195: Mysteries of the Meadow w/ Trey Hudson | Nephilim Death Squad - Nephilim Death Squad

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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Neflim
Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo aka the Raven
that is top Lobster, the Father of Disinformation.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Hello.

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I'm really excited to get into the guest today. David
introduce him and we'll bring him on stage.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, he had a conversation not long ago with with
Wes and he was working on the Meadow project and
there was a lot that he couldn't say about it
because the documentary was going to get released shortly after
that interview. Now we have have Trey Hudson on the show,
who has a much more intimate relationship with the things
that happen there. But before we get into that discussion,
and there's a lot of people that wanted to know

(02:09):
more details about the Metal Project and everything that took place,
couldn't tell them at the time. So very excited to
be able to get into that today. But you have
some books, and I know you're working on a second one.
You have a first one. Where can people find your work?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, the best place to find my work is is
you go to the local liquor store. Go in the
back alley, look under the cardboard box with the greasy
stain coming out from and I'm underneath. No, I'm kidding,
I'm kidding. That's right. I am somewhat a sober and
reasonable individual. I hope. No. Actually, the best thing for

(02:41):
updates is my Facebook page, which is Trey Hots Trey
Hudson Dash author, and I post all the updates and
everything there. Like you said, I've got my first book
is published, my second book is published and out there,
and uh so we've got the Metal Project documentary, which
you know, I really am proud of. A lot of

(03:01):
work went into that and the results were quite astounding.
And uh then you can also go to Trey Hudson
Research dot com and once the Meadow project gets wide released,
I'm going to start putting some of the uh some
of the data and you know, videos and you know,
all that kind of stuff out there too. So uh yeah,
it's a lot of stuff going on. I'm pretty busy

(03:23):
for a retired guy, which is kind of crazy. I'm
busier now than I was when I work.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
What did you do previously?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I uh yeah, okay, now all of your audiences are
going to kind of freak out when I say this.
I retired out of the US government after thirty four years.
I started off as a US Army intelligence officer. I
rolled into civil service as a security specialist. Uh and
I was in a Intelligence Community designated position. And I

(03:55):
retired as chief of Intelligence and Security out of one
od O d S or any industrial bases OIBs, which
is like, people don't know this, but the Department Defense
has factories where they build stuff, you know, huge defense factories.
So uh you know that's what I did. And uh
so you know I'm that guy, you know, that government guy.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
But this is then this is like right up your alley,
Like you retired and kind of went directly into almost
the same sort of work, like, would you consider what
you saw at the meadow something that the government would
have been interested or possibly is interested for defense capabilities
things like that, I mean, you know, supernatural stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
And it's really it's really weird because yeah, I just
this guy asked that question last week. Is I may
or may not have worked in the Special program Arena? Okay,
the SAPs. Uh, So you know, people can read into
that what they wish, uh. And there were things that
I worked on where I had very direct uh support

(04:55):
from counterintelligence special agents, Like I would meet with them monthly,
you know, they would come to my office. We'd sit
in my conference room and we talked do work stuff,
and you know, we were kid chat and I had
mentioned to one of the agents, you know, he just
you know, we were just chit chat. I think I
was a friend of mine. And he said, you know,
what are you up to? And I said, hey, I
just you know, released a book and he goes, oh, interesting,
what's the book about. And I told him that it

(05:17):
was my first book, The Metal Project, And he said
that sounds really cool. I'm going to order a copy.
So he ordered a copy. He read it. Next time
we met He's like, hey, could you sign my copy?
And that's about the only interest that the government has
ever had in this, because I was the government guy,
and at any time they could have come to me
and said, hey, Trey, you know, we just want you
to give us an after action review of what you're finding, uh,

(05:42):
and just you know, or you know, we would like
to insert a operative maybe into into your operation and
go out with you just to you know, kind of
see what's going on. But none of that happened, uh,
which is really odd because you know, the Ryan Skinner,
the guy who actually wrote the book on Skinwalker Ranch,
you know, started the whole you know, Skinwalker Range, I
think Shriman Ranch thing actually compares this to Skinwalker Ranch,

(06:06):
and in his opinion, you know, this is equally up
there as a you know, a geocentric point of high strangeness.
So yeah, no, they don't seem interested at all.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, so this is your investigations in the Meadow overlapped
with your career a little bit, I guess.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were. I started the Meadow started
in twenty sixteen. Really, that was the first time we
ever really started looking at there was about twenty sixteen
and I retired in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
And I'm sorry, I feel like this is AP probing,
but like, what got you interested in? How did it
get on your radar at all?

Speaker 2 (06:44):
That's another great question is I started off as a
ghost guy, you know, a paranormal research. I went to
the University of West Georgia. I studied under the famous parapsychologist,
doctor William Roll, a very famous guy, and their program
out there is humanistic and trans personal focus. Which is
humanistic is the state, nature and experience of being human.
Transpersonal is how humans become more than they than they are,

(07:09):
you know, you know through you know, their religions, their spirituality,
you know, their own self improvement and self actualization. So
our head of our department studied under Abraham Maslow. So,
uh you know, that's how I went to the University
of West Georgia. So naturally I kind of became a
ghost guy, you know, because that's kind of you know,
they have a parent parapsychology program there, and uh so

(07:31):
I was researching a folklore and I found an area
that had a folkloric haunted road, you know, and it's
one of those places where if you go way back
in the the sticks and you know, and Tony talks
about it in the documentary how far back this area is.
The locals will say, don't go out there, them haints
will get you. You know, don't ever go out there

(07:52):
when the sun is down, boy, you know that kind
of stuff. And so you tell me not to go somewhere,
that's where I'm going, you know, I'm that guy. So
uh so uh So we went out there looking for
the Haunted Road and supposedly the road was paved over
a cemetery where they didn't move. All the graves and
the the spectral uh visages of the inhabitants of the

(08:16):
coffins below would come up out of the ground and
rake their bony fingers across the side of your car,
you know, and all of that good stuff. You know. Yeah,
I love a story like that. A lot of times
behind folklore their truth. So we went out to the
Haunted Road and we didn't see poop. I don't know
what I can say on this podcast, but we didn't
see You know.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
You can say whatever you like.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
We didn't say.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
We just we just need to dial it back a
little bit. But go for it, man.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, No, I mean I'm not a I'm not an
obscene individual. I mean I was when I was in Afghanistan,
but I've toned it down. But uh, you know, we
didn't see crap. We didn't see anything. But back at
base camp. My base camp operator, who was Bob Wilson,
the famous uh bigfoot guy that was on Bigfoot is
Real on the Discovery Channel, who's a friend, was a
friend of mine. He passed. Unfortunately. He had a really

(09:04):
cool UFO siding back at base camp, which was quite
a ways away from this haunted road. And it's like,
I forget that haunted roads garbage. We're gonna start looking here.
And it just so happens. About three quarters of a
mile away from base camp was this big open field.
And uh, you know, I'm a former government guy, former
military guy, so I kind of think like that. You know,

(09:25):
I think about logistics and you know, moving people and
stuff and all of that. And I looked at this
field and it was a big open expanse imagine about
eight acres of open field number one. It proved to
be a large track trap because this area was also
known for Bigfoot sidings, hence maybe part of the folklore
Bigfoot sightings very rich in UFO sidings. The first probably

(09:49):
twenty five percent of my first book you know, goes
into this, you know, quite quite in depth. And so
he had this big open expanse, so if something moved
across it, it was a natural track trap, you know,
we could track the footfalls, you know, from point A
to point B if it was something like sasquads or bigfoot.
Number two being an open expanse, we could put teams
in there at night equipped with thermal and nods night

(10:11):
vision devices and we could see something because you know
it's unobstructed. Number three to the south of it is
a large ridge you know, probably one hundred hundred and
fifty feet above it, so we could put also put
teams up there that could look down with their equipment
and see anything below them. And number four that had
a wide expanse of open sky that we could see

(10:32):
anything moving through the sky. So logistically this really made
a lot of sense. You know, it just was a
really good place to research because it had so much
stuff going for it. And that's kind of by accident.
It's one of those you know, coincidental you know, serendeputy,
whatever you want to call it. That we happen to

(10:53):
stumble across this particular area, and as it turned out,
it is you know, is chalk full of high strangeness.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, so you you chose it for logistical purposes, not
any Uh, we were just doing, ah, well, we're doing
a documentary on primary waters in Florida. And turns out
like after some questioning, the guy who found the well
and dug it, he was using what are they called
divination rods also down dowsings. Yeah right, yeah, he was

(11:25):
using dousing rods to find this and I mean it's
a deep, deep underground well and we're getting the water tested.
But that was like, so he stumbled upon that location
a bit esoterically, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I mean, the the idea is that he himself was
a freemason in that. Really what stuck out to us
is strange as it takes quite a bit of money
to commission someone to drill well, and uh, the average
well is anywhere from one hundred and three hundred feet deep,
especially an hour area. This guy drilled six hundred feet
deep limestone and then told them to keep digging and

(12:00):
the well ends up being fifteen hundred feet deep. So yeah,
there's there's it's very strange that he would have committed
to such a task, especially just thinking about it from
a financial stand.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Stranger is stranger that tree would find this supernatural eight
square acres just like just with your eyes so purely logistically, like,
that's right. Do you think that that's where the most
activity happens or is it like spread out?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well, it's spread it's spread out. I mean, the area
is strange. We've seen UFOs and other odd things in
other areas you know, around it, you know, four miles out,
five miles out, things like that. But you mentioned something interesting,
is you talked about the individual. Okay, the best piece
of equipment for detecting high strangeness isn't something you carry
in your rucksack. It's the human being. Okay, that's the

(12:47):
best piece of equipment. And it just so happens that
a lot of members of my team are trained remote viewers,
were trained in coordinate remote viewing, the military style remote
viewing developed by SRI and US Army Inscom. You know,
birch stubble buying and all of that stuff, you know,
and so you know, we were kind of already kind

(13:09):
of attuned to that stuff, but we weren't really out
looking for it. So you know, it's one of those things,
is uh, you know which comes first? Is that, you know,
nature or nurture? Is Are people drawn to these areas
because they have a innate you know, antenn attuned to
the right frequency or do they just stumble across it?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Oruly what I was going to get at when it
comes to your involvement in the meadow project and then
given you your your history in your work life, that
those two things, could you call it a coincidence.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Or were you the right guy for the right task,
the perfect candidate for that?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, you know, it's it's it's one of those things
that we just have to take on faith, you know.
And I'm just finding you know, the older I get,
the more things I just have to take on faith
and let happen, you know, quit trying to guide the
process and just let it happen. And I don't know,
maybe both, you know, maybe both, but I will tell
you our lives haven't been the same afterwards.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Trey, can I ask you a question? I guess it
might be a little personal.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Sure, I'm married, Oh interested?

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Maybe no, as far as faith goes, like with you're
dealing in the supernatural for years now, since at least
twenty sixteen, probably longer thinking about it. Where are you're
at with faith? Because for us and people are question
Yeah we uh we started this show looking into conspiracy,
high strangeness and things like that, and then we ended
up diving deeper than ever into Christianity and taking that

(14:37):
more seriously because it seems like there's a lot of
answers there. But where do you find yourself?

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I am a Bible believing, saved Christian. I am I
am drenched in the blood of our Savior, absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
A smart move.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, and that's what I tell people. You know,
I have ten church I was, uh was a I'm
not an active deacon anymore, but I mean they didn't
kick me out, but I'm an inactive deacon in one
of the big, big denominations, uh, one of the Calvinistic denominations. Uh.
So yeah, I'm you know, I'm pretty, you know, pretty
strong in my faith. I think you have to be,

(15:17):
uh you know. Was one thing I've warned people, and
they touch about it in the film. The Wards especially
goes into it right there at the end. Is if
you go into this business and I'm not talking about,
you know, a couple of people taking the audio recorder
on their cell phone and going into the local you know,
supposedly haunted house and sitting around and you know, laughing,

(15:40):
you know, for an hour. I'm talking about people that really,
really really get into this business. It's dangerous, Yeah, I mean,
it's dangerous, and you have to be dialed in psychologically, physically,
and spiritually or you're not gonna make it. You're gonna
have very negative outcomes. And you know, and that's one
thing I have. I don't There is no listmus test

(16:03):
for being you know, only anomalo studies an observation group.
I'm not that guy, but I do warn people that
you really need to have a belief system or you're
gonna have some trouble with this because this stuff can
affect you existentially. Uh, if you're not well grounded.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Let me ask you this tray, so you know, given
your experience. And then of course what we saw in
the in the Metal Project, and we spoke to Wes
before a little bit about it, and he talked about
the cube and all the strange activity going on with that.
And you know, when you watch the documentary which I
recommend to people right now it's it's not available. There
was a release that happened, and then after the release

(16:44):
and the general public got access to it, it's it
you know, has been pulled back and it's going to
be released in its entirety or something to that extent.
So we're waiting on that to happen. But if you
watch the documentary, uh, it's it's pretty wild. Especially you
have infrared cameras that are viewing this entire scenario. You
can see this cube that West described as hovering only

(17:07):
maybe a foot on the round or something like that,
twenty by or possibly thirty by thirty something.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Of that size.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
And you know, so this whole thing is riddled with bizarre,
inexplicable activity. But what do you think is happening in
these locations? You have a skinwalker ranch, you have a meadow.
There's also another one, I forget what it is. It's
something wolf ranch.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
That bone space. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Branch, right, So you had these areas of high strangeness.
What's your running theory?

Speaker 3 (17:38):
You know, I find your perspective fascinating as somebody who
has the faith that you have but also has the
career that you had.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
What's your running theory on these locations?

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Why in certain places is this more prevalent than others.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I think it's a couple of things. Is I think
these places are a lot more common than people think.
And unfortunately, you know, from a very early age, we
are trained to worship at the altar of science, you know,
which isn't about I'm not anti I'm not a leude ite.
I'm not anti science. Okay, you know, guess what. I

(18:13):
have a cell phone and electricity and all that good stuff.
But I think that, you know, you have to look
at other things. And our team, our mission statement is
we look at phenomena from both the experiential and the
empirical side of it. You know, you have to look
at stuff as a human being. My philosophy is, if
you have all this stuff happening and there's not a
human being to experience, then what's what's the point? Why bother? So,

(18:37):
you know, going back to your original question is what
do I think is going on? I think that there
are areas on the earth. And you mentioned Skinwalker Ranch,
Marley Woods, the ranch in Colorado, you know which Katie
Page talks about a lot which I luckily had her.
She took me out there to that ranch in Colorado
last year. I think that for some reason, the veil

(19:03):
and that sounds all esoteric, and you know, just it's
just a term the barrier, if you will, the membrane,
if you will, between reality. It's between dimensions. It is
a little bit thinner, and you can interact with data entities,
non human intelligencers, whatever in some of these places. Now.

(19:24):
I just literally talked to Steve Mirra of the Doorway
Project a few days ago, and you know, there are
a lot of theories that these places that have geomagnetic sinks.
You know that these places, you know, maybe have running
water and quartz. You know, there's some sort of there's
some geological geographical special you know, specialness to these places,

(19:47):
and or these non human intelligences are using it in
several ways. And I'm going to use wind as an example.
Wind does a natural occurring phenomena. We as humans can
just we can use wind to our furtherances, you know,
like with sailboats, big ships, or we can generate wind

(20:11):
artificially and use it for our own means, like you
would with an airboat or a hovercraft with a large
fan in the back. But nevertheless it is an artificial
I mean a natural phenomena. So why wonder if these
places that are naturally thin areas and what John Keel
called ultraterrestrials in my first book, I use the term

(20:33):
para dimensionals, if these pair dimensionals are using these places
because they're naturally a naturally occurring portal, if you will,
or if they're generating it using some sort of technology,
And that's why we're picking up like radiation spikes and
possible micro singularities and relativistic sinks and stuff like that.
So take all of that and jumble it up. The

(20:55):
answer is I don't know. Okay, I'll tell you. Not
only do I not know the answers, I might not
even know what the right questions are. You know.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
It's that strange I have been so recently we were
talking about yesterday one more time.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
What's that? Is this congresswoman her name is Luna or
something like that, Annapolina Luna aa Polina Luna.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
She posts something rather fascinating on Twitter, and it's this
diagram that is trying to explain and for what you know,
angle of expertise, I'm not sure, but trying to explain
the way that an angel would exist, and then an
angel exists as data, and that data seems.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
To be one of the.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
I don't know, just just another dimension. So when you're
talking about are you engaging with are you encountering entities
or data?

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Is one of the things that you said.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
And then you mentioned quartz being a potential component to
an area that would make it thin of veil, and
quarts being a component in microchips.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
You got what you get where I'm going with this.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
I'm like, I'm wondering, maybe there's something much more to
data than we understand. Uh, And I know we beat
this to death. But the idea that ideas are alive,
and when you're engaging with it, let's let's say the Internet,
you're it's just this exchange of data, information and idea
your brain.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Your brain is like a synapse of electricity. So the
idea would be there are electrical currents that are transmitting
information constantly back and forth. Well, what are the conductors?
Is it courts, is it running water? Is it a's?
What's the statue of Liberty made out of copper copper?
It's just this huge copper monument that sits in a

(22:39):
bay in New York's massive conductor. Y, yeah, it's a conductor,
but for what, And like, no one's really questioning, but
it's definitely doing something because that place is kind of fallen.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
And all of that plugs into this idea where where
and I don't want to DVA too far, but where
AI is going And then all the concerns, the spiritual
concerns with what artificial intelligence is.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
In your documentary, there's a point where you guys are
using a Spira coom I believe or.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Method. Yeah, okay, and you're you're talking talking about copper.
And that's that's why I always stuff dollars worth of
pennies in my underwear a jingle when I walk. But
it seems to help. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Believe they
called me mister bo Jangles.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
It attracts the phenomenon, but it's very localized to Yeah,
I don't know, I mean, wait.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Wait, wait, can you explain that the technique that they
were using. Because we've done some work on the spirit
we did we did a very intense deep dive on
Andrija Puharich and he shows up, He shows up in
Brazil and that's he's he's dealing with this guy, doctor Rigo,
but he's doing a lot of other things. And he's
also doing investigations into the Spira coom, which we have

(23:53):
read about and we've learned that it caused some of
the users of it to basically delve into unsolved schizophrenia. Yeah,
and things like that. It's so there. It's I mean,
it seems like a technological Wiji board, But what what
exactly were they doing?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Here's uh in the spirit comm that you talk about.
I think, uh there's a uh channel doctor Meek's and
I'm trying to remember some of the those spirit comedy eighties,
which is another technology. Uh. This is basically you take
a ghost box and everybody you know, probably listening to
has seen a ghost show, you know, where they sit
there with the frequency hopping radio and you hear blah

(24:31):
blah blah blah blah blah, you know, balloon blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah toenail blah, you know whatever.
And uh, you know that's always subject to uh, you know,
audio paradulia. You know, people hear what they want to hear,
you know, Uh, you know, humans can convince themselves, you know,
of anything. Uh, rationalization is a very very strong motivator.
But what this does, the Esdes method is you take

(24:53):
the spirit box SB seven is what we use, and
you put earbuds into the output, shooting muffs over that,
and then you blindfold the individuals so they have no
audio que or visual que a if a question is
being asked, and most certainly they have no idea what
is being asked and their instruction.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Is that a form of disassociation that you're reading.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yes, yes, if you go back to like Lily's studies
with sensory deprivation, it's similar to that, but not quite
as severe. And anybody that's ever done a you know,
SOMEBODI tank or a float tank, you know, they kind
of understand where I'm and if you've never tried it,
I'd highly recommend it. But it's kind of like that,
but not quite as uh, not quite as extreme, but

(25:37):
there is a bit of dissociation from you know, your
external stimuli. So what we do is, you know, we
hook up a person and we have a person called
the interrogator and the receiver. The interrogator is the person
who's gonna be asking the questions. The receiver, obviously is
the person with the earhead shooting muffs on and all
of that. And the receiver is given very simple instructions.

(26:00):
If you hear an intelligible word as this device hops
through these random frequencies, you repeat it loud and proud.
If you hear roota bega, however stupid that may sound,
you just say rude bega or you know, truck or whatever.
And in several instances, and this is where it gets

(26:23):
a little odd, is we have obtained what appears to be,
you know, and I'm not absolute, I can't say for certain,
but it appears that we have developed two way communications.
And you saw that in the documentary. And what's very
interesting is when we started trying to nail down with

(26:44):
the NHL and non human intelligence, the phenomenology of the
experiences we were having in the meadow. You know, I
start mentioning plasmas, I start mentioning your radiation. I start
mentioning you know, real nuts and bolting. It gets very irritated,
very agitated, like it doesn't want to talk about that.
And I found out very telling, you know, So what

(27:07):
I like in it to is imagine a sidewalk in
front of your house that's being poured, and you have
workmen out there trowling down the sidewalk, and a little
kid comes up. And he's the little kid in the
neighborhood that's just jabbers all the time and just is
a pest, you know, he's a pain in the butt.
And he comes up to these workmen and he's standing
there with his hands in his pocket, and he starts

(27:27):
just peppering these poor guys with questions and comments. Think,
what you doing? How long is that going to take?
You know, where are you from? Is that your truck?
You know? Just jabbering. So the workmen have three options.
Number one, they can just ignore the kid, just ignore them,
go on with whatever they're doing. The kid might not
even understand what they're doing. Number two is they might
scare the kid off. Hey, get out of here. We'll

(27:49):
walk you with this shovel. Number three is they may
take pity and engage with the kid on a limited basis.
The non human intelligence are the workmen going about whatever
project they're doing. We might not even be able to
comprehend their project. And we're the little kid, So I
think we asked started becoming a nuisance, especially when we

(28:10):
started getting into the technicalities of maybe what's going on
and it wanted to show us off. And that's my
interpretation of what happened. I'm not saying that's, you know,
the truth, but that's the way I interpreted.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
This sort of thing is pretty common whenever we have
a jump in technology, Right so when we would have
first developed, you know, the telephone, you would have picked
up strange anomaloust interactions from disembodied spirits or non human
intended or entities, And the same thing happens with the television,
you know, until they recently we were talking about the

(28:49):
the Dysonian glass that they were allegedly using in Vietnam
and it was for night vision purposes, but they were
seeing horrifying visages in the jungle at night. My wife
stumbled upon a TikTok yesterday. We're talking on the porch
and it is somebody describing this new contact lens, and
I think there was an infrared capability associated with that

(29:11):
contact lens, but already, because it's new technology, there's horrifying
stories about seeing you know, non human entities through these things.
So it seems like we constantly can use technology to
peel that veil back, and then in its infancy it
has to be reeled back and readjusted because people are having,
you know, horrifying experiences with things that are are told

(29:35):
conventionally don't exist. Do you think that these are happening?
You seem like somebody who is very I mean, you're
going to one location or another. Do you think that
these things are happening more frequently? And when I mean
these things, I mean like the frequency of the discovery
of areas of thin veiled or or you know, interaction

(29:56):
one way or another with these entities. Is this happening
more frequently or is it you know, in a statics team, I.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Think it's happening more frequency, and I think frequently, and
I think that may be artificial. And it goes back
to like neural linguistics. Is you know, back in the seventies.
You know, I'm sixty years old, so I remember back
in the sixties and the seventies when the mantra preached
by science this doesn't exist, this doesn't exist. As a pseudoscience,

(30:23):
this doesn't exist. And then a few brave souls started
going out there and say, yeah, maybe so, but we're
going to look into it anyway, and you started having
stuff like the Sorat experiments at Duke University that actually
was an academic look into the paranormal, and people started saying, well,
you know, maybe there is something to this. And now

(30:43):
we're kind of going through a watershed moment with maybe UAP.
And I'm not going to say disclosure, cause that's such
a loaded word these days, but acceptance. You know, the
scientific establishment is finally a saying well, you know, maybe
we can't ignore this anymore. But more importantly, there saying hey,
we've kind of been looking at this for quite a while,
and so now that we have reprogrammed our brains through neurolinguistics,

(31:07):
that this is acceptable, okay, that this maybe is another
part of our reality. And I'm not talking about a
three dimensional euclidian reality, but a universal reality. I think
people are more attuned to it. I think they're more
accepting of it. And as they start to peel away
their normalcy bias, they start noticing things around them. And

(31:31):
one thing I tell people is, you know, take a
map of your local area wherever it is, and you
go to the National UFO Reporting Center or movefin and
you look for UFO reports and put them on your map.
Then go to like BFR, a bigfoot reporting organization, and
put bigfoot works on your map. And then go and

(31:52):
start digging into your local folklore at your library and
start putting ghost stories in folkloric And you're going to
see these geo concentrations and one might be a few
miles from one of your listeners right now, and they
just never put the pieces together. And that's where things
start rocking and popping when people start putting this stuff
together and actually going out there with boots on the

(32:14):
ground and seeing what's happening. Now. Once again, that does
come with a warning you really need to be you know,
squared away with your life before you go out and
do this. But I think these things are a whole lot,
you know, more common. I don't think you have to
go to you know, go see Ryan Burns at you know,
Space Wolf Ranch, or go you know, visit Dwayne out

(32:35):
of blind Frog or you know, come to the meadow.
I think these places are a lot more common.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
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Speaker 1 (33:01):
Want to be.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
You mentioned disclosure there, and I'd be remiss if I
didn't dive into that a little bit. It seems like
we constantly get this this I've been calling it a
pump fake where the government or whatever, whoever's associated with
UAP disclosure or anything like that, they will have a
build up and it seems like we're gonna get something,

(33:24):
and we do get, like some congressional hearings. I know,
we have the second ever congressional hearing on UAPs maybe
about a year ago, and so we do get some movement,
and then they pull it back. And I don't know
if that is sort of a way to prime the public,
because if you do it all at once, it could
be very jarring. Although it almost seems like the public
doesn't even care at this point, so maybe they've done

(33:44):
a great job of kind of nullifying that feeling in
us of existential dread when they introduce some you know,
thing that is said not to exist.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
But we're at that point again. It seems like, and
what I mean by that.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Is we have Toulci Gabbard, who is you know, head
of the d O D right or something like that.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Now she is EANI Director of National Intelligence.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
There we go, and so she's saying that she believes
that there is something, and she believes that the government,
you know, has some information, and then she's going to
be working to get that release to the general public.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
And we've heard that sort of thing before.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
But now NASA is saying that there is there's some
sort of a celestial you know object, or not a
celestial object, but an object in space the size of Manhattan.
I think they said, we were reading the article yesterday
and it is geared to arrive here.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
In November sometime.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
And they're even they're even attributing things like hostility to it.
They're saying that this thing is hostile. And I mean,
we're reading this article just yesterday and we're going, where
on Earth do they get off on saying that this
thing is hostile? Of all the assumptions you can make
about it. But what do you think about that? You
said that you think it's kind of artificial that these

(35:00):
things are happening more frequently and then we have this
happening on the world stage.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Where do you put that?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, it's my personal opinion kind of based on you know,
my experience, you know, professionally and otherwise. I think probably
ninety five percent of what people see are explainable, you know,
UFO wise. I think either their misidentifications or they're classified airframes.
And you know, people say the government can't keep a secret. No,

(35:27):
that's that's a lie. The government can keep a secret.
Believe me, they can keep a secret very well. And
so that probably leads maybe three to five percent that
are truly the anomalous. And so you know, what does
that mean. I think that a lot of them don't know,

(35:49):
and I think a lot of people are maybe afraid
of their ignorance and do not know how to put
that out. I do think a lot of the stuff
that people are classified airframes that are either operational or
in development. And one thing that the security specialist and
counterintelligence people will do is they will misdirect attention away

(36:15):
from whatever it is. And I'll give you an example.
Let's say Private Snuffy is on an Army base and
he's working on a Humby and he looks under and
he sees these coils under the Humby, and probably Snuffy's
pretty smart, and he says, coils. Now, I wonder if
I ran an electronic feel through that, if I could
nullify gravity and this thing could float and fly. And

(36:36):
so Private Snuffy put the pieces together and says, the
army has a flying Humby. So he starts talking to
his buddies about that. Hey, you know, the Army has
this flying Humby. And then somebody hears that and they
report it to counterintelligence, and counterintelligence comes in and I'm
not saying I've ever been part of something like this

(36:58):
is they'll come in and the sit Private Snuffy down
and say, hey, you know, I think you're wrong. What
you really saw was an anti mind technology that we
have on the bottom of Humb's that will nullify the
electro magnetic field of land mines, and these vehicles can
drive through mine fields. So what they'll do is create

(37:21):
a craft, a new narrative, and put that narrative out
there and spin things off in the distance. And that's
where you get people like Richard Doty, you know, kind
of alludes to you know, he did some of that stuff,
and you know, I'll tell you that's, you know, in
the interest of national security that they do that, and
I understand why, and it's it's a necessary misinformation. You know,

(37:45):
it has such a negative of context, but it's it's
a way of protecting, you know, our secrets that give
us the technological edge against our adversaries. And so I
think some of that has happened. You know, people have
seen things and it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's the UFO,
when in fact it might.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Have been what's the guy with the UFO in uh
Los Alamos slab I forget his blazarre. Yet when he
mentioned seeing uh it's like I saw a small gray
allion sitting in there. I was like, I think, like
if I if I were one of these guys and
I had you working in a top secret facility and
you're bringing your friends out to the desert, I would
do something like this as well. And then spin. Yeah,

(38:21):
Like there's some sort of spin going on, and there's
some factual truths in there, and there's some things that
kind of go wild.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
These narratives that they want to see. We know only
you saw this thing because we planted it. So if
that narrative then gets out, well then we know that
you're untrustworthy as well.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
You know.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
One of the things we were talking about recently trade
is this idea of like we attribute so much of
this to the military industrial complex or or you know,
these these uh, blacklisted projects that you know, finances are
getting funneled into and we don't know where the money's going,
and it's it's going here, it's making it's reverse engineering,
craft YadA YadA, and uh and top quote up this

(38:58):
great point, which is like, that's not really typically how
it works, right, I mean, you have these these private
companies that are contracted and you know that's kind of
the way you find out who's the best, right, It's
like the free market of things. And so you know,
we talk about how the Marvel movies do a really

(39:18):
great job of it. They have Stark Industries, right, which
is like Ironman's company, and he's the guy who's making
all of the cutting edge of military technology and then
the military is buying it. So a lot of the
times what we're seeing and we're attributing to you know, oh,
look what the government's gout of the military has.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
It's like that could be.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
That could be a private company that actually has that technology.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
And I'll actually bring bring that back home. First of all,
be very wary of anybody that jumps out and says, oh,
I'm going to disclose this information. When you are read
into a special Access Program a SAP, be it a
waved SAP, a acknowledged SAP, or an unacknowledged SAP, you
sign a piece of paper called a d D Form
twenty eight thirty six, and that is a non disclosure

(40:05):
in doctrination statement and it has very very, very very
stiff penalties if you disclose this information, and you have
a representative of the government that will give you this
piece of paper and you will raise your right hand
and you will do an attestation and then you will sign.

(40:25):
So anybody that comes out and says oh, like Bob
Lazarre saying, oh, I'm going to just release this information.
Look what happened to Robert Hansen of the FBI who
released information. He's he died in prison. You know, look
at the WikiLeaks guy. In my mind is went completely blank.
Snowden yeah, look what happened to Snowden. You know, when

(40:47):
he released sci a Special Compartment at information, he's now
in hiding. Look at Julian Assage. You know, all of
these people, you know, released information that was classified and
now they're hunted.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
So we're actually dealing with something on like a minor
political level with like Nick Fointes and and J six,
And it's kind of somebody he was he was worn like,
don't go there. He went there, told people to go in,
and then you know, his sons get frozen, but then
they're unfrozen, and it's like it's very suspicious.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
I don't know, but yeah, it's exactly what you're saying,
Bob La Targets to go on Joe Rogan's podcast.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah. Yeah, So going back to your original question about
the defense industrial complex, and I'll give you an example.
One of the things that might have been confused for
UAPs or UFOs back in the seventies was the F
one to seventeen stealth fighter. It was developed I think
Lackey Martin or Boeing, I can't remember which one developed it.

(41:49):
And they developed this this airframe that had this weird
faceted fuselage was shaped like an arrowhead that flew out
of the MILU DODS test facility out of Groom Area
fifty one. Okay, it came from a program called Tacit Blue.
You can go back and look at the declassified Tacit
Blue photographs of their prototypes, and so you move forward

(42:13):
in This airframe was actually operational in the seventies. It
was part of an organization called the forty fourth fiftieth
I think Air Tactical Squadron, and they were flying operational
missions with the F one seventeen, you know, for years,
like almost a decade. But their cover was they flew

(42:33):
I think a six sky Raiders and they only flew
the F one seventeens at night, And the one seventeen
didn't really become talked about until I think it was
operation I think it was Panama just calls, and then
it became really publicly known during Desert Storm in nineteen
ninety one. But so you have to wonder how many

(42:55):
operational airframes are flying operationally out of Tampana the these
other Air Force bases, and that's a misidentification. So that's
how you know that that stuff works. Now we're going
to bring it back to Skinwalker Ranch and high strangeness
is the Sherman Ranch was bought by Robert Bigelow. Okay,
so Bigelow had this ranch and he always was interested

(43:17):
in this stuff. The Defense Intelligence Agency was also interested
in this stuff. And you know the government's been interested
in high strangeness for decades, decades and decades. So they
created a contract through d D specifically, Defense Intelligence Agency
put it under the auspice of a special Access program.

(43:38):
Read people in set up a program manager, then hired
Bigelow Aerospace to set up something called NIDS, which is
the National Institute for Discovery Science. NIDS went out there,
did all this investigation with government funding, wrote a report,
and then gave it back to de IA. That's when
why Bigelow when he's you know, being interviewed, people say, well,
why can't you disclose what you know? Number one? It's

(44:00):
still classified and it's not his information. You know, big
government paid for it. You know, it's their information. So
that's how that works is you know, special access programs,
especially in UH, you have three types of SAPs. You
have acquisition SAPs, which are development of material and equipment
and stuff like that. You have intelligence SAPs, which are intelligence,

(44:20):
and then you have operational, which is like, you know
this your dev grou is going out to get Ben Lauden.
You know that's an operational SAP or CAG. Combat Application
Group is you know, doing a mission somewhere. So you know,
that's how the acquisition works. If anybody wants to kind
of peel back the onion and see how all that operates,
I suggest they read a book called skin Walkers at
the Pentagon and it talks about how Harry Reid helps

(44:42):
set up this special access program and uh, it got
rolling and Bigelow was brought into BIGE Aerospace, Bass was
given the contract and they did the research out at
our Skinwalker ranch.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Now a question for you because you yeah, so Bigelow
owns he owned Yeah, partially, I guess, like Skinwalker Ranch.
But it was like this private uh yeah, Sherplick Merger
kind of thing. And then they sold it and now
it's like a reality TV show and I'm left to say,
what the hell if this this place is very special?

(45:17):
It's a finny like like Stephen King Will Colevid, it's
a thing area in the veil, and I guess what
does that mean? Did they find what they needed and
then just said make a TV show out of it
or something.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
I can't imagine they would release it for public consumption
in that way if it still had some real value.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Now, I haven't sat down with Brandon Fugel and talked
about the whole thing. I did follow it, you know,
just kind of academically. Is Bigelo, you know, had the contract.
I think they squeezed as much information as they could
out of it. Either they ran out of funding or
they they met the deliverables for their contract. You know,
I don't know what specifically happened. And then Bigelo, I think,

(45:58):
started moving on to other things. I think he publicly
said he's now doing a survival life after death stuff.
So he he sold it to a group and I'm
trying to read it was ant Antonidium something like that Holdings,
and it was like a big secret. You could actually
go online, you could look at the tax records there
and you went to County and it turns out that

(46:19):
that was actually bought by Brandon Fugel. That was his
front company and he was behind that. So but mister
Fugle has always had a very strong academic interest in
all things, you know, strange, and you know it's the
natural fit for his you know, curiosity, and I think that, uh,
it just happened. You know. I don't know how the

(46:39):
sausage was made, but the deal was made with a
History Channel to develop the TV show. Now I have
to have to wonder, is you have two tiers of research.
You have what you see on TV, which is the sizzle.
You know that smells good and it makes your mouth water.
The steak is behind the curtain, the real research. And
so you know, I've always been and you know, trying

(47:00):
to reach out to those folks and say, look, you know,
let's share this. I'll give you a bite of my
steak if you let me have a bite of yours.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Okay, can we get a bite of your steak there?
Because let's let's move it back to the meadow. Is
that public land? Is it privately owned?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
It is? It is public land? And I will go
ahead and give you the location.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Oh all right, that's interesting, can we get yeah, yeah,
go ahead, let's guess. I can't guess. I can't possibly guess.
The area looks like Georgia, and I'm assuming I just
have Is it along the thirty third parallel that's an
interesting question. Yeah, the thirty third parallel.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I will tell you this. It is south of the
Mason Dixon line in east of Arizona.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Okay, it's a little more west. It's a big area.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I know, I'm just teasing you. That'suff, you know. I
I don't give the location away. And it's not because
I'm trying to be a butthole. It's because if this
area is ever disclosed or out it, my days are
meaningful researcher over.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, I don't know. If you see what TikTok happens
to do like to your.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Favorite you know, watering hole or whatever, you know, like
people have this place in their town, it ruins.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Like what it did to our favorite of the Miami
Nephilim that was like our favorite thing. Now it's like,
oh now it's just this water disgusting thing, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Speaking on the topic of it, and this does apply
to the meadow. You know, we had this situation Keisha
in the chap brought it up about the New Jersey drones,
which which was you know, kind of gripping everybody in
the in the I don't know, truth or community for
some time there and we were kicking around this idea
of like what if a private company did successfully achieve

(48:41):
some sort of technology, like how Bob Blazar alludes to this, uh,
you know, extra element in the periodic table that takes
space time and bends it around it. So it's not
a propulsion system where fuel goes in and and and
and you know, exhaust goes out the back and this
thing goes forward, but instead it pulls space time around it.
What if some private company really perfected that, figured it out.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
And then put on a display.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Because the New Jersey drone situations have been more or
less dismissed, right, Donald Trump said he was gonna look
into what he came out.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
He said, nothing to see here. But if you go
back to.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
When the reports were happening, there were government officials that
were saying, I'm watching these things appear as one thing,
and when you zoom in on them, they are a
ball of plasma and they're they're chasing navy ships, they're
tailing them. Right, that doesn't seem like something that our
own government. I mean, so it almost felt like a display.

(49:36):
And I don't want to jump straight to entities because
that's a strange thing. You didn't have to say, well,
why are these you know, non human entities doing this.
This is a bizarre display of powers in New Jersey
of all places. And there was some fog of war
stuff where they're looking for nuclear material that was taken
out of a dock in Newark from a shipping container.
So who knows if that even applies to this situation,

(49:57):
but it kind of could you know, look to me
like a display of power if you were a company and.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
You achieve that sort of level of what have you?

Speaker 3 (50:06):
So my question as it applies to the New Jersey
drones and the meadow, is is there any part of
you that feels like what was seen on camera, especially
in regards to this gigantic cube. Could it have been
somebody testing out something, putting this thing out there on
public land and saying, let's see how people interact with it.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
Let's see what their response is.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Well, you help me go back to the New Jersey
drone thing. Misidentification. Okay, every single video I saw the
drones were terrestrial airframes, be they drones or aircraft, you know.
And you can go to flight Radar twenty four and
there's a live app on that you can click and
you point it out whatever you're looking at in the sky,

(50:49):
and it'll tell you the aircraft's identification number. You know,
really handy. So I think that was basically a little
bit of group hysteria, which is fine, that happens, I
get it. Now. Going back to one thing, you know,
I was trained as an analyst, is two things you
always what if and why? You know, those are two

(51:09):
questions you always ask when you encounter something. What if
and why. So we go back to you know, your
your question about it was a company or somebody testing
something is why why would they test something? Spend the money,
the efforts, the logistics to test something in the middle

(51:31):
of a extremely remote force hoping that some people stumble
across it. That doesn't seem like a very good use
of resources to me. Because companies here in the United
States are beholden to the shareholder, you know, they have
to make a profit. That's not a good profit making
strategy is to you know, ring a bell in the
middle of the woods and hope that somebody hears it.

(51:53):
Just doesn't make sense. So and that goes back to
the what if. So what if we did this, what
are our odds of success? Pretty remote? You know, if
I was going to test something like that, I would
go to an area that was populated, i e. Remote Yellowstone.
You're one of the maybe more remote geysers where people
are passing by, and I would test it out there.

(52:13):
But just some area that has no real points of interest.
It's literally in the middle of the forest. So it's
just you know, well, it just doesn't make.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Sense removing that as a possibility.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Then no, I don't know if you I don't know
if I'm comfortable removing that. Because you've got like a
Lieutenant Framer in the Navy airplanes and the tic TAC
things that they're following. I don't think that they I
think a lot of the times maybe maybe sometimes they
do just come upon these crafts, but I think a
lot of the times the craft maybe put there to
see how it could combat and react, It could want

(52:47):
to be seen. But but I mean, you know, if
that's not the case. If if but that's certainly the
middle of nowhere as well, it's like, oh, they're in
the ocean somewhere and they'll see, like you know, it'sicktack
craft or like what will they I think Trey would
would agree it's not possibility, right, but it's a it's
a very likelihood that would be the case.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
So yeah, I just don't think the return on investment
would be there.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
So so if that's the case, then then we're left
maybe with with more esoteric answers, right, I mean a
cube is a very esoteric symbol, Yes, something that shows
up a lot, you know when it comes to the
idea of like Saturn and the and the worshiping of
the black cube, and yah. You know also this this uh,
this hyper cube, the idea of a fourth dimensional cube,

(53:30):
the Tesla ract, this this sort of this is deeply
ingrained in occult symbolism. So it's not it's it's a
it's a very not not a very unique, it's a
very significant Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Yeah. Actually actually I wrote a chapter in the second
book on that is. You know, if we go all
the way back, you know, when the arc of the
Covenant was being moved by the Israelites, they built a
temporary tabernacle. Now the tabernacle wor square was a box
to hold the Holy of holies. When the temple was built,

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the sanctum sanctorium behind the curtain was once again a cube,
a box you go to Mecca. There's something there called
the Kaba, which is a huge black cube which predates
you know, Christianity, predates Islam and is basically a polytheistic temple.

(54:27):
In the corner of the Kaba. Do you know what
there is? There's the remnants of a meteor or a
stone from the sky. And so then you come into
the New Testament. When John the Revelator was imprisoned and
he started writing about the Second Coming of Christ, we
encountered something called the New Jerusalem descending from the sky,

(54:49):
which is a cube fourteen hundred miles calculated the cubans
on each side. You move forward into the twentieth century,
you have the Karl Higden case in Wyoming. He encountered
a translucent cube which was an aircraft. You move forward
into the twenty first century, there are some of the
Navy pilots talked about seeing a cube inside of a sphere.

(55:13):
And I just saw during an article on one of
the incursions at one of the Air Force bases that
they are now releasing that not only did they see
traditional drones, but they saw a flying black cube. Now,
why is a cube so important? Why did Carl Jung
have the effigy of a cube put down at the
lakeside at his retirement home, because we look at cubes

(55:37):
and it resonates with us.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
When you turn that cube along its axis here, like
on the y axis, so it's kind of a diamond
shaped and you spin it, it creates what resembles the
Star of David, like the upward triangle, downward triangle, or
the seal of Solomon, or however you like to call
that thing.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Yeah, I believe from the top if you put a
if you stood a cube on its corner and looked
from the top, and it would make a hexagram, I
believe is the the.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
It's a it's an interesting shape. There's a lot of
power in the dynamic of that the structure of that shape.
So you've seen it's not really a surprise, right, No, And.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
You go back to alchemy, you know you talked about
some of the esoteric sciences. Is there was something that
the alchemist had called the prima materia, which was the
basic building block of all matter, and the way they
represented that in their Alcymol text was an illustration of
a black cube. So you know, it's it's interesting that
that arc type and you can go back into youngs

(56:34):
ten archetypes. You can go back into, you know, maybe
genetic memory of certain things that really resonate with us.
You know, a black cube and a place that's unfamiliar
is really going to make the heck of a heck
of an impression, you know, maybe even more so than
like a saucer shape. It's just really going to resonate
with people. And that might be a third dimensional shadow

(56:58):
of a multi dimensional entity, machine or essence, or it
might be something that's all of the above and none
of the above. It might be some other, some other
type of existence that we don't even understand yet that's
not machine organic. It could be something totally different. And
that's the way it represents itself when it's reduced down
into our dimension as a cube. That's a that's a theory,

(57:19):
but it seems to be the cube. You're right, the
cube is very important. It resonates with people, It horrifies people,
and it makes people question reality.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
So considering that you've written a chapter on this, and
this is something that you know you've seen, and then
you've understood the symbolism surrounding it, and it's one of
those things where you know, we we do a conspiracy show.
So the cube comes up constantly, and it is it
is sort of the gift that keeps on giving.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
It's not you.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Can't it's it's very difficult to boil it down into
a quick conversation like what does the cube represent?

Speaker 1 (57:56):
It's like kind of like a lot of stuff, man.
And so in that way, how do.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
You I mean, where are you in your in your
in your theorizing. I mean, I know you don't have
much to grab onto. It turns out that the cube
disappeared on you, Yeah, in the middle of the field there.
But you know you you strike me as a man
who's not just going to let that go to bed.
You're gonna you're going to try.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
To Yeah, how many how many times have you have
you guys seen this as.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah, and we saw the cube of course in February
of twenty seventeen, and then I'm looking at my notes
right here to do. In April eight, twenty eighteen, our
team was out there in the meadow and they were
following a set of tracks in the grass and it
was like, imagine tire tracks, okay, and just imagine I'm
not saying they were tire tracks. But imagine that where

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the grass is pressed down, but it was like something
was dropped into it, traveled a distance and then was
lifted out and then the grass was bent over. It
wasn't broken, and there were an hills in the track
lines that weren't compressed. So it's like linear crop circles.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
And say the crop circle. Have you have you read
the book? It can't be people by somebody named citizen.
There's a guy named Citizen D and we had him
on the show. He claims to be one of the
people that were doing crop circles in the UK. He
says eighty percent of the crop circles he knows who

(59:19):
actually man made. Some are unexplained. But the interesting part
is that the location, the design, and even the when
usually come down to like these external downloads that he
explained in a way. But like I think his grasp
on esotericism was a little bit like.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Yeah, it was kind of like he would just ez
he was inadvertently channeling, which who knows what he did
in his life or if something else was done in
his you know, by his parents or his grandparents, whatever
gave access to that sort of an ability. He's inadvertently
channeling this information and then he is inspired to get
up and mobilize and go and do this thing. Often
TSI will arrive and other individuals will be there already

(01:00:03):
working on the thing. They also got the same channel.
And even there's instances where after he was done with
the design he found he bumped into a local witch
coven who was thanked him, thanked him for doing the design. Yeah,
and said that they had actually been praying for this,
you know, this sort of a symbol to appear or
a message.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
But I guess the point is that it's just very
odd that something like that. So are you saying that
the cube, because it was floating above it, it just
bent the grass, but it didn't touch the act.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Well no, now, now let me finish. I just said
they found these track lines, and what was interesting about
it is if they stood inside of the track lines
and they looked west using their full spectrum camera which
also it basically translates infrared and ultra violet into a
visible spectrum that you can see on your camera, they
could see another cube. And this was in twenty eighteen.

(01:00:57):
They would step out of the track line, look through
their full spectrum no cue, step in the track line.
They could see the CUE and this was like a
smaller one. This was looking at my this like nine
feet by nine feet by nine feet, much smaller. So
they got real excited. So they went to hit record
on their full spectrum camera and they left the SD

(01:01:17):
card back at the camp so they didn't but I've
got their affidavits. So that was the second, you know,
second viewing of the CUE. But you mentioned something interesting
or downloads, which is as this phenomena is evolving, that's
something that we're encountering more of. And I think I
don't know if you remember in the documentary the download

(01:01:38):
of Knox.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Magbie the term Now I don't remember that one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yeah, that was in June of twenty twenty. We had
gone out and this is how the meadow evolves. You know,
what we experienced before is not what we're experiencing now.
It's constantly evolving and it throws you these weird curve
balls that come out of nowhere. And we had gone
to the meadow in June of twenty twenty, and that

(01:02:05):
was right in the middle of COVID, so the campsite
that we usually use was shut down about whatever entity
controls this swath of public land. I'm not going to
say which entity, but they had closed down the popular campsites.
So we found a dispersed campsite which was about three
miles away from the meadow in our usual campsite, so
we were staying there. So we decided we were going

(01:02:27):
to go to the meadow and we were going to
do a CE five session, which is you know there,
I'm not going to get into the trey.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Do you do you ever worry about this kind of
stuff like doing this, I would be freaked out. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I am protected by the blood of my Savior. I'm
not worried about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Man. I think my faith is just not strog because
we've been we've been confronted with like should we talk
to this person who's probably practicing witchcraft? Should we do
X Y Z thing? And I'm like, you know what, man,
I've like my house has been touched by a witchcraft
in some form of fashion. I'm like, I'm kind of good,
but I have I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Have that that that uh, that hair and me where
I keep wanting to go to these places I keep
wanting to And I'm not so really worried about hitchhikers
or anything like that because I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
I don't think I should be either. No, but I am,
which which should make me worried. Maybe maybe that's it. Yeah,
the reason. Well, okay, all right, so you stay out
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
So you're doing yeah, I mean, what whatever makes you comfortable.
But see five. So we you know, I can get
into the controversial and Stephen career and you know I'm
not going there. But the protocol does work, okay, I mean,
you know, it does seem to be successful. So we
went to the UH went to the meadow. We set
up a CE five protocol. We UH actually broadcasted some
uh some tones recorded in the middle of crop circles.

(01:03:43):
We UH. A lot of the people there with the
five session were remote viewers, so we tried to get
down into FADA and project our attention.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
You know what the the c the basis of the
CE five is is HEMI sync.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
It's it's binrmal beats. Uh, it's the series of the brain.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yeah. And well that's that's Robert Monroe stuff right there
from the Monroe Institute. Uh and uh. And if we
have time later, I can talk you about our experiments
in the field with the God.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Helmet dude, the tray. You are a wealth of information. Mad.
This is a I'm like stunned.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
I hope we don't put you off. I hope you
come back one day. Yes, dude, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
But uh So, anyway, we were doing the CE five
protocol and once again, nothing happened, and it's like, well, crap,
nothing happened. You know, we were just sitting out here
in the wood. Now, we enjoy each other's company, so
it was it was a good time. I mean, we
enjoyed the experience, but it wasn't what we had hoped for.
So we came back to camp and uh, while we
were out at uh out of the meadow is the

(01:04:41):
team member that was minding camp, that was our base
camp operator and radio net control guy, he had something
drive by camp, a vessel, a craft if you will.
It was completely blacked out. He turned off all the
lights in camp because it was kind of strange, but
he heard that the distinct sound of crunching gravel as

(01:05:02):
something traveled down the road adjacent to the campsite, but
it gave off no light at the exact same time
as this craft passed by base camp. Admitting no light,
his Geiger counter spiked up two point sixty six micro
sieverts per hour. Now that's not a dangerous amount of radiation,
but the baseline is about point and zero two micro

(01:05:24):
siverts per hour, so it's a significant empirical increase. So
we went back and did a hypnotic regression on that,
and what he remembered through hypnotic regression is he perceived
a jeep. Now, he says, normally he didn't see anything,
but under regression he remembers seeing a jeep. We think

(01:05:46):
that was a screen memory, he says. The jeep stopped
and these two figures got out that were all black.
They had all black heads, all black bodies, no features,
just black shadows that moved around, got back in the
jeep and departed. So that happened at base camp. So
once again, maybe our CE five protocol manifested itself in

(01:06:09):
a way we weren't expecting. The next morning, one of
my team members comes up to me. His name is Tony.
Tony is a has an engineering degree from the US
Air Force Academy. I worked in US Air Force Special
Operations for a while and is now a very respected
member of his highly technical career field. Goes all over
the world doing whatever it is he does. And I'm

(01:06:31):
not going to go into it because I don't want
to disclosed, you know, disclose his ID. But he comes
up to me and he says, Trey, he goes while
I was asleep, I had something really interesting, he said
about four thirty this morning. About four thirty, I woke
up and I had this term in my mind. And
the term is Knox magbi n O X n A
b e r M A g b e E magbi.

(01:06:54):
That's the phonetic spelling of the term that he, you know,
came up with. And then he popped up at six
point thirty and this term was still in his mind,
and he says, what does this mean? Does this have
any significances you're aware of? And I said, well, you know, Tony,
I don't, but I will look into it. So I
go to look into it, and it turns out that
Knox in x is the name of the Roman goddess

(01:07:18):
of the night, and Magb was a little bit more difficult.
I found magbi as a derivator of the word magma,
which is in the Old English poem Beowulf. Magma means
kindred or children. Now, if you remember, Old English was
spoken right after the Romans left Britain, so it's contemporaneous

(01:07:41):
that somebody who spoke Old English would also have at
least a nodding knowledge of the Roman gods and goddesses.
So the two terms you are contemporaneous, So you put
those together. Children of the night goddess. So what are
small like children that have big heads and big eyes

(01:08:02):
that sometimes come into people's rooms at night? M hm,
the grays. So the meadow threw us a curveball. That's
not how we were expecting our CE five session to end,
but it manifested in ways that we weren't expecting.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
That reminds me of of Nathan Gillis's work where he
refers to the entire thing as the phenomenon. Nathaniel, what
did I say, Nathan? Nathan, Yeah, Nathaniel Gillis. He say
as the phenomenon because it seems to have an adaptation
element where it will manifest in different way, shapes or forms.
And there's'sized Gary Wayne's work. Right, it's just like a

(01:08:40):
like I mean, we started the show talking about constant
rebranding of Oh yeah, it's this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
It's almost the same thing. It seems like what you
guys saw was a rebranding, like you're seeing shadow entities
of shadow people. Oh yes, well that is what we
were also told.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Was it Pastor Dave that said that when he was
using the C five app he found that the frequency
that it was using for its binormal beats portion was
the same frequency he organically discovered on his own to
be able to astro projecting things of that nature. But
he also found that what it would result in was

(01:09:15):
sleep paralysis, alien deduction phenomenon and poltergeist activity around his house.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
And with the sleep paralysis, you're likely to see these
shadow men.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
All interconnected, right, That's why Nathaniel Gillis just blanketly calls
it the phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Apparently, did you know that David was given himself sleep
paralysis in the same way he was using a very like.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
This is allegedly, but but there's a potential that my fan,
the hum of my fan was acting as a sort
of bineural beat and was locking me into sleep paralysis,
which is, you know who I was binural beat downing myself.
But Trey, here's a real concern, especially given what happened

(01:09:56):
to the two gentlemen that passed into the area where
the cube was I believe, right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
But since passed away.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
And you know, it's one thing to speculate as to
what happened to them, But the fact of the matter is,
whenever this phenomenon takes place. You talked about a Geiger counter,
there are commonly traces of radiation which kind of reeks
havoc on the human body. Is there no concern on
your behalfer or or your constituents that radiation could be

(01:10:29):
a real issue here?

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Well, you know, we were actually gonna we made like
loose plans to go out to uh, we were going
to go to moon Lake.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Moon Lake, which it was supposed to be I think
it's today.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Actually, Yeah, they were doing like a podcast or thing
or like supernatural podcasts, and we're like, oh, let's go
fly out there, and being in Utah also having high strangeness. Yeah,
and I heard that they canceled it because of high
levels of radiation within the area, unsafe levels of radiation.
They actually had to cancel the event.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Yeah. Yeah, what I'll say is our radiation, our Geiger
counters show very low levels of radiation. And we do
have a guy on our team that doesn't come out
as much. He's pretty busy, but he's a actually a
nuclear engineer. And you know, we've determined that the levels
that we're detecting is not dangerous with intermittent exposure. You know,

(01:11:19):
you know would really you'd really have to take a
lot of it for it really to be dangerous. Risk.
It's a calculated risk. It's not you know, a blind
you know, foray into danger. It's you know, it's a
calculated risk. And you know, you really have to sit
down and do like a risk analysis, you know, before
these things, because you know there is some risk and

(01:11:40):
there's some risk as esoteric as radiation and you know whatever,
you know, interdimensional risk and all that, but there's also
risk of falling down a hill, not hydrating, you know,
not having the proper equipment because most of our research
takes place in the wintertime, uh, you know, not having
rain gear, so you know you have to really.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Any specific reason.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Yeah, Uh. The reason we like it in the winter
is there are less people running around this area because
it's cold. People just don't like being out in the cold,
so they're not going to be out there camping. You're
not going to run into you know, Joe and his
five children camping leaves are off the trees, so we
have a much much broader field of view because of

(01:12:24):
the lack of vegetation. And then number three is the
ambient air temperature is so cold. Hopefully if we see
something on our thermals, there's enough of a discrepancy between
the temperature of the object that we're seeing in the
ambient air temperature. So it just makes it a little
bit easier for us to research, makes our equipment seems
to work a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
There seems to be a correlation between these areas of
high strangeness and two particular locations, one being military bases.
This comes up a lot, and you can kind of
understand why that might be the case, why there might
be a military establishment over an area with a you know,
a thin veil or something of that nature.

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
But the other correlation is national parks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Now you have the David Poliiti's Missing pool in one
series and right now there's something really strange and anomalists happening,
which there are conventional explanations for. There are you know,
workers in the National parks holding the or flying the
flag upside down as a symbol of distress, and that's
explained away as basically unsafe working conditions and understaffed and so,

(01:13:29):
and that's how it's been explained for the most part.
And then you have something strange going on at the
same time in Canada in their forests, where because of
the wildfires, which really have been a serious issue over
these past few years, they just find a gentleman twenty
eight thousand dollars for stepping down in the forest.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
There's a no go. Not just the gentleman, but a
guy that has like a kind of storied career within
the military, all kinds of military aspects of the Canadian government.
So I'm just like fascinating character to do that too.
I just said it. I see it, and I go, okay,
file that away, right that down. Yeah, but I'm still
I'm watching you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
So, but those of us within this community, I can't
help but speculate, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, that maybe
these things are connected in some way. The missing for
one one, the not going in the forest, all the
high streengers with the national parks. Do you think that
there's any correlation, really meaningful correlation. And I don't know
if you've come across it in your research between these

(01:14:25):
areas of a thin veil and national parks and why
that might be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Yes, and if I got a deal for you. June
of twenty twenty, Okay, we had decided to decided to
go back out to Yeah, hold on, let me look,
I'm sorry. Yeah, January of twenty twenty. January of twenty twenty,
we had decided to go back out and do an expedition. Now,

(01:14:52):
this expedition, we didn't have a whole lot of people,
you know, it was a very We didn't have a
lot of you know, I'm retired, but a lot of
the team members, you know, they work. So myself and
one of my research partners, Kristin Payton, Uh, she and
I decided we were going to go go out during
the day and do a survey for baselines. And we

(01:15:14):
were going to go to the different areas where we
had had high strangeness where we had the original cube,
then in the west end of the meadow where we
had the cube that were you know, down the two tracks,
another place where we had some high strangeness, and we're
going to take baselines of electromagnetic field using a trifield.
You're going to do, had a Geiger counter, take radiation

(01:15:35):
and just kind of check out the area see if
there's anything different, because it's always important to have baselines
because then you know what the the uh you know,
your sigma is, what the strangeness is. So we're going
around and we're doing our baselines, and you know, I
have a pad, and I have my Geiger counter and
my compass and all my stuff. And we decided we

(01:15:55):
were going to cross a creek it's actually a small
river or a very large creek to go to the
north side of the meadow. So we go over there,
you know, we take our boots off, string them around
our necks, roll our pants up, and we wade out there.
I wade out onto the shore and I step out
and there's another big field and I'm like, wow, this

(01:16:19):
is really cool. There's like this big, huge open area
over here. I didn't think that this would even exist
because of a ridge that was going to block it.
But we can do concurrent research on both sides of
this small river, you know, and see what happens. So
I was really excited about it, you know. And give
you a little bit about my background, Like I said,
I was a former Army intel officer. I've hunted big

(01:16:41):
game in North America and Africa. I'm an eagle scout.
I've earned the Scoutings fifty mile a foot of Float
award three times. I'm pretty comfortable in the outdoors, you know.
I'm you know, I'm really comfortable in it. I'm not
tooting my own horn, but just that gives you a
little bit of my background. So I'm really excited about it.
And I yelled at Kristen across the creek. I said, hey,

(01:17:02):
you need to come over here. This is like really
really cool. It's like another big area. And she goes,
what are you talking about? I said, now, this is cool.
We can like run concurrent you know, research studies, you know,
on both sides of the creek or the river. She goes,
don't move, I'm coming over there to you. So she
comes over there to me and she says, Trey, what

(01:17:24):
are you talking about? I said, look at this. This
in this cool. This is like a new research area.
She goes, Trey, you're back in the meadow. I'm like, no,
I'm not. She goes, yes, you are a look around.
I said, no, this isn't the same place, and this
is where it gets a little weird. Yeah, that's that's

(01:17:44):
a loaded statement.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
When she's when where it gets weird? When she starts
explaining to me that it is the original meadow, probably
a place I've been to fifty times. It's like the
environment changed, It's like it went back to what it was,
and then you can get into the dual realities existing
in the same time in quantum states. On a macro scale,

(01:18:08):
you can get into that, which I think is probably
what happened with the original cube. And I was so
disoriented that she wanted to call our QRF, get our
chief medic. Now she's a trauma nerd, but that she
wanted to get our chief medic to come out there
and get me. And I said, okay, guys, I'm making
a command decision as the head of ASOG. Leave me

(01:18:31):
the f alone for ten minutes. Just leave me alone,
Let me get my feet back on the ground, and
then we'll head back to base camp. I'm gonna drink
some water, just because I had to get my head straight.
At that same moment, we were logging the radiation readings
with our geiger Kinder. Like I said, we were recording

(01:18:52):
baselines at that moment when I was so disoriented, we
had a radiation spike a point three to three micro
sievers per hour. So I always wonder if I hadn't
had our protocols in place, would you are a you
never go out alone, be you always have radio communications
and see you always have navigation gear that you can
get back your compass map GPS without compass, I did

(01:19:18):
I did have a compass. No, I didn't even think that. No,
I didn't because I was just I was so discombobulated. Yeah,
And uh so if I hadn't had those protocols in place,
could I have ended up as one of the chapters
in David Palati's books, you know, is that what is
actually going on?

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Well, there's there's some really uh famous cases in David
Pilati's research that stand out to me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
One of them, in particular, was a.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Child untrackably appearing on the other side of a mountain
range that they would have never had the ability to
traverse given the age of the child. And you know,
according to people that were local in the area, or
there was a gentleman that spent quite you know, an
amount of time in the worl It's said that adult
men would have trouble traversing this mountain range and getting
to the other side of it, an impossible task for

(01:20:07):
a child. And yet well somehow this kid is found
on the other side of the range.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
When you trade when you walked into this thing, you
said you walked into a creek. Yeah, like as across
across water, running water.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Right, and basically I crossed it and ended up right
back where I started.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
That's man, I almost guarantee you if you looked at
the compass, it was probably just spinning right where you're
That's that's an interesting concept, right, like you you cross
the running water, which is uh, there's something about right
and biblically something about running water the power of of
whatever that is.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Well, it's a frequency thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
I was looking it up and researching at the reason
why if frequency can travel more easily in water.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
I mean obviously water's huge.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Yeah, when we would dive, we would bang on our tanks,
you know, with our knives to get other divers attention.
Called the travels sound travels so far under water. It's
a very dense medium.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
But you know, as they say, and also the conducting
aspect of it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
I think is huge. But you know, as they say
in the commercials for you know, uh, you know, mops
and you know all kinds of things. But wait, there's more, Yeah,
there's more.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Where is the more question? So? Yeah, okay, right, you
cross you cross this uh this stream, and you are
looking at what appears to be another meadows field similar, Well, like,
what would have happened? Do you do you think it either?
Do you think it turned just turned you around? Like
when when the lady came to approach you, was she
coming from a spot that you came from already?

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Yeah? She was coming from about the same spot. Yeah,
I mean and that you know that Ocum's razor. That's
what happened, you know, I got turned around that somehow
I walked straight and I walked right back out of
the place, like somehow I turned myself one hundred and
eighty degrees and didn't realize it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
The question I have for you is do you if
you would have continued walking further, do you think you
would have went back to where you came from or
do you think you would have, like you said, traverse
into nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
I don't know, I really don't know. I think that
the disorientation probably would have been severe. I might have
wandered off and never been found, you know, if I
hadn't had somebody with me. And maybe that's what happens
to people, you know, when they go missing in these areas,
is they they you know, it's like the case, the
famous case of the guy that went missing in mesa Verde,

(01:22:35):
you know in Colorado. Is he went up a very
popular I've been to mesa Verde, you know, it's the
trails are really well marked, and he never made it back.
They found his body years later in December of excuse me,
July of twenty twenty, we had just had one of
our team members die, one of the guys that went

(01:22:55):
into the cube, and we had an outing planned and
we decided to go on and do it anyway in
memory of him, because we weren't going to be able
to have a funeral or attend a funeral because of COVID.
So we we went there. You know, there was tears shed, toastmade,

(01:23:18):
good times and bad times, you know, remembering mister Tim Jilarden.
But we also decided we were going to try to
get some research out of it. So myself, Bob Wilson,
and Kristin Payton decided we would go out to the meadow,
and you remember the disorientation happened in January twenty twenty.

(01:23:38):
This is in July twenty twenty, so this is you know,
seven months later. So we go back out to the meadow,
and of course it's overgrown now it's here, it's more
vegetation since it's July. And we go to the place
where I stepped out of the creek and you look
across the creek. In the in the middle of it
is a small island and I'm talking, you know, maybe

(01:24:01):
twenty inches wide, twenty four inches wide, you're about maybe
twelve feet it's you know, just like a very small
island in the creek or the small river. In the
middle of that island, there's a sapling and the sapling
is probably twelve feet high, and the top of that
sapling has been formed into a perfect oval, like the

(01:24:23):
top of an ok almost fastened, you know, right in
the place where I think I lost my bearings and orientation. Now,
why is that significant? Number? One is it's on a
small little island and a creek. You can't take a
ladder out there. There's really nowhere to put a ladder.

(01:24:44):
It's a one and a half inch sapling. It wouldn't
support a ladder. You couldn't bend it down without breaking it.
So how did the top get formed into a perfect
oval exactly like the top of an Egyptian Ok? Now
you go back and you look at that symbol symbolism
of that. A lot of people call that symbol, that
oval symbol, keyway symbol, the galactic keyway, and you see

(01:25:07):
that a lot in places that are associated with portals, doorways,
a mechanism to enter into another reality. That's forty yards
from where we saw the cube.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Yeah, and that's where you turned around at the door.
Huh you kind of walked right up to it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Let me ask you this tray you said before that
you know, it'll keep throwing you kind of curveballs. The
meadow throws you curveballs. Is there any part of you
there seems to.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Be like that government misinformation disinformation campaign?

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
No, No, not so much that it's like, you know,
it's reasonable to it to assume, given the strangeness of it,
that there is an intelligence going on here.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Is there any part of you that wonder? Is it
giving you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
Little things that you can handle along your journey? Because
it couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
The way you described it before is like being a
child showing up to a construction site and pretty much
agitating the construction workers.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Are you saying, like, is it a is it interested
in teaching? Is that what you're asking it? Kind of?

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Yeah, where it's like it'll give you a thing and
it'll throw you a curveball.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
And it's like chew on that for a while, and
then you choot on it and you've done the research,
you come back it throws you something else.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Yeah, the the phenomena is now becoming more intimate, you know,
like it we've now got people physically being touched.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
You know, we've got you know, we've got many the
woman pulled off.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
The bed, right, Yeah, Well that was more that's that's
more akin to like an abduction phenomena. That's a whole
other you know, I've got the whole transcript of that
hypnotic aggression in my second book. But yeah, that's that's
more like you know, alien abduction stuff. So it's like, okay, now,
how does that tie into what we're doing. You know,
she's having this phenomenon now at home, and it's like

(01:27:07):
it's becoming more intimate. It's like it's developed this NHI
has developed a rapport with us. You know, now we're
getting some people having like precognitive thoughts. You know. We
had a really weird case back in I'm looking at

(01:27:27):
my notes here, let's see this was actually in it
was it October of twenty twenty two? Yeah, sometimes, but
oh no, I'm sorry. May of twenty twenty three, we
had a new team member and she had been taken

(01:27:47):
out to the top of that ridge with one of
my senior researchers and she kept feeling that she was
being watched. She said, I feel like something is creeping
around watching us. I got them and she said, I'm
just not comfortable. Now, this was her first time out there.
We actually brought a psychotherapist and hypnotic therapist hypnotherapist onto

(01:28:11):
our team, onto our staff, and that was her husband,
and she said, hey, can we go back with the
other groups. I'm just not comfortable. And it's like, sure,
you know, we don't want anyone to be uncomfortable. That's
not what we do. So as they were moving across
the top of the ridge, those of us down below
could see an ORB tracking them just out of their sight.
You know. And so she gets back and she explains,

(01:28:34):
you know that she saw this or felt like something
was low and slinking along the ground, and you know,
it was really uncomfortable. Turned the page. The next night,
we go out and we have like twelve people surrounding
the meadow with all of our equipment. And during the
debrief back at base camp, one of my thermal operators
said that he detected a creature moving across the meadow

(01:28:58):
and he jumped in his normalcy bias and he said, oh, well,
it must have been a bear or maybe a hog
or something, because we were talking about, you know, some
of the feral creatures you're out here. I said, so
you captured it, right, you recorded? And he goes, no,
I thought it was just like a bear or a
feral hog. And I said, Lee, what kind of animal

(01:29:19):
is going to move through an open space surrounded by
twelve people. You know, somebody's going to be up wind
of this thing. And he stopped and he said, oh oh,
And I said, do you remember what happened? If you
ever read the book Hunt for the Skinwalker. They had
a doorway or a portal and something crawled out of it.

(01:29:41):
And I said, and do you remember what Christy said
last night the night before about something slinking along the ground.
That was precognition.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
You know, it's also strange, like that's that's a strange occurrence.
But like a my aunt who saw a UFO in Brooklyn,
New York. She sees the thing and I want to
have her on just to discuss it. But the strangest
part is after they see this and it's a huge one,
like a mothership shoots off, they go back and they
watch Jeopardy like, yeah, yeah, it's like a normalcy thing,

(01:30:15):
and it's almost implied on them or imparted on them.
Yeah that that Yeah, that's fine, And then they go on,
they go to sleep, and then the next day. It's
only the next day that they remember because now there's
articles about it and people are speaking. It's like, yeah,
something slinking along the ground. The guy goes whatever. It's
only in hindsight that people go back and they go like,
that's not a rational way to behave that's not yet

(01:30:36):
what I just did there was not I mean, that's
not even what he's supposed to be doing. You're there investigating,
so everything should be suspicious. But that's crazy, huh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
But don't fear. In November, when Tony and his team
were out there, we caught it on video, the same
thing on thermal and it was a huge slinking creature
right there where the box was the cube back in
twenty seventeen. So I reached out to some people and
like I said, Moufon is helping me with some stuff.

(01:31:07):
Also Stephen Leah, who is the founder and president of
a Quantum Worlds or Quantum World's quantum Analysis and you've
probably seen him on Skinwalker Ranch and some of the
other shows. He takes the images and they start doing
quantum analysis, and the quantum analysis of that particular footage

(01:31:28):
shows that there are faces surrounding that, and then the
independent quantum analysis by Moufon shows I'm sorry, Stephen Stephen's analysis.
He sent an email to me and he says, hey,
why would I see a linear structure to the right

(01:31:48):
of this slinking creature. It's like there's almost like a
vertical line there, like a box. And I said, that's
because that's where the cube was in twenty seventeen, and
the quantum and this shows that that cube was still there.
So I have to wonder was the cube existing in
November of twenty twenty four, and did something come out

(01:32:11):
of it? And that was what you know, Tony and
I picked up on our thermals.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
The crazy questions. What you're asking is not did the
cube exist? But when did the cube exist? Or is
it still currently there?

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
But that's it, you know, does it exist, you know
pretty much concurrently with our investigations, but it's just out
of our realm of a you know, perception. And what
the quantum analysis does is the theory is that you
know when you take a photograph or a video that
there are quantum layers. You know, you can go back
to the first netrinos at the creation of the universe,

(01:32:44):
that you know, all data is exist. If you go
and look in the Bible, I am the alpha, I
am the omega, which tends tends to make us believe
that all time exists now in another realm, in another dimension.
So what happens is when you take a photograph, if
you have that quantum entanglement of all of reality in

(01:33:05):
that photograph, and you can extrapolate that data and show
you some things that were hidden to the naked eye.
And one of the things that were hey, the numerous
faces around and then this boxer cube. So it shows
that we are not alone. There are always these entities
around us. Yeah, existing in another dimension.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Well they exist. I'm sorry I got now because now
the idea is on my brain here. But so obviously
we're dealing with time in a strange linear fashion here
on Earth where it's like start middle right, and they're
not this this no mention. Yeah, they're they're dealing with
it very much like straight on this way. Have you
had any remote viewers? And I don't know. I know

(01:33:49):
a little bit about remote viewing, and I know that
they can kind of They say that they can go
and look at different time periods if they have the coordinates.
And I don't know what this means, but have you
had them look at the coordinates in the past, specific
time periods where that spot is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
I have not.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
I need to I need to reach out.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
And that's an interesting movie because I feel like you've
like you've located the where, but you haven't located the when.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
You guys are seeing it intermittently during you know, in
a span of over seven years or twenty seventeen to
twenty sixteen, there's some sighting of it twenty twenty four.
So it appears and then it doesn't, and who knows
when it's visible, but something was there, yeah, will be that. Wow,
what a crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
It also seems like you're dealing with things of varying nature.
So there's this element that wants to be maybe discovered
it and it gives you certain things to interact with
and certain things to chew on. But then there's this
other element, the pulling of the leg while you're sleeping,
the knocked right, this this idea of like a a

(01:34:53):
of a night goddess and these these grays.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
There definitely seems to be there's a third element, the
third element. The third element is just the doorway. The
anc of what this thing is.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Yeah, it is a it's letting in things of varying
nature because it's it's it's it's a door.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
My doorway doesn't give a damn who comes through it.
It's just facilitating the entry, you know. Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
And I just realized I have a actually I think
I have a photograph of the the ankh thing, the sapling,
So you can keep on talking while I'm looking.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but uh, what I mean by by
that is like whatever you're it's almost like you're you're
in a little bit of a tug of war, right,
So you're going to this area, you're interacting, and there
are things that probably don't have your best interest, but
then are there are other things that seem to have
a vested interest in being discovered, right, Like a slinking
creature doesn't seek to be discovered. But then you know

(01:35:46):
other things that are leaving little clues behind or or
or you know, facilitating travel or or whatever the case
may be.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
It feels like there's an element of negativity, which is obvious,
but then there's an element of things that want to teach.
It's an element of act. This is just activity.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
Like you've been in the Middle East and I've read
a bunch of Scott Horton's books about what happened there,
Like you know what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq, and
there's so many different factions, yeah, going out like from
before the Iraq War before you know Afghanistan and our
influence in there. It's like to understand what was happening,
we can just point and say terrorists, or we can
point and say ghosts or aliens, but really there's a

(01:36:27):
lot going on, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Yeah, yeah, there's a you know, my opinion is there's
a whole other reality. You know, and if you are
you familiar with the thought experiment of Plato's cave, it
was a thought experiment done by the it's it's Plato's cave.
Is you know where the where the prisoners tied up
to the rock. We can't even look down and see
the true dimension of ourselves. We think we're true dimensional
beings like the shadows we see on the cave wall.

(01:36:51):
Only when we, you know, become aware, you know, we
we have a trans personal experience. Do we look and say, whoa,
we're three dimensions creatures? It take that even further. Is
that squishy thing inside of your skull that we call
a brain is actually a multi dimensional organ It part
of it exists in another dimension. There's been some science

(01:37:13):
that shows that there are actual quantum interactions inside of
your brain, and that's how the brains work so fast.
You can retrieve information so quick. It's actually communicating on
a quantum scale. That the actual entanglement that defies time
and space. So we are multi dimensional being. We're just
trapped in our limited understanding of our true natures. But

(01:37:35):
before I forget it, I'm gonna show you the picture
of that that sapling I see.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
One. Can we make him full screen right there? Oh yeah,
look at that. Huh that's that is? Things don't grow
that way?

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Yeah, that way.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
That's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
And so yeah, what do you say?

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
Yeah, I mean there's nothing to say. You just keep
going back and you keep What's interesting too, is you
said that that was evident when you came back, when
the foliage was like growing a little bit more, right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
So it's like this speaks to that idea of well,
maybe this is not accessible during certain time frames, or
maybe it's only slightly accessible, right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
Or maybe it's a subtle clue. Maybe it's a kind
of like a subtle nudge, nudge, wink wink. Yeah, you know,
we know what you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Well that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
Yeah, that's why I feel like there's a there's an
aspect of something trying to teach you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
Do you think do you think that we're supposed to?

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
Do you think that God wants us to look into
these things?

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
That's a great question, fair, fair question.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Okay. During the first part of Genesis, you had the garden,
and we didn't have to think about where our next
meal was coming from. And I'm not talking about us here,
but mankind, Adam and Eve. They didn't have to think
about their next meal. They didn't have to wonder, am
I going to freeze tonight because the temperature going to drop?

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Am I going to be attacked by an animal? They
didn't have to worry about that stuff. And then they
ate fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good
and evil, i e. The Tree of Knowledge. Now they
know these things. Holy smoke, there are things out there
that will kill us. It does get it can't possibly
get cold, and us freeze to death. Where's our next

(01:39:25):
meal coming from? I'm starting to worry about this, And
that drove them away from total faith and obedience to God.
And that's of course in the Book of Genesis. So
they're discarded from the garden. The flaming swords are put
up across the garden. Man may never enter the garden again.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
The ankh. They can't go back to the Ankh.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
And so now man has to live by his wits.
I have to figure out how to build shelter. I'm
nicked it's going to get cold. If it's summer, okay,
neckd's fine, But in the wintertime it's going to be
a bit of a problem. Now I have to actually
kill bill animals to wear their skins, almost becoming the animal,

(01:40:07):
draping myself in the skin of the animals, becoming animalistic. Okay,
there's symbolism there. So man has to live by his wits,
man has to live by his intelligence. Man has to
squeeze data out of the environment in order to survive.
So the combat is God has given us this amazing

(01:40:28):
mind that's perpetually inquisitive, the tree of knowledge, the tree
of inquisitiveness. Now we have to wonder that's our nature.
That's not a bad thing. That's a God given thing.
Now it came about in a negative way, but that's
who we are. And just because something is different, unusual,

(01:40:54):
or unheard of, doesn't mean it's evil. Before the discovery
of radio naturally occurring radio waves from quasars, that doesn't
mean they didn't exist. And when they were discovered, that
doesn't mean they were evil. They were just something different
that we haven't discovered yet. And it's kind of like
if I was wandering around in the forest and I

(01:41:17):
came across something unusual, and that's something unusual is a
cabin out in the middle of nowhere. And I'm like, oh, wow,
there's a cabin out here. And I go and I
knock on the door and I say hello, is anybody
there in the cabin? And I hear a voice from
the other side of the door say yes, I'm here. Hey,
you know, I'm out here by myself. Would you like
to talk in the voice inside of the cabin and

(01:41:38):
says well, I'm not comfortable coming out, but we can
talk through the door. I wouldn't hesitate for one second
holding a conversation like that. For whatever reason, that person
doesn't want to come out, but maybe, you know, they
just want to talk about stuff, So why would this
be any different.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Yeah, it's a I mean, you know, I'm not trying
to be uh yeah, I'm not trying to like put
down what you're doing because.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
No, no, no, no, I didn't. I didn't get that
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
Okay, guess what we do on this show is it's
a consistent scraping at this information that's presented, and there
is something more and we need to know. But then
I often think to myself as like well, damn, how
much do I really need to know?

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Well, this is the the analogy that I always go with,
is or I don't know if it's so much of
an analogy, but it's like this realm is filled with
unbelievable beauty and mysteries and and uh wonder. Yeah, and
it's like we're not meant to not observe that. Yeah,
it's the problem is when you think that you can
put your hands on the controls and bend it to

(01:42:41):
your advantage, which is like, you know, a story as
old as time, right, I mean King Solomon using demonic
entities to build as temple is one that we often
use as an example. It's like you, once you think
that you can master a thing and bend it to
your will, it is powerful, and it's absolute power corrupts absolutely.
But but I mean, we live in an amazing place,

(01:43:02):
and to admire that and to be fascinated by it,
I don't think at all, is is I don't think
that there's anything wrong with that, Trey. You know, I
want to respect your time when we're coming up on
the two hour mark, but I want to say, where
are you right now in the development of this Are
you just you know, you're you're you're taking in data,

(01:43:24):
you're analyzing it, You're you're trying to put together the
piece of this puzzle, and you're continuing to go back.
How long do you anticipate returning to this place? How
long is your team committed to doing things like this
is the contract?

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
You're not well at all? Yeah? No, I'm not retired. Uh,
you know, I plan on going back as long as
I can. And you know my you know, my goal
is to continue to research this amazing place, okay, and
and in researching it, my my basic desire has always

(01:43:55):
been to share the information. I The only thing that
I keep, you know, close to my vest is the location.
I invite guest researchers. I can give you some names
of people that you would recognize that have come out
as guest researchers. That's why I was very open with
Tony and his team. I said, guys, this is your project.

(01:44:16):
We will facilitate your visit out here this week. So
tell me what you want to do, because this is
your experience, not mine, and share that experience you good
or bad, share it. So you know, that's kind of
my goal is to continue to put this information out there,
you know, by whatever means possible. You know, I write books.
You know, We've got a documentary out, you know, if

(01:44:37):
something else comes along the line. That was one of
the things when I made the contract with Ward and
Dark Collar, I said, you do not have exclusivity to this.
Is if somebody comes along and wants to make a
TV episode, show, episode out of this, I want the
ability to do that because I want to share this
with the world as broad as possible. So that's kind

(01:44:58):
of my goal. And it keeps me off the streets,
you know, keeps me out of the juke joints and
and all of that. So yeah, you know, I'm just
going to continue as long as you know, God gives
me the health and the wisdom, you know, and the
desire to go out there and explore these mysteries. I'm
that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Is is there any subterranean access? That's it, I got
I got two more questions for you, But yeah, subterranean
this is a big one.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Yeah no, no, uh not that I know. We haven't
found anything. Now, this this this area you know, does
have caves. It's it's you know, it's part of that
whole cave system in the Southern United States, but not directly,
not that I've found. That doesn't mean it's not out there,
and I haven't stumbled across it yet, but no, not
that I know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
Okay, yeah, we've been big fans of a cave activity,
and especially specifically in Indiana. Uh. One question, just speculation,
What if if if this gets presented to the world,
it goes viral and people start seeing this, what do
you expect to see with this area, not not as
far as like people going to it, but like activity

(01:46:02):
on it. Do you expect to see an uptick or
do you think that things will like die down or
being the same.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
That's a good question. A couple of ways to look
at that. You know, I always really limit access to
the area. I don't want to wear it out. I mean,
that's kind of a weird concept. But you know, something
I found is if you keep going to an area like,
you know, all the time, you can really diminish the results.
So you know, we might go six months, you know

(01:46:30):
before we go back out there and let it rest,
you know, let it return to me. Yeah, yeah, that's me. Well,
and if that thing goes viral, I always wonder if
more people talking about it and thinking about it are
going to create a psychic distalt that will energize you know,
the activity now that I don't know, that's that's an
interesting thought experiment, you know, whether it wouldn't. But you know,

(01:46:52):
more people talking about it, more people thinking about it,
more people wondering about it. Is that Is that going
to create it its own you know manifestation? You know?
Is that going to change the quantum nature of the
place And we're going to start having all kinds of phenomena.
I don't know, it's going to be kind of fun
to find out.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
Have have you found it all that the phenomenon responds
more to other individuals than than than not? And if so,
have you found a common thread between those individuals like
our age blood lines?

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Yeah, no, we haven't gone the r age blood lines.
I mean, I'm a positive so I'm you know, I'm
pretty boring, but uh, you know, it's what we found
is some people you know, seem to you know, make stuff,
you know, more active. But something we've tried to do
and uh is we've actually started using a god helmet

(01:47:43):
you know, out there where we use electromagnetic stimulation and
the forty hertz range to the UH by hemispherical electromagnetic
stimulation to create by hemispherical cooperation, much like you know
Rock the Monroe Institute. And then we focus over on
the left amygdala, which is the part of the brain
that is responsible for religious experiences, you know, transformative experiences,

(01:48:06):
things like that, and we start pumping that with the
forty hertz of electromagnetic fields. And what we have found
is that may prime the pump that take one or
two people, have them go through this this God helmet
session primes the pump and makes the whole experience, the

(01:48:28):
holistic thing, more receptive to phenomena. So we've been experimenting
with that too.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
Sorry, we should, we should. We're gonna end in a second.
But psychedelics, heart psychedelics, Yes, off the table, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Okay, okay, I will kind of think how I can
diplomatically say this. Yeah, yeah, years is years and years
and years. I possessed a top secret slash blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah clearance. So there is no
that I was and I had frequent drug drug test,

(01:49:04):
I was subject to random polygraph you know, all that
spook stuff. So that was off the table. Okay, so
turn the page. The other side of that is I've
been doing a lot of research with you know, going
all the way back to like Albert and Lily and
those guys and bring it all the way up to
the twenty first century. I do think there is value

(01:49:29):
in cybocillin, d MT, you know, some of these others
because I do think that it increases a person's awareness
of the multi dimensional aspect of their true being. I
think there are answers there. Like anything, you know, one
has to put a very strong warning there is a
person has to be in the right place spiritually, psychologically,

(01:49:54):
and physically before they ever go down that road. But yeah,
I do think that's an area, not only because of
this kind of research, but I think from mental health,
I think cybocillin has done some amazing uh benefits for
people like with uh, you know, manic depressive OCD things
like that, you know, maybe even psychosis things like that. Yeah, Yeah,

(01:50:14):
I think it's it's worth studying.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
Something we talk about. But I tell people all the time, like,
don't do it, because I don't know where you are
in life geographically all that stuff. I'm like, I'm not
going to be the guy that sends you off the
deep end. But there's something there, Yeah, there is.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
Yeah. I mean I've had people on the team that
have done alahuasca. You know, they talk about what a
transformative experience it is.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
What I was asking is like locally the meadow is
what you're saying. Yeah, I mean there are ayahuasca retreats
where I know a couple of friends and they go,
they do it. They say, so a jaguar lady. Other
people say that was common. She's always here because they're
in that locality when we're talking about principalities, unions, things
like that. Yeah, I just wonder like in that place
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
No, we've never know, Yeah, we've never done or nobody's
ever done you know that kind of stuff right there.
It's always been somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
Okay, final question, Trey.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
This is something that we like to ask our guests
on the way out, and I have a feeling I
know the answer. Just given the fact that you could
easily just not be doing this, you could be retired.
But are you are you having fun?

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
Yeah? You know, I'm I'm the kid that grew up
in the seventies watching you know, Leonard Nimoy in search
of I remember seeing the documentary Sasquatch a Legend of
Bigfoot in nineteen, I think seventy six, So you know,
I'm kind of like this maladaptive sponge. I've always just
really been interested in this stuff. And you know, if
we're not thinking, if we're not moving, if we're not

(01:51:45):
exercising our curiosity, then we're not human. And I plan
on being as human as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:51:52):
I love that answer. It's a great conversation, Trey.

Speaker 3 (01:51:56):
I hope you'll come back if there's any developments on
the Meadow, if there's anything else you'd like to share
with the audience.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
This has been great. One more time.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
What's what's the name of your book? Where can everybody
find it? And what can they expect the next one?

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Okay, well, the first book is The Meadow Project, Explorations
in the Skins South South Skinwalker Ranch. That's actually on Amazon.
And the second book, which is Return to the Meadow,
that's out now. You can buy that. That's further Adventures
at the South Skinwalker Ranch. And uh so they're out there.

(01:52:30):
I humbly ask people you buy the books because we're
self funded, you know, I mean, I have pieces of
equipment that are like four and five thousand dollars that
I've funded out of pocket. So yeah, you know, high
end thermals are not cheap. So you know, that's the
way we continue this research. And I promise people as
we continue the research, I will share it. So uh

(01:52:53):
buy the books. Uh, I think, uh, you know, six
six bucks for the audiobooks a heck of a deal.

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
Uh so or not to book man, Yeah, yeah, might
fail us.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Go for the gusto. I mean I like, I like
physical media. Anyway, when the movie comes out, I don't
know about the distribution. I think we're going to check
into that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
I think probably before this gets up put out there,
maybe we'll have some answers on distribution of that. I
watch the documentary. I mean it's it's it's enjoyable, it's interesting.
Uh and I'm not going to give the ending away.
But it throws a curveball. I mean it throws a
weird curveball that the team was not expecting.

Speaker 1 (01:53:34):
So you know what, maybe after this is over, I
got to ask you about it because we were like,
what the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
Well, also for the audience who's listening, check the description.
Because of the time of this recording. We didn't have
access to it, but by the time this is released
we should have it. So check the description below.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
You'll find the link for the description I mean for
the documentary.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
Yeah, so you know, just uh what I.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Tell people is, you know, go out there, love your friends,
love your family, love God, and have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
That's it. I love it, I love it and perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
Hey, guys, this has been a great episode of Nephelin
Desk Squad. Until next time, don't forget to obey, submit,
and comply. We'll see you guys later. Plaster is a
oblos pose in the corner of the rooms. It is
constantly selling that's what is real. He would have

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
Persuade what they've seen with their eyes is what there
is to see, because his face of an exposition trusts,
and they have

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