's name too, that's
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fucking weird because both of them were happening in real
time and they had later found out. But there's still
no way to like positively determine that he bought the
tickets himself, or whether or not he even used them.
Maybe he fucking drove to Washington, you know what, I'm saying,
I don't know, but we're actually gonna go over some
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of these questions because this was a whole thing, you
know what I'm saying. So let's talk about a few
points here. Why did David leave his home in Texas
and travel sixteen hundred miles to Washington? He had no
known ties to the state. What was David referring to
when he told his wife that his life had been
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in danger? Was it connected to his work or was
it something that, you know, maybe she was dramatizing a
little bit to help cope with the theory that, you know,
he wouldn't leave on his own accord, if that makes sense.
You know, was he running from a perceived threat to
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his life? Was he just paranoid? Was he meeting someone?
Did he simply want to leave his family? Did he
ever even intend on returning? How did David get to
Washington in the first place? Where the plane tickets bought
in his name connected to his plans? If so, what
is the connection to LA to Los Angeles? Had he
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planned to fly home from Washington and go through LA
if he bought the tickets, did he even use them?
If he didn't use them, the only other logical thing
was that he drove. How did he get from his
home in Amarillo to Dallas? I mean, I would assume
he drove his vehicle. He took a cab something and
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it was a five hour car ride away. Okay, How
would he have gotten to Amarillo to Moxie, Washington, which
was a legit twenty four hour drive. What is the
significance of David's clothes military style clothing in the work
boots when he was found dead. His wife said they
weren't his clothes when she saw them, so when she
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saw the personal effects she got them, She's like, those
are not his clothes. Why was David on the road
before he was killed? Did he have a mental breakdown
some kind of mental health issue. Was he paranoid thinking
people were after him because of, you know, some of
his dealings of being a judge or some of the
stuff he was involved with. What was his initial decision
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to leave home? Was it a suicide attempt? Personally? I
don't think so, but that is on the tables. We
don't know. Was David's hit and run truly an accident
or linked to the danger he believed himself to be in,
And if it was on purpose?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Who was it?
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Who were they a part of? Did he intend to
return home from Washington back to Texas before he was killed,
using lax as a stopover, And we already kind of
discussed that one. If that's the case, why did he
go to Washington in the first place? With no more
leads coming in? The criminal investigation into David's disappearance was
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closed after eleven months, and now you're stuck with all
these questions and wondering what the hell is going on?
That's literally all I got for you. Let me state
some sources here real quick. We got to find a
grave dot com, CBS News, Seattle Post, Intelligencer, Spokesman dot com,
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donetwork dot org, del Rio News Herald. So I don't know.
I hope you guys enjoyed that episode. Like I said,
it's a little something for you to think about, that's
for sure. But yeah, I don't know. Personally, I don't know.
I think he might have had a mental break and
like it developed into some paranoia or that paranoia and
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all the stress from the deposition he was supposed to
give just caused a mental break. But even even his
attorney was like the fucking three million dollar legal case
was not a big deal, like it was gonna be
covered by insurance, but maybe he felt like, I don't know,
the firm's reputation would be tarnished or something, and he
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was paranoid about people coming after him for that. I
have no idea what happened, but just a very very
odd case. But yeah, when I posted, let me know
your thoughts. I always love to hear other people's stuff.
I know there was a lot of information in a
short amount of time, but sometimes that's how they are. Again,
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I do have some some other cases coming up here.
I don't know if I can record tomorrow night, but
I should be able to do something. I don't know.
We'll see. Let's go ahead and read a few reviews.
Fuck it, I ain't got nothing to do. I got
a little bit of a buzz going on. Might as
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well well. For those of you do not like the reviews,
you can leave at any time. All right, let's see here,
get up. Oh yeah, Apple podcasts. Oh yeah, there we go, Centtember. Damn,
it was almost a month ago. I put out an episode.
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Let's see what kind of shit ship people talking? Okay,
we got a bunch of new ones oh well, oh
we got a couple couple one stars, a two star.
I'm not sure when the last time I read reviews was,
but Cheer we go. This one is a five star
from Samuel Hess. This was actually a pretty recent one.
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The best of the best. This is by far the
best crime podcast and here's why won It stays focused
on the topic. The host doesn't waste ten minutes talking
about his life, friends, or irrelevant things. They get straight
to the point. The characters are clearly introduced. It doesn't
just throw out names and assume everyone knows the story.
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Three It avoids politics, philosophy, and other unrelated subjects for
The host isn't overly opinionated. He doesn't give or take
on every single issue. We're here to hear the story,
not his personal views. I hope other podcasts learn from
this one. I tell you what, man, thank you for
saying that. Thank you, thank you for saying that, because
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I have always made it a point to be that way.
I'm just here to put out as much information on
a topic as I can, and you guys decide for
yourselves every now and then, I you know, like on
you know, David Glenn lewis here and I will put
out a little bit of an opinion, which, yeah, I've
always tried to keep it that way. I'm glad that
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there are people that appreciate it. Thank you very much
for that. This one is five stars, mathis double seven
says thank you. I found your podcasts about twenty four
hours ago. I enjoyed several in succession after I found them.
You may not realize your work matters to people like
me suffering from insomnia. Long sleepless nights can be frustrating.
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Your podcast is making the nights enjoyable instead of miserable.
Along with your research, you have a nice way of presenting.
Sometimes you even make me laugh. I have skipped around
all different genres you have been covering, and you do
a great job. Some people just aren't great with the
presentation and delivery, but you are spot on. Also, bless
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you for honoring the victims in a kind way. You're
cool man. Well, thank you very much. That is a
very nice observation. I always try to be, you know,
respectful of the victims, especially when you know we're working
with Break the Case, which, for those of you who
did not know Breakthecase dot org, the Little Investigation Team
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that I'm a part of. We are officially a non
profit organization. Yeah, so that is exciting. And we are
taking submissions for new cases as well. So, uh, just
hit me up on social media or something or in
the in the Facebook group or Instagram whatever, and if
you got a case that you want to submit, just yeah,
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let me know. I'll send you the proper link and
you can. You can do that. Oh, one star murder
Roh two thousand and two. Why the cussing?
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Too much?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Unnecessary cussing, no need for all that. People that need
to cuss like that can't find the correct words, so
they resort to cuss words. Hey, you know what, some
fucking times that that is the case, you know, but
it is what it is. You'll be all right, You'll
be all right. I tell you what I find unnecessary
as people who can't fucking read or listen to a
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disclaimer saying that there is uh explicit language in this podcast.
They don't they don't believe it. I don't know, they
want to test it. They're just looking for something to
bitch about.
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I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Anyway, whatever, Evil Never Dies podcast, Hell Yeah, new intro
Outro Digging the New Music Stay heavy, I'm glad. Yeah,
I got some new music back earlier this year, and
I've actually heard a few compliments on.
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It, So yeah.
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I got the link to who it is in the
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out some of the other music too if you want.
Let's see we got Jenny Lynn. Mysterious Circumstances was a
first podcast I ever listened to. I understand I was
way late to the game, but listening to Justin over
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the years is like listening to a friend just tell
a story. He is intelligent, passionate, and one hundred percent genuine.
Thank you for all your hard work. Well, thank you.
I appreciate you too. Which one here? We got Heritage
Construction Lee. Oh well, it's good to know your fuck
and business on there, I guess terrible, bad speaker, bad
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storytell monotone and vulgar. Don't waste your time on this podcast,
bad bad speaker. You know what else matters? Fucking punctuation dude,
Because I am reading this review. If you speak like
you write, you're a bad speaker, bad storyteller too. I
can imagine. I don't know punctuation matters. That's all I'm
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gonna say. About that. Oh who we got? Oh two star?
Oh gratuitous expletives, you know what? Not even gonna fucking
read that because it's about the same shit we already know.
What's this one? Five stars. Missus Herbert love it. I
absolutely love this podcast. I'm a new listener and I'm
so happy I found it. Justin does incredible research and
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it's like I'm chatting with a friend when I listen
to him. Keep doing what you do. It's great. Well,
thank you very very much. This one is from Divine
miss d This is from I mean, we're going back
to January of last year, and so yeah, let's go
A plus. I love the Charles Walton episode. I actually
liked that episode a lot too. It was interesting, but
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it says Justin regularly fibbs stories that I have not heard,
and that isn't easy. I am so over John Benetton,
Gypsey Rose and all the hosts doing the latest Dayline
episodes a month later. I recommend this, and you know what,
that's why I picked the cases that I do, because
I'm not trying to. I can't fucking stand that shit either.
(33:35):
It's so annoying. This probably Yeah, I mean, I got
a couple more one stars. I'm going back to like
twenty twenty three. I tell you what, you can always
hit the update button. I'll start reading. I'm going forward.
But anyway, I hope you guys had a good time.
You guys know all the socials. You can also visit
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the show notes for all of my promotions and deals
that you get. Promo code is MC podcast all one word,
and yeah, you can hit that link and actually just
just go to the not the episode description. I mean
that too, but you can go to the show description
and see it. There's if you go to the podcast description,
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that's the link to all of them, so that yeah,
there might be one in there you see that you
like as well. So don't rambling. I'm gonna catch a
buzz and edit this stuff.
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I'll see you guys on the flip side. The s