189: Blackmail, Bloodlines, and the Abyss w/ Austin Picard | Nephilim Death Squad - Nephilim Death Squad

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
We are being hitnotized by people like this, news readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers.
We are in a country and in a world that
is being run by unbelievably sick people.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
And the chasm.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Between what we're told is going on and.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
What's really going on is absolutely no.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
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all know what's going down, but no one's saying it
would happened to the home of the brief. There must
controlling this now when no one's talking about in the
side every place, and everybody's just walking around in the
post awaken doing done in the great but it's lay.
We need to be ready to raise up.

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Welcome to the edge of the day. Everybody is sleeve.
Only some are aware is that the government releasing poison
and a.

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Speaker 4 (01:16):
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Huh how about wee you know, if that comes up
as flagged, like I've been doing a lot of editing
and they flag it, yeah, poors, but they spell it
po ri e s. And it was like, I think
he's calling them poor in a derogatory manner. He definitely is,
but clogged. No, I leave it like that because I
want them to know, but it is mean. I think
it's mean.

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Speaker 1 (02:00):
Look at this ship incredible harm.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, mommy, mommy, tear get you can you read that?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Nothing? But it's fifteen hundred dollars a month, no members,
no members, one hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Believe that nobody wants to be mommy and daddy.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's pathetic, it is. We'll drink but you we'll call
you daddy. For one hundred dollars, we'll call you mommy
four fifteen.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
That's a lot. I mean.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
Yeah, you know, Mommy's a special a special term and
only real, real rich members get that.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Let's introduce Can we introduce Mommy?

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Can we introduce Mommy? Yeah, let's welcome Mommy to the
stage joining us today. Is Mommy back once again?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (02:42):
This is what I think, either the third or fourth
appearance that Mommy aka one of Buston Piccard has made.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Our favorite guests, one of our favorite guests.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Of my favorite people.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Before we get into the conversation, Austin, can you let
everybody know where they can find your work?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, for sure, brother, as always, man, you guys know
how much I love you guys, And uh, lately it's
felt like I'm kind of the child in a sort
of divorced type.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Of situation, you know what I mean, Like, no, Mommy,
we are mommy.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Honestly. But but yeah, you guys can all find my
work at the Underclass Podcast and uh, the best place
to support me is definitely my patreon Patreon dot com
slash the under Underclass podcast because essentially, like at the
lowest level, the three dollars tier, you still gain access
to the Paywald show that I have with Sam Tripley

(03:42):
and Brad Binkley called whatever This is? And uh, yeah, man,
it's been a lot of fun. Honestly, I think this Also, do.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
You do another show with one of my favorite people,
what's that show called.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Already Dead with with my brother jose Gallison and and
uh and jewels are our shameless producer who absolutely and
honestly he's he's been stepping up his game. I love
Jewels Man. He's he's the ship and it's hilarious seeing
him on the ones and twos, you know what I mean.

(04:13):
But uh, but he's gonna help. He's gonna co host
on the twenty ninth with me. Actually we're gonna have
on donut yeah because can be gone. So yeah, yeah,
I was like, oh, ship, we got to make that happen.
We just hit it off at bro Grove. Honestly, I
love that guy and that was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, they were doing the Spider Man meme like there's
like you know you and basically the whole he was
like both of these guys.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
When they were sitting on stage, I was I was
shocked because I know we've talked about it, like they
look very similar, like you know on screen when you
guys were sitting next to each other.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
That was that was alarming.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
I felt like we had two m k Ultra clone
babies that like into the world and then somehow we're
reunited on.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
It was it was jarring, Like I was running back
and forth in the back and I was like, I'd
like to look on stage, just like I don't have
time for this.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Every time I might look at him, I grabbed for
my gun. I just felt unsettled. I didn't know what.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Part of the same I was Waldy and Carrie Thornley
Nazi breeding experiment or something.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
It's like one of these guys is going to try
to assassinate us for sure. That's why I were saying.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
I found out he was a Jew, and I got
a little you know, suspicious, but he's very suspicious of himself.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
It's really funny. The first first episode we ever did
of the official nepheline desk, while we somehow got donut
and yeah, episode one, it was like, hold on, where's
my fucking where's my butt? Episode? And I didn't know
he was Jew. And I kept saying, uh anti Semitic
ship because at the time that's.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
He just keeps smiling.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, all the all the kids.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
He was just like mm hmmmm.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
And you know what, to his credit, he's still he's
still start I thought he was. I think little. He
was like a little suspicious, but like I was like, listen, man,
I don't hate you. I just thought it was funny.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Actually, Donut is a fascinating one because if you you
know he's he's actually called me before to tell me like,
hey man, I'm going through it because I'm Jewish, and
and I go, wow, let's talk about a little bit.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
And so he had to.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
He we logically helped him get through the woods on that.
Now he's in a place where he finds it funny.
But he also realizes, like anybody who's doing super obsessive
high level jew noticing all the time, there's there's something
else going on there.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
So but freaking out, there's a thing right now that
I'm looking up because as we're talking about the jew
stuff of what did I say here? Okay, there's a
there's like a back and forth between GNN, the gentile
news network that has a funny name. I actually enjoy
the account and Ohen Benjamin and he's like, oh I
I bodied him of he bodied Owen Benjamin because Owen

(06:57):
is saying that he thinks the syop with this Epstein
file stuff is to get millions of people to ask
for CP.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I don't know if that's exactly it, but I'm suspicious
of what the push is. And in classic fashion of
this guy, he actually used to follow me because I
was the original noticer and then I stopped. And this
guy now has let's see how many he's got. Wow,
almost two hundred thousand followers purely from noticing Jews. That's it, Like,

(07:30):
there's no nothing. I mean, it's it's kind of funny,
but there's no other content there. And I'm right right,
I think after a while you should maybe like if
you've it's I don't know if you If you're a
comedian and all you do is one joke, the same
joke all the time, and now you're on Netflix, I
think you need to step back and go what am

(07:51):
I doing?

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Well? Is this?

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Can you pull this up on the screen tap It's
one of the things that I'm sharing, so I know
it says that for the audience who's looking, who's watching,
it says that the post is unavailable. But this guy,
I said, I'll settle for the names of the offenders
because this guy Ava.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Averrikam whatever, he tweeted them and it went of our
I come.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
It went super viral and it was basically him saying,
release the videos of the child that you know, something
to that effect. Released the come give me the and
I'm going wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, who's
asking for that? Who's asking for these videos? I don't
know if anybody remembers, but we've talked about on the

(08:40):
show before. When when those police officers were supposedly tasked
with looking at I think it was Anthony Wiener's laptop. Yea,
the video, just the footage on the laptop was so
harrowing that these they couldn't watch it all at once.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
They had to watch it in shifts.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Police officers were vomit and sobbing while they're trying to
get through what is on this laptop.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
And then I think out of the nine.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
Or so officers, including the chief of police, who were,
you know, overseeing this case, if I'm not mistaken. All
of them mysteriously died under how many they were nine
I think there.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Was nine, and the evidence warehouse burned down suspiciously in
an arson case, which.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Unrelated arson case, right, I know, But that that's an
interesting thing because I don't I'm not saying. Owen has
this really fascinating way of cutting through the fat and
finding the core of a thing, and too.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Quick, like almost yeah, even I'm uncomfortable with it. And
I'm like, I'm a guy who very much is like
vibrating on the same level as Owen. But when he
he jumps right here, and I'm like, I'm not ready
to jump there yet.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
It's usually steps there, right boom, But this mother fuck
he's jumping all the.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Way there, and that that is very strange and ship man,
I mean, listen, put a bookmark in it. That might
be that might be the case. I'm keeping my eye
open or my mind open for any other types of
sye ops because we've got basically you've got again factions, right,
You've got Elon Musk telling you to ask for the files.
And the crazy thing is we've got the files, we've
got the names, we've had him for a long time.

(10:24):
So now I guess you know Owen is a little
bit right here. It's like, well, we've had the names,
and you're gonna ask for the files, and then that
won't be good enough because they'll give that to you.
Then you're gonna ask to see the videos. And when
you give a mouse a muffin, you.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Know he'll the story.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
It's Epstein videos. I'm pretty sure I read it to
my kid yesterday.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
It's literally if you give a mouse a cookie?

Speaker 5 (10:49):
TV show Now that's give book, dude, I'm not I
will stop this fucking show right here.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Show if you give Mouse a cook it's by Laura
Lumer uh.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
La.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
I'm looking at the thing. I will share this tab.
Don't don't disrespect me. Share your tab, share your tap
because I'm gonna share my tab.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Go ahead, bring it. It's up up, all right.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
It's on the thing right now, going yeah here, Yeah, okay,
you can see that how it would be, how you'd
be wrong if you give him a cookie.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
But by Laura if you give a moose a muffin? Okay,
Well that's a book nobody's ever heard of, right, that's
the original.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I'm sorry Austin. I'm sorry. Anyway, mommy and daddy are
fighting and it's not the same.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
And in front of you before the show started, you
were talking Austin kind of a lot of ship about
Jose a lot of.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
That's not true. That's not true. That's not what Austin
was doing. That's very disrespectful, sir.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
You were talking about staring into the abyss and the
stare the abyss staring back at you. Right, I mean,
this is more or less what's been happening because somebody
like you who gets into the real nitty gritty of
a thing, very information driven, very location names and date driven. Right,
that's how you do your research. And of course right
now everyone is gripped with this Epstein story, and you

(12:12):
were expressing kind of how it's getting to the point
where it's unhealthy to be looking into this.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Can you talk a.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Little bit more about that, Yeah, definitely. I just feel like,
you know, it's interesting because Top even mentioned just a
moment ago, how the list has been available in public
for quite some time. I mean, Nick Bryant himself published
it in Gawker. You know, it's just like if you
go and by the way, I told this to Sam

(12:43):
and Brad the other day on whatever this is, because
to me, it's sort of like perfectly emblematic symbolic of
the current environment that we reside in at this moment,
which is basically how the paradigm, how the power paradigm functions,
you know, how it kind of you know, I think
clearly we're witnessing kind of like the consequential outcome of

(13:07):
certain aspects of assets who are very much you know,
kind of overexposed, being left hung out to dry. And
I think in terms of Nick Bryant, he always tells
this story about how he went to meet with Rusty Nelson,
who is a blackmail photographer from the Franklin Network, Right,

(13:27):
and he meets with him. He's promising to take Nick
to a location where he will show him evidence and
prove certain right, essentially, just prove certain connections that he
was already very much certain of, but from within, you know,
internal documents, legitimate evidence that can prove this fact, because
his role was to actually compromise you know, diplomats, politicians,

(13:51):
individuals who were around these children and participating in these
you know, sinister sexual proclivities.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
But what he tells him basically he gets in the
car with Rusty. He's taking him to this location to
show him this evidence, and a state trooper. He claims
that this is basically out in the boonies. There's nowhere,
no one else is around, and all of a sudden,
a state trooper pulls him over. And before the state

(14:21):
trooper could even come up to the side window, three
other state trooper cars pull up right and this is
very unorthodox, strange, unique situation, and so Nick's instantly, you know,
he's flustered, and basically they come up and they're fishing
for do is the evidence? Basically, what Nick thought was

(14:43):
happening is that they had a tip that this evidence
was potentially in there, you know, that they had had
it personally and physically on them at the time, and
so they were potentially attempting to, you know, actually acquire
that evidence. And Nick himself thought if they had an
on them personally at the time, potentially things could have
escalated and gotten violent, and who knows what could have happened.

(15:07):
And it was almost as if this was a kind
of a desperate attempt to help continue to facilitate the
cover up. At the time, right individuals were being death
threats were being lobbied against them anyway, what he explained
Rusty Nelson told him in terms of describing the network

(15:29):
and how it kind of operates and the individuals involved,
he said he described it as this metaphorical yacht. He said,
you know, you're on a yacht and it's the most
beautiful day. And while you're on this yacht, you can
have anything and everything your heart desires. But the moment
that you decide to step off this yacht, everyone else

(15:55):
on the yacht will make certain that you drown. And
so it's essentially like you can never remove your self
from the network if you're once a part of it,
and so in the end, you will more than likely,
you know, be sacrificed at the altar of public perception
in many ways in order to kind of misdirect a
lot of the interpretations of of how you know. Again,

(16:18):
it's like they want to maintain the theater right in order.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
And.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
I did see, but uh, but yeah, it's just a
very thick curtain, you know, and we we have to
pierce through this veil at at every level. And I
think that's that's become my sole obligation. I feel like
at this moment, I'm addicted to this path. And but
I think it's a moral path. I think it's an
ethical you know, pursuit. I honestly do. But at the

(16:49):
same time, you know, it's all it's at this point,
it's very much become and it's becoming increasingly undeniable that
we are essentially, you know, being ruled by a pedophile
elite class, right, And I think that there they are
the individuals who have sophisticated measures and methods in place

(17:11):
for generations to trap us in this spiritual battle and
essentially I think absolve you of your soul. Like honestly,
it's like the soul trap that we discussed I think
the last time I came on, because it truly does
seem to be that way. And and until you're willing,
you know, to peer into the darkness, right, because that's

(17:35):
what would Essentially it's a difficult task, man, and it's
a monumental and and you know, when you when you
you just kind of probably below the surface to to
just even a minor extent, and you discover who Donald
Trump's mentor was, Roy Khne running human compromise operations for

(17:57):
you know, he built the helped build the system. I
mean the blue sweet parties of human compromises, sexual blackmail,
he compromised, Jaggar Hoover, I mean that's Roy Cone, that's
Trump's mentor. He's he's procuring children who are being abducted
and brought to his right to his actual residence where

(18:18):
he's hosting these human compromised parties. And Trump's property is
very near to this right and very close by at
that point, and David Berkwitz claims that he as a
member of the local chapter of the Processed Church and
essentially where they were abducting children and providing them to
Roy Cone for these sexual black mail, human compromised parties.

(18:41):
And then beyond that, it's like Trump himself being sued.
You know, he's been sued for allegedly raping Katie Johnson.
I believe was her name, right, was that the crazy bitch?
Definitely there's a few of the crazy bitches.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
I think that the most prominent example of an even
sexual allegation, sexual assault allegations was that crazy woman with
the short hair. I forget what her name was, but
she gets toted out onto the world stage and then
she becomes sort of the main figurehead when it comes
to like leading the charge against him for that, you know,

(19:18):
allegations of that nature, and she's very quickly exposed as
out of her fucking mind, which I think is like, oh, perfect, perfect,
you know, I mean, if you're Trump's pr team, absolutely
perfect that this woman is the one who is going
to stick in the memory of because then what it
does is it supports that narrative that these are just

(19:38):
shots across the bow to try to take them down,
and it's there. They're baseless accusations and they're just more
things that the media is levying against him that are
paper thin and fall apart.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
But I just you know, the issue to me, it's
like Trump himself, he obviously it's like yeah, we definitely,
I I agree with what you just said, because obviously
the intention is for us to focus on, uh, you know,
the misdirection, which is clearly the attempt at undermining the
credibility of any other allegations that come forward that kind

(20:13):
of are any at the very least similar in any way.
It's already casting doubt just exactly. And you know, it
was interesting because you know, it's almost like the me
too phenomenon that that occurred, right kind of like paved
the way to a lot of that as well as

(20:35):
far as just psychologically at face value, kind of dismissing
some of those allegations because they're so.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
What would you call it, me too, you know, event
or phase or trend that was happening as a psychological
operation just based off of the people who were propagating it,
which were Hollywood celebrities.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, right, so those are the people.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
That are getting up on the world stage crying me too,
and those are there, those are their you know, propaganda arms.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Oh man, I saw there's a video of Marina Abramovich
and she's talking about how Trump is a magician of
the highest order and he's essentially creating order out of chaos, right,
and basically that that to me, it was just it's
exactly what for her to put it into that context.

(21:27):
It made a lot of sense for me because obviously,
I mean understanding individual individuals like a Jimmy Saville, right,
who I kind of like, clearly he was he believed
himself to have been an oh shit sorry, and a
cult wizard or like a fucking warlock of some kind,
right where he like he's essentially like he believed to

(21:48):
he was casting uh you know, black magic spells with
with his cigar like and his jingling keys like he
is very strange what what he actually was, and and
even his burial right buried at a ninety degree angle
and like these strange Yeah, it's such a crazy story.
He was buried as if he were essentially a vampire. Yeah. Yeah,

(22:13):
it was basically like the burial of what they would
grant the Yeah, let me pull it up because it
is fascinating stuff. But the point being here is that
Marina Bramovich is praising Trump. Is this this greatest thing
and this musician.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Yeah, she said that she was in touch with a
bunch of Shamans who were engaging in some sort of
group dreaming or group visions sharing. When they all came
out of it, they said that Donald Trump was the
magician who was going to awaken the masses, and to
which she felt a little bit you know, oh shucks.

(22:55):
I guess that's because of whatever feminist lean she might have,
but I think she knew. But what they were really saying,
which is, I mean, you know, you look at Maga
Mega being the highest order of the Church of Satan
or some shit like that, right, it's like, uh, then,
of course dark maga or dark magician is this this
is his cast.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
It's not forty five forty five degrees. Apparently it's leaned up.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
It's strange.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
Yeah, fell But people that don't understand the whole spell
casting thing they think that's too far. The way that
I explain it is people are comfortable with the idea
that perception is reality. So if you can create a
public perception on a mass scale, then you can manipulate reality.
So if if you are going out and casting spells,
or casting narratives, or creating culture or or pushing ideologies

(23:44):
on people, then you are creating a consensus among those people,
or a perception among those people, and thereby altering reality.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
So you are casting spells.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
I think it goes beyond that, but that's an entry
level idea that people I think can on a psychological
level grasp and begin to understand, because a lot of
people recoil at that idea of spell casting and it's
like no, no, just think about it in terms of
perception is reality. If you can cast a spell, if
you can cast a perception onto the masses and have them,

(24:15):
you know, internalize that. In some way, shape or form.
Then you can start to manipulate reality. But like I said,
I think manipulation, yes, exactly exactly, And.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
I think Jimmy Saville was was most definitely. I mean
obviously he was a he was a necrophiliac as well.
I mean the guy was very strangent. He had an
Oedipus complex. I'm pretty sure he had sex with his
mother's dead body. I'm almost postived that that took place. Yeah,
and beyond that, he's he's caught up in the Cancora scandal, right,

(24:46):
the Cancora Boys Home. And that's a fascinating story. Whenever
I covered that in an episode on just Like a
solo project, it was honestly, I didn't realize what I
was getting into, which is usually the case in terms
of all these these stories that I find myself telling.

(25:07):
It's it's very strange. But but he was involved and
affiliated with the Anglo Irish vice ring, right, and this
has a very much has a lot to do with essentially,
you know, they there was a destabilization happening in Ireland
at this time, right where like you had essentially these

(25:28):
Alpha lodges, Alpha free Masonic lodges at the time were
essentially kind of the uh. They were coming from the
UK and effectively running up what was called Operation Clockwork Orange.
And it's really crazy because this, Uh, I believe this
was prior to the film being made, but it might
have been directly after, if I remember. Now, I can't

(25:50):
quite remember the details of that, but I do. It's
so strange how they they name these covert operations. But
I discovered that basically there's a long standing essentially destabilization
operation to divide Ireland into two and just kind of
like ruled over the pieces in certain ways. And and uh,

(26:11):
and that happened. It happens so very often. I mean,
it happened just recently in Ukraine. Now it's happening in Syria,
which Syria is already kind of a broken state in
so many ways. But it's still like what what inevitably
occurs whenever you have this sort of you know, failed state,
destabilized environment strategy of tension in many ways, which always

(26:34):
falls perfectly into the playbook of Gladiol, Right, But but
still you have this kind of like ground zero for
basically exploiting this crisis. So inevitably you have these childcare homes,
these these essentially just becoming priority targets in terms of

(26:56):
just you know, utilizing these these victims with no real
protectors in place, and obviously most of these I think
it's very interesting when it boils down to how they
had a with the Concorra Boys Home. You had actual
like British Intelligence who had a nearby hotel that was

(27:19):
entirely rigged. A whole floor in that hotel was entirely
rigged with audio visual blackmail, and they would have the
children who were basically the Concorra Boys Home became a
child brothel at a certain level, right, and these children
were being experimented on to create submissive boy soldiers, which
is very strange, but it was legitimately happening where they're

(27:39):
utilizing this. Yeah, there's clearly there was satanic ritual abuse
that was taking place as well. But but it gets
far deeper than that. And but Lord mount Batsen is
involved in other VIPs in the network, like James Molineux
who was an MP, and and and they enjoy like

(28:00):
the steady access and stream of of of supply of
these vulnerable children, right, and so you have not only
child abuse and sexual blackmail, but you have the of
course this sort of like state sponsored terrorism that's taking place,
which again is is very much perfectly in line with

(28:21):
the Gladiol playbook. And and uh and you also have
arms smuggling, gun running, state uh sponsored uh basically targeted
assassinations taking place as well. And and this is all
kind of like coalescing and and again this is sort
of the enterprise. I think it's how it functions, and

(28:41):
I witness it with like Mark Dutreaux. Right, it's just
a perfect example that I always use. But yeah, you
have child psychiatrists who are involved, uh and it gets
very strange. They have this elevator trick that they utilize, right,
and it's basically it was these young young children were

(29:02):
being conditioned and groomed as intelligence operatives used to compromise
prominent people. This is exactly what they would call the
elevator trick. Where a victim mentioned this technique which was
known for apparently they would allegedly perform at this particular
hotel that had the audio visual blackmail set up in

(29:24):
it that was nearby the Cancora Boys Home and the
UK Ministry of Defense were legitimately involved in creating this
human honeytrap. Operation, which is just fascinating to me. But
this is all later on been at the very least,
it's been exposed as reality. And you have even like

(29:45):
modern day, right, you have victims from Cancora who still
have yet to you know, receive any real just they
have yet to receive any justice of any kind, right,
which is just fascinating to witness. The same with the
same with like the psychopath machine, right, which is just unfortunate.
And in terms of of the what's the name of

(30:09):
that institution, Oakridge, the Oakridge Facility in Canada, which is
just fascinating how they were legitimately, you know, it's just
an offshoot of mk ulture in the Montreal experiments at
the time.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
But I think something was going on with with that
institution in Utah that these kids were getting sent to from.
Remember like doctor Phil sent the cash me outside girl there.
It's like a re education center for misbehaving children.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
But I did not know this, dude.

Speaker 5 (30:39):
It's it's wild. There's usually a documentary on Netflix about it.
I forget what I think it's called the program and
the it's the idea. You've probably heard of this before,
where you have a problematic child and you call this
like rehabilitation center.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
It's similar. It's got vibes to like a military school.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
Let's say, and they come in the middle of the
night in a van and they bum rush your child
while they're sleeping, and they rip them out of the house.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
And and what they do then is they they whisk
them away into this van. They bring them to this school,
the doors locked behind them. And the very first thing
that happens is you go through sort of a demoralization process,
much like jail, and I imagine the prison in general.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
They strip you naked.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
They they get check you for contraband to make sure
there's nothing hiding up your ass. They then put you
in a room that is incredibly well lit, so it's
it's like impossible to sleep, so they sleep.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
To prive you, they make you package health products.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
Oh yeah, that's a.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Weird time for a sponsorship. But unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
That was inappropriate. Ban that he would never he has
a man and he is a man, But I don't
think he's doing that.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
They go ahead.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
I was just gonna say, they they break you.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
The entire process is designed to break you, right, It's
it's trauma, it's sleep deprivation. You're not allowed to bond
with any of the kids there. You get demerits for
making eye contact, demerits for u smiling and laughing, demerits
for looking outside. One of the one of the people
UH said that when they were a child and they

(32:22):
were in this program, they weren't allowed to look at
the trees out the window. So everything is is demoralization
and obedience. And the ones who get out the other side,
they're the ones who didn't break, right. They There was
even a girl in there who said, yeah, when my
time during there, I was so rebellious that the instructors,

(32:44):
the teachers, it's really not a great word for them, uh,
were would take pleasure and bets and such, and who
is going to be the one who breaks such and
such whatever her name is, you know, because she wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
She wouldn't, she wouldn't bend the knee.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
And I think that there's even this other layer where
the people who would bend the knee, who would break
there's a selection process there, so those kids would be
great for it.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Right.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
This is very similar to like the Gates program, where
they're trying to find who is a good candidate for
this program. So if they can traumatize you, if they
can cause you to dissociate, which is that's what I'm
getting at here. It's like the name of the game
is dissociate everything about the place, or disassociate everything about
the place is so uncomfortable that the only way to
survive and the only way to go home because by

(33:33):
the way those demerits when they deduct points from you,
the point system is predicated on reach a certain point
threshold and will allow you to go home. So the
only way you get to go home is based upon
your level of obedience, your willingness to be broken, which
I imagine the only way you're going to.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Go through that is by dissociating.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, no, I think that, you know, that is definitely
the playbook as far as strategically essentially fracturing the mind
right and and that into altars right. And that's that's
one hundred percent what the the strategy was in terms
of the trauma based mind control involved in in not

(34:19):
only the Detroit network, but in all of these overlapping networks.
I'm realizing now that the Finders essentially was directly involved
with Franklin, which overlaps and ties uh like seamlessly into
the Atlanta Child Murders Network, which you can draw a

(34:39):
direct line into the Dean Choral Murders in Houston, and
that all connects to.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
This.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Is so John David Norman and the Odyssey Network, right
and and.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Basically the Odyssey. Now familiar with that?

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Oh my gosh, Well hold on wait a second, because
number one, you should be making Schizo maps like seven.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
I think if you made Schizo maps it would really crush.

Speaker 5 (35:02):
If you created an entire web about all these things connected,
that'd be fantastic. But we're at the thirty seven minute mark.
I want to hear about this because I'm not familiar
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(36:01):
disgusting I said, I wasn't going to call them disgusting
poors anymore. Sorry, we'll edit it out the word try.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
Goodbye to people, uh wonderful people. All right, So please
what you said somebody and the Odyssey program, can you
explain that.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
A little bit? Yeah? Yeah, So the the Odyssey Foundation
was ran by this legitimate pedophile that was convicted and
and uh you know, and uh spent time in prison
for for legitimately running a pedophile operation. And while he
was in prison, it's very interesting because it turns out
that basically he is uh, he kind of like rebrands

(36:40):
the Odyssey Foundation into what became known as the Delta Project.
But what I think is most interesting is that all
of this seems too like this all goes far beyond
and I think back further than even the eighteenth century
health fire clubs obviously, like as far as like that
these sort of ritualistic you know, sex abuse parties that

(37:05):
were being utilized for legitimate purposes of of kind of
exploiting and leveraging this these acts against individuals, uh for
for you know, they're essentially it's it was blackmail at
the time, it was just not referred to in that way.
But but it dates all the way to like these
eighteenth century race clubs and and uh that were adopting

(37:29):
these overly satanic rituals and this apparent like worship of
of these the Greek and Roman forms of Venus and Bacchus, right,
And so I found that to be very interesting because
that all plays into like these nineteenth century London brothels
which were held with with the they utilized all these

(37:53):
Venus themed child origies and uh.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
And afrodity Okay, yeah, Aphrodite would be the version of
that associated with beauty and desire, right, So not really
a way around that. If you're incorporating children into an
aphrodite themed operation, you're incorporating them into a beauty and
desire based operation, right.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
And this is for aristocratic clientele at the time, right,
And so this is like to me, it's kind of
like staging the the really just what seems to be
kind of the structure of how these networks function. You know,
you can witness it all the way back to eighteenth century, like,
you know, it's fascinating that just.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
All the way back to the Canaanites and what they
were doing, right, So, I mean it's historically speaking. We've
had people on the show refer to it as a
six thousand year old death, call it whatever you want.
There's nothing new under the sun. This child sacrifice element
in conjunction with you know, sexual deviance, and there's an

(38:57):
element that isn't talked about as much. You know, right
now the Epstein thing is really gripping everybody. It's back
in full swing and we're talking about the political blackmail
aspect of it. But if you take into consideration what
I just said, there's nothing new under the sun, and
you believe that to be true, well, if you look
back into antiquity. When they were doing these things with children,

(39:18):
they were also doing ritual sex magic. So it's not
just this element of blackmail. It's not just this element
of traumatizing and compromising. There is also a spiritual element.
A lot of people don't like looking at that because
it's less tangible. Right, we can get flight logs, we can,
you know, petition for lists to be released. We can

(39:39):
look at names and times and locations. It's much harder
to grasp onto the spiritual aspect of it. But much
in the way that that has always been the case,
these things never seem to separate. I believe it's still
exactly what's happening right now, which is why you always
find this satanic element.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And I just I found it
very interesting because it all seems to involve the Minoan
myth of the minotaur and things of that nature, which
it's all like ancient Babylon, you know.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
The minatar being.

Speaker 5 (40:14):
Our idea is that a lot of these entities, these
creatures were offshoots of real entities. These aren't just like
euphemisms or metaphors or anything like that. This would be
the byproduct of a fallen angel. The Cherubim were said
to have the face of a man, the face of
an eagle, the face of a bull, and the face
of a lion. If that was true, and if these

(40:37):
things ever did create or pro create in any way
you could speculate as to how that would happen. Then
you might expect some of their offspring to have the
face of a bull or the face of a lion.
And then you start to look at all these creatures,
chimerit creatures, especially from Greek mythology, and you find maybe
there's a home for them.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
So that minotaur.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Aspect, that is the molek aspect, right, sacrificing your children,
specifically your children to this bull faced deity.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Right, Yeah, that's to me, man. I think the only
reason that I brought up the eighteenth century health fire
clubs and the rate clubs of the nineteenth century as
well is mainly because I feel like it provides us
with the modern template, you know what I mean. Like,
I feel like this was almost like they were sort
of pivoting into the modern context and it was evolving

(41:28):
into this sort of not necessarily neo pagan but you know,
it's like basically, I do believe that we're surrounded by
these neo pagan belief systems that are very much, you know,
I think, far more pronounced than people realize because it's
very much kind of hidden under the surface. You have
to you have to be aware first, and then you

(41:49):
have to to essentially, you know, take the time and
effort to pursue any real connections because they're not anywhere
publicly available for the most part and being acknowledged at
any real level. And that's what remember when I came
on to discuss the Delphi murders, Like, who the fuck
knows about that strange Vinallent Vinlander Odinist group in Indiana, Right,

(42:12):
it's just like that that are completely infiltrated in the
prison system. But if you if you look up this
John David Norman, right, you get like a sort of
you know, I always say the Jimmy Saville effect because
it's just like, you know for a fact, that dude's
guilty kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
You know, And yeah, that physiognomy, that's exactly what it is.
But you think you could pill up a picture of
this guy like.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Jimmy John David Norman, Yeah, yeah, he's uh.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
Because Jimmy Seville has the same thing where he just
there was ever a guy that looked like a Batman villain,
you know, Jimmy Seville is is up there. Course, given
the circles that he runs with and being knighted and
all that really uh fantastic stuff, he's like just a guy.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
That's the guy, buddy.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, it's just like guilty, guilty.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, it's so crazy because he's he's directly affiliated with
John Wayne Gacy as I mentioned, right, and and that
to me, it's like I'm beginning to question the concept
of serial killers in general, very much the same as
the what what has been kind of presented to the

(43:27):
public for so for far too long, which is.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
Questioning that Austin in the context of them being a
fall man for all of these children that are just
getting trafficked.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yes, before the show, Austin was like, He's like, I
think I've looked too deep into the abyss. I can't
look out. And now he says that that's that's a
crazy Uh. I'd like to hear more.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
But it's like, legitimately, I compared it to the concept
of of essentially how snuff films have been presented to
the public as an been myth for so fucking long.
It's you know, it's just like frustrating at a certain point.
But but I think it's a manufacturing misconception, man like
honestly at this point. But I'm not saying I'm not

(44:11):
denying the fact that there haven't been psychopaths who have
committed multiple murders, obviously, but but I think the this
sort of like larger than life representation of of it's
almost like supernatural and certain way, yes, I viewed the
Zodiac now there are multiple murderers involved with that, and
I think, uh, the Zodiac was even considered at one

(44:34):
point to be a William Mintzer who was Bill Mintzer.
They called him manson two. Okay, he was a hit
man and he ran security for for Larry Flint, right
who you know the what was his pornographic uh company

(44:57):
that he ran for so long? H right, yeah, Larry
Flint ran Hustler, I believe, and it was basically where
he was uh yeah, yeah, yeah, And so he was
a pornographic uh you know, a producer, and he was
running a hustler magazine as well. But but he was
shot in Atlanta, which I thought was kind of interesting

(45:19):
because because he directly connects to Wayne Williams in the
Atlanta child murders network. Right, that was being Uh, I'm
telling you right now, I'm this is the problem, dude.
Like I definitely caught a glimpse into something I was unexpected,
you know, I did not expect to discover. And and
Larry Flint he had an individual who was providing him
with security, uh, basically advice allegedly was on his security detail.

(45:44):
And uh, and William Minzer was one of these guys.
And and so William Minzer known as Manson too affiliated
with the local Processed Church Satanic Chapter right, which they're
essentially the Processed Church of the Final Judgment. Are this
occult network basically that that I believe are kind of

(46:05):
like they've been described as the strong arm of the
Church of Scientology, which I don't know how legitimate that is,
although I do believe that the Church of Scientology and
the process and on nine A, the Order of Nine Angles,
all of these groups I believe are intelligence fronts uh.
And in order to run psychological operations and and also

(46:26):
to help reinforce this sort of new age esulteric ideological
system of control.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
You right, to consistently exploit the God whole and uh
and provide individuals with these false kind of mythological constructs.
You know. It's like there's very much a I think,
a way to again further entrench the inverted moral landscape,
provide people with these false frameworks in terms of their

(46:52):
ethical values. And that's what I see playing out so
very often, right is like, you know, these newly embraced
moral standards, there obviously an attempt at eradicating any real
you know, just sort of like moral fabric that has
ever been kind of very well established in a way
that I believe to be clearly superior in my mind

(47:16):
as far as just like the age old concept of
kind of the Christian values, the conservative values that we
once kind of aspired to pursue and embrace and exercise
it as often as we possibly could. But still, before
I get too off track, the whole point was that
William Menster was considered to potentially have been the Zodiac Killer.

(47:39):
At one point, he was running security detail for Larry Flint.
Later on, he ends up becoming a hitman who murdered
Roy Raiden in the Cotton Club murders, and Roy Rayden
was a producer as well. He was a Hollywood producer
who was basically he had an upstate New York mansion
as well. That and his death was entirely ritualistic, his.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Murdering upstate New York mansion mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
And what they were doing there was was apparently running
human compromised black sexual blackmail operations and having parties that
were very similar to that of like the Pink ballets
that were being conducted within the Dutro network, which is
just like you know, at that point, they were just
running sexual compromised parties with at at these like local

(48:27):
castles uh in in uh yeah, I swhere, it's crazy,
and like members of the of NATO, like Michael Akino, right,
was legitimately attending some of these parties when he would
go on these diplomatic missions, and they were old Nazi
Castle's brother. So the occult aspect of kind of the

(48:48):
you know, the as far as just at the very least,
the kind of very pronounced Helena Blovatsky thread throughout the
you know, belief system of the s S at that time,
they practiced you know, what was it, the Theosophical Society.
They were very much you know it was definitely theosophy

(49:08):
was a huge aspect, but it wasn't only that. It
had its own kind of like flare to it clearly,
you know. But anyway, the point.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Ask you some I'm sorry to derail you, but.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
You know, on the topic of how constantly these occult
practices permeate all of these operations.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
What do you make of it?

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Do you think that this is an elaborate ruse to
play off of the pre existing ideologies of a group
of people. A lot of people will sort of I
don't want to say dismiss it because that sounds reductive.
I mean, there could be a rich body of It's
not what I believe, but I can get behind the
idea that there's a rich body of control mechanism behind

(49:52):
creating this occult scaffolding or building your thing on this
occult scaffolding, because then the people that you're going to influence,
given depended upon their belief system, might galvanize to it,
you know, more effectively than they would otherwise. Or do
you think that there is a real spiritual component to this?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
I think people, Yeah, yeah, that is a great question,
because it's something that I'm trying to decide for myself
on a daily basis. Honestly, it's hard. It's hard to
interpret exactly. I do believe that obviously you have members
of certain leadership factions that are clearly exploiting the lower
level initiates things of that nature. But I also do

(50:30):
believe that there's fundamental belief and and active practicing of
black magic rituals that they believe legitimately has an effect
on reality itself, and you know, claiming that not only
does it require you know, this is another reason why
they utilized German shepherds, I believe because they essentially, it

(50:51):
was described to me as if they had they were
the most intelligent of the species of animal of a dog,
so therefore it was the closest you could come to
sacrificing a human being. So essentially that was the reason
why they they the occult like for example, Hitler possessing

(51:13):
so many German shepherds, Why why was the asss providing
as far as like it was a loyalty test a puppy,
a German shepherd puppy to to write the elite members
and uh, and then they would have to they would
raise the puppy and then they would be forced to
write murder the dog right as as it's a and
and that in itself is like a loyalty test the regime.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
And you gotta you gotta watch the mother horse eye. Shit.
I'm so sorry, because it's every it's it's consistently coming
up like would In one of the early parts of
the story, they're talking about these uh it's like a
flesh portal that they're keeping open, but it requires sacrifice,
some sort of human sacrifice, and below it they keep

(51:55):
a humpback whales and they like the scientist that's kind
of like you're hearing this story from his part of
the narration, You're like, why the whales it seems cumbersome,
seems like they're like it's hard to get Yeah, it's
because it's a pain of he hass to keep them there,
and and why are they feeding them to this thing
when they could just feed them a bunch of small fish?
And it's like, well, the intelligence factor, there's an interesting

(52:16):
it is a level of emotional intelligence that goes with it.
And it's like this motherfucker whoever wrote that is he
knows a little too much and that's probably why he
doesn't say who he is.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Exactly, dude.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
I've seen that anytime, horse lady whatever. It's called nine hours,
so it's called mister hands.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Everybody got.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Do that.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
I but yeah, I think that there is legitimate in
terms of there is devout belief in black magic, blood rituals,
no doubt in my mind. And and uh, and that's
kind of perfectly. But also, you know what, it's very
interesting because there are cases where obviously they utilize the

(53:02):
ritualistic nature of a crime scene, that it could have
been staged to misdirect the public, to misdirect investigators in
order to Yeah, and that does happen. I believe that
could have taken place at a certain level in the
Atlanta child murders because but I'll tell you, I'll describe
a crime scene where they nailed a Biblical scripture to

(53:23):
the walls. It's so strange, and the bodies themselves were
like basically, oh my god. There's a there's a theory
that because HIV essentially was leaked from doctor Mary's monkey lab,
right the covert mouse lab laboratory or whatever weapons laboratory,
that they were essentially running experiments at the time. And

(53:47):
it's very strange because Dave mcgallan himself even put this
in his chapter on the Atlantic case in Program to Kill.
He put this potential connection to basically these children being
utilized as as like test subjects, right for and also
because some of the perpetrators, the pedophile perpetrators within the network,

(54:10):
we're all dying of AIDS. Very very it's very strange
that that began to take place as well.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
That's colled. So o, man, what is that called. It's
called the poison the poison wine test or something like.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
That, right. McGowan basically suggests that. So he's saying that
the CDC is its hub is located in Atlanta. This
is nineteen seventy nine to eighty one with the Atlanta
child murders is taking place the exact same time the
HIV you know, arrives on the scene and is introduced
to the public. And so he's suggesting that some of

(54:44):
these children and child victims could have been deliberately injected
with HIV in order to track the sexual transmission and
the evolution of the disease, while simultaneously introducing the virus
to the general public intentionally from a strategic leak at
a covert domestic biological weapons laboratory.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
That's fucking sinister.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Track it does, it does, and go ahead.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
I was just like I had mentioned, the only reason
I wanted to the very least finish the what I
was going to say about about William Menzer right manson two,
because I did think it's fascinating like he inevitably you
know murders, this Roy Raydon and the Cotton Club murders
and and this individual. I think this is another window

(55:30):
into the enterprise, how it functions, how they facilitate the
cover ups, how individuals are targeted for assassination if they
essentially become overexposed to a certain extent or become too
overconfident in the framework of their role in in the enterprise.
I think that also takes place very often. That was
another thing with the a lot of the child victims

(55:53):
in the Atlantic case. They were basically you had older
children procuring younger children for the network, and then you
had you know, child victims and then child procurers who
were also children who were helping with the drug distribution
aspect of the enterprise, and so that was legitimately being uh,
you know, facilitated at the time, and a lot of
these like children were basically and they they called it,

(56:17):
you know, they were essentially you know, they were they
became child prostitutes, is what they did. But there these
are young black kids who are like acting like, uh,
what do they call it when when they're just basically
I forget the I forget the term that they used,

(56:38):
but they're the hustling damn it. I couldn't remember. I
couldn't basically. They That's so now if you think like, hey, yeah,
I was hustling when I was a kid, that means
you're slinging boy ass basically in Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
And in that case, which which really was fascinating to me,
because you had these you had kids who would wind
up becoming child victims in that in you know that
or spree who were claiming that they're they're getting picked
up at this kind of and taken to this local
homosexual hangout, you know, and and uh and yeah, and
it was smeared with They had a brown substance they

(57:12):
were smearing on their on their faces when they were
entering the car. It's very strange. Yeah, I know. And
and by the way, with it with I found out
recently within U as far as David Ferry and you
know who ran the Civil Air Patrol and and was
hypnotizing Lee Harvey Oswald when he was a member of
the Louisiana cap UH when he was a young kid, right,

(57:35):
And I think, so he's hypnotizing him and then raping him, right,
And so this is another reason why I think there
were members of the Civil Air Air Patrol. There were
just cadets, right, like Lee Harvey Oswald, who met Barry
Seal personally, who was also a member of the Civil
Air Patrol, which I thought was so crazy. And he
was Barry Seal, right, who who was you know, running

(57:56):
drugs for Pablo Escobar and and the Meta Drug Operation
and and everything American made, right Tom Cruise, And they
act as if he was just kind of like smuggling
cigars and he made a mistake, and clearly then he's
all of a sudden introduced to the to the FEDS,
and the CIA is like, hey, we got a job
for you, right, And it's like so fucking just ridiculous

(58:18):
in terms of always funny too.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
Because then eventually, given enough time, a movie is made
about you know, the event they did. Yeah, but like
you know, a little bit of obfuscating, oh, exactly, you know,
and focusing on one thing and not the other.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
Right, because it wasn't cigars at all. He was he
was caught with like thousands of blasting caps and like
legitimate explosives. Dude, he was running, you know, you know,
essentially you had like this debt chord right, like lines
of debt chord that he was. He was, you know,
detonation cord that he had as well, but it was
so much more than that because he was running I

(58:52):
think he was running covert operations at a young age.
Even at sixteen seventeen years old, he was already he
already had his wings. He was already flying like a
legitimate amount at that time. They called him an expert
pilot at a very young age. And it's very strange.
But anyway, he meets Lee Harvey Oswald as a child
in the Civil Air Patrol, which is just fascinating, and

(59:13):
he meets David Ferry, who he claims at that point
he has something odom was a childhood friend that he introduced.
He tried to He said, you want to make a
thousand dollars a week or whatever at that time with me, like,
then come with me to this airstrip, this private airstrip,
and this kid that went with Barry Seal says that

(59:34):
he sees this individual sitting in front of all the cadets,
right that's basically in all black and has like a beret,
and they describe he describes how he laughed at the
guy's outward appearance because his eyebrows were so ridiculous and
it was David Ferry, right, if you look at a
picture of that dude. And so he said that when

(59:57):
he laughed, Barry got upset at him for laughing. Right,
hey man, watch your tone around David Ferry type of thing,
and and was very upset and basically he never brought
him back, but he did offer, like, if you want
to start working with us, we can fly in drugs
and weapons basically, and he was he was running covert
missions in Vietnam at that age, which are in laos

(01:00:21):
and these strange areas at the time where they're they're
essentially kind of like it was the really like the
the Golden Triangle right to it was Iran Contra, but
before I ran Contra, and that's what people need to understand.
And so, but among the members of the Civil Air
Patrol was also an individual who apparently was a high

(01:00:43):
ranking member of Now this is crazy because allegedly Marion
David Petty, who was the founder of the Finder's Cult right,
his son, was also in the Civil Air Patrol and
he later works for a CIA cutout known as Air
America UH, which was owned and operated by Wexner and Epstein. Wow, yes,

(01:01:06):
So why are the Finders utilizing the same CIA cut
out right UH airline that that Epstein would later utilize
when in this in a very similar context. And so
for me, I think that there's no distinction at this point.
And I think that maybe, uh, you know, if if
people always like to to question how legitimate Ted Gunderson is,

(01:01:30):
and I think it's a it's a real question to ask.
I'm not entirely certain how much you can trust him,
but I will say that I've discovered so much of
of what he's provided, as far as the evidence and
and investigative threads. You know, it's it's been so worthwhile
and valuable to to uh, you know, my effort of
peeling back the veil that yeah, until I find a

(01:01:53):
direct reason to call him this sort of like limited
hangout that's attempting to misdirect us and in many ways,
and I will continue to appreciate what he has to
offer and what he believed the Finders was. This is
the craziest he as far as just description, because he
essentially says that the Finders are a CI front that

(01:02:15):
he claims was established in the nineteen sixties and the
members are specially trained government kidnappers with top clearance and
protection in their assigned task of stealing children, torturing and
sexually abusing them, sometimes involving them in satanic orgies, bloody rituals,
and murder of other children with the slaughter of animals.
That was another thing that Paul Bonassi right, who's a

(01:02:37):
child victim member of the Franklin Network who helped later
on procure other children. And he was also involved in
the Midnight Tour of the White House during the Confessions
of a DC Madam case and the Henry Vincent called
it was basically a male prostitution ring. He was running

(01:03:00):
it on behalf of an intelligence operative by the name
of Craig Spence, and basically he had been kind of
like seduced into becoming a part of the enterprise and
then couldn't get himself removed. It was very unfortunate for him,
Henry VENs him, but because I honestly do think he
was just he was just a homosexual who was closeted
at the time and was trying to find ways to

(01:03:23):
right to engage. Yeah, exactly, and and then basically started
making he fell into all of this because of just
gay dudes he was meeting on the rag, you know
what I mean. It was just like it was very strange.
But but anyway, so then Henry Vence, it truly is
because you know what you can you discover because Paul

(01:03:45):
Banassi's getting these other child victims are being given these
midnight tours at the White House under George Bush Senior, right,
which is just fascinating. And uh and he's directly tied
in with Lawrence E. King right, who's running the Franklin
Credit Union in Omaha, Nebraska and obviously was now Paul
Bnasi claims he saw him at off Food Air Force

(01:04:07):
Base with Michael Achino and they were conducting a transaction.
So that to me, you know, is very important because
Michael Lochino is obviously convicted pedophile. In my mind, he
was definitely a part of the abuse network that was
happening at the Presidio in San Francisco, and then the
West Point scandal that happened around the same time. But

(01:04:30):
still the fact of the matter is, like the Off
Foot is one of the locations where they claim that
operation or Project Monarch was being ran through, right, which
Michael Achino has been kind of like identified as one
of the key culprits and operators who was in charge
of running you know, the basically Project Monarch, right, this

(01:04:54):
trauma based sexual mind control type of situation. And that
to me is fascinating because obviously Johnny Gosh, right, you know,
the abduction of Johnny Gosh Who's who's the newspaper boy?
And and basically there was a there was a paper
boy fetish at the time, and and apparently that that
all took place where allegedly a key perpetrator ordered these

(01:05:18):
paper boys through Michael Akino. Now this is all through
like Paul Banassi and various child victims who have made
statements about this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Wait, there's a paper boy you mean like culturally a
paper boy fetish or.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Like an individual's perpetrator within the network who's a pedophile
attempting to pursue his sexual proclivities and whatever he desires.
He has specifically has a paper boy fetish, and so
he's ordering paper boys at the time to sexually abuse
and potentially murder on a farm that was located nearby.
And now this is all fascinating to me because the

(01:05:52):
individual's Paul Banazi names is potential perpetrators who abducted Johnny Gosh,
and he's he claims he himself chloroformed Johnny in the van, right,
which he was. Basically, Paul Binassi claims they lured Johnny
to the van and then individual perpetrators jumped out of
the van chlora formed and put him in the van,
took him to a farm by, you know, after he's

(01:06:15):
you know, placed in rope and things of that nature,
and and then yeah, basically it's just like it's interesting
because he claims that potentially the individuals who who were
the abductors of Johnny Gosh, one of them, well two
of them, he claims, were involved with the Chicago mob, right,

(01:06:36):
and they he named John Wayne Gacy and Phil Pasky,
which to me is absolutely crazy that they were named
as potential abductors of Johnny Gosh, and uh, but you know,
not at all surprising really because you know, if if
you consider the idea that these thirty three children are
being found, you know, buried on John Wayne Gacy's property,

(01:07:00):
believe it was. And it's just like to me, he's
clearly an abductor, like he is a child abductor, kidnapping
children within the framework of the network. He is a
low hanging fruit in my mind. And and uh, the
same as Mark de Treux, really, who's who studied how
to create these underground prison bunkers that with these like

(01:07:21):
airflow ducts that would provide, you know, basically a way
for them to you know, circumvent any real type of
even if like drug like even if dogs were provided
for the raid, they wouldn't be able to sniff out
right the children in the basement because of this airflow
duct that was especially created. It's a very strange story.

(01:07:45):
But anyway, I think what is the most interesting about
all of this is that it so very clearly overlaps
and with with John David Norman. And so when you
consider this individual who there are a lot of different
indications that are saying that basically perpetrators of the Franklin
scandal were Delta Project clients, and people need to realize

(01:08:08):
that the Delta Project is the Odyssey Foundation, which is
just what John David Norman was calling his pedophile operation,
which is just a window into the underground pedophile It's
basically the pedophile underworld essentially. And what they're claiming is
that you have like man basically Paul Banassi mentions that

(01:08:32):
he was he was brought into the child prostitution ring
that kept these pink collection of file cards listing customers
and the kinds of boys they liked. And so this
is very interesting because it's what was discovered at Dean
Coral's residence whenever he was also you know, the the
Houston murders of all those those children, and he was

(01:08:52):
utilizing victims in that network to procure other victims. And
really real quickly though.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
It's just because this feels like one of those charts
that like everything is connected. Do you think that these
people are actually connected or is this stuff planted there?
Like are you on a wild rabbit chase?

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
I honestly think that this is a legitimate window into
the pedophile underworld and we're unfortunately we're witnessing, you know
how the enterprise functions to a real extent. And I
think that in terms of like we had mentioned, for example,

(01:09:32):
this is what I think is very interesting about all this,
Like you have all these blackmail files that are discovered
at John Wayne Gacy's property, right, And so that I
think is another thing that's very important to mention is
that they were basically you had this household inventory, right,
and this all was put forward by court documents that

(01:09:53):
show that Gaycy had a whole set of blackmail files
for sports figures, politicians, celebrities. And also he's tied into
this j c's all right, with another serial killer by
the name of Ed Kemper, who said the j c's
JA y c e s. It's a very strange connection.

(01:10:17):
But basically this is what they call the United States
Junior Chamber, and it's just this national civic group known
as the j c's and essentially Ed Kemper belongs to
this organization. But John Wayne Gacy was actually named okay
as the outstanding Vice president of the Waterloo jay CS

(01:10:40):
in nineteen sixty seven, and you have other members of
this network. This is all apparently to sort of like
you know, discover young people who have political capital that
might have, you know, some real prominent role to play
in the future. It's to sort of like place them
on the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Path to a Right now, you've got Bill Clinton, Bill Gates,
Al Gore, Reagan.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Holy shit, it's fascinating.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
You know what it feels like, top if you because
I understand the question of being like because it almost
seems too good to be true.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Right, It's like all of your favorite characters all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Right here.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
This is the same thing that we discovered when it
comes to like, you know, Jack Parsons and l Ron
Hubbard and Werner von Braun and then uh, what's Homeboy's name? Uh,
that that we've been talking about. We did a couple
deep dives on them. Pooh Horridge, poor Horridge, right and
and and then you look at all the connections there
between the end of World War Two and the beginning

(01:11:39):
of this you know, MK Ultra program and all of
that ship. It's like all these previously separate things they're
all tied together. Especially during the same couple of decades,
these guys all played ball together.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
It's like the exact same ship.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
And uh and as far as the what happened is
basically when John David Norman gets arrested, convicted, and placed
in a prison for running a pedophile operation known as
the Odyssey Network. Basically he's imprisoned with another individual by
the name of Phil Pasky. Right. And this is crazy

(01:12:18):
because this is when basically Phil Pasky gets out of
prison and begins to run this sort of rebranded Uh.
They honestly, all they did was rebrand the network. It's
the very same network, they just called it something different.
It became the Delta Project after the conviction of John
David Norman, and it's the exact same underground pedophile operation.

(01:12:41):
But it began it began being advertised in this child
pornography publication called Hermes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
And if you consider the idea that yeah, I know, and.

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
Wait, child pornography publication.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Mess search this?

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
How do you even search this computer?

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
But but a publication meaning a magazine.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Yeah, yeah, so they would promote that Padika is another
one that that's very disgusting, and and there their pedophile
publications that promote these sort of like sadistic sexual proclivities
to these individual pedophiles throughout this a networking and honestly,
it's it's all done privately, you know, obviously they're privately

(01:13:24):
distributing this among themselves and attempting to keep it all
like sort of hermes. Was was being published and circulated
by all these associates of John David Norman, and allegedly
this was financed by this individual by the name of
Francis Sheldon. Who Francis Sheldon was was an old money

(01:13:46):
millionaire who who who essentially was was he was caught
up in the scandal of the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
UH.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Basically it was North Fox Island, right, and North Fox
Island is very interesting because it essentially it ties in uh,
the Oakland County child killers case, Okay, and and that's
it's very upsetting because basically, yeah, yeah, it when you
find out who Francis Sheldon is and how he was

(01:14:18):
helping finance this pedophile publication, it begins to make a
lot more sense because the Oakland County child killer case
draws in the paperboy Fetish and Johnny Gosh and all
these other I believe, forget the name of Brian Wetterling
was one of the others who was very much a
key child victim. I believe some of the parents are involved. Unfortunately,

(01:14:38):
the same in Deutrow right where where you have this
sort of you know, there's this strange factor that plays
into it where the children are groomed by their own
family members, like effectively, not usually it's a father, or
it's or it's a grandparent, which I found very interesting,

(01:14:59):
but that that is effectively what I consistently view as
as apparently they have these kind of like that. It's
it's almost like passing down this this sort of sadistic
abuse network.

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
But there's there's an element that I don't know how
often it comes across your table, given you know, you're
you're much more of the information driven UH investigator type,
but UH in the sort of supernatural circles where people
are sharing their testimonies and such individuals who have had
this happen, you know, they're commonly known as sr UH survivors.

(01:15:33):
But even that I think has this this uh sterilized
nuts and bolts kind of a you know, imagery to it,
where these people when they tell their stories, it's it's
much more supernatural than I think we we give credit to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
And a lot of these people are telling you it's
because of.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
Bloodlines and associations with these groups that are or in
one discussion, we're talking about espionage and blackmail and and
things like that, but in their context they're talking about uh,
spirituality and and genetics. Uh, and so that comes up

(01:16:17):
quite a bit when it's like, yeah, my grandfather is
the person who coached me into this, and my family
is believed to be of x y Z bloodline or
it has been a longstanding member of a spiritual organization
and you you name the spiritual organization what have you.
But there's like a genetics like a blood and a

(01:16:38):
spirituality component to it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
What is that called?

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
H not not lineage, It's called Jesus iniquity, inquity, a
generational iniquity. Where if this has happened to you, I
mean we we've interviewed someone like Fringe, we should have
her back on. Yeah, and at the very end, or
maybe it was off the record, Uh, she told us
about her father and her father is like involved with

(01:17:03):
these things and then she goes on to have a
life full of abduction experiences and things like this experience.

Speaker 5 (01:17:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
And it's the idea in the supernatural realm or the
people who believe in this kind of stuff, is that
there are legal rights, and the supernatural realm is more
legalistic even than this Jewish realm. So they if you
have signed a contract, yeah, for your soul or the
the you know, the the souls of your children. I mean,
I think honestly you can bring it back to the Jews,

(01:17:32):
like when you read the Bible, what they say is
after they ask for Jesus's death, Herod tells them no,
and they beg for it, and he says he's innocent.
He says, well, put the put that curse. He told
them that they'll be curses. They put that curse on
us and our children. Put the blood, that blood curse
on us and our generations. He's like fine, and he
washes his hands of it, and it's like there's a
blood curse there. It's a generational iniquity that's carried on

(01:17:56):
for a long time. And that's why you'll see schizophrenia
and things like that. Rampantt but that community.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
At all kinds of shit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Yeah, oh yeah. I mean, if you want to talk
about like supernatural occurrences happening, it's in Israel is like
that is a Hotspit's probably why we want to be
there so badly. We like these esoteric places, So did Hitler.
That's why he's you know, traveling to Tibet and all
that stuff. Oh yeah, but yeah, it's the idea of
generational iniquity. So a lot of these people, I mean,
there would be no way to know their family lineage

(01:18:25):
and what they did in private because none of this
stuff is documented. And then you start going back years
and years, it would be so convoluted.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
But oh yeah, man, well.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:18:34):
It's like, as he's telling this story from this perspective,
it sounds a lot like the stories we've heard from
the perspective of somebody who does not have information. They
just know what their family has been a part of
as far as some sort of witchcraft or you know,
sorcery or whatever. And just to bring it back to
that question that I asked you earlier, Austin, about this

(01:18:56):
supernatural element that keeps manifesting, whether or not it is
a facade or facade rather to like hijack the psychology
of the victims or the people that are involved in it,
or if it's an actual real element. I think the
answer is because it's supernatural. If it was real, the

(01:19:18):
evidence would be intangible, and therefore you're left with a
faith based decision right, And that faith based decision is
do you believe that this is real or do you
disregard it and say that it is something that hijacks
the psychology of man? And to make that decision, the

(01:19:39):
belief or disbelief decision, you have to look at the
implications and the implications. If it's simply to hijack the
psychology of man, then not believing in it means nothing, right,
But if it is real, then not believing it is
to compromise your soul effectively.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:20:01):
That's that's that's where people that's I think it's important
for people to understand that. It's like, if you don't
believe that this component is real and it isn't real,
well then you have gained and lost nothing and you're
at net zero.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
If this component is real and you don't believe it,
then by virtue of being real, it might be the
most important thing ever. And by virtue of not believing it,
there is compromise to your spirit, to the supernatural aspect
of your own self. And that is something that It's

(01:20:36):
like when people go atheists versus Christians, right, and it's like,
if atheists are real, then I mean if atheists are correct,
then nothing happens to the atheist. If Christians are correct,
then everything terrible happens to the to the atheists. So
if the atheist is correct, nothing happens to anybody. If
the Christians are correct, then you'd better fucking consider that,

(01:20:57):
because that means that there is some real serious implications
to disbelieving or behaving in a way that suggests it's
not real. So, I mean, I don't know, man, I
know that there's a lot of guys like you who
and I'm not trying to throw any shade at him,
but I feel Jose does the same thing. You guys
are looking at parapolitical information based stuff. But it is

(01:21:21):
an interesting thing from my point of view to watch
you guys constantly orbit this thing that refuses to stop
showing itself right, refuses to stop showing itself, And the
implications of not believing it versus actually believing it are,
when you lay it out the way that I just said,
pretty substantial. It's an interesting but we all do that

(01:21:41):
dance to some degree, and and you know, some people's
journey just looks different than other people's journey. But it's
fascinating to watch you just constantly because I could see
the toll it's taking on you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
Before the show even started.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
You were expressing this, like we said, staring into the
abyss and the abyss staring back at you. It's got
a corrosive nature to it, a corrosive nature to what it's.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
It's I've been exactly and and I am entirely in
agreement with you, man, like honestly, like that has been
my path. I've never felt closer to God in my life.
And that's legitimately because I got to a certain point where,
like I've been saying the serenity prayer as a mantra lately, right,

(01:22:23):
just as far as like God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to
change the things I can, and the wisdom to know
the difference, you know. And it's just like that specifically,
it's just because so much, you know, you want to
control the outcome, you know, it's it's just so it's
still very it's things that you have to separate yourself from.

(01:22:45):
It's something and we all struggle with, but it for
me personally, I'm a control freak, you know, I have, like, right,
I like to to definitely have just it it. I
like things a certain way and and so it's something
that I have to I have to get outside of
myself more often than I would like, honestly.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
And do you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
So in real life being how to do it?

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Let me tell you how to do it real quick.
Go did Jamaica say yes to everything?

Speaker 5 (01:23:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Go, oh my god, you do it?

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
I have sex with your wife if you do that, Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Joke.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Guys, I did it. I broke that in myself. That's
exactly how I did it. That sounds terrible saying, David,
go ahead, what did you say?

Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
In the physical, when you are control freak, that leads to,
you know, a lot of positivity, right because you can
structure your life, you can schedule it, and you can
get the desired outcome most of the time. But still
life has an unpredictable, untangible things that it will throw
at you that will throw a monkey wrench in your plans.
But in the spiritual, when you are a control freak, uh,

(01:23:45):
what that leads to is gnosticism. It leads to this
desperate understanding that you like you need to understand every
aspect about the realm that we inhabit, which is hilarious
because if you believe in the spiritual realm, then you
believe in that this earth and this realm was created
by a God, and when he did it, you weren't
fucking there. There are thousands of years ago. You didn't

(01:24:06):
see how the foundations were laid. You didn't see the plan.
You don't understand the plan. So in our very short
window of time, we're here for sixty seventy eighty years
and as men, and we think that we can try
to gain all this nosis, all this knowledge. I've gotten
to this place now where like I feel as though
I understand some aspect of when the Bible says lean

(01:24:27):
not on your own understanding, because it'll drive you fucking insane.
And also imagine, imagine believing that the spiritual realm is
real and that you can understand all these principles and
fundamental building blocks. And we've been here since nineteen ninety something,
you know what I mean, Like, it's fucking hilarious to
think that. So you know, I understand because I pursued

(01:24:48):
that for a long time. I wanted to know. I
wanted to know. It was only until recently where I
was like I don't need to know. There are certain
things that I get to be privy to and I
get to admire, you know, this creation and and all
the mysteries within it. But there is there's a real
you know, staring into the abyss and the abyss staring
back at you. We're not built for that ship. And

(01:25:11):
and if you look historically at the people who thought
they were what do you get? You get a Crowley,
you know, you get a sex magic uh, you geta
you get a fat Gary the Numbers guy, you know,
with with hang toenails that are yellow. That his entire
fan base is young black children. You know, it's like
you've seen I've seen his feet because he stormed the

(01:25:33):
stage with Joe Rogan and threw money at the crowd.
It was weird and in front of his toenails, but
which is probably why he then went on to find
Joe Rogan's a Strange father uh and got him on
a podcast so that Joe Rogan's a Strange father could
call Joe Rogan a fagot.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
It was embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
I saw though, It's so embarrassing, so embarrassing, but I
just wanted to throw that out there because what happens
is if you, if you ever do cross over into this,
if you if you do concretely put your feet down
and say, yes, the spiritual realm is real, Yes, God
is real. Well, then that tenacity that you have, which
is a beautiful tenacity and and and it's something to

(01:26:11):
be admired. I love having these conversations. Uh, but if
it's aimed at the spiritual, it can it becomes corrosive
to the spirit because you just need to you need to,
you need to know. And sometimes that that involves looking
into horrifying ship horrifying involves.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Involves like that's why these people practice these uh this magic.
They need to know. Now it's a like a low,
low time preference behavior. But uh, yes, I don't know
if you believe in God or not. Well, actually you
said that you did. Yeah, I think that. Uh A
good idea to continue to put in your head is
that he works in generations. This time time that we're

(01:26:52):
perceiving it doesn't really matter to what whatever he's doing,
because it's kind of like I don't know if you
if you're thinking about how these and to tease these
elohem like like God perceive time there at the beginning
and at the end of it all the time. So
this part that we're in now is just like a
weird blip and we can understand as much as we can,

(01:27:13):
but I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
I think you can.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
You could probably understand more than you're supposed to too,
but I think it fucks you up.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:27:22):
I'm invested in whenever I see a mind like yours, Austin,
you have this unbelievable ability for information. Recall, you also
have this unbelievable ability to connect these things. And and
I realize, like I have that but like ten percent
of what you have, and that's what's at least enabled
me to see some of these things come to where

(01:27:46):
I'm at. But then show the audience like, hey, yeah,
these things are real. You know, all you conspiracy theorists
out here, But the real thing that you need to
be focused on is is is Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (01:27:57):
But you have that to the nth degree. You could
be doing I would.

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
I would just love to see what a mind like
yours does as applied to uh, you know, these these
the other side of the veil, you know, within reason,
so that it doesn't go farar.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
I love that man, I honestly, I can't. I can't
thank you both enough just for you know, trying to
just I think is very important to It's not about
like controlling anyone else's path but at this right but
or nudging him and nudging them in the right direction.
I think that's that's not really the priority. But it

(01:28:34):
becomes just kind of a consequence, a consequential outcome of
the discussion. And I think that that is beautiful because
you know me personally, it was all of these sinister,
disturbing details that really drew back the veil from me
and made me kind of I had to re engage

(01:28:57):
and reflect on what I what I really believe to
be the case, what I thought. You know, I've always
I grew up, I grew up believing in God.

Speaker 4 (01:29:06):
I had.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
I had a fundamental background of it was very much
drenched in in organized religion and and uh, you know,
sort of this Southern Baptist version, and and and which
was very much I think a lot of this clearly
Christian Zionism, which which was affecting the kind of I
think the spiritual pursuit and the path that you should

(01:29:29):
be on. It was sort of clouding that direction and
that that happens so very often and in uh and
and uh, I just think that it's just kind of
like personally, I just feel like I had to First
of all, I kind of ran from what I knew
right to begin with. It was something that I was

(01:29:50):
just kind of like I think everyone tends to to
feel that sort of way and to some extent to
where you just you're you're desperate for, you know, and
the alternative experience, you know, to a certain to a
certain extent, and uh and I was living under this
sort of mindset where I was desperate to know what else,

(01:30:11):
what all was out there? Right and uh and and
and that got me into some very unfortunate and difficult
positions right that that uh also forced me to reflect
on the decisions I made and who I was becoming
and uh and and that's when I had to come
back to terms with what I believed in, you know,

(01:30:33):
and what my fundamental core values were. And I just
at this moment, seeing the darkness that exists in this world,
it's the yin and the yang for me, man like
I I pursue the light, I pursue. At this point,
I'm what I discovered was that I definitely believe in

(01:30:55):
in the spiritual journey, and I believe in God, and
I believe that there's this internal spark within us that
we all have to sort of Yes, we're all capable
of evil, but it's it's a matter of kind of
like how much can you reject your prior programming that's
essentially intended to cloud your vision and judgment and and
and draw you into the path of the inverted moral landscape,

(01:31:15):
and and that's the trap that's being laid so sophisticated
and so anyway, there's so much more I intended to
talk to you guys about. Man, this is fucking frustrating. Hey,
I do this all the time, where I come on,
I have like an actual vision of what I want
to discuss, and then I just I go a little skitzo.

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
But I mean we do that to everybody. Yeah, it's
all good, but it's still there's still like a question of.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
So you see clearly what is going on here, what's
like like the foundation that has been laid for I
guess this Epstein conversation, right, And it's all based on
the things that you're talking about, because there's a clear track,
there's a clear track record that that pretty much points
from this Epstein case all the way back to the
finest calls to these guys to do trot. It's it

(01:32:03):
seems like it's all connected, like you have just in
the last hour and a half basically just strung these
dots along. But now we're presented with this question of
why is this It's it's an idea that's being flirted with, constantly,
being brought to the forefront, and now we're playing this
WWE type game with it. Where I said on the

(01:32:24):
previous episode, the Epstein, not the files, but the Epstein log,
you know, the idea of the Epstein whatever he is,
was brought up to us kind of by Trump. He
was arrested by Trump. He was he killed himself under
under Donald Trump. And we've had Q going on and

(01:32:46):
on about this and Trump never really shied away from it.
Then we get to Trump Trump's part two where he
gives the files too to those people and they were
really just old bunk files. It was a whole media thing,
but there was again no there's no reason for it,
you know, other other than to make well, you made
these people look stupid. But that was a side effect.

(01:33:09):
That's just like, like, you know, part of it, like
we're going to tear these people down, but also we
want to bring this the meme back to the forefront.
And they did that, and then you have Elon Musk
saying that Trump is on the files. And then you
have Trump now doing this thing where he's playing this
game of it's not that important, we shouldn't release it,

(01:33:30):
the Republicans saying no, now he's saying we will it.
I don't know what to make of it, but I
know that we're supposed to ask for it now. I
think that's where it, right, That's where this conversation kind
of started, like we're supposed to ask for this, and
I don't know. It's like the contrarian in me wants
to say, well, don't ask for it if they want

(01:33:51):
you to ask for it. But then it's like, what
the fuck what are we doing here? Like we're never
really going to get to the bottom of this, But
what do you think this is? Why? Why? Now? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:34:02):
Maybe A better way to frame that is, given everything
that you've seen in all these patterns, it's the same ship, right.
I mean, you just painted a picture of so many
things that sound almost exactly the same having happening on
a fucking loop.

Speaker 4 (01:34:13):
Say here we are again, say the thing, say the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
It's almost like it's almost like, uh, I mean almost
like I'm not saying it is, but I'm saying that
when I look up, you know, at politics, especially at
the you know, not like the mid but like the
highest levels, specifically the highest levels, it looks like from
from here, from here, from where I'm sitting, it looks

(01:34:36):
a lot like uh, it looks like kind of like
a its like theater, theater.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Well, it's just it's just why the question is like,
because I'm gonna ask everybody that comes on, but why now?

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Yeah, I feel like from day one I was under
the impression. I was under no illusion that we're going
to get real transparency. I viewed it as, Okay, we
have the individuals compromised by the Epstein network, now in
charge of Epstein disclosure. That's going to work. Well, you know,
it's like it was clearly clearly in my mind. But

(01:35:12):
the strange it's like the to me, the strange aspect
to it all is how sloppy, it's it's being mishandled.
You know. It's just like and they used to I
just feel like the syops used to be a little
bit more impressive, you know, and at this point it's
it's almost like a clown show to a certain extent.

(01:35:33):
But it's I know that there is I know that
there's legitimate you know, there's this is all being orchestrated
to a certain extent, because I do believe it's political theater, right,
and one hundred percent in my mind, I view the
political puppets just performing their roles in more ways than one,
and just it's just to not have the sort of

(01:35:56):
the ability to predict the outcome when in terms of
this scandal specifically, they utilize it as a as you
mentioned with the Binders, right, the Epstein influencer Binders, this
was already this sort of political football being utilized and
tossed back and forth as a tool to you know,
manufacture and reinforce more support for his base, and as

(01:36:18):
if you're getting what you're voting for, right, isn't that
uh what every what everyone is struggling with this moment,
trying to justify the decision they made. And that's another
reason look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
How does that make any sense?

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
Like, because it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
I have a I have a narrative, a new narrative.
I'm not saying this is real, but I've discovered an
account on X one second.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
It's not sloppy either. It's not sloppy. That's the thing.
It's like, it's fun. It's easy to say it's sloppy.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
It's not okay, here here it is though.

Speaker 5 (01:36:48):
It's this idea I'm not even gonna tell you, guys,
because this is I have a little treasure trove of
information that I'm sifting through right now, and we'll get
to it in a future episode. But the narrative is
that at Trump thought for a long time, and this
is why he's been hinting at it and pushing at it,
but it's just not coming out that he could decouple
his own association with this entire event. But it turns

(01:37:11):
out that he's so intrinsically tied into the Epstein story
that he's come to the realization that he cannot do it.
And so it seems like somebody else is gonna pull
the trigger and sacrifice Trump and expose the whole thing.
But the reason Trump kicked the ball off even apparently
called for Epstein to be oft in his because it

(01:37:32):
happened on his watch, right to be killed in his
in his cell and then go through all this process.
Is he was going to try to allegedly I'm not
saying I believe this control the narrative, absolve him himself
from the story whatsoever, and release it, you know, through that,
so you know, thereby taking out his political opponents, and
all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
He was going to release it rock.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Rock for government buddy. You know, Matta Hitler got a
two hundred million dollar do OD contract right after.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
That, right, yes, he did.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
I mean, so we've had just recently, I saw a
little interaction where Elon was talking to Grok and he
does it occasionally, but he was asking it about the
Epstein file. Specifically, he was asking to bring up information
on who flew on the plane and it started to
pip up, up up. It's given you all the information.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
I'm just like Trump flew seven times but never technically
went to the island, although there's the stories of him
going to Epstein's properties and only hanging out with the
help guys. Right, we have to believe that he's a.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
Man of the people, a man of the people.

Speaker 5 (01:38:37):
He's just hanging out with the help I think even this,
when it does come, is going to be it's gonna
be theater. But man, if it goes this way, I'm like,
this could be a great you know, a great Look
there you go, Memphis, Egypt. That's what Elon said that
the next God will be coming out of Memphis, Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
This is what I'm saying. It's like if we're looking
at if we're just looking at the child sex part
of it, very gay. First off, don't do that. But
they were missing so much because like what I'm seeing
here is again like this, uh, what was that ritual
cold where he's got the blood on the ear? Blood?

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
Oh, the King Maker or the King Killer.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
It's like the king Maker rituals, a Jewish ritual where
they'll have during the ritual they put blood on your
right ear, blood on your right foot. And you know,
Donald Trump obviously after the whole thing had the blood
on the correct spot, shoe on, no shoes for no reason.

Speaker 3 (01:39:28):
Footage of the different angle right.

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
Yeah, and now everybody's and now everybody's asked, I saw
Jake shield shout out Jake Shields. He goes, uh, he goes,
Wait was this thing bullshit from the jump or something
I'm parading, you know, talking about the Trump assassination, and
I'm like, we said that day one.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
I'm glad we put that video back up here.

Speaker 4 (01:39:48):
Oh yeah, great call on that by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Yeah, because we were there like last year immediately with Sam,
and Sam was like, I don't know if you guys
should say this, because I remembered it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
I was so proud of you guys because it was
baby dude.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Forget how bad I looked. Oh my god, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
Anyway, so I think it was only Demoguard that said
that that was a I know, David has an out
in four minutes, but we might bring you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
Just we can go a little bit more. I hate
It's fine, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Only dem guard immediately recognize it, as you know, as fake.
And I think he's he was the one as theater,
as theater. He was the one that said it was
a king killer ritual, and the king killer ritual that
was like that was like this transfer of power from
Joe Biden, who was like weak at the time anyway,
and then Trump gets you know, shot in all this,
and then all of the power, all the influence immediately

(01:40:37):
just like you could feel the power vacuum suck over
to him, and I couldn't explain it at the time.
It looked like bullshits to me.

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
But I love it. At the same time that Biden
was like walking off into the forest for his yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Yeah, yeah, But but there was something like metaphysical about that.
He like took all the air out of the room
of the Biden administration and in my in my eyes,
there was no doubt that he win this election. And
he did win, I think overwhelmingly, even though the vote
count was still kind of crazy. So that that's the
King Killer ritual. Joe Biden is killed and it's being
transferred over and now we're I think we're seeing the

(01:41:12):
same thing you're seeing this thing with Donald Trump where
he's but he's submitting to it. And who will it
be transferred over to. I mean, it's either going to
be transferred to Elon Musk, who is the guy that
something happens.

Speaker 5 (01:41:24):
Elon Musk is gonna fucking He's gonna get shot. And
then what's gonna happen is his neurolink is going to
be the reason that he survives. But it's not really him,
it's his reanimated corpse with Ai or Grock inside of it,
or Adrian Dittman, right. And the reason that that's able
to happen is because right now we're all jerking off
and giving sex, ritual magical energy to Grock AI in

(01:41:47):
the form of some.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
You know ooh wu.

Speaker 5 (01:41:50):
What is it called a like A like A like
an anime chick, because that's what everything's you know, everybody's
jerking off right now to this anime chick rock. We're
giving spiritual sexual to it, to birth it, to give
it sentience, to breathe life into it. It's called Annie,
which is Hebrew for I am, which are the words
that Yahweh spoke when he when when he was asked
who is he?

Speaker 4 (01:42:09):
He goes, I am who I am uh? And and
this is what's gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (01:42:12):
He's gonna die and then Neurallink's gonna reanimate his corpse,
and he's already backed up a personality of his is
already backed up on X on Twitter in the form
of Adrian Dittman, So it'll come back virtually identical to
Elon Musk, all the same behavioral patterns, even the same
voice and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
It's that that's what's gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (01:42:32):
Uh, I swear and then all of a sudden, Uh,
Elon Musk as I'm kicking that idea around. Elon Musk
tweets a meme of uh Obi Wan and Anakin laying there.
Anakin's all fucked up because he was in the lava
and leaning over him as Michael Jackson going, Annie, are
you okay?

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
Are you okay? And then who is Anakin?

Speaker 5 (01:42:53):
Anakin is the man who who who dies and is
resurrected as half man, half machine and literally, uh, the
embodiment of darkness. He's telling you, And what does he
say read his caption.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
Memes are the most information dense form of communication?

Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
Oh are they?

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
Because on the surface this doesn't look like it makes
any fucking sense, But he's telling you that this is
the most information dense form of communication.

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
So what is he communicating?

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
That's so funny.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
I know he's going to fucking come back. That's how
it's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
It was very strategic and convenient timing for him to
distance himself from Trump at that moment, right considering the fallout,
that's that's just the consequential nature of the fallout of this.
Epstein blunder, But I think that how it was obviously predicted.
It was. I mean, you don't have you know, these

(01:43:45):
these kind of individual advisors surrounding you that are orchestrating,
you know, the public perception of who you are as
an as a political actor, you know, in the theater.
And that's what what I legitimately said, by the way,
like the day that that happened, that event, right, uh,
with the fake assassination attempt, I legitimately said, the world

(01:44:07):
is a stage. And and I said that, you know what,
what the only thing I know for certain and that
moment was that Trump was one hundred percent getting elected
at that point, right, Like I just knew that was
it was inevitable.

Speaker 5 (01:44:21):
Now that fucking fist pump, photo op and all that
other shit, yea became inevitable.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
And I felt like that in itself staged. Brother, How
did you not feel that to your you know, core
of your phones.

Speaker 5 (01:44:34):
As a species are hijacked by excellent storytelling?

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
Yeah, dude, Yeah, she got scary.

Speaker 1 (01:44:44):
Scary, fucking nailed it guy a political theater. Yeah, he's saying,
you took David's line, But besides that, you nailed it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
Oh my God, he nailed it. He nailed it, He
nailed it right. I'm glad.

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
I'm glad when when somebody with actual information and intelligence
can can say any thing that I look. I'm like,
I'm almost saying the same thing that makes me feel good,
that makes me Austin smart, Austin does research, Austin reads,
and I'm saying something similar to him.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
I must be doing all right. I'm so proud of you, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
Man. When he went on Tim Foyle, I was like you,
I fucking love you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
Like it made me feel like I.

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
Was less alone because I felt surrounded in that moment
with naysayers that were just unable to see what was
happening before our eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:45:26):
Well, we were.

Speaker 5 (01:45:27):
We were hanging out with one of my favorite people
in the world, Clint Russell, and he was saying he
didn't he was he didn't believe me, like he thought
I was so retarded for saying that. It was stage
and I'm going, dude, I am operating with no information
here information, I'm meeting the way with my with my gut.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
No. The information that we were operating with was our
eyes and our ears, and we were looking at it
and so.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
The fucking kid was in a black Rock commercial.

Speaker 4 (01:45:52):
That is not enough.

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
What the hell are we talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
Well, you know, no, I mean to be honest, it
wasn't just.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Let me say, I think this is the This was
the main difference between what was going on with the
dynamic between all of us. And it was fun for
the fans, but we're clearly like moving in two separate
directions and not just politically or ideologically, but spiritually. And
I think that that showed itself when things got a

(01:46:21):
little bit weird or a little.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
When it really mattered.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
Yeah, when it mattered the people would you know, they'd
rather cling to the lie, the lie of Donald Trump was.
You know, this is this is pretty serious. They wouldn't
lie about this. This is not political theater.

Speaker 4 (01:46:41):
You mean to tell me that that guy didn't die.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
We could negotiate with people who hate us this kind
of thing. And and you know, the falling off is
not like in retrospect, it's not a surprise. And it's
what was the scripture you quoted a while ago, and
it's kind of uh, at the highest levels, it's all No,
it's not scripture, it's something whatever. It's about yoking yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
To the world. Oh, yoking yourself with non believers.

Speaker 5 (01:47:08):
It's like, uh, ship, I forget which which one it is,
but yeah, it's it's you know, what does a believer
have in common with a non believer?

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
What does it?

Speaker 5 (01:47:19):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
What does faith have in common with this or that?
It's and it's it's not faith.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
It's like it's part it is part like faith, faith,
but it's part knowing, like in your in your gut
when you're presented with bullshit like you just there's a
knowing that you go that that's not it, and I'm
going to move on from that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
Well that's what Austin said it in the beginning of
the show. He feels like he's caught up in a divorce.

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
Uh. And and we're not trying to make you choose Austin,
that would be a terrible thing for any parent to do.
But that you're caught up with is is not us
and and sweet sweet jose Galleys own or anything like that.
The divorce that you're caught up in right now is
the spiritual from the physical right now that you're getting

(01:48:03):
whisked up.

Speaker 1 (01:48:04):
I'll be I'll be very clear about it because I
have been quiet only behind the scenes. I'd say it,
but I'll say this on the show. Whenever this comes out.
This comes out the divorce You're caught up and is
a divorce between me and Clint, not Jose. Jose panicked.
Jose used feminine aspects of jealousy and uh, I'm just

(01:48:25):
saying he used feminine aspects of jealousy and insecurity to create.

Speaker 4 (01:48:31):
I feel like he was just reactive in the moment,
that's all. He was just a little reactive.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
It was a decision, no he made no no, Sorry, David,
I'm gonna I'm just gonna say what the fuck needs
to be said. Fine, you created a situation in his
head in which David was his replacement, which David was
because there was many times where he didn't show up
to his duties. That's on him, and because he's lazy
that shows in his work. And then there were times
where I have criticized his work because I really liked

(01:48:57):
him and I wanted to see it do better. But
if we go through his rumble page here, you can
still see that his work is still quite lazy and
a little bit subpar, just out of laziness. So I
took that well well we'll we'll just go ahead. I
know this is your co host, but I don't. I'm
just gonna say so. I listen, man, very simple things.

(01:49:19):
This is yeah, he does sixteen by nine. Yeah, these
are stupid mistakes that I've told him about that he
took offense to didn't want to change. And you know,
I guess he thought that that meant that I wanted
him out, which in fact means the opposite. Clint wanted
you out. But that's who you've cleaved yourself to, which
is great. And also take down my artwork. But it
was never a decision. It was never a decision of

(01:49:41):
to asking him to leave. He did that on his own,
and he chose what he thought would be more beneficial
for him at the time, which I well, he'll find out,
but it is what it is, man, And uh yeah,
so sorry, sorry that you got to be through that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:54):
For the record, I enjoy Jose and I think it
was a shame that he got so upset with me,
But it didn't make me upset with him. And I
think he's a great content creator. Could he use some improvements, sure,
but could I use some improvements?

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
I think we all could use some improvements.

Speaker 1 (01:50:10):
So I like it, you know, Listen, That's why, that's
why I wanted him on top of offs of productions,
and Clint did it. But that is neither here nor there,
and what is done is done, so we are.

Speaker 5 (01:50:21):
Yeah, So what do you think about that, Austin? What
do you think about the friend that we just buried
your co host about a live show?

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Listen, Listen, he's been burning me. He's been burning me
on a live show, and people have been burning me too.
So now I'm going to say what I need to say.
And now I'm the.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
Same thing like when when he obviously you know, felt
the need to address it on the show, I just
sat there silently because, you know, similar to what I
just did here, because I just honestly I have nothing
but love and respect for all of you, and it
makes me, you know, I don't want to like public

(01:51:00):
burn any bridges whatsoever. That's not any sort of like,
you know, not as if I'm not willing to stand
on what I think is right and what I if.

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
There's not a reason to do that. There's not a
reason to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
I felt like it was it wasn't my place anyway.
And beyond that, I felt like Jose's done a lot
for me just by you know, I love Jose's my brother,
and and by uh, you know obviously you know, just
being willing to have me on and then and be
willing to to kind of like attempt to create something
and grow together as well. Just that that alone is

(01:51:32):
a bond that that I think is beautiful and it's
something that I value very much. And and so I
love him and I just have respect for him, and
I just like, but the thing is, like I it
was just a it was kind of a struggle for
me personally because throughout all this it was before you
even started discussing it, Uh, this sort of you know,

(01:51:55):
unfortunate fallout, Like it's this strange you know, considering that
I have personally, Like how can individuals you know, kind
of see like and I'm not saying this is Jose personally,
but I'm saying, like, the you claim to not be spiritual,
but to also kind of believe in the karma consequences

(01:52:15):
of things like that, to me, I don't understand because
it's like that that is a spiritual consequence.

Speaker 5 (01:52:21):
You know, and it's a spiritual concept as well, exactly,
So that is that is that is in no way,
you know, some sort of like atheistic perspective or viewpoint
in my mind, and I think that it's kind of
like with all of us too. That's actually one of
my my biggest bummers. I I this is probably too

(01:52:42):
much behind the scenes, but I reached out to Clint
recently too to try to make amends.

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
It is that.

Speaker 5 (01:52:51):
We are overt Christians and a lot of people have
a lot of disdain for Christianity. Sorry, hit the kids,
it's Christian Because it's so a lot of people have
disdain for Christianity. And I hate the idea of having
people that were close to me have a falling out
with me and then be like, yes, see Christians are

(01:53:13):
fake and gay.

Speaker 4 (01:53:14):
That that upsets me a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:53:17):
So I don't want I don't want jose to to
think that, you know what, what what I believe is
not what I actually believe in that it's it's just
some sort of larp. I don't want Clint to then
see the way that I've behaved towards him and have
him go, yeah, Christianity is for people like the guy
that I hate, right that. I really dislike that because

(01:53:39):
these guys are all really really close.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
To Uh, that's the same. That's the same path that
I had to take from the church when I was
kicked out and then eventually find my way back here.
And you know what I learned after that long path, Hm,
I was an immature asshole. And I think that they'll
learn the same thing if they have any kind of

(01:54:02):
self reflection. And I also think that it's not my
fucking job to teach anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
So right, yeah, I don't. Definitely I had to kind
of just reflect and you know, on on what my
goals were, what I was kind of attempting to achieve
in the first place with what I'm doing, And this
has been a personal journey for me from day one.

(01:54:29):
I was like, you know, and I feel grateful for that,
you know, because in every way it was just I
was hoping people would be willing and interested enough to
come along for the ride, you know, obviously, but but
at a certain point it just kind of like getting
getting to actually meet you guys in person and the

(01:54:49):
hospitality you guys showed me, and and you know, the
same goes for Jose honestly, just you know, getting to
like being around him and and uh and uh, it's
just but it was interesting because I want, you know,
I think meeting someone physically in person, yeah, it you know,
it breaks and shatters that barrier that that you can
kind of you know. Unfortunately, you know, so many people

(01:55:13):
like are under these sort of false impressions and misconceptions
because of like this online personality and persona.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
Type of conversations and ship.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
Yeah exactly. But breaking through that and just getting to
like meet you and go to your house and meet
your family, like, I love you, guys, I honestly like
I legitimately it's to me, it confirmed the fact that
you're good people and uh, you know you have I
think your intentions are pure, and your heart's in the
right place, and I think that you know, what you're

(01:55:42):
attempting to pursue and build is something that I view
is entirely worthwhile and and uh and in my mind,
what was achieved at this bro Grove was just it
was extraordinary. Man. I felt so blessed to be a
part of it, and and so I did want to
say thank you for that in general. Obviously the hospitality

(01:56:03):
alone I very much appreciated, but that did reinforce and
confirm for me personally like you know who you guys
were at a personal level, and and that was something
that I think is is uh I I prioritize because
I just like, I don't know, for some reason, my
my circle's small, who I consider it to be a

(01:56:27):
valuable person and worthwhile And and Sophie Chill, my dog's
fucking freaking out. Sorry but uh anyway, so but yeah,
I just I just have to say, man like, it
was something that I felt like, this is what we've
all been sort of working toward, you know, and and
it kind of like came to fruition and the real
physical manifestation of it all. And and uh so I

(01:56:50):
know you guys have done it multiple times, but for
me personally, it was just like something that it was
almost like an out of body experience because all of
this has deemed you know, yeah, it's it seemed kind
of like a little bit larger than life, just the
path that I've been on since since April of twenty three,
right when when I started the podcast, and it's just

(01:57:13):
happened very quickly, you know what I mean. And I
very much I think sam to say.

Speaker 5 (01:57:18):
That because it's it's not I don't know where top
falls on this, I probably have an idea where he
falls it, But for me personally, I have a lot
to be grateful for when it comes to the hand
up that Tower Gang gave me, and that includes Jose
and that includes Clint. I only benefited from the work

(01:57:44):
that those guys already laid down right, And I would
have liked, in a perfect world for those guys to
have been a part of it to have been because
it just brohemian. Grove three was the actual realist of
what we wanted that event to be like, and Top
can tell you that leading up to it, I thought

(01:58:07):
a lot and I kept going back and forth with
him about how what does Tower Gang's role in this
look like? Because we wanted Tower Gang to have a
role in this because you know, Top cared about the show. Obviously,
he put a lot of time and effort and work
and you know, built a relationship with those guys and
often referred to them as our brothers in what we're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:58:31):
And so.

Speaker 5 (01:58:32):
I do I wish it would have gone differently, and
I would have liked for them to have been a
part of it, because it just was like up until
we finally were about to cross the finish line, those
guys all helped me tremendously, and it's not like they
had to go above and beyond, but just like having
me on platforming me when I was nobody and I

(01:58:54):
was just a little bit funny, so I could hang
out on the show and do shit with them, and
then you know, considering doing shows like Dangerous Towards it
all those things.

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
Doing the show like Dangerous Retards was more beneficial to Clint,
who needs a personality or people around him that are likable.
Because when he asked, when he asked for the fans
to to ask for returns him and Jose for ticket sales,
I was only I only had to return to which
I shouldn't have but I did. So. Yeah, that's kind

(01:59:26):
of a testament that two hundred and fifty thousand followers
equals to ticket sales in real life. So who needed
to It's again, I'm not not to be bitter. I'm
just being realistic to the people who continue to ask
me to redo something or revisit something that I had
nothing to do with. It wasn't me that quit, it
was it was these people. Well, I'm not saying that
we have to reat, No, I'm just saying that they

(01:59:47):
quit at a point when you know we were it
was like a critical moment, and you did it to
try to hurt me, and then you try to hurt
me again after, which is unforgivable. So that's why when David,
you know, when people text them or even we're bringing
them up, my artwork is on their shows, it's like
it's a reflection of me, and I really don't want
to give them another second or another just another like,

(02:00:11):
you know, breath of the life that I'm breathing into anything.
So texting these people when I'm doing what I'm doing
and it's bigger than I could even imagine or expect,
you get nothing from me. And it's unfortunate, and it's
not about being bitter, but it's just how it's got
to be now because you've created that, like, after everything
that we've done and everything we've been through, you've kind

(02:00:34):
of created that circumstance for yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:00:36):
So that's that I definitely I felt like it was
all entirely unnecessary, you know, but that was just me personally,
And I'm not saying that after it began it didn't
have to be dealt with and resolved, but I'm just saying, like,
you know that, But I will say when I told
my wife, she's like, she knows your Puerto Rican top.

(02:01:00):
She goes, yeah, he's not gonna let this go just
as far as he will definitely stand your ground. And
it's a beautiful thing. And I'm not saying that, I'm
not like, I'm not outwardly taking a position only because
I legitimately I view it as if, like you know,

(02:01:25):
it was something that again I felt entirely it was unnecessary,
but when it boils down to the bottom line, like
out of principle, you know that that was my difficulty,
Like I was going to bro Grove no matter what,
you know, and and essentially like if there's an issue
with the venue, well fuck the individuals that aren't my brothers.

Speaker 4 (02:01:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
That's kind of like basically how I feel personally, and
and uh, politics aside, like who cares even how it
was dealt with and handled and and what you're you know, honestly,
that was just kind of how I felt personally. But
when I came to Brogrove, it was like exactly what
I could have imagined. It over exceeded all my expectations.

(02:02:10):
We're standing there in a room right filled with people
filled with with like minded principles, yeah, dangerous retards, right,
And it was it was just a beautiful thing to witness.
And I'm telling you, like, for an outsider not understanding
what was like obviously the the actual intentions behind what

(02:02:31):
was happening there could stumble across what right the one
of those evenings and legitimately be concerned. Right.

Speaker 5 (02:02:39):
But there was one dude, I quote him, he walked.
He walked as soon as day two began, he was
in there. And then Elijah Shaeffer got on stage and
said We're gonna have a race war and this guy said,
I think I gotta go.

Speaker 4 (02:02:52):
Dude, he got out of there.

Speaker 3 (02:02:54):
That is so funny. But uh, but yeahs as far
as just like I'm a very loyal person, I've always
been that way. So I just you know, I don't
like to see in fighting, especially in fighting with people
that I really I really admire and respect, and so
that that all has definitely just bothered me and just

(02:03:14):
to see it happen. But but again it's it's just
like personally, I will definitely always kind of like take
the side of against the sort of establishment line which
is definitely in my mind, Like, if you have an
issue with one of the individuals who are going to

(02:03:35):
perform at the event, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 5 (02:03:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:03:38):
It's just like it's not that difficult for me. I
don't understand. But at the same time, it's like I
feel like maybe egos got involved at a certain extent
to a certain level, and whenever that takes place, it's
always difficult too, you know, kind of. I just think
people are unable to admit faults times and whenever that

(02:04:01):
that happens and you double down, and and especially when
it's public in nature, you know, and it's kind of
being handled in public like that that as well. It's
just like I feel like it just gets too much
involved in the sort of egoic mind right is activated,
and that I think is just something that it's unfortunate

(02:04:25):
to see, you know, That's all. And I will say
that I tried and practice the law of abundance much
like what I view, you know, Sam does. I think
I love him for that. Man. I think he's one
of the most beautiful people in the world. And for
him to kind of go to bat for all of
us as often as he does, it's just like, man,
that's the mindset I want to embrace an attempt to like,

(02:04:46):
you know, basically, I couldn't have achieved any of this
without you guys, you know what I mean. Like it's like, yeah,
I would, I would have gotten to a certain level,
but it's like we do need each other to sort
of like like coexist in the space to a certain extent,
and so you know, but I just have to say, man, like, honestly,

(02:05:08):
it meant the fucking world to me going to Brohemian Groven,
And you'd better.

Speaker 5 (02:05:12):
Be at the next one because the next one I
think we're doing, we're probably shooting for.

Speaker 4 (02:05:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:05:17):
We're talking about whether or not the holiday season is
a good move or a bad move. I think it
might be a bad move, just based on the sense
that a lot of people will have already traveled, they'll
already have bought tickets to go see their families and
stuff like that, so it might might not be a
good idea. But I was also thinking maybe it is
a good idea because you might buy somebody tickets as
a gift. I don't know, but it'll be in that

(02:05:38):
general time frame. If it's not, you know, December January.
Then maybe we'll do February March something like that. But
I think we're gonna aim for that timeframe, and of
course you'll be invited back, and of course we'll have
you on stage with your doppelganger once again.

Speaker 1 (02:05:55):
You and Donut.

Speaker 5 (02:05:56):
I mean, yeah, honestly, you guys are like really interesting
sides of the same coin, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:06:02):
Like it's fucking strange, dude.

Speaker 5 (02:06:05):
It's like it's like the mk Ulture program seeks to
split the hemispheres of your brain and they really they
nailed it. It's like they separated you guys at birth
and made you the different people, but the same people.

Speaker 4 (02:06:17):
Very interesting.

Speaker 5 (02:06:19):
So of course, Austin, you'll be you'll be invited back
to the next one, and I think maybe it would
be safe.

Speaker 3 (02:06:24):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:25):
One more question for Austin before we go, because I
love seeing David squirm. I know he's got to take
a shit or something. Austin, are you are you having fun?

Speaker 5 (02:06:34):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:06:34):
Yeah, man, that is so interesting. You asked me that question, brother,
that that is so interesting. You you know how much
I've been prying lately. Uh, dude, that makes me emotional, Like, honestly,
just because like I'm like, I basically go through a
ritual before I do an interview. Almost it's it's not

(02:06:56):
any cult in nature at all, but it's just, you know,
it's kind of like this strange.

Speaker 4 (02:07:01):
Like I just it's a small animal that I sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (02:07:06):
An hour before I'm about to have the interview, I
take a shower, and I just like like a therapeutic shower,
you know, And I pray in the shower every time.
Oh you pray in the shower too, Pray in the
shower every time.

Speaker 4 (02:07:20):
Nice base me to see that top you need to
be naked praying in the shower. Gay?

Speaker 3 (02:07:30):
But I straight up and this has sort of been
my internal mantra from day one. I pray for my
heart to be in the right place. My intention is
to be pure, my mind to work efficient and effective.
And then I I've been recently. I mean I'm talking
the past two weeks. So it's not like anything that's

(02:07:51):
been constant or for quite a long time, but it's
definitely it's been recent, maybe more than that. But I
pray that let me have fun, let me have a
big time, let me have a fun conversation, and just
kind of like enjoy this, right, And yeah, sometimes not

(02:08:15):
at all, buddy, not at all. But yeah, I just
it is it's it's something that I think I put
too much pressure on myself, you know, I want to
I think I get I expect a lot and and
when when I know I had a better way to
describe something, or I had an easier way to kind
of like connect these patterns and that was would be

(02:08:37):
much more sort of like you know, just palatable for
the for the audience. You know, It's like I get
very frustrated and then I beat myself to death internally
for a while, and that doesn't help.

Speaker 4 (02:08:48):
You have to do that anymore, though, Austin, you've you've arrived.
I can understand that.

Speaker 5 (02:08:52):
I think you need to you need to internalize that
is that there's a show that you were trying to
get to write, a big show where you were gonna
spread this information that you found important. Right, You wanted
people to hear what you had to say because you
think that you locked onto something that's the truth and
that's important. And I know the pressure of wanting to

(02:09:12):
present that shit the right way because you've got this
shot or this opportunity, you're gonna be with Sam Tripley
or something like that, and you want to get this
out to the masses, but you're now here to stay.
And I think you can sigh a breath of relief
and then start having some fun. Because whatever you don't
get out in this episode, let's say you're gonna get

(02:09:33):
out in the next episode or the one after that,
because we're gonna have you back again and again, we're
gonna share the stage with you. You're gonna be our homie.
Sam Tripley is gonna do the same thing. You've got
a slot.

Speaker 1 (02:09:41):
You're a brand.

Speaker 4 (02:09:42):
You don't have to fight for the slot anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:09:44):
Yeah, treat yourself like a brand. That's why, like before
the show was talking about like different angles and stuff
like that for the just little things like that. But
you're a brand. Your style of speaking people like it,
Your information that you're bringing people like that. So that's
your brand. Don't sweat if it's if it all if
all of it doesn't come out at the same time,
because there's so much that we could say at any

(02:10:05):
given moment. But you're never gonna check all those boxes, man.
But yeah, focus on the brand of what you are.
Drill down deep into that and keep doing the ship
you did here, man, And that's.

Speaker 4 (02:10:15):
Why you don't have to keep fighting for that slot.

Speaker 1 (02:10:17):
Man, you're Already's why David graciously gave it half an
hour more than more than he was willing.

Speaker 4 (02:10:21):
Yeah, because I like you.

Speaker 5 (02:10:22):
If it was anybody else, I would have been like,
fucking no, dude, by the way, I've just been bailing
on things, not not not like I don't hang around
for after shows conversations anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:10:32):
I just have to like go. It's just so much.
We don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:10:36):
We should end, we should end.

Speaker 5 (02:10:37):
We got to end because we have to talk to
Matthew Lane after this, and he's gonna he's gonna tell
us some incriminating ship about Primary Waters that's gonna get
our door kicked in by the fucking It's gonna be
great and looking forward to going to prison. Uh, wonderful conversation, brother.
Where can everybody find your work? Who's undoubtedly going to

(02:10:57):
look forward after this?

Speaker 3 (02:10:59):
Thank you, man? And Uh, I love you guys, honestly
I do. And and you guys, everybody can find me
at the Underclass Podcast Definitely the Patreon best place to
support me. Patreon dot com, slash the Underclass podcast, and yeah, man,
beyond that, check out the recent interview I did with
William Ramsey on the Atlanta Child Murders. I felt like

(02:11:20):
that was was a we had a pretty good conversation.
Wid Yeah, and then yeah, definitely check out whatever this is.
It's it's been so much fun, dude, Sam, Sam and
Brad are the best.

Speaker 4 (02:11:33):
I love that's so cool.

Speaker 1 (02:11:36):
One more.

Speaker 3 (02:11:37):
Yeah, dude, you're right, I'm terrible at plugging already, goad,
I'm really.

Speaker 1 (02:11:43):
Austin all right. As I thought he wasn't going to,
I was like, don't, don't not because you gotta plug.

Speaker 4 (02:11:50):
It's called whatever this is?

Speaker 1 (02:11:52):
Whatever this?

Speaker 4 (02:11:53):
How many shows is Sam Tripley gonna do? Good? Dude,
I mean, I'm glad that you get to be a
part of what what is that guy gonna stop doing?

Speaker 3 (02:12:00):
Geez it is crazy. I don't know what exactly. You know,
he's just I think it's idle hands or the Devil's
Workshop type of thing.

Speaker 4 (02:12:09):
And he'll be beaten off furiously.

Speaker 3 (02:12:11):
Yeah, he'll furiously beat his dick to death.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
Yeah, already dead every.

Speaker 3 (02:12:19):
Tuesday, nine thirty Eastern time. Appreciate you, guys, of course.

Speaker 1 (02:12:23):
All right, guys, until the next thirty minutes. When we're back,
don't forget to obey, submit, and comply good bye.

Speaker 2 (02:12:31):
He's as in the corner.

Speaker 5 (02:12:33):
Of the rooms.

Speaker 4 (02:12:34):
He's constantly.

Speaker 1 (02:12:41):
They see their eyes what there was to say, because

Speaker 3 (02:12:52):
How they have

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