191: MKUltra, Crowley & Sabrina Carpenter’s Occult Rise w/ Izzy N Griffin

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is Isy Griffin.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Isy.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Before we get into today's show, let everybody know where
they can find your work.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
And what it is you do.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, so most of my If you want the real
the real shit, you got to go to my Patreon,
Patreon dot com slash Izzy and Griffin. I do have
samples on YouTube and x I guess Twitter, uh, and
I post a ton on Instagram. I'm pretty pretty popping
on Instagram. But I do these like full breakdowns fully sourced.

(02:22):
I research my ass off every single day for everybody,
and I just basically try to find the esoteric and
occult underpinnings of what's going on within pop culture. I
focus mostly on the music industry. I am a musician.
I started doing music again about a year ago. So yeah,

(02:44):
I'm just fully in it and I'm just bringing the
deepest truths I can possibly bring. And I go so deep.
I go super deep.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
So what's your what's your handle on Instagram? Because you're
crushing on Instagram. I was checking you out the other
day and I was like, dude, this dude is he's
doing work?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, thanks man, It's It's the same thing at Izzien
Griffin on Instagram. Yeah, and I said, have stuff on YouTube,
But like I said, it's Patreon is where you get
like the real the jussance as I call it.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I've never heard that word in my life. With that,
I like it.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, I don't know what it means either. I just
heard someone.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Said, so so check this out.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
Is he We were, you know, big fans of currently
big fans of of uh of Tinfoil hat, and we
heard your We were, but we were not anymore. We're
now dishitting. No, no, no, that's not true. And we heard
your Sabrina Carpenter episode, which I thought was fantastic, and
I said, we have to get this guy on the show,
derail him constantly because we have all kinds of questions
about this, and no, just based off of looking at

(03:46):
your content.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
You you kind of go everywhere you have.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
You have something to say about everything, and it's something
fascinating to say. So I kind of want to start
with this Sabrina Carpenter thing.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
We we beat to death on this show, the topic of.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Uh Crowley and and Jack Parsons and you know what
they were doing in the desert, him and l Ron
Hubbard jerking each other off, doing the you know. So
I would love to talk about that because when I
heard you mentioned how Sabrina Carpenter plugs into all this,
I thought, damn, dude, I didn't see that.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
It's just nice.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
It's refreshing when somebody has a take that is fascinating,
it's backed by information and it's something you haven't heard yet.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
It's also something where it's like, you know, I'm buying
all this Sabrina Carpenter merch. It's all over my house.
And I'm not like you see you see her everywhere,
and it's just one of those things where you're like,
it's another kind of like teeny bopper, you know, like
pop star that's not really doing anything special, but she's everywhere,
and it's I want to know why, because I'm also

(04:44):
a musician. So like when I listened to when I
listened to, like especially popular music, I'm constantly saying, what's
so good about this shit? And most of the time
it's nothing. It's you know, they're gonna give you the
money chords and you're gonna get the same formula over
and over again, but they choose their peace.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Yeah, So okay, so this is gonna be great for
you guys. So to I can answer your question as
to why the pop music that is out now is out.
I'm gonna get We'll get there. I have like a
whole thing I've just recently done on that and it's
really fucking fascinating, like literally mind blowing. But yeah, we
could talk about the Sabreena Carpenter stuff first too. So

(05:23):
like basically with Sabrina Carpenter, I did a bunch of
research on it and it's it's really insane it ties
into Jack Parsons. Her her parents are well, it's hard
to say. She has family members that are scientologists. Nancy
Cartwright is her aunt, who is the voice of Bart Simpson.

(05:46):
And there were all these articles written about how Serena
Carpenter is going to be essentially the next Tom Cruise
of scientology. She's came out and said that she's not
a scientologist. I personally don't uh by that. I don't
really know, but yeah, there's a lot of really strange
connections going back to a lot of shit with that.

(06:10):
Let me kind of look at my notes with that
as far as Sabena Carpenters as you guys want to
get started with on that in particular, I.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Mean, we had this this older theory that was very loose.
It was, i mean, super super loose conspiracy when we
were doing the deep dive into Andrijia Puharich, right, and
we did some research about like so this guy was
developing it's like a voice to skull technology stuff through
dental implants, which is where you get the term tinfoil

(06:39):
hat from, Like people were wrapping their heads in tinfoil
in order to block the radio waves and l Ron
Hubbard before he developed Scientology, had a life changing event
on in the Dentist and I'm like, huh, that's it
really was it a near death experience, right, It's like
a near death experience. But then afterward he started, that's
when he started to get these commun unications and then

(07:01):
create the religion of scientology. So I'm like, very suspicious.
I don't know exactly where to put that, but all
the rest of scientology kind of as it follows, is
very strange and the people around it, so it's just
another one that I'm putting in the bucket for later
to look at and say, hmmm, a lot of shit
in that bucket.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
For the longest time, I kind of looked at Scientology
as just like another it's not another run of the
mill cult, right, because of the amount of influence that
they have in Hollywood. But it didn't strike me as
massively significant until you start looking at l Ron Hubbard
in particular, right, because a long time ago, I was
watching Joe Rogan and he kind of he almost made

(07:39):
me look away from Scientology. And the reason that the
way that he did that was by saying that l.
Ron Hubbard was one of the most prolific science fiction
writers out there, and that so much of his work,
you know, wasn't a banger at all.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
It just kind of flew under the radar.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
But he still wrote a shit ton of science fiction books,
and then all of a sudden he ends up becoming
a cult leader. So, you know, it sort of looks
like a guy who's just trying to be successful in
a bunch of different avenues, and then that goes to
bed because he can't get a book, you know that
that's that's going to be a big book for the
life of them, and then he ends up creating a cult.
So it almost looks like a guy who's just but

(08:14):
then all of a sudden you find out that he's
tied into all of these various situations, including the whole
Jack Parsons thing, and you go, maybe this is a
little bit more nefarious sense. Maybe that's the question, is
he is, like, what the what do you what do
you think scientology is? Because I don't think it's just
a you know, a kind of a run of the
mill coult.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
I think, so here's what I think. Like Hollywood, in particular,
in the entertainment industry, has various factions that are running
things behind the scenes, and each one is vying for
their own position, right, And what I think scientology is
is I think scientology works hand in hand with Alistair

(08:55):
Crowley's religion, Thelema, And yeah, yeah, that's what That's basically
what I think scientology is. It's it's just another faction, right.
And so, like where Sabrina Carpenter comes in is they
essentially think that she is the embodiment of a deity
named Babylon from Alister Crowley's Thelemic Religion. So Alistair Crowley

(09:21):
actually created his own mythos and his own pantheon mythology
related to his religion and the rituals that they would do.
So in nineteen forty six, Parsons, in addition to l
Ron Hubbard, did these babylon working rituals, right, and they actually,

(09:45):
I have a ton of stuff that links them. Actually
thinking Sabrina Carpenter is the embodiment of Babylon, and Babylon
is essentially Thelema's and Crowley's idea of the divine feminine.
So so that's kind of what I think that is.
And the thing is is people don't know that Parsons

(10:06):
used to like live in the Oto and in one
of Crowley's like secret societies that he was like the
head of it, and he like lived with him in
like a live in cult. So that was a thing too. Yeah,
but when it.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Is he that, it seems like right now we're like
in the middle of this massive divine, feminine push. So
like a lot of the back in the day, it
would be like the symbolism you would see if you
were doing like a deep dive on like a music
video or something like that, it would be like all
seeing eyes and and kind of the boffam it, right,
you would see goat heads and this and that. And
then lately what I've been seeing instead is this thing that.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
It's like I'm colloquially calling it like the spirit of Lilith, right,
And I think that's just because like a lack of
a better term, or maybe not enough information to really
define what it is. Some people are saying, Sophia, I'm
having a hard time separating those two things. But it's
like this inverted triangle, right, So it's like.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
They can't do that. Yeah, I'm not allowed to do.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
The inverted triangle on my show anymore because the Freemason's
pay me so but but but it seems like, like,
for example, the super Bowl that we just had, right,
So I was getting obsessed with the orphic egg, and
Caesar's Superdome looks like an egg from you know, an
aerial view. So I thought maybe something significant was going

(11:24):
to happen at the super Bowl. And you had Donald
Trump being the first sitting president at a super Bowl ever,
so I was like, this is it, dude, Something's going
to happen. And then he's ushering in the Golden Age, right,
that's the language that he's using for his campaign. It
just so happens like the first you know, Emperor of
Rome or whatever ushered into what they considered a golden age.
I guess if it was intellectually and financially they considered

(11:45):
it a golden age. So I'm looking at all these
alignments and I'm like, something's gonna happen. And then they
do their Freemasonic ritual or whatever the hell they do,
and it seems to be almost unimpressive. It seems to
be focused on this like divine feminine angle. So you
have like, eventually, what's the lady's name that played?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
I don't I don't know.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
She's just like a female artist, black lady. She does
she she performed at the super Bowl adjacent to Kendrick
Lamar H Rihanna. No, I don't think it was Rihanna.
I forgot what the hell there was. The one that
we just had like a year ago is something. It's
like s z and yeah, is that that's okay? So Sissy, Yeah, yeah,

(12:26):
Sissy comes out and she's in an inverted triangle. That's
her stage, is an inverted triangle. And so the whole
thing looks like it's this you know, ritual that has
something to do with the divine feminine. And then the
super Bowl commercial that plays is a female football player

(12:47):
and she's got the number seven on which, you know,
seventy seven or some shit like that has something to
do with I'm, you know, retarded. So maybe I'm wrong,
but it seems like it has something to do with
this divine feminine. She's number seventy seven, and she's plowing
through all these dudes, She's juken them, they're falling, and
I'm just seeing all these elements and I'm wondering, like,
is it a coincidence given your information? Potentially Sabrina Carpenter

(13:11):
being the embodiment of the divine feminine Babylon And then
you look around and culturally it seems like we're being
saturated and it's strong female leads left and right constantly.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Yeah, so okay, so that ties into basically Crowley wrote
about this thing. The aon of Horus is essentially what
he believed we were moving into, and it ties into
the age of Aquarius.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
The aquarius is you know, it's it's the person pouring
out water. Sometimes it's depicted as a man, sometimes it's
depicted as a woman. So what this sort of ties
into as far as a divine feminine you're right, Like
an example is like the Katy Perry space launch, how

(13:57):
they're all women and they're all going into space. Well's
idea of the divine feminine. He has several different deities
that he sort of you know, describes and that he's created,
and one of them is represented by space itself. So space, right,

(14:18):
is a representation of the divine feminine because it's that
which receives. So the rocket literally going into space would
represent the masculine going into this empty void, this vastness
and it's being received by space, which would be represented
by the divine feminine. That's why everybody in that shuttle

(14:40):
was a woman, right, And that's why they had the
logos in the patches. They weren't really a baphomet thing.
It's more in line with kind of it's a thelemic thing, right,
Like literally, like all of Hollywood is this big thelemic thing.
Insofar as the one of the logos and the slogans
of thelem was everyone is everyone is a star. Every

(15:04):
man and every woman is a star. That's what we
call celebrities stars, and so part of the divine masculine
to Crowley would then be like that of a star
or something like that. There's a bunch of stuff on it.
It's like it's really interesting so much so, like, have
you noticed this push in the music industry too? You
remember we had like Wet Ass Pussy and like all

(15:25):
those like uh right, so think of it as like
like Nicki Minaj, we had wop Meg the Stallion, all
of these people, they were really degrading women, right, It
was a degradation of women. So I write about this, right,
and I'm talking about how we're moving into this new

(15:47):
age this aon of Horus, and this new age I
call it the meta aon of Lucifer, right, because essentially
this age of aquaries, Aquarius is an air so Lucifer
is the god of the airways. Right. But what we
see is we see this degradation now being shifted into
a woman empowerment like you're describing, right if you think

(16:10):
of artists like I'm not sure if you know who
they actually didn't know who Sizza was, but like Doce
is like the forefront of like the woman's women's music, right,
and it's all about female empowerment. Women empowerment. We have
like Billie Eilish, we have Lord, we have all these
things that are it's it's a flip from the degradation

(16:31):
of libidal energy into the glorification and the pride of women, women, pride, women,
the empowered feminine. Right. That's why it was so powerful
when Katie Perry and all those brods went to space. Right.
But here's the thing, as we're moving into this age
of Lucifer, as I'm calling it, it's what caused Lucifer

(16:54):
to fall ride his pride, right. So what we're going
to be seeing specifically in the music industry, which music
you could say, is carried through the air, right, It's
it's empowerment, it's gonna be women pride. That's that's what
you're gonna be seeing a lot of.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
To answer that question, that's fascinating because I don't know
if you've seen this trend. There's a lot of feminist movements,
especially in Europe, and when they get out and they mobilize,
the way that they I guess stand in defiance against
the patriarchy or unfair is by whipping their tits out.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Like every single time, and over sexualization.

Speaker 5 (17:33):
Yeah, and I go, that's an interesting and I know
I know that there's this idea that in the sixties
or seventies one of the early feminism movements was named
Lilith after you know, the Lilith And I guess, well.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I think it was the one of the first feminist magazines.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Oh really, yeah, they named it Lilith.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's like it's always right on the nose, like they
always know the esoteric nature of what they're doing. And
then we're supposed to, I don't know, I suppose we're
supposed to act like they're not pointing at this stuff
consistently and just continue to follow whatever the mainstream narrative is.
It's nonsense.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
You know, it's interesting. You're you're talking about lilith, right,
So lilith is a part of it ties really into
like what I have prep for you guys, because I
have some fire. I have some fire just for you guys,
like as you know, prep. Yeah, ship is this what
this is?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Right now? That's what this is.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Okay, this is an intervention, right, that's funny, man, so little.
So you guys are familiar with Kabbola, right or no?

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (18:39):
Okay, So you guys, you guys know about the tree
of life. You know what it looks like. So, so
the the Kabbalistic tree of life, one of so each
of those circles right, So to anyone listening right now,
if you want to, you could pull this up in
a tab and just look up Cobbola Tree of Life.
Each of those circles is called a cepha or yeah, right,

(19:01):
And each one of those represents an emanation of light
from God. Right, That's what they're supposed to represent. And
as you go down the tree of life, you go
down the tree of life due to desire. Each of
these desires brings you you further and further away. Right,
Oh shit, you guys have it. That's so sick.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
So, as you can see, each one of those pathways
is also represented by a tarot card as well. And
this ties in perfectly into what we're going to talk
about and to answer your question as to why music
kind of sucks. Now, So as we're going down, there's
actually the esoteric principle, you know, the as above cell below.

(19:44):
You've heard that before.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, yeah, there's also many.

Speaker 5 (19:47):
To kind of mean, like, you know, it's an obvious
observable fact about the realm that we inhabit, and and
quantum science has has kind of dictated like, oh, there's
a fractal nature to reality. So even even sciens like
this de as you go, it emulates you know, the
micro emulates the macro.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
So in some ways everywhere, dude, Like even we're actually
doing a documentary about uh, primary waters like deep deep
underground waters, and it's just like, you know, the Bible
mentions the waters above and the waters below, and I
always thought that meant it could mean like outer space
and that whatever etheric liquid is out there, but I
just think they're talking about, like, dude, waters above and

(20:24):
there's literally waters below, so it's just like, you know,
that's the bath I saw your video about the bath
met thing.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
Today's pretty hid. That was very funny by the way
that that video crushes.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yeah yeah, thanks, yeah. But so like with the Kabbola,
there's also the tree, the tree of death. So the
as above, cell below, everything is in everything is the
micro to the macro, but everything is also an inversion.
So there's also a tree of death, which is the opposite, right,
So it's it's not the it's not the emanations of light,
it's actually the emanations of desire. And one of those

(20:56):
separats is labeled lilith, right, so essentially meaning that there
is an actual archetypal thing happening within reality right now.
That is exactly what you guys are talking about and wondering.
It's literally like a a staple of that reality because

(21:17):
you're talking about, like you were just mentioning, how like
reality is quantum and it's fractal. That's what the Kabbola
literally represented to these ancient mystics who were trying to
practice magic, and we're practicing magic, right, but that's essentially
what it is.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Let me ask you this is he.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
Talking about the whole l Ron Hubbard situation and then
Alistair Crawley's dilemma and you're saying that he sort of
created these deities Babylon and you know, pantheon of other ones.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
He created a new pantheon.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Do you think that this is created in the sense
of like original thought forms or tolpas that didn't exist
before and then he's he's creating them and then they
are existing in some way, shape or form. Or is
this a rebranding of pre existing because it seems like
these entities obscure their names throughout history, their identities throughout history,

(22:12):
and uh, and you know, one thing will be balhadad
in in you know, summeher or whatever, and then it'll
be Zeus in Greek mythology. Is he really creating his
own thing or is he just creating a new form
of identities for these pre existing entities to inhabit.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah, So one thing I talk about a lot. I
just did a three part series on Rick Rubin and
someone I called the modern day Alistair Crowley, right, And
one thing I talk about in this series is what
makes an occultist famous is their ability to rebrand occultic
ideas for a contemporary modern audience. Right, So that is

(22:54):
what it's it's it's always a recycling and a rehashing
and a changing of the language of the these old things,
these archetypal deities, these archetypal truths that they're never changing,
but they're constantly being recycled. But the thing that we
have going on now that changes that actually is we

(23:17):
have the Internet now, which they didn't have one hundred
years ago. Right, So when Crowley was operating in the
early nineteen hundreds and he was utilizing print and he
was talking about this pantheon and creating this literal religion.
What we have now is we have the Internet, which
is actually its own literal matrix, its own literal reality.

(23:41):
And what we're having happen is this new aon, this
new age. We're living in, this age of Aquarius, what
I'm calling the Medaean of Lucifer. This matrix is now
reflecting itself back into reality. And what's happening is these
archetypal truths are now you know, reality used to mimic

(24:04):
it used to directly mimic the kabbola, right, So like
you have these archetypes, like the fool or you know,
the magician. You have these things that are these these
truths that mirror themselves in storytelling and fiction and in reality. Right,
people mirror these archetypes in life. But now what we're
having is we're actually having an inversion of that and

(24:26):
reality is now mimicking the matrix and we actually are
having the tree of death emanating in real life. Right.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
So that's very heavy.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
I can you elaborate on that a little bit because
there's a lot of concepts that escape I'm a simple man.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah no, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is what I have,
This is what I kind of brought for you guys.
So the tree of life, right, the kabalistic tree of
life is a way you can view reality to sort
of understand it. Right. You have these these archetypes that exist, right,
So for example, the fool's journey. The fool's journey is this,

(25:04):
you know, this old archetypal story that the foolish person
could eventually turn into a master, right, the person who
doesn't really know what their path is. If they find
their path suddenly they can become a master of their
own reality. Right, Like that's that's mirrored in Taro. That's

(25:25):
mirrored in the cobbola, like you guys just showed. So
this fool, right, this fool, it exists in reality. It
is an archetypal structure that exists. But now what we're
having is we have the Internet, which is the inversion
of reality. And it's now we don't have the fool.

(25:45):
We have a bastardized version of the fool because the
Internet is morphing and it's diseasing these archetypes that we
actually have. Right, So if we look at these sort
of fractals of like God that exists as these archetypes,
they become disease and they become sickened through the Internet,

(26:07):
and they become cheapened, and then those things start to
become what we see in reality. That's what we see
in real life because people are now they're not embodying
the truths they see in reality, they're embodying the fake
truths that they see on the Internet. Right.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh, that's interesting. So it's actually really heavy, it is.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
And it's something that I've been talking about where not
only do you get algorithmically siloed into different let's say,
like political ideologies or anything like that, but we seem
to have built within our nature, this desire to emulate
what we see. For example, when I was a kid,
I went through a really upsetting phase where I would
not stop emulating Jack Sparrow and my movements is very embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
It's very embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
If you I'm fucking sick, dude.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I love that intolerable. Now, there was the worst.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
I don't even know what I was doing. I was,
you know, constantly moving my hair. But if that is
the case, then what you're then getting is all of
these new archetypes from the Internet. And not only are
you getting new ones, but you're getting them in mass
and there, and we're cycling through them super rapidly. So
you know, my son, for example, if I let him

(27:22):
watch like some gamer or whatever, some of them aren't
on YouTube, they have because I don't let my kid
watch YouTube, but he's got like other some of them
get channels on Hulu, And if I let him watch that,
you'll you'll very quickly hear him emulating you know, their style.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
And then what are they emulating? Is the question?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Right, right?

Speaker 5 (27:40):
And so what he ends up emulating is a watered
down version because his father is a thirty five year
old man who is plugged into the Internet for his occupation.
He is emulating a watered down version of meme culture.
And that's really strange because I know, you know, when
we talk about like mimatic warfare or meme culture in general,
it's like it's like high level spellcasting.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Look at what I mean. We've done a lot of work,
or at least a lot of thought on what the
fool is. And I think Owen Benjamin told us that,
like we play the role of the holy fool, oh yeah, yeah,
which is like that's like a more Russian archetype, but
the role of the fool would be similar to the
role of the jester, and he's the guy that speaks
truth to the king. And we talk a lot about
that role being completely abdicated by most comedians, I mean,

(28:25):
Sam Tripoli owned Benjamin. There's like maybe a handful of
other ones that are actually telling the truth. Like it's
telling a very hard truth and they're paying a cost
for it, whether it be shadow banning or you know,
just taking off of their payment processors in general. But
then you think about why they've been removed, and now

(28:47):
what the fool is representing? The fools representing this like
conglomerate of whatever Netflix is asked for and what is
Netflix asking for and why are they asking for it?
And then that becomes like meme that. Now that's meme
co trure. Now you have like Matt Rife out there
and you have a million people that are emulating him. Yeah,
and as is he is saying, it gets so watered

(29:08):
down that it's like, what the fuck.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Well, let's think.

Speaker 5 (29:11):
The way that I understand the fool is sort of
if there's like a reductive way of understanding it. It's like,
you know, is he saying he becomes the master or
maybe you could say that interchangeably with like the hero.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
But it's like the fool.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
In so many ways is almost too foolish to realize
that his endeavor is monumental. And so it's like, if
he was any smarter, he would be afraid. And so
in that way, it's kind of like you talk about
the holy fool. If the Bible says fear not, then
the fool has that mechanism He's too stupid to be afraid. Yeah,
it's kind of the way that I look at it,

(29:47):
and that lack of fear, because if he sat there
and measured out if he knew what he was setting
out the door to which.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
He wouldn't do it, he wouldn't do it right.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
And so that stupidity or that foolishness is what allows
him to then achieve, you know, being a master or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Yeah, it's interesting you guys started talking about comedy, because
the next video series I'm doing is literally on that,
and it's talking about how we're living in this age
of inversion. So the fool, as you're saying, like what
Owen Benjamin said, he used to whisper truth to the king, right, Like,

(30:20):
there's this example I use of this. There is this
gesture from France, I believe, and he actually he slapped
the king and the king was like, holy shit, and
they laughed it off because he's funny, right, And it's
the gesture. Used to be this individual who could actually
check the king, right, he could check him, he could

(30:41):
put him in his place and sort of do the
bidding of the sort of collective consciousness thought of that
realm or kingdom.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Right.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
But now what we have outside of a select few
is we have the fool is now the fool king, right,
The fool is now doing the bidding of the king
of whoever it is that is on their show or whatever. Right,
So you have they've become mouthpieces, whereas before they were

(31:13):
these sort of bearers of truth in a in a
roundabout way that looked a little bit different, right, And
so it's almost this sick and twisted inversion where there
has been like the comedian is now sort of looked
at as this bastion of truth when really their role

(31:34):
is to be silly or whatever. Right. So it's almost
like imagine, imagine if you went to like an alien
planet and you're you're trying to understand their society, and
there's this small role of these people who are supposed
to not be taken seriously and they're the people who
are now the mouthpiece of truth. It would be you'd

(31:55):
be like, that's kind of weird. It doesn't really make
much sense, right, But that's now what we have because
what we have, the age we are in, is the
inversion of all of the traditional archetypes that are and
that exists.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
It also seems like the fool would have a no
real problem abstaining from ego, because ego will get in
the way of your analysis of many things. It'll get
in the way of the truth as it passes through
you potentially as a filter, and then you become a mouthpiece,
and and as it passes through you, your ego screws
it all up, right, So the fool doesn't really have
too much of an ego. So in some ways it

(32:28):
makes a lot of sense that the fool would kind
of be akin to the jester, and the gester would be,
you know, speaking the truth. But I want to bring
it back to this conversation about Sabrina Carpenter.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, I actually had a question. So when you asked
Izzie about the embodiment, as he said that it's just
replicating things that already exist. It's always like anbrand of rebranding. Yeah,
in your opinion, is you though, somebody like Sabrina Carpenter
do you think that this is a person that is found,
Like does she have like certain character ristics that they

(33:01):
notice afterward, or is this somebody that is literally created?

Speaker 4 (33:04):
It's like, uh, yeah, in her case, she's created. So yeah,
she's created in her case. And I don't think that
these people are aware. I don't think she's aware of
what's going on behind the scenes. And I you know,
obviously it's kind of crazy to say that she's she's
the embodiment of Babylon or whatever. It's it's not so

(33:25):
much whether she is or she isn't. There are people
who believe that she is and that have created this
system around her to where that is the reality that
they live it. Right. So it's like like like, for example,
in her early music videos her her first album was
titled Eyes Wide Open, and the first like four music

(33:49):
videos she did, it's like she's mimicking being mk Ultra.
She's like literally being mk Ultrade. They show her wearing
clothes that were like a part of this big art piece,
this like art collective that this woman did who was
sexually abused in the Epstein stuff. Really like like if

(34:11):
you look, it's just it's all there, right, And so
you know, Eyes Wide Open, and then there's all of
these references and all of these connections to Stanley Kubrick's
movie Eyes Wide Shut. I mean, it's like all like
super spelled out. So it's really fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Now that that idea Again, when you were saying this
on timfoil Hat, I'm like, I'm talking back to you know,
my phone, and you guys can't hear me, but the
idea of mk ulture tying into what like, you know,
she's basically an m k ultra, a little sex kitten,
but her ties to scientology if these ties actually do
go back from l Ron Hubbard his surgery to Andrija Pouharich,

(34:50):
and this all happens around the fifties, right around that
same kind of time where this all the stuff starts
sprouting and developing. Andrija Puharich is basically the godfather of
mk ultra, So it kind of it's it's almost all
directly in line where you're getting marching orders from some
dude that is planting a seed, and then it goes

(35:11):
all the way down to current day. Very bizarre thought.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
No, yeah, one hundred percent. I definitely think that that's all.
It's all. Uh, it's all tied end. It always is.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
It's weird to say that they're not that she's unaware,
because that's often the question, right when you look at
all this like symbolism surrounding an individual, especially in the
music industry or Hollywood, and you go, do they know
what they're doing, that they're what they're implicated in what
they're moving along? And she had an interview not long
ago where I don't know if she was doing an

(35:43):
album or something like that, and it's got something to
do with a movie about pedophilia and she's naming her album.
I believe it's her album after this movie. And then
like I don't know if she shoots a music video
or something like that, but is like themes elements from
the movie.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Long story short, Oh, she.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Did a yeah, she did. So. She did a photo shoot.
She did a Lolita photo shoot, and she she did
the same She recreated scenes of Lolita, like directly in
this photo shoot.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
Yeah, right, And Lolita is is basically a movie about
a dude in love with like a you know, an
underage girl.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
It's like Prenteen or something like that.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
And it's also obviously like the Lolita Express or even
within anime, there's a there's a subdivision of anime called
Lowly or Lolli. I don't know how it's phonetically pronounced.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Do you know that?

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Because I was doing an episode of Timeline Cleanse and
we were watching a man dressed as a woman who
was a children's school bus driver, and he chose for
his name Lolli or Lowly, and there were some people
that were dropping their kids off that were like they
knew what this meant. And they're looking at this grown
Asian man dressed like a like a child, you know,

(37:01):
a girl, a little girl. He's got like pigtails and
a and a dress or like a skirt, and they're going,
why did you choose that name?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
What do you do in here? You can't beat the
bus driver? Got it? So I'm confused.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
And the chat's like, dude, this is like a one
person's like this has something to do with anime where
they infantilize.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
That might be a word I made up.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
The characters they make them like little little kids, right,
and but that's weird.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
And it's like, well, it's talking about infantilization in filization.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, oh there we go. Somebody knows.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
That's very much.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
That's very much what's going on with Sabrina Carpenter with
like her she's got like this big head and like
the very tiny lollipop body, but like it's it's childish,
Like I'm not I think she's supposed to be attractive
to men, but when I look at her, I just
feel like a little off put.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
She ye, she's a little under Yeah, yeah, it's a
purpose it's a purposeful infantilization. And it's crazy enough that
actually ties directly to Crowley because basically, well, first of all,
well let me yeah, we'll go here. So first of all,
like Crowley's a age of I'm sorry, aon of Horas
right within his pantheon, it's depicted by the crowned child,

(38:13):
and essentially the crowned child is the product of you know,
the divine feminine and the male figure, right and the
crown child. The point of the aon of Horace is
that you are supposed to embody this childlike energy, which
is why Sabrina Carpenter has a fortnite skin, which is
why they have Sabrina Carpenter fucking happy meal, and it's

(38:37):
all the reason that they're going after the children. A
part of it is because it is a harnessing of
the childlike libiddal energy. That's what it is. So the
reason right, like, there's a there's a clip and it's
all over my instagram of Sabrina Carpenter flirting with a
sixteen year old at a concert. So she has this

(38:58):
bit where she will start flirting with a fan and
it's usually a girl right, and the girl says like,
I'm sixteen, like she knows what Sabrina Carpenter is gonna do,
and she just steams past it and starts asking her
if she's horny. She starts asking her all these really
crazy questions. And what that is is it is a

(39:20):
you know, you guys have both been sixteen. I've been sixteen.
When you're a teenager, I blew right past it. I
was born. Yeah, yeah, I skipped that. I skipped that
like a guy lying about skipping fifth grade. I was
sure middle school, right, No. But but like when you're
a hormonal teenager, your brain is fucked up. There's a

(39:41):
ton of energy that is just all over the place,
and they're literally harnessing it by sexualizing, you know, children
and doing all of these things. That's what that is.
It's a literal thelemic harnessing of libidal energy.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
So that's what gets me is going back to what
I was getting towards before. She she claims that she
doesn't know, so when they bring up this whole like
Lolita thing, she's like.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Oh, I didn't know. But then she's doing.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
That shit to the audience members and it's like, I
don't I can't free her of accountability in any way,
shape or for him because when you tell me that,
right that she's doing that bit with the audience members
and she's blowing past the fact that they're sixteen, and
then she's asking if they're you know, horny, Like, dude,
this girl knows exactly that.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
What how?

Speaker 5 (40:23):
I don't believe that you get to be in those
positions without being a pretty remarkable person.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I think I think she does know. I think she
knows on an intimate level. So I did watch your
episode where when you're talking about Rosemary's baby and they're
they're referencing the the crib that would be perfect for
Sabrina and to reference back to like episode one sixty
of our show, we had on Nathaniel Gillis. We also
had on Randy Goodwin who's talking about SRA and they

(40:52):
go into this idea of like necrontics and how this
like during Satanic ritual abuse, some of these elites will
do rituals like you know, kind of like Crowleyistic rituals
to conceive a child, and with like when the mother's pregnant,
there are ceremonies and rituals performed while she's pregnant. They're

(41:13):
performed when the baby is delivered, and it's all to
kind of like encapsulate the baby's soul as if they're
preparing a vessel. And I think they do this. They
do this a lot, and I think that their success
rate is fairly low, like it's it's all nephelm shit.
But when they do find a good vessel, somebody like
a Sabrina carbon and maybe it's just a huge head
or something like that, yeah, then they know and then

(41:35):
this is the person that they're going to push to
the forefront. So I think if they know, she knows
because she's like from birth. If you are the star child,
yeah or whatever you like to call it, moonchild whatever, Yeah,
I think you have to know, and I think that
you're then trained.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
You know who I think is the moon child is
Paris Hilton's baby with the big ass head. That baby's
got a big ass head. There's a lot of room
for spirits in that head.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
I feel like it's And part of the reason I
say that she may not know is just because like
I get so many people who are like, there's no
way she knows, and it's like it's a way to
just be like, well, maybe she doesn't. I don't know,
you know, like there are people who do know, you know.
I I don't think. My point with that is, like
whether she knows or not is it doesn't really matter

(42:20):
because it's what it it's what it is, and it's
what it's presenting itself as, right, like a kind of
crazy thing with me. Actually, that's very tangential.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
My father was signed to Geffen in the nineties and
there was some weird things Geffen Records, David Geffen, it's
now it's now called Inner Scope. Yeah, he was signed
to Geffen. He charged Yeah, Jon Bon Jovie. My dad

(42:50):
was like a big musician. And part of the reason
he left the industry was my mom got pregnant with
me and his manager was like a witch and she
was like trying to do weird shit with my associated
with my birth, and so my dad, Yeah, my dad
left the music industry.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
Wait wait, wait wait wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
Is we're at the forty three minute mark. I just
realized that we've given poor people far too much content,
and now you're talking about something incredibly fascinating and I
can't allow.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Oh yeah, I thought we were on the Patreon, So
I shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
No, No, you have to save it.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
You have to save the gravy for the people who
actually pay, who care a right, not these filthy pores. Wow,
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Speaker 2 (43:39):
So so what are we talking? Go back to the witch?

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Who was a witch one of my dad's managers, one
of his managers. And the reason I'm saying this is
because my dad told me this much later in life.
So my dad was one of the My dad told
me about Project Bluebem when I was eight years old.
I've been I'm doing this shit forever. Okay, cool, Yeah,
my dad's I don't know, I don't know about cool. No,

(44:07):
now he's cool. But no, he told me about this
when I was, you know, in my early twenties. And
this is actually, this is a fucking crazy story. Hand
to God, this is a true story. I'm a Christian.
I would never fucking say han to God if I'm
not telling the truth. One time, my dad was like,
you know what, I'm going to tell you everything and
I was like, okay, I was I was probably about

(44:27):
sixteen or seventeen, and he took me to a restaurant
and we sat down and he started talking and the
power went out in the restaurant and he was like,
I guess I'm not supposed to tell you everything. And
we never spoke about it again, but this is something
that my dad told me. And he did say that
they were trying to do some malacchean esque shit with

(44:52):
me and my birth and that is partially why my
real first name is Isaac. It's not easy. So Isaac Abraham,
the story of Abraham and Isaac were you know, you
guys know the story. So my point is is, you know,
I didn't know that, And that's a super crazy fucking thing.
You have people like Eric Clapton whose son mysteriously dies.

(45:14):
This happens all the time. This happens tons of musicians
in the industry.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
So so you're saying, you're saying that they were asking
your dad to like basically sacrifice you, and he named
you Isaac because didn't go through with it.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
She was like, fuck you guys, basically audible.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Yeah, well that kind of speaks to because you said
the top a moment ago that you think that they're
doing this all the time, but they have a very
low success rate. They probably literally are doing this all
the time, but have a low success rate.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
So this thing, you know that.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
You might not have any idea how many would be
candidates for some sort of archetype that we're talking about
where they were Moonchild, Babylon this or that.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
We spoke with that dude, Randy Goodwin and he's a
he's an SR deliverance minister, so like you know, like
a regular deliverance minister, but deal specifically with satanic ritual abuse.
And I was like, hey, man, if you're doing this
kind of stuff, you must be getting a lot of
heat because you're basically going and you're taking these people
have been working on they've been working on these like

(46:16):
rituals with these specific subjects for a long time. And
he's like yeah, he's like basically though, they come and
I don't know how he explained it, but he's like,
they come and they retrieve their knowledge or like like
whatever training that they put in them. I don't know
how they do this. And he's like, and they're good,
he said, but beside that, as long as like I
just got like, they lose somebody, fine, but they need

(46:36):
to retrieve something from them and then they can move
on with the next subject.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
And it's just.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Very it's a crazy it's a crazy idea right to consider.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's super that's super wild man. Yeah,
I'm really I'm interested in the whole thing because like
when this is like what got me researching all of
this stuff more was when my dad's me this and
you know, I was involved in the music industry too.
I was in a band, I had a management deal
and all this other crazy cool stuff, you know, and

(47:08):
I had really bad substance abuse problems, so it didn't
work out. But just seeing this and seeing the patterns
constantly with so many artists and then knowing sort of
the inside side of it that I know from my
dad and everything, it's just really yeah, it's just really
really crazy. Like I think that there's a lot of

(47:29):
bloodline shit going on as well. Like you guys asked
a question on Twitter the other day and it was like,
what's your favorite conspiracy theory? And one of mine has
to do with my dad and I I don't know
how true it is, Like it's it's very uh, it's
very much just like a joke kind of topic amongst
my family. But my dad in his up until he's

(47:53):
about mid thirties looked I fucking fucking identical to Jim Morrison.
I mean, if you showed, if I you two photos
of him and Jim Morrison, you wouldn't even know the difference.
You literally couldn't tell the difference. And my dad actually
almost played Jim Morrison in Oliver Stone's depiction of the Doors.
He was actually one of the original people that was

(48:13):
going to be cast over whatever the guy's name is
because my dad looks so much like him. And the
joke is that is that my dad is Jim Morrison's
illegitimate son because my grandmother lived in a town that
he used to frequent when he would along route to
C six when he would drive his Mustang. And so

(48:35):
I think they're super obsessed with bloodlines. They're super obsessed
with that shit. They're they love the they also love
the idea of knowing things that the public doesn't know
because there's some sort of uh inversion trickery going on there.
It's a lot of it.

Speaker 7 (48:52):
Yeah, can I ask you, you know, going back to
this whole Babylon spirit that supposedly Sabrina Carpenter is embodied.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
And you know, I'd like you to walk us through
a little bit about the things that queued you off
to that, and then I'd like to get into what
the implications of it are, because we're talking about like
the divine feminine, which sounds like, you know, great for women.
Right if you were a chick listening to this, you're like, oh, yeah,
that's what we need. We need the realm to be
ruled by the divine feminine because women have been suppressed

(49:23):
in this and that.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
So so what are the implications of it?

Speaker 5 (49:25):
But before we get there, what else queued you into
this idea that she is, you know, this character.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
So a lot of it, you know, has to do
with the Jack Parsons, the working Babylon thing, and a
lot of it just has to do with the various
tie ins to like like throughout Sabrina Carpenter's career. So like, uh,
you know, she has all these music videos like I
was saying, that are tied to MK Ultra, that have

(49:53):
all of these undertones of you know, various different I
guess things ding Pink Pony Club, that's Chapel roone.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
Okay, right, because I saw somebody in the comments say that,
I was like, that's a song for Hose.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
No, yeah, definitely, that's funny. But yeah, it's like so
part of it was like the eyes Wide open title
to her first thing. A ton of her videos were
actually shot in elks lodges that were you know, free
Masonic and owned by you know, various secret fraternal orders.

(50:30):
There's also this like really weird pattern of extreme violence
in her music videos. So in one of the music videos,
as I was talking about, there was her being MK ultured.
There was four individuals, four men who were administering the
mk ulturing.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
In the video.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
The next music video that came out after, she's like
dancing in a church and there's four coffins representing one
of each of the men. One time she made she
had a custom shirt made that had a quote from
Lucifer from Paradise Lost on it that I thought was
like super weird. And the quote from Lucifer it's the

(51:12):
first thing that he says in the book and it's
essentially a call to arms for all of the demons
in in the book. So essentially, right when Lucifer falls
and he rises up and he's like he tells the
demons basically like are you gonna be a bunch of pussies?
Or are you gonna get up and fight with me?
And like We're gonna rule Earth. It's basically what it is.

(51:36):
Another one was before one of her music videos. The
titling is the exact same font as the titling in
Rosemary's Baby. It's the same exact font. And come to
find out, what ends up happening in Rosemary's Baby right
at the end is so you guys know, the little

(51:58):
girl is abducted at the end of rose Mary's Baby, right, Yeah, Yeah,
she's abducted by the people who are following Tom Cruise
and the other lady around. There's also the Tom Cruise
connection with scientology. There's the article that's written saying she's
going to be the next Tom Cruise. Very interesting. But
essentially in Rosemary's Baby, at the very end of it,

(52:21):
there is this bacinet, right, and this bacinet is on
the poster of Rosemary's Baby. It's like the main focus
that's on there. And essentially the little girl runs over
to her mom and she's pointing at this bacinet that's

(52:42):
from Rosemary's Baby, which is you know, the font that's
on the music video, and she goes, oh, mom, we
can fit Sabrina in there. And she points over to
this bacinet and it's like this super weird, like okay,
and Sabrina is the name that she gives this doll
that she doesn't own but that she wants her mother
to buy her. That is the Barbie nineteen ninety six

(53:06):
sugar Plum Fairy doll. Right well, later in Sabrina Carpenter,
she has her own Christmas special on Netflix. And during
this Christmas special, she's like doing normal things and then
all of a sudden, the video pauses and she's like
holding a knife and she's staring at the knife, and

(53:27):
the ballad of the Sugar Plum Fairy starts playing. It's
the name of the song that starts playing behind her,
and she's like entranced by this knife, and it's just
like it's literally dozens and dozens of connections like that,
like constantly, Okay.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
I gotta ask you, and I'm not looking for, you know,
a straightforward answer here, but it is what's on my
mind is it's obviously not Sabrina Carpenter, who's orchestrating all
of this right and to do that level of like callback.
You know, we're talking about something that transcends generations, and
oftentimes I will say that if you ask me who

(54:06):
is pulling the strings, it's all spiritual, because there's no
man that would be alive to see the fruits of
his labor. Because so many of these things you want
to talk about callbacks outside of movies and music, you'll
get callbacks that just happened on the world stage, but
they're calling back to something that took place one hundred
or two hundred or thousands of years ago, and it's
like there's no I mean, yeah, there are shady organizations

(54:27):
that are all jocking for power and things of that nature,
but this all feels that it's moved by a spirit
that is ancient and doesn't die or hasn't died, you
know yet, and is still kind of moving the chess
pieces around. What do you think is going on there? Like?
Who in the hell is I think in music videos
like nothing is out of place, nothing is put there accidentally.

(54:50):
Everything is done with intention, and there's people that are
hired to do it and they're paid quite a bit
of money to do it.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Like, how is this happening?

Speaker 1 (54:57):
The T shirt that he's talking about is almost a
it's it's a huge it's a huge tell. It's like
they have to tell you where they're not. He's not
talking about demons. I don't think loocifer. I think he's
talking to other fallen angels.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Yeah that's what Yeah, that's what I meant to say. Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Oh yeah yeah. So these these entities are the ones
that are like kind of this is the underpinning. This
is why it's called nefhl and desk whah, this is
why we're constantly looking at this stuff because obviously the
Nefhli come from the fallen angel and this plan, this
long plan to the end of days is is orchestrated
by these guys. So it's like, yeah, it's almost are
like telling you directly, this is the marching order that

(55:35):
I've gotten, will you follow? And it's just crazy. It's
crazy at the timeline that word, because she's just they're
just out there saying it out loud, and it doesn't
seem like anybody cares or cares to notice.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
See, I feel like it's so it's interesting and I'll
answer but all the questions. But like, I feel like
it's not so much that nobody cares. People like me care, right,
But it's it's so crazy and it's so quote unquote
coincidental that it's so easy for people to be like, oh,
they just brush it off because it is easier to

(56:08):
live within the realm of fallen archetypes and fake fake,
everything's fake. I'm happy with my fucking goy slop. I'm
happy with the trash. It's that's easy. It's you know,
it's really hard. What's really hard is to look at
the artists that you might like and say, oh, this
is a literal, spiritual war for my eternal being, my

(56:33):
eternal soul. Like that's a pretty hard thing to do.
That cognitive dissonance literally destroys people, and it's so much
easier to go, man, that's that's fucking that's fake. You know,
it's so easy, you know what I mean, And it's
it's really annoying, but it's like, that's what these people do.
And I think to sort of answer your question, like,
is it people meticulously placing every little thing and every

(56:58):
little part of the video and we're gonna use this
font because it's a callback. I don't first of all,
I don't think it matters if it's a meticulous, intentional
thing or if it's not. If it is this amorphous
sort of spiritual thing that it just happens, right like
almost like dominoes, right like the first domino has been set,

(57:20):
the first one's been knocked over, and there is just
this spiritual thing where things just happen. I think I
believe that reality is quantum, so I think it's both.
I think that there are these people who do know,
and then I think that there are people who might
not necessarily know, but they're being guided by this sort
of intuition, right Like I'm a musician, I'm an artist.

(57:42):
I make artistic choices that I don't know what is
necessarily leading them all the time, and then sometimes I
might figure it out later, and sometimes I don't. Right,
But I think that that takes a prolific amount of discernment,
and I think that everybody, most people don't have that,

(58:03):
you know, But I I think I think there's a
lot going on with it. And I do know one thing.
Good artists are extremely intentional. Everything is the way it
is for a reason. So I think to fiend ignorance
on her part when she goes like I didn't know
that I don't know about the like a Lalita. That's stupid, right,

(58:27):
Like obviously she has a creative director team and they
know somebody knows somewhere. But I think at the end
of the day, I think it's quantum. I have a
weird outlook on reality.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
So I got a question for you as as a
music I'm a musician as well, but like a not
to the level you. I just play guitar, But how
many how many of your thoughts do you think are
your own?

Speaker 4 (58:55):
None? Yeah, probably, probably, probably none of them. I think
that when I'm truly let's like look at this. I'll
answer this in a couple ways. When I'm truly artistically
creating music, I think that there are various h morphous

(59:19):
things that are trying to come out, you know, like
different voices. But I know, like when I'm doing this,
I have a joke on my soundboard. I have like
a little button eye press and it says like Holy
Spirit activates like a little meme. And because I literally
think like some of this research that I do it
is so crazy how things come together. It could be

(59:42):
nothing else other than a holy spirit, divine thing, like
there's no way, like like truly, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
No, I think that that's fair. That's something that we
talk about a lot. It's a hard question. Yes, Yeah,
we kick around the idea that like eighty percent of
your thoughts are not your own thoughts. Interesting to say
that that it could potentially be zero, But I mean,
you know, the other thing that we talk about constantly
is that artists throughout history have always channeled this or

(01:00:12):
that right in Greek mythology, it was the Muses. One
of the things we like to say is that what
was this guy's name, Santana, Carlo Santana says that he's
channeling Metatron right when he's when he's making his music.
I think that was like a famous Time magazine interview
or something like that. And then you only need to
look at all of the various artists musicians who have

(01:00:35):
an alter ego that takes place while they're on stage.
Right Beyonce, he's got Sasha Fears, or even even Eminem
had an interesting thing. It was like in his album Relapse,
he had a song I Forgot what it was called.
It was either three am or or my darling. But
he like he names it and he calls it Rainman.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Oh, Rayman is jay z as well. I mean, yeah,
Don has brought that up. Yes, that's a fairly common entity.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, which if you look up.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
I remember there was something that I latched onto and
I got a definition for rain Man. And I don't know,
I have in my mind this Lovecraftian thing, this yog
soo thought and the Thirteen Globes, and I'm not sure
if that's actually it, but either way, like the Thirteen
Globes were these entities, and one of them was rain Man.
He had a different name, but it was the same

(01:01:24):
characters supposedly in either way, he was responsible for moving
great deals of money across the earth. And also I
think like fame and you know, shit like that. But
I go, oh, that's interesting. That seems like an apt
one for Hollywood. So my point is it's interesting that
you say that is it feels like a bunch of
things are trying or jocking for position to try to

(01:01:45):
get in. You're the filter that they passed through. They
want to manifest in this reality one way or another.
They can't create. They could only inspire, and so it's
fascinating you say that it's all very deliberate. It has
to be deliberate, because if not, it is like it's
like what do they do that like automatic writing or
automatic drawing, where like people will channel a thing and

(01:02:05):
they'll close their eyes and they'll just move the pan
around that, you know, the paper. Next thing, you know,
some art emerges and it's like, well that is the
definition of it, ain't you, homie, something else is moving
through you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Yeah, no, that's oh yeah, this is like a perfect
segue into uh what I got too, So like, yeah,
first of all, what you're saying is interesting because that's
how I got the nickname Izzy. Was like when I
was in my band. My band was called the Slumps,
and you know when I was I was the front
man and I used to be able to like I
was a fucking maniac dude. I could drink literally like

(01:02:36):
forty beers. You know. She's like, so my nickname came from.
They were like, oh, you're like Izzy is born because
you could drink like Ozzy kind of a joke. That
was the joke, And that's how I became easy. But
like currently, this project I'm writing is like I'm writing
about me and when I used to use drugs and
when I was an addict. So it's like I call
it the gargoyle. So it's like if I'm writing these

(01:02:57):
like low vibrational songs about like like like I just
up a song about cocaine and it's like not promoting
cocaine use, but I'm talking about this part of me
that used to do a lot of fucking blow dude.
Like you know, it's like the gargoyle that's within me. Still.
I'm sober now, but it's like that's still in there.
Like I could go on a bender right now, like
that that exists, and it would be dishonest to not

(01:03:18):
act like it's not in there, right But you know,
it's interesting because one thing that there's like the master
of the music industry, Rick Rubin, right, and Rick Rubin
in his book that I have right here, the creative
act a way of being okay, and it's a way
of being what a weird way to talk about creating.

(01:03:40):
It's all about making art. And what I've done with
his book is I've actually gone through and I have
traced all of the different ideologies that he talks about
in this book to occult and esoteric teachings. So I've
done that. The whole book is just like I was
saying earlier about Crowley just rebranding the occult. This is

(01:04:03):
this book is the same thing. But what Rick Rubin
talks about, the key thing he talks about is emptying
yourself as a vessel and then channeling what he calls source.
So it's just like you're saying, like, how many thoughts
do you believe are yours? Well, we have the guy

(01:04:24):
who's considered one of the greatest producers, if not the
greatest record producer of all time, talking about how he
tells artists to empty themselves into channel source. How many
of these artists do you think are truly capable of
channeling God? Right? Like, do you think that fucking jay

(01:04:46):
Z could sit down in pure silence and channel God?

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
Dude?

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
I don't really think that that's happening. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
So, well, that's an interesting thing too, because then it
gets into the idea of meditation and uh not the
meditation and yoga and why these practices you know, they're
commonly frowned upon by Christian by the Christian community.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Clear your mind, clear your mind to your vessel exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Well, I mean, listen, as a Christian, you're supposed to
be consistently filled with the Holy Spirit. If you're not,
then you will be filled by something else. But is true,
So you're consistently I mean, you know, this is what
they talk about. You're consistently having to fill up your
cup because if you're not filled, something else will slide

(01:05:32):
in there. And it's just it's really funny because I
know Rick Rubin doesn't I don't even think he knows
much about music or plays it, plays an instrument. He's
just a dude. So it's just odd.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Yeah, you know, it's funny. I said that in one
of my videos, and I had like three thousand spergs.
Like he actually played guitar on the Beastie Boys track
What I'm On the on the album, he does play guitar,
which is like, that's not even the point. The point
is that, So then why did he sit down with
Anderson Cooper and tell the whole planet he doesn't play
any instruments, right, Like yeah, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
It's a too just to shit on guitar players like myself.
If you play guitar, most guitar players don't understand music.
It's just a series of patterns and chord shapes that
they can play. Most do not understand the theory behind it.
To go and understand the theory behind it, Like a
piano player is more more likely to understand this because

(01:06:22):
they're actually looking at this and doing the math of
what music is and putting these things together. Guitar is like,
it's it shapes, its chords, it's scales that you can,
like if you're on the fifth friend and you could
play the minor pentatonic, you're in you know whatever key,
slide it up and down. You don't really have to
know what you're doing, and it's it's kind of messed up.
So whatever, Just to shit on Rick Rubin a little
bit more. All Right, you played a couple.

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
Of on us.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you're the guy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
You're the music producer, all right, yeah right yeah, And
it's like, you know, it's it's really interesting because like
the way I look at Rubin is what he does. Right,
So let's say he's telling these artists to empty the
vessel blah blah blah. Right, We're talking earlier about archetypes
and the way that like Carl Jung talks about the

(01:07:09):
archetypes is there. Essentially they exist underneath our ego, underneath consciousness.
They exist under like if you're picturing an iceberg. Right,
there's consciousness, there's the subconscious, then there's the collective unconscious
underneath that. He believes within the collective unconscious is where
these archetypes lie. And the archetypes are essentially what connect

(01:07:32):
all of us, right, we all have these archetypal experiences
that connect us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
I believe that what Rick Rubin is trying to do
is he's trying to get these artists to tap in
to this realm of archetypes so that way the music
is better. Right. So like just like a comedian, if
a comedian tells a joke, the funniest jokes are the
ones that we relate to. Right, The best music is
when you hear it, you go, oh, I fucking I

(01:07:58):
know what he's taught. I can really relate to that.
It's like a relatability. And the interesting thing that I
found out with Rick Rubin is he's trying to tap
into this realm of archetypes, right, And I think that
it really worked for a really long time until recently
and I think what ended up happening is is as
we moved into this age of Aquarius, as I was

(01:08:20):
talking about earlier, into this what I call the metaeon
of Lucifer, right, what ended up happening is he can't
reach that realm of archetypes anymore because it's changed. So
what's happening is the archetypes are now becoming shells and
they're becoming diseased versions of themselves. Right, So if we

(01:08:42):
look at the tree of Life, the cabalistic tree of
life that has these archetypes, the inverse of that is
the cleipothic tree of death, right with these disease archetypes. Now,
Rick Rubin cannot tap into this realm of archetypes. He
has to tap into a realm of the diseased archetypes
to get the music sounding better, so that way people

(01:09:04):
can actually relate to it. Because the archetypes we all
know aren't the same any longer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
They need a reset, They need like a great research,
like a great They desperately need a reset because they
have You're right, They've perverted things to such a level
that like, yeah, these archetypes are degraded. You can't tell
the story of the Lion King anymore, Like they retell it,
but it has to have this uh like you know, divine,
feminine in it, and it doesn't. It doesn't make sense anymore.

(01:09:31):
I think people at their at their base level, understand
the they understand the archetype, they understand the story. But
when you start to pervert it, they hear it, but
it doesn't resonate as soundly as it did before.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
Yeah, I think the apex of that was like we
did Lord of the Rings and then it was like
it's done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah, we've done. After that, there's no more. You can't
retell this story.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
I wonder I think the apex I was actually talking
to a guy at the coffee shop. I think the
apex was nine to eleven. I think that was a
great story, great story. No, but like that that ritual
was when everything kind of fractured like that that time,
specific time in the world. Then you had like a
huge blood sacrifice of millions of people in Iraq. We

(01:10:14):
also uncovered some you know a artifacts and like stargates
and shit in Iraq. So who knows what happened after that,
But like that's the defining moment in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
It's interesting too, because in some ways the veil dropped
off after that, where it started to become very obvious,
like I wonder is your thoughts on these characters that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
You know what's also interesting, very like schizophrenic of me?

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Please?

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Well, actually I have two schizophrenic thoughts. Okay, First one,
the veil thinning or almost tearing reminds me of like,
you know, Jesus dying, the veil tears in the temple.
And then I think of Sabrina carpenter, Jesus a carpenter,
completely schizophrenic.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
No, no, no, you know it's funny, you know it's funny.
She literally okay, when she did that video in the
Catholic church, she got the priest fired of the church,
and her joke was, well, Jesus was a carpenter. That's
what she said. That's what she said when the public
came after her. The public came after and she said, well,
Jesus was a carpenter. Yeah, sorry, sorry, no, No, they're
doing all kinds of weird ship. They had that bald

(01:11:14):
black chick doing She's Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Now I've seen that. I've been trying not to even know.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
Yeah, because I just like I recognize everything is designed
to upset me, and I don't want to get into.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
But one more thing before the completely is it schizophrenic?
Completely schizophrenic. I want to ask you guys, though, are
all of your clocks wrong? Like I haven't seen a
fucking clock in the last couple of weeks, that is correct.
It's been the craziest ship. Like we were at jiu
jitsu with the kids. Their clock is wrong. From the
clock on my phone. My clock in my car is off,
my dad's clock is off. This this clock is off.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Yeah, it's interesting. My clock is time different.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
That's great, dude, that's a great observation.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Holy shit, my my computer at home is off from
my cell phone, but they're both hooked up to the internet.
Why well, I've literally stopped looking at clocks and I
just I wake up in the morning, I say, God,
what time?

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
I look at this on him like, where's it? I say,
where is the sun in the sky? And then I say,
is that even the correct sun? I go, geeah, which
what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Is that? The pale yellow one?

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
There's two of them now of a sun dial right,
So speaking of the veil dropping right, and it's like
all of the illusions are kind of shitty now thinning, right,
all of a sudden, the music industry goes, you know what, witches,
and they just give you Marina Abramovic and then they
give you this other bitch with the dark she's got

(01:12:28):
black fingers, Michelle let.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yeah, so so what do.

Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
You what what is the point in toning them out
to the public in your opinion? And what greater implication
do these women have in the music industry. Is this
just like a mask off moment or are we meant to.

Speaker 4 (01:12:41):
Belie show that? Yeah? So like, okay, so in this
age that we've we're so blessed to live in. Uh So,
it's Lucifer is the light bearer. He's the light bringer, right,
it's the illumination. Everything's being illuminated. These ideas are everything
I'm talking about right now. In five ten years, these

(01:13:03):
will be top these will be this will be like
YouTube jargon. People will know this shit I'm telling you
right now. And the reason that they're being touted out
is because it's the illumination of everything that's behind the veil. Right,
That's what it is. It's it's it's knowledge, it's a
false light. Right, We're gonna we're gonna start seeing the spirituality.
It's gonna be like new New Age where it's gonna

(01:13:26):
be exactly what I'm talking about, and people are going
to look at this as the light that is the
light Bear. It's gonna be the light that people see
as the truth. But really what it is is it's
this synthetic false light. Well, the light that Lucifer brought, right,
it's a it's a it's a torch. It's not you know,
it's not the sun. The sun is the real lie, right,

(01:13:48):
And that's sort of what kabbola is. Kabbola is a
false light. It's a it's a fallen human depiction, human
explanation via magic of what God is is, right, that's
what the kabbola is. And now we're existing within the
cliff off, which is the inverse of that, right, which
is now we have archetypes of the matrix that are

(01:14:11):
existing within real life.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
So much so, so much so that like Rick Rubin,
literally he has a website called Tetragrammaton. Do you know
what tetragrammaton means? I'm guessing you, guys do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
My cousin mentioned he's like a he was a devout
Jehovah's witness, and he mentions the tetragrammathon grammaton a bit,
but I'm not sure what it exactly what it means.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
It sounds like a geometry terminology.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
It's like a depiction of God almost right from what
I was trying. I was trying to understand him, but
I'm not quite sure. So break this down for us.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
Yeah, So the tetragrammaton, it's it's that it's the tetragrammaton
is the true name of God, right, and it's the
Hebrew name that is anywhere from four to ninety six
syllables long. And there are sort of like the these rumors,
these like ideas that if you say the full thing,

(01:15:04):
you can literally bring things to life. There's a lot
of a lot of stories about that kind of stuff, right.

Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
Yeah, he's just listening to this idea about writing the
name of God on the forehead of a golam and
and animating the golam.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Yeah, that's that's what this is. Away, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
But he starts this this project, this blog called Tetragrammaton, right,
and I'm I'm looking at it, and I'm reading this
blog and it's also like a podcast, you know, where
he interviews Peter Teel, which is fucking weird and not
ties it in later to much other shit that I have.
But basically it's a it's sort of like a coven.
And he started hiring all of these occultists to write

(01:15:45):
for this blog right called Tetragrammaton, and it's essentially they're
trying to uncover the different sides of God using the
occult like they're trying to understand the sides of God.
So he has this one guy in particular, who I
call the new Alistair Crowley. His name is Chris Gabriel.

(01:16:06):
I've spoken to him, very nice guy, super nice to me.
I have nothing negative to say. He's very nice to me. Yeah,
and so what Chris has done is he, like Crowley,
has created his own mythos and his own pantheon of

(01:16:28):
the the new diseased, fallen archetypes. So he has his
own pantheon of this to describe these new archetypes that
are existing around us within a look up meme analysis,
I'm sorry he is. He has a YouTube channel called
meme Analysis. Okay, yeah, and so but what Rick Rubin

(01:16:51):
has done is Rick Rubin has hired him, and he writes,
you know, these pieces.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
About uh Asian looking dude uh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah
dudes like really really smart, really no, really brilliant, like
like truly really knows as shit and uh but yeah,
Like he's working with Rick Rubin and they're trying to
like tap into this new cliffothic realm of these diseased archetypes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
And I personally believe that that is really what is
being injected into this new music is like we're the
music now, Like you've heard the term coworker music.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
No oh oh yeah yeah, like safer work music in
other words.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
Okay, yeah, Like it's it's kind of a meme. It's
kind of a joke, Like the music is it's like
music your coworker would listen to, because like your coworkers
always listen to music you don't like, right, that's the joke.
And this it's this idea that like all of the
music now is coworker music. We have people like Sabrina Carpenter,
like we have Chapel Roone, Pink Pony club Girl, we

(01:17:58):
have Benson Boon, these artists where everything looks right, like
everything looks like it should work like on paper. If
I wrote down all the attributes of Sabrina Carpenter on
paper and was like, hey, read this, does this sound
like a pop star? You'd be like, yeah, right. But
because we're in this like inversed, these archetypes are diseased

(01:18:21):
and nothing works. It just like doesn't feel right right,
So it doesn't connect to real true people like us
who understand reality. We have this idea of God and
we have these sort of more antiquated traditional ideas on
reality we existed before the Internet. Like the new fifteen

(01:18:41):
year olds who are loving Sabrina Carpenter, they're loving this
like fallen thing that we can't even connect to I
wrap our heads around because it is archetypically completely something
we can't even spiritually comprehend.

Speaker 5 (01:18:57):
That's really interesting because I've been like, what is the hype?
I don't understand the hype. I don't understand the when
it comes to the quality of the music, even how
how like beautiful she's supposed to be. I'm like, she's
you know, I don't want to get behind the meme
of being like she's made right, because that's like everybody,
every everything now is like she's made she's a pretty girl.
I'm not saying she's not pretty, but it's like I

(01:19:19):
expect more from Babylon, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
I think what is he describing is like the idea
of God. There was a lady again today at the
coffee shop and she she got involved with the conversation.
She asked me like what is God? Like what is God?
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
What do you And that feels loaded? Is she trying
to get you?

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
I was like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Sheould have kicked her in the chest, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
I kind of got short with her and I was like,
God's the truth, it's the logos, it's the word. It
is uh, you'll know it when you see it kind
of thing. And I think that with this music, like
like is he's describing here you're listening to I'm listening
to the music, and I'm extremely perceptive of it, like
not just like on a on like a like a
music construction sort of way where I can like, you know,

(01:20:03):
I'll do it. I'll break this stuff down and I'll
be like ah, just like it's just more goy slop,
but there's a there's like some music that will move
you and it moves you because at the very core
of it, whatever it is, it could even be pretty simple,
like you know, music musically simple, but at the core
of it, it's true. Something about it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Is, something is.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
It's inspired by God, so you could tell what is
and what isn't, Like, you know, what does that for me?
The Hallelujah version from Shrek One Man that moves me,
Dude's Kanye.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Is Kanye's album Jesus Is King. A lot of that does.
I'm like, I don't know why, but like, because I
usually have a good sense of especially Christian music, I'm like,
I don't know. Some of this stuff feels a little
bit like in.

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
The Box when we were we were at the other
service and they were they had the missionaries from from
Puerto Rico and and and that girl was singing and
like there was like two songs where.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
I was like, these are legitimate bangers, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
They were really good And it wasn't like the music
was tremendously executed, but it was like, damn, they're doing
the thing, and that feels inspired by God. And then
there's other crap it just feels like it was it's
inspired by a machine.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Well, that's the thing. It's formulaic.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
What we're getting now is it's like it's like like
like is he's describing it's such a crazy thought. It's
a it's a description of a concept that is like
a facade right in front of it. So like if
God is the truth here behind it, they've now created
these archetypes that should point back and reflect to what
God is because all of these things are true within
the human condition. But now we have a full like

(01:21:32):
new set of them. Now we've got like sixteen of them,
and they're all.

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
Fake and so what they've co opted the archetypes and
they're trying to get them to point back to them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Well, they're trying desperately to get them to make sense.
And I wonder if they can't. They can get them
to make sense. I think you can, dude, but it's good.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Sorry, sorry, They
can get them to make sense to a group of
people indoctrinated enough to think that this is true, and
they're I think that they're getting close to that. Well,
and that's what's gonna happen, right, Like all of like
it makes sense to the you know zoomer or even

(01:22:11):
like the gen alpha kid who only understands like friendship
through the Internet, Like that kind of stuff makes sense
to them. Like if I ask a fourteen year old kid,
like why does Travis Scott have a fucking McDonald's meal,
He's like why wouldn't he? You know, Like that's that's
what they get it right. Like I was a teacher

(01:22:33):
for years. I was a teacher, and I worked with teenagers,
and like I could literally see like it happened during COVID.
I could see the shift and like the light of
the kid's eyes was gone. It was a it was
a total one point eighty from like when I started teaching,
and I was like, Oh, this is fucked. I have

(01:22:55):
to get out of education. I can't do this anymore
because it's your teaching a fake version of the fake
version of reality to these kids that won't even acknowledge
the truth. They won't even they won't even they don't
even want it. Like so it's like it's just like
you're saying, like God is truth. And you know, I'm

(01:23:19):
not like a Kabbalist or anything. I'm not like somebody
who practices magic, but I understand why people think the
Kabbolah or even the archetypes. They think that that is
the truth. That's like, that is a fallen depiction of
trying to explain the truth, right, And so for so
long that worked, doing this kabbalistic magic worked, trying to

(01:23:44):
tap into this archetype's worked. It doesn't work anymore because
we've moved into a new age where it's the inverse
of that. So the fallen version of that is what
works now, and that's just going to continue to fractal out,
and what is going to be seen as truth and
as light is going to continue to become more and

(01:24:05):
more synthetic as time goes on, until like we're a
dying breed. This is gonna end, This will be over right,
this is gonna be like when we die and then
our kids, maybe even our kids die, Right, it's just
gonna it's going to continue, and it's just gonna become
more and more bastardized as time goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Right, Well, that's the idea, is that that's what they want.

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
Yeah, everybody's done this from like Wally, remember Wally the
the Depixar movie, or even Mother Horse Eyes we're listening
to recently. But the dystopian future is everybody is hooked
up to some sort of synthetic reality, and it's like,
you know, everything is chasing that dragon of like how
close can you get it? How close can you fine
tune it and tweak it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Is there? Smells? Can you feel it? Does it feel right?
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:24:49):
Like everything is gonna be about emulating and creating.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
This this this fake reality.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
But I want to ask you, is he what are
the implications of this like Sabrina Carpenter thing?

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:25:00):
So if we're if we're trying to bring in archetypes
that Aleister Crowley has coined, which are really just the
rebranding of old archetypes or old entities, right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
What's the what's the endgame in this?

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Where does this all go? If like Crowley has his way.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
Like specifically with Sabrina Carpenter or just in general.

Speaker 5 (01:25:21):
Well, I mean it's like, okay, you bring into this
realm Babylon or you think you've done that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
What then is the move? Do you just go like
all right, boys, we did it, high five? Or is
she meant to do something? See?

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
That's the thing is it's like you're talking about this
guy like Crowley was this individual who like, let's think
about what Thelema was, right, Thelima, the main ideologies behind Thelema,
it's literally to fall like that will be done. Is

(01:25:56):
literally this idea with in Thelema. I'm sorry, do is
thou wilt? I'm sorry I got that completely mixed up.
Do is thou wilt? Is the slogan of Thelema. So
the idea is to literally commune with your higher holy
guardian angel as he called it, to find your true
will and to do your will. That is like what

(01:26:16):
Thelima was, right. So when it comes to them trying
to bring about Babylon or trying to sort of summon
these deities, the idea with Babylon is that she precursors
the Beast, right, which is he called himself the Beast.
So I really I think it's supposed to precursor some

(01:26:40):
sort of apocalyptic thing. I don't really know. And is
that what the goal with Sabrina Carpenter? I really, I
really don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
That's what I see with the beasts system when when
that's mentioned, that's like end time prophecy stuff. But what
we have right now is this divine fem this very
powerful feminine push, and we also see like a it's
almost like a result. It's obviously it's synthetic because it's
a result of the masculine and in response to this

(01:27:11):
divine feminine, we are now getting this hyper masculinized Uh,
that's not even a word like an Andrew Tate type
of person that is pushing back and it's it's basically
feminism for men. And that to me looks a lot
like what would be integrated into something like the Beast system,
because the b system is much it's it's it's a
more masculine aspect to what we have now.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
Well, that's like, uh, what what what Donnie Darkin uses
Donnie Darkan he used to say that, you know, what
we're looking at is the beast's system overthrowing the Harlot system.
The beast is killing the harlot and it's interesting because.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
The harlot's still strong.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Well, we've gotten this.

Speaker 5 (01:27:51):
So so feminine or the divine feminine is often associated
with chaos. You have chaos in order, right, the upward
triangle the downward triangle. So chaos is where creation happens,
but it's also where destruction happens. Right, It's the that
those are the two polar ends of it, and then
with the divine masculine, you have like, uh, maybe you
could call it like order and maintenance, right, where like

(01:28:13):
maintenance is good. So so the positive of the feminine
creates and then the positive of the masculine maintains.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
But then there's like order, which.

Speaker 5 (01:28:23):
Is like you know, you're going into totalitarianism, like uh,
like actual fascism.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Right, So that's what we're that's what we're being asked for.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
Right, So to ask for in response to the negative
aspect of the feminine, which was chaos. So we've gotten
that chaos for all of this time, and it's interest.
Its on the White House lawn. They're cutting your kids,
dicks off, all kinds of you know, super cool shit
like that. And now we've been given this desire for
like Hitlerism, right, that was fed to us by the

(01:28:52):
algorithm on Twitter, or it was suppressed initially, and now
it's allowed to that that dialogue is allowed to take place.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
It's allowed to take place on Twitter. I saw you recently.

Speaker 5 (01:29:01):
Is he talking about Hyperborian And I would like to
get into that because I think that that is important
in this discussion. But now we're moving towards this like
hyper hatred of Jews and this desire for a strong man.
In fact, in very many ways, I think it's what
won Donald Trump the election again, Right, it was like
you need that destructive feminine force of chaos and then

(01:29:25):
you need the order aspect of masculinity to come in,
and that comes in the form of a strong man,
somebody like Hitler. So it's interesting to me that we
all get Trump back in office at the same time
that we're all on Twitter making positive Hitler memes.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Do you think the Horror of Babylon was depicted by
Taylor Swift not too long ago, and she's just kind
of like like we've moved on, like they always have
a wrong place.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
That's kind of a hard that's a hard question to
answer because like that's sort of what Crowley's idea about
Babylon is is. It's like because all he did with
his mythology was he like just like bastardized a bunch
of Biblical ideas, Right, So it's like the same like
like Babylon is literally like a sort of tweaked version

(01:30:13):
of the Horror of Babylon. That's like what it is,
and it's so funny because like all these like occultists
are so they're so fucking unoriginal, right, that's like what
all of them do. But I wouldn't be surprised, and
maybe you know, Sabrina Carpenter's role is to just replace
her in this sort of you know music realm, right,
because like the way that I view the music industry

(01:30:34):
is it is literally the modern day secular priest class
that guys is itself as secular, but it's constantly injecting
these occult themes, these esoteric ideologies. So yeah, like it
it could be that she's the physical representation of this

(01:30:55):
deity for you know, kind of like what you're saying
to bring chaos. I mean, we've been talking about it
for an hour and a half, you know what I mean,
Like that's it's yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:31:04):
I think there was a time when when that character
was Beyonce. Beyonce was like that, you know, the head bitch.
And then we literally saw that ritual take place on
stage with the Kanye West Taylor Swift debacle where Taylor
Swift is like in a white dress, which humiliation ritual. Yeah,
kind of like a humiliation ritual, but it was like

(01:31:25):
it was her moment, right. So, so she's on stage
in a white dress, she's accepting her award. She is
humiliated because Kanye West gets on stage. It was like
the Best Music Video award. Kanye goes you know, this
bitch had the greatest music video of all time, and
it embarrasses her or shames or humiliates her on the
world stage. Then she goes out, she has a costume change.
She comes back on the stage and she is now

(01:31:45):
the scarlet woman. She's dressed in red. And then Taylor
Swift holds that shit down for you know, like a decade,
it feels like and then maybe, yeah, maybe Sabrina Carpenter
is just that character.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
Now there's a theory that we have, i mean from
Ed Maybury when where you're talking about the anti Chris
or maybe even all of these biblical figures. The horror
babbyl on these people that are supposed to be in
place for end times. He thinks that they are consistently
in place because nobody knows the time or the hour,
so it always has to be it has to be

(01:32:15):
that guy, Like, there's a person to fill the role
of anti chrysm right now and that's probably Elon Musk
or something like that, or Donald Trump. You know, they're interchangeable.
So these people are just in place, set there, and
then you know, when the moon doesn't line up, the
stars don't line up, they go to the next person
that's the correct agent. It's just a continual cycle of flesh.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
That's that's so crazy you brought up Ed Mayberry because
I'm literally like going through his catalog right now. I
started it yesterday because his uh, what he says is
so fucking on point. That's so funny. That's such an
odd synchronicity.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
He's been on the show like fifty times, so it's.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
Not yeah dude, no he yeah, that guy rules student.
But yeah, I could totally see that in that that
makes complete sense. I think. I think Ed Mayberry is
like sort of the key to a lot of my stuff,
tying in, you know and making a lot more because
there's a lot of loose ends. Like I do the
really great research and I and I have all of
these really strong points and now like what I'm kind

(01:33:15):
of trying to do is I'm trying to tie it
all together with my own sort of esoteric explanation, you know,
in a Christian lens to kind of clean it all up.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
But you've got to talk to him. We can, we
can put you.

Speaker 5 (01:33:27):
Ed's a personal friend, he's he's on the show all
the time. We'll put you in touch. I think you
guys would make an excellent Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
I want yeah, hell yeah, Okay, cool, yeah, sweet.

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
I want to respect your time, but I want to
ask you one more question. I want to respect your time,
but I'm going to disrespect it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
No, dude, you guys are totally fine. Man. I have
as much time as you guys need.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
So okay.

Speaker 5 (01:33:47):
So, so you were talking a little bit about Hyperborea, right,
And it's interesting to me because so much of the
the you know, MK Ultra, we're talking about MK Ultra,
and we're talking about all these rituals and and we've
not even talked about the Nazis, but here they are
in twenty twenty five. It's back in a big way.
And I think it's been orchestrated as such. And it's

(01:34:10):
interesting because there's a lot of like Nazi sympathizing going on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
We talk about it quite often.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
If you watch any amount of Europa, you know you're
gonna come out of the other end being like, oh,
why mar.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Conditions require why Mare solutions?

Speaker 6 (01:34:22):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
And to a degree, the history of World War two
has been obfuscated, and so when you're lied to sometimes
you make a knee jerk reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
You go to the other side and go then this
must be true.

Speaker 5 (01:34:33):
So right now we're sitting in this place where everything
is about like the Nazis were based. You know, Hugo
Boss made a hell of an outfit. The Jews were
a problem. Maybe they were, but then all of a sudden,
like Hitler is the man, right, And it's fascinating to
me that we're moving towards.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
This thing where we're clamoring.

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
For a strong man. They're engineering the race war. Do
you see this or my trip and and does your
Hyperborea discussion fit into that in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 4 (01:35:06):
Yeah, no, Yeah, I see what you're saying one hundred percent.
And I think that you know, like a lot of
what I have doing has transformed into explaining the esoteric
side of pop culture. So you know, memes are a
big part of pop culture, and the Hyperborean edits were
like a really big thing for a long time, and

(01:35:26):
it was like, oh, we're gonna.

Speaker 6 (01:35:28):
Return to your vopa Hyperborea fucking you know.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
I'm a blonde hair, blue eyed guy, you know, like
I saw a ton of those. And then you do
the esoteric research, you do the digging, and you you
realize what it is. So Hyperborea is this sort of
it's like the Greek version of the Garden of Eden
kind of it's the land beyond the north wind, right,

(01:35:54):
and it's this sort of perfect place. That's that's what
it's the that's the ideology of it. Right. Well, it's
been co opted and it's been turned into this sort
of alt right ideal, you know, that has been mema

(01:36:16):
it's a meme. It's been memafied, right, And you have
these people and they're like, we returned to Hyperborea.

Speaker 6 (01:36:22):
Return to fucking Hyperborea. Would be so sick if we're
the man.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
Is and like all these fucking stupid, fucking things. And
what it really is is like Helena Blovatsky, who uh
you know, basically created theosophy, which is the merging of
Eastern and Western esotericism. And you know, again, what did
she do? She rebranded it for a new audience, right,
and you know she she created this this theosophy and theosophy.

(01:36:50):
There was a thing called the Theosophy Society. It was
led by a guy named Franz Hartman and some other
guy with the crazy German name, and and actually those
guys influenced Rick Rubin's book, So there you go. But
those guys resurrected Armonism, and they resurrected Wotonism, and those

(01:37:12):
esoteric ideas are what created the contemporary idea of Nazism
and the esoteric and occult side of Nazism. Right, well, Blovotsky,
you know, they created the Theosophical Society. Blovotsky had her
own writings. A lot of them were plagiarized and crazy,
other you know, a lot of other stuff. But she
wrote about Hyperborea as well. Right, But she had this

(01:37:35):
idea that there are seven iterations of humanity. She calls
them the root races. But it's that's not really what
it is. It's more of these ideologies of where humans
came from spiritually, and there's seven layers to it. The
first being, you know, essentially these like amorphous spiritual cells,

(01:37:57):
and the last one being we are pure emanated beings
of light. Basically, she wrote and believed that we were
at the fifth, uh, the fifth stage of this evolution.
The fifth stage were the Arians. That's what she called it,
the Arians. And I understand people are like Arians were
actually real fucking people. They were real proto European I

(01:38:20):
fucking know that. Okay, that's not what I'm fucking talking about.
Fucking context illiterate fucking morons don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
I'm soa.

Speaker 4 (01:38:31):
Were actually proto Europeans, did you? I fucking you think
I don't fucking know that. I have a fucking I'm
so much smarter than all of you. Um So anyway, anyway,
you know, anyways, so uh, she wrote her definition of
the Arians where they were the fifth the fifth iteration
of this human spiritual evolution. Right, well, what were the

(01:38:52):
second ones? The second was the Hyperboreans. Okay, so to
all of the people who are like, we.

Speaker 6 (01:38:59):
Need to go and become hyperbore, reclaim hyperborea that you're
literally describing like spiritually reducing yourself to like a puddle.

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
Literally, that's like what It's a complete syop. So all
of those people who are like, you know, what did
we say earlier? What is what caused Lucifer to fall
was pride? Right, So all of these people who are
trying to find this pride in this place of this
racial identity. I understand it, dude, I'm a white guy.
I totally get I get it. I totally get it.

(01:39:34):
But to find it in a fucking hyperborean meme, which
is literally a psyop to get you to worship and
mythologize your own self into regressing back into this like
hyperborean being is like so fucking retarded, it's insane. It's
like the craziest thing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:56):
Like Okay, So it's understandable, right, because for the last
decade we were talking earlier about how there's been this
divine feminine and it's really been the chaotic side of things,
and what has that done. Well, it's persecuted in not
the harshest sense, but certainly to some extent masculinity and

(01:40:18):
in particular white men. So it's like it's the ultimate primer.
What you do is for a decade, you go, white
men aren't shit. White people cannot be victims of racism
because there's a power dynamic which is like you literally
have to change the definition of racism.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
In order to get to that point.

Speaker 5 (01:40:37):
You have things like black Lives matter, you name the syop,
you name the fake subversive revolution that takes place that's
funded by Soros or what the hell ever, And all
it does is it builds resentment in white people. And
then when white people have a cause, you turn around
and you call them conquerors, you call them.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
Devils, you call them all this shit.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
So for a decade, I have such a good I'm
watching you say this, and I'm like, I should just
lip selectively what you say Black lives matter white people.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
But that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
White people are conquerors. So you do that for a decade,
and then all of this sudden we say this over
and over again. I really got to think of a
new analogy. But you crack the release valve on it
in the form of Twitter, right where all of a sudden,
the dialogue can take place, and then you probably subversively
inject concepts of Hyperborea. You inject this, and then you

(01:41:28):
allow it to, you know, organically bloom beyond that. But
at its inception, the person that injected it was some
nefarious asshole was seeking to subvert, so it's understanding.

Speaker 4 (01:41:37):
So yeah, so like like yeah, think about that, dude,
like a decade of just like, man, I'm a piece
of shit. I fuck this, this is so you're so frustrated,
and then you finally see this like meme that like
you're You're like, I get it. Oh my god, I
totally this is it. And what it is is it
was created by some fucking girl with blue hair who
knows what hyperborea is. And then you you're like, this

(01:42:00):
is it, guys, We're gonna return to hyperporia, dude, And
she's laughing, she's laughing with her. She literally has crystals
fucking hayne from her ceiling and she's like, you fucking
look these fucking idiots, dude, fucking morons. See they are stupid.
That's literally what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:42:16):
So what I'm wondering then, is like where does this
all go? Because I've been saying for some time that
it's going to leave Twitter and it's going to start
to happen at the dinner table. And I do believe
that that's what we're looking at when we see like
the Sydney Sweeney has good genes, or we see like
the Dunkin Donuts viral commercial where it's like the white
dude with blonde hair and blue eyes and or there's
even like another one. I forget what it is, but

(01:42:37):
there's three major companies that have released commercials that seem
to have these like white supremacy undertones, And that tells
me that the conversation has entered the mainstream. It had
to simmer in the underground, which was Twitter for some time,
and now it is leaving that place and it's going
towards the big screen. And so I don't know if

(01:42:58):
the end goal is. It feels, like I said, very
timpool of me, like we're gonna have a race war,
Like I don't know if it's the race war is
the end goal, or if it's to get people to
to you know, pride before the fall, want to go
back to some Hyperborean puddle like you've described it here.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Do you think that's what it is? Or is there
something more that we're missing? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
See that's the thing, right Like I never, I never.
I don't know the future like I don't know that.
I just know if you know where something is from,
you have a better idea of where it's trying to
take you. So if I can you know, do this
research and come to this understanding that something as innocuous
and as silly as this fucking meme that literally, I

(01:43:39):
don't care if people say that's those memes have activated people, right,
And really what it's doing is you're actually unknowingly subversively
degrading your soul. And you know, and if you think
that's intense, that's too that's too intense, that okay whatever.
You know. So it's like, if they're doing it on
these small levels of memes that do have these real

(01:44:01):
spiritual implications, how far are they willing to take it?
How far are they willing to push you know, these
boundaries and these lines and everything else. You know, I
don't really know. I don't know what the next thing
looks like, but I know that if even the memes
are being tainted with esoteric, subversive, occult magic, I'm sure

(01:44:24):
it's in a lot more places than we could even imagine. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
I'm so memes were already tainted since like twenty sixteen.
The whole kech thing that got Donald Trump elected is
like that goes back to ancient Egypt. So it's like, yep,
I'm looking at them as you're saying this. This guy,
Chris Gabriel is the host of meme analysis, and I'm
sure that he's a has a better understanding of this.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Than we do.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
Yeah, so yeah, no meme. Like, so what Chris Gabriel
does is he one thing he does is he breaks
down meme and he discusses the you know, memes. Essentially,
the reason we get memes is because they have archetypal
truths within them. That's like sort of what the memes,
you know, And he explains that and he breaks it down.

(01:45:14):
But you know, the reason he was hired by Rick
Rubin is obviously because these memes and these archetypal truths
are now leaking and they're leaking into reality and they've
always been in reality, right And yeah, I mean it's
just I personally think like, if you want to know
what reality is going to look like in ten years,

(01:45:35):
go on four chan right now, like twenty sixteen four Chan.
It's everything we're talking about today, that's like out there,
you know. And I think people really don't understand how
the occult operates now because I didn't until I really
started researching all of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
It's like it's in the memes, It's in these silly
symbols you see it's it's fucking everywhere. It's really crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
I was watching some dude talk about like what a
sigil is, and he's like, you know, you take a
concept and you reduce it, like let's say you write
it out like it's if it's a phrase, and you
take certain elements of that phrase, and you you sort
of build a symbol out of those, and you keep
reducing it until it's it's simple as form, and and

(01:46:25):
what's interesting about that is then you're left with this
symbol that speaks quite a bit of information, right, even
though it's a simplistic little symbol. And Elon Musk tweeted
recently where it was like a you know, Michael Jackson
leaning over Anakin Skywalker saying Annie, are you okay?

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
Are you okay? Annie?

Speaker 5 (01:46:45):
And this is in reference to his new rock AI
anime chick named Annie, which Ani means I am.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
And we've talked about this before.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
I think they're trying to breathe life into AI through
through sex magic by getting a bunch of dudes to
goon to an anime representation of groc but any who.
He says, memes are the most densely information packed means
of communication. That we have or something that I'm paraphrasing.
I'm bastardizing it, I'm sure, but we're dealing with it

(01:47:20):
on a daily basis. We're a culture that loves memes,
and that is true. It's like these are the most
densely packed means of communicating information that we have, probably
full stop.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
And it's it's a hieroglyph.

Speaker 5 (01:47:37):
Yeah, and we don't even we don't even recognize it,
but we're engaging with it all day.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Isy.

Speaker 5 (01:47:44):
We're coming up on two hours, and I want to
ask you one last thing. I think it's yes, before
we go. I know we talked about it's a great question.
We've talked about some pretty harrowing Did I make that
word up?

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Harrowing? Harrowing is a good word. That's a word.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
Word, that's a good word.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
That's really some harrowing topics here on this episode?

Speaker 5 (01:48:04):
Is he and uh uh? With some you know, pretty
dark implications. I just want to ask you, are you
having fun?

Speaker 6 (01:48:12):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
Yeah, I love this shit, Dude, that's a sick now.
It's like there's, uh, there's nothing more fun than the truth, right,
Like the truth is God, That's that's pretty fun. Like
I don't know. I I really love the idea of
making these things known to such an extent that people

(01:48:35):
don't even know the origin of them, right, like, uh,
like a great example, the mister Beast. Uh you guys know,
Mister Beast is like owned by night Media and all
that stuff. Do you guys know of that? I like
was talking about that like four years ago on this
little podcast I ran with my cousin called duh Heads,
and I like found of a thread on four chan

(01:48:59):
of like it was posted and I saw it and
I screenshoted it and I brought it to my weekly
podcast Duheads, like the next day and we talked about it.
And that idea has now been proliferated around the Internet
to such an extent it is now like an archetypal truth.
People just know this. That is like what my goal

(01:49:21):
is is to just make this shit known. And it's
like the guy who invented the stop sign. No one
knows who invented it, but it's just out there. That's
like what this is like, just let everybody know what's
going on, what's really going on? What I think, make
some fun, cool fucking songs about when I used to
do cocaine and fucking you know, maybe have a couple

(01:49:41):
concerts and fucking rock and roll, dude, And if anybody
in the music industry everyone wants to fight me, I
train every single day. I'll beat the fuck out of
all of you. Dude, Hey train, Mma, baby?

Speaker 5 (01:49:52):
Would you consider doing music at we have an event
that we do. We just did the third one. It
was it was headlined by It's called Brohemian Grove. We
just had Sam Tripley and Owen Benjamin and it was
an awesome time.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Would you would you do music at our event?

Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
Is he? Dude? I'd be super down. That'd be so
how sick would that be?

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
That'd be dope as hell?

Speaker 5 (01:50:15):
All right, well, consider it a formal invite. We'll let
you know when the next one's gonna happen, and we
love to have you over one more time.

Speaker 6 (01:50:22):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Where can everybody find you?

Speaker 4 (01:50:23):
Uh? Yeah, best place if you want the full breakdowns.
Everything I do is fully sourced. It's on my Patreon, Patreon,
dot com slash isy En Griffin. I'm dropping a video
tomorrow about how the Joe Rogan comedy sphere directly mirrors, uh,
the Royal Order of Jesters and freemasonry, the coolish. Yeah,

(01:50:49):
it's like a direct mirror. It's really crazy dropping that tomorrow. Yeah,
I have free trials on there. My Instagram is at
izzy En Griffin. Yeah. YouTube that is Ian Griffin. If
you want some samples of everything I do and then
I have music, it's you'll find me is Ian Griffin somewhere.
So keep in.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Mind with that Joe Rogan idea and his uh, his
group of minstrels.

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
Joe Rogan introduced I mean, yeah, I like, I like,
I enjoy the show, but it is what it is. Uh,
keep in mind of him introducing the ideas of d
m T mushrooms, float tanks, this kind of stuff like
getting you in touch with this uh astral realm or
this you know, this underneath side of things because there's
a little bit of a David loves to say that

(01:51:37):
Joe Rogan is the Laurel Canyon of today's you know culture. Yeah,
so very interesting to see that and then to see
the comedians that are around him and that are pushed
and what is being said. And again I enjoy most
of these guys, like I A yeah, but I'm fucking suspicious, bro.

(01:51:57):
What you what are you doing over there, Yeah, some
weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Well, I think we have to have Ezzy back on
some time.

Speaker 5 (01:52:03):
Then to ship on Joe Rogan in the most you know,
loving way.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
I just want to know what you're doing over there,
When you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
Why are you doing? C I A. I agree everybody
should take t MT and jerk off dolphins, all right?
Top is is that it is?

Speaker 5 (01:52:18):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
Always? Is that it?

Speaker 6 (01:52:19):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:52:20):
Izzy, Thank you again for coming guys, thanks for hanging out,
and as always, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply.
We'll see you later.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Is a olock box in the corner of the rooms
wants to be.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Their what there is to say, because sell

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
Picture how they have

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